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REBECCA LAMB WEISS: GUYS,
I'M SO EXCITED BECAUSE WE HAVE

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STEVE KANG HERE.


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STEVE KANG: HI.


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REBECCA: THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.

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STEVE: IT'S AN HONOR
TO BE HERE.

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THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.


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REBECCA: OH, IT'S AN HONOR.


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I MEAN, GUYS, POWERFUL
TESTIMONY GOES.

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EXPERIENCES HELL ALSO
EXPERIENCES HEAVEN.

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BUT I WANT TO
GO ALL THE WAY.

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NOW, YOU PUT IT ALL
IN THIS BOOK, RIGHT?

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I GOT EXCITED BECAUSE
VLAD DID YOUR FOREWORD.

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STEVE: OH, YEAH.


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REBECCA: WE LOVE VLAD HERE.


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SO I GOT EXCITED.


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STEVE: I LOVE PASTOR VALD,
YEAH.

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REBECCA: HE'S AWESOME.


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STEVE: YES.


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REBECCA: BUT I WANT TO GO ALL
THE WAY BACK TO THE

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BEGINNING, BECAUSE WHAT I
FOUND SO INTERESTING, IT'S

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SUCH A REDEMPTION STORY.


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BUT YOU WERE BORN
INTO IN KOREA.

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INTO A BUDDHIST FAMILY.


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AND YOU WERE DEDICATED
TO BUDDHA AND HAD

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SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES
GROWING UP.

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SO KIND OF START
IN CHILDHOOD.

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YOU GREW UP IN
BUDDHIST TEMPLES?

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STEVE: YES.


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YES.


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SO, YEAH.


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THANK YOU, REBECCA, FOR
THAT WARM INTRO AND.

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SHALOM.


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YEAH.


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I WAS BORN IN SOUTH KOREA
IN 1979 WHERE CHRISTIANITY

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WAS SPREADING, BUT THEY
STILL DID NOT REACH MY

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FAMILY.


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SO BOTH OF MY PARENTS,
THEY MET IN THE TEMPLE,

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THE ARRANGED MARRIAGE.


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SO MY GRANDPARENTS ON MY
MOTHER AND FATHER'S SIDE

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WERE SUPER BUDDHIST LIKE
BUILDING TEMPLES, DONATING

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ALL THEIR MONEY BECAUSE
MY GRANDPA WAS A WINERY

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OWNER, VERY WEALTHY, AND
HE WAS GIVING EVERYTHING

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AWAY TO BUILD HIS TEMPLE.


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AND THEN VOILA, I WAS
BORN, YOU KNOW, EVEN

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THOUGH I WENT TO
CHRISTIAN KINDERGARTEN.

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CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?


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CALLED TRINITY
KINDERGARTEN.

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I NEVER HEARD THE GOSPEL.


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SO I WAS IN THE TEMPLE
FROM THE AGE OF SIX, AND

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FROM A YOUNG AGE, REBECCA,
I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS.

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I DON'T KNOW IF ALL KIDS
DO THIS, BUT I WAS LIKE,

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LORD, I MEAN, NOT
LORD BACK THEN.

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BUDDHA.


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[LAUGHTER] WHY IS THERE
INJUSTICE IN THIS WORLD?

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WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE
SUFFERING AND SOME PEOPLE

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DIE EARLY?


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WHY ARE SOME
RICH, SOME POOR?

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WHY ARE SOME FED WELL AND
OTHERS ARE VICTIMS TO

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INJUSTICE?


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AND THE MONKS TOLD ME,
STEVE, IT'S BECAUSE OF A

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SUMMATION OF
THEIR PAST LIVES.

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SO YOUR LIFE TOO IS A
SUMMATION OF ALL YOUR PAST

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LIVES.


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AND I SAID, WELL, OKAY, SO
I GET THIS FAIR IN THAT

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SENSE.


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SO WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO?


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AND THEY SAID, TO GET YOUR
SINS FORGIVEN, HAVE A

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BETTER LIFE, YOU NEED
TO START PRAYING.

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AND I SAID,
HOW MANY HOURS?

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AND THEY SAID,
MILLIONS OF YEARS.

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SO I WAS LIKE, WELL,
I BETTER START NOW.

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THEY'RE LIKE, YES,
YOU BETTER START NOW.

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SO IT WAS PART FEAR, PART
DRIVEN TO EARN SALVATION.

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THAT KEPT ME IN THE
BUDDHIST TEMPLES FROM A

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VERY YOUNG AGE.


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I WAS PRAYING FROM
THE AGE OF SIX.

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REBECCA: I KNOW, AND YOU SEE,
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT MUCH

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ABOUT BUDDHISM WHEN I
WAS LISTENING TO ANOTHER

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INTERVIEW OF YOURS.


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AND IT JUST SEEMS
VERY HOPELESS.

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STEVE: YEAH.


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YOU KNOW, I CAN
LAUGH ABOUT IT NOW.

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AND THERE'S A REASON WHY
HIS NAME IS BUDDHA, AND I

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DO THAT IN EVERY CHURCH I
GO TO, AND IT'S HOPELESS

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BECAUSE, LIKE, THERE IS
NO CONCEPT OF MERCY OR

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FORGIVENESS.


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EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS
IS LIKE, YOU DESERVE IT.

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SO.


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SO IT KIND OF ALLOWS
PEOPLE TO TREAT PEOPLE

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VERY INDIFFERENTLY, LIKE,
NOT HELP THE POOR, NOT

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FORGIVE BECAUSE THEY
DESERVE THAT IT'S THEIR

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PAST LIFE SINS.


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WHEREAS IN CHRISTIANITY
YOU HAVE A GOOD GOD WHO'S

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CONSTANTLY INTERACTING
WITH PEOPLE AND SEEING

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EVERYTHING.


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BUT IN BUDDHISM, YOU KNOW,
I'LL BE FRANK WITH YOU.

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I TALKED TO THAT STATUE.


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IT WAS A ONE WAY CONVO AND
I WAS PRAYING NOT EIGHT

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MINUTES A DAY, EIGHT HOURS
A DAY IN FRONT OF THE

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STATUE, HOPING HE WOULD
WINK AT ME AND SAY HELLO.

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BUT HE NEVER
DID ANY OF THAT.

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IT'S A STATUE, RIGHT?


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HIS EYES WERE CLOSED, HIS
BELLY WAS OUT, HIS HAND

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WAS OUT.


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AND NOW I THINK ABOUT IT.


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I THINK HE WAS SAYING I
DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.

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[LAUGHTER]
REBECCA: YEAH.

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STEVE: BUT BACK THEN, I
DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER.

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YEAH.


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REBECCA: NO, I, I WAS I
ADMIRED YOUR DEDICATION.

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I MEAN.


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I IT WAS LIKE,
HOW COULD SOMEONE --

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STEVE: I DID THAT,


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YEAH.


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REBECCA: YEAH.


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BE SO DEDICATED.


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BUT IT WAS INTERESTING
BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU

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WERE DEDICATED TO BUDDHA
AT A YOUNG AGE, GOD HAD A

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PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE AND
WOULD USE YOU NOT ONLY FOR

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YOU TO GET SAVED, BUT TO
IMPACT EVEN YOUR FAMILY.

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WHICH I JUST LOVE STORIES
LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT

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JUST THE ONE PERSON WHO
GETS SAVED, BUT IT'S THE

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RIPPLE EFFECT OF ALL THE
PEOPLE AROUND THEM WHO

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WILL BE IMPACTED.


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SO I LOVE THAT.


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BUT YOU GREW UP, I REALLY
FELT LIKE LONGING FOR GOD,

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LONGING FOR IDENTITY AND
EVEN HAVING SPIRITUAL

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EXPERIENCES, BUT NOT
REALLY UNDERSTANDING, LIKE

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WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT
KIND OF LIKE DARKNESS AND

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LIKE EVEN SEEING DEMONS
AND STUFF OR HAVING

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DREAMS.


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STEVE: YEAH, YEAH.


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EXACTLY.


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REBECCA.


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SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALL
THESE DOORS ARE OPEN OF

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IDOLATRY AND ANCESTRAL
IDOLATRY, WHERE IT'S.

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I WASN'T THE FIRST ONE.
IT RAN IN THE WHOLE

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GENERATION.


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AND UNTIL JESUS CAME, I
LIVED IN SUCH FEAR OF

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DARKNESS, EVIL SPIRITS.


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I WAS SO AFRAID OF THE
DARKNESS THAT I RARELY

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SLEPT WITH THE
LIGHT TURNED OFF.

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YEAH, THAT'S HOW I WAS
AFRAID OF DARKNESS.

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THE INTENSITY OF
LIKE, I DESERVE THIS.

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LIKE WHAT'S NEXT?


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AND BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE
JESUS BACK THEN WHEN EVIL

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SPIRITS CAME TO ME.


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I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.


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WHEN I WAS 6 OR 7 OR 8
YEARS OLD, I USED TO HAVE

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FEVERS, LIKE ONCE A YEAR,
AND WHENEVER I HAD THEM, I

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WOULD SEE HUNDREDS OF
DEMONIC FACES JUST

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FLOATING IN MY ROOM
TALKING TO ME.

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AND I THOUGHT, EVERY KID
GOES THROUGH THAT, OH, THIS IS

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PART OF LIFE.


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AND I FOUND OUT THAT'S NOT
NOT EVERY KID GOES THROUGH

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THAT.


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ESPECIALLY NOT
CHRISTIAN KIDS.

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NO, THE CHRISTIAN BABY
WOULD HAVE REBUKED THAT

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EVIL SPIRIT.


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BUT THEY CAME.


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AND I REMEMBER HAVING
DREAMS OF, LIKE, BUDDHA

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FLOATING IN MY ROOM.


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AND THIS ONE TIME I WAS IN
HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE I WAS

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LIKE, SUPER DEDICATED
IN HIGH SCHOOL.

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AND I WAS PRAYING SO MUCH
THAT IN MY DREAM I SAW

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LIKE A MILLION SNAKES,
LITERALLY TO MY WAIST,

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DEEP IN MY IN MY HOUSE,
LIKE, AND THE MONKS.

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I TOLD THE MONKS I HAD
THIS DREAM AND THEY GO,

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OH, STEVE, YOU'RE
GONNA GET BLESSED.

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AND NOW WE KNOW THAT'S
THAT'S A BIG LIE.

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NO, BECAUSE THE DEVIL
COMES TO STEAL, KILL,

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DESTROY.


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AND THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT HE DID.

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SO I HAD A LOT OF DEMONIC
ENCOUNTERS THINKING

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THAT'S, LIKE, AS
SPIRITUAL AS THINGS GET.

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I DIDN'T SEE THE
KINGDOM OF LIGHT.

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SO IT WAS VERY
INTENSE, VERY FEARFUL.

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THERE WAS NO CONCEPT
OF FORGIVENESS.

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SO WHEN I MET JESUS, I
WENT FROM THIS SCARY CAT,

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YOU KNOW, THAT WAS
AFRAID OF PEOPLE.

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DARKNESS.


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MY DESTINY.


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WHATEVER.


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TO BECOMING A VERY, VERY
BOLD AND VERY FILLED WITH

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JUST GOD'S POWER.


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BECAUSE THE LORD SAYS, IF
YOU GET POWER FROM ABOVE,

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YOU BECOME SO FILLED WITH
HIS GRACE THAT YOU CAN BE

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A WITNESS EVERYWHERE.


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SO IT WAS A NIGHT AND
DAY CHANGE FOR ME.

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REBECCA: YEAH.


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AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK
ABOUT THE FACT THAT IN

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YOUR BOTH OF YOUR FAMILY
LINES, ALL OF THOSE OPEN

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DOORS THAT THE DEMONIC HAD
ACCESS TO YOU AS A CHILD.

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STEVE: YEAH, YEAH.


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SO THERE WAS SO MUCH
CURSES LIKE MY, MY FATHER

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AND MY UNCLE.


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THEY WERE BOTH, LIKE, ON
THE BRINK OF DIVORCE.

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AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY
DAD DIDN'T EVEN LIVE WITH

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ME.


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EVEN THOUGH HE
WAS SUPER WEALTHY.

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THERE WAS NO,
THERE WAS NO.

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LIKE, PRESENCE.


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HE WAS ALWAYS MISSING.


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HE WAS ALWAYS GONE.


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REBECCA: ABSENT.


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STEVE: YEAH.


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HE WAS AN ABSENT FATHER
THAT DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO,

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LIKE, TAKE CARE OF US
BECAUSE HE WAS PURSUING

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MONEY.


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MY UNCLE TOO, DID NOT
LIVE WITH HIS WIFE.

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AND SO THE KIDS
WERE ABANDONED.

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EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE
WEALTHY, THERE WAS NO

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FATHER.


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SO EVEN WHEN I HEARD THE
CONCEPT OF LIKE FATHER

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GOD, I WAS LIKE.


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REBECCA: IT WAS KIND OF FOREIGN.


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STEVE: YEAH.


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I WAS LIKE, DOES THAT MEAN
HE'S GONNA TALK TO ME?

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YEAH, BUT I HAD A POWERFUL
ENCOUNTER WITH HIM WHERE

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HE HE CHANGED ALL THAT
AND, AND GAVE ME A LOT OF

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STRENGTH TO, TO TO NOT
ONLY BE HEALED, BUT TO

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FORGIVE MY DAD AND ALSO TO
LEAD HIM TO CHRIST BECAUSE

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IT TOOK IT TOOK ME TEN
YEARS, TEN YEARS OF

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PRAYER.


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AND NOW HE'S ON FIRE.


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HE'S ON FIRE FOR THE LORD.


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REBECCA: THAT'S SO POWERFUL.


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STEVE: AND OF COURSE, MY MOM AND
MY YOUNGER BROTHER AND MY

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UNCLE TOO.


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HE WAS.


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REBECCA: OH, YOUR UNCLE TOO?


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STEVE: MY UNCLE WAS ONE OF THE
FEW GANGSTERS IN KOREA

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THAT HAD WEAPONS, AND HE
WAS ALWAYS FIGHTING AND

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MOTORCYCLE.


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AND WHEN HE CAME TO
CHRIST, I WAS LIKE, GOD,

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NOTHING'S
IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU.

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IT WAS LIKE THREE YEARS
AFTER MY DAD CAME TO

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CHRIST AND NOW
HE TEXTS ME.

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DID YOU READ THE
BIBLE, STEVE?

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[LAUGHTER]
REBECCA: NO WAY.

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STEVE: SO I'M SO GLAD TO SEE
GOD'S WORD FULFILLED IN MY

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LIFE AND CAN BE FULFILLED
IN ANYONE'S LIFE WHERE IT

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SAYS, BELIEVE IN THE LORD
JESUS AND YOU WILL BE

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SAVED, YOU AND
YOUR HOUSEHOLD.

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THAT INCLUDES ALL YOUR
COUSINS AND PARENTS AND

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UNCLES AND AUNTS AND
NIECES AND NEPHEWS.

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REBECCA: I LOVE THAT SO MUCH.


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STEVE: AMEN.


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REBECCA: SO YOU'RE GROWING UP IN
A BUDDHIST HOME IN KOREA.

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YOUR FATHER IS ABSENT AND
YOU WIND UP MOVING TO

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AMERICA.


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WHAT BROUGHT YOU THERE?


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STEVE: YEAH.


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SO, YOU KNOW, AMERICA WAS
LIKE THE LAND OF DREAMS,

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RIGHT?


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THE LAND OF MOVIES.


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I USED TO WATCH<i>E.T.</i>


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AND<i>THE GOONIES</i> AND
ALL THESE MOVIES.

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I WAS LIKE, THAT LOOKS
LIKE SUCH A COOL COUNTRY

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TO GO TO.


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AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S FUNNY?


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I USED TO PRETEND TO SPEAK
ENGLISH TO THE TO MY

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COUSINS.


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REBECCA: REALLY?


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STEVE: I WAS TALKING GIBBERISH
AND LIKE, OH MY GOSH, YOUR

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ENGLISH IS SO GOOD.


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LITTLE DID I KNOW I WAS
GONNA MOVE TO AMERICA AT

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THE AGE OF NINE BECAUSE MY
MOM IS A REGISTERED NURSE.

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AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED
WAS, EVEN THOUGH MY DAD

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WAS ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST
PEOPLE IN HIS WHOLE STATE,

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WHATEVER THE TOWN,
HE WENT BANKRUPT.

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SO MY MY DAD WAS LIKE,
THERE'S A BETTER LIFE IN

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AMERICA.


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SO MY MOM CAME TO BOSTON
WHERE THEY WERE RECRUITING

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NURSES.


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SHE HAS A DEGREE FROM
LIKE GERMANY AND STUFF.

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SO SHE SPOKE GERMAN,
ENGLISH, KOREAN.

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SO SHE MOVED TO BOSTON AND
THEN AND THEN I MOVED WITH

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HER FOR A BETTER LIFE.


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AND WHEN I CAME TO
AMERICA, I WAS SO BLESSED

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BY THE SIZE OF THE
SUPERMARKETS, BECAUSE IN

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KOREA IN THE 80S, IT WAS
STILL SUPER POOR, LIKE WE

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WERE COMING OUT OF A IT
WAS LIKE THE PROJECT TO

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MAKE KOREA WEALTHIER.


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AND BACK THEN THERE
WAS NO RESTAURANTS, NO

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SUPERMARKETS THAT WERE
BIG, LIKE HAMBURGERS WERE

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RARE, LIKE VERY
DEVELOPING STAGE.

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SO WHEN I CAME TO AMERICA,
I WALKED INTO LIKE RALPHS

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AND STOP AND SHOPS.


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I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH,
LOOK LIKE, OH, LIKE

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CHRISTMAS, THANKSGIVING,
EVEN THE HALLOWEEN, YOU

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KNOW, I WAS A
NONBELIEVER BACK THEN.

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IT WAS SO FUN.


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AND YEAH, IT WAS LIKE A
NIGHT AND DAY CHANGE AS

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WELL.


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REBECCA: SO YOU'RE IN AMERICA
FOR HOW MANY YEARS?

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STEVE: I WAS NINE YEARS
OLD AT THE TIME.

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SO I'M IN MY 40S NOW.


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SO IT WAS LIKE 30-SOMETHING
YEARS AGO.

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YEAH.


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REBECCA: YEAH.


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AND BUT DID YOU EVER HAVE
ANY EXPERIENCE WITH JESUS

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AT THAT POINT?


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STEVE: UNFORTUNATELY NOT.


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I WISH I DID BECAUSE I
WISH I MET GOD WHEN I WAS

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YOUNGER, BUT EVEN THOUGH
I GOT INVITED BY CHURCH

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BECAUSE MANY ASIAN
AMERICANS, ESPECIALLY

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KOREAN AMERICANS, ARE ALL
CHRISTIAN, I WAS THE ONLY,

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I WAS THE ONLY.


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YEAH, I WAS ONLY BUDDHIST.


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AND I WAS LIKE, I GOTTA
BE LOYAL TO MY BUDDHIST

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FAITH.


00:10:00.533 --> 00:10:02.500
SO I REJECTED THE
CHRISTIAN FAITH MANY

00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:03.633
TIMES.


00:10:03.733 --> 00:10:05.000
SO UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T
HAVE ANY ENCOUNTERS WITH

00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:06.100
JESUS.


00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.866
BUT I DID GO THROUGH MORE
IDENTITY CRISIS, MORE

00:10:09.966 --> 00:10:11.233
ADOLESCENCE,
MORE REBELLION.

00:10:11.333 --> 00:10:13.867
SO EVENTUALLY MY DAD WAS
LIKE, HEY, THAT'S ENOUGH.

00:10:13.967 --> 00:10:15.033
SIX YEARS OF
AMERICA IS ENOUGH.

00:10:15.133 --> 00:10:17.766
SO HE BROUGHT ME BACK TO
KOREA TO GO TO AN AMERICAN

00:10:17.866 --> 00:10:19.167
SCHOOL.


00:10:19.267 --> 00:10:20.534
WHERE YOU STUDYING IN KOREA,


00:10:20.634 --> 00:10:22.134
BUT FOR LIKE
INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.

00:10:22.234 --> 00:10:24.633
AND YOU COME BACK TO
AMERICA FOR COLLEGE.

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REBECCA: WHAT WAS HIS
THINKING BEHIND THAT?

00:10:27.167 --> 00:10:29.600
STEVE: OH, HIS THINKING BEHIND
THAT, REBECCA, WAS HE

00:10:29.700 --> 00:10:32.600
WANTED ME TO BE MORE
KOREANIZED AND BE GOOD TO MY

00:10:32.700 --> 00:10:34.133
MOM BECAUSE I
WAS LIKE A REBEL.

00:10:34.233 --> 00:10:34.967
REBECCA: OH.


00:10:35.067 --> 00:10:35.733
WERE YOU GIVING
YOUR MOM GRIEF?

00:10:35.833 --> 00:10:36.667
STEVE: YEAH.


00:10:36.767 --> 00:10:37.866
[LAUGHTER]
STEVE: ADOLESCENCE, RIGHT?

00:10:37.966 --> 00:10:39.334
YEAH, MAYBE.


00:10:39.434 --> 00:10:40.900
MAYBE SOME OF THE PARENTS
CAN RELATE TO THAT.

00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:42.400
SO MY DAD SAID,
YOU KNOW WHAT?

00:10:42.500 --> 00:10:43.767
YOU NEED TO COME BACK
HERE, PRACTICE MORE

00:10:43.867 --> 00:10:45.333
BUDDHISM, STUDY HARDER.


00:10:45.433 --> 00:10:46.866
AND THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT HAPPENED.

00:10:46.966 --> 00:10:49.900
I MOVED BACK TO SOUTH
KOREA AND I WAS STUDYING

00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.033
HARDER.


00:10:51.133 --> 00:10:52.367
SO MY GRADES GOT BETTER
AND THE MONKS WERE LIKE

00:10:52.467 --> 00:10:53.667
DISCIPLING ME.


00:10:53.767 --> 00:10:56.800
MY AUNT WAS LIKE SECOND
IN COMMAND, AND THEY HAD

00:10:56.900 --> 00:10:58.533
SUPERNATURAL POWERS.


00:10:58.633 --> 00:10:59.700
THEY WERE LIKE HEALING
PEOPLE, DOING ALL THESE

00:10:59.800 --> 00:11:00.700
THINGS.


00:11:00.800 --> 00:11:02.766
AND THEY TAUGHT ME
HOW TO PRAY EVERY DAY.

00:11:02.866 --> 00:11:07.433
BUT IT WAS AGAIN, VERY I
WAS STILL SO THERE WAS

00:11:07.533 --> 00:11:09.134
SOMETHING MISSING IN MY
HEART, LIKE I HAD ALL

00:11:09.234 --> 00:11:10.267
THESE THINGS RIGHT.


00:11:10.367 --> 00:11:14.267
EDUCATION, DAD SUPPORTING
ME NOW, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,

00:11:14.367 --> 00:11:15.933
THE BUDDHIST FAITH.


00:11:16.033 --> 00:11:17.667
BUT DEEP IN MY HEART
THERE WAS A HOLE.

00:11:17.767 --> 00:11:21.100
AND THEN JESUS PATCHED
THAT HOLE WHEN HE WHEN HE

00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:22.266
SHOWED UP.


00:11:22.366 --> 00:11:23.333
YEAH, YEAH.


00:11:23.433 --> 00:11:25.467
REBECCA: AND SO WHAT'S
INTERESTING IS YOUR AUNT

00:11:25.567 --> 00:11:30.733
ACTUALLY WENT TO
SHE GOT A HEALING

00:11:30.833 --> 00:11:31.567
THROUGH A BUDDHIST MONK,


00:11:31.667 --> 00:11:32.267
CORRECT?


00:11:32.367 --> 00:11:33.400
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?


00:11:33.500 --> 00:11:34.566
STEVE: YEAH.


00:11:34.666 --> 00:11:37.033
SO SOUTH KOREA HAS 300,000
SELF-PROCLAIMED MESSIAHS.

00:11:37.133 --> 00:11:38.466
THEY ALL SAY
THEY'RE THE CHRIST.

00:11:38.566 --> 00:11:39.567
SO WE.


00:11:39.667 --> 00:11:42.400
I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT
I WAS WE FOLLOWED ONE OF

00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:43.500
THEM.


00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:45.434
AND THIS GUY, WE TOOK A
PICTURE OF HIM AND HE

00:11:45.534 --> 00:11:48.100
BECAME A BALL OF LIGHT
IN THE PHOTOGRAPH.

00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:49.200
HE HEALED.


00:11:49.300 --> 00:11:51.500
IT'S LIKE, LET ME GIVE
YOU A BIBLICAL EXAMPLE SO

00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.200
PEOPLE DON'T GET CONFUSED.


00:11:53.300 --> 00:11:56.467
MOSES, WHEN HE WAS
CONFRONTING PHARAOH'S

00:11:56.567 --> 00:11:59.733
MAGI, THEY COULD FOLLOW
MOSES' MIRACLES TO A

00:11:59.833 --> 00:12:00.966
CERTAIN EXTENT, RIGHT?


00:12:01.066 --> 00:12:03.967
LIKE THE FIRST THREE WHEN
THE PROPHETS OF BAAL CAME.

00:12:04.067 --> 00:12:05.367
I'M SURE THEY DID
SOMETHING TO FOOL THE

00:12:05.467 --> 00:12:07.167
ISRAELITES TO STOP
WORSHIPING THE GOD OF

00:12:07.267 --> 00:12:08.133
ABRAHAM.


00:12:08.233 --> 00:12:10.933
SO THEY DO HAVE
SOME POWERS, BUT.

00:12:11.033 --> 00:12:12.234
REBECCA: IT'S LIMITED POWER.


00:12:12.334 --> 00:12:13.033
STEVE: IT'S LIMITED.


00:12:13.133 --> 00:12:13.667
REBECCA: IT'S DEMONIC POWER.


00:12:13.767 --> 00:12:14.733
STEVE: EXACTLY.


00:12:14.833 --> 00:12:16.200
THAT'S WHY MY AUNT, EVEN
THOUGH SHE GOT HEALED BY

00:12:16.300 --> 00:12:19.933
THIS MONK AND DEDICATED
HER LIFE TO HIM AND MOVED

00:12:20.033 --> 00:12:21.067
IT WAS.


00:12:21.167 --> 00:12:22.200
IT WAS SO BAD FOR HER
MARRIAGE BECAUSE SHE MOVED

00:12:22.300 --> 00:12:23.267
OUT OF THE HOUSE.


00:12:23.367 --> 00:12:24.867
SHE WAS NEVER THERE FOR
HER KIDS BECAUSE THE

00:12:24.967 --> 00:12:26.734
MONKS, LIKE, TOOK
HER, YOU KNOW?

00:12:26.834 --> 00:12:28.467
REBECCA: THAT'S THE
PRODUCT, THOUGH.

00:12:28.567 --> 00:12:29.966
IT'S LIKE WITCHCRAFT.


00:12:30.066 --> 00:12:32.633
SO IT'S LIKE EVEN PEOPLE,
WITCH DOCTORS AND STUFF,

00:12:32.733 --> 00:12:35.667
THEY CAN DO SOMETHING,
BUT IT ALWAYS COMES.

00:12:35.767 --> 00:12:36.767
IT'S ALWAYS CONDITIONAL.


00:12:36.867 --> 00:12:38.334
THERE'S ALWAYS A
PRICE YOU HAVE TO PAY.

00:12:38.434 --> 00:12:39.500
STEVE: EXACTLY.


00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.466
REBECCA: AND YOU'LL END UP
PAYING IN THE LONG RUN.

00:12:41.566 --> 00:12:42.533
STEVE: YEAH.


00:12:42.633 --> 00:12:45.700
AND THE PRICE IS THE
THE SICKNESS CAME BACK.

00:12:45.800 --> 00:12:47.800
AND THEN SHE BECAME,
LIKE, MENTALLY ILL.

00:12:47.900 --> 00:12:49.033
SO I'M STILL
REACHING OUT TO HER.

00:12:49.133 --> 00:12:50.800
A LOT OF MY COUSINS GOT
SAVED, BUT SHE STILL

00:12:50.900 --> 00:12:52.533
HASN'T GOT SAVED YET.


00:12:52.633 --> 00:12:54.100
THAT'S A BIG
PRAYER REQUEST.

00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:54.967
REBECCA: ALL RIGHT,
WELL, PODCAST,

00:12:55.067 --> 00:12:56.266
BE PRAYING
FOR THE AUNTS.

00:12:56.366 --> 00:12:57.633
STEVE: AMEN.


00:12:57.733 --> 00:12:59.234
REBECCA: I WANT HER TO COME IN,
TOO. I WANT THE WHOLE FAMILY IN.

00:12:59.334 --> 00:13:01.034
STEVE: THANK YOU,
THANK YOU REBECCA.

00:13:01.134 --> 00:13:04.467
SO SO YEAH THERE
WAS A PRICE TO PAY.

00:13:04.567 --> 00:13:06.167
REBECCA: BUT THAT IS VERY
DECEPTIVE BECAUSE YOU

00:13:06.267 --> 00:13:08.467
THINK, WOW, THEY HAVE REAL
POWER AND EVEN THE LIGHT

00:13:08.567 --> 00:13:09.633
EMANATING FROM HIM.


00:13:09.733 --> 00:13:11.467
IT'S LIKE, WELL, THE BIBLE
SAYS THAT THE DEVIL CAN

00:13:11.567 --> 00:13:12.866
COME AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT.


00:13:12.966 --> 00:13:16.733
SO IT'S DECEPTION TO LURE
PEOPLE IN AWAY FROM GOD.

00:13:16.833 --> 00:13:17.767
STEVE: YES.


00:13:17.867 --> 00:13:19.967
A LOT OF DECEPTION,
A LOT OF COUNTERFEIT.

00:13:20.067 --> 00:13:22.200
AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE
SAID, LIKE, HE'S HE'S THE

00:13:22.300 --> 00:13:26.100
FIRST ONE, HIS SON'S THE
SECOND PART OF THE THREE,

00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:26.834
3 IN 1.


00:13:26.934 --> 00:13:27.767
IT WAS CRAZY.


00:13:27.867 --> 00:13:29.367
AND THEN I REMEMBER
DOING A PRAYER.

00:13:29.467 --> 00:13:31.633
REBECCA: OH, THIS MONK SAID
HE WAS THE MESSIAH?

00:13:31.733 --> 00:13:32.700
STEVE: YEAH.


00:13:32.800 --> 00:13:33.767
HE SAID, LIKE, HIS SON
WILL BE THE NEXT ONE.

00:13:33.867 --> 00:13:35.166
AND WE ALL BELIEVED HIM
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WE

00:13:35.266 --> 00:13:36.133
DIDN'T HAVE JESUS.


00:13:36.233 --> 00:13:37.133
REBECCA: HOW DID YOU GET
CONNECTED TO HIM?

00:13:37.233 --> 00:13:38.466
STEVE: IT'S SO SILLY.


00:13:38.566 --> 00:13:40.200
JUST MY GRANDPARENTS WERE
GOING TO ALL THESE TEMPLES

00:13:40.300 --> 00:13:41.333
AND THEY LIKED THAT ONE.


00:13:41.433 --> 00:13:44.067
SO EACH TEMPLE HAS LIKE A
PASTOR OR A, IN THIS CASE,

00:13:44.167 --> 00:13:45.267
A MONK LEADER.


00:13:45.367 --> 00:13:46.066
SO HE WAS THAT ONE.


00:13:46.166 --> 00:13:48.034
HE HAD LIKE
5000 DISCIPLES.

00:13:48.134 --> 00:13:51.200
AND WHEN I PRAYED, I WOULD
WRITE THESE LETTERS AND HE

00:13:51.300 --> 00:13:53.633
COULD READ IT AND TELL ME
WHAT I DID IN THE PAST.

00:13:53.733 --> 00:13:56.033
SO I THOUGHT HE WAS IT'S
LIKE PAST PROPHETIC,

00:13:56.133 --> 00:13:56.834
RIGHT?


00:13:56.934 --> 00:13:57.900
HE WOULD TELL
ME EVERYTHING.

00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.033
I WAS LIKE, HOW THE
HECK DID YOU KNOW THAT?

00:13:59.133 --> 00:14:00.500
SO FORTUNE TELLERS CAN DO
THAT, YOU KNOW, LOW LEVEL

00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:05.300
STUFF COMPARED TO
OUR MOST HIGH JESUS.

00:14:05.400 --> 00:14:05.967
REBECCA: AND HE WAS, WASN'T
HE TRAINING YOU IN THAT

00:14:06.067 --> 00:14:06.833
STUFF AS WELL?


00:14:06.933 --> 00:14:07.934
STEVE: YEAH.


00:14:08.034 --> 00:14:09.667
MY AUNT WAS TRAINING ME
HOW TO SEE IN THE SPIRIT

00:14:09.767 --> 00:14:11.967
HOW TO MEDITATE LONGER.


00:14:12.067 --> 00:14:14.400
I'M NOT EXALTING THE DEVIL
AT ALL, BUT THERE WERE

00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:16.834
TIMES WHEN I WOULD DO
THESE MEDITATIONS AND I

00:14:16.934 --> 00:14:19.133
WOULD GET PHYSICAL,
SUPERNATURAL POWERS TO DO

00:14:19.233 --> 00:14:19.800
THINGS.


00:14:19.900 --> 00:14:21.567
AND I'M NOT ON DRUGS.


00:14:21.667 --> 00:14:22.800
YEAH, I DIDN'T
TAKE A RED BULL.

00:14:22.900 --> 00:14:23.767
IT WAS JUST.


00:14:23.867 --> 00:14:25.300
REBECCA: THE MEDITATING
THAT THEY DO.

00:14:25.400 --> 00:14:27.334
STEVE: YEAH, IT BRINGS A LOT
OF OPEN DOORS WITH A LOT

00:14:27.434 --> 00:14:29.000
OF PRICE TO PAY.


00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:31.133
SO I HIGHLY DON'T
RECOMMEND ANY OF THAT.

00:14:31.233 --> 00:14:31.900
JUST PRAY.


00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:33.400
AND JESUS IS
MORE THAN ENOUGH.

00:14:33.500 --> 00:14:35.834
REBECCA: AND EVEN THE FORTUNE
TELLING EVEN TO EXPLAIN

00:14:35.934 --> 00:14:37.133
THAT BECAUSE I HAD A
SPIRITUAL MENTOR THAT WAS

00:14:37.233 --> 00:14:39.133
A PROPHET AND HE
UNDERSTOOD THE SPIRITUAL

00:14:39.233 --> 00:14:40.600
REALM, HAD SUCH A GREAT
UNDERSTANDING OF THE

00:14:40.700 --> 00:14:41.700
BIBLE.


00:14:41.834 --> 00:14:45.500
EVERY FAMILY HAS FAMILIAL
SPIRITS, DEMONS THAT HAVE

00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.133
FOLLOWED YOU AROUND, AND
THEY KNOW THINGS ABOUT

00:14:47.233 --> 00:14:48.900
YOUR LIFE, RIGHT?


00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:50.933
AND SO WHEN SOMEONE'S
FORTUNE TELLING OR TELLING

00:14:51.033 --> 00:14:52.800
YOU THINGS, IT'S LIKE,
HOW WOULD THEY KNOW?

00:14:52.900 --> 00:14:55.700
IT'S BECAUSE THOSE THEY'RE
TALKING TO THOSE SPIRITS.

00:14:55.800 --> 00:14:57.833
IT'S NOT IT'S
NOT THIS GIFT.

00:14:57.933 --> 00:15:00.067
IT'S THAT THEY'RE TALKING
TO A SPIRIT THAT'S

00:15:00.167 --> 00:15:01.800
FOLLOWED YOUR FAMILY
AROUND AND KNOWS THINGS.

00:15:01.900 --> 00:15:03.900
AND SO GOD KNOWS
EVERYTHING.

00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:04.366
STEVE: HE DOES.


00:15:04.466 --> 00:15:05.034
YEAH.


00:15:05.134 --> 00:15:06.166
REBECCA: THEY'RE LIMITED.


00:15:06.266 --> 00:15:07.800
AND SO BUT THIS IS IT'S
IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT

00:15:07.900 --> 00:15:09.533
THIS KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE
ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF IS

00:15:09.633 --> 00:15:10.667
OUT THERE.


00:15:10.767 --> 00:15:11.833
AND AS THE BODY OF CHRIST,
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO

00:15:11.933 --> 00:15:15.800
DISCERN AND UNDERSTAND SO
THAT WE DON'T GET SWEPT UP

00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:17.133
INTO STUFF LIKE THAT.


00:15:17.233 --> 00:15:18.633
PAUL WARNS ABOUT
THAT IN SCRIPTURE.

00:15:18.733 --> 00:15:19.200
STEVE: YEAH.


00:15:19.300 --> 00:15:20.100
AMEN.


00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:21.200
REBECCA, THAT'S
SUCH A GOOD POINT.

00:15:21.300 --> 00:15:23.033
I LOVE HOW YOU SAID
GOD SEES IT ALL.

00:15:23.133 --> 00:15:25.500
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT'S
INTERESTING ALSO IS THESE

00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:27.333
MONKS, THEY ACTUALLY
TALK ABOUT CHURCH A LOT.

00:15:27.433 --> 00:15:29.167
THEY SAY THOSE CHRISTIANS
ARE SO POWERFUL.

00:15:29.267 --> 00:15:32.534
THEY HAVE SUCH HIGH LEVEL
CHI LIKE, RESPECT THEM.

00:15:32.634 --> 00:15:33.600
AND I WAS LIKE,
THAT'S WEIRD.

00:15:33.700 --> 00:15:36.300
LIKE, WHY IS THIS MONK
ADVOCATING CHRISTIANITY?

00:15:36.400 --> 00:15:37.500
SO I JUST THOUGHT
THAT WAS INTERESTING.

00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.033
THEY'LL BE LIKE, GO, GO
VISIT CHURCH, BUT DON'T

00:15:40.133 --> 00:15:41.500
JOIN.


00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:42.666
LEARN FROM THEM.


00:15:42.766 --> 00:15:45.166
AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE BECAUSE LIKE, LIKE

00:15:45.266 --> 00:15:46.633
THE, THE, THE MONK WAS
LIKE, THERE'S MACHINES

00:15:46.700 --> 00:15:49.067
COMING OUT IN THE FUTURE
THAT'S GOING TO MEASURE

00:15:49.167 --> 00:15:51.467
THE SPIRITUAL POWER OF
PEOPLE, AND CHRISTIANS ARE

00:15:51.567 --> 00:15:52.733
GOING TO BE ONE
OF THE HIGHEST.

00:15:52.833 --> 00:15:54.334
AND HE JUST THEY JUST
TALKED ABOUT CHURCHILL.

00:15:54.434 --> 00:15:55.634
I JUST THOUGHT THAT
WAS INTERESTING.

00:15:55.734 --> 00:15:56.166
REBECCA: WOW.


00:15:56.266 --> 00:15:56.733
STEVE: YEAH.


00:15:56.833 --> 00:15:58.267
SO THEY THEY KNOW.


00:15:58.367 --> 00:15:59.767
EVEN THE DEMONS
ARE LIKE, OH.

00:15:59.867 --> 00:16:02.433
REBECCA: OH MY GOODNESS,
THAT'S CRAZY.

00:16:02.533 --> 00:16:04.967
OKAY, SO
YOU'RE IN KOREA.

00:16:05.067 --> 00:16:06.133
YOU FINISH HIGH SCHOOL.


00:16:06.233 --> 00:16:08.067
DID YOU HAVE ANY
ENCOUNTERS THERE WITH

00:16:08.167 --> 00:16:10.133
CHRISTIANS OR ANYTHING
TRYING TO GET YOU TO GO TO

00:16:10.233 --> 00:16:10.800
CHURCH?


00:16:10.900 --> 00:16:11.966
STEVE: I DID, YOU KNOW.


00:16:12.066 --> 00:16:13.166
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOU KNOW,
IT'S FUNNY, LIKE EVERY,

00:16:13.266 --> 00:16:15.000
EVERY YEAR THERE WAS A
RETREAT BECAUSE A LOT OF

00:16:15.100 --> 00:16:18.100
MY SO MY, MY PRIVATE HIGH
SCHOOL, IT WASN'T TOO MANY

00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.466
PEOPLE LIKE 100
KIDS PER CLASS.

00:16:20.566 --> 00:16:23.567
SO ALL THE CHRISTIAN KIDS
WOULD GO TO MY CLASSMATES,

00:16:23.667 --> 00:16:25.800
NOT KIDS, THEY WOULD
GO TO THIS RETREAT ONCE A

00:16:25.900 --> 00:16:27.800
YEAR AND COME BACK FIRED
UP AND GIVE ME A HUG.

00:16:27.900 --> 00:16:29.533
ONCE A YEAR I GET A HUG
FROM MY CHRISTIAN FRIENDS.

00:16:29.633 --> 00:16:30.900
LIKE STEVE,


00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:32.133
I MET JESUS, AND THE
NEXT WEEK THEY WERE BACK

00:16:32.233 --> 00:16:33.934
AT DRINKING AND SMOKING AT
THE NIGHTCLUBS AND I WAS

00:16:34.034 --> 00:16:36.433
LIKE, WHAT IF THE
DISCIPLES OF JESUS LIKE

00:16:36.533 --> 00:16:37.334
THIS,


00:16:37.434 --> 00:16:38.700
HE MUST NOT BE REAL.


00:16:38.800 --> 00:16:41.333
SO BECAUSE OF THEIR
HYPOCRISY, I THOUGHT

00:16:41.433 --> 00:16:43.066
CHRISTIANITY WAS FAKE,
LIKE JESUS WAS A MADE UP

00:16:43.166 --> 00:16:44.167
FIGURE.


00:16:44.267 --> 00:16:46.200
SO EVEN THOUGH I HAD A
BIBLE, MY MOM HAD A BIBLE

00:16:46.300 --> 00:16:47.534
BECAUSE SHE GREW UP
CATHOLIC, SHE WENT TO

00:16:47.634 --> 00:16:48.900
CATHOLIC SCHOOL IN KOREA.


00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.433
SHE TOO BECAME BUDDHIST
FOR SIMILAR REASONS.

00:16:51.533 --> 00:16:52.967
SO I NEVER READ A
VERSE IN MY LIFE.

00:16:53.067 --> 00:16:55.500
I WAS THE ONLY KOREAN KID
THAT NEVER READ A BIBLE

00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.700
VERSE.


00:16:57.800 --> 00:16:59.166
UNTIL LIKE I WAS 19.


00:16:59.266 --> 00:17:02.133
[LAUGHTER]
REBECCA: OH MY GOODNESS.

00:17:02.233 --> 00:17:03.967
SO YOU FINISH HIGH
SCHOOL IN KOREA AND YOU GO

00:17:04.067 --> 00:17:05.767
BACK TO THE STATES
FOR COLLEGE,

00:17:05.867 --> 00:17:06.567
YES?


00:17:06.667 --> 00:17:07.266
CORRECT?


00:17:07.366 --> 00:17:08.367
STEVE: YEAH.


00:17:08.467 --> 00:17:10.300
REBECCA: YOU WENT TO, WHAT
SCHOOL TO STUDY...?

00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:11.400
STEVE: YEAH.


00:17:11.500 --> 00:17:12.533
SO I GOT REJECTED FROM
ALL THE GOOD IVY LEAGUE

00:17:12.633 --> 00:17:14.667
SCHOOLS LIKE HARVARD AND
DARTMOUTH AND COLUMBUS AND

00:17:14.767 --> 00:17:15.267
CORNELL.


00:17:15.367 --> 00:17:16.067
THEY WAITLISTED ME.


00:17:16.167 --> 00:17:18.234
SO I ENDED UP
IN CALIFORNIA.

00:17:18.334 --> 00:17:19.233
IT WAS CALLED.


00:17:19.333 --> 00:17:19.766
REBECCA: WHERE YOU WERE
SUPPOSED TO BE.

00:17:19.866 --> 00:17:20.700
STEVE: YEAH.


00:17:20.800 --> 00:17:22.700
YEAH, WHERE GOD
WAS WAITING FOR ME.

00:17:22.800 --> 00:17:24.567
WELL, HE'S EVERYWHERE, BUT
HE CHOSE CALIFORNIA FOR

00:17:24.667 --> 00:17:25.667
ME.


00:17:25.767 --> 00:17:26.733
AND I GOT INTO A SCHOOL
CALLED POMONA COLLEGE,

00:17:26.833 --> 00:17:30.167
WHICH IS A PRESTIGIOUS
LIBERAL ARTS SCHOOL, AND

00:17:30.267 --> 00:17:31.333
ALL MY FRIENDS
ARE ATTORNEYS.

00:17:31.433 --> 00:17:33.734
NOW, I WAS I WAS ON MY WAY
TO BECOMING AN ATTORNEY

00:17:33.834 --> 00:17:36.134
JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.


00:17:36.234 --> 00:17:38.233
BUT WHEN I WENT THERE, IT
WAS WHEN MY DAD BECAME

00:17:38.333 --> 00:17:39.833
BANKRUPT FOR
THE SECOND TIME.

00:17:39.933 --> 00:17:43.366
[LAUGHTER] SO LIKE, HE
LIKE HE WENT BANKRUPT,

00:17:43.466 --> 00:17:44.533
RIGHT?


00:17:44.633 --> 00:17:46.133
SO MY MOM MOVED TO BOSTON,
AND THEN HE GOT WEALTHY

00:17:46.233 --> 00:17:48.433
AGAIN, AND THEN HE
GOT BANKRUPT AGAIN.

00:17:48.533 --> 00:17:50.300
BUT THIS TIME IT WASN'T
HIS FAULT BECAUSE THE

00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:51.800
WHOLE COUNTRY WENT
THROUGH A RECESSION.

00:17:51.900 --> 00:17:54.567
SORT OF LIKE THE 2008
MORTGAGE CRISIS.

00:17:54.667 --> 00:17:57.434
SO THAT'S WHEN I ENDED UP
NOT BEING ABLE TO COME

00:17:57.534 --> 00:17:58.534
BACK TO KOREA.


00:17:58.634 --> 00:18:01.333
AND THAT'S WHEN I THINK
GOD STARTED MOVING IN MY

00:18:01.433 --> 00:18:04.200
LIFE POWERFULLY, BECAUSE
WHEN I SAW MY DAD GO FROM

00:18:04.300 --> 00:18:07.467
RICHES TO RAGS, MY
HEART WAS OPEN TO OTHER

00:18:07.567 --> 00:18:09.633
RELIGIONS AND GODS,
INCLUDING MY MOM.

00:18:09.733 --> 00:18:10.900
SHE WAS OPEN AS WELL.


00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:11.733
WE WERE


00:18:11.833 --> 00:18:13.300
SO PRIDEFUL,
STUCK IN OUR WAYS.

00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:15.433
I HAD MY WHOLE
LIFE PLANNED OUT.

00:18:15.533 --> 00:18:18.267
A LOT OF WEALTH, A LOT
OF HOUSES, WHATEVER.

00:18:18.367 --> 00:18:20.000
SO WHEN ALL THAT
DISAPPEARED, THE BIBLE

00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:22.100
SAYS, YOU KNOW, NOT MANY
OF YOU WERE WISE OR

00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:24.334
WEALTHY OR MIGHTY
WHEN YOU MET GOD.

00:18:24.434 --> 00:18:27.267
MANY OF YOU WERE POOR,
DESPISING THE EYES OF THE

00:18:27.367 --> 00:18:28.767
WORLD WHEN YOU MET GOD.


00:18:28.867 --> 00:18:30.800
SO THAT'S WHEN ME AND MY
FAMILY MET GOD AS WELL.

00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:31.733
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:18:31.833 --> 00:18:33.400
IT'S WHEN YOU'RE
SHAKEN AND USUALLY AT

00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:35.266
YOUR LOWEST, I'M ALWAYS
LIKE, WHY DON'T YOU BE?

00:18:35.366 --> 00:18:36.633
WHY ARE SO MANY OF US HAVE
TO HIT ROCK BOTTOM FOR US

00:18:36.733 --> 00:18:38.234
TO FINALLY ACCEPT GOD?


00:18:38.334 --> 00:18:39.433
BUT IT'S JUST
SUPER COMMON.

00:18:39.533 --> 00:18:40.500
I THINK IT'S YOU HAVE
TO GET TO THE END OF

00:18:40.600 --> 00:18:41.033
YOURSELF.


00:18:41.133 --> 00:18:41.766
STEVE: AMEN.


00:18:41.866 --> 00:18:42.367
I LOVE THAT, YEAH.


00:18:42.467 --> 00:18:43.234
END OF YOURSELF.


00:18:43.334 --> 00:18:43.767
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:18:43.867 --> 00:18:44.233
SO YOU'RE


00:18:44.333 --> 00:18:45.300
IN COLLEGE,


00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:46.866
YOUR DAD CALLS YOU UP AND
SAYS, I DON'T HAVE ANY

00:18:46.966 --> 00:18:47.767
MONEY.


00:18:47.867 --> 00:18:48.934
AND SO WHAT IS THAT?


00:18:49.034 --> 00:18:50.867
YOU'RE OUT ON
YOUR OWN NOW,

00:18:50.967 --> 00:18:51.633
KIND OF?


00:18:51.733 --> 00:18:52.600
STEVE: YEAH.


00:18:52.700 --> 00:18:53.600
SO THAT WAS A SHOCKER.


00:18:53.700 --> 00:18:54.667
SO I CALLED
ALL MY FRIENDS.

00:18:54.767 --> 00:18:56.433
I SAID, HEY, MY DAD
JUST WENT BANKRUPT.

00:18:56.533 --> 00:18:58.033
CAN I STAY AT YOUR
HOUSE FOR A MONTH?

00:18:58.133 --> 00:19:01.400
AND 99% OF THEM SAID, NO,
YOU CANNOT STAY MY HOUSE

00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:02.433
FOR A MONTH.


00:19:02.533 --> 00:19:04.300
BUT THE ONLY FRIEND THAT
SAID, YES, I CAN STAY AT

00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:05.433
YOUR HOUSE FOR A MONTH.


00:19:05.533 --> 00:19:08.367
MY HOUSE FOR A MONTH WAS
MY FRIEND FROM HIGH SCHOOL

00:19:08.467 --> 00:19:11.000
WHO ALREADY KIND OF TURNED
THE CORNER AND WENT TO THE

00:19:11.100 --> 00:19:13.500
OTHER SIDE AND BECAME A
DRUG DEALER, AND THERE WAS

00:19:13.600 --> 00:19:14.933
A GANG RUNNING
IN HIS HOUSE.

00:19:15.033 --> 00:19:17.267
I DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE
HIS MOM WAS A CHRISTIAN.

00:19:17.367 --> 00:19:18.300
AND CHECK THIS OUT.


00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.467
HIS MOM WAS ACTUALLY
PRAYING THAT I WOULD GET

00:19:20.567 --> 00:19:24.000
SAVED AND BECOME A
PASTOR AND PREACH TO HER

00:19:24.100 --> 00:19:26.633
NON-BELIEVING SON
AND THEIR FRIENDS.

00:19:26.733 --> 00:19:27.566
AND I'M THE BUDDHIST.


00:19:27.666 --> 00:19:28.400
ISN'T THAT FUNNY?


00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:29.466
REBECCA: SHE KNEW.


00:19:29.566 --> 00:19:30.800
STEVE: YEAH, SHE KNEW
SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY

00:19:30.900 --> 00:19:33.066
WERE ALL CHRISTIAN, BUT
THEY WERE ALL SELLING

00:19:33.166 --> 00:19:34.534
DRUGS AND GETTING
HIGH EVERY DAY.

00:19:34.634 --> 00:19:36.634
I DON'T REMEMBER BEING
SOBER FOR ONE MINUTE THAT

00:19:36.734 --> 00:19:37.266
WHOLE SUMMER.


00:19:37.366 --> 00:19:37.900
WE GOT HIGH.


00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:38.567
MORNING.


00:19:38.667 --> 00:19:39.100
AFTERNOON.


00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:39.600
EVENING.


00:19:39.700 --> 00:19:40.200
MORNING.


00:19:40.300 --> 00:19:41.300
AFTERNOON, EVENING.


00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.167
I JUST REMEMBER CARRYING,
LIKE, NOT GUNS, BUT THEY

00:19:43.267 --> 00:19:46.733
WERE CARRYING GUNS I HAD
TO CARRY SOMETIMES WITH

00:19:46.833 --> 00:19:47.534
JANSPORT BAGS OF WEED.


00:19:47.634 --> 00:19:48.234
WE WERE
TRANSPORTING STUFF.

00:19:48.334 --> 00:19:49.000
I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING.


00:19:49.100 --> 00:19:50.433
IT WAS JUST
LIKE A BIG BLUR.

00:19:50.533 --> 00:19:52.433
[LAUGHTER]
REBECCA: THAT'S CRAZY.

00:19:52.533 --> 00:19:53.667
STEVE: YEAH, AND I JUST
THOUGHT IT WAS A PART OF,

00:19:53.767 --> 00:19:55.267
LIKE, SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA LIFE.

00:19:55.367 --> 00:19:56.367
EVERYONE DOES THIS.


00:19:56.467 --> 00:19:58.734
I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, DO
IT FOR THREE MONTHS AND

00:19:58.834 --> 00:20:00.967
I'LL GO BACK TO
STUDYING LAW.

00:20:01.067 --> 00:20:04.467
BUT WHEN I CAME OUT OF
THAT DRUG SUMMER OF 1998,

00:20:04.567 --> 00:20:07.933
I DON'T I WAS SO HIGH AND
MY BRAIN WAS SO DAMAGED I

00:20:08.033 --> 00:20:11.867
COULD NOT EVEN READ LIKE
ONE SENTENCE IN THE IN THE

00:20:11.967 --> 00:20:13.933
IN MY, IN MY, IN MY CLASS.


00:20:14.033 --> 00:20:17.500
NOT ONLY THAT, THE LAST
DRUG I DID WHEN I CAME

00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:19.866
BACK TO SCHOOL WAS NOW
THIS IS THE DEATH BOWL

00:20:19.966 --> 00:20:20.933
STORY.


00:20:21.033 --> 00:20:22.166
REBECCA: WHAT WERE YOU
DOING BEFORE?

00:20:22.266 --> 00:20:23.667
WERE YOU DOING JUST A
MYRIAD OF THINGS BEFORE

00:20:23.767 --> 00:20:24.834
THE DEATH BALL?


00:20:24.934 --> 00:20:27.267
STEVE: YEAH, I MEAN, I DID
SOME HARD DRUGS, BUT ONLY,

00:20:27.367 --> 00:20:28.900
LIKE ONCE, LIKE
A FEW RAVES AND.

00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:29.966
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:20:30.066 --> 00:20:31.133
BUT IT WAS MAINLY JUST
THE CONSISTENCY OF BEING

00:20:31.233 --> 00:20:32.400
HIGH.


00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:33.733
JUST KIND OF LIKE
MESSED WITH YOUR BRAIN?

00:20:33.833 --> 00:20:34.800
STEVE: YEAH.


00:20:34.933 --> 00:20:37.200
AND I THINK IN THE MIDST
OF THAT, LIKE, MAYBE SOME

00:20:37.300 --> 00:20:40.400
PEOPLE HAVE HIGH DRUG
TOLERANCE, I DIDN'T.

00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:42.600
YEAH I TAKE ONE
HIT I'M GONE.

00:20:42.700 --> 00:20:43.167
I WAS NOT.


00:20:43.267 --> 00:20:44.200
MADE FOR, I WAS,


00:20:44.300 --> 00:20:46.167
I WAS NOT
MADE FOR DRUGS.

00:20:46.267 --> 00:20:47.067
REBECCA: WHAT GOT YOU TO


00:20:47.167 --> 00:20:48.733
DO THE, TO DO
THE DEATH BALL?

00:20:48.833 --> 00:20:50.133
STEVE: SO THE DEATH BALL
WAS NOT A CHOICE.

00:20:50.233 --> 00:20:51.834
IT JUST LOOKED
LIKE MARIJUANA.

00:20:51.934 --> 00:20:52.734
REBECCA: DEATH BOWL.


00:20:52.834 --> 00:20:53.666
I DON'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT DRUGS.

00:20:53.766 --> 00:20:54.366
OKAY.


00:20:54.466 --> 00:20:55.100
DEATH BOWL.


00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:55.866
[LAUGHTER]
STEVE: I'M GLAD.

00:20:55.966 --> 00:20:56.600
REBECCA:
I CALLED IT A BALL.

00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:57.800
[LAUGHTER]
REBECCA: OKAY.

00:20:57.900 --> 00:21:00.034
STEVE: THE DEATH BALL
HIT MY FACE AND

00:21:00.134 --> 00:21:00.900
THEN I GET HIGH.


00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.034
REBECCA: OH MY GOSH.


00:21:02.134 --> 00:21:03.000
OKAY, I GOTTA
GET IT TOGETHER.

00:21:03.100 --> 00:21:04.300
SO IT'S A DEATH BOWL.


00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:06.166
IT WAS JUST THERE
AT HIS HOUSE?

00:21:06.266 --> 00:21:07.333
STEVE: NO, IT WASN'T
EVEN AT HIS HOUSE.

00:21:07.433 --> 00:21:08.266
IT WAS A DIFFERENT GUY.


00:21:08.366 --> 00:21:10.467
SO HE HE THEY WERE
SUPPOSEDLY FRIENDS.

00:21:10.567 --> 00:21:12.000
I WAS BACK IN SCHOOL
ALREADY FOR MY SOPHOMORE

00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:12.567
YEAR.


00:21:12.667 --> 00:21:13.733
REBECCA: OKAY.


00:21:13.833 --> 00:21:14.533
STEVE: AND THEN HE'S LIKE,
STEVE, I HAVE REALLY GOOD

00:21:14.633 --> 00:21:15.434
STUFF.


00:21:15.534 --> 00:21:16.100
LET'S JUST GET
HIGH ONE MORE TIME.

00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:17.233
I WAS LIKE, YEAH, SURE.


00:21:17.333 --> 00:21:19.967
SO HE BRINGS THIS WEED AND
A DEATH BOWL IS JUST A

00:21:20.067 --> 00:21:22.534
STREET LANGUAGE FOR
REGULAR LOOKING WEED.

00:21:22.634 --> 00:21:26.000
THAT'S THAT'S LACED WITH
HEROIN, COCAINE AND PCP

00:21:26.100 --> 00:21:27.100
AND EVERY OTHER DRUG.


00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.100
SO 50% OF PEOPLE WHO SMOKE
HEROIN ACTUALLY END UP

00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:31.200
COMMITTING SUICIDE.


00:21:31.300 --> 00:21:33.667
SO I WAS GOING TO BE ONE
AND TWO DIE BY SUICIDE.

00:21:33.767 --> 00:21:34.800
THAT'S HOW POWERFUL IT IS.


00:21:34.900 --> 00:21:37.200
IT'S LIKE FENTANYL LEVEL,
SO I SMOKED IT'S A LITTLE

00:21:37.300 --> 00:21:37.966
BIT WEAKER THAN FENTANYL.


00:21:38.066 --> 00:21:39.700
SO I SMOKED
THIS DEATH BOWL.

00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:42.133
AND WHEN IT HIT ME, I
KNEW THIS WASN'T WEED.

00:21:42.233 --> 00:21:43.833
I WAS LIKE, THIS
IS NOT WEED.

00:21:43.933 --> 00:21:47.033
BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN I
LOSE TRACK OF TIME, DATE

00:21:47.133 --> 00:21:49.800
WHO I AM, AND I CAN'T
EVEN SPEAK ANYMORE.

00:21:49.900 --> 00:21:50.467
AND THAT --


00:21:50.567 --> 00:21:51.267
REBECCA: THAT'S SCARY.


00:21:51.367 --> 00:21:51.867
STEVE: IT IS.


00:21:51.967 --> 00:21:52.667
IT LASTED TEN DAYS.


00:21:52.767 --> 00:21:54.533
REBECCA: TEN DAYS?!


00:21:54.633 --> 00:21:55.667
STEVE: SO I GO TO CLASS,


00:21:55.767 --> 00:21:57.534
REBECCA, AND I DON'T EVEN
KNOW WHAT CLASS I'M IN.

00:21:57.634 --> 00:21:59.300
AND MY FRIENDS ARE LIKE,
STEVE, LIKE HELLO, LIKE

00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:00.600
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.


00:22:00.700 --> 00:22:02.634
THEY THEY THREW A PARTY
FOR ME DURING THIS TIME.

00:22:02.734 --> 00:22:03.534
REBECCA: NO, THEY DID NOT.


00:22:03.634 --> 00:22:04.434
STEVE: THEY DID.


00:22:04.534 --> 00:22:05.600
I JUST SAT THERE
THE WHOLE TWO HOURS.

00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:06.967
REBECCA: TRIPPING OUT.


00:22:07.067 --> 00:22:08.100
STEVE: I GIVE A


00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:09.333
SPEECH AND I WAS VERY
GOOD AT TALKING AND I JUST

00:22:09.433 --> 00:22:09.967
SAT THERE.


00:22:10.067 --> 00:22:12.034
I WAS LIKE, WHERE AM I?


00:22:12.134 --> 00:22:13.833
AND THEY'RE LIKE, THIS IS
NOT THE STEVE WE KNOW.

00:22:13.933 --> 00:22:15.733
SO MY MOM GOT CONCERNED.


00:22:15.833 --> 00:22:18.367
REBECCA: WHAT DID THE FRIENDS
SAY THAT YOU SMOKED WITH?

00:22:18.467 --> 00:22:20.300
STEVE: THEY I THINK THEY
WERE GONE TO SOMEWHERE.

00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.100
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:22.366
OFF ON THAT
CRAZY DRUG TRIP.

00:22:22.466 --> 00:22:23.267
STEVE: YEAH.


00:22:23.367 --> 00:22:24.866
A LOT OF THEM GOT,
LIKE, DEPORTED.

00:22:24.966 --> 00:22:26.166
SOME OF THEM DIED.


00:22:26.266 --> 00:22:28.133
SO I'M VERY FORTUNATE
TO BE ALIVE, YOU KNOW,

00:22:28.233 --> 00:22:28.933
SERVING GOD.


00:22:29.033 --> 00:22:30.234
I NEVER TAKE
THAT FOR GRANTED.

00:22:30.334 --> 00:22:32.066
REBECCA: YEAH, YEAH.


00:22:32.166 --> 00:22:33.300
STEVE: AND AND I REMEMBER MY
MOM GOES, THE GODS ARE

00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:34.234
MAD.


00:22:34.334 --> 00:22:35.100
YOU GOTTA PRAY MORE.


00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:35.800
STEVE.


00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:36.533
YOU HAVEN'T PRAYED ENOUGH.


00:22:36.633 --> 00:22:37.434
SO WE.


00:22:37.534 --> 00:22:38.166
I CAME BACK
HOME, LIKE, QUIT SCHOOL.

00:22:38.266 --> 00:22:39.034
REBECCA: OH, YEAH, BECAUSE SHE


00:22:39.134 --> 00:22:39.666
WAS BUDDHIST.


00:22:39.766 --> 00:22:40.100
STEVE: YEAH.


00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:41.166
SO WE WERE.


00:22:41.266 --> 00:22:44.133
SO IT WAS LIKE DRUGS AND
BUDDHISM, LIKE 2 IN 1.

00:22:44.233 --> 00:22:46.767
NOW IT'S LIKE TWO
BAD OPEN DOORS.

00:22:46.867 --> 00:22:49.734
AND SHOULD I GO INTO
WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?

00:22:49.834 --> 00:22:50.667
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:22:50.767 --> 00:22:52.167
ONE THING THAT'S
IMPORTANT TOO IS LIKE ON

00:22:52.267 --> 00:22:53.234
THIS TEN DAY BENDER.


00:22:53.334 --> 00:22:54.366
NOT BENDER, BUT


00:22:54.466 --> 00:22:55.866
TRIP.


00:22:55.966 --> 00:22:57.666
YOU WEREN'T
ABLE TO SLEEP?

00:22:57.766 --> 00:22:59.633
STEVE: NO, I DIDN'T GET
ONE SECOND OF REST OR

00:22:59.733 --> 00:23:00.734
SLEEP.


00:23:00.834 --> 00:23:02.167
REBECCA: SO THAT WOULD MAKE
YOU GO CRAZY, TOO.

00:23:02.267 --> 00:23:04.467
YOU CAN ALSO DIE FROM
NOT GETTING SLEEP.

00:23:04.567 --> 00:23:06.467
STEVE: YEAH, I HAD A
MENTAL BREAKDOWN.

00:23:06.567 --> 00:23:07.834
IT WAS SO BAD.


00:23:07.934 --> 00:23:12.600
AROUND THE FIFTH DAY, I
LOOKED IN THE MIRROR AND

00:23:12.700 --> 00:23:13.433
MY MY WHITE EYELIDS
WERE LIKE, GONE.

00:23:13.533 --> 00:23:14.400
IT WAS ALMOST ALL
BLACK AND I WAS.

00:23:14.500 --> 00:23:15.767
WHO WAS THAT
LOOKING AT ME?

00:23:15.867 --> 00:23:17.966
I COULDN'T RECOGNIZE
MYSELF IN THE MIRROR.

00:23:18.066 --> 00:23:20.066
AND YOU KNOW THE
MOVIE,<i>POLTERGEIST</i> ?

00:23:20.166 --> 00:23:22.400
I LIVED THROUGH THAT LIKE
CUPS WERE FALLING AND ME

00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:23.533
AND MY MOM WERE
LIKE, SCREAMING.

00:23:23.633 --> 00:23:26.134
AND WE BOUGHT THIS
BUDDHIST WRITING THAT WAS

00:23:26.234 --> 00:23:28.167
SUPPOSED TO BRING
BLESSINGS TO OUR HOUSE.

00:23:28.267 --> 00:23:30.300
IT'S A PIECE OF PAPER.


00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:32.300
IT LOOKS LIKE WEIRD ALIEN
WRITING NOW THAT I THINK

00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:33.833
ABOUT IT.


00:23:33.933 --> 00:23:36.133
BUT IT WAS GOING LIKE LIKE
SNAPPING, LIKE METALLIC

00:23:36.233 --> 00:23:37.366
NOISES.


00:23:37.466 --> 00:23:38.134
REBECCA: SO STUFF WAS
GOING ON IN YOUR

00:23:38.234 --> 00:23:39.366
HOUSE WHILE THIS
WAS HAPPENING?

00:23:39.466 --> 00:23:40.033
STEVE: SO ME AND MY MOM GOT --


00:23:40.133 --> 00:23:40.734
REBECCA: IT WASN'T


00:23:40.834 --> 00:23:41.900
JUST THE BENDER?


00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.734
STEVE: THIS WAS PHYSICAL
BECAUSE MY MOM HEARD IT

00:23:43.834 --> 00:23:44.867
AND SAW IT TOO.


00:23:44.967 --> 00:23:46.900
NOW IT'S LIKE ON A WHOLE
NOTHER LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW,

00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:48.166
HORROR MOVIE.


00:23:48.266 --> 00:23:48.933
REBECCA: YEAH.
DEMONIC ATTACK.

00:23:49.033 --> 00:23:49.700
STEVE: DEMONIC MANIFESTATION.


00:23:49.800 --> 00:23:51.133
YEAH.


00:23:51.233 --> 00:23:54.867
SO AS THAT HAPPENED, I
GOT MORE SCARED AND THE

00:23:54.967 --> 00:23:56.666
INTENSITY GOT
WORSE EVERY DAY.

00:23:56.766 --> 00:23:58.200
LIKE FIRST DAY
WAS I WAS HIGH.

00:23:58.300 --> 00:24:00.034
SECOND DAY I WAS
LIKE STRESSED.

00:24:00.134 --> 00:24:01.166
THIRD DAY DEPRESSED.


00:24:01.266 --> 00:24:04.766
FOURTH DAY LIKE, IT'S
LIKE PSYCHO BREAKDOWN.

00:24:04.866 --> 00:24:08.733
AND AROUND THE EIGHTH DAY
OF THIS HELL ON EARTH, I

00:24:08.833 --> 00:24:10.633
HAD AN ENCOUNTER
WITH THE DEVIL.

00:24:10.733 --> 00:24:12.634
BUT HE DIDN'T COME TO ME
WITH PITCHFORKS AND HORNS

00:24:12.734 --> 00:24:13.767
BECAUSE THEN I WOULD KNOW.


00:24:13.867 --> 00:24:15.800
HE CAME TO ME AS
AN ASIAN GRANDPA.

00:24:15.900 --> 00:24:18.400
AND HE SAID, STEVE, I KNOW
YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME.

00:24:18.500 --> 00:24:19.533
IF YOU COMMIT.


00:24:19.633 --> 00:24:22.167
IF YOU KILL YOURSELF, I
WILL GIVE YOU 50,000 LESS

00:24:22.267 --> 00:24:23.100
YEARS OF HELL.


00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.266
SO I'M DOING THE MATH.


00:24:24.366 --> 00:24:26.067
HE CAME TO ME AS A NICE
LOOKING ASIAN GRANDPA WITH

00:24:26.167 --> 00:24:27.033
A BEARD.


00:24:27.133 --> 00:24:28.800
SO I WAS LIKE, WOW,
MY SAVIOR'S HERE.

00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:31.634
AND HE GOES, IF YOU KILL
YOURSELF, I WILL GIVE YOU

00:24:31.734 --> 00:24:33.867
50,000 LESS YEARS OF HELL.


00:24:33.967 --> 00:24:34.833
SO I'M DOING THE MATH.


00:24:34.933 --> 00:24:37.733
TWO MINUTES OF PHYSICAL
PAIN FOR 50,000.

00:24:37.833 --> 00:24:39.267
THERE'S A FIRE BURNING.


00:24:39.367 --> 00:24:40.667
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT
HELL IS BECAUSE IN

00:24:40.767 --> 00:24:42.000
BUDDHISM THERE IS NO HELL.


00:24:42.100 --> 00:24:43.567
BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT
IT BECAUSE BUDDHISM IS A

00:24:43.667 --> 00:24:45.933
MUMBO JUMBO OF HELL,
HEAVEN AND REINCARNATION.

00:24:46.033 --> 00:24:48.100
YEAH, THERE'S NO SET RULES
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A

00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:48.933
MADE UP RELIGION.


00:24:49.033 --> 00:24:50.434
SO.


00:24:50.534 --> 00:24:52.567
SO I WENT TO THE KITCHEN,
BUT BEFORE I DID, I WROTE

00:24:52.667 --> 00:24:53.700
MY MOM A LETTER.


00:24:53.800 --> 00:24:55.233
I SAID, MOM, I'M SO SORRY
FOR FAILING YOU IN THIS

00:24:55.333 --> 00:24:57.667
LIFE, BUT I'M GOING TO GO
AHEAD OF YOU INTO THE NEXT

00:24:57.767 --> 00:24:58.467
ONE.


00:24:58.567 --> 00:24:59.900
I CAN'T STAND
THIS ANYMORE.

00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.334
I'M GOING TO OFFER MY LIFE
TO BUDDHA AND LIKE, I'M

00:25:03.434 --> 00:25:04.167
GONNA SEE YOU.


00:25:04.267 --> 00:25:05.600
I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF.


00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:08.000
AND SHE READ THAT, AND
SHE WAS JUST WEEPING.

00:25:08.100 --> 00:25:09.033
WEEPING.


00:25:09.133 --> 00:25:10.300
SO SHE STARTED CALLING
THE BUDDHIST MONKS.

00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:11.633
I STARTED CALLING THEM TOO.


00:25:11.733 --> 00:25:13.233
IS THERE ANY
ANY OTHER WAY?

00:25:13.333 --> 00:25:15.500
AND THE MONKS WHO I
NEVER ASKED FOR HELP.

00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:16.634
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME
I ASKED THEM FOR HELP.

00:25:16.734 --> 00:25:19.933
THEY GO, OH, STEVE, WE'RE
DOING A SILENT PRAYER AND

00:25:20.033 --> 00:25:21.266
WE CAN ANSWER
ANYTHING YOU ASK.

00:25:21.366 --> 00:25:23.000
REBECCA: OH, WOW.


00:25:23.100 --> 00:25:24.166
STEVE: AND BACK IN THOSE DAYS,
IT WAS LIKE $4 A MINUTE.

00:25:24.266 --> 00:25:26.066
SO I KEEP CALLING THEM,
YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP SAYING

00:25:26.166 --> 00:25:27.700
THE SAME THING,
HANGING UP ON ME.

00:25:27.800 --> 00:25:29.634
AND I WAS LIKE, WOW.


00:25:29.734 --> 00:25:31.366
REBECCA: WOW, THEY WEREN'T EVEN
THERE IN ALL YOUR LIFE.

00:25:31.466 --> 00:25:33.033
YOU WERE SO DEDICATED
AND YOUR FAMILY WAS SO

00:25:33.133 --> 00:25:34.400
DEDICATED.


00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:35.700
YOU GAVE MONEY.


00:25:35.800 --> 00:25:36.867
STEVE: YEAH. SO MY MOM FELT
BETRAYED AND SHE WAS LIKE, WHY

00:25:36.967 --> 00:25:38.067
ISN'T BUDDHA HELPING?


00:25:38.167 --> 00:25:39.400
LIKE WE GAVE
EVERYTHING TO HIM.

00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:41.100
IF HE'S A REAL GOD,
SOMETHING SHOULD BE

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:41.800
HAPPENING.


00:25:41.900 --> 00:25:42.867
BUT IT GOT
WORSE AND WORSE.

00:25:42.967 --> 00:25:45.200
SO SHE'S LIKE BEGINNING
TO DOUBT, LIKE BUDDHISM,

00:25:45.300 --> 00:25:46.233
RIGHT?


00:25:46.333 --> 00:25:47.267
BECAUSE HER WHOLE LIFE
SHE WAS VERY DEVOUT,

00:25:47.367 --> 00:25:48.567
AS WELL.


00:25:48.667 --> 00:25:52.467
SO ON THE NINTH DAY,
TENTH DAY, I JUST SNAPPED

00:25:52.567 --> 00:25:53.600
AND I SAID, THIS IS IT.


00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:55.700
SO I WENT TO THE KITCHEN
ON THE TENTH DAY.

00:25:55.800 --> 00:25:58.733
THIS IS IN IRVINE, BY THE
WAY, AND, AND I GRABBED

00:25:58.833 --> 00:26:00.100
THE BIGGEST KNIFE
I COULD FIND.

00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.234
I GOT ON MY KNEES AND I
REMEMBER WHILE I WAS ON MY

00:26:03.334 --> 00:26:06.234
KNEES, I WAS LIKE, FINALLY
I GET TO ESCAPE THIS PAIN,

00:26:06.334 --> 00:26:07.500
BUT I'VE NEVER KILLED
MYSELF BEFORE.

00:26:07.600 --> 00:26:09.267
I JUST SAW A MOVIE LIKE A
SAMURAI MOVIE WHERE THEY

00:26:09.367 --> 00:26:10.134
GO, HA HA!


00:26:10.234 --> 00:26:11.766
AND I WAS LIKE, I'LL
DO ONE OF THOSE.

00:26:11.866 --> 00:26:15.167
BUT AS I PRESS THE
KNIFE IN, IT'S HURT.

00:26:15.267 --> 00:26:16.467
I WAS LIKE, THIS IS
GONNA HURT A LOT.

00:26:16.567 --> 00:26:18.233
AND MY MOM WALKS IN THE
LIVING ROOM AND SHE SEES

00:26:18.333 --> 00:26:20.633
ME, AND I SAW HER IN THE
CORNER OF MY EYE AND SHE

00:26:20.733 --> 00:26:22.467
CALLS 911.


00:26:22.567 --> 00:26:23.900
SO I'M THERE, LIKE,
THINKING, LIKE, HOW CAN I

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.200
GET THIS OVER WITH?


00:26:25.300 --> 00:26:26.333
BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE
DRUGGED OUT, DEMON

00:26:26.433 --> 00:26:28.067
POSSESSED, DEPRESSED, NO


00:26:28.167 --> 00:26:30.700
JESUS, THAT'S ALL
YOU HAVE LEFT.

00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:32.567
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW THIS

00:26:32.667 --> 00:26:36.067
STATISTIC, BUT IN AMERICA,
50 PEOPLE COMMIT SUICIDE

00:26:36.167 --> 00:26:37.467
EVERY DAY.


00:26:37.567 --> 00:26:38.800
IN SOUTH KOREA, 40.


00:26:38.900 --> 00:26:39.900
IT'S NEVER ON THE NEWS.


00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.800
SO A HUNDRED PEOPLE COMMIT
SUICIDE FROM OUR TWO

00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:43.600
COUNTRIES EVERY DAY.


00:26:43.700 --> 00:26:45.100
AND THEY ALL, MOST
OF THEM SUCCEED.

00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:46.534
I WAS GOING TO
BECOME A STATISTIC.

00:26:46.634 --> 00:26:49.534
THAT'S WHY LATER I BECAME
A LIEUTENANT IN THE US

00:26:49.634 --> 00:26:52.933
ARMY, A CHAPLAIN, AND MY
MY SOLE JOB DESCRIPTION

00:26:53.033 --> 00:26:56.200
WAS PREVENT SUICIDE
OF PTSD SOLDIERS.

00:26:56.300 --> 00:26:57.367
REBECCA: WOW.


00:26:57.467 --> 00:26:58.300
STEVE: AND I WAS GOOD AT IT
BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT THEY

00:26:58.400 --> 00:26:58.900
WENT THROUGH.


00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.000
REBECCA: YEAH, YEAH.


00:27:00.100 --> 00:27:02.333
STEVE: SO ANYWAYS, IT'S
ALL BY GOD'S GRACE.

00:27:02.433 --> 00:27:07.234
AND I'M THERE ON MY KNEES
AND I LOOK TO MY RIGHT AND

00:27:07.334 --> 00:27:07.767
THE COPS CAME.


00:27:07.867 --> 00:27:08.400
THIS IS IRVINE.


00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:09.700
THERE'S SO MANY COPS.


00:27:09.800 --> 00:27:11.000
WELL FUNDED CITY.


00:27:11.100 --> 00:27:12.700
I WAS LIKE, HOW THE
HECK DID THEY GET HERE?

00:27:12.800 --> 00:27:15.200
AND THE GRANDPA GOES,
IT'S NOW OR NEVER.

00:27:15.300 --> 00:27:15.766
REBECCA: OH,


00:27:15.866 --> 00:27:16.333
HE APPEARED AGAIN?


00:27:16.433 --> 00:27:17.434
STEVE: YEAH.


00:27:17.534 --> 00:27:17.933
SO HE'S LIKE, HE DIDN'T
APPEAR, BUT HE'S TALKING

00:27:18.033 --> 00:27:18.967
TO ME, OKAY.


00:27:19.067 --> 00:27:19.967
HE'S LIKE, NOW
OR NEVER, STEVE.

00:27:20.067 --> 00:27:21.533
SO I'M LIKE, OH,
LIKE, WHAT DO I DO?

00:27:21.633 --> 00:27:23.634
AND THE COPS RUN, THEY
GO PUT THE KNIFE DOWN.

00:27:23.734 --> 00:27:26.700
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, SHOULD
I PUT IT LIKE, I GOTTA GET

00:27:26.800 --> 00:27:27.733
OUT OF HERE, RIGHT?


00:27:27.833 --> 00:27:29.600
I GOTTA GO TO HEAVEN,
I GOTTA ESCAPE HELL.

00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:31.434
BECAUSE NOW EVERYTHING'S
LIKE, I HAVE NO IDEA

00:27:31.534 --> 00:27:32.266
WHAT'S GOING ON.


00:27:32.366 --> 00:27:34.034
I JUST HAD TO
ESCAPE THIS PAIN.

00:27:34.134 --> 00:27:35.466
SO I CUT MYSELF AND.


00:27:35.566 --> 00:27:36.634
AND IT WENT DEEP.


00:27:36.734 --> 00:27:39.033
LIKE MY, YOU KNOW,
THE WHOLE SCAR.

00:27:39.133 --> 00:27:41.834
I SHARED IT AT RETREATS.


00:27:41.934 --> 00:27:42.933
AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN
I EVANGELIZE, I LIFT MY

00:27:43.033 --> 00:27:45.434
SHIRT, I GO SEE
GOD IS REAL.

00:27:45.534 --> 00:27:46.267
AND THEN THERE'S
SCARS ALL

00:27:46.367 --> 00:27:46.967
THE WAY DOWN.


00:27:47.067 --> 00:27:47.600
REBECCA: IT'S A LONG SCAR.


00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:48.767
I REMEMBER SEEING IT.


00:27:48.867 --> 00:27:49.734
IT'S ON YOUR STOMACH.


00:27:49.834 --> 00:27:51.400
SO YOU,
LIKE, WENT DOWN.

00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:52.400
STEVE: I GUESS.


00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:53.533
YEAH, BUT THERE'S
SCARS ON THE SIDE, TOO.

00:27:53.633 --> 00:27:55.700
AND THEN WHEN IT WASN'T
WORKING AND THE COPS

00:27:55.800 --> 00:27:57.867
JUMPED ON ME AND THE DEVIL
WAS LIKE, HURRY UP, HURRY

00:27:57.967 --> 00:27:59.000
UP.


00:27:59.100 --> 00:28:00.400
LIKE, YOU KNOW, HE REALLY
WANTS PEOPLE DEAD, RIGHT?

00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:01.766
I WENT FOR THE NECK.


00:28:01.866 --> 00:28:03.767
SO I REMEMBER STABBING
MYSELF LIKE TEN TIMES TO

00:28:03.867 --> 00:28:04.933
GO TO HEAVEN.


00:28:05.033 --> 00:28:07.034
SO I HAVE SCARS
ALL OVER MY NECK.

00:28:07.134 --> 00:28:08.100
MY FINGER BROKE.


00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:09.934
SO BECAUSE THEY HIT ME
WITH A BAT AND YOU KNOW,

00:28:10.034 --> 00:28:11.767
IT DOESN'T BEND ANYMORE,
BUT IT WILL AT THE

00:28:11.867 --> 00:28:12.666
RESURRECTION.


00:28:12.766 --> 00:28:13.533
GOD'S GOING TO
REDEEM MY BODY.

00:28:13.633 --> 00:28:14.900
REBECCA: GLORIFIED BODY.


00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.100
STEVE: I WAS GONNA GET LIKE,
LASIK SURGERY AND AND I

00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:18.700
FELT LIKE THE LORD WAS
SAYING, STEVE, JUST LEAVE

00:28:18.800 --> 00:28:19.533
IT FOR MY GLORY.


00:28:19.633 --> 00:28:21.400
I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU.


00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:22.467
I GOT YOU.


00:28:22.567 --> 00:28:23.300
REBECCA: IT'S
YOUR TESTIMONY.

00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.300
STEVE: YEAH, EXACTLY.


00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:25.167
REBECCA: LIKE, YOU
DON'T BELIEVE ME?

00:28:25.267 --> 00:28:26.334
LOOK, I HAVE SCARS
TO PROVE IT.

00:28:26.434 --> 00:28:27.666
STEVE: I KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE
ARE, LIKE, ASKING FOR

00:28:27.766 --> 00:28:28.300
PROOF.


00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:29.500
LIKE, WHERE'S THIS SCAR?


00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:31.033
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING
A LOT OF INTERVIEWS, AND

00:28:31.133 --> 00:28:33.334
SKEPTICS ARE LIKE,
SHOW US THE SCARS.

00:28:33.434 --> 00:28:35.133
SO HERE I AM.


00:28:35.233 --> 00:28:36.067
REBECCA: BUT THE DEVIL,


00:28:36.167 --> 00:28:37.000
I JUST HAVE TO
MAKE THIS POINT.

00:28:37.100 --> 00:28:39.267
THE DEVIL WAS TRYING
SO DESPERATELY.

00:28:39.367 --> 00:28:41.467
LIKE THE REASON WHY STUFF
WAS BREAKING IN YOUR

00:28:41.567 --> 00:28:42.567
HOUSE, THE


00:28:42.667 --> 00:28:44.366
INTENSITY AND THEN HIM
APPEARING TO YOU AND THEN

00:28:44.466 --> 00:28:46.533
HIM SAYING, HURRY UP AND
DO IT AS HE WAS TRYING

00:28:46.633 --> 00:28:48.800
EVERYTHING HE COULD IN HIS
POWER TO GET YOU TO HELL.

00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:50.000
STEVE: BECAUSE YEAH,
YOU'RE RIGHT.

00:28:50.100 --> 00:28:52.133
YOU'RE SO I'M SO GLAD YOU
MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE HE

00:28:52.233 --> 00:28:56.700
IS SO IN ENMITY AND HATRED
AND JEALOUSY OF GOD, THAT

00:28:56.800 --> 00:29:00.167
NOT ONLY DID HE WANT HIS
THRONE, HE CAN'T TOUCH

00:29:00.267 --> 00:29:00.800
GOD.


00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.700
NO ONE CAN TOUCH GOD.


00:29:01.800 --> 00:29:03.600
SO HE HE TOUCHES HIS KIDS.


00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:04.700
YEAH, HE ATTACKS HIS KIDS.


00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:08.133
SO GOD USES THAT TO TRAIN
US TO BECOME SPIRITUAL

00:29:08.233 --> 00:29:11.367
WARRIORS, BECAUSE FAITH
IS ALL ABOUT FIGHTING THE

00:29:11.467 --> 00:29:13.900
GOOD FIGHT, PERSEVERING
IN THE SPIRIT.

00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.367
AND YOU KNOW, YOU
DON'T HAVE TO BE.

00:29:15.467 --> 00:29:17.267
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A
SIX PACK IN MUSCLES TO IT.

00:29:17.367 --> 00:29:18.866
YOU CAN BE A LITTLE
KID OR GRANDMA.

00:29:18.966 --> 00:29:20.767
ACTUALLY, THEY'RE
THE STRONGEST

00:29:20.867 --> 00:29:21.800
IN THE SPIRIT.


00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:23.700
AND AND THAT'S WHY I
BELIEVE GOD ALLOWED THIS

00:29:23.800 --> 00:29:25.333
FOR ME TO GO THROUGH THIS.


00:29:25.433 --> 00:29:30.033
SO I CUT MYSELF OPEN, AND...


00:29:30.133 --> 00:29:30.700
REBECCA: THE COPS ARE TRYING TO


00:29:30.800 --> 00:29:31.733
STOP YOU.


00:29:31.833 --> 00:29:32.300
STEVE: YEAH, THEY'RE HITTING
ME WITH THE BAT.

00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.000
THEY'RE MACING ME.


00:29:33.100 --> 00:29:35.033
IT WAS SO PAINFUL.


00:29:35.133 --> 00:29:36.367
LIKE, I PRAY
NOBODY GETS MACED.

00:29:36.467 --> 00:29:39.900
IT'S LIKE HAVING HOT SAUCE
UP YOUR NOSE AND, LIKE, IT

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.466
JUST STAYS THERE.


00:29:41.566 --> 00:29:43.400
SO I DROPPED
THE KNIFE, AND.

00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.933
AND MY MOM SAID THE ENTIRE
LIVING ROOM WAS COVERED

00:29:46.033 --> 00:29:47.067
WITH BLOOD.


00:29:47.167 --> 00:29:48.966
SHE TOLD ME LATER THERE
WAS NOT ONE AREA THAT WAS

00:29:49.066 --> 00:29:49.867
NOT BLOODY.


00:29:49.967 --> 00:29:50.767
THAT'S HOW BLOODY IT GOT.


00:29:50.867 --> 00:29:53.000
AND I'M ON A STRETCHER.


00:29:53.100 --> 00:29:55.033
I LOSE CONSCIOUSNESS
BECAUSE WHEN THEY HIT YOU

00:29:55.133 --> 00:29:57.033
WITH THE BAT IT REALLY
HURTS AND I ALREADY I'M

00:29:57.133 --> 00:29:59.433
ALREADY CUT UP LIKE
ARTERIES WERE CUT.

00:29:59.533 --> 00:30:01.767
AND I'M ON THIS STRETCHER
AND AS I'M GETTING CARRIED

00:30:01.867 --> 00:30:07.066
OUT, I SEE I'M GOING
IN AND OUT OF MY BODY.

00:30:07.166 --> 00:30:09.567
NOW I'M HAVING
AN OB, REBECCA.

00:30:09.667 --> 00:30:13.100
AND I'M ALSO HAVING A NDE
NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE.

00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:14.667
SO ONE MINUTE I'M
IN ETERNITY.

00:30:14.767 --> 00:30:16.400
ONE MINUTE I'M
BACK ON EARTH.

00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:17.533
AND I WAS LIKE, OH
MY GOSH, I'M DYING.

00:30:17.633 --> 00:30:19.000
I JUST KNEW.


00:30:19.100 --> 00:30:22.267
AND THEY'RE CARRYING ME TO
THE UCI MEDICAL CENTER,

00:30:22.367 --> 00:30:23.300
WHICH WAS THE CLOSEST OR


00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.267
WITH A BLOOD SPECIALIST
FOR THE OPERATION.

00:30:26.367 --> 00:30:28.100
AND AS I'M HEADING THERE,
AS MY SPIRIT LEAVES MY

00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:31.333
BODY, I THOUGHT I WAS
GOING TO GO UP AND, LIKE,

00:30:31.433 --> 00:30:33.534
SEE THE GRANDPA AND, LIKE,
FLY UP TO HEAVEN AND SEE

00:30:33.634 --> 00:30:34.900
SOMETHING GOOD.


00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:36.633
BUT I STARTED SINKING, AND
IT FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW,

00:30:36.733 --> 00:30:38.333
WHEN YOU RIDE A ROLLER
COASTER, IT JUST FELT LIKE

00:30:38.433 --> 00:30:39.534
THAT.


00:30:39.634 --> 00:30:40.566
BUT IT JUST NEVER WENT UP.


00:30:40.666 --> 00:30:42.833
SO IT FELT LIKE AN
ELEVATOR THAT HAD NO CABLE

00:30:42.933 --> 00:30:46.167
AND JUST AND I'M LIKE,
OH MY GOSH, DID I MAKE A

00:30:46.267 --> 00:30:46.834
MISTAKE?


00:30:46.934 --> 00:30:48.500
LIKE, THIS IS NOT HEAVEN.


00:30:48.600 --> 00:30:50.334
AND AS I'M GOING IN AND
OUT OF MY BODY, I JUST

00:30:50.434 --> 00:30:51.666
KNEW THIS IS IT.


00:30:51.766 --> 00:30:56.666
LIKE I'M ENTERING ETERNAL
DEATH, ETERNAL SEPARATION.

00:30:56.766 --> 00:30:58.666
SO I FALL, FALL, FALL
FOR WHAT FELT LIKE FIVE

00:30:58.766 --> 00:31:02.200
MINUTES AND LIKE,
BOOM, I LAND.

00:31:02.300 --> 00:31:05.866
AND I LOOK AROUND AND I'M
LIKE, OKAY, SO HERE I AM.

00:31:05.966 --> 00:31:08.400
THE WHOLE PLACE IS
CROWDED WITH PEOPLE.

00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:10.900
AND LIKE, I WAS LIKE,
WELL, THERE'S PEOPLE.

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.500
BUT I COULDN'T SEE THEIR
FACES LIKE ADULT BODIES,

00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:16.800
VERY SIMILAR, BUT JUST
OUTLINED CONTOURS.

00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:19.166
AND I LOOKED TO THE I LOOK
UP AND IT'S JUST PITCH

00:31:19.266 --> 00:31:19.966
DARK.


00:31:20.066 --> 00:31:21.267
I WAS LIKE, OH,
I'M IN HELL.

00:31:21.367 --> 00:31:22.900
I JUST KNEW I'M IN HELL.


00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.534
AND I LOOK AT THE BOTTOM,
THERE'S LIKE PURPLE

00:31:24.634 --> 00:31:26.500
REDDISH ROCKS EVERYWHERE.


00:31:26.600 --> 00:31:28.466
THERE'S A CLIFF NEXT TO
ME, THERE'S NO PLANTS, NO

00:31:28.566 --> 00:31:30.334
ANIMALS, NO LIFE.


00:31:30.434 --> 00:31:32.867
AND THE FEAR, THE ANXIETY,
THE HOPELESSNESS I FELT ON

00:31:32.967 --> 00:31:35.467
EARTH JUST
INCREASED EVEN MORE.

00:31:35.567 --> 00:31:37.100
SO I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH,
I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:37.700
ESCAPE.


00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:38.767
HELL, IT WAS SO BAD.


00:31:38.867 --> 00:31:39.667
THOSE TEN DAYS.


00:31:39.767 --> 00:31:40.800
NOW IT'S WORSE.


00:31:40.900 --> 00:31:44.433
NOT ONLY IS IT WORSE, I
LOOK UP AND THERE'S DEMONS

00:31:44.533 --> 00:31:47.333
WITH CAPES AND THEY'RE
HUGE AND THEY'RE THEY'RE

00:31:47.433 --> 00:31:48.433
LIKE, HERE, HERE, HERE.


00:31:48.533 --> 00:31:50.500
AND I KNEW THEY WERE LIKE
IN CHARGE OF THIS PLACE.

00:31:50.600 --> 00:31:53.733
AND I GO, OH MY GOSH,
I MADE A HUGE MISTAKE.

00:31:53.833 --> 00:31:55.733
IT'S TOO LATE, THOUGH,
BECAUSE SUPERNATURALLY I

00:31:55.833 --> 00:31:59.400
KNEW I WAS A SINNER FOR
THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE.

00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:02.433
REBECCA, I WAS LIKE, WHAT?


00:32:02.533 --> 00:32:04.833
BECAUSE ON EARTH, I WAS
A PRETTY GOOD BUDDHIST.

00:32:04.933 --> 00:32:05.500
YOU KNOW?


00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:06.600
I NEVER KILLED ANYBODY.


00:32:06.700 --> 00:32:08.667
I'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING
DESERVING OF HELL,

00:32:08.767 --> 00:32:11.366
I THOUGHT. I STOLE ONCE
WHEN I WAS A KID.

00:32:11.466 --> 00:32:13.867
IT WAS A CHOCOLATE
BAR, LIKE 10 CENTS,

00:32:13.967 --> 00:32:15.234
YOU KNOW?


00:32:15.334 --> 00:32:17.367
AND I SOLD DRUGS,
BUT ONLY WEED, RIGHT?

00:32:17.467 --> 00:32:20.134
LIKE I NEVER SOLD DRUGS
THAT KILL PEOPLE.

00:32:20.234 --> 00:32:22.333
SO IN MY EYES, I
WAS VERY RIGHTEOUS.

00:32:22.433 --> 00:32:23.834
LIKE, I'M A GOOD PERSON.


00:32:23.934 --> 00:32:25.800
BUT RIGHT WHEN I LANDED
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY

00:32:25.900 --> 00:32:27.567
LIFE, I KNEW I DESERVED TO
BE THERE, WHICH I THOUGHT

00:32:27.667 --> 00:32:28.467
WAS VERY INTERESTING.


00:32:28.567 --> 00:32:29.766
I WAS LIKE, HOW
DO I KNOW THIS?

00:32:29.866 --> 00:32:30.833
BUT THIS IS
WHERE I BELONG.

00:32:30.933 --> 00:32:32.634
AND NUMBER TWO, I KNEW
I WAS GOING TO BE HERE

00:32:32.734 --> 00:32:33.833
FOREVER.


00:32:33.933 --> 00:32:34.633
THIS IS IT.


00:32:34.733 --> 00:32:36.133
LIKE NOT 50,000
YEARS LESS.

00:32:36.233 --> 00:32:37.067
IT WAS ALL A LIE.


00:32:37.167 --> 00:32:39.066
I KNEW I GOT TRICKED
AND I'M DUPED.

00:32:39.166 --> 00:32:41.834
AND AND THE PHYSICAL,
SPIRITUAL, EMOTIONAL,

00:32:41.934 --> 00:32:43.834
SOCIAL, WHATEVER
INTELLECTUAL PAIN THAT YOU

00:32:43.934 --> 00:32:48.000
FEEL IS SOMETHING THAT
I PRAY NOBODY EVER

00:32:48.100 --> 00:32:49.033
EXPERIENCES.


00:32:49.133 --> 00:32:51.233
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO ON
FIRE FOR EVANGELISM.

00:32:51.333 --> 00:32:52.767
THAT'S WHY WE PREACH
EVERYWHERE WE GO.

00:32:52.867 --> 00:32:55.367
I WAS ON I WAS PREACHING
TO A BUNCH OF MORMON

00:32:55.467 --> 00:32:58.100
COLLEGE STUDENTS
ON THE WAY HERE.

00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.066
THERE WAS LIKE 30 OF
THEM ON THE PLANE.

00:32:59.166 --> 00:33:01.767
I WAS TELLING ALL OF
THEM, JESUS, DON'T

00:33:01.867 --> 00:33:02.300
READ THE


00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.133
BOOK OF MORMON.


00:33:03.233 --> 00:33:05.066
JESUS, THE BIBLE
ONLY, ONLY JESUS.

00:33:05.166 --> 00:33:08.600
SO YEAH, I EXPERIENCED
HELL FIRSTHAND.

00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:12.067
I SAW CELLS ON THE ON THE
CLIFFS WHERE I KNEW I WAS

00:33:12.167 --> 00:33:13.666
GOING TO GO IN THERE
AND GET TORTURED.

00:33:13.766 --> 00:33:15.600
I WAS LIKE, OH MY
GOSH, I'M NEXT.

00:33:15.700 --> 00:33:17.966
AND THAT FEELING OF
ETERNAL SEPARATION FROM

00:33:18.066 --> 00:33:21.933
GOD SHOULDN'T BE FELT BY
PEOPLE BECAUSE IT SAYS IN

00:33:22.033 --> 00:33:24.800
THE BIBLE, GOD DESIRES
ALL PEOPLE TO BE SAVED.

00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:26.767
HE DESIRES ALL
PEOPLE TO BE SAVED.

00:33:26.867 --> 00:33:28.833
BUT PEOPLE GO THERE
BECAUSE THEY DON'T.

00:33:28.933 --> 00:33:30.333
THEY CHOOSE TO GO THERE.


00:33:30.433 --> 00:33:32.067
SO I BELIEVE IN FREE
WILL AND ALL THAT.

00:33:32.167 --> 00:33:33.767
I USED TO BE LIKE,
GOD SENDS PEOPLE.

00:33:33.867 --> 00:33:35.433
GOD WANTS EVERYBODY
IN HEAVEN.

00:33:35.533 --> 00:33:37.667
SO FREE WILL IS SO REAL.


00:33:37.767 --> 00:33:39.900
CHOICE IS WHAT MAKES A
HUMAN A HUMAN AND LOVE,

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:40.900
LOVE AND GOD.


00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.100
GOD.


00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:43.833
REBECCA: AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE
WE'RE MADE IN HIS IMAGE.

00:33:43.933 --> 00:33:45.467
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE,
THE BIGGEST ASPECTS OF

00:33:45.567 --> 00:33:46.966
THAT IS HE GAVE
US FREE WILL.

00:33:47.066 --> 00:33:47.600
STEVE: YEAH.


00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:48.700
WE'RE MADE IN HIS IMAGE.


00:33:48.800 --> 00:33:50.367
WE WERE DESIGNED TO BE
WITH GOD LIKE FISH WITH

00:33:50.467 --> 00:33:52.467
WATER, YOU KNOW, LIKE
PLANTS WITH SOIL.

00:33:52.567 --> 00:33:53.233
REBECCA: BUT HE WON'T


00:33:53.333 --> 00:33:54.100
FORCE US TO BE THERE.


00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:54.700
STEVE: THANK YOU.


00:33:54.800 --> 00:33:55.500
YEAH, HE WILL NOT.


00:33:55.734 --> 00:33:56.533
AND BECAUSE HE'S A
GENTLEMAN, HE'S A HE'S A

00:33:56.633 --> 00:33:57.234
KING.


00:33:57.334 --> 00:33:59.066
KINGS DON'T FORCE, A ROYAL


00:33:59.166 --> 00:34:01.200
KING DOESN'T FORCE HIS
SUBJECTS TO OBEY HIM.

00:34:01.300 --> 00:34:03.633
THEY DO SO BECAUSE THEY
WANT TO SERVE A KING LIKE

00:34:03.733 --> 00:34:04.300
JESUS.


00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:04.866
REBECCA: EXACTLY.


00:34:04.966 --> 00:34:05.533
STEVE: THERE'S NO.


00:34:05.633 --> 00:34:06.700
THERE'S NO BETTER KING.


00:34:06.800 --> 00:34:08.133
SO HERE I AM, EXPERIENCING
ETERNAL SEPARATION FROM

00:34:08.233 --> 00:34:09.833
GOD.


00:34:09.933 --> 00:34:12.633
AND I LIKE WHAT A PASTOR
QUOTED IN SOUTH KOREA.

00:34:12.733 --> 00:34:14.400
HE HAS LIKE 300,000
MEMBERS IN HIS CHURCH.

00:34:14.500 --> 00:34:17.066
I WAS LOOKING FOR QUOTES
ON HELL, AND HE SAID, HELL

00:34:17.166 --> 00:34:20.067
IS THE PERFECT JUDGMENT
FROM A PERFECT GOD AGAINST

00:34:20.167 --> 00:34:23.367
HIS PERFECT ENEMIES AND A
PERFECT WAY SO IT CAN'T

00:34:23.467 --> 00:34:24.433
GET WORSE THAN HELL.


00:34:24.533 --> 00:34:26.367
IT WAS CREATED FOR THE
DEVIL AND HIS ANTICHRIST

00:34:26.467 --> 00:34:29.100
AND THE FALSE PROPHET AND
THE WICKED, YOU KNOW?

00:34:29.200 --> 00:34:32.600
SO I WAS MEDITATING ON,
LIKE JEREMIAH, ISAIAH OF

00:34:32.700 --> 00:34:35.034
PSALMS, OF GOD'S
PUNISHMENT ON THE WICKED,

00:34:35.134 --> 00:34:37.767
BECAUSE GOD SAVES, BUT HE
ALSO JUDGES EVERY DAY,

00:34:37.867 --> 00:34:41.100
LIKE PEOPLE FORGET IN THIS
COOKIE CUTTER, YOU KNOW,

00:34:41.200 --> 00:34:43.667
SOFT BARBIE CULTURE,
EXCUSE ME, ALPHABET CLUB

00:34:43.767 --> 00:34:47.900
CULTURE, THAT GOD IS
A FEROCIOUS WARRIOR.

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.966
HE'S THE MOST FEROCIOUS,
POWERFUL, HOLY BEING THAT

00:34:52.066 --> 00:34:54.067
ANYONE, EVERYONE
SHOULD FEAR.

00:34:54.167 --> 00:34:55.333
NO ONE SHOULD
FEAR EACH OTHER.

00:34:55.433 --> 00:34:57.467
WE SHOULD LOVE EACH OTHER
AND SERVE EACH OTHER.

00:34:57.567 --> 00:34:59.700
BUT GOD, WE MUST
FEAR AND RESPECT.

00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.366
SO HELL IS REAL AND IT
PROVES THAT AND HEAVEN IS

00:35:02.466 --> 00:35:03.200
REAL.


00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:04.634
SO I EXPERIENCED
HELL FIRSTHAND.

00:35:04.734 --> 00:35:06.534
I PRAY EVEN LIKE KIM JONG
IL DOESN'T GO THERE.

00:35:06.634 --> 00:35:08.567
I SEE PUTIN KILLING
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

00:35:08.667 --> 00:35:09.867
I SEE ALL THESE
EVIL LEADERS.

00:35:09.967 --> 00:35:11.967
I GO, LORD, GIVE
THEM A CHANCE.

00:35:12.067 --> 00:35:13.233
REBECCA: YEAH, THAT'S
HOW BAD IT IS.

00:35:13.333 --> 00:35:14.833
STEVE: YES, YES, YES, EXACTLY.


00:35:14.933 --> 00:35:16.267
REBECCA: THAT YOU WOULDN'T
WANT ANYONE TO GO THERE.

00:35:16.367 --> 00:35:17.434
WHAT WERE THE
PEOPLE DOING?

00:35:17.534 --> 00:35:19.367
BECAUSE YOU SAW TONS
OF PEOPLE THERE.

00:35:19.467 --> 00:35:22.067
STEVE: YOU KNOW, I DON'T I HAD
A VERY VISUAL EXPERIENCE,

00:35:22.167 --> 00:35:23.200
BUT I DIDN'T SEE
THEM DOING ANYTHING.

00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:24.800
I WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN.


00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:26.967
THERE'S NO, LIKE, MENTAL
CAPACITY TO WALK UP TO

00:35:27.067 --> 00:35:28.767
SOMEBODY AND GO, HEY,
WHERE ARE YOU FROM?

00:35:28.867 --> 00:35:29.433
I'M FROM IRVINE.


00:35:29.533 --> 00:35:30.300
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I MADE


00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:30.934
A MISTAKE.


00:35:31.034 --> 00:35:31.467
REBECCA: YOU'RE JUST


00:35:31.567 --> 00:35:31.933
PURE SUFFERING.


00:35:32.033 --> 00:35:32.733
STEVE: YEAH.


00:35:32.833 --> 00:35:33.934
YOU'RE JUST
PURE SUFFERING.

00:35:34.034 --> 00:35:35.667
THERE'S NO BREAK TO, LIKE,
THERE'S NO MENTAL BREAK TO

00:35:35.767 --> 00:35:36.700
GO.


00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:37.233
OH, MAN.


00:35:37.333 --> 00:35:37.867
I MADE A MISTAKE.


00:35:37.967 --> 00:35:38.500
I USED TO BE A BUDDHIST.


00:35:38.600 --> 00:35:39.033
LIKE.


00:35:39.133 --> 00:35:39.967
NICE TO MEET YOU.


00:35:40.067 --> 00:35:42.000
NO GREETING, NO CONVO,
NO CONVERSATION.

00:35:42.100 --> 00:35:44.800
YOU'RE JUST SUFFERING BY
YOURSELF WITH OTHERS.

00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:47.533
THERE'S NO ROOM OR LOVE
OR SOCIAL CAPACITY TO

00:35:47.633 --> 00:35:48.833
INTERACT.


00:35:48.933 --> 00:35:50.333
IT'S JUST ETERNAL.


00:35:50.433 --> 00:35:53.433
ETERNAL, ETERNAL
DAMNATION, CONDEMNATION

00:35:53.533 --> 00:35:55.334
THAT JESUS WARNS ABOUT.


00:35:55.434 --> 00:35:56.434
ALL THROUGHOUT
THE SCRIPTURE.

00:35:56.534 --> 00:35:58.733
HE TALKS ABOUT HELL MORE
THAN HEAVEN FOR A REASON.

00:35:58.833 --> 00:36:01.000
SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT
THEY WERE DOING BECAUSE I

00:36:01.100 --> 00:36:02.266
WAS JUST IN SO MUCH AGONY.


00:36:02.366 --> 00:36:03.666
THERE'S NO I
DON'T REMEMBER.

00:36:03.766 --> 00:36:04.833
THERE WAS STANDING
THERE, THOUGH.

00:36:04.933 --> 00:36:06.134
I REMEMBER
BEING WITH THEM.

00:36:06.234 --> 00:36:07.067
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:36:07.167 --> 00:36:08.433
AND THE DEMONS WERE
TORTURING PEOPLE.

00:36:08.533 --> 00:36:09.666
STEVE: YEAH.


00:36:09.766 --> 00:36:11.000
I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE
TORTURING ITSELF, BUT

00:36:11.100 --> 00:36:14.034
THEY WERE THERE WITH CAPES
AND WALKING AROUND LIKE I

00:36:14.134 --> 00:36:15.666
KNEW THEY WERE GODS.


00:36:15.766 --> 00:36:17.000
AND I WAS LIKE,
WHAT THE HECK?

00:36:17.100 --> 00:36:18.067
LIKE, WHAT ARE
THESE THINGS?

00:36:18.167 --> 00:36:19.434
BUT I KNEW THEY WERE IN
CHARGE OF THE PLACE.

00:36:19.534 --> 00:36:20.333
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:36:20.433 --> 00:36:21.733
OKAY.


00:36:21.833 --> 00:36:23.933
SO HOW DO YOU GET OUT?


00:36:24.033 --> 00:36:25.433
BECAUSE YOU'RE
HERE RIGHT NOW.

00:36:25.533 --> 00:36:25.900
STEVE: YEAH.


00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.966
I'M HERE.


00:36:27.066 --> 00:36:29.333
OH, MY GOSH, I'M SO GLAD
TO BE ALIVE, REBECCA.

00:36:29.433 --> 00:36:31.633
SOMETIMES, LIKE, I
DON'T NEED ANYTHING.

00:36:31.733 --> 00:36:33.133
I'M JUST SO GLAD
TO BE ALIVE.

00:36:33.233 --> 00:36:34.233
REBECCA: YEAH, I WOULD


00:36:34.333 --> 00:36:35.500
FEEL THE SAME WAY.


00:36:35.600 --> 00:36:36.934
STEVE: AND THE REASON WHY I'M
HERE IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE

00:36:37.034 --> 00:36:38.067
IT'S THE PRAYER.


00:36:38.167 --> 00:36:40.100
SO MY MOM, DO YOU REMEMBER
THE MOM THAT MY FRIEND'S

00:36:40.200 --> 00:36:41.300
MOM WAS PRAYING FOR ME?


00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:42.733
REBECCA: THE DRUG DEALER'S MOM?


00:36:42.833 --> 00:36:43.866
STEVE: YEAH.


00:36:43.966 --> 00:36:45.500
[LAUGHTER] SO SHE STILL
GOES TO THE SAME CHURCH

00:36:45.600 --> 00:36:46.300
WITH MY MOM.


00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:46.967
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?


00:36:47.067 --> 00:36:47.633
AND SHE KNOWS I'M HERE.


00:36:47.733 --> 00:36:48.666
SHE KNOWS I'M A PASTOR.


00:36:48.766 --> 00:36:50.866
OH, SHE SHE.


00:36:50.966 --> 00:36:52.433
SO MY MOM HAS NO FRIENDS
BECAUSE SHE JUST MOVED TO

00:36:52.533 --> 00:36:55.800
CALIFORNIA, AND SHE CALLS
MRS. KIM, AND SHE GOES,

00:36:55.900 --> 00:36:57.400
THIS IS SPIRITUAL WARFARE.


00:36:57.500 --> 00:36:58.167
IT'S TIME TO PRAY.


00:36:58.267 --> 00:36:59.166
MY MOM WAS LIKE,
SPIRITUAL

00:36:59.266 --> 00:37:00.100
WHAT?


00:37:00.200 --> 00:37:01.833
I'VE NEVER HEARD
THAT WORD IN MY LIFE.

00:37:01.933 --> 00:37:04.200
SO THEY SENT EIGHT PASTORS
FROM GRACE MINISTRIES

00:37:04.300 --> 00:37:05.167
INTERNATIONAL.


00:37:05.267 --> 00:37:06.667
I JUST SPOKE AT THEIR
SUMMER RETREAT.

00:37:06.767 --> 00:37:08.300
THIS THIS ONE LOCAL
CHURCH, BELIEVE IT OR

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:11.967
NOT, PLANTED 10,000
CHURCHES AND BAPTIZED A

00:37:12.067 --> 00:37:12.934
MILLION PEOPLE.


00:37:13.034 --> 00:37:14.400
IT BECAME A DENOMINATION.


00:37:14.500 --> 00:37:15.633
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.


00:37:15.733 --> 00:37:17.800
STEVE: YEAH, THEY SENT OUT 600
FULL TIME MISSIONARIES,

00:37:17.900 --> 00:37:20.000
PLANTED A THOUSAND
CHURCHES IN RUSSIA, 3000

00:37:20.100 --> 00:37:22.333
IN CHINA, 500 IN INDIA.


00:37:22.433 --> 00:37:24.200
SO THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE LIKE ONE MORE FOR

00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:25.333
JESUS.


00:37:25.433 --> 00:37:26.567
THEY COME TO THE ER AND
THEY'RE PRAYING FOR ME.

00:37:26.667 --> 00:37:27.600
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEM.


00:37:27.700 --> 00:37:29.500
UNLIKE THE MONKS WHO
ARE SELFISH, THEY WERE

00:37:29.600 --> 00:37:32.066
SELFLESS AND THEY WERE
PRAYING FOR ME AT THE ER

00:37:32.166 --> 00:37:34.933
IN TONGUES AND THE POWER
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT DURING

00:37:35.033 --> 00:37:36.800
THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE
SURGERY, WHICH WAS EIGHT

00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:37.966
HOURS LONG.


00:37:38.066 --> 00:37:39.700
WHEN I WOKE UP LATER, THE
DOCTOR SAID, STEVE, IT'S A

00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.966
MIRACLE THE DOCTOR WHO DID
THE OPERATION ON ME, THE

00:37:42.066 --> 00:37:44.834
SPECIALIST, THE BLOOD, THE
BLOOD OF VEIN SPECIALIST.

00:37:44.934 --> 00:37:45.900
HE LOOKS AT ME.


00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:47.266
HE GOES, STEVE, IT'S A
MIRACLE YOU'RE ALIVE.

00:37:47.366 --> 00:37:48.600
I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO
LOSE YOU BECAUSE YOUR

00:37:48.700 --> 00:37:50.367
BLOOD PRESSURE AND YOUR
HEART RATE JUST KEPT

00:37:50.467 --> 00:37:51.567
DROPPING.


00:37:51.667 --> 00:37:53.433
BUT IT'S A MIRACLE YOU'RE
HERE, AND I DON'T EVEN.

00:37:53.533 --> 00:37:54.600
I DON'T EVEN KNOW
IF HE'S A BELIEVER.

00:37:54.700 --> 00:37:56.133
BUT HE KEPT SAYING THAT TO
ME AFTER I WOKE UP FROM

00:37:56.233 --> 00:37:57.433
THE SURGERY.


00:37:57.533 --> 00:38:00.600
SO THEY PRAYED FOR ME TO
BECAUSE ALL THE ARTERIES

00:38:00.700 --> 00:38:02.533
WERE CUT AND THEY TOLD MY
MOM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO

00:38:02.633 --> 00:38:05.400
GET READY TO
LET YOUR SON GO.

00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:06.766
SO MY MOM WAS
LIKE, BUDDHA.

00:38:06.866 --> 00:38:08.900
I HEARD SHE WENT CRAZY
IN THE WAITING ROOM LIKE

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.466
BUDDHA, ALLAH, JESUS.


00:38:10.566 --> 00:38:13.200
[LAUGHTER] ANY GOT OUT
THERE, BECAUSE SHE NOW

00:38:13.300 --> 00:38:14.133
SHE'S LIKE, I NEED
SOME OPTIONS HERE.

00:38:14.233 --> 00:38:15.433
BUDDHA IS NOT HELPING.


00:38:15.533 --> 00:38:16.966
YEAH, SO I HEARD SHE
CALLED OUT EVERY GOD AND

00:38:17.066 --> 00:38:18.733
LIKE WEEPING BECAUSE MY
MOM'S VERY PASSIONATE, YOU

00:38:18.833 --> 00:38:21.133
KNOW, VERY LOUD KOREAN
MOM, VERY LOUD.

00:38:21.233 --> 00:38:24.867
SO SHE SHE PRAYED THE
PEOPLE FROM CHURCH CAME

00:38:24.967 --> 00:38:26.767
AND PRAYED AND.


00:38:26.867 --> 00:38:28.000
REBECCA: AND THEY WERE THERE
FOR A LONG TIME, RIGHT?

00:38:28.100 --> 00:38:28.900
STEVE: YEAH.


00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.000
THEY WERE THERE WERE
PRAYER WARRIORS.

00:38:30.100 --> 00:38:31.700
THEY DIDN'T JUST COME FOR
FIVE MINUTES AND GO, OH,

00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:32.500
GOOD LUCK.


00:38:32.600 --> 00:38:33.633
THEY STAY FOR
THE WHOLE THING.

00:38:33.733 --> 00:38:36.667
AND WHEN I OPENED MY EYES,
I WAS IN THE OPERATION

00:38:36.767 --> 00:38:40.134
ROOM WITH STAPLES AND
TUBES EVERYWHERE,

00:38:40.234 --> 00:38:43.467
SURROUNDED BY THESE EIGHT,
YOU KNOW, PRAYER WARRIORS.

00:38:43.567 --> 00:38:46.000
AND AND BEFORE I WOKE UP,
I DIDN'T SEE JESUS YET

00:38:46.100 --> 00:38:47.566
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
EVEN KNOW WHAT HE LOOKS

00:38:47.666 --> 00:38:48.600
LIKE.


00:38:48.700 --> 00:38:50.333
BUT I HEARD A STILL
SMALL VOICE SAY, NO MORE

00:38:50.433 --> 00:38:53.067
BUDDHISM AND NO MORE
DRUGS AND I LOVE YOU.

00:38:53.167 --> 00:38:54.900
AND I WAS LIKE, THAT
DOESN'T FEEL LIKE BUDDHA.

00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.333
IT SOUNDS DIFFERENT.


00:38:56.433 --> 00:38:59.167
AND IT FELT WARM LOVE,
WHICH WAS, I THINK, WHAT I

00:38:59.267 --> 00:39:01.500
WAS LONGING FOR, WHICH I
KNEW WHAT I WAS LONGING

00:39:01.600 --> 00:39:04.267
FOR MY WHOLE LIFE, THAT
UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF GOD

00:39:04.367 --> 00:39:07.000
WHICH TOTALLY TRANSFORMED
ME AND MY PARENTS AND

00:39:07.100 --> 00:39:09.433
EVERYONE AROUND ME THAT
MET JESUS AROUND THE TIME.

00:39:09.533 --> 00:39:11.433
I OPENED MY EYES.


00:39:11.533 --> 00:39:14.167
AND THE FIRST THING THAT
THE PASTOR GOES IS, IN

00:39:14.267 --> 00:39:15.533
JESUS' NAME, DEVIL BE GONE.


00:39:15.633 --> 00:39:16.767
AND I SAID, I'M
NOT THE DEVIL.

00:39:16.867 --> 00:39:17.833
AND SHE GOES, GOOD.


00:39:17.933 --> 00:39:19.233
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
YOU'RE NOT POSSESSED.

00:39:19.333 --> 00:39:20.533
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I
TRIED TO KILL MYSELF.

00:39:20.633 --> 00:39:22.534
WHAT IF I ATTACKED HIM
WITH ALL THESE TUBES AND

00:39:22.634 --> 00:39:23.967
STAPLES ON ME?


00:39:24.067 --> 00:39:25.234
AND THEN SHE'S LIKE,
WHAT DID YOU SEE?

00:39:25.334 --> 00:39:28.033
SO I SHARE WHAT I SAW, AND
THEY ALL GO, YOU SAW HELL?

00:39:28.133 --> 00:39:30.500
AND I GO, YES, AND I'M NOT
GOING BACK BECAUSE I JUST

00:39:30.600 --> 00:39:31.466
CAME OUT.


00:39:31.566 --> 00:39:32.367
I OPENED MY EYES.


00:39:32.467 --> 00:39:33.367
I'M ON EARTH.


00:39:33.467 --> 00:39:36.033
I'M LIKE, THANK GOD,
YOU KNOW, I'M BACK.

00:39:36.133 --> 00:39:37.833
HOW DO I HOW DO
I NOT GO BACK?

00:39:37.933 --> 00:39:39.333
AND THEY GO, YOU NEED
TO MAKE JESUS LORD AND

00:39:39.433 --> 00:39:40.300
SAVIOR.


00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:41.833
I GO, HOW THE
HECK DO I DO THAT?

00:39:41.933 --> 00:39:42.667
I'LL DO ANYTHING.


00:39:42.767 --> 00:39:43.500
AND THEY GO, JUST
SAY THIS PRAYER.

00:39:43.600 --> 00:39:44.633
I WAS LIKE,
OKAY, THAT'S IT.

00:39:44.733 --> 00:39:46.467
SO I SAY THE PRAYER AND
YOU KNOW, THEY LEAD ME

00:39:46.567 --> 00:39:48.967
THROUGH THE SINNER'S
PRAYER AND, AND I GO, CAN

00:39:49.067 --> 00:39:49.800
I DO THAT AGAIN?


00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:51.100
BECAUSE, YEAH,
JUST IN CASE.

00:39:51.200 --> 00:39:52.900
INSURANCE I WANT YEAH,
I WANT INSURANCE.

00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:53.866
AND THEY GO, OKAY.


00:39:53.966 --> 00:39:55.800
SO THEY WERE PATIENT
UP TO THREE TIMES.

00:39:55.900 --> 00:39:56.700
AND I GO, YOU
KNOW WHAT, MA'AM?

00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:57.433
JUST GIVE ME THE PAPER.


00:39:57.533 --> 00:39:58.200
I'M GONNA DO IT MYSELF.


00:39:58.300 --> 00:39:59.400
SO I PRAY THE PRAYER.


00:39:59.500 --> 00:40:01.666
I WAS READING IT TEN TIMES
AND I FELT A LITTLE BIT OF

00:40:01.766 --> 00:40:02.700
PEACE.


00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:03.734
SO AFTER TEN TIMES, I
STOPPED PRAYING THE

00:40:03.834 --> 00:40:05.200
SINNER'S PRAYER.


00:40:05.300 --> 00:40:07.266
AND THAT WAS MY
INTRODUCTION TO JESUS

00:40:07.366 --> 00:40:09.533
CHRIST AND THE CHRISTIAN
FAITH AND THE CHURCH.

00:40:09.633 --> 00:40:11.833
REBECCA: SO WHERE DO
YOU GO FROM THERE?

00:40:11.933 --> 00:40:12.933
STEVE: YEAH.


00:40:13.033 --> 00:40:17.067
SO FROM THERE I
GO TO BACK HOME.

00:40:17.167 --> 00:40:19.234
BUT I WAS STILL
PHYSICALLY SICK.

00:40:19.334 --> 00:40:20.600
AND I'M TRYING TO
MAKE A SENSE OF THIS.

00:40:20.700 --> 00:40:23.367
NOW, I KNOW BUDDHISM IS
FAKE BECAUSE I SAW HELL,

00:40:23.467 --> 00:40:24.933
WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IN.


00:40:25.033 --> 00:40:26.733
AND THEN I SEE THESE
CHRISTIANS WHO ARE THE

00:40:26.833 --> 00:40:29.200
MOST LOVING PEOPLE
I'VE EVER MET.

00:40:29.300 --> 00:40:31.200
LIKE THEY STARTED
VISITING ME BECAUSE I GOT

00:40:31.300 --> 00:40:34.400
DISCHARGED, LIKE IN A FEW
DAYS AND, AND THEY PUT ME

00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:36.866
ON THESE MEDS, BUT, YOU
KNOW, I DIDN'T TAKE THEM.

00:40:36.966 --> 00:40:38.000
YOU HAVE THE
HOLY SPIRIT NOW.

00:40:38.100 --> 00:40:40.700
SO THEY CAME AND THEY THEY
STARTED VISITING ME WITH

00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.100
LIKE, BROWNIES
AND BIBLE STUDIES.

00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:43.666
AND THEY GO, STEVE, NOW
THAT GOD SAVED YOU, WHAT

00:40:43.766 --> 00:40:45.500
DO YOU WANT TO BE?


00:40:45.600 --> 00:40:47.266
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW
WHY, BUT I SAID, PASTOR.

00:40:47.366 --> 00:40:48.867
AND THEY'RE LIKE,
YES, EXACTLY.

00:40:48.967 --> 00:40:50.800
WE'VE BEEN PRAYING FOR YOU
TO SAY THAT BECAUSE YOUR

00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:52.100
LIFE DOESN'T
BELONG TO YOU.

00:40:52.200 --> 00:40:52.933
GOD SAVED YOU.


00:40:53.033 --> 00:40:54.034
IT BELONGS TO HIM.


00:40:54.134 --> 00:40:55.600
AND I WAS LIKE, YES, I'LL
DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW?

00:40:55.700 --> 00:40:58.000
SO SO I'M HAVING
BIBLE STUDIES.

00:40:58.100 --> 00:41:00.234
THESE PEOPLE VISIT ME FROM
CHURCH, AND I FELT SO

00:41:00.334 --> 00:41:03.967
LOVED FOR THE FIRST
TIME IN MY LIFE.

00:41:04.067 --> 00:41:05.167
SO I'M HAVING
A LOT OF PEACE.

00:41:05.267 --> 00:41:08.533
I'M SLEEPING A LOT BETTER.


00:41:08.633 --> 00:41:12.167
AND I WENT TO THE PRAYER
MOUNTAIN TWO MONTHS LATER,

00:41:12.267 --> 00:41:14.033
AND BY THE GRACE OF GOD, I
GOT BAPTIZED IN THE HOLY

00:41:14.133 --> 00:41:16.100
SPIRIT, PRAYING
IN TONGUES.

00:41:16.200 --> 00:41:18.834
AND LIKE I HAD DREAMS OF
BUDDHIST MONKS RUNNING

00:41:18.934 --> 00:41:19.634
AWAY FROM ME.


00:41:19.734 --> 00:41:21.300
SPIDER WEBS LIKE
BREAKING DOWN.

00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:22.166
REBECCA: WOW.


00:41:22.266 --> 00:41:23.333
STEVE: JESUS CHRIST
COMING BACK.

00:41:23.433 --> 00:41:25.134
IT WAS AMAZING AND
I WAS PROPHESYING.

00:41:25.234 --> 00:41:25.866
IT WAS SO ACCURATE.


00:41:25.966 --> 00:41:27.133
I WAS LIKE,
WHAT'S GOING ON?

00:41:27.233 --> 00:41:28.700
IT WAS ALL, YOU
KNOW, SPIRIT LED.

00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.500
AND THEN SO I THOUGHT I
WAS READY TO CONQUER THE

00:41:30.600 --> 00:41:32.167
WORLD.


00:41:32.267 --> 00:41:35.434
BUT WHEN I CAME BACK TO
COLLEGE, I BACKSLID LIKE

00:41:35.534 --> 00:41:36.933
IN TWO MINUTES.


00:41:37.033 --> 00:41:39.567
I WAS LIKE, I SAW HEAVEN,
I SAW NOT HEAVEN, YET I

00:41:39.667 --> 00:41:40.667
SAW HELL.


00:41:40.767 --> 00:41:42.133
I'M READY TO LIKE,
SAVE THE WORLD, LORD.

00:41:42.233 --> 00:41:44.433
I WENT DOWN THERE AND MY
FRIENDS WERE LIKE, OH,

00:41:44.533 --> 00:41:44.933
REALLY?


00:41:45.033 --> 00:41:46.000
STEVE?


00:41:46.100 --> 00:41:47.166
AND THEY'RE LIKE, LET'S
HAVE ONE MORE DRINK.

00:41:47.266 --> 00:41:48.933
SO I DRANK THE SAME DAY I
CAME BACK DOWN IN JANUARY.

00:41:49.033 --> 00:41:50.366
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?


00:41:50.466 --> 00:41:51.967
AND I WAS BACKSLIDING
THE WHOLE FIRST SPRING

00:41:52.067 --> 00:41:53.300
SEMESTER.


00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.867
AND MY NON-CHRISTIAN
FRIENDS LOOKED AT ME AND

00:41:54.967 --> 00:41:56.333
THEY GO, STEVE, WE ALL
HEARD YOUR STORY ON

00:41:56.433 --> 00:41:57.433
CAMPUS.


00:41:57.533 --> 00:41:59.266
LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU USED
TO PARTY WITH US, YOU SAW

00:41:59.366 --> 00:42:01.900
JESUS AND HELL, AND
YOU'RE STILL HERE.

00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:02.800
YOU SHOULDN'T BE HERE.


00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:04.400
THEY'RE LIKE
PREACHING AGAINST ME.

00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:05.866
YOU SHOULDN'T BE
SMOKING THAT BONG.

00:42:05.966 --> 00:42:06.700
YOU SHOULD.


00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:07.367
YOU SHOULDN'T BE
DRINKING ANYMORE.

00:42:07.467 --> 00:42:08.533
I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT.


00:42:08.633 --> 00:42:10.233
AND I GOT INTO, LIKE,
THREE CAR ACCIDENTS IN THE

00:42:10.333 --> 00:42:11.733
SAME TIME PERIOD.


00:42:11.833 --> 00:42:12.533
AND I GOT THE MESSAGE.


00:42:12.633 --> 00:42:13.700
I WAS LIKE.


00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:14.367
REBECCA: YOU FEEL LIKE GOD WAS
TRYING TO SPEAK TO YOU

00:42:14.467 --> 00:42:15.934
THROUGH THAT?


00:42:16.034 --> 00:42:17.533
LIKE, GET IT, STEVE?


00:42:17.633 --> 00:42:18.667
STEVE: YEAH.


00:42:18.767 --> 00:42:19.467
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS
I WAS STILL PHYSICALLY SO

00:42:19.567 --> 00:42:20.967
TIRED FROM THE
WHOLE ORDEAL.

00:42:21.067 --> 00:42:22.667
I GAINED LIKE 20 POUNDS.


00:42:22.767 --> 00:42:23.800
I COULDN'T PLAY
BASKETBALL ANYMORE.

00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:26.134
SO I'M, I STAYED IN MY
ROOM A LOT JUST THINKING,

00:42:26.234 --> 00:42:27.966
LIKE, WHAT IS LIFE ABOUT?


00:42:28.066 --> 00:42:29.534
LIKE, SHOULD I BE A LAWYER
BECAUSE I'M STILL BACK AT

00:42:29.634 --> 00:42:31.000
SCHOOL STUDYING.


00:42:31.100 --> 00:42:33.700
IT LOST A LOT OF MEANING
BECAUSE I SAW THE END OF

00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:35.100
LIFE FOR EVERY
HUMAN BEING.

00:42:35.200 --> 00:42:37.000
WHY BUILD THIS EMPIRE
WHEN IT'S ALL GOING TO

00:42:37.100 --> 00:42:38.066
DISAPPEAR?


00:42:38.166 --> 00:42:39.500
AND SO I'M SITTING THERE
LIKE, GOD, WHAT DO YOU

00:42:39.600 --> 00:42:41.100
WANT ME TO DO?


00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:44.500
AND AND I FELT LIKE GOD
WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU

00:42:44.600 --> 00:42:46.100
KNOW, MOVE, MOVE OVERSEAS.


00:42:46.200 --> 00:42:47.500
I'M JUST PRAYING.


00:42:47.600 --> 00:42:52.734
AND AND AROUND THE NINTH
MONTH OF BACKSLIDING WHEN

00:42:52.834 --> 00:42:55.433
I LEAST DESERVED IT,
HE SHOWED ME HEAVEN.

00:42:55.533 --> 00:42:56.300
YEAH.


00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:56.966
GOD SHOWED ME HEAVEN.


00:42:57.066 --> 00:42:58.700
AND IT WAS EITHER.


00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.367
AND, YOU KNOW, I NEVER
READ THE BIBLE, BUT I JUST

00:43:00.467 --> 00:43:03.300
KNEW WE WERE IN THE
LAST DAYS AND THE END.

00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:04.833
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING
BECAUSE I NEVER READ THE

00:43:04.933 --> 00:43:08.033
BIBLE OR SAW MOVIES, BUT
IT WAS THE ANTICHRIST WAS

00:43:08.133 --> 00:43:11.334
RULING THE EARTH, AND
EVERYBODY HAD THE 66 MARK.

00:43:11.434 --> 00:43:11.833
REBECCA: REALLY?


00:43:11.933 --> 00:43:13.034
STEVE: YEAH.


00:43:13.134 --> 00:43:14.367
AND I AND MY FAMILY DIDN'T
KNOW THEY WERE KILLING ALL

00:43:14.467 --> 00:43:14.966
THE CHRISTIANS.


00:43:15.066 --> 00:43:15.834
AND WE WERE NEXT.


00:43:15.934 --> 00:43:17.133
WE WERE LIKE,
RUNNING AWAY.

00:43:17.233 --> 00:43:19.400
EITHER THEY KILLED US
OR WE GOT RAPTURED.

00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:20.900
I DON'T KNOW, THE WORD
RAPTURE IS NOT EVEN IN THE

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.600
BIBLE, BUT EITHER WE GOT
TAKEN UP OR WE GOT KILLED.

00:43:23.700 --> 00:43:26.767
SO I'M SITTING ON STANDING
ON TOP OF A MOUNTAIN WITH

00:43:26.867 --> 00:43:28.367
MY MOM AND MY BROTHER, WHO
WERE SAVED AT THE TIME

00:43:28.467 --> 00:43:30.000
WITH ME BECAUSE THEY ALL
ACCEPTED JESUS RIGHT

00:43:30.100 --> 00:43:31.233
AFTER THIS.


00:43:31.333 --> 00:43:32.433
REBECCA: AND TO GIVE CONTEXT,
THIS WAS THROUGH A DREAM.

00:43:32.533 --> 00:43:34.434
STEVE: YEAH, YEAH, IT WASN'T
LIKE A NDE, LIKE HELL.

00:43:34.534 --> 00:43:35.734
BUT IT WAS A DREAM.


00:43:35.834 --> 00:43:36.800
BUT IT WAS --


00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:37.900
REBECCA: I DIDN'T KNOW
ABOUT THE FIRST PART.

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.267
SO YOU ACTUALLY HAD A
DREAM FIRST ABOUT THE END

00:43:39.367 --> 00:43:42.900
TIMES AND THE ANTICHRIST
AND THE 666.

00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:44.133
AND THEN YOUR FAMILY
EITHER GOT KILLED OR

00:43:44.233 --> 00:43:44.767
RAPTURED.


00:43:44.867 --> 00:43:46.000
WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.


00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:47.267
STEVE: YEAH, THAT'S THE SAME
DREAM WITH THE HEAVEN ONE.

00:43:47.367 --> 00:43:48.534
REBECCA: OH MY GOSH.


00:43:48.634 --> 00:43:50.167
STEVE: AND I NEVER READ THE
BIBLE ON THAT, SO I JUST

00:43:50.267 --> 00:43:51.866
KNEW IT WAS FROM GOD
BECAUSE I READ THE BIBLE

00:43:51.966 --> 00:43:52.800
AFTER.


00:43:52.900 --> 00:43:54.100
REBECCA: WOW.


00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:55.400
STEVE: YEAH, I READ IT LIKE MORE
THAN 100 TIMES NOW, COVER TO

00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:56.533
COVER.


00:43:56.633 --> 00:43:58.500
AND AND IT WAS ALL IN
THERE, LIKE EVERYTHING I

00:43:58.600 --> 00:44:01.067
SAW IN THE DREAM WAS SO
SCRIPTURE BASED, INCLUDING

00:44:01.167 --> 00:44:03.467
HELL, INCLUDING HEAVEN.


00:44:03.567 --> 00:44:04.733
SO I GO TO HEAVEN AND --


00:44:04.833 --> 00:44:05.333
REBECCA: IN THE DREAM.


00:44:05.433 --> 00:44:06.467
STEVE: YEAH.


00:44:06.567 --> 00:44:09.700
AND I PRAY EVERY LISTENER
GOES THERE BECAUSE IT'S

00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:10.500
YOUR HOME.


00:44:10.600 --> 00:44:12.500
YOU'RE YOU WERE
MADE FOR IT.

00:44:12.600 --> 00:44:13.800
I SAW THE FATHER'S GLORY.


00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:17.300
BUT BEFORE THAT I SAW
ANGELS, I HEARD ANGELS,

00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.400
TOO, MIRRORS OF THEM.


00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.800
OH, THEY'RE
WORSHIPING GOD.

00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:22.900
AND I HEARD THEIR VOICE.


00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.166
I GO, THIS IS THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL CHOIR I'VE EVER

00:44:26.266 --> 00:44:26.734
HEARD.


00:44:26.834 --> 00:44:27.867
IT CAN'T BE PEOPLE.


00:44:27.967 --> 00:44:29.767
AND SURE ENOUGH,
IT WAS ANGELS.

00:44:29.867 --> 00:44:33.333
I LOOK UP, I LOOK DOWN,
THERE'S A HUGE VALLEY OF

00:44:33.433 --> 00:44:34.467
GREEN GRASS.


00:44:34.567 --> 00:44:37.466
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GREEN
I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.

00:44:37.566 --> 00:44:38.600
A RIVER'S FLOWING.


00:44:38.700 --> 00:44:40.800
AND I KNEW IT WAS
LIKE THE RIVER OF GOD.

00:44:40.900 --> 00:44:41.867
AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS
THE OPPOSITE OF HELL.

00:44:41.967 --> 00:44:42.933
GOD, THIS IS AWESOME.


00:44:43.033 --> 00:44:45.533
AND AND I WAS LIKE,
WOW, THIS IS MY HOME.

00:44:45.633 --> 00:44:48.033
AND I SEE A HUGE GOLDEN
CITY COMING DOWN FROM

00:44:48.133 --> 00:44:48.900
HEAVEN.


00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.166
IT'S A LITTLE CITY.


00:44:50.266 --> 00:44:52.034
IT'S THE DISTANCE FROM
DALLAS TO NEW YORK IN

00:44:52.134 --> 00:44:53.134
WIDTH, HEIGHT AND LENGTH.


00:44:53.234 --> 00:44:53.734
IT'S ALL OVER.


00:44:53.834 --> 00:44:56.534
REVELATION 20:21-22.


00:44:56.634 --> 00:44:58.300
IT'S THE FIRST MILLENNIAL
REIGN WHERE ALL THE

00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.233
MARTYRS GO FIRST, AND
THEN YOU HAVE THE SECOND

00:45:00.333 --> 00:45:03.267
RESURRECTION, WHERE THE
WHOLE BODY OF CHRIST JOINS

00:45:03.367 --> 00:45:04.300
IS.


00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:05.367
THAT'S WHY IT SAYS,
BLESSED IS THE ONE WHO

00:45:05.467 --> 00:45:06.934
PARTAKES IN THE
FIRST RESURRECTION.

00:45:07.034 --> 00:45:08.000
IT'S ALL IN THE SCRIPTURE.


00:45:08.100 --> 00:45:09.400
SO IT COMES DOWN.


00:45:09.500 --> 00:45:10.767
AND THIS GOLD WAS SO PURE.


00:45:10.867 --> 00:45:12.500
I LOOKED UP, I SAID,
THAT'S MY CITY, THE NEW

00:45:12.600 --> 00:45:13.733
JERUSALEM.


00:45:13.833 --> 00:45:15.200
IT WAS PURE
TRANSLUCENT GOLD.

00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:18.100
AND IN THE CITY, THE
CHAIRS, THE CUPS,

00:45:18.200 --> 00:45:19.533
EVERYTHING'S GOLD.


00:45:19.633 --> 00:45:21.533
SO IF YOU EVER FEEL
POOR, DON'T WORRY.

00:45:21.633 --> 00:45:24.733
GOD'S GOT A GOLD CITY
WAITING FOR YOU.

00:45:24.833 --> 00:45:26.266
BUT MORE IMPORTANT THAN
THE GOLD WAS THE PRESENCE

00:45:26.366 --> 00:45:27.400
OF GOD.


00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:30.034
THERE WAS NO SUN BECAUSE
GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF WAS

00:45:30.134 --> 00:45:31.033
THE SUN.


00:45:31.133 --> 00:45:34.600
SUN WITH THE SON S
O N AND THE SPIRIT.

00:45:34.700 --> 00:45:39.900
AND THE FATHER COMES TO
ME IN HIS GLORIOUS LIGHT.

00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.067
AND IT WAS THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL ENCOUNTER I EVER

00:45:41.167 --> 00:45:42.133
HAD.


00:45:42.233 --> 00:45:45.366
I PRAY EVERYBODY HAS IT,
OR EVEN GREATER ONES.

00:45:45.466 --> 00:45:47.600
AND HE SPEAKS TO ME FROM
THIS LIGHT THAT'S LIKE

00:45:47.700 --> 00:45:50.000
MOVING AND LIKE
SHINING ON ME.

00:45:50.100 --> 00:45:55.100
AND THE FATHER GOES, JESUS
CHRIST IS MY BELOVED SON,

00:45:55.200 --> 00:45:57.000
IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.


00:45:57.100 --> 00:46:00.234
LISTEN TO HIM, LISTEN
TO HIM, LISTEN TO HIM.

00:46:00.334 --> 00:46:03.133
AND IT WAS THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL, MAJESTIC, MANY

00:46:03.233 --> 00:46:05.867
RIVERS, POWERFUL, GLORIOUS
AND WARM AND KIND.

00:46:05.967 --> 00:46:06.600
HE'S MY.


00:46:06.700 --> 00:46:07.066
HE'S YOUR DAD.


00:46:07.166 --> 00:46:07.567
HE'S MY DAD.


00:46:07.667 --> 00:46:08.933
HE'S OUR FATHER.


00:46:09.033 --> 00:46:09.434
BUT HE'S.


00:46:09.534 --> 00:46:10.167
HE'S ROYALTY.


00:46:10.267 --> 00:46:11.233
HE'S KING OF KINGS.


00:46:11.333 --> 00:46:13.067
AND HE SPOKE TO ME AND I
OPENED MY EYES AND I WAS

00:46:13.167 --> 00:46:13.867
LIKE, WOW.


00:46:13.967 --> 00:46:15.133
I JUST HEARD THE
VOICE OF GOD.

00:46:15.233 --> 00:46:17.100
AND IN THE SCRIPTURES,
FOUR OF THE THREE

00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:18.234
SCRIPTURES HAS THAT VERSE.


00:46:18.334 --> 00:46:20.833
SO, SO HE TOLD ME THAT
VERSE THREE TIMES.

00:46:20.933 --> 00:46:22.600
AND I OPENED MY EYES, SAID
MY BACKSLIDING DAYS ARE

00:46:22.700 --> 00:46:23.634
GONE.


00:46:23.734 --> 00:46:25.366
AND I TOLD MY DAD
I JUST SAW HEAVEN.

00:46:25.466 --> 00:46:27.166
AND HE GOES, GOOD, BECAUSE
I SEE YOUR LIFE, STEPHEN.

00:46:27.233 --> 00:46:28.933
IT'S LIKE,
WHAT'S GOING ON?

00:46:29.033 --> 00:46:30.333
LIKE, IS HE REAL OR NOT?


00:46:30.433 --> 00:46:32.567
SO I TOLD HIM WHAT I SAW
AND HE GOES, WELL, I WANT

00:46:32.667 --> 00:46:33.834
TO SEE SOME CHANGE.


00:46:33.934 --> 00:46:35.567
SO MY LIFE
STARTED CHANGING.

00:46:35.667 --> 00:46:37.233
I STOPPED PARTYING.


00:46:37.333 --> 00:46:39.600
BESIDES THE THREE CAR
ACCIDENTS, I ALMOST LOST

00:46:39.700 --> 00:46:40.667
MY LIFE AGAIN.


00:46:40.767 --> 00:46:42.766
AND THE TRIP TO HEAVEN.


00:46:42.866 --> 00:46:44.400
I WROTE A LETTER
TO COLLEGE.

00:46:44.500 --> 00:46:45.600
YOU KNOW, I SAID,
GUYS, THANK YOU.

00:46:45.700 --> 00:46:48.600
THEY GAVE ME A SCHOLARSHIP
TO BECOME A LAWYER.

00:46:48.700 --> 00:46:49.733
WHATEVER.


00:46:49.833 --> 00:46:51.400
I SAID, GUYS, I MET THE
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF

00:46:51.500 --> 00:46:53.367
LORDS AND THANK
YOU FOR THE OFFER.

00:46:53.467 --> 00:46:56.033
BUT I WANT TO BE AN
AMBASSADOR FOR FOR MANY

00:46:56.133 --> 00:46:58.666
NATIONS AND AN ATTORNEY
FOR JESUS, AN ADVOCATE FOR

00:46:58.766 --> 00:46:59.534
THE KING OF KINGS.


00:46:59.634 --> 00:47:00.366
THEY THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY.


00:47:00.466 --> 00:47:01.733
LIKE, WHAT ARE
YOU TALKING ABOUT?

00:47:01.833 --> 00:47:03.900
[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE IT'S
KIND OF A LIBERAL SCHOOL.

00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:04.633
THEY HAVE A SEMINARY.


00:47:04.733 --> 00:47:05.466
THEY'RE VERY LIBERAL.


00:47:05.566 --> 00:47:06.567
YEAH.


00:47:06.667 --> 00:47:12.167
SO SO I MOVED TO CHINA
IN THIS SUMMER OF 2000.

00:47:12.267 --> 00:47:14.033
YEAH, I JUST DROPPED
EVERYTHING AND MOVED.

00:47:14.133 --> 00:47:17.733
AND MY MOM GOES, YES, I
WANT YOU TO GO THERE LIKE

00:47:17.833 --> 00:47:19.700
I WANTED, YOU KNOW,
ASIAN MOMS, RIGHT?

00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:20.734
THEY WANT YOU TO
BE SUCCESSFUL.

00:47:20.834 --> 00:47:22.467
SHE'S LIKE, NONE OF
THAT MATTERS.

00:47:22.567 --> 00:47:23.500
GO SERVE GOD.


00:47:23.600 --> 00:47:25.300
MY DAD WAS LIKE, YEAH,
YEAH, GO SERVE GOD.

00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:29.700
AND I WENT THERE IN THE
PEAK OF THEIR PERSECUTION.

00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:30.500
YEAH.


00:47:30.600 --> 00:47:31.733
SO SO I DROPPED
EVERYTHING.

00:47:31.833 --> 00:47:33.933
AND FROM GRACE CHURCH,
THEY COMMISSIONED ME TO BE

00:47:34.033 --> 00:47:35.900
A MISSIONARY IN CHINA.


00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.033
REBECCA: WHAT I LOVE


00:47:37.133 --> 00:47:41.033
ABOUT THIS STORY IS, TO
ME, IT MAKES SENSE THAT I

00:47:41.133 --> 00:47:42.900
MEAN, SOME PEOPLE THE HELL
ENCOUNTER, BUT IT MAKES

00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.467
SENSE TO ME THAT IT
ACTUALLY TOOK THE HEAVEN

00:47:44.567 --> 00:47:47.566
ENCOUNTER, BECAUSE IT
CAN'T JUST BE THE FEAR OF

00:47:47.666 --> 00:47:48.333
HELL.


00:47:48.433 --> 00:47:49.666
IT HAS TO BE
THE LOVE OF GOD.

00:47:49.766 --> 00:47:50.067
STEVE: THANK YOU.


00:47:50.167 --> 00:47:51.266
YES.


00:47:51.366 --> 00:47:52.967
REBECCA: AND UNDERSTANDING TO
HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP

00:47:53.067 --> 00:47:54.966
WITH HIM AND TO FULLY
SURRENDER YOUR LIFE.

00:47:55.066 --> 00:47:56.066
AMEN.


00:47:56.166 --> 00:47:57.333
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU FULLY
SURRENDERED AND YOU SAY,

00:47:57.433 --> 00:47:58.266
GOD, MY LIFE IS YOURS.


00:47:58.366 --> 00:47:59.666
I'LL GO WHEREVER
YOU WANT ME TO GO.

00:47:59.766 --> 00:48:00.833
I'LL DO WHATEVER
YOU WANT ME TO DO.

00:48:00.933 --> 00:48:03.300
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MISSING

00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.600
IT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO
GIVE EVERYTHING TO GOD.

00:48:06.700 --> 00:48:07.533
STEVE: THAT'S SO GOOD.


00:48:07.633 --> 00:48:09.700
REBECCA: WHOEVER LOSES
HIS LIFE WILL,

00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.666
YOU KNOW, HOW'S
THAT VERSE?

00:48:11.766 --> 00:48:13.933
STEVE: GOING TO LOSE HIS LIFE
FOR MY SAKE WILL SAVE IT.

00:48:14.033 --> 00:48:15.600
WHOEVER TRIES TO SAVE
HIS LIFE WILL LOSE IT.

00:48:15.700 --> 00:48:16.734
YEAH, EXACTLY.


00:48:16.834 --> 00:48:17.934
YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.


00:48:18.034 --> 00:48:20.234
REBECCA: AND SO WHEN WE ACTUALLY
GIVE OUR LIVES TO HIM,

00:48:20.334 --> 00:48:22.333
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHEN
HE CAN DO SOMETHING.

00:48:22.433 --> 00:48:24.200
BUT I JUST LOVE BECAUSE
THE BIBLE SAYS THE LOVE OF

00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:25.200
GOD COMPELS US.


00:48:25.300 --> 00:48:25.900
STEVE: AMEN.


00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.467
YEAH IT DOES.


00:48:27.567 --> 00:48:28.733
IT COMPELS YOU.


00:48:28.833 --> 00:48:31.233
REBECCA: AND YOU SAW THE FATHER
AND HE SAID, OBEY MY SON.

00:48:31.333 --> 00:48:32.633
BE IN A RELATIONSHIP
WITH MY SON.

00:48:32.733 --> 00:48:34.000
SUBMIT YOUR LIFE TO HIM.


00:48:34.100 --> 00:48:36.233
AND SO THAT'S WHAT CAUSES
THE REAL TRANSFORMATION.

00:48:36.333 --> 00:48:37.833
STEVE: AMEN, YEAH.


00:48:37.933 --> 00:48:38.667
IT'S SO GOOD, SO GOOD.


00:48:38.767 --> 00:48:40.333
HE SAID, LISTEN TO HIM.


00:48:40.433 --> 00:48:42.567
BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK WE
CANNOT LISTEN TO GOD, BUT

00:48:42.667 --> 00:48:44.566
HE'S ALWAYS SPEAKING
THROUGH THE SCRIPTURE.

00:48:44.666 --> 00:48:46.767
EVEN AS I'M INTERVIEWING
YOU, I SEE GOD'S GLORY

00:48:46.867 --> 00:48:48.367
MORE THAN ANYTHING HERE.


00:48:48.467 --> 00:48:50.734
I HEAR HIS VOICE
RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW.

00:48:50.834 --> 00:48:52.967
SO HE'S ALWAYS IN
COMMUNION WITH US.

00:48:53.067 --> 00:48:53.666
YOU'RE RIGHT.


00:48:53.766 --> 00:48:54.167
YEAH.


00:48:54.267 --> 00:48:54.633
HE'S SO GOOD.


00:48:54.733 --> 00:48:55.300
YEAH, YEAH.


00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:56.233
AMEN.


00:48:56.333 --> 00:48:57.367
REBECCA: AND WE'RE LED
BY HIS SPIRIT.

00:48:57.467 --> 00:48:59.200
AND IT'S A DAILY THING,
AND IT'S BEING DISCIPLED.

00:48:59.300 --> 00:49:01.100
AND YOU NEEDED TO
BE DISCIPLED TOO.

00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:02.333
AND SO THAT WAS
INTERESTING, TOO.

00:49:02.433 --> 00:49:04.600
YOU STARTED READING THE
BIBLE AFTER THE HEAVEN

00:49:04.700 --> 00:49:05.700
ENCOUNTER?


00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.767
STEVE: YEAH, A LOT MORE,
BECAUSE I HAD MORE TIME

00:49:07.867 --> 00:49:08.834
BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING
TO SCHOOL ANYMORE.

00:49:08.934 --> 00:49:09.700
I JUST DROPPED OUT.


00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:10.800
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:49:10.900 --> 00:49:12.533
YOU FULLY GAVE YOUR LIFE,
BUT YOU HAD A HUNGER.

00:49:12.633 --> 00:49:13.600
BECAUSE THAT'S A THING.


00:49:13.700 --> 00:49:15.800
LIKE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY
BEGIN TO, LIKE, WHEN YOU

00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:18.667
HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP
WITH GOD, EVEN THE IT GOES

00:49:18.767 --> 00:49:20.800
FROM THIS LIKE TASK THAT
YOU HAVE TO DO TO LIKE,

00:49:20.900 --> 00:49:22.900
I'M GOING TO GET TO
ENCOUNTER GOD AND LEARN

00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.466
ABOUT HIM, AND YOU JUST
GET SO HUNGRY FOR HIS

00:49:24.566 --> 00:49:25.066
WORD.


00:49:25.166 --> 00:49:25.933
STEVE: AMEN.


00:49:26.033 --> 00:49:27.067
YEAH, I GOT HUNGRY
FOR HIS WORD.

00:49:27.167 --> 00:49:29.667
LIKE I WAS PRAYING TO
BUDDHA FOR THOSE HOURS AND

00:49:29.767 --> 00:49:32.000
THAT SAME ZEAL JUST
TRANSFERRED OVER TO TO A

00:49:32.100 --> 00:49:33.966
LIVING GUY WHO TALKS BACK.


00:49:34.066 --> 00:49:35.367
SO WHEN I, WHEN I.


00:49:35.467 --> 00:49:37.467
SO THIS IS THE COOL THING
ABOUT JESUS COMPARED TO

00:49:37.567 --> 00:49:38.500
BUDDHA IS LIKE BUDDHA,


00:49:38.600 --> 00:49:40.700
HE NEVER SPOKE TO
ME FOR 19 YEARS.

00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:41.367
JESUS,


00:49:41.467 --> 00:49:42.434
HE TALKS TO ME EVERY DAY.


00:49:42.534 --> 00:49:43.233
THIS MORNING,


00:49:43.333 --> 00:49:44.034
I TALKED TO
HIM LAST NIGHT.

00:49:44.134 --> 00:49:45.067
HE TALKED TO ME.


00:49:45.167 --> 00:49:47.167
YEAH, BUT NOT LIKE A
HEAVENLY ENCOUNTER.

00:49:47.267 --> 00:49:50.766
THAT'S LIKE RARE, LIKE
APOSTLE PAUL, BUT THROUGH

00:49:50.866 --> 00:49:52.600
THE BIBLE, THROUGH
OTHER PEOPLE.

00:49:52.700 --> 00:49:53.900
LIKE HE'S ALWAYS
TALKING TO YOU.

00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:54.867
AND I LOVE THAT ABOUT HIM.


00:49:54.967 --> 00:49:56.067
HE'S A HE'S TALKATIVE.


00:49:56.167 --> 00:49:57.866
HE'S HE COMMUNICATES.


00:49:57.966 --> 00:49:58.467
REBECCA: HE DOES.


00:49:58.567 --> 00:49:59.100
STEVE: HE'S AWESOME.


00:49:59.200 --> 00:49:59.933
[LAUGHTER] HE'S AWESOME.


00:50:00.033 --> 00:50:01.434
REBECCA: AND HE'S SO WORTH IT.


00:50:01.534 --> 00:50:03.633
YES, I LOVE I DO WANT YOU
TO TALK ABOUT GOING TO

00:50:03.733 --> 00:50:04.900
CHINA.


00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:06.500
WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,
YOU WERE ONLY LIKE...

00:50:06.600 --> 00:50:07.266
STEVE: 20, YEAH.


00:50:07.366 --> 00:50:08.433
REBECCA: YEAH, YOU WERE ONLY 20.


00:50:08.533 --> 00:50:11.334
YOU GET SENT TO ONE OF THE
MOST PERSECUTED COUNTRIES

00:50:11.434 --> 00:50:12.166
IN THE WORLD.


00:50:12.266 --> 00:50:12.900
TALK ABOUT WHAT
THAT WAS LIKE.

00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:14.000
STEVE: YEAH.


00:50:14.100 --> 00:50:15.133
SO I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE
THAT WENT LIKE A LOT OF

00:50:15.233 --> 00:50:16.567
MISSIONARIES FROM AMERICA
WAS GOING TO CHINA AT THE

00:50:16.667 --> 00:50:18.200
TIME BECAUSE THEY
STILL LET US IN.

00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:19.367
NOW THEY DON'T.


00:50:19.467 --> 00:50:21.400
THEY JUST KICKED OUT ALL
THE MISSIONARIES LAST YEAR

00:50:21.500 --> 00:50:22.466
OR TWO YEARS AGO.


00:50:22.566 --> 00:50:23.267
YEAH.


00:50:23.367 --> 00:50:24.433
ISN'T THAT HORRIBLE?


00:50:24.533 --> 00:50:26.334
SO AT LEAST BACK THEN THEY
LET US IN AND THEN THEY

00:50:26.434 --> 00:50:27.366
WOULD PERSECUTE YOU.


00:50:27.466 --> 00:50:28.100
HAHA.


00:50:28.200 --> 00:50:29.200
SO THEY LET ME IN.


00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:33.233
AND THEN IT WAS A IT WAS
IN 2000, AND I REMEMBER

00:50:33.333 --> 00:50:36.767
THE TEAM WAS GETTING READY
AND THE PASTOR GOES, NOW

00:50:36.867 --> 00:50:39.500
THAT YOU'VE BEEN TRAINED
TO PRAY AND READ THE BIBLE

00:50:39.600 --> 00:50:42.566
FOR 14 MONTHS,
YOU'RE READY TO GO.

00:50:42.666 --> 00:50:43.333
AND I WAS LIKE,
WHERE AM I GOING?

00:50:43.433 --> 00:50:44.400
THEY GO, THEY GO.


00:50:44.500 --> 00:50:46.700
IF YOU GO TO CHINA,
LIKE RELEASE YOU TO THE

00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:47.700
NATIONS.


00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:50.400
I WAS LIKE, AND I RESPECT
CHURCH AUTHORITY.

00:50:50.500 --> 00:50:52.666
WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT LIKE
CONTROLLED BY THEM, BUT

00:50:52.766 --> 00:50:55.633
THEY RESPECT AND HONOR HOW
GOD SPEAKS TO THE CHURCH.

00:50:55.733 --> 00:50:57.800
AND A PRIMARY EXAMPLE OF
THAT IS WHEN PAUL AND

00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.200
BARNABAS, PAUL, WHO
WROTE THE BIBLE, HE GOT

00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:03.300
COMMISSIONED BY THE CHURCH
IN ANTIOCH, HE WASN'T LIKE

00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:04.400
ME AND JESUS.


00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:06.600
HE MOVED WITH THE CHURCH,
THE BODY OF CHRIST, JUST

00:51:06.700 --> 00:51:08.433
LIKE DAYSTAR,
LIKE ALL YOU GUYS DO.

00:51:08.533 --> 00:51:11.300
SO SO I WENT, I WENT TO
CHINA AND IT WAS SO FUNNY

00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.767
BECAUSE I'M 20 YEARS OLD.


00:51:12.867 --> 00:51:14.100
I'M PACKING MY LIFE AWAY.


00:51:14.200 --> 00:51:16.367
MY MOM'S LIKE, GO
DIE FOR THE LORD.

00:51:16.467 --> 00:51:17.933
I WAS LIKE, MAN, THAT'S
THE BEST THING YOU CAN

00:51:18.033 --> 00:51:19.167
SAY.


00:51:19.267 --> 00:51:19.700
REBECCA: BUT YOU'VE MADE A


00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:20.800
POWERFUL POINT.


00:51:20.900 --> 00:51:22.300
YOU SAID WHEN YOUR MOM
RELEASED YOU, IT ACTUALLY

00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.533
HAD A PROFOUND
EFFECT ON YOUR LIFE.

00:51:25.633 --> 00:51:26.900
BECAUSE I THINK MOMS
NEED TO HEAR THAT.

00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:27.333
STEVE: YES.


00:51:27.433 --> 00:51:28.400
THANK YOU.


00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:30.267
SO ME AND MY MOM, WE HAD
A SOUL TIE, WHICH IS NOT

00:51:30.367 --> 00:51:31.367
HEALTHY IN THE SPIRIT.


00:51:31.467 --> 00:51:32.467
LIKE WE WOULD
ALWAYS ARGUE.

00:51:32.567 --> 00:51:33.700
SHE CONTROLLED MY LIFE.


00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:35.000
SHE WAS LIKE
MY BEST FRIEND.

00:51:35.100 --> 00:51:37.334
AND THEN ONE
DAY AFTER I MET --

00:51:37.434 --> 00:51:38.500
REBECCA: BECAUSE SHE GOT SAVED
TOO.

00:51:38.600 --> 00:51:40.400
STEVE: YEAH, SHE GOT
SAVED POWERFULLY.

00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:41.267
SHE WAKES UP AT 5 A.M.


00:51:41.367 --> 00:51:43.567
EVERY MORNING NOW
AND PRAYS FOR ME.

00:51:43.667 --> 00:51:45.367
SHE'S AN ELDER IN THE
CHURCH AND SHE GOES

00:51:45.467 --> 00:51:46.067
EVANGELIZING.


00:51:46.167 --> 00:51:47.867
SHE'S 74.


00:51:47.967 --> 00:51:48.833
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?


00:51:48.933 --> 00:51:50.300
SHE GOES EVANGELIZING
ON THE STREETS?

00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.100
YEAH, SHE SHE SHE LOOKS
AT ME ONE DAY AND GOES,

00:51:53.200 --> 00:51:55.633
STEVE, YOU'RE
NOT MINE ANYMORE.

00:51:55.733 --> 00:51:56.767
YOU BELONG TO GOD.


00:51:56.867 --> 00:51:58.733
AND I WAS LIKE, MOM, THAT
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU.

00:51:58.833 --> 00:51:59.866
I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW?


00:51:59.966 --> 00:52:01.267
YEAH.


00:52:01.367 --> 00:52:02.733
AND SHE GOES, YOU
DON'T BELONG TO ME.

00:52:02.833 --> 00:52:06.533
AND WHEN SHE SAID THAT ALL
THIS WARFARE I HAD JUST

00:52:06.633 --> 00:52:09.800
BROKE LOOSE, LIKE IT
DISAPPEARED IN MY LIFE.

00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:11.367
AND I SAW WHAT I'M
SUPPOSED TO DO, BECAUSE

00:52:11.467 --> 00:52:12.767
UNTIL THEN, SHE WAS LIKE,
STEVE, HAVE YOU THOUGHT

00:52:12.867 --> 00:52:14.567
ABOUT THIS SCHOOL, THAT
SCHOOL, THAT CHURCH?

00:52:14.667 --> 00:52:15.866
AND I'M LIKE, OH, SO MUCH.


00:52:15.966 --> 00:52:17.033
TOO MUCH FEEDBACK.


00:52:17.133 --> 00:52:19.267
LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T
GIVE FEEDBACK, BUT SOUL

00:52:19.367 --> 00:52:20.433
TIE IS NOT HEALTHY.


00:52:20.533 --> 00:52:22.633
SO THAT BROKE OFF AND THEN
GOD WAS ABLE TO TAKE TAKE

00:52:22.733 --> 00:52:23.700
THE PLACE.


00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:24.800
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:52:24.900 --> 00:52:27.333
IT'S JUST SO POWERFUL
BECAUSE MOMS CAN GET INTO

00:52:27.433 --> 00:52:28.700
THAT THING WHERE THEY WANT
TO CONTROL AND ALMOST

00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.567
SUPPRESS, AND YOU'RE
SUPPRESSING GOD WORKING

00:52:30.667 --> 00:52:31.634
THROUGH YOUR CHILD'S LIFE.


00:52:31.734 --> 00:52:32.700
STEVE: YES, YES.


00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:34.566
REBECCA: AND YOU HAVE TO
SURRENDER THEM TO GOD.

00:52:34.666 --> 00:52:36.767
YOU STILL MOTHER THEM, YOU
STILL STEWARD THEM, BUT

00:52:36.867 --> 00:52:39.633
YOU RAISE THEM UP
AND SEND THEM OUT.

00:52:39.733 --> 00:52:41.233
AND SO THAT
BROKE THAT OFF.

00:52:41.333 --> 00:52:44.467
AND SO YOU GO TO CHINA.


00:52:44.567 --> 00:52:45.166
AND TALK ABOUT THAT.


00:52:45.266 --> 00:52:46.033
STEVE: YEAH.


00:52:46.133 --> 00:52:47.433
SO CHINA WAS LIFE
CHANGING, I HOPE.

00:52:47.533 --> 00:52:50.366
I PRAY EVERY EVANGELICAL
BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN GOES

00:52:50.466 --> 00:52:52.066
TO THE MISSION FIELD AT
LEAST ONCE, BECAUSE IT WAS

00:52:52.166 --> 00:52:54.033
A WHOLE NEW WORLD.


00:52:54.133 --> 00:52:56.534
WHEN I GOT THERE, THE
FIRST MIRACLE WAS WE

00:52:56.634 --> 00:52:57.700
SMUGGLED BIBLES.


00:52:57.800 --> 00:52:58.933
SO THEY GAVE IT ALL TO ME
BECAUSE I WAS THE YOUNGEST

00:52:59.033 --> 00:53:00.700
GUY IN THE TEAM AND THEY
WERE LIKE, STEVE, IF YOU

00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.300
GO, IF YOU GET CAUGHT,
YOU'LL SURVIVE PRISON.

00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:04.066
BUT LOOK AT US.


00:53:04.166 --> 00:53:05.300
WE'RE 40, 50, 60.


00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:06.466
WE'RE GONNA DIE.


00:53:06.566 --> 00:53:09.200
I WAS LIKE, WOW, THIS
IS CHURCHES LIKE THIS, HUH?

00:53:09.300 --> 00:53:10.066
REBECCA: YOU'RE LIKE, THIS IS
INTENSE.

00:53:10.166 --> 00:53:11.067
STEVE: YEAH.


00:53:11.167 --> 00:53:12.400
SO I HAD ALL THESE
SMUGGLED CHINESE BIBLES,

00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:13.533
NOT EVEN ENGLISH.


00:53:13.633 --> 00:53:16.933
SO I GET OFF TO CUSTOMS
AND THEY GO, COME HERE.

00:53:17.033 --> 00:53:19.300
AND THE SOLDIERS WITH
GUNS, AND THEY OPEN THE

00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:21.233
BAG AND THERE'S
CHINESE BIBLES.

00:53:21.333 --> 00:53:23.500
SO THE SOLDIER, I THINK
GOD BLINDED HIS EYES

00:53:23.600 --> 00:53:25.167
LITERALLY, BECAUSE
HE PICKS IT UP.

00:53:25.267 --> 00:53:25.967
REBECCA: HAD TO HAVE.


00:53:26.067 --> 00:53:27.500
STEVE: YEAH, HE HE
PICKS IT UP.

00:53:27.600 --> 00:53:28.867
AND NOW I'M LIKE...


00:53:28.967 --> 00:53:29.600
REBECCA: GOING TO JAIL.


00:53:29.700 --> 00:53:30.666
STEVE: YEAH.


00:53:30.766 --> 00:53:32.500
I'M THE FIRST ONE IN THE
KANG FAMILY THAT'S GOING

00:53:32.600 --> 00:53:34.033
TO JAIL FOR JESUS.


00:53:34.133 --> 00:53:36.500
I'M LITERALLY ABOUT TO
LIKE, YOU KNOW, FAINT.

00:53:36.600 --> 00:53:38.267
AND HE OPENS THE BIBLE.


00:53:38.367 --> 00:53:41.633
HE GOES THROUGH THE
PAGES AND HE'S LIKE, OH,

00:53:41.733 --> 00:53:42.700
INTERESTING BOOK.


00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.266
HE CLOSES IT, HE PUTS IT
BACK IN THE BAG AND GOES

00:53:44.366 --> 00:53:45.300
NEXT.


00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.233
BECAUSE DURING THAT
TIME, IN YEAR 2000, MANY

00:53:47.333 --> 00:53:49.333
CHRISTIANS WERE GOING TO
JAIL FOR BIBLE HAVING

00:53:49.433 --> 00:53:50.500
BIBLES.


00:53:50.600 --> 00:53:52.533
SO I BROUGHT IT IN AND THE
TEAM WAS CHEERING LIKE,

00:53:52.633 --> 00:53:53.667
YAY!


00:53:53.767 --> 00:53:55.034
AND THEN WE THE FIRST
THING WE DID WAS WE TOOK A

00:53:55.134 --> 00:53:58.100
SIX HOUR DRIVE THROUGH THE
CRAZIEST, WINDY, NARROWEST

00:53:58.200 --> 00:54:02.100
ROAD I'VE EVER SEEN IN THE
MIDDLE OF A THUNDERSTORM.

00:54:02.200 --> 00:54:02.767
AND I GET THERE.


00:54:02.867 --> 00:54:04.100
IT'S A CHINESE FACTORY.


00:54:04.200 --> 00:54:06.833
THERE'S 300 UNDERGROUND
PASTORS THERE AND LIKE 30

00:54:06.933 --> 00:54:07.967
OF US JOINED THEM.


00:54:08.067 --> 00:54:09.134
REBECCA: WOW.


00:54:09.234 --> 00:54:10.833
STEVE: AND THE WORSHIP WAS THE
FIRST TIME WHERE WE JUST

00:54:10.933 --> 00:54:11.534
WALKED IN.


00:54:11.634 --> 00:54:12.634
WE WERE WEEPING.


00:54:12.734 --> 00:54:13.700
SOME WERE WEEPING BECAUSE
THEY WERE SO BROKEN FROM

00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:14.800
THE TRIP.


00:54:14.900 --> 00:54:17.333
I WAS WEEPING BECAUSE THE
HOLY SPIRIT CAME AND I

00:54:17.433 --> 00:54:19.500
FELT HIM PHYSICALLY AND
EVERYBODY WAS THERE, LIKE

00:54:19.600 --> 00:54:22.000
16 YEAR OLD MINISTERS,
14 YEAR OLD KIDS.

00:54:22.100 --> 00:54:22.733
REBECCA: I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT.


00:54:22.833 --> 00:54:23.334
YEAH.


00:54:23.434 --> 00:54:24.100
PASTORS.


00:54:24.200 --> 00:54:26.533
STEVE: YES, YES, YES, EXACTLY.


00:54:26.633 --> 00:54:28.033
THAT MET JESUS AND
LEFT EVERYTHING.

00:54:28.133 --> 00:54:31.167
AND I MET 14 YEAR OLDS
WHO WERE PASTORING 300

00:54:31.267 --> 00:54:32.300
CHURCHES.


00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:33.766
REBECCA: THAT'S CRAZY.


00:54:33.866 --> 00:54:34.600
STEVE: YEAH.


00:54:34.700 --> 00:54:35.700
I WAS LIKE, HOW
DID YOU DO THAT?

00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:36.967
THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL,
MY PARENTS DISOWNED ME

00:54:37.067 --> 00:54:38.700
BECAUSE I DISOWNED
BECAUSE I SAID NO

00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.833
TO THE COMMUNIST REGIME.


00:54:39.933 --> 00:54:42.467
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE
TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

00:54:42.567 --> 00:54:44.067
AND NOW GOD IS MY KINGDOM.


00:54:44.167 --> 00:54:47.900
AND AND I LEARNED SO MUCH
FROM MY STAY THERE OF

00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:50.934
ABOUT LIKE IT WAS LESS
THAN HALF A YEAR, SO I WAS

00:54:51.034 --> 00:54:52.466
I WAS THERE TO LIKE,
DIE AND LIVE THERE.

00:54:52.566 --> 00:54:53.800
BUT THE MISSIONARIES
LOOKED AT ME

00:54:53.900 --> 00:54:55.067
AFTER SIX MONTHS OF
EXPERIENCING THE HOLY

00:54:55.167 --> 00:54:56.366
SPIRIT PERSECUTION.


00:54:56.466 --> 00:54:59.067
EVERY THREE DAYS YOU HAVE
TO MOVE LOCATION BECAUSE

00:54:59.167 --> 00:55:01.200
THEY'RE ALWAYS TRACKING
YOU AND FOLLOWING YOU.

00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:02.934
BUT WE HAD WE HAD PEOPLE
WATCHING OUT FOR US TOO.

00:55:03.034 --> 00:55:05.366
BELIEVERS WOULD BE
LIKE TWO MILES DOWN THE

00:55:05.466 --> 00:55:06.533
ROAD.


00:55:06.633 --> 00:55:08.334
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY TALK
TO EACH OTHER, BUT THEY

00:55:08.434 --> 00:55:10.600
WOULD TELL THE OTHER
PERSON AND WE WOULD

00:55:10.700 --> 00:55:11.766
ESCAPE.


00:55:11.866 --> 00:55:13.200
BUT ONE TIME IT WAS REALLY
CLOSE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T

00:55:13.300 --> 00:55:15.000
HAVE TIME TO ESCAPE THE
HOUSE CHURCH, A LOT OF

00:55:15.100 --> 00:55:19.333
HOUSE CHURCHES UNDERGROUND,
EVEN GMI, THAT ONE

00:55:19.433 --> 00:55:20.866
CHURCH BUILT LIKE 3000
CHURCHES DURING THIS

00:55:20.966 --> 00:55:21.967
SEASON.


00:55:22.067 --> 00:55:24.434
AND I REMEMBER ONE TIME
THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S TOO

00:55:24.534 --> 00:55:26.133
LATE, JUST GO
UP THE ATTIC.

00:55:26.233 --> 00:55:27.000
SO WE'RE LIKE,
WHERE'S THE ATTIC?

00:55:27.100 --> 00:55:27.834
I DON'T SEE NO ATTIC.


00:55:27.934 --> 00:55:29.000
AND THEY PULL
SOMETHING DOWN.

00:55:29.100 --> 00:55:31.800
WE GO UP THERE AND I'M UP
THERE LIKE KIND OF NERVOUS

00:55:31.900 --> 00:55:33.966
BECAUSE THE SOLDIERS
RUSHED INTO THE HOUSE AND

00:55:34.066 --> 00:55:36.067
I CAN SEE THROUGH THE
HOLES LIKE THEY'RE DOWN

00:55:36.167 --> 00:55:38.433
THERE AND THEY'RE
LIKE LOOKING AROUND.

00:55:38.533 --> 00:55:40.167
AND I WAS LIKE,
I'M GOING NOW.

00:55:40.267 --> 00:55:41.267
NOW I'M GOING.


00:55:41.367 --> 00:55:44.100
AND THEN THE I HAD A
TRANSLATOR AND THE AND THE

00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:46.600
FELLOW BELIEVER GOES,
STEVE, DON'T WORRY.

00:55:46.700 --> 00:55:49.800
IF YOU GO TO JAIL, WE
GET CLOSER TO JESUS.

00:55:49.900 --> 00:55:51.933
I WAS LIKE, THAT IS
NOT COMFORTING, MAN.

00:55:52.033 --> 00:55:53.734
LIKE, I'M NOT 20.


00:55:53.834 --> 00:55:54.966
I'M NOT MARRIED.


00:55:55.066 --> 00:55:56.200
LIKE, YEAH.


00:55:56.300 --> 00:55:57.066
REBECCA: YOU'RE A NEW CHRISTIAN,
TOO.

00:55:57.166 --> 00:55:58.433
STEVE: YEAH, I'M A
NEW CHRISTIAN.

00:55:58.533 --> 00:56:00.067
LIKE, SO IT WAS LIKE, GOD
JUST DUMPED IT ON ME.

00:56:00.167 --> 00:56:02.267
LIKE, YOUR TRAINING
IS ON SITE, YOU KNOW?

00:56:02.367 --> 00:56:04.433
OTJ ON THE JOB TRAINING.


00:56:04.533 --> 00:56:06.834
THERE'S NO, LIKE,
TRANSITION.

00:56:06.934 --> 00:56:08.167
SO EVENTUALLY THEY
DIDN'T FIND US.

00:56:08.267 --> 00:56:09.300
THEY LEFT.


00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.600
WE GOT BACK IN THE CAR,
MOVED ON TO THE NEXT CITY

00:56:11.700 --> 00:56:13.067
AND THE NEXT CITY
AND THE NEXT CITY.

00:56:13.167 --> 00:56:14.667
AND BACK THEN
I WAS SO SHY.

00:56:14.767 --> 00:56:16.233
THEY ASKED ME TO PREACH
SO MANY TIMES, AND I WAS

00:56:16.333 --> 00:56:17.233
LIKE, I'M NOT PREACHING.


00:56:17.333 --> 00:56:18.667
THEY'RE LIKE, PREACH,
YOU'RE FROM AMERICA.

00:56:18.767 --> 00:56:20.467
YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING
TO SAY FROM AMERICA.

00:56:20.567 --> 00:56:22.300
I WAS LIKE, SO THE WHOLE
SIX MONTHS I DIDN'T PREACH

00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.933
ONCE, EVEN THOUGH THEY
ASKED ME LIKE 30 TIMES.

00:56:25.033 --> 00:56:28.366
I WAS JUST SO AFRAID, YOU
KNOW, AND THEN AND THEN

00:56:28.466 --> 00:56:29.967
AFTER SIX MONTHS, THEY
GO, STEVE, YOU'VE SEEN

00:56:30.067 --> 00:56:31.533
EVERYTHING IN CHINA.


00:56:31.633 --> 00:56:33.933
YOU'VE SEEN THE
PERSECUTION, THE LIFESTYLE

00:56:34.033 --> 00:56:36.200
OF THE BELIEVER, HOW
UNITED THE CHURCH IS.

00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:37.367
THERE'S NO DENOMINATIONS


00:56:37.467 --> 00:56:39.100
BACK THEN. IT WAS JUST ONE.


00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:40.100
OH, YEAH.


00:56:40.200 --> 00:56:40.900
ARE YOU A BELIEVER OR NOT?


00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:42.334
IF YOU ARE, YOU'RE
IN THE GAME.

00:56:42.434 --> 00:56:44.533
IF NOT, YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT
IN THE GAME BECAUSE THERE

00:56:44.633 --> 00:56:47.233
WERE SPIES TO LIKE TRYING
TO COME IN TO REPORT.

00:56:47.333 --> 00:56:49.166
AND AND IT WAS
VERY DANGEROUS.

00:56:49.266 --> 00:56:52.366
BUT THEY SAID, THEY SAID
GO, GO, GO TO AMERICA,

00:56:52.466 --> 00:56:53.733
GET A DEGREE
AND COME BACK.

00:56:53.833 --> 00:56:54.734
SO THAT'S WHAT I DID.


00:56:54.834 --> 00:56:56.766
I CAME BACK TO LA,
GOT A DEGREE AT BIOLA

00:56:56.866 --> 00:57:00.500
UNIVERSITY, MDIV,
WHATEVER, AND AND WENT

00:57:00.600 --> 00:57:02.866
BACK TO CHINA
OCCASIONALLY, BUT NOT FULL

00:57:02.966 --> 00:57:03.667
TIME.


00:57:03.767 --> 00:57:04.600
BUT YEAH.


00:57:04.700 --> 00:57:06.100
SO YEAH, THAT'S
THE STORY OF CHINA.

00:57:06.200 --> 00:57:07.367
REBECCA: THAT'S SO POWERFUL.


00:57:07.467 --> 00:57:08.033
STEVE: BOOK OF ACTS.


00:57:08.133 --> 00:57:08.534
YEAH.


00:57:08.634 --> 00:57:09.000
IN REAL LIFE.


00:57:09.100 --> 00:57:10.033
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:57:10.133 --> 00:57:11.233
AND YOU WOULD SAY THAT
THEY WOULD WORSHIP FOR

00:57:11.333 --> 00:57:13.633
LIKE 12 HOURS A DAY OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

00:57:13.733 --> 00:57:14.233
STEVE: YEAH.


00:57:14.333 --> 00:57:14.600
YEAH.


00:57:14.700 --> 00:57:15.666
REBECCA.


00:57:15.766 --> 00:57:17.034
SO BECAUSE LIKE, THESE
GUYS DON'T HAVE TRAINING

00:57:17.134 --> 00:57:19.600
EVERY DAY WHEN
MISSIONARIES COME, THEY'LL

00:57:19.700 --> 00:57:21.200
STAY ALL DAY.


00:57:21.300 --> 00:57:22.133
REBECCA: BECAUSE
THEY'RE SO HUNGRY.

00:57:22.233 --> 00:57:23.400
STEVE: YEAH, THEY'RE
SO HUNGRY.

00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:24.900
REBECCA: AND THE PRESENCE
OF GOD WAS REALLY THICK

00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:25.700
THERE.


00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:26.766
STEVE: YEAH.


00:57:26.866 --> 00:57:29.533
MOST SERVICES WE CRIED
LIKE IT'S LIKE I'M NOT

00:57:29.633 --> 00:57:31.566
SAYING IT'S LIKE SUPER
EMOTIONALLY EXCITING ALL

00:57:31.666 --> 00:57:34.534
THE TIME, BUT YOU COULD
FEEL THE TANGIBLE PRESENCE

00:57:34.634 --> 00:57:37.867
OF GOD, WHICH WAS BY THE
HUNGER OF GOD'S PEOPLE.

00:57:37.967 --> 00:57:38.933
YEAH, THAT CAN
HAPPEN ANYWHERE.

00:57:39.033 --> 00:57:40.933
DALLAS, CHINA, AS LONG
AS PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY.

00:57:41.033 --> 00:57:42.167
YEAH, YEAH.


00:57:42.267 --> 00:57:44.533
REBECCA: THE THING WITH WHAT I
LOVE, TOO, IS BECAUSE YOU

00:57:44.633 --> 00:57:47.067
CAME BACK AND YOU WOULD GO
BACK AND FORTH, IS THAT I

00:57:47.167 --> 00:57:50.833
DO THINK IF AMERICANS
CANNOT BE SEDUCED OR GOOD

00:57:50.933 --> 00:57:52.400
INTO APATHY, BECAUSE I
THINK THAT'S IT'S LIKE A

00:57:52.500 --> 00:57:54.300
DIFFERENT KIND OF
SPIRITUAL BATTLE HERE.

00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.233
I THINK THAT WE COULD
REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

00:57:56.333 --> 00:58:01.066
TO FLOURISH HERE AND
HELP IMPACT THE NATIONS.

00:58:01.166 --> 00:58:03.867
YOU KNOW, THAT WE THERE'S
SO MUCH THAT WE CAN DO AND

00:58:03.967 --> 00:58:05.233
WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE
NATION THAT WE'RE IN, THAT

00:58:05.300 --> 00:58:08.966
WE HAVE THIS FREEDOM AND
USE IT FOR GOOD AND NOT

00:58:09.066 --> 00:58:11.134
GROW APATHETIC IN OUR
FAITH, BUT RATHER BE ON

00:58:11.234 --> 00:58:13.033
FIRE AND IMPACT THE
WORLD AROUND US.

00:58:13.133 --> 00:58:14.767
STEVE: YES, I'M SO GLAD YOU
MENTIONED THAT, BECAUSE

00:58:14.867 --> 00:58:16.234
AMERICA IS STILL THE
HEADQUARTERS OF THE

00:58:16.334 --> 00:58:17.633
CHRISTIAN FAITH.


00:58:17.733 --> 00:58:19.733
BLESSED IS THE NATION
WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD.

00:58:19.833 --> 00:58:22.800
TRUST ME, I'VE BEEN TO
MANY OTHER COUNTRIES.

00:58:22.900 --> 00:58:24.667
THERE'S NO COUNTRY
LIKE AMERICA.

00:58:24.767 --> 00:58:26.800
YOU KNOW, I'M SO
GRATEFUL TO BE HERE.

00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:28.666
THAT'S WHY I SERVED IN THE
MILITARY AND PRAY FOR OUR

00:58:28.766 --> 00:58:29.867
COUNTRY EVERY DAY.


00:58:29.967 --> 00:58:32.600
BECAUSE MISSIONARIES FIRST
CAME FROM AMERICA TO KOREA

00:58:32.700 --> 00:58:34.134
IN THE EARLY 1900S.


00:58:34.234 --> 00:58:35.000
REBECCA: REALLY?


00:58:35.100 --> 00:58:36.067
STEVE: AND THEY ALL GOT
MARTYRED.

00:58:36.167 --> 00:58:38.300
THE KOREAN IDOL
WORSHIPERS, THEY ALL

00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:39.400
KILLED THEM.


00:58:39.500 --> 00:58:40.867
MISSIONARY THOMAS, ALL
THESE MISSIONARIES THAT

00:58:40.967 --> 00:58:43.566
LEFT SOME OF THEM TEXAS,
SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW,

00:58:43.666 --> 00:58:45.900
OTHER STATES, BOSTON,
NEW YORK, THE STUDENT

00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.234
VOLUNTEER MOVEMENT OF
CHICAGO, WHERE ALL THESE

00:58:48.334 --> 00:58:52.300
COLLEGE STUDENTS, UNDER
THE TEACHINGS OF D.L. MOODY,

00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:53.667
THEY HEARD THE
GOSPEL AND THEY SAID ONLY

00:58:53.767 --> 00:58:54.300
ONE LIFE.


00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:55.367
IT SOON BE PAST.


00:58:55.467 --> 00:58:57.500
ONLY WHAT'S DONE FOR
CHRIST WILL LAST.

00:58:57.600 --> 00:58:58.900
AND THEY ALL JUST
VOLUNTEERED.

00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.566
AND SOME OF THEM ENDED UP
IN KOREA, NOT BY WILL, BUT

00:59:00.666 --> 00:59:02.066
THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, THERE'S
THIS OTHER LITTLE ASIAN

00:59:02.166 --> 00:59:03.833
COUNTRY, WE SHOULD
GO THERE TOO.

00:59:03.933 --> 00:59:04.900
THEY'RE ALL
GOING TO CHINA.

00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.967
HUDSON TAYLOR, CHINA
INLAND MISSION, AND THEY

00:59:07.067 --> 00:59:08.234
ENDED UP IN CHINA
BY ACCIDENT.

00:59:08.334 --> 00:59:09.900
I HEARD SOME OF THEM, AND
SOME OF THEM ARE LIKE, WE

00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.100
NEED TO GO THERE.


00:59:11.200 --> 00:59:12.166
OH.


