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One of my favorite guests, Pastor Vlad is here
talking about your new book, Make the Devil Homeless,
which I have to give a big amen to that title.
Welcome back.
Thank you. Glad to be here.
Thank you, Rebecca.
I always love interviewing you.
I think it's probably because you are a preacher and a pastor.
I always love interviewing teachers because the interviews are so easy.
And it's also like so much like perfect little bite size.
Like, what do you call them?
Instagram reels.
Yeah.
Anyways, if you've never watched an interview with Vlad, they are so great.
There's just so much wisdom.
And I remember the first time I ever interviewed you, I interviewed you for so long
because it was just helping me so much personally.
So I love your ministry.
Thank you.
You're located in?
Washington State.
Yes.
Give us an update on the ministry.
So ministry is doing well.
We are launching our fourth campus in about a few months.
What?
And then this weekend when it's going to be airing,
we're doing our deliverance conference in Tacoma, Washington.
And so I'm not in Tacoma.
I'm about three hours away from Tacoma.
And so we've been almost every year launching a campus.
And then we're also about to move into our new building in three months from now.
I've been seeing the updates.
Really excited for that.
It's going to be such a big relief for...
Our parking lot is a nightmare.
Our services on Sunday morning is just really, really challenging.
And then the youth in our school.
So we're in 20 public schools right now every Tuesday.
Yeah.
So 12 in our city and then eight in the rest of the cities in Washington State.
So every Tuesday...
We reach students on the campus.
One Tuesday we bring pizzas and another Tuesday we bring Bibles.
So it's been a Bible revival in schools now.
People are getting Bibles who are not even Christians and beginning to read the Bibles.
I mean, the young people in middle school and high school are so open.
So just last month, we said 200 kids said yes to Christ in the public school, just in one month.
in 20 clubs.
And so it's been incredible.
So most of our youth ministry is just straight out
of high school and middle school.
I really believe because of the presence
of prayer intercession and our ministry,
like there were two attempted massacres
were supposed to happen in our city.
And the FBI discovered it, one guy, 14 year old,
two 14 year olds.
actually planned out the whole thing
of which windows they're going to shoot.
They had enough ammunition.
It would have been a headline.
Thank God that guy was stupid
and recorded a TikTok video where he guided
his audience with how he's going to shoot up the school
next day.
And somehow it got reported to the authorities.
So he got arrested.
He's going life in prison and his other friends.
So that will got averted.
And then a week and a half ago, another plot.
And it was like literally backyard of our new church.
And we have our biggest club in that school.
So we go there every Tuesday and we use the gym
because the teacher is actually part of our church.
And she opens not a classroom, but a gym.
So we have a lot of students that go to the,
And so I really believe that prayer, fasting
and Christian presence, we're the salt.
We could really, you know,
we're seeing all of these shootouts,
but we're not hearing the stories
of plots of the enemy being captured.
And so, and that's what we're believing for,
that on our watch,
we will be able to see the kingdom of God prevail
and the kingdom of darkness fall flat.
Enemy's weapons will be caught and will be stopped.
That's so amazing.
You know what's so interesting is that I was interviewing—
this is like the third time in the last week where prayer has been coming up into my view screen.
I was interviewing Dr. Morocco, who's over a bunch of different churches,
and he was talking about the importance of prayer.
Mm-hmm.
and how important it is for churches to pray.
And he talked about going to Korea with Dr. Cho
and how, I mean, his church was a praying church.
He talked about they would pray so loud
when they sent a team over there at 4 a.m.
You could hear it in the hotel across the street.
It was loud.
But he said that the way that the prayer works,
he says it provides like a shield.
Yep.
over the area.
And he says, the more he says around the world,
there are areas where it's more demonically oppressed.
It's more thick.
He says, there's other areas it's not as oppressed.
It's more thin, but he said, either way you need to pray.
And the more oppressed it is, the more you need to pray.
And he basically was saying,
and I kind of want to keep making this point on my podcast
is how important it is for individuals to pray
and for the church to pray corporately.
You know what happened with Sodom and Gomorrah?
Why did God send the punishment on the area?
Outcry against the city.
Iniquity is the outcry against the region.
Intercession is a cry for the region.
God will either release angels to punish
or allow the demonic to flourish
because of the outcry against it,
which happens through iniquity.
Or God will release angels to stop and bring salvation
and breakthrough if there is an intercession.
This is why 10 years ago, Rebecca,
our church started to open at five o'clock in the morning,
Monday through Friday, nonstop.
Snow, winter, doesn't matter what holiday,
Monday through Friday,
Doors are open at five o'clock in the morning for prayer.
And I'm really, I'm a huge believer in the fact
that my house will be called the house of prayer.
We can't move things in the spirit realm
unless the scripture or the Bible says
that if my people called by my name
humble themselves and seek my face.
You know, I really believe the way we change the culture
is through revival in the church,
which bleeds into reformation in our schools
and our community.
But the backbone of all of that is prayer and fasting.
That's so true because even when you study the different revivals, like Azusa Street, it started because they were meeting together and praying on Bonnie Bray Street.
But you know what's interesting is I think even myself, I think we've, especially in America, we really have a misperception over how powerful prayer is.
And so we don't realize that it's probably one of our greatest spiritual weapons.
Indeed.
And so we take it for granted and we're not fully living up to the call
and the things that God's calling us to
because we're not tapping into the presence of God and taking that time to pray.
Yeah.
Is that something you've seen?
100%.
You know, it reminds me that Jesus prayed on earth.
Jesus prayed on the cross.
He prayed in the garden.
He prayed in the wilderness.
And what he does in heaven right now is pray.
Oh yeah, he's making intercession.
Always.
Wow.
So prayer is the greatest calling of a Christian.
Okay, well, we're going to get into this book,
but really quick for someone who's like,
I don't even know how to pray.
What would you tell them how to and where to start
if they're just like a newbie to all of this?
Prayer is more about who than how.
That's why the Lord's Prayer starts with our Father.
It doesn't start with techniques, routines, and rhythms.
It starts with the person.
So if the person focuses on who they're talking to
and who is they're talking to is the Father.
The rest of it will take care of itself.
The place that you pray.
How long do you pray?
What things do you pray?
All of these things are secondary.
The foundation of prayer is there is a God
who loves you so much, wants to spend time with you.
He enjoys your presence.
You go into His presence and you talk to Him.
And then you can journal, you can walk and pray, you can kneel and pray, pace and pray, speak in tongues, sing.
You can be in silence, you can run and walk and hike.
Whichever way you connect with Him, I think those things can change throughout your seasons of life.
But the biggest thing that will never change is who is always more important than how.
Because the moment people focus more on how, it becomes a religious thing.
errant. It's not becoming an intimate spiritual encounter.
That's so good. Okay, so Make the Devil Homeless. What inspires
you to write this book?
So I was exposed to the Ministry of Deliverance when I was about
14 years of age. My uncle would take us on these road trips to
Bob Larson seminars. Dr. Bob Larson seminars, he held them in
hotels. And it was scary.
That's what I've heard.
I've never been to a deliverance service.
