My father was engrafted by this demonic demon
that he worshiped in the house.
I used to look through the little door
and see my dad worshiping,
and the place in the room was so demonic
that you could cut it with a knife.
And we grew up that way.
The devil is very deceptive,
and he works in ways where he makes things seem innocent.
to people and it's a trap to hook children, to hook people.
And if you can understand how the Kingdom of Darkness operates,
it's not as hard to fall for his tricks and his schemes.
Yeah, but one thing you can do, you cannot change the identity of the devil.
He is the devil.
He come to kill, steal and destroy.
Okay, welcome back to the podcast, y'all.
My very first guest ever.
If you go onto the channel and you go back to the first episode,
it was with this guest, John Ramirez.
Yes, it was.
And it was amazing.
It was amazing because you came gunslinging prepare.
I mean, I was like, you broke down Halloween and it was just epic.
It was amazing.
I learned a lot.
Yeah, and you were so gracious to do the interview.
We did it, y'all, on Zoom.
Yes.
Which, I mean, just such a great way to kick it off.
But, you know, I think for me,
and this is one of the reasons why I love your ministry
and I love what you do,
because I feel like you were one of the original
former Satanists talking about this kind of stuff.
Because I think when you really first came on the scene
with your testimony,
I didn't really hear of really anyone else
that was talking about this kind of stuff.
Now, more and more people are coming forward,
former witches and warlocks.
people in the occult.
But back when you were doing it,
I feel like you were one of the only ones.
Yeah, I was like, I felt alone.
I said, Lord, go get some more people.
I mean, we need more voices to talk about the dark side
and implications and the consequences
of spiritual that brings to the table.
Exactly. And I think for me, that's why it started on that foot.
I think, you know, God always works everything out.
And I always think about that verse that says,
a righteous man's steps are ordered by the Lord.
And I just think, you know, it was fitting
because one of my original intentions with this channel
was to expose the work of darkness
so that people could have discernment and be aware
and make spiritually wise decisions for themselves and their families.
Right.
And, you know, the thing that I've come to realize is the devil is very deceptive and he works in ways where he makes things seem innocent to people.
And it's a trap to hook children, to hook people.
And if you can understand how the kingdom of darkness operates, it's not as hard to fall for his tricks and his schemes.
You know, one thing about the devil, he'll sugarcoat everything.
He'll dress it up.
He'll make it look pretty.
But one thing you can't do, you cannot change the identity of the devil.
He is the devil.
No matter how you dress him for Halloween, no matter how you dress him for any occasion,
he'll always be the devil.
Because one thing about the devil, you cannot change his identity.
He comes to kill, steal, and destroy.
Yeah, that's so good.
How many years have you been in ministry now?
And how long have you been saved?
Going on 25.
What?
I saved for 25 years.
No, not in ministry.
Ministry probably about, give or take 10 years, 15 years,
but saved 25.
Wow.
And I came out of devil worshiping after 25 years.
So we run in the race, but God knows how to multiply.
So he's moving on.
He's moving pretty fast in my life.
He does.
And that's one of the things,
we're going to talk about your new book
because you wrote, Out of the Devil's Cauldron.
Yes.
This is the next chapter.
Next chapter, on the other side of the cross.
Yes, the redemption story.
Yeah, the redemption story, absolutely.
And it's kind of like the Apostle Paul,
where you kind of reference how Paul was doing all this stuff.
He was zealous, killing Christians,
but when he got saved, it was a radical transformation.
And in the time that he had,
God redeemed the time and used his life to make such an impact.
multiplied it.
And today, I mean, thank God for Paul
because one third of the New Testament,
he had a good pen and he wrote.
And that's what you're trying to say through this book
is you're trying to say that God can redeem your life
no matter what you were involved in.
Look at what you were involved in
and look at how God has redeemed your life.
And really God has used you
to really kind of give a black eye to the devil
because you were so ingrained in that world
when you came out.
Anyone that has a wild testimony like that,
they
shine so much light and truth into that dark world.
So do you want to talk a little bit about your testimony
for anyone that hasn't heard your story before?
And then I want to get on the other side.
And I want to talk about your ministry experiences.
I was reading about those.
So interesting.
I definitely have some questions about that as well.
But let's talk about growing up.
Mm-hmm.
How did you get involved in basically Satanism?
Satanism, you know.
Or Santeria.
Santeria.
You're in Santeria.
The same station as Santeria.
Santeria means worship of saints.
It's worship of demons on the back end because that's what they do.
And, you know, we know the whole history, Jehovah religion came from Africa.
It moved over to Cuba.
It moved over to the States.
It became something, became a cultural phenomenon.
And it's still really popular now.
Oh, it's very popular.
You go to Cuba.
You go to Miami.
People are dressing white.
They're dressing white because holiness comes within.
