WEBVTT 00:00.471 --> 00:03.071 My father was engrafted by this demonic demon 00:03.071 --> 00:04.491 that he worshiped in the house. 00:04.491 --> 00:06.071 I used to look through the little door 00:06.071 --> 00:07.691 and see my dad worshiping, 00:07.691 --> 00:10.691 and the place in the room was so demonic 00:10.691 --> 00:12.451 that you could cut it with a knife. 00:12.451 --> 00:13.991 And we grew up that way. 00:13.991 --> 00:15.691 The devil is very deceptive, 00:15.691 --> 00:20.371 and he works in ways where he makes things seem innocent. 00:20.365 --> 00:24.905 to people and it's a trap to hook children, to hook people. 00:24.905 --> 00:29.165 And if you can understand how the Kingdom of Darkness operates, 00:29.165 --> 00:32.545 it's not as hard to fall for his tricks and his schemes. 00:32.545 --> 00:36.465 Yeah, but one thing you can do, you cannot change the identity of the devil. 00:36.625 --> 00:37.544 He is the devil. 00:37.545 --> 00:40.385 He come to kill, steal and destroy. 00:50.842 --> 00:53.182 Okay, welcome back to the podcast, y'all. 00:53.782 --> 00:56.042 My very first guest ever. 00:56.162 --> 00:59.062 If you go onto the channel and you go back to the first episode, 00:59.282 --> 01:01.482 it was with this guest, John Ramirez. 01:01.642 --> 01:02.641 Yes, it was. 01:02.642 --> 01:03.861 And it was amazing. 01:03.862 --> 01:07.722 It was amazing because you came gunslinging prepare. 01:08.422 --> 01:13.682 I mean, I was like, you broke down Halloween and it was just epic. 01:13.882 --> 01:14.561 It was amazing. 01:14.562 --> 01:16.302 I learned a lot. 01:16.289 --> 01:19.309 Yeah, and you were so gracious to do the interview. 01:19.469 --> 01:21.049 We did it, y'all, on Zoom. 01:21.309 --> 01:21.908 Yes. 01:21.909 --> 01:24.489 Which, I mean, just such a great way to kick it off. 01:24.529 --> 01:25.669 But, you know, I think for me, 01:26.469 --> 01:28.229 and this is one of the reasons why I love your ministry 01:28.229 --> 01:29.389 and I love what you do, 01:29.469 --> 01:32.809 because I feel like you were one of the original 01:33.974 --> 01:36.614 former Satanists talking about this kind of stuff. 01:36.634 --> 01:38.534 Because I think when you really first came on the scene 01:38.534 --> 01:39.233 with your testimony, 01:39.234 --> 01:41.514 I didn't really hear of really anyone else 01:41.514 --> 01:43.954 that was talking about this kind of stuff. 01:44.094 --> 01:46.454 Now, more and more people are coming forward, 01:46.634 --> 01:48.054 former witches and warlocks. 01:49.027 --> 01:50.026 people in the occult. 01:50.027 --> 01:51.287 But back when you were doing it, 01:51.807 --> 01:53.627 I feel like you were one of the only ones. 01:53.647 --> 01:55.587 Yeah, I was like, I felt alone. 01:55.707 --> 01:57.527 I said, Lord, go get some more people. 01:57.707 --> 02:01.127 I mean, we need more voices to talk about the dark side 02:01.127 --> 02:03.387 and implications and the consequences 02:03.387 --> 02:04.847 of spiritual that brings to the table. 02:05.041 --> 02:09.401 Exactly. And I think for me, that's why it started on that foot. 02:09.501 --> 02:11.881 I think, you know, God always works everything out. 02:12.681 --> 02:14.701 And I always think about that verse that says, 02:14.821 --> 02:16.781 a righteous man's steps are ordered by the Lord. 02:16.821 --> 02:19.061 And I just think, you know, it was fitting 02:19.061 --> 02:22.801 because one of my original intentions with this channel 02:22.801 --> 02:26.001 was to expose the work of darkness 02:26.001 --> 02:28.701 so that people could have discernment and be aware 02:28.701 --> 02:32.301 and make spiritually wise decisions for themselves and their families. 02:33.001 --> 02:33.002 Right. 02:33.003 --> 02:44.743 And, you know, the thing that I've come to realize is the devil is very deceptive and he works in ways where he makes things seem innocent to people. 02:44.743 --> 02:48.583 And it's a trap to hook children, to hook people. 02:48.583 --> 02:56.443 And if you can understand how the kingdom of darkness operates, it's not as hard to fall for his tricks and his schemes. 02:56.442 --> 02:59.502 You know, one thing about the devil, he'll sugarcoat everything. 02:59.642 --> 03:00.581 He'll dress it up. 03:00.582 --> 03:01.941 He'll make it look pretty. 03:01.942 --> 03:05.422 But one thing you can't do, you cannot change the identity of the devil. 03:05.742 --> 03:06.641 He is the devil. 03:06.642 --> 03:11.422 No matter how you dress him for Halloween, no matter how you dress him for any occasion, 03:11.642 --> 03:12.762 he'll always be the devil. 03:12.882 --> 03:15.382 Because one thing about the devil, you cannot change his identity. 03:15.702 --> 03:18.142 He comes to kill, steal, and destroy. 03:18.295 --> 03:19.895 Yeah, that's so good. 03:19.895 --> 03:21.595 How many years have you been in ministry now? 03:21.595 --> 03:22.434 And how long have you been saved? 03:22.435 --> 03:23.535 Going on 25. 03:23.535 --> 03:24.374 What? 03:24.375 --> 03:25.214 I saved for 25 years. 03:25.215 --> 03:26.054 No, not in ministry. 03:26.055 --> 03:29.335 Ministry probably about, give or take 10 years, 15 years, 03:29.335 --> 03:30.635 but saved 25. 03:30.635 --> 03:31.474 Wow. 03:31.475 --> 03:33.875 And I came out of devil worshiping after 25 years. 03:33.875 --> 03:36.995 So we run in the race, but God knows how to multiply. 03:36.995 --> 03:37.934 So he's moving on. 03:37.935 --> 03:39.095 He's moving pretty fast in my life. 03:39.095 --> 03:39.914 He does. 03:39.915 --> 03:40.734 And that's one of the things, 03:40.735 --> 03:42.355 we're going to talk about your new book 03:42.355 --> 03:44.295 because you wrote, Out of the Devil's Cauldron. 03:44.295 --> 03:45.134 Yes. 03:45.135 --> 03:45.974 This is the next chapter. 03:45.975 --> 03:47.875 Next chapter, on the other side of the cross. 03:47.877 --> 03:50.077 Yes, the redemption story. 03:50.077 --> 03:51.657 Yeah, the redemption story, absolutely. 03:52.077 --> 03:53.817 And it's kind of like the Apostle Paul, 03:54.057 --> 03:57.137 where you kind of reference how Paul was doing all this stuff. 03:57.577 --> 03:59.817 He was zealous, killing Christians, 03:59.937 --> 04:02.417 but when he got saved, it was a radical transformation. 04:03.077 --> 04:04.757 And in the time that he had, 04:05.297 --> 04:08.357 God redeemed the time and used his life to make such an impact. 04:08.532 --> 04:09.671 multiplied it. 04:09.672 --> 04:12.332 And today, I mean, thank God for Paul 04:12.332 --> 04:14.732 because one third of the New Testament, 04:15.492 --> 04:17.352 he had a good pen and he wrote. 04:17.612 --> 04:19.412 And that's what you're trying to say through this book 04:19.412 --> 04:22.312 is you're trying to say that God can redeem your life 04:22.312 --> 04:23.912 no matter what you were involved in. 04:23.972 --> 04:25.232 Look at what you were involved in 04:25.232 --> 04:26.772 and look at how God has redeemed your life. 04:26.812 --> 04:28.632 And really God has used you 04:28.632 --> 04:31.152 to really kind of give a black eye to the devil 04:31.152 --> 04:34.212 because you were so ingrained in that world 04:34.212 --> 04:35.412 when you came out. 04:35.492 --> 04:37.312 Anyone that has a wild testimony like that, 04:39.132 --> 04:41.918 they 04:41.919 --> 04:44.478 shine so much light and truth into that dark world. 04:44.479 --> 04:46.838 So do you want to talk a little bit about your testimony 04:46.839 --> 04:48.418 for anyone that hasn't heard your story before? 04:48.419 --> 04:51.118 And then I want to get on the other side. 04:51.119 --> 04:52.358 And I want to talk about your ministry experiences. 04:52.359 --> 04:53.138 I was reading about those. 04:53.139 --> 04:55.538 So interesting. 04:55.539 --> 04:57.938 I definitely have some questions about that as well. 04:57.939 --> 04:58.738 But let's talk about growing up. 04:58.739 --> 05:02.482 Mm-hmm. 05:02.483 --> 05:03.822 How did you get involved in basically Satanism? 05:03.823 --> 05:05.082 Satanism, you know. 05:05.083 --> 05:05.602 Or Santeria. 05:05.603 --> 05:06.122 Santeria. 05:06.123 --> 05:07.662 You're in Santeria. 05:07.663 --> 05:09.802 The same station as Santeria. 05:09.803 --> 05:14.542 Santeria means worship of saints. 05:14.543 --> 05:19.270 It's worship of demons on the back end because that's what they do. 05:19.271 --> 05:21.610 And, you know, we know the whole history, Jehovah religion came from Africa. 05:21.611 --> 05:22.870 It moved over to Cuba. 05:22.871 --> 05:25.290 It moved over to the States. 05:25.291 --> 05:26.330 It became something, became a cultural phenomenon. 05:26.331 --> 05:27.130 And it's still really popular now. 05:27.131 --> 05:27.850 Oh, it's very popular. 