We are going to go into a time of a territory war,
a time of collision, and the valley of decision is 2026.
It's the 250th year of America.
And then there's the midterms.
You know, if we get into the midterms
and we don't see victory there,
we're going to see a preview of what's to come in 2028.
I had a vision the other day
while I was driving regarding this.
And what I saw was a giant viper that went up,
a very big, like, cobra.
And I saw this big viper coming up,
and it represented 2026 and beyond.
And I heard the words, I am unleashing the mongoose.
I'm unleashing a mongoose on the viper.
And then I learned that mongoose are immune to snake venom.
And the Lord is saying, if we'll stay the course with him
and we won't get distracted in our assignment or calling,
that this mongoose anointing will go at the viper.
And the venom that comes back as a response will not harm you.
Hey guys, I'm back with Joseph Z.
Hey, good to be with you, Rebecca.
I don't know, like, what episode is this?
I don't know.
Do you know, Fi?
She's not used to me talking to her off camera.
Is this, no, but this is like, have we done three episodes with him?
Three, maybe four.
No, four.
We've done four.
Yeah, with Brian and Jonathan.
Uh-huh, that's right.
The stallions.
That's right, the wild stallions.
Everyone's going to be like, what?
And together we are...
Okay, but we were having a good conversation off camera
talking about, because I was talking about,
I interviewed Greg DeVries
and he was talking about prophetic evangelism.
And we were like, I'm awful at that.
And I was like, you know what?
That's such a good word though,
because I remember like even years ago,
people would come on here and I'd be like,
I don't think I can do what they do.
And I don't think, we're not supposed to be exactly
like anyone else.
We all have different callings and talents and abilities.
And I think that's a mistake people make early on in ministry.
I think that's correct.
Prophetic evangelism, I can do it.
But the premise of that is you go out
and you prophesy to somebody
or you tell them things that are shocking about their life
if you have a gift of prophecy.
And I've done that so many times
and the outcome is usually really awkward.
Like I was in a drive-through window one time
and there was a guy in the window.
And I was like, hey, he's like, hey, I said, so,
and I'm thinking, well, I'll win this guy over.
I looked at him and I said, so your sister?
And he's like, yeah.
I said, she's majoring in this in college.
She's doing that.
She's going to all these things.
And you know, and that guy she was just with,
yeah, that didn't work out,
but you know, the next one's gonna be good.
I just wanted all these things.
He's like, cool, cool.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, yeah.
And then he's like, so do you know my sister?
And I was like, no.
And he's like, oh, I said, but you need to get saved.
And it just was awkward.
And so I just moved on from it and all that.
But every time I've ministered or prophesied to people,
usually it comes, you know,
we were just at the airport when we came here.
And in the airport, a guy walked past me.
And two times he walked past me, and I knew I was supposed to tell him some stuff.
And so we finally ran him down in the parking lot, and he lived.
No, but we actually got to him in the parking lot, rolled the window down.
I said, hey, man.
God's saying this, this, and this about you.
And he completely freaked out.
It was really accurate stuff.
And those things happen all the time.
And so it was very accurate, very powerful.
But I've found that unless I'm in a place
to really lead them to Jesus,
it's just kind of giving them data that does help them.
But it's the evangelism part that I've,
I don't know, maybe it's just my form.
I was in a meeting one time and I called a guy out
because the Lord said, that man right there,
he's a Satanist, he's here cursing your meeting.
And I looked at this guy and I looked at him
and he was just a normal looking guy,
like khaki pants hanging out.
And the Holy Spirit said,
yeah, you tell that man he's a Satanist.
I'm like, really Lord?
And I looked at him, I said, you there?
He's like, yeah.
I said, you're a Satanist.
He's like, I am.
And I said, you came here to challenge the power of God.
And he's like, mm-hmm.
And I said, well, your God's a loser,
and my God is the king of the world.
And if you realize that you're already defeated
in this conversation, stand up and repent.
And so he did, he stood up and repented.
And I basically said, or you're gonna go to hell, you know?
But he got saved in the meeting, so that was good.
I guess that's a win.
Rebecca, that's a win.
Well, I think it's the results.
You know, it's like you are faithful in doing what God's told you to do.
And then ultimately it's up to that person's own will.
I think so, yeah.
To choose or not to choose.
But even if they don't react well, because with my times of operating the prophetic,
I used to be so excited and I was like, this is going to be great.
And I got some really weird or not so positive responses.
And then I learned, oh, it's not always like...
Yeah.
But...
God can use that and plant seeds.
And they can might do something even down the line.
So people shouldn't be discouraged.
Have you ever felt like,
was there ever a time in your life
where you were kind of struggling,
like God would give you a word for someone
and you're just like, oh, I don't wanna do this.
And you ever felt like God kind of lift off of you?
I've had that happen for sure.
By nature, I actually don't like jumping out and talking
to people and all that stuff.
Really?
I don't, yeah.
You're so friendly, though.
I'm very friendly.
But both sides of me, there's a side
where I would love to just go live in the mountains
and disappear forever.
And then there's the other side where when I'm with people
and I feel that Holy Ghost unction or good chemistry
with people, you kind of come alive and that's good.
But yeah, when God speaks to people
or he speaks to me about people,
there's been times that I've definitely hesitated too long
and then it lifts.
And I think, okay, there's an example
and this is not a positive ending in the story,
but there was somebody that was...
was sick a long ways away.
And the Lord spoke to me, or I felt He spoke to me.
And I was so tired that I almost wasn't sure.
But He said, I need you to go there.
I need you to lay hands on them.
And this was states away.
And we'd have to travel there from this trip I was on.
I'd have to reroute.
I'd have to do everything.
And I just, I was just like, well,
I'll do it, but I need to go rest first, and then I'm going to go.
Yeah.
And so I made it home and rested, and I thought, okay, Lord, I heard you.
Let me figure this out.
Instead of just diverting and going, and they died.
They died.
And it impacted me.
It impacted me so much because I knew I had something
for them and I missed the timing of it.
I just didn't hear accurately.
And I knew that they weren't supposed to die.
And so I've had a few moments like that where when God speaks, I've learned to temper that better.
And when he says something to me to execute it and learn that timing.
But anyway, I just thought I'd share, you know, and God has grace for those things.
But boy, I don't like missing it.
I actually, there was an evangelist from Kenya
and there was a story where someone died in the meeting
and God spoke to the evangelist
to something kind of similar and they missed it.
And when that person passed, it totally affected them.
And it's like, I don't think they ever made that mistake
because it will mark you so much.
But I appreciate your vulnerability
and just your transparency because people can learn.
From that?
Yeah.
And the learning from it is God loves us, all that.
And it wasn't so dramatic like, go now.
But it was that subtle, still, small voice that if I would have been listening more intently and not maybe so tired and all that, I probably would have said, the Lord is really speaking to me.
I need to do this.
But I thought, I'll give it a minute, make sure I'm good, and then we'll go.
Yeah.
And sometimes the answer is you go right now.
I just, you know, I guess I share that.
And if anybody's ever had those kinds of experiences
or you go down those roads, God loves us.
He's good.