Yeah, so, and there's the deliverance service
and there's Bob Larson deliverance service.
And those are another level.
And so it was a very small room, about 40, 50 people.
And he would speak in a very calm voice.
There was no like huge excitement.
And then he would walk with the crucifix.
like around, I mean, and I was like holding onto my chair
because like, I'm like, oh, I hope he doesn't like
look at me, cause I'm like, I'll manifest
by just looking at him, like it's scary.
And so thank God, the guy in front of me was manifesting,
started yelling and screaming.
And so I knew it was real because I talked to those people
before the service and after the service, I knew it was real.
I knew it wasn't a made up or it wasn't a show.
I saw people, heard testimonies, where it got real for me.
is around the same time I was exposed to pornography.
Now, I always thought that demons and deliverance belongs to the crazies.
Those people who probably had witchcraft connections, but somebody like me,
who did not have witchcraft or the occult, we didn't celebrate Halloween.
I mean, I didn't even watch television growing up. We were very isolated.
I didn't think that that is something that is my problem.
So first two years or year and a half,
I fought against the pornography stronghold with discipline
because I thought it was just a discipline issue.
So I fasted every Wednesday, every week,
and then I did three days a month,
and I was 14 and a half years of age.
I live very fasted life.
This was Rebecca in the time when there was no cell phones.
I had no cell phone.
I had no computer.
Yet once a month, like a clock, I would fall into pornography.
Pornography would find me.
It would find me in Barnes and Nobles, in a Christian book section.
I would go look for some John Bovier book.
I would take in between the books, some kind of a different book, open it.
And there's images of pornography in the book.
I would drop the book and run.
I was like, something is happening.
I felt like I was hunted.
I felt like I was marked.
Mm-hmm.
No matter how much discipline I applied,
there came that time,
it almost felt like something in me wanted to eat
and it needed to feast on something defiled once a month
and I couldn't control it.
And so of course I confessed it to my pastor.
I had accountability.
but I would confess and do it again,
confess and do it again.
I hated it, didn't want to do anything with it.
And then I picked up a book by Jack Hayford
and he talked about sexual sin
and he started to talk about spiritual warfare
connected with sexual sin.
Like a light went on.
So, because the idea of deliverance and mind-way was always like, it was just crazy out there.
It's for those people.
But things I battled with were like, well, these things are solved by discipline, applying,
crucifying the flesh and everything.
And the light went on that I think I have a spiritual problem.
And then I started to reflect on the fact that when I was exposed to pornography, I did feel...
something enter me.
At first I thought it was just lust.
And so my deliverance first started as a self-deliverance.
I went through a seven day water fast
and then something was broken.
And then not long after that,
I actually went through a deliverance
where unclean spirits of lust, Leviathan, Jezebel,
and death were exposed, spoke through me and came out.
And
Was that on your own or was that with a person?
With a person, yeah, where somebody led me through that.
Were you shocked by what came?
I think I was ready because if that would have happened in the beginning,
somebody would try to force that on me.
But because I reached the end and I started to notice I'm dealing with something,
the more discipline I put up, Rebecca, the more clear I was.
darkness and light became in my life,
the more I started to realize this is not flesh
because flesh is subdued when you're crucified.
When it's not flesh,
the discipline only intensifies the spiritual battle.
So I always tell people who come for deliverance,
I said, well, you first need to apply discipline
because then you'll know if it's actually
a spiritual problem or if it's just the flesh,
because flesh is subdued by discipline,
by crucifying itself.
When it's not flesh,
it usually gets more stirred up and more irritated.
And so,
And it was when it was removed and I felt like something was gone.
The temptation is there, but that venom type of a feeling,
something living inside that wants to live is not there anymore.
Yeah, you know, I interviewed Bev Tucker.
She's a deliverance minister, and she says you can't discipline a demon,
and you can't cast out the flesh, which is a great way.
And so it's really good to get to the root of it,
because like you said, if you're trying to discipline a demon,
you're never going to get there.
Yeah.
Jesus said that if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.
If your hand causes you to sin, to remove it.
So I tell people this.
If you remove the eye and something still sees—
You have company.
If you remove the hand and something still touches,
someone else is touching, someone else is doing that.
That means you got company.
And you know what?
I liked the way that you said, I felt marked,
because that is kind of how it is in the spiritual realm.
You can be marked with something
and then it attracts things your way.
And that's one of the reasons you were like running
into porn when you weren't even trying.
And then nightmares come in,
sexual dreams that repeated consistent,
and then all of these other things that you just, you know, you're walking into a room and you're naturally, gravity, you can't stop.
You're thinking thoughts that you shouldn't be thinking about other people.
And there are, you know, lustful thoughts that we all get tempted, greed, lust and pride.
And you take authority, you bring those thoughts down, bring them subjection to Christ.
When you're dealing with an unclean spirit, they need a different remedy and the remedy is deliverance.
And what's interesting is when you got deliverance,
and I liked what Bev said, she says,
every Christian should go through deliverance at least once.
Yeah.
Because most people have something
because you're dealing with your family line.
Because the way that the devil works is,
it's all about having an open door or a legal right.
And so if you've done something,
so like you say, you watch pornography,
well, you've given a legal right to the devil
to enter through that way.
So what's interesting in my case though,
that's what I thought I was going for deliverance for,
is for lust.
But that wasn't what it was.
That's not what it was.
I'm curious about that.
Lust was only an errant demon
that was fulfilling the wishes of spirit of death,
which was running errands for Leviathan,
which started four or five generations ago
when somebody sacrificed.
something in each generation, someone had to die.
And lust was simply trying to,
because I couldn't be killed in the womb,
which I almost died,
I couldn't be killed out of the womb
because I died one time out of that.
So in my mind, I thought I was dealing with lust.
What I didn't know is,
because I couldn't be killed physically,
now lust wanted to kill me, my ministry,
the future, my marriage.
So it was pretty much fulfilling.
So if I would have only been dealing with lust,
which in my mind, I was like,
I just need to be freed from lust.
What I didn't realize is there was somebody else
calling the shots behind the scenes.
And when the deliverance minister took me through,
it turns out that there was a pact that was made.
It made sense why my grandpa ran over his own kid.
It made sense why in every generation,
bizarre, unexplainable deaths always happen.
I'm talking about weird thing.
My grandpa has 16 kids
and a four-year-old daughter
runs over with his own semi truck.
And these things were happening.
My, his...
My grandpa's siblings all died premature.
He only saw one of them.
And he eventually died a very, very tragic death,
but the rest of them were in psychic wards
and they died right in those.
So I was like, there is kind of a weird thing.
In one sense, I see a family blessing
where from my mother's side, from my grandpa's side,
I see this bizarre thing in every generation.
And it made sense why I was supposed to be dead in the womb.
Then I survived that.
Next two years I spent in a hospital.
I died one time, they resuscitated me.
And now this pretty much this unclean spirit,
because it had that legal right through the family bloodline
was sending now something.
Lust was just simply one of the fruits
of a deeper, vicious plan.
Yeah, it was just signaling that something deeper was there.
And that's why it's good to work with someone
that can understand going back into the bloodline
and seeing where the doors opened.
