REBECCA LAMB WEISS: SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME,
SO I'M GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO IT.
I HAVE KAT CHATFIELD HERE, GUYS.
I'M SO EXCITED.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIS BOOK,THE POWER TO PROSPER .
NOW, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, TELL US WHY YOU DIDN'T WRITE THIS BOOK
AND WHY YOU WROTE THIS BOOK.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINGUISHER HERE.
KAT CHATFIELD: YEAH, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINGUISHER.
THE FIRST CHAPTER OF THE BOOK LITERALLY SAYS
THE BOOK I DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE.
AND SO FOR A GUY WHO'S IN MINISTRY
AND ALSO AS A GUY, REBECCA, WHO I TALK ABOUT,
I'M NOT AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING.
I'M NOT AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT CULTURE.
I'M NOT AFRAID TO STICK MY NOSE IN THE FIGHT OF, YOU KNOW,
GOD'S DESIGN FOR SEXUALITY, ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT THE TOPIC OF PROSPERITY WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT
PUT ON MY SPIRIT TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT IT,
I WAS LIKE, NO, ANYTHING BUT THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW ALL OF THE STIGMA AND THE CONNOTATIONS
AND THE LABELS THAT COME WITH THAT WORD,
PROSPERITY, AND THE REASON WHY I KNOW THAT GOD
TOLD ME TO WRITE THIS BOOK WAS BECAUSE MY INABILITY
TO BELIEVE THAT GOD WAS A PROSPERER KEPT ME FROM
ACTUALLY PURSUING GOD'S CALLING ON MY LIFE.
I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS, AND THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION
FOR THE AUDIENCE, TOO.
IF MONEY WEREN'T AN ISSUE, LIKE IF YOU HAD ALL THE MONEY
YOU NEEDED IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT,
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT EVER AGAIN,
WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR GOD?
REBECCA: POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.
KAT: YEAH, BUT HERE'S THE THING IS, A LOT OF PEOPLE
HAVE GREAT IDEAS AND GREAT, YOU KNOW,
HAVE SERIOUS CONVICTIONS ABOUT WHAT GOD'S CREATED THEM TO DO.
BUT THEY LIVE THIS LIFE OF IF ONLY IF,
IF ONLY I COULD AFFORD THAT.
OR MAYBE, ONE DAY I WILL.
OR MAYBE, AND THAT DAY NEVER COMES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO LIVE, IN THE CULTURE,
THEY SAY NPC, LIKE NON-PLAYABLE CHARACTER.
IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE ALL THESE NPC CHRISTIANS
THAT AREN'T ACTUALLY LIVING OUT GOD'S CALLING FOR THEIR LIVES.
FOR MANY OF THEM, IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE
THAT GOD IS ACTUALLY A GOOD MASTER,
AND THAT IF THEY WENT ALL IN ON WHAT GOD ACTUALLY TOLD THEM
TO DO, THAT GOD WOULD MAKE SURE, JUST LIKE JESUS PROMISED,
THAT IF YOU SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS,
ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL BE ADDED UNTO YOU.
SO THAT'S THE HEART OF THE BOOK.
THE HEART OF THE BOOK IS NOT A LET ME JUST, YOU KNOW,
FLEX MY LIFESTYLE AND LET ME USE GOD AS A GENIE.
IT'S NOT THE HEART.
THE HEART OF IT IS ACTUALLY, HOW DO I GET
FULLY ALIGNED WITH GOD'S ECONOMY?
SO I DON'T, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON
WITH THE WORLD OR THE ANTICHRIST AGENDA.
DOESN'T EVEN MATTER.
I CAN LIVE SO PLUGGED INTO GOD'S SYSTEM
AND NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MONEY AGAIN,
AND JUST FOCUS ON WINNING SOULS, MAKING DISCIPLES, AND OCCUPYING
UNTIL HE COMES BACK.
REBECCA: THE WAY I SAW IT IS IT'S PROSPERITY WITH A PURPOSE,
FOR SURE.
AND I REMEMBER READING IN BIBLE SCHOOLSPIRITUAL DISCIPLINES
BY DALLAS WILLARD.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID IS, IS HE SAID
POVERTY IS NOT A SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE.