So for them, holiness comes without.
Yeah.
You know, they dress in white, you know, sacrifice of animals
because it's a copycat of what Jesus Christ did at the cross for us.
The ultimate sacrifice, God shed the blood for the sins of the world.
And they're saying they're praying to saints.
So they're kind of twisting the Catholic thing.
They're praying for saints, but they're demons.
Yeah.
But what they did was when they came into the Catholic church,
the whole slavery situation, just to make a long story short,
when they came in, they decided to worship deities
just because the saints in Catholic church had a resemblance
of their worship in the motherland.
So they adopted that so they can confuse the people
that brought them into the Catholic church.
And they thought they would worship the same,
but they worshiped the demons behind the saints.
and whatnot, and they just took off.
And it just, we have very popular people today
in the music world, in the movies,
that are santeria, santeros, and they practice this,
and to them it's called the religion.
And that's where I came from.
I was birthed from that.
But seven and a half years old,
I was in a broken lot in the Bronx, South Bronx,
in a necklace from the second heaven,
the seven demonic powers.
I put it on my neck, and my mother and my aunt
went to the witch house, eight years old,
I was engrafted from the eight all the way to 35.
I got married Halloween.
Yeah.
And your mom, just to tell that story, that witch invited your mom and she just didn't want to be rude.
Right.
My mom was like too polite.
Yeah.
You know, and so then she pulls you in there.
And then that witch like demonically prophesied saying you're going to lose your sight if you're not dedicated to the devil.
Yes, exactly. And my mom fell for the, my mom drank the Kool-Aid.
She fell for it.
And your dad wasn't alive at this point?
My dad was alive. My dad was a warlock.
My father's sister, she's the one who inherited the whole witchcraft
because my grandpa in Puerto Rico was a Christian,
but he was a backsliding Christian.
He was an alcoholic and he got into altercation with the witch of the town,
the witch, I'm going to kill you, the witchcraft, which he did.
killed my grandpa through witchcraft.
And my aunt said, well, I'm going to join witchcraft
to revenge my father's death.
And that was the open door to my family bloodline curse.
So the witchcraft, Santeria Palamayumba and spiritual
came into my family and it was engrafted.
Today, half of my family are Christians
and the other half, they worship the devil.
Really? Yeah.
But what a crazy story about how it came in.
How the very thing that killed,
Your family in Puerto Rico, your aunt said, I'm going to do this so to protect us.
Yeah, protect us and revenge on my grandpa's death.
And then we came into, we immigrated to New York City, to the Bronx, and we met other people that practiced the religion.
And then I was, at the age of eight, I was going to demon church from seven in the evening to five in the morning to be trained a quick disciple and mentor to be a warlock.
When did your father pass away in all this?
My father passed away at 33.
I was 13 years old.
My father got shot for a woman in a social club
in the Bronx, where he had a good wife home.
He got shot in the face and died instantly at 33 years old.
My father died.
Do you think the life being a warlock exposed him?
I think, I believe that when we practice these demonic activities, whether you call it the
religion, whether you call it cultural, or we call it something, you know, we inherit
from family members, it brings, in the end, it brings premature death.
Because what the Bible says, what seems right to a man, in the end, brings destruction.
How was losing your father, did you feel like it upticked you going further into?
Well, losing my father, to me, was a great thing.
Really? Yeah.
To me, I pray, I said, I pray because I felt like my father was an abusive father.
He'll beat my mom.
My mom beat my mom.
He didn't put food on the table.
My mom would wake up Monday morning.
My mom had a black eye from the beating my father used to give her
because he was so demon possessed and controlled by demons.
We came from a broken home, a broken family.
We would see demons walk around the house, like human beings in the house.
We would be in torment.
Then we'll go to school to get breakfast.
And we didn't have money for school, for clothes, anything.
So my father was a curse in the family.
And I was like, oh, I hope he dies.
I hope he dies.
I would say because I didn't want my mom to get beat up and abused anymore.
And when my father died, we felt it was like a relief in the family.
Because as a torn man.
My father would send me to the witches, it was called botanicas.
He would send me to those places to buy the ingredients and buy candles and buy witchcraft stuff.
And sometime when I come home, I didn't have the stuff that he needed.
He thought that I didn't listen or heard right, didn't bring it.
Oh, you stupid, you're a moron, you don't listen.
Look, I needed this stuff.
So my father was so engrafted into the witchcraft world.
It was unbelievable.
It was so engrafted that the day my father died,
they did a ritual on the place he died to break the curse.
And dogs showed up.
Because in the Santeria, they believe in Lazarus,
but it's not the Lazarus in the Bible,
with the scars and the thing that was sitting by the beggar,
the beggar and Lazarus, it wasn't that.
copycat and my father was engrafted by this demonic demon
that he worshiped in the house.
