WEBVTT 00:00.271 --> 00:03.031 We are going to go into a time of a territory war, 00:03.031 --> 00:06.631 a time of collision, and the valley of decision is 2026. 00:06.631 --> 00:08.791 It's the 250th year of America. 00:08.791 --> 00:10.291 And then there's the midterms. 00:10.291 --> 00:11.511 You know, if we get into the midterms 00:11.511 --> 00:13.231 and we don't see victory there, 00:13.231 --> 00:16.311 we're going to see a preview of what's to come in 2028. 00:16.311 --> 00:17.371 I had a vision the other day 00:17.371 --> 00:19.231 while I was driving regarding this. 00:19.231 --> 00:22.631 And what I saw was a giant viper that went up, 00:22.631 --> 00:24.431 a very big, like, cobra. 00:24.431 --> 00:25.991 And I saw this big viper coming up, 00:25.991 --> 00:28.631 and it represented 2026 and beyond. 00:28.634 --> 00:31.654 And I heard the words, I am unleashing the mongoose. 00:32.034 --> 00:34.994 I'm unleashing a mongoose on the viper. 00:35.174 --> 00:39.214 And then I learned that mongoose are immune to snake venom. 00:39.354 --> 00:42.114 And the Lord is saying, if we'll stay the course with him 00:42.114 --> 00:44.934 and we won't get distracted in our assignment or calling, 00:45.294 --> 00:48.034 that this mongoose anointing will go at the viper. 00:48.034 --> 00:52.234 And the venom that comes back as a response will not harm you. 01:02.738 --> 01:05.818 Hey guys, I'm back with Joseph Z. 01:06.138 --> 01:07.558 Hey, good to be with you, Rebecca. 01:07.778 --> 01:09.478 I don't know, like, what episode is this? 01:09.638 --> 01:10.237 I don't know. 01:10.238 --> 01:11.957 Do you know, Fi? 01:11.958 --> 01:13.738 She's not used to me talking to her off camera. 01:14.278 --> 01:17.858 Is this, no, but this is like, have we done three episodes with him? 01:18.298 --> 01:19.197 Three, maybe four. 01:19.198 --> 01:19.777 No, four. 01:19.778 --> 01:20.557 We've done four. 01:20.558 --> 01:22.338 Yeah, with Brian and Jonathan. 01:22.498 --> 01:23.377 Uh-huh, that's right. 01:23.378 --> 01:23.797 The stallions. 01:23.798 --> 01:26.018 That's right, the wild stallions. 01:26.638 --> 01:27.638 Everyone's going to be like, what? 01:27.758 --> 01:29.418 And together we are... 01:29.418 --> 01:32.418 Okay, but we were having a good conversation off camera 01:32.418 --> 01:34.638 talking about, because I was talking about, 01:34.738 --> 01:35.818 I interviewed Greg DeVries 01:35.818 --> 01:37.858 and he was talking about prophetic evangelism. 01:38.018 --> 01:39.298 And we were like, I'm awful at that. 01:39.698 --> 01:41.078 And I was like, you know what? 01:41.098 --> 01:42.178 That's such a good word though, 01:42.198 --> 01:43.898 because I remember like even years ago, 01:43.978 --> 01:46.018 people would come on here and I'd be like, 01:46.158 --> 01:48.438 I don't think I can do what they do. 01:48.498 --> 01:51.458 And I don't think, we're not supposed to be exactly 01:51.458 --> 01:52.558 like anyone else. 01:52.738 --> 01:55.658 We all have different callings and talents and abilities. 01:55.658 --> 01:58.378 And I think that's a mistake people make early on in ministry. 01:58.662 --> 01:59.921 I think that's correct. 01:59.922 --> 02:02.502 Prophetic evangelism, I can do it. 02:02.582 --> 02:04.442 But the premise of that is you go out 02:04.442 --> 02:06.242 and you prophesy to somebody 02:06.242 --> 02:08.662 or you tell them things that are shocking about their life 02:08.662 --> 02:10.302 if you have a gift of prophecy. 02:10.882 --> 02:12.862 And I've done that so many times 02:12.862 --> 02:15.022 and the outcome is usually really awkward. 02:15.462 --> 02:18.002 Like I was in a drive-through window one time 02:18.001 --> 02:20.401 and there was a guy in the window. 02:20.401 --> 02:23.161 And I was like, hey, he's like, hey, I said, so, 02:23.161 --> 02:25.601 and I'm thinking, well, I'll win this guy over. 02:25.601 --> 02:27.361 I looked at him and I said, so your sister? 02:27.361 --> 02:28.340 And he's like, yeah. 02:28.341 --> 02:30.041 I said, she's majoring in this in college. 02:30.041 --> 02:30.860 She's doing that. 02:30.861 --> 02:31.840 She's going to all these things. 02:31.841 --> 02:34.781 And you know, and that guy she was just with, 02:34.781 --> 02:35.781 yeah, that didn't work out, 02:35.781 --> 02:37.041 but you know, the next one's gonna be good. 02:37.041 --> 02:38.601 I just wanted all these things. 02:38.601 --> 02:39.440 He's like, cool, cool. 02:39.441 --> 02:40.260 Yeah, that's true. 02:40.261 --> 02:41.100 Yeah, yeah. 02:41.101 --> 02:43.901 And then he's like, so do you know my sister? 02:43.901 --> 02:45.621 And I was like, no. 02:45.608 --> 02:48.968 And he's like, oh, I said, but you need to get saved. 02:48.968 --> 02:50.548 And it just was awkward. 02:50.548 --> 02:53.608 And so I just moved on from it and all that. 02:53.608 --> 02:55.728 But every time I've ministered or prophesied to people, 02:55.728 --> 02:57.388 usually it comes, you know, 02:57.388 --> 02:59.968 we were just at the airport when we came here. 02:59.968 --> 03:02.608 And in the airport, a guy walked past me. 03:02.618 --> 03:06.238 And two times he walked past me, and I knew I was supposed to tell him some stuff. 03:06.818 --> 03:11.038 And so we finally ran him down in the parking lot, and he lived. 03:11.378 --> 03:14.938 No, but we actually got to him in the parking lot, rolled the window down. 03:15.218 --> 03:17.012 I said, hey, man. 03:17.013 --> 03:19.173 God's saying this, this, and this about you. 03:19.173 --> 03:20.773 And he completely freaked out. 03:20.773 --> 03:22.193 It was really accurate stuff. 03:22.193 --> 03:24.253 And those things happen all the time. 03:24.253 --> 03:26.233 And so it was very accurate, very powerful. 03:26.233 --> 03:28.093 But I've found that unless I'm in a place 03:28.093 --> 03:29.773 to really lead them to Jesus, 03:29.773 --> 03:32.793 it's just kind of giving them data that does help them. 03:32.793 --> 03:35.373 But it's the evangelism part that I've, 03:35.373 --> 03:37.053 I don't know, maybe it's just my form. 03:37.053 --> 03:38.953 I was in a meeting one time and I called a guy out 03:38.953 --> 03:40.713 because the Lord said, that man right there, 03:40.713 --> 03:43.393 he's a Satanist, he's here cursing your meeting. 03:43.405 --> 03:45.605 And I looked at this guy and I looked at him 03:45.605 --> 03:47.205 and he was just a normal looking guy, 03:47.205 --> 03:49.405 like khaki pants hanging out. 03:49.405 --> 03:50.405 And the Holy Spirit said, 03:50.405 --> 03:52.245 yeah, you tell that man he's a Satanist. 03:52.245 --> 03:53.285 I'm like, really Lord? 03:53.285 --> 03:55.885 And I looked at him, I said, you there? 03:55.885 --> 03:57.045 He's like, yeah. 03:57.045 --> 03:58.285 I said, you're a Satanist. 03:58.285 --> 04:00.465 He's like, I am. 04:00.465 --> 04:03.885 And I said, you came here to challenge the power of God. 04:03.892 --> 04:05.592 And he's like, mm-hmm. 04:05.592 --> 04:08.132 And I said, well, your God's a loser, 04:08.132 --> 04:10.012 and my God is the king of the world. 04:10.012 --> 04:12.232 And if you realize that you're already defeated 04:12.232 --> 04:14.892 in this conversation, stand up and repent. 04:14.892 --> 04:16.972 And so he did, he stood up and repented. 04:16.972 --> 04:20.232 And I basically said, or you're gonna go to hell, you know? 04:20.232 --> 04:21.932 But he got saved in the meeting, so that was good. 04:21.932 --> 04:23.132 I guess that's a win. 04:23.132 --> 04:24.292 Rebecca, that's a win. 04:24.293 --> 04:26.933 Well, I think it's the results. 04:27.293 --> 04:30.753 You know, it's like you are faithful in doing what God's told you to do. 04:30.873 --> 04:33.293 And then ultimately it's up to that person's own will. 04:33.353 --> 04:34.092 I think so, yeah. 04:34.093 --> 04:34.992 To choose or not to choose. 04:34.993 --> 04:39.033 But even if they don't react well, because with my times of operating the prophetic, 04:39.373 --> 04:42.393 I used to be so excited and I was like, this is going to be great. 04:42.453 --> 04:45.653 And I got some really weird or not so positive responses. 04:45.853 --> 04:48.233 And then I learned, oh, it's not always like... 04:48.233 --> 04:48.432 Yeah. 04:48.433 --> 04:49.753 But... 04:49.758 --> 04:52.838 God can use that and plant seeds. 04:52.838 --> 04:55.638 And they can might do something even down the line. 04:55.638 --> 04:58.018 So people shouldn't be discouraged. 04:58.018 --> 04:59.138 Have you ever felt like, 04:59.138 --> 05:00.358 was there ever a time in your life 05:00.358 --> 05:01.778 where you were kind of struggling, 05:01.778 --> 05:03.238 like God would give you a word for someone 05:03.238 --> 05:05.158 and you're just like, oh, I don't wanna do this. 05:05.158 --> 05:08.498 And you ever felt like God kind of lift off of you? 05:08.843 --> 05:11.263 I've had that happen for sure. 05:11.263 --> 05:15.463 By nature, I actually don't like jumping out and talking 05:15.463 --> 05:16.523 to people and all that stuff. 05:16.523 --> 05:17.022 Really? 05:17.023 --> 05:17.782 I don't, yeah. 05:17.783 --> 05:19.023 You're so friendly, though. 05:19.023 --> 05:20.183 I'm very friendly. 05:20.183 --> 05:21.943 But both sides of me, there's a side 05:21.943 --> 05:24.103 where I would love to just go live in the mountains 05:24.103 --> 05:25.123 and disappear forever. 05:25.123 --> 05:28.303 And then there's the other side where when I'm with people 05:28.303 --> 05:31.643 and I feel that Holy Ghost unction or good chemistry 05:31.643 --> 05:35.163 with people, you kind of come alive and that's good. 05:35.168 --> 05:37.448 But yeah, when God speaks to people 05:37.448 --> 05:39.408 or he speaks to me about people, 05:39.408 --> 05:42.308 there's been times that I've definitely hesitated too long 05:42.308 --> 05:43.807 and then it lifts. 05:43.808 --> 05:45.348 And I think, okay, there's an example 05:45.348 --> 05:48.648 and this is not a positive ending in the story, 05:48.808 --> 05:51.488 but there was somebody that was... 05:51.487 --> 05:53.647 was sick a long ways away. 05:53.647 --> 05:56.527 And the Lord spoke to me, or I felt He spoke to me. 05:56.527 --> 05:59.987 And I was so tired that I almost wasn't sure. 05:59.987 --> 06:01.647 But He said, I need you to go there. 06:01.647 --> 06:02.987 I need you to lay hands on them. 06:02.987 --> 06:04.067 And this was states away. 06:04.067 --> 06:07.027 And we'd have to travel there from this trip I was on. 06:07.027 --> 06:07.866 I'd have to reroute. 06:07.867 --> 06:09.447 I'd have to do everything. 06:09.447 --> 06:11.827 And I just, I was just like, well, 06:13.036 --> 06:16.136 I'll do it, but I need to go rest first, and then I'm going to go. 06:16.376 --> 06:16.995 Yeah. 06:16.996 --> 06:21.656 And so I made it home and rested, and I thought, okay, Lord, I heard you. 06:21.736 --> 06:22.896 Let me figure this out. 06:23.196 --> 06:26.716 Instead of just diverting and going, and they died. 06:27.768 --> 06:28.768 They died. 06:28.768 --> 06:31.068 And it impacted me. 06:31.068 --> 06:34.708 It impacted me so much because I knew I had something 06:34.708 --> 06:36.868 for them and I missed the timing of it. 06:36.868 --> 06:39.348 I just didn't hear accurately. 06:39.348 --> 06:43.048 And I knew that they weren't supposed to die. 06:43.040 --> 06:49.660 And so I've had a few moments like that where when God speaks, I've learned to temper that better. 06:49.920 --> 06:53.440 And when he says something to me to execute it and learn that timing. 06:53.700 --> 06:57.280 But anyway, I just thought I'd share, you know, and God has grace for those things. 06:57.500 --> 06:59.080 But boy, I don't like missing it. 06:59.965 --> 07:02.645 I actually, there was an evangelist from Kenya 07:02.645 --> 07:05.405 and there was a story where someone died in the meeting 07:05.405 --> 07:08.865 and God spoke to the evangelist 07:08.865 --> 07:12.105 to something kind of similar and they missed it. 07:12.165 --> 07:14.965 And when that person passed, it totally affected them. 07:15.005 --> 07:16.665 And it's like, I don't think they ever made that mistake 07:16.665 --> 07:18.505 because it will mark you so much. 07:18.505 --> 07:20.205 But I appreciate your vulnerability 07:20.205 --> 07:22.665 and just your transparency because people can learn. 07:23.219 --> 07:23.878 From that? 07:23.879 --> 07:24.238 Yeah. 07:24.239 --> 07:26.459 And the learning from it is God loves us, all that. 07:26.519 --> 07:29.559 And it wasn't so dramatic like, go now. 07:29.779 --> 07:39.519 But it was that subtle, still, small voice that if I would have been listening more intently and not maybe so tired and all that, I probably would have said, the Lord is really speaking to me. 07:39.539 --> 07:40.378 I need to do this. 07:40.379 --> 07:44.899 But I thought, I'll give it a minute, make sure I'm good, and then we'll go. 07:45.159 --> 07:45.561 Yeah. 07:45.562 --> 07:48.262 And sometimes the answer is you go right now. 07:48.682 --> 07:51.202 I just, you know, I guess I share that. 07:51.322 --> 07:53.062 And if anybody's ever had those kinds of experiences 07:53.062 --> 07:55.442 or you go down those roads, God loves us. 07:55.642 --> 07:56.501 He's good. 07:56.502 --> 07:57.481 We learn from it. 07:57.482 --> 07:59.262 And you almost have to forgive yourself 07:59.262 --> 08:00.522 when you have those kinds of moments 08:00.522 --> 08:03.302 because then you've got to keep moving forward. 08:03.302 --> 08:06.642 But it does help mark you and temper you 08:06.642 --> 08:08.222 to really make sure you're obeying God. 08:08.798 --> 08:12.258 Yeah, and it's kind of interesting because I think about the times in my life 08:12.258 --> 08:14.478 where God spoke to me in that still small voice, 08:14.538 --> 08:16.958 but it was such a big impact and outcome. 