05:27.851 --> 05:29.170 You go to Cuba. 05:29.171 --> 05:31.130 You go to Miami. 05:31.131 --> 05:32.151 People are dressing white. 05:34.431 --> 05:36.390 They're dressing white because holiness comes within. 05:36.391 --> 05:36.990 So for them, holiness comes without. 05:36.991 --> 05:40.350 Yeah. 05:40.351 --> 05:45.450 You know, they dress in white, you know, sacrifice of animals 05:45.451 --> 05:48.990 because it's a copycat of what Jesus Christ did at the cross for us. 05:48.991 --> 05:50.470 The ultimate sacrifice, God shed the blood for the sins of the world. 05:50.471 --> 05:52.350 And they're saying they're praying to saints. 05:52.351 --> 05:52.370 So they're kind of twisting the Catholic thing. 05:52.371 --> 05:52.910 They're praying for saints, but they're demons. 05:52.911 --> 05:57.396 Yeah. 05:57.397 --> 06:00.156 But what they did was when they came into the Catholic church, 06:00.157 --> 06:03.236 the whole slavery situation, just to make a long story short, 06:03.237 --> 06:07.316 when they came in, they decided to worship deities 06:07.317 --> 06:10.036 just because the saints in Catholic church had a resemblance 06:10.037 --> 06:13.236 of their worship in the motherland. 06:13.237 --> 06:14.716 So they adopted that so they can confuse the people 06:14.717 --> 06:16.276 that brought them into the Catholic church. 06:16.277 --> 06:19.356 And they thought they would worship the same, 06:19.357 --> 06:21.006 but they worshiped the demons behind the saints. 06:21.007 --> 06:24.966 and whatnot, and they just took off. 06:24.967 --> 06:27.366 And it just, we have very popular people today 06:27.367 --> 06:30.166 in the music world, in the movies, 06:30.167 --> 06:32.206 that are santeria, santeros, and they practice this, 06:32.207 --> 06:34.186 and to them it's called the religion. 06:34.187 --> 06:35.786 And that's where I came from. 06:35.787 --> 06:36.966 I was birthed from that. 06:36.967 --> 06:40.106 But seven and a half years old, 06:40.107 --> 06:41.766 I was in a broken lot in the Bronx, South Bronx, 06:41.767 --> 06:43.286 in a necklace from the second heaven, 06:43.287 --> 06:46.426 the seven demonic powers. 06:46.427 --> 06:48.666 I put it on my neck, and my mother and my aunt 06:48.667 --> 06:52.405 went to the witch house, eight years old, 06:52.406 --> 06:53.645 I was engrafted from the eight all the way to 35. 06:53.646 --> 06:54.305 I got married Halloween. 06:54.306 --> 07:00.425 Yeah. 07:00.426 --> 07:01.085 And your mom, just to tell that story, that witch invited your mom and she just didn't want to be rude. 07:01.086 --> 07:03.525 Right. 07:03.526 --> 07:04.045 My mom was like too polite. 07:04.046 --> 07:06.925 Yeah. 07:06.926 --> 07:13.445 You know, and so then she pulls you in there. 07:13.446 --> 07:17.593 And then that witch like demonically prophesied saying you're going to lose your sight if you're not dedicated to the devil. 07:17.594 --> 07:18.933 Yes, exactly. And my mom fell for the, my mom drank the Kool-Aid. 07:18.934 --> 07:21.053 She fell for it. 07:21.054 --> 07:23.593 And your dad wasn't alive at this point? 07:23.594 --> 07:28.613 My dad was alive. My dad was a warlock. 07:28.614 --> 07:32.033 My father's sister, she's the one who inherited the whole witchcraft 07:32.034 --> 07:33.533 because my grandpa in Puerto Rico was a Christian, 07:33.534 --> 07:38.913 but he was a backsliding Christian. 07:38.914 --> 07:41.253 He was an alcoholic and he got into altercation with the witch of the town, 07:41.254 --> 07:43.781 the witch, I'm going to kill you, the witchcraft, which he did. 07:43.782 --> 07:45.801 killed my grandpa through witchcraft. 07:45.802 --> 07:47.141 And my aunt said, well, I'm going to join witchcraft 07:47.142 --> 07:50.621 to revenge my father's death. 07:50.622 --> 07:53.441 And that was the open door to my family bloodline curse. 07:53.442 --> 07:55.901 So the witchcraft, Santeria Palamayumba and spiritual 07:55.902 --> 07:58.481 came into my family and it was engrafted. 07:58.482 --> 08:00.521 Today, half of my family are Christians 08:00.522 --> 08:02.201 and the other half, they worship the devil. 08:02.202 --> 08:05.101 Really? Yeah. 08:05.102 --> 08:07.561 But what a crazy story about how it came in. 08:07.562 --> 08:11.846 How the very thing that killed, 08:11.847 --> 08:15.106 Your family in Puerto Rico, your aunt said, I'm going to do this so to protect us. 08:15.107 --> 08:23.486 Yeah, protect us and revenge on my grandpa's death. 08:23.487 --> 08:32.806 And then we came into, we immigrated to New York City, to the Bronx, and we met other people that practiced the religion. 08:32.807 --> 08:34.347 And then I was, at the age of eight, I was going to demon church from seven in the evening to five in the morning to be trained a quick disciple and mentor to be a warlock. 08:36.427 --> 08:38.046 When did your father pass away in all this? 08:38.047 --> 08:39.206 My father passed away at 33. 08:39.207 --> 08:43.066 I was 13 years old. 08:43.067 --> 08:45.846 My father got shot for a woman in a social club 08:45.847 --> 08:49.886 in the Bronx, where he had a good wife home. 08:49.887 --> 08:51.446 He got shot in the face and died instantly at 33 years old. 08:51.447 --> 08:55.146 My father died. 08:55.147 --> 09:00.626 Do you think the life being a warlock exposed him? 09:00.627 --> 09:06.166 I think, I believe that when we practice these demonic activities, whether you call it the 09:06.167 --> 09:10.086 religion, whether you call it cultural, or we call it something, you know, we inherit 09:10.087 --> 09:15.126 from family members, it brings, in the end, it brings premature death. 09:15.127 --> 09:19.686 Because what the Bible says, what seems right to a man, in the end, brings destruction. 09:19.687 --> 09:22.446 How was losing your father, did you feel like it upticked you going further into? 09:22.447 --> 09:24.031 Well, losing my father, to me, was a great thing. 09:24.032 --> 09:28.991 Really? Yeah. 09:28.992 --> 09:30.791 To me, I pray, I said, I pray because I felt like my father was an abusive father. 09:30.792 --> 09:32.211 He'll beat my mom. 09:32.212 --> 09:33.411 My mom beat my mom. 09:33.412 --> 09:35.291 He didn't put food on the table. 09:35.292 --> 09:38.431 My mom would wake up Monday morning. 09:38.432 --> 09:41.351 My mom had a black eye from the beating my father used to give her 09:41.352 --> 09:43.777 because he was so demon possessed and controlled by demons. 09:43.778 --> 09:48.877 We came from a broken home, a broken family. 09:48.878 --> 09:49.897 We would see demons walk around the house, like human beings in the house. 09:49.898 --> 09:51.517 We would be in torment. 09:51.518 --> 09:55.357 Then we'll go to school to get breakfast. 09:55.358 --> 09:58.417 And we didn't have money for school, for clothes, anything. 09:58.418 --> 09:59.937 So my father was a curse in the family. 09:59.938 --> 10:00.757 And I was like, oh, I hope he dies. 10:00.758 --> 10:04.237 I hope he dies. 10:04.238 --> 10:08.757 I would say because I didn't want my mom to get beat up and abused anymore. 10:08.758 --> 10:11.097 And when my father died, we felt it was like a relief in the family. 10:11.098 --> 10:14.851 Because as a torn man. 10:14.852 --> 10:19.771 My father would send me to the witches, it was called botanicas. 10:19.772 --> 10:23.151 He would send me to those places to buy the ingredients and buy candles and buy witchcraft stuff. 10:23.152 --> 10:26.351 And sometime when I come home, I didn't have the stuff that he needed. 10:26.352 --> 10:30.071 He thought that I didn't listen or heard right, didn't bring it. 10:30.072 --> 10:31.311 Oh, you stupid, you're a moron, you don't listen. 10:31.312 --> 10:33.651 Look, I needed this stuff. 10:33.652 --> 10:34.691 So my father was so engrafted into the witchcraft world. 10:34.692 --> 10:38.239 It was unbelievable. 10:38.240 --> 10:42.079 It was so engrafted that the day my father died, 10:42.080 --> 10:44.239 they did a ritual on the place he died to break the curse. 10:44.240 --> 10:47.139 And dogs showed up. 10:47.140 --> 10:49.239 Because in the Santeria, they believe in Lazarus, 10:49.240 --> 10:52.379 but it's not the Lazarus in the Bible, 10:52.380 --> 10:55.299 with the scars and the thing that was sitting by the beggar, 10:55.300 --> 10:59.286 the beggar and Lazarus, it wasn't that. 10:59.287 --> 11:00.706 copycat and my father was engrafted by this demonic demon 11:00.707 --> 11:02.246 that he worshiped in the house. 11:02.247 --> 11:05.746 I used to look through the little door 11:05.747 --> 11:08.626 and see my dad worshiping and the place in the room 11:08.627 --> 11:10.386 was so demonic that you could cut it with a knife. 11:10.387 --> 11:14.466 And we grew up that way. 11:14.467 --> 11:17.213 And when my father left the earth, we rejoiced. 11:17.214 --> 11:17.653 Did you feel like the demons that were associated with him? 11:17.654 --> 11:18.913 Oh, no. 11:18.914 --> 11:19.633 They stayed. 11:19.634 --> 11:21.793 They stayed. 11:21.794 --> 11:24.213 Because, you know, the devil always does this. 11:24.214 --> 11:25.833 The devil replaces the old with the new. 11:25.834 --> 11:29.113 So I was the new. 11:29.114 --> 11:29.913 Because they're familial spirits, so they'll stay around your family. 11:29.914 --> 11:35.433 Stay around. 11:35.434 --> 11:38.192 And, you know, the next person, which I was the oldest of the brothers— 11:38.193 --> 11:40.732 I got in it, and then my second brother was in it too. 11:40.733 --> 11:43.352 My second brother later on, he became a believer. 11:43.353 --> 11:44.932 My second brother was, it's crazy, 11:44.933 --> 11:46.012 because my second brother was transvestite. 11:46.013 --> 11:49.432 Really? 11:49.433 --> 11:51.752 Homosexual, bisexual, witch doctor, 11:51.753 --> 11:52.150 and married to a regular woman. 11:52.151 --> 11:57.890 What? 11:57.891 --> 11:59.270 And he was going to get heart surgery, to make a long story short. 11:59.271 --> 12:01.030 I went to preach to him in the hospital. 12:01.031 --> 12:03.770 The Lord said, go preach to him. 12:03.771 --> 12:06.810 I said, I'm going to preach to him because he's going to have all those crazy people in the hospital, 12:06.811 --> 12:07.710 and we're all going to get into a fight in the hospital because they're going to jump on me. 12:07.711 --> 12:09.910 I'm going to jump on them. 12:09.911 --> 12:11.090 And this is what happened when I went. 12:11.091 --> 12:12.410 It was a normal day. 12:12.411 --> 12:14.210 My brother was dead by himself. 12:14.211 --> 12:17.130 His name was Jimmy. 12:17.131 --> 12:18.070 He was dead by himself with his wife, ready to get him for heart surgery. 12:18.071 --> 12:19.190 He said, get out of my room. 12:19.191 --> 12:21.870 Don't talk to me about Jesus. 12:21.871 --> 12:23.630 I said, well, I'm not leaving until you hear the word of God. 12:23.631 --> 12:25.350 And he wept and wept. 12:25.351 --> 12:26.090 His wife wept and received Jesus. 12:26.091 --> 12:27.350 He got the surgery. 12:27.351 --> 12:28.050 He came home. 12:28.051 --> 12:28.870 He got baptized. 12:28.871 --> 12:30.150 He went to church. 12:30.151 --> 12:31.070 He renounced homosexuality. 12:31.071 --> 12:32.090 He renounced witchcraft. 12:32.091 --> 12:32.810 He got saved. 12:32.811 --> 12:35.750 He went to church. 12:35.751 --> 12:37.190 He was like, you better make me Christian music. 12:37.191 --> 12:38.570 How great is our God? 12:38.571 --> 12:39.210 You can only imagine. 12:39.211 --> 12:41.510 You better. 12:41.511 --> 12:42.110 I said, we can't do bootleg CDs, man. 12:42.111 --> 12:42.970 That's stealing. 12:42.971 --> 12:46.564 What's wrong with you? 12:46.565 --> 12:47.844 And a week before his birthday, he said, I'm going to throw my Christian party. 12:47.845 --> 12:49.244 I'm going to invite all my friends. 12:49.245 --> 12:52.224 And I said, don't do that. 12:52.225 --> 12:53.864 They're going to manifest in your house when they hear the Christian music. 12:53.865 --> 12:57.444 And he was like, I'm going to do it anyway. 12:57.445 --> 12:58.484 And that Thursday, my brother went to bed, woke up in eternity. 12:58.485 --> 12:59.044 No. 12:59.045 --> 12:59.864 Yeah. 12:59.865 --> 13:02.284 We didn't do the birthday. 13:02.285 --> 13:03.464 We did the birthday in the funeral because all the people came and I preached. 13:03.465 --> 13:05.264 Yeah. 13:05.265 --> 13:06.212 So my brother won 18 souls that day. 13:06.213 --> 13:08.272 Wow. 13:08.273 --> 13:09.452 And thank God he got saved. 13:09.453 --> 13:14.372 Thank God he wins. 13:14.373 --> 13:17.692 And he told my mom, I'll be there tomorrow to do errands with you and all that stuff. 13:17.693 --> 13:18.432 My brother was 44 a week before to his 45th birthday. 13:18.433 --> 13:19.652 Today is his birthday. 13:19.653 --> 13:21.032 My brother's birthday today, right? 13:21.033 --> 13:23.252 My brother's birthday today. 13:23.253 --> 13:25.712 So we're doing the podcast on his birthday. 13:25.713 --> 13:30.232 And all the people came. 13:30.233 --> 13:31.372 I'm talking about like Saddam and Gamal came to his funeral. 13:31.373 --> 13:32.232 Yeah, because he was in that community. 13:32.233 --> 13:35.572 Yeah, he was in that community. 13:35.573 --> 13:37.372 I mean, we talk about everybody from A to Z showed up. 13:37.373 --> 13:38.752 And I'm pretty sure God loved the world. 13:38.753 --> 13:40.392 He gave his only begotten son. 13:40.393 --> 13:42.632 And those people, 18. 13:42.633 --> 13:44.132 Because, you know, we look at people, right? 13:44.133 --> 13:44.632 And we see the homosexuality. 13:44.633 --> 13:46.152 We see this. 13:46.153 --> 13:47.472 But we don't see the brokenness. 13:47.473 --> 13:49.272 We don't see what happened to them. 13:49.273 --> 13:49.992 We don't see who raped them, who molested them. 13:49.993 --> 13:51.052 We don't see that. 13:51.053 --> 13:53.152 But God sees it. 13:53.153 --> 13:55.532 And God loved them in the funeral. 13:55.533 --> 13:57.972 And 18 people raised their hands and said, I want Jesus. 13:57.973 --> 14:00.075 And it was a glorious moment. 14:00.076 --> 14:02.435 That's so cool. 14:02.436 --> 14:04.355 So growing up, going back to your dad, 14:04.356 --> 14:05.515 your dad passes away. 14:05.516 --> 14:08.515 My question is, when you, 14:08.516 --> 14:09.355 cause those, your father was so abusive. 14:09.356 --> 14:12.815 Yes. 14:12.816 --> 14:17.075 And you saw those demons and they were scary. 14:17.076 --> 14:19.275 What made you go continue in witchcraft in Santeria, 14:19.276 --> 14:22.595 seeing that as a child? 14:22.596 --> 14:24.855 I made it because it was engrafted in the family. 14:24.856 --> 14:26.755 And when something is engrafted, 14:26.756 --> 14:28.616 the devil makes it cultural. 14:28.617 --> 14:31.276 But your grandmother did it, your mother did it, 14:31.277 --> 14:32.496 your uncle did it, your father did it, now you do it. 14:32.497 --> 14:35.676 So it becomes the norm. 14:35.677 --> 14:38.416 So to us, it was, oh, they're going to protect us, 14:38.417 --> 14:40.836 they're going to provide for us, they're going to bless us. 14:40.837 --> 14:41.676 So we follow the trend, the spiritual trend 14:41.677 --> 14:42.516 in the family bloodline. 14:42.517 --> 14:44.336 So you thought it was going to be different for you. 14:44.337 --> 14:47.956 Yes, so I went in it. 14:47.957 --> 14:49.172 And then the crazy thing, I went in it for 25 years. 14:49.173 --> 14:50.552 25 years? 14:50.553 --> 14:51.392 25 years of witchcraft, yeah. 14:51.393 --> 14:53.292 25 years. 14:53.293 --> 14:55.352 I did all the ceremonies in the demonic world, 14:55.353 --> 14:56.492 Santeria, Paloma, Yumba, spiritualism. 14:56.493 --> 14:59.932 I got married on Halloween. 14:59.933 --> 15:02.252 And the very person I hated the most, 15:02.253 --> 15:04.706 I became just like my dad. 15:04.707 --> 15:05.686 an absentee with my daughter, 15:05.687 --> 15:07.386 I would tell my daughter, 15:07.387 --> 15:08.807 I got divorced. 15:10.507 --> 15:12.326 Witchcraft brought divorce to my family. 15:12.327 --> 15:13.526 So my daughter would be by the window 15:13.527 --> 15:14.606 at two years old waiting for me, 15:14.607 --> 15:15.566 for me to pick her up 15:15.567 --> 15:16.466 and take her for ice cream 15:16.467 --> 15:18.686 and I'd never show up. 15:18.687 --> 15:20.126 So I was the same dad 15:20.127 --> 15:21.486 that never gave me, my brothers, 15:21.487 --> 15:23.066 that opportunity, that love, 15:23.067 --> 15:25.506 schoolyard, baseball glove, 15:25.507 --> 15:27.046 tickets to the Yankee game or whatever. 15:27.047 --> 15:28.366 Never had, did the same thing. 15:28.367 --> 15:30.126 But later on, 15:30.127 --> 15:30.666 God redeemed my time with my daughter. 15:30.667 --> 15:32.086 Me and my daughter, 15:32.087 --> 15:32.927 I painted about Angelic today. 15:32.928 --> 15:33.527 That's so good. 15:33.528 --> 15:34.147 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 15:34.148 --> 15:37.367 It's good. 15:37.368 --> 15:38.827 And did that relationship change when you got saved? 15:38.828 --> 15:40.047 In the beginning? 15:40.048 --> 15:43.007 In the beginning, no. 15:43.008 --> 15:44.227 In the beginning, because my daughter, I grafted my daughter into the witchcraft world. 15:44.228 --> 15:45.727 Did you really? 15:45.728 --> 15:46.067 Yeah, my daughter was into heavy. 15:46.068 --> 15:47.067 And her mother was into witchcraft? 