I used to look through the little door
and see my dad worshiping and the place in the room
was so demonic that you could cut it with a knife.
And we grew up that way.
And when my father left the earth, we rejoiced.
Did you feel like the demons that were associated with him?
Oh, no.
They stayed.
Because, you know, the devil always does this.
The devil replaces the old with the new.
So I was the new.
Because they're familial spirits, so they'll stay around your family.
Stay around.
And, you know, the next person, which I was the oldest of the brothers—
I got in it, and then my second brother was in it too.
My second brother later on, he became a believer.
My second brother was, it's crazy,
because my second brother was transvestite.
Really?
Homosexual, bisexual, witch doctor,
and married to a regular woman.
What?
And he was going to get heart surgery, to make a long story short.
I went to preach to him in the hospital.
The Lord said, go preach to him.
I said, I'm going to preach to him because he's going to have all those crazy people in the hospital,
and we're all going to get into a fight in the hospital because they're going to jump on me.
I'm going to jump on them.
And this is what happened when I went.
It was a normal day.
My brother was dead by himself.
His name was Jimmy.
He was dead by himself with his wife, ready to get him for heart surgery.
He said, get out of my room.
Don't talk to me about Jesus.
I said, well, I'm not leaving until you hear the word of God.
And he wept and wept.
His wife wept and received Jesus.
He got the surgery.
He came home.
He got baptized.
He went to church.
He renounced homosexuality.
He renounced witchcraft.
He got saved.
He went to church.
He was like, you better make me Christian music.
How great is our God?
You can only imagine.
You better.
I said, we can't do bootleg CDs, man.
That's stealing.
What's wrong with you?
And a week before his birthday, he said, I'm going to throw my Christian party.
I'm going to invite all my friends.
And I said, don't do that.
They're going to manifest in your house when they hear the Christian music.
And he was like, I'm going to do it anyway.
And that Thursday, my brother went to bed, woke up in eternity.
No.
Yeah.
We didn't do the birthday.
We did the birthday in the funeral because all the people came and I preached.
Yeah.
So my brother won 18 souls that day.
Wow.
And thank God he got saved.
Thank God he wins.
And he told my mom, I'll be there tomorrow to do errands with you and all that stuff.
My brother was 44 a week before to his 45th birthday.
Today is his birthday.
My brother's birthday today, right?
My brother's birthday today.
So we're doing the podcast on his birthday.
And all the people came.
I'm talking about like Saddam and Gamal came to his funeral.
Yeah, because he was in that community.
Yeah, he was in that community.
I mean, we talk about everybody from A to Z showed up.
And I'm pretty sure God loved the world.
He gave his only begotten son.
And those people, 18.
Because, you know, we look at people, right?
And we see the homosexuality.
We see this.
But we don't see the brokenness.
We don't see what happened to them.
We don't see who raped them, who molested them.
We don't see that.
But God sees it.
And God loved them in the funeral.
And 18 people raised their hands and said, I want Jesus.
And it was a glorious moment.
That's so cool.
So growing up, going back to your dad,
your dad passes away.
My question is, when you,
cause those, your father was so abusive.
Yes.
And you saw those demons and they were scary.
What made you go continue in witchcraft in Santeria,
seeing that as a child?
I made it because it was engrafted in the family.
And when something is engrafted,
the devil makes it cultural.
But your grandmother did it, your mother did it,
your uncle did it, your father did it, now you do it.
So it becomes the norm.
So to us, it was, oh, they're going to protect us,
they're going to provide for us, they're going to bless us.
So we follow the trend, the spiritual trend
in the family bloodline.
So you thought it was going to be different for you.
Yes, so I went in it.
And then the crazy thing, I went in it for 25 years.
25 years?
25 years of witchcraft, yeah.
25 years.
I did all the ceremonies in the demonic world,
Santeria, Paloma, Yumba, spiritualism.
I got married on Halloween.
And the very person I hated the most,
I became just like my dad.
an absentee with my daughter,
I would tell my daughter,
I got divorced.
Witchcraft brought divorce to my family.
So my daughter would be by the window
at two years old waiting for me,
for me to pick her up
and take her for ice cream
and I'd never show up.
So I was the same dad
that never gave me, my brothers,
that opportunity, that love,
schoolyard, baseball glove,
tickets to the Yankee game or whatever.
Never had, did the same thing.
But later on,
God redeemed my time with my daughter.
Me and my daughter,
I painted about Angelic today.
That's so good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's good.
And did that relationship change when you got saved?
In the beginning?
In the beginning, no.
In the beginning, because my daughter, I grafted my daughter into the witchcraft world.
Did you really?
Yeah, my daughter was into heavy.
And her mother was into witchcraft?
Her mother was into witchcraft.