08:17.178 --> 08:17.617 Yes. 08:17.618 --> 08:19.078 And I'm like, what if I hadn't obeyed? 08:19.098 --> 08:19.517 I know. 08:19.518 --> 08:22.398 And I'm like, why is it the still small voice sometimes for these big things? 08:22.578 --> 08:22.877 I know. 08:22.878 --> 08:24.558 Because God can also be really strong. 08:24.678 --> 08:25.318 Oh, He can. 08:25.319 --> 08:26.979 But I know that's a good word. 08:27.119 --> 08:30.459 And I, in the past, God will speak to me and I've rationalized it. 08:30.459 --> 08:31.899 And I'm like, no, it's okay. 08:31.999 --> 08:32.978 It's fine. 08:32.979 --> 08:35.339 You know, and then I learned, I was like, no, I should have listened. 08:35.479 --> 08:37.559 And I'm like, why am I trying to rationalize what God's like? 08:37.559 --> 08:39.899 I feel like I can like debate with him or like. 08:40.321 --> 08:41.681 We're like, no, no, this is better. 08:41.901 --> 08:43.421 You know, I'm like, why do I think that? 08:43.561 --> 08:45.421 You know, so we all have moments like that. 08:45.441 --> 08:46.360 Oh, we do, we do. 08:46.361 --> 08:48.381 You know, but the most keen thing 08:48.381 --> 08:49.941 we need to be really developing in 08:49.941 --> 08:53.381 and really homing in on is the season we're coming into. 08:53.681 --> 08:56.681 And that's why I think all the wins, the losses, 08:56.881 --> 08:58.461 the things that we go through prophetically, 08:58.901 --> 09:01.521 hearing God's voice, navigating the terrain, 09:01.516 --> 09:04.236 I believe now the church is being called up higher 09:04.236 --> 09:06.296 to a more accurate position. 09:06.776 --> 09:08.836 And that accurate position is really gonna matter, 09:08.976 --> 09:10.516 especially these next three years, Rebecca. 09:10.956 --> 09:12.516 Yeah, talk, unpack that. 09:12.756 --> 09:13.795 Okay. 09:13.796 --> 09:15.796 Yeah, the next, so everybody else asked me, 09:15.836 --> 09:16.935 like when we get prophetic, 09:16.936 --> 09:18.376 you know, and if you're prophetic ministry, 09:18.836 --> 09:21.336 what is the Lord saying for this year? 09:21.756 --> 09:22.976 I'm really good with that. 09:23.076 --> 09:24.015 I appreciate it. 09:24.016 --> 09:26.316 But you know, none of this stuff is like a fortune cookie, 09:26.516 --> 09:28.536 but it is very valuable 09:28.536 --> 09:30.276 when you truly have a word from God. 09:30.878 --> 09:34.418 And so I do believe that going into 2026, 09:34.418 --> 09:36.038 going into this next year, 09:36.038 --> 09:38.818 we are going to go into a time of a territory war, 09:38.818 --> 09:40.678 a time of collision. 09:40.678 --> 09:43.798 I believe that instead of capsizing the nation, 09:43.798 --> 09:45.798 if we really do what we're anointed and called to do, 09:45.798 --> 09:47.738 we'll right-size the nation. 09:47.738 --> 09:50.198 And the valley of decision is 2026. 09:50.198 --> 09:52.338 It's the 250th year of America. 09:53.002 --> 10:03.702 And as we go into this, what I see coming is so many things wanting to collide all at the same time, things that want to run this nation right into the ground. 10:03.702 --> 10:05.122 And then there's the midterms. 10:05.422 --> 10:11.162 If we get into the midterms and we don't see victory there, we're going to see a preview of what's to come in 2028. 10:11.817 --> 10:14.237 But that being said, I believe that we are headed 10:14.237 --> 10:16.397 for this valley of decision. 10:16.397 --> 10:18.417 I had a vision the other day while I was driving 10:18.417 --> 10:19.857 regarding this. 10:19.857 --> 10:23.237 And what I saw was a giant viper that went up, 10:23.237 --> 10:25.417 a very big like cobra. 10:25.417 --> 10:28.177 And it went up and I was actually talking to my mom 10:28.177 --> 10:31.377 and we're going through this process and she used a word 10:31.377 --> 10:34.257 and the word of the Lord came to me through it, I saw it. 10:34.257 --> 10:35.797 And I saw this big viper coming up 10:35.797 --> 10:38.557 and it represented 2026 and beyond. 10:38.557 --> 10:39.877 And I heard the words 10:40.555 --> 10:43.095 but I am unleashing the mongoose. 10:43.095 --> 10:46.515 I'm unleashing a mongoose on the viper. 10:46.515 --> 10:49.655 And I thought, well, this is really interesting 10:49.655 --> 10:53.775 that the Lord's gonna use something uncanny, remarkable, 10:53.775 --> 10:57.315 and kind of opposing this vicious snake thing. 10:57.315 --> 11:01.895 And then I learned that mongoose are immune to snake venom. 11:01.902 --> 11:04.662 They go attack the snake and they love to attack the snake. 11:04.662 --> 11:06.022 Like I'm gonna get this thing. 11:06.022 --> 11:07.942 And when they do, even if they get bit, 11:07.942 --> 11:08.841 they're immune to the venom. 11:08.842 --> 11:10.722 And the Lord began to speak to me about the body of Christ. 11:10.722 --> 11:12.582 He began to speak to me about where we're going in 26, 11:12.582 --> 11:15.542 politically, geopolitically, the way things are headed. 11:15.542 --> 11:18.822 And the Lord is saying, if we'll stay the course with him 11:18.822 --> 11:21.762 and we won't get distracted in our assignment or calling, 11:21.762 --> 11:24.622 that this mongoose anointing will go at the viper. 11:24.622 --> 11:26.142 Other things can't stop it, 11:26.142 --> 11:30.042 but he will use this symbolism, I believe, 11:30.050 --> 11:32.050 to break the hold of this thing. 11:32.050 --> 11:35.490 And the venom that comes back as a response 11:35.490 --> 11:36.650 will not harm you. 11:36.650 --> 11:37.489 That's powerful. 11:37.490 --> 11:38.570 It will not harm you. 11:38.570 --> 11:40.690 You are immune to the venom. 11:40.690 --> 11:43.330 And the Lord's gonna take many of us through that way. 11:43.330 --> 11:45.410 And so when this begins to happen, 11:46.165 --> 11:49.545 I see a few things happening also going into 2026. 11:49.545 --> 11:53.185 I see the siloing of three nations. 11:53.185 --> 11:55.245 I see three nations that are gonna become 11:55.245 --> 11:58.885 as if it were the three big superpowers now in the world. 11:58.885 --> 12:00.785 I think it starts in 26. 12:00.785 --> 12:03.465 It may go a few years before it really becomes realized, 12:03.465 --> 12:06.085 but I see it starting in 26. 12:06.085 --> 12:08.045 And that is the United States, 12:08.322 --> 12:10.542 Russia and China. 12:10.542 --> 12:12.862 And I see these three nations siloing. 12:12.862 --> 12:16.082 And I believe America right now is making a decision. 12:16.082 --> 12:18.462 I believe that we know we can't really win a conflict 12:18.462 --> 12:19.622 head on with China. 12:19.622 --> 12:21.302 This is things I've been praying through. 12:21.302 --> 12:24.122 I believe that we can't win some of these conflicts 12:24.122 --> 12:25.802 that are out there, but what we can do, 12:25.802 --> 12:28.102 and I believe this is what the president is doing, 12:28.102 --> 12:30.142 at least at the time of this podcast, 12:30.142 --> 12:35.042 is that he is saying to the nations and making a statement, 12:35.035 --> 12:37.415 I'm not going to come after you, and I'm not 12:37.415 --> 12:39.955 going to fight other wars on other territory. 12:39.955 --> 12:43.315 I am, however, going to claim the Western hemisphere. 12:43.315 --> 12:45.355 Stay out of my space. 12:45.355 --> 12:46.955 And I believe that's where we're going. 12:46.955 --> 12:50.035 And so when I see that happening, that's going to change. 12:50.035 --> 12:52.415 And as a result of this, I believe part of it 12:52.415 --> 12:55.295 will show because NATO is going to start to decline. 12:55.302 --> 12:56.562 as I was praying into this too, 12:56.562 --> 12:57.521 and you're looking at what's going on 12:57.522 --> 12:58.602 with the European Union, 12:58.602 --> 12:59.802 you're looking at all these things, 12:59.802 --> 13:03.762 I think NATO's gonna really begin to dissolve over time. 13:03.762 --> 13:07.822 And I believe the silos, the three silos, are gonna rise. 13:07.822 --> 13:09.182 And so where it goes from there, 13:09.182 --> 13:12.102 that could lead to like Gog and Magog and all that stuff, 13:12.102 --> 13:14.022 but that is what I'm seeing, 13:14.022 --> 13:17.362 a major big theme turn for 2026. 13:17.362 --> 13:18.702 What were the three silos again? 13:19.096 --> 13:22.236 The United States, Russia, and China. 13:22.696 --> 13:27.336 And I believe that they will become their own three superpowers basically running the world. 13:27.656 --> 13:28.315 Oh, my gosh. 13:28.316 --> 13:29.816 And we'll have the Western Hemisphere. 13:29.996 --> 13:32.356 They'll have the eastern side of things. 13:32.896 --> 13:35.376 Now, does that mean other nations won't be doing things involved? 13:35.596 --> 13:36.816 No, they will be. 13:37.116 --> 13:41.616 But what we're going to be seeing is these three, I believe, silos of power that rise. 13:42.016 --> 13:43.216 And America— 13:44.408 --> 13:49.568 This could get absolutely derailed, but they could end up just running the Western Hemisphere and staying out of the others. 13:49.968 --> 13:54.168 And that's something I think that is taking place even when I'm praying into what's going on with Venezuela. 13:54.448 --> 13:55.628 We're praying about all these things. 13:56.048 --> 14:05.148 I believe that we're going to see more and more of China and Russia show up on the scene as it is in regards to Venezuela or even South American nations. 14:06.042 --> 14:08.062 why do you think God shows you these things 14:08.062 --> 14:10.002 and what is the church's role in it? 14:10.002 --> 14:11.182 Because some churches, you know, 14:11.182 --> 14:12.582 some Christians' perspectives are, 14:12.582 --> 14:14.262 oh, I don't want to get involved in politics. 14:14.262 --> 14:17.422 We're just supposed to be the church. 14:17.422 --> 14:18.411 And 14:18.412 --> 14:20.152 I was just having a conversation with a friend 14:20.152 --> 14:21.512 and I was talking about this church. 14:21.612 --> 14:23.272 He goes, oh yeah, that church is like really political. 14:24.212 --> 14:26.272 And I was like, well, yeah, you know, 14:26.512 --> 14:29.412 because if you can impact something, why wouldn't you? 14:29.952 --> 14:31.552 But I think, you know, some people, 14:31.692 --> 14:33.312 because they don't feel called to that sphere, 14:33.492 --> 14:35.072 it doesn't, it's hard for them to understand, 14:35.172 --> 14:37.052 well, why are you, why is God showing you this? 14:37.052 --> 14:39.292 Why am I, why are you praying into this? 14:39.286 --> 14:41.746 Yeah, well, there's so many ways to answer that, 14:41.746 --> 14:43.006 and there's many things we can talk about. 14:43.006 --> 14:45.546 But number one, if you choose to not be political 14:45.546 --> 14:49.006 as a Christian or a churchgoer, you are being political. 14:49.006 --> 14:51.786 You're giving evil power to rule over you. 14:52.111 --> 14:55.111 Now, one of the things we should mention is Romans 13. 14:55.111 --> 14:56.871 I was just gonna ask you that. 14:56.871 --> 14:58.111 Romans 13 says, you know, 14:58.111 --> 14:59.971 there's no power that is in position 14:59.971 --> 15:02.291 that God hasn't placed there, all that. 15:02.291 --> 15:06.211 And then that power is there and it's meant for good. 15:06.211 --> 15:07.190 They're there for your good. 15:07.191 --> 15:08.090 They're there to do good. 15:08.091 --> 15:08.930 And that's, you know, 15:08.931 --> 15:10.611 I could read the scripture in the passage. 15:11.011 --> 15:13.031 But you recognize that works in a few different ways, 15:13.031 --> 15:14.871 whatever type of nation you are. 15:14.871 --> 15:18.491 So in a monarchy where you have a king and the people, 15:18.491 --> 15:19.611 you do Romans 13. 15:19.611 --> 15:22.411 Well, if that's the constitutional basis of that nation, 15:22.411 --> 15:25.211 their foundation, well, that means that 15:25.211 --> 15:27.511 whatever the king says goes, and you're there. 15:27.511 --> 15:29.771 You're doing Romans 13 in that country. 15:29.771 --> 15:30.871 You have to obey that. 15:30.871 --> 15:32.351 Unless it violates scripture, 15:32.351 --> 15:34.811 then you don't obey any governing ruler 15:34.811 --> 15:36.491 when it violates scripture. 15:36.492 --> 15:38.392 Flip that around, though, we're in the United States, 15:38.472 --> 15:39.592 and this is where it gets interesting 15:39.592 --> 15:40.772 because it's very different 15:40.772 --> 15:43.392 than most nations throughout history. 15:43.892 --> 15:44.971 And that is this, 15:44.972 --> 15:47.732 that when God puts an authority in the land 15:47.732 --> 15:49.352 or a ruler or a king, 15:49.592 --> 15:52.312 that is typically a monarchy top-down. 15:52.612 --> 15:55.472 In America, in the United States of America, 15:56.132 --> 15:57.452 we the people are the king. 15:58.717 --> 16:01.537 We the people, the government works for us. 16:01.537 --> 16:04.817 So if we're gonna really fulfill Romans 13, 16:04.817 --> 16:06.097 and we're gonna really walk that out 16:06.097 --> 16:07.717 according to the biblical letter, 16:07.717 --> 16:11.957 we have a responsibility if rulers or people in authority 16:11.957 --> 16:15.837 don't do what is good and they pervert their office, 16:15.837 --> 16:18.837 we the people have a fiduciary responsibility 16:18.837 --> 16:21.657 to remove them, call them out, and change the game. 16:21.657 --> 16:22.897 That means the church. 16:22.898 --> 16:30.518 The church has a responsibility to speak to power and say to it, you will do what we the 16:30.518 --> 16:31.957 people say you will do. 16:31.958 --> 16:33.798 And people say, well, that's this, that's that. 16:33.838 --> 16:34.777 No, that's Romans 13. 16:34.778 --> 16:37.338 If you really look at it, that's really what it's talking about. 