HE SAID STEWARDSHIP IS. SO HE HAD TO BREAK DOWN THAT MINDSET.
KAT: THAT'S HUGE.
REBECCA: AND SO THAT'S A HUGE MISCONCEPTION IN THE CHURCH.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF FALSE BELIEFS AROUND MONEY
IN THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF PEOPLE'S HURT AND EXPERIENCES,
FOR SURE, TWISTING IT.
BUT IF WE DON'T RISE UP AND TAKE PROSPERITY,
WE WON'T BE ABLE TO FULLY WALK IN WHAT GOD HAS FOR US.
SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN PROSPER,
THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE PROSPER.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID WAS REALLY INTERESTING,
IS YOU SAID IN EVERY MAJOR EVENT THAT WAS HAPPENING
IN SCRIPTURE, THERE WAS MONEY INVOLVED IN IT, AS WELL.
AND SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THE WORD, THE WORD IS
ACTUALLY REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROSPERITY.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?
KAT: YEAH.
SO IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE SO I BUILT MY PLATFORM ON SOCIAL MEDIA
DOING A LOT OF REACTION CONTENT, YOU KNOW,
WHETHER IT WAS ABOUT POLITICS OR EVEN STUFF IN THE CHURCH.
AND IT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I SAW THIS CLIP
OF THIS YOUNG LADY.
SHE PROBABLY MEANT WELL, BUT SHE PUT OUT A REALLY BOLD STATEMENT.
SHE WAS LIKE ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A PANEL AT A CHURCH.
AND SHE SAID, NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY
THAT GOD'S BLESSING EQUATES TO MATERIAL GAIN.
AND SHE SAID IT VERY EMPHATICALLY AND DOGMATICALLY.
AND I WAS LIKE, AND THIS IS COMING FROM A GUY, BY THE WAY,
I DON'T COME BACK.
I DON'T COME FROM A WORD OF FAITH BACKGROUND.
YEAH, I DON'T EVEN COME FROM A CHARISMATIC BACKGROUND.
I WAS AN ATHEIST.
I HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH GOD IN COLLEGE,
GOT PLUGGED INTO THE CALVARY CHAPEL MOVEMENT,
STEEPED IN THE WORD, AND THEN GOT BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND THEN EVERYTHING JUST LIKE REALLY ROCKET SHIPPED
FROM THERE.
REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME.
KAT: YEAH, BUT I'M JUST THINKING OF ALL THESE BIBLE STORIES
WHERE I'M LIKE, BUT WAIT A SECOND.
IT SAYS THAT GOD BLESSED ABRAHAM.
AND ABRAHAM WASN'T JUST RICH, HE WAS VERY RICH.
AND ISAAC, IT SAYS ONE OF THE MOST INCONVENIENT SCRIPTURES
FOR PEOPLE WHO HATE THE WORD PROSPERITY.
IN GENESIS 26, IT SAID THAT ISAAC PROSPERED
AND CONTINUED TO PROSPER UNTIL HE WAS VERY PROSPEROUS,
GROWING WITH LIVESTOCK, RICHES, SILVER, AND GOLD.
AND THEN, YOU SEE, JACOB PROSPERED, BOAZ PROSPERED,
SOLOMON PROSPERED, DAVID PROSPERED.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT JOB?
WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE END OF JOB?
BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT JOB LOSING EVERYTHING,
WHICH, BY THE WAY, THE DEVIL STOLE EVERYTHING FROM JOB.
NOT GOD.
AND THEN JOB 42, GOD RETURNS EVERYTHING TO JOB,
DOUBLE WHAT HE HAD BEFORE.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE DISCIPLES?
WE'LL TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JESUS CAME UP ON THE SCENE
WHEN PETER HAD A REALLY BAD NIGHT WITH HIS FISHING BUSINESS
AND JESUS' WINNING STRATEGY
TO GET PETER TO BECOME A DISCIPLE.
REBECCA: OH, YEAH, I FORGOT ABOUT THIS.
KAT: YEAH.
IT WASN'T REBUKING PETER
FOR FOCUSING ON HIS BUSINESS.
IT WAS BLESSING HIS BUSINESS TO SUCH A DEGREE
THAT IT LITERALLY WOULD BREAK THE NETS, SINK THE BOAT,
AND CAUSE OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE TO JOIN IN.