Okay.
So when I got saved, I was the enemy.
Because my daughter was into the witchcraft world.
Her mother was into the witchcraft world.
How old was she when you got saved?
11.
Okay.
And that's a hard age.
She's 36 now.
Oh.
I dedicated my daughter to the witch, to the demons and the principalities.
And my ex-wife was in it.
So when I got saved, I was like, I had this burden on myself.
Like, Lord, I brought this woman to the witchcraft world.
If she doesn't get saved, send somebody to get her saved because I'm going to feel guilty.
I'm going to feel like I introduced her.
And one day she calls me up and she says, hey, I bought a house and...
You want to come see where your daughter's going to live?
I said, okay.
I drive up there.
So it was about an hour and a half drive.
We drive.
I parked in front of the new house to see where my daughter's going to live.
Man, the Holy Spirit came into the car and I said, hey, you've been practicing witchcraft for how many years now?
Where did it get you?
I said, I don't know.
I said, why don't you just give Jesus a chance,
come into your heart.
And Holy Spirit came into the car.
She said, yes, give me Jesus.
I accept Jesus.
And I bought her to the witchcraft front
and I bought her to the cross.
And then she accepted Jesus
and she took all her witchcraft stuff,
she threw it away in the trash.
And she moved into her new house with the Holy Spirit.
Oh, that's so good.
So she got saved and my daughter got saved later.
So it was a win-win situation.
That's so good.
Yup, yup, yup.
So I was like,
How old was your daughter when that happened?
No, when she was engrafted to the witchcraft world?
No, how old was she when your...
Because that was your...
My first wife.
Your first wife.
My ex-wife.
My daughter Amanda's mother.
Y'all were divorced at that point, though.
We were divorced.
Yeah, because you—
She was someone else.
Yeah, she was a witch, and you were still saved.
I was saved, yeah.
But the mom got saved, and then the daughter—
Then my daughter Amanda, she got saved a little later with me,
because I kept talking to her, and she said,
Dad, that's—because my daughter went to college.
She became a psychology major.
Oh, wow.
And they brainwashed her in college.
I mean, we're talking about—my daughter was atheist.
at the time she went to college in finish.
And she was an atheist.
She said, my words, black and white.
I don't, you believe in your religion.
That's fine.
I'm a black and white person.
I believe things black and white.
You know, she was, they brainwashed her.
So I kept praying for my daughter, praying
and quoting scripture.
Lord, you said for me, my house was served Jesus Christ.
You know, Abraham was generational.
He thought about, he wanted an Isaac.
You gave him an Isaac.
And I kept talking to God.
And one day, my daughter, you know, the Lord shift everything around.
Man, my daughter accepted Jesus.
And now today, my daughter's like, Dad, I think I got a calling.
I want to go watch you preach.
So in Brooklyn, I'm preaching in Brooklyn, October 31st.
My daughter's coming for the first time to hear Dad preach.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, that's so cool.
I love redemption.
Yeah, it's a redemption story
because we started engrafted in witchcraft.
I always tell people,
it's not what you start, it's what you finish.
That's a good word.
And if God holds the pen of your story,
he's going to write a masterpiece.
He is. And He can redeem anyone.
But what I love about your story too is that you had these moments of opportunity
and you would minister in obedience and the Holy Spirit would show up
and so different people would get saved.
Salvation, healing, deliverance.
You know what was amazing, Rebecca?
That I would do altar calls for little people.
I bring them up to altar call, dedicate.
If you're too smart, dedicate.
If you're a teenager, I introduce you to Christ.
And my daughter will call me up during the time,
about two or three years ago, she will call me and say,
dad, I'm gonna commit suicide.
I'm oppressed, depressed.
Nothing is happening.
My life, I'm not married.
I don't have, I don't have my friends at college disappear.
Today's my last week.
I think I take my life.
And I will hang up my daughter and pray and cry.
And I said, Lord, Jesus,
Don't let my daughter die.
That's my only child.
And God said to me, if you take care of my house,
I'll take care of your house.
And man, I had the altar calls everywhere I went.
I said, kids would sit down and say, don't let me chase you.
You better come up to the altar.
I had the altar calls like crazy.
And today my daughter's in love with Jesus.
Amen?
So God is good.
He is good.
Because, you know, I always say, it's not what you see.
It's what you believe, which is faith.
Yeah.
Right?
And God does the rest.
God is faithful.
God is a good dad.
He's a good father.
And even when my mom went home this January with the Lord, I lay hands on my mom.
I prayed for her.
I anointed her.
I said, Lord, take 10 years of my life.
Give it to her.
I said, give her 10 years of my life.
I go home early.
Don't let my mom, don't let my moms go to heaven yet.
And God did it his way.
My mom died from stomach cancer.
And we did the funeral.
And even though my mom's got healed anyway, because there's no sick people in heaven.
Yeah.
Right?
And even in the funeral, I told the Hirsch guy, I'm going with you.
He said, no, you're not.
You're going to give me fire.
I said, I'm going with you.
He said, no, you're not.
I said, yes, I am.
He said, no, you're not.
I said, yes, I am.
He said, okay, come with me.
Sneak in the car.
I said, but if you lose your job, I'll get you a job.
I told him, we got in the car.
I was speaking in tongues all the way to the funeral.
This guy was an unbeliever, right?
I'm speaking in tongues.
I said, Lord, if you can rise Lazarus from the dead, you can rise my mom.
He might get into a car accident.
He's going to freak out.
He's going to crash the car if my mom wakes up from back here.
But you know what?
We went to the funeral.
We went to the cemetery.
And my mom was a champion because my mom was my mom and dad,
and she knew Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior.
At 78, my mom went to heaven, and I know that she's having a good time in heaven.
Yeah.
Amen. So she got healed anyway.
So it is, again, a redemption story.
It's part of the book, you know.
It's a redemption story that if you give God the pen of your story,
You don't need white out.
He'll write a masterpiece.
Yeah.
And he'll use all the parts, good and bad, to create that masterpiece.
And I love that you said you prayed and you interceded for your mom, but you ultimately trusted God.
Trusted God.
And you didn't allow yourself to get hardened.
No.
And disappointment.
Disappointment or discourage or quit the ministry.
How do you not let that happen?
I believe, you know, I pray for people that had cancer that got healed.
Yeah.
I pray for people that they couldn't have babies and got their miracles.
So there's millions of miracles in heaven that God has, and I didn't get one.
but I knew that God did it his way.
And the Bible said his way is a higher.
And today my brother and I, we talk, right?
And we said, in a way we rejoiced
my mom went home with the Lord
because my mom lived in the Bronx
and the area she lived in was a beautiful area.
Now it deteriorated.
There's a lot of muggings, a lot of hurting,
And we would have been worried because my mom walked everywhere.
Oh, wow.
And my mom would take the bus everywhere because New York City transportation is easy to get around.
So my mom at 78, she'd be walking around doing her thing.
And I'm like, what about someone that came and tried to hurt her, take her money, whatever.
So you see, so even though January was a tough time and still it's a tough time today,
it's a surreal moment.
Our mom is not here.
But we rejoice because we say we don't have to worry that.
You know, someone is going to show up and a bad guy is going to show up and hurt my mom because, you know, a lack of, they want to get some money off her or whatever.
So God did it his way.
And I rejoice today.
I'm not mad.
You know, I think too much in Jesus Christ to doubt.
Yeah.
my salvation, my redemption, my daughter, my eyesight.
I'm still healing from it.
Two surgeries.
I was registered with the Commission of the Blind in New York State.
And God still shows up and still shows up 1159, 1159, 1159.
And it's a glorious moment.
And we don't say goodbye when our parents go home, right?
We say, we see you later.
Anyway.
Oh, wow.
Right?
So it's not a final goodbye.
No, it's not.
Thank God.
It's a temporary.
It's hard enough just to temporary goodbye.
Exactly.
We don't say goodbye.
The world says goodbye to their parents and their loved ones.
We don't say goodbye.
We say, we see you later.
Exactly.
Because heaven is our home.
So you have another brother?
You have two brothers?
Yes.
So the other one got saved too?
All my brothers saved.
My last brother's right here, George.
And George is here.
George did almost 10 years in jail.
And he sold drugs like he was selling candy.
And he was, I thought every time I used to call him
and say, Jesus love you, he would change his cell number.
And then God spoke to him and God said, spend time with your mother.
He heard the voice of God, so he even...
And he took care of my mom for 23 months.
My mom, he moved in and babysit my mom, took care of her and did everything with my mom.
And then he came to one of my meetings and gave his life to the Lord.
And now he follows me around.
When I go preach, it comes with me.
What?
So we have another redemption story in the studio.
That's a redemption story.
That's powerful.
God is not done.
And I have a brother in Florida, you know, that we fight a lot.
He loved the cowboys.
He's a big cowboy friend.
I'm like, you need salvation.
No, I'm only kidding.
And God just took the broken pieces from the ashes,
and he just put them together.
My family just coming to Christ.
And I never, ever thought he would come to Christ.
Because, I mean, he was crazy as a fruitcake.
And God got a hold of him, and now we travel.
And then when we used to get on the plane for the first time,
he'd pop a sleeping pill and fall out.
And it's all because my eyesight.
I couldn't go, I had no one to go with me to my appointments.
And he said, I volunteered and I come with you.
And God used that to bring him to the cross.
Wow.
Yup, yup.
So him helping you out.
Helping me out to go to my doctor's appointment in Indiana.
He will come with me and go to my appointment in Indiana.
And then when the plane hit turbulence,
he said, what's that? What's that?
I said, it's a pothole up in the sky.
And he came, and now we just got back from preaching in California, and we came here to see you.
And he loves the Lord, and he's been saved for almost a year now, and that's it.
And it's just him, myself, and my other brother in Florida, because my other family members, they distanced themselves, whatever.
And my mom was the...
the trunk of the tree, but God is good.
God is good.
Redemption is real.
God is real.
And I always tell people, you know,
you will never go wrong if you give God an opportunity to come into your life.
That's so good.
And if you, even though you have struggled with your eyes, it helped lead.
It led him to the cross.
Exactly.
Right. I mean, Paul talks to the Philippian church and said, I think he had a problem.
He had a sickness.
He talked about his eyes.
He said, you're treating me like an angel.
You're treating me like Jesus myself.
And in that redemption story that Paul speaks about in the Philippians.
All these people came and loved them poor,
and they got to know Jesus, and they built a relationship.
They even supported poor ministry, financially.
One thing, what devil meant for evil,
God would turn around for good.
That's so good.
Every given time, every day, all day.
God knows the beginning and the end.
After, since you lost your father at a young age,
and you would get saved later on in life,
Do you feel like God brought you to a point
after getting saved where He said,
you probably need to forgive your dad?
I wrote a letter of forgiveness in my first book, Out of Devil's Cauldron.
I wrote a letter to my dad of forgiveness, a beautiful letter I wrote to my dad.
And I said, dad, if you would have been here, we would have been preaching together, and you would have been proud.
And I'm pretty sure my dad would have been saved.
You know, I always say it wasn't my dad's fault, everything that happened in the house, in the beginning it was.
But God showed me my dad was never loved by his dad.
He was never accepted by his dad.
He never had a family.
So what role model did he have when he was growing up?
Well, I didn't have a role model either, right?
And the only reason today I'm a good dad
And I can provide for my daughter and love my daughter
because Jesus Christ showed me how to be a dad.
Wow.
And he came into my, Jesus poured his love into my heart
and I was able to pour it to my daughters and my family.
And my dad didn't have that.
So, you know, he grew up with a dad
that was a drunk in the streets of Puerto Rico.
Then they came home and then maybe when the dad was home,
he was still absent.
Cause my dad went home,
he still didn't feel like he was there.
He was absent.
Because he didn't have nothing to give because no one gave him anything.
So I love my dad.
And I forgave him.
And forgiveness is also a redemption story when you forgive, right?
Both people benefit.
The only people that get kicked to the curb is the devil.
That's a good word.
Right?
And I love the word where you said that God taught you how to be a father.
How to be a dad to my daughter.
Yeah.
You know, my daughter tells me, you know, I know it's going to be the best years of my life now.
I got my dad back.
Right?
So me and my daughter, we talk every day.
We talk.
She's 36.
We talk.
We pray.
And she taught people, Jesus is my Savior.
You know, before it was college.
Now college is obsolete.
It's good to have an education, but...
Jesus Christ is her everything now.
And her mom's too.
So everything down the line, God is rewriting the story.
It's like the woman that was caught in adultery, right?
Yep.
Jesus went down to the ground and rewrote her story.
Right?
So God knows how to take the broken.
God is better than crazy glue.
Yeah, he restores.
Completely.
So I know that we've kind of done the before and the after the cross,
kind of talking about different redemptions,
but how did you actually get saved?
Because I realized we didn't talk about that in this episode.
Oh, I actually was October, like now.
October, right?
October month is witchcraft month.
Yeah.
For the sickness and the warlocks and the witches, right?
So October, we prepare.
It's called the high season of witchcraft.
We prepare October to do witchcraft on people, curse people.
My job as a warlock.
as a warlock, I had to have a worship in New York City,
from New York City to Cuba, from Miami to Haiti,
and back to New York.
That was my round in the spirit.
So my job was to prepare,
I used to astral project, leave my body,
and curse regions, and curse neighborhoods,
you know, animal blood, drinking my own blood,
cutting my own blood, doing all this stuff,
all these rituals that I would do,
all these witchcraft that had lined up.
In October of 1999, I was sitting in my bed,
And I have gone to church with the backsliding young lady
that I met with a boyfriend and girlfriend.
And she told me, come to church with me.
And I got demon possessed, grabbed the pastor by the throat,
picked him up in the air, turned blue.
And so I went there two weeks in a row
and almost killed the first brother.
And then the second week, I almost killed the second brother.
So I said, I might go on back to church.
I'm embarrassed.
Because you were manifesting in the church?
Manifesting in church, grabbing the pastor by the throat, up in the air.
I mean, the guy weighed like 230 pounds and he was floating in the air, purple.
People run out the seats, grab my hands off the throat of the pastor and do all that, you know, embarrassing moments.
I was home one night, I came from devil worshiping,
recruiting people from clubs,
and I was sitting in my house early in the morning.
After I woke up, I got home by five in the morning.
I got up by eight, I put the TV on,
I was watching Jerry Springer.
And I was watching Jerry Springer.
And this is the incredible moment.
and I'm watching Jerry Springer,
and I heard the voice of God for the first time.
Now, Rebecca, I knew the devil's voice.
I know principality, water spirit, marine spirit,
territory spirit, feminist spirit.
I know all the voice of these demons.
And when the voice of God spoke to me
audibly for the first time,
He said, my son, I'm coming soon.
What are you going to do with yourself?
I knew that was the voice of God.
It was unique, one of a kind, an original voice.
And the voice sounded like a brook, a river.
But inside that brook, a river has an authority that can move the universe.
And I looked around and I saw my sky turn on fire.
And I saw people in my living room running, a vision.
They can running, hiding from the whole,
the whole sky was flamed up on fire.
And I shook it off.
A week later, I'm sitting in my bed.
And I said, I said, Jesus, I don't know what they call you.
I'm not going back to church.
I love being a devil worshiper.
I love the devil.
I don't want to be part of your Christian church.
I don't want to be part of you.
When my father used to beat up my mother,
you never showed up.
When the pastor at eight years old, I went to a schoolyard and he was preaching.
He got off the stage and he prayed for all the people.
He passed me by.
You never loved me.
So why you want me now?
I had this thing with talking this dialogue with Jesus on my bed, October.
I said, I'd rather be a devil worshiper,
die as a devil worshiper, because I love the devil
and I love the power in devil worshiping.
But if you're bigger than my daddy,
the devil, you show me tonight or leave me alone.
So I fell into, I was falling into this anesthesia sleep,
but I was passing away.
I passed away, I died in my apartment.
I ended up in this train going hell bound,
faster than anything in the planet,
faster than the speed of light, it was moving.
In the train you had people, you couldn't see their faces,
but the terror in the train,
knew we were going somewhere that we weren't coming back.
And Jezebel was on the train
because I had a contract with Jezebel
in the witchcraft world.
And Jezebel was telling me in demonic tongues,
you're a traitor, you're a traitor, you're a traitor.
And I'm like, why would she call me a traitor?
We supposed to be friends.
So the train hit hell.
When the train hit hell, I got off the train
and I stepped on the ground in hell.
And the ground in hell is nothing like the earth.
It breathes like a person.
It breathes.
It breathes like if you step in someone's belly
and it breathes, that's what the ground in hell feels like.
And it feels like marshmallow if you step on it
and it breathes, but it's alive.
And hell means the absence of God.
So I'm stepping in hell, I'm walking to hell
and I see my cousin there.
And my cousin's alive on the earth.
And later God told me, here never make heaven.
So I'm walking to the portals,
and then the fear in hell wraps around you like a python.
Squeezes you.
When it squeezes you, it torments you.
So I'm going to hell.
The devil comes out in hell.
I loved you.
You were my son.
I gave you all my secrets from my kingdom
from the age of eight.
to the age of 35, I can't let you live.
You're going to tell everybody how I entrapped people,
the 21 rules of the dark side,
how I trapped people to fashion and religion,
how I trapped people to humanity and culture.
You're going to tell people all the secrets.
You need to die.
You break my heart.
When he went to Grammy, the cross of Calgary showed up.
I mean, this big wooden cross showed up,
and it was between me and the devil.
So it was between me and the devil.
So that means that the devil is over here, the cross here.
I'm on this other side of the cross.
So when he went to grab me, the cross showed up, the wooden cross,
this big ancient wooden cross showed up.
And the devil made contact.
He felt like a piece of paper.
And so that means...
The cross in the middle means intercession.
The cross was interceding for my salvation.
So I ran into hell and then the devil showed up again.
But this time he showed up with the horns and the wings.
He said, I have to kill you.
He had stain in his body because he fell from grace.
So you saw him differently the second time?
Yeah, differently this time.
What did he look like the first time?
Oh, the first time he was elegant.
You know, like I was some elegant, sophisticated, very antique, very charming, very finesse, good talker.
Saw him that way.
But this time around, his true identity showed up.
Wow.
He still have to kill you.
When he went to grab me again, the cross showed up.
and hit him, I mean, the cross had dropped him
like a piece of paper.
And then once that happened, I went back into my body
like a lightning bolt.
It felt like they were doing paddles on my chest,
like from ICU.
And I came back to life in my bed
and everything started to run again.
I bent my knee, I said, Lord, I follow you.
Wow.
And I went to follow Jesus.
And I had $100,000 worth of witchcraft in my house.
Human bones.
I mean, dirt from different cemeteries.
I threw everything away.
And I followed Jesus for 25 years, never looked back.
And then you spent-
That's my salvation.
That's powerful.
And then you spent some time with David Wilkerson,
one of my favorite preachers.
You know what my deliverance was?
Yeah, no, tell me.
So I had all this witchcraft done in my body, right?
Yeah. All these ceremonies.
So they put me in a baptism pool, right?
I was like the 75 person,
I was the last person that got baptized.
Was this at Times Square?
And there was this church called
Wonder Hill in the Bronx.
So they put me in the baptism pool,
so I had Jesus going to the pool.
And the real hands of Jesus Christ went to the pool and pulled out all my ceremonies out of my body.
Really?
Yeah, they all came out.
I mean, squeaky.
We're talking about like, this is better than Mr. Clean.
Squeaky.
I mean, everything came out.
And I got out.
When I came out of the water, I said, did you see those big hands?
They're like the size of the hands like the Mickey Mouse.
They went to the pool and took everything out.
And then a couple of weeks later, I'm sitting in discipleship class and they asked me,
you want to read Isaiah 53, John?
And I was shy. I was in the back. I had tabs in my Bible.
If you told me to go to Revelation, I'd be in Genesis.
I didn't know the Bible at all.
So I'm sitting there. I said, okay, I'll read it.
So I turned to page 53 and I started to read Isaiah 53.
When I got halfway through it, I wept a supernatural weeping.
I couldn't read it anymore.
And that was my inner healing that I needed from my father,
my mom, my brokenness, my childhood.
God hit me from the inside out.
Wow.
He took all the ceremonies at the baptism pool,
ripped them all. That's why baptism is so important.
And then when I read Isaiah 53, halfway through it, I was just weeping, but it was a supernatural cry.
It wasn't a normal cry.
And God healed my broken pieces inside my heart from all the child abuse and everything that I went through in that childhood.
God took care of everything.
And I'm complete and I hold on Jesus.
That's so powerful.
Yeah.
Well, I want to keep talking.
So you're going to have to come back another time.
I have more questions about more stories,
but I love ending on that note.
And can you just say a prayer for the people
that are watching right now?
Amen.
I want to tell people.
Yeah, go for it.
You've been to so many things in life.
up and down, rollercoaster rides,
emptiness, hollow, oppression, depression.
And even medication is not going to do anything for you
what Jesus can do for you.
You can try everything.
You might try the occult.
You might try tarot card readings to tell your future.
The devil don't know the future.
He don't even know his.
You try all kinds of things to make your life better,
maybe to improve your life, to feel peace, to feel joy,
to feel complete.
You might have your up and down, losing your job,
losing a loved one, like I lost my mama.
You might lose a marriage, you might lose this,
and you have nowhere to go.
There's only one place that can redeem
your whole entire life, the cross of Jesus Christ,
who loves you, who made you.
Matter of fact, He gave you a birthday
and sent you into time.
That's how much He loves you.
Or you have to say, hey, turn your life to Jesus.
Lord, I'm going to give you a chance.
Come into my heart.
Forgive me for my sins.
Be my Lord and Savior.
And I pray right now, Father, in Jesus' name,
that he would touch you from the top of your head,
your soul, your feet.
He would introduce himself to you.
He will bless you.
He will put His love in your heart,
and He will show you the way
because He is the way, the truth, and the life.
And there's no other person like Jesus Christ
on this universe and this planet
that loves you, that will redeem you.
And listen, one thing about Jesus Christ,
He's no respected person.
He would do what He done for me.
He would do a lot greater for you.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.
Thank you so much, John.
Thank you for having me.
I feel so good now.
I feel like you had me on Zoom and now you have me here.
I'm like, oh, in October.
So amazing.
How does this keep happening?
You're an amazing person.
You love God.
And I see the, you know, Wilkinson said to me, I see Jesus Christ in you.
Oh, thank you so much.
You're a powerful woman of God.
Thank you.
You walk polite, but you carry a beautiful anointing.
Thank you so much.
So I appreciate you very much.
We appreciate you.
And for your book, where do they get it?
They can go to my website.
My website, I actually got the book,
Out of Devil's Cardinal.
I got the book called The Other Side of the Cross,
which is The Other Side of the Cross,
the second part two.
But I have a documentary and I also gonna have a devotion
with it to help people, the devotional and Q and A
and all that stuff.
That's so cool.
I just wanna be the person that go, go that way.
Yeah.
To Calvary.
Yeah.
And you'll be okay.
Well, I love how God has just redeemed your life
and that He's been using you, working through you
to point people to the cross.
That's just such a powerful story.
I'm a good tool guy.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for being here.
Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure.