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REBECCA LAMB WEISS: HEY GUYS,
WELCOME BACK TO THE PODCAST.

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I AM JOINED WITH
JUERGEN AND LEANNE.

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SO EXCITED TO
HAVE YOU GUYS.

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AND JONATHAN, THANKS
FOR JOINING US, TOO.

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I JUST KEEP DRAGGING
HIM ONTO EPISODES.

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I'M LIKE, YOU'RE
GONNA DO THIS?

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JUERGEN MATTHESIUS: WELL,
HE IS EYE CANDY.

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SO WELL DONE.


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REBECCA: EXACTLY.


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YOU KNOW EXACTLY
WHERE I'M WORKING.

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IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE
WITH A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR.

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JONATHAN WEISS:
I KNOW, IT'S GREAT.

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BEEN LAUGHING ALL DAY.


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REBECCA: WE DO
ALL KINDS OF INTERVIEWS,

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AND SOME ARE
REALLY SERIOUS,

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WHICH IS NICE TO
KIND OF FEEL LIKE

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YOU CAN BREATHE
A LITTLE BIT.

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JUERGEN: IT IS.


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REBECCA: BUT Y'ALL, I REMEMBER
YOU GUYS FROM SO MANY YEARS BACK

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WHEN MY DAD
CAME AND MINISTERED.

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BOTH: YES.


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REBECCA: AND SO WHEN I SAW Y'ALL
WERE COMING THROUGH TOWN,

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I WAS LIKE, OH, I REMEMBER
I LIKED THEM SO MUCH.

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I WAS LIKE, I WANT
TO TALK TO THEM.

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AND THEN I DRAGGED
JONATHAN INTO IT.

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SO YOU GUYS ARE NEW
TO THE PODCAST AUDIENCE,

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SO I DO WANT YOU GUYS TO KIND OF
TELL SOME OF YOUR TESTIMONY

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AND BACKSTORY.


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LEANNE MATTHESIUS:
YEAH, OKAY.

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JONATHAN: AND LOVE STORY,
WHILE WE'RE AT IT.

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REBECCA: I WANTED TO
DO THAT, TOO.

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JONATHAN: THAT'S FUN.


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REBECCA: BECAUSE IT'S JUST,
EVERYONE LOVES A GOOD STORY.

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JUERGEN: A GOOD STORY.


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WELL, I'M GOING TO THROW
MY WIFE UNDER THE BUS

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AND LET HER LOOSE BECAUSE SHE
GOT SAVED IN A SNAKE PIT.

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TELL US ABOUT THAT, BABE.


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LEANNE: WELL, IT WAS,
I ACTUALLY GOT,

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WELL, YEAH.


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OKAY.


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LET ME GIVE SOME CONTEXT.


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SO IT WAS ACTUALLY AT
A BASKETBALL STADIUM

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IN MY HOMETOWN OF WOLLONGONG,
AND I WAS PART OF

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AN ANGLICAN CHURCH GROUP
IN AUSTRALIA,

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AND THERE WAS THIS BASKETBALL
STADIUM CALLED THE SNAKE PIT.

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AND I WENT WITH A WHOLE
BUNCH OF FRIENDS.

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AND I'M NOT SURE IF
YOU'VE HEARD OF CANON J. JOHN.

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REBECCA: OH YES, I LOVE HIM.


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LEANNE: THE U.K.


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YEAH, HE WAS SPEAKING.


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JUERGEN: JESUS.


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LEANNE: YEAH.


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JERGEN:
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

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LEANNE: YEAH.


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SO I WAS ABOUT 12 YEARS OF
AGE, AND HE DID AN APPEAL

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FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE
RAISED IN A CHRISTIAN HOME

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BUT HADN'T MADE THEIR
OWN DECISION FOR CHRIST.

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AND SO THAT'S WHERE I
GAVE MY LIFE TO THE LORD.

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AND MY MUM AND DAD WERE
BEAUTIFUL CHRISTIAN PEOPLE.

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AND I WENT TO CHURCH FROM
AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.

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BUT IT WAS THAT DAY THAT
REALLY SEALED IT FOR ME.

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LIKE --


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JONATHAN:
HOW OLD WERE YOU?

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LEANNE: JUST MY MY FAITH,
MY PARENTS' FAITH,

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I WAS 12, YEAH.


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SO JUST COMING INTO THOSE
ARDUOUS TEENAGE YEARS.

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SO IT WAS LIKE
PERFECT TIMING.

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BUT THAT'S HOW
I GOT SAVED.

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JUERGEN: AND 38 YEARS
LATER THIS JANUARY.

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LEANNY'S SPEAKING
FOR J. JOHN

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AT HIS EVANGELISM
CONFERENCE IN LONDON.

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LEANNE: YEAH.


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WE'RE GOING TO BE
IN LONDON TOGETHER.

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JUERGEN: YEAH.


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REBECCA: FULL CIRCLE.


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JUERGEN: FULL CIRCLE.


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LEANNE: YEAH.


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REBECCA: I LOVE HOW
GOD WORKS EVERYTHING.

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LEANNE: YEAH, YEAH.


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JUERGEN: IT'S AMAZING.


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REBECCA: SO COOL.


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DID YOU GET FILLED WITH
THE SPIRIT RIGHT AWAY OR...?

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LEANNE: NO, I DIDN'T.
I WAS 15,

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SO I DIDN'T COME FROM
A SPIRIT-FILLED FAMILY.

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WE WERE PART OF THE
ANGLICAN CHURCH IN AUSTRALIA,

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AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WAS
JUST NEVER SPOKEN ABOUT.

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AND IN FACT, I WOULD SAY IT WAS
PROBABLY ALMOST SPOKEN AGAINST.

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BUT I WAS ALWAYS, YOU
KNOW, WE WERE ALWAYS

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HUNGRY FOR THE
THINGS OF GOD.

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AND THEN WHEN I MET JUERGEN, AND
HE WAS THIS RADICAL FOR JESUS

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IN ALL
THE BEST WAYS,

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AND HE REALLY INTRODUCED
OUR ENTIRE FAMILY

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TO THE THINGS OF
THE HOLY SPIRIT.

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REBECCA: WOW.


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LEANNE: PRAYED FOR ME.
PRAYED FOR MY MUM.

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JUERGEN: I WOULD ALWAYS GET INTO
ARGUMENTS WITH HER MUM.

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YEAH, HER MUM WENT TO SEMINARY
AND I WAS GOING TO

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BIBLE COLLEGE, AND SHE
WENT TO A SEMINARY THAT WAS A,

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YOU KNOW, A
CESSATION THEOLOGY, YOU KNOW,

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THE GIFTS HAVE CEASED.


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AND SO I WOULD GET INTO
ARGUMENTS. AND THEN ONE DAY,

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ONE DAY, SHE, YOU KNOW, WAS
GOING THROUGH A MEDICAL THING

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WITH HER HEART AND
ASKED ME TO PRAY FOR HER.

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AND I PRAYED FOR HER,
AND SHE GOT SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT.

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AND THEN HER FRIEND
STARTED SPEAKING IN TONGUES

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WHEN I
PRAYED FOR HER.

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AND THEN I PRAYED FOR LEANNE'S
MUM, AND SHE GOT BAPTIZED

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IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
STARTED SPEAKING IN TONGUES,

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AND THEN LEANNE NEXT.


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AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF
WENT THROUGH THE FAMILY

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ONE BY ONE, REALLY.


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LEANNE: MUM, DAD, FOUR SISTERS.


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REBECCA: FOUR SISTERS?!


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WHERE ARE YOU


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IN THE BIRTH ORDER?


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LEANNE: I'M NUMBER FOUR.


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OH, SO I HAVE THREE
ELDER AND ONE YOUNGER.

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YEAH.


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REBECCA: WOW.


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JUERGEN: AND SHE'S THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL OF ALL OF THEM.

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AND THEY'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL.


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JONATHAN: AMEN.


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REBECCA: THAT IS QUITE
A FAMILY, THOUGH.

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YEAH, THAT'S
A LOT OF WOMEN.

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LEANNE: A LOT OF WOMEN.


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MY DAD COPED VERY
WELL, ACTUALLY.

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I THINK EVEN THE
DOG WAS FEMALE.

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HE WAS SURROUNDED BY ESTROGEN,
BUT SURVIVED

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AND LOVES HIS GIRLS.


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WOULDN'T HAVE
IT ANY OTHER WAY.

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REBECCA: THAT'S SO SWEET.


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YEAH.


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OKAY, SO WE GOT A LITTLE
TASTE OF YOU IN THE STORY,

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SO TELL US YOUR STORY.


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JUERGEN: SO I GOT SAVED ON A
BEACH, SO I WAS BORN IN GERMANY,

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HENCE THE NAME
JUERGEN,

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SPELT WITH A J.


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LOOKS LIKE JUERGEN AND MY FAMILY
MIGRATED TO AUSTRALIA

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JUST BEFORE
MY THIRD BIRTHDAY.

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THERE WAS LIKE A
REAL SEVERE WINTER.

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DAD COULDN'T WORK AND MUM WAS
PREGNANT WITH MY LITTLE BROTHER

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AND SOMEONE
SAID TO HIM, HEY,

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YOU SHOULD
APPLY FOR THESE VISAS.

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THEY'RE LITERALLY GIVING
THEM AWAY TO GO TO AUSTRALIA.

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AUSTRALIA IS DESPERATE FOR
TRADESPEOPLE. AND MY FATHER WAS,

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HIS TRADE WAS
A CERAMIC TILER, YOU KNOW,

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DOING KITCHENS
AND BALCONIES.

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AND SO HE APPLIED.


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AND WITHIN SIX WEEKS, WE WERE ON
A ONE-WAY TRIP TO AUSTRALIA.

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SO I WAS BORN IN GERMANY,
GREW UP IN AUSTRALIA,

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BUT MY DAD GREW UP IN EAST
GERMANY UNDER COMMUNISM

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AND ATHEISM.


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SO THERE WAS NO FAITH.


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THERE WAS NEVER ANY GOD
IN OUR HOME, PER SE.

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BUT IT WAS SO FUNNY.


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IF I LOOK BACK NOW, THERE WERE
ALL THESE GOD MOMENTS.

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EVEN THOUGH I WENT TO
A PUBLIC SCHOOL,

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I THINK THAT AT THE END OF
THE PUBLIC SCHOOL PROPERTY,

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THERE WAS A CHURCH CALLED
SAINT AIDAN'S ANGLICAN CHURCH,

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AND I THINK THEY
ONCE OWNED ALL THAT LAND,

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AND THEY SOLD IT
TO THE GOVERNMENT

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TO BUILD
A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

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BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING
VERY, VERY HOLY,

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BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER WHEN
I GOT SAVED, THE SAME FEELINGS

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I HAD WHEN WE WOULD
DO CHRISTMAS CAROLS

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OR WHEN WE WOULD DO
EASTER AT THE SCHOOL,

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AND CHRIST WAS INTRODUCED.


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THERE WAS SOMETHING VERY,
VERY MAGICAL, EVEN THOUGH

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I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
THE GOSPEL.

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SO I ENDED UP, YOU KNOW,
DOING WHAT EVERY TEENAGER DOES.

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YOU KNOW, THE SEX, DRUGS,
ROCK AND ROLL, BOOZING,

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YOU KNOW, ALL THAT
KIND OF STUFF.

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BUT REALIZING THERE WAS
STILL SOMETHING MISSING

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AND I THOUGHT MAYBE WHAT
WAS MISSING WAS, YOU KNOW,

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SPORTING SUCCESS.


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AND I WAS ON THE AUSTRALIAN
AMATEUR SURFING CIRCUIT,

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AND I THOUGHT,
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I'D LOVE

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TO DO FOR A LIVING IS,
YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL SURFING.

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AND I GOT INVITED TO
GO INTO THIS JESUS PROAM.

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AND I REMEMBER JUST THINKING
LIKE, IT'S GOT TO BE A JOKE,

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RIGHT?


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AND THEY'RE LIKE,
NO, IT'S FOR REAL.

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THE CHRISTIAN SURFERS ARE
PUTTING ON $100,000,

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YOU KNOW, PRIZE MONEY.


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I'M LIKE, NO WAY.


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WHAT?


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ARE CHRISTIANS EVEN
ALLOWED TO SURF?

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BECAUSE THE ONLY
CHRISTIANS I KNEW

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DEFINED THEMSELVES BY
WHAT THEY DIDN'T DO.

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YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T
HAVE LONG HAIR.

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THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW,
DRINK OR SMOKE OR CHEW

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OR DATE THE GIRLS THAT DO
AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M LIKE,

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THIS IS GOING TO BE
LIKE TAKING CANDY FROM A BABY.

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AND I TURN UP, AND IT WAS
LIKE A GOD-ORDAINED WEEKEND.

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THERE SHOULD HAVE
BEEN NO SURF,

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BUT THE SURF WAS
LIKE DOUBLE OVERHEAD.

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THEY GET
ON THE BEACH

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AND THEY PRAY FOR THE SURF
TO SETTLE DOWN.

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AND I'M THINKING, THERE'S
NO WAY THE SURF'S SETTLING DOWN.

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THIS IS A MASSIVE STORM SWELL
THAT'S COME FROM OUT AT SEA

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RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES.


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OVER THE NEXT HOUR, THE
WIND CHANGES DIRECTION.

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IT GOES OFFSHORE, THE SURF
IS PERFECT, AND I'M LIKE,

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OH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT
HAPPENS WITH THE STORM SURF.

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THEY COME UP REALLY QUICK
AND THEN THEY DIE REALLY QUICK.

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YOU KNOW, BY TOMORROW,
THERE'LL BE NOTHING LEFT.

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IT'S STAYED LIKE THAT
THE WHOLE LONG WEEKEND.

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I MADE IT ALL THE
WAY TO THE FINALS.

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I DIDN'T WIN THE FINALS.


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I CAME FOURTH.


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BUT THE GUY THAT WON THE THE
FINAL GOT TO SHARE HIS TESTIMONY

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AT THE PRIZEGIVING.


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SO TO ME, I DIDN'T
KNOW PREACHING.

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I JUST THOUGHT
HE'S JUST, YOU KNOW,

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SPEAKING TO NUMBER ONE PRIZE,
HE'S JUST GOING TO SHARE.

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AND HE STARTED SHARING
HIS TESTIMONY, HIS STORY.

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AND THEN I'D NEVER
HEARD A STORY LIKE THAT.

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LIKE WHAT HE SAID, I'M
LIKE, GOD IS REAL.

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AND THEN I HEARD THIS
VOICE SAY, JUERGEN,

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WHAT HE'S TELLING YOU
IS THE TRUTH.

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AND I LOOK BEHIND ME
AND I THOUGHT I WAS SITTING

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AT THE BACK, AND I COULD
HAVE SWORE THERE WAS SOMEONE

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BEHIND ME THAT JUST SAID TO ME,
JUERGEN, WHAT HE'S TELLING YOU

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IS THE TRUTH.


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AND WHEN I TURNED AROUND,
THERE WAS NO ONE THERE.

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AND SO I LIKE THE HAIR STOOD UP
ON MY ARMS, I GOT GOOSEBUMPS,

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AND I'M LIKE,
THIS IS FREAKY.

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AND THEN HE GAVE AN ALTAR
CALL AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW,

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THERE ARE
PEOPLE HERE.

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YOU'VE TRIED DRUGS,
GIRLS, BOOZE, YOU KNOW,

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EVERYTHING, BUT YOU'RE
EMPTY ON THE INSIDE.

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YOU'VE GOT A GOD-SHAPED HOLE
THAT ONLY GOD CAN FULFILL.

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AND SO HE SAID, IF
THAT'S YOU, CLOSE YOUR EYES,

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PRAY THIS PRAYER.


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AND I REMEMBER CLOSING MY
EYES, PRAYING THE PRAYER.

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AND WHEN I
OPENED MY EYES,

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IT WAS LIKE THE
WHOLE WORLD WAS DIFFERENT.

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EVERYTHING WAS STILL IN
THE SAME PLACE, THE SAME TREES.

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BUT NOW I COULD
HEAR THE CICADAS.

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I COULD HEAR THE
BIRDS, I COULD,

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THE ONLY WAY I COULD
DESCRIBE IT WAS

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IT WAS LIKE
I WAS IN A DREAM.

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AND I AWOKE
FROM THE DREAM

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BECAUSE I DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND BORN AGAIN.

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I'D NEVER READ THE BIBLE.


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AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF
EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF A PREDICATE

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FOR WHY OUR
CHURCH IS CALLED AWAKEN,

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BECAUSE THAT WAS
MY ENCOUNTER.

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LIKE I HAD THIS AWAKENED, THIS
AWAKENING TO THE REALITY OF GOD.

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AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT
WE WANT TO BRING TO EVERYWHERE

00:09:03.533 --> 00:09:05.967
WHERE WE HAVE A CAMPUS,
IS THAT AWAKEN PEOPLE

00:09:06.067 --> 00:09:08.767
TO THE REALITY OF
GOD AND HIS GOODNESS.

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AND SO, YEAH, SO THAT WAS THAT
WAS 40 YEARS AGO THIS JANUARY.

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REBECCA: WOW.


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JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:09:14.467 --> 00:09:16.266
REBECCA: IT'S LIKE THAT VERSE,
AWAKE, O SLEEPER, ARISE

00:09:16.366 --> 00:09:17.733
FROM THE DEAD IN
CHRIST WILL SHINE.

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JUERGEN: SHINE ON YOU.


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REBECCA: YES.


00:09:19.267 --> 00:09:20.533
JUERGEN: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.


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REBECCA: THAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
I JUST LOVE HEARING THAT. OKAY.

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SO YOU GET SAVED.


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WELL, THEN WHAT WHAT
HAPPENS AFTER THAT?

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BECAUSE THAT'S JUST
LIKE THE FIRST STEP.

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JUERGEN: YEAH.


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I MEAN, IT WAS SO FUNNY.


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I MEAN, THERE'S SO
MANY PLACES WE CAN GO.

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I'LL TRY AND BE AS
SUCCINCT AS I CAN, BUT,

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YOU KNOW, I GET HOME AND I'VE
GOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE COME FOURTH.

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SO I'VE GOT A TROPHY AND
SOME PRIZES AND, YOU KNOW,

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I WALK IN AND MY
BROTHER'S LIKE, HOW'D YOU GO,

00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:42.500
HOW'D YOU GO?


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I SAID, I CAME FOURTH,
HE'S LIKE, FOURTH!

00:09:44.066 --> 00:09:45.867
I SAID, HERE'S MY TROPHY,
HERE'S MY PRIZES.

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I SAID, BUT GUYS,
EVEN BETTER.

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AND HE'S DRINKING WITH HIS
BUDDIES, AND HE'S ONLY 16.

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I'M 18, HE'S 16.


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HE'S DRINKING DAD'S
BEER WITH HIS FRIENDS.

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AND I SAID, BUT EVEN
BETTER THAN THE PRIZES, I SAID,

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I FOUND JESUS.
AND THEY'RE LAUGHING,

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THINKING IT WAS A JOKE BECAUSE
I WAS ALWAYS A JOKESTER.

00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.467
AND I'M LIKE, NO, GUYS,
I'M NOT JOKING RIGHT NOW.

00:10:04.567 --> 00:10:06.033
I'M FOR REAL.


00:10:06.133 --> 00:10:08.534
LIKE, I'VE FOUND JESUS.
AND THEY'RE LAUGHING.

00:10:08.634 --> 00:10:10.466
AND I'M LIKE, GUYS, LIKE, I
DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL YOU THIS,

00:10:10.566 --> 00:10:13.300
BUT LIKE, I FOUND
JESUS CHRIST.

00:10:13.400 --> 00:10:14.367
HE'S THE WAY, MAN.


00:10:14.467 --> 00:10:15.600
HE'S THE WAY.


00:10:15.700 --> 00:10:17.767
SO MY BROTHER, BECAUSE WE
LIVED IN A THREE-BEDROOM HOME

00:10:17.867 --> 00:10:20.334
AND MY BEDROOM WAS
BIGGER THAN HIS BEDROOM

00:10:20.434 --> 00:10:21.734
AND HE WANTED MY BEDROOM.


00:10:21.834 --> 00:10:23.467
AND MY MUM HAD THREATENED
ME THAT IF I COME HOME

00:10:23.567 --> 00:10:27.000
STONED ON MARIJUANA ONE
MORE TIME, SHE'S GOING TO

00:10:27.100 --> 00:10:28.233
KICK ME OUT OF THE HOUSE.


00:10:28.333 --> 00:10:31.700
SO HE RUNS UPSTAIRS, GOES
MUM, MUM, JUERGEN'S SMOKING POT,

00:10:31.800 --> 00:10:33.000
JUERGEN'S BEEN
SMOKING POT.

00:10:33.100 --> 00:10:36.867
SO SHE COMES DOWN AND SHE'S
LIKE, ARE YOU SMOKING MARIJUANA?

00:10:36.967 --> 00:10:40.067
I'M LIKE, MUM, NO, I FOUND
JESUS. AND SHE SLAPS ME.

00:10:40.167 --> 00:10:42.367
SHE GOES, DON'T BE
SILLY. HE'S NOT LOST.

00:10:42.467 --> 00:10:44.533
I'M LIKE, NO, I
WAS LOST, YOU KNOW?

00:10:44.633 --> 00:10:45.500
BUT I FOUND JESUS.


00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:46.633
SHE'S LIKE, WHAT
DO YOU MEAN?

00:10:46.733 --> 00:10:49.633
AND SHE'S LIKE, DOING THIS
IN MY FACE, YOU KNOW,

00:10:49.733 --> 00:10:52.000
THINKING I'M SMOKING POT,
AND I'M GOING, I'M LIKE,

00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:53.334
MUM, I HAVEN'T
BEEN SMOKING.

00:10:53.434 --> 00:10:55.400
SHE GOES, THAT'S IT.
GET OUT OF MY HOUSE.

00:10:55.500 --> 00:10:56.766
I TOLD YOU, SHE DIDN'T
BELIEVE THAT I WAS,

00:10:56.866 --> 00:10:58.067
I GOT BORN AGAIN.


00:10:58.167 --> 00:10:59.633
SHE'S LIKE, THIS
IS TOO RADICAL.

00:10:59.733 --> 00:11:01.400
YOU'VE GOT TO BE
HIGH ON SOMETHING.

00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:04.366
SO SHE GOES UPSTAIRS AND STARTS
RIPPING OUT ALL MY DRAWERS

00:11:04.466 --> 00:11:07.633
WITH MY CLOTHES AND
THROWING THEM OFF THE BALCONY.

00:11:07.733 --> 00:11:08.700
JONATHAN: OH MY GOSH.


00:11:08.800 --> 00:11:09.900
JUERGEN: SO ALL THE NEIGHBORS
ARE COMING OUT

00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:11.600
AND THEY'RE LOOKING AND
SHE'S YELLING AT ME, GOING,

00:11:11.700 --> 00:11:16.000
I DON'T WANT A SON SMOKING
MARIJUANA IN MY HOUSE.

00:11:16.100 --> 00:11:17.100
GET OUT.


00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:17.900
AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS
ARE LOOKING AND I'M LIKE,

00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.633
I'M NOT
SMOKING MARIJUANA.

00:11:19.733 --> 00:11:22.700
I'VE FOUND JESUS
AND THE, YOU KNOW.

00:11:22.800 --> 00:11:24.467
SO ANYWAY, SO I THROW
ALL MY CLOTHES IN MY CAR

00:11:24.567 --> 00:11:25.667
AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T
KNOW WHERE TO GO.

00:11:25.767 --> 00:11:27.133
LOOK, I'VE JUST
BEEN KICKED OUT.

00:11:27.233 --> 00:11:29.000
SO I DRIVE AROUND TO MY
BEST FRIEND'S HOUSE.

00:11:29.100 --> 00:11:30.834
HIS NAME WAS PAUL MASSEY.


00:11:30.934 --> 00:11:32.267
AND SO I GET AROUND THERE.


00:11:32.367 --> 00:11:33.467
I'M LIKE, PAUL, BRO,


00:11:33.567 --> 00:11:34.300
I GOT NOWHERE TO STAY.


00:11:34.400 --> 00:11:35.900
I'VE GOT TO
SLEEP IN MY CAR.

00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.433
AND HE'S LIKE, OH MAN, YOU
CAN SLEEP ON MY FLOOR.

00:11:38.533 --> 00:11:39.167
AND HE GOES,
WHAT HAPPENED?

00:11:39.267 --> 00:11:39.900
I TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED.


00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:40.700
HE GOES, HANG ON.


00:11:40.800 --> 00:11:42.500
HE GOES, I GO TO
MASS EVERY WEEK.

00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:43.900
I'VE NEVER
EXPERIENCED THAT.

00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:45.200
HE GOES, DO IT TO ME.


00:11:45.300 --> 00:11:46.100
I'M LIKE, DO WHAT?


00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:46.866
HE GOES, WELL,
I DON'T KNOW.

00:11:46.966 --> 00:11:47.767
YOU'RE DIFFERENT.


00:11:47.867 --> 00:11:48.700
WHATEVER.


00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:50.500
WHATEVER IS DONE TO
YOU, DO IT TO ME.

00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.634
AND I SAID,
OH, WELL, YOU,

00:11:52.734 --> 00:11:54.200
O GOD, YOU'VE GOT TO
BOW YOUR HEAD.

00:11:54.300 --> 00:11:55.234
HE GOES, WHAT?


00:11:55.334 --> 00:11:56.833
I SAID, YOU GOT TO
BOW YOUR HEAD AND SAID,

00:11:56.933 --> 00:11:58.534
YOU'RE NOT
ALLOWED TO PEEK.

00:11:58.634 --> 00:11:59.700
I SAID, EVERY EYE CLOSED.


00:11:59.800 --> 00:12:00.633
HE WAS LIKE THIS.


00:12:00.733 --> 00:12:03.267
I SAID, OH, YOU GOT
TO PRAY A PRAYER.

00:12:03.367 --> 00:12:04.167
HE GOES, OH YEAH,
I GOT THIS.

00:12:04.267 --> 00:12:06.133
HE GOES, YOU KNOW,
HOLY MARY,

00:12:06.233 --> 00:12:08.400
BLESSED BE
THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB.

00:12:08.500 --> 00:12:09.334
I SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT IT.


00:12:09.434 --> 00:12:09.933
MOTHER OF GOD.


00:12:10.033 --> 00:12:11.034
I SAID, THAT'S NOT IT.


00:12:11.134 --> 00:12:11.867
THAT'S NOT IT.


00:12:11.967 --> 00:12:13.500
HE GOES, OH, I
KNOW ANOTHER ONE.

00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.533
YOU KNOW, OUR FATHER, WHO --
I SAID, THAT'S NOT IT, EITHER.

00:12:15.633 --> 00:12:16.700
HE GOES, THEY'RE THE
ONLY TWO PRAYERS.

00:12:16.800 --> 00:12:18.400
I SAID, WELL, IT'S
A DIFFERENT ONE.

00:12:18.500 --> 00:12:20.300
AND I SAID, IT'S
SOMETHING ABOUT JESUS

00:12:20.400 --> 00:12:21.667
DYING ON THE CROSS.


00:12:21.767 --> 00:12:24.100
AND HE GOES, DIDN'T WORK.


00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.834
I'M LIKE, OH, I SAID, I DID
IT WRONG, I DID IT WRONG.

00:12:26.934 --> 00:12:27.933
BOW YOUR HEAD.


00:12:28.033 --> 00:12:29.866
I SAID, YOU GOT TO
CLOSE BOTH EYES.

00:12:29.966 --> 00:12:31.534
I SAID, YOU GOT TO
RAISE YOUR HAND.

00:12:31.634 --> 00:12:32.500
HE GOES, YOUR WHAT?


00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:33.334
I SAID, I DON'T KNOW.


00:12:33.434 --> 00:12:34.200
YOU'VE GOT TO
RAISE YOUR HAND

00:12:34.300 --> 00:12:35.267
BECAUSE I THOUGHT
IT WAS A FORMULA.

00:12:35.367 --> 00:12:36.334
REBECCA: YOU ALWAYS THINK
YOU RAISE YOUR HAND.

00:12:36.434 --> 00:12:36.934
JUERGEN: SO HE PUTS
HIS HEAD DOWN.

00:12:37.034 --> 00:12:37.700
HE RAISED HIS HAND.


00:12:37.800 --> 00:12:38.566
HE'S LIKE, THIS IS STUPID.


00:12:38.666 --> 00:12:40.000
I SAID, NO, STOP
IT, YOU GOT.

00:12:40.100 --> 00:12:42.433
SO HE'S LIKE THIS, I SAID,
AND HE GOES, OH,

00:12:42.533 --> 00:12:45.100
THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO
REPENT OF YOUR SINS

00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:46.034
BECAUSE REPENT
OF MY SINS.

00:12:46.134 --> 00:12:47.300
LIKE WHICH OF THEM?


00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:48.167
LIKE ALL OF THEM?


00:12:48.267 --> 00:12:49.233
SAID, YEAH, ALL OF THEM.


00:12:49.333 --> 00:12:51.500
HE GOES, OH, MAN, I
DON'T THINK WE GOT TIME.

00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:52.567
WELL, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO TELL ME.

00:12:52.667 --> 00:12:54.534
I SAID, JUST, YOU KNOW,
BETWEEN YOU AND GOD.

00:12:54.634 --> 00:12:55.700
AND SO HE DOES
THIS: REPENT.

00:12:55.800 --> 00:12:56.667
AND THEN HE
OPENS HIS EYES.

00:12:56.767 --> 00:12:58.167
HE GOES, OH MY GOD.


00:12:58.267 --> 00:13:00.067
HE GOES, I FEEL DIFFERENT,
I FEEL DIFFERENT.

00:13:00.167 --> 00:13:02.666
AND SO WE START GOING
TO CHRISTIAN SURFERS TOGETHER.

00:13:02.766 --> 00:13:04.633
ANYWAY, HE THEN TELLS ME,
WE'VE GOT TO GO TO CHURCH.

00:13:04.733 --> 00:13:06.534
I SAID, NO, NO, I DON'T THINK
WE'VE GOT TO GO TO CHURCH.

00:13:06.634 --> 00:13:08.367
HE GOES, YEAH, WE'VE
GOT TO GO TO CHURCH.

00:13:08.467 --> 00:13:10.867
AND SO WE GO TO
THE CATHOLIC MASS.

00:13:10.967 --> 00:13:12.933
AND I REMEMBER THIS, YOU KNOW,
THE HOLY WATER IN THE FRONT.

00:13:13.033 --> 00:13:13.967
SO WE DO THE
HOLY WATER THING.

00:13:14.067 --> 00:13:15.500
SO I THINK THAT'S
WHAT YOU GOT TO DO.

00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.433
AND I LOOK OVER AND
I SEE THE DRUG DEALER,

00:13:17.533 --> 00:13:18.500
LIKE THE
BIGGEST DRUG DEALER,

00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.767
THE GUYS TO SELL ME
DRUGS AT THE BEACH.

00:13:20.867 --> 00:13:23.167
WALKING UP, I'M
THINKING, IT'S REVIVAL.

00:13:23.267 --> 00:13:25.633
OH, MY, YOU'RE SAVED, TOO.


00:13:25.733 --> 00:13:28.166
AND HE LOOKS AT ME AND HE,
YOU KNOW, AND HE GOES,

00:13:28.266 --> 00:13:29.767
WHAT ARE YOU
TALKING ABOUT?

00:13:29.867 --> 00:13:31.900
I SAID, THIS IS AWESOME.


00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.333
HE GOES, I'VE BEEN COMING
SINCE I WAS A BABY.

00:13:34.433 --> 00:13:35.800
I'M LIKE, WAIT, WHAT?


00:13:35.900 --> 00:13:38.434
AND THEN I SEE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF
THE BIGGEST WOMANIZERS,

00:13:38.534 --> 00:13:40.733
YOU KNOW, AND I'M LIKE, HANG ON,
THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THIS.

00:13:40.833 --> 00:13:43.133
AND WE WALK IN AND I HAVE
NO IDEA THAT WHEN YOU FIND

00:13:43.233 --> 00:13:47.067
YOUR PEW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
SIT IN, YOU'VE GOT TO GENUFLECT,

00:13:47.167 --> 00:13:48.133
YOU'VE GOT TO
GET DOWN ON ONE KNEE

00:13:48.233 --> 00:13:50.367
AND DO THE CROSS, YOU KNOW,
LOOKING AT JESUS

00:13:50.467 --> 00:13:51.833
HANGING ON THE CROSS.