15:47.068 --> 15:47.287 Her mother was into witchcraft. 15:47.288 --> 15:50.307 Okay. 15:50.308 --> 15:52.747 So when I got saved, I was the enemy. 15:52.748 --> 15:54.487 Because my daughter was into the witchcraft world. 15:54.488 --> 15:55.407 Her mother was into the witchcraft world. 15:55.408 --> 15:55.747 How old was she when you got saved? 15:55.748 --> 15:56.387 11. 15:56.388 --> 15:57.607 Okay. 15:57.608 --> 15:58.087 And that's a hard age. 15:58.088 --> 15:58.707 She's 36 now. 15:58.708 --> 16:03.659 Oh. 16:03.660 --> 16:05.599 I dedicated my daughter to the witch, to the demons and the principalities. 16:05.600 --> 16:08.919 And my ex-wife was in it. 16:08.920 --> 16:12.219 So when I got saved, I was like, I had this burden on myself. 16:12.220 --> 16:16.679 Like, Lord, I brought this woman to the witchcraft world. 16:16.680 --> 16:18.419 If she doesn't get saved, send somebody to get her saved because I'm going to feel guilty. 16:18.420 --> 16:23.219 I'm going to feel like I introduced her. 16:23.220 --> 16:25.018 And one day she calls me up and she says, hey, I bought a house and... 16:25.019 --> 16:25.598 You want to come see where your daughter's going to live? 16:25.599 --> 16:26.478 I said, okay. 16:26.479 --> 16:27.838 I drive up there. 16:27.839 --> 16:28.238 So it was about an hour and a half drive. 16:28.239 --> 16:30.978 We drive. 16:30.979 --> 16:36.898 I parked in front of the new house to see where my daughter's going to live. 16:36.899 --> 16:37.878 Man, the Holy Spirit came into the car and I said, hey, you've been practicing witchcraft for how many years now? 16:37.879 --> 16:38.558 Where did it get you? 16:38.559 --> 16:40.477 I said, I don't know. 16:40.478 --> 16:41.897 I said, why don't you just give Jesus a chance, 16:41.898 --> 16:43.177 come into your heart. 16:43.178 --> 16:44.597 And Holy Spirit came into the car. 16:44.598 --> 16:45.937 She said, yes, give me Jesus. 16:45.938 --> 16:47.897 I accept Jesus. 16:47.898 --> 16:49.437 And I bought her to the witchcraft front 16:49.438 --> 16:50.737 and I bought her to the cross. 16:50.738 --> 16:52.317 And then she accepted Jesus 16:52.318 --> 16:53.777 and she took all her witchcraft stuff, 16:53.778 --> 16:57.077 she threw it away in the trash. 16:57.078 --> 16:58.237 And she moved into her new house with the Holy Spirit. 16:58.238 --> 17:00.917 Oh, that's so good. 17:00.918 --> 17:03.297 So she got saved and my daughter got saved later. 17:03.298 --> 17:04.497 So it was a win-win situation. 17:04.498 --> 17:05.337 That's so good. 17:05.338 --> 17:07.697 Yup, yup, yup. 17:07.698 --> 17:10.865 So I was like, 17:10.866 --> 17:13.705 How old was your daughter when that happened? 17:13.706 --> 17:16.445 No, when she was engrafted to the witchcraft world? 17:16.446 --> 17:17.825 No, how old was she when your... 17:17.826 --> 17:19.181 Because that was your... 17:19.182 --> 17:19.861 My first wife. 17:19.862 --> 17:20.281 Your first wife. 17:20.282 --> 17:22.441 My ex-wife. 17:22.442 --> 17:22.861 My daughter Amanda's mother. 17:22.862 --> 17:23.921 Y'all were divorced at that point, though. 17:23.922 --> 17:24.761 We were divorced. 17:24.762 --> 17:25.641 Yeah, because you— 17:25.642 --> 17:27.641 She was someone else. 17:27.642 --> 17:28.581 Yeah, she was a witch, and you were still saved. 17:28.582 --> 17:31.881 I was saved, yeah. 17:31.882 --> 17:35.341 But the mom got saved, and then the daughter— 17:35.342 --> 17:37.781 Then my daughter Amanda, she got saved a little later with me, 17:37.782 --> 17:40.181 because I kept talking to her, and she said, 17:40.182 --> 17:41.801 Dad, that's—because my daughter went to college. 17:41.802 --> 17:42.421 She became a psychology major. 17:42.422 --> 17:43.721 Oh, wow. 17:43.722 --> 17:47.021 And they brainwashed her in college. 17:47.022 --> 17:49.279 I mean, we're talking about—my daughter was atheist. 17:49.280 --> 17:50.519 at the time she went to college in finish. 17:50.520 --> 17:52.399 And she was an atheist. 17:52.400 --> 17:54.279 She said, my words, black and white. 17:54.280 --> 17:55.079 I don't, you believe in your religion. 17:55.080 --> 17:56.779 That's fine. 17:56.780 --> 17:58.439 I'm a black and white person. 17:58.440 --> 18:00.659 I believe things black and white. 18:00.660 --> 18:02.359 You know, she was, they brainwashed her. 18:02.360 --> 18:03.619 So I kept praying for my daughter, praying 18:03.620 --> 18:06.199 and quoting scripture. 18:06.200 --> 18:08.389 Lord, you said for me, my house was served Jesus Christ. 18:08.390 --> 18:09.849 You know, Abraham was generational. 18:09.850 --> 18:10.789 He thought about, he wanted an Isaac. 18:10.790 --> 18:12.329 You gave him an Isaac. 18:12.330 --> 18:16.269 And I kept talking to God. 18:16.270 --> 18:17.909 And one day, my daughter, you know, the Lord shift everything around. 18:17.910 --> 18:21.149 Man, my daughter accepted Jesus. 18:21.150 --> 18:22.209 And now today, my daughter's like, Dad, I think I got a calling. 18:22.210 --> 18:25.649 I want to go watch you preach. 18:25.650 --> 18:27.669 So in Brooklyn, I'm preaching in Brooklyn, October 31st. 18:27.670 --> 18:27.989 My daughter's coming for the first time to hear Dad preach. 18:27.990 --> 18:28.229 Really? 18:28.230 --> 18:28.588 Really? 18:28.589 --> 18:29.808 Yeah. 18:29.809 --> 18:30.768 Oh, that's so cool. 18:30.769 --> 18:32.508 I love redemption. 18:32.509 --> 18:35.168 Yeah, it's a redemption story 18:35.169 --> 18:36.388 because we started engrafted in witchcraft. 18:36.389 --> 18:37.968 I always tell people, 18:37.969 --> 18:38.828 it's not what you start, it's what you finish. 18:38.829 --> 18:40.408 That's a good word. 18:40.409 --> 18:41.868 And if God holds the pen of your story, 18:41.869 --> 18:44.756 he's going to write a masterpiece. 18:44.757 --> 18:48.876 He is. And He can redeem anyone. 18:48.877 --> 18:52.556 But what I love about your story too is that you had these moments of opportunity 18:52.557 --> 18:54.916 and you would minister in obedience and the Holy Spirit would show up 18:54.917 --> 18:57.036 and so different people would get saved. 18:57.037 --> 18:59.256 Salvation, healing, deliverance. 18:59.257 --> 19:01.796 You know what was amazing, Rebecca? 19:01.797 --> 19:04.227 That I would do altar calls for little people. 19:04.228 --> 19:05.467 I bring them up to altar call, dedicate. 19:05.468 --> 19:07.647 If you're too smart, dedicate. 19:07.648 --> 19:10.267 If you're a teenager, I introduce you to Christ. 19:10.268 --> 19:12.187 And my daughter will call me up during the time, 19:12.188 --> 19:13.987 about two or three years ago, she will call me and say, 19:13.988 --> 19:15.187 dad, I'm gonna commit suicide. 19:15.188 --> 19:16.607 I'm oppressed, depressed. 19:16.608 --> 19:18.187 Nothing is happening. 19:18.188 --> 19:21.147 My life, I'm not married. 19:21.148 --> 19:22.987 I don't have, I don't have my friends at college disappear. 19:22.988 --> 19:24.367 Today's my last week. 19:24.368 --> 19:26.667 I think I take my life. 19:26.668 --> 19:28.567 And I will hang up my daughter and pray and cry. 19:28.568 --> 19:31.004 And I said, Lord, Jesus, 19:33.804 --> 19:35.183 Don't let my daughter die. 19:35.184 --> 19:39.003 That's my only child. 19:39.004 --> 19:41.123 And God said to me, if you take care of my house, 19:41.124 --> 19:45.243 I'll take care of your house. 19:45.244 --> 19:47.943 And man, I had the altar calls everywhere I went. 19:47.944 --> 19:49.603 I said, kids would sit down and say, don't let me chase you. 19:49.604 --> 19:51.903 You better come up to the altar. 19:51.904 --> 19:54.503 I had the altar calls like crazy. 19:54.504 --> 19:55.303 And today my daughter's in love with Jesus. 19:55.304 --> 19:56.643 Amen? 19:56.644 --> 19:57.520 So God is good. 19:57.521 --> 20:00.440 He is good. 20:00.441 --> 20:02.800 Because, you know, I always say, it's not what you see. 20:02.801 --> 20:03.680 It's what you believe, which is faith. 20:03.681 --> 20:04.260 Yeah. 20:04.261 --> 20:05.480 Right? 20:05.481 --> 20:06.500 And God does the rest. 20:06.501 --> 20:07.501 God is faithful. 20:08.401 --> 20:09.700 God is a good dad. 20:09.701 --> 20:15.040 He's a good father. 20:15.041 --> 20:15.860 And even when my mom went home this January with the Lord, I lay hands on my mom. 20:15.861 --> 20:16.920 I prayed for her. 20:16.921 --> 20:21.000 I anointed her. 20:21.001 --> 20:22.401 I said, Lord, take 10 years of my life. 20:23.201 --> 20:25.380 Give it to her. 20:25.381 --> 20:26.180 I said, give her 10 years of my life. 20:26.181 --> 20:31.568 I go home early. 20:35.988 --> 20:37.267 Don't let my mom, don't let my moms go to heaven yet. 20:37.268 --> 20:39.367 And God did it his way. 20:39.368 --> 20:41.387 My mom died from stomach cancer. 