16:37.458 --> 16:41.498 And if you apply that to the American culture, we have a responsibility to make sure this 16:41.498 --> 16:45.378 nation is run on godly principles and fulfilling the constitution. 16:45.438 --> 16:46.878 That's just a quick snapshot of that. 16:46.996 --> 16:49.276 That's actually really, I've never heard anyone make that connection. 16:49.416 --> 16:50.776 That's really powerful because- 16:50.776 --> 16:51.475 We're the king. 16:51.476 --> 16:56.436 We were born, if you were born in this nation, you have this gift that's been given to you 16:56.436 --> 16:57.936 that you can make an impact. 16:58.076 --> 16:58.295 Yep. 16:58.296 --> 17:00.756 Where so many other places in the world, they don't even have that ability. 17:00.756 --> 17:01.415 They don't. 17:01.416 --> 17:02.696 We do have a responsibility. 17:02.996 --> 17:03.255 We do. 17:03.256 --> 17:05.316 And God did put us here. 17:05.516 --> 17:05.995 Yep. 17:05.996 --> 17:07.156 So we need to be- 17:07.921 --> 17:10.241 basically faithful and steward what he's given us. 17:10.281 --> 17:11.060 We have to. 17:11.061 --> 17:12.461 So when I pray into these things, 17:12.581 --> 17:13.841 you know, I look at the premise of that. 17:13.961 --> 17:16.061 You know, if I was living in another nation 17:16.061 --> 17:17.181 and that was not the thing, 17:17.241 --> 17:18.761 well, then we'd be an underground church 17:18.761 --> 17:20.361 and we'd be doing the kingdom, 17:20.481 --> 17:21.440 we'd be doing the gospel. 17:21.441 --> 17:23.341 But if we're gonna be biblical in America, 17:23.341 --> 17:26.141 we have to fulfill our responsibility. 17:26.801 --> 17:28.761 So when I pray into things and world events, 17:28.761 --> 17:29.921 and I'm looking at this, you know, 17:29.981 --> 17:31.361 and this is what you asked me, 17:31.360 --> 17:33.860 when we're looking at what's going on in the world, 17:33.860 --> 17:36.820 it started for me because all the way back in 2015, 17:36.820 --> 17:39.460 I was in Trump Tower, the Lord began to speak to me there. 17:39.460 --> 17:41.280 And I thought, wow, is this guy gonna be president? 17:41.280 --> 17:42.360 What's going on? 17:42.360 --> 17:44.260 And he began to speak to me and say, 17:44.260 --> 17:46.500 I've not graced you to know if he's gonna be president, 17:46.500 --> 17:47.900 but I want you to pray for this. 17:47.900 --> 17:49.560 And I said, Lord, is America going down? 17:49.560 --> 17:50.660 Is America over with? 17:50.660 --> 17:52.320 And he spoke to me and said, no, 17:52.320 --> 17:54.140 America has one more round 17:54.140 --> 17:56.080 because the young lions are coming. 17:56.080 --> 17:58.460 And I want you to get ready for that season. 17:58.462 --> 18:01.262 And so several years after that, even just a few years ago, 18:01.262 --> 18:03.002 I was in a meeting and I heard these words, 18:03.002 --> 18:05.422 and this is why I lean into this space. 18:05.422 --> 18:07.502 I heard these words, I heard the words, 18:07.502 --> 18:09.122 come up here, come up higher. 18:09.122 --> 18:10.542 And Rebecca, when I heard that, 18:10.542 --> 18:12.802 it knocked me into my chair, it knocked me down, 18:12.802 --> 18:14.742 in a meeting, very calm meeting. 18:14.746 --> 18:16.966 And then the Lord called me to the top of Pikes Peak. 18:17.346 --> 18:18.886 And when I got to the top of Pikes Peak, 18:18.966 --> 18:20.026 which is America's mountain, 18:20.366 --> 18:21.726 that's when he began to speak to me 18:21.726 --> 18:24.206 as a watchman over America. 18:24.746 --> 18:26.706 And I'm just one of many, 18:27.166 --> 18:28.406 but he called me in that space. 18:28.526 --> 18:30.326 And so when I pray prophetically, 18:30.326 --> 18:32.446 I find that the unction that God gives me 18:32.446 --> 18:33.866 is about what's coming next. 18:34.226 --> 18:35.306 What should we be looking at? 18:35.386 --> 18:36.486 What should we be praying about? 18:36.886 --> 18:38.846 And that's why I do my broadcast every morning 18:38.843 --> 18:41.463 because I believe God is speaking through voices 18:41.463 --> 18:43.443 that have ears to hear and eyes to see 18:43.443 --> 18:46.503 to speak about what's happening in the country or the nations. 18:46.883 --> 18:48.003 That's so powerful. 18:48.463 --> 18:50.983 And I was just thinking earlier today on my walk, 18:51.023 --> 18:54.783 I was thinking about the spiritual realm 18:54.783 --> 18:57.163 and understanding that there is kind of like, 18:57.483 --> 18:59.323 what is the word Michael Heiser uses? 18:59.923 --> 19:03.023 It's like geographical... 19:04.679 --> 19:06.839 I can't remember the word that he uses, 19:06.839 --> 19:10.979 but he's talking about how basically 19:10.979 --> 19:13.579 there are different entities put over different locations. 19:13.579 --> 19:15.179 Right, yeah, territorial spirits. 19:15.179 --> 19:18.619 And we know that God claims Israel, 19:19.519 --> 19:21.559 Michael, the archangels put over Israel, 19:21.559 --> 19:23.559 but it's the first time I began to understand 19:23.559 --> 19:26.979 that there is this thing where there's these territories. 19:26.979 --> 19:30.259 We don't go out and war against those territories, 19:30.259 --> 19:33.879 but it helps you discern why different places in the world 19:33.873 --> 19:35.173 are dealing with different things. 19:35.173 --> 19:37.453 Rebecca, I was in Guatemala, to make your point. 19:37.453 --> 19:38.332 I was in Guatemala. 19:38.333 --> 19:41.353 I was preaching at this big, giant ministry there. 19:41.353 --> 19:44.553 And as I came outside, I walked out into the parking lot. 19:44.553 --> 19:46.873 You notice behind it, and people who've been there 19:46.873 --> 19:47.772 will know what I'm talking about. 19:47.773 --> 19:49.173 It's near Guatemala City. 19:49.173 --> 19:51.273 There's a giant serpent sculpture, 19:51.273 --> 19:52.833 and it's like miles long. 19:52.833 --> 19:53.332 Oh, yeah. 19:53.333 --> 19:55.373 A giant stone serpent. 19:55.373 --> 19:58.113 And it is just massive. 19:58.122 --> 20:00.462 I came out in the parking lot, I know that's there, 20:00.462 --> 20:02.662 and suddenly I was with another minister, 20:02.662 --> 20:03.702 and they came and said, 20:03.702 --> 20:05.222 hey, would you pray for somebody in the car? 20:05.222 --> 20:07.362 We walk up to the car, I look in the car, 20:07.362 --> 20:09.002 and there's a lady in there, and as soon as we came, 20:09.002 --> 20:12.002 she flips over and starts like writhing around in the car. 20:12.002 --> 20:14.002 We opened the door, as she dropped onto the ground, 20:14.002 --> 20:15.942 started slithering like a serpent. 20:16.297 --> 20:19.057 And we ended up binding that, and somebody came running up 20:19.057 --> 20:20.797 crying, trying to stop her from slithering. 20:20.797 --> 20:21.877 She bit them on the hand. 20:21.877 --> 20:22.917 It was amazing. 20:22.917 --> 20:25.537 But that being said, by the time it was done, 20:25.537 --> 20:30.177 I recognized that she was reflecting the principality 20:30.177 --> 20:31.076 and power in the area. 20:31.077 --> 20:32.657 It was a serpent thing. 20:32.648 --> 20:35.388 And so to make the point that you're talking about, 20:35.468 --> 20:37.468 that is exactly what that is. 20:37.468 --> 20:40.308 And people will reflect the dominion 20:40.308 --> 20:43.748 or the principality or power or territory spirit 20:43.748 --> 20:46.408 if they're not in Christ and they're not in Jesus. 20:46.728 --> 20:48.208 They can reflect that. 20:49.548 --> 20:52.688 There's so many things that really amplify that. 20:53.033 --> 20:55.533 Yeah, and this is what I was thinking about. 20:55.533 --> 20:58.373 I was thinking about how God called, 20:58.373 --> 21:01.973 it's like He claimed Israel and He claimed those people. 21:01.973 --> 21:04.813 And then He gave them a culture that was rooted 21:04.813 --> 21:07.193 and embedded in who He is as God. 21:07.193 --> 21:10.813 But all of these other deities did the same thing. 21:10.813 --> 21:14.033 They claimed to people and they embedded in their culture 21:14.043 --> 21:15.923 worship of them, these false gods. 21:16.023 --> 21:16.502 Right. 21:16.503 --> 21:18.383 And then I realized something that God's been, 21:19.003 --> 21:21.583 I've been kind of thinking about is how culture 21:21.583 --> 21:23.863 is one of the most powerful and deceptive tools 21:23.863 --> 21:25.743 that the enemy uses to entrap people. 21:25.763 --> 21:26.882 Oh, that's good. 21:26.883 --> 21:29.703 Because it's just so familiar and it becomes tradition. 21:29.863 --> 21:31.983 Well, this is how we've done things for hundreds of years. 21:32.123 --> 21:33.443 Why would we do anything differently? 21:34.411 --> 21:35.971 That's good. That's true. 21:36.131 --> 21:38.251 I know. It's been like blowing my mind. 21:38.391 --> 21:40.351 Like how many things even as Christians were like, 21:40.391 --> 21:41.951 well, this is just culture. 21:42.311 --> 21:43.431 You know, it seems harmless. 21:43.591 --> 21:47.331 But I'm like anything that's not of God and is not good, 21:47.431 --> 21:48.751 we should not be participating. 21:49.591 --> 21:53.051 But it's like that was my thought right before this podcast, 21:53.151 --> 21:54.431 which is funny that we're talking about this now. 21:54.511 --> 21:55.630 It is. 21:55.631 --> 21:59.691 You know, I didn't understand the spiritual realm growing up. 21:59.751 --> 22:01.191 I really didn't even understand – 22:01.732 --> 22:02.952 God's purpose with Israel. 22:03.112 --> 22:04.912 And so the Old Testament was really confusing. 22:05.212 --> 22:06.432 The Bible was kind of confusing. 22:06.972 --> 22:10.432 And when I began to understand Israel's role 22:10.432 --> 22:12.112 and I began to understand what, 22:12.272 --> 22:13.652 through Michael Heiser's teaching about, 22:13.732 --> 22:16.352 you know, the sons of God and how they fell 22:16.835 --> 22:19.035 how they've been placed over these different regions. 22:19.255 --> 22:20.614 Yeah. 22:20.615 --> 22:22.515 It just, everything began to make more sense. 22:22.615 --> 22:24.115 And then when you look in modern day, 22:24.255 --> 22:26.955 I was literally watching this, it's so random, 22:26.955 --> 22:31.675 but I was watching this massive rave with all these people who don't, 22:31.795 --> 22:34.155 you know, these people would say probably most are agnostic, 22:34.315 --> 22:35.415 probably don't believe in anything. 22:36.115 --> 22:38.835 But there's these huge, we'll put the video in this podcast. 22:39.095 --> 22:40.955 There's these huge four people, 22:41.759 --> 22:43.439 figures like in thrones. 22:43.659 --> 22:44.658 I've seen it. 22:44.659 --> 22:45.538 I know what you're talking about. 22:45.539 --> 22:46.118 It's so creepy. 22:46.119 --> 22:46.378 Yeah. 22:46.379 --> 22:49.239 And they're all dancing before these throned deities. 22:49.419 --> 22:53.819 And one's like Poseidon, one's the Aztec, I can't pronounce it. 22:54.039 --> 22:56.539 It starts with a Q, but it's these different deities. 22:56.539 --> 22:58.879 And I'm thinking that's not an accident. 22:59.179 --> 22:59.758 No, it's not. 22:59.759 --> 23:01.499 And I'm like, I'm seeing pagan worship. 23:01.799 --> 23:02.244 Yeah. 23:02.245 --> 23:04.845 in modern times because they never went away. 23:05.145 --> 23:06.885 The things talked about in the Bible, 23:07.225 --> 23:09.185 Baal, Moloch, Ishtar, 23:09.645 --> 23:12.065 these were real deities that never, 23:12.185 --> 23:13.425 and I don't really like using that word, 23:13.525 --> 23:14.845 but I mean like false gods, 23:15.625 --> 23:17.305 you know, spiritual beings. 23:17.485 --> 23:19.265 The things they call gods that they worshiped. 23:19.345 --> 23:21.345 Yes, they never went away. 23:21.405 --> 23:24.285 And there's still a spiritual battle being raged, 23:24.285 --> 23:26.965 you know, or waged, not raged, waged. 23:27.608 --> 23:30.048 Raging at the rave and not waging more. 23:31.048 --> 23:32.687 They're raving. 23:32.688 --> 23:34.187 But sorry. 23:34.188 --> 23:35.568 I would never talk this way. 23:36.088 --> 23:43.108 But it just blows my mind when your eyes begin to discern what's going on in that, what was written in the Bible. 23:43.168 --> 23:45.028 Because Solomon says there's nothing new under the sun. 23:45.148 --> 23:45.947 You think about Solomon. 23:45.948 --> 23:47.148 Solomon began to engage. 23:47.420 --> 23:48.580 in pagan worship. 23:48.580 --> 23:49.580 And that's why I was like, 23:49.580 --> 23:51.660 that's why God with the Israelites was- 23:51.660 --> 23:52.539 Powerful point. 23:52.540 --> 23:53.379 I know. 23:53.380 --> 23:55.120 And that's why, and then it never left Israel. 23:55.120 --> 23:57.380 That's what I realized until it completely fell. 23:57.380 --> 23:59.120 Because he opened it, he let it in. 23:59.120 --> 24:01.120 You know, you think about territorial things too. 24:01.120 --> 24:03.660 When Jesus threw the demons into the pigs, 24:03.660 --> 24:06.300 they said, you know, he was there, they ran into him 24:06.300 --> 24:07.920 and they were like, can we be excused? 24:07.920 --> 24:09.120 He's like, you can go in the pigs 24:09.120 --> 24:10.580 because Jesus of course is Jewish. 24:10.580 --> 24:12.660 And so he wanted to get rid of the spirits 24:12.660 --> 24:15.540 and he probably didn't care for pigs too much. 24:15.533 --> 24:16.573 That's a good point. 24:16.573 --> 24:17.432 Swine flew. 24:17.433 --> 24:18.433 They fly off the cliff. 24:18.433 --> 24:19.953 But what is it that they were doing? 24:19.953 --> 24:21.753 They were going to the water. 24:21.753 --> 24:24.073 And people make the argument, and maybe there's 24:24.073 --> 24:26.833 something to this, that they were territorial 24:26.833 --> 24:28.633 and wanted to get to that place. 24:28.633 --> 24:30.593 And they ran off the cliff to get to the water. 24:30.593 --> 24:32.973 And people call those water spirits, all that kind of stuff. 24:32.973 --> 24:33.932 Yeah, I've heard about those. 24:33.933 --> 24:34.492 Right. 24:34.493 --> 24:35.242 Yeah. 24:35.243 --> 24:37.463 And you know what overcomes it all though? 24:37.463 --> 24:38.983 What overcomes it all? 24:38.983 --> 24:39.942 Well, let me read it. 24:39.943 --> 24:40.963 Let me go here. 24:40.963 --> 24:44.503 So 1 John 5, this is really important 24:44.503 --> 24:47.043 because everything that we face, 24:47.043 --> 24:49.903 we got celestial powers, we got terrestrial powers, 24:49.903 --> 24:52.123 we got authorities that are in the heavens 24:52.123 --> 24:53.843 and authorities that are on the earth 24:53.843 --> 24:56.043 and things that are working through people. 24:56.043 --> 24:58.243 You see it in governments, you see it everywhere. 24:58.243 --> 24:59.323 But this is fascinating. 24:59.323 --> 25:04.703 In 1 John 5 and verse, let's get a running start here. 25:04.707 --> 25:06.307 Verse three, it says, 25:06.307 --> 25:08.547 for this is the love of God that we keep his commandments 25:08.547 --> 25:10.647 and his commandments are not burdensome. 25:10.647 --> 25:13.007 Verse four, and this gets really strong. 25:13.007 --> 25:18.007 It says, for whatever, whatever is born of God 25:18.267 --> 25:21.507 overcomes the world. 25:21.507 --> 25:24.267 And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. 25:24.267 --> 25:27.207 But this word world here, this is interesting, Rebecca. 25:27.207 --> 25:31.667 It's the word in the Greek for world is cosmos with a K. 25:31.943 --> 25:32.943 Oh, I didn't know that. 25:32.943 --> 25:33.782 Yeah. 25:33.783 --> 25:34.622 That changes things. 25:34.623 --> 25:36.763 It does, but it doesn't mean outer space. 25:36.763 --> 25:37.602 Yeah. 25:37.603 --> 25:38.502 So you're thinking, oh, it's way out there, 25:38.503 --> 25:40.323 but cosmos with a K, 25:40.323 --> 25:45.323 it actually means the public or society or ruling powers. 25:46.263 --> 25:49.283 So when you look at this in a society way, 25:49.283 --> 25:51.183 or you got principalities and powers, 25:51.183 --> 25:55.203 the thing that overcomes it, it says, this is the power. 25:55.203 --> 25:57.623 If you look at it in the message translation, 25:57.623 --> 25:59.963 it actually says that our faith 26:00.040 --> 26:04.040 is the power that brings the cosmos or the public 26:04.040 --> 26:08.180 or the society that's ruled by these things to its knees. 26:08.180 --> 26:09.460 So I find that fascinating. 26:09.460 --> 26:11.720 It says that this is what overcomes the world. 26:11.720 --> 26:15.080 Our victory that overcomes the world is our faith. 26:15.080 --> 26:16.320 Faith. 26:16.325 --> 26:18.705 in Christ Jesus, faith and obedience. 26:18.705 --> 26:21.085 Faith when you say, no, I'm a free moral agent 26:21.085 --> 26:24.085 and I'm standing in the middle of a present evil age, 26:24.085 --> 26:26.545 I'm standing knowing the word of God 26:26.545 --> 26:28.465 and I'm standing against this. 26:28.465 --> 26:31.265 It brings those powers to their knees. 26:31.265 --> 26:32.705 I actually think that's why 26:33.588 --> 26:36.588 You know, you get in, let's jump the rails a little bit in this topic. 26:36.848 --> 26:40.768 That's why when you get into like UFOs, you get into alien stuff, weird 26:40.768 --> 26:44.308 cryptid things, or, you know, paranormal activity, none of them across the 26:44.308 --> 26:46.668 board can stand the name of Jesus. 26:47.328 --> 26:48.328 And that's our faith. 26:48.408 --> 26:51.888 Our faith in the name of Jesus brings all of it to its knees. 26:51.888 --> 26:53.308 And the church needs to know that. 26:53.588 --> 26:56.628 And that's also why we need to be involved in politics so we can bring 26:56.628 --> 26:58.728 the name of Jesus into that very place. 26:59.108 --> 26:59.307 Yeah. 26:59.308 --> 27:01.708 And it goes back to understanding our identity. 27:02.157 --> 27:04.917 and that Christ has given us his authority. 27:04.917 --> 27:05.756 Come on. 27:05.757 --> 27:06.596 For a reason. 27:06.597 --> 27:07.436 Yeah. 27:07.437 --> 27:08.276 And I think that's why I love 27:08.277 --> 27:09.557 that you're bringing it to that point, 27:09.557 --> 27:11.897 because I think the problem is, 27:11.897 --> 27:14.417 is people want to talk about the supernatural realm. 27:14.417 --> 27:15.637 I want to talk about the spiritual realm. 27:15.637 --> 27:16.476 Yeah. 27:16.477 --> 27:17.316 Because the Bible talks about it. 27:17.317 --> 27:19.937 It's, you know, so we need to have an understanding. 27:19.937 --> 27:23.597 So the answer is not to be ignorant of the spiritual realm, 27:23.597 --> 27:25.877 but it's also not to sensationalize it. 27:25.877 --> 27:26.716 Yes. 27:26.717 --> 27:29.557 And not include the fact that we do have victory. 27:29.557 --> 27:30.506 That's right. 27:30.507 --> 27:34.287 And I also think we can't become too obsessed. 27:34.287 --> 27:37.407 Sometimes I think people get too obsessed with darkness 27:37.407 --> 27:38.246 as Christians. 27:38.247 --> 27:39.086 They do. 27:39.087 --> 27:42.547 And I just know in my personal life, 27:42.547 --> 27:44.047 the Holy Spirit's kind of pulled me like, 27:44.047 --> 27:46.487 okay, stop studying that. 27:46.487 --> 27:48.887 And I'm like, this isn't in the Bible for a reason. 27:50.267 --> 27:52.607 Yeah, and so I just think we have to be careful. 27:52.607 --> 27:55.207 And I think we also have to be at peace 27:55.195 --> 27:57.275 that we might not understand everything. 27:57.395 --> 27:57.674 Yep. 27:57.675 --> 27:59.335 Even like when God, when you were like, 27:59.375 --> 28:00.955 is Trump going to be president all those years ago? 28:01.095 --> 28:03.775 God in his wisdom shows us what we need to know 28:03.775 --> 28:04.975 when we need to know it. 28:05.015 --> 28:05.794 So good. 28:05.795 --> 28:08.655 And he puts in his word everything that we need to know. 28:08.775 --> 28:09.194 Yep. 28:09.195 --> 28:10.575 And then we have a relationship with him. 28:11.015 --> 28:14.455 But when we try to go outside of things we don't understand. 28:14.455 --> 28:15.535 So good, Rebecca. 28:15.695 --> 28:16.835 You can fall into deception. 28:17.115 --> 28:17.894 They do. 28:17.895 --> 28:19.375 And it's like a... 28:19.377 --> 28:21.457 It's like a doctrine of demons, seducing spirits, 28:21.457 --> 28:22.917 all that that takes people there. 28:22.917 --> 28:26.217 But Deuteronomy 29, 29 says something really cool. 28:26.217 --> 28:29.577 It says the secret things belong to the Lord. 28:29.577 --> 28:32.017 And that means no matter what, we're not gonna know them. 28:32.017 --> 28:34.837 But Proverbs says, it is the glory of God 28:34.837 --> 28:35.977 to conceal a matter. 28:35.977 --> 28:37.717 Now those are two different things. 28:37.720 --> 28:40.940 So secret things are things that God, you're just not going to know. 28:40.980 --> 28:41.599 Yeah. 28:41.600 --> 28:45.640 But concealed things, it says it's the glory of God to conceal a matter, 28:45.860 --> 28:49.900 but it's the glory of kings or his believers to draw out a matter. 28:50.380 --> 28:53.960 So in other words, there are things that God has secret that he's not going to reveal. 28:54.240 --> 28:58.280 But there are concealed things that if we go into it through the word of God 28:58.280 --> 29:02.060 and we begin to extract the deeper, fuller meaning of it, you get revelation. 29:02.375 --> 29:04.535 And that is what these kinds of conversations do. 29:04.535 --> 29:05.835 And that's what people need to do. 29:05.835 --> 29:06.674 They need to know the difference 29:06.675 --> 29:10.475 between the secret things and concealed things. 29:10.475 --> 29:12.795 And when you go to the word of God in your faith, 29:12.795 --> 29:15.635 that is where I believe you get revelatory horsepower 29:15.635 --> 29:18.175 that leads to bringing the world to its knees, 29:18.175 --> 29:19.395 bringing it there, 29:19.395 --> 29:21.435 because you have faith that overcomes the world 29:21.435 --> 29:23.155 and you're getting revelatory understanding 29:23.155 --> 29:26.655 of some of these crazy things we talk about and look into, 29:26.655 --> 29:30.695 but it brings clarity and you can walk it out with faith. 29:30.695 --> 29:31.635 I think it's so good. 29:31.636 --> 29:44.996 What do you think is tripping even believers up where they're falling into like deception in the conspiracy theory world, the world that's like, oh, you know, the red pill world or the conspiracy theory world? 29:45.236 --> 29:46.876 What's tripping believers up? 29:46.874 --> 29:51.674 When they love the sensational more than the truth. 29:51.674 --> 29:52.914 And that's what the Bible says. 29:52.914 --> 29:55.754 Because they did not love the truth, they were found, 29:55.754 --> 29:58.554 they believed the lie, they ended up in deception. 29:58.554 --> 30:01.554 When you're a lover of the truth, you overcome those things. 30:01.554 --> 30:04.174 But there really is, there's so much information. 30:04.174 --> 30:05.013 There is. 30:05.014 --> 30:06.094 There's so much sensationalism. 30:06.094 --> 30:08.194 There's so much conspiracy 30:08.194 --> 30:10.314 that when you go down these avenues, 30:10.314 --> 30:13.114 and the crazy part is a lot of the conspiracy 30:13.114 --> 30:14.614 gets proven true. 30:14.785 --> 30:15.945 I know, that's the problem. 30:16.045 --> 30:16.704 That is the problem. 30:16.705 --> 30:17.785 There's some truth in it. 30:17.945 --> 30:19.525 Yes, there's some truth. 30:19.625 --> 30:21.845 But then you can get someone with a little bit of truth 30:21.845 --> 30:23.005 and then hook them the wrong way. 30:23.045 --> 30:24.184 That's exactly right. 30:24.185 --> 30:25.164 That's the deception. 30:25.165 --> 30:27.145 It's like we live in very deceptive times. 30:28.005 --> 30:29.465 We are in deceptive times, people. 30:30.105 --> 30:31.165 I was in a meeting one time, 30:31.445 --> 30:32.625 and I'm going to the whiteboard. 30:32.705 --> 30:34.065 Many times when I preach, I go to the whiteboard. 30:34.425 --> 30:36.365 And I'm going there, and the Holy Spirit said to me, 30:36.665 --> 30:38.525 call out the conspiracy demon. 30:39.068 --> 30:41.668 And I talk about conspiracies all the time in my program. 30:41.668 --> 30:42.728 I deal with it. 30:42.728 --> 30:43.567 I go down that. 30:43.568 --> 30:45.568 But there is a point that you can actually 30:45.568 --> 30:48.528 engage a demonic influence if you're not being rooted 30:48.528 --> 30:50.188 in the word of God. 30:50.189 --> 30:51.829 And I did, I went to the board 30:51.829 --> 30:52.909 and I began to draw a circle. 30:52.989 --> 30:53.888 And I said, you know what? 30:53.889 --> 30:55.929 Some people get so caught up in conspiracies, 30:56.049 --> 30:58.529 they end up in this circle and they never get answers, 30:58.949 --> 31:00.869 ever learning, never coming to the knowledge, 31:01.109 --> 31:02.349 never coming to a conclusion. 31:02.689 --> 31:04.189 And that's what conspiracies are. 31:04.249 --> 31:05.589 They never have a conclusion. 31:06.089 --> 31:08.089 It's always, well, wait, have you heard this part? 31:08.509 --> 31:09.468 And it continues. 31:09.469 --> 31:10.629 And the Lord showed me something. 31:10.709 --> 31:12.329 And when I did that, by the way, in the meeting, 31:12.689 --> 31:13.829 a guy jumped up with demons. 31:13.949 --> 31:16.229 He screamed out, rushed the platform, 31:16.309 --> 31:17.709 tried to take me out. 31:18.472 --> 31:19.852 And security got him. 31:19.852 --> 31:21.132 But I was like, well, hey there. 31:21.132 --> 31:22.752 He jumped up and he started yelling. 31:22.752 --> 31:23.591 That conspiracy. 31:23.592 --> 31:24.431 There you are. 31:24.432 --> 31:25.271 Yeah. 31:25.272 --> 31:26.111 So that happened. 31:26.112 --> 31:29.572 But in that same moment, the Lord showed me something. 31:29.572 --> 31:32.072 Conspiracies, when we obsess over them. 31:32.072 --> 31:35.412 Now it's okay to glance at Goliath, but gaze at God. 31:35.412 --> 31:37.532 So you can glance at Goliath, right? 31:37.532 --> 31:38.371 Yeah. 31:38.372 --> 31:39.251 But you gaze at God. 31:39.252 --> 31:40.852 So yes, we look at the problem, 31:40.852 --> 31:43.052 but we don't obsess over the problem. 31:43.058 --> 31:46.898 But what conspiracies do is they replace the mechanism 31:46.898 --> 31:49.658 in our heart that was meant for faith. 31:49.658 --> 31:51.818 So what you're believing God for, 31:51.818 --> 31:54.278 that same mechanism that says, I'm believing God, 31:54.278 --> 31:55.778 I'm stretching out in faith, 31:55.778 --> 31:58.398 conspiracies hijack that space. 31:58.398 --> 32:00.918 And then it becomes kind of an obsessive thing 32:00.918 --> 32:03.578 and you don't get results and it takes you off track. 32:03.578 --> 32:06.118 As a matter of fact, Matthew 24 says this, 32:06.110 --> 32:09.910 One of the signs of false prophets, it says in Matthew 24, 32:09.910 --> 32:13.410 it says that many will rise and they will deceive many. 32:13.410 --> 32:16.210 That's what it says around Matthew 24, verse 20 or something. 32:16.210 --> 32:18.210 It says they will deceive many. 32:18.210 --> 32:21.710 And that word deceive, one of the words for that means 32:21.710 --> 32:25.850 to cause to wander, to cause to wander. 32:25.850 --> 32:27.610 So when you cause them to wander, 32:27.610 --> 32:29.010 that is what conspiracies do. 32:29.010 --> 32:32.810 That's what people that are just simply susceptible 32:32.810 --> 32:34.870 to these things experience, they go down those avenues. 32:34.870 --> 32:35.870 And that's what we get to fight. 32:36.468 --> 32:37.588 It's like, you can look at Goliath, 32:37.588 --> 32:39.008 but it's like, focus on Jesus. 32:39.008 --> 32:40.968 And it's like, you should never love these things 32:40.968 --> 32:41.887 more than the Lord. 32:41.888 --> 32:42.727 That's it. 32:42.728 --> 32:44.468 And you have to distinguish between, 32:44.468 --> 32:45.888 is this feeding my spirit 32:45.888 --> 32:47.688 or is this sensational to my flesh? 32:47.688 --> 32:48.527 That's right. 32:48.528 --> 32:49.427 Because the flesh likes things 32:49.428 --> 32:52.108 that are very intriguing and sensational, 32:52.108 --> 32:54.268 but it's like, okay, is this producing any good fruit 32:54.268 --> 32:55.708 or is this just feeding my flesh? 32:55.708 --> 32:56.687 That's right. 32:56.688 --> 32:59.088 And what's interesting is even seeing, 32:59.088 --> 33:02.688 because I feel, Jonathan and I feel a call to Israel 33:02.688 --> 33:03.988 and seeing all the hate 33:04.919 --> 33:07.019 towards Israel, all of the conspiracy theories, 33:07.199 --> 33:09.019 and it's fueling people to be hateful, 33:09.119 --> 33:10.599 anti-Semitic towards Jewish people. 33:10.679 --> 33:12.519 And I'm like, okay, well, the fruit of that is bad. 33:12.759 --> 33:14.559 Because I was sitting there and I was thinking about it 33:14.559 --> 33:15.538 during my quiet time, 33:15.539 --> 33:16.679 because it's like you get in God's presence, 33:16.759 --> 33:17.839 you feel the love of God. 33:18.279 --> 33:20.859 And it's like nothing from him 33:20.859 --> 33:23.399 would make me ever hate any people, 33:23.879 --> 33:25.479 any group of people. 33:25.473 --> 33:29.013 The love of God would make you want to see every single person saved. 33:29.013 --> 33:29.372 That's right. 33:29.373 --> 33:33.913 Especially a group of people that God has a prophetic calling and purpose for. 33:34.073 --> 33:39.033 But there's a huge uptick in anti-Semitism across the internet, 33:39.033 --> 33:41.013 and it's being fueled by conspiracy. 33:41.233 --> 33:43.893 And it's this conspiracy that Israel is evil 33:43.893 --> 33:46.573 and that Jewish people run the world. 33:46.567 --> 33:48.827 and the Jewish people are the cause of all of our problems. 33:48.827 --> 33:50.087 Yeah, it's evil. 33:50.447 --> 33:52.747 A lot of that begins with bad teaching. 33:53.007 --> 33:55.167 The only thing worse than no teaching is bad teaching. 33:55.587 --> 33:56.847 And you've got this mechanism. 33:57.087 --> 33:59.627 And the big concern I have today is there's so much, 33:59.667 --> 34:00.787 like you're saying, sensationalism, 34:00.847 --> 34:02.927 but it's also AI-motivated. 34:03.067 --> 34:05.487 It's also troll and bot farms 34:05.487 --> 34:08.827 that is totally being programmed to... 34:08.825 --> 34:12.625 mind program a generation to hate Jewish people, 34:12.625 --> 34:13.584 to go against Israel. 34:13.585 --> 34:16.465 Now, quite frankly, we've got America, 34:16.465 --> 34:18.505 we've got every nation, Israel, whatever. 34:18.505 --> 34:20.045 There's a deep state in every country. 34:20.283 --> 34:21.122 That's what I think. 34:21.123 --> 34:21.582 Yeah. 34:21.583 --> 34:24.163 Because it's like, how is the end times going to happen? 34:24.243 --> 34:25.303 There's going to have to be bad players. 34:25.563 --> 34:26.863 But I'm like, they're in every government. 34:26.923 --> 34:27.442 Yeah. 34:27.443 --> 34:28.583 Every people group. 34:28.683 --> 34:31.203 But as born again Bible believing people, 34:31.463 --> 34:34.083 you can't look at just their government policies. 34:34.243 --> 34:35.683 That's not what we're talking about. 34:35.763 --> 34:37.683 We're talking about God's promise to the land. 34:38.823 --> 34:40.743 You know, Israel had a lot of problems with God 34:40.743 --> 34:42.663 all through the Old Testament and even in the New. 34:42.946 --> 34:44.306 They had big issues. 34:44.406 --> 34:45.646 And the other thing is, and people are like, 34:45.706 --> 34:48.986 well, we're called to be New Testament Christians 34:48.986 --> 34:52.846 and we're saved in Jesus, 34:53.046 --> 34:55.106 but we're not supposed to follow the Jewish people. 34:55.206 --> 34:58.286 I'm like, newsflash, your Messiah is Jewish. 34:58.986 --> 35:00.085 He is Jewish. 35:00.086 --> 35:01.726 So I guess my takeaway, 35:01.906 --> 35:02.986 and maybe you can help me, Rebecca, 35:03.106 --> 35:05.366 is this, is that there's a political part of it 35:05.366 --> 35:07.486 that yeah, if they do something bad politically, okay. 35:07.766 --> 35:09.386 We're not gonna say that's great, 35:09.986 --> 35:12.646 but they also do a lot of good. 35:13.034 --> 35:16.154 But at the end of the day, it's the lens of scripture we have to look at. 35:16.494 --> 35:19.654 The promise God made with the land and the people and the future, 35:19.714 --> 35:20.954 even in the book of Revelation. 35:21.154 --> 35:21.613 Yeah. 35:21.614 --> 35:25.634 And that's my whole thing is like, there's a redemption where it says in, 35:25.654 --> 35:29.314 I think Zachariah, it's like, it says, they will look on me, those who have 35:29.314 --> 35:31.794 pierced me and they'll even like mourn. 35:31.794 --> 35:32.353 So good. 35:32.354 --> 35:34.814 There's going to be a, where their eyes are open. 35:35.294 --> 35:39.734 And the Bible says if their rejection meant the Gentiles come in. 35:39.834 --> 35:40.607 Yeah. 35:40.608 --> 35:43.528 then their acceptance will be life from the dead. 35:43.528 --> 35:44.868 And Jesus says himself, 35:44.868 --> 35:47.868 "'I will not return until you say, 35:47.868 --> 35:51.168 Baruch haba b'shem Adonai, 35:51.168 --> 35:53.108 blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" 35:53.108 --> 35:55.128 So good, come on. The Jewish people. 35:55.128 --> 35:57.988 So that's the thing that the enemy is trying to suppress 35:57.988 --> 36:01.028 because he's trying to take as much time as possible 36:01.448 --> 36:03.668 on the world stage is my belief. 36:03.668 --> 36:04.928 Absolutely. 36:04.928 --> 36:06.568 No, I think that he, 36:06.568 --> 36:08.788 well, you look at the pattern all throughout history. 36:08.788 --> 36:10.468 You look at it over and over and over, 36:10.468 --> 36:12.228 and the same pattern is, 36:12.228 --> 36:14.268 let's wipe out the Jewish population. 36:14.268 --> 36:15.227 Let's wipe out the nation, 36:15.228 --> 36:17.008 all the way up to the big deception 36:17.008 --> 36:18.888 that they're pushing today. 36:18.888 --> 36:19.908 I'm seeing this more and more. 36:19.908 --> 36:22.308 We gotta really tell viewers and listeners about this. 36:22.306 --> 36:26.726 But AI is supposedly translating Hitler's speeches 36:26.726 --> 36:29.606 that is basically saying, no, he was really a good guy. 36:29.606 --> 36:32.686 He was trying to, literally, I've heard so much of this now. 36:32.686 --> 36:35.566 He was literally trying to get rid of all this, 36:35.566 --> 36:37.366 immoral stuff and terrible things 36:37.366 --> 36:38.746 and the Jews that were taking over. 36:38.746 --> 36:40.486 And I'm watching so many people. 36:40.486 --> 36:42.926 And I remember prophesying about this 36:42.927 --> 36:44.247 a few years back where I said, 36:44.247 --> 36:46.607 they're gonna try to flip the script 36:46.607 --> 36:48.667 where they think the Holocaust didn't happen, 36:48.667 --> 36:50.207 that Hitler's a good guy. 36:50.207 --> 36:52.887 All these people that have persecuted Jews are good guys. 36:52.887 --> 36:54.647 And the Jews are really the problem. 36:54.647 --> 36:57.807 And I'm telling you, it's an end time deception. 36:57.807 --> 37:00.007 It's an end time narrative 37:00.007 --> 37:02.587 that wants to cause replacement theory to happen. 37:02.587 --> 37:04.047 Yeah, that doctrine. 37:04.612 --> 37:08.452 I know, and a lot of segments of the church actually believe in that, 37:08.532 --> 37:09.592 which is kind of crazy to me. 37:09.632 --> 37:10.892 I didn't realize how many did. 37:11.252 --> 37:11.551 Yeah. 37:11.552 --> 37:16.592 I think my question is, what can Christians do to safeguard against deception? 37:16.832 --> 37:17.111 Yeah. 37:17.112 --> 37:18.892 Because it is very intricate these days. 37:18.992 --> 37:19.491 It is. 37:19.492 --> 37:21.232 And we need to get a revival of the Bible. 37:21.412 --> 37:22.632 We need to start reading the Bible. 37:22.772 --> 37:23.571 That's what I think. 37:23.572 --> 37:23.811 Yeah. 37:23.812 --> 37:25.872 I think we're the most, like my generation under, 37:25.872 --> 37:29.932 I think it's the most doesn't, I mean, scripture illiterate. 37:29.992 --> 37:32.032 Yeah, and we can't cherry pick verses 37:32.032 --> 37:33.592 because they'll take one verse and say, 37:33.692 --> 37:34.732 see, that's talking about Israel. 37:34.892 --> 37:37.192 That's talking about, no, no, read the whole counsel of God. 37:37.312 --> 37:38.852 And if you read the whole Bible 37:38.852 --> 37:40.392 and you're really absorbed in it, 37:40.412 --> 37:41.692 you're not gonna come away and say, 37:41.772 --> 37:43.232 oh, God's done with Israel. 37:43.452 --> 37:45.392 You are not gonna come to that conclusion 37:45.392 --> 37:47.132 unless you cherry pick scriptures 37:47.132 --> 37:48.732 and talk to people that don't really know 37:48.732 --> 37:49.751 what they're talking about. 37:49.752 --> 37:50.351 That's the truth. 37:50.352 --> 37:52.852 And so it's really understanding God's word, 37:53.672 --> 37:55.432 being led by the spirit. 37:55.492 --> 37:56.992 Totally, totally. 37:57.092 --> 37:58.592 But how does someone not- 38:00.552 --> 38:02.593 Be deceived. 38:02.594 --> 38:04.814 Because what if they think they're hearing God, 38:04.814 --> 38:06.114 but they're hearing something else? 38:06.114 --> 38:08.074 Well, again, you gotta be a lover of the truth. 38:08.074 --> 38:10.574 That's the big thing, a lover of the truth. 38:10.574 --> 38:11.634 And when you love the truth, 38:11.634 --> 38:13.354 that means you'll read the Bible 38:13.354 --> 38:15.454 until it starts talking back to you. 38:15.454 --> 38:16.774 And you say, well, what do you mean by that? 38:16.774 --> 38:19.254 Well, you'll read the Bible until you get past 38:19.254 --> 38:20.474 all the things you're hearing out here. 38:20.474 --> 38:21.614 And if you're not reading the Bible 38:21.614 --> 38:23.314 more than you're listening to podcasters 38:23.314 --> 38:25.094 and YouTubers and all that stuff, 38:25.094 --> 38:26.994 well, then you are very susceptible. 38:26.994 --> 38:28.054 You really are. 38:28.054 --> 38:29.654 In my own life just recently, 38:29.654 --> 38:31.474 in the last several weeks and all that, 38:31.670 --> 38:36.310 I've been challenged to read at least seven chapters a day, minimum, just to take it in. 38:36.350 --> 38:36.969 Now, that's me. 38:36.970 --> 38:37.909 Everybody's different. 38:37.910 --> 38:45.570 But I've been reading and reading and reading because I know with how strong things are getting in the world that I don't want to taint anything. 38:45.810 --> 38:47.230 I want the word of God. 38:47.290 --> 38:50.510 You have to safeguard yourself, especially because you're operating in the prophetic. 38:50.830 --> 38:51.249 Yeah. 38:51.250 --> 38:55.650 I remember Derek Prince, he said in a sermon that he was careful about— 38:55.649 --> 38:59.349 what he took in and he was like a philosophy. 38:59.349 --> 39:00.949 That's what his degree was from, from Cambridge. 39:00.949 --> 39:01.788 That was before he got saved. 39:01.789 --> 39:02.628 Brilliant guy, yeah. 39:02.629 --> 39:04.629 Yeah, but he was like, I don't take, 39:04.629 --> 39:05.849 I think he said at some point in his life, 39:05.849 --> 39:07.189 he only took in the Bible. 39:07.189 --> 39:08.028 That's so good. 39:08.029 --> 39:10.889 Because he just said, I don't want anything to taint. 39:10.889 --> 39:11.728 Yeah. 39:11.729 --> 39:12.568 Because as a teacher, 39:12.569 --> 39:14.369 so you feel the same way as a prophetic person. 39:14.369 --> 39:15.729 I do, you know, Smith Wigglesworth 39:15.729 --> 39:17.309 wouldn't even let a newspaper in his house. 39:17.309 --> 39:18.228 That's what Derek said. 39:18.229 --> 39:19.148 Yeah, did he say that? 39:19.149 --> 39:19.968 Yeah. 39:19.969 --> 39:21.869 Yeah, and he wouldn't let a newspaper in his house 39:21.869 --> 39:23.889 because he didn't want that unbelief in his house. 39:24.134 --> 39:25.593 Oh, that's powerful. 39:25.594 --> 39:26.153 That's wild. 39:26.154 --> 39:27.974 And I knew a guy who was mentored by Wigglesworth. 39:28.254 --> 39:29.654 He laid hands on me when I was a kid. 39:29.694 --> 39:31.954 I actually have a lamp that either came from his house 39:31.954 --> 39:34.654 or Smith Wigglesworth's house that he gave me. 39:35.054 --> 39:36.714 And I have it in my office today. 39:36.774 --> 39:38.574 It's just this really meaningful thing. 39:38.614 --> 39:40.094 And I'm like, I think Smith had this. 39:40.368 --> 39:41.408 That's so cool. 39:41.408 --> 39:43.948 I'd like to believe that anyway. 39:43.948 --> 39:46.208 But anyway, he wouldn't let those things in his house. 39:46.208 --> 39:49.128 And today, think about that's him raising people 39:49.128 --> 39:52.048 from the dead, wouldn't let a newspaper in his house. 39:52.048 --> 39:56.248 And today we have nonstop doom scrolling and all this stuff. 39:56.248 --> 39:58.248 And to do what we do, we have to be a part of it. 39:58.248 --> 40:00.808 And I think somewhere in the mix, 40:00.808 --> 40:02.988 we've got to really dive into the Word of God 40:02.980 --> 40:05.080 mix it with our faith, love the truth, 40:05.080 --> 40:07.620 and that's how you begin to avoid deception. 40:07.620 --> 40:10.120 There's only one way, and it's the Bible. 