We learn from it.
And you almost have to forgive yourself
when you have those kinds of moments
because then you've got to keep moving forward.
But it does help mark you and temper you
to really make sure you're obeying God.
Yeah, and it's kind of interesting because I think about the times in my life
where God spoke to me in that still small voice,
but it was such a big impact and outcome.
Yes.
And I'm like, what if I hadn't obeyed?
I know.
And I'm like, why is it the still small voice sometimes for these big things?
I know.
Because God can also be really strong.
Oh, He can.
But I know that's a good word.
And I, in the past, God will speak to me and I've rationalized it.
And I'm like, no, it's okay.
It's fine.
You know, and then I learned, I was like, no, I should have listened.
And I'm like, why am I trying to rationalize what God's like?
I feel like I can like debate with him or like.
We're like, no, no, this is better.
You know, I'm like, why do I think that?
You know, so we all have moments like that.
Oh, we do, we do.
You know, but the most keen thing
we need to be really developing in
and really homing in on is the season we're coming into.
And that's why I think all the wins, the losses,
the things that we go through prophetically,
hearing God's voice, navigating the terrain,
I believe now the church is being called up higher
to a more accurate position.
And that accurate position is really gonna matter,
especially these next three years, Rebecca.
Yeah, talk, unpack that.
Okay.
Yeah, the next, so everybody else asked me,
like when we get prophetic,
you know, and if you're prophetic ministry,
what is the Lord saying for this year?
I'm really good with that.
I appreciate it.
But you know, none of this stuff is like a fortune cookie,
but it is very valuable
when you truly have a word from God.
And so I do believe that going into 2026,
going into this next year,
we are going to go into a time of a territory war,
a time of collision.
I believe that instead of capsizing the nation,
if we really do what we're anointed and called to do,
we'll right-size the nation.
And the valley of decision is 2026.
It's the 250th year of America.
And as we go into this, what I see coming is so many things wanting to collide all at the same time, things that want to run this nation right into the ground.
And then there's the midterms.
If we get into the midterms and we don't see victory there, we're going to see a preview of what's to come in 2028.
But that being said, I believe that we are headed
for this valley of decision.
I had a vision the other day while I was driving
regarding this.
And what I saw was a giant viper that went up,
a very big like cobra.
And it went up and I was actually talking to my mom
and we're going through this process and she used a word
and the word of the Lord came to me through it, I saw it.
And I saw this big viper coming up
and it represented 2026 and beyond.
And I heard the words
but I am unleashing the mongoose.
I'm unleashing a mongoose on the viper.
And I thought, well, this is really interesting
that the Lord's gonna use something uncanny, remarkable,
and kind of opposing this vicious snake thing.
And then I learned that mongoose are immune to snake venom.
They go attack the snake and they love to attack the snake.
Like I'm gonna get this thing.
And when they do, even if they get bit,
they're immune to the venom.
And the Lord began to speak to me about the body of Christ.
He began to speak to me about where we're going in 26,
politically, geopolitically, the way things are headed.
And the Lord is saying, if we'll stay the course with him
and we won't get distracted in our assignment or calling,
that this mongoose anointing will go at the viper.
Other things can't stop it,
but he will use this symbolism, I believe,
to break the hold of this thing.
And the venom that comes back as a response
will not harm you.
That's powerful.
It will not harm you.
You are immune to the venom.
And the Lord's gonna take many of us through that way.
And so when this begins to happen,
I see a few things happening also going into 2026.
I see the siloing of three nations.
I see three nations that are gonna become
as if it were the three big superpowers now in the world.
I think it starts in 26.
It may go a few years before it really becomes realized,
but I see it starting in 26.
And that is the United States,
Russia and China.
And I see these three nations siloing.
And I believe America right now is making a decision.
I believe that we know we can't really win a conflict
head on with China.
This is things I've been praying through.
I believe that we can't win some of these conflicts
that are out there, but what we can do,
and I believe this is what the president is doing,
at least at the time of this podcast,
is that he is saying to the nations and making a statement,
I'm not going to come after you, and I'm not
going to fight other wars on other territory.
I am, however, going to claim the Western hemisphere.
Stay out of my space.
And I believe that's where we're going.
And so when I see that happening, that's going to change.
And as a result of this, I believe part of it
will show because NATO is going to start to decline.
as I was praying into this too,
and you're looking at what's going on
with the European Union,
you're looking at all these things,
I think NATO's gonna really begin to dissolve over time.
And I believe the silos, the three silos, are gonna rise.
And so where it goes from there,
that could lead to like Gog and Magog and all that stuff,
but that is what I'm seeing,
a major big theme turn for 2026.
What were the three silos again?
The United States, Russia, and China.
And I believe that they will become their own three superpowers basically running the world.
Oh, my gosh.
And we'll have the Western Hemisphere.
They'll have the eastern side of things.
Now, does that mean other nations won't be doing things involved?
No, they will be.
But what we're going to be seeing is these three, I believe, silos of power that rise.
And America—
This could get absolutely derailed, but they could end up just running the Western Hemisphere and staying out of the others.
And that's something I think that is taking place even when I'm praying into what's going on with Venezuela.
We're praying about all these things.
I believe that we're going to see more and more of China and Russia show up on the scene as it is in regards to Venezuela or even South American nations.
why do you think God shows you these things
and what is the church's role in it?
Because some churches, you know,
some Christians' perspectives are,
oh, I don't want to get involved in politics.
We're just supposed to be the church.
And
I was just having a conversation with a friend
and I was talking about this church.
He goes, oh yeah, that church is like really political.
And I was like, well, yeah, you know,
because if you can impact something, why wouldn't you?
But I think, you know, some people,
because they don't feel called to that sphere,
it doesn't, it's hard for them to understand,
well, why are you, why is God showing you this?
Why am I, why are you praying into this?
Yeah, well, there's so many ways to answer that,
and there's many things we can talk about.
But number one, if you choose to not be political
as a Christian or a churchgoer, you are being political.
You're giving evil power to rule over you.
Now, one of the things we should mention is Romans 13.
I was just gonna ask you that.
Romans 13 says, you know,
there's no power that is in position
that God hasn't placed there, all that.
And then that power is there and it's meant for good.
They're there for your good.
They're there to do good.
And that's, you know,
I could read the scripture in the passage.
But you recognize that works in a few different ways,
whatever type of nation you are.
So in a monarchy where you have a king and the people,
you do Romans 13.
Well, if that's the constitutional basis of that nation,
their foundation, well, that means that
whatever the king says goes, and you're there.
You're doing Romans 13 in that country.
You have to obey that.
Unless it violates scripture,
then you don't obey any governing ruler
when it violates scripture.
Flip that around, though, we're in the United States,
and this is where it gets interesting
because it's very different
than most nations throughout history.
And that is this,
that when God puts an authority in the land
or a ruler or a king,
that is typically a monarchy top-down.
In America, in the United States of America,
we the people are the king.
We the people, the government works for us.
So if we're gonna really fulfill Romans 13,
and we're gonna really walk that out
according to the biblical letter,
we have a responsibility if rulers or people in authority
don't do what is good and they pervert their office,
we the people have a fiduciary responsibility
to remove them, call them out, and change the game.