20:41.388 --> 20:43.735 And we did the funeral. 20:47.975 --> 20:48.474 And even though my mom's got healed anyway, because there's no sick people in heaven. 20:48.475 --> 20:49.134 Yeah. 20:49.135 --> 20:53.494 Right? 20:53.495 --> 20:54.634 And even in the funeral, I told the Hirsch guy, I'm going with you. 20:54.635 --> 20:55.634 He said, no, you're not. 20:55.635 --> 20:56.934 You're going to give me fire. 20:56.935 --> 20:58.154 I said, I'm going with you. 20:58.155 --> 20:59.074 He said, no, you're not. 20:59.075 --> 21:00.354 I said, yes, I am. 21:00.355 --> 21:01.154 He said, no, you're not. 21:01.155 --> 21:02.214 I said, yes, I am. 21:02.215 --> 21:03.214 He said, okay, come with me. 21:03.215 --> 21:06.914 Sneak in the car. 21:06.915 --> 21:08.739 I said, but if you lose your job, I'll get you a job. 21:08.740 --> 21:11.559 I told him, we got in the car. 21:11.560 --> 21:13.499 I was speaking in tongues all the way to the funeral. 21:13.500 --> 21:14.399 This guy was an unbeliever, right? 21:14.400 --> 21:17.479 I'm speaking in tongues. 21:17.480 --> 21:19.359 I said, Lord, if you can rise Lazarus from the dead, you can rise my mom. 21:19.360 --> 21:20.339 He might get into a car accident. 21:20.340 --> 21:23.699 He's going to freak out. 21:23.700 --> 21:24.919 He's going to crash the car if my mom wakes up from back here. 21:24.920 --> 21:26.479 But you know what? 21:26.480 --> 21:29.179 We went to the funeral. 21:29.180 --> 21:30.310 We went to the cemetery. 21:35.310 --> 21:37.909 And my mom was a champion because my mom was my mom and dad, 21:37.910 --> 21:42.909 and she knew Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior. 21:42.910 --> 21:43.489 At 78, my mom went to heaven, and I know that she's having a good time in heaven. 21:43.490 --> 21:45.149 Yeah. 21:45.150 --> 21:48.289 Amen. So she got healed anyway. 21:48.290 --> 21:49.789 So it is, again, a redemption story. 21:49.790 --> 21:54.329 It's part of the book, you know. 21:54.330 --> 21:55.282 It's a redemption story that if you give God the pen of your story, 21:55.283 --> 21:56.402 You don't need white out. 21:56.403 --> 21:57.102 He'll write a masterpiece. 21:57.103 --> 22:00.762 Yeah. 22:00.763 --> 22:07.182 And he'll use all the parts, good and bad, to create that masterpiece. 22:07.183 --> 22:07.902 And I love that you said you prayed and you interceded for your mom, but you ultimately trusted God. 22:07.903 --> 22:11.222 Trusted God. 22:11.223 --> 22:11.842 And you didn't allow yourself to get hardened. 22:11.843 --> 22:12.942 No. 22:12.943 --> 22:15.502 And disappointment. 22:15.503 --> 22:17.762 Disappointment or discourage or quit the ministry. 22:17.763 --> 22:18.927 How do you not let that happen? 22:24.587 --> 22:25.346 I believe, you know, I pray for people that had cancer that got healed. 22:25.347 --> 22:30.886 Yeah. 22:30.887 --> 22:36.206 I pray for people that they couldn't have babies and got their miracles. 22:36.207 --> 22:37.523 So there's millions of miracles in heaven that God has, and I didn't get one. 22:39.723 --> 22:41.902 but I knew that God did it his way. 22:41.903 --> 22:44.962 And the Bible said his way is a higher. 22:44.963 --> 22:47.362 And today my brother and I, we talk, right? 22:47.363 --> 22:48.962 And we said, in a way we rejoiced 22:48.963 --> 22:50.882 my mom went home with the Lord 22:50.883 --> 22:54.522 because my mom lived in the Bronx 22:54.523 --> 22:56.042 and the area she lived in was a beautiful area. 22:56.043 --> 23:00.382 Now it deteriorated. 23:00.383 --> 23:03.088 There's a lot of muggings, a lot of hurting, 23:03.089 --> 23:03.928 And we would have been worried because my mom walked everywhere. 23:03.929 --> 23:08.388 Oh, wow. 23:08.389 --> 23:11.588 And my mom would take the bus everywhere because New York City transportation is easy to get around. 23:11.589 --> 23:15.008 So my mom at 78, she'd be walking around doing her thing. 23:15.009 --> 23:21.468 And I'm like, what about someone that came and tried to hurt her, take her money, whatever. 23:21.469 --> 23:23.048 So you see, so even though January was a tough time and still it's a tough time today, 23:23.049 --> 23:23.948 it's a surreal moment. 23:23.949 --> 23:27.128 Our mom is not here. 23:27.129 --> 23:34.113 But we rejoice because we say we don't have to worry that. 23:34.114 --> 23:36.133 You know, someone is going to show up and a bad guy is going to show up and hurt my mom because, you know, a lack of, they want to get some money off her or whatever. 23:36.134 --> 23:37.193 So God did it his way. 23:37.194 --> 23:38.093 And I rejoice today. 23:38.094 --> 23:40.513 I'm not mad. 23:40.514 --> 23:41.193 You know, I think too much in Jesus Christ to doubt. 23:41.194 --> 23:45.153 Yeah. 23:45.154 --> 23:46.553 my salvation, my redemption, my daughter, my eyesight. 23:46.554 --> 23:47.853 I'm still healing from it. 23:47.854 --> 23:49.234 Two surgeries. 23:52.574 --> 23:58.353 I was registered with the Commission of the Blind in New York State. 23:58.354 --> 24:00.233 And God still shows up and still shows up 1159, 1159, 1159. 24:00.234 --> 24:02.853 And it's a glorious moment. 24:02.854 --> 24:03.813 And we don't say goodbye when our parents go home, right? 24:03.814 --> 24:04.333 We say, we see you later. 24:04.334 --> 24:05.854 Anyway. 24:05.855 --> 24:06.574 Oh, wow. 24:06.575 --> 24:08.214 Right? 24:08.215 --> 24:09.374 So it's not a final goodbye. 24:09.375 --> 24:10.014 No, it's not. 24:10.015 --> 24:10.514 Thank God. 24:10.515 --> 24:11.034 Thank God. 24:11.035 --> 24:12.834 It's a temporary. 24:12.835 --> 24:13.114 It's hard enough just to temporary goodbye. 24:13.115 --> 24:14.514 Exactly. 24:14.515 --> 24:17.654 We don't say goodbye. 24:17.655 --> 24:18.594 The world says goodbye to their parents and their loved ones. 24:18.595 --> 24:19.754 We don't say goodbye. 24:19.755 --> 24:20.354 We say, we see you later. 24:20.355 --> 24:21.454 Exactly. 24:21.455 --> 24:22.705 Because heaven is our home. 24:25.085 --> 24:26.204 So you have another brother? 24:26.205 --> 24:27.044 You have two brothers? 24:27.045 --> 24:28.504 Yes. 24:28.505 --> 24:29.364 So the other one got saved too? 24:29.365 --> 24:31.624 All my brothers saved. 24:31.625 --> 24:32.744 My last brother's right here, George. 24:32.745 --> 24:35.584 And George is here. 24:35.585 --> 24:39.184 George did almost 10 years in jail. 24:39.185 --> 24:44.064 And he sold drugs like he was selling candy. 24:44.065 --> 24:47.384 And he was, I thought every time I used to call him 24:47.385 --> 24:53.932 and say, Jesus love you, he would change his cell number. 24:53.933 --> 24:56.472 And then God spoke to him and God said, spend time with your mother. 24:56.473 --> 24:59.541 He heard the voice of God, so he even... 24:59.542 --> 25:03.641 And he took care of my mom for 23 months. 25:03.642 --> 25:07.081 My mom, he moved in and babysit my mom, took care of her and did everything with my mom. 25:07.082 --> 25:09.561 And then he came to one of my meetings and gave his life to the Lord. 25:09.562 --> 25:11.581 And now he follows me around. 25:11.582 --> 25:12.101 When I go preach, it comes with me. 25:12.102 --> 25:14.441 What? 25:14.442 --> 25:14.941 So we have another redemption story in the studio. 25:14.942 --> 25:16.081 That's a redemption story. 25:16.082 --> 25:17.161 That's powerful. 25:17.162 --> 25:21.361 God is not done. 25:21.362 --> 25:22.861 And I have a brother in Florida, you know, that we fight a lot. 25:22.862 --> 25:25.058 He loved the cowboys. 25:26.558 --> 25:28.177 He's a big cowboy friend. 25:28.178 --> 25:28.877 I'm like, you need salvation. 25:28.878 --> 25:33.997 No, I'm only kidding. 25:33.998 --> 25:36.157 And God just took the broken pieces from the ashes, 25:36.158 --> 25:38.457 and he just put them together. 25:38.458 --> 25:41.857 My family just coming to Christ. 25:41.858 --> 25:44.057 And I never, ever thought he would come to Christ. 25:44.058 --> 25:45.058 Because, I mean, he was crazy as a fruitcake. 25:47.398 --> 25:49.417 And God got a hold of him, and now we travel. 25:49.418 --> 25:51.757 And then when we used to get on the plane for the first time, 25:51.758 --> 25:55.036 he'd pop a sleeping pill and fall out. 25:55.037 --> 25:56.037 And it's all because my eyesight. 25:59.597 --> 26:01.796 I couldn't go, I had no one to go with me to my appointments. 26:01.797 --> 26:05.316 And he said, I volunteered and I come with you. 26:05.317 --> 26:06.156 And God used that to bring him to the cross. 26:06.157 --> 26:07.776 Wow. 26:07.777 --> 26:09.376 Yup, yup. 26:09.377 --> 26:12.816 So him helping you out. 26:12.817 --> 26:15.136 Helping me out to go to my doctor's appointment in Indiana. 26:15.137 --> 26:17.256 He will come with me and go to my appointment in Indiana. 26:17.257 --> 26:19.036 And then when the plane hit turbulence, 26:19.037 --> 26:21.496 he said, what's that? What's that? 26:21.497 --> 26:29.130 I said, it's a pothole up in the sky. 26:29.131 --> 26:35.790 And he came, and now we just got back from preaching in California, and we came here to see you. 26:35.791 --> 26:43.750 And he loves the Lord, and he's been saved for almost a year now, and that's it. 26:43.751 --> 26:46.010 And it's just him, myself, and my other brother in Florida, because my other family members, they distanced themselves, whatever. 26:46.011 --> 26:49.787 And my mom was the... 26:49.788 --> 26:50.947 the trunk of the tree, but God is good. 26:50.948 --> 26:52.507 God is good. 26:52.508 --> 26:53.607 Redemption is real. 26:53.608 --> 26:56.167 God is real. 26:56.168 --> 26:57.308 And I always tell people, you know, 27:00.648 --> 27:01.954 you will never go wrong if you give God an opportunity to come into your life. 27:01.955 --> 27:06.694 That's so good. 27:06.695 --> 27:07.954 And if you, even though you have struggled with your eyes, it helped lead. 27:07.955 --> 27:08.434 It led him to the cross. 27:08.435 --> 27:13.934 Exactly. 27:13.935 --> 27:14.574 Right. I mean, Paul talks to the Philippian church and said, I think he had a problem. 27:14.575 --> 27:15.734 He had a sickness. 27:15.735 --> 27:17.494 He talked about his eyes. 27:17.495 --> 27:18.994 He said, you're treating me like an angel. 27:18.995 --> 27:23.114 You're treating me like Jesus myself. 27:23.115 --> 27:26.686 And in that redemption story that Paul speaks about in the Philippians. 27:26.687 --> 27:29.286 All these people came and loved them poor, 27:29.287 --> 27:32.686 and they got to know Jesus, and they built a relationship. 27:32.687 --> 27:36.066 They even supported poor ministry, financially. 27:36.067 --> 27:37.486 One thing, what devil meant for evil, 27:37.487 --> 27:38.326 God would turn around for good. 27:38.327 --> 27:40.806 That's so good. 27:40.807 --> 27:42.367 Every given time, every day, all day. 27:44.827 --> 27:48.086 God knows the beginning and the end. 27:48.087 --> 27:50.986 After, since you lost your father at a young age, 27:50.987 --> 27:52.795 and you would get saved later on in life, 27:52.796 --> 27:54.315 Do you feel like God brought you to a point 27:54.316 --> 27:55.835 after getting saved where He said, 27:55.836 --> 28:01.291 you probably need to forgive your dad? 28:01.292 --> 28:06.291 I wrote a letter of forgiveness in my first book, Out of Devil's Cauldron. 28:06.292 --> 28:11.291 I wrote a letter to my dad of forgiveness, a beautiful letter I wrote to my dad. 28:11.292 --> 28:13.291 And I said, dad, if you would have been here, we would have been preaching together, and you would have been proud. 28:13.292 --> 28:18.291 And I'm pretty sure my dad would have been saved. 28:18.292 --> 28:21.291 You know, I always say it wasn't my dad's fault, everything that happened in the house, in the beginning it was. 28:21.292 --> 28:23.323 But God showed me my dad was never loved by his dad. 28:23.324 --> 28:24.563 He was never accepted by his dad. 28:24.564 --> 28:28.003 He never had a family. 28:28.004 --> 28:29.863 So what role model did he have when he was growing up? 28:29.864 --> 28:32.643 Well, I didn't have a role model either, right? 28:32.644 --> 28:35.406 And the only reason today I'm a good dad 28:35.407 --> 28:37.726 And I can provide for my daughter and love my daughter 28:37.727 --> 28:38.566 because Jesus Christ showed me how to be a dad. 28:38.567 --> 28:42.026 Wow. 28:42.027 --> 28:45.206 And he came into my, Jesus poured his love into my heart 28:45.207 --> 28:47.626 and I was able to pour it to my daughters and my family. 28:47.627 --> 28:49.786 And my dad didn't have that. 28:49.787 --> 28:52.086 So, you know, he grew up with a dad 28:52.087 --> 28:54.546 that was a drunk in the streets of Puerto Rico. 28:54.547 --> 28:55.786 Then they came home and then maybe when the dad was home, 28:55.787 --> 28:57.286 he was still absent. 28:57.287 --> 28:58.746 Cause my dad went home, 28:58.747 --> 28:59.986 he still didn't feel like he was there. 28:59.987 --> 29:02.677 He was absent. 29:02.678 --> 29:04.277 Because he didn't have nothing to give because no one gave him anything. 29:04.278 --> 29:06.037 So I love my dad. 29:06.038 --> 29:10.437 And I forgave him. 29:10.438 --> 29:12.497 And forgiveness is also a redemption story when you forgive, right? 29:12.498 --> 29:14.697 Both people benefit. 29:14.698 --> 29:16.337 The only people that get kicked to the curb is the devil. 29:16.338 --> 29:16.737 That's a good word. 29:16.738 --> 29:21.197 Right? 29:21.198 --> 29:22.817 And I love the word where you said that God taught you how to be a father. 29:22.818 --> 29:23.297 How to be a dad to my daughter. 29:23.298 --> 29:26.937 Yeah. 29:26.938 --> 29:27.837 You know, my daughter tells me, you know, I know it's going to be the best years of my life now. 29:27.838 --> 29:28.956 I got my dad back. 29:28.957 --> 29:30.976 Right? 29:30.977 --> 29:32.556 So me and my daughter, we talk every day. 29:32.557 --> 29:33.356 We talk. 29:33.357 --> 29:33.856 She's 36. 29:33.857 --> 29:34.256 We talk. 29:34.257 --> 29:37.196 We pray. 29:37.197 --> 29:38.956 And she taught people, Jesus is my Savior. 29:38.957 --> 29:41.656 You know, before it was college. 29:41.657 --> 29:46.196 Now college is obsolete. 29:46.197 --> 29:47.998 It's good to have an education, but... 29:47.999 --> 29:49.138 Jesus Christ is her everything now. 29:49.139 --> 29:52.958 And her mom's too. 29:52.959 --> 29:55.678 So everything down the line, God is rewriting the story. 29:55.679 --> 29:56.018 It's like the woman that was caught in adultery, right? 29:56.019 --> 29:58.758 Yep. 29:58.759 --> 30:00.099 Jesus went down to the ground and rewrote her story. 30:00.319 --> 30:02.678 Right? 30:02.679 --> 30:04.138 So God knows how to take the broken. 30:04.139 --> 30:06.526 God is better than crazy glue. 30:06.527 --> 30:07.506 Yeah, he restores. 30:07.507 --> 30:08.807 Completely. 30:14.247 --> 30:15.646 So I know that we've kind of done the before and the after the cross, 30:15.647 --> 30:17.626 kind of talking about different redemptions, 30:17.627 --> 30:19.466 but how did you actually get saved? 30:19.467 --> 30:23.186 Because I realized we didn't talk about that in this episode. 30:23.187 --> 30:24.854 Oh, I actually was October, like now. 30:24.855 --> 30:27.034 October, right? 30:27.035 --> 30:27.634 October month is witchcraft month. 30:27.635 --> 30:30.354 Yeah. 30:30.355 --> 30:32.074 For the sickness and the warlocks and the witches, right? 30:32.075 --> 30:33.714 So October, we prepare. 30:33.715 --> 30:37.414 It's called the high season of witchcraft. 30:37.415 --> 30:39.634 We prepare October to do witchcraft on people, curse people. 30:39.635 --> 30:42.804 My job as a warlock. 30:42.805 --> 30:46.604 as a warlock, I had to have a worship in New York City, 30:46.605 --> 30:47.944 from New York City to Cuba, from Miami to Haiti, 30:47.945 --> 30:49.404 and back to New York. 30:49.405 --> 30:51.524 That was my round in the spirit. 30:51.525 --> 30:53.984 So my job was to prepare, 30:53.985 --> 30:56.844 I used to astral project, leave my body, 30:56.845 --> 30:58.884 and curse regions, and curse neighborhoods, 30:58.885 --> 31:00.484 you know, animal blood, drinking my own blood, 31:00.485 --> 31:01.904 cutting my own blood, doing all this stuff, 31:01.905 --> 31:04.864 all these rituals that I would do, 31:04.865 --> 31:08.724 all these witchcraft that had lined up. 31:08.725 --> 31:12.897 In October of 1999, I was sitting in my bed, 31:12.898 --> 31:16.297 And I have gone to church with the backsliding young lady 31:16.298 --> 31:18.257 that I met with a boyfriend and girlfriend. 31:18.258 --> 31:20.597 And she told me, come to church with me. 31:20.598 --> 31:22.957 And I got demon possessed, grabbed the pastor by the throat, 31:22.958 --> 31:25.037 picked him up in the air, turned blue. 31:25.038 --> 31:26.517 And so I went there two weeks in a row 31:26.518 --> 31:29.157 and almost killed the first brother. 31:29.158 --> 31:30.657 And then the second week, I almost killed the second brother. 31:30.658 --> 31:32.237 So I said, I might go on back to church. 31:32.238 --> 31:34.601 I'm embarrassed. 31:34.602 --> 31:37.901 Because you were manifesting in the church? 31:37.902 --> 31:42.421 Manifesting in church, grabbing the pastor by the throat, up in the air. 31:42.422 --> 31:49.641 I mean, the guy weighed like 230 pounds and he was floating in the air, purple. 31:49.642 --> 31:50.872 People run out the seats, grab my hands off the throat of the pastor and do all that, you know, embarrassing moments. 31:53.712 --> 31:55.211 I was home one night, I came from devil worshiping, 31:55.212 --> 31:57.691 recruiting people from clubs, 31:57.692 --> 32:00.471 and I was sitting in my house early in the morning. 32:00.472 --> 32:02.911 After I woke up, I got home by five in the morning. 32:02.912 --> 32:05.531 I got up by eight, I put the TV on, 32:05.532 --> 32:06.871 I was watching Jerry Springer. 32:06.872 --> 32:08.891 And I was watching Jerry Springer. 32:08.892 --> 32:10.353 And this is the incredible moment. 32:10.354 --> 32:12.833 and I'm watching Jerry Springer, 32:12.834 --> 32:15.793 and I heard the voice of God for the first time. 32:15.794 --> 32:18.393 Now, Rebecca, I knew the devil's voice. 32:18.394 --> 32:19.773 I know principality, water spirit, marine spirit, 32:19.774 --> 32:21.873 territory spirit, feminist spirit. 32:21.874 --> 32:23.673 I know all the voice of these demons. 32:23.674 --> 32:26.373 And when the voice of God spoke to me 32:26.374 --> 32:27.956 audibly for the first time, 32:27.957 --> 32:29.056 He said, my son, I'm coming soon. 32:29.057 --> 32:31.216 What are you going to do with yourself? 32:31.217 --> 32:35.636 I knew that was the voice of God. 32:35.637 --> 32:38.476 It was unique, one of a kind, an original voice. 32:38.477 --> 32:42.416 And the voice sounded like a brook, a river. 32:42.417 --> 32:43.690 But inside that brook, a river has an authority that can move the universe. 32:46.970 --> 32:49.329 And I looked around and I saw my sky turn on fire. 32:49.330 --> 32:51.649 And I saw people in my living room running, a vision. 32:51.650 --> 32:54.129 They can running, hiding from the whole, 32:54.130 --> 32:55.449 the whole sky was flamed up on fire. 32:55.450 --> 32:58.709 And I shook it off. 32:58.710 --> 33:01.009 A week later, I'm sitting in my bed. 33:01.010 --> 33:02.449 And I said, I said, Jesus, I don't know what they call you. 33:02.450 --> 33:04.749 I'm not going back to church. 33:04.750 --> 33:06.029 I love being a devil worshiper. 33:06.030 --> 33:08.329 I love the devil. 33:08.330 --> 33:09.829 I don't want to be part of your Christian church. 33:09.830 --> 33:11.969 I don't want to be part of you. 33:11.970 --> 33:12.869 When my father used to beat up my mother, 33:12.870 --> 33:17.426 you never showed up. 33:17.427 --> 33:19.546 When the pastor at eight years old, I went to a schoolyard and he was preaching. 33:19.547 --> 33:20.506 He got off the stage and he prayed for all the people. 33:20.507 --> 33:21.766 He passed me by. 33:21.767 --> 33:23.026 You never loved me. 33:23.027 --> 33:28.066 So why you want me now? 33:28.067 --> 33:30.507 I had this thing with talking this dialogue with Jesus on my bed, October. 33:30.508 --> 33:33.147 I said, I'd rather be a devil worshiper, 33:33.148 --> 33:35.027 die as a devil worshiper, because I love the devil 33:35.028 --> 33:36.987 and I love the power in devil worshiping. 33:36.988 --> 33:39.867 But if you're bigger than my daddy, 33:39.868 --> 33:42.487 the devil, you show me tonight or leave me alone. 33:42.488 --> 33:44.407 So I fell into, I was falling into this anesthesia sleep, 33:44.408 --> 33:46.447 but I was passing away. 33:46.448 --> 33:48.487 I passed away, I died in my apartment. 33:48.488 --> 33:50.627 I ended up in this train going hell bound, 33:50.628 --> 33:52.947 faster than anything in the planet, 33:52.948 --> 33:55.747 faster than the speed of light, it was moving. 33:55.748 --> 33:57.967 In the train you had people, you couldn't see their faces, 33:57.968 --> 34:01.373 but the terror in the train, 34:01.374 --> 34:03.053 knew we were going somewhere that we weren't coming back. 34:03.054 --> 34:04.673 And Jezebel was on the train 34:04.674 --> 34:05.853 because I had a contract with Jezebel 34:05.854 --> 34:08.493 in the witchcraft world. 34:08.494 --> 34:11.353 And Jezebel was telling me in demonic tongues, 34:11.354 --> 34:13.593 you're a traitor, you're a traitor, you're a traitor. 34:13.594 --> 34:15.393 And I'm like, why would she call me a traitor? 34:15.394 --> 34:16.893 We supposed to be friends. 34:16.894 --> 34:19.793 So the train hit hell. 34:19.794 --> 34:21.252 When the train hit hell, I got off the train 34:21.253 --> 34:23.512 and I stepped on the ground in hell. 34:23.513 --> 34:25.172 And the ground in hell is nothing like the earth. 34:25.173 --> 34:26.512 It breathes like a person. 34:26.513 --> 34:28.632 It breathes. 34:28.633 --> 34:31.672 It breathes like if you step in someone's belly 34:31.673 --> 34:33.932 and it breathes, that's what the ground in hell feels like. 34:33.933 --> 34:36.312 And it feels like marshmallow if you step on it 34:36.313 --> 34:39.392 and it breathes, but it's alive. 34:39.393 --> 34:41.772 And hell means the absence of God. 34:41.773 --> 34:43.432 So I'm stepping in hell, I'm walking to hell 34:43.433 --> 34:45.032 and I see my cousin there. 34:45.033 --> 34:47.812 And my cousin's alive on the earth. 34:47.813 --> 34:49.482 And later God told me, here never make heaven. 34:49.483 --> 34:53.282 So I'm walking to the portals, 34:53.283 --> 34:54.782 and then the fear in hell wraps around you like a python. 34:54.783 --> 34:56.162 Squeezes you. 34:56.163 --> 34:57.322 When it squeezes you, it torments you. 34:57.323 --> 34:59.502 So I'm going to hell. 34:59.503 --> 35:00.622 The devil comes out in hell. 35:00.623 --> 35:01.962 I loved you. 35:01.963 --> 35:03.962 You were my son. 35:03.963 --> 35:05.202 I gave you all my secrets from my kingdom 35:05.203 --> 35:08.503 from the age of eight. 35:08.504 --> 35:10.883 to the age of 35, I can't let you live. 35:10.884 --> 35:13.123 You're going to tell everybody how I entrapped people, 35:13.124 --> 35:16.963 the 21 rules of the dark side, 35:16.964 --> 35:19.703 how I trapped people to fashion and religion, 35:19.704 --> 35:21.463 how I trapped people to humanity and culture. 35:21.464 --> 35:22.563 You're going to tell people all the secrets. 35:22.564 --> 35:23.803 You need to die. 35:23.804 --> 35:26.243 You break my heart. 35:26.244 --> 35:27.817 When he went to Grammy, the cross of Calgary showed up. 35:29.917 --> 35:31.716 I mean, this big wooden cross showed up, 35:31.717 --> 35:33.436 and it was between me and the devil. 35:33.437 --> 35:35.876 So it was between me and the devil. 35:35.877 --> 35:37.296 So that means that the devil is over here, the cross here. 35:37.297 --> 35:40.096 I'm on this other side of the cross. 35:40.097 --> 35:41.876 So when he went to grab me, the cross showed up, the wooden cross, 35:41.877 --> 35:43.256 this big ancient wooden cross showed up. 35:43.257 --> 35:44.616 And the devil made contact. 35:44.617 --> 35:46.776 He felt like a piece of paper. 35:46.777 --> 35:49.243 And so that means... 35:49.244 --> 35:52.463 The cross in the middle means intercession. 35:52.464 --> 35:56.163 The cross was interceding for my salvation. 35:56.164 --> 35:58.323 So I ran into hell and then the devil showed up again. 35:58.324 --> 35:59.523 But this time he showed up with the horns and the wings. 35:59.524 --> 36:01.643 He said, I have to kill you. 36:01.644 --> 36:02.714 He had stain in his body because he fell from grace. 36:03.954 --> 36:04.673 So you saw him differently the second time? 36:04.674 --> 36:06.273 Yeah, differently this time. 36:06.274 --> 36:07.493 What did he look like the first time? 36:07.494 --> 36:15.753 Oh, the first time he was elegant. 36:15.754 --> 36:16.913 You know, like I was some elegant, sophisticated, very antique, very charming, very finesse, good talker. 36:16.914 --> 36:19.513 Saw him that way. 36:19.514 --> 36:19.773 But this time around, his true identity showed up. 36:19.774 --> 36:20.473 Wow. 36:20.474 --> 36:22.253 He still have to kill you. 36:22.254 --> 36:25.273 When he went to grab me again, the cross showed up. 36:25.274 --> 36:27.933 and hit him, I mean, the cross had dropped him 36:27.934 --> 36:31.433 like a piece of paper. 36:31.434 --> 36:32.933 And then once that happened, I went back into my body 36:32.934 --> 36:35.133 like a lightning bolt. 36:35.134 --> 36:36.873 It felt like they were doing paddles on my chest, 36:36.874 --> 36:38.833 like from ICU. 36:38.834 --> 36:40.833 And I came back to life in my bed 36:40.834 --> 36:43.253 and everything started to run again. 36:43.254 --> 36:45.033 I bent my knee, I said, Lord, I follow you. 36:45.034 --> 36:46.513 Wow. 36:46.514 --> 36:49.433 And I went to follow Jesus. 36:49.434 --> 36:50.960 And I had $100,000 worth of witchcraft in my house. 36:50.961 --> 36:54.080 Human bones. 36:54.081 --> 36:55.680 I mean, dirt from different cemeteries. 