AND THEN PETER'S RESPONSE WASN'T TO CREATE A GOLDEN FISH
ON THE SHORE AND BEGIN WORSHIPING IT.
HE FELL BEFORE JESUS' FEET AND SAID, DEPART FROM ME, LORD,
I'M A SINFUL MAN.
AND THEN JESUS SAID, FROM THIS DAY FORWARD,
YOU'RE NO LONGER FISHING FOR FISH, YOU'RE FISHING FOR MEN.
PETER'S MINISTERIAL ASSIGNMENT BEGAN WITH A REVELATION
THAT JESUS IS THE
PROSPERER, THAT GOD IS THE PROSPERER.
AND SO THE PATTERN IS CONSISTENT.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK GOD'S SO UNASHAMED OF IT
IS BECAUSE IT'S THOSE WHO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH
NEVER NEED TO BE ASHAMED.
AND IT'S ALL OVER THE WORD.
REBECCA: WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT
WHERE YOUR HEART IS?
THE BIBLE SAYS, WHERE YOUR HEART IS,
THAT'S WHERE YOUR TREASURE IS.
AND IT'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
USING MONEY AS A TOOL VERSUS A LOVE OF MONEY.
REBECCA: YES, THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF IT.
BUT THAT SCRIPTURE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY QUOTE IT
BACKWARDS, AND YOU JUST DID.
AND I'M NOT HOLDING IT AGAINST YOU.
REBECCA: DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST ME.
KAT: BUT THIS IS WHY I WROTE THE BOOK, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY,
WE USUALLY QUOTED AS, WHERE YOUR HEART IS,
WHERE YOUR TREASURE IS, WHICH MAKES SENSE
BECAUSE IF I CARE ABOUT IT, I'LL INVEST IN IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY WHERE YOUR TREASURE IS,
THERE YOUR HEART WILL BE ALSO.
AND SO WHAT THAT COMMUNICATES TO ME
IS WHEREVER MY MONEY IS SENT IS WHERE MY HEART WILL FOLLOW,
WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I TALK ABOUT
GIVING SO MUCH IN THE BIBLE.
BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO BE ALL ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD,
YOU CAN'T BE ALL ABOUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
IF YOU'RE NOT SOWING YOUR TREASURE THERE.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
WHY?
BECAUSE IF YOUR TREASURE IS NOT THERE, YOUR HEART'S NOT THERE.
IF YOU'RE NOT GIVING TO YOUR LOCAL CHURCH,
YOU'RE NOT FULLY INVESTED IN THE CHURCH.
YOU'RE NOT FULLY RECEIVING THE REVELATION FROM THE PASTOR.
SO ANYWAY, THAT PART'S JUST IMPORTANT TO --
REBECCA: A REALLY GOOD WORD.
KAT: YEAH.
BUT IN REGARDS TO LIKE THE MOTIVATION, HERE'S WHAT I
WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS, FIRST OF ALL,
LET'S DEFINE PROSPERITY BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT
PROSPERITY AS LIKE, NICE WATCH, NICE CAR, WHICH BY THE WAY,
ALL GOOD THINGS, ALL GOOD GIFTS COME FROM THE FATHER ABOVE,
AND THEY'RE FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT.
SO THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
BUT BIBLICALLY, PROSPERITY IS THIS II CORINTHIANS NINE.
IT SAYS THAT GOD WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ABOUND
AND BE ALL SUFFICIENT IN ALL THINGS,
AND HAVE AN ABUNDANCE LEFT OVER
FOR EVERY OCCASION OF GENEROSITY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
HAVING ENOUGH TO FULFILL WHAT GOD'S CALLED YOU TO FULFILL
IN YOUR ASSIGNMENT ON THE EARTH,
AND MORE THAN ENOUGH TO BE A BLESSING TO OTHERS.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT HARD, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON,
WE'VE ALLOWED, AND REALLY, IT'S THE ENEMY,
THE ENEMY HAS ALLOWED PEOPLE WHO HAVE DISTORTED IT
AND MANIPULATED IT TO CAUSE AN OFFENSE IN THE CHURCH
AND A FEAR IN PASTORS
FROM ACTUALLY TEACHING THE RIGHT WAY.
SO NOW PASTORS DON'T TEACH IT THE CORRECT WAY.
REBECCA: NO, THEY DON'T.
KAT: GOD'S PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
THEY STAY BROKE.
THEY'RE NOT INVESTING IN THE WORK OF GOD,
WHICH ACTUALLY IS PART OF WHAT BREAKS THE YOKE OF POVERTY.
AND THEN THE MISSION DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD.
SO THEN PASTORS HAVE TO BECOME BIVOCATIONAL,
AND THEN THEY SEPARATE.
THEY BASICALLY SPEND ALL OF THEIR TIME WORKING
ON THE MINISTRY AND TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILY.
THEY PUT THEIR FAMILY ON THE ALTAR OF MINISTRY,
AND THEN THEIR KIDS END UP RAISED UP RESENTING THE MINISTRY
BECAUSE DAD WAS NEVER HOME OR MOM WAS NEVER HOME.
AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A GENERALIZATION,
BUT I'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
REBECCA: SAME HERE.
KAT: AND THAT'S WHY FOR ME, IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS.
BECAUSE IF WE CAN GET THIS, GOD'S PEOPLE WILL THRIVE.
THE PEOPLE WHO'VE READ THIS BOOK, WHO'VE APPLIED THIS,
THE TESTIMONIES ARE INSANE
OF GOD'S BREAKTHROUGH FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO HAD A, QUOTE,
FIXED INCOME, YOU NEVER HAVE A FIXED INCOME WITH GOD.
HE EITHER OWNS THE CATTLE ON A THOUSAND HILLS OR HE DOESN'T.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE
ACCORDING TO HIS ECONOMY.
BUT WHEN WE DO, AND WHEN PASTORS BEGIN TEACHING IT CORRECTLY,
IT MOVES US FROM THIS BROKE CYCLE TO THIS ENERGYZING CYCLE.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE DEVIL, I CAN SEE WHY THE DEVIL
HATES THIS MESSAGE SO MUCH.
REBECCA: YEAH, AND WHY
HE'S TWISTED IT SO MUCH
AND TURNED CHRISTIANS' HEARTS AGAINST IT THROUGH DECEPTION.
BECAUSE IF WE WOULD RISE UP AND OPERATE
IN THE FULLNESS OF OUR CALLING,
WE WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE.
KAT: WE'D BE SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE.
AND IT'S ALSO A SPLINTER IN THE SIDE FOR THE ANTICHRIST AGENDA.
REBECCA: YEAH, THAT
WAS THE NEXT THING, I REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
KAT: SO CHECK THIS OUT.
SO WITH MY CONTENT, ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN
FOLLOWING ME FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS KNOWS THAT
I LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CULTURE
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PATTERNS OF LIKE, THIS IS EVERYTHING
JESUS SAID WOULD HAPPEN IN MATTHEW 24 BEFORE HE COMES BACK.
AND AS I WAS WRITING THIS BOOK, THE HOLY SPIRIT KIND OF
WHISPERED TO MY SPIRIT
AND SAID, KAT, YOU KNOW THAT THE DEVIL DOESN'T CREATE ANYTHING,
RIGHT?
HE ONLY COUNTERFEITS WHAT I CREATE.
YES, LORD.
OKAY, SO WHY DO YOU THINK IN REVELATION 13
THE ANTICHRIST IS GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY TAKE A MARK
ON THEIR HAND OR ON THEIR FOREHEAD,
AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GLOBAL
ONE WORLD ECONOMY UNLESS THEY TAKE THIS MARK? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I WANT YOU TO GO BACK TO DEUTERONOMY.
THIS IS MY CONVERSATION WITH THE LORD.
SO I GO TO DEUTERONOMY, AND THERE'S THE SCRIPTURE
WHERE GOD SAYS TO MOSES TO SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE,
AND HE SAYS, I WANT YOU TO BIND MY WORD ON YOUR HAND.
AND AS A FRONTLET IN BETWEEN YOUR EYES, ON YOUR HAND,
AND OVER YOUR MIND WITH HOW YOU GOVERN, HOW IT SHOULD GOVERN,
WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU THINK.
