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Get ready for a teaching
that feeds your spirit

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and your mind where the
word is the anchor in

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uncertain times

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and doctrine doesn't bend to culture.

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We keep it simple,

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but dive deep revealing a
truth that strengthens us,

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a love that emboldens,

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and a mission that touches the world.

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Let's join Rick Renner.

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<v ->Welcome to today's program.</v>

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My name is Rick Renner

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and I've been sitting here waiting for the clock to strike

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so we could get started
in today's program.

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I had a dream some time
ago, and actually I had two.

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And in the night I dreamed two
series that I was teaching.

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In the first dream, I dreamed

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that I was teaching about
the right way to join

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or to leave a church,

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and the dream was so vivid,
I knew it was from the Lord.

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So I got up, I went to the
room where I read my Bible

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and where I pray, and
I got out my computer

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and I literally began to
write down all the points

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that I taught in the dream

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because I knew the Lord
wanted me to teach it.

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It was supernatural.

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Well, I went back to the
bedroom, went back to bed,

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and had a second dream.

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And the second dream was the same thing.

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I was teaching on TV, a very specific series,

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and that's what I'm gonna
be teaching next week about

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Spiritual Care.

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Got up again, went to my TV
room, room where I pray, room

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where I read my Bible,
got my computer out again.

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I'm telling you, that night I was in

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and out of bed all night

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because the Lord was speaking to me.

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And it's very rare that the
Lord speaks to me in this way,

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but I knew he wanted me to teach about the right way to join

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or to leave a church.

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This is a five part series,
comes in all kinds of formats

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with a wonderful study guide

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so you can read the
material while you're seeing

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or hearing this series.

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And I'm so excited to also
tell you about my book,

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which is called, A Life Ablaze.

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It's one of my favorite
books of all the books

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that I've written, and I've
written nearly 60 books.

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But I just love this book

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because it's about how you
can remain a spiritual inferno

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to the end of your life.

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So many people start their walkout with the Lord, with fire,

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and they lose it along the way.

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That's not God's will.

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And there are 10 fuels you need

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to be putting into your spiritual flame so

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that you remain ablaze
to the end of your life.

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But you can find out about
these things by going online

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or by giving us a call.

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And please write down that number

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because it's the same number
that you can call for prayer.

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And if you need prayer for any reason,

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we would just be delighted
to pray with you.

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We consider that one of
our greatest ministries

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and people call us from
all over the world.

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And my friends, we have thousands of pages

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of testimonies from people
that wrote back later to say,

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Hey, you prayed and listen
to what the Lord did.

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And I see those testimonies
nearly every day.

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I read them and they just thrill my heart.

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And so if you need prayer
about anything, please call

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that number and again, write it down

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so you always have it nearby.

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Or maybe you'd rather send an email. When

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your email shows up,

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we're gonna pray in the same
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and Jesus is really gonna
do what needs to be done.

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But hey, I want you to
reach for your Bible.

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We always use the Bible in this program,

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and we're believing for revival of the Bible in the church.

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And specifically I'm believing the Pastors will begin

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to teach the scriptures verse by verse.

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We need the verse by verse
teaching of the scripture.

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And I believe that is my
call to minister to you.

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But today we're going
to see the next point.

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We've already seen what is the
right way to join a church.

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Then we saw why is church
membership important.

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Yesterday we saw what

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to do if you have relational conflicts in a church. Today,

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we're gonna see - What

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to do if you have doctrinal disagreements in a church.

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And then tomorrow we're gonna be seeing

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what is the right way to leave a church.

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But how do you handle doctrinal disagreements in

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a church?

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My friends, this is one

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of the reasons why I taught in the 1st episode that it's

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so important you don't rush
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You need to test the church.

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You need to create for
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where you study the church,
listen to the church,

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observe the leadership,
hear what is preaching

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to make sure you're really
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of the church, the faith
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and the doctrine of the church.

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One reason that people leave a church is

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because they didn't take enough time

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to really know the church
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And this is why I taught in the 1st episode,

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and this is so important for you to understand that you need

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to date church before you join yourself to it.

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But remember how you join
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So go into it cautiously, thoughtfully and very seriously.

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But it is likely that at
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you're gonna hear something
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You might even hear something that kind of

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just pricks your spirit in a strange way.

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You don't know what to do with it.

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Or you might even have a
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that's being preached or
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That just happens and it
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But unless it is a very, very
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usually you should just let it go.