36:55.681 --> 36:57.018 I threw everything away. 36:59.878 --> 37:00.717 And I followed Jesus for 25 years, never looked back. 37:00.718 --> 37:01.717 And then you spent- 37:01.718 --> 37:02.757 That's my salvation. 37:02.758 --> 37:05.517 That's powerful. 37:05.518 --> 37:06.777 And then you spent some time with David Wilkerson, 37:06.778 --> 37:08.177 one of my favorite preachers. 37:08.178 --> 37:09.677 You know what my deliverance was? 37:09.678 --> 37:12.257 Yeah, no, tell me. 37:12.258 --> 37:13.557 So I had all this witchcraft done in my body, right? 37:13.558 --> 37:15.777 Yeah. All these ceremonies. 37:15.778 --> 37:17.497 So they put me in a baptism pool, right? 37:17.498 --> 37:18.777 I was like the 75 person, 37:18.778 --> 37:19.857 I was the last person that got baptized. 37:19.858 --> 37:21.317 Was this at Times Square? 37:21.318 --> 37:22.157 And there was this church called 37:22.158 --> 37:23.797 Wonder Hill in the Bronx. 37:23.798 --> 37:25.837 So they put me in the baptism pool, 37:25.838 --> 37:31.411 so I had Jesus going to the pool. 37:31.412 --> 37:31.891 And the real hands of Jesus Christ went to the pool and pulled out all my ceremonies out of my body. 37:31.892 --> 37:33.251 Really? 37:33.252 --> 37:34.431 Yeah, they all came out. 37:34.432 --> 37:36.351 I mean, squeaky. 37:36.352 --> 37:37.131 We're talking about like, this is better than Mr. Clean. 37:37.132 --> 37:38.471 Squeaky. 37:38.472 --> 37:39.271 I mean, everything came out. 37:39.272 --> 37:41.851 And I got out. 37:41.852 --> 37:44.211 When I came out of the water, I said, did you see those big hands? 37:44.212 --> 37:46.391 They're like the size of the hands like the Mickey Mouse. 37:46.392 --> 37:51.171 They went to the pool and took everything out. 37:51.172 --> 37:53.851 And then a couple of weeks later, I'm sitting in discipleship class and they asked me, 37:53.852 --> 37:56.432 you want to read Isaiah 53, John? 37:56.433 --> 37:58.392 And I was shy. I was in the back. I had tabs in my Bible. 37:58.393 --> 37:59.692 If you told me to go to Revelation, I'd be in Genesis. 37:59.693 --> 38:02.192 I didn't know the Bible at all. 38:02.193 --> 38:05.492 So I'm sitting there. I said, okay, I'll read it. 38:05.493 --> 38:08.832 So I turned to page 53 and I started to read Isaiah 53. 38:08.833 --> 38:10.492 When I got halfway through it, I wept a supernatural weeping. 38:10.493 --> 38:12.912 I couldn't read it anymore. 38:12.913 --> 38:15.672 And that was my inner healing that I needed from my father, 38:15.673 --> 38:17.212 my mom, my brokenness, my childhood. 38:17.213 --> 38:18.052 God hit me from the inside out. 38:18.053 --> 38:20.252 Wow. 38:20.253 --> 38:22.512 He took all the ceremonies at the baptism pool, 38:22.513 --> 38:23.570 ripped them all. That's why baptism is so important. 38:29.510 --> 38:30.589 And then when I read Isaiah 53, halfway through it, I was just weeping, but it was a supernatural cry. 38:30.590 --> 38:37.369 It wasn't a normal cry. 38:37.370 --> 38:38.949 And God healed my broken pieces inside my heart from all the child abuse and everything that I went through in that childhood. 38:38.950 --> 38:41.249 God took care of everything. 38:41.250 --> 38:42.986 And I'm complete and I hold on Jesus. 38:42.987 --> 38:43.506 That's so powerful. 38:43.507 --> 38:44.946 Yeah. 38:44.947 --> 38:46.446 Well, I want to keep talking. 38:46.447 --> 38:48.406 So you're going to have to come back another time. 38:48.407 --> 38:50.766 I have more questions about more stories, 38:50.767 --> 38:53.546 but I love ending on that note. 38:53.547 --> 38:55.146 And can you just say a prayer for the people 38:55.147 --> 38:55.586 that are watching right now? 38:55.587 --> 38:58.026 Amen. 38:58.027 --> 38:59.006 I want to tell people. 38:59.007 --> 39:01.926 Yeah, go for it. 39:01.927 --> 39:03.986 You've been to so many things in life. 39:03.987 --> 39:06.486 up and down, rollercoaster rides, 39:06.487 --> 39:10.406 emptiness, hollow, oppression, depression. 39:10.407 --> 39:12.046 And even medication is not going to do anything for you 39:12.047 --> 39:13.406 what Jesus can do for you. 39:13.407 --> 39:14.626 You can try everything. 39:14.627 --> 39:16.846 You might try the occult. 39:16.847 --> 39:18.286 You might try tarot card readings to tell your future. 39:18.287 --> 39:19.246 The devil don't know the future. 39:19.247 --> 39:22.669 He don't even know his. 39:22.670 --> 39:26.089 You try all kinds of things to make your life better, 39:26.090 --> 39:27.549 maybe to improve your life, to feel peace, to feel joy, 39:27.550 --> 39:29.609 to feel complete. 39:29.610 --> 39:32.029 You might have your up and down, losing your job, 39:32.030 --> 39:33.929 losing a loved one, like I lost my mama. 39:33.930 --> 39:35.349 You might lose a marriage, you might lose this, 39:35.350 --> 39:37.149 and you have nowhere to go. 39:37.150 --> 39:40.069 There's only one place that can redeem 39:40.070 --> 39:42.569 your whole entire life, the cross of Jesus Christ, 39:42.570 --> 39:44.069 who loves you, who made you. 39:44.070 --> 39:45.329 Matter of fact, He gave you a birthday 39:45.330 --> 39:46.909 and sent you into time. 39:46.910 --> 39:50.577 That's how much He loves you. 39:50.578 --> 39:52.637 Or you have to say, hey, turn your life to Jesus. 39:52.638 --> 39:53.737 Lord, I'm going to give you a chance. 39:53.738 --> 39:55.377 Come into my heart. 39:55.378 --> 39:56.297 Forgive me for my sins. 39:56.298 --> 39:58.857 Be my Lord and Savior. 39:58.858 --> 40:00.417 And I pray right now, Father, in Jesus' name, 40:00.418 --> 40:01.097 that he would touch you from the top of your head, 40:01.098 --> 40:03.457 your soul, your feet. 40:03.458 --> 40:05.429 He would introduce himself to you. 40:05.430 --> 40:07.049 He will bless you. 40:07.050 --> 40:08.569 He will put His love in your heart, 40:08.570 --> 40:10.829 and He will show you the way 40:10.830 --> 40:13.529 because He is the way, the truth, and the life. 40:13.530 --> 40:15.149 And there's no other person like Jesus Christ 40:15.150 --> 40:17.469 on this universe and this planet 40:17.470 --> 40:19.689 that loves you, that will redeem you. 40:19.690 --> 40:21.549 And listen, one thing about Jesus Christ, 40:21.550 --> 40:24.169 He's no respected person. 40:24.170 --> 40:25.629 He would do what He done for me. 40:25.630 --> 40:27.149 He would do a lot greater for you. 40:27.150 --> 40:28.067 In Jesus' name, amen. 40:28.068 --> 40:29.527 Amen. 40:29.528 --> 40:30.507 Thank you so much, John. 40:30.508 --> 40:31.347 Thank you for having me. 40:31.348 --> 40:35.527 I feel so good now. 40:35.528 --> 40:37.187 I feel like you had me on Zoom and now you have me here. 40:37.188 --> 40:38.067 I'm like, oh, in October. 40:38.068 --> 40:39.667 So amazing. 40:39.668 --> 40:41.907 How does this keep happening? 40:41.908 --> 40:43.047 You're an amazing person. 40:43.048 --> 40:47.107 You love God. 40:47.108 --> 40:48.627 And I see the, you know, Wilkinson said to me, I see Jesus Christ in you. 40:48.628 --> 40:50.347 Oh, thank you so much. 40:50.348 --> 40:51.007 You're a powerful woman of God. 40:51.008 --> 40:54.847 Thank you. 40:54.848 --> 40:55.967 You walk polite, but you carry a beautiful anointing. 40:55.968 --> 40:56.987 Thank you so much. 40:56.988 --> 40:57.811 So I appreciate you very much. 40:57.812 --> 41:00.051 We appreciate you. 41:00.052 --> 41:01.511 And for your book, where do they get it? 41:01.512 --> 41:04.291 They can go to my website. 41:04.292 --> 41:05.491 My website, I actually got the book, 41:05.492 --> 41:09.171 Out of Devil's Cardinal. 41:09.172 --> 41:11.471 I got the book called The Other Side of the Cross, 41:11.472 --> 41:12.811 which is The Other Side of the Cross, 41:12.812 --> 41:17.298 the second part two. 41:17.299 --> 41:21.498 But I have a documentary and I also gonna have a devotion 41:21.499 --> 41:22.538 with it to help people, the devotional and Q and A 41:22.539 --> 41:23.458 and all that stuff. 41:23.459 --> 41:26.338 That's so cool. 41:26.339 --> 41:27.178 I just wanna be the person that go, go that way. 41:27.179 --> 41:28.058 Yeah. 41:28.059 --> 41:28.878 To Calvary. 41:28.879 --> 41:29.878 Yeah. 41:29.879 --> 41:32.378 And you'll be okay. 41:32.379 --> 41:34.938 Well, I love how God has just redeemed your life 41:34.939 --> 41:37.018 and that He's been using you, working through you 41:37.019 --> 41:38.438 to point people to the cross. 41:38.439 --> 41:39.398 That's just such a powerful story. 41:39.399 --> 41:39.712 I'm a good tool guy. 41:39.713 --> 41:42.272 Yeah. 41:42.273 --> 41:42.872 Well, thank you so much for being here. 41:42.873 --> 41:43.552 Thank you for having me. 41:43.553 --> 41:53.553 It's a pleasure.