>> I'M SO EXCITED, GUYS, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WANTING
TO HAVE THIS GUEST ON.
WE ARE JOINED TODAY WITH BILL WIESE CLOSE
TO MY LAST NAME, WEISS.
>> RIGHT.
EXACTLY.
>> SO AWESOME TO HAVE YOU HERE.
>> OH, IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE WITH YOU.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN TELLING THIS STORY NOW?
>> OVER 20 YEARS, FULL TIME AND 28 YEARS ALTOGETHER.
>> YEAH.
SO BUT FULL TIME
WE'VE BEEN ON THE ROAD, TRAVELING AND SPEAKING.
>> WAS MINISTRY --
DID YOU GET INTO MINISTRY AFTER YOUR EXPERIENCE?
>> YES.
I MEAN, I SERVED AT OUR CHURCH THAT I ATTENDED,
AND I WAS ONE OF THE WORSHIP LEADERS,
AND I TAUGHT OCCASIONALLY AT OUR CHURCH,
BUT I WASN'T IN MINISTRY FULL TIME.
NOW, YOU KNOW, WE WENT INTO MINISTRY FULL TIME AFTER
THE BOOK CAME OUT.
SO THAT WAS IN 2006 WHEN THE BOOK CAME OUT.
BUT WE TRAVELED FOR SEVEN YEARS PRIOR TO THE BOOK
COMING OUT BECAUSE I SHARED IT WITH ONE CLOSE
FRIEND, AND IT SPREAD FROM THERE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND WE GOT INVITED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
THERE WAS NO BOOK THEN, AND SO WE TRAVELED FOR
THOSE FIRST SEVEN YEARS AND THEN GOT INTO
FULL-TIME MINISTRY AFTER THAT,
HAD TO LEAVE OUR CAREERS.
>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY IMPRESSES ME
ABOUT YOU IS THAT YOU TOOK THIS EXPERIENCE THAT GOD
GAVE YOU, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A HARD EXPERIENCE.
WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO YOUR STORY,
BUT YOU'VE STEWARDED SO WELL.
AND GOD'S, I THINK, HAS OPENED UP ALL THESE DOORS
FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR
PEOPLE TO HEAR, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE HEAVENLY
EXPERIENCES AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S SO GREAT AND THOSE
ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL.
BUT THE REALITY OF HELL IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T
EVEN THINK MOST OF US REALLY THINK ABOUT.
AND WHEN YOU'RE FACED WITH THAT REALITY,
I THINK IT REALLY TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION
THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE SITUATION.
>> IT REALLY DOES.
IT'S CHANGED MY LIFE IN A SENSE OF HAVING SUCH A PASSION.
IT DID THREE THINGS.
IT CAUSED ME TO APPRECIATE MUCH MORE THAN MAYBE WE DO
OUR OWN SALVATION FROM WHAT WE WERE SAVED FROM.
WHEN YOU KNOW HOW HORRIBLE HELL IS,
YOU ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT HE SAVED YOU FROM.
NUMBER TWO, IT CAUSES US AS CHRISTIANS TO WALK MORE
IN THE FEAR OF THE LORD, WHICH MEANS YOU RESPECT
GOD ENOUGH TO OBEY HIM.
AND THEN, NUMBER THREE, IT GAVE ME MORE OF A PASSION
FOR THE LOST, A DESIRE TO WITNESS.
YOU NOT JUST PRAY
A LIGHT LITTLE PRAYER FOR YOUR UNSAVED
FAMILY OR WHATEVER.
BUT I MEAN TO GET ON YOUR KNEES, CRY OUT TO GOD,
AND PRAY THAT GOD WILL GIVE HIM A DREAM OR A VISION.
SEND PEOPLE ACROSS OUR PATH THAT THEY WOULD RESPECT.
YOU'LL BE MORE PASSIONATE.
YOU KNOW, 2 CORINTHIANS 5:10 AND 11 PAUL SAID,
KNOWING THEREFORE THE TERROR OF THE LORD,
WE PERSUADE MEN.
SO WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE TERROR OF THE JUDGMENT
IN HELL, YOU WILL BE MORE PERSUASIVE WITH THE GOSPEL
SHARING THE WAY OF SALVATION,
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GO THERE.
AND THAT'S GOD'S HEART, IS TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT
OF THIS HORRIBLE PLACE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
GOD DID NOT INTEND HELL FOR US, CORRECT?
>> IT WAS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.
IT'S AN INTERESTING WORD HE USED PREPARED,
WHICH IS THE SAME WORD HE USED FOR US IN HEAVEN.
JOHN 14:2, WHERE HE GOES TO PREPARE A PLACE
FOR US IN HEAVEN.
SO HE PREPARED HEAVEN FOR US, HELL FOR THE DEVIL, YOU KNOW.
SO HE DIDN'T INTEND FOR MAN TO GO THERE,
BUT BECAUSE HE'S GIVEN MAN A FREE WILL TO CHOOSE,
MAN CAN REJECT GOD
AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THEY END UP.
>> YEAH.
IS THERE A VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS HELL
HAS ENLARGED ITSELF?
>> YEAH.
OKAY.
BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
>> YEAH.
IT IS HELL HAS ENLARGED ITSELF.
HONESTLY, I FORGOT WHERE THAT ONE'S AT.
>> ME TOO.
BUT IT'S KIND OF, IT'S SPEAKING TO THAT IT WAS
NEVER INTENDED FOR PEOPLE TO GO THERE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH, HE DOESN'T WANT THEM TO GO THERE.
>> BUT HE WON'T FORCE ANYONE TO GO TO HEAVEN.
THAT'S REALLY HOW IT BOILS DOWN TO.
>> RIGHT?
AND A GOD OF LOVE WOULD NEVER FORCE ANYTHING ON ANYBODY.
YOU KNOW, HE HAS TO GIVE YOU A FREE WILL TO CHOOSE.
IT WOULD BE LIKE YOUR HUSBAND WOULDN'T FORCE YOU
TO LOVE HIM.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOVE HIM BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LOVE HIM
AND THAT'S THE SAME WAY GOD IS.
YOU KNOW, HE GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US ON THE CROSS.
HE PROVED HIS LOVE FOR US BY DYING ON THE CROSS TO
KEEP US OUT OF HELL.
>> OKAY, SO LET'S GET INTO THE STORY.
SO WHEN DID YOUR ENCOUNTER,
IT WAS AN OUT-OF-BODY EXPERIENCE, CORRECT?
WHEN DID IT HAPPEN?
AND GIVE US THE STORY.
>> THIS WAS IN NOVEMBER 23RD, 1998.
AND THIS WAS NOT A NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE.
THIS WAS AN OUT-OF-BODY EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD BE
CLASSIFIED AS A VISION IN THE BIBLE.
IN 2 CORINTHIANS 12:1 AND 2,
WHEN PAUL WAS CAUGHT UP INTO HEAVEN IN A VISION,
HE SAID, WHETHER IN THE BODY OR OUT OF THE BODY,
HE DIDN'T KNOW.
>> YEAH.
>> WELL, THE LORD SHOWED ME THAT I LEFT MY BODY.
SO IN A VISION YOU CAN ACTUALLY TRAVEL LIKE PAUL
AND JOHN ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO HEAVEN
IN THEIR SPIRIT BODIES.
1 CORINTHIANS 15:44 TALKS ABOUT A NATURAL BODY
AND A SPIRIT BODY.
IN EZEKIEL CHAPTER 8,
HE TRAVELED FROM BABYLON TO JERUSALEM IN HIS SPIRIT
BODY IN A VISION, AND HE WAS TOLD TO EAT.
HE EXPERIENCED THE SWEETNESS OF THE FOOD
IN HIS STOMACH.
HE WEPT.
HE CONVERSED.
MY POINT IS, IN A VISION, YOU CAN EXPERIENCE THE
SAME THINGS IN YOUR SPIRIT BODY THAT YOU WOULD IN
YOUR PHYSICAL BODY.
AND IN JOB 7:14 IT SAYS, YOU SCARE ME WITH DREAMS
AND TERRIFY ME THROUGH VISIONS.
YOU CAN HAVE A TERRIFYING VISION.
ISAIAH 21:2,
HE WAS GIVEN A GRIEVOUS VISION.
AND IN JOB 4:14, ELIPHAZ WAS GIVEN A VISION THAT
CAUSED HIS BONES TO SHAKE.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A GRIEVOUS, TERRIFYING,
BONE-SHAKING VISION.
AND THIS IS NOT TO COMPARE MY EXPERIENCE WITH ANY OF
THE GREAT MEN IN THE BIBLE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A SCRIPTURAL BASIS OF
HOW THIS CAN OCCUR.
THE ONLY WAY A CHRISTIAN CAN SEE HELL IS IN A DREAM
OR A VISION.
I WAS A CHRISTIAN FOR 28 YEARS WHEN THIS OCCURRED,
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.
>> SO YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED.
SO WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT ARE YOU THINKING
WHEN THIS HAPPENS?
>> WELL, WE WENT TO A PRAYER MEETING WE ATTENDED
EVERY SUNDAY NIGHT.
NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THE NIGHT.
I HAD NEVER STUDIED THE TOPIC OF HELL
AT THAT POINT.
I KNEW I WAS --
IT WAS FIERY AND I WASN'T GOING THERE.
I'VE NEVER GONE TO DARK MOVIES.
I'VE NEVER DRANK, I'VE NEVER TAKEN DRUGS.
AND SO THIS WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF THIS HAPPENING.
AND I NEVER HAD A VISION BEFORE.
WE CAME HOME, WENT TO BED...
>> WOW.
>> AND GOT UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING JUST TO GET A
GLASS OF WATER, AND SUDDENLY I WAS PULLED OUT
OF MY BODY, LIKE BEING DRAWN UP OUT OF YOUR BODY.
AND I SAW MY BODY FALL TO THE FLOOR,
AND I STARTED TUMBLING DOWN THIS LONG TUNNEL.
AND IT WAS GETTING HOTTER AND HOTTER
AND DARKER AND DARKER.