Because the Bible says in Deuteronomy,
you can go back, I think, three to four generations.
So if anyone in your bloodline did witchcraft three to four,
which is most likely someone did, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
But you have to work with someone.
Were you, what is Leviathan?
I've heard of that spirit before.
Was that the main one?
Yes, it's the made head poncho.
Yeah, that calls the shots and stuff.
So that's one of the reasons why sometimes
when people go through deliverance,
if you read book of Mark chapter one,
where Jesus came into the synagogue
and the demon manifested,
the scripture says that the demon said,
leave us alone.
Demons always work in groups.
There's the one that opens the door
and then they usually invite others in.
So, you know, bitterness opens the door, murder comes in,
and then other ones come in and other ones come in.
And so, and the ones that usually manifest
are not the ones that are calling the shots.
And so the ones that are calling the shots
they usually do not want to manifest.
so that you get rid of the errand
and the boss still stays there.
So that's one of the reasons why during deliverance,
the ones that manifest are usually not the ones
that is really calling all the shots.
And so when you press in harder and you command
all demons that are hiding, that are calling the shots,
those ruling, that strong man to come out,
that's kind of the whole point.
That's why some people can go through many deliverances
because what they did is they got rid of lust,
but the one that was calling the shots is still there.
You know what? I just heard the testimony of a guy who adopted a son from Haiti, and he said that exact same thing.
He says, they said if the demon's really, really loud coming out, it's almost like a small dog.
It's like putting up a big fight. The really big ones, more principalities, those ones are going to be more subdued and more quiet because they don't want to come out.
Which I thought was really, and they're harder to...
Yeah.
Get out.
And the main thing, this is what was really interesting.
The big takeaway from that story was that you as the individual have to want to be delivered.
A hundred percent.
Holy Spirit belongs to the hungry.
Deliverance belongs to the desperate.
That's why you can't force that on somebody to be delivered.
Jesus turned over tables in the temple, not in the marketplace.
You never see Jesus going in the marketplace,
see people selling stuff and just turning tables over.
That's why people who believe this thing
where deliverance should be only practice and unbelievers,
I sometimes wonder, have they ever done it?
That's like you coming to my house
and getting me out of my house.
Now you may succeed if you're strong enough
and you have a gun to my face,
but I get lawyers and tomorrow I'm back in my house.
And so I remember doing a deliverance one time
And the lady doing a service, so we're having a service
and toward the end of the sermon,
we're doing just the prayer and she starts manifesting.
It was the first time in our church,
her name was Willow and like,
so our ushers, you know, we kind of,
our protocol first is we don't take them out of the service,
we take them to the front.
So usually, you know, in most churches,
if that happens, security takes you out.
In Jesus's ministry, he took the demons out,
not took the person out.
And it was at this side point.
So they would bring her to the front
and for next 15 minutes, Rebecca,
I just, demon just wouldn't respond.
It just, I mean, it was vicious.
She behaved like a snake, so she moved like a snake.
She attacked like a snake.
So she attacked my uncle, broke his rib.
No, not the uncle.
And so broke his wrist.
Yeah, because she went like this.
And so I don't know.
They have like almost like a supernatural.
I don't know if he like didn't pray that day or something
because typically you should be protected from that kind of stuff
and just could not get it out.
And this was happening in front of the church.
And so in our early days, we've always did deliverance where it happened.
We didn't hide it away because we always believe
the kingdom of God needs to come where it's coming.
So, yeah.
I stopped the deliverance, I tapped the girl on the shoulder
and I said, you know, hey, I want to talk to the person.
And so she's like, oh, what's happening to me?
And so, and I said, hey, do you know what's happening to you?
She's like, no, I'm like, that's usually typical of people who go to deliverance.
Like, I feel like I'm sitting in the backseat of the car,
but something else is like, that's what happened kind of to me as well.
I felt, I was conscious.
I knew what was happening.
My vocal cords, I was still in control,
but something else was in the driver's seat.
And I said, hey, I don't know you,
never seen you in our church.
Are you a Christian?
She's like, no.
I was like, well, that makes sense.
Why we're not getting any breakthrough.
And she's like, well, my parents are witch doctors.
They dedicated me to Satan at the age of five.
And so she showed me her finger, her fingers cut.
So she's like, and this was a blood thing
that they cut in my finger and blood was spilled.
And I was like, well, okay, well that makes sense
why this is not going anywhere.
And I was like, Willow, do you want to get like saved?
No, I don't know.
And I was like, okay, we'll leave you with your demons.
And I was like, not only what you experienced,
you can experience for eternity.
And I was like, we can help you.
I'm like, Jesus cannot force anybody.
Plus, why do you want to be delivered?
You're going to spend eternity in this kind of a place
if you don't get saved.
So she's like, okay, I think I want to get saved.
I was like, good job.
So I lead her through just a simple prayer.
She accepts Jesus.
And then, you know, I commend those demons not to come up.
And I said, now you have no legal right.
You got to go.
And so within five minutes, she was delivered.
Wow.
And so, yeah, so that's why, you know, I really believe deliverance belongs to, it's the children's bread.
Now, can God supernaturally intervene?
There are cases where that happens.
He could, you know, move.
But as a general principle, you evict.
people that are not like squatters.
Demons are like, I call them spirit squatters.
You get them out because they don't have a legal basis
anymore to live there.
Also, the reason why you need to be saved before you get delivered is Jesus says that parable where, you know, if you clean your house up and it's empty, seven more will come back even stronger.
So if you deliver someone like her, just something, she'll be opened up to even worse demonic possession.
Yeah, the demons technically don't, yeah, they don't necessarily leave, they don't have any resistance.
Yeah, so that's one of the reasons why, you know, Lazarus was raised from the dead, came out bound, hand, feet, and face.
And that's a picture of so many Christians.
And then what we do is, Rebecca, we practice discipleship that divorces deliverance from discipleship process.
I know.
And our discipleship looks like this.
Bound Lazarus is walking out of a tomb and we yell at him to run.
Okay.
And then what we do is we say, run faster, run faster.
Well, Jesus told people, go to Lazarus and loose him.
So the way we do discipleship in our church
is that we have this seven week process as a starting line.
They learn about the Holy Spirit,
they learn about salvation, they learn about the cross,
they learn about deliverance,
and they learn about the practical,
godly spiritual disciplines.
And then we take them on a three day spiritual retreat.
Wow, this is awesome.
So we've been doing that for four years, every four months.
So we actually just came out of one two weeks ago
and we take the whole church through it.
They learn about the cross, they learn about trauma,
they learn about anger, abuse, they learn about soul ties.
And then we end with deliverance
and about 75% of people manifest.
And they experienced deliverance.
Then we pray for the infilling of the Holy Spirit.
and then we pray for physical healing.
And so many people get healed.
And so when I found out is this,
when you marry deliverance with discipleship,
what begins to happen is though discipleship
is the end goal, but deliverance is a means to that.
It's kind of like Jesus, you know, telling His disciples,
go loose that donkey and bring it to me.
And then Jesus sat on the donkey and went into the city.
A lot of Christians are like those donkeys, they're bound.
We're called to loose them.
and bring them to Jesus.
That's the whole discipleship is.
They're not disciples of me, they're disciples of Jesus
so that He can sit on them, so He can use them,
so He can shake cities and touch people.
But what we've been doing is we've been telling people who are bound
that it's all mental.
All they need is therapy.
All they need is counseling.
Counseling, therapy has its place.
But therapy, counseling, medicine, discipline,
it does not loosen people from demonic oppression.
Only deliverance does.
Yeah, the problem is, especially in America,
I mean, deliverance has become this weird,
it's not in most churches
and it's become this weird side ministry for people.
Not that, you know, it's because they, it's not weird.
People in the church treat it as weird.
And so the only people who are doing it
are like that person you went to,
they're doing it on the side.
Because there's probably not a lot of churches opening up
saying, let's do deliverance.
But most people in the church probably need deliverance.
What's interesting is I was listening, I love Derek Prince.
Well, he had a really powerful deliverance ministry.
That's a big influence on my life.
They Shall Expel Demons.
That's the book that really,
we use that book in a small groups.
We use that book to kind of,
and that's what I feel like Make the Devil Homeless
is my version of that to my generation.
It's like the modern version of that.
But he was, the thing about Derek was he was so intelligent
and so grounded in the word of God that it was never weird talk.
You know, and so he just kind of, this is what the Bible says.
You know, he made it very clear.
But all that being said, one of the things,
I remember listening to a sermon and he said the worst thing,
he said one of the hardest things to deal with
is somebody that has two spirits.
And he talks about Christians that are filled with the Holy Spirit, but they're under demonic influence.
And I think those people can do some of the most damage in the body of Christ.
And they probably don't think they need deliverance because they are spirit-filled.
But people who are spirit-filled can be under the influence of a demon, correct?
Yeah.
I mean, in John 8, Jesus tells, interestingly,
He says to disciples of His, people who,
the Bible says, who believed in His word.
And He says, abide in Me,
and you will be truly My disciples,
and you shall know the truth,
and the truth will set you free.
So He's speaking to people who believed in Him.
We're not talking about an audience
who resisted His teachings.
And they respond to Him, and they said,
we have never,
been in bondage to no one.
Now you're reading that, you're like, okay,
what kind of a delusion do you have to be under?
Because there's a book of Exodus.
They've been in bondage to Egyptians.
There's Babylonians, there's Syrians.
There's a lot of people they've been in bondage.
At that time, they're in bondage to Romans.
So to have this statement,
we've never been in bondage to anybody
shows a lot of deception, self-deception,
which this is the challenge
what I found out Rebecca with.
Bondage. Many people who are in bondage are either desperate for freedom
and God meets them and brings them freedom,
or they are deceived about their spiritual condition.
They normalized things that Jesus came to neutralize.
They domesticated what they need to be delivered from,
and they've learned to cope with things that they needed to terminate
and conquer in their life.
They gave them mental illness disorder labels.
They have medication for their demons.
They have a therapist for their demon,
and they have rhythms and rituals
by which they've learned to cope with this thing.
So here is a person coming in and saying,
"'Hey, you don't have to live with that thing.
"'This heaviness thing, yes, it's generational,
"'but it's not maybe only mental.'"
The Bible says, God has not given us a spirit of heaviness.
God has not given us a spirit of fear.
this thing that you're battling, could it be more spiritual?
You've done everything physically, it's still not being done, dealt with.
You need to deal with it spiritually.
And they will right away say, no, this means that you're saying that I have a demon.
And what is wrong with that?
If you open the door, the point isn't to convince a person that they have a demon.
The point is that, hey, you can be free.
Yeah.
But you can't be free if you keep naming these things, diagnosing these things wrongly.
And you can't be free if you're not seeking freedom because you're constantly seeking just to improve yourself through other means that are not treating the real problem.
Yeah.
How old were you when you got your deliverance?
Very young, 15, 16.
Okay.
And then when did you start incorporating deliverance in your own ministry?
So the first deliverance that I did on someone, I was about 17 years of age.
And you're so young.
Yes, but I was a youth pastor at 16.
How did you even know what to do?
I didn't. But when you went through it yourself, number one. Number two is that I did watch at the time, I picked up some VHS tapes from Bob Larson.
I was reading Derek Prince's books. I was trying to pick up also as much as I can on deliverance and understanding.
And so this guy comes to our youth group and he was like a first time guest. We had like 35 kids.
at the time and so he gets saved because when i spotted the first person i was like man i'm going
after this i'm going to get that one soul saved so he like he prayed a prayer he came to the front
broke down crying the service is over and his name is his name was seth
I still remember that, we'll never forget that.
That marked me for the rest of my life.
And so everybody's almost gone, it's 10 p.m.
There's like seven of us left in the church lobby
and we're like 17, 18.
And I'm like, I'm the oldest, okay?
So like the rest of my youth could be like 16, 15.
And Seth is telling us all the things he did
in his life before he came tonight to church, his first time.
And he's telling us all the crazy stuff, all the people he had sex with.
Now, most of us, we grew up in church, so we were kind of curious how people sinned.
So we asked him a lot of questions out of curiosity.
And then he starts going on this darker path,
and he starts telling that he was dabbling in witchcraft.
And, you know, I've heard about it, so I was like, well, tell me more.
You know, so I'm like, what did you do?
And then all of us were like...
And then he says, well, I actually made a contract
with the devil that if he has, gives me a lot of money,
drugs and sex, I'll follow him.
And I was like, you did that?
And I was like, bro, that's American.
I'm like, you're white.
Like, this is not like Siberia or Mexico or somewhere.
I'm like, why did you do that?
Who even taught you?
So we're just asking him a lot of questions.
We're very curious.
And he starts telling us a little bit
about how he got exposed to all of that.
And then I'm like, so did you continue to do that?
Do you still do witchcraft?
He's like, no, I stopped because I started getting scared.
I started getting visions of hell.
The moment he tells me about the contract that he made,
I get this thought in my head.
Just because he prayed a sinner's prayer,
he still needs to renounce that.
Now, maybe because of what I've seen
in deliverance and other people
that like I knew that you had to break that.
Praying a sinner's prayer is not enough.
It's almost like deleting a Netflix app off of your phone.
You still have to cancel the subscription.
Yeah.
Because it's still going to be collecting payments.
So I said, hey, I know it's like late.
It's like you just prayed a prayer.
But like, do you mind if we lead you to like through a prayer, like breaking that?
He's like, absolutely.
I just want whatever you guys have to offer.
I've never done this before.
So I like, I asked him, close his eyes.
I was like, just repeat the prayer.
It's very simple prayer, nothing fancy about the prayer.
And then we all kind of pulled away from him.
And then simple prayer, Lord Jesus, I,
the moment it gets to the word, we're in us.
And I was like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God,
this is real.
And then his face, I'm not lying,
churn starts turning greenish.
Yeah.
He goes, his hand starts twisting.
Now all of us stood very far from him
because I was like, man, guys, don't touch him.
This is unclean.
I was at the time, I was very afraid of like demonized people.
And so, and then he can't pronounce word renounce.
He can't pronounce, can't finish the word Jesus.
And the moment I was like, you got to say it.
You have to say it.
And the moment he says it, we just commanded,
come out of him right now in the name of Jesus.
Like a pencil, Rebecca, he just falls.
Nobody touched him.
And we're like, and like all the guys,
like five of us look at me, they're like,
oh my God, this is awesome.
Praise God, like for his deliverance.
There's one problem, he wasn't getting up.
So he's just on the floor lying there.
So I hit his foot and I was like, hey, Seth, get up.
And he's not responding.
It's 10 o'clock, there's no adults in the church.
This guy's Italian.
We're a bunch of Russians, Ukrainians.
In my head, I was like, oh my God, what just happened?
I'm like, is he dead?
I'm thinking he's dead.
So I'm checking his pulse.
I don't know, I was just scared
because I've never seen anything like this.
I would be scared, yeah.
And I can't feel his pulse.
Well, partially I was nervous.
I couldn't feel anything.
I was like, oh Jesus, have mercy.
I was like, I wanted him to be delivered, not dead.
He went straight to see Jesus.
And I was like, how am I going to explain this to the cops?
I'm running all of these scenarios.
My guys are looking at me.
And I was like, Seth, get up.
And I remember the story in the Bible
where Jesus delivered a little boy
and actually the Bible said that they thought
the boy was dead and Jesus picked him up
and everything was fine.
So we actually picked him up.
We set him on the chair and then he slowly came back.
I was like, thank God.
And I asked him, I said, what happened to you?
And he's like, well, when we started to pray the prayer,
everything blacked out.
And he's like, all of you guys held your hands
and you held me back from punching you
because I heard a voice to punch you.
I was like, dude, none of us were close to you.
We were far from you.
He's like, no, no, no.
He's like, you guys all did.
You strapped me.
I was like, dude, we all were far from you.
He's like, no, you guys did.
He's like, that's why I couldn't punch any of you.
And that day, Rebecca, I realized God's angels were on the scene.
Though we had no experience, God's spirit was moving.
And so he was completely set free.
Next day, I meet with him to follow up.
Turns out God healed him of his, he had a lung problem.
He couldn't run because of smoking
and had a very sharp pain.
He went for a first time run in a long time
and he was supernaturally healed.
And so he was set free from that.
And that was my first introduction.
And you know what's interesting?
I've seen throughout the years many times
when people went and received deliverance who were healed
of incurable things.
I've heard about that.
Blood issues, sleep apneas,
a lot of other even mental health issues
where people were, after they were delivered,
they were completely cured.
Wow. And so how did you become more, I guess, developed?
Did you just keep doing it? Or did you have anyone teach you?
So some of it was books, materials from other people.
And then this is one of those things.
There's so much you can learn from reading a book.
You have to practice it.
And so we don't seek demons. We just save the lost.
So that's not your goal.
You're not like, I'm going to go cast people.
No.
We just, we never even focused on it.
Yeah.
We just focused on saving the lost.
And when the Holy Spirit's fire comes on the scene, demons come out.
And when they surface, just cast them out.
And so some cases take a little bit longer.
We had one case where a guy was addicted to Paris Hilton porn.
And just during worship, fell like a pencil.
Wow.
Another pencil drop.
I mean, just bam, nobody caught him.
And so we were like, I actually thought
that he just got touched by the Holy Spirit.
So I actually didn't think it was demonic.
So he's lying there five minutes into it.
Like, I was like, oh my God, the glory of God is here.
And so in fact, we come to pray for him.
Half of us were praying more.
The other half were praying out.
Yeah.
So, and I was confused because I was like, man,
what is happening?
I mean, he was at such a peace, just lying there.
I was like, man, let's just let him rest.
And one of my team members, they're like,
I think this is unclean.
I was like, why is everything has to be a demon?
I was like, he's just soaking in the presence of God.
I was like, Lord, you know, I wasn't praying more,
but I was just kind of confused.
And so for a few minutes into it,
And I was like, okay, definitely.
This is not more.
We need less of this.
Yeah.
And his deliverance lasted a month.
A month?
Yeah.
How did you?
Because he kept going back to the same thing every single night,
and he lived with his parents.
When we pressed him harder,
it turns out when he had a babysitter as a witch at two years of age
who tried to burn him.
Now, this is the crazy part.
Nobody knows that except his parents.
There is a mark on his leg of a burn scar.
He has no idea that happened.
A demon said that.
that I entered through him being burned by a witch.
And I was like, what the heck?
So we called his parents.
His parents are not Christians.
We're like, hey, we just need to just verify it.
This is demon.
We don't believe what demons say,
but we're trying to help your son.
And we seem not to get a breakthrough on what happened.
And the parents looked at us with these kind of eyes.
They're like, how did you know?
This is sealed.
Nobody knows this except an attorney.
And this person, you know, face jail time and et cetera.
He has no idea.
And I said, well, the demons do.
And so, and then the parents started to collaborate
with us more in his deliverance.
And, but he still would fall every single night.
We would pray for him.
He would go back home and download the same thing again.
And,
We will have to deal with it again next day.
What led to the final breakthrough?
Because he did get delivered, right?
He did get delivered, but he didn't want to be discipled.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
He's one of my cases who's still yet to come back to church.
He's not in church, and I'm still praying for him.
And he still lives in the city.
I haven't seen him in a long time.
There are a few of my members have seen it.
And eventually, he stopped coming to church.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
So it's kind of one of those things that, you know, you come out of Egypt.
Not everybody who comes out of Egypt goes to the promised land.
Some people don't want to be discipled.
Some people don't want to go through and submit through that.
It's one thing to get the demons out.
It's another thing to let...
allow discipleship to happen in your life, to apply discipline.
Some people just want the quick fix, but they do not want to deny themselves,
submit to leadership, submit to discipleship.
And if it's a younger person, it's harder when you don't have the support from your parents
and your parents also don't allow you to go to church.
And that was kind of the case with him at one time.
They're like, yeah, this is good, but we don't want him.
We want him to go to a Catholic church.
And so he kind of got lost there.
Were they practicing Catholics or were they just like—
I call it Catholic-alcoholic.
You know, Catholic on Sunday, alcoholic on Saturday.
Not devout, just CEO Christmas, Easter only.
You know, Catholics love them.
But there is some of that sometimes where it's like—
I had friends that came out of the Catholic church or a non-denominational church
and they said like their whole family judged them over that.
So sometimes it can be kind of like almost like a stronghold.
Like you have to go to this church.
Yeah, and I mean, if he would have been devout to Jesus,
to the scriptures, it would be different.
But if it just becomes this kind of an umbrella
for doing what you want and escaping discipleship
and submission to the God's word, and then you stop going,
you know, you're not getting that encounter
with the Lord and stuff, and so then,
the person quickly finds themselves in the same bondage.
You know, if you're delivered from demons
only to be bound by selfishness,
you're in the same prison cell.
You know, deliverance is not just getting demons out.
It's literally living a crucified life.
I always tell people that when you get delivered,
God, you don't get more of God, but God gets more of you.
Now there's more of you that's available to Him,
but you gotta offer that.
God doesn't deliver us so that we can live for ourselves.
I think 18 times in the book of Exodus,
it says that, you know, that they may serve me,
that they may serve me, that they may serve me.
Not so that they will have milk and honey.
but that they will serve me, that they will serve me.
And so if the idea of deliverance is so that I don't have
to have tormenting thoughts, no longer have nightmares,
no longer have intrusive thoughts,
no longer have depression.
If that is the idea, that is the means to an end,
the end is that the Holy Spirit now will occupy
those places of my life.
The kingdom of God will have those areas of my life
that Jesus will reclaim his authority in my life,
that I will now be free
more fully surrendered to Him,
not more available to my ambitions, dreams, and goals.
And some people just want to be free
so they don't have to suffer.
They don't want to be free so that they could serve.
Yeah, that's such an important word.
It's like Christ sets us free so that we can serve him.
Which I mean, if you lose your life for him,
then you'll actually live.
Yeah.
For Christians that are watching this,
because I'm thinking about the person at home
listening to this and they're thinking,
I think I might have a demon.
I'm not sure.
What do I even do?
Where do I even go?
What would your advice to them be?
How do they walk through this process?
So, one is recognizing, that's the first step, is recognizing that what a person has is more spiritual than physical.
When things are repeated, when things are, you know, we're led by the spirit, but demons drive people.
When something feels like there's a drive there, there's this compulsion, people lose control, you know, fly off the wall and say, man, I lost control.
I remember praying for one guy who was, he starts manifesting during the service,
but he was in a suit, a young guy, he's like 18 years of age, came in a suit,
which I knew his first time because I didn't know how to dress up.
I mean, it was such a violent manifestation.
Turns out that his brother dies and he goes and crawls dirt on the cemetery.
A young guy.
I'm like, why in the world would you want to do that?
And so something entered him and then he-
Wait, what did he do in the cemetery?
He would crawl dirt and just be angry against God
for taking his brother,
because his brother died of, I think, cancer or something.
And so, and he would invite evil or,
he said he doesn't remember, he was just angry.
He was just processing that.
But I'm like, cemetery, bro, really?
Why?
You're 18.
And plus he grew up Catholic.
And I was like, you're not even allowed to do that as a Catholic.
And so he's like, I don't know.
I was just angry at God.
I was like, so what cemetery has to do with it?
Anyway, he's like, I don't understand.
But, you know, demons don't play fair.
And so something entered him.
Then he started to have these episodes.
He would snap.
And out of control, like he threw a hammer at his mom.
He punched doors, he punched his teacher, so he got kicked out of school, got locked in the jail, broke doors, windows.
And the interesting thing is that when he comes back to himself, he's like, no, that wasn't me.
I was in control of something.
So I always tell people that that's how kind of you recognize this.
Something just kind of takes over and you're out of control.
And while we don't blame demons for those things, but we still have to recognize those patterns.
So eventually he was set free as a calm, as anybody can be, eventually got a family and,
you know, moved and had kids.
And I mean, normal guy, never had those episodes again.
And so we recognize first the things that are more spiritual than normal.
And sometimes people are like, well, how do I distinguish when, you know, if you've,
went to the doctor already,
took all the physical treatment
and you realize that that problem still persists,
it might be spiritual.
If you apply discipline
and you realize that problem still persists
and there's intrusive thoughts, demonic dreams,
compulsiveness that exists that is just not yours,
you prayed, you fasted, it probably is more spiritual.
So we recognize.
Number two is that we repent.
We repent for in any ways we've opened the door
to the demonic.
Sometimes the first exposure to particular sins,
like pornography or other things could be an entryway,
or sometimes that could be more of an activation
of what's lied dormant throughout the generations.
And so instead of making it super complicated,
we just ask the Holy Spirit to highlight
things we need to repent.
In my case, I had to repent for the sins of my ancestors,
not so that they could be forgiven,
They're gone, but so that I could be disconnected from that.
So we repent.
And then we renounce.
We renounce any known oaths, covenants, allegiance, agreements.
or even soul ties that we have had with different people.
Because sometimes people get demons through sex.
I remember praying for this young guy.
After the service, he comes up to me and he's like,
hey, I have this weird thing.
It was a sexual problem that he had.
And I was like, well, you're single.
You shouldn't even know if you have a sexual problem or not.
His,
male organ wasn't working.
He's like, and I was like,
and how do you know it's not working?
You're single.
And he's like, well, long story, I slept with this girl.
And afterwards, everything changed.
He's like, and I found out she was a witch.
He's a high schooler.
And I was like, what?
So we start praying for him
and he just goes crazy bananas.
He broke a guitar in the room
because I was praying in the music room.
Man, I end up paying for the guitar afterwards.
And eventually the demon came out and everything.
And so, you know, condoms protect people
from sexual diseases.
They do not protect people from sexual demons.
Demons do get transferred.
and people develop soul ties and they also get transfers of demons through sexual contact.
And so we renounce soul ties, we renounce oaths, we renounce those things.
And after the renouncement, we release any unforgiveness.
Because a lot of times people can do all of these, but if they hold on to unforgiveness,
the enemy has a stronghold.
I remember praying for this very known lesbian.
She was very public about her lesbianism.
She was very open about it.
She worked, I believe it was Jesse Penney's.
And in high school, she was also very open.
So everybody kind of knew that.
At the age of five, she was abused by her uncle.
And after that, something entered her, a hate for men.
And then very soon she became a lesbian.
She comes to a service and she starts manifesting.
And so three days, because we had a conference,
deliverance conference, all three days she was manifesting.
And then last day, the demon came out,
but she couldn't be delivered until she forgave her uncle.
And she was like, well, it's not fair, you know,
that I got these demons,
but I didn't even want to get these demons.
I didn't do anything occult, he just abused me.
And I'm like, yeah, I know it's not fair.
But demons don't play fair.
They use legal rights.
And right now they're holding onto you.
We can't cast them out until you forgive your uncle.
If you don't forgive, they won't leave.
And so, and it's until she released that unforgiveness,
that bitterness, and that trauma started to get healed,
now the demons were cast out.
And so we release.
And then we rebuke the demon.
We command the demon to come out of a person.
Self-deliverance works.
People can actually follow a deliverance minister
who leads them through deliverance.
Deliverance, that's self-deliverance
is not biblical mandate for deliverance.
Biblically, it's casting demons out of a person
by somebody telling the demon out of the person to come out.
That is a biblical standard
because practically makes also a problem.
When you start going through self-deliverance
and the person manifests, sometimes people throw up.
Sometimes people yell out
and if you're the one leading yourself,
you can actually get stuck.
And so having somebody pray for you is biblical
and it's also the standard practice for deliverance.
But I've seen many people be delivered
by following a video or a prayer of somebody praying
and literally receiving that prayer
and then having those unclean spirits being cast out.
So the demon being rebuked,
out of a person, and then there's the follow-up.
And that is replacing the empty spaces of our life with the Word of God,
resisting the enemy on the outside, because the demons on the inside are removed,
the demons on the outside are resisted, and then there's the renewing of the mind.
we bring down the strongholds.