AND SO YOU SEE, LIKE VERY ORTHODOX JEWS IN ISRAEL,
THEY'LL LITERALLY LIKE TIE THESE BOXES
AROUND THEIR HANDS AND THEIR FOREHEAD.
WHAT IS THE ANTICHRIST TRYING TO DO?
IT'S A MOCKERY OF AN ALLEGIANCE TO AN ECONOMIC COVENANT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?
WHAT THE DEVIL WANTS TO DO IN CHRISTIANS IS,
HE WANTS US TO COME OUT OF AGREEMENT WITH THE WORD.
DEUTERONOMY 8:18.
REMEMBER, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS, REMEMBER THE LORD
YOUR GOD, FOR IT IS HE WHO GIVES YOU THE POWER
TO GET WEALTH, THAT HE MAY FULFILL THE COVENANT
THAT HE MADE WITH YOUR SPIRITUAL ANCESTORS.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, BECAUSE WE'VE FORGOTTEN,
WE THINK THAT OUR EMPLOYER IS A BETTER MASTER.
WE THINK THE GOVERNMENT.
HOW MANY CHRISTIANS ARE ON GOVERNMENT WELFARE?
AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO LIKE BE MEAN TO CHRISTIANS
WHO ARE STRUGGLING, BUT WE GOT TO WAKE UP,
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS,
WE'RE PUTTING OUR TRUST IN PHARAOH AND KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR
AND THE BABYLONIAN ECONOMY AND AN ANTICHRIST AGENDA.
AND GOD IS SAYING, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ALLEGIANCE
YOU'RE MAKING BY FORGETTING THAT I'M THE ONE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY.
ISAAC WAS LITERALLY IN A FAMINE IN GENESIS 26,
AND HIS TEMPTATION WAS, I'M GOING TO GO TO EGYPT.
I'M GOING TO ASK THE KING OF GERAR TO BASICALLY
GIVE ME A HANDOUT, BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIKE
PLANT CROPS IN THIS SEASON.
AND GOD SAID, DON'T. STAY, BECAUSE I'M WITH YOU.
AND THEN ISAAC SOWED IN THAT FAMINE AND REAPED A HUNDREDFOLD
THAT YEAR.
WHY IS THIS SO SIGNIFICANT?
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND AS CHRISTIANS,
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S HAPPENING TO BITCOIN.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S HAPPENING
IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY.
WE OPERATE FROM A DIFFERENT ECONOMY.
MY KING DOES NOT BEND HIS KNEE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP OR NETANYAHU
OR THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
MY KING OWNS THE CATTLE ON A THOUSAND HILLS.
HE IS EL SHADDAI, THE ALL SUFFICIENT ONE.
HE'S JEHOVAH JIREH, HE IS MY PROVIDER AND MY PROSPERER.
AND IF I CAN REMEMBER THAT, THEN I WILL ALWAYS
BE THE HEAD AND NOT THE TAIL.
I'LL ALWAYS BE ABOVE AND NOT BELOW.
I HAVE A COVENANT PROMISE.
YOU HAVE A COVENANT PROMISE TO BE THE LENDER
AND NOT THE BORROWER.
AND THE DEVIL IS FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL
TO MAKE SURE CHRISTIANS DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
REBECCA: THAT'S SUCH A GOOD WORD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE, THE BIBLE SAYS
THAT DEBT MAKES US SLAVE, A SLAVE.
AND SO THERE IS THIS SYSTEM, THIS SYSTEM OF PHAROAH,
THE SYSTEM OF BABYLON THAT'S IN PLACE,
THAT IS MAKING US SLAVES TO THE SYSTEM.
AND MOST CHRISTIANS DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT.
KAT: THERE'S A GREAT PHRASE, BY THE WAY, DEBT ISN'T SIN.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WEIGHT AND SIN, RIGHT?
SO I HAVE A MORTGAGE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, IT'S NOT IDEAL,
BUT IT'S ALSO NOT A SIN.
BUT I KNOW THIS, LIKE IF WE WANT TO HAVE INFLUENCE
IN THE CULTURE, DO YOU THINK A CHRISTIAN IS GOING TO
HAVE MORE INFLUENCE OVER A BANKER
IF THE CHRISTIAN IS PREACHING THAT GOD IS A PROVIDER
AND THEN GOES TO THE BANKER ASKING FOR A LOAN?
