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THE WORD OUT. WE SUPER,
WE SUPER -- WE SO APPRECIATE IT.

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>> WE SUPER APPRECIATE IT.
>> AND WITHOUT -- WE SUPER

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APPRECIATE IT. AND WITHOUT
FURTHER ADO, SO FORMAL, WE HAVE

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THE GIBSONS HERE. WHOO!
>> WE'RE EXCITED. >> THANKS FOR

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HAVING US. WHAT AN HONOR.
>> THANKS FOR COMING BACK. I

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MEAN, IT WAS SO MUCH FUN.
JONATHAN WAS LIKE, WE SHOULD

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HAVE BRIAN AND JESSE ON. THIS
IS THE LOVELY COUPLE. SO YEAH.

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THAT'S GREAT.
>> WELL, WHAT STARTED THAT

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WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS WE GOT
TO HAVE LUNCH AFTER, AND I

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LOVED HAVING YOUR WIFE WITH US
AND GETTING HER PERSPECTIVE ON

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THINGS. AND THEN WE FOUND OUT
THAT YOU GUYS ACTUALLY WROTE A

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BOOK TOGETHER.
>> OH, YEAH.

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>> OKAY, SO TOGETHER CALLED
LOVE HANDLES.

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>> WHICH I WAS LIKE THE
GREATEST TITLE I'VE

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EVER HEARD.
>> THAT ALONE IS THE BEST TITLE

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BOOK I'VE EVER HEARD.
>> IN THAT MOMENT, I WAS LIKE,

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THESE ARE MY PEOPLE. I WAS LIKE,
JUST SOLIDIFIED IT FOR ME. I

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WAS LIKE, THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
WHO CAME UP WITH THAT NAME?

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>> IT WAS ACTUALLY A FRIEND OF
OURS, A FRIEND OF OURS FOR

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YEARS AND YEARS. BRIAN'S
PROBABLY GOING TO TRY TO TAKE

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CREDIT, BUT HE DIDN'T.
>> I'M SURE IT WAS ME. I CAN'T

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WE WE FOUGHT ABOUT WHO NAMED
OUR CHURCH LIKE 20 YEARS AGO.

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AND NOBODY HAS A CONSENSUS
WHERE THE NAME REALLY
--EVERYBODY,

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EVERYBODY WANTS ALL THE GLORY,
RIGHT? THEY WANT ALL THE GLORY.

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>> BUT WHAT IS THE NAME OF
THE CHURCH?

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>> WELL, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT
NAME, BUT WE COMPILED IT

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TOGETHER. WE'RE HIS CHURCH NOW.
IT'S THE NAME OF HIS CHURCH,

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BECAUSE MULTIPLE CHURCHES, LIKE
THE ONE THAT SENT US, WE WENT

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BACK AND TOOK IT. WE PLANTED
OTHER LOCATIONS AND NOW IT'S

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ALL ONE CHURCH. SO HIS CHURCH
BACK IN THE DAY, WE WERE RIVER

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CITY CHURCH.
>> YEAH. AND WE DO KNOW WHO

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NAMED HIS CHURCH BECAUSE HE
SAID, IF I COULD NAME IT, I

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WOULD JUST NAME IT CHURCH. BUT
YOU CAN'T FIND IT ON THE

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INTERNET. I'M LIKE, YOU CAN'T
NAME SOMETHING CHURCH.

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>> I LIKE.
>> WHY IS IT HE'S LIKE, I JUST.

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>> LIKE CHURCH IS JUST
WHAT IT IS.

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>> IF WE GET A DOG, I'M GOING
TO NAME IT DOG. AND IF WE GET A

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CAT, I'M GOING TO NAME IT CAT.
SO WHY CAN'T WE JUST NAME THE

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CHURCH? CHURCH? I'M LIKE,
BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND IT. IT

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NEEDS AN IDENTIFYING FACTOR.
>> SO IT DOES.

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>> HE SAID, OKAY, WELL JUST I
DON'T KNOW, JUST I WISH IT

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COULD JUST BE CALLED HIS CHURCH
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY

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ABOUT IT. SO THAT'S THE REASON
WE NAMED IT.

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>> LIKE THAT THOUGH.
>> YEAH.

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>> YEAH.
>> IT'S VERY TAXING OF YOU

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BECAUSE WASN'T JOHN WAYNE HE
NAMED HIS DOG DOG.

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>> DOG. YEAH, YEAH, HE'D SEEN
THE MOVIE. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M

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COMING FROM? YOU NAME A DOG?
YEAH. WELL, I THINK THE CHURCH

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IS JESUS'S CHURCH, RIGHT? AND
IF IT'S HIS DEAL, IT'S HIS BILL.

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GIVE HIM ALL THE GLORY. HE'S IN
CHARGE. NAME IT HIS CHURCH. IT

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TAKES THE WEIGHT OFF OF US. AND
IT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE AT THE

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THRONE ROOM.
>> SO WHAT MADE YOU GUYS WANT

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TO WRITE A MARRIAGE BOOK?
>> LOVE HANDLES. JESS. TELL

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THEM. TELL THEM WHAT YOU THINK.
>> I THINK. WELL, I THINK WHAT

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MADE US WANT TO WRITE A
MARRIAGE BOOK IS JUST HAVING TO

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BE MARRIED FOR 25 YEARS. YOU
KNOW, IT WAS LIKE WE MARRIED

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EACH OTHER AND WE LIKED EACH
OTHER. WE WERE FRIENDS. AND I

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THINK IT WAS JUST KIND OF AT
TIMES DISCOURAGING TO US THAT

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IT WOULD SEEM SO IMPOSSIBLE OR
SO OVERWHELMING. AND WE REALLY

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WANTED TO STAY FRIENDS, RAISE
KIDS THAT WANTED TO COME BACK

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HOME WHEN THEY LEFT BECAUSE IT
WAS FUN AND GREAT TO BE THERE.

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AND IT WAS HEALTHY, YOU KNOW,
NOT LIKE THEY HAD TO OR THEY

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JUST RAN AWAY. BUT WE JUST THAT
WAS OUR GOAL. WE STARTED HAVING

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KIDS, WE STARTED PLANTING
CHURCHES. THINGS GOT SUPER

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STRESSFUL WHEN WE WOULD LOOK
FOR THINGS TO DO. IT WAS LIKE

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EITHER SUPER SAPPY AND LIKE HE
COULD NOT NEED TO TALK ABOUT,
LIKE,

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YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DISCUSS
THINGS. AND SO THE WAY WE IN

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OUR CHURCH AND THAT WE, WE
WOULD DO THESE SERIES AND

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PEOPLE WOULD COME AND IT
WOULD BE THE LARGEST

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ATTENDED SERIES OF THE YEAR,
THE LARGEST DOWNLOADED

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SERIES OF THE YEAR. AND WE
THOUGHT, WE'VE GOT TO HELP

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PEOPLE, BECAUSE IF IT SEEMS TOO
BIG TO WRAP YOUR BRAIN AROUND,

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THEY JUST GET OVERWHELMED AND
THERE'S NO HOPE. AND SO WE

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WANTED TO WRITE A BOOK THAT WAS
SUPER SIMPLE AND THAT HAD A

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PRACTICAL APPLICATION AT THE
END OF EACH CHAPTER THAT YOU

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COULD LIKE, IF YOU'RE SITTING
AT YOUR KID'S SOCCER GAME, YOU

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COULD READ THE CHAPTER TOGETHER
IN TEN MINUTES. AND THEN THAT

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WEEK WHEN YOU GO ON A DATE,
LIKE TRY TO PUT THE LITTLE, YOU

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KNOW, LOVE HANDLE IS WHAT WE
CALLED THE KIND OF HOMEWORK AT

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THE END. AND IT WAS JUST A
SUPER SIMPLE ONE STEP THING

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WHERE THEY WOULD BUILD A FAMILY
CULTURE FOR THEMSELVES. BUT IT

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WAS EASY AND WE WANTED LIKE A
25 YEAR OLD SOCCER MOM AND DAD,

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TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN THEIR
CRAZY WEEK WITH NO SLEEP. AND

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SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE WE.
>> WERE.

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>> COMING FROM.
>> I READ IT, THAT'S WHAT I

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KEEP THINKING.
>> I WISH YOU BROUGHT A BOOK.

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>> SO YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE
ACTUALLY BROUGHT A COPY. I'LL

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GET ONE ON AMAZON. SINCE WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT IT. I SHOULD HAVE

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BROUGHT IT. OH, GREAT. YEAH.
LOVE HANDLES. THE WHOLE IDEA IS

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HOW TO HOLD ON TO THE LOVE OF
YOUR LIFE. AND SO I THINK ABOUT

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GOD TAKING THE RIB OUT OF ADAM,
RIGHT OUT OF ADAM'S SIDE,

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CREATING EVE. SO WHO KNOWS,
MAYBE THE RIB WAS LOW SOMEWHERE

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DOWN AROUND THE THE FAT ON MY
BACK OR MY SIDE. AND THAT'S

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WHERE THE RIB CAME OUT OF. AND
THAT'S WHERE THE MOST IMPORTANT

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THING ADAM HAS, IT'S GOING TO
BE CREATED. SO THAT IDEA OF

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LOVE HANDLE. AND SO THEN THERE
ARE DIFFERENT LOVE HANDLES WHAT

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TO HOLD ON TO. RIGHT. HOLD ON
TO YOUR FAMILY UNIT. RIGHT.