00:13:51.933 --> 00:13:54.300
WELL, I'M WALKING INTO CHURCH,
AND I'M ONLY NEWLY SAVED.

00:13:54.400 --> 00:13:55.734
I'M CHECKING OUT
THE TALENT.

00:13:55.834 --> 00:13:56.933
I'M LIKE, WOW,
SHE'S PRETTY.

00:13:57.033 --> 00:13:57.533
WOW.


00:13:57.633 --> 00:13:58.066
SHE'S HOT.


00:13:58.166 --> 00:13:58.734
SHE'S.


00:13:58.834 --> 00:13:59.900
AND I DON'T SEE THAT


00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:02.567
PAUL'S DROPPED TO HIS KNEE
IN FRONT OF ME, SO I GO

00:14:02.667 --> 00:14:05.767
STRAIGHT OVER THE TOP OF
HIM, AND COLORFUL LANGUAGE

00:14:05.867 --> 00:14:09.767
COMES OUT OF MY MOUTH
AND, YOU KNOW, OH, BLANK, BLANK.

00:14:09.867 --> 00:14:11.766
AND SO ANYWAY, SO WE GET IN
THERE AND THEN IT'S UP AND DOWN,

00:14:11.866 --> 00:14:12.967
UP AND DOWN.


00:14:13.067 --> 00:14:15.400
AND AT THE END, THE PRIEST
GIVES THIS, YOU KNOW,

00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:17.033
KIND OF BENEDICTION
AND THIS CALL FORWARD

00:14:17.133 --> 00:14:18.767
TO RECEIVE COMMUNION.


00:14:18.867 --> 00:14:21.267
AND I'M LISTENING
AND I'M THINKING, OH,

00:14:21.367 --> 00:14:22.733
HE'S DESCRIBING
WHAT HAPPENED TO ME.

00:14:22.833 --> 00:14:23.200
YEAH.


00:14:23.300 --> 00:14:24.067
THAT'S WHAT.


00:14:24.167 --> 00:14:26.133
SO I GO FORWARD,
AND I HAVE NO IDEA,

00:14:26.233 --> 00:14:27.600
I'VE NEVER BEEN TO
A CATHOLIC MASS,

00:14:27.700 --> 00:14:29.367
BUT THEY PUT THE WAFER
ON YOUR TONGUE,

00:14:29.467 --> 00:14:31.233
AND YOU'RE NOT
SUPPOSED TO CHEW IT,

00:14:31.333 --> 00:14:32.466
AND YOU'RE MEANT TO
FACE THE ALTAR,

00:14:32.566 --> 00:14:33.433
AND YOU
LET IT DISSOLVE

00:14:33.533 --> 00:14:34.933
BECAUSE IT
BECOMES THE BODY OF CHRIST.

00:14:35.033 --> 00:14:38.434
SO I'M LOOKING AT
JESUS ON THE CROSS.

00:14:38.534 --> 00:14:40.400
START CHEWING.


00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:43.100
IT STUCK TO THE
ROOF OF MY MOUTH.

00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:44.200
AND GO LIKE THIS.


00:14:44.300 --> 00:14:45.400
AND I, YOU KNOW, GIVE
THE PRIEST THE THUMBS UP.

00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:46.800
AND THE PRIEST IS LIKE,
BECAUSE HE'S NEVER SEEN ME.

00:14:46.900 --> 00:14:48.200
I NEVER DID
HOLY COMMUNION.

00:14:48.300 --> 00:14:50.466
AND I TURN AROUND AND I
SEE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS,

00:14:50.566 --> 00:14:54.334
WHO WERE DEVOUT CATHOLICS,
AND THEY ARE JUST AGHAST.

00:14:54.434 --> 00:14:58.200
AND SO I GET HOME, AND
MRS. LAWLER, MY NEIGHBOR,

00:14:58.300 --> 00:14:59.533
HAS ALREADY CALLED MY MUM.


00:14:59.633 --> 00:15:03.266
SHE SAYS, LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND
THAT YOUR SON HAS NO REVERENCE

00:15:03.366 --> 00:15:05.100
AND THAT
HE'S OUT OF CONTROL,

00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.067
BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE, IF HE
WANTS TO MAKE A MOCKERY

00:15:08.167 --> 00:15:09.500
OF OUR RELIGION,


00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.966
HE CAME INTO CHURCH
AND LITERALLY CHEWED

00:15:13.066 --> 00:15:16.100
THE BODY OF CHRIST LIKE
HE CHEWED JESUS LIKE.

00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:17.633
AND SO MY MUM'S
GIVING ME THIS.

00:15:17.733 --> 00:15:19.300
SO ANYWAY, SO I
HAD THIS RADICAL,

00:15:19.400 --> 00:15:21.866
EVERYTHING WAS RADICAL,
EVERYTHING WAS BRAND NEW.

00:15:21.966 --> 00:15:23.767
AND I'M LIKE, AND SO
EVERYTHING IS NEW.

00:15:23.867 --> 00:15:25.567
SO THEN SOMEONE
GAVE ME A BIBLE.

00:15:25.667 --> 00:15:27.933
I STARTED READING THE BIBLE
AND I'M LIKE, ARE YOU KIDDING?

00:15:28.033 --> 00:15:30.300
THIS IS IN THE BIBLE?!


00:15:30.400 --> 00:15:33.000
LIKE, I LOVE THE BIBLE,
LOVE THE WORD OF GOD.

00:15:33.100 --> 00:15:34.866
SO EVERYTHING WAS LIKE
THIS BRAND NEW, BRAND NEW,

00:15:34.966 --> 00:15:36.600
BRAND NEW ON FIRE.


00:15:36.700 --> 00:15:37.600
YEAH.


00:15:37.700 --> 00:15:38.433
REBECCA: WELL, HOW DID
YOU FIND A CHURCH?

00:15:38.533 --> 00:15:39.600
BECAUSE IT DIDN'T
SOUND LIKE IT

00:15:39.700 --> 00:15:40.767
WENT TOO WELL.


00:15:40.867 --> 00:15:42.700
JONATHAN: DID YOU STILL
GO TO THE CATHOLIC MASS?

00:15:42.800 --> 00:15:43.166
JUERGEN: NO.


00:15:43.266 --> 00:15:44.300
WELL, OKAY.


00:15:44.400 --> 00:15:45.734
SO CAN I TELL, IS IT OKAY
IF I'M TELLING STORIES?

00:15:45.834 --> 00:15:46.534
REBECCA: YES.


00:15:46.634 --> 00:15:47.867
NO, THIS IS WHAT
THIS IS ABOUT.

00:15:47.967 --> 00:15:48.500
JUERGEN: OKAY.


00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:49.300
REBECCA: I LOVE IT.


00:15:49.400 --> 00:15:50.267
I CAN TELL HE'S LOVING IT, TOO.


00:15:50.367 --> 00:15:51.267
JONATHAN: YEAH, I LOVE IT.


00:15:51.367 --> 00:15:52.300
REBECCA: I LOVE HEARING
PEOPLE'S STORIES.

00:15:52.400 --> 00:15:53.367
JUERGEN: I PROMISE


00:15:53.467 --> 00:15:54.400
I'M GOING TO LET LEANNE
SPEAK AT SOME POINT.

00:15:54.500 --> 00:15:55.834
REBECCA: WE'LL GET INTO
HER STORY, TOO.

00:15:55.934 --> 00:15:56.567
JUERGEN: ALL RIGHT.


00:15:56.667 --> 00:15:57.300
SO THIS IS A TRUE STORY.


00:15:57.400 --> 00:15:58.566
SO TRUE STORY.


00:15:58.666 --> 00:16:04.400
SO I NOW GET MY MY JOB AS A
TRAINEE MECHANICAL ENGINEER.

00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:07.600
AND I'VE GOT TWO FRIENDS THERE
WHO, BECAUSE I WAS THE LARRIKIN,

00:16:07.700 --> 00:16:08.667
I WAS
THE STORYTELLER.

00:16:08.767 --> 00:16:09.600
THEY JUST LOVED ME.


00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:11.367
THEY WANTED TO DO,
AND I, YOU KNOW,

00:16:11.467 --> 00:16:13.433
RULES FOR ME
WERE SUGGESTIONS.

00:16:13.533 --> 00:16:14.800
THEY WERE NEVER RULES.


00:16:14.900 --> 00:16:17.434
SO I'M STILL LEARNING ALL OF
THIS, TRYING TO BE A CHRISTIAN.

00:16:17.534 --> 00:16:20.666
BUT I WAS LIKE THE GUY PUSHING
THE ENVELOPE, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS.

00:16:20.766 --> 00:16:23.900
SO JERRY AND DOUGO, THEY
BECAME MY LITTLE STOOGES.

00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.800
THEY WOULD FOLLOW ME
EVERYWHERE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU,

00:16:25.900 --> 00:16:27.067
WHAT ARE
WE DOING TODAY?

00:16:27.167 --> 00:16:30.234
AND SO ANYWAY, THERE
WAS A MOVIE PLAYING,

00:16:30.334 --> 00:16:34.000
CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT MOVIE IT
WAS, AT OUR LOCAL CINEMA.

00:16:34.100 --> 00:16:36.834
SO WE GO TO THE CINEMA, AND
THERE'S THREE OF US BOYS.

00:16:36.934 --> 00:16:39.900
AND THEN THESE
THREE, AGAIN,

00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.833
IT'S DARK IN THE CINEMA,


00:16:41.933 --> 00:16:44.800
SO IN INVERTED COMMAS,
THREE HOT BLONDES COME

00:16:44.900 --> 00:16:46.033
AND SIT
RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

00:16:46.133 --> 00:16:49.067
I'M LIKE, THIS IS
SO GOD, YOU KNOW?

00:16:49.167 --> 00:16:53.300
AND ANYWAY, BACK THEN,
THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE THIS

00:16:53.400 --> 00:16:57.500
SHORT LITTLE FEATURE FILM
AND THEN INTERMISSION

00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.900
AND THEN THE
MAIN FILM WOULD COME ON.

00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.700
SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER
<i>RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK</i> ,

00:17:02.800 --> 00:17:04.166
WHATEVER IT WAS,
WAS THE MAIN FILM,

00:17:04.266 --> 00:17:05.667
BUT THERE WAS THIS LITTLE,
YOU KNOW, FEATURE,

00:17:05.767 --> 00:17:07.300
LIKE A LITTLE 15-MINUTE,
YOU KNOW,

00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:09.233
FROM THE
CANNES FILM FESTIVAL

00:17:09.333 --> 00:17:11.333
OR SOMETHING
THAT THEY TAG ON.

00:17:11.433 --> 00:17:14.166
SO INTERMISSION COMES,
AND THE THREE GIRLS GET UP

00:17:14.266 --> 00:17:17.200
TO GO TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE
CANDY BAR TO, YOU KNOW,

00:17:17.300 --> 00:17:19.167
BUY POPCORN AND WHATEVER.


00:17:19.267 --> 00:17:22.366
AND DOUGO, WHO WAS 6'3",
PUTS HIS HAND ON MY SHOULDER,

00:17:22.466 --> 00:17:24.800
SQUASHES ME
INTO THE SEAT.

00:17:24.900 --> 00:17:25.400
HE GOES, I'M GOING.


00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:26.300
I'M FOLLOWING THEM.


00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:28.134
I'M LIKE, OH, DOUGO,
YOU DOG, LIKE.

00:17:28.234 --> 00:17:30.733
AND SO ANYWAY, SO DOUGO COMES
BACK ABOUT TEN MINUTES LATER

00:17:30.833 --> 00:17:33.634
AND HIS EYES ARE LIKE
DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS,

00:17:33.734 --> 00:17:36.333
AND HE'S GOT A GIANT SODA
AND A GIANT POPCORN,

00:17:36.433 --> 00:17:38.634
AND HE JUST COMES, LIKE,
WALKING IN THE AISLE.

00:17:38.734 --> 00:17:41.100
AND THEN HE SITS DOWN
NEXT TO ME, LIKE,

00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:42.300
LIKE HIS EYES ARE
STILL LIKE THIS.

00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.533
AND I'M LIKE, DOUGO, DOUGO,
ARE YOU ALL RIGHT, BRO?

00:17:45.633 --> 00:17:47.234
DOUGO, WHAT'S GOING ON?


00:17:47.334 --> 00:17:50.900
AND HE GOES, YOU KNOW
THOSE THREE GIRLS?

00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:51.966
I'M LIKE, YEAH.


00:17:52.066 --> 00:17:54.200
HE GOES, THEY'RE
CHRISTIANS.

00:17:54.300 --> 00:17:58.200
I'M LIKE, WHOA,
THAT IS WHAT, GOD!

00:17:58.300 --> 00:17:59.034
AND SO ANYWAY,


00:17:59.134 --> 00:18:00.234
THEY COME IN.


00:18:00.334 --> 00:18:01.034
AND SO I TAPPED THE GIRL
IN FRONT OF ME ON THE SHOULDER

00:18:01.134 --> 00:18:02.034
AND SAID,
ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN?

00:18:02.134 --> 00:18:02.800
SHE GOES, YEAH.


00:18:02.900 --> 00:18:04.166
I SAID, SO AM I.


00:18:04.266 --> 00:18:05.267
SHE GOES, REALLY?


00:18:05.367 --> 00:18:07.200
I SAID, YEAH, I GOT SAVED
IN CHRISTIAN SERVICE.

00:18:07.300 --> 00:18:08.634
SHE GOES, WHAT
CHURCH DO YOU GO TO?

00:18:08.734 --> 00:18:09.666
WHAT CHURCH DO YOU GO TO?


00:18:09.766 --> 00:18:11.534
SHE GOES, I GO TO
WOLLONGONG CHURCH OF CHRIST.

00:18:11.634 --> 00:18:13.067
SO DO I.


00:18:13.167 --> 00:18:14.400
AND SHE GOES, SINCE WHEN?


00:18:14.500 --> 00:18:17.800
I SAID, AND SATURDAY NIGHT,
I SAID, TOMORROW. SHE GOES,

00:18:17.900 --> 00:18:18.500
REALLY?


00:18:18.600 --> 00:18:19.867
I SAID, YEAH.


00:18:19.967 --> 00:18:21.434
SHE GOES, ALL RIGHT. WELL I'LL
MEET YOU IN THE FOYER AT 10:00.

00:18:21.534 --> 00:18:23.667
I'M LIKE, O GOD,
HOW AWESOME ARE YOU?

00:18:23.767 --> 00:18:27.400
I GET SAVED LIKE THREE MONTHS
AGO, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT MY WIFE.

00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:29.633
LIKE, HOW GOD YOU ARE.


00:18:29.733 --> 00:18:31.333
HELLO.


00:18:31.433 --> 00:18:34.400
ANYWAY, CINEMA LIGHTING IS VERY
DIFFERENT TO CHURCH FOYER LIGHT.

00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:35.633
JONATHAN: OH, YEAH.


00:18:35.733 --> 00:18:38.500
JUERGEN: SO SUFFICE TO SAY
I DIDN'T MARRY THAT GIRL,

00:18:38.600 --> 00:18:39.800
YOU KNOW, SO.


00:18:39.900 --> 00:18:42.567
BUT IT WAS ENOUGH TO GET ME TO
WOLLONGONG CHURCH OF CHRIST,

00:18:42.667 --> 00:18:44.766
WHERE I DID MEET
MY LITTLE FOXY CLEOPATRA

00:18:44.866 --> 00:18:46.467
OVER HERE, LEANNE.


00:18:46.567 --> 00:18:47.600
REBECCA: WAIT, THAT'S WHAT
YOU WERE FROM THERE?

00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:48.134
LEANNE: YES.


00:18:48.234 --> 00:18:49.867
THAT'S RIGHT.


00:18:49.967 --> 00:18:52.066
YES, THAT'S WHERE
WE MET IN CHURCH.

00:18:52.166 --> 00:18:52.733
YEAH.


00:18:52.833 --> 00:18:54.034
REBECCA: WAIT A SECOND.


00:18:54.134 --> 00:18:57.767
JONATHAN: AND HOW LONG AFTER YOU
STARTED GOING TO THAT CHURCH

00:18:57.867 --> 00:18:58.933
DID YOU MEET?


00:18:59.033 --> 00:19:00.566
LEANNE: WHEN DID YOU GET,
WHAT YEAR WAS IT?

00:19:00.666 --> 00:19:01.233
1990?


00:19:01.333 --> 00:19:02.600
JUERGEN: THAT WAS 19,


00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:04.033
THAT WAS 1980.


00:19:04.133 --> 00:19:06.100
YEAH, 1986,


00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:07.034
I GOT SAVED.


00:19:07.134 --> 00:19:08.134
LEANNE: OKAY.


00:19:08.234 --> 00:19:10.667
JUERGEN: AND THEN I THINK
I MET YOU 1989.

00:19:10.767 --> 00:19:12.000
SO THREE YEARS LATER.


00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:13.334
JONATHAN: SO YOU WERE THERE
IN THAT CHURCH FOR THREE YEARS,

00:19:13.434 --> 00:19:15.100
AND YOU JOINED
AT WHAT POINT?

00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:16.333
JUERGEN: OR '88, I THINK.


00:19:16.433 --> 00:19:17.400
LEANNE: YEAH, ABOUT '88.


00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:19.200
MY FAMILY MOVED OVER FROM
THE ANGLICAN CHURCH.

00:19:19.300 --> 00:19:20.667
BY THIS POINT, WE WERE
KIND OF GETTING A LITTLE

00:19:20.767 --> 00:19:22.533
MORE HUNGRY FOR
SOMETHING MORE.

00:19:22.633 --> 00:19:24.500
AND THE CHURCH OF CHRIST
AT THAT POINT WAS JUST

00:19:24.600 --> 00:19:27.233
MORE VIBRANT AND
EXPRESSIVE IN THEIR WORSHIP.

00:19:27.333 --> 00:19:28.600
JUERGEN: AND IT WAS GREAT
FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:29.934
LEANNE: YEAH.


00:19:30.034 --> 00:19:30.967
JONATHAN: SO YOU GUYS MET IN
LIKE A YOUNG ADULTS ENVIRONMENT

00:19:31.067 --> 00:19:31.634
OR SOMETHING?


00:19:31.734 --> 00:19:32.433
LEANNE: YEAH.


00:19:32.533 --> 00:19:33.067
WE MET --


00:19:33.167 --> 00:19:33.933
JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:19:34.033 --> 00:19:34.867
YOUTH, YOUNG ADULTS
ENVIRONMENT.

00:19:34.967 --> 00:19:36.100
I USED TO WORK
WITH HER SISTER,

00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.300
SO WE WERE PART OF
A MODELING ACADEMY.

00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:43.300
AND SO YEAH, AND IT WAS LIKE
ALL LIKE THE BEST-LOOKING

00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:46.400
YOUNG PEOPLE IN
OUR TOWN CALLED WOLLONGONG,

00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:48.767
ALL WENT TO WOLLONGONG
CHURCH OF CHRIST.

00:19:48.867 --> 00:19:50.333
AND THE PREACHING
WAS EXCEPTIONAL.

00:19:50.433 --> 00:19:52.533
THE MINISTRY WAS
EXCEPTIONAL.

00:19:52.633 --> 00:19:55.167
THEY HAD A CHRISTIAN NIGHTSPOT
CALLED JONAH'S NIGHTSPOT,

00:19:55.267 --> 00:19:56.667
WHERE THEY WOULD GET
THE BEST CHRISTIAN BANDS

00:19:56.767 --> 00:19:58.400
FROM ALL OVER AUSTRALIA.


00:19:58.500 --> 00:19:59.800
LEANNE: THAT'S WHERE OUR
FIRST KISS HAPPENED,

00:19:59.900 --> 00:20:03.767
ACTUALLY, ON NEW YEAR'S EVE
AT JONAH'S NIGHTSPOT.

00:20:03.867 --> 00:20:05.066
JUERGEN: I STILL REMEMBER IT,
CLASSY, I STILL REMEMBER IT

00:20:05.166 --> 00:20:07.934
LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY, THE
FIRST TIME MY LIPS TOUCHED HERS.

00:20:08.034 --> 00:20:09.433
AND SHE WAS WITH A FRIEND


00:20:09.533 --> 00:20:11.666
WHO, YEAH.


00:20:11.766 --> 00:20:13.900
MAYBE THAT'S A STORY
I SHOULDN'T SHARE ON A PODCAST.

00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.067
JONATHAN: DO YOU STILL REMEMBER
OUR FIRST KISS?

00:20:16.167 --> 00:20:16.866
REBECCA: YES.


00:20:16.966 --> 00:20:19.067
PLEASE DON'T
TELL OUR STORY.

00:20:19.167 --> 00:20:20.133
THAT'S EMBARRASSING.


00:20:20.233 --> 00:20:20.634
JUERGEN: DO TELL.


00:20:20.734 --> 00:20:21.467
DO TELL.


00:20:21.567 --> 00:20:22.267
JONATHAN: IT'S SO FUNNY.


00:20:22.367 --> 00:20:24.967
REBECCA: IT IS
SO EMBARRASSING.

00:20:25.067 --> 00:20:25.566
JONATHAN: WHAT
WERE YOU GONNA ASK?

00:20:25.666 --> 00:20:26.533
SORRY.


00:20:26.633 --> 00:20:27.300
REBECCA: MY QUESTION IS,


00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:28.433
OKAY,


00:20:28.533 --> 00:20:32.000
HOW DID YOU KNOW TO LEAD
HER FAMILY IN THE MINISTRY

00:20:32.100 --> 00:20:33.133
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?


00:20:33.233 --> 00:20:34.700
BECAUSE YOU WERE JUST
STARTED GETTING DISCIPLED,

00:20:34.800 --> 00:20:35.934
AND Y'ALL WERE --


00:20:36.034 --> 00:20:37.000
JONATHAN: THEY'D BEEN IN CHURCH
FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS

00:20:37.100 --> 00:20:37.767
AT THAT POINT.


00:20:37.867 --> 00:20:38.600
JUERGEN: YEAH, YEAH.


00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:39.500
SO, SO.


00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:40.567
REBECCA: SO YOU GO
TO THAT CHURCH,

00:20:40.667 --> 00:20:41.167
LEANNE: WE DATED
FOR A COUPLE YEARS.

00:20:41.267 --> 00:20:41.834
JUERGEN: YES.


00:20:41.934 --> 00:20:42.633
LEANNE: AND SO


00:20:42.733 --> 00:20:44.867
WE STARTED
DATING IN 1990.

00:20:44.967 --> 00:20:48.267
JUERGEN: AND I HAD JUST GOTTEN
KICKED OUT OF THE CHURCH.

00:20:48.367 --> 00:20:49.467
JONATHAN: WHY?


00:20:49.567 --> 00:20:50.300
JUERGEN: BECAUSE THE THE
SENIOR PASTOR SPOKE IN TONGUES

00:20:50.467 --> 00:20:51.500
JONATHAN: YOU GOT
KICKED OUT OF YOUR HOME,

00:20:51.600 --> 00:20:52.666
KICKED OUT OF YOUR CHURCH.


00:20:52.766 --> 00:20:54.567
JUERGEN: BUT HIS, THERE'S
A GUY WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN

00:20:54.700 --> 00:20:57.867
OF THE BOARD, AND IT WAS
A VERY BOARD-RUN CHURCH.

00:20:58.033 --> 00:21:01.666
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
WAS VERY HIGH UP IN FREEMASONRY

00:21:01.833 --> 00:21:05.134
AND WAS VERY
ANTI THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT.

00:21:05.234 --> 00:21:08.434
SO THE SENIOR PASTOR WAS ALLOWED
TO PRAY IN TONGUES AT HOME,

00:21:08.534 --> 00:21:09.967
BUT NOT IN
CHURCH, YOU KNOW.

00:21:10.067 --> 00:21:12.100
REBECCA: THAT'S CRAZY.


00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:16.734
JUERGEN: AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED
IS THEY HAD A YOUNG ADULTS,

00:21:16.834 --> 00:21:21.033
EXCUSE ME, A
JUNIOR HIGH LEADER FALL.

00:21:21.133 --> 00:21:22.567
HE ENDED UP
GOING TO PRISON.

00:21:22.667 --> 00:21:25.067
AND SO THEY ASKED ME TO
TAKE OVER ONE OF THE

00:21:25.167 --> 00:21:29.300
JUNIOR HIGH CONNECT GROUPS THAT
HAD ABOUT 40 STUDENTS AT IT.

00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:31.200
AND ANYWAY, I'M
JUST SHARING.

00:21:31.300 --> 00:21:33.234
AND I STARTED SHARING
ON THE HOLY SPIRIT.

00:21:33.334 --> 00:21:34.534
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FELL.


00:21:34.634 --> 00:21:36.800
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THIS GIRL
STARTS MANIFESTING A DEMON.

00:21:36.900 --> 00:21:38.567
AND SO I JUST
DO WHAT YOU DO.

00:21:38.667 --> 00:21:39.733
I JUST CAST THE DEMON OUT.


00:21:39.833 --> 00:21:41.867
I DIDN'T THINK TWICE ABOUT IT,
YOU KNOW, COME OUT

00:21:41.967 --> 00:21:44.700
IN THE NAME OF, THE DEMON COMES
OUT, WELL, THE NEXT MINUTE,

00:21:44.800 --> 00:21:46.300
IT'S SCANDAL.


00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:48.600
AND THE BIGGEST, THE
BIGGEST GOSSIP IN THE CHURCH,

00:21:48.700 --> 00:21:52.634
MRS. HURST, SHE'S
CONTACTED THE PASTOR,

00:21:52.734 --> 00:21:54.900
SAYING, HEY, JUST
SO YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT

00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:00.066
THIS RADICAL ZEALOT DOING...


00:22:00.166 --> 00:22:01.200
LEANNE: EXORCISMS.


00:22:01.300 --> 00:22:04.333
JUERGEN: EXORCISMS IN OUR,
YOU KNOW, JUNIOR HIGH.

00:22:04.433 --> 00:22:05.667
AND I'M LIKE, EXORCISM?


00:22:05.767 --> 00:22:06.967
I JUST CAST A DEMON OUT.


00:22:07.067 --> 00:22:08.300
WHAT ARE YOU, LIKE, THE KID,
I TALKED TO THE KID,

00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:09.000
THE KID'S FREE.


00:22:09.100 --> 00:22:09.600
LEANNE: IT'S IN THE BIBLE,


00:22:09.700 --> 00:22:10.400
JUERGEN: YOU KNOW?


00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:11.533
AND SO, ANYWAY,
I HAD TO GO.

00:22:11.633 --> 00:22:14.066
REBECCA: AND ALSO, YOU WEREN'T
TRYING TO DO THAT.

00:22:14.166 --> 00:22:16.134
IT MANIFESTED,
AND SO YOU CASTED IT OUT.

00:22:16.234 --> 00:22:17.200
THAT'S A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT SITUATION.

00:22:17.300 --> 00:22:20.367
JUERGEN: AND SO I HAD TO
GO BEFORE THE BOARD

00:22:20.467 --> 00:22:21.367
REBECCA: AND WHAT WERE YOU,
WHAT WOULD YOU,

00:22:21.467 --> 00:22:22.166
WHAT DID IT FEEL LIKE?


00:22:22.266 --> 00:22:23.567
JUERGEN:
IT WAS HILARIOUS.

00:22:23.667 --> 00:22:24.934
LIKE I'M LIKE,
WHAT IS GOING ON?

00:22:25.034 --> 00:22:25.967
SO ANYWAY, SO --


00:22:26.067 --> 00:22:28.533
REBECCA: HOW OLD WERE
YOU AT THAT POINT?

00:22:28.633 --> 00:22:29.500
JONATHAN: 21, 22?


00:22:29.600 --> 00:22:31.233
JUERGEN: ACTUALLY, YEAH,
COMING UP 20...

00:22:31.333 --> 00:22:32.333
YEAH.


00:22:32.433 --> 00:22:34.367
BETWEEN 20 AND 21 WAS, IT
WAS ALMOST A WHOLE YEAR.

00:22:34.467 --> 00:22:38.400
AND THEN THE LAST STRAW WAS
THE PASTOR WAS PREACHING

00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:40.866
AGAINST PEOPLE,
YOU KNOW, PRAYING FOR PEOPLE

00:22:40.966 --> 00:22:43.434
IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
CASTING OUT DEMONS

00:22:43.534 --> 00:22:44.600
AND ALL
THIS KIND OF STUFF.

00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:46.100
AND THEN, AND EVERYONE'S
LIKE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT ME,

00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:47.000
AND I'M THINKING...


00:22:47.100 --> 00:22:48.133
REBECCA: OH, MY GOD.


00:22:48.233 --> 00:22:49.200
JUERGEN: THIS SOUNDS
LIKE ME, YOU KNOW?

00:22:49.300 --> 00:22:50.633
AND THEN I REALIZED HE
WAS TALKING ABOUT ME.

00:22:50.733 --> 00:22:53.300
AND SO THEN THEY ASKED ME
TO, YOU KNOW, TO LEAVE.

00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:54.400
SO I HAD TO LEAVE.


00:22:54.500 --> 00:22:56.533
BUT AT THAT PARTICULAR
TIME, YOU KNOW, I WAS,

00:22:56.633 --> 00:23:00.267
OBVIOUSLY, I WENT FROM THE
SHINING LIGHT TO, OKAY,

00:23:00.367 --> 00:23:01.267
THE BLACK SHEEP.


00:23:01.367 --> 00:23:02.900
BUT HER MUM AND
DAD WANTED TO KNOW,

00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:08.567
BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DENY MY
FAITH AND MY PASSION FOR CHRIST.

00:23:08.667 --> 00:23:14.534
AND THEY WERE VERY,
VERY, VERY, VERY

00:23:14.634 --> 00:23:17.766
CURIOUS, REALLY, ABOUT
THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT,

00:23:17.866 --> 00:23:21.966
EVEN THOUGH THEIR THEOLOGY
WAS CESSATIONAL THEOLOGY.

00:23:22.066 --> 00:23:24.500
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SOON
AS SOMEONE GOT HEALED

00:23:24.600 --> 00:23:26.434
AND AS SOON AS SOMEONE GOT
DELIVERED AND AS SOON AS,

00:23:26.534 --> 00:23:28.300
THEN THEY COULDN'T
DENY THE POWER.

00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.966
YEAH, BUT HER DAD AND HER
SISTER WERE THE LAST

00:23:32.066 --> 00:23:34.133
TO GET THE BAPTISM OF
THE HOLY SPIRIT.

00:23:34.233 --> 00:23:35.800
AND THAT'S A REALLY
POWERFUL STORY.

00:23:35.900 --> 00:23:39.134
I PRAYED FOR HER DAD,
AND HE GOT DELIVERED FROM

00:23:39.234 --> 00:23:42.500
A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF FROM
HIS PAST AND FREEMASONRY

00:23:42.600 --> 00:23:46.034
ON MY LOUNGE ROOM
IN NEW ZEALAND.

00:23:46.134 --> 00:23:50.033
AND LITERALLY, GOD SAYS
IT'S NOT FINISHED

00:23:50.133 --> 00:23:51.100
JUST WITH THE
DEMONS COMING OUT,

00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:52.300
NOW FILL HIM
WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:53.500
SO I PRAYED FOR THAT.


00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:55.133
AND HE STARTS
SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

00:23:55.233 --> 00:23:56.767
AS HE'S SPEAKING IN
TONGUES, THE HOLY SPIRIT

00:23:56.867 --> 00:23:59.433
SAYS, KEEP HIM GOING, KEEP
HIM GOING, KEEP HIM GOING.

00:23:59.533 --> 00:24:00.967
JUST DON'T LET HIM STOP
SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

00:24:01.067 --> 00:24:02.400
I'M CLEANING OUT,
YOU KNOW,

00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:03.900
THE REST OF THE JUNK
THAT'S IN THERE.

00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.000
BECAUSE WHEN THE HOLY GHOST
MOVES IN AND HE CLEANS HOUSE.

00:24:07.100 --> 00:24:09.800
YEAH, WELL, WHILE THE
PHONE RINGS AND I'M THINKING,

00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:13.167
WHO'S CALLING AT 10:30 P.M.
AT NIGHT NEW ZEALAND?

00:24:13.267 --> 00:24:14.233
WELL, IT'S 8:30 P.M.


00:24:14.333 --> 00:24:18.100
IN NEWCASTLE, AUSTRALIA,
AND IT'S HER SISTER.

00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:19.467
LEANNE: WE'D BEEN MARRIED
AT THIS POINT, BY THE WAY.

00:24:19.567 --> 00:24:20.467
JONATHAN: OKAY.


00:24:20.567 --> 00:24:22.100
JUERGEN: AND HER SISTER
HAD BEEN PRAYED

00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.633
FOR PROBABLY
A DOZEN TIMES

00:24:23.733 --> 00:24:24.866
TO RECEIVE THE BAPTISM.


00:24:24.966 --> 00:24:26.533
NOTHING, NOTHING.


00:24:26.633 --> 00:24:30.100
AND SHE'S ON THE PHONE AND
SHE'S HYSTERICAL AND I'M LIKE,

00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:31.767
JANINE, STOP, STOP
LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON?

00:24:31.867 --> 00:24:32.634
WHAT'S GOING ON?


00:24:32.734 --> 00:24:33.867
SHE GOES, LISTEN, LISTEN.


00:24:33.967 --> 00:24:36.600
[ SPEAKING IN TONGUES ]


00:24:36.700 --> 00:24:38.567
SHE GOES, I DON'T KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED, BUT LIKE

00:24:38.667 --> 00:24:42.400
LITERALLY 15 MINUTES AGO,
SAME TIME I PRAYED FOR

00:24:42.500 --> 00:24:44.200
THE DEMONS TO
COME OUT OF DAD

00:24:44.300 --> 00:24:46.000
AND TO BE FILLED
WITH THE HOLY GHOST,

00:24:46.100 --> 00:24:49.433
SHE GOES, I WAS LEAVING CHURCH,
WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN

00:24:49.533 --> 00:24:53.433
8:30 OR LIKE 8:15 AT
NIGHT ON A SUNDAY NIGHT,

00:24:53.533 --> 00:24:55.600
BECAUSE THEY DO SUNDAY
NIGHT CHURCH IN AUSTRALIA,

00:24:55.700 --> 00:24:57.200
SHE GOES, AND I FELT
SOMETHING IN MY CHEST,

00:24:57.300 --> 00:24:58.967
AND THEN SOMETHING COME OUT,
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN,

00:24:59.067 --> 00:25:02.067
THIS BEAUTIFUL LIGHT,
AND NOW I'M SPEAKING IN TONGUES.

00:25:02.167 --> 00:25:03.300
OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD.


00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.533
SO BECAUSE OF THAT BOND
THAT THEY HAD

00:25:07.633 --> 00:25:10.134
BETWEEN MOTHER
AND FATHER AND DAUGHTER,

00:25:10.234 --> 00:25:12.367
WHEN HE GOT SET FREE,
SHE GOT SET FREE.

00:25:12.467 --> 00:25:13.867
WHEN HE GOT FILLED,
SHE GOT FILLED.

00:25:13.967 --> 00:25:15.567
EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE
IN TWO DIFFERENT NATIONS,

00:25:15.667 --> 00:25:16.966
IT WAS REALLY POWERFUL.


00:25:17.066 --> 00:25:18.134
JONATHAN: THAT'S REALLY COOL.


00:25:18.234 --> 00:25:20.333
REBECCA: HOW DID YOU KNOW WHAT
TO DO IN THAT MOMENT?

00:25:20.433 --> 00:25:22.633
JUERGEN: I JUST FOLLOW
THE HOLY GHOST.

00:25:22.733 --> 00:25:23.667
LIKE I'M,


00:25:23.767 --> 00:25:27.033
I'M SMART ENOUGH TO
REALIZE HOW DUMB I AM.

00:25:27.133 --> 00:25:28.467
REBECCA: THAT'S ACTUALLY
A GOOD WORD, THOUGH.

00:25:28.567 --> 00:25:30.433
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE GUY WAS
TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY, TOO,

00:25:30.533 --> 00:25:32.066
BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE

00:25:32.166 --> 00:25:33.700
SCHOOLS AND STUFF
AND ALL THAT.

00:25:33.800 --> 00:25:36.333
BUT SOMETIMES, LIKE,
PEOPLE HAVE STORIES,

00:25:36.433 --> 00:25:37.833
AND YOU DIDN'T GO TO
BIBLE COLLEGE, BUT IT'S LIKE

00:25:37.933 --> 00:25:38.900
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE


00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.566
OR YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE
THAT MUCH DISCIPLESHIP,

00:25:40.666 --> 00:25:43.266
AND YOU REALLY JUST HAVE
TO BE LED BY THE SPIRIT.

00:25:43.366 --> 00:25:45.933
THAT'S SO COOL, THOUGH,
HOW YOU IMPACTED HER WHOLE,

00:25:46.033 --> 00:25:47.333
HER WHOLE FAMILY.


00:25:47.433 --> 00:25:49.667
WHAT DID YOUR FAMILY END UP
THINKING IN THE LONG RUN?

00:25:49.767 --> 00:25:52.234
JUERGEN: SO MY MOTHER GOT SAVED,
MY BROTHER GOT SAVED,

00:25:52.334 --> 00:25:56.434
AND NOW MY DAD TELLS EVERYBODY
THAT WE'RE F'ING CHRISTIANS.

00:25:56.534 --> 00:25:57.233
REBECCA: REALLY?


00:25:57.333 --> 00:25:58.434
JUERGEN:
SO HE'S REALLY CLOSE.

00:25:58.534 --> 00:25:59.400
LEANNE: YEAH.


00:25:59.500 --> 00:26:00.600
REBECCA: HE IS.


00:26:00.700 --> 00:26:02.067
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.


00:26:02.167 --> 00:26:03.134
OH MY GOODNESS.


00:26:03.234 --> 00:26:04.134
JONATHAN: AND THEY'RE ALL
STILL IN AUSTRALIA?

00:26:04.234 --> 00:26:04.800
JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:08.333
MY MOTHER DIED IN 2008.


00:26:08.433 --> 00:26:09.466
AND IT WAS,


00:26:09.566 --> 00:26:11.600
THAT WAS EVEN, THAT WAS
A VERY BEAUTIFUL STORY.

00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:12.666
SHE DIED VERY YOUNG.


00:26:12.766 --> 00:26:15.300
SHE WAS ONLY 59
WHEN SHE DIED.

00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.167
AND, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT'S
BEAUTIFUL ABOUT AUSTRALIA

00:26:18.267 --> 00:26:19.900
IS WE HAVE
FREE HEALTHCARE.

00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.667
THE DOWNSIDE IS, YOU
GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

00:26:22.767 --> 00:26:23.700
JONATHAN:
IT'S NOT VERY GOOD.

00:26:23.800 --> 00:26:24.933
JUERGEN: SO THEY PUT HER ON
A MENOPAUSE DRUG

00:26:25.033 --> 00:26:27.000
THAT THEY THEN RIPPED OFF
THE MARKET BECAUSE IT BROUGHT ON

00:26:27.100 --> 00:26:29.000
THE CALCIFICATION
OF THE BRAIN.

00:26:29.100 --> 00:26:33.733
SO AT 53, SHE GOT DEMENTIA, AND
ENDED UP DYING OF ALZHEIMER'S

00:26:33.833 --> 00:26:35.367
AT 59.


00:26:35.467 --> 00:26:36.600
REBECCA: THAT'S AWFUL.


00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:37.933
JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:26:38.033 --> 00:26:39.366
BUT I'M PRAYING ALL THESE PEOPLE
ARE GETTING HEALED IN MY CHURCH,

00:26:39.466 --> 00:26:40.667
AND MY
MUM'S GETTING WORSE.

00:26:40.767 --> 00:26:44.200
AND THEN THIS ONE, I GOT A PHONE
CALL FROM MY YOUNGER BROTHER

00:26:44.300 --> 00:26:45.933
SAYING, MUM'S
TAKING A TURN FOR THE WORST.

00:26:46.033 --> 00:26:48.634
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
LONGER SHE'S GOT.

00:26:48.734 --> 00:26:50.867
I GET UP, I CAN'T
SLEEP, IT'S LIKE 4 A.M.

00:26:50.967 --> 00:26:54.066
I GO FOR A PRAYER WALK AND
I COME BACK AT ABOUT MAYBE

00:26:54.166 --> 00:26:56.233
JUST BEFORE 5:00
AND I WAKE LEANNE.

00:26:56.333 --> 00:26:57.600
I SAID, BABE, BABE, YOU'RE
NOT GOING TO BELIEVE IT.

00:26:57.700 --> 00:26:59.700
I WAS ON THIS PRAYER WALK,
PRAYING FOR MY MUM TO BE HEALED,

00:26:59.800 --> 00:27:01.933
AND I HEARD GOD
SPEAK TO ME AND HE SAID,

00:27:02.033 --> 00:27:05.166
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A
DAUGHTER AND SHE'S GOING TO

00:27:05.266 --> 00:27:09.100
COMFORT YOU WHEN YOUR MOTHER
COMES HOME TO HEAVEN.

00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:10.266
AND SO I'LL WAKE HER UP.


00:27:10.366 --> 00:27:11.700
BABE, BABE, YOU'RE NOT
GONNA BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAYS.

00:27:11.800 --> 00:27:12.967
YOU'RE NOT GONNA
BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAID.

00:27:13.067 --> 00:27:14.033
AND SHE'S LIKE, WHAT?


00:27:14.133 --> 00:27:14.866
WHAT? WHAT?


00:27:14.966 --> 00:27:15.667
I SAID,


00:27:15.767 --> 00:27:16.566
WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE A DAUGHTER!

00:27:16.666 --> 00:27:19.000
SHE GOES, NOT
OUT OF THIS BODY.

00:27:19.100 --> 00:27:21.467
AND BECAUSE WE'D ALREADY
HAD THREE SONS, SHE GOES,

00:27:21.567 --> 00:27:23.700
BESIDES, YOU ONLY KNOW
HOW TO MAKE BOYS, LIKE,

00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:25.100
WELL, GOD TOLD ME SO.


00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.000
SIX WEEKS LATER,
SHE'S PREGNANT.

00:27:27.100 --> 00:27:31.267
AND SURE ENOUGH, WITH OUR OUR
LITTLE SMUSHKIE, OUR LITTLE ZOE,

00:27:31.367 --> 00:27:33.700
AND ZOE WAS BORN THE
SAME YEAR MUM PASSED.

00:27:33.800 --> 00:27:35.234
REBECCA: WOW.


00:27:35.334 --> 00:27:35.834
LEANNE: YEAH.


00:27:35.934 --> 00:27:36.900
AN ANSWER TO PRAYER.


00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:38.767
JUERGEN: SO MUM DIED IN APRIL,
AND ZOE WAS BORN

00:27:38.867 --> 00:27:41.467
FOUR MONTHS LATER
IN AUGUST.

00:27:41.567 --> 00:27:45.767
AND SHE LITERALLY,
FROM WHEN SHE WAS BORN

00:27:45.867 --> 00:27:47.900
HAS JUST
BEEN A COMFORT.

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.066
AND SO MY MOTHER'S NAME
IS IN HER MIDDLE NAME.

00:27:51.166 --> 00:27:52.867
REBECCA: OH, THAT'S
SUCH A COOL STORY.

00:27:52.967 --> 00:27:53.567
JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:27:53.667 --> 00:27:54.833
GOD IS SO GOOD.


00:27:54.933 --> 00:27:55.766
JONATHAN: DID YOU GUYS LIVE IN
NEW ZEALAND AT SOME POINT,

00:27:55.866 --> 00:27:56.400
OR...?


00:27:56.500 --> 00:27:57.300
JUERGEN: SEVEN YEARS.


00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:58.233
LEANNE: YEAH,
WE DID SEVEN YEARS.

00:27:58.333 --> 00:27:59.566
JUERGEN: WHEN I FINISHED
BIBLE COLLEGE.

00:27:59.666 --> 00:28:00.333
LEANNE: THE FIRST
SEVEN YEARS OF OUR MARRIAGE,

00:28:00.433 --> 00:28:01.433
WE LIVED IN
NEW ZEALAND.

00:28:01.533 --> 00:28:02.500
JONATHAN: WHAT MADE
YOU MOVE THERE?

00:28:02.600 --> 00:28:04.767
LEANNE: WE HAD
AN OPPORTUNITY --

00:28:04.867 --> 00:28:05.667
REBECCA: WE HAVE TO ALSO EXPLAIN
HOW THEY GOT TOGETHER,

00:28:05.767 --> 00:28:06.700
BECAUSE WE NEVER
EXPLAINED THAT.

00:28:06.800 --> 00:28:08.133
JONATHAN: YEAH, WE DID.
THEY MET IN CHURCH,

00:28:08.233 --> 00:28:09.366
IN YOUNG ADULT SERVICE.


00:28:09.466 --> 00:28:11.167
REBECCA: YOU DON'T WANT
ANY MORE TEA THAN THAT?

00:28:11.267 --> 00:28:12.500
JUST THAT THEY
MET IN CHURCH?

00:28:12.600 --> 00:28:13.967
THERE'S ACTUALLY
CUTE STORIES.

00:28:14.067 --> 00:28:15.000
JUERGEN: I'LL TELL YOU,


00:28:15.100 --> 00:28:16.834
WHAT WAS INTERESTING
WAS, I'M IN CHURCH --

00:28:16.934 --> 00:28:18.567
REBECCA: I WANT THE STORY.


00:28:18.667 --> 00:28:21.533
JUERGEN: WELL, I'M IN CHURCH,
AND I WAS

00:28:21.633 --> 00:28:23.833
DATING A GIRL THAT WAS
IN OUR MODELING ACADEMY.

00:28:23.933 --> 00:28:26.300
AND THEN SHE KIND OF
BROKE UP WITH ME,

00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:27.600
AND I WAS
PRETTY DEVASTATED.

00:28:27.700 --> 00:28:29.933
AND I'M IN CHURCH, AND THEN
THEY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW,

00:28:30.033 --> 00:28:32.834
TURN AROUND AND GREET THE
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND YOU.

00:28:32.934 --> 00:28:35.767
AND THIS BEAUTIFUL COUPLE
TURN AROUND, AND HE SAYS,

00:28:35.867 --> 00:28:38.567
HI, YOU KNOW, I'M ALAN, AND
THIS IS MY WIFE, VALERIE.

00:28:38.667 --> 00:28:39.533
AND I SAID, OH, HI, ALAN.


00:28:39.633 --> 00:28:40.367
NICE TO MEET YOU, ALAN.


00:28:40.467 --> 00:28:42.466
I'M JUERGEN.
AND VALERIE,

00:28:42.566 --> 00:28:43.333
NICE TO MEET YOU.


00:28:43.433 --> 00:28:44.133
AND SHE GOES, HANG ON.


00:28:44.233 --> 00:28:45.400
WAIT, YOU'RE JUERGEN?


00:28:45.500 --> 00:28:47.334
I SAID, YEAH. SHE GOES,
OH, MY DAUGHTERS TALK ABOUT YOU

00:28:47.434 --> 00:28:48.267
ALL THE TIME.


00:28:48.367 --> 00:28:49.300
I SAID, OH, WHO
ARE YOUR DAUGHTERS?

00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.966
SHE GOES, OH, WELL,
MAINLY, YOU KNOW, JULIE,

00:28:52.066 --> 00:28:55.066
JANINE, AND LEANNE. SAID,
OH, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME?

00:28:55.166 --> 00:28:56.066
GRAY.


00:28:56.166 --> 00:28:57.533
AND I'M LIKE, OH,
LEANNE GRAY, LEANNE GRAY.

00:28:57.633 --> 00:29:00.100
WELL, CHURCH FINISHES,
AND THIS KIND OF THE GOSSIP

00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.167
OF OUR CHURCH, MONICA HARTLEY,
COMES UP TO ME.

00:29:03.267 --> 00:29:04.966
SHE GOES, I KNOW
SOMEONE WHO LIKES YOU.

00:29:05.066 --> 00:29:05.833
LEANNE: EVERY CHURCH HAS ONE.


00:29:05.933 --> 00:29:06.967
JUERGEN: AND I'M LIKE,


00:29:07.067 --> 00:29:09.100
I KNOW, I KNOW SOMEONE
WHO LIKES ME, TOO.

00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.134
MONICA, YOU DO.


00:29:11.234 --> 00:29:13.467
YOU KNOW, LIKE SHE HAD
A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK

00:29:13.567 --> 00:29:15.634
SHE WAS HOPING THAT I'D
SAY I DON'T LIKE LEANNE.

00:29:15.734 --> 00:29:17.467
I REALLY LIKE YOU, MONICA.


00:29:17.567 --> 00:29:19.366
AND SHE GOES, LEANNE GRAY.


00:29:19.466 --> 00:29:20.333
I'M LIKE, HANG ON.


00:29:20.433 --> 00:29:21.100
WAIT, WHAT?


00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.433
I JUST MET HER
MOM AND DAD.

00:29:22.533 --> 00:29:23.367
OH, THAT'S CRAZY.


00:29:23.467 --> 00:29:24.500
THAT COULD NEVER BE.


00:29:24.600 --> 00:29:28.500
AND SO THAT BEGAN
THE JOURNEY OF INQUISITIVENESS.

00:29:28.600 --> 00:29:30.166
AND I THOUGHT,
THERE'S NO WAY.

00:29:30.266 --> 00:29:31.200
JONATHAN: WAS IT TRUE?
DID YOU LIKE HIM AT THAT POINT?

00:29:31.300 --> 00:29:35.366
LEANNE: YES, ABSOLUTELY.


00:29:35.466 --> 00:29:38.100
SO HANDSOME,
SO CHARISMATIC, PASSIONATE

00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:39.700
ABOUT THE LORD.


00:29:39.800 --> 00:29:40.767
AND I THINK WE WERE --


00:29:40.867 --> 00:29:42.133
JUERGEN: SHE GREW UP
ON A FARM, SO I'M LIKE,

00:29:42.233 --> 00:29:43.434
SHE'S JUST SEES COWS,


00:29:43.534 --> 00:29:46.933
AND THEN ME, AND I'M THE
SLIGHTLY BETTER OPTION.

00:29:47.033 --> 00:29:48.267
JONATHAN: THE MODEL, THE SURFER.


00:29:48.367 --> 00:29:50.167
LEANNE: HE WAS MY FIRST
AND ONLY BOYFRIEND.

00:29:50.267 --> 00:29:52.100
MY FIRST AND ONLY KISS.


00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:53.400
OH, SO IT WAS,


00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:55.300
IT WAS ACTUALLY
REALLY BEAUTIFUL.

00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.400
AND FOR ME, IT WAS DEFINITELY
LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT.

00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:02.066
AND THE MORE I GOT TO KNOW
HIM, THE MORE I LOVED HIM.

00:30:02.166 --> 00:30:03.733
AND WE DATED
FOR TWO YEARS.

00:30:03.833 --> 00:30:05.700
JUERGEN: AND I THOUGHT,
SHE'S WAY TOO PRETTY.

00:30:05.800 --> 00:30:08.066
LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONCE I
FOUND OUT SHE LIKED ME,

00:30:08.166 --> 00:30:10.200
I'M LIKE, OKAY, ANYBODY
THAT PRETTY IS GOING TO BE

00:30:10.300 --> 00:30:12.600
SO FULL OF THEMSELVES,
IT'S GOING TO BE.

00:30:12.700 --> 00:30:15.600
SO THEN I'M TALKING TO HER
AND GOING, DOES SHE NOT REALIZE

00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:16.800
HOW PRETTY SHE IS?


00:30:16.900 --> 00:30:18.867
LIKE, YEAH, YOU ARE
SO DOWN TO EARTH.

00:30:18.967 --> 00:30:22.900
AND SHE WAS CHEEKY, LIKE
SHE WAS MISCHIEVOUS.

00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.500
LEANNE: I NEED TO BE TO
KEEP UP WITH HIM.

00:30:24.600 --> 00:30:26.366
JUERGEN: AND HER PARENTS ARE
LIKE, OH, SHE WOULD, YOU KNOW,

00:30:26.466 --> 00:30:28.033
TIP OVER PEOPLE'S
POTTED PLANTS

00:30:28.133 --> 00:30:30.300
AND SHE WOULD DO THIS
AND SHE WOULD DO THAT.

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.000
I'M LIKE, GUYS, YOU ALREADY
HAD ME AT SHE'S BEAUTIFUL,

00:30:34.100 --> 00:30:36.866
BUT SHE'S
GOT PERSONALITY TO BOOT.

00:30:36.966 --> 00:30:39.367
AND SO THEN, AND I DON'T
KNOW HOW THIS CAME ABOUT,

00:30:39.467 --> 00:30:41.500
AND I'M, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T
EVEN SHARE IT ON THE PODCAST.

00:30:41.600 --> 00:30:44.167
BUT HER NICKNAME
FOR ME WAS STINKY.

00:30:44.267 --> 00:30:45.100
LEANNE: YEAH, BECAUSE --


00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.433
JUERGEN: HOW ARE YOU DOING,
STINKY?

00:30:46.533 --> 00:30:47.267
I'M LIKE --


00:30:47.367 --> 00:30:48.300
LEANNE:
THAT'S VERY AUSTRALIAN.

00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:49.667
YOU'VE GOT TO
KNOW AUSSIES.

00:30:49.767 --> 00:30:54.266
EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR NICKNAMES
IS DEPRECATING IN SOME WAY,

00:30:54.366 --> 00:30:56.100
LIKE THEY'RE
NEVER POSITIVE.

00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:57.733
I KNOW


00:30:57.833 --> 00:30:59.233
YOU KNOW AUSSIES.


00:30:59.333 --> 00:31:00.233
JUERGEN: BUT I'M LIKE,


00:31:00.333 --> 00:31:02.200
I DON'T LIKE THE
NICKNAME, BUT I LOVE THAT

00:31:02.300 --> 00:31:04.433
YOU'RE SO BOLD THAT
YOU CALL ME STINKY.

00:31:04.533 --> 00:31:06.700
AND EVERYONE'S LIKE, WHY
IS SHE CALLING YOU STINKY?

00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:07.300
LEANNE: IT WAS


00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:08.300
KIND OF CUTE.


00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:09.067
JUERGEN: I'M LIKE, I
DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY.

00:31:09.167 --> 00:31:10.067
LEANNE: IT WAS CUTE.


00:31:10.167 --> 00:31:11.300
JUERGEN: I'M SURE I HAVEN'T
IN THE CAR.

00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:12.600
LEANNE: I HAVEN'T DONE
THAT FOR A WHILE.

00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:14.033
REBECCA: I WAS GOING TO ASK,
IS THAT STILL THE NICKNAME?

00:31:14.133 --> 00:31:15.434
LEANNE: BUT NO, NOT ANYMORE.


00:31:15.534 --> 00:31:16.667
REBECCA: IT'S NOT ANYMORE?


00:31:16.767 --> 00:31:18.134
JUERGEN: YEAH, YEAH.


00:31:18.234 --> 00:31:20.666
I MEAN, YEAH,
SHE'S HAD A FEW.

00:31:20.766 --> 00:31:24.100
I DO CALL HER ROONEY BECAUSE
THE FAMILY ARE FROM IRELAND,

00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.533
AND SO THERE'S A,
SO THEY CALL HER LEANNY ROONEY.

00:31:27.633 --> 00:31:28.734
REBECCA: YEAH, THAT'S COOL.


00:31:28.834 --> 00:31:31.067
JONATHAN: I LIKED WHEN
YOU CALL, THEY'RE FOXY CLEOPATRA

00:31:31.167 --> 00:31:32.167
OR SOMETHING.


00:31:32.267 --> 00:31:33.367
THAT WAS A GOOD NAME.


00:31:33.467 --> 00:31:34.000
LEANNE: THAT WAS FROM,


00:31:34.100 --> 00:31:34.834
JUERGEN: WE HAVE A FEW.


00:31:34.934 --> 00:31:35.334
I HAVE A FEW.


00:31:35.434 --> 00:31:36.167
I LIKE NICKNAMES.


00:31:36.267 --> 00:31:36.700
JONATHAN: YEAH.


00:31:36.800 --> 00:31:37.800
ME TOO, I HAVE,


00:31:37.900 --> 00:31:39.034
HOW MANY NICKNAMES
DO I HAVE FOR YOU?

00:31:39.134 --> 00:31:40.000
REBECCA: A MILLION, YEAH.


00:31:40.100 --> 00:31:41.666
PLAYFULNESS IN A MARRIAGE
IS SO IMPORTANT.

00:31:41.766 --> 00:31:42.700
JUERGEN:
PLAYFULNESS IS EVERYTHING.

00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:43.800
LEANNE: NECESSARY.


00:31:43.900 --> 00:31:44.634
JUERGEN: I THINK,
YOU KNOW, LIKE, PRAY TOGETHER,

00:31:44.734 --> 00:31:45.834
STAY TOGETHER.


00:31:45.934 --> 00:31:47.933
I THINK PLAY TOGETHER IS
AS IMPORTANT AS PRAY TOGETHER.

00:31:48.033 --> 00:31:48.734
JONATHAN: TOTALLY.


00:31:48.834 --> 00:31:49.700
JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:31:49.800 --> 00:31:50.700
BECAUSE AS SOON AS
MARRIAGE IS NOT FUN,

00:31:50.800 --> 00:31:51.400
IT'S NOT


00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:52.400
GOOD ANYMORE.


00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:53.167
REBECCA: IT'S HARD ENOUGH.


00:31:53.267 --> 00:31:53.933
YOU REALLY


00:31:54.033 --> 00:31:55.234
HAVE TO
HAVE FUN TOGETHER.

00:31:55.334 --> 00:31:56.467
LEANNE: AGREED.


00:31:56.567 --> 00:31:57.634
REBECCA: AND YOU NEEDED SOMEONE
THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON

00:31:57.734 --> 00:31:58.800
THIS WILD
ADVENTURE WITH YOU.

00:31:58.900 --> 00:32:01.166
THAT WAS THE OTHER
THING I WAS THINKING.

00:32:01.266 --> 00:32:02.400
SO HOW DID
NEW ZEALAND COME ABOUT?

00:32:02.500 --> 00:32:03.933
WERE YOU EXPECTING
THAT AT ALL?

00:32:04.033 --> 00:32:06.433
LEANNE: WELL, I WASN'T
EXPECTING IT.

00:32:06.533 --> 00:32:07.600
IT WAS A SHOCK FOR ME.


00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:10.500
I THOUGHT, WELL, WE,
I GOT MARRIED AT 17-AND-A-HALF.

00:32:10.600 --> 00:32:12.367
SO I THINK
IT WAS FAST-TRACKED

00:32:12.467 --> 00:32:14.333
BECAUSE HE WAS
CALLED TO NEW ZEALAND.

00:32:14.433 --> 00:32:18.033
SO HE'D FINISHED BIBLE COLLEGE,
GRADUATED FROM HILLSONG COLLEGE.

00:32:18.133 --> 00:32:21.267
AND THEN THEY ASKED
HIM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER

00:32:21.367 --> 00:32:24.534
BECOMING THE YOUTH PASTOR
AT A CHURCH IN SOUTH AUCKLAND?

00:32:24.634 --> 00:32:27.167
AND SO HE WENT OVER THERE
KIND OF THINKING NO

00:32:27.267 --> 00:32:29.000
IN HIS HEAD
AND IN HIS SPIRIT.

00:32:29.100 --> 00:32:32.533
BUT, YOU KNOW, HE HAD SAID NO IN
HIS HEAD, BUT GOD HAD SAID YES.

00:32:32.633 --> 00:32:33.600
AND SO,


00:32:33.700 --> 00:32:34.333
AND WE


00:32:34.433 --> 00:32:35.367
CAME BACK
FROM THAT TRIP.

00:32:35.467 --> 00:32:36.400
JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:37.867
WE HAD THIS PROPHET
WHO WAS FROM AMERICA.

00:32:37.967 --> 00:32:39.533
THAT'S RIGHT, MIKE BERRY.


00:32:39.633 --> 00:32:42.200
AND HE WAS SO
RIDICULOUSLY ACCURATE.

00:32:42.300 --> 00:32:46.333
SO I'M IN NEW ZEALAND JUST
BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT ME A TICKET.

00:32:46.433 --> 00:32:49.166
IT WAS THIS MINISTRY THING AND
I, YOU KNOW, AND I'D ALREADY,

00:32:49.266 --> 00:32:50.800
YOU KNOW,
LITERALLY WRITTEN OUT

00:32:50.867 --> 00:32:54.967
MY SPEECH TO SAY THANK YOU,
BUT NO THANKS.

00:32:55.067 --> 00:32:56.067
GOD BLESS YOU.


00:32:56.167 --> 00:32:56.900
YOU KNOW.


00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.500
AND SO I'VE GOT
IT ALL PREPARED.

00:32:58.600 --> 00:33:01.500
AND ON THE LAST DAY THERE,
MIKE BERRY GOES AND,

00:33:01.600 --> 00:33:02.333
WHERE'S JUERGEN?


00:33:02.433 --> 00:33:04.066
JUERGEN, WHERE ARE YOU?


00:33:04.166 --> 00:33:05.367
AND GET OUT HERE.


00:33:05.467 --> 00:33:09.167
AND I COME OUT AND HE SAYS,
I SEE YOU LAYING ON THE FLOOR.

00:33:09.267 --> 00:33:12.333
AND IT'S A,
IT'S A LINOLEUM FLOOR.

00:33:12.433 --> 00:33:15.234
SQUARE CHECKS,
DIFFERENT COLORS.

00:33:15.334 --> 00:33:18.500
AND YOU'RE CRYING OUT TO GOD,
SEND ME TO THE NATIONS,

00:33:18.600 --> 00:33:20.200
SEND ME
TO THE NATIONS.

00:33:20.300 --> 00:33:22.633
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I
REALIZED THERE WAS A MORNING

00:33:22.733 --> 00:33:24.834
WHEN I WAS AT
HILLSONG BIBLE COLLEGE

00:33:24.934 --> 00:33:26.567
WHERE WE HAD,
EVERY FRIDAY MORNING

00:33:26.667 --> 00:33:28.034
WAS A
6 A.M. PRAYER MEETING

00:33:28.134 --> 00:33:29.633
FROM 6 A.M. TO 7:00.


00:33:29.733 --> 00:33:31.900
THEN AT 7:00, WE WOULD
GO ACROSS THE STREET

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.733
TO WHERE THERE WAS A BAKERY,
AND THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW,

00:33:34.833 --> 00:33:36.767
THE FRESHEST CROISSANTS


00:33:36.867 --> 00:33:39.467
AND THE FRESHEST
APPLE PASTRIES AND TURNOVERS

00:33:39.567 --> 00:33:40.900
AND CHOCOLATE MILK.


00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.433
AND FOR A DOLLAR, YOU COULD GET
A PASTRY AND A CHOCOLATE MILK.

00:33:44.533 --> 00:33:46.133
BUT I'D FORGOTTEN MY
WALLET, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO

00:33:46.233 --> 00:33:47.500
BORROW MONEY
OFF ANYBODY.

00:33:47.600 --> 00:33:49.200
AND THERE WAS SUCH A
STRONG PRESENCE OF GOD,

00:33:49.300 --> 00:33:50.833
I THOUGHT, I'M JUST
GOING TO STAY HERE.

00:33:50.933 --> 00:33:55.334
AND I'M LAYING ON THE FLOOR,
AND IT'S A LINOLEUM FLOOR,

00:33:55.434 --> 00:33:56.400
COLORED TILES.


00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:58.833
AND THE SONG THAT WAS LIKE
THE SONG BACK THEN

00:33:58.933 --> 00:34:02.833
THAT WAS LIKE THE HIT SONG WAS,
YOU KNOW, SEND ME TO THE NATIONS

00:34:02.933 --> 00:34:04.267
AS AN AMBASSADOR,
AS AN AMBASSADOR.

00:34:04.367 --> 00:34:07.933
SO THIS PROPHET WHO
WASN'T THERE, IT WAS JUST ME

00:34:08.033 --> 00:34:09.633
AND GOD, SAID, I SEE YOU
LAYING ON THE FLOOR.

00:34:09.733 --> 00:34:10.866
IT'S A LINOLEUM FLOOR.


00:34:10.966 --> 00:34:12.334
IT'S THESE COLORS.


00:34:12.434 --> 00:34:13.634
AND YOU'RE SAYING,
SEND ME TO THE NATIONS,

00:34:13.734 --> 00:34:15.034
SEND ME TO
THE NATIONS.

00:34:15.134 --> 00:34:18.400
I'M TRYING TO SEND YOU TO
THIS ONE, NEW ZEALAND.

00:34:18.500 --> 00:34:20.034
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO.


00:34:20.134 --> 00:34:21.934
WHAT AM I TO DO WITH YOU?


00:34:22.034 --> 00:34:22.534
JONATHAN: WOW.


00:34:22.634 --> 00:34:23.733
AND SO I'M LIKE, OH.


00:34:23.833 --> 00:34:24.966
LEANNE: AND THAT WAS
A PUBLIC PROPHECY, TOO.

00:34:25.066 --> 00:34:26.667
JUERGEN: SO IT WAS
PUBLIC PROPHECY.

00:34:26.767 --> 00:34:28.867
LEANNE: ACCOUNTABILITY WAS
AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH.

00:34:28.967 --> 00:34:29.934
JUERGEN: YEAH, YEAH.


00:34:30.034 --> 00:34:32.500
BECAUSE HE GOT UP
AND SAID, WHERE IS JUERGEN?

00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:33.667
AND I KNEW
HE WAS GOING TO PROPHESY,

00:34:33.767 --> 00:34:36.266
AND I WAS ONE OF
THE SONG LEADERS.

00:34:36.366 --> 00:34:38.167
SO I HID INSIDE
THE PULPIT.

00:34:38.267 --> 00:34:39.234
THEY HAD ONE OF
THOSE BIG WOODEN --

00:34:39.334 --> 00:34:41.000
REBECCA: NO, YOU DID NOT.


00:34:41.100 --> 00:34:41.800
JUERGEN: YES.
HID IN THE PULPIT.

00:34:41.900 --> 00:34:42.800
SO HE'S LIKE,
WHERE'S JUERGEN?

00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:44.166
BECAUSE I KNEW HE WAS
GOING TO NAIL ME.

00:34:44.266 --> 00:34:45.900
I JUST KNEW THE HOLY GHOST
WAS I'M LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:47.167
GO,
LA LA LA LA.

00:34:47.267 --> 00:34:48.766
I DON'T WANT TO
GO TO NEW ZEALAND.

00:34:48.866 --> 00:34:51.367
BUT WE LOOK BACK AND,
YOU KNOW, THOSE SEVEN --

00:34:51.467 --> 00:34:53.833
LEANNE: THOSE SEVEN YEARS WERE
THE MAKING OF US, FOR SURE.

00:34:53.933 --> 00:34:56.233
REBECCA: CAN YOU TALK
ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE?

00:34:56.333 --> 00:34:58.234
LEANNE: IT WAS, THEY WERE
DIFFICULT YEARS.

00:34:58.334 --> 00:35:02.100
LIKE I THINK IF YOU HAVE,
YOU KNOW, THE LIKE JOSEPH

00:35:02.200 --> 00:35:05.100
SPOKE ABOUT THE SEVEN LEAN
YEARS AND THE SEVEN FAT YEARS.

00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:07.900
THEY WERE OUR SEVEN LEAN
YEARS WHERE IT WAS LIKE

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.633
THE GYM OF THE SOUL,
THE GYM OF THE SPIRIT.

00:35:11.733 --> 00:35:17.400
AND SO IT WAS LIKE HEAVILY
LADEN WITH PERSECUTION.

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:20.800
JUERGEN: PERSECUTION, LIKE,
YOU NAME IT ON EVERY LEVEL;

00:35:20.900 --> 00:35:21.667
DYSFUNCTION, PERSECUTION.


00:35:21.767 --> 00:35:22.833
LEANNE: EVERYTHING THAT --


00:35:22.933 --> 00:35:24.433
JUERGEN: THE CHURCH COULDN'T
AFFORD TO PAY US.

00:35:24.533 --> 00:35:29.767
LEANNE GOT A JOB WORKING FOR ONE
OF THE COUPLES IN THE CHURCH --

00:35:29.867 --> 00:35:30.867
LEANNE: AS A NANNY.


00:35:30.967 --> 00:35:32.067
JUERGEN: AS A NANNY.


00:35:32.167 --> 00:35:35.266
BUT THE $4 AN HOUR,
AND EVERY WEEK,

00:35:35.366 --> 00:35:39.234
THE WIFE WOULD
RIP HER OFF.

00:35:39.334 --> 00:35:41.800
SHE WOULD HAVE TO
CONFRONT. SHE WOULD ALWAYS,

00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:43.666
AND THEN SHE MADE, FOR $4,


00:35:43.766 --> 00:35:46.133
SHE MADE LEANNE NOT JUST
THE NANNY OF THEIR TWO KIDS,

00:35:46.233 --> 00:35:48.100
BUT THE HOUSE CLEANER,
THE HOUSEKEEPER.

00:35:48.200 --> 00:35:49.000
REBECCA: WHAT?


00:35:49.100 --> 00:35:51.633
LEANNE: FOLD LAUNDRY
AND COOK A MEAL.

00:35:51.733 --> 00:35:52.134
REBECCA: NO.


00:35:52.234 --> 00:35:52.634
JUERGEN: YEAH.


00:35:52.734 --> 00:35:53.766
REBECCA: FOR $4?


00:35:53.866 --> 00:35:54.534
LEANNE: NOW,


00:35:54.634 --> 00:35:57.167
THIS WAS 1992, 1993.


00:35:57.267 --> 00:35:58.700
SO YEAH.


00:35:58.800 --> 00:35:59.800
TO GIVE IT SOME
PERSPECTIVE.

00:35:59.900 --> 00:36:05.066
JUERGEN: SO WE HAD
LIKE NO MONEY, NO FAMILY.

00:36:05.166 --> 00:36:06.600
LEANNE: WE DID EXPERIENCE REALLY
THE WORST

00:36:06.700 --> 00:36:11.133
OF THE CHURCH CULTURE,
THE GOSSIP, THE SLANDER,

00:36:11.233 --> 00:36:16.067
THE OSTRACIZATION, THE BEING
OVERLOOKED, REJECTION.

00:36:16.167 --> 00:36:21.000
AND I BELIEVE GOD ALLOWED IT TO
STRENGTHEN US AND REFINE US

00:36:21.100 --> 00:36:23.734
IN WAYS THAT NO
OTHER SEASON COULD DO IT.

00:36:23.834 --> 00:36:24.600
REBECCA: IT'S TRUE.


00:36:24.700 --> 00:36:25.700
LEANNE: YEAH, YEAH.


00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.200
SO THOSE FIRST SEVEN YEARS
WERE DIFFICULT,

00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:30.500
BUT THEY REALLY, THEY MADE US
BUFF IN THE SPIRIT.

00:36:30.600 --> 00:36:32.066
THEY MADE US
STRONG, RESOLUTE.

00:36:32.166 --> 00:36:32.867
JUERGEN: I COULD ONLY
GO TO GOD.

00:36:32.967 --> 00:36:33.834
I COULDN'T GO
TO MY PASTOR.

00:36:33.934 --> 00:36:35.000
I COULDN'T GO TO MY BOSS.


00:36:35.100 --> 00:36:36.933
I COULDN'T GO TO, WE
HAD TO GO TO GOD FOR --

00:36:37.033 --> 00:36:37.834
LEANNE: NO MUM AND DAD.


00:36:37.934 --> 00:36:39.200
SO MY MUM AND DAD
WERE IN AUSTRALIA,

00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:40.867
SO I WAS
AWAY FROM FAMILY,

00:36:40.967 --> 00:36:42.934
HAD NO FAMILY SUPPORT.


00:36:43.034 --> 00:36:44.967
JUERGEN: SO THE MIRACLES
WE SAW

00:36:45.067 --> 00:36:46.167
WERE LIKE, AND
THOSE MIRACLES

00:36:46.267 --> 00:36:48.100
ARE STILL
IN OUR SPIRIT TODAY.

00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:51.600
SO WE STARTED OUR CHURCH
IN 2005, AND THEY TOLD US,

00:36:51.700 --> 00:36:55.934
HEY, JUST SO YOU KNOW,
THERE'S NO ZONING FOR CHURCHES

00:36:56.034 --> 00:36:57.333
IN SAN DIEGO.


00:36:57.433 --> 00:37:00.566
SO EVERY CHURCH THAT
EXISTS HAD TO GO TO THE CITY

00:37:00.666 --> 00:37:02.733
AND CONVINCE THE CITY
WHY IT NEEDED TO GIVE UP

00:37:02.833 --> 00:37:06.167
ITS TAX REVENUE IN ORDER
FOR YOU TO HAVE

00:37:06.267 --> 00:37:09.867
A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT,
BECAUSE CHURCHES ARE TAX-EXEMPT.

00:37:09.967 --> 00:37:13.367
AND THEN THEY SAID TO ME,
PLUS, SAN DIEGO AT THAT TIME

00:37:13.467 --> 00:37:15.666
IS THE FIFTH MOST EXPENSIVE
COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE

00:37:15.766 --> 00:37:17.167
IN AMERICA.


00:37:17.267 --> 00:37:21.300
AND IT SHOULD, THERE BE A
BUILDING COME UP THAT IS,

00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.733
HAS A CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT TO OPERATE AS A CHURCH,

00:37:23.833 --> 00:37:25.133
GET IN LINE.


00:37:25.233 --> 00:37:27.600
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF
CHURCHES AHEAD OF YOU,

00:37:27.700 --> 00:37:29.667
SO JUST GIVE UP
OWNING A BUILDING.

00:37:29.767 --> 00:37:31.766
SO I'M LIKE, YEAH, WELL,
YOU CAN BLOW IT OUT YOUR SHORTS.

00:37:31.866 --> 00:37:33.600
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE
UP OWNING A BUILDING.

00:37:33.700 --> 00:37:36.433
GOD DIDN'T CALL US HERE TO
JUST KIND OF EKE AND STRUGGLE.

00:37:36.533 --> 00:37:38.533
SO THAT WAS 2005.


00:37:38.633 --> 00:37:41.266
SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY 2025,
SO 20 YEARS LATER,

00:37:41.366 --> 00:37:45.067
WE HAVE 17 PROPERTIES THAT
WE OWN AROUND SAN DIEGO

00:37:45.167 --> 00:37:46.400
FOR THE CHURCH.


00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:50.000
AND SO YEAH, AND IT WAS
EVERYTHING THAT WE LEARNED

00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:52.633
IN NEW ZEALAND WHERE WE
HAD NO MONEY, WE HAD NO INCOME,

00:37:52.733 --> 00:37:56.934
BUT WE BOUGHT A MIRACLE HOUSE,
AND THEN WE FLIPPED THAT,

00:37:57.034 --> 00:38:00.333
DOUBLED OUR MONEY, AND THEN
BOUGHT LAND AND BUILT A HOUSE.

00:38:00.433 --> 00:38:03.967
AND WE WENT FROM THE
LOWEST-PAID STAFF MEMBER

00:38:04.067 --> 00:38:08.333
TO THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAD
THE NICEST HOME OUT OF ANYBODY

00:38:08.433 --> 00:38:11.133
IN, YOU KNOW,
ON THE TEAM.

00:38:11.233 --> 00:38:12.600
REBECCA: IS THAT IN NEW ZEALAND
THAT HAPPENED?

00:38:12.700 --> 00:38:13.534
JUERGEN: THAT WAS
IN NEW ZEALAND. YEAH.

00:38:13.634 --> 00:38:14.133
REBECCA: I'M SORRY.


00:38:14.233 --> 00:38:15.267
WHAT WERE YOU SAYING?


00:38:15.367 --> 00:38:16.634
LEANNE: WELL, GOD REALLY
SHOWED US ON THE FRONT END

00:38:16.734 --> 00:38:18.200
WHAT IT WAS TO
LIVE BY FAITH.

00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:20.467
AND IT'S PUT US IN SUCH
GOOD STEAD FOR BEING

00:38:20.567 --> 00:38:22.066
CHURCH BUILDERS
HERE IN AMERICA.

00:38:22.166 --> 00:38:24.833
LIKE, WE JUST FACE SO
MANY GOLIATHS AND FOUGHT

00:38:24.933 --> 00:38:27.333
SO MANY GIANTS THEN THAT
WHEN WE CAME TO AMERICA,

00:38:27.433 --> 00:38:29.434
THEY WERE BIGGER AND
MORE INTIMIDATING.

00:38:29.534 --> 00:38:31.766
BUT WE KNEW HOW TO BATTLE.


00:38:31.866 --> 00:38:33.200
REBECCA: YOU HAD SOME
BATTLES UNDER YOUR --

00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:35.067
LEANNE: YEAH, WE REALLY DID.


00:38:35.167 --> 00:38:37.400
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
THINGS WHEN I LOOK AROUND TODAY,

00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:40.134
I KIND OF
SEE A LOT OF CHRISTIANITY

00:38:40.234 --> 00:38:42.634
AND JUST PEOPLE IN GENERAL
LIVING WITHOUT FAITH

00:38:42.734 --> 00:38:46.734
OR WANTING AN EASY GO
OF IT AND GETTING

00:38:46.834 --> 00:38:48.433
DISCOMBOBULATED WHEN
THINGS ARE HARD,

00:38:48.533 --> 00:38:49.867
AND IT'S LIKE,
OH MY GOSH,

00:38:49.967 --> 00:38:51.433
BUT THIS IS WHERE
THE MUSCLE'S BUILT.

00:38:51.533 --> 00:38:54.167
THIS IS WHERE YOU
GET THAT RESILIENCE,

00:38:54.267 --> 00:38:57.500
AND THIS IS WHERE GOD SHOWS UP
AND CAN DO WHAT MAN CAN NEVER DO

00:38:57.600 --> 00:38:58.567
FOR YOU.


00:38:58.667 --> 00:39:00.767
AND IT'S THE MOST
INVIGORATING PLACE TO LIVE.

00:39:00.867 --> 00:39:03.534
IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT.

00:39:03.634 --> 00:39:04.400
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:06.333
THAT'S ACTUALLY
SUCH A GOOD WORD

00:39:06.433 --> 00:39:08.433
BECAUSE I THINK IN AMERICA,
WE WANT TO BE COMFORTABLE.

00:39:08.533 --> 00:39:10.967
AND VICTIMIZATION
AND VICTIM MINDSET,

00:39:11.067 --> 00:39:13.534
AND WE'RE TEACHING PEOPLE TO
LEAVE EVERYTHING

00:39:13.634 --> 00:39:16.733
THAT'S DIFFICULT AND SEEMINGLY
DIFFICULT AND JUST BAIL.

00:39:16.833 --> 00:39:18.733
AND WITH GOD, IT'S LIKE,
THE MOMENT YOU SAID YES TO GOD,

00:39:18.833 --> 00:39:21.800
YOU SAID YES TO
SUFFERING AND HARDSHIP

00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:24.900
FOR HIS SAKE, FOR HIS GLORY,
AND FOR THE KINGDOM.

00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.300
REBECCA: WHAT KEPT YOU GUYS
GOING IN NEW ZEALAND

00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.500
THROUGH THE HURT
AND THE TRIALS?

00:39:30.600 --> 00:39:31.600
WHAT MADE YOU NOT GIVE UP?


00:39:31.700 --> 00:39:32.933
BECAUSE, I MEAN, A LOT OF
PEOPLE GET DISCOURAGED

00:39:33.033 --> 00:39:34.334
AND BE LIKE, I'M
GOING BACK HOME

00:39:34.434 --> 00:39:35.334
TO MY PARENTS.


00:39:35.434 --> 00:39:36.267
LEANNE: DEFINITELY.


00:39:36.367 --> 00:39:38.100
THAT WAS A TEMPTATION,
AT LEAST FOR ME.

00:39:38.200 --> 00:39:40.600
AND THERE WERE TIMES WHEN
I WOULD SAY TO HIM, LIKE,

00:39:40.700 --> 00:39:41.967
I DON'T WANT TO
BE HERE ANYMORE.

00:39:42.067 --> 00:39:42.800
I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS.


00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:43.800
LIKE, THIS IS UNFAIR.


00:39:43.900 --> 00:39:44.867
THIS IS --


00:39:44.967 --> 00:39:45.833
REBECCA: YOU'RE HAVING YOUR
BABIES OUT THERE.

00:39:45.967 --> 00:39:47.400
LEANNE: I'M HAVING, I HAD
TWO BABIES THERE.

00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:48.633
AGAIN,


00:39:48.733 --> 00:39:50.767
MOM AND DAD WERE ON THE,
YOU KNOW, ACROSS AN OCEAN AWAY.

00:39:50.867 --> 00:39:53.100
YEAH, BUT IT WAS
REALLY BEAUTIFUL.

00:39:53.200 --> 00:39:57.067
AND IT WAS REALLY WHERE
HE SHOWED HIS LEADERSHIP

00:39:57.167 --> 00:39:58.967
AS THE MAN
OF THE HOUSE.

00:39:59.067 --> 00:40:01.800
LIKE HE WAS WONDERFULLY
COMPASSIONATE

00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:03.966
AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT
WE WERE GOING THROUGH.

00:40:04.066 --> 00:40:06.067
LIKE HE NEVER DISMISSED
MY FEELINGS OR TRIED TO

00:40:06.167 --> 00:40:09.000
MAKE LIGHT OF THEM, LIKE HE
WAS EXPERIENCING IT, TOO.

00:40:09.100 --> 00:40:13.500
BUT HE WOULD SAY, LEANNE,
UNLESS GOD CALLS US ON,

00:40:13.600 --> 00:40:17.900
WE'RE NOT GOING LIKE WE'RE
GONNA UNTIL GOD SAYS,

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.500
IT'S OKAY, I'M GIVING
YOU THE GREEN LIGHT.

00:40:19.600 --> 00:40:20.233
OFF YOU GO.


00:40:20.333 --> 00:40:21.066
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO.


00:40:21.166 --> 00:40:23.367
THIS IS WHERE
GOD HAS CALLED US,

00:40:23.467 --> 00:40:26.667
AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO
STAY UNTIL THE LORD LEADS US ON.

00:40:26.767 --> 00:40:29.400
JUERGEN: YEAH, BECAUSE I KNEW
THAT GOD HAD CALLED US THERE,

00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:30.767
BUT I HADN'T
HEARD FROM HIM.

00:40:30.867 --> 00:40:34.067
AND I KNEW THAT THIS
WAS A TEST, YOU KNOW.

00:40:34.167 --> 00:40:36.167
AND I KNEW THAT THESE
WERE TESTING YEARS.

00:40:36.267 --> 00:40:38.900
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE I
DIDN'T GROW UP IN CHURCH,

00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.900
ALL I KNEW WAS I
HEARD GOD SAY, GO.

00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.233
BUT HE HADN'T SAID LEAVE.


00:40:43.333 --> 00:40:48.167
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS
A REAL INTERESTING THING

00:40:48.267 --> 00:40:50.900
BECAUSE I COULD NOT CONFRONT,
BECAUSE I HAD SO MUCH

00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.467
FATHER REJECTION,
SO MUCH BROKENNESS.

00:40:53.567 --> 00:40:57.000
AND MY BOSS, MY SENIOR PASTOR,
REALLY TOOK ADVANTAGE.

00:40:57.100 --> 00:40:58.533
HE WAS A BIT OF A BULLY.


00:40:58.633 --> 00:41:02.500
AND SO I
REMEMBER WHEN WE,

00:41:02.600 --> 00:41:05.800
SHE WAS PREGNANT WITH
OUR FIRSTBORN SON, JORDAN.

00:41:05.900 --> 00:41:11.667
AND JORDAN WAS BORN ON
THURSDAY THE 13TH OF JULY, 1994.

00:41:11.767 --> 00:41:14.167
BUT WE'D RENTED A HOME.


00:41:14.267 --> 00:41:15.366
WE HAD NO MONEY.


00:41:15.466 --> 00:41:16.600
THERE WAS A FAMILY
IN OUR CHURCH.

00:41:16.700 --> 00:41:20.400
THEY'D GOTTEN A WORK ASSIGNMENT
TO MOVE TO ANOTHER CITY.

00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:23.066
AND SO THEY SAID, LISTEN,
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW

00:41:23.166 --> 00:41:26.433
YOUR WIFE'S PREGNANT, THREE
YEARS TO SEVEN YEARS.

00:41:26.533 --> 00:41:27.900
WE'RE NOT SURE
EXACTLY HOW LONG,

00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.067
IT COULD BE AS
SHORT AS THREE YEARS.

00:41:29.167 --> 00:41:30.333
AS LONG AS SEVEN YEARS.


00:41:30.433 --> 00:41:31.667
YOU MOVE INTO OUR HOME.


00:41:31.767 --> 00:41:33.400
IT WAS A NICE HOME
IN A NICE AREA.

00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:35.100
I'M LIKE, OH, MY GOD, THIS
IS AN ANSWER TO PRAYER.

00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:36.433
HOW GOOD IS GOD?


00:41:36.533 --> 00:41:40.834
SO WE MOVE INTO THAT
HOME AND WE GET A LETTER

00:41:40.934 --> 00:41:43.367
SAYING, HEY, WE
SOLD THE HOUSE.

00:41:43.467 --> 00:41:45.333
WAIT, WHAT, YOU'VE GOT...?


00:41:45.433 --> 00:41:47.234
YEAH, SIX WEEKS TO GET
OUT, AND THE SIX WEEKS

00:41:47.334 --> 00:41:50.266
LITERALLY WAS FRIDAY,
THE 14TH OF JULY.

00:41:50.366 --> 00:41:51.300
REBECCA: NO.


00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:52.367
JUERGEN: A DAY AFTER OUR
SON WAS TO BE BORN.

00:41:52.467 --> 00:41:53.500
REBECCA: NOW, THAT'S


00:41:53.600 --> 00:41:54.566
A WOMAN'S NIGHTMARE


00:41:54.666 --> 00:41:55.333
THAT'S CARRYING
A BABY.

00:41:55.433 --> 00:41:55.934
LEANNE: IT WAS
A NIGHTMARE.

00:41:56.034 --> 00:41:56.600
JUERGEN: OH MY GOSH.


00:41:56.700 --> 00:41:57.600
LEANNE: SO STRESSFUL.


00:41:57.700 --> 00:41:58.367
REBECCA: THAT WOULD
STRESS ME OUT.

00:41:58.467 --> 00:41:59.633
YES.


00:41:59.733 --> 00:42:01.700
JUERGEN: SO THE STRESS
AND THE PRESSURE.

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.367
AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW
WHEN JORDAN WAS GOING TO COME,

00:42:04.467 --> 00:42:05.533
REBECCA: NO, YOU DON'T KNOW.


00:42:05.633 --> 00:42:06.567
JUERGEN: WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
WAS GOING TO BE BORN.

00:42:06.667 --> 00:42:07.934
SO HE WAS LITERALLY
BORN ON THE THURSDAY.

00:42:08.034 --> 00:42:11.700
AND THEN FRIDAY, I'D ALREADY
ARRANGED SOME OF THE STRONGER,

00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.433
YOU KNOW,
MAORI, POLYNESIAN BOYS

00:42:13.533 --> 00:42:16.167
IN THE YOUTH GROUP
TO COME AND HELP ME MOVE HOUSE.

00:42:16.267 --> 00:42:18.800
YOU KNOW, THE FRIDGE, THE
WASHER, THE DRYER, YOU KNOW,

00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:21.300
FURNITURE, LOUNGE,
AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.967
AND ANYWAY, I CALL MY BOSS
ON THE FRIDAY MORNING

00:42:25.067 --> 00:42:26.167
AFTER SPENDING
THE WHOLE DAY,

00:42:26.267 --> 00:42:27.633
BECAUSE SHE HAD
QUITE A LONG LABOR.

00:42:27.733 --> 00:42:29.200
IT'S 20-SOMETHING
HOURS OF LABOR.

00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:30.267
YEAH.


00:42:30.367 --> 00:42:31.767
AND I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL
WITH HER, OBVIOUSLY,

00:42:31.867 --> 00:42:32.900
FOR THE BIRTH
OF MY SON.

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.233
SO I CALLED MY BOSS
SAYING, HEY, JUST REMINDER,

00:42:35.333 --> 00:42:38.600
YOU KNOW,
I PUT IT ON THE WALL.

00:42:38.700 --> 00:42:40.467
TODAY'S A DAY OFF
TO MOVE HOUSE.

00:42:40.567 --> 00:42:41.800
HE GOES, HANG ON, HANG ON.


00:42:41.900 --> 00:42:43.667
DIDN'T YOU TAKE
YESTERDAY OFF?

00:42:43.767 --> 00:42:45.000
I SAID, WELL,
I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL

00:42:45.100 --> 00:42:46.200
FOR THE BIRTH
OF MY SON.

00:42:46.300 --> 00:42:47.267
YEAH, THAT'S
YOUR DAY OFF.

00:42:47.367 --> 00:42:50.033
YOU'RE IN THE OFFICE
TODAY, SO I HAD TO GO

00:42:50.133 --> 00:42:51.367
AND WORK
FROM 9 TO 5.

00:42:51.467 --> 00:42:58.834
SO I CALL THE GUY WHO THE, YOU
KNOW, THE LOCAL GO HIRE PLACE

00:42:58.934 --> 00:43:00.033
WHERE I HAD
THE TRAILER THAT I COULD

00:43:00.133 --> 00:43:03.733
LOAD UP ALL THE FURNITURE
TO MOVE, AND THEY CLOSE IT.

00:43:03.833 --> 00:43:05.766
IT'S, JULY'S
WINTER DOWN UNDER.

00:43:05.866 --> 00:43:08.434
IT'S LIKE, MATE,
MATE, WE CLOSE AT 4:30.

00:43:08.534 --> 00:43:11.500
AND I SAID, WELL, I CAN'T
GET THERE TIL AFTER 5:00.

00:43:11.600 --> 00:43:13.200
AND HE GOES,
WELL, BAD LUCK.

00:43:13.300 --> 00:43:14.900
I SAID, NO, I
SAID, PLEASE.

00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.233
I SAID, YOU KNOW,
MY BOSS MADE ME.

00:43:16.333 --> 00:43:19.833
AND HE GOES, MATE, YOUR
BOSS IS A BLANKETY BLANK.

00:43:19.933 --> 00:43:21.333
AND HE GOES, I CAN'T
BELIEVE ANYBODY WOULD

00:43:21.433 --> 00:43:22.600
TREAT SOMEONE LIKE THAT.


00:43:22.700 --> 00:43:25.667
HE GOES, I'LL BE
HERE TIL 5:15.

00:43:25.767 --> 00:43:26.733
CAN YOU BE HERE?


00:43:26.833 --> 00:43:28.334
I SAID, OH, SO I RACED
OVER, GOT THE TRAILER,

00:43:28.434 --> 00:43:30.900
HAD TO MOVE IN
THE DARK BY MYSELF.

00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.034
SHE'S IN THE HOSPITAL
WITH A BRAND NEW BABY.

00:43:35.134 --> 00:43:38.934
SHE COMES OUT ON THE SATURDAY,
AND BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE,

00:43:39.034 --> 00:43:41.033
SHE'S GOT NO FAMILY.


00:43:41.133 --> 00:43:41.934
SHE'S IN THE HOSPITAL.


00:43:42.034 --> 00:43:43.133
IT'S STRANGE.


00:43:43.233 --> 00:43:44.000
SHE WANTS TO BE WITH ME.


00:43:44.100 --> 00:43:44.866
SO SHE COMES HOME.


00:43:44.966 --> 00:43:46.700
SO WE GO TO CHURCH
SUNDAY MORNING

00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.034
AND SHE'S HOLDING
HER LITTLE BABY.

00:43:49.134 --> 00:43:50.900
SHE CAN BARELY WALK.


00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.100
SHE'S STILL SWOLLEN.


00:43:52.200 --> 00:43:54.000
YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:43:54.100 --> 00:43:56.000
WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE
TIME, BUT SHE'S SICK,

00:43:56.100 --> 00:43:59.533
BECAUSE THEY'VE LEFT SOME
OF THE AFTERBIRTH INSIDE OF HER.

00:43:59.633 --> 00:44:02.366
SO SHE ENDS UP ALMOST
BEING SEPTICEMIC AND DYING.

00:44:02.466 --> 00:44:04.733
YOU KNOW, SHE'S GOT
STITCHES, SHE CAN BARELY WALK.

00:44:04.833 --> 00:44:07.100
AND SHE'S HOLDING HER
LITTLE BABY IN CHURCH.

00:44:07.200 --> 00:44:10.600
LIKE SHE'S MADE THE COMMITMENT
IN THAT PAIN TO GET TO CHURCH.

00:44:10.700 --> 00:44:13.500
AND THE SENIOR PASTOR'S
WIFE, WHO WAS SO BROKEN,

00:44:13.600 --> 00:44:16.367
COMES OVER, GRABS HER ARM,
AND SAYS, STOP SHOWING

00:44:16.467 --> 00:44:17.967
SUCH AFFECTION
TO YOUR BABY.

00:44:18.067 --> 00:44:19.967
THERE ARE WOMEN HERE
WHO'VE HAD MISCARRIAGES.

00:44:20.067 --> 00:44:21.100
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.


00:44:21.200 --> 00:44:22.133
LEANNE: YEAH, I KNOW IT.


00:44:22.233 --> 00:44:24.567
LIKE, IT'S HARD TO
BELIEVE WHEN WE RETELL IT.

00:44:24.667 --> 00:44:25.900
JUERGEN: I'M TRYING TO TELL
YOU, LIKE WE WERE,

00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.366
IT WAS LITERALLY THE
LION'S DEN THAT WE WERE IN.

00:44:30.466 --> 00:44:30.967
IT WAS,


00:44:31.067 --> 00:44:32.900
WE SAW THE BROKENNESS.


00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.300
REBECCA: THAT WAS THE
REAL SNAKE PIT, RIGHT?

00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:36.100
JUERGEN: SHE GOT
SAVED IN A SNAKE PIT

00:44:36.200 --> 00:44:37.333
AND THEN
DISCIPLED IN ONE.

00:44:37.433 --> 00:44:38.633
LITERALLY.


00:44:38.733 --> 00:44:39.533
LITERALLY.


00:44:39.633 --> 00:44:40.367
IT WAS LIKE
ALMOST PROPHETIC.

00:44:40.467 --> 00:44:41.333
YOU GOT SAVED
IN A SNAKE PIT.

00:44:41.433 --> 00:44:43.133
NOW I'M GOING TO
SHOW YOU THE, YOU KNOW,

00:44:43.233 --> 00:44:45.267
BECAUSE WE HAD TO HAVE AUTHORITY
OVER THE SERPENTS.

00:44:45.367 --> 00:44:46.700
REBECCA: WHAT DID YOU
DO WITH THAT?

00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.767
LEANNE: I THINK I WAS SO YOUNG,
I WAS NOT QUITE,

00:44:50.867 --> 00:44:52.367
I WAS 19
WHEN I HAD JORDAN.

00:44:52.467 --> 00:44:53.200
THAT'S RIGHT.


00:44:53.300 --> 00:44:54.467
SO I WAS SO YOUNG.


00:44:54.567 --> 00:44:56.900
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO
PROCESS IT BECAUSE I GREW UP

00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.900
IN A CHRISTIAN HOME.


00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.266
MY MUM AND DAD
WERE BEAUTIFUL

00:45:00.366 --> 00:45:01.500
CHRISTIAN PEOPLE.


00:45:01.600 --> 00:45:03.766
SO I'D NEVER SEEN THIS
SIDE OF THE CHURCH,

00:45:03.866 --> 00:45:07.133
NOR DID I EXPECT TO SEE IT
IN MINISTRY AND IN MINISTERS.

00:45:07.233 --> 00:45:10.134
AND I THINK THAT WAS
DISHEARTENING AND DISCOURAGING.

00:45:10.234 --> 00:45:14.500
AND I WOULD, I'D, IN ALL
HONESTY, I WAS PROBABLY

00:45:14.600 --> 00:45:17.366
A LITTLE DISILLUSIONED
FOR A WHILE, ACTUALLY.

00:45:17.466 --> 00:45:19.566
THERE'S A GREAT STORY OF ME
GETTING RE-SAVED

00:45:19.666 --> 00:45:20.800
AT HIS ORDINATION.


00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:21.433
JUERGEN: OH, THAT'S


00:45:21.533 --> 00:45:22.634
SO FUNNY.


00:45:22.734 --> 00:45:23.767
THERE YOU GO.


00:45:23.867 --> 00:45:25.467
LEANNE: WE'RE IN NEW ZEALAND
AGAIN, AND I'D BEEN

00:45:25.567 --> 00:45:28.100
THROUGH ALL THE STORIES
THAT HE TOLD, AND SOME WORSE.

00:45:28.200 --> 00:45:32.033
AND I REMEMBER SAYING
TO MYSELF, GOD, LIKE,

00:45:32.133 --> 00:45:34.834
I ALWAYS WANT TO
BE JUERGEN'S WIFE,

00:45:34.934 --> 00:45:36.933
BUT I'M NOT
INTERESTED IN MINISTRY.

00:45:37.033 --> 00:45:39.567
MINISTRY IS HIS
THING AND NOT MINE.

00:45:39.667 --> 00:45:41.367
LIKE, I'M CHECKING OUT.


00:45:41.467 --> 00:45:42.200
MINISTERS ARE MEAN.


00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.167
THEY'RE HYPOCRITES.


00:45:43.267 --> 00:45:44.833
THIS IS JUST GROSS.


00:45:44.933 --> 00:45:46.967
AND HE WAS ABOUT TO
BE ORDAINED

00:45:47.067 --> 00:45:49.833
INTO THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD
MOVEMENT IN NEW ZEALAND.

00:45:49.933 --> 00:45:51.433
JUERGEN: YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU
GET YOUR CREDENTIAL.

00:45:51.533 --> 00:45:54.300
LEANNE: THEY
MAKE A CEREMONY.

00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:55.466
SO HE


00:45:55.566 --> 00:45:56.733
PASSED A PROBATION,
WHICH IN ITSELF IS A MIRACLE.

00:45:56.833 --> 00:46:00.167
AND SO THERE, SO WE'RE THERE
FOR THE ORDINATION CEREMONY.

00:46:00.267 --> 00:46:01.900
AND I GOT
A BEAUTIFUL WHITE SUIT

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.433
AS WE'RE ABOUT TO
CELEBRATE HIS ORDINATION.

00:46:04.533 --> 00:46:08.000
BUT VERY ESTRANGED FROM GOD
IN THE CHURCH, IN MY HEART.

00:46:08.100 --> 00:46:11.466
AND THEY GO THROUGH THE
CEREMONY, JUERGEN GETS UP

00:46:11.566 --> 00:46:13.767
ON STAGE, AND THEY PRESENT
HIM WITH A PLAQUE.

00:46:13.867 --> 00:46:15.867
YOU'RE OFFICIALLY A MINISTER IN
THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD

00:46:15.967 --> 00:46:17.700
OF NEW ZEALAND.


00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:18.834
JUERGEN: AND I HAD
A KNEE BRACE

00:46:18.934 --> 00:46:23.334
BECAUSE I
TORE MY ACL SURFING.

00:46:23.434 --> 00:46:26.200
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I
COULDN'T MOVE THAT QUICK.

00:46:26.300 --> 00:46:28.100
AND THEY HAD
THIS GUEST SPEAKER

00:46:28.200 --> 00:46:29.500
FROM THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

00:46:29.600 --> 00:46:30.766
WHO WAS
DOING THE, YOU KNOW,

00:46:30.866 --> 00:46:34.767
THE COMMENCEMENT KEYNOTE
AFTER THE ORDINATION.

00:46:34.867 --> 00:46:35.967
YES.


00:46:36.067 --> 00:46:37.566
AND HE PREACHES THIS MESSAGE
ABOUT THESE THREE CHAIRS.

00:46:37.666 --> 00:46:41.134
AND, YOU KNOW, THE
ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB.

00:46:41.234 --> 00:46:44.167
AND, YOU KNOW, GOD IS NOT A
GRANDFATHER, HE'S JUST A FATHER.

00:46:44.267 --> 00:46:46.200
AND SO THERE'S
THIS THING THAT HAPPENS,

00:46:46.300 --> 00:46:47.633
THE FIRST GENERATION'S
ON FIRE.

00:46:47.733 --> 00:46:49.867
NEXT GENERATION GROWS UP
WITH ALL THE BENEFITS.

00:46:49.967 --> 00:46:52.133
BUT THEN KIND OF THE THIRD
GENERATION SLIPS AWAY.

00:46:52.233 --> 00:46:53.067
WHAT'S THE ANSWER?


00:46:53.167 --> 00:46:54.233
TAKE AWAY THE THIRD CHAIR.


00:46:54.333 --> 00:46:56.600
EVERYONE'S GOT TO HAVE
A FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH GOD.

00:46:56.700 --> 00:46:57.767
AND HE SAYS, YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE,

00:46:57.867 --> 00:47:00.366
AND YOU NEED TO HAVE A
FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH GOD.

00:47:00.466 --> 00:47:04.600
AND SO BECAUSE I'M UP IN
THE FRONT BECAUSE OF MY KNEE

00:47:04.700 --> 00:47:06.500
IN A BRACE, SHE'S UP
THE FRONT, AS WELL.

00:47:06.600 --> 00:47:10.400
SO THIS PREACHER
GIVES AN APPEAL.

00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:14.100
SO LEANNE'S IN THIS
STUNNING WHITE SUIT.

00:47:14.200 --> 00:47:15.233
AND SO --


00:47:15.333 --> 00:47:16.867
LEANNE: BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW
I WAS FAR FROM GOD, LIKE

00:47:16.967 --> 00:47:20.033
HE'S, HIS MINISTER
HAD NO IDEA.

00:47:20.133 --> 00:47:20.900
JUERGEN: IT WAS JUST LIKE
HAVE A FIRST, YOU KNOW,

00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.867
FIRST ENCOUNTER
WITH GOD AGAIN.

00:47:22.967 --> 00:47:24.300
LEANNE: BUT I COULD FEEL HIM
SPEAKING TO ME DIRECTLY

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.533
LIKE HE'S
READING MY MAIL.

00:47:26.633 --> 00:47:29.766
I, YOU KNOW, AND HE REALLY DID
SPEAK INTO, THERE'S PEOPLE HERE,

00:47:29.866 --> 00:47:30.967
AND
YOU'RE DISILLUSIONED.

00:47:31.067 --> 00:47:32.833
YOU'VE HAD A TOUGH TIME.


00:47:32.933 --> 00:47:34.766
YOU KNOW, YOU WERE ONCE WALKING
WITH GOD, NOW YOU'RE NOT.

00:47:34.866 --> 00:47:36.967
AND I COULD JUST FEEL
MY HEART BEING PULLED.

00:47:37.067 --> 00:47:39.834
AND THEN HE DOES THIS
APPEAL, COME FORWARD, AND,

00:47:39.934 --> 00:47:41.666
YOU KNOW, LIKE RESURRENDER


00:47:41.766 --> 00:47:42.833
YOUR LIFE
TO THE LORD.

00:47:42.933 --> 00:47:44.200
JUERGEN: BUT YOU GOT TO TELL
YOU, IT WAS SO FUNNY.

00:47:44.300 --> 00:47:46.267
SO BECAUSE LEANNE'S UP IN THE
FRONT, SHE'S THE FIRST ONE OUT.

00:47:46.367 --> 00:47:48.833
AND SO EVERYBODY KNOWS
WE'RE SITTING TOGETHER.

00:47:48.933 --> 00:47:50.267
YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW,
I WAS A LITTLE BIT OF

00:47:50.367 --> 00:47:51.733
A LARGER-THAN-LIFE
PERSONALITY.

00:47:51.833 --> 00:47:54.300
SO THEY KNEW SHE WAS MY WIFE,
AND I WAS JUST GETTING ORDAINED

00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.600
IN THE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD,
GETTING MY CREDENTIALS

00:47:56.700 --> 00:47:57.500
AS A MINISTER, RIGHT?


00:47:57.600 --> 00:47:58.733
LEANNE: AND THEN
THE WIFE GETS SAVED.

00:47:58.833 --> 00:48:00.500
JUERGEN: AND THEN LEANNE,
OBVIOUSLY, IS ON THE FRONT ROW

00:48:00.600 --> 00:48:02.033
IN A WHITE SUIT.


00:48:02.133 --> 00:48:03.333
NO ONE ELSE IS WEARING
A WHITE SUIT,

00:48:03.433 --> 00:48:05.534
SO IT'S OBVIOUS THERE'S
LEANNE, WHITE SUIT.

00:48:05.634 --> 00:48:06.800
THERE'S HER HUSBAND
JUST ORDAINED.

00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:07.534
HOW COOL IS THIS?


00:48:07.634 --> 00:48:08.533
SO SHE GOES FORWARD.


00:48:08.633 --> 00:48:11.267
BUT THIS PREACHER
JUST GETS SO EXCITED

00:48:11.367 --> 00:48:15.000
AND HE GOES, I LOVE SEEING
LOST PEOPLE COME TO CHRIST.

00:48:15.100 --> 00:48:19.633
LITTLE LAMBS COMING HOME, TO
COME HOME TO JESUS, SWEETHEART.

00:48:19.733 --> 00:48:22.733
AND SO SHE BURST INTO TEARS
BECAUSE SHE'S EMBARRASSED,

00:48:22.833 --> 00:48:26.700
GOING, NO, I
WANT TO RESPOND TO GOD, I YOU.

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:27.866
THIS IS
A BAIT-AND-SWITCH.

00:48:27.966 --> 00:48:30.867
YOU DIDN'T SAY IT WAS
PURELY FOR SALVATION.

00:48:30.967 --> 00:48:31.900
YOU SAID IT WAS,


00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.900
AND SO HE'S
MAKING THIS BIG,

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:35.300
IF THERE'S ANYONE
ELSE HERE IS LOST,

00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.233
IF YOU'RE
A DIRTY SINNER LIKE --

00:48:37.333 --> 00:48:38.067
NO, HE


00:48:38.167 --> 00:48:39.133
DIDN'T SAY THAT.


00:48:39.233 --> 00:48:40.500
LEANNE: BUT NO, IT WAS A
PROFOUND MOMENT BECAUSE,

00:48:40.600 --> 00:48:41.700
YOU KNOW, AGAIN,


00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:43.467
JUERGEN: BECAUSE, AGAIN, SHE
COULD HAVE TURNED AROUND,

00:48:43.567 --> 00:48:46.500
BUT SHE HUMBLED HERSELF TO SAY,
EVEN THOUGH I FEEL HUMILIATED,

00:48:46.600 --> 00:48:47.900
I NEED THIS ENCOUNTER.


00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:48.600
REBECCA: I'M PROUD OF YOU.


00:48:48.700 --> 00:48:49.333
LEANNE: THANK YOU.


00:48:49.433 --> 00:48:50.300
JONATHAN: STUCK WITH IT.


00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:51.400
LEANNE: YEAH. BUT IT
DID SOMETHING IN ME.

00:48:51.500 --> 00:48:53.100
REGARDLESS, WHEN YOU
RESPOND TO THE ALTAR, GOD,

00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:54.966
GOD DOES SOMETHING.


00:48:55.066 --> 00:48:56.467
HE TRANSFORMS YOU.


00:48:56.567 --> 00:48:58.766
AND I REALLY DID NEED
TO HAVE THAT MOMENT WHERE

00:48:58.866 --> 00:49:01.834
I CAME BACK TO MY
FIRST LOVE AND GOT RID OF

00:49:01.934 --> 00:49:03.500
ALL THE
UNFORGIVENESS I HAD.

00:49:03.600 --> 00:49:05.300
AND YOU KNOW, THE
BITTERNESS I CARRIED OVER

00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.766
THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
DONE AND JUST GO,

00:49:07.866 --> 00:49:09.567
I'M DOING THIS
ALL FOR YOU, LORD.

00:49:09.667 --> 00:49:10.767
I'M DOING THIS FOR YOU.


00:49:10.867 --> 00:49:12.667
AND YOU KNOW, I REPENT.


00:49:12.767 --> 00:49:15.567
AND IT REALLY CHANGED
EVERYTHING FOR ME.

00:49:15.667 --> 00:49:16.467
REBECCA: WHERE WERE,


00:49:16.567 --> 00:49:18.167
HOW FAR INTO
NEW ZEALAND WAS THAT?

00:49:18.267 --> 00:49:19.267
LEANNE: WAS IT ABOUT,


00:49:19.367 --> 00:49:21.800
BECAUSE WE WERE THERE FOR
JUST SHY OF SEVEN YEARS.

00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:23.700
I BELIEVE IT WAS
ABOUT YEAR FIVE.

00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:24.800
YEAH.


00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:27.534
AND WE HAD ABOUT ANOTHER
YEAR-AND-A-HALF LEFT AND,

00:49:27.634 --> 00:49:30.967
BUT I FELT DIFFERENT,
I FELT FREE, YEAH.

00:49:31.067 --> 00:49:34.333
THE ENVIRONMENT HADN'T
CHANGED, BUT I HAD CHANGED.

00:49:34.433 --> 00:49:37.433
IT DIDN'T AFFECT ME
LIKE IT HAD PREVIOUSLY.

00:49:37.533 --> 00:49:39.733
I FELT A RESILIENCE THAT
I DIDN'T FEEL BEFORE.

00:49:39.833 --> 00:49:41.066
REBECCA: WHAT DO YOU
THINK THAT WAS?

00:49:41.166 --> 00:49:42.967
LEANNE: I THINK IT WAS
THAT SURRENDER.

00:49:43.067 --> 00:49:45.900
LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS NOT
ABOUT HOW PEOPLE BEHAVE.

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.067
IT'S ABOUT THE FACT THAT
YOU'VE CALLED ME, GOD.

00:49:48.167 --> 00:49:51.434
AND UNTIL YOU UNCALL ME,
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN,

00:49:51.534 --> 00:49:52.966
THEN I'M GOING
TO CONTINUE IN THIS.

00:49:53.066 --> 00:49:55.267
AND I ALSO MADE
A DECISION.

00:49:55.367 --> 00:49:57.867
I'M NOT GOING TO LET OTHER
PEOPLE STEAL MY JOY.

00:49:57.967 --> 00:49:59.800
I WAS BORN SMILING.


00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:02.667
AND I WAS JUST
DETERMINED THAT

00:50:02.767 --> 00:50:04.867
I'M NOT GOING TO LET
THE UGLINESS OF PEOPLE

00:50:04.967 --> 00:50:08.567
THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS
AND NOT BEHAVE LIKE THEM

00:50:08.667 --> 00:50:10.100
TAKE MY SMILE AWAY.


00:50:10.200 --> 00:50:11.267
I'M A JOYFUL PERSON.


00:50:11.367 --> 00:50:12.334
I'M A HAPPY PERSON.


00:50:12.434 --> 00:50:14.400
I LOVE THE LORD
AND I LOVE PEOPLE.

00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:16.900
AND I'M NOT GOING TO LET
ANYBODY ELSE SPOIL THAT FOR ME.

00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.000
JUERGEN: AND LEANNE HAS FOUR
SISTERS, LIKE SHE SAID.

00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:20.400
SO SHE'S ONE OF FIVE.


00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:22.566
AND WE WERE RECENTLY IN
AUSTRALIA WITH HER MUM AND DAD,

00:50:22.666 --> 00:50:24.034
AND THEY TOOK
US TO THE HOSPITAL

00:50:24.134 --> 00:50:25.400
SHE WAS BORN IN.


00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:28.900
AND OUT OF THE FIVE GIRLS,
THE ONLY BIRTH

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.533
THAT HER DAD WAS PRESENT AT
WAS LEANNE, NUMBER FOUR.

00:50:32.633 --> 00:50:34.267
THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT
HE WAS PRESENT AT,

00:50:34.367 --> 00:50:38.400
AND WAS ALMOST LIKE GOD
GAVE HIM A PRESENT TO BE PRESENT

00:50:38.500 --> 00:50:39.866
AT HER BIRTH, BECAUSE SHE
WOULD BE THE ONE THAT

00:50:39.966 --> 00:50:41.200
WOULDN'T BE LIVING
IN AUSTRALIA.

00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:44.267
ALL THE OTHER FOUR SISTERS
ALL LIVE VERY CLOSE.

00:50:44.367 --> 00:50:45.066
SHE WOULD BE THE ONE.


00:50:45.166 --> 00:50:46.433
SO IT WAS ALMOST
LIKE A GIFT.

00:50:46.533 --> 00:50:48.667
BUT I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS
FIRST COURTING HER

00:50:48.767 --> 00:50:53.734
THAT HER DADDY TOLD ME THAT
LEANNE WAS BORN SMILING.

00:50:53.834 --> 00:50:56.000
SO NOW FAST FORWARD.


00:50:56.100 --> 00:50:57.767
THIS IS NOW
OUR FIFTH YEAR.

00:50:57.867 --> 00:51:01.400
I'VE JUST GOTTEN ORDAINED, BUT
WE ARE FIGHTING ALL THE TIME.

00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:06.467
SO EVEN THOUGH I LOVE HER,
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HUSBAND HER.

00:51:06.567 --> 00:51:09.534
AND I'VE GOT A VERY, VERY
BROKEN MODEL IN MY SENIOR PASTOR

00:51:09.634 --> 00:51:10.800
AND HIS WIFE.


00:51:10.900 --> 00:51:15.800
AND SO I'M FUMBLING MY WAY
FORWARD, BUT MAKING MORE FUMBLES

00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:17.100
THAN FORWARD PROGRESS.


00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:19.867
SO WE WERE FIGHTING LIKE
YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.

00:51:19.967 --> 00:51:21.600
AND SO WE HAVE
THIS ARGUMENT.

00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:22.434
SHE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:51:22.534 --> 00:51:23.833
I'M DONE, I'M DONE.


00:51:23.933 --> 00:51:25.600
I WANT A DIVORCE.


00:51:25.700 --> 00:51:26.600
YOU KNOW, I'M DONE.


00:51:26.700 --> 00:51:29.033
THIS IS NOT WHAT
I SIGNED UP FOR.

00:51:29.133 --> 00:51:33.533
AND SO I'M JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW,
SLINGING IT BACK ON HER.

00:51:33.633 --> 00:51:34.666
AND I KNEW I
NEEDED TO GET OUT.

00:51:34.766 --> 00:51:36.066
SO I SAID, I'M GOING TO
GO FOR A PRAYER WALK.

00:51:36.166 --> 00:51:37.933
AND, YOU KNOW, DON'T BE
SURPRISED IF YOU BREAK OUT

00:51:38.033 --> 00:51:39.200
IN BOILS.


00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:41.433
JUDGMENT OF GOD, YOU KNOW,
LIKE SOMETHING REALLY STUPID.

00:51:41.533 --> 00:51:45.400
SO I GO ON THIS PRAYER WALK
AND GOD DEALS WITH ME.

00:51:45.500 --> 00:51:48.033
HE DEALS WITH ME, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE LIKE,

00:51:48.133 --> 00:51:53.067
I'M TALKING TO GOD AND
LAMENTING ABOUT MY WOES.

00:51:53.167 --> 00:51:56.200
AND THEN HE INTERRUPTS ME
AND HE SAYS, JUERGEN,

00:51:56.300 --> 00:52:00.300
YOUR WIFE IS A PRODUCT
OF YOUR HUSBANDRY.

00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.300
I'M LIKE, HANG ON, WAIT,
WAIT, WAIT, HANG ON.

00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:04.200
WAIT, WHAT?


00:52:04.300 --> 00:52:05.433
LIKE WHAT?


00:52:05.533 --> 00:52:09.267
HE'S LIKE, YEAH, SHE'S A PRODUCT
OF YOUR FAILED HUSBANDRY.

00:52:09.367 --> 00:52:12.766
YOU'RE THE LEADER, AND
YOU'RE NOT LEADING HER.

00:52:12.866 --> 00:52:14.900
AND THEN HE TAKES ME ON
THIS BEAUTIFUL JOURNEY.

00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.900
ANYWAY, I COME
BACK TO THE HOUSE

00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:18.834
AND I'M LOOKING
THROUGH THE WINDOW.

00:52:18.934 --> 00:52:23.100
AND ASH IS JUST A LITTLE BABY,
AND LEANNE IS, YOU KNOW,

00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:25.067
WASHING THE BABY
BOTTLES, STERILIZING THEM,

00:52:25.167 --> 00:52:27.033
GETTING THEM READY FOR,
YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT FEEDS

00:52:27.133 --> 00:52:29.866
THROUGH THE NIGHT
AND CLEANING UP THE KITCHEN.

00:52:29.966 --> 00:52:31.467
AND I LOOK THROUGH
THE WINDOW AND, YOU KNOW,

00:52:31.567 --> 00:52:35.133
WHEN IT'S DARK OUTSIDE,
BUT IT'S LIGHT INSIDE.

00:52:35.233 --> 00:52:37.533
SHE CAN'T SEE ME
BECAUSE IT'S DARK.

00:52:37.633 --> 00:52:39.767
SO THE GLASS IS
LIKE A MIRROR.

00:52:39.867 --> 00:52:44.467
BUT I CAN SEE IN AND
I'M LOOKING AND, YOU KNOW,

00:52:44.567 --> 00:52:47.067
HER HAIR IS
A LITTLE BIT DISHEVELED

00:52:47.167 --> 00:52:51.034
AND THE SPARK
HAS GONE FROM HER EYES.

00:52:51.134 --> 00:52:55.667
AND THEN I HEAR HER FATHER'S
VOICE SAY, SHE WAS BORN SMILING.

00:52:55.767 --> 00:52:56.500
I HEAR IT LIKE,


00:52:56.600 --> 00:52:57.366
LIKE I'M TALKING
TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

00:52:57.466 --> 00:52:58.633
I HEAR IT GO
THROUGH MY HEAD.

00:52:58.733 --> 00:53:00.700
SHE WAS BORN SMILING. AND
THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID,

00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:03.300
JUERGEN, WHAT
HAVE YOU DONE?

00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:04.500
REBECCA: WOW.


00:53:04.600 --> 00:53:06.734
JUERGEN: AND I'M LIKE,
THE FATHER JUST BEAT UP ON ME.

00:53:06.834 --> 00:53:08.600
AND NOW HOLY GHOST,
YOU'RE JOINING HIM.

00:53:08.700 --> 00:53:10.067
HE'S LIKE, YEAH,
WE'RE A TRINITY.

00:53:10.167 --> 00:53:12.300
AND THEN I REALIZED,
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?

00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.367
AND SHE WAS BORN SMILING.


00:53:14.467 --> 00:53:15.533
SHE AIN'T SMILING NOW.


00:53:15.633 --> 00:53:16.600
JACK.


00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:17.400
JACK WAGON.


00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:18.400
EXCUSE ME.


00:53:18.500 --> 00:53:19.133
JACK WAGON.


00:53:19.233 --> 00:53:20.433
SHE AIN'T SMILING NOW.


00:53:20.533 --> 00:53:21.566
AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD.


00:53:21.666 --> 00:53:22.667
LIKE.


00:53:22.767 --> 00:53:23.800
AND SO I WENT IN AND, YOU
KNOW, I HAD TO REPENT.

00:53:23.900 --> 00:53:25.500
AND GOD GAVE ME
THIS BEAUTIFUL.

00:53:25.600 --> 00:53:27.867
I SAID, GOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO
HUSBAND HER, I DON'T KNOW.

00:53:27.967 --> 00:53:32.167
HE SAYS, WELL, WHAT
WAS ADAM'S FIRST LESSON?

00:53:32.267 --> 00:53:34.600
I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW,
LIKE ALGEBRA, ARITHMETIC.

00:53:34.700 --> 00:53:35.800
YOU TELL ME.


00:53:35.900 --> 00:53:38.667
HE GOES, WELL,
HOW DID EVE COME ABOUT?

00:53:38.767 --> 00:53:40.766
I SAID, WELL, YOU SAID IT
WASN'T GOOD FOR MAN TO BE ALONE.

00:53:40.866 --> 00:53:43.334
SO YOU SAID, I'LL MAKE A
HELPER, AND THEN YOU PUT HIM

00:53:43.434 --> 00:53:45.566
ASLEEP UNDER A TREE.
AND GOD SAYS, WRONG.

00:53:45.666 --> 00:53:47.834
I SAID, IT'S
NOT WRONG, GOD.

00:53:47.934 --> 00:53:50.467
IT'S THE SEQUENCE
OF EVENTS.

00:53:50.567 --> 00:53:51.900
I SAID, IF THERE'S ONE
BOOK I'VE READ EVERY YEAR,

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.366
IT'S GENESIS, YOU
KNOW, EVERY JANUARY.

00:53:53.466 --> 00:53:55.100
HOW I PROMISE YOU I'M
GOING TO READ THE BIBLE

00:53:55.200 --> 00:53:56.366
FROM COVER TO COVER.


00:53:56.466 --> 00:53:59.334
BUT BY MARCH, THE LEVITICAL LAWS
KILL ME EVERY YEAR.

00:53:59.434 --> 00:54:01.067
THOU SHALT NOT
WITH A CLOVEN HOOF.

00:54:01.167 --> 00:54:02.300
WHO DOES THIS?


00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:02.900
PEOPLE.


00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:04.266
SICK PEOPLE.


00:54:04.366 --> 00:54:06.000
YOU KNOW, THOU SHALT NOT COOK A
YOUNG GOAT IN ITS MOTHER'S MILK.

00:54:06.100 --> 00:54:06.966
STOP THAT.


00:54:07.066 --> 00:54:08.600
THAT'S YOU,
STOP DOING THAT.

00:54:08.700 --> 00:54:10.666
AND ANYWAY, I'M LIKE, BUT IF
THERE'S ONE BOOK I'VE READ

00:54:10.766 --> 00:54:13.133
EVERY YEAR, IT'S
GENESIS, AND IT SAYS,

00:54:13.233 --> 00:54:14.700
NOT GOOD FOR MAN
TO BE ALONE.

00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:15.967
I MAKE A HELPER.


00:54:16.067 --> 00:54:18.534
YOU PUT HIM TO SLEEP, YOU
PULL OUT A RIB. GOD SAYS, WRONG.

00:54:18.634 --> 00:54:20.234
I'M LIKE, OH MY,
I'LL SHOW YOU.

00:54:20.334 --> 00:54:21.033
I OPEN IT UP.


00:54:21.133 --> 00:54:23.267
I'M LIKE, HANG
ON A MINUTE.

00:54:23.367 --> 00:54:24.533
YOU'RE, YOU JUST
SNUCK THAT IN THERE.

00:54:24.633 --> 00:54:26.433
GOD'S LIKE, IT WAS
ALWAYS IN THERE.

00:54:26.533 --> 00:54:28.334
SO GOD SAID, IT'S NOT
GOOD FOR MAN TO BE ALONE.

00:54:28.434 --> 00:54:29.600
I WILL MAKE A
HELPER SUITABLE.

00:54:29.700 --> 00:54:33.600
THE NEXT VERSE IS NOT THAT
GOD PUT HIM ASLEEP UNDER A TREE

00:54:33.700 --> 00:54:34.466
AND PULLED
OUT THE RIB.

00:54:34.566 --> 00:54:35.866
THE NEXT VERSE IS,


00:54:35.966 --> 00:54:38.733
SO GOD BROUGHT ALL
THE ANIMALS TO ADAM

00:54:38.833 --> 00:54:43.100
TO SEE WHAT ADAM WOULD NAME
THEM, OR IN THE HEBREW,

00:54:43.200 --> 00:54:44.567
CALL THEM.


00:54:44.667 --> 00:54:49.700
AND WHATEVER ADAM CALLED
THEM, THAT'S WHAT THEY BECAME.

00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.234
THEN GOD PUTS HIM ASLEEP
UNDER A TREE, PULLS OUT THE RIB,

00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:52.333
AND GOD SAID,
BEFORE I GAVE HIM

00:54:52.433 --> 00:54:53.967
THE PRIVILEGE
OF A SPOUSE,

00:54:54.067 --> 00:54:56.433
I HAD TO TEACH HIM
THE POWER OF HIS MOUTH.

00:54:56.533 --> 00:54:57.700
AND HE SAID, JUERGEN,


00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:02.700
I'VE WATCHED YOU CALL HER
ALL KINDS OF DEROGATORY NAMES.

00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:05.000
YOU CALL HER INSUBORDINATE,
YOU CALL HER REBELLIOUS,

00:55:05.100 --> 00:55:07.634
YOU CALL HER
ALL THESE THINGS, HE SAYS.

00:55:07.734 --> 00:55:10.133
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME
YOU CALLED HER BEAUTIFUL?

00:55:10.233 --> 00:55:11.833
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME
YOU CALLED HER PRINCESS?

00:55:11.933 --> 00:55:13.167
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME?


00:55:13.267 --> 00:55:14.900
AND SO I'M TRYING
TO MAKE EXCUSES.

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.767
I'M LIKE, WELL, WHEN SHE
STARTS BEHAVING, HE GOES,

00:55:17.867 --> 00:55:19.366
THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.


00:55:19.466 --> 00:55:22.667
HE GOES, ADAM PROPHESIED,
FLESH OF MY FLESH.

00:55:22.767 --> 00:55:25.134
SHE SHALL BE CALLED WOMAN.


00:55:25.700 --> 00:55:28.900
I SAID, AND THEN
EVE, HE CALLS HER.

00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:30.600
WHEN THE SUN WAS SETTING
AND IT WAS THE EVE OF THE DAY,

00:55:30.700 --> 00:55:33.200
HE SAYS, AND YOU
SHALL BE CALLED EVE.

00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:36.800
HE WAS PLAYING ON THE
ROMANCE OF THE MOMENT.

00:55:36.900 --> 00:55:38.400
THIS IS PRE-FLOOD.


00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:43.700
THEY RECKON THERE WAS PROBABLY
500 TO 1,000 MORE COLORS

00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.734
THAN WE HAVE TODAY,
BECAUSE OF THE CANOPY

00:55:46.834 --> 00:55:49.500
THAT WAS OVER THE EARTH
THAT IS NOW GONE.

00:55:49.600 --> 00:55:52.600
SO THE SUNSETS WOULD HAVE
BEEN SPECTACULAR IN EDEN.

00:55:52.700 --> 00:55:54.667
AND THE BIBLE SAYS,
AS THE SUN WAS SETTING,

00:55:54.767 --> 00:55:58.367
ADAM NAMED HIS WIFE EVE LIKE,
HE'S LIKE, BABY,

00:55:58.467 --> 00:56:01.800
YOU ARE THE CROWN OF
THE BEAUTY OF CREATION.

00:56:01.900 --> 00:56:03.900
BUT IT'S A PLAY ON WORDS
BECAUSE HE'S PROPHETIC,

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.000
BECAUSE EVE MEANS
LIFEBRINGER.

00:56:07.100 --> 00:56:09.400
SHE HASN'T BROUGHT
FORTH ANY LIFE.

00:56:09.500 --> 00:56:10.566
HOW DOES HE KNOW?


00:56:10.666 --> 00:56:12.200
HOW DOES HE EVEN KNOW
THAT SHE'S GOT A WOMB?

00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:14.000
HOW DOES HE EVEN KNOW THAT
SHE'S GOING TO TAKE HIS SEAT

00:56:14.100 --> 00:56:15.133
AND PRODUCE?


00:56:15.233 --> 00:56:18.067
BUT HE'S PROPHESYING AND
HE SAYS, JUERGEN, HE SAID,

00:56:18.167 --> 00:56:20.000
YOU ARE PROPHESYING
ALL KINDS OF.

00:56:20.100 --> 00:56:21.900
SO I CAME HOME AND I
REPENTED AND I SAID,

00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.434
LEANNE, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW,
LIKE, GOD JUST FREAKING,

00:56:24.534 --> 00:56:26.767
THE WORD CAME AND HAMMERED
ME LIKE, FIRST THE FATHER,

00:56:26.867 --> 00:56:27.867
THEN THE HOLY GHOST.


00:56:27.967 --> 00:56:28.767
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?


00:56:28.867 --> 00:56:29.900
THEN THE WORD.


00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.234
AND I SAID, I WANT YOU TO
KNOW I'M GOING TO CHANGE.

00:56:31.334 --> 00:56:34.800
AND TO HER CREDIT, SHE
DIDN'T BELIEVE ME.

00:56:34.900 --> 00:56:36.600
I LOVE THAT SHE
DIDN'T BELIEVE ME

00:56:36.700 --> 00:56:38.733
BECAUSE I NOW
HAD TO COULDN'T BE

00:56:38.833 --> 00:56:41.733
JUST LIKE I REPENT AND
THEN I GO BACK IN THREE DAYS

00:56:41.833 --> 00:56:42.700
TO MY
NORMAL BEHAVIOR.

00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:46.500
IT TOOK ME 20 MONTHS TO
CONVINCE HER,

00:56:46.600 --> 00:56:49.300
THAT I HAD LEARNED A LESSON FROM
GOD AND THAT I WAS GOING TO

00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:51.134
CALL HER BEAUTIFUL.


00:56:51.234 --> 00:56:52.267
I WAS GOING TO
CALL HER BRIGHT.

00:56:52.367 --> 00:56:54.566
I WAS GOING TO
CALL HER BRILLIANT.

00:56:54.666 --> 00:56:55.567
I WAS GOING TO
CALL HER STUNNING.

00:56:55.667 --> 00:56:56.834
I WAS GOING TO
CALL HER WISE.

00:56:56.934 --> 00:56:59.600
I KEEP SAYING TO HER, YOU'RE
LIKE A LITTLE MINIATURE BUDDHA

00:56:59.700 --> 00:57:00.600
COVERED IN BLING.


00:57:00.700 --> 00:57:02.466
YOU'RE SO WISE.


00:57:02.566 --> 00:57:03.333
WHICH IS --


00:57:03.433 --> 00:57:04.767
LEANNE: THAT'S A
LINE FROM A MOVIE.

00:57:04.867 --> 00:57:05.700
JUERGEN:
YEAH. SORRY.

00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:06.733
LEANNE: HE'S GOING TO
ADD THOSE IN.

00:57:06.833 --> 00:57:08.200
JUERGEN:
<i>ANCHORMAN</i> . YEAH.

00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:10.734
BUT SHE IS,
AND SHE HAS EXCEEDED

00:57:10.834 --> 00:57:13.300
EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SAID.


00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.667
LIKE AND I'LL TELL YOU
THE THERAPY IN THAT IS

00:57:15.767 --> 00:57:20.133
WHEN I SAY, WHEN I INTENTIONALLY
SAY, BABY, YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL.

00:57:20.233 --> 00:57:22.100
IT'S LIKE, OH MY GOD.


00:57:22.200 --> 00:57:25.834
LIKE SHE REALLY IS LIKE, BABE,
YOU'RE SO FAR OUT OF MY LEAGUE.

00:57:25.934 --> 00:57:26.867
I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD.


00:57:26.967 --> 00:57:29.700
SHE'S LIKE, IT'S
GOOD FOR A MAN.

00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.100
I THINK GOD ORDAINED IT
THAT WAY, THAT WHILE

00:57:33.200 --> 00:57:36.267
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO
REMIND HER HOW BEAUTIFUL,

00:57:36.367 --> 00:57:39.766
HOW WONDERFUL, HOW
INCREDIBLE SHE IS,

00:57:39.866 --> 00:57:42.933
THAT EVERY WOMAN NEEDS THOSE
WORDS OF AFFIRMATION.

00:57:43.033 --> 00:57:46.967
THE MAN, HE NEEDS TO DO IT,
HE NEEDS TO SAY, IT'S GOOD

00:57:47.067 --> 00:57:48.267
FOR ME TO HEAR.


00:57:48.367 --> 00:57:50.634
BECAUSE FAITH COMETH BY HEARING,
HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD.

00:57:50.734 --> 00:57:53.500
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN, I
THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS

00:57:53.600 --> 00:57:56.666
THAT WE'VE KEPT OUR MARRIAGE
NOT JUST FANTASTIC,

00:57:56.766 --> 00:57:59.334
BUT KEPT OUR
LOVE ALIVE, LIKE WE'RE NOT

00:57:59.434 --> 00:58:03.267
TOGETHER FOR THE KIDS OR, WELL,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN MINISTRY.

00:58:03.367 --> 00:58:06.466
WE CAN'T REALLY GET A DIVORCE
BECAUSE WE'LL LOSE OUR MINISTRY.

00:58:06.566 --> 00:58:09.834
SO I GUESS, LIKE, WHAT
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

00:58:09.934 --> 00:58:13.900
LIKE, IF I LOST MINISTRY, IF
I LOST EVERYTHING BUT KEPT HER,

00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:15.900
I TELL EVERYBODY,
WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN,

00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.600
YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUALLY
SEE ME IN TIME-OUT.

00:58:18.700 --> 00:58:21.567
IF THE THEOLOGIANS THAT SAY
THERE'S NO MARRIAGE IN HEAVEN,

00:58:21.667 --> 00:58:24.034
THEREFORE, YOU'VE GOT TO
SLEEP IN SEPARATE,

00:58:24.134 --> 00:58:25.867
I'M CONTINUALLY GOING
TO BE IN TIME-OUT.

00:58:25.967 --> 00:58:26.967
WHERE'S JUERGEN GOING?


00:58:27.067 --> 00:58:28.067
WELL, DID YOU HEAR?


00:58:28.167 --> 00:58:30.200
HE SNUCK OVER AND SLEPT IN
LEANNE'S MANSION AGAIN

00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:31.400
LAST NIGHT.


00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:32.400
AGAIN?


00:58:32.500 --> 00:58:33.633
DOES HE NOT KNOW
THERE'S NO MARRIAGE?

00:58:33.733 --> 00:58:34.600
YEAH.


00:58:34.700 --> 00:58:35.600
TRY AND TELL HIM THAT.
HE'S IN TIME-OUT.

00:58:35.700 --> 00:58:38.166
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO.


00:58:38.266 --> 00:58:41.167
IT WON'T BE HEAVEN IF
I'M SEPARATED FROM HER.

00:58:41.267 --> 00:58:41.734
HEAVEN IS


00:58:41.834 --> 00:58:42.867
I'M WITH HER.


00:58:42.967 --> 00:58:45.900
LIKE, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?


00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:46.900
JONATHAN: I'M SURE IT'LL
WORK OUT IN SOME WAY.

00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:47.900
LEANNE: YEAH, YEAH.


00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:48.933
JUERGEN: I DON'T CARE.


00:58:49.033 --> 00:58:50.933
I WAS IN
TIME-OUT HERE.

00:58:51.033 --> 00:58:51.834
REBECCA: WHAT WAS
THAT LIKE FOR YOU

00:58:51.934 --> 00:58:52.334
WHEN HE DID THAT
FOR THOSE 20 MONTHS?

00:58:52.434 --> 00:58:53.400
LEANNE: YEAH.


00:58:53.500 --> 00:58:55.534
I THINK I WAS WAITING TO
SEE IF I COULD BELIEVE

00:58:55.634 --> 00:58:56.666
WHAT I WAS HEARING.


00:58:56.766 --> 00:58:58.234
REBECCA: UNLESS IT WAS
GOING TO REVERT BACK.

00:58:58.334 --> 00:58:59.600
LEANNE: YEAH, YEAH.


00:58:59.700 --> 00:59:03.067
AND I ALWAYS KNEW THAT HE LOVED
ME, BUT THERE WERE JUST SOME,

00:59:03.167 --> 00:59:04.034
JUERGEN: I JUST
DIDN'T KNOW HOW.

00:59:04.134 --> 00:59:06.267
LEANNE: NEGATIVE PATTERNS
IN OUR MARRIAGE,

00:59:06.367 --> 00:59:08.200
THINGS THAT HAD
BEEN INHERITED.

00:59:08.300 --> 00:59:08.900
JONATHAN: YEAH.


00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:10.066
THOSE GENERATIONAL THINGS.


00:59:10.166 --> 00:59:10.900
LEANNE: YEAH, THEY'RE
GENERATIONAL, FOR SURE,

00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:11.733
THAT WE HAD TO
WORK OUT.

00:59:11.833 --> 00:59:13.067
BUT YEAH.


00:59:13.167 --> 00:59:16.100
THEN I SLOWLY STARTED TO SEE, OH
MY GOSH, THIS IS NOT JUST WORDS.

00:59:16.200 --> 00:59:18.267
THIS IS MY NEW REALITY.


00:59:18.367 --> 00:59:20.600
AND SO MY HEART OPENED UP
IN A WAY I FELT MORE CONFIDENT

00:59:20.700 --> 00:59:23.767
BECAUSE I FELT
MORE SECURE IN WHO HE WAS

00:59:23.867 --> 00:59:27.200
IN THE HOME THAT WE
WERE BUILDING TOGETHER.

00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:30.533
JUERGEN: AND YEAH, AND IF I WAS
REALLY, REALLY TRANSPARENT,

00:59:30.633 --> 00:59:34.633
I FELT LIKE
IT WAS AN EXERCISE

00:59:34.733 --> 00:59:36.667
THAT WAS THE
RIGHT THING TO DO.

00:59:36.767 --> 00:59:39.833
BUT YEAH, THERE'S PROBABLY
A LITTLE BIT OF A HYPERBOLE

00:59:39.933 --> 00:59:40.767
IN THERE.


00:59:40.867 --> 00:59:42.733
GOD, ARE YOU GETTING
ME TO EXAGGERATE?

00:59:42.833 --> 00:59:47.267
AND NOW, LIKE I FEEL
LIKE THE QUEEN OF SHEBA.

00:59:47.367 --> 00:59:48.667
YOU KNOW WHAT I HEARD?


00:59:48.767 --> 00:59:51.333
ONLY THE HALF OF IT WAS
TOLD ME. SO I WOULD,

00:59:51.433 --> 00:59:54.333
SO ALL OF HER
SISTERS HAVE DEGREES.

00:59:54.433 --> 00:59:55.900
TWO OF THEM HAVE
DOUBLE DEGREES.

00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:57.500
BECAUSE SHE
MARRIED ME AT 17,

00:59:57.600 --> 00:59:59.400
SHE DIDN'T GET
TO GO TO COLLEGE.

00:59:59.500 --> 01:00:00.834
SHE DIDN'T GET
TO GET A DEGREE.

01:00:00.934 --> 01:00:03.700
SO ALL OF HER SISTERS
WOULD MAKE FUN THAT SHE'S THE,

01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.933
YOU KNOW, THE
NOT-SO-HIGHLY EDUCATED,

01:00:06.033 --> 01:00:12.800
BUT HER WISDOM EXCEEDS ALL
THE OTHER FOUR PUT TOGETHER.

01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:14.100
AND I LOVE THEM ALL.


01:00:14.200 --> 01:00:16.800
THEY'RE ALL VERY BEAUTIFUL
AND BRILLIANT IN THEIR OWN WAY.

01:00:16.900 --> 01:00:21.366
BUT HER WISDOM, THERE'S RARELY
A DECISION I MAKE IN THE CHURCH

01:00:21.466 --> 01:00:24.333
THAT I DON'T RUN BY HER
AND GET HER PERSPECTIVE

01:00:24.433 --> 01:00:27.100
ON THE WISDOM
THAT GOD HAS GIVEN HER

01:00:27.200 --> 01:00:29.200
IS LIKE,
IT'S MINDBLOWING.

01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:32.300
SO I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN MARRIED
33 YEARS TO THIS YOUNG LADY,

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:36.767
AND AFTER 33 YEARS, I'M STILL
PLUMBING THE DEPTHS

01:00:36.867 --> 01:00:41.066
OF THE MAJESTIC WOMAN
THAT THIS IS LIKE,

01:00:41.166 --> 01:00:42.467
LEANNE: SO SWEET.


01:00:42.567 --> 01:00:43.733
JUERGEN:
SHE'S SO EXTRAORDINARY.

01:00:43.833 --> 01:00:46.333
LIKE BLOWS MY MIND.
EVEN LAST WEEK,

01:00:46.433 --> 01:00:49.600
LIKE IT'S THANKSGIVING AND
WE HAVE THE BEST TURKEY,

01:00:49.700 --> 01:00:52.733
THE BEST HAM, THE
BEST EVERYTHING.

01:00:52.833 --> 01:00:56.300
REBECCA: I'LL DO THAT
FOR YOU ONE DAY.

01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.533
JUERGEN: AND I'M LIKE,
GOD, I'M GOING TO HONOR YOU

01:00:58.633 --> 01:00:59.266
BECAUSE YOU DESERVE IT.


01:00:59.366 --> 01:01:00.434
IT'S THANKSGIVING.


01:01:00.534 --> 01:01:03.600
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M
IN FRONT OF ALL THE KIDS.

01:01:03.700 --> 01:01:04.733
I'M GOING TO MODEL.


01:01:04.833 --> 01:01:06.900
I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE
EVERY ONE OF MY KIDS

01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.766
RECOGNIZES THE AWESOMENESS
THAT IS THEIR MAMA.

01:01:10.866 --> 01:01:13.500
AND, YOU KNOW, AND GOD,
GOD IS LIKE, HE'S LIKE,

01:01:13.600 --> 01:01:14.600
YEAH, PLEASE.


01:01:14.700 --> 01:01:15.733
FINALLY.


01:01:15.833 --> 01:01:17.900
AND IT'S JUST THIS
BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, LIKE,

01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:20.233
YOU CAN HONOR GOD
AND HONOR MY WIFE.

01:01:20.333 --> 01:01:22.234
LIKE SHE'S JUST EXTRAORDINARY.


01:01:22.334 --> 01:01:23.967
AND IT WAS THE BEST,
YOU KNOW, AND --

01:01:24.067 --> 01:01:25.000
LEANNE: IT WAS THE BEST.


01:01:25.100 --> 01:01:26.567
AND I WOULD SAY IT'S
PROBABLY A GOOD POINT

01:01:26.667 --> 01:01:28.634
TO TELL EVERYBODY WHO'S
OUT THERE TODAY THINKING,

01:01:28.734 --> 01:01:31.133
OH, MY GOSH, IS ANYTHING GOING
TO SHIFT IN MY MARRIAGE?

01:01:31.233 --> 01:01:32.467
IT ABSOLUTELY CAN.


01:01:32.567 --> 01:01:34.000
WHEN YOU LISTEN TO
THE HOLY SPIRIT

01:01:34.100 --> 01:01:35.867
AND WHAT HE'S
ASKING YOU TO DO.

01:01:35.967 --> 01:01:39.066
SO THE MARRIAGE WE HAVE
TODAY AFTER 33 YEARS

01:01:39.166 --> 01:01:42.934
IS BEYOND MY WILDEST DREAMS
AND EXPECTATIONS

01:01:43.034 --> 01:01:44.400
OF WHAT I
THOUGHT COULD BE POSSIBLE.

01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:45.767
LIKE, I LOVE MY HUSBAND.


01:01:45.867 --> 01:01:47.633
WE'RE BEST FRIENDS.


01:01:47.733 --> 01:01:50.667
WE LOVE DOING MINISTRY
TOGETHER, LIFE TOGETHER.

01:01:50.767 --> 01:01:54.200
WE JOKE, WE LAUGH,
WE HAVE FUN.

01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:56.667
WE'RE EACH OTHER'S GREATEST
CHEERLEADERS AND ENCOURAGERS.

01:01:56.767 --> 01:01:59.600
I LOVE WHEN HE'S ON THE
FRONT ROW WHENEVER I PREACH,

01:01:59.700 --> 01:02:02.866
BECAUSE I ALWAYS KNOW I'M
GOING TO GET A BIG, HEARTY AMEN.

01:02:02.966 --> 01:02:03.767
JUERGEN: SO I'M
THE ONLY MAN

01:02:03.867 --> 01:02:05.067
THAT GOES TO OUR
WOMEN'S CONFERENCE.

01:02:05.167 --> 01:02:06.867
LEANNE: I NEED HIM THERE.


01:02:06.967 --> 01:02:08.367
JUERGEN: BECAUSE SHE
WANTS A FRONT ROW --

01:02:08.467 --> 01:02:09.100
LEANNE: HE'S MY HYPE MAN.


01:02:09.200 --> 01:02:10.166
I NEED MY HYPE MAN.


01:02:10.266 --> 01:02:13.033
BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO
ANYTHING WITHOUT HIM.

01:02:13.133 --> 01:02:14.467
YEAH, WE WANT TO BE
TOGETHER ALL THE TIME.

01:02:14.567 --> 01:02:15.700
JUERGEN: IT'S SO FUNNY.


01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:17.534
LIKE SHE'LL GET INVITED TO
SOME OF MY OTHER, YOU KNOW,

01:02:17.634 --> 01:02:21.867
PEER PASTORS'
WOMEN'S CONFERENCES,

01:02:21.967 --> 01:02:22.900
AND THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH,
I'VE BOOKED, YOU KNOW,

01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:24.100
A ROUND OF GOLF.


01:02:24.200 --> 01:02:26.566
I'M LIKE, YEAH, NOT DURING
HER SESSION THOUGH, RIGHT?

01:02:26.666 --> 01:02:27.500
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?


01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:28.567
REBECCA: AW, I LOVE THAT.


01:02:28.667 --> 01:02:29.666
JUERGEN: WE DIDN'T GO TO...


01:02:29.766 --> 01:02:30.766
I'M LIKE, YEAH, NO, I
CAN'T MISS HER SESSION.

01:02:30.866 --> 01:02:31.967
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, YOU
CAN'T MISS HER SESSION?

01:02:32.067 --> 01:02:33.767
NO, I HAVE TO BE THERE.


01:02:33.867 --> 01:02:36.233
AND THEN I'M THERE AND,
YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR CONGREGATION,

01:02:36.333 --> 01:02:38.267
WE'VE TRAINED THEM TO
BE VERY RESPONSIVE,

01:02:38.367 --> 01:02:39.233
BUT, YOU KNOW.


01:02:39.333 --> 01:02:40.300
LEANNE: IT'S VERY NOISY
CONGREGATION.

01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.167
JUERGEN: I'M STANDING UP,
I'M SHOUTING IT DOWN,

01:02:42.267 --> 01:02:44.167
AND THEY'RE LIKE,
BRO, BRO.

01:02:44.267 --> 01:02:45.566
REBECCA: YEAH, IF THEY'RE
USED TO IT, THEY'RE LIKE,

01:02:45.666 --> 01:02:46.467
WE DON'T DO THAT.


01:02:46.567 --> 01:02:47.433
WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING.


01:02:47.533 --> 01:02:48.100
JUERGEN: BUT
I'M DETERMINED.

01:02:48.200 --> 01:02:49.433
I'M GONNA, SHE'S GONNA,


01:02:49.533 --> 01:02:50.800
REBECCA: SHE'S GONNA
GET AN AMEN.

01:02:50.900 --> 01:02:52.033
WAIT.


01:02:52.133 --> 01:02:53.734
SO I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE
THING BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE

01:02:53.834 --> 01:02:54.834
I CAUGHT YOUR POINT,


01:02:54.934 --> 01:02:56.333
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THE AUDIENCE CATCHES IT.

01:02:56.433 --> 01:02:58.200
WHEN YOU STARTED SPEAKING
LIFE, WHEN GOD GAVE YOU

01:02:58.300 --> 01:03:01.300
THIS REVELATION FROM
GENESIS ABOUT ADAM AND EVE

01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:03.467
SPEAKING PROPHETIC LIFE
OVER YOUR SPOUSE,

01:03:03.567 --> 01:03:05.733
YOU SAID IN THE BEGINNING,
IT KIND OF FELT LIKE,

01:03:05.833 --> 01:03:06.800
THIS IS SOMETHING
I HAVE TO DO,

01:03:06.900 --> 01:03:08.500
AND I ALMOST FEEL LIKE
I'M EXAGGERATING.

01:03:08.600 --> 01:03:10.033
BUT OVER TIME,
YOU'VE COME TO REALIZE

01:03:10.133 --> 01:03:11.734
HOW AMAZING
YOUR WIFE IS.

01:03:11.834 --> 01:03:12.933
JUERGEN: YES.


01:03:13.033 --> 01:03:16.133
SO, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER,
REMEMBER, 2020 WAS LIKE

01:03:16.233 --> 01:03:18.434
CHURCHES WERE AFRAID TO
SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT

01:03:18.534 --> 01:03:20.200
AGAINST WHAT WAS GOING ON.


01:03:20.300 --> 01:03:21.133
YEAH.


01:03:21.233 --> 01:03:23.200
YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALL
ABOUT COMPLIANCE.

01:03:23.300 --> 01:03:26.234
HEY, FORCED VACCINATIONS,
FORCED SHUTDOWNS.

01:03:26.334 --> 01:03:27.334
REBECCA: Y'ALL WENT THROUGH
ALL OF THAT.

01:03:27.434 --> 01:03:29.233
LEANNE: YEAH, CALIFORNIA WAS
PRETTY DIABOLICAL.

01:03:29.333 --> 01:03:30.133
YEAH.


01:03:30.233 --> 01:03:31.100
DURING 2020.


01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:36.900
JUERGEN: SO I PREACHED
TODAY ON THE,

01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.766
BECAUSE THIS VERSE
JUMPED OUT AT ME WHERE ELISHA

01:03:39.866 --> 01:03:42.833
COMES TO THE
SHUNAMMITE SON WHO'S DEAD.

01:03:42.933 --> 01:03:44.534
AND GEHAZI RAN AHEAD
WITH THE STAFF,

01:03:44.634 --> 01:03:47.167
PUT THE STAFF ON THE CHILD,
LIKE ELISHA SAID.

01:03:47.267 --> 01:03:50.734
AND HE SAYS, THERE'S
NO VOICE NOR HEARING.

01:03:50.834 --> 01:03:52.333
THE CHILD IS NOT AWAKENED.


01:03:52.433 --> 01:03:53.400
AND I THOUGHT, ISN'T
THAT INTERESTING?

01:03:53.500 --> 01:03:57.733
HE DIDN'T SAY THERE'S
NO PULSE OR BREATH.

01:03:57.833 --> 01:04:02.067
AND GOD SAID, BECAUSE HEAVEN
MEASURES LIFE DIFFERENTLY.

01:04:02.167 --> 01:04:05.133
WE MEASURE LIFE
BY, IS THERE PULSE?

01:04:05.233 --> 01:04:06.100
IS THERE A HEARTBEAT?


01:04:06.200 --> 01:04:07.834
IS THERE COMPASSION?


01:04:07.934 --> 01:04:08.833
AND IS THERE BREATH?


01:04:08.933 --> 01:04:11.633
IS THERE INSPIRATION?


01:04:11.733 --> 01:04:14.700
BECAUSE A LOT OF CHURCHES
HAVE COMPASSION, FOOD PROGRAMS,

01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:16.266
AND THEY HAVE
INSPIRATIONAL WORSHIP

01:04:16.366 --> 01:04:19.634
AND INSPIRATIONAL TEACHING, BUT
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALIVE.

01:04:19.734 --> 01:04:24.233
WHAT GOD, HOW HE
MEASURES LIFE IS,

01:04:24.333 --> 01:04:26.800
ARE THEY SPEAKING?


01:04:26.900 --> 01:04:28.000
ARE THEY HEARING?


01:04:28.100 --> 01:04:30.300
AND THEN GOD SAID TO, THIS
IS WHAT HE SAID TO ME,

01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:31.667
AND I'D NEVER
HEARD IT BEFORE,

01:04:31.767 --> 01:04:34.700
HE SAYS, THE EAR
OPENS THE EYE.

01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.533
I'M LIKE, WHAT? HE SAYS,
AND I ALWAYS KNOW WHEN IT'S GOD,

01:04:38.633 --> 01:04:42.034
BECAUSE IT'S PROFOUND AND
IT'S TOO CLEVER FOR ME.

01:04:42.134 --> 01:04:44.634
SO HEAR THE HOLY SPIRIT SAY,
JUERGEN, THE EAR OPENS THE EYE.

01:04:44.734 --> 01:04:45.734
AND I'M LIKE,
WHAT ON EARTH?

01:04:45.834 --> 01:04:47.667
HE SAYS, THE WORD OF
THE LORD CAME TO ME.

01:04:47.767 --> 01:04:49.867
AND THEN I LOOKED AND I
SAW, AND THE WORD OF THE LORD

01:04:49.967 --> 01:04:51.900
CAME TO ME,
AND I BEHELD THE.

01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:54.867
SO WHEN THE WORD OF THE LORD
COMES, IT OPENS THE EYE.

01:04:54.967 --> 01:04:58.200
AND WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE
WAS GOD WAS GETTING ME TO

01:04:58.300 --> 01:05:03.434
SPEAK THOSE WORDS, BECAUSE
THE EAR OPENS THE EYE.

01:05:03.534 --> 01:05:04.733
SO THAT'S HOW
THE PROPHETIC WORDS,

01:05:04.833 --> 01:05:06.267
YOU RELEASE
A PROPHETIC WORD.

01:05:06.367 --> 01:05:09.100
AND NOW YOU SEE,
THAT'S POWERFUL.

01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:10.600
NOW I SEE IT.


01:05:10.700 --> 01:05:13.300
AND SO I DIDN'T REALIZE
AT THE TIME, GOD'S LIKE,

01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:17.800
FOR YOU TO SEE WHAT
I SEE IN THIS GIRL,

01:05:17.900 --> 01:05:20.533
I NEED TO CHANGE
YOUR SPEAKING.

01:05:20.633 --> 01:05:23.933
BECAUSE IF YOU KEEP
SPEAKING ALL THE NEGATIVE WORDS,

01:05:24.033 --> 01:05:25.766
YOU'LL NEVER SEE.


01:05:25.866 --> 01:05:29.333
BUT IF YOU SPEAK HEAVENLY
WORDS, IF YOU SPEAK MY WORDS,

01:05:29.433 --> 01:05:31.467
IT'LL OPEN YOUR EYES
AND YOU WILL SEE.

01:05:31.567 --> 01:05:33.434
SO NOW I FEEL
LIKE, OH MY GOD.

01:05:33.534 --> 01:05:35.833
LIKE I FELT LIKE I COULD
HAVE DOUBLED DOWN,

01:05:35.933 --> 01:05:39.500
TRIPLED DOWN ON THOSE WORDS AND
STILL NOT HAVE HIT, YOU KNOW,

01:05:39.600 --> 01:05:40.800
EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.


01:05:40.900 --> 01:05:43.033
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING
VERY, VERY POWERFUL.

01:05:43.133 --> 01:05:44.000
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?


01:05:44.100 --> 01:05:45.467
THAT THE EAR
OPENS THE EYES.

01:05:45.567 --> 01:05:47.400
REBECCA: AND THAT WAS
SUCH A GOOD WORD.

01:05:47.500 --> 01:05:48.933
SO DO YOU FEEL LIKE
THAT IN CONTRAST TO THAT,

01:05:49.033 --> 01:05:52.300
THE ENEMY WANTS
YOU TO SPEAK DEATH?

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:53.000
LEANNE: DEATH?


01:05:53.100 --> 01:05:53.567
ABSOLUTELY.


01:05:53.667 --> 01:05:54.733
THE NEGATIVE.


01:05:54.833 --> 01:05:55.933
JUERGEN: IF YOU THINK OF ALL
THE SITCOMS, YOU KNOW,

01:05:56.033 --> 01:05:58.167
<i>EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND</i> .


01:05:58.267 --> 01:06:00.900
THE MOM AND DAD HAVE
THE WORST MARRIAGE.

01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.900
LIKE, THEY'RE ALWAYS
CONDESCENDING AND NEGATIVE

01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:06.400
AND INSULTING.


01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:11.166
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL,
DUH, OF COURSE YOU'RE MISERABLE.

01:06:11.266 --> 01:06:12.800
OF COURSE YOUR
MARRIAGE SUCKS.

01:06:12.900 --> 01:06:15.766
LOOK AT WHAT COMES OUT
OF YOUR MOUTH, DOOFUS.

01:06:15.866 --> 01:06:17.600
YEAH, LIKE, IF YOU
START SPEAKING LIFE,

01:06:17.700 --> 01:06:20.400
IF YOU START SPEAKING
LIFE, EVERYTHING.

01:06:20.500 --> 01:06:22.234
SO I TEACH THAT
TO OUR MEN.

01:06:22.334 --> 01:06:23.266
SO I TEACH OUR MEN,


01:06:23.366 --> 01:06:25.300
YOU KNOW, IT'S IN
EMERGE THAT, YOU KNOW,

01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.500
YOUR WIFE IS A PRODUCT OF
YOUR HUSBANDRY,

01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:31.267
AND YOU DON'T KNOW
HOW TO LOVE HER.

01:06:31.367 --> 01:06:33.100
YOU HAVE NO IDEA
HOW TO LOVE HER.

01:06:33.200 --> 01:06:35.800
SHE WILL TEACH YOU
IF YOU'LL LEARN.

01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:38.633
AND HER HUSBAND IS
A MAN IN TRAINING.

01:06:38.733 --> 01:06:41.000
BUT WE NEVER GRADUATE.


01:06:41.100 --> 01:06:41.867
SO TELL ALL THE MEN,


01:06:41.967 --> 01:06:43.500
JUST BUCKLE UP, DOROTHY.


01:06:43.600 --> 01:06:44.400
CANCER'S GOING


01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:46.067
BYE BYE, HUSBAND,


01:06:46.167 --> 01:06:47.200
YOU'RE A MAN IN TRAINING.


01:06:47.300 --> 01:06:49.300
SHE WILL TEACH YOU
HOW TO LOVE HER.

01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:51.667
SO I'VE HAD TO LEARN
HOW TO LOVE HER.

01:06:51.767 --> 01:06:54.567
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WANT HER TO
BECOME LIKE ONE OF THE GUYS.

01:06:54.667 --> 01:06:56.300
REBECCA: HOW DID YOU LEARN?


01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:57.300
JONATHAN: HE'S LEARNING.


01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:57.867
JUERGEN: YEAH.


01:06:57.967 --> 01:06:58.733
STILL LEARNING.


01:06:58.833 --> 01:06:59.334
REBECCA: WELL, BUT I'M,


01:06:59.434 --> 01:07:00.167
I'M THINKING ABOUT,


01:07:00.267 --> 01:07:01.767
I'M LIKE STUTTERING.


01:07:01.867 --> 01:07:03.500
JONATHAN: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
TO DO A PART TWO OF THIS

01:07:03.600 --> 01:07:05.134
BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MILLION
QUESTIONS, AND WE DO HAVE TO

01:07:05.234 --> 01:07:06.200
PUT A BOW ON IT.


01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:06.934
REBECCA: IT'S SO GOOD.


01:07:07.034 --> 01:07:08.100
JONATHAN: YEAH.


01:07:08.200 --> 01:07:09.500
JONATHAN: I WANT TO HEAR
HOW THEY GOT TO CALIFORNIA.

01:07:09.600 --> 01:07:10.100
REBECCA: WAIT, WAIT.


01:07:10.200 --> 01:07:10.600
LET ME ASK MY


01:07:10.700 --> 01:07:11.800
QUESTION FIRST.


01:07:11.900 --> 01:07:12.900
JONATHAN: NO, NO, NO.
I'M JUST KIDDING.

01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.533
REBECCA: NO, NO, NO, NO.


01:07:14.633 --> 01:07:15.800
FOR THE MEN THAT ARE,
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE

01:07:15.900 --> 01:07:16.866
THAT ARE WATCHING,


01:07:16.966 --> 01:07:18.967
THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T,
I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD,

01:07:19.067 --> 01:07:21.267
THE BEST EXAMPLE
IN MY OWN HOME.

01:07:21.367 --> 01:07:22.633
YEAH, I WANT TO DO
RIGHT BY MY WIFE.

01:07:22.733 --> 01:07:25.767
I FEEL LIKE THERE IS AN EPIDEMIC
OF THAT IN SOCIETY TODAY.

01:07:25.867 --> 01:07:27.134
AND THEY'RE WATCHING THIS
AND THEY'RE THINKING,

01:07:27.234 --> 01:07:30.067
WELL, I WANT TO DO THAT,
BUT I HAVE NO IDEA HOW.

01:07:30.167 --> 01:07:32.567
HOW DOES A MAN LEARN?


01:07:32.667 --> 01:07:34.233
HOW DOES HE GET
DISCIPLED IN THAT?

01:07:34.333 --> 01:07:36.266
JUERGEN: IT'S BY DOING
WHAT MEN DON'T LIKE TO DO,

01:07:36.366 --> 01:07:38.534
AND THAT'S LISTEN.


01:07:38.634 --> 01:07:40.767
SO YOU KNOW, SO THE BIBLE
TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

01:07:40.867 --> 01:07:43.534
A CONTENTIOUS WOMAN
DRIPPING TAP, BETTER DWELL

01:07:43.634 --> 01:07:45.333
IN THE CORNER
OF HER HOUSE.

01:07:45.433 --> 01:07:47.500
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT
NAGGING ISN'T RIGHT.

01:07:47.600 --> 01:07:52.166
BUT QUITE OFTEN, NAGGING
IS WHAT A WOMAN WILL

01:07:52.266 --> 01:07:56.267
PUT HER HAND OUT TO BECAUSE
SHE'S NOT BEING LISTENED TO.

01:07:56.367 --> 01:07:57.533
THAT'S WHY SHE'LL NAG.


01:07:57.633 --> 01:07:59.967
BECAUSE SHE
DOESN'T FEEL HEARD.

01:08:00.067 --> 01:08:05.067
SO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING
THAT EVERY WOMAN WANTS TO KNOW,

01:08:05.167 --> 01:08:07.467
IS SHE SEEN
AND IS SHE HEARD.

01:08:07.567 --> 01:08:09.834
SO REMEMBER THE
STORY OF LEAH

01:08:09.934 --> 01:08:13.933
WHO HAD THE DELICATE EYES,
AND SHE WAS UNLOVED.

01:08:14.033 --> 01:08:17.833
AND WHEN THE LORD SAW THAT SHE
WAS UNLOVED, HE OPENED HER WOMB.

01:08:17.933 --> 01:08:21.500
AND THE FIRST CHILD IS REUBEN,
WHICH MEANS TO BE SEEN,

01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:23.267
BECAUSE SHE
WANTS TO BE SEEN.

01:08:23.367 --> 01:08:24.633
SHE WANTS TO BE NOTICED.


01:08:24.733 --> 01:08:26.100
REBECCA: LIKE BY JACOB.


01:08:26.200 --> 01:08:27.166
JUERGEN: YEAH.


01:08:27.266 --> 01:08:29.767
IS HE JUST BECAUSE HE
LOOKS PAST HER TO RACHEL.

01:08:29.867 --> 01:08:30.900
BUT SHE WANTS TO BE SEEN.


01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.600
SHE GOES, NOW MY
HUSBAND WILL SEE ME.

01:08:33.700 --> 01:08:35.700
SO THE FIRST THING SHE
WANTS ME TO SEE HER.

01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:37.033
SO, YOU KNOW,


01:08:37.133 --> 01:08:38.067
AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME.


01:08:38.167 --> 01:08:41.333
AND PLEASE FEEL FREE
TO DELETE THIS, BUT I --

01:08:41.433 --> 01:08:42.700
LEANNE: I'M BRACING MYSELF.


01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:43.500
JUERGEN: EVERY TIME,


01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:44.466
EVERY TIME SHE'S
IN THE SHOWER,

01:08:44.566 --> 01:08:46.667
I COME RUNNING
INTO THE BATHROOM.

01:08:46.767 --> 01:08:47.133
GO,


01:08:47.233 --> 01:08:48.233
WAIT.


01:08:48.333 --> 01:08:50.733
YOU NEVER TOLD ME THERE
WAS A SHOW, YOU KNOW?

01:08:50.833 --> 01:08:52.733
AND YOU KNOW, AND IT'S
JUST A COMEDY THING.

01:08:52.833 --> 01:08:54.033
BUT I WANT HER TO KNOW,


01:08:54.133 --> 01:08:54.766
LIKE...


01:08:54.866 --> 01:08:55.800
REBECCA: THAT'S SWEET, THOUGH.


01:08:55.900 --> 01:08:56.900
JUERGEN: YOU ARE STILL
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL,

01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:58.133
THE MOST AWESOME THING.


01:08:58.233 --> 01:09:01.100
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T
TELL ME THERE WAS A SHOW ON.

01:09:01.200 --> 01:09:02.433
THIS IS MY FAVORITE SHOW.


01:09:02.533 --> 01:09:06.033
NOTHING ON TELEVISION
COMPARES TO THIS, YOU KNOW,

01:09:06.133 --> 01:09:07.767
BECAUSE I WANT
HER TO TO BE SEEN.

01:09:07.867 --> 01:09:09.233
REBECCA: TO FEEL
LOVED AND VALUED.

01:09:09.333 --> 01:09:10.534
JUERGEN: TO FEEL LOVED.


01:09:10.634 --> 01:09:14.900
AND SO IF I WAS HONEST WITH YOU,
I DON'T MAKE HER GO GOLFING.

01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.800
I WISH SHE WOULD
JUST TO PRAY.

01:09:17.900 --> 01:09:19.433
LEANNE: IF IT WASN'T SO
LONG AND BORING.

01:09:19.533 --> 01:09:23.234
JUERGEN: HOWEVER, I DO GO
SHOPPING, AND IT IS NOT EASY,

01:09:23.334 --> 01:09:25.034
BUT I'LL SIT
IN THE DRESSING ROOM.

01:09:25.134 --> 01:09:26.300
REBECCA: THAT'S HILARIOUS.


01:09:26.400 --> 01:09:29.133
JUERGEN: AND I WILL TELL HER
THAT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, BABE.

01:09:29.233 --> 01:09:30.700
LEANNE: YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE
SHOPPING WITH ANYONE ELSE

01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:31.434
BUT HIM.


01:09:31.534 --> 01:09:32.700
HE'S BRILLIANT.


01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:34.000
JUERGEN: BUT IT'S NOT EASY.


01:09:34.100 --> 01:09:34.700
IT'S LIKE...


01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:35.500
JONATHAN: IT'S VERY HARD.


01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:36.666
JUERGEN: IT'S SO HARD.


01:09:36.766 --> 01:09:37.767
REBECCA: HE'S SO GOOD AT
PICKING OUT OUTFITS, THOUGH.

01:09:37.867 --> 01:09:38.533
JUERGEN: IT IS.


01:09:38.633 --> 01:09:39.500
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.


01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:40.600
LEANNE: THEN YOU'RE BLESSED.


01:09:40.700 --> 01:09:41.200
THIS IS RARE.


01:09:41.300 --> 01:09:42.200
THIS IS UNIQUE.


01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:43.667
JUERGEN: SO THE FIRST
ONE IS TO BE SEEN.

01:09:43.767 --> 01:09:45.900
BUT THE SECOND ONE,
SO SHE, YOU KNOW,

01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.966
SHE CONCEIVES AGAIN
AND BRINGS FORTH SIMEON.

01:09:49.066 --> 01:09:51.233
AND SIMEON MEANS
TO BE HEARD.

01:09:51.333 --> 01:09:52.534
REBECCA: OH, WOW.


01:09:52.634 --> 01:09:54.367
JURGEON: SIMEON MEANS
TO BE HEARD.

01:09:54.467 --> 01:09:56.767
SO SHE DOESN'T WANT
TO JUST BE SEEN.

01:09:56.867 --> 01:09:58.867
SO MOST GUYS, BABE,


01:09:58.967 --> 01:10:00.667
OH, YOU KNOW, YOU
LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL.

01:10:00.767 --> 01:10:03.800
SO THAT'S
THE FIRST ONE.

01:10:03.900 --> 01:10:06.300
BUT SHE WANTS TO BE HEARD.


01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:09.500
AND THEN FROM HEARD, IT'S
LEVI'S THE NEXT, ATTACHED.

01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.733
SO THERE'S A SEQUENCE.


01:10:11.833 --> 01:10:12.967
JONATHAN: THAT'S COOL.
I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT.

01:10:13.067 --> 01:10:15.533
JUERGEN: AND THEN JUDAH
MEANS PRAISED.

01:10:15.633 --> 01:10:18.733
SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW
THE RECIPE, IT'S IN THE

01:10:18.833 --> 01:10:21.400
GOD BRINGS HIS
VERY, VERY BROKEN.

01:10:21.500 --> 01:10:22.900
THIS UNLOVED WOMAN.


01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:24.834
HER DAD WAS SUCH
A JACK WAGON.

01:10:24.934 --> 01:10:26.267
REBECCA: I KNOW.
HE WAS.

01:10:26.367 --> 01:10:27.433
JUERGEN: HE TRICKED.


01:10:27.533 --> 01:10:30.366
HE TRICKED,
HE TRICKED LIKE,

01:10:30.466 --> 01:10:31.266
RACHEL.


01:10:31.366 --> 01:10:33.534
HEY, BABE, YOU GOT
NO OTHER CHANCE.

01:10:33.634 --> 01:10:36.334
UNLESS I TRICK HIM, NO
ONE'S GOING TO MARRY YOU.

01:10:36.434 --> 01:10:37.500
SO HE PUSHES HER IN


01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:38.667
IN THE DARK.


01:10:38.767 --> 01:10:39.300
REBECCA: LEAH.


01:10:39.400 --> 01:10:40.500
JUERGEN: LEAH.


01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.234
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY
HAVE SEX, WHICH IS MARRIAGE.

01:10:43.334 --> 01:10:43.900
SO WHEN HE WAKES UP,


01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:44.366
HANG ON.


01:10:44.466 --> 01:10:45.300
WAIT, WHAT?


01:10:45.400 --> 01:10:46.166
REBECCA: I KNOW.


01:10:46.266 --> 01:10:47.334
JUERGEN: IT'S
TOO LATE NOW, BRO.

01:10:47.434 --> 01:10:48.800
TWO BECOME ONE.


01:10:48.900 --> 01:10:50.133
TELL YOU WHAT.


01:10:50.233 --> 01:10:51.734
WORK FOR ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS,
AND I'LL THROW LEAH IN, AS WELL.

01:10:51.834 --> 01:10:52.466
LEANNE: RACHEL.


01:10:52.566 --> 01:10:53.233
YEAH.


01:10:53.333 --> 01:10:54.200
JUERGEN: WELL, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY.


01:10:54.300 --> 01:10:55.800
SO YEAH.


01:10:55.900 --> 01:10:57.733
SO IT'S THE 14 YEARS
HE HAS TO WORK,

01:10:57.833 --> 01:11:01.967
BUT GOD USES
IT SO POWERFULLY.

01:11:02.067 --> 01:11:04.000
AND HE DOES THIS WITH
AN UNLOVED WOMAN.

01:11:04.100 --> 01:11:06.867
THESE ARE THE FOUR
LONGINGS OF A WOMAN:

01:11:06.967 --> 01:11:08.267
SHE WANTS TO BE SEEN.


01:11:08.367 --> 01:11:11.067
SHE WANTS TO BE HEARD,
SHE WANTS TO BE ATTACHED,

01:11:11.167 --> 01:11:12.500
AND SHE WANTS TO BE PRAISED.


01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:13.733
AND IT'S IN THAT ORDER.


01:11:13.833 --> 01:11:15.700
SHE HAS TO BE SEEN,
AND THEN HEARD.

01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.600
AND SO WHAT I FOUND,
GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION,

01:11:18.700 --> 01:11:21.200
IT'S,


01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:21.966
YOU SAW HER.


01:11:22.066 --> 01:11:23.200
THAT'S WHY YOU
MARRIED HER.

01:11:23.300 --> 01:11:25.300
YOU SAW LIKE,
WOW, SHE'S HOT.

01:11:25.400 --> 01:11:26.334
I WANT TO BE WITH HER.


01:11:26.434 --> 01:11:27.966
THAT'S THE WOMAN
I WANT TO MARRY.

01:11:28.066 --> 01:11:30.733
NOW, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND,
IT'S NOW SIMEON.

01:11:30.833 --> 01:11:36.700
SHE LONGS TO BE HEARD, AND
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST, I THINK,

01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:38.600
PROBABLY ONE OF THE
BIGGEST CHALLENGES FOR A MAN,

01:11:38.700 --> 01:11:40.434
TO SIT AND LISTEN.


01:11:40.534 --> 01:11:42.800
BECAUSE WOMEN DON'T
TALK SENSICAL.

01:11:42.900 --> 01:11:44.767
MEN ARE LOGICAL. WOMEN,


01:11:44.867 --> 01:11:46.333
WOMEN SPEAK EMOTIONAL.


01:11:46.433 --> 01:11:47.967
THEY SPEAK IN CIRCLES.


01:11:48.067 --> 01:11:49.367
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LET HER.


01:11:49.467 --> 01:11:50.800
AND YOU HAVE TO,


01:11:50.900 --> 01:11:52.767
YOU HAVE TO
PREVENT YOURSELF --

01:11:52.867 --> 01:11:53.400
JONATHAN: ONE OF MY
NICKNAMES FOR HER IS

01:11:53.500 --> 01:11:54.367
RING AROUND THE ROSIE.


01:11:54.467 --> 01:11:55.667
LEANNE: OH, REALLY?


01:11:55.767 --> 01:11:56.533
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:11:56.633 --> 01:11:57.734
LEANNE:
RING AROUND THE ROSIE.

01:11:57.834 --> 01:11:59.233
REBECCA: SO MANY THINGS.
KEEP GOING.

01:11:59.333 --> 01:12:01.367
SO IT IS HARD
BECAUSE MEN ARE LIKE,

01:12:01.467 --> 01:12:02.034
JUST GET TO THE POINT.


01:12:02.134 --> 01:12:02.867
JUERGEN: GET TO THE POINT.


01:12:02.967 --> 01:12:03.600
REBECCA: WOMEN ARE LIKE,


01:12:03.700 --> 01:12:04.600
BRRT.


01:12:04.700 --> 01:12:05.200
JUERGEN: YEAH, BUT


01:12:05.700 --> 01:12:08.533
BUT BUT BUT. THAT'S MEN
BECAUSE WE'RE FIXERS.

01:12:08.633 --> 01:12:10.467
SO GOD PUT ADAM IN
THE GARDEN TO TEND.

01:12:10.567 --> 01:12:12.767
AND THE KEEPER, HE'S
LIKE, WHERE'S THE LEAK?

01:12:12.867 --> 01:12:13.633
WHERE'S THE IRRIGATION?


01:12:13.733 --> 01:12:15.434
WHERE NEEDS PLUMBING?


01:12:15.534 --> 01:12:16.567
WHAT LEAF NEEDS,


01:12:16.667 --> 01:12:17.766
YOU KNOW, WHAT BRANCH
NEEDS PRUNING?

01:12:17.866 --> 01:12:19.967
LIKE, I'M READY TO
GO WITH MY TOOLKIT.

01:12:20.067 --> 01:12:21.133
AND GOD'S LIKE, OH,


01:12:21.233 --> 01:12:23.467
YOU AIN'T EVEN READY
FOR WHAT

01:12:23.567 --> 01:12:25.467
I'M ABOUT TO
BRING YOU, WOMAN.

01:12:25.567 --> 01:12:26.600
AND YOU,


01:12:26.700 --> 01:12:27.600
OH, TRY AND FIX HER.


01:12:27.700 --> 01:12:29.300
THIS EYE IS GOING TO
BE SWOLLEN SHUT.

01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:31.067
AND THIS LIP IS GOING TO BE,
YOU KNOW,

01:12:31.167 --> 01:12:33.234
LIKE SHE DON'T
NEED FIXING, BRO.

01:12:33.334 --> 01:12:34.700
SHE NEEDS LISTENING.


01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:35.934
SHE NEEDS LOVING.


01:12:36.034 --> 01:12:37.200
SHE NEEDS NURTURING.


01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:39.400
SHE AIN'T THERE
FOR YOU TO FIX.

01:12:39.500 --> 01:12:42.467
AND SO WE WANT YOU TO GET TO THE
POINT SO WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM

01:12:42.567 --> 01:12:43.700
AND WE CAN
MOVE ON.

01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:44.733
BUT THAT'S NOT,


01:12:44.833 --> 01:12:48.700
BUT A WOMAN NEEDS TO
BE HEARD TO BE LOVED.

01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:50.834
IF SHE FEELS DISMISSED;


01:12:50.934 --> 01:12:52.233
BABE, JUST GET
TO THE POINT.

01:12:52.333 --> 01:12:55.534
LOOK WHAT'S REAL SIMPLE.


01:12:55.634 --> 01:12:56.666
DON'T TALK TO
SUSAN ANYMORE.

01:12:56.766 --> 01:12:58.900
SHE'S OBVIOUSLY
NOT REALLY.

01:12:59.000 --> 01:12:59.966
AND SO WE WANT TO FIX IT.


01:13:00.066 --> 01:13:02.300
WELL, BABE, NEXT TIME,
YOU CALL THE PLUMBER,

01:13:02.400 --> 01:13:03.900
DON'T WAIT FOR ME
TO COME HOME.

01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:05.166
LOOK HOW BAD
THE LEAK IS NOW.

01:13:05.266 --> 01:13:07.533
SHE DOESN'T WANT
TO BE FIXED.

01:13:07.633 --> 01:13:08.800
SHE WANTS TO
BE LISTENED TO.

01:13:08.900 --> 01:13:10.334
SHE WANTS TO BE HEARD.


01:13:10.434 --> 01:13:14.633
SO YOU KNOW HOW THERE'S
THE FIVE LOVE LANGUAGES?

01:13:14.733 --> 01:13:18.333
SO I TELL ALL OF OUR MEN
THAT THERE ARE FIVE.

01:13:18.433 --> 01:13:18.967
NOT REALLY.


01:13:19.067 --> 01:13:20.100
FOR MEN, THERE ARE TWO.


01:13:20.200 --> 01:13:20.800
TOUCH ME.


01:13:20.900 --> 01:13:21.866
TELL ME I'M AWESOME.


01:13:21.966 --> 01:13:23.867
YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL TOUCH,
WORDS OF AFFIRMATION.

01:13:23.967 --> 01:13:25.700
AND A MAN,


01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:26.534
YOU COULD PUT
HIM ON THE MOON.

01:13:26.634 --> 01:13:27.234
THAT'S ALL HE NEEDS.


01:13:27.334 --> 01:13:28.167
PHYSICAL TOUCH.


01:13:28.267 --> 01:13:29.800
HE COULD SURVIVE
ANYWHERE ON THOSE TWO.

01:13:29.900 --> 01:13:31.267
BUT FOR A WOMAN,


01:13:31.367 --> 01:13:32.934
DON'T BE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT,

01:13:33.034 --> 01:13:34.533
OH, NO, SHE'S, YOU
KNOW, ACTS OF KINDNESS.

01:13:34.633 --> 01:13:36.266
NO, NO, NO.
SHE'S ALL FIVE.

01:13:36.366 --> 01:13:39.700
AND IT CHANGES BY NOT
JUST THE DAY. THE HOUR.

01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:42.467
AND YOU BETTER BE READY
AT WHICH ONE IT IS.

01:13:42.567 --> 01:13:45.367
SO I FOUND THAT FOR HER,


01:13:45.467 --> 01:13:50.200
ONE THAT IS ALWAYS ON THE
RADAR IS QUALITY TIME.

01:13:50.300 --> 01:13:51.000
QUALITY TIME.


01:13:51.100 --> 01:13:52.400
REBECCA: I WOULD
AGREE WITH THAT.

01:13:52.500 --> 01:13:54.134
JUERGEN: BECAUSE QUALITY
TIME MEANS LISTENING.

01:13:54.234 --> 01:13:55.300
REBECCA: YEAH, YEAH.


01:13:55.400 --> 01:13:57.367
JUERGEN: I REALLY
DON'T LIKE QUALITY TIME

01:13:57.467 --> 01:14:00.200
BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A TEE TIME
IN AN HOUR AND I GOTTA,

01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:02.400
OH DEAR GOD,
OH, SHE JUST STARTED,

01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:03.166
OH MY GOD,


01:14:03.266 --> 01:14:04.667
LIKE ABOUT JANICE.


01:14:04.767 --> 01:14:05.933
OH NO, YOU'RE NOT
TALKING ABOUT JANICE.

01:14:06.033 --> 01:14:07.900
OH DEAR GOD, THIS
IS NEVERENDING.

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:09.967
REBECCA: I FEEL LIKE
YOU'RE LIKE UNRAVELING

01:14:10.067 --> 01:14:12.533
LIKE, THIS IS ACTUALLY
VERY POWERFUL TRUTH THOUGH,

01:14:12.633 --> 01:14:13.666
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?


01:14:13.766 --> 01:14:15.533
UNDERSTANDING ESPECIALLY,
I THINK AS YOU HAVE LIKE,

01:14:15.633 --> 01:14:17.933
SMALL KIDS AND NOW MEN
HAVE LESS AND LESS TIME,

01:14:18.033 --> 01:14:20.667
AND MEN LIKE TO GO OUT AND
JUST BE HAVE TO NOT THINK

01:14:20.767 --> 01:14:22.200
ABOUT ANYTHING.


01:14:22.300 --> 01:14:25.067
AND SO THIS IS REQUIRING
ALL THAT BRAINWORK.

01:14:25.167 --> 01:14:26.767
BUT IF MEN CAN DO THAT,
IT WOULD CAUSE

01:14:26.867 --> 01:14:28.667
SUCH BREAKTHROUGH
IN THEIR MARRIAGES.

01:14:28.767 --> 01:14:29.933
JUERGEN: AND IT WOULD.


01:14:30.033 --> 01:14:32.433
AND YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE
HEAD, BECAUSE A LOT OF WOMEN

01:14:32.533 --> 01:14:35.834
WILL THEN NAG
OR BAG THEIR HUSBAND.

01:14:35.934 --> 01:14:38.400
ESPECIALLY IN THAT
SEASON WITH YOUNG KIDS,

01:14:38.500 --> 01:14:39.733
TIME CHALLENGES ON HIM.


01:14:39.833 --> 01:14:41.133
HE DOES NEED TO GO OFF.


01:14:41.233 --> 01:14:43.766
SO WHAT'S MAGNIFICENT
ABOUT HER IS EVEN THOUGH

01:14:43.866 --> 01:14:47.166
SHE'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE, NOT
A BIG FAN, SHE KNOWS I NEED IT.

01:14:47.266 --> 01:14:48.633
SHE'S SO AMAZING.


01:14:48.733 --> 01:14:50.734
SHE'S LIKE, BABE, YOU
NEED TO GO AND PLAY GOLF.

01:14:50.834 --> 01:14:52.433
YOU NEED TO GO
AND HIT BALLS.

01:14:52.533 --> 01:14:54.900
YOU NEED TO GO TO THE DRIVING
RANGE, PUT YOUR EARBUDS IN

01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:55.867
AND HIT BALLS.


01:14:55.967 --> 01:14:56.933
SHE KNOWS THAT.


01:14:57.033 --> 01:15:00.233
ONCE I'VE GOT THAT OUT,
I CAN SIT WITH HER.

01:15:00.333 --> 01:15:03.266
BUT WE START THE DAY WITH
COFFEE EVERY, EVERY DAY.

01:15:03.366 --> 01:15:06.500
SO WE READ OUR BIBLES
AND DO COFFEE EVERY MORNING.

01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:08.167
LEANNE: YEAH, WE DO.


01:15:08.267 --> 01:15:09.267
JUERGEN: AND IT'S A
CARTE BLANCHE THING.

01:15:09.367 --> 01:15:12.267
SO SHE'S NOW BECOME
UNBELIEVABLY BRILLIANT,

01:15:12.367 --> 01:15:15.733
LIKE SO REVERENT IN
THE FACT THAT SHE KNOWS,

01:15:15.833 --> 01:15:17.933
DON'T TALK TO HIM UNTIL HE'S
FINISHED READING HIS BIBLE.

01:15:18.033 --> 01:15:20.166
BUT I WOULD GO IN
THERE WITH HER.

01:15:20.266 --> 01:15:21.900
WHEN SHE TALKS,
I WILL FOLD.

01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:24.166
BUT I THINK, MAYBE I,
BECAUSE I WAS HALFWAY THROUGH,

01:15:24.266 --> 01:15:28.634
YOU KNOW, A VERSE
OR A POINT OR, YOU KNOW.

01:15:28.734 --> 01:15:31.900
BUT SHE HAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE
GOD AND LEANNE,

01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:33.267
IT'S LIKE
GOD AND LEANNE FIRST.

01:15:33.367 --> 01:15:36.600
AND SO SHE CAN TALK ABOUT
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING

01:15:36.700 --> 01:15:38.700
THAT SHE WANTS TO TALK
ABOUT IN THAT TIME.

01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.834
AND SO IT PROBABLY
TAKES ME 20, 25 MINUTES

01:15:40.934 --> 01:15:43.533
BECAUSE I DO A ONE-YEAR BIBLE,
AND IT HAS A DAILY READING.

01:15:43.633 --> 01:15:44.700
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.


01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:45.667
I LOVE


01:15:45.767 --> 01:15:47.667
THAT LAYOUT, THAT PLAN.


01:15:47.767 --> 01:15:48.967
JONATHAN: TODAY, YOU
GOT UP WITH ME.

01:15:49.067 --> 01:15:49.667
THAT WAS FUN.


01:15:49.767 --> 01:15:50.800
REBECCA: YEAH.
SO EARLY.

01:15:50.900 --> 01:15:52.466
JONATHAN: I GOT UP A LITTLE
TOO EARLY FOR HER.

01:15:52.566 --> 01:15:54.000
LEANNE: IT'S HARD WHEN
YOU HAVE LITTLES.

01:15:54.100 --> 01:15:55.100
REBECCA: IT IS.


01:15:55.200 --> 01:15:56.533
LEANNE: EVERYTHING BECOMES A
LITTLE BIT HARDER.

01:15:56.633 --> 01:15:58.034
BOTH: YEAH, YEAH.


01:15:58.134 --> 01:16:00.333
REBECCA: EVERYONE JUST KEEPS
TELLING US, IT'S JUST A SEASON.

01:16:00.433 --> 01:16:02.067
AND SO I'M LIKE, I'M
LIKE, THE OTHER NIGHT,

01:16:02.167 --> 01:16:04.100
I WAS LIKE, I'M JUST GONNA
BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE.

01:16:04.200 --> 01:16:05.833
I LITERALLY LAST NIGHT,


01:16:05.933 --> 01:16:06.934
JONATHAN: I WAS
TALKING TO HER EARLIER.

01:16:07.034 --> 01:16:08.067
REBECCA: BECAUSE
EVERYONE SAYS IT.

01:16:08.167 --> 01:16:10.034
SO I'M LIKE, THESE
PEOPLE ARE TELLING THE TRUTH.

01:16:10.134 --> 01:16:10.633
JONATHAN: AND I WAS LIKE,
WHAT WAS IT LIKE GOING

01:16:10.733 --> 01:16:11.367
FROM 3 TO 4?


01:16:11.467 --> 01:16:12.333
SHOULD WE DO IT?


01:16:12.433 --> 01:16:13.200
BECAUSE WE WERE REALLY
TALKING ABOUT IT.

01:16:13.300 --> 01:16:15.600
AND SHE'S LIKE, DO IT.


01:16:15.700 --> 01:16:16.600
SHE'S LIKE,
GO TO FIVE.

01:16:16.700 --> 01:16:17.800
BOTH: YES.


01:16:17.900 --> 01:16:19.100
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE
WHO LIKE IS IN THE STAGE

01:16:19.200 --> 01:16:19.966
WITH THEIR KIDS ARE OLDER.


01:16:20.066 --> 01:16:22.000
EVERYONE SAYS,
HAVE MORE KIDS.

01:16:22.100 --> 01:16:23.700
LEANNE: WELL, I THINK IT'S HARD
WHEN YOU'RE IN IT, TOO,

01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:24.734
BECAUSE LIFE'S SO BUSY.


01:16:24.834 --> 01:16:26.900
BUT IF YOU CAN JUST
ZOOM OUT AND THINK,

01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:29.334
WHAT DO I WANT MY FAMILY
TO LOOK LIKE

01:16:29.434 --> 01:16:30.300
REBECCA: BIG PICTURE


01:16:30.400 --> 01:16:31.566
LEANNE: IN 15 YEARS.


01:16:31.666 --> 01:16:34.267
AND I THINK I HAVE ONE
REGRET, AND THAT IS THAT

01:16:34.367 --> 01:16:36.500
WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE MORE
AFTER OUR DAUGHTER.

01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:39.333
WE HAD ZOE, AND THEN
I WISH WE HAD ONE MORE,

01:16:39.433 --> 01:16:42.200
BUT I THINK I WAS JUST SO TIRED
AT THE TIME AND EXHAUSTED.

01:16:42.300 --> 01:16:45.300
JUERGEN: AND I PROMISED HER,
BECAUSE WHEN TOMMY WAS BORN,

01:16:45.400 --> 01:16:48.867
AS HE WAS BEING BORN,
SHE'S SCREAMING AT ME,

01:16:48.967 --> 01:16:51.600
PROMISE ME YOU'LL
NEVER DO THIS TO ME AGAIN.

01:16:51.700 --> 01:16:52.666
PROMISE ME.


01:16:52.766 --> 01:16:53.600
I'M LIKE...


01:16:53.700 --> 01:16:54.733
LEANNE: I DON'T THINK
IT WAS THAT BAD.

01:16:54.833 --> 01:16:57.034
I THINK THAT I DON'T
WANT TO HAVE ANY MORE KIDS.

01:16:57.134 --> 01:16:57.967
JONATHAN: IT ALWAYS
FEELS LIKE THAT.

01:16:58.067 --> 01:16:59.400
REBECCA: YES, YES, I'M
SURE IT DOES.

01:16:59.500 --> 01:17:00.967
JUERGEN: BUT THEN ZOE
SLIPPED THROUGH THE GOALPOSTS,

01:17:01.067 --> 01:17:01.967
SO I PROMISE.


01:17:02.067 --> 01:17:04.300
BUT I WAS TWICE BOOKED IN
FOR A VASECTOMY

01:17:04.400 --> 01:17:06.433
AND TWICE
GOT OUT OF IT.

01:17:06.533 --> 01:17:09.233
AND THEN AFTER ZOE, SAID, ALL
RIGHT, I'LL GO AND BE NEUTERED,

01:17:09.333 --> 01:17:11.033
YOU KNOW.


01:17:11.133 --> 01:17:12.233
SO. YEAH.


01:17:12.333 --> 01:17:15.033
SO NOW I LIKE HALLMARK MOVIES
AND I WEAR A CARDIGAN.

01:17:15.133 --> 01:17:17.933
LEANNE: AND DRINK SOY LATTES.


01:17:18.033 --> 01:17:19.233
JUERGEN: SO I STILL KEPT
MY MASCULINITY.

01:17:19.333 --> 01:17:21.334
BUT YEAH, WE DO REGRET.


01:17:21.434 --> 01:17:23.300
WE'RE LIKE, YEAH, WISH
WE COULD HAVE GONE

01:17:23.400 --> 01:17:24.566
ONE MORE.


01:17:24.666 --> 01:17:25.666
LEANNE: SO I THINK IF YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT IT, FOR SURE,

01:17:25.766 --> 01:17:27.033
JUMP IN, HAVE FUN.


01:17:27.133 --> 01:17:27.867
REBECCA: LIFE IS SHORT.


01:17:27.967 --> 01:17:28.800
JUERGEN: LIFE IS SHORT.


01:17:28.900 --> 01:17:30.100
LEANNE: AND THANKSGIVING
WAS SO BEAUTIFUL.

01:17:30.200 --> 01:17:32.767
WE HAD OUR FOUR KIDS,
OUR TWO DAUGHTER-IN-LAWS,

01:17:32.867 --> 01:17:33.800
OUR LITTLE GRANDSON.


01:17:33.900 --> 01:17:35.567
WE'VE GOT TWO MORE
GRANDCHILDREN ON THE WAY.

01:17:35.667 --> 01:17:38.033
AND IT WAS JUST,
IT WAS PERFECT.

01:17:38.133 --> 01:17:40.200
AND NOBODY WAS
AT THE TABLE

01:17:40.300 --> 01:17:42.533
THAT WAS, I WAS THINKING, GOSH,
GEEZ, I WISH I NEVER HAD YOU.

01:17:42.633 --> 01:17:44.300
LIKE, THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN.

01:17:44.400 --> 01:17:48.100
ON THE CONTRARY, I THINK,
IMAGINE IF WE JUST HAD ONE MORE.

01:17:48.200 --> 01:17:50.233
ONE MORE LITTLE GIRL.


01:17:50.333 --> 01:17:51.333
BUT YEAH.


01:17:51.433 --> 01:17:52.400
REBECCA: DO YOU --


01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:53.700
JONATHAN: I WANT TO
DO A PART TWO.

01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:55.767
REBECCA: OKAY, THEN.


01:17:55.867 --> 01:17:56.967
JONATHAN: YOU GUYS PROMISE
TO COME BACK?

01:17:57.067 --> 01:17:58.033
REBECCA: TWO THINGS, THEN.


01:17:58.133 --> 01:17:58.466
TWO.


01:17:58.566 --> 01:17:59.000
TWO THINGS.


01:17:59.100 --> 01:17:59.967
ONE,


01:18:00.067 --> 01:18:01.334
SHOULD WE ASK
THEM ABOUT GOING OUT --

01:18:01.434 --> 01:18:02.233
JONATHAN: LET'S SAVE
THE WHOLE THING,

01:18:02.333 --> 01:18:03.567
DO A WHOLE CALIFORNIA.


01:18:03.667 --> 01:18:05.034
REBECCA: OKAY, THEN THERE'S ONE
QUESTION THAT I WANT TO ASK

01:18:05.134 --> 01:18:08.233
IN CONJUNCTION TO WHAT THEY'RE
SAYING, BECAUSE I'M ONLINE.

01:18:08.333 --> 01:18:09.400
OKAY.


01:18:09.500 --> 01:18:10.466
SO THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT
YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT

01:18:10.566 --> 01:18:13.333
THAT I SEE ONLINE THAT I
WANT YOU TO, AND YOU CAN

01:18:13.433 --> 01:18:14.100
PICK ONE IF YOU WANT.


01:18:14.200 --> 01:18:15.266
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO BOTH.


01:18:15.366 --> 01:18:19.466
ONE IS, ALL THE MAN HATE
ONLINE BECAUSE IT IS LIKE I,

01:18:19.566 --> 01:18:22.066
BECAUSE I'M ON TIKTOK, AND
I JUST, WHAT I SEE FROM WOMEN,

01:18:22.166 --> 01:18:24.300
I'M LIKE, I TOLD JONATHAN,
I WAS LIKE, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW.

01:18:24.400 --> 01:18:25.700
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE
NOT ON IT, BECAUSE IT'S,

01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:26.400
YOU DON'T EVEN SEE IT.


01:18:26.500 --> 01:18:28.000
I WAS LIKE, THEY HATE MEN.


01:18:28.100 --> 01:18:29.667
LIKE EVERY VIDEO I SEE,


01:18:29.767 --> 01:18:32.400
IT'S LIKE THEY JUST THINK MEN
ARE THERE, LIKE MEN ARE TRASH

01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:33.200
AND THEY'RE
NOT WORTH IT.

01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:34.800
AND I'M LIKE,
OH, YOU KNOW.

01:18:34.900 --> 01:18:36.366
AND THEN THE OTHER
THING I SEE IS SO MANY --

01:18:36.466 --> 01:18:38.567
JONATHAN: I DON'T SEE ANY OF
THAT ON MY ALGORITHM.

01:18:38.667 --> 01:18:40.200
BECAUSE MINE ARE JUST
GOLF AND JUJITSU.

01:18:40.300 --> 01:18:41.033
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:18:41.133 --> 01:18:42.400
THE YOUNGER GENERATION.


01:18:42.500 --> 01:18:43.033
JUERGEN: THE MOST
IMPORTANT THINGS.

01:18:43.133 --> 01:18:44.200
HELLO.


01:18:44.300 --> 01:18:45.233
REBECCA: YEAH, I THINK
IT'S THE GENERATION,

01:18:45.333 --> 01:18:46.467
IT'S GEN Z


01:18:46.567 --> 01:18:48.033
AND UNDER THAT I'VE
SEEN THAT FROM,

01:18:48.133 --> 01:18:49.133
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE IT.

01:18:49.233 --> 01:18:50.400
LEANNE: THAT'S SCARY.


01:18:50.500 --> 01:18:51.333
REBECCA: I FEEL LIKE IT'S
LIKE AN EPIDEMIC.

01:18:51.433 --> 01:18:52.900
AND THE OTHER THING
I KEEP SEEING IS,

01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:54.334
SHOULD I EVEN
HAVE ANY KIDS?

01:18:54.434 --> 01:18:55.966
I'M GOING TO BE CHILDLESS.


01:18:56.066 --> 01:18:58.400
SO WHAT WOULD YOUR
RESPONSE TO THAT BE

01:18:58.500 --> 01:19:00.467
TO THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS
THAT ARE LISTENING?

01:19:00.567 --> 01:19:02.100
LEANNE: YEAH, I WOULD SAY,
YOU KNOW,

01:19:02.200 --> 01:19:04.900
LOOK TO A
DIFFERENT SOURCE.

01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:07.866
IF YOU'RE GETTING THE SUM TOTAL
OF YOUR WORLDVIEW

01:19:07.966 --> 01:19:08.900
FROM TIKTOK,
I MEAN,

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.266
THAT'S ALREADY
A REALLY BAD START.

01:19:12.366 --> 01:19:14.933
BUT, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY,
I THINK IT'S SUCH

01:19:15.033 --> 01:19:18.400
AN INSIDIOUS DEMONIC ATTACK,
ESPECIALLY AGAINST MEN

01:19:18.500 --> 01:19:19.466
RIGHT NOW.


01:19:19.566 --> 01:19:21.000
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN
ACTUALLY THE CATALYST

01:19:21.100 --> 01:19:23.566
FOR JUERGEN,
WRITING THE EMERGE BOOK, WAS

01:19:23.666 --> 01:19:25.533
THE ATTACK AGAINST MASCULINITY.


01:19:25.633 --> 01:19:27.133
JUERGEN: TOXIC MASCULINITY.


01:19:27.233 --> 01:19:28.467
SO THAT'S
WHY I WROTE.

01:19:28.567 --> 01:19:30.567
LEANNE: SO IT'S VERY SAD, BUT IT
REALLY IS THE SPIRIT OF THE AGE.

01:19:30.667 --> 01:19:33.567
WHEN YOU READ THE,
OBVIOUSLY, THE BIBLE,

01:19:33.667 --> 01:19:35.766
YOU SEE THAT THAT JEZEBEL-LIKE
ATTACK WILL BE ONE OF

01:19:35.866 --> 01:19:38.534
THE FINAL ATTACKS THAT
THE CHURCH FACES.

01:19:38.634 --> 01:19:41.167
AND IT REALLY COMES TO
SUFFOCATE THE STRENGTH OF MEN.

01:19:41.267 --> 01:19:44.400
AND THE THE WORD
HUSBAND IN HEBREW

01:19:44.500 --> 01:19:46.934
ACTUALLY MEANS
THE STRENGTH OF THE HOUSE.

01:19:47.034 --> 01:19:51.467
SO YOU THINK, HOW CLEVER OF
THE DEVIL TO GO AFTER THE MEN,

01:19:51.567 --> 01:19:52.800
GO AFTER THE
STRENGTH OF THE HOUSE,

01:19:52.900 --> 01:19:54.433
TO BRING THE WHOLE THING
TUMBLING DOWN,

01:19:54.533 --> 01:19:57.334
TO DESTROY THE FAMILY UNIT,
WHICH REALLY IS

01:19:57.434 --> 01:19:59.833
THE BACKBONE OF
A HEALTHY SOCIETY.

01:19:59.933 --> 01:20:01.933
SO I SEE IT FIRST
AS A SATANIC ATTACK.

01:20:02.033 --> 01:20:04.300
AND THE SECOND THING
I SEE IS THE FACT THAT

01:20:04.400 --> 01:20:07.767
THE CHURCH IS NOT SPOKEN INTO
IT WITH THE GREATEST LEVEL

01:20:07.867 --> 01:20:10.033
OF TRUTH AND FOCUS
THAT IT NEEDS TO.

01:20:10.133 --> 01:20:13.467
SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY FOCUSED ON
BUILDING STRONG AND HEALTHY MEN.

01:20:13.567 --> 01:20:14.933
A LOT OF THESE WOMEN THAT
ARE SAYING THE THINGS

01:20:15.033 --> 01:20:17.334
YOU'RE SEEING ON TIKTOK,
THAT'S BEEN THEIR EXPERIENCE,

01:20:17.434 --> 01:20:19.933
WHETHER IT BE WITH
A FATHER WHO WAS ABSENT

01:20:20.033 --> 01:20:24.100
OR A BOYFRIEND OR AN EX-HUSBAND
WHO BETRAYED THEM.

01:20:24.200 --> 01:20:26.300
THEY'RE EXPERIENCING
THESE THINGS WITH MEN

01:20:26.400 --> 01:20:28.400
THAT ARE LEAVING A BAD TASTE
IN THEIR MOUTHS.

01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:30.900
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CHURCH
HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY

01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:35.367
TO RAISE GODLY,
STRONG, VIRTUOUS MEN.

01:20:35.467 --> 01:20:38.067
AND THAT'S WHY WHAT WE'RE DOING
WITH THE EMERGE MEN'S MINISTRY

01:20:38.167 --> 01:20:41.034
AT OUR
CHURCH IS SO SIGNIFICANT,

01:20:41.134 --> 01:20:42.833
BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING
THOSE KINDS OF MEN

01:20:42.933 --> 01:20:45.800
TO BE THE LEADERS OF SOCIETY
AND FAMILY AND CHURCH

01:20:45.900 --> 01:20:48.234
THAT THE NATION
NEEDS TO THRIVE.

01:20:48.334 --> 01:20:50.367
SO WOMEN AREN'T DISAPPOINTED
WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING OUT,

01:20:50.467 --> 01:20:51.933
BUT THEY'RE ENCOURAGED.


01:20:52.033 --> 01:20:53.200
THEY'RE FULL OF HOPE.


01:20:53.300 --> 01:20:54.300
REBECCA: THAT'S POWERFUL.


01:20:54.400 --> 01:20:56.633
LEANNE: BUT THEN ALSO ON
BEHALF OF THE WOMEN, TOO,

01:20:56.733 --> 01:20:59.367
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WOMEN
HAVE TO GRAB AHOLD OF

01:20:59.467 --> 01:21:01.267
WHAT JUERGEN WAS SAYING ABOUT
BEING ENCOURAGERS,

01:21:01.367 --> 01:21:02.500
CALLING OUT THE BEST.


01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:04.900
WHEN YOU SEE THE STORY OF
DEBORAH IN THE BOOK OF JUDGES,

01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.300
SHE CALLED OUT
THE STRENGTH IN BARAK.

01:21:07.400 --> 01:21:10.467
IN A TIME WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS
THE MEN OR THE WARRIORS

01:21:10.567 --> 01:21:13.167
WERE WEAK AND SLOPPY,
THAT'S THE BIBLE'S WORDS.

01:21:13.267 --> 01:21:16.033
SHE CALLED OUT THE WARRIOR
IN BARAK, SHE SAID, ARISE,

01:21:16.133 --> 01:21:20.033
BARAK, SON OF ABINOAM, FOR
GOD HAS GIVEN US VICTORY.

01:21:20.133 --> 01:21:21.867
AND THAT'S THE SAME TACK
WE NEED TO TAKE AS WOMEN.

01:21:21.967 --> 01:21:24.300
LIKE, CALL OUT THE STRENGTH,
CALL OUT THE VIRTUE,

01:21:24.400 --> 01:21:25.533
CALL OUT THE COURAGE.


01:21:25.633 --> 01:21:26.700
CALL OUT WHAT'S GOOD.


01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:28.167
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.


01:21:28.267 --> 01:21:30.600
JUERGEN: SO IF I CAN TIE A BOW
ON THAT, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW,

01:21:30.700 --> 01:21:33.067
THE AUDIENCE LISTENING CAN HAVE
A BIBLICAL REFERENCE,

01:21:33.167 --> 01:21:34.333
BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW,


01:21:34.433 --> 01:21:36.234
SON OF AN ATHEIST
SAVED ON A BEACH.

01:21:36.334 --> 01:21:38.800
SO EVERYTHING I KNOW JUST
CAME FROM THE BIBLE.

01:21:38.900 --> 01:21:45.067
SO YOU CAN ALWAYS ACTUALLY
TELL THE SPIRITUAL BAROMETER

01:21:45.167 --> 01:21:51.300
OF THE WORLD OR THE NATION
BY THE LEVEL OF ATTACK

01:21:51.400 --> 01:21:53.000
OF THE DEVIL.


01:21:53.100 --> 01:21:56.400
SO FOR THE FACT THAT
THE DEVIL IS ATTACKING MAN,

01:21:56.500 --> 01:22:01.866
GENDER, AND CHILDREN, THAT
MEANS HE'S GOT SUCH

01:22:01.966 --> 01:22:06.233
A RISE IN INFLUENCE THAT
HE'S ALL THE WAY IN GENESIS.

01:22:06.333 --> 01:22:08.733
IN GENESIS ONE,
GOD CREATED MAN,

01:22:08.833 --> 01:22:12.800
LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR
IMAGE AND IN OUR LIKENESS.

01:22:12.900 --> 01:22:16.467
SO THAT HATRED OF MEN IS
ACTUALLY A HATRED OF GOD.

01:22:16.567 --> 01:22:19.666
AND THEN CHILDREN ARE,


01:22:19.766 --> 01:22:21.000
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE
WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN.

01:22:21.100 --> 01:22:23.966
GOD SAID TO MAN, BE FRUITFUL,
MULTIPLY, FILL THE EARTH.

01:22:24.033 --> 01:22:26.033
SO YOU'VE GOT TO
RECOGNIZE IT AS SATANIC.

01:22:26.133 --> 01:22:29.034
SO IF YOU FAST FORWARD
A LITTLE BIT IN GENESIS,

01:22:29.134 --> 01:22:31.933
GO FROM GENESIS ONE NOW
TO GENESIS EIGHT.

01:22:32.033 --> 01:22:34.733
THE ARK COMES TO REST ON
THE MOUNTAINS OF ARARAT.

01:22:34.833 --> 01:22:41.534
AND NOAH OPENS A WINDOW, AND
THE FIRST BIRD HE RELEASES

01:22:41.634 --> 01:22:42.733
IS NOT A DOVE.


01:22:42.833 --> 01:22:43.967
DO YOU KNOW WHAT
THE FIRST BIRD IS?

01:22:44.067 --> 01:22:46.733
YEAH, IT'S A CROW OR
A RAVEN, A BLACKBIRD.

01:22:46.833 --> 01:22:48.034
DOES IT COME BACK?


01:22:48.134 --> 01:22:50.934
NO, IT GOES OUT.


01:22:51.034 --> 01:22:54.666
DOESN'T RETURN, HE SHUTS THE
WINDOW, WAITS SEVEN DAYS.

01:22:54.766 --> 01:22:57.000
SEVEN IN SCRIPTURE
IS A COMPLETION.

01:22:57.100 --> 01:22:59.933
AND IT'S A COMPLETION OF AN
ENOCH, A COMPLETION OF A TIME,

01:23:00.033 --> 01:23:01.000
AN EPOCH.


01:23:01.100 --> 01:23:02.667
SEVEN DAYS LATER,


01:23:02.767 --> 01:23:05.800
HE OPENS THE WINDOW AGAIN
AND RELEASES A DOVE.

01:23:05.900 --> 01:23:08.267
THE DOVE COULD FIND
NO PLACE TO REST HER FOOT,

01:23:08.367 --> 01:23:09.767
AND RETURNS TO NOAH.


01:23:09.867 --> 01:23:11.934
HE BRINGS HER IN, WAITS
ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS.

01:23:12.034 --> 01:23:13.434
IT'S ANOTHER EPOCH.


01:23:13.534 --> 01:23:14.400
LEANNE: SEVEN DAYS.


01:23:14.500 --> 01:23:14.866
JUERGEN: EXCUSE ME.


01:23:14.966 --> 01:23:15.967
SEVEN DAYS.


01:23:16.067 --> 01:23:17.000
OPENS A WINDOW.


01:23:17.100 --> 01:23:19.467
SHE GOES OUT AGAIN
AND THIS TIME SHE RETURNS

01:23:19.567 --> 01:23:22.034
WITH AN OLIVE BRANCH
IN HER MOUTH.

01:23:22.134 --> 01:23:25.067
THEN HE KNOWS THAT
THE WATERS HAVE ABATED

01:23:25.167 --> 01:23:26.300
AND THERE'S NOW PEACE.


01:23:26.400 --> 01:23:28.800
THE OLIVE BRANCH STILL TO
THIS DAY IS A SYMBOL OF PEACE.

01:23:28.900 --> 01:23:32.200
HE WAITS ANOTHER SEVEN
DAYS, ANOTHER EPOCH,

01:23:32.300 --> 01:23:35.267
AND THEN HE OPENS THE WINDOW
AND RELEASES THE DOVE,

01:23:35.367 --> 01:23:36.767
AND SHE RETURNS
TO HIM NO MORE.

01:23:36.867 --> 01:23:38.033
AND THEN THEY GO
OUT OF THE ARK.

01:23:38.133 --> 01:23:40.200
SO YOU'RE LIKE, GOD,
WHAT A DUMB STORY.

01:23:40.300 --> 01:23:42.200
JONATHAN: I LOVE THAT STORY.


01:23:42.300 --> 01:23:45.000
JUERGEN: YEAH, BUT WHY
WOULD GOD PUT IT IN THERE?

01:23:45.100 --> 01:23:47.034
AND YOU PROBABLY ALREADY
KNOW BECAUSE GOD IS

01:23:47.134 --> 01:23:52.333
SHOWING THE FOUR STAGES,
AND FOUR IS ALWAYS GOD.

01:23:52.433 --> 01:23:54.000
IT'S ALWAYS GOD'S
SOVEREIGNTY; THE FOUR WINDS,

01:23:54.100 --> 01:23:55.800
THE FOUR CORNERS.
FOUR.

01:23:55.900 --> 01:23:58.734
THE FIRST ONE RELEASED
WAS THE RAVEN.

01:23:58.834 --> 01:24:02.967
SO IN GENESIS 1:2, IT SAYS,
THE EARTH WAS FORMLESS, VOID.

01:24:03.067 --> 01:24:04.900
DARKNESS COVERED THE
FACE OF THE DEEP.

01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:09.667
THE SEPTUAGINT IS THE
GREEK TRANSLATION OF THE HEBREW.

01:24:09.767 --> 01:24:14.333
SO TOHUBOHU, CHAOS AND DISORDER
IN THE SEPTUAGINT

01:24:14.433 --> 01:24:17.800
IS TRANSLATED ABYSSUS.


01:24:17.900 --> 01:24:21.666
IN REVELATION 20, IT SAYS, AND
I SAW A GREAT ANGEL COMING DOWN,

01:24:21.766 --> 01:24:25.700
HAVING THE KEY
TO THE ABYSSUS.

01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:28.433
SO WHERE SATAN WAS BOUND
FOR A THOUSAND YEARS.

01:24:28.533 --> 01:24:30.733
SO SATAN WAS ORIGINALLY
CAST OUT OF HEAVEN.

01:24:30.833 --> 01:24:32.900
HEAVEN ORIGINALLY
WAS A PRISON.

01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:35.666
EARTH WAS ORIGINALLY
A PRISON PLANET.

01:24:35.766 --> 01:24:38.733
THAT GOD THEN BUILT
AROUND THE PRISON.

01:24:38.833 --> 01:24:41.633
THAT'S WHY ADAM WAS MEANT
TO HAVE DOMINION AND OVERTHROW.

01:24:41.733 --> 01:24:44.500
SO THE FIRST SPIRIT THAT
WAS CAST INTO THE EARTH,

01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:46.000
THAT IS PRODUCING
A HARVEST,

01:24:46.100 --> 01:24:48.800
IF YOU THINK OF SATAN
AS A SEED, THAT'S WHY

01:24:48.900 --> 01:24:52.033
LET EVERYTHING GROW TO THE
HARVEST OF THE END OF THE AGE.

01:24:52.133 --> 01:24:54.867
AND THE ANGELS WILL COME
WITH THEIR SICKLES.

01:24:54.967 --> 01:24:55.734
SONS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.


01:24:55.834 --> 01:24:57.000
SONS OF WICKEDNESS.


01:24:57.100 --> 01:25:00.767
SO THE FIRST SPIRIT THAT
WAS RELEASED IS THE RAVEN,

01:25:00.867 --> 01:25:04.034
IS THE SATANIC SPIRITS, THE
FIRST SPIRIT THAT IS RELEASED.

01:25:04.134 --> 01:25:08.266
THE DOVE IS SENT, BUT
HE CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE TO LAND

01:25:08.366 --> 01:25:10.367
BECAUSE JUDGMENT
WAS STILL ON THE EARTH.

01:25:10.467 --> 01:25:12.600
SO HE WOULD
COME UPON PEOPLE.

01:25:12.700 --> 01:25:15.100
BUT JESUS SAID THERE WAS A
PROMISE THAT THE TIME WILL COME,

01:25:15.200 --> 01:25:18.167
AND IT COULD ONLY HAPPEN
ONCE OUR SINS WERE ATONED FOR.

01:25:18.267 --> 01:25:21.100
OLIVE BRANCH WHERE THE
HOLY SPIRIT COULD NOW COME

01:25:21.200 --> 01:25:22.633
AND DWELL WITH US.


01:25:22.733 --> 01:25:25.366
SO WE'RE NOW IN THE
AGE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

01:25:25.466 --> 01:25:28.400
SO, YOU KNOW, THE
THIRD ONE WAS THE BRANCH,

01:25:28.500 --> 01:25:30.966
THE OLIVE BRANCH, BECAUSE
JESUS CHRIST WOULD BRING

01:25:31.066 --> 01:25:34.167
PEACE ON EARTH, GOODWILL
FROM GOD, PEACE ON EARTH

01:25:34.267 --> 01:25:35.833
TOWARD ALL MANKIND.


01:25:35.933 --> 01:25:38.533
AND THEN THE LAST STAGE
WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT

01:25:38.633 --> 01:25:42.133
WOULD NOT RETURN
UNTIL THE END OF THE AGE,

01:25:42.233 --> 01:25:43.700
SO HE WOULD
BE WITH US.

01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:47.500
BUT THE TWO BIRDS THAT
WERE NOW IN THE EARTH

01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:50.867
WAS THE RAVEN AND THE DOVE.
THE RAVEN AND THE DOVE.

01:25:50.967 --> 01:25:53.333
SO IT'S THE DEVIL,
IT'S SATAN.

01:25:53.433 --> 01:25:55.734
AND THAT'S WHERE
JUDAISM MISSES IT.

01:25:55.834 --> 01:25:58.200
JUDAISM CALL HIM HASATAN.


01:25:58.300 --> 01:25:59.367
THEY CALL HIM THE SATAN.


01:25:59.467 --> 01:26:01.067
HE'S LITTLE, HE'S
INSIGNIFICANT.

01:26:01.167 --> 01:26:02.733
BUT IF YOU READ
THE NEW TESTAMENT,

01:26:02.833 --> 01:26:04.200
IF YOU READ
WHAT JESUS DID,

01:26:04.300 --> 01:26:06.566
JESUS CAME TO EXPOSE.


01:26:06.666 --> 01:26:08.833
SO AGAIN, JESUS
IS THE WORD.

01:26:08.933 --> 01:26:11.267
GENESIS 1:3,
GOD SAID,

01:26:11.367 --> 01:26:12.733
IT'S THE
INTRODUCTION OF THE WORD.

01:26:12.833 --> 01:26:13.900
IT'S YESHUA.


01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.066
GOD SAID, LET THERE BE
LIGHT, AND THERE WAS LIGHT.

01:26:16.166 --> 01:26:17.933
JESUS SAID, I AM
THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.

01:26:18.033 --> 01:26:20.266
NOW, WE HEAR THIS
AS GREAT PREACHING.

01:26:20.366 --> 01:26:22.234
IT'S NOT BIBLICAL, BUT
IT'S GREAT PREACHING.

01:26:22.334 --> 01:26:24.567
AND WHEN THE LIGHT CAME,
THE DARKNESS FLED.

01:26:24.667 --> 01:26:26.600
WHEN THE LIGHT CAME
ON, THE DARKNESS LEFT.

01:26:26.700 --> 01:26:28.100
THAT'S NOT WHAT
THE BIBLE SAYS.

01:26:28.200 --> 01:26:30.333
THE NEXT VERSE, VERSE
FOUR, SAYS, AND THEN GOD

01:26:30.433 --> 01:26:34.867
SEPARATED THE DARKNESS
FROM THE LIGHT.

01:26:34.967 --> 01:26:37.133
THE LIGHT HE CALLED DAY,
THE DARKNESS HE CALLED NIGHT.

01:26:37.233 --> 01:26:38.666
IN OTHER WORDS,
WHEN LIGHT CAME,

01:26:38.766 --> 01:26:41.233
THERE WAS A MIX OF
DARKNESS AND LIGHT,

01:26:41.333 --> 01:26:43.400
BUT ONLY THROUGH
THE RELEASING OF THE WORD

01:26:43.500 --> 01:26:47.233
CAN WE SEPARATE
DARKNESS FROM LIGHT.

01:26:47.333 --> 01:26:50.133
AND SO WE LIVE IN THAT AGE
WHERE THE WORD HAS COME

01:26:50.233 --> 01:26:54.667
TO HELP US TO SEPARATE
DARKNESS FROM LIGHT.

01:26:54.767 --> 01:26:58.534
AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
CAUGHT UP IN MAN-HATING

01:26:58.634 --> 01:27:01.300
AND WE'RE NOT SURE
WE WANT TO HAVE BABIES

01:27:01.400 --> 01:27:04.466
AND A PERSON CAN CHANGE THEIR
GENDER JUST BY PRETENDING

01:27:04.566 --> 01:27:06.466
THAT THEY WERE BORN IN THE
WRONG BODY, OR PRETENDING

01:27:06.566 --> 01:27:08.866
OR IDENTIFYING AS
SOMETHING ELSE,

01:27:08.966 --> 01:27:11.167
ALL OF THAT WE KNOW IS
AN ATTACK ON GENESIS.

01:27:11.267 --> 01:27:13.800
AND UNLESS THE CHURCH
PREACHES THE WORD,

01:27:13.900 --> 01:27:16.800
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO
SEPARATE DARKNESS FROM LIGHT.

01:27:16.900 --> 01:27:18.634
AND SO WE HAVE
TO SPEAK UP.

01:27:18.734 --> 01:27:20.100
AND THAT'S WHAT
LEANNE WAS SAYING.

01:27:20.200 --> 01:27:22.734
GET YOUR GET YOUR INFORMATION
FROM THE SCRIPTURES.

01:27:22.834 --> 01:27:23.734
THE SCRIPTURES HAVE


01:27:23.834 --> 01:27:25.600
BEEN THERE,
DONE THAT, SEEN THAT.

01:27:25.700 --> 01:27:27.100
THE BIBLE WILL
OPEN YOUR EYES.

01:27:27.200 --> 01:27:29.900
GOD MADE MAN IN
HIS IMAGE AND HIS LIKENESS,

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.766
AND MALE AND FEMALE


01:27:31.866 --> 01:27:35.734
HE CREATED THEM AND HE
BLESSED THEM, NOT HIM,

01:27:35.834 --> 01:27:38.433
THEM, AND SAID, BE
FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY.

01:27:38.533 --> 01:27:40.667
SHE IS NOT MY INFERIOR.


01:27:40.767 --> 01:27:42.266
SHE IS NOT MY SUBORDINATE.


01:27:42.366 --> 01:27:47.200
GOD SAYS, I WILL MAKE HER
HELPER, COMPATIBLE TO HIM.

01:27:47.300 --> 01:27:49.567
SHE'S MY
COMPLEMENTARY.

01:27:49.667 --> 01:27:51.333
SHE'S MY COMPLETION.


01:27:51.433 --> 01:27:57.033
SHE'S MY, I'M NOT
DOMINEERING OF HER.

01:27:57.133 --> 01:27:58.533
I'M RELEASING OF HER.


01:27:58.633 --> 01:28:00.800
MY JOB IS TO SERVE HER.


01:28:00.900 --> 01:28:02.967
MY JOB IS TO HONOR HER.


01:28:03.067 --> 01:28:05.000
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?


01:28:05.100 --> 01:28:06.600
BUT THAT'S BIBLICAL.


01:28:06.700 --> 01:28:08.067
JONATHAN: I'M SO GLAD YOU
ASKED THAT QUESTION.

01:28:08.167 --> 01:28:09.800
REBECCA: THANK YOU.


01:28:09.900 --> 01:28:12.300
WELL, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A
GOOD PLACE THAT WE CAN WRAP IT.

01:28:12.400 --> 01:28:14.967
NOW, WHY DON'T
YOU INTRO US OUT?

01:28:15.067 --> 01:28:16.233
JONATHAN: WHAT, YOU WANT
ME TO DO THE PRAYER?

01:28:16.333 --> 01:28:17.834
YOU WANT ME TO
DO THE INTRO OUT?

01:28:17.934 --> 01:28:19.067
REBECCA: NO, JUST...


01:28:19.167 --> 01:28:20.333
JONATHAN: WELL, I JUST WANT TO
SAY THANKS FOR COMING ON.

01:28:20.433 --> 01:28:23.167
I DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE
YOU GUYS BACK AND DO PART TWO.

01:28:23.267 --> 01:28:25.200
WE'LL PICK UP
IN NEW ZEALAND.

01:28:25.300 --> 01:28:26.567
LEANNE: GREAT.


01:28:26.667 --> 01:28:28.000
JONATHAN: AND I WANT TO GO INTO
HOW YOU'RE CALLED TO AMERICA.

01:28:28.100 --> 01:28:30.933
WHY YOU WERE CALLED AMERICA,
HOW GOD SPOKE THAT TO YOU,

01:28:31.033 --> 01:28:34.034
AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE
CHURCHES AND THE LOCATIONS

01:28:34.134 --> 01:28:35.400
AND ALL THAT STUFF.


01:28:35.500 --> 01:28:37.234
AND BY THEN, I'LL HAVE FINISHED
YOUR BOOK BECAUSE I'M THROUGH.

01:28:37.334 --> 01:28:39.500
I'M THROUGH THE
BEGINNING OF CHAPTER ONE.

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IT'S GREAT.


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JUERGEN: GOOD.


01:28:40.566 --> 01:28:41.100
OKAY, GOOD.


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JONATHAN: I LOVED IT.


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SO THANK YOU GUYS.


01:28:42.733 --> 01:28:43.434
JUERGEN: MY PLEASURE.


01:28:43.534 --> 01:28:43.933
LEANNE: THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR

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HAVING US.


01:28:45.100 --> 01:28:45.900
JUERGEN: SO GREAT TO BE WITH
YOU GUYS AGAIN.

01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:47.100
REBECCA: YEAH.


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AND FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
GET CONNECTED TO YOU GUYS,

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HOW DO THEY DO THAT?


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LEANNE: AWAKENCHURCH.COM,


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AND IT'LL TELL YOU
EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW.

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WE HAVE INSTAGRAM.


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AGAIN, IT'S
@AWAKENCHURCH.

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SO YEAH, WE'RE READY TO RECEIVE
ALL THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE

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THAT DAYSTAR SENDS.


01:29:02.633 --> 01:29:03.333
YEAH.


01:29:03.433 --> 01:29:03.900
REBECCA: AWESOME.


01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:04.733
JUERGEN: YEAH.


01:29:04.833 --> 01:29:06.267
AND OUR NAMES ARE
PRETTY UNIQUE.

01:29:06.367 --> 01:29:08.200
SO IF YOU JUST DO A GOOGLE
SEARCH, IT BRINGS UP

01:29:08.300 --> 01:29:11.100
ALL OF OUR
SOCIAL MEDIA.

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LEANNE: WE'RE NOT HARD TO FIND.


01:29:12.200 --> 01:29:13.567
JUERGEN: WITH MATTHESIUS,
YEAH.

01:29:13.667 --> 01:29:14.667
REBECCA: WELL, THANK
YOU BOTH SO MUCH.

01:29:14.767 --> 01:29:15.434
JUERGEN: THANK YOU.


01:29:15.534 --> 01:29:16.233
LEANNE:
THANK YOU, REBECCA.

01:29:16.333 --> 01:29:17.600
JUERGEN: IT'S AN HONOR.