IN MY MIND, A WORLDLY BANKER IS GOING TO
LOOK AT THAT CHRISTIAN AND SAY, YOU DON'T EVEN REALLY
BELIEVE WHAT YOU PREACH ON A SUNDAY.
IN FACT, I'M GOD TO YOU.
AND THIS IS THE SAME ATTITUDE THAT PHARAOH HAD
TO THE ISRAELITES: I AM YOUR GOD.
YOU WILL WORSHIP ME.
AND THAT'S WHY WHAT MOSES SAID, ACTUALLY,
WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT.
ISN'T THIS FUNNY?
WHEN MOSES SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO,
I'M ASKING FOR AN APPEAL FOR THE PEOPLE TO GO
AND WORSHIP IN THE WILDERNESS FOR THREE DAYS.
AND PHARAOH WAS LIKE, NO. IT REMINDS ME OF SO MANY CHRISTIANS
WHO ARE LIKE, HEY, MR. MANAGER,
MRS. MANAGER, IS IT OKAY IF I DON'T WORK ON SUNDAY
SO I CAN GO TO CHURCH?
NOPE.
SORRY.
WE NEED YOU TO TO RUN THE FRONT DESK.
WE NEED YOU TO BE,
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
IT'S THE SAME SPIRIT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S LIKE,
THAT IS,
WE'VE BEEN SO PROGRAMED.
THE ISRAELITES WERE PROGRAMED WITH THAT THOUGHT
FOR 430 YEARS, AND IT TOOK 40 YEARS OF THE WILDERNESS
TO GET IT OUT OF THEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AS CHRISTIANS RIGHT NOW.
REBECCA: IT WAS SO PROGRAMED
INTO THE ISRAELITES THAT RIGHT BEFORE GOD
PARTS THE RED SEA, THEY'RE TELLING MOSES, WE TOLD YOU
WE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE.
WE WANTED TO STAY HERE.
KAT: I KNOW! REBECCA: AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT?
YOU KNOW, THINKING OF EVERYTHING THEY WENT THROUGH,
IT WAS SUCH A MENTALITY.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO
IS BREAK OUR OLD MENTALITY THAT THIS SYSTEM HAS GIVEN US
AND TAKE GOD'S MENTALITY.
WHAT WOULD YOUR ADVICE BE TO PEOPLE LISTENING
OF HOW THEY CAN DO THAT?
KAT: FOR ME?
I MEAN, YOU CAN READ MY STORY IN THERE.
I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF TIME, BUT GOD HAD TO
BRING ME TO THIS PLACE OF LIKE, EVERYTHING THAT
I WAS TRYING TO DO IN MY OWN STRENGTH WASN'T WORKING.
YEAH, FINANCIALLY FOR MY FAMILY.
AND HE ALLOWED ALL THE THINGS THAT I WAS BUILDING TO LIKE,
NOT PROSPER.
THE BIBLE SAYS IN PSALM ONE, IF YOU,
I GUESS THIS IS THE CHARGE,
IT SAYS IN PSALM ONE, AND THIS IS WHY THE COVER IS,
IF YOU WANT TO HOLD UP THE COVER, ACTUALLY,
BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL IMAGE IS.
THE COVER IS A TREE THAT'S BEARING FRUIT.
IT'S GOT MONEY ON THE TREE.
KIND OF A PLAY ON WORDS BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,
MONEY DOESN'T GROW ON TREES, BUT IN GOD'S ECONOMY,
IT DOES.
BUT LOOK WHAT IT'S PLANTED BY.
IT'S PLANTED BY A RIVER.
THE BIBLE SAYS IN PSALM ONE THAT THOSE WHO
MEDITATE ON THE LAW OF GOD DAY AND NIGHT
SHALL BE LIKE A TREE PLANTED BY THE RIVERSIDE,
BEARING FRUIT IN EVERY SEASON AND EVERY RECESSION
AND EVERY DEPRESSION.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TIME YOU WERE BORN.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PART OF THE WORLD YOU WERE BORN IN.
AND THEY WILL PROSPER IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO.
THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS BOOK,
ONCE PEOPLE READ IT,
THEY'RE GOING TO SEE IT'S SO MUCH SCRIPTURE.
IT'S, GUYS, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA UNLEARN
AND BREAK AGREEMENTS WITH MAN-MADE TRADITION
THAT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH GOD'S WORD.
IF GOD DIDN'T SAY IT, I'M NOT SAYING IT,
BUT IF GOD'S WORD SAYS IT, THAT SETTLES IT.
THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO START.
REBECCA: WE HAVE TO THROW OFF OUR PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS
AND PUT THEM ON THE ALTAR.
AND THAT TAKES HUMILITY.
KAT: IT DOES.
REBECCA: AND REPENTANCE, CHANGING THE WAY WE THINK.
KAT: BIG-TIME REPENTANCE.
REBECCA: AND CHANGE.
AND EVEN I THINK PUTTING ON THE ALTAR OUR IMAGE OF OURSELVES,
BECAUSE SOMETIMES I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE,
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS
BECAUSE I CARE WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ME.
KAT: THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO WRITE IT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A STIGMA AROUND MONEY.
BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID
WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO YOUR CONTENT IS,
YOU SAID CHRISTIANS WERE MADE
NOT TO BEG BUT TO BUILD.
AND I KNOW, SO I'VE SEEN SO MANY MINISTERS STRUGGLE
AND BEG AND NOT THRIVE.
AND THEIR MINISTRIES DON'T THRIVE.
LIKE YOU SAID, THEIR FAMILIES DON'T THRIVE.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A SLAVE TO THE SYSTEM
OR BEGGING.
WE SHOULD BE PROSPERING.
BECAUSE IF MINISTERS PROSPER, THE KINGDOM PROSPERS.
KAT: 100%, YEAH.
AND ONE OF MY FAVORITES,
OH MY GOSH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE MINISTRY ANGLE FOR FOREVER,
BUT I'LL JUST SAY THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT A MINISTER'S JOB TO EVER BEG
FOR MONEY FROM PEOPLE, EVER.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T GIVE TO
THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY.
BUT I LOVE WHAT PAUL SAID.
PAUL SAID IN PHILIPPIANS FOUR,
HE SAID, NOT THAT I WAS SEEKING THE GIFT FROM YOU,
BUT I WAS SEEKING WHAT WAS GOING TO BE ADDED TO YOUR ACCOUNT.
A MINISTER NEEDS TO FIRST.
SHEPHERDS ALWAYS GO FIRST.
A MINISTER FIRST NEEDS TO HAVE THE REVELATION OF,
IF THIS PERSON DOESN'T PAY THE,
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GIVE THEIR TITHE,
IT DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE JUST LIKE WITH ELIJAH,
GOD WILL SEND THE RAVENS TO DROP THE FOOD INTO MY LAP
TO MOVE THIS THING FORWARD.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT I'M NOT GOING TO
ALLOW A LACK OR A FEAR OF LACK,
KEEP ME FROM FULFILLING MY ASSIGNMENT.
AND THEN, REALLY, THE INVITATION FOR PEOPLE IS,
HEY, YOU'RE INVESTING IN CRYPTO, YOU'RE INVESTING
IN THE S&P 500, YOU'RE INVESTING IN ALL THESE PORTFOLIOS
WHERE THERE'S ALL THIS RISK AND MAYBE SOME UPSIDE.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT HAS THE BEST UPSIDE AND NO RISK
ATTACHED TO IT? SOWING INTO GOOD SOIL FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
AND IF PEOPLE WOULD JUST SOW INTO GOOD SOIL,
THEY'LL BE BLESSED.
THE MINISTRY WILL BE BLESSED, AND THE DEVIL WILL
HAVE A REALLY BAD DAY.
REBECCA: AMEN.
WELL, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
THIS IS SUCH A GOOD WORD. ANDTHE POWER TO PROSPER .
WHERE CAN PEOPLE GET IT?
KAT: THEY CAN GET IT PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE, I'VE BEEN TOLD.
SO LIKE IF IF THEY SELL CHRISTIAN BOOKS,
YOU CAN PROBABLY GET IT THERE.
OR YOU COULD GO TO THEPOWERTOPROSPERBOOK.COM.
REBECCA: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
KAT: YEAH, THANKS SO MUCH.