That means the church.
The church has a responsibility to speak to power and say to it, you will do what we the
people say you will do.
And people say, well, that's this, that's that.
No, that's Romans 13.
If you really look at it, that's really what it's talking about.
And if you apply that to the American culture, we have a responsibility to make sure this
nation is run on godly principles and fulfilling the constitution.
That's just a quick snapshot of that.
That's actually really, I've never heard anyone make that connection.
That's really powerful because-
We're the king.
We were born, if you were born in this nation, you have this gift that's been given to you
that you can make an impact.
Yep.
Where so many other places in the world, they don't even have that ability.
They don't.
We do have a responsibility.
We do.
And God did put us here.
Yep.
So we need to be-
basically faithful and steward what he's given us.
We have to.
So when I pray into these things,
you know, I look at the premise of that.
You know, if I was living in another nation
and that was not the thing,
well, then we'd be an underground church
and we'd be doing the kingdom,
we'd be doing the gospel.
But if we're gonna be biblical in America,
we have to fulfill our responsibility.
So when I pray into things and world events,
and I'm looking at this, you know,
and this is what you asked me,
when we're looking at what's going on in the world,
it started for me because all the way back in 2015,
I was in Trump Tower, the Lord began to speak to me there.
And I thought, wow, is this guy gonna be president?
What's going on?
And he began to speak to me and say,
I've not graced you to know if he's gonna be president,
but I want you to pray for this.
And I said, Lord, is America going down?
Is America over with?
And he spoke to me and said, no,
America has one more round
because the young lions are coming.
And I want you to get ready for that season.
And so several years after that, even just a few years ago,
I was in a meeting and I heard these words,
and this is why I lean into this space.
I heard these words, I heard the words,
come up here, come up higher.
And Rebecca, when I heard that,
it knocked me into my chair, it knocked me down,
in a meeting, very calm meeting.
And then the Lord called me to the top of Pikes Peak.
And when I got to the top of Pikes Peak,
which is America's mountain,
that's when he began to speak to me
as a watchman over America.
And I'm just one of many,
but he called me in that space.
And so when I pray prophetically,
I find that the unction that God gives me
is about what's coming next.
What should we be looking at?
What should we be praying about?
And that's why I do my broadcast every morning
because I believe God is speaking through voices
that have ears to hear and eyes to see
to speak about what's happening in the country or the nations.
That's so powerful.
And I was just thinking earlier today on my walk,
I was thinking about the spiritual realm
and understanding that there is kind of like,
what is the word Michael Heiser uses?
It's like geographical...
I can't remember the word that he uses,
but he's talking about how basically
there are different entities put over different locations.
Right, yeah, territorial spirits.
And we know that God claims Israel,
Michael, the archangels put over Israel,
but it's the first time I began to understand
that there is this thing where there's these territories.
We don't go out and war against those territories,
but it helps you discern why different places in the world
are dealing with different things.
Rebecca, I was in Guatemala, to make your point.
I was in Guatemala.
I was preaching at this big, giant ministry there.
And as I came outside, I walked out into the parking lot.
You notice behind it, and people who've been there
will know what I'm talking about.
It's near Guatemala City.
There's a giant serpent sculpture,
and it's like miles long.
Oh, yeah.
A giant stone serpent.
And it is just massive.
I came out in the parking lot, I know that's there,
and suddenly I was with another minister,
and they came and said,
hey, would you pray for somebody in the car?
We walk up to the car, I look in the car,
and there's a lady in there, and as soon as we came,
she flips over and starts like writhing around in the car.
We opened the door, as she dropped onto the ground,
started slithering like a serpent.
And we ended up binding that, and somebody came running up
crying, trying to stop her from slithering.
She bit them on the hand.
It was amazing.
But that being said, by the time it was done,
I recognized that she was reflecting the principality
and power in the area.
It was a serpent thing.
And so to make the point that you're talking about,
that is exactly what that is.
And people will reflect the dominion
or the principality or power or territory spirit
if they're not in Christ and they're not in Jesus.
They can reflect that.
There's so many things that really amplify that.
Yeah, and this is what I was thinking about.
I was thinking about how God called,
it's like He claimed Israel and He claimed those people.
And then He gave them a culture that was rooted
and embedded in who He is as God.
But all of these other deities did the same thing.
They claimed to people and they embedded in their culture
worship of them, these false gods.
Right.
And then I realized something that God's been,
I've been kind of thinking about is how culture
is one of the most powerful and deceptive tools
that the enemy uses to entrap people.
Oh, that's good.
Because it's just so familiar and it becomes tradition.
Well, this is how we've done things for hundreds of years.
Why would we do anything differently?
That's good. That's true.
I know. It's been like blowing my mind.
Like how many things even as Christians were like,
well, this is just culture.
You know, it seems harmless.
But I'm like anything that's not of God and is not good,
we should not be participating.
But it's like that was my thought right before this podcast,
which is funny that we're talking about this now.
It is.
You know, I didn't understand the spiritual realm growing up.
I really didn't even understand –
God's purpose with Israel.
And so the Old Testament was really confusing.
The Bible was kind of confusing.
And when I began to understand Israel's role
and I began to understand what,
through Michael Heiser's teaching about,
you know, the sons of God and how they fell
how they've been placed over these different regions.
Yeah.
It just, everything began to make more sense.
And then when you look in modern day,
I was literally watching this, it's so random,
but I was watching this massive rave with all these people who don't,
you know, these people would say probably most are agnostic,
probably don't believe in anything.
But there's these huge, we'll put the video in this podcast.
There's these huge four people,
figures like in thrones.
I've seen it.
I know what you're talking about.
It's so creepy.
Yeah.
And they're all dancing before these throned deities.
And one's like Poseidon, one's the Aztec, I can't pronounce it.
It starts with a Q, but it's these different deities.
And I'm thinking that's not an accident.
No, it's not.
And I'm like, I'm seeing pagan worship.
Yeah.
in modern times because they never went away.
The things talked about in the Bible,
Baal, Moloch, Ishtar,
these were real deities that never,
and I don't really like using that word,
but I mean like false gods,
you know, spiritual beings.
The things they call gods that they worshiped.
Yes, they never went away.
And there's still a spiritual battle being raged,
you know, or waged, not raged, waged.
Raging at the rave and not waging more.
They're raving.
But sorry.
I would never talk this way.
But it just blows my mind when your eyes begin to discern what's going on in that, what was written in the Bible.
Because Solomon says there's nothing new under the sun.
You think about Solomon.
Solomon began to engage.
in pagan worship.
And that's why I was like,
that's why God with the Israelites was-
Powerful point.
I know.
And that's why, and then it never left Israel.
That's what I realized until it completely fell.
Because he opened it, he let it in.
You know, you think about territorial things too.
When Jesus threw the demons into the pigs,
they said, you know, he was there, they ran into him
and they were like, can we be excused?
He's like, you can go in the pigs
because Jesus of course is Jewish.
And so he wanted to get rid of the spirits
and he probably didn't care for pigs too much.
That's a good point.
Swine flew.
They fly off the cliff.
But what is it that they were doing?
They were going to the water.
And people make the argument, and maybe there's
something to this, that they were territorial
and wanted to get to that place.
And they ran off the cliff to get to the water.
And people call those water spirits, all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I've heard about those.
Right.
Yeah.
And you know what overcomes it all though?
What overcomes it all?
Well, let me read it.
Let me go here.
So 1 John 5, this is really important
because everything that we face,
we got celestial powers, we got terrestrial powers,
we got authorities that are in the heavens
and authorities that are on the earth
and things that are working through people.
You see it in governments, you see it everywhere.
But this is fascinating.
In 1 John 5 and verse, let's get a running start here.
Verse three, it says,
for this is the love of God that we keep his commandments
and his commandments are not burdensome.
Verse four, and this gets really strong.
It says, for whatever, whatever is born of God
overcomes the world.
And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith.
But this word world here, this is interesting, Rebecca.
It's the word in the Greek for world is cosmos with a K.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
That changes things.
It does, but it doesn't mean outer space.
Yeah.
So you're thinking, oh, it's way out there,
but cosmos with a K,
it actually means the public or society or ruling powers.
So when you look at this in a society way,
or you got principalities and powers,
the thing that overcomes it, it says, this is the power.
If you look at it in the message translation,
it actually says that our faith
is the power that brings the cosmos or the public
or the society that's ruled by these things to its knees.
So I find that fascinating.
It says that this is what overcomes the world.
Our victory that overcomes the world is our faith.
Faith.
in Christ Jesus, faith and obedience.
Faith when you say, no, I'm a free moral agent
and I'm standing in the middle of a present evil age,
I'm standing knowing the word of God
and I'm standing against this.
It brings those powers to their knees.
I actually think that's why
You know, you get in, let's jump the rails a little bit in this topic.
That's why when you get into like UFOs, you get into alien stuff, weird
cryptid things, or, you know, paranormal activity, none of them across the
board can stand the name of Jesus.
And that's our faith.
Our faith in the name of Jesus brings all of it to its knees.
And the church needs to know that.
And that's also why we need to be involved in politics so we can bring
the name of Jesus into that very place.
Yeah.
And it goes back to understanding our identity.
and that Christ has given us his authority.
Come on.
For a reason.
Yeah.
And I think that's why I love
that you're bringing it to that point,
because I think the problem is,
is people want to talk about the supernatural realm.
I want to talk about the spiritual realm.
Yeah.
Because the Bible talks about it.
It's, you know, so we need to have an understanding.
So the answer is not to be ignorant of the spiritual realm,
but it's also not to sensationalize it.
Yes.
And not include the fact that we do have victory.
That's right.
And I also think we can't become too obsessed.
Sometimes I think people get too obsessed with darkness
as Christians.
They do.
And I just know in my personal life,
the Holy Spirit's kind of pulled me like,
okay, stop studying that.
And I'm like, this isn't in the Bible for a reason.
Yeah, and so I just think we have to be careful.
And I think we also have to be at peace
that we might not understand everything.
Yep.
Even like when God, when you were like,
is Trump going to be president all those years ago?
God in his wisdom shows us what we need to know
when we need to know it.
So good.
And he puts in his word everything that we need to know.
Yep.
And then we have a relationship with him.
But when we try to go outside of things we don't understand.
So good, Rebecca.
You can fall into deception.
They do.
And it's like a...
It's like a doctrine of demons, seducing spirits,
all that that takes people there.
But Deuteronomy 29, 29 says something really cool.
It says the secret things belong to the Lord.
And that means no matter what, we're not gonna know them.
But Proverbs says, it is the glory of God
to conceal a matter.
Now those are two different things.
So secret things are things that God, you're just not going to know.
Yeah.
But concealed things, it says it's the glory of God to conceal a matter,
but it's the glory of kings or his believers to draw out a matter.
So in other words, there are things that God has secret that he's not going to reveal.
But there are concealed things that if we go into it through the word of God
and we begin to extract the deeper, fuller meaning of it, you get revelation.
And that is what these kinds of conversations do.
And that's what people need to do.
They need to know the difference
between the secret things and concealed things.
And when you go to the word of God in your faith,
that is where I believe you get revelatory horsepower
that leads to bringing the world to its knees,
bringing it there,
because you have faith that overcomes the world
and you're getting revelatory understanding
of some of these crazy things we talk about and look into,
but it brings clarity and you can walk it out with faith.
I think it's so good.
What do you think is tripping even believers up where they're falling into like deception in the conspiracy theory world, the world that's like, oh, you know, the red pill world or the conspiracy theory world?
What's tripping believers up?
When they love the sensational more than the truth.
And that's what the Bible says.
Because they did not love the truth, they were found,
they believed the lie, they ended up in deception.
When you're a lover of the truth, you overcome those things.
But there really is, there's so much information.
There is.
There's so much sensationalism.
There's so much conspiracy
that when you go down these avenues,
and the crazy part is a lot of the conspiracy
gets proven true.
I know, that's the problem.
That is the problem.
There's some truth in it.
Yes, there's some truth.
But then you can get someone with a little bit of truth
and then hook them the wrong way.
That's exactly right.
That's the deception.
It's like we live in very deceptive times.
We are in deceptive times, people.
I was in a meeting one time,
and I'm going to the whiteboard.
Many times when I preach, I go to the whiteboard.
And I'm going there, and the Holy Spirit said to me,
call out the conspiracy demon.
And I talk about conspiracies all the time in my program.
I deal with it.
I go down that.
But there is a point that you can actually
engage a demonic influence if you're not being rooted
in the word of God.
And I did, I went to the board
and I began to draw a circle.
And I said, you know what?
Some people get so caught up in conspiracies,
they end up in this circle and they never get answers,
ever learning, never coming to the knowledge,
never coming to a conclusion.
And that's what conspiracies are.
They never have a conclusion.
It's always, well, wait, have you heard this part?
And it continues.
And the Lord showed me something.
And when I did that, by the way, in the meeting,
a guy jumped up with demons.
He screamed out, rushed the platform,
tried to take me out.
And security got him.
But I was like, well, hey there.
He jumped up and he started yelling.
That conspiracy.
There you are.
Yeah.
So that happened.
But in that same moment, the Lord showed me something.
Conspiracies, when we obsess over them.
Now it's okay to glance at Goliath, but gaze at God.
So you can glance at Goliath, right?
Yeah.
But you gaze at God.
So yes, we look at the problem,
but we don't obsess over the problem.
But what conspiracies do is they replace the mechanism
in our heart that was meant for faith.
So what you're believing God for,
that same mechanism that says, I'm believing God,
I'm stretching out in faith,
conspiracies hijack that space.
And then it becomes kind of an obsessive thing
and you don't get results and it takes you off track.
As a matter of fact, Matthew 24 says this,
One of the signs of false prophets, it says in Matthew 24,
it says that many will rise and they will deceive many.
That's what it says around Matthew 24, verse 20 or something.
It says they will deceive many.
And that word deceive, one of the words for that means
to cause to wander, to cause to wander.
So when you cause them to wander,
that is what conspiracies do.
That's what people that are just simply susceptible
to these things experience, they go down those avenues.
And that's what we get to fight.
It's like, you can look at Goliath,
but it's like, focus on Jesus.
And it's like, you should never love these things
more than the Lord.
That's it.
And you have to distinguish between,
is this feeding my spirit
or is this sensational to my flesh?
That's right.
Because the flesh likes things
that are very intriguing and sensational,
but it's like, okay, is this producing any good fruit
or is this just feeding my flesh?
That's right.
And what's interesting is even seeing,
because I feel, Jonathan and I feel a call to Israel
and seeing all the hate
towards Israel, all of the conspiracy theories,
and it's fueling people to be hateful,
anti-Semitic towards Jewish people.
And I'm like, okay, well, the fruit of that is bad.
Because I was sitting there and I was thinking about it
during my quiet time,
because it's like you get in God's presence,
you feel the love of God.
And it's like nothing from him
would make me ever hate any people,
any group of people.
The love of God would make you want to see every single person saved.
That's right.
Especially a group of people that God has a prophetic calling and purpose for.
But there's a huge uptick in anti-Semitism across the internet,
and it's being fueled by conspiracy.
And it's this conspiracy that Israel is evil
and that Jewish people run the world.
and the Jewish people are the cause of all of our problems.
Yeah, it's evil.
A lot of that begins with bad teaching.
The only thing worse than no teaching is bad teaching.
And you've got this mechanism.
And the big concern I have today is there's so much,
like you're saying, sensationalism,
but it's also AI-motivated.
It's also troll and bot farms
that is totally being programmed to...
mind program a generation to hate Jewish people,
to go against Israel.
Now, quite frankly, we've got America,
we've got every nation, Israel, whatever.
There's a deep state in every country.
That's what I think.
Yeah.
Because it's like, how is the end times going to happen?
There's going to have to be bad players.
But I'm like, they're in every government.
Yeah.
Every people group.
But as born again Bible believing people,
you can't look at just their government policies.
That's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about God's promise to the land.
You know, Israel had a lot of problems with God
all through the Old Testament and even in the New.
They had big issues.
And the other thing is, and people are like,
well, we're called to be New Testament Christians
and we're saved in Jesus,
but we're not supposed to follow the Jewish people.
I'm like, newsflash, your Messiah is Jewish.
He is Jewish.
So I guess my takeaway,
and maybe you can help me, Rebecca,
is this, is that there's a political part of it
that yeah, if they do something bad politically, okay.
We're not gonna say that's great,
but they also do a lot of good.
But at the end of the day, it's the lens of scripture we have to look at.
The promise God made with the land and the people and the future,
even in the book of Revelation.
Yeah.
And that's my whole thing is like, there's a redemption where it says in,
I think Zachariah, it's like, it says, they will look on me, those who have
pierced me and they'll even like mourn.
So good.
There's going to be a, where their eyes are open.
And the Bible says if their rejection meant the Gentiles come in.
Yeah.
then their acceptance will be life from the dead.
And Jesus says himself,
"'I will not return until you say,
Baruch haba b'shem Adonai,
blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
So good, come on. The Jewish people.
So that's the thing that the enemy is trying to suppress
because he's trying to take as much time as possible
on the world stage is my belief.
Absolutely.
No, I think that he,
well, you look at the pattern all throughout history.
You look at it over and over and over,
and the same pattern is,
let's wipe out the Jewish population.
Let's wipe out the nation,
all the way up to the big deception
that they're pushing today.
I'm seeing this more and more.
We gotta really tell viewers and listeners about this.
But AI is supposedly translating Hitler's speeches
that is basically saying, no, he was really a good guy.
He was trying to, literally, I've heard so much of this now.
He was literally trying to get rid of all this,
immoral stuff and terrible things
and the Jews that were taking over.
And I'm watching so many people.
And I remember prophesying about this
a few years back where I said,
they're gonna try to flip the script
where they think the Holocaust didn't happen,
that Hitler's a good guy.
All these people that have persecuted Jews are good guys.
And the Jews are really the problem.
And I'm telling you, it's an end time deception.
It's an end time narrative
that wants to cause replacement theory to happen.
Yeah, that doctrine.
I know, and a lot of segments of the church actually believe in that,
which is kind of crazy to me.
I didn't realize how many did.
Yeah.
I think my question is, what can Christians do to safeguard against deception?
Yeah.
Because it is very intricate these days.
It is.
And we need to get a revival of the Bible.
We need to start reading the Bible.
That's what I think.
Yeah.
I think we're the most, like my generation under,
I think it's the most doesn't, I mean, scripture illiterate.
Yeah, and we can't cherry pick verses
because they'll take one verse and say,
see, that's talking about Israel.
That's talking about, no, no, read the whole counsel of God.
And if you read the whole Bible
and you're really absorbed in it,
you're not gonna come away and say,
oh, God's done with Israel.
You are not gonna come to that conclusion
unless you cherry pick scriptures
and talk to people that don't really know
what they're talking about.
That's the truth.
And so it's really understanding God's word,
being led by the spirit.
Totally, totally.
But how does someone not-
Be deceived.
Because what if they think they're hearing God,
but they're hearing something else?
Well, again, you gotta be a lover of the truth.
That's the big thing, a lover of the truth.
And when you love the truth,
that means you'll read the Bible
until it starts talking back to you.
And you say, well, what do you mean by that?
Well, you'll read the Bible until you get past
all the things you're hearing out here.
And if you're not reading the Bible
more than you're listening to podcasters
and YouTubers and all that stuff,
well, then you are very susceptible.
You really are.
In my own life just recently,
in the last several weeks and all that,
I've been challenged to read at least seven chapters a day, minimum, just to take it in.
Now, that's me.
Everybody's different.
But I've been reading and reading and reading because I know with how strong things are getting in the world that I don't want to taint anything.
I want the word of God.
You have to safeguard yourself, especially because you're operating in the prophetic.
Yeah.
I remember Derek Prince, he said in a sermon that he was careful about—
what he took in and he was like a philosophy.
That's what his degree was from, from Cambridge.
That was before he got saved.
Brilliant guy, yeah.
Yeah, but he was like, I don't take,
I think he said at some point in his life,
he only took in the Bible.
That's so good.
Because he just said, I don't want anything to taint.
Yeah.
Because as a teacher,
so you feel the same way as a prophetic person.
I do, you know, Smith Wigglesworth
wouldn't even let a newspaper in his house.
That's what Derek said.
Yeah, did he say that?
Yeah.
Yeah, and he wouldn't let a newspaper in his house
because he didn't want that unbelief in his house.
Oh, that's powerful.
That's wild.
And I knew a guy who was mentored by Wigglesworth.
He laid hands on me when I was a kid.
I actually have a lamp that either came from his house
or Smith Wigglesworth's house that he gave me.
And I have it in my office today.
It's just this really meaningful thing.
And I'm like, I think Smith had this.
That's so cool.
I'd like to believe that anyway.
But anyway, he wouldn't let those things in his house.
And today, think about that's him raising people
from the dead, wouldn't let a newspaper in his house.
And today we have nonstop doom scrolling and all this stuff.
And to do what we do, we have to be a part of it.
And I think somewhere in the mix,
we've got to really dive into the Word of God
mix it with our faith, love the truth,
and that's how you begin to avoid deception.
There's only one way, and it's the Bible.
You read it and read it and mix it with your faith,
not just intellectually, you read it with your heart.
You read the word of God
till it starts talking back to you on the inside,
till you start to think the word,
till you start to have conviction with the word.
Then you know you're not gonna be deceived.
You really allow the word to read you.
Yeah.
Yes.
You know, and you really put yourself like vulnerably before the Lord and say, okay.
That's right.
And you really humble yourself.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think that's a huge issue.
I think just people are spending way more time online, on apps, on podcasts.
I mean, this is a podcast, but we'll tell you straight up.
This is a good podcast.
This can't replace your quiet time.
And you gotta be in the word.
Yeah, that's right.
And I just don't think a lot of,
I hate to say this, because it's like, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what every church in America,
and I'm always focusing from America,
but it's like, I do think there is a lack
of biblical teaching.
There is.
Or it's like kind of shallow.
Yeah, motivational messages,
God loves you no matter what, all that, which is true,
but you have to have the whole counsel of God
to really be going forward.
So I believe this coming year, we're in for collisions.
I believe we are in for a shaking,
but I do believe this, that the Lord,
if we will continue to be loyal to Jesus,
we'll continue to do the things we're supposed to do,
get the word of God in our heart, in our mind,
in our actions, in our mouth,
I believe that we'll see the turning of what's happening.
You know, when Charlie Kirk, you know,
I was thinking about him, when his assassination happened,
the Lord spoke to me about something,
and I believe it's gonna manifest strongly
this coming year now, it's already happening.
But when his assassination happened, I saw this surge,
and you saw it, everybody saw it, we've talked about it.
Suddenly everybody's worshiping God.
We got Elon Musk at the arena
in praise and worship for hours.
All these people are experiencing,
it was as if revival broke out politically
and across the nation.
And the Lord pulled me back when that happened.
And I said, what was this about?
I was actually gonna go to the event,
and the Lord said, stay here.
I was like, okay.
And he said, now watch for strange fire.
In other words, what we're seeing right now is good.
This isn't bad.
This is a good thing.
You know, what's happening through Turning Point
and all the people
waking up to Jesus and even politicians are shouting the name Jesus. That's good. But if
the devil can't beat the church, he does the next best thing. He tries to join it through ideology.
And so what's happening is a good thing. We're seeing revival. We're seeing young people come
to Jesus, amazing things, but there's also this counter revolution that's happening and it's
filled with strange fire. And I believe that is something that we're going to step into in 2026
at a heightened level.
sentiment we're seeing out there.
And part of that is the anti-Semitic.
And also the thing that we're gonna see
is I believe the Lord wants to expose
some of these wicked elite players more than ever in 2026,
which means they're gonna pull out all the stops
to continue polluting our land,
to continue bringing in Islamic extremists,
to do all the things that they wanna do
because they know if they don't pull the trigger now,
if they don't go all out now, that they will be uncovered.
And that is happening.
So we're seeing the way that Bill Gates, for example,
is blasting the atmosphere with stuff
trying to induce the very climate change he says is here.
They're trying to make it so.
That's all the things you see, chemtrails, whatever.
You see this happening in technology.
And here's a word that I have about AI.
And Rebecca, this is important.
Regarding AI, everybody's saying,
"'No, listen, the singularity is coming.
It's going to take over.'"
And I keep hearing in my spirit, I keep hearing this,
they're saying, AI has a mind of its own.
We don't know how it operates.
It just kind of does what it does.
We let it do it.
but that's not what I hear in my spirit.
I hear that there's no way that these elite rulers
would ever let that be the case.
In other words, there are people at the top
that are absolutely marshalling this scenario
and then telling the masses,
AI is going to take over, AI has got this,
it's going to run our governments,
it's going to do all these things.
And so it's like a...
a trained mechanism that's coming into the culture of like,
well, we don't know what AI is going to do.
Oh, the government just says free reign of AI.
It's going to do all these things.
In other words, nobody can tamper with it.
The government just federally said
that only the government can control it,
but we're going to let it just have unfettered development.
I believe this, when I pray into that,
I believe there are people at the top of this
that are absolutely pulling the strings
and they are in control of it, acting as if they're not.
And that way they have plausible deniability
when this stuff starts really doing things.
And they're like, oh, we never knew it would do that.
We never knew it would.
enforce our ideology and our agenda, who knew that?
And they would begin to propagate that on the culture.
I believe that's one thing.
And I believe if we pray, we can see that get uncovered
where we realize, yes, it's a high tech,
it does amazing things and nefarious things,
but there are puppet masters behind it.
I believe that needs to be revealed
and I sense it so powerfully in my spirit.
That's coming.
That's really powerful because that is totally what we've been conditioned to think,
that it's just going to be its own entity that's just operating.
But it makes way more sense that someone would be controlling it.
Yes.
But that gets them out of being in trouble, held responsible for whatever AI does.
Absolutely.
So that's a word of wisdom.
Because they can say, we're one of you.
We're pointing at it together.
And they're the ones making it happen.
It's like every big smokescreen false flag event that you would ever see in the culture.
That's what they're doing.
Can you tell the story in the Bible
for those who don't know the strange fire reference?
Yeah, you know what?
I have to actually get you the scripture reference for it.
Let me find it.
I should look it up.
Look it up, yeah.
Because I know it's-
I've heard that term.
It's from the Old Testament.
It certainly is.
It's strange fire is...
Not asking AI.
Yeah, let's have AI figure it out since it's all knowing.
Strange fire is when the people lit their own fire
and it wasn't holy under the Lord.
It was man-made fire and they lit it themselves.
Yes.
It's from Leviticus.
Yes, it is.
Yep.
And Nadab, hard name, and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, so the priestly line, took either of them, his censer, and put fire therein and put strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not.
And there went out the fire from the Lord and devoured them and they died.
That's right.
So they were doing something they weren't supposed to be doing with something as priests.
That's right.
Unholy fire, unauthorized fire.
Fire that God did not command.
Worship being done in their own way,
which we see multiple times in scripture.
God convicts that.
Irreverence, disobedience, man-made worship.
And then Numbers also talks about it.
It happened in Numbers too.
Yeah.
Yeah, is it the same group or different thing?
Because the word's strong in me, strange fire.
And I just knew that they had lit fire.
So it's the priest that did it apparently.
They lit fire that was not under the unction
or origin of God.
They lit their own fire.
Yeah.
And-
Yep, it was Aaron's sons, but Numbers refers to it too.
The same event.
Yeah, same, that's why they died,
because of the strange fire.
So I have a parallel scripture in the New Testament.
And strange fire is going to be,
it kind of looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck,
it does all these things, but it is not the genuine article.
This is the thing that we're gonna-
That's probably one of the most dangerous things
that you could do.
It really is.
And I believe that is what we're in danger of
if we're not lovers of the truth,
if we don't continue to follow the Lord
with conviction in the word of God.
And so I'll give you this scripture in the New Testament,
which is-
And they were priests too.
That's the other big,
because they can be God's own people
with the priestly calling.
Yeah, that's good.
Misusing things.
Sadly, that's very accurate.
Yeah.
That's like Eli's wicked sons.
He had those two derelict sons.
I think it's Hophni and Phinehas.
And they went down this road.
They did all the same things.
And oh my goodness.
Hophni and Phinehas.
It's interesting.
When Samuel was at Shiloh and the Ark of the Covenant, it was under their care.
And these guys were just dirtbags.
Awful.
They were just dirtbags.
When the Philistines invaded and they were attacked,
the people cried out and demanded
to go get the Ark of the Covenant.
The Lord showed me this.
To go get the Ark of the Covenant
and to bring it into battle,
because then they'd win,
and Hophni and Phinehas were reluctant.
They didn't even want to go, but they were forced to go.
They brought the Ark of the Covenant, and this is crazy.
In that narrative, I think it's 1 Samuel,
when they showed up to the battle
with the Ark of the Covenant,
it says the people of Israel shouted so loudly
that it shook the ground.
And the Philistines were terrified by this.
And the ark shows up and the ground is shaking.
And they thought, oh no, the God of Israel is among us.
But it was strange fire.
It was a strange, it was a manmade thing.
So when they brought it there,
they went to battle and Israel lost.
They took the ark, they stole it.
But here's what I heard about this from the spirit.
I thought, wow.
But there was this shout in the camp
and the Lord said, there can be a carnal shout
that sounds so loud, so overwhelming
that this is revival.
Something's taking place.
It's strange fire.
The ground shook.
Even the enemies thought, oh no, they're gonna win.
And then the bad guys-
God wasn't-
God wasn't in the shout.
Because they would never been able to take the ark
if God's presence was-
Yeah, well, God wasn't in the shout.
Or if God blessed it.
That's right.
Yeah, because he was in the ark.
So good.
God was not in the shout though, right?
And so we see this 1 John 2.
1 John 2, it says this in verse 26.
These things I've written to you
concerning those who try to deceive you.
Verse 27, but the anointing
which you have received from him abides in you
and you do not need that anyone teach you.
But as the same anointing teaches you
concerning all things and is true.
and is not a lie.
And just as it has taught you, you will abide in him.
What I'm saying about this is there's a true anointing
and an anointing that is a lie, a false anointing.
That is strange fire.
The strange fire in the New Testament era
is when people, they...
have a form of godliness, but deny the power of,
they don't have the word of God living in them.
So they have kind of a form of religion.
They act a certain way to get a certain result.
And that is strange fire, a false anointing.
I believe that's what we're facing right now.
And so do you think like with Charlie Kirk,
all the good that was happening,
do you think the strange fire was to hijack the situation
and use it for their own false purposes?
100%, politically on both sides.
Politically, and I'm not pointing at anybody,
I love the administration we have.
I'm praying for them.
I think we got really good characters there
and some not good characters.
But I do believe that to your point, Rebecca.
I think that they are truly trying to hijack things
that have influence and power,
even if it's in the name of God.
And there's a strange fire in the mix with this.
And you think that's the enemy's way of trying to like push back revival?
I totally do.
Kind of hijack it?
Totally, hijack it.
Yeah, it just feels like it was so good at first and it just felt like it totally got hijacked.
And now there's so much confusion.
And I'm always just like, okay, well, if God is moving and something's good and then there's confusion, I know that's the enemy.
It is.
He's the author of confusion.
God is a God of order.
He is a God of order.
He's not a God of confusion.
He is a God of order.
Yeah, and you know, I just want to say this
to all your listeners too,
when they're listening to this, this podcast,
the Rebecca Wise podcast,
they're going to find order in their mind.
They're going to find the word of the Lord.
This is a really good stream to help people
right-size in their thinking,
to start to stand up in their heart and their mind.
And what we see in the culture right now
is so devoid of really clear understanding.
It's out there, there's good stuff out there.
But the strange fire narrative is actually very appealing.
It's more appealing than doing the basics.
It's more appealing than locking in
and getting the word of the Lord for you.
It's more appealing to your flesh,
but your spirit will be pleased with doing the basics.
Yes, it'll make you feel alive.
It'll answer the fight inside.
Conspiracies don't answer the fight inside.
Strange fires certainly won't answer the fight inside.
It's a form of godliness, like a religion.
But when you really get the word of God living in you
and you're a lover of the truth
and you mix it with your faith,
it'll begin to answer the fight inside.
Other things start to fall to the wayside.
You realize God really loves me and I sense him
because I've been fellowshipping with him through his word,
through praying in the spirit.
You'll overcome this present evil age,
but there takes effort with that.
It takes effort to discipline what you're looking at,
what you're not looking at.
It takes effort.
It takes discipline and submission and obedience.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
No, it's great.
I'm agreeing with you.
Well, I think what I want to say to like the audience who's listening,
because even thinking about your calling as a watchman.
Yeah.
And God showing you things.
That's very biblical.
Watchman's all throughout scripture.
Intercession is all throughout scripture.
And I think prayer is one of the most powerful tools
God gives us.
And I think that's why the enemy tries to make it seem
like it's actually not powerful.
That's right.
It's actually really powerful.
Yes.
But I think the word of wisdom,
and you can just add onto this or however, or correct it.
To people who are watching is that
don't be led by your flesh.
Don't do what's appealing to your flesh
and don't give yourself a calling
that God isn't giving you.
Oh, that's good, Rebecca.
Yeah.
But it's like, submit your, humble yourself before the Lord and say, God, in this age,
what are you calling me to do?
And give me the wisdom and do only what God is telling you to do.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Yep.
And just, it's about obedience.
It's like Samuel said to Saul, obedience is better than sacrifice.
Don't...
do something that you think is great and amazing.
Like Saul did, look, I have all this stuff
that I can give to the Lord.
And Samuel's like, God never asked you to do that.
And so that's the wisdom,
because they think people in pride could listen to this
and go, I'm gonna be a watchman and I'm gonna da, da, da.
And it's like, if you don't have the wisdom of God,
you're gonna get yourself in trouble,
just like the two sons of Aaron did.
You know, the sons of Sceva,
when they try to go cast out a demon,
but they're coming from their flesh.
And the demon was like, I don't know who you are.
I know Jesus and Paul.
And then literally beat the sons up.
You could be opening the door
to even attack in your life if you do that.
You could, yes.
So it's like, be led by God, called by God
and stay humble, stay in the word.
And God will show you what to do in this age
to make the most impact.
And I think that's where you get into the strange fire
is even people with good intention.
Oh yeah, yeah.
are doing a lot of damage.
And sometimes, I remember Derek Prince,
and it just gave me so much clarity in my own life.
He was like, the hardest people, he says,
to deal with are people with two spirits.
People with the Holy Spirit who are spirit-filled,
but are under demonic influence as well.
And I think that's what we're seeing
with a lot of players on the main stage now.
It's people who want to do well,
but they're being deceived and they're causing more damage.
Two spirits.
You know, a lot of people immediately say,
no, Christians can't have this or that or that or that.
They can have whatever they want.
You know, so when you're talking about this,
that is such wisdom you're laying down right now.
It's blessing me big time.
It really is because when people,
walked on these avenues and you see whatever it is,
ministry or watchmen or prophetic things,
today the danger is you don't need to go
through the fires of refinement.
You don't need to be forged by the Lord into a weapon.
You can just pick up your phone and go live.
You can just do it and say whatever you think
comes to your special brain, right?
And when you go down that avenue,
That is welcoming strange fire.
I'm not saying you shouldn't say your thoughts or go online,
but don't suppose to speak for the Lord
if you don't truly have a burning word from Him.
And you know the difference.
You know the difference.
You know when God puts fire in your bones
and you must do what He's asking you to do.
You know, like, woe is me if I don't preach the gospel.
But people that just jump out ahead and they say,
I wanna be a watchman, or I wanna do these kinds of things.
There's a danger in that,
that really will get you into strange fire
because you will trade the truth of God
for the attention of man or the lie.
And that is the false anointing, strange fire.
And that is part of what we're talking about.
And I think the Lord's guiding this conversation.
Yeah, that's really powerful.
And I think when people are doing it
and they're not under God's calling or his authority
and they're getting the applause of man
and they're getting growth
just because someone has growth or followers
or that doesn't necessarily mean it's not bad,
but it doesn't mean that that's necessarily God.
That's so good.
And...
if people are doing it for the wrong reasons,
they can even turn, like you said, once again,
to the strange fire to try to keep something going.
To keep the people happy, to create some kind of,
and then they could tap into even something demonic.
They sure could.
To get some kind of spiritual.
Oh, Rebecca, I've seen that personally.
So have I.
Have you really? Yes.
Oh, you've been around a little bit.
You've seen some stuff.
I'll tell you.
It's like Saul, he, it's like when the Lord left Saul
and that was someone who was called.
When the Lord left Saul for his disobedience,
he then consulted a witch.
So it's like, you can tap into something
because he was still trying to be king.
He didn't have the anointing.
He didn't have God's presence anymore.
So strong.
That's so true.
Because you start to not know the difference.
What was it like Samson?
He didn't even, the spirit of God left him, right?
When he did the thing.
But when-
And that's why David's like, don't leave me.
Because it was different under the Old Testament.
Amen.
And so in that, David knew that he was a goner
if he didn't have the presence of God.
That's what sets people apart.
And that's really going back to your verse in John,
where it's like those of you who have been born again,
who have faith in Christ will overcome the world.
It just circles right back to that.
It does.
Which is that that's what sets us apart
and that's who we put our hope in.
And that's who we're serving and obeying
and who we're being led by.
We're not getting caught up in the swirl
going on in the world.
You know, Rebecca, I gotta tell you something.
I believe the Lord has called you
to bring correction to goofy gifts.
I think the Lord calls you in that space
and the gift of wisdom will come through you as you speak.
And there'll be like a right sizing and a correction
that comes to spirits, hearts, intentions,
even as you speak, and you won't have to try to do it.
The Lord's just gonna use that as part of your gift.
It's like a word of wisdom gift
that will come through you equal to prophecy.
And I see it cutting right into people's hearts
and the Lord uses you that way.
And I think this podcast is gonna do more and more of that,
where you're gonna really,
people that are kind of like,
oh, I'm gonna listen to that, that sounds fun.
All of a sudden, they're gonna find their heart
kind of impacted.
And then they're gonna find their heart
having access by the Lord.
And then they're gonna say, I need to change some things.
I think you have an anointing for that.
And I feel it right now while we're talking.
That's why the Lord's been taking this direction.
People that are playing patty cake with strange fire,
they might not even know it.
they might think, oh, you know, this is how you do it.
Because we got this hustle culture, right?
Yeah.
Produce.
Yeah.
Give results.
Yeah.
Influencers, hustlers, you know, the people that get up and they say,
here's how you live healthy.
You wake up at two in the morning and you do these 20 things.
And then you drink this and you do that cocktail here of, you know,
a healthy drink or whatever.
And you get on these things and you work out at this time.
That same mentality goes over into the business world.
And people say, you got to do this.
You got to do that.
You got to hustle and get it.
All these things.
have gone over into the Christian world
with the preaching of the gospel and all of it,
the same mentality.
And that is not the way forward.
I believe you're bringing order to that.
I see that on this podcast.
And it's gonna help people find their bearing
and help them say, hold on,
there's a difference between holy and profane,
flesh and spirit.
And if God births a thing,
God will elevate people beyond anything
somebody could do in their own natural,
if that's his will for them.
He'll open a door no man can close.
That's what he's doing for you.
And he'll close a door that no man can open.
And I see God working this out
with many of your listeners right now.
It's very powerful.
So I'll just say this to even your audience right now.
If you're listening and your heart has been strangely warmed
and you're just kind of finding yourself going,
I'm hearing this.
Well, the Lord's talking to you.
He's waking something up inside you.
And that is a good thing.
I say, surrender to it, go to the word of God
and keep listening to Rebecca.
Read your Bible.
Yeah, read your Bible.
Wow, that's so good.
Well, I just am so grateful to have you on.
Thanks, Rebecca.
So great to have this conversation.
You and Jonathan are the best people.
Well, we love you and Heather.
And Heather, you are going to be on this episode someday with Joseph.
Yes.
We'll have to have all four of us.
It'll be great.
Yeah, it'll be the right place at the right time
because that's how it always works.
But I just really appreciate this conversation
because I think it will help level people
because this is just such a weird conversation.
I think it's working against the stuff
that God's been showing you.
I think so.
Yeah.
Just, you know, we only know in part,
we prophesy in part, but we have,
if I do share a responsibility to do our best
to interpret what we're seeing.
And, you know, a lot of people say,
and this is important, just a quick thought.
A lot of people say,
that if God speaks to you, it better be black and white
and paint by numbers, and this is how it's gonna be.
But that's not the New Testament model all the time.
In Acts 15, it says,
"'It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.'"
In other words, there's a part where you have discernment
and yes, the Lord's speaking,
but sometimes it's not 100%.
You're not perfectly sure 100%.
You gotta navigate that.
But the Lord is also speaking about future events,
Acts 11, 27, Agabus said a famine's coming
and they sent aid.
But at the end of the day,
when you begin to submit yourself to the Lord
the way you are with this podcast
and leadership and all this,
I believe people have a fighting chance
and a real opportunity to find the avenue
to do everything they're marked for.
And we need this now more than ever
going into this coming year, the coming season.
We need to be clear-eyed, clear-minded.
We need to be those that realize even on a bad day,
We're anointed, you're anointed to be the very best there is.
And a man or woman with a revelation from God
is not at the mercy of a culture going crazy.
No, we're called to hear, listen, keep watching,
keep discerning, and God will take us all the way through.
So I'm just so grateful to be here, Rebecca.
Amen.
Well, I say amen to that.
And just thank you so much for being here.
Thank you, man.