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HOLD ON TO YOUR LOVE LIFE. HOLD
ON TO YOUR COMMUNICATION. THESE

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IDEAS AND I FOUND THIS ABOUT
MARRIAGE. LIKE I WASN'T IN AN

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ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU WERE EVER
TAUGHT ABOUT MARRIAGE. YOU KNOW,

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THAT WAS KIND OF QUIET TABOO.
MOM AND DAD WERE MARRIED, BUT

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WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THEIR
PROBLEMS. ALL THAT WAS BEHIND

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CLOSED DOORS IN THE FAMILY I
GREW UP IN. YOU REALLY DIDN'T

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TALK ABOUT SEX. EXCEPT DON'T BE
HAVING IT OR DON'T BE GETTING

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ANYBODY PREGNANT. RIGHT. THIS
IS THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS.

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>> A LOT OF PEOPLE DID THAT.
>> THAT WAS KIND OF THE VIBE.

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AND I'M 40. I'M GETTING READY
TO TURN 48. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE

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GOING BACK 70S, 80S. I WAS BORN
IN 77, RAISED IN THE 80S. AND

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THEN I GOT I GOT SAVED, WE GOT
SPIRIT-FILLED, WE GOT MARRIED,

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MARRIED IN 2000. I STARTED
LOOKING AT MARRIAGE RESOURCES,

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AND IT FELT LIKE A LOT OF THEM
WERE ALL FROM A FEMALE

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PERSPECTIVE ON HOW TO
HOUSEBREAK A MAN. SOMETIMES IT

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FELT LIKE HOW TO EMASCULATE A
MAN. YEAH, RIGHT. SO I DIDN'T

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FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A GOOD
BALANCE OF BOTH MALE AND FEMALE

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LEADERSHIP. I'M A PRO FEMALE.
I'M MARRIED TO A FEMALE

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PREACHER, GOT TWO DAUGHTERS.
HOPE THEY'RE PRESIDENT OF THE

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UNITED STATES BECAUSE I WANT TO
FLY ON AIR FORCE ONE. I'M ALL.

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I'M ALL FOR THE GIRL.
>> NOBODY'S GETTING ABUSED IN

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THIS HOUSE.
>> NOBODY'S. EVERYBODY'S.

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EVERYBODY'S STANDING THEIR
GROUND. RIGHT. BUT THERE NEEDS

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TO BE A RETURN TO BIBLICAL
MASCULINITY, MANHOOD, BEING A

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FATHER AND BEING A HUSBAND. AND
THOSE VOICES NEED TO COME FORTH

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CLEAR AND NOT THROUGH THIS. I
DON'T KNOW, BEIGE KIND OF

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CHURCHIANITY WEAK MALE
LEADERSHIP PATTERN. RIGHT. SO

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SO THAT WAS A BIG PART FOR US
TO BOTH THE MALE AND THE FEMALE

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PERSPECTIVE. I THINK FOR ME,
TEACH LIKE THAT.

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>> FROM SOME SOMEWHERE HEALTHY,
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, WE REALLY

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DID LIKE EACH OTHER AND YET WE
STILL HAD MARRIAGE STRUGGLES,

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YOU KNOW. AND WE HAD TO WORK
THOSE OUT. EVERYBODY DOES. AND

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WE WERE LEARNING. BUT IT WAS IT
TOOK US A LOT LONGER SOMETIMES

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TO PROCESS AND LEARN BECAUSE WE
COULDN'T FIND IT. IT WAS LIKE A

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VOICE. I WAS LIKE, WELL, I
DON'T FEEL MISTREATED. I'M JUST

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MARRIED. AND FOR HIM, YOU KNOW,
IT WASN'T THIS SEVERE TRAUMA,

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BUT BUT REAL LIFE PARENTS THAT
ARE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH

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RAISING THEIR KIDS EVERY DAY
AND HAVE A MARRIAGE. AND SO FOR

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BOTH VOICES GETTING TO BE HEARD
US, THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT

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AND BOTH VOICES BEING HEALTHY
AND STRONG, NOT ONE BEING

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LESSER THAN THE OTHER.
>> I WANT TO.

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>> ASK WORKING TOGETHER, COMING
INTO ALIGNMENT AND BEING ON THE

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SAME TEAM.
>> THAT'S THE WORD SAME TEAM.

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>> SAME TEAM.
>> IF YOU SEE YOURSELF ON THE

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SAME TEAM, YOUR MARRIAGE WORKS.
IF YOU SEE YOURSELF AS

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OPPONENