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Welcome to today's program.
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My name is Rick Renner
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and I'm back with our friend Dru Hammer.
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Dru, welcome to my program.
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Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
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I am thrilled you were here
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and that I can recommend to our friends that they get a copy
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of your book called, Hammered.
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It's her biography. I read
it from cover to cover.
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And what is between the pages, the covers
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of this book is just amazing.
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Dru tells her story.
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She talks about all the people
that she met who she was able
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to present the gospel to,
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and that's what we're gonna
be talking about today.
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You know, it's interesting sometimes
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to hear these legendary stories
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and she's got a lot of stories to tell.
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And when we come back tomorrow,
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we're gonna see another very
important chapter of her life
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and how God rescued her
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and redeemed her from
something really difficult.
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Please don't miss tomorrow's episode,
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but I wanna read to you from 2
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Chronicles 16:9.
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This is Dru's, one of her favorite verses: For the eyes
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of the Lord run to
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and fro throughout the whole
earth, to show himself strong
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in the behalf of them whose
hearts are perfect toward him.
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And true, I was thinking about that.
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It's kind of sad that God has
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to look all over the earth
to find somebody right.
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Who has a heart that's perfect toward him.
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Right, exactly. I
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Mean, he's really looking and looking
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and looking, who is the
person that I can use
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Right.
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Wandering to and fro.
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And I'm like that kindergarten
student that says,
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pick me, oick me.
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Well, when his eyes fell on you,
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he knew you were one that he could use.
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Yes. - And I watched you
this week be very intentional
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with somebody about the gospel.
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And in fact, you were late
coming to our studio today
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because of traffic.
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Right. - And you ended up
feeling like God gave you time
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to share Christ with somebody,
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that it was designed by the Lord.
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You deceived the moment.
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Absolutely. We were in
a hallway of our hotel
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and I'd run into him at
the gym and at breakfast
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and I just shared Christ with them.
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And he was like, I think
I would like to do that.
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I'm like, do you wanna pray
right here? And he said yes.
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So we prayed right there and
he said the sinner's prayer
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and he is gonna be in heaven.
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You know Dru, you're
really an evangelist.
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I am. That's where my heart really is.
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I'm definitely an evangelist.
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Well, tell me about some of
the people that you met. Okay.
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When you move into the Hammer family,
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that name opened a lot of doors.
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And when you were 23 years
old just getting started,
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you were invited to have lunch
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with Gorbachev. Tell me about that
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experience.
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Yes. Well, I had just gotten
married. I was very young.
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I was only 24 years old
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and I had no idea the world
I was being thrown into.
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And so we get a call from
Armand, he called Michael
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and he said, I want you to come up.
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Gorbachev is coming to the office.
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And you know, at that time I'm young
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and I'm like, okay, why not?
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This'll be interesting, this'll be fun.
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And you had asked me earlier
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before we came on the show,
you know, what was he like?
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He was very quiet.
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And one of those people, I don't wanna say hard to talk to,
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and by the way, why would he care about
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talking to me anyway?
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But he was very quiet.
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He's one of those that you
had to talk more than he did.
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But I found him, you could tell when you met him
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that he was really a brilliant man.
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I mean, you could tell he was
very introspective, it seemed.
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And then you told me another story
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that Armand was the godfather to Prince Charles.
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Yes. Well, Armand was very good friends
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with Lord Mount Batten.
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And he was more like a father
figure to Prince Charles.
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So when Lord Mountbatten died,
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Armand just became close
with Prince Charles
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because they were both very
interested in spreading these
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United World colleges
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and it was bringing students
together from all over the
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world and bringing them
together for peace basically.
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In other words, there's
a great story where
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they put these kids together
and, and some were from Israel
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and some were from Arab countries.
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And the boat tipped over
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and the Arab student
ended up saving the life
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of the Israeli Jewish student.
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And that's how they believed
bringing peace together.
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So they were good friends.
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And when Francis had died,
Armand's wife, he called us
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and he said, will you go to DC to the opera house?
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There's a big VIP reception
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and Prince Charles is gonna
be there and Princess Diana
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and I need to be here.
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He was very sad about Francis. It broke his heart.
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and there was a very, very small kind of -
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there's a VIP section
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and then there's a kind of a VVIP section if you will.
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And Princess Di came right up to me
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and she said, 'cause I'd met her several times before
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and we had spoken
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and she said, I'm so sorry
to hear about Francis,
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what a lovely woman she was.
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And the other two
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or three times that I had met
her, she was very reserved
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and I always had a really a sadness for her
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because the 1st time we met, we were in Palm Beach
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for a Polo Match and it was a fundraiser.