And then there is the part of being placed
in the family of God,
being anchored in a local church to stay grounded.
Because the goal isn't,
the goal is to make the devil homeless,
not to make Christians homeless,
where some people get delivered
and they no longer want to go to church
because like my pastor doesn't do deliverance.
So I don't need to go to the church.
I just need to follow YouTube.
Every person needs to have a local church
and every person needs to be planted local church.
So that's kind of the practical process.
And I would just encourage people who are listening to this,
because there are a lot of local churches that are great.
They don't practice deliverance.
I think you can speak this to Vlad.
It's more important that you're plugged in somewhere
that's a Bible-believing church.
Even if they don't do everything,
you can't separate yourself from that.
Because if you are and you're following,
that's not a church community online.
or following someone on YouTube, you need to be in the church.
And I think I understand that now more than ever.
And I think one of the things I've learned is don't judge a church too harshly.
Of course, have standards.
They need to believe in the Word of God.
They need to believe Jesus is the Son of God, obviously, right?
They need to preach a true gospel.
But it doesn't have to be 100% offer every single thing that you want, you know,
that can't keep you from putting yourself in a church,
submitting yourself to your church
and integrating yourself into a community of believers.
If there was an option of going to a church
that is spirit filled,
that welcomes the gifts of the Holy Spirit,
I always tell people choose that.
But if only option that you have
is a good Bible preaching church
that maybe shies away from the spiritual expressions
and that's the only church you have,
you should take your children there,
you should be plugged in there and,
spiritually grow there.
People should look for a church where they grow,
not just where they're fed.
That's a good word.
And then what happens is that on the side,
they could be fed with other things.
They could kind of, I call them supplements.
That's what I do.
Yeah.
You can supplement stuff outside,
but you need to find a good place for you,
your kids, your marriage.
You just, you can't sacrifice that.
A hundred percent.
You can't.
A church that prays, a church,
I agree with you being spirit filled.
That's really important.
Yeah.
Now, they compromise and the pastor comes out with a gay flag.
That's a no.
Yeah, you got to run from that.
That's not a church.
That's a synagogue of Satan.
Yeah, that's not.
That's why I'm saying like they must believe in the fullness of the word of God.
I completely agree with you though.
Can you tell the story?
You have a story in a book about Joshua.
Can you tell that story really quick?
So I shared the story.
I actually interviewed him.
The only problem is that the reception was so bad
in where he's at Liberia that I cannot use that interview.
Yeah, so I interviewed him and I know a person
who knows him and who works for him.
So this testimony is not just something I read online.
I know people that work with him really well.
And so he was part of this village that was a very,
had this high priest who died,
and then the mantle was passed on to Joshua's father.
And right away, the village decided to link him up
with another woman than his wife to give birth to a child
so that this mantle of this village high priest
could be passed on to a child.
So he was already born,
marked to take on the role of a high priest in this village
of this particular spiritual principality.
And when he was born from a young age,
he was already dedicated to that principality.
At the very young age, I believe it was 14
that he started his in, no, 14 years as he was doing that,
but a very young age, eight or 12 age
is when he started to become initiated.
Part of the initiation process was he had to learn
how to hunt for four years blindfolded.
He had to kill an animal, eat an animal's heart, and survive in the wilderness,
and to be blindfolded. Why? So he could hear the Spirit guide him,
instead of his eyes guiding him.
And so, as he got more entrenched in the spiritual,
this entity started to gain more possession of him, and more possession of him.
So, for 14 years, from midnight till 4 o'clock in the morning,
for four hours straight, every single night,
he would leave his body and he would spend time with this entity.
He had over 3,000 priests under him, even as like a 15, 16 year old.
So a president of the nation at the time was under his control.
And so where he got the name, butt naked general, there's documentaries done about him.
So this is not like some kind of a story.
This is, there's articles that are written about him.
It's verified.
It's verified. Yeah. So...
He was eventually leading an army.
And the reason why he's called butt naked,
he actually led his army naked.
And so he was completely like,
we would call him today like out of control,
but he had a very powerful power in there.
So they had to do a human sacrifice once a year,
and then he would have to go in
as far as doing it once a month.
The more innocent the child is,
the more power that he would get.
And so, and the more fear,
he would see on the face of a person before he would die,
they would die.
Now, put in perspective,
the parents would willingly offer their children
because that was one of the ways to appease that deity,
appease that principality.
So people would willingly offer themselves
to this principality for the sake of prosperity, wealth,
and winning their tribe and et cetera.
And after this one particular, you know, it's gruesome,
even learning his story,
where a very innocent human being was sacrificed.
He would feel no remorse.
He had a vision and Jesus showed up
and he saw Jesus in his glory and his power
and it messed him up.
After that, his deity couldn't protect him anymore.
He started to have problems
because he was a general as well.
He started to get shot and bullets would penetrate him
because before the bullets wouldn't penetrate him.
So he started to have problems.
He's like, what's going on?
And then other things started to not work for him
in his thing.
Then this group of Christians targeted him
for prayer and intercession.
They renamed him Joshua.
so that nobody finds out
that they're specifically interceding
and fasting for his salvation.
So they renamed him Joshua,
believing that God will make him like Joshua
because of so many deaths that were happening,
so many people that were being killed,
and it was just a witchcraft stronghold.
So they took upon themselves
to really pray for his salvation.
Part of their strategy was to come to his house.
It was well guarded.
He was also like a military general.
and he was spiritually guarded.
But what started to happen,
they would penetrate all the way to his house
and into his room undetected.
And they would come in straight to him
and tell him about Christ.
He was still not accept Christ.
He just couldn't understand
how do they get past his security?
How did they get past not being detected
by his also spiritual charms?
And so they would keep succeeding at it.
So-
They would physically get into his house?
physically get into his house and tell him about Christ.
And he's like, what just happened?
How did you get through it?
And nobody would see him and he couldn't do anything.
He couldn't hurt them.
So which has also made him frustrated
because he had a lot of power
and now he couldn't do something.
He would come out of his body trying to harm them
and he can't.
And so this encounter with God,
these things started to happen
until he finally decides to go to church.
So he goes to church, the message happens there
and he gets supernaturally pulled to the altar.
He starts manifesting, gets another vision of Jesus.
And then that's when the deliverance starts to happen.
He renounces the witchcraft
and then comes a years of torment.
All the human sacrifices, all the blood,
all the screams now come.
See up to this point,
He's immune to that.
He's desensitized.
And now he hears, he sees it in the shower, the blood.
He hears it in his dreams.
And so he's now a Christian.
And now he, of course, is being hunted by the witchcraft.
Yeah, because they don't want him alive.
Yeah, but now most important,
he's being hunted by his past sins.
And yeah, Jesus forgave him, but the cries,
you know, the blood cries out.
He goes for deliverance and he finally gets delivered.
What's interesting though, is when he was initiated,
he ate physically these particular items.
And some of it was shells and a little bit of rocks.
He took them into his body when he was a young man.
During his deliverance, the same items came out of his body.
exactly the same ones.
They were planted there as almost like a point of contact.