40:10.120 --> 40:12.220 You read it and read it and mix it with your faith, 40:12.220 --> 40:15.100 not just intellectually, you read it with your heart. 40:15.100 --> 40:16.100 You read the word of God 40:16.100 --> 40:18.560 till it starts talking back to you on the inside, 40:18.560 --> 40:19.920 till you start to think the word, 40:19.920 --> 40:21.960 till you start to have conviction with the word. 40:21.960 --> 40:24.000 Then you know you're not gonna be deceived. 40:24.209 --> 40:26.509 You really allow the word to read you. 40:26.589 --> 40:27.488 Yeah. 40:27.489 --> 40:27.888 Yes. 40:27.889 --> 40:31.529 You know, and you really put yourself like vulnerably before the Lord and say, okay. 40:31.649 --> 40:32.408 That's right. 40:32.409 --> 40:34.089 And you really humble yourself. 40:34.429 --> 40:34.868 Yeah. 40:34.869 --> 40:36.289 But yeah, I think that's a huge issue. 40:36.389 --> 40:40.569 I think just people are spending way more time online, on apps, on podcasts. 40:40.709 --> 40:42.949 I mean, this is a podcast, but we'll tell you straight up. 40:43.009 --> 40:44.029 This is a good podcast. 40:44.029 --> 40:46.689 This can't replace your quiet time. 40:47.409 --> 40:49.009 And you gotta be in the word. 40:49.249 --> 40:49.993 Yeah, that's right. 40:49.994 --> 40:51.454 And I just don't think a lot of, 40:51.454 --> 40:53.534 I hate to say this, because it's like, I don't know. 40:53.534 --> 40:55.294 I mean, I don't know what every church in America, 40:55.294 --> 40:57.454 and I'm always focusing from America, 40:57.454 --> 40:59.454 but it's like, I do think there is a lack 40:59.454 --> 41:01.874 of biblical teaching. 41:01.874 --> 41:02.713 There is. 41:02.714 --> 41:03.974 Or it's like kind of shallow. 41:03.974 --> 41:05.634 Yeah, motivational messages, 41:05.634 --> 41:08.714 God loves you no matter what, all that, which is true, 41:08.714 --> 41:10.714 but you have to have the whole counsel of God 41:10.714 --> 41:11.934 to really be going forward. 41:11.934 --> 41:16.654 So I believe this coming year, we're in for collisions. 41:16.657 --> 41:18.857 I believe we are in for a shaking, 41:18.857 --> 41:20.977 but I do believe this, that the Lord, 41:20.977 --> 41:22.977 if we will continue to be loyal to Jesus, 41:22.977 --> 41:25.177 we'll continue to do the things we're supposed to do, 41:25.177 --> 41:27.017 get the word of God in our heart, in our mind, 41:27.017 --> 41:28.857 in our actions, in our mouth, 41:28.857 --> 41:31.537 I believe that we'll see the turning of what's happening. 41:31.537 --> 41:32.877 You know, when Charlie Kirk, you know, 41:32.877 --> 41:36.937 I was thinking about him, when his assassination happened, 41:37.817 --> 41:39.137 the Lord spoke to me about something, 41:39.137 --> 41:41.057 and I believe it's gonna manifest strongly 41:41.057 --> 41:43.597 this coming year now, it's already happening. 41:44.028 --> 41:46.448 But when his assassination happened, I saw this surge, 41:46.448 --> 41:48.928 and you saw it, everybody saw it, we've talked about it. 41:48.928 --> 41:50.388 Suddenly everybody's worshiping God. 41:50.388 --> 41:52.808 We got Elon Musk at the arena 41:52.808 --> 41:54.948 in praise and worship for hours. 41:54.948 --> 41:56.308 All these people are experiencing, 41:56.308 --> 41:58.908 it was as if revival broke out politically 41:58.908 --> 42:00.128 and across the nation. 42:00.128 --> 42:03.348 And the Lord pulled me back when that happened. 42:03.348 --> 42:04.528 And I said, what was this about? 42:04.528 --> 42:05.528 I was actually gonna go to the event, 42:05.528 --> 42:06.948 and the Lord said, stay here. 42:06.948 --> 42:08.328 I was like, okay. 42:08.328 --> 42:11.908 And he said, now watch for strange fire. 42:12.057 --> 42:15.637 In other words, what we're seeing right now is good. 42:15.637 --> 42:16.476 This isn't bad. 42:16.477 --> 42:17.537 This is a good thing. 42:17.537 --> 42:19.197 You know, what's happening through Turning Point 42:19.197 --> 42:20.679 and all the people 42:20.680 --> 42:26.380 waking up to Jesus and even politicians are shouting the name Jesus. That's good. But if 42:26.380 --> 42:32.460 the devil can't beat the church, he does the next best thing. He tries to join it through ideology. 42:33.080 --> 42:37.840 And so what's happening is a good thing. We're seeing revival. We're seeing young people come 42:37.840 --> 42:42.920 to Jesus, amazing things, but there's also this counter revolution that's happening and it's 42:42.920 --> 42:47.400 filled with strange fire. And I believe that is something that we're going to step into in 2026 42:52.040 --> 42:53.939 at a heightened level. 42:53.167 --> 42:55.026 sentiment we're seeing out there. 42:53.940 --> 42:55.027 And part of that is the anti-Semitic. 42:55.027 --> 42:57.386 And also the thing that we're gonna see 42:57.387 --> 43:01.366 is I believe the Lord wants to expose 43:01.367 --> 43:03.786 some of these wicked elite players more than ever in 2026, 43:03.787 --> 43:05.646 which means they're gonna pull out all the stops 43:05.647 --> 43:10.186 to continue polluting our land, 43:10.187 --> 43:11.746 to continue bringing in Islamic extremists, 43:11.747 --> 43:14.346 to do all the things that they wanna do 43:14.347 --> 43:18.146 because they know if they don't pull the trigger now, 43:18.147 --> 43:19.039 if they don't go all out now, that they will be uncovered. 43:19.040 --> 43:21.539 And that is happening. 43:21.540 --> 43:23.659 So we're seeing the way that Bill Gates, for example, 43:23.660 --> 43:26.299 is blasting the atmosphere with stuff 43:26.300 --> 43:28.059 trying to induce the very climate change he says is here. 43:28.060 --> 43:30.459 They're trying to make it so. 43:30.460 --> 43:33.259 That's all the things you see, chemtrails, whatever. 43:33.260 --> 43:35.359 You see this happening in technology. 43:35.360 --> 43:37.090 And here's a word that I have about AI. 43:39.070 --> 43:40.989 And Rebecca, this is important. 43:40.990 --> 43:42.949 Regarding AI, everybody's saying, 43:42.950 --> 43:45.029 "'No, listen, the singularity is coming. 43:45.030 --> 43:48.729 It's going to take over.'" 43:48.730 --> 43:52.129 And I keep hearing in my spirit, I keep hearing this, 43:52.130 --> 43:53.229 they're saying, AI has a mind of its own. 43:53.230 --> 43:54.369 We don't know how it operates. 43:54.370 --> 43:55.309 It just kind of does what it does. 43:55.310 --> 43:57.606 We let it do it. 43:57.607 --> 44:01.606 but that's not what I hear in my spirit. 44:01.607 --> 44:03.426 I hear that there's no way that these elite rulers 44:03.427 --> 44:06.206 would ever let that be the case. 44:06.207 --> 44:09.186 In other words, there are people at the top 44:09.187 --> 44:10.826 that are absolutely marshalling this scenario 44:10.827 --> 44:13.526 and then telling the masses, 44:13.527 --> 44:14.786 AI is going to take over, AI has got this, 44:14.787 --> 44:15.786 it's going to run our governments, 44:15.787 --> 44:17.506 it's going to do all these things. 44:17.507 --> 44:20.885 And so it's like a... 44:20.886 --> 44:22.505 a trained mechanism that's coming into the culture of like, 44:22.506 --> 44:24.705 well, we don't know what AI is going to do. 44:24.706 --> 44:26.205 Oh, the government just says free reign of AI. 44:26.206 --> 44:28.225 It's going to do all these things. 44:28.226 --> 44:29.745 In other words, nobody can tamper with it. 44:29.746 --> 44:31.545 The government just federally said 44:31.546 --> 44:34.745 that only the government can control it, 44:34.746 --> 44:37.274 but we're going to let it just have unfettered development. 44:37.275 --> 44:39.834 I believe this, when I pray into that, 44:39.835 --> 44:41.954 I believe there are people at the top of this 44:41.955 --> 44:45.074 that are absolutely pulling the strings 44:45.075 --> 44:47.354 and they are in control of it, acting as if they're not. 44:47.355 --> 44:48.994 And that way they have plausible deniability 44:48.995 --> 44:51.314 when this stuff starts really doing things. 44:51.315 --> 44:52.214 And they're like, oh, we never knew it would do that. 44:52.215 --> 44:56.095 We never knew it would. 44:56.096 --> 44:58.935 enforce our ideology and our agenda, who knew that? 44:58.936 --> 44:59.975 And they would begin to propagate that on the culture. 44:59.976 --> 45:02.635 I believe that's one thing. 45:02.636 --> 45:05.215 And I believe if we pray, we can see that get uncovered 45:05.216 --> 45:08.475 where we realize, yes, it's a high tech, 45:08.476 --> 45:10.975 it does amazing things and nefarious things, 45:10.976 --> 45:12.655 but there are puppet masters behind it. 45:12.656 --> 45:15.355 I believe that needs to be revealed 45:15.356 --> 45:16.155 and I sense it so powerfully in my spirit. 45:16.156 --> 45:19.928 That's coming. 45:19.929 --> 45:23.748 That's really powerful because that is totally what we've been conditioned to think, 45:23.749 --> 45:26.568 that it's just going to be its own entity that's just operating. 45:26.569 --> 45:26.908 But it makes way more sense that someone would be controlling it. 45:26.909 --> 45:32.108 Yes. 45:32.109 --> 45:32.828 But that gets them out of being in trouble, held responsible for whatever AI does. 45:32.829 --> 45:33.708 Absolutely. 45:33.709 --> 45:35.048 So that's a word of wisdom. 45:35.049 --> 45:36.268 Because they can say, we're one of you. 45:36.269 --> 45:37.788 We're pointing at it together. 45:37.789 --> 45:42.388 And they're the ones making it happen. 45:42.389 --> 45:43.668 It's like every big smokescreen false flag event that you would ever see in the culture. 45:43.669 --> 45:45.524 That's what they're doing. 45:45.525 --> 45:48.504 Can you tell the story in the Bible 45:48.505 --> 45:49.724 for those who don't know the strange fire reference? 45:49.725 --> 45:52.824 Yeah, you know what? 45:52.825 --> 45:53.664 I have to actually get you the scripture reference for it. 45:53.665 --> 45:54.504 Let me find it. 45:54.505 --> 45:55.344 I should look it up. 45:55.345 --> 45:56.184 Look it up, yeah. 45:56.185 --> 45:57.044 Because I know it's- 45:57.045 --> 45:59.009 I've heard that term. 45:59.010 --> 46:00.109 It's from the Old Testament. 46:00.110 --> 46:02.589 It certainly is. 46:02.590 --> 46:03.329 It's strange fire is... 46:03.330 --> 46:06.729 Not asking AI. 46:06.730 --> 46:12.189 Yeah, let's have AI figure it out since it's all knowing. 46:12.190 --> 46:13.729 Strange fire is when the people lit their own fire 46:13.730 --> 46:17.149 and it wasn't holy under the Lord. 46:17.150 --> 46:17.369 It was man-made fire and they lit it themselves. 46:17.370 --> 46:18.348 Yes. 46:18.349 --> 46:18.888 It's from Leviticus. 46:18.889 --> 46:19.068 Yes, it is. 46:19.069 --> 46:29.069 Yep. 46:31.709 --> 46:35.408 And Nadab, hard name, and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, so the priestly line, took either of them, his censer, and put fire therein and put strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. 46:35.409 --> 46:35.968 And there went out the fire from the Lord and devoured them and they died. 46:35.969 --> 46:38.968 That's right. 46:38.969 --> 46:40.315 So they were doing something they weren't supposed to be doing with something as priests. 46:40.316 --> 46:42.155 That's right. 46:42.156 --> 46:44.215 Unholy fire, unauthorized fire. 46:44.216 --> 46:46.875 Fire that God did not command. 46:46.876 --> 46:48.595 Worship being done in their own way, 46:48.596 --> 46:49.995 which we see multiple times in scripture. 46:49.996 --> 46:51.016 God convicts that. 46:53.296 --> 46:54.296 Irreverence, disobedience, man-made worship. 46:56.456 --> 46:58.355 And then Numbers also talks about it. 46:58.356 --> 46:58.595 It happened in Numbers too. 46:58.596 --> 46:59.641 Yeah. 47:02.521 --> 47:04.600 Yeah, is it the same group or different thing? 47:04.601 --> 47:07.820 Because the word's strong in me, strange fire. 47:07.821 --> 47:10.120 And I just knew that they had lit fire. 47:10.121 --> 47:12.240 So it's the priest that did it apparently. 47:12.241 --> 47:14.320 They lit fire that was not under the unction 47:14.321 --> 47:15.400 or origin of God. 47:15.401 --> 47:16.240 They lit their own fire. 47:16.241 --> 47:17.080 Yeah. 47:17.081 --> 47:18.600 Yeah. 47:18.601 --> 47:22.880 And- 47:22.881 --> 47:23.720 Yep, it was Aaron's sons, but Numbers refers to it too. 47:23.721 --> 47:25.080 The same event. 47:25.081 --> 47:26.240 Yeah, same, that's why they died, 47:26.241 --> 47:30.776 because of the strange fire. 47:30.777 --> 47:33.556 So I have a parallel scripture in the New Testament. 47:33.557 --> 47:35.796 And strange fire is going to be, 47:35.797 --> 47:38.596 it kind of looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, 47:38.597 --> 47:39.867 it does all these things, but it is not the genuine article. 47:39.868 --> 47:40.927 This is the thing that we're gonna- 47:40.928 --> 47:41.667 That's probably one of the most dangerous things 47:41.668 --> 47:42.307 that you could do. 47:42.308 --> 47:44.147 It really is. 47:44.148 --> 47:45.547 And I believe that is what we're in danger of 47:45.548 --> 47:47.347 if we're not lovers of the truth, 47:47.348 --> 47:48.747 if we don't continue to follow the Lord 47:48.748 --> 47:50.787 with conviction in the word of God. 47:50.788 --> 47:51.427 And so I'll give you this scripture in the New Testament, 47:51.428 --> 47:52.107 which is- 47:52.108 --> 47:53.147 And they were priests too. 47:53.148 --> 47:55.307 That's the other big, 47:55.308 --> 47:56.747 because they can be God's own people 47:56.748 --> 47:57.727 with the priestly calling. 47:57.728 --> 47:58.967 Yeah, that's good. 47:58.968 --> 48:00.447 Misusing things. 48:00.448 --> 48:00.747 Sadly, that's very accurate. 48:00.748 --> 48:02.704 Yeah. 48:02.705 --> 48:04.044 That's like Eli's wicked sons. 48:04.045 --> 48:05.584 He had those two derelict sons. 48:05.585 --> 48:07.264 I think it's Hophni and Phinehas. 48:07.265 --> 48:08.564 And they went down this road. 48:08.565 --> 48:10.784 They did all the same things. 48:10.785 --> 48:11.785 And oh my goodness. 48:12.745 --> 48:14.244 Hophni and Phinehas. 48:14.245 --> 48:20.184 It's interesting. 48:20.185 --> 48:21.704 When Samuel was at Shiloh and the Ark of the Covenant, it was under their care. 48:21.705 --> 48:22.104 And these guys were just dirtbags. 48:22.105 --> 48:23.064 Awful. 48:23.065 --> 48:26.634 They were just dirtbags. 48:26.635 --> 48:28.974 When the Philistines invaded and they were attacked, 48:28.975 --> 48:30.774 the people cried out and demanded 48:30.775 --> 48:32.454 to go get the Ark of the Covenant. 48:32.455 --> 48:34.774 The Lord showed me this. 48:34.775 --> 48:35.774 To go get the Ark of the Covenant 48:35.775 --> 48:36.614 and to bring it into battle, 48:36.615 --> 48:37.854 because then they'd win, 48:37.855 --> 48:40.014 and Hophni and Phinehas were reluctant. 48:40.015 --> 48:42.054 They didn't even want to go, but they were forced to go. 48:42.055 --> 48:44.314 They brought the Ark of the Covenant, and this is crazy. 48:44.315 --> 48:46.114 In that narrative, I think it's 1 Samuel, 48:46.115 --> 48:46.974 when they showed up to the battle 48:46.975 --> 48:49.954 with the Ark of the Covenant, 48:49.955 --> 48:51.574 it says the people of Israel shouted so loudly 48:51.575 --> 48:54.512 that it shook the ground. 48:54.513 --> 48:56.812 And the Philistines were terrified by this. 48:56.813 --> 48:59.052 And the ark shows up and the ground is shaking. 48:59.053 --> 49:00.352 And they thought, oh no, the God of Israel is among us. 49:00.353 --> 49:02.672 But it was strange fire. 49:02.673 --> 49:04.132 It was a strange, it was a manmade thing. 49:04.133 --> 49:07.372 So when they brought it there, 49:07.373 --> 49:08.427 they went to battle and Israel lost. 49:08.428 --> 49:10.787 They took the ark, they stole it. 49:10.788 --> 49:11.687 But here's what I heard about this from the spirit. 49:11.688 --> 49:13.787 I thought, wow. 49:13.788 --> 49:15.727 But there was this shout in the camp 49:15.728 --> 49:18.487 and the Lord said, there can be a carnal shout 49:18.488 --> 49:19.827 that sounds so loud, so overwhelming 49:19.828 --> 49:21.027 that this is revival. 49:21.028 --> 49:21.947 Something's taking place. 49:21.948 --> 49:22.947 It's strange fire. 49:22.948 --> 49:26.087 The ground shook. 49:26.088 --> 49:27.727 Even the enemies thought, oh no, they're gonna win. 49:27.728 --> 49:28.387 And then the bad guys- 49:28.388 --> 49:29.187 God wasn't- 49:29.188 --> 49:30.587 God wasn't in the shout. 49:30.588 --> 49:32.327 Because they would never been able to take the ark 49:32.328 --> 49:34.065 if God's presence was- 49:34.066 --> 49:35.125 Yeah, well, God wasn't in the shout. 49:35.126 --> 49:35.605 Or if God blessed it. 49:35.606 --> 49:36.765 That's right. 49:36.766 --> 49:37.425 Yeah, because he was in the ark. 49:37.426 --> 49:39.665 So good. 49:39.666 --> 49:42.765 God was not in the shout though, right? 49:42.766 --> 49:46.345 And so we see this 1 John 2. 49:46.346 --> 49:47.485 1 John 2, it says this in verse 26. 49:47.486 --> 49:49.805 These things I've written to you 49:49.806 --> 49:52.545 concerning those who try to deceive you. 49:52.546 --> 49:55.025 Verse 27, but the anointing 49:55.026 --> 49:57.205 which you have received from him abides in you 49:57.206 --> 49:58.885 and you do not need that anyone teach you. 49:58.886 --> 50:01.745 But as the same anointing teaches you 50:01.746 --> 50:03.652 concerning all things and is true. 50:03.653 --> 50:06.872 and is not a lie. 50:06.873 --> 50:09.912 And just as it has taught you, you will abide in him. 50:09.913 --> 50:13.112 What I'm saying about this is there's a true anointing 50:13.113 --> 50:14.792 and an anointing that is a lie, a false anointing. 50:14.793 --> 50:17.272 That is strange fire. 50:17.273 --> 50:20.052 The strange fire in the New Testament era 50:20.053 --> 50:23.012 is when people, they... 50:23.013 --> 50:24.572 have a form of godliness, but deny the power of, 50:24.573 --> 50:26.312 they don't have the word of God living in them. 50:26.313 --> 50:28.992 So they have kind of a form of religion. 50:28.993 --> 50:32.692 They act a certain way to get a certain result. 50:32.693 --> 50:34.812 And that is strange fire, a false anointing. 50:34.813 --> 50:35.860 I believe that's what we're facing right now. 50:38.480 --> 50:39.719 And so do you think like with Charlie Kirk, 50:39.720 --> 50:42.479 all the good that was happening, 50:42.480 --> 50:43.899 do you think the strange fire was to hijack the situation 50:43.900 --> 50:46.819 and use it for their own false purposes? 50:46.820 --> 50:48.160 100%, politically on both sides. 50:50.200 --> 50:52.039 Politically, and I'm not pointing at anybody, 50:52.040 --> 50:53.819 I love the administration we have. 50:53.820 --> 50:55.519 I'm praying for them. 50:55.520 --> 50:57.199 I think we got really good characters there 50:57.200 --> 50:59.206 and some not good characters. 50:59.207 --> 51:02.246 But I do believe that to your point, Rebecca. 51:02.247 --> 51:03.826 I think that they are truly trying to hijack things 51:03.827 --> 51:05.546 that have influence and power, 51:05.547 --> 51:08.706 even if it's in the name of God. 51:08.707 --> 51:12.618 And there's a strange fire in the mix with this. 51:12.619 --> 51:13.718 And you think that's the enemy's way of trying to like push back revival? 51:13.719 --> 51:14.658 I totally do. 51:14.659 --> 51:15.818 Kind of hijack it? 51:15.819 --> 51:19.478 Totally, hijack it. 51:19.479 --> 51:20.738 Yeah, it just feels like it was so good at first and it just felt like it totally got hijacked. 51:20.739 --> 51:27.738 And now there's so much confusion. 51:27.739 --> 51:28.358 And I'm always just like, okay, well, if God is moving and something's good and then there's confusion, I know that's the enemy. 51:28.359 --> 51:29.358 It is. 51:29.359 --> 51:30.658 He's the author of confusion. 51:30.659 --> 51:31.718 God is a God of order. 51:31.719 --> 51:32.618 He is a God of order. 51:32.619 --> 51:33.618 He's not a God of confusion. 51:33.619 --> 51:35.527 He is a God of order. 51:35.528 --> 51:36.427 Yeah, and you know, I just want to say this 51:36.428 --> 51:38.707 to all your listeners too, 51:38.708 --> 51:40.427 when they're listening to this, this podcast, 51:40.428 --> 51:42.447 the Rebecca Wise podcast, 51:42.448 --> 51:44.267 they're going to find order in their mind. 51:44.268 --> 51:46.507 They're going to find the word of the Lord. 51:46.508 --> 51:48.027 This is a really good stream to help people 51:48.028 --> 51:50.827 right-size in their thinking, 51:50.828 --> 51:52.767 to start to stand up in their heart and their mind. 51:52.768 --> 51:56.547 And what we see in the culture right now 51:56.548 --> 51:59.027 is so devoid of really clear understanding. 51:59.028 --> 52:02.196 It's out there, there's good stuff out there. 52:02.197 --> 52:04.556 But the strange fire narrative is actually very appealing. 52:04.557 --> 52:06.916 It's more appealing than doing the basics. 52:06.917 --> 52:08.456 It's more appealing than locking in 52:08.457 --> 52:10.636 and getting the word of the Lord for you. 52:10.637 --> 52:14.876 It's more appealing to your flesh, 52:14.877 --> 52:17.036 but your spirit will be pleased with doing the basics. 52:17.037 --> 52:18.736 Yes, it'll make you feel alive. 52:18.737 --> 52:20.876 It'll answer the fight inside. 52:20.877 --> 52:23.136 Conspiracies don't answer the fight inside. 52:23.137 --> 52:25.536 Strange fires certainly won't answer the fight inside. 52:25.537 --> 52:27.950 It's a form of godliness, like a religion. 52:27.951 --> 52:29.030 But when you really get the word of God living in you 52:29.031 --> 52:30.290 and you're a lover of the truth 52:30.291 --> 52:32.330 and you mix it with your faith, 52:32.331 --> 52:34.070 it'll begin to answer the fight inside. 52:34.071 --> 52:36.910 Other things start to fall to the wayside. 52:36.911 --> 52:39.190 You realize God really loves me and I sense him 52:39.191 --> 52:40.770 because I've been fellowshipping with him through his word, 52:40.771 --> 52:43.290 through praying in the spirit. 52:43.291 --> 52:44.730 You'll overcome this present evil age, 52:44.731 --> 52:46.990 but there takes effort with that. 52:46.991 --> 52:48.290 It takes effort to discipline what you're looking at, 52:48.291 --> 52:49.130 what you're not looking at. 52:49.131 --> 52:51.690 It takes effort. 52:51.691 --> 52:52.530 It takes discipline and submission and obedience. 52:52.531 --> 52:53.530 Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. 52:53.531 --> 52:54.450 No, it's great. 52:54.451 --> 52:57.374 I'm agreeing with you. 52:57.375 --> 52:59.474 Well, I think what I want to say to like the audience who's listening, 52:59.475 --> 53:00.154 because even thinking about your calling as a watchman. 53:00.155 --> 53:01.694 Yeah. 53:01.695 --> 53:03.296 And God showing you things. 53:03.297 --> 53:05.076 That's very biblical. 53:05.077 --> 53:06.956 Watchman's all throughout scripture. 53:06.957 --> 53:08.616 Intercession is all throughout scripture. 53:08.617 --> 53:09.456 And I think prayer is one of the most powerful tools 53:09.457 --> 53:11.416 God gives us. 53:11.417 --> 53:12.836 And I think that's why the enemy tries to make it seem 53:12.837 --> 53:13.316 like it's actually not powerful. 53:13.317 --> 53:14.396 That's right. 53:14.397 --> 53:14.956 It's actually really powerful. 53:14.957 --> 53:17.576 Yes. 53:17.577 --> 53:20.956 But I think the word of wisdom, 53:20.957 --> 53:22.477 and you can just add onto this or however, or correct it. 53:24.337 --> 53:26.096 To people who are watching is that 53:26.097 --> 53:27.776 don't be led by your flesh. 53:27.777 --> 53:29.056 Don't do what's appealing to your flesh 53:29.057 --> 53:30.236 and don't give yourself a calling 53:30.237 --> 53:31.176 that God isn't giving you. 53:31.177 --> 53:31.476 Oh, that's good, Rebecca. 53:31.477 --> 53:36.557 Yeah. 53:36.558 --> 53:38.357 But it's like, submit your, humble yourself before the Lord and say, God, in this age, 53:38.358 --> 53:42.897 what are you calling me to do? 53:42.898 --> 53:44.997 And give me the wisdom and do only what God is telling you to do. 53:44.998 --> 53:45.317 Nothing more, nothing less. 53:45.318 --> 53:47.177 Yep. 53:47.178 --> 53:51.097 And just, it's about obedience. 53:51.098 --> 53:52.217 It's like Samuel said to Saul, obedience is better than sacrifice. 53:52.218 --> 53:54.417 Don't... 53:54.418 --> 53:55.977 do something that you think is great and amazing. 53:55.978 --> 53:57.777 Like Saul did, look, I have all this stuff 53:57.778 --> 54:00.557 that I can give to the Lord. 54:00.558 --> 54:01.777 And Samuel's like, God never asked you to do that. 54:01.778 --> 54:04.017 And so that's the wisdom, 54:04.018 --> 54:06.477 because they think people in pride could listen to this 54:06.478 --> 54:08.517 and go, I'm gonna be a watchman and I'm gonna da, da, da. 54:08.518 --> 54:09.817 And it's like, if you don't have the wisdom of God, 54:09.818 --> 54:12.597 you're gonna get yourself in trouble, 54:12.598 --> 54:13.917 just like the two sons of Aaron did. 54:13.918 --> 54:15.557 You know, the sons of Sceva, 54:15.558 --> 54:17.257 when they try to go cast out a demon, 54:17.258 --> 54:19.019 but they're coming from their flesh. 54:19.020 --> 54:20.359 And the demon was like, I don't know who you are. 54:20.360 --> 54:22.979 I know Jesus and Paul. 54:22.980 --> 54:24.299 And then literally beat the sons up. 54:24.300 --> 54:27.359 You could be opening the door 54:27.360 --> 54:28.359 to even attack in your life if you do that. 54:28.360 --> 54:32.639 You could, yes. 54:32.640 --> 54:35.139 So it's like, be led by God, called by God 54:35.140 --> 54:37.739 and stay humble, stay in the word. 54:37.740 --> 54:39.019 And God will show you what to do in this age 54:39.020 --> 54:41.419 to make the most impact. 54:41.420 --> 54:43.119 And I think that's where you get into the strange fire 54:43.120 --> 54:43.939 is even people with good intention. 54:43.940 --> 54:46.032 Oh yeah, yeah. 54:46.033 --> 54:48.192 are doing a lot of damage. 54:48.193 --> 54:50.792 And sometimes, I remember Derek Prince, 54:50.793 --> 54:53.212 and it just gave me so much clarity in my own life. 54:53.213 --> 54:55.632 He was like, the hardest people, he says, 54:55.633 --> 54:58.032 to deal with are people with two spirits. 54:58.033 --> 55:00.072 People with the Holy Spirit who are spirit-filled, 55:00.073 --> 55:01.032 but are under demonic influence as well. 55:01.033 --> 55:03.152 And I think that's what we're seeing 55:03.153 --> 55:05.072 with a lot of players on the main stage now. 55:05.073 --> 55:07.592 It's people who want to do well, 55:07.593 --> 55:09.621 but they're being deceived and they're causing more damage. 55:09.622 --> 55:11.181 Two spirits. 55:11.182 --> 55:13.301 You know, a lot of people immediately say, 55:13.302 --> 55:15.081 no, Christians can't have this or that or that or that. 55:15.082 --> 55:16.841 They can have whatever they want. 55:16.842 --> 55:19.001 You know, so when you're talking about this, 55:19.002 --> 55:20.861 that is such wisdom you're laying down right now. 55:20.862 --> 55:24.041 It's blessing me big time. 55:24.042 --> 55:27.414 It really is because when people, 55:27.415 --> 55:30.534 walked on these avenues and you see whatever it is, 55:30.535 --> 55:33.074 ministry or watchmen or prophetic things, 55:33.075 --> 55:34.394 today the danger is you don't need to go 55:34.395 --> 55:38.794 through the fires of refinement. 55:38.795 --> 55:41.614 You don't need to be forged by the Lord into a weapon. 55:41.615 --> 55:44.054 You can just pick up your phone and go live. 55:44.055 --> 55:46.974 You can just do it and say whatever you think 55:46.975 --> 55:49.054 comes to your special brain, right? 55:49.055 --> 55:51.399 And when you go down that avenue, 55:51.400 --> 55:54.699 That is welcoming strange fire. 55:54.700 --> 55:57.839 I'm not saying you shouldn't say your thoughts or go online, 55:57.840 --> 56:00.719 but don't suppose to speak for the Lord 56:00.720 --> 56:02.219 if you don't truly have a burning word from Him. 56:02.220 --> 56:03.459 And you know the difference. 56:03.460 --> 56:05.439 You know the difference. 56:05.440 --> 56:07.219 You know when God puts fire in your bones 56:07.220 --> 56:09.899 and you must do what He's asking you to do. 56:09.900 --> 56:12.640 You know, like, woe is me if I don't preach the gospel. 56:12.641 --> 56:15.120 But people that just jump out ahead and they say, 56:15.121 --> 56:16.620 I wanna be a watchman, or I wanna do these kinds of things. 56:16.621 --> 56:18.280 There's a danger in that, 56:18.281 --> 56:20.940 that really will get you into strange fire 56:20.941 --> 56:24.020 because you will trade the truth of God 56:24.021 --> 56:27.360 for the attention of man or the lie. 56:27.361 --> 56:29.380 And that is the false anointing, strange fire. 56:29.381 --> 56:31.240 And that is part of what we're talking about. 56:31.241 --> 56:32.702 And I think the Lord's guiding this conversation. 56:32.703 --> 56:35.022 Yeah, that's really powerful. 56:35.023 --> 56:37.922 And I think when people are doing it 56:37.923 --> 56:40.162 and they're not under God's calling or his authority 56:40.163 --> 56:41.002 and they're getting the applause of man 56:41.003 --> 56:43.182 and they're getting growth 56:43.183 --> 56:45.782 just because someone has growth or followers 56:45.783 --> 56:48.142 or that doesn't necessarily mean it's not bad, 56:48.143 --> 56:48.942 but it doesn't mean that that's necessarily God. 56:48.943 --> 56:50.063 That's so good. 56:50.503 --> 56:53.621 And... 56:53.622 --> 56:55.421 if people are doing it for the wrong reasons, 56:55.422 --> 56:58.421 they can even turn, like you said, once again, 56:58.422 --> 57:01.741 to the strange fire to try to keep something going. 57:01.742 --> 57:04.041 To keep the people happy, to create some kind of, 57:04.042 --> 57:05.301 and then they could tap into even something demonic. 57:05.302 --> 57:06.881 They sure could. 57:06.882 --> 57:08.741 To get some kind of spiritual. 57:08.742 --> 57:09.581 Oh, Rebecca, I've seen that personally. 57:09.582 --> 57:10.421 So have I. 57:10.422 --> 57:11.341 Have you really? Yes. 57:11.342 --> 57:12.801 Oh, you've been around a little bit. 57:12.802 --> 57:14.001 You've seen some stuff. 57:14.002 --> 57:16.836 I'll tell you. 57:16.837 --> 57:18.396 It's like Saul, he, it's like when the Lord left Saul 57:18.397 --> 57:21.396 and that was someone who was called. 57:21.397 --> 57:23.696 When the Lord left Saul for his disobedience, 57:23.697 --> 57:25.617 he then consulted a witch. 57:27.997 --> 57:30.796 So it's like, you can tap into something 57:30.797 --> 57:32.216 because he was still trying to be king. 57:32.217 --> 57:33.576 He didn't have the anointing. 57:33.577 --> 57:35.251 He didn't have God's presence anymore. 57:35.252 --> 57:36.711 So strong. 57:36.712 --> 57:38.631 That's so true. 57:38.632 --> 57:39.891 Because you start to not know the difference. 57:39.892 --> 57:42.111 What was it like Samson? 57:42.112 --> 57:42.951 He didn't even, the spirit of God left him, right? 57:42.952 --> 57:43.791 When he did the thing. 57:43.792 --> 57:45.191 But when- 57:45.192 --> 57:46.392 And that's why David's like, don't leave me. 57:48.132 --> 57:48.971 Because it was different under the Old Testament. 57:48.972 --> 57:51.451 Amen. 57:51.452 --> 57:53.471 And so in that, David knew that he was a goner 57:53.472 --> 57:55.122 if he didn't have the presence of God. 57:55.123 --> 57:56.962 That's what sets people apart. 57:56.963 --> 58:00.222 And that's really going back to your verse in John, 58:00.223 --> 58:02.702 where it's like those of you who have been born again, 58:02.703 --> 58:04.542 who have faith in Christ will overcome the world. 58:04.543 --> 58:05.382 It just circles right back to that. 58:05.383 --> 58:07.122 It does. 58:07.123 --> 58:09.122 Which is that that's what sets us apart 58:09.123 --> 58:11.122 and that's who we put our hope in. 58:11.123 --> 58:12.122 And that's who we're serving and obeying 58:12.123 --> 58:14.082 and who we're being led by. 58:14.083 --> 58:15.802 We're not getting caught up in the swirl 58:15.803 --> 58:18.502 going on in the world. 58:18.503 --> 58:20.622 You know, Rebecca, I gotta tell you something. 58:20.623 --> 58:22.762 I believe the Lord has called you 58:22.763 --> 58:25.199 to bring correction to goofy gifts. 58:25.200 --> 58:29.019 I think the Lord calls you in that space 58:29.020 --> 58:31.739 and the gift of wisdom will come through you as you speak. 58:31.740 --> 58:34.839 And there'll be like a right sizing and a correction 58:34.840 --> 58:37.839 that comes to spirits, hearts, intentions, 58:37.840 --> 58:39.959 even as you speak, and you won't have to try to do it. 58:39.960 --> 58:42.039 The Lord's just gonna use that as part of your gift. 58:42.040 --> 58:44.499 It's like a word of wisdom gift 58:44.500 --> 58:47.279 that will come through you equal to prophecy. 58:47.280 --> 58:48.876 And I see it cutting right into people's hearts 58:48.877 --> 58:51.416 and the Lord uses you that way. 58:51.417 --> 58:52.516 And I think this podcast is gonna do more and more of that, 58:52.517 --> 58:53.556 where you're gonna really, 58:53.557 --> 58:54.916 people that are kind of like, 58:54.917 --> 58:56.596 oh, I'm gonna listen to that, that sounds fun. 58:56.597 --> 58:57.996 All of a sudden, they're gonna find their heart 58:57.997 --> 59:00.116 kind of impacted. 59:00.117 --> 59:02.396 And then they're gonna find their heart 59:02.397 --> 59:04.836 having access by the Lord. 59:04.837 --> 59:06.716 And then they're gonna say, I need to change some things. 59:06.717 --> 59:08.896 I think you have an anointing for that. 59:08.897 --> 59:11.396 And I feel it right now while we're talking. 59:11.397 --> 59:14.996 That's why the Lord's been taking this direction. 59:14.997 --> 59:16.056 People that are playing patty cake with strange fire, 59:16.057 --> 59:19.206 they might not even know it. 59:19.207 --> 59:21.326 they might think, oh, you know, this is how you do it. 59:21.327 --> 59:21.846 Because we got this hustle culture, right? 59:21.847 --> 59:22.886 Yeah. 59:22.887 --> 59:23.206 Produce. 59:23.207 --> 59:23.866 Yeah. 59:23.867 --> 59:24.506 Give results. 59:24.507 --> 59:27.986 Yeah. 59:27.987 --> 59:29.326 Influencers, hustlers, you know, the people that get up and they say, 59:29.327 --> 59:31.646 here's how you live healthy. 59:31.647 --> 59:34.246 You wake up at two in the morning and you do these 20 things. 59:34.247 --> 59:35.306 And then you drink this and you do that cocktail here of, you know, 59:35.307 --> 59:37.866 a healthy drink or whatever. 59:37.867 --> 59:40.566 And you get on these things and you work out at this time. 59:40.567 --> 59:41.646 That same mentality goes over into the business world. 59:41.647 --> 59:42.166 And people say, you got to do this. 59:42.167 --> 59:43.286 You got to do that. 59:43.287 --> 59:45.086 You got to hustle and get it. 59:45.087 --> 59:46.272 All these things. 59:47.952 --> 59:49.731 have gone over into the Christian world 59:49.732 --> 59:51.091 with the preaching of the gospel and all of it, 59:51.092 --> 59:53.391 the same mentality. 59:53.392 --> 59:55.331 And that is not the way forward. 59:55.332 --> 59:57.251 I believe you're bringing order to that. 59:57.252 --> 59:59.791 I see that on this podcast. 59:59.792 --> 01:00:01.451 And it's gonna help people find their bearing 01:00:01.452 --> 01:00:03.351 and help them say, hold on, 01:00:03.352 --> 01:00:04.931 there's a difference between holy and profane, 01:00:04.932 --> 01:00:07.011 flesh and spirit. 01:00:07.012 --> 01:00:09.312 And if God births a thing, 01:00:09.313 --> 01:00:10.772 God will elevate people beyond anything 01:00:10.773 --> 01:00:12.432 somebody could do in their own natural, 01:00:12.433 --> 01:00:14.632 if that's his will for them. 01:00:14.633 --> 01:00:15.992 He'll open a door no man can close. 01:00:15.993 --> 01:00:18.732 That's what he's doing for you. 01:00:18.733 --> 01:00:21.272 And he'll close a door that no man can open. 01:00:21.273 --> 01:00:22.672 And I see God working this out 01:00:22.673 --> 01:00:24.012 with many of your listeners right now. 01:00:24.013 --> 01:00:27.972 It's very powerful. 01:00:27.973 --> 01:00:31.132 So I'll just say this to even your audience right now. 01:00:31.133 --> 01:00:33.332 If you're listening and your heart has been strangely warmed 01:00:33.333 --> 01:00:34.332 and you're just kind of finding yourself going, 01:00:34.333 --> 01:00:36.192 I'm hearing this. 01:00:36.193 --> 01:00:38.901 Well, the Lord's talking to you. 01:00:38.902 --> 01:00:39.961 He's waking something up inside you. 01:00:39.962 --> 01:00:42.841 And that is a good thing. 01:00:42.842 --> 01:00:44.201 I say, surrender to it, go to the word of God 01:00:44.202 --> 01:00:45.487 and keep listening to Rebecca. 01:00:46.527 --> 01:00:47.406 Read your Bible. 01:00:47.407 --> 01:00:48.966 Read your Bible. 01:00:48.967 --> 01:00:50.406 Yeah, read your Bible. 01:00:50.407 --> 01:00:53.866 Wow, that's so good. 01:00:53.867 --> 01:00:54.406 Well, I just am so grateful to have you on. 01:00:54.407 --> 01:00:55.226 Thanks, Rebecca. 01:00:55.227 --> 01:00:56.546 So great to have this conversation. 01:00:56.547 --> 01:00:58.486 You and Jonathan are the best people. 01:00:58.487 --> 01:01:02.166 Well, we love you and Heather. 01:01:02.167 --> 01:01:02.486 And Heather, you are going to be on this episode someday with Joseph. 01:01:02.487 --> 01:01:04.206 Yes. 01:01:04.207 --> 01:01:04.706 We'll have to have all four of us. 01:01:04.707 --> 01:01:06.366 It'll be great. 01:01:06.367 --> 01:01:07.446 Yeah, it'll be the right place at the right time 01:01:07.447 --> 01:01:09.046 because that's how it always works. 01:01:09.047 --> 01:01:10.846 But I just really appreciate this conversation 01:01:10.847 --> 01:01:13.166 because I think it will help level people 01:01:13.167 --> 01:01:14.921 because this is just such a weird conversation. 01:01:14.922 --> 01:01:16.361 I think it's working against the stuff 01:01:16.362 --> 01:01:17.201 that God's been showing you. 01:01:17.202 --> 01:01:18.041 I think so. 01:01:18.042 --> 01:01:19.881 Yeah. 01:01:19.882 --> 01:01:21.401 Just, you know, we only know in part, 01:01:21.402 --> 01:01:24.681 we prophesy in part, but we have, 01:01:24.682 --> 01:01:26.621 if I do share a responsibility to do our best 01:01:26.622 --> 01:01:28.421 to interpret what we're seeing. 01:01:28.422 --> 01:01:31.461 And, you know, a lot of people say, 01:01:31.462 --> 01:01:33.201 and this is important, just a quick thought. 01:01:33.202 --> 01:01:36.148 A lot of people say, 01:01:36.149 --> 01:01:39.208 that if God speaks to you, it better be black and white 01:01:39.209 --> 01:01:42.308 and paint by numbers, and this is how it's gonna be. 01:01:42.309 --> 01:01:43.468 But that's not the New Testament model all the time. 01:01:43.469 --> 01:01:46.448 In Acts 15, it says, 01:01:46.449 --> 01:01:48.768 "'It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.'" 01:01:48.769 --> 01:01:50.548 In other words, there's a part where you have discernment 01:01:50.549 --> 01:01:52.108 and yes, the Lord's speaking, 01:01:52.109 --> 01:01:54.108 but sometimes it's not 100%. 01:01:54.109 --> 01:01:55.848 You're not perfectly sure 100%. 01:01:55.849 --> 01:01:57.917 You gotta navigate that. 01:01:57.918 --> 01:02:01.337 But the Lord is also speaking about future events, 01:02:01.338 --> 01:02:02.157 Acts 11, 27, Agabus said a famine's coming 01:02:02.158 --> 01:02:03.817 and they sent aid. 01:02:03.818 --> 01:02:06.137 But at the end of the day, 01:02:06.138 --> 01:02:07.277 when you begin to submit yourself to the Lord 01:02:07.278 --> 01:02:08.677 the way you are with this podcast 01:02:08.678 --> 01:02:11.097 and leadership and all this, 01:02:11.098 --> 01:02:13.237 I believe people have a fighting chance 01:02:13.238 --> 01:02:15.237 and a real opportunity to find the avenue 01:02:15.238 --> 01:02:17.617 to do everything they're marked for. 01:02:17.618 --> 01:02:20.137 And we need this now more than ever 01:02:20.138 --> 01:02:22.217 going into this coming year, the coming season. 01:02:22.218 --> 01:02:25.417 We need to be clear-eyed, clear-minded. 01:02:25.418 --> 01:02:28.199 We need to be those that realize even on a bad day, 01:02:28.200 --> 01:02:30.919 We're anointed, you're anointed to be the very best there is. 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:33.319 And a man or woman with a revelation from God 01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:37.199 is not at the mercy of a culture going crazy. 01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:39.799 No, we're called to hear, listen, keep watching, 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:41.339 keep discerning, and God will take us all the way through. 01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:41.939 So I'm just so grateful to be here, Rebecca. 01:02:41.940 --> 01:02:43.199 Amen. 01:02:43.200 --> 01:02:45.079 Well, I say amen to that. 01:02:45.080 --> 01:02:45.619 And just thank you so much for being here. 01:02:45.620 --> 01:02:55.620 Thank you, man.