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to this huge gala and everybody wants to meet her,
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but you know, they weren't friends
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and she was always alone at those things.
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And the next morning, Michael and I got up
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and we thought, well let's
take a long walk on the beach
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and end up at a wonderful
cafe and have breakfast.
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And I thought she can
never do things like that.
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She's up in the penthouse
in the presidential suite
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with guards all around her.
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She and Charles could never
have done anything that public
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or just had intimate moments together.
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It's really sad to me
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that she couldn't enjoy the
simple pleasures in life.
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So I always kind of felt a sadness with her.
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But she was also very reserved.
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And obviously
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because people betrayed her;
you know, everyone wanted
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to sell a great story about her.
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So the first couple times I'd met her,
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she was very reserved,
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but this, I think it was the 4th - 3rd
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or 4th time I met her, she came right up to me
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and said, I am so sorry
to hear about Francis.
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And I think that time she
felt more comfortable with me.
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So she kind of leaned in and
she said, I have a question.
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And I said, what? She goes,
did you get the jewels?
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And I start laughing.
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I said, now Princess Di - you have a vault of family jewels.
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Are you kidding me? You're thinking about Francis'?
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And she goes, Oh No:
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very few people have jewels like she did.
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And I said to her, I said, I
did actually get some of them.
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I said, but you know what,
those jewels are gorgeous.
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But she didn't take 'em with her.
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I said, the only thing she took
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with her was when she asked Jesus into her heart
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and her personal relationship with Jesus.
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And it was funny because I knew right then I needed to stop.
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You kind of have to know
when to read people.
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But I saw her look at me
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and you could tell she was
really thinking about that.
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So several years later, she had gone
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through really difficult times.
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She had eating disorders, they had marital problems.
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And God said to me one time,
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write her a letter because I think I was
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exercise anorexic.
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I was always running marathons
and always working out
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and kind of overdoing it.
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It kind of became an idol to me.
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So I understood the things
she was going through.
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And that was when I 1st found out - 7 years into our
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marriage that there were infidelities in our marriage.
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So I knew what she was
feeling on a very small level.
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So God kept saying to me 5
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or 6 nights in a row, write her a letter
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and tell her that you're praying for her
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and you, you understand
what she's going through.
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And you know, in my mind I'm
like, you gotta be kidding me.
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I mean, she's never gonna
get a letter from me
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and why would she listen to this?
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And you better be obedient to God the 1st time
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because I lost 5-hours of sleep.
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Because I mean - 5-nights of sleep because of that.
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So finally I was like, okay,
okay God, I'll write it.
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And if I tell you, I can
remember a little bit of
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what I wrote, but it was probably 4-pages long.
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And I don't even remember the
Holy Spirit just literally
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wrote the words that she needed to hear.
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And what I basically told her was,
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I understand a very small percentage
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because my problems aren't
published in every newspaper
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and magazine in the world.
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So, but I do understand
on a personal level
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what you've gone through.
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And I explained to her that
I'd been through, you know,
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eating disorders and things like that
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and there were infidelities
in my marriage.
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I said, but I want you to
know you are not alone.
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I said - Jesus wants to help you through this.
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And I went through the
whole plan of salvation,
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how the sinner's prayer, how
you ask Jesus to forgive you
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of your sins, then come into your heart
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as your Lord and Savior.
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I put everything on
paper and it was so funny
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'cause I called Armand's
assistant the next day.
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'cause I was like, well, I probably ought
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to get her personal address
so I have a better chance
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of the letter getting there.
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But when I took it to the mailbox, I mean
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to the post office, I
felt like such a ding-dong
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because it's like I'm taking this letter
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and it said, Princess Di with the address,
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but you have to buy an international stamp.
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So can you imagine the postmaster?
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She's thinking - Oh,
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this poor young woman actually
thinks this letter's going
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to get to Princess Di.
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It's almost like sending a letter
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to Santa Claus type of deal.
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But I thought, that's okay,
God, you asked me to do it
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and I'm gonna do it.
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And I know she got it
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because the Lord would
not let it go in my heart.
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And then as we were talking
about earlier, is the night
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that she was in that car accident,
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I believe she was the only one
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that didn't die instantly, wasn't she?
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or 5 hours afterwards
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and we were living in the Cayman Islands.
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And I prayed that whole time going, God,
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your word never returns void.
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And I kept saying, Jesus,
bring those words back.
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It has nothing to do with me.
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But bring those words back that you chose
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for me to write to her.
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This is what I mean when I
say you're very intentional.