AND THEN I PASSED THROUGH THIS OPEN CAVERN AREA,
AND I LANDED ON AN ACTUAL STONE FLOOR IN A PRISON
CELL IN HELL.
I HAD NO IDEA HOW I GOT THERE OR WHY I WAS THERE.
NOTHING WAS EXPLAINED UNTIL THE WAY BACK,
BUT IT WAS ROUGH HEWN STONE WALLS AND BARS,
FILTHY, STINKING, DIRTY, BUT LIKE A DUNGEON.
BUT ISAIAH 24:22 SAYS, AND THEY SHALL BE GATHERED
TOGETHER AS PRISONERS ARE GATHERED IN THE PIT,
AND SHALL BE SHUT UP IN THE PRISON.
PROVERBS 7:27 MENTIONS GOING DOWN TO HELL TO THE
CHAMBERS OF DEATH.
THE WORD CHAMBERS MEANS INNER ROOMS.
JOB 17:16 SAYS, THEY SHALL GO DOWN TO THE BARS OF THE PIT.
JONAH 2:6, THE EARTH WITH HER BARS WAS
ABOUT ME FOREVER.
SO THAT'S WHERE I FIRST FOUND MYSELF IN THIS
PRISON CELL WITH LITERAL BARS AND GATES.
AND THE FIRST THING I NOTICED WAS THE INTENSE HEAT.
IT WAS LIKE A BLAST FURNACE.
HOW COULD I BE ALIVE?
I SHOULD BE DEAD IN THIS PLACE.
AND I WANTED TO GET UP AND RUN OUT OF THE CELL.
THAT WAS MY FIRST REACTION,
BUT I NOTICED I HAD NO PHYSICAL STRENGTH IN MY BODY.
I THOUGHT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY BODY?
BUT ISAIAH 14:9 AND 10 SAYS,
HELL FROM BENEATH IS MOVED TO MEET THEE
AT THY COMING.
THEY WILL SAY, ART THOU BECOME WEAK AS WE?
IN PSALMS 84 SAYS, I AM COUNTED WITH THEM THAT
GO DOWN INTO THE PIT.
I AM AS A MAN THAT HAS NO STRENGTH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO ENDURE FOR ALL
ETERNITY, YOU'RE COMPLETELY VOID
OF PHYSICAL STRENGTH.
AND DEMONS HAVE GREAT STRENGTH.
YOU HAVE NONE.
SO I LOOKED UP AND I SAW THESE TWO DEMONS THAT WERE
IN THE CELL.
THEY WERE REPTILISH IN APPEARANCE,
BUMPS AND SCALES ALL OVER THE ONE'S BODY.
HUGE JAW.
AND THESE PARTICULAR TWO WERE ABOUT 12 OR 13 FEET TALL.
THAT'S NOT AN EXAGGERATION.
THERE'S SCRIPTURE FOR THAT,
BUT I'LL KEEP MOVING.
>> DO THEY --
DID THEY LOOK LIKE HUMAN,
LIKE HYBRID ALMOST?
LIKE, LIKE ALMOST LIKE A DRAGON?
BUT LIKE THEY HAD LIKE A HUMAN BUILD?
>> THEY HAD A HUMAN BUILD, LIKE ARMS AND LEGS,
BUT THEY WERE DEFORMED.
NO SYMMETRY TO THEIR BODIES.
ONE LEG BIGGER THAN THE OTHER,
ONE ARM SHORTER THAN THE OTHER.
TWISTED, DEFORMED AND REALLY GROTESQUE-LOOKING, HIDEOUS.
THEY WERE BLASPHEMING AND CURSING GOD.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT BLASPHEMY COMES
FROM THE DEMONIC REALM.
REVELATION 13:6, JAMES 2:7 AND SOME OTHERS.
THEN THEY DIRECTED THIS HATRED THEY HAD FOR GOD.
THEY DIRECTED TOWARDS ME.
I WONDER WHY, WHAT HAVE I DONE TO THEM?
BUT THE ONE DEMON PICKED ME UP AND THREW ME
INTO THE WALL,
THIS PRISON CELL.
I HIT THE WALL SO HARD, I FELT AS IF EVERY BONE IN
MY BODY HAD BROKEN.
AND I WONDERED, HOW COULD I BE ALIVE?
I SHOULD BE DEAD.
BUT I HAVE TO EXPLAIN ONE THING.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT MOST OF THE PAIN THAT I NORMALLY
WOULD HAVE FELT FROM THAT WAS BEING BLOCKED.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, BUT ON THE WAY BACK THE LORD
EXPLAINED HE BLOCKED IT, BUT HE DID ALLOW ME TO
FEEL SOME OF IT, SO I COULD RELATE TO PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT METAPHORICAL PAIN.
IT'S REAL, LITERAL PAIN YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL IN HELL.
THANK GOD HE BLOCKED MOST OF IT.
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
>> YEAH.
AND THEN THE OTHER DEMON GRABBED ME AND PICKED ME
UP FROM BEHIND AND DUG ITS CLAWS IN MY CHEST AND JUST
TORE THE FLESH OPEN.
IT JUST HUNG LIKE RIBBONS.
I NOTICED I HAD A BODY.
MATTHEW 10:28 SAYS, FEAR HIM WHO WAS ABLE TO
DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL.
AND LUKE 16, A RICH MAN, REMEMBER HE HAD A MOUTH TO
SPEAK AND SO FORTH.
BUT I NOTICED IT WAS ALL DRY.
THERE WAS NO BLOOD OR WATER COMING FROM THE WOUNDS.
>> INTERESTING.
>> BUT LEVITICUS 17:11 SAYS,
THE LIFE OF THE FLESH IS IN THE BLOOD.
WELL, THERE'S NO LIFE IN HELL, SO THERE'S NO BLOOD.
>> INTERESTING.
>> AND ZECHARIAH 9:11 SAYS, THY PRISONERS OUT OF THE PIT,
WHERE THERE IS NO WATER,
THERE'S NOT ONE DROP OF WATER IN HELL.
>> THERE'S NO LIFE.
>> THERE'S NO LIFE AT ALL.
IT'S BARREN, DESOLATE, DEAD.
THERE IS NOT ONE GREEN THING.
ISAIAH 59:10 SAYS, WE ARE DESOLATE,
DESOLATE PLACES AS DEAD MEN, SO FORTH.
SO NO LIFE WHATSOEVER.
AND THESE DEMONS HAVE NO MERCY OVER YOU AT ALL.
BUT PSALMS 1:17 SAYS, THE MERCY OF THE LORD IS UPON
THOSE THAT FEAR HIM.
WELL, THEY DON'T FEAR HIM IN HELL.
YOU DON'T DERIVE THE BENEFIT OF EVEN MERCY.
NOW ABOUT THIS TIME IT WENT DARK.
NOW I BELIEVED IT WAS GOD'S PRESENCE THERE TO
ILLUMINATE IT SO I COULD SEE.
BUT THEN HE WITHDREW HIS ATTRIBUTE OF LIGHT,
AND IT RETURNED TO ITS NORMAL STATE OF ABSOLUTE
PITCH BLACK DARKNESS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD NOT SEE THE HAND IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.
BUT LAMENTATIONS 3:6 SAYS,
HE HAS SET ME IN DARK PLACES AS THEY THAT BE
DEAD OF OLD.
JUDE 13 MENTIONS BLACKNESS OF DARKNESS FOREVER.
BUT IT WASN'T JUST DARK.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY FEEL THE DARKNESS
AND THAT'S NOT AN EXAGGERATION.
EXODUS 10:21 MENTIONS A DARKNESS THAT MAY BE FELT.
IT JUST PENETRATES THROUGH EVERY CELL IN YOUR BODY.
IT'S SO DARK.
I WAS TAKEN OUT OF THIS PRISON CELL.
I WAS PLACED OVER NEXT TO THIS LARGE RAGING PIT OF FIRE.
THIS PIT WAS ABOUT A MILE ACROSS,
LIKE A HOLE IN THE GROUND WITH FILLED WITH FIRE
FLAMES RAGING HIGH UP IN THIS OPEN CAVERN.
BUT PSALMS 11:6, PSALMS 140, VERSE 10,
MATTHEW 13:49, MANY SCRIPTURES I COULD GIVE
YOU ABOUT THE FIRES OF HELL.
BUT THIS IS WHERE I COULD FIRST SEE PEOPLE.
YOU CAN ONLY SEE THROUGH THE FLAMES AND ALONG THE EDGES.
IT'S SO DARK, IT CONSUMES THE LIGHT.
BUT I COULD SEE THROUGH IT,
AND I COULD SEE THE SKELETONS OF PEOPLE.
YOU CANNOT DISTINGUISH A MAN FROM A WOMAN.
THEY JUST LOOK LIKE FLESH HANGING OFF THEIR BONES.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE SCREAMS WERE SO LOUD FROM
ALL THESE PROBABLY THOUSANDS, MILLIONS,
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THAT PIT.
BUT SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS.
YOU KNOW, REMEMBER JESUS MENTIONED
WEEPING AND GNASHING OF
TEETH AND THEY'RE BURNING AND SCREAMING,
AND YOU WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE SCREAMS,
BUT YOU CAN'T.
BUT ISAIAH 57:21 SAYS, THERE IS NO PEACE,
SAITH MY GOD TO THE WICKED.
THERE'S NO PEACE OF MIND OF ANY KIND.
BUT ISAIAH 32:18 SAYS, MY PEOPLE DWELL IN A QUIET
RESTING PLACE, SO YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO ENJOY
QUIET IN HELL.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW?
>> I INTERVIEWED STEVE KANG AND HE SAID THE
SAME THING ABOUT THE, THE BARS WHERE THE CELLS
WHERE PEOPLE WERE BEING HELD AND TORTURED.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND THEN HE SAID THE SAME THING.
HE SAID, YOU COULDN'T DISTINGUISH ANY OF THE PEOPLE.
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU COULDN'T TELL WHO, WHO THEY WERE.
DO YOU HAVE A BELIEF ON WHAT YOU THINK DEMONS ARE?
LIKE ARE THEY THE FALLEN ANGELS OR DO YOU THINK THEY'RE --
SORRY, THIS IS RANDOM
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
>> OR ARE THEY THE NEPHILIM?
LIKE THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT THEORIES ON THAT.
>> I KNOW, I KNOW, YOU KNOW,
MOST PEOPLE AND LEADERS, PASTORS AND TEACHERS
AND SCHOLARS BELIEVE THAT THE FALLEN ANGELS
ARE THE DEMONS.
HOWEVER, I KNOW DR. CHUCK MISSLER --
>> OH I LOVE HIM.
>> HE'S MY FAVORITE.
HE'S MY FAVORITE.
>> ME TOO.
>> AND HE INDICATED THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY
COULD BE THE RESULT OF THE FALLEN ANGELS THAT HAD
RELATIONS WITH WOMEN AND PRODUCED GIANTS
ON THE EARTH.
AND THEN WHEN THE FLOOD CAME AND THEY WERE KILLED,
THE PEOPLE, THEN THEIR SPIRIT FROM THE FALLEN
ANGEL LEFT, AND THEN THEY COULD, THAT COULD BE THE DEMONS.
>> ESPECIALLY THE HEIGHT THAT YOU SAID THAT THEY
WERE ABOUT THE SIZE OF LIKE WHAT A GIANT WOULD BE.
I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THEY
HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO IT'S LIKE THEY GO THERE AND THE HATRED.
DO YOU THINK, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THINK
THEY HATED YOU?
YOU THINK IT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE?
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHY.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I
ASKED THE LORD ON THE WAY BACK.
I SAID, LORD, WHY DID THEY HATE ME SO MUCH?
HE SAID, BECAUSE YOU'RE MADE IN MY IMAGE
AND THEY HATE ME.
JOHN 15:18 JESUS SAID, THEY HATED ME BEFORE
THEY HATED YOU.
SO DEMONS HATE GOD, BUT THEY CAN'T HURT HIM,
BUT THEY CAN HURT HIS CREATION.
AND SO THEY HAVE AN EXTREME HATRED BECAUSE
WE'RE GOD'S HIGHEST CREATED BEING, YOU KNOW,
AND THEY DON'T LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE REASON.
>> YEAH.
AND IT'S A WAY OF ALMOST GETTING AT GOD IS TO HURT.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO IT'S LIKE, IF ANYONE'S PARTNERING WITH DARKNESS,
YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH SOMETHING THAT HATES YOU
AND ULTIMATELY DESIRES YOUR DESTRUCTION.
>> EXACTLY.
THAT'S RIGHT.
>> YEAH.
>> I KNEW I WAS DOWN DEEP IN THE EARTH.
I DESCENDED TO GET THERE.
I ASCENDED WHEN I LEFT, BUT THERE'S 49 SCRIPTURES
THAT TALK ABOUT WHERE THE CURRENT HELL IS.
HADES IS THE GREEK WORD.
SHEOL IS THE HEBREW WORD FOR THE CURRENT HELL.
BUT I'LL JUST GIVE YOU TWO, EZEKIEL 26:20 AND NUMBERS 16,
32 AND 33.
VERY CLEAR.
IT'S DOWN DEEP IN THE EARTH.
BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
I KNEW THAT I WAS DOWN DEEP IN THE EARTH.
>> SO YOU THINK YOU WERE LIKE,
ALMOST LIKE IN THE CENTER OF THE EARTH?
>> PRETTY FAR DOWN.
>> YEAH.
>> I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED THAT.
I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THAT IT COULD BE DOWN THERE.
>> OH IT IS.
MOST OF THE COMMENTARIES BELIEVE THAT IT IS ALSO,
BUT ALSO 49 SCRIPTURES,
AFTER YOU READ ALL OF THEM,
YOU'RE PRETTY CONVINCED.
IT'S CLEAR AS CAN BE.
IT'S DOWN DEEP IN THE EARTH.
BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
I ALSO UNDERSTOOD THERE WERE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
TORMENT AND DEGREES OF PUNISHMENT.
>> REALLY?
DID YOU SEE THE OTHER LEVELS OR WERE YOU ONLY ON ONE?
>> NO, I JUST KNEW THERE WERE.
BUT ALSO THE SCRIPTURE,
MATTHEW 23:14 JESUS SAID, YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE
GREATER DAMNATION, THAT INFERS A LESSER DAMNATION.
OR MATTHEW 10:15 HE SAID, IT SHALL BE MORE TOLERABLE
FOR SODOM AND GOMORRAH IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT THAN
FOR THAT CITY THAT INFERS A LESS TOLERABLE.
LUKE 12:47 SAYS, YOU'LL BE BEATEN WITH MANY STRIPES,
OR BEATEN WITH FEW.
HEBREWS 10:28 OF HOW MUCH WORSE OF A PUNISHMENT
SUPPOSE IT SHALL BE FOR YOU.
SO THERE'S A WORSE PUNISHMENT.
BUT THE POINT IS, THERE IS NO TOLERABLE COMFORTABLE
LEVEL IN HELL.
>> NO.
>> ANY ONE OF THEM IS HORRENDOUS BEYOND ANYTHING
YOU CAN IMAGINE.
>> SO DID YOU THINK, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I
WAS TALKING TO TO STEVE, HE WAS EXPLAINING,
HE SAID I THINK SHEOL WAS WHERE HE WAS.
BUT THAT'S NOT ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE THE FINAL
BECAUSE ISN'T THERE LIKE A LAKE OF FIRE?
BECAUSE HE SAID, BASICALLY THE DEMONS WERE ABLE TO
HURT THE PEOPLE, BUT THERE WILL COME A TIME WHERE
THEY WILL BE SUBJECT TO IT AS WELL.
>> RIGHT.
>> BECAUSE DEMONS AND PEOPLE ARE IN THE SAME PLACE.
REMEMBER MATTHEW 25:41, JESUS SAID,
DEPART FROM ME, YOU CURSED,
INTO EVERLASTING FIRE PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL.
SO PEOPLE GO TO THE SAME PLACE AS THE DEVIL OR
DEMONS AND SO FORTH.
BUT AFTER JUDGMENT DAY IN REVELATION 20:11 THROUGH 15,
IT SAYS THAT DEATH AND HELL AND IT USES THE WORD HADES,
THE CURRENT HELL ARE DELIVERED UP.
ALL THE PEOPLE IN THEM ARE DELIVERED UP AND CAST INTO
THE LAKE OF FIRE.
SO THE LAKE OF FIRE IS THE FUTURE HELL.
AND JESUS REFERRED TO IT AS GEHENNA.
HE USED THAT WORD 11 TIMES.
JAMES USED IT ONCE.
SO THE FUTURE HELL IS GEHENNA OR THE LAKE OF FIRE.
THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME.
AND THEN AT THAT TIME, REVELATION 20:10,
SATAN WILL BE CAST INTO THE SAME LAKE OF FIRE.
AND SO MOST COMMENTARIES AND I THINK ALSO THAT AT
THAT TIME SATAN AND HIS DEMONS WILL BE TORMENTED FULLY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, MATTHEW HENRY'S COMMENTARY POINTS OUT,
HE BELIEVES THEY ARE ONLY PARTIAL TORMENT NOW,
THE ONES IN HELL, AND THEY CAN TORMENT YOU,
BUT THEY'LL BE IN FULL TORMENT THEMSELVES
AFTER JUDGMENT DAY.
>> DID YOU SEE ANYTHING AFTER YOU WERE IN THE HUGE
THING OF FIRE?
DID YOU SEE ANY OTHER PART?
>> WELL, NO.
I SAW ALONG THE BIG PIT THERE WERE INDIVIDUAL PITS
OF FIRE ALSO.
SO SOME PEOPLE WERE IN THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PIT
WHERE FLAMES WOULD RAGE UP AND BURN THEIR FLESH OFF.
IT WAS HORRIBLE.
AND SOME WERE IN THE BIG PIT AND OTHERS WERE IN PRISON CELLS.
LIKE I WAS FIRST IN A PRISON CELL.
SO THERE'S LOTS OF PRISON CELLS THAT SOME
PEOPLE ARE IN THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, HELL IS A BIG PLACE.
ISAIAH 30:33 SAYS, HELL IS DEEP AND LARGE.
SO I ONLY SAW A PIECE OF IT.
BUT WHAT I SAW, PEOPLE WERE IN THE BIG PIT,
INDIVIDUAL PITS OR IN PRISON CELLS.
SO AND ANY ONE OF THEM IS HORRENDOUS,
AND THE HEAT IS WHAT'S SO UNBEARABLE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR FULL MEMORY, YOU KNOW,
IN HELL.
I THOUGHT ABOUT MY WIFE UP ON THE EARTH,
AND I KNEW I WOULD NEVER GET TO HER AGAIN.
I COULD NEVER SAY GOODBYE TO HER.
AND THAT THOUGHT ALONE IS REALLY TORMENTING.
SEE, WHEN YOU'RE IN HELL, YOU UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO GET OUT.
JOB 7:9 SAYS HE, THAT GOES DOWN TO SHEOL,
SHALL COME UP NO MORE.
YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT, EVER.
AND TO NOT HAVE ANY FINALITY SAY GOODBYE TO
YOUR FAMILY IS A REAL TORMENTING THOUGHT.
>> HOW DID YOU FEEL?
LIKE WHAT WAS THE OVERWHELMING --
YOU SAID TORMENT.
>> TORMENTED BY ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE ENDURING.
THE STENCH, THE MOST FOUL, PUTRID, DISGUSTING ODORS.
MARK 9:25, JESUS REBUKED THE FOUL SPIRITS.
THEY HAVE A DISGUSTING, FOUL,
DECAYING ODOR TO THEM, BUT ALSO THE SMELL OF LIKE
BURNING FLESH AND THE SMELL OF BURNING SULFUR.
AND IF YOU GO TO HAWAII, TO THE VOLCANO, VOLCANO,
THEY HAVE SIGNS POSTED WHERE YOU CANNOT GO PAST
A CERTAIN POINT BECAUSE OF TOXICITY COMING UP FROM
THE VOLCANO.
IT'S CALLED SULFUR DIOXIDE.
IT'S TOXIC.
IT WILL KILL YOU IF YOU BREATHE IT.
WELL, SULFUR IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR BRIMSTONE.
AND THE WORD BRIMSTONE IS MENTIONED 14 TIMES
IN THE BIBLE.
SO YOU'RE BREATHING IN THIS FOUL, PUTRID,
DISGUSTING AIR THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO BREATHE,
AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AIR TO BREATHE.
YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR EVEN THE TINIEST BIT
OF OXYGEN IN HELL.
BUT ISAIAH 42:5 SAYS, THE LORD GIVES BREATH TO
THE PEOPLE UPON THE EARTH.
YOU'RE NOT UPON THE EARTH.
YOU'RE DOWN DEEP BENEATH THE EARTH.
GOD'S VERY SPECIFIC WITH HIS WORD.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU NEED TO SLEEP IN HELL.
YOU NEVER GET TO SLEEP.
YOU KNOW, CAN YOU IMAGINE?
YOU STAY FOR TWO NIGHTS WITHOUT SLEEPING,
YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH A WRECK.
WELL, IN HELL YOU NEED TO SLEEP ALSO,
BUT YOU NEVER GET TO GO TO SLEEP,
SO THAT'S A PROGRESSIVELY WORSE FEELING.
SO YOU'RE EXPERIENCING ALL THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW?
REVELATION 14:10, 11 SAYS, AND THEY SHALL BE
TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE PRESENCE
OF THE LAMB, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS.
AND THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT ASCENDS UP FOREVER
AND EVER.
AND THEY HAVE NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT,
SO NO REST OF ANY KIND.
SO ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS SHOULD KILL YOU.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEAD ALREADY.
SO, YOU KNOW, DEATH DOES NOT MEAN CEASE TO EXIST.
DEATH JUST MEANS SEPARATION FROM GOD,
YOU STILL EXIST.
YOU'RE JUST APART FROM GOD,
AND YOU'RE APART FROM ALL GOOD.
THERE'S NO GOOD THING IN HELL.
>> WHAT WAS SOME OF THE CRAZIEST THINGS THAT YOU
SAW WHEN YOU WERE IN THERE?
>> WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE BEING TORMENTED BY DEMONS.
I DON'T REALLY SHARE THIS VERY OFTEN BECAUSE IT WAS
JUST A PRETTY TERRIBLE THING TO REMEMBER.
BUT WHEN I WAS IN THE CELL,
TWO MORE DEMONS CAME IN.
SO THERE WERE FOUR DEMONS IN THERE,
AND THEY EACH GRABBED AN ARM AND A LEG AND WERE
GOING TO YANK MY ARMS AND LEGS OFF.
I KNEW THAT, BUT GOD RESCUED ME FROM THAT AND
TOOK ME OUT OF THERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GOD, BUT HE JUST SNATCHED ME
OUT OF THERE AND PLACED ME OVER NEXT TO THAT LARGE
RAGING PIT OF FIRE.
SO THERE'S SOME PRETTY HORRENDOUS THINGS THAT CAN
GO ON IN HELL BESIDES THE THINGS I'VE MENTIONED.
>> YEAH, WAS IT ALL JUST DEMONS BESIDES PEOPLE?
DID THEY ALL KIND OF LOOK THE SAME?
>> THE DEMONS VARIED IN THE ONES I SAW.
SOME WERE ONLY TWO AND THREE FEET TALL,
TWISTED, DEFORMED.
EVERYTHING WAS GROTESQUE-LOOKING THOUGH,
AND SOME WERE, LIKE I SAID, 12 OR 13 FEET TALL.
SOME, ONE WAS REAL STOUT AND THICK.
ONE WAS REAL THIN AND TALL.
SO THEY, THEY VARIED IN THEIR LOOK OR APPEARANCE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THEY ALL LOOK HORRIFIC.
>> DID YOU SEE, LIKE ANY KIND OF BEASTS OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT, ANY KIND OF CREATURES?
>> NO, NO, I SAW --
I DID SEE MAGGOTS AND I SAW SNAKES.
AND I SAW THIS IS STRANGE, BUT I SAW AND I CAN'T BACK
THIS ONE UP WITH SCRIPTURE.
I CAN THE OTHERS.
BUT THIS ONE I SAW SPIDERS THAT WERE LIKE THREE AND
FOUR FEET ACROSS.
>> OH, GOD.
>> LIKE HUGE SPIDERS.
BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY SCRIPTURE FOR THAT,
SO I USUALLY DON'T MENTION IT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I SAW.
>> THAT RESONATES WITH ME
BECAUSE I HATE SPIDERS.
>> YEAH.
>> I FEEL LIKE IF THEY'D BE ANYWHERE,
THEY'D BE THERE.
>> BUT MAGGOTS, YOU KNOW, ISAIAH 14:11 SAYS,
WHERE THE MAGGOT IS SPREAD UNDER THEE AND THE WORM
WILL COVER THEE.
IT'S THE WORD MAGGOT IF YOU LOOK IT UP IN THE ORIGINAL.
AND JESUS SAID, WHERE THEIR WORM DIES NOT.
HE ALSO USED THE WORD MAGGOT.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL ASSIGNED MAGGOTS
EATING ON THEIR FLESH AND SNAKES.
I DID SEE SNAKES AND THE REPTILISH, YOU KNOW,
REVELATION 16 DESCRIBES DEMONS THAT ARE RELEASED
FROM THE PIT DURING THE TRIBULATION.
AND IT SAYS THEY THEIR APPEARANCE WAS LIKE FROGS.
A FROG IS REPTILISH IN APPEARANCE.
AND THEN ALSO REVELATION 9 DESCRIBES A DEMON
THAT CAME OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.
AND JOHN TRIES TO DESCRIBE IT.
A BIZARRE-LOOKING CREATURE,
IF YOU READ THAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW,
HAD TEETH LIKE A LION AND BREASTPLATES OF IRON AND
HAIR LIKE A WOMAN AND A FACE LIKE A LION AND SO FORTH.
SO A PRETTY BIZARRE-LOOKING CREATURE THAT HE'S
TRYING TO DESCRIBE.
SO THERE'S SOME UNUSUAL-LOOKING DEMONS IN HELL.
>> YEAH.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT DRAGONS, TOO.
BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT SNAKES, MAGGOTS AND SPIDERS.
SO...
>> SO HOW LONG WERE YOU DOWN THERE FOR AND HOW DID
YOU GET BACK?
THANK GOD YOU GOT BACK UP HERE.
>> WELL, THE WHOLE THING WAS 23 MINUTES.
IT FELT LIKE 23 WEEKS, LITERALLY.
>> REALLY?
>> I MEAN, EVERY SECOND SEEMS SO LONG.
>> BECAUSE IT WAS SO INTENSE.
>> YEAH, BUT JUST IMAGINE PUTTING YOUR FINGER ON A
STOVE AND BURNING YOUR FINGER.
JUST TWO SECONDS WOULD BE LONG.
>> SO PAINFUL.
YEAH AND PAIN.
WHEN YOU'RE IN PAIN, TIME FEELS AND TIME PROBABLY
FELT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THERE ANYWAY.
>> I DID UNDERSTAND ETERNITY THOUGH.
SEE, HERE WE DON'T QUITE GRASP LIKE FOREVER, YOU KNOW...
>> WE REALLY DON'T.
>> YOU KNOW,
SO THAT WAS THE THING THE LORD WANTED ME TO
EXPERIENCE WAS THE HOPELESSNESS.
SEE, I UNDERSTOOD I'LL NEVER GET OUT.
AND HERE WE CAN'T QUITE GRASP ETERNITY.
WE ALWAYS THINK OF TIME HAVING AN END.
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THERE,
THERE IS NO END AND YOU'LL NEVER GET OUT.
THAT'S THE PART THAT THE LORD WANTED ME TO KNOW.
BECAUSE HE BLOCKED IT FROM MY MIND THAT
I WAS A CHRISTIAN.
HE HID THAT FACT FROM ME.
>> OH, SO HE WAS LETTING YOU HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF
SOMEONE WHO WOULD GO TO HELL.
>> RIGHT.
>> YOU WEREN'T LIKE CRYING OUT TO GOD.
>> NO, I WASN'T, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ISAIAH 38:18 SAYS,
THOSE WHO GO DOWN TO THE PIT CANNOT HOPE
FOR THY TRUTH.
SEE, IF I WAS THERE AS A CHRISTIAN, WHICH I WAS,
BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE I WOULD HAVE KNOWN.
PRAISE GOD, HE'S GETTING ME OUT OF HERE.
>> YEAH.
>> I WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT.
>> YOU HAD TO FEEL THE HOPELESSNESS.
>> HE WANTED ME TO FEEL THE HOPELESSNESS
THAT THEY FEEL.
AND THAT'S THE WORST PART, BECAUSE YOU GRASP,
I'LL NEVER GET OUT OF HERE.
THERE'S NO CAVALRY COMING OVER THE HILL.
NO ONE'S GOING TO COME RESCUE ME.
I CAN'T PRAY TO GOD.
THERE'S NO ANGELS, NO FRIEND.
YOU'RE JUST LOST FOREVER.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE.
YOU KNOW, ONE SECOND AFTER THEY DIE, IT'S TOO LATE.
THEY WOULD REGRET PUTTING OFF NOT RECEIVING JESUS
AND REPENTING OF THEIR SINS, YOU KNOW?
SO THAT'S THE PART HE WANTED ME TO REALLY REMEMBER.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS.
>> DID YOU FEEL FEAR?
>> OH, THE FEAR WAS UNIMAGINABLE.
BUT I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT FEAR.
I USED TO SURF WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER,
AND I WAS 17 YEARS OLD SURFING OFF COCOA BEACH,
FLORIDA, AND I GOT ATTACKED BY
A TEN-FOOT TIGER SHARK.
>> OH MY GOSH.