And so, and once he was delivered,
all of those nightmares stopped.
He became a preacher.
He started to preach the gospel.
He started to lead hundreds and thousands for Christ.
Still this day, still has a ministry there in Liberia.
A good friend of mine who is a small group leader
in our church, he's a very close friend,
is his assistant in Liberia.
And so that's how also I know this story to be true.
So the Lord really set him free, but a story
that I experienced that almost cost me my life
was in Nigeria.
About eight years ago,
I took a group of 60 people to Nigeria.
We went to this church and what I did not know at the time
is Boko Haram, who's responsible at that time already
for 10,000 deaths in Nigeria.
Right now it's about 56,000 deaths in last 14 years.
So it's a very powerful terrorist group
that's mixed with witchcraft.
What I didn't know
is how mixed they are with witchcraft.
So 60 of us are in this church.
And what I didn't know is three terrorists created a bomb
and were planning to leave the bomb
on the exit of the church entrance.
That's exactly what we were sitting.
So services were about 11 to 18 hours long.
So we were waiting for the service to end.
And then they drag a person in the middle of the church
from a coffee shop nearby the church.
And the pastor, the guy stops the service
and he says, we need to pray for this guy's deliverance.
You know, deliverance in that church was normal.
Turns out that the guys were waiting for 11 hours
in the nearby cafe with the bomb
for the service to be over and once people will be exiting,
they were supposed to drop it in the crowd
and for the mass explosion.
As they are waiting in the cafe,
the live stream was playing
and they were watching the live stream
to see when the service ends
so they could be in time to drop the bomb.
and they started to feel uncomfortable
and they start manifesting.
Two of them took the bomb and ran.
The other guy decided to,
because he had bits and charms around his waist
to protect him from Christian influence.
So not only he was a terrorist
who never stepped a foot in the church,
he had charms to protect him from Christian influence.
And he was manifesting, he refused to leave the coffee shop.
So the owner of the coffee shop noticed
that this was happening,
did not know that this was a terrorist.
Called the church, called the ushers.
The ushers just dragged him through the street,
straight into the church.
And he ends up, you know, right in front on the stage.
I was actually about, as here from here to that door,
so maybe just 40 feet away, right in front of my face.
Now this guy's face was obviously showing
He wasn't normal, something was going on to him.
I didn't know he was a terrorist,
didn't know he would belong to Boko Haram.
It was after his deliverance.
So about 30 minutes of like violent demons coming out.
And then his face, right, Rebecca,
right in front of my face, I saw his face change.
This guy's never been in church.
A radical Islam terrorist, had charms around him.
He gets on his knees after his deliverance,
he takes his charms off.
He starts crying and he accepts Jesus.
And it was such a moving thing because in my mind,
those are the people, they're going straight to hell.
There's no mercy for them.
They're so lost.
But I saw this person change in front of my eyes.
Of course, the Nigerian police came right away,
arrested him right away.
He went straight to jail.
So praise God for your salvation.
You're going to serve the rest of your sentence.
And so, and I went to sleep that night,
first of all, thinking, oh my God,
I could have died today.
Could have been another headline on BBC or something.
Had it not been for the Holy Spirit arresting this guy
and delivering him from this.
And then the other thing is that, oh my God, evil people.
are when evil is removed,
something in them still responds to the gospel.
I'm like, what would happen if the power of the Holy Spirit
touches the craziest people amongst us?
Yes, they need to probably go and pay for their sins
and et cetera, but a jail is not gonna remove evil
out of them.
Only Jesus removes evil out of people.
Jail removes evil.
people out of our communities, but only deliverance,
only Jesus removes evil out of people.
And so that was a life defining moment for me.
And so you've lived your life committed to reaching the lost
and seeing them saved and set free.
And set free.
My first goal is for people to be saved.
I don't chase demons.
I don't, that's not my point.
When souls are make disciples, but in the process of that,
we encounter unclean spirits who don't feel comfortable
in people's lives anymore.
And like snakes, when Paul gathered fire,
They come up because of the heat and we just are not afraid
or I don't care what the crowd thinks.
You know, when Jesus cast out demons, the crowd, some rejoice.
Some people thought it was kind of spooky and crazy and stuff.
So I always tell people that freedom of people is more important
than the opinions and the comfort of the general crowd.
Yeah, that's so good.
Can you say a prayer for the people who, as we wrap,
a prayer for the people who are watching?
Yeah.
If you're watching right now,
and maybe you're experiencing torments,
maybe you hear voices in the third person in your head,
maybe you have something visiting you at night,
and it's just something that people think you're crazy,
you just need to see a psychiatrist or a therapist
or a doctor, or perhaps you're already on medication,
trying to deal with that.
And maybe listening to today,
Realize, hey, something might be more vicious
or more spiritual that's tormenting you.
Or right there where you are,
I wanna let you know Jesus loves you.
I wanna let you know that Jesus died to save you.
Jesus died to set you free.
His kingdom is here right now
and the Holy Spirit can and wants to set you free.
Just right there where you are,
just put your hand on your heart.
Lord Jesus, I thank you that you died to break the curse of the law.
You died to defeat every sin, principality, demon, snake,
spirit of python, spirit of fear.
Leviathan generational curses.
Jesus, thank you for that.
And right now we take authority over every unclean spirit
that is tormenting that person.
Every spirit that torments our mind,
in the name of Jesus, I command you to leave right now.
Every spirit that torments their emotions,
that attaches itself to their emotions,
leave right now in the name of Jesus.
Every spirit that attacks them in the night,
where they get intrusive, tormenting, paralysis,
sexual dreams,
something killing them, chasing them.
In the name of Jesus,
I command those spirits to leave right now.
Every dead person that shows up in your sleep all the time,
in the name of Jesus,
I command that unclean spirit that takes the face
of your grandfather or your aunt or your mom
to leave right now in Jesus' name.
Because of Christ, be free right now.
Be free in Jesus' name.
That depression, go right now in the name of Jesus.
That heaviness, go in Jesus' mighty name.
The spirit of death, leave right now
in the mighty name of Jesus.
We also break all the generational curses.
Right now we take authority over everything
that has been just flowing through the bloodline
in the name of Jesus Christ.
Let it be broken right now.
Be free in Jesus' name, as you release unforgiveness,
as you break and renounce any oaths, any agreements,
be free in Jesus' mighty name.
Lord, let your freedom come, let your freedom reign
within this person's life, in Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.
Well, thank you so much for being here.
For people, how do they find out about your deliverance?
There's probably someone watching this
that might want to come.
How often do you do your deliverance conferences?
How do they get connected to that?
So deliverance conferences we do once a year
on the Halloween weekend.
Perfect timing.
I feel like it is perfect timing.
And, but we do deliverance services every single month,
last Sunday of every month.
We pray for deliverance every week,
but we do a specific deliverance service
at the last Sunday of every month.
And then, but the deliverance conference
will be in Tacoma this weekend.
So hungrygen.com.
and all the resources on deliverance,
specifically deliverance prayers
and kind of understanding it more,
small group curriculum, deliverancebook.com.
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much, Vlad.
Thank you, Rebecca.