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It may be that the pastor mis-communicated: it might be

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that you didn't really hear

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or understand what was being said.

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There are different reasons
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what we're hearing, but I want you to hear this:

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1 Timothy 4:1 forecasts that in the conclusion

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of the End-Times, a breeding ground

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for error will fester not only in the secular world

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but also within the church for anyone with a discerning eye,

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it is unmistakably clear

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that these seductive spirits
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quarters of the body of Christ.

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there are some spiritual leaders

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who once held strong doctrinal positions,

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but over time they begin to
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with the changing moral
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they have produced a gospel message very different from the

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one presented in the Bible.

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And this infiltration of seducing spirits

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and doctrines of demons was not prophesied in 1 Timothy

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4:1 to scare us, but to prepare us

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and help us prevent those that are a part

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of the church from being beguiled.

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God is never interested
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but he is very interested
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on the horizon.

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And the Holy Spirit sounded this alarm

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to prevent this error from ever finding entrance into our

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churches, our personal lives or in the lives of our children

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and our grandchildren.

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But the truth is, the Holy Spirit said this would happen at

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the very end of the age.

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I have seen it. I know some
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and teach what they once
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They have drifted away from
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Now they've moved into other things

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or they've changed their
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And you know, as you grow,
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But I'm talking about people
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truth: departing from the truth.

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And that's what the Bible prophesied in 1 Timothy

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4:1 - not to scare us,

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but to prepare us so

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that we would not be shocked
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But listen to this. A drift away from the verse by verse,

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teaching of the Bible has created a

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a doctrinal vacuum in the church: a void being filled

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with dynamic business ideas
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And it's certainly true that some

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of the motivational messages
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beneficial in people's lives.

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However, this type of
health is often temporary

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and can usually be found in books

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by professionals in the
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or may not order their philosophies

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and thoughts by the standard of scripture.

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And when everything is said

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and done, only God's word has the power

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to permanently transform a life.

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That's why it's so very
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to the verse by verse
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You know, one day I was
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a very large church, it
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that church and the
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I mean, every service was
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And the pastor came to
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We were sitting in his office

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and he looked across the room at me

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and he said, you know Rick Renner, you're just kind

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of a dinosaur.

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Well, I'd never been called a dinosaur.

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I wondered, what does that mean?

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So I said, well, what do you mean I'm a dinosaur?

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He said, it's like you're frozen in time.

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He said, you are what we used to believe.

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You preach the way we used to preach.

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You just preach verse by verse.

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He said, it's so pleasant to watch you

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and to remember who we used to be

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because we have moved on. My friends,

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only the Bible has the power

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to permanently transform a life.

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And if that's what he meant
by calling me a dinosaur,

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I gladly accepted as a compliment.

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My friend, God's word has
power to change lives.

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And the verse by verse teaching

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of the scripture is essential to cause God's people

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to be sober, to be sound minded

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and to know what God says
on a variety of subjects.

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But listen to this. In this late hour, at the end

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of the age, it is of paramount importance

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that spiritual leaders accept
responsibility to speak truth

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and to call the church back
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of the scriptures.

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If the Bible is even
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both society and the church
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Therefore, it is imperative
that we return to the word

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of God and experience
a revival of the Bible.

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It is important that
spiritual leaders acknowledge

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what they believe, accept the responsibility

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to speak accurately and clearly for God as his spokesman

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and call the church back

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to the authoritative voice of the Bible.

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We must dig our heels into scripture

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and resolve to follow nothing
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or proved by the Bible.

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But the Holy Spirit prophesied that at the very end

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of the age, error would seep into the church.

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So that means we may see it
and we may experience it.

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Now, most of what you disagree with

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that you may hear from your pulpit

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or being taught from your pulpit, it's not serious error.

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Usually it's something small.

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Maybe you listen to it
and you think, well,

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I don't know if I totally agree with that,

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but it's not really a
major doctrinal error.

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So you might say, well Brother Rick,

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what is major serious doctrinal error?

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Here it is. If you disagree about the inspiration

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of the scripture; that is a major doctrinal error.

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And today, many people
do not any longer believe

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in the inspiration of the scripture.

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They believe the scripture is of God,

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but that it has mistakes.

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My friends, that is a very serious error.

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There are people today who
question the deity of Christ.

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I'm talking about Pastor

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and they say, well, we know that Jesus was the Messiah,

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but you know, I really don't know if he was fully God.

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That is a major doctrinal error.

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There are those today and many today

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that now question the reality of Hell.

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They say Hell doesn't exist, that in eternity,

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if you don't know God,
you just cease to exist.

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Then you just move into
a state of annihilation

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and you just cease to exist
that hell is not real,

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that a loving God would
never send people to hell.

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That is a major, major doctrinal error

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that should not be tolerated.

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There are those that don't believe in the future judgment.

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They say, no, no, no, no, no.

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There's gonna be no future
judgment but my friends,

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for somebody to believe there is no future judgment,

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you gotta deny the scripture.

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It flies in the face of scripture.

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That is a major doctrinal error.

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There are those that don't believe in the

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baptism in the Holy Spirit.

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For me, that's serious.

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I could not attend a church

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where the pastor does
not preach the baptism

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in the Holy Spirit.

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There are those that don't
teach the gifts of the spirit.

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They say that the gifts
of the spirit is ceased.

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I'm talking about really
good hearted people

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who love the Lord, but
they're wrong on this point

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and it means the power of God's not gonna

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show up in their church.

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If you wanna experience the
power of God, you can't go

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to a church like that.

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Then there are some today
who really no longer deal

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with the Great Commission.

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They just want to take care of their own.

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For me, that is a very
serious doctrinal error

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because Jesus gave us the great Commission

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and he told us in Matthew 28 to go and to keep on going.

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This is a command to the church.

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And when a church no longer
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it is a major error in the church.

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There are those that have a
wrong belief about Israel.

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They teach replacement
theology. It's wrong.

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That is a wrong view.

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And you cannot tolerate a church

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that teaches replacement theology,

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that the church replaced Israel. My friends, it is wrong,

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and that is a serious error.

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Then there are those

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that have an errant view about eschatology.

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They either teach that were already in the millennial reign,

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which I cannot figure that one out at all,

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or they teach that Jesus
is not coming at all.

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There are all kinds of views and they're wrong.

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By the way, I advise you to get my book called The Rapture,

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The Antichrist &amp; the Tribulation, And what's coming next.

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You need to read that book. It will really help you

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understand what the Bible says about eschatology

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and anything that errs from the foundational doctrines

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that are listed in Hebrews 6:

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1-2. My friends, is serious,

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serious error.

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So these things are serious error

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and they should deeply disturb you.

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But should you have a disagreement with the leadership

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of your church about what is being taught

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and what is being preached, then

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how should you approach the
church leadership about it?

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What should you do?

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Well, it's likely that at
some point along the way,

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you may have a small disagreement, just let it go.

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It's not worth fussing.

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But what if you come to one of
those moments when there's a

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serious, serious disagreement?

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You've been going to your
church for a long time

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and you understand that now
the doctrine is changing.

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You're disturbed by what
you're hearing preached

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and what you're hearing taught.

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What should you do?

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Well, I'm gonna give you 7-points about expressing

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disagreement about doctrine and I want you to listen

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and to write these down: 7-points about expressing

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disagreement about doctrine.

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No.1: if you feel the need

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to express a disagreement about doctrine, be respectful in

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how you approach your pastor.

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And remember that God has
positioned your pastor

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as the shepherd of that flock.

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God has never called any of us to be disrespectful.

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If you look at the ministry of Jesus,

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he addressed a lot of issues.

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But Jesus was always respectful, except when he was speaking

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to the Pharisees and the Sadducees,

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and he called them hypocrites,

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which really meant they were just spiritual actors.

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They were not sincere about
what they were saying.

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But when it comes to your pastor,

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if God positioned him over
the church, whether you agree

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with what he's teaching or preaching

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or not, you are to be respectful to him

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as you express the fact
that you're concerned.

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So No.1: if you feel the need

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to express a disagreement about doctrine, be respectful in

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how you approach your pastor

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and remember that God has
positioned your pastor

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as the shepherd of that flock.

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No.2: oh, this is so important.

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Assume that you misunderstood

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or perhaps what was communicated was mis-communicated.

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When your pastor hears
what you think he said

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or taught, he may be grateful to know

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that he was wrongly understood

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and it will help him
set the record straight

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with a whole congregation.

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I'll give you an example.

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Many years ago, our ministry purchased a satellite channel

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to take the preaching of the word of God

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to the entire Russian speaking
world all over the world.

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It's amazing. We still have
it now we have two channels.

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But a woman misunderstood

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and if you can believe it,

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she thought I purchased CNN,

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the news channel.

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So she wrote me a long
prophetic word about

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how God was against me
because I purchased CNN.

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I didn't purchase CNN. Had
nothing to do with CNN.

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Of course CNN is CNN. She came to church.

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She was ready to just lay into
me and give a prophetic word

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and prophesy against me.

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And I said to her,
you're misunderstanding.

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I didn't buy CNN.

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I bought another channel,

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a gospel channel. While I was preaching,

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and all of a sudden - bam - as quick as a flash of lightning

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before we even knew what happened,

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she was on the stage and she had opened her prophetic words.

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She was gonna rebuke me publicly for purchasing CNN.

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It was such a spectacle - the woman misunderstood.

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She wasn't listening.

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And many times we don't understand what's being communicated

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'cause we're not listening

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or we have a filter that causes us

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to not really hear what's
being said or maybe the pastor

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or the speaker miscommunicates.

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So assume that you're wrong

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or assume that you misunderstood.

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Always take that approach when
you ask for clarification.

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No.3: remember that you may be the one who is wrong

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and that God may be giving you an opportunity

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to grow in your own understanding.

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Maybe you're hearing
something for the first time

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and it may be shocking to you,

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but maybe God's trying to
take you to another level.

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So be sure that this is not an
opportunity for you to grow.

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No.4: if you believe there is a major doctrinal

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conflict that violates
your heart and convictions,

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and if you think it's
too serious to overlook,

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then it may be necessary for
you to respectfully express

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that you need to go to another church.

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And in the next program,

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we're gonna talk about the
right way to leave a church,

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but be respectful in the process.

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No.5: Remember

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that God never calls on you

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to be disrespectful to others.

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Don't be ugly just because you disagree.

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You might be the one that's wrong,

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but God never calls on us to be ugly or to be disrespectful.

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Remember that God never calls on you

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to be disrespectful to others.

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If you feel the need to
leave, then do it respectfully

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as you would want the leadership to respect you

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and your choice.

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And No.6: if you leave,

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don't make your exit ugly

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or try to take as many with you as you go.

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This is wrong and God will not bless such a departure.

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And finally, No.7: attitude is everything with God.

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So make sure your attitude is right.

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7 Points about how to express disagreement over doctrine

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with the leadership of the church.

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And always remember the
pastor is the pastor.

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God trusted him enough to
put him in that position.

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And you should speak to him with respect

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and honor his position, even
if maybe you have an issue

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with something he said or
something that he is teaching.

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But remember, you might
just need to seek clarity

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and you'll find out that you

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and he really are on the same page,

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you just misunderstood.

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But unless it is a major, major, major doctrinal error, most

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of the time it's wise just to let it go

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and remember, this is the church where God has touched you,

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God has changed you, he has touched your kids.

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Your finances have been multiplied,

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your bodies have been healed.

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Your friends are in that church.

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Don't throw away a good thing

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because of a minor disagreement: a minor disagreement.

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But these 7-points

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that I've given you are very important for you to know how

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to express disagreement

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or to see clarity about a doctrine

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that you've heard taught in your church.

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But when we come back in the
next episode, we're gonna see

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what is the right way to leave a church.

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It's going to be very important.

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I'll be back in just a moment
and I'm going to pray for you.

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<v ->Becoming a member of a
church is very, very serious.</v>

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It's a long-term covenant,
not a casual relationship.

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In Rick Renner's new 5-part series, The Right Way to Join

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or to Leave a Church, you will learn

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that church membership is a
serious sacred relationship

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that should always be entered

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or exited prayerfully intentionally

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and biblically, not
casually or emotionally.

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Rick teaches - What it really means to be a part

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of a congregation: How

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to prevent offence from driving you away:

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What the appropriate process of departure is -

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and more - available in digital

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or physical formats starting at just $11.

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This series is filled with
practical biblical teaching

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that will strengthen your fellowship with your local church.

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In addition to this teaching series,

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you can order Rick's book, A Life Ablaze, for just $22.

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A Life Ablaze will ignite your spirit

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and encourage you to burn
red hot as you do your part

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to fulfill God's great plan
for such a time as this.

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Don't miss this special offer: The Right way to join

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or to leave a Church and, A Life Ablaze.

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Call the number on your screen now

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Call or go online now.

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<v ->Hey, this is Rick Renner,</v>

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and right now I'm standing
in the reception area

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of the Tulsa Ministry Headquarters.

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And this building is just so wonderful.

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You know the Bible tells us in Proverbs 10:21, The lips

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of the righteous feed many.

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And I know that is our assignment.

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God has called us to feed many
people the trusted teaching

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of the Bible.

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And together with you
and all of our partners,

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we really are taking the trusted teaching of the word of God

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to the very ends of the earth.

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Right now, we've paid off
about 82% of this facility

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and that is just wonderful.

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And my friends, we can
only do it with your help.

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So thank you if you're
already part of the team,

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and if not yet part of the
team, please join us as a part

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of the Giving Team to pay off this facility

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so we can be finished with it

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and use these funds to
take the gospel further

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to other places across the world.

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Well, I want to say thank
you for being with me today.

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I know that the Holy Spirit
instructed me to teach this

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to you, and I believe that
it's a great benefit to you.

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Please take it to heart,
think about it, mull it over

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and apply it to your life.

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It's a series which is
called the Right Way to Join

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or to Leave a Church.

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It comes with a full study guide.

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And I'm really excited about my book,

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which is called A Life Ablaze.

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When I wrote that book,

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it challenged me about
the 10 vital fuels I need

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to be constantly putting
into my spirits will fire so

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that I will stay spiritually ablaze.

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And that's God's will for your life.

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He wants you to be a
flame of fire all the way

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to the very end of your life.

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But if you're interested in these resources, just go online

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or give us a call.

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And remember, you can also call

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that number if you need prayer.

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And right now, we're waiting for the phone to ring right now

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and we're gonna take your call

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and we're gonna pray for you in faith.

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And let me tell you, when you are done,

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you're gonna know you have
really been prayed for

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because we are quite ferocious
when we pray for those

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that reach out to us that I
wanna pray for you right now,

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put your hand on your heart.

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Father, thank you that you've
called us into the universal

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body of Christ and you've also called us

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to find our place in a local
church where we're a part

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of a flock, where we have a shepherd, a pastor who feeds us,

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help us to find where we belong

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and to not easily throw it away

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because of an unimportant disagreement.

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We thank you for this in the
wonderful name of Jesus. Amen.

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Wow, I can hardly wait until
tomorrow. It's gonna be good.

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But until then, remember Ecclesiastes 8:4 say,

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"Where the word of a king is there is power."

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Hey friends, my wife

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and I are coming to the United States

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to hold some wonderful meetings

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and I want to tell you about them,

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but please be sure to go to our website

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to affirm all these times and dates

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because sometimes things change.

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On January 25th, we're coming to Green Mountain Falls,

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Colorado to Legacy Church, to be with Pastor Jeremy

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and Sarah Pearsons.

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On Friday, Saturday, Sunday, January 30th, 31st

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and February 1st, we're coming to Mesa, Arizona,

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to Vida Church to be with Pastor Ben

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and Kara Diaz, On Sunday, February 8th, we're coming

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to Southfield, Michigan to be at Word of Faith

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with Bishop Keith and Pastor Deborah Butler.

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On Sunday, February 15th, we're coming to Tulsa, Oklahoma

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to be at Millennial church with Pastors Paul

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and Karen Brady.

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And on Saturday and Sunday, February 21st

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and 22nd, we're coming to Midland, North Carolina

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to Encounter Church to be with Bishop Alan

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and Tera DiDio -

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and friend, I want to invite you to come to one

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of these meetings.

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We're waiting to see you there.

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If you've never received
Jesus as your Savior

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and Lord, now is the time for
you to experience a new life

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Jesus has to give you.

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Pray this prayer with me right now - Lord,

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I repent of my sin and receive you as my Savior

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and Lord. Wash away my sin

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and make me completely new.

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I thank you that my sin is removed

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and Satan no longer has any
right to lay claim on me.

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I faithfully promise that
I will serve you as my Lord

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for the rest of my life.

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Amen.

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<v ->If you just prayed the
prayer of salvation with us,</v>

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would you please let us know by going

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to renner.org/salvation?

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We would love to connect with you.

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Thank you for joining Rick Renner today.

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For more information
about Renner Ministries

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and product resources, visit renner.org.

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This program was made possible by the giving

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of the God called Partners of Renner Ministries.