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You really seizes every moment
to tell somebody about Jesus.
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Well, amen.
Here we are.
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Thank you. Now, when
Armand died, you were invited
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to Buckingham Palace. Why?
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and Prince Charles had a
memorial service for Armand
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because he had done a lot
between, you know, Europe
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and America as well.
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It wasn't just Russia where he was kind
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of a peace ambassador
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and you know, so they
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and Margaret Thatcher was lovely; she was really lovely.
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Came right up to us and told us how much Armand meant to her
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and all the good that he had did -
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he had done - what a Goodwill ambassador he was.
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And Prince Charles was lovely
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and said, you know, you have no idea.
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He was like a father to me.
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And you know, he was an amazing man
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and was always there for me.
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with his number written on it
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and says, I just want you to know
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that if you ever need anything,
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just know you can always call me.
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So Michael and I went back
to our hotel room that night
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and we were laughing
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and we're like, huh,
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well we have Prince Charles's
number here, let's call him
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and ask him, Hey Prince, you know
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what restaurant you think
we should eat at tonight?
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I mean, we just had so much fun with that.
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It was wonderful to see Armand honored like that.
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Well, we just read the verse in 2 Chronicles 16:9,
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that God's looking for somebody to use.
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Yes. - And God knew he
could tap you on the shoulder.
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So I wanna ask you Dru,
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Yes - In all the years that you have met rich
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and powerful people and not just rich
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and powerful, you've met
a lot of different people.
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Right?
But the fact is,
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because your name is Hammer,
you've met a lot of people
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that other people will never meet.
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It opens doors for sure.
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And so when you walk into
a room with Prince Charles
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or Margaret Thatcher
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or Mikhail Gorbachev,
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have you ever found yourself intimidated?
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No. And I think when God
calls you, he equips you.
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And I think the reason why is
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because I was thrown in a very
big world when I was 23 years
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old and it was sink or swim.
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And do we have time to
tell a little story? Sure.
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That really, really changed my life.
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So you've read about it in the book,
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how the very first black tie
that I went to with Armand,
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I was so intimidated
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because I too stepped on the
weekends at Oklahoma State
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University and I thought,
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what in the world: I felt like Elly May Clampett, you know,
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from the Beverly Hillbillies.
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And I'm like, what am I doing here?
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And we are invited to this black tie at the Beverly Wilshire
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and it's the who's who of the world that were there.
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And I'm thinking, I walked in
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and I remember going, God, what in the world am I gonna have
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to say to these people?
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I have nothing. I'm not a world changer.
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I'm not a blue blood.
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I didn't go to an Ivy League school. What in the world?
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And I would seated next
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to this elderly gentleman in a wheelchair.
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And he said, my name's James.
And I said, I'm Dru Hammer.
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And he goes, oh my gosh, Armand is one
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of my dearest friends.
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He told me all about you. He loves you.
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And he says, wait till you meet her.
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You'll get such a kick out of her.
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Because like I said, I didn't know enough
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to be intimidated with him.
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And he goes, how in the world
did you meet Armand Hammer's
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only grandson?
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Because he told me, you're
from Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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And I said, God. And he
said, what do you mean?
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I said, well, I'm from a
very strong Christian home
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and my parents prayed their
whole lives for the right,
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godly mates for their daughters.
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And I met 'em on an airplane.
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And both we fell in love immediately
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and we were engaged in three weeks.
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And he came to know Jesus was
filled with the Holy Spirit,
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you know, before we got
married. And I said, it's
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All this with a stranger
you've never met in your life.
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Oh, absolutely. I didn't
even know who he was.
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So I, but I would've done it to anybody.
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And I said, it's just totally Jesus
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that I'm sitting here today.
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And tears started running down his face
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and he said, may I tell you a story?
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And I said, yes.
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He said, my name is James Roosevelt
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and I'm the oldest son of President Roosevelt.
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And he said, I was his campaign manager.
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And we traveled on train then,
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and we would go from city to city: train - you know
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train station to train station.
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And my dad would say to me,
now, James, we need to pray
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for God to give us favor if
I'm supposed to be president.
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And he would go out and give his speeches.
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They get on a train, they'd
go to the next train stop.
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And he'd say, now James, we
need to pray if I'm supposed
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to be president, that
God will give me favor
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with the American people.
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He said, the night my dad was elected,
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we go into the Oval Office.
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He said, now James, we
need to get on our knees
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and we need to thank God.
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Who knew, right? And he's
crying as he told me this.
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And he said, I have not thought about God in 50 years
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until you said that to me.
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And I said, well James,
it's time right now
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to come back to Jesus.
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And I took his hand and we prayed right there at the table
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and we said the sinner's prayer.
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And he invited Jesus into his life.
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And I said, I'm going to see you in heaven
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and you're going to see
your Father in heaven.
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And God spoke to me that moment
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and he said, Dru, he did not
care what you were wearing.
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He didn't care if you were a blue blood.
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Did he even ask you
what school you went to?
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What degree you received?
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And he said, that is why he put you there.
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You know, Dru, I've met a of powerful people
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and I always say to myself
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before I meet them, they get
out of bed just like you do.
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Yes.
They're dealing
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with the same issues everybody else deals
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with. They're just known,
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Yes.
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That they are people with needs.
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I actually think sometimes they're the most unhappiest
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people alive.
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And I didn't understand it at first,
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but I understand it now.
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And I think because in life we strive
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and we think if we could just get there,
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if we could just have this amount of money, I'll be happy.
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But people like that,
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they've already achieved
everything in the world's eyes
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and they're still unhappy,
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so they don't know where
to find it. So you and
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I - and then God sends Dru Hammer,
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You and I have the privilege of going out
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and telling them how they can find that.
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If you were to identify one person
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that really impacted you more than all the people
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that you've met, who comes to your mind?
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My father. - I knew you were
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gonna say that. That definitely,
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Definitely.
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Why? - Oh,
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I watched him be intentional. When my dad
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accepted Jesus
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he didn't just accept Christ, he took it
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and he ran with it and it
became his entire life.
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And I watched my dad pursue business
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because he said, God, I'll go
anywhere you want me to go,
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but I never wanna take an offering.
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Now I always say the Gospel's free.
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Jesus paid the price,
but ministry's expensive.
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But my dad for some
reason, and I think it's
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because he was raised so poor
that he wanted to be the one
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that funded the kingdom.
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So he said, God, if you'll
bless my businesses,
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I'll go anywhere you want me to go,
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but I wanna pay for everything.
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So I watched him have a level
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of success in the world's eyes,
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but yet what he did
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for the Lord Way
surpassed anything he did.
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You write in this book
that your dad was so humble
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and he was that every
time he bought a new car,
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he bought a car the same
color as the old car he did.
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So nobody would know he had a new
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car.
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The same make the same color
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because he never wanted his friends to,
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because he had friends
that wasn't as successful
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and he never wanted to rub it in.
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One day I was having lunch with your daddy
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and I said, Doug, you're so successful.
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He said, oh Rick.
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He said, at this stage in my life, I only own 5 banks.
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I said, Doug, I think you're doing all right.
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Yeah, he was. He was amazing.
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Thank God for his impact.
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And I'm so glad he came to
Riga, then he came to Moscow.
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Yes.
And now you're here.
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I know. It's just, I think
it's just part of the legacy
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that God blessed me with.
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It's so wonderful.
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Well, thank you for being an
instrument that God has used
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to touch so many lives. And we're young.
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We are young.
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We're we're just getting
started the way I see it,
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By the way, if you're about my age,
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don't call yourself old.
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No.
You're finally mature enough
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to know what you're doing.
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You're in the best position
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to be used right now than
any other time in your life.
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That's right.
You're in your prime.
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But I want to say thank you for being with me,
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and when we come back tomorrow, I want to talk to you about
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what happened to your marriage.
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Okay?
Is that all right?
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Of course. It's of
course what's gonna happen.
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That's part of my ministry.
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And if you know anybody that's been
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through a really rough
time in their marriage,
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maybe they have lost their
marriage, you need to hear
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what Dru is gonna be sharing
in tomorrow's program.
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So please be sure to join us.
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But I'll be back in just a moment,
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and I want to pray for you.
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When we surrender something to the Lord,
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is it truly surrender if we
keep bringing it up to him?
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God, that question's kind of funny
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because the day I got saved when I was 5-years old,
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the song in the alter call was, I Surrender All.
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I was 5-years old.
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I remember walking down to the front thinking, All To Jesus,
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I surrender, All to thee I freely give,
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I will ever love and trust him.
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And I went down to the
front called Jesus the Lord
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of my life and surrendered myself to him.
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But you know what, Joel? I've
been surrendering ever since.
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Every day when I wake up, I re-surrender.
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I don't think there's anything
wrong with surrendering.
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We are supposed to live
our life at the altar.
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We're to be a living sacrifice
that conveys the idea
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of continual surrender.
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It's fine if you surrender and surrender
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and surrender and surrender. I do it every
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Day.
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It is amazing what can happen when you're willing
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to say - Yes - to God.