00:59:12.266 --> 00:59:15.034
SO NOW WHEN WHEN KOREA
RECEIVED THE GOSPEL FROM

00:59:15.134 --> 00:59:18.233
AMERICA 100 YEARS AGO, IT
BORE FRUIT AFTER IT TAKES

00:59:18.333 --> 00:59:20.000
ABOUT THREE, FOUR, FIVE
GENERATIONS TO TOTALLY

00:59:20.100 --> 00:59:21.167
CHANGE, YOU KNOW?


00:59:21.267 --> 00:59:24.700
AND NOW SOUTH KOREA
HAS 55,000 PROTESTANT

00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.334
CHURCHES, AND MANY OF THEM
MOVED TO AMERICA TO PLANT

00:59:27.434 --> 00:59:28.933
CHURCHES HERE.


00:59:29.033 --> 00:59:30.900
SO IT'S LIKE YOU
REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:32.400
SO I LOVE THIS.


00:59:32.500 --> 00:59:35.200
THE FACT THAT AMERICA IS
STILL A LIGHT ON THE HILL

00:59:35.300 --> 00:59:38.233
AND SALT OF THE WORLD, AND
WE STILL FIGHT THE GOOD

00:59:38.333 --> 00:59:39.566
FIGHT AND THERE'S
STILL HOPE.

00:59:39.666 --> 00:59:41.100
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.


00:59:41.200 --> 00:59:43.333
REBECCA: AND I LOVE HEARING
WHAT YOU SAY THAT.

00:59:43.433 --> 00:59:44.467
THAT YOU'RE GRATEFUL
FOR THIS COUNTRY.

00:59:44.567 --> 00:59:46.500
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S
JUST SO MUCH NEGATIVITY

00:59:46.600 --> 00:59:49.567
AND IT'S KIND OF MOVING
THE PERSPECTIVE THE WRONG

00:59:49.667 --> 00:59:51.233
DIRECTION, WHERE IT'S
LIKE, WE SHOULD BE

00:59:51.333 --> 00:59:53.000
GRATEFUL FOR
WHAT WE DO HAVE.

00:59:53.100 --> 00:59:55.300
YEAH, IT'S NOT PERFECT,
BUT COMPARED TO OTHER

00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:56.933
PLACES, WE HAVE SO MUCH
OPPORTUNITY AND WE SHOULD

00:59:57.033 --> 00:59:59.100
MAKE THE MOST OF IT TO
SPREAD GOD'S KINGDOM.

00:59:59.200 --> 00:59:59.833
STEVE: AMEN.


00:59:59.933 --> 01:00:00.666
REBECCA: AND CHANGE THINGS.


01:00:00.766 --> 01:00:01.733
STEVE: YEAH.


01:00:01.833 --> 01:00:04.733
AND I YES, I'M I BELIEVE
EVERY TRUE BELIEVER IS A

01:00:04.833 --> 01:00:06.433
PATRIOT BECAUSE IN THE
BIBLE IT SAYS HONOR THE

01:00:06.533 --> 01:00:07.234
KING.


01:00:07.334 --> 01:00:08.500
WE DON'T HAVE
KINGS ANYMORE.

01:00:08.600 --> 01:00:10.634
BUT PAUL, WHO GOT KILLED
BY THE KING IN THE ROMAN

01:00:10.734 --> 01:00:12.333
EMPIRE, DIDN'T SAY REVOLT.


01:00:12.433 --> 01:00:13.533
KILL CAESAR.


01:00:13.633 --> 01:00:15.266
HE SAID, HONOR THE KING.


01:00:15.366 --> 01:00:16.933
PRAY FOR CAESAR
TO BE SAVED.

01:00:17.033 --> 01:00:18.566
BLESS THE ROMAN EMPIRE.


01:00:18.666 --> 01:00:21.567
IT WASN'T LIKE, LET'S
DO A REVOLUTION.

01:00:21.667 --> 01:00:22.133
REBECCA: BURN IT DOWN.


01:00:22.233 --> 01:00:22.700
YEAH, YEAH.


01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:23.467
STEVE: NO, NO.


01:00:23.567 --> 01:00:25.733
WE OUR WEAPONS ARE MIGHTY.


01:00:25.833 --> 01:00:27.767
CHRISTIANITY IS ALL ABOUT
LOVING THE UNLOVABLE,

01:00:27.867 --> 01:00:30.133
FORGIVING THE
UNFORGIVABLE, AND BLESSING

01:00:30.233 --> 01:00:33.567
THE UNBLESSABLE AND SERVING
THE LEAST OF THESE AND NOT

01:00:33.667 --> 01:00:35.433
HAVING TO PROMOTE
OR DEFEND MYSELF.

01:00:35.533 --> 01:00:38.100
JESUS IS A HE'S HE'S HE'S
HE'S RAISING UP SAINTS ALL

01:00:38.200 --> 01:00:39.366
OVER AMERICA.


01:00:39.466 --> 01:00:42.800
AND I BELIEVE CHARLIE KIRK
WAS THE SUMMARY OF WHAT A

01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:45.267
BELIEVER SHOULD LOOK
LIKE IN THE YEAR 2025.

01:00:45.367 --> 01:00:45.900
REBECCA: YEAH, I AGREE.


01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:47.867
STEVE: SPEAKING TRUTH.


01:00:47.967 --> 01:00:50.366
YOU KNOW, I TELL ALL OUR
CHURCH FRIENDS FAITH IS

01:00:50.466 --> 01:00:53.100
SPELLED F I G H T.


01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:54.233
YEAH.


01:00:54.333 --> 01:00:55.100
IF YOU'RE NOT FIGHTING,
IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT

01:00:55.200 --> 01:00:57.000
SAVED. IF YOU'RE
NOT SAVING OTHERS,

01:00:57.100 --> 01:00:58.733
CHARLES SPURGEON
SAID, BE SURE OF THIS.

01:00:58.833 --> 01:00:59.833
YOU YOURSELF
ARE NOT SAVED.

01:00:59.933 --> 01:01:01.733
YOU THINK YOU ARE, BUT
YOU'RE NOT SAVED IF YOU

01:01:01.833 --> 01:01:03.267
DON'T CARE ABOUT
OTHER SOULS.

01:01:03.367 --> 01:01:05.233
YOU'RE JUST IN THE
CHRISTIAN CULTURE.

01:01:05.333 --> 01:01:09.600
SO YEAH, WHEN OUR BROTHER
CHARLIE GOT MURDERED, LIKE

01:01:09.700 --> 01:01:11.567
ALL MY FRIENDS WHO NEVER
EVANGELIZED STARTED

01:01:11.667 --> 01:01:13.833
EVANGELIZING, ALL OF A
SUDDEN I WAS LIKE, HEY,

01:01:13.933 --> 01:01:15.700
I'VE BEEN CALLING YOU
FOR FIVE YEARS.

01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:17.667
NOW YOU COME OUT. THEY'RE
LIKE, YEAH, I NEED TO.

01:01:17.767 --> 01:01:19.066
REBECCA: IT WOKE PEOPLE UP.


01:01:19.166 --> 01:01:20.167
STEVE: YEAH.


01:01:20.267 --> 01:01:21.367
THE BLOOD OF THE MARTYR
SPEAKS LIKE THE BLOOD OF

01:01:21.467 --> 01:01:22.533
ABEL


01:01:22.633 --> 01:01:25.267
SPEAKS LOUDER THAN, YOU
KNOW, ALL THESE SACRIFICES

01:01:25.367 --> 01:01:26.400
AND RELIGIOUS OFFERINGS.


01:01:26.500 --> 01:01:27.400
SO, YEAH.


01:01:27.500 --> 01:01:29.334
SO I REALLY BELIEVE
GOD IS ON THE MOVE.

01:01:29.434 --> 01:01:30.833
THERE'S STILL
HOPE ON EARTH.

01:01:30.933 --> 01:01:33.667
REBECCA: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO
THE PERSON WHO'S WATCHING

01:01:33.767 --> 01:01:36.466
THAT MIGHT BE STRUGGLING
IN THEIR FAITH, BUT

01:01:36.566 --> 01:01:38.966
THEY'RE THEY'RE INSPIRED
LISTENING TO YOUR

01:01:39.066 --> 01:01:41.800
TESTIMONY, WHAT WOULD YOUR
ENCOURAGEMENT TO THEM BE?

01:01:41.900 --> 01:01:42.967
STEVE: OH, YES.


01:01:43.067 --> 01:01:44.700
THANK YOU FOR SAYING
THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT

01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:45.767
MATTERS.


01:01:45.867 --> 01:01:49.200
YOU KNOW, GOD'S NOT
IMPRESSED BY PEOPLE DOING

01:01:49.300 --> 01:01:50.667
INTERVIEWS AND HAVING
BIG FOLLOWINGS.

01:01:50.767 --> 01:01:54.034
HE'S HE'S HE'S IMPRESSED
BY ONE THING A CONTRITE

01:01:54.134 --> 01:01:57.434
SPIRIT AND BEING POOR IN
SPIRIT AND BEING HUNGRY

01:01:57.534 --> 01:01:58.367
FOR GOD.


01:01:58.467 --> 01:02:01.400
SO MY ONLY MY
ENCOURAGEMENT WOULD BE

01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:04.833
LOOK AT ME, ULTIMATE
BACKSLIDER, SUICIDAL.

01:02:04.933 --> 01:02:08.100
LIKE YOU KNOW, I GIVE YOU
THE LIKE ONE HOUR VERSION,

01:02:08.200 --> 01:02:10.400
BUT IF I GAVE YOU THE
EIGHT HOUR VERSION, I

01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:14.033
BACKSLID SO MUCH THAT I
THOUGHT, REBECCA, THAT I

01:02:14.133 --> 01:02:15.634
WAS THE ONLY CHRISTIAN
THAT SAW HELL THAT WOULD

01:02:15.734 --> 01:02:19.100
GO BACK TO HELL.
LIKE I JUST KNEW

01:02:19.200 --> 01:02:20.934
I'M GONNA GO BACK BECAUSE
MY LIFESTYLE DIDN'T MATCH

01:02:21.034 --> 01:02:22.734
MY TESTIMONY.


01:02:22.834 --> 01:02:24.134
AND I MEET SO MANY
BELIEVERS THAT SAY, YOU

01:02:24.234 --> 01:02:25.767
KNOW, I USED TO RUN
WITH GOD, STEVE.

01:02:25.867 --> 01:02:27.867
I GOT HURT IN THE CHURCH
LIKE I'M HOPELESS.

01:02:27.967 --> 01:02:29.666
I'M ADDICTED TO ABC.


01:02:29.766 --> 01:02:32.100
AND I TELL THEM, THERE'S
HOPE, BROTHER, IF YOU

01:02:32.200 --> 01:02:34.200
RECOGNIZE IT, IF YOU.


01:02:34.300 --> 01:02:36.067
THERE'S ONLY ONE
THING YOU GOTTA DO.

01:02:36.167 --> 01:02:38.267
RECOGNIZE THAT YOU NEED
HELP AND CALL OUT HELP TO

01:02:38.367 --> 01:02:38.900
GOD.


01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:39.933
AND HE WILL HELP YOU.


01:02:40.033 --> 01:02:42.267
BECAUSE AFTER STRIVING
AND HAVING ALL THESE

01:02:42.367 --> 01:02:45.334
BACKSLIDING EVENTS, I JUST
SAID, GOD, I CAN'T DO THIS

01:02:45.434 --> 01:02:46.567
ANYMORE.


01:02:46.667 --> 01:02:48.667
LIKE YOU SAID,
END OF MYSELF.

01:02:48.767 --> 01:02:51.066
AND HE TOOK OVER AND I
CONFESSED MY SINS TO MY

01:02:51.166 --> 01:02:52.334
CHRISTIAN FRIENDS.


01:02:52.434 --> 01:02:54.900
THE BIBLE SAYS, CONFESS
YOUR SINS TO ONE ANOTHER

01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:55.967
AND YOU'LL BE HEALED.


01:02:56.067 --> 01:02:57.900
SO I SAID, MAN, I
HAVE NO FRIENDS.

01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:59.000
I SHOULD JUST
TELL THE WHOLE.

01:02:59.100 --> 01:03:01.900
SO I TOLD FACEBOOK AND MY
YOUTH KIDS AND LIKE THEY

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:05.266
TOOK IT WELL, THEY'RE
LIKE, WE FORGIVE YOU FOR

01:03:05.366 --> 01:03:08.833
LIKE SMOKING ON MONDAY,
LOOKING AT STUPID STUFF ON

01:03:08.933 --> 01:03:13.200
WEDNESDAY, HAVING HIDDEN
SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET.

01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:15.900
BUT SINCE YOU CONFESSED
IT, PASTOR STEVE, BROTHER

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:17.066
STEVE, WE FORGIVE YOU.


01:03:17.166 --> 01:03:19.467
AND WHEN I DID THAT, THOSE
SINS LEFT MY LIFE AS IF

01:03:19.567 --> 01:03:20.467
THEY NEVER EXISTED.


01:03:20.567 --> 01:03:21.567
AND THEN.


01:03:21.667 --> 01:03:23.500
NOW I'M NOT SAYING I'M
PERFECT, BUT WAY BETTER

01:03:23.600 --> 01:03:25.866
THAN 27 YEARS AGO.


01:03:25.966 --> 01:03:28.033
AND ANYONE LISTENING,
THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU.

01:03:28.133 --> 01:03:29.800
YOU JUST GOT KNOWLEDGE
AND TRUST IN GOD.

01:03:29.900 --> 01:03:31.767
HE WILL DO IT 100%.


01:03:31.867 --> 01:03:33.334
AND SOME PEOPLE SAY,
WHAT IF HE DOESN'T?

01:03:33.434 --> 01:03:35.134
AND MY QUESTION IS,
WHAT IF HE DOES?

01:03:35.234 --> 01:03:36.400
BECAUSE HE WILL.


01:03:36.500 --> 01:03:37.600
REBECCA: HE WILL.


01:03:37.700 --> 01:03:38.900
STEVE: HE WILL STAY FAITHFUL
WITH YOU TO THE VERY END.

01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:40.000
HE'S SO GOOD.


01:03:40.100 --> 01:03:42.334
I'M HERE BECAUSE OF GOD'S
GRACE AND YOU, AND WE'RE

01:03:42.434 --> 01:03:43.367
ALL HERE BECAUSE
OF HIS GRACE.

01:03:43.467 --> 01:03:44.400
HE'S GOING TO
TAKE YOU HOME.

01:03:44.500 --> 01:03:46.133
HE'S HE'S HE'S LOYAL.


01:03:46.233 --> 01:03:47.433
HE'S TRUSTWORTHY.


01:03:47.533 --> 01:03:48.400
AMEN.


01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:50.300
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.


01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.100
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK
THAT THE ENEMY ENEMY WANTS

01:03:53.200 --> 01:03:55.800
US TO STAY IN SHAME AND
TO KEEP THINGS HIDDEN.

01:03:55.900 --> 01:03:57.634
BUT THE MOMENT YOU
CONFESS, THE BIBLE SAYS,

01:03:57.734 --> 01:03:59.766
LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING
IT IN LITTLE LIGHT.

01:03:59.866 --> 01:04:01.733
AND IT'S LIKE WE HAVE
FELLOWSHIP IN THE LIGHT.

01:04:01.833 --> 01:04:02.634
STEVE: AMEN.


01:04:02.734 --> 01:04:03.734
REBECCA: AND IT
BREAKS THAT POWER.

01:04:03.834 --> 01:04:05.800
AND IT SAYS, THE BLOOD OF
CHRIST FORGIVES US AND

01:04:05.900 --> 01:04:07.133
CLEANSES US.


01:04:07.233 --> 01:04:08.400
AND SO THAT.


01:04:08.500 --> 01:04:09.833
BUT YOU WERE HUMBLE
ENOUGH, AND I JUST THINK

01:04:09.933 --> 01:04:12.367
PEOPLE EITHER PRIDEFUL OR
THEY'RE CAUGHT IN SHAME

01:04:12.467 --> 01:04:13.900
AND THERE IS NO
SHAME IN CHRIST.

01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:15.366
THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION.


01:04:15.466 --> 01:04:17.967
BUT WHEN YOU BRING THAT INTO
THE LIGHT, THE POWER OF SIN,

01:04:18.067 --> 01:04:20.167
IT LOST HOLD OVER YOU BECAUSE
IT WAS NO LONGER HIDDEN.

01:04:20.267 --> 01:04:22.300
YOU WERE ABLE TO
WALK IN FREEDOM.

01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:26.033
YOU JUST HAVE TO BE HUMBLE
AND HONEST AND OPEN AND

01:04:26.133 --> 01:04:28.367
CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND
THAT GOD IS OUR SOURCE.

01:04:28.467 --> 01:04:29.734
WE ARE NOT OUR SOURCE.


01:04:29.834 --> 01:04:32.367
AND TO REALLY LIVE
WITH THE END IN MIND.

01:04:32.467 --> 01:04:34.200
THAT VISION OF HEAVEN THAT
YOU HAD, KNOWING WE'RE

01:04:34.300 --> 01:04:35.433
GOING TO BE THERE ONE DAY.


01:04:35.533 --> 01:04:38.533
WE WANT TO BRING AS MANY
PEOPLE TO HEAVEN WITH US.

01:04:38.633 --> 01:04:39.567
WE WANT TO.


01:04:39.667 --> 01:04:42.100
WE WANT TO MAKE HELL
EMPTY AND HEAVEN FULL.

01:04:42.200 --> 01:04:42.800
STEVE: YES.


01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:43.466
YES.


01:04:43.566 --> 01:04:44.466
YES, HUMBLE.


01:04:44.566 --> 01:04:45.033
HONEST.


01:04:45.133 --> 01:04:45.900
OPEN, I LOVE THAT.


01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:46.300
YES.


01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:46.867
AMEN.


01:04:46.967 --> 01:04:47.367
SO GOOD.


01:04:47.467 --> 01:04:48.467
REBECCA: SO GOOD.


01:04:48.567 --> 01:04:49.966
WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU SO MUCH JUST FOR

01:04:50.066 --> 01:04:51.100
BEING HERE.


01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:53.533
AND WE HAVE YOUR BOOK,
<i>EIGHT HOURS IN HELL</i> .

01:04:53.633 --> 01:04:54.467
IT'S OUT.


01:04:54.567 --> 01:04:55.600
SO.


01:04:55.700 --> 01:04:56.767
AND YOU, THIS IS PROBABLY
THE EIGHT HOUR VERSION.

01:04:56.867 --> 01:04:57.466
THIS HAS ALL THE STUFF.


01:04:57.566 --> 01:04:58.266
IN IT.


01:04:58.366 --> 01:04:58.866
YEAH?


01:04:58.966 --> 01:04:59.967
STEVE: YEAH.


01:05:00.067 --> 01:05:01.900
WELL, LIKE, PHYSICALLY
I WAS IN HELL FOR EIGHT

01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:04.133
HOURS, BUT IT FELT BOTH
LIKE FIVE MINUTES AND

01:05:04.233 --> 01:05:05.300
ETERNITY.


01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:06.700
REBECCA: OH, NO, I MEANT LIKE,
THIS IS THE ONE HOUR

01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:08.133
VERSION INTERVIEW.


01:05:08.233 --> 01:05:09.200
THIS HAS, LIKE, ALL
THE DETAILS IN IT.

01:05:09.300 --> 01:05:09.567
STEVE: YES.


01:05:09.667 --> 01:05:10.067
YES.


01:05:10.167 --> 01:05:11.100
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:11.900
SO THEY NEED TO GET
THIS IF THEY WANT TO GET

01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:12.567
THE FULL STUFF.


01:05:12.667 --> 01:05:13.200
YEP.


01:05:13.300 --> 01:05:14.000
STEVE: YEAH.


01:05:14.100 --> 01:05:15.000
YES.


01:05:15.100 --> 01:05:16.733
REBECCA: BUT THAT'S AWESOME.


01:05:16.833 --> 01:05:18.566
CAN YOU CLOSE THIS
OUT WITH A PRAYER?

01:05:18.666 --> 01:05:18.933
STEVE: YEAH.


01:05:19.033 --> 01:05:19.467
YEAH.


01:05:19.567 --> 01:05:20.267
THANK YOU.


01:05:20.367 --> 01:05:21.733
YEAH I'D LOVE
TO PRAY TO GOD.

01:05:21.833 --> 01:05:22.467
PRAYER IS EVERYTHING.


01:05:22.567 --> 01:05:24.500
IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE.


01:05:24.600 --> 01:05:26.634
THE BIBLE SAYS TO COME
BOLDLY INTO THE THRONE

01:05:26.734 --> 01:05:29.400
ROOM OF GRACE
IN TIME OF NEED.

01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:32.900
BECAUSE WE LIVE IN VERY
SHAKY TIMES, END TIMES,

01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:34.367
EVERYTHING SHIFTING.


01:05:34.467 --> 01:05:36.500
WITHOUT CHRIST, WE
CANNOT SURVIVE ANYMORE.

01:05:36.600 --> 01:05:38.766
I FEEL LIKE GOD'S COMING
BACK VERY SOON, AND THE

01:05:38.866 --> 01:05:41.933
LORD IS CALLING YOU TO BE
WHOLLY SURRENDERED TO HIM,

01:05:42.033 --> 01:05:44.566
NOT BY STRIVING OR BY
EFFORT, BUT BY, LIKE YOU

01:05:44.666 --> 01:05:47.433
SAID EARLIER, HUMBLE,
HONEST AND OPEN TO BE

01:05:47.533 --> 01:05:49.433
HUMBLE AND HONEST
AND OPEN BEFORE GOD.

01:05:49.533 --> 01:05:51.733
SO, FATHER, I WANT TO PRAY
FOR ALL THE LISTENERS OF

01:05:51.833 --> 01:05:55.033
DAYSTAR AND SISTER, YOUR
YOUR PRECIOUS BELOVED

01:05:55.133 --> 01:05:56.733
DAUGHTER REBECCA'S
PODCAST.

01:05:56.833 --> 01:05:57.833
AND THIS IS MINISTRY,


01:05:57.933 --> 01:06:00.733
GOD, YOU HAVE A NEW FORM
OF MINISTRY IN THESE LAST

01:06:00.833 --> 01:06:03.967
DAYS, Q&A INTERVIEWS WHERE
IT MIGHT NOT BE A SERMON,

01:06:04.067 --> 01:06:06.400
BUT IT'S SO POWERFUL
BECAUSE YOU USING

01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:07.333
TECHNOLOGY,


01:06:07.433 --> 01:06:09.634
LORD, TO ALL THE
LISTENERS, WE PRAY FOR

01:06:09.734 --> 01:06:12.500
YOUR GRACE, HEAVENLY
FATHER, TO FALL UPON THEM

01:06:12.600 --> 01:06:15.334
IN JESUS' NAME, TO BE
HUMBLE AND HOLY AND OPEN,

01:06:15.434 --> 01:06:18.000
TO BE ACKNOWLEDGING
THEIR NEED FOR YOU.

01:06:18.100 --> 01:06:19.367
THAT EVERY SINGLE
ONE, THERE'S HOPE.

01:06:19.467 --> 01:06:20.433
YOU'RE GOING TO
RESTORE THEM.

01:06:20.567 --> 01:06:23.400
RESTORE THE LOST CALLING
TWOFOLD LIKE JOB, RESTORE

01:06:23.500 --> 01:06:25.834
THE POWER OF THE HOLY
SPIRIT, AND FOR SOME,

01:06:25.934 --> 01:06:28.633
BRING FRESH ANOINTING
GOD TO SAVE SOULS.

01:06:28.733 --> 01:06:31.433
GOD, WE WERE NOT SAVED
TO BE CHURCHY PEOPLE.

01:06:31.533 --> 01:06:34.333
WE GOT SAVED TO WORSHIP,
TO SAVE SOULS, AND ONE DAY

01:06:34.433 --> 01:06:36.433
TO HOPEFULLY BE
A MARTYR FOR YOU.

01:06:36.533 --> 01:06:38.300
I PRAY ALL THE LISTENERS
CAN DIE FOR YOU ONE DAY,

01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.500
LORD, THEN NONE OF
US WOULD BE AFRAID.

01:06:40.600 --> 01:06:41.700
IT IS ONLY ONE LIFE.


01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:42.767
IT WILL SOON BE PAST.


01:06:42.867 --> 01:06:45.166
ONLY WHAT'S DONE FOR
JESUS CHRIST WILL LAST.

01:06:45.266 --> 01:06:47.433
I PRAY FOR THE POWER OF
THE CROSS, THE POWER OF

01:06:47.533 --> 01:06:51.167
THE GOSPEL, OF WHICH WE'RE
NOT ASHAMED THAT YOU OPEN

01:06:51.267 --> 01:06:53.033
NEW DOORS OF THE GOSPEL,
SHARING FOR EVERYONE

01:06:53.133 --> 01:06:55.433
LISTENING GOD, THAT THE
HOLY SPIRIT WILL FLOW FROM

01:06:55.533 --> 01:06:58.134
YOUR THRONE ROOM TO THE
NATIONS DAYSTAR'S REACHING

01:06:58.234 --> 01:07:00.100
TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH,
THAT EVERY LISTENER BE

01:07:00.200 --> 01:07:02.733
QUICKENED, AWAKENED,
BLESSED, EMPOWERED, AND

01:07:02.833 --> 01:07:04.300
ENCOURAGED AND CALLED.


01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:07.100
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ALL
OF US EYES TO SEE AND EARS

01:07:07.200 --> 01:07:10.566
TO HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT OF
JESUS CHRIST IS SAYING TO

01:07:10.666 --> 01:07:11.834
THE CHURCH, THE
BODY OF CHRIST

01:07:11.934 --> 01:07:13.266
IN THESE LAST DAYS.


01:07:13.366 --> 01:07:15.567
WE WANT TO BE HOLY AND
PURE AT YOUR COMING GOD.

01:07:15.667 --> 01:07:16.733
SO HELP US, FATHER.


01:07:16.833 --> 01:07:18.367
IT'S ALL BY YOUR GRACE.


01:07:18.467 --> 01:07:19.567
WE GIVE YOU ALL THE GLORY,


01:07:19.667 --> 01:07:23.600
FATHER, AND IN JESUS'
MIGHTY NAME WE PRAY.

01:07:23.700 --> 01:07:25.367
AMEN AND AMEN.


01:07:25.467 --> 01:07:26.767
REBECCA: AMEN, AMEN.


01:07:26.867 --> 01:07:27.134
THANK YOU


01:07:27.234 --> 01:07:28.134
SO MUCH.


01:07:28.234 --> 01:07:29.400
STEVE: THANK YOU REBECCA,
ALL GLORY TO GOD.

01:07:29.500 --> 01:07:31.100
IT'S AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU.
THANK YOU.