>> I SAW HIM GO BY MY BOARD, TIGER SHARK.
I SAW, I KNOW TIGER SHARKS.
AND HE CAME BACK AND HE BIT MY BOARD IN HALF,
GRABBED MY LEG AND PULLED ME DOWN UNDER THE WATER.
NOW YOU CAN IMAGINE THE FEAR THAT I FELT
AT THAT MOMENT.
>> YEAH.
>> RIGHT?
I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT,
YOU CAN AT LEAST IMAGINE IT.
WELL, THAT FEAR THAT I FELT AT THAT MOMENT,
PALED IN COMPARISON TO WHAT YOU FEEL IN HELL.
IT WOULDN'T EVEN REGISTER IN HELL.
BUT SEE, PSALM 73:18 AND 19 SAYS,
YOU CAST THEM DOWN INTO DESTRUCTION,
WHERE THEY ARE UTTERLY CONSUMED WITH TERROR.
YOU'RE CONSUMED WITH THIS TERROR FOR ALL ETERNITY.
THE FEAR DOESN'T LET UP.
SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU
HAVE TO ENDURE FOREVER.
>> YOU SAID ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE WANTED YOU
TO TAKE NOTE OF WAS THE HOPELESSNESS.
WHAT WERE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT STOOD
OUT TO YOU THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THE LORD WANTED YOU
TO KNOW ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE?
>> WELL, THE MAIN THING THAT REALLY STUCK WITH ME,
AND THIS IS THE PART OF GETTING OUT OF HELL.
>> YEAH.
>> OKAY.
WHEN WE GET, OKAY, THERE WAS EIGHT THOUGHTS I HAD
AND I'LL JUST SHARE WITH A FEW,
BUT LET ME GET TO THE ONE I WAS YOU ASKED ABOUT.
GOD ALLOWED ME TO FEEL A PIECE OF HIS HEART,
THE ANGUISH HE FEELS FOR SOUL FALLING INTO HELL.
AND I COULDN'T STAND TO FEEL EVEN A PIECE OF THE
ANGUISH HE FEELS.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE GOING TO HELL.
WE CAME UP OUT OF THIS TUNNEL AND PEOPLE WERE
FALLING ONE AFTER ANOTHER, AFTER ANOTHER,
BACK DOWN INTO HELL.
AND I COULDN'T STAND IT.
I SAID, LORD, STOP.
I DON'T WANT TO FEEL WHAT YOU'RE FEELING.
SEE, EPHESIANS 3:19 SAYS, HIS LOVE PASSES KNOWLEDGE.
HIS LOVE FOR US IS FAR BEYOND WHAT WE CAN EVEN
LOVE OUR OWN WIVES OR CHILDREN.
THAT'S HOW MUCH HE LOVES US.
HE DOESN'T WANT US TO GO THERE.
AND THAT IS THE THING THAT REALLY STUCK WITH ME OF
HOW MUCH HE LOVES US.
AND HE OPENED UP A SCRIPTURE TO ME, IF I CAN
SHARE IT WITH YOU.
>> YEAH.
>> PSALMS 139:17 AND 18 DAVID SAID,
YOUR THOUGHTS TOWARD ME ARE ALL PRECIOUS,
AND I SUPPOSE IF I SHOULD COUNT THEM,
THEY ARE MORE THAN THE SANDS.
NOW IF YOU PICKED UP A HANDFUL OF SAND,
THERE'D BE THOUSANDS OF GRANULES IN YOUR HAND, RIGHT?
IF EACH ONE REPRESENTED A THOUGHT.
AND YOU SAW ME, I TOOK ONE GRANULE AND I SAID,
I LOVE HOW MY WIFE PRAYS FOR ME ALL THE TIME.
I LOVE HOW SHE HONORS HER PARENTS.
I LOVE HOW BEAUTIFUL SHE IS.
YOU CAME BACK 3 OR 4 HOURS FROM NOW,
AND I'M TRYING TO EXHAUST JUST THE AMOUNT IN MY HAND.
YOU WOULD SAY BILL IS REALLY GONE OVER HIS WIFE,
RIGHT?
THAT'S JUST TO EXHAUST THE AMOUNT IN MY HAND.
BUT GOD SAID HIS THOUGHTS TOWARD US ARE ALL
PRECIOUS, MORE THAN THE SANDS ON THE WHOLE EARTH.
BECAUSE ANOTHER PLACE IT SAYS THE WHOLE EARTH.
HOW MANY GRANULES ARE ON THE WHOLE EARTH?
IT'S NOT EVEN COUNTABLE.
>> YEAH.
>> SO AND THAT'S NOT AN EXAGGERATION
BECAUSE GOD CAN'T EXAGGERATE.
>> NO.
>> SO IF EVERY ONE OF THOSE GRANULES REPRESENT A GOOD
THOUGHT HE HAS TOWARDS US, THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE
MORE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH HE LOVES PEOPLE AND
DOESN'T WANT HIM TO GO THERE.
THAT'S WHY HE ALLOWED ME TO FEEL THE ANGUISH HE FEELS.
JUST A PIECE OF THE ANGUISH.
I COULDN'T BEAR IT.
>> I -- THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO SHARE BECAUSE I THINK
PEOPLE, GOD, IT SHOWS HE'S NOT EMOTIONALLY REMOVED
FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING SENT THERE,
BUT THAT IT ACTUALLY ANGUISHES HIM.
>> OH, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE IT.
ISAIAH 33:11 I THINK SAYS HE HAS NO PLEASURE IN THE
DEATH OF THE WICKED.
>> WOW.
>> HE DOESN'T WANT ANYBODY TO GO THERE.
HE DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH TO KEEP US OUT.
SO HE PROVED HIS LOVE FOR US.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY, HOW CAN THIS LOVING GOD SEND
PEOPLE TO HELL?
HE DOESN'T SEND ANYBODY.
AND HE'S THE ONE THAT DIED FOR YOU TO KEEP YOU OUT.
BUT BECAUSE HE LOVES MAN, HE GIVES HIM THAT FREE
WILL TO CHOOSE.
IT'S UP TO THEM.
HE SAYS, HERE'S HOW YOU STAY OUT OF HELL.
YOU KNOW, REVELATION 21:8
SAYS, ALL UNBELIEVERS SHALL HAVE
THEIR PART IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.
SO THERE'S A WARNING.
HE JUST TOLD YOU, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME,
THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY, YOU'LL END UP
IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.
THAT'S A MESSAGE OF LOVE
BECAUSE IT'S A MESSAGE OF WARNING.
NOW YOU CAN SEE WHY JESUS SAID IN MATTHEW 12:37,
YOUR OWN WORDS CONDEMN YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID,
I DON'T BELIEVE JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY.
PEOPLE SAY THAT.
HE GIVES THEM A CHOICE.
HE TELLS YOU, DON'T SAY THAT, YOU END UP IN HELL.
BUT HE LOVES THEM, SO HE GIVES THEM THE FREE WILL.
>> AND HE HONORS THAT.
>> RIGHT.
>> HE'S NOT A TYRANT.
>> HE'S NOT GOING TO FORCE YOU INTO HEAVEN.
>> SO HOW'D YOU GET OUT?
WHAT WAS THAT --
WHAT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE?
>> WELL, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT ALL THIS HORROR
AND SOMETHING BEGAN LIFTING ME UP,
THIS DARK TUNNEL.
I WAS IN THIS CAVERN-LIKE TUNNEL
WITH DEMONS ALL ALONG THE WALLS.
AND IT WAS SO DARK.
BUT THEN AS I WENT UP INTO THIS DARK TUNNEL,
SUDDENLY THIS BRIGHT LIGHT APPEARED.
NOW I DIDN'T SEE HIS FACE.
I JUST SAW THE OUTLINE OF A MAN STANDING IN THIS
BRIGHT, PURE, HOLY LIGHT.
IT WAS LIKE NO LIGHT I HAD EVER SEEN BEFORE,
AND I KNEW IMMEDIATELY WHO IT WAS.
I JUST CALLED OUT HIS NAME.
I SAID JESUS, AND HE SAID TWO WORDS.
HE SAID, I AM.
WHEN HE SAID THAT I WENT OUT,
I DON'T KNOW IF I DIED OR PASSED OUT,
BUT I CAN ONLY EXPLAIN THAT THROUGH REVELATION 1:16.
WHEN JOHN SAW HIM, HE SAID HIS COUNTENANCE WAS BRIGHT
AS A SUN, AND I FELL AT HIS FEET AS ONE DEAD.
WELL, AFTER TIME HE TOUCHED ME,
AND WHEN I CAME TO AT HIS FEET,
IT HIT ME SO STRONGLY.
EVEN THOUGH I'D BEEN A CHRISTIAN FOR 28 YEARS,
I THOUGHT IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GONE TO THE CROSS,
I WOULD HAVE GONE TO HELL.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY IF HE
WOULDN'T HAVE DIED ON THE CROSS.
I WAS SO GRATEFUL FOR THE CROSS,
FOR WHAT HE DID FOR ME.
I WAS SO THANKFUL AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK HIM
ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK HIM AND WORSHIP HIM.
BUT AFTER A TIME, HE STARTED ANSWERING MY THOUGHTS.
I STARTED GETTING THOUGHTS.
AND PSALMS 139:2 SAYS HE ANSWERS OUR THOUGHTS AFAR OFF.
AND I THOUGHT, LORD, WHY DID YOU SEND ME TO
THIS HORRIBLE PLACE?
>> YEAH.
>> HE SAID, BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE HELL
IS REAL.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
>> HE SAID, EVEN SOME OF MY OWN PEOPLE
DO NOT BELIEVE HELL EXISTS.
THAT STATEMENT SURPRISED ME.
I THOUGHT, WAIT A MINUTE, DON'T,
DON'T ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN HELL?
BUT WE HAVE FOUND OUT SINCE,
MANY CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN ANNIHILATIONISM,
WHICH IS A TEACHING THAT SAYS YOU SIMPLY CEASE TO
EXIST IF YOU DENY JESUS.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
OR UNIVERSALISM,
THAT'S A TEACHING THAT SAYS YOU,
EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN.
YOU MIGHT GO TO HELL FOR A LITTLE WHILE,
BUT YOU GET LET OUT AND YOU GO TO HEAVEN
OR SOUL SLEEP.
THERE'S MANY FALSE TEACHINGS,
AND HE WANTED ME TO SHARE POINT PEOPLE
TO THE SCRIPTURES.
I'M JUST A SIGNPOST TO POINT PEOPLE
TO THE SCRIPTURE.
>> WHEN YOU WERE TALKING TO JESUS,
DID YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WERE?
DID YOU LIKE, DID YOU GO BACK INTO YOUR BODY AND HE
WAS WITH YOU?
OR WERE YOU SOMEWHERE WITH HIM?
>> WELL, WE WERE TRAVELING BACK UP THAT DARK TUNNEL.
>> YES.
AND HE WAS WITH YOU.
>> RIGHT.
AND THEN THOSE THOUGHTS WERE COMING AND HE WAS
ANSWERING MY THOUGHTS.
I THOUGHT, LORD, I DON'T WANT TO SHARE
THIS WITH ANYBODY.
THEY'RE GOING TO THINK I'M CRAZY OR HAD A BAD DREAM.
AND HE SAID, IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO CONVICT THEIR HEARTS.
THAT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT'S.
YOU JUST GO AND TELL THEM.
GO AND TELL THEM.
SO AGAIN, HE WANTED ME TO POINT PEOPLE TO THE SCRIPTURE.
IT'S NOT IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE
TO BELIEVE MY EXPERIENCE.
I DON'T CARE HONESTLY IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE ME,
BUT JUST BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD.
THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT, BECAUSE A LOT OF CHURCHES
AREN'T TEACHING THE TRUTH ABOUT HELL TODAY.
LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE TEACHING ANNIHILATIONISM,
UNIVERSALISM, MANY FALSE TEACHINGS.
SO IT TAKES OUT THE FEAR OF THE LORD A LOT.
WHEN YOU THINK, WELL, THERE'S NO HELL,
THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES, YOU KNOW?
SO IT GIVES YOU THAT URGENCY TO WITNESS MORE OF
A PASSION TO SHARE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED ME
TO SHARE THE WORD.
AND I SAID, YES, SIR, I'LL GO, I'LL SHARE IT.
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT, I DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE IT.
I TOLD MY BEST FRIEND AND HE INVITED ME
TO HIS BIBLE STUDY.
I WENT RELUCTANTLY, THREE MONTHS LATER.
IT SPREAD FROM THERE.
SO FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, WE STARTED GETTING
INVITED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
WE PAID OUR OWN WAY.
WE NEVER TOOK ONE DIME FROM ANYBODY.
AND THEN THE PUBLISHER CAME TO ME AND ASKED ME TO
WRITE THE BOOK, SO IT WAS NOT SOMETHING I
WANTED TO SELF-PROMOTE.
>> YEAH.
>> BUT I WAS HAPPY TO WRITE THE BOOK SO I COULD
PUT THE SCRIPTURES IN THERE
OUGHT TO DO WITH HELL, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT WAS WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.
BUT I FELT UNCOMFORTABLE SHARING BECAUSE I'M A
CONSERVATIVE PERSON BY NATURE.
>> YEAH.
>> I DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE THIS.
BUT ONE DAY I HEARD THE LORD SAY, BILL,
IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU BEING COMFORTABLE.
IT'S ABOUT YOU BEING OBEDIENT.
MAN, THAT CONVICTED MY HEART.
I FELT, I'M SORRY, LORD, I REPENT.
I'LL GO.
NOW IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.
IF ONE PERSON CAN COME TO THE LIGHT OF THE SCRIPTURE
AND AVOID THIS HORRIBLE PLACE,
IT'S WORTH ANY UNCOMFORTABLENESS
I WOULD EVER FEEL.
>> WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE LORD SHARED WITH
YOU ON YOUR WAY UP BACK TO YOUR BODY?
>> YES.
WHEN I SAW THOSE DEMONS ALONG THE WALL,
THEY LOOKED SO POWERFUL, RIGHT?
THESE BIG DEMONS AND THEY HAD SUCH STRENGTH.
AND WHEN THE LORD SHOWED UP,
ALL OF A SUDDEN THOSE DEMONS APPEARED TO LOOK
LIKE ANTS TO ME.
>> INTERESTING.
>> AND I THOUGHT, LORD, DID THEY REALLY SHRINK UP?
OR WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SHOW ME?
AND I BELIEVE HE WAS TRYING TO SHOW ME THAT IN
THE NAME OF JESUS, IT'S SO POWERFUL THAT THOSE DEMONS
ARE LIKE A STEPPING ON AN ANT.
THEY'RE NOT A BIG DEAL.
IF YOU'RE WALKING WITH GOD,
YOU KNOW THE AUTHORITY.
WE HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE DEMONIC REALM,
AND THEY'RE NOT POWERFUL COMPARED TO JESUS.
AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SHOW ME.
THEY'RE LIKE AN ANT.
YOU WOULDN'T THINK MUCH OF STEPPING ON AN ANT.
THAT'S HOW HE WANTS US TO SEE DEMONS,
YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN CAST THEM OUT AND TAKE
AUTHORITY OVER THEM.
AND THEN WHEN WE WENT ABOVE THE EARTH,
WE CAME OUT OF THIS TUNNEL,
WENT ABOVE THE EARTH, AND I COULD LOOK BACK
AT THIS TUNNEL.
AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WERE FALLING ONE AFTER
ANOTHER, BACK DOWN INTO HELL.
AND THAT'S, HE WANTED ME TO REMEMBER THAT THE ANGUISH
HE FELT FOR THOSE PEOPLE FALLING IN HELL.
SO I WOULD GO AND SHARE THE GOSPEL,
BE MORE PASSIONATE TO SHARE THE TRUTH.
AND THEN WE CAME BACK TO THE EARTH,
WE CAME QUICKLY BACK UP THE EARTH,
AND I COULD SEE THROUGH MY ROOF OF THE HOUSE,
AND I SAW MY BODY LYING ON THE FLOOR.
AND IT LOOKED SO TEMPORAL, YOU KNOW,
IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WOULD LOOK AT YOUR CAR.
IT'S A VEHICLE TO GET AROUND IN,
BUT IT'S NOT YOU.
THE REAL YOU IS YOUR SPIRIT.
>> WOW.
>> AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHEN I WAS WITH THE LORD,
THE PEACE OF GOD WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO PRESSURE OF TIME.
THERE WAS JUST I FELT LIKE I WAS HOME.
I'M WITH THE LORD NOW.
AND THERE WAS SUCH A PEACE AND I FELT
SO ACCEPTED AND LOVED.
THERE'S -- IT'S A LOVE THAT YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN ON THE
EARTH HERE THAT WE HAVE WITH JESUS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING REALLY TO LOOK FORWARD TO BEING
WITH THE LORD AND BEING IN HEAVEN AND HAVING THAT
PEACE AND NO BURDEN OF TIME.
IT WAS LIKE SOMEBODY TOOK A BARBELL OFF MY BACK,
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS IN A RUSH, RIGHT?
WE GOT TO GET IT DONE.
WELL, IN GOD'S PRESENCE AND IN HEAVEN,
THERE IS NO PRESSURE OF TIME.
YOU JUST LIVE IN THE MOMENT.
AND SO THAT WAS A --
IT'S JUST SOME THINGS THAT HE
LET ME ENJOY, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN I SAW A PUFF OF SMOKE GO UP WHEN I LOOKED
AT MY BODY AND I SAID, LORD, WHAT WAS THAT?
HE SAID, JAMES 4:14, LIFE IS BUT A VAPOR.
I THOUGHT, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME.
COMPARED TO ETERNITY,
OUR LIFE IS GONE IN LIKE A TEA KETTLE,
A PUFF OF SMOKE.
I THOUGHT, LORD, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME.
HE SAID, YES, BUT WHAT YOU DO FOR ME DURING THAT
SHORT TIME, I WILL COUNT FOR ALL ETERNITY.
>> WOW.
>> THAT GAVE ME A BETTER OVERALL ETERNAL PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN LIFE IS TO SERVE GOD, RIGHT?
AND TO DO ALL WE CAN FOR HIM.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LIVE OUR LIVES,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR MIND LIKE
HIS, LIKE HE'S CONCERNED FOR SOULS.
HE DOESN'T WANT ANYBODY TO GO TO HELL.
SO CAN WE EACH DAY GET UP AND SAY, LORD,
USE ME TODAY.
PUT ME IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY TODAY I CAN SHARE
YOUR WORD WITH AND AND WATCH FOR THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, AND BE SENSITIVE WITH PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T BEAT PEOPLE OVER THE HEAD WITH A BIBLE,
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WHEREVER YOU CAN,
YOU TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE WORD OF GOD
WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD, LOVING MESSAGE.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THAT GAVE ME THAT
OVERALL ETERNAL PERSPECTIVE.
>> AND THEN WHEN YOU DID, YOU SEE YOURSELF GO BACK
INTO YOUR BODY OR WAS LIKE,
YOU JUST KIND OF WOKE UP?
>> NO, I SAW MY BODY.
I SAW MYSELF, AND I WENT BACK IN.
I FELT LIKE I CAME IN THROUGH MY MOUTH OR NOSE.
I COULDN'T TELL, BUT WHEN I CAME BACK IN,
THAT PIECE LEFT, BECAUSE THE LORD LEFT, AND NOW THE
MEMORIES OF HELL FLOODED BACK INTO MY MIND BECAUSE
I JUST CAME OUT OF HELL.
AND SO THOSE THOUGHTS FLOODED BACK IN MY MIND.
THE HORROR, THE TERROR, THE -- THE STENCH,
ALL THOSE THINGS AND HEARING THE PEOPLE SCREAMING.
AND SO I ACTUALLY WENT INTO A TRAUMATIZED STATE.
I STARTED SCREAMING, AND I WAS IN A FETAL POSITION ON
THE FLOOR, ROLLING ON THE FLOOR, SCREAMING.
AND THAT'S NOT LIKE ME.
I'M VERY CALM AND CONSERVATIVE.
AND MY SCREAMS WOKE UP MY WIFE.
AND WHEN I GOT UP, I GOT UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING,
I SAW THE DIGITAL CLOCK.
AND WHEN SHE WOKE UP, SHE,
YOU KNOW, WAS STARTLED.
SHE LOOKED AT HER DIGITAL CLOCK AND IT SAID, 3:23.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 23 COMES FROM.
BUT SHE FOUND ME ON THE FLOOR,
AND SHE, AT FIRST DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS HAVING
A HEART ATTACK OR WHAT WAS GOING ON.
BUT SHE SAID SHE FELT A PEACE ACTUALLY,
BECAUSE SHE KNEW IT WAS SPIRITUAL.
AND I GOT OUT OF MY MOUTH,
PRAY FOR ME, PRAY FOR ME,
THE LORD HAS TAKEN ME TO HELL.
AND SHE PRAYED.
AND GOD REMOVED THE HORROR BUT LEFT THE MEMORY.
YOU KNOW, HE CAN DIVIDE BOTH SOUL AND SPIRIT.
SO SOMEHOW HE TOOK AWAY THAT HORROR SO I WOULDN'T
BE TRAUMATIZED AND HAVE NIGHTMARES.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT HE LEFT ME WITH THE MEMORY OF IT,
AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO CALM DOWN.
AND THE FIRST THING I DID WAS ASK FOR A GLASS OF WATER.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ONE DROP IN HELL.
AND IT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL TO SEE WATER, YOU KNOW,
LIFE CONTAINED IN A GLASS, YOU KNOW.
REVELATION 21:6 EQUATES WATER WITH LIFE,
AND IN HELL THERE IS NO LIFE.
SO WE BECAME WATERAHOLICS, YOU KNOW.
>> SO WHERE DID YOU GO FROM THERE?
IS THAT WHEN YOU STARTED REALLY GETTING INTO THE WORD?
>> WELL, I WAS ALWAYS INTO THE WORD,
BUT I STARTED STUDYING ABOUT HELL.
I WANTED TO FIND OUT,
OKAY, THIS IS FROM THE LORD, BUT THIS,
THIS MUST BE IN THE BIBLE.
EVERYTHING I SAW MUST ALREADY BE IN THE BIBLE
BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T WANT ME TO ADD TO THE WORD.
SO I STARTED STUDYING.
SO FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS I STUDIED,
I READ EVERYTHING I COULD ABOUT HELL.
I LISTENED TO EVERY MESSAGE FROM EVERYBODY ON
HELL FOR THOSE SEVEN YEARS,
AND I WAS ASKED TO TRAVEL DURING THAT TIME.
SO WE TRAVELED, SPOKE ON IT,
BUT I NOTICED A LOT OF THE MESSAGES THAT WERE GIVEN
BY PEOPLE THAT DID SPEAK ON HELL WERE HARSH, HARD.
YOU'RE GOING TO BURN, YOU DIRTY SINNER.
IT WAS LIKE THAT AND I THOUGHT,
THAT'S NOT GOD'S HEART.
HELL IS SEVERE, BUT HIS GREAT LOVE IS OVERWHELMING
AND HE GOES THROUGH GREAT LENGTHS TO KEEP
PEOPLE OUT OF HELL.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S EVEN A SCRIPTURE IN JOB 33 WHERE
IT SAYS HE EVEN GIVES MAN DREAMS AND VISIONS TO KEEP
BACK HIS SOUL FROM THE PIT.
SO, GOD, IF THAT PERSON JUST SHOWS AN OUNCE OF
HUMILITY AND LORD, WHO ARE YOU?
HE WILL FIND A WAY TO GET THROUGH TO THEM SO HE CAN
SHARE THE WAY OF SALVATION SO THEY DON'T HAVE
TO GO TO HELL.
AND I WANTED TO GET THAT ACROSS
THE MESSAGE, HIS GREAT LOVE,
BUT ALSO THE SEVERITY OF HELL.
SO PEOPLE KNOW IT'S REAL AND IT'S YOUR CHOICE IF
YOU GO THERE.
>> WHAT WOULD YOUR MESSAGE TO BELIEVERS BE NOW?
>> DEFINITELY,
LIKE I SAID IT DID TO ME, CAUSE YOU TO WALK MORE IN
THE FEAR OF THE LORD.
APPRECIATE WHAT YOU WERE SAVED FROM,
AND HAVE MORE OF A PASSION FOR THE LOST.
SHARE THE WORD OF GOD WITH PEOPLE.
TAKE MORE EFFORT, YOU KNOW,
2 CORINTHIANS 5:10, 11 PAUL SAID,
KNOWING THEREFORE THE TERROR OF THE LORD,
WE PERSUADE MEN.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE SCRIPTURES TALK ABOUT
JUDGMENT SEAT, THE REWARD SEAT FOR CHRISTIANS,
MOST COMMENTARIES SAY THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
JUDGMENT HELL IN GENERAL.
SO WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND JUDGMENT, HELL IN GENERAL,
YOU'LL BE MORE PERSUASIVE WITH MEN.
SO SEE, IT'LL GIVE YOU MORE OF THAT PASSION.
WHEN YOU SEE HOW SEVERE IT IS, YOU'LL THINK, MAN,
I CAN'T LET MY FAMILY OR MY FRIENDS GO THERE.
I'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO GET THROUGH TO THEM.
MAYBE YOU'LL GET ON YOUR KNEES,
YOU'LL PRAY AND FAST.
YOU'LL CRY OUT TO GOD.
YOU'LL BE MORE, YOU KNOW, PERSUASIVE.
YOU'LL BE MORE ATTENTIVE WITH YOUR PRAYER.
>> AND I GUESS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE LOST WOULD
BE, RECEIVE JESUS.
>> WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID,
ONE SECOND AFTER YOU DIE, IT'S TOO LATE.
YOU WON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DIE.
YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE AT A CHURCH,
AND THE NEPHEW OF THE PASTOR BROUGHT HIS BEST FRIEND.
HIS BEST FRIEND WAS NOT SAVED.
HE WAS 23 YEARS OLD.
AND HE SAID AFTERWARDS, HE GOES, BILL,
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU AT ALL.
THAT BIBLE STUFF IS HOCUS POCUS.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
AND HIS FRIEND SAID, YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND.
I WANT YOU TO GO TO HEAVEN.
WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT?
AND HE GOES, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
SO THEY WENT TO BREAKFAST THE NEXT DAY.
THIS IS A TRUE STORY.
WENT TO BREAKFAST.
HE SAID, PLEASE, YOU'RE MY BEST FRIEND.
I REALLY WANT YOU TO GO TO HEAVEN.
HE GOES, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THAT, IT'S NONSENSE.
HE GOT UP FROM THE BREAKFAST, GOT IN HIS CAR.
FIVE MINUTES LATER, HIS CAR HIT A BRICK WALL AND HE DIED.
>> OH.
>> HE'S ONLY 23.
NOW HE DIDN'T EXPECT TO DIE THAT DAY.
AND HIS FRIEND WAS THINKING IF HE DIDN'T
CHANGE IN THAT LAST FIVE MINUTES,
HE'S GOT AN ETERNITY
NOW TO THINK ABOUT
WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN?
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE THIEF ON THE CROSS.
THE ONE RECEIVED JESUS, THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T.
AND JUST THINK HE'S IN HELL
THINKING I HUNG NEXT TO THE SAVIOR.
HE COULD HAVE REPENTED AND RECEIVED JESUS.
SO IT GIVES US THAT URGENCY, YOU KNOW?
SO AS CHRISTIANS, I WOULD JUST SAY GET
AN OVERALL ETERNAL PERSPECTIVE.
YOU KNOW, THIS LIFE IS SHORT AND WE DON'T HAVE
A LOT OF TIME LEFT,
I DON'T THINK.
SO WE NEED TO BE ABOUT THE FATHER'S BUSINESS.
AND WHAT WE DO FOR HIM,
IT WILL COUNT FOR ALL ETERNITY.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK ARE THE THINGS, I FEEL LIKE
YOU'VE KIND OF HIT ON THIS,
BUT WHAT ARE BELIEVERS DOING AND FOCUSING ON THAT
YOU FEEL LIKE SHOULD NOT BE A FOCUS FOR THEM?
LIKE, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MAKING MAJOR
THAT SHOULD NOT BE AS BIG OF A DEAL?
>> WELL, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS IN LIFE PEOPLE GET
WRAPPED UP IN AND SPEND SO MUCH TIME.
I MEAN, SOME, SOME THINGS ARE SPORTS,
AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH SPORTS, YOU KNOW?
BUT SOME PEOPLE GET SO CONSUMED,
THEY GOT TO WATCH EVERY GAME.
THEY GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY,
THEY KNOW EVERY PLAYER.
THEY KNOW EVERYTHING.
THEY SPEND SO MUCH EFFORT.
AND THEY'RE NOT PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE.
THEY'RE JUST PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW,
SO YOU GOT TO HAVE A BALANCE, OF COURSE,
AND YOU CAN HAVE SPORTS AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S JUST ONE THING.
AND THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS
PEOPLE GET WRAPPED UP IN HOBBIES AND DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT TAKE UP SO MUCH TIME AND TAKE AWAY
FROM THE TIME YOU COULD SPEND STUDYING THE WORD
AND BEING A WITNESS.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE AMBASSADORS FOR CHRIST
AND WE SHOULD BE THE BEST WE CAN AS A
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE KINGDOM.
IT'S NOT JUST OUR PREACHING TO SOMEBODY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST SHARE THE WORD OF GOD.
IT'S JUST YOUR EXAMPLE.
CHARLES SPURGEON SAID 90% IS YOUR LIFE EXAMPLE.
PEOPLE WATCH YOU.
DO YOU KEEP YOUR WORD?
DO YOU SHOW UP ON TIME FOR WORK?
DO YOU WORK WITH EXCELLENCE?
DO YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND?
DO YOU SHOW LOVE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE UGLY AND MEAN TO YOU?
DO YOU FORGIVE QUICKLY?
THOSE ARE THINGS THE WORLD WATCHES US.
AND IF WE CAN BE THINKING THAT ALL THE TIME,
I WANT TO BE THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN FOR THE KINGDOM.
SO THEN THOSE PEOPLE LATER SAY, WHAT IS IT WITH YOU?
YOU DON'T GET RILED, YOU FORGIVE PEOPLE,
YOU'RE -- THEY WILL NOTICE THAT AND ASK YOU.
THEN IT GIVES YOU A DOOR, AN OPENING TO BE ABLE TO
SHARE THE WORD OF GOD WITH THEM.
>> ANY ADVICE ON WITNESSING TO THE LOST?
>> WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW,
NUMBER ONE IS IF YOU'RE --
IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE A
FRIEND OR FAMILY, WE NEED TO PRAY FIRST.
A LOT OF PRAYING FOR THEM, YOU KNOW,
AND THEN ASK GOD TO SEND LABORS ACROSS THEIR PATH
THAT THEY WOULD RESPECT.
FAMILY IS REAL HARD TO
WITNESS TO, BUT LABORS THAT THEY WOULD RESPECT.
MAYBE PRAY AND FAST FOR THEM.
THE LORD TOLD ME ONE FRIEND OF I HAD THAT WAS
A TOTAL HEATHEN, AGNOSTIC GUY,
AND HE DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BIBLE.
AND HE WAS VERY WEALTHY GUY.
AND THE LORD TOLD ME PRAY AND FAST FOR SEVEN DAYS
FOR HIM.
I DIDN'T LIKE TO WANT TO DO THAT, SEVEN-DAY WATER FAST,
YOU KNOW, AND I DID, AND I CAME TO WORK ON THE
EIGHTH DAY, CAME TO WORK.
AND HE COMES IN THE DOOR
AT THE OFFICE AND HE SAYS HE HAD A STARTLED LOOK ON
HIS FACE, AND HE GOES, BILL,
I GOT TO TALK TO YOU.
AND SO I WENT IN THE BACK AND I TALKED TO HIM,
AND HE SAYS, YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT.
BUT LAST NIGHT I PULLED IN MY GARAGE AND JESUS CHRIST
SHOWED UP IN MY GARAGE.
I FELL ON MY KNEES.
HE SAID, I'VE BEEN CRYING ALL NIGHT.
I'VE WEPT.
I'VE RECEIVED JESUS AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.
I SAID, YOU?
HE'S BEEN SO FAR AWAY FROM IT,
YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT WAS THE SEVENTH NIGHT OF THE FAST.
>> WOW.
>> AND THE LORD TOLD ME TO PRAY AND FAST
SEVEN DAYS.
SO YOU NEVER KNOW HOW SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET SAVED.
BUT IF WE'D JUST BE OBEDIENT AND BE SENSITIVE
TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.
CAN I SHARE ONE MORE QUICK STORY?
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.
>> I WAS LISTING A HOME IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE
LADY KNEW I WAS A CHRISTIAN.
SHE WAS ELDERLY AND SHE SAID, LOOK,
YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE WEIRD CHRISTIANS.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE, OKAY?
YOU SIGN,
SHE SIGNED THE LISTING.
SHE GOES, SELL MY HOUSE AND DON'T EVER TALK TO ME
ABOUT THE BIBLE.
WELL, NORMALLY YOU WOULD RESPECT THAT.
AND YOU'D SAY, FINE, I'M NOT GOING TO PUSH ANYTHING
ON ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS TELLING ME OTHERWISE,
SAID, DON'T LET HER OFF THE HOOK.
YOU TELL HER THE WAY OF SALVATION.
SO I SAID, NO, YOU'RE GOING TO LISTEN.
SHE GOES, NO, I'M NOT.
GET OUT.
I SAID, NO, YOU SIT DOWN.
YOU'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO ME FOR TEN MINUTES.
SO SHE LISTENS.
SHE SITS DOWN.
SO I SHARE WITH HER THE SALVATION,
TOLD HER HOW MUCH GOD LOVES HER.
SHE WAS PROBABLY 89 YEARS OLD, ELDERLY WOMAN,
AND SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE ANY OF IT.
AND SHE SAYS, GET OUT AND SELL MY HOUSE.
SO I LEFT.
ONE HOUR LATER SHE WAS DEAD.
NOW YOU SEE WHY THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS PROMPTING ME TO
TELL HER, BECAUSE THAT'S GOD'S GREAT LOVE.
HE WAS SHOWING HER THE WAY OF SALVATION RIGHT
TO THE LAST.
SO SHE HAS NO EXCUSE, YOU KNOW.
BUT THAT'S IF SHE DIDN'T CHANGE IN THOSE LAST,
THAT LAST HOUR, SHE'D BE IN HELL AND THINKING,
WHY DIDN'T I BELIEVE THE BIBLE THAT BILL WIESE TOLD ME?
>> YEAH.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, NOT TO GET DISCOURAGED,
IF PEOPLE RESPOND LIKE THAT LADY.
BECAUSE LIKE YOU WERE
SAYING, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO CONVICT,
IT'S JUST OUR JOB TO SHARE.
>> IT IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE BEGINNING,
WHEN THIS FIRST HAPPENED, THE FIRST YEAR,
I FELT LIKE I HAD TO TACKLE EVERYBODY TO
WITNESS TO THEM.
LIKE, YOU GOT TO GET SAVED.
YOU KNOW, I WAS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
BUT THE LORD HAD TO SHOW ME THAT,
LOOK, YOU'RE JUST A MESSENGER BOY.
YOU'RE NOT THE SAVIOR.
OUR JOB IS JUST TO SHARE THE WORD OF GOD.
WE DON'T HAVE TO CONVINCE THEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK THEM INTO IT.
JUST TELL THEM THE WAY OF SALVATION,
HOW MUCH GOD LOVES THEM.
MAYBE SHARE THEIR OWN TESTIMONY,
WHAT GOD DID FOR THEM, AND THAT'S IT.
AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT PERSON, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE NOT THE SAVIOR, BUT GOD IS.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO JUST
BE SENSITIVE, TAKE OPPORTUNITIES
WHEREVER THERE IS.
AND THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES.
WE ALL HAVE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON PLANES ALL THE TIME.
WE ALWAYS HAVE SOMEONE TO WITNESS TO NEXT TO US.
YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AND LET
THEM TALK FOR A LONG TIME, SHARE ABOUT THEIR LIFE,
AND MAYBE INTERJECT SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT YOU
DO OR WHAT THE LORD'S DONE FOR YOU.
THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO GET THROUGH TO PEOPLE.
ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE A SPIRITUAL BACKGROUND,
THAT'S ALWAYS OPENED UP THE DOOR.
MOST PEOPLE SAY, YEAH, I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC OR
WHATEVER, AND YOU CAN THEN TALK ABOUT THE LORD WITH
PEOPLE WITHOUT HAMMERING IT OVER THEIR HEAD,
YOU KNOW?
>> WELL, THIS HAS BEEN SUCH
AN AMAZING CONVERSATION.
FOR PEOPLE TO GET CONNECTED TO Y'ALL'S MINISTRY,
HOW CAN THEY FIND YOU GUYS?
>> WELL, IT'S 23MINUTESINHELL.ORG
OR SOULCHOICEMINISTRIES.ORG.
SOUL, S-O-U-L, CHOICE MINISTRIES.ORG.
AND THEY CAN WRITE US AND WE HAVE LOTS
OF INFORMATION UP.
WE HAVE LOTS OF VIDEOS, PODCASTS AND EVERYTHING
FOR FREE THEY CAN WATCH
AND WE'D BE GLAD TO WRITE THEM
BACK IF THEY WRITE US.
>> CAN YOU JUST CLOSE US OUT IN A PRAYER FOR THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING?
>> SURE.
WELL, FATHER, WE JUST COME BEFORE YOU IN JESUS' NAME.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE LISTENING,
REVELATION 20:15 SAYS, WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND
WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE
LAKE OF FIRE.
GOD ACTUALLY HAS A BOOK, AND HE'S GOING TO LOOK TO
SEE IF YOUR NAME IS IN HIS BOOK,
AND YOU CAN HAVE ASSURANCE THAT YOUR NAME IS IN HIS BOOK.
IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TURN AWAY FROM SIN, TO REPENT,
TO SAY, I'M SORRY FOR WHAT I'VE DONE, LORD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MENTALLY ASSENT TO THE
FACT THAT JESUS IS GOD.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ADMIT
YOU'RE A SINNER, AND I CANNOT SAVE MYSELF.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AND RECEIVE HIM AS YOUR LORD
AND SAVIOR, THEN JUST SAY THIS PRAYER WITH ME RIGHT
NOW AND MEAN THIS FROM YOUR HEART.
AND DON'T PUT THIS OFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW
THAT YOU'LL HAVE TOMORROW.
SAY, DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN,
I KNOW THAT I'M A SINNER
AND I CANNOT SAVE MYSELF.
I BELIEVE YOU SENT YOUR SON JESUS
TO DIE ON A CROSS FOR ME,
THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED,
DIED, AND WAS BURIED,
BUT ROSE AGAIN AND LIVES FOREVERMORE.
I ASK YOU TO FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS.
I'M SORRY.
COME INTO MY HEART.
I RECEIVE YOU AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.
YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD.
THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING ME TO HEAVEN,
IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
>> AMEN.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND FOR
SHARING YOUR STORY WITH US.
>> I'M HONORED TO BE WITH YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
YOU KNOW, I JUST ONE LAST THING.
JESUS SAID IN JOHN 14:6,
I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH,
AND THE LIFE.
NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER,
BUT BY ME.
HE SAID, HE'S THE ONLY WAY
AND THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE
AS CHRISTIANS WE CAN SHARE.
AMEN.
>> AMEN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.