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In Rick Renner's series, Inside The Hammer Story: Betrayal,
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Healing, and Hope, Rick
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and his guest, Dru Hammer
unpacked Dru's riveting
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testimony full of ministry to
seemingly unreachable people,
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struggles to forgive betrayal, and so much more.
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Her inspiring story will remind you
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that God's hand is always
at work in your life
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and you never know when he
might place you in an unlikely
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position of influence in someone else's life:
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available in digital
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or physical formats starting at just $11.
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This 5-part series will help you
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to feel qualified wherever God puts you.
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In addition, we are offering you the book, Hammered
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by Dru Hammer.
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In this book, Dru shares intimate
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and anecdotal stories about
marrying into the Doctor
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Armand Hammer dynasty.
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From the excitement of
mingling with world leaders
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and royalty to the emotional
pain of a difficult divorce
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and how her faith was
strengthened through it all,
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you can order her faith-filled
memoir for just $19.
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Don't miss this special offer:
the series, Inside the Hammer
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Story: Betrayal, Healing, and Hope, and the book, Hammered.
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Call the number on your screen
or scan the QR code to order.
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Call or go online today.
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Hey, this is Rick Renner,
and guess where I am.
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This is a new little studio
we have built in our Tulsa
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facilities so that when
we're in the United States,
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we can also do programs here.
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But oh, how we thank
God for this building.
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And from here, the word of
God is going to the ends
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of the earth.
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And here we're receiving
calls from people from all
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over the world.
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This facility is so very, very important
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and we're grateful to God for it,
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and we're grateful for our
partners who are helping us
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to retire the debt on this building.
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We call it the Ministry Expansion Project
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because when this debt is retired,
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it's gonna release those finances to go
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to the ends of the earth.
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And guess what? Now we
have already paid off
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85% of the debt.
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We just have a little
ways to go to wrap it up.
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And if you're already a giving
partner to help us do this,
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I just wanna say thank you to you
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for everything that you do.
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And if you've not been a
part of the Giving Team yet,
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I invite you to join the Giving Team
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to help us in the Ministry Expansion Project
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to retire the debt on this facility
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so these finances can be released
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to take the trusted teaching of the Bible
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to the ends of the earth.
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Well, today we've been
spending a little time
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with Dru Hammer, who I believe
may be the most intentional
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person I have ever met in my entire life.
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She's so intentional about
seizing every opportunity
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to share about Jesus
with whoever she is with.
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And Dru, I'm so grateful that
you've been with us today,
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and I'm grateful that you can know Dru, better.
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But if you'd like to
order this entire series
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that we're sharing this week with me
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and Dru, just go online
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or give us a call for more information.
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And please remember Dru's book called, Hammered.
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I literally read it in one
setting from cover to cover.
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Now, I don't usually read
a lot of biographies,
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but when I started this one,
I could not put the book down
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until I finished it.
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It is just gripping, it's riveting.
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There's so much in this
story to learn from,
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and that's why I really want
you to get a copy of this.
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So contact us to find out
how you can get yours.
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And please, when you reach
out to us, let us know how
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to pray for you because
we're praying for you anyway.
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But when you ask us specifically to pray in this way
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or that way, we're just gonna do a better
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job of praying for you.
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And Jesus said that if we would agree
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as touching anything, he would do it.
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And we believe that.
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So let us get into agreement
in prayer with you.
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But Father, we thank
you in the name of Jesus
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for Dru's testimony
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and for the testimony you've given
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to every single one of us.
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And help us to be intentional, Lord,
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that we would seize every moment
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to share about Jesus with others.
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And we ask this in the wonderful name of Jesus
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Amen. I'm so glad you've been with me today.
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And when we come back tomorrow,
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we're gonna hear Dru share about
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how she really had a catastrophic event
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take place in her life.
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But God redeemed it. Jesus is a redeemer.
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It's really going to be good.
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So don't miss tomorrow's program.
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But until then, remember Ecclesiastes 8:4 says,
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"Where the word of a king is, there is power."
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If you've never received
Jesus as your Savior
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and Lord, now is the time for
you to experience a new life
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Jesus has to give you.
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Pray this prayer with me right now - Lord,
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I repent of my sin and
receive you as my Savior
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and Lord. Wash away my sin
and make me completely new.
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I thank you that my sin is removed
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and Satan no longer has any
right to lay claim on me.
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I faithfully promise that
I will serve you as my Lord
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for the rest of my life -
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Amen.
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Thank you for joining Rick Renner today.
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For more information
about Renner Ministries
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and product resources, visit renner.org.
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of the God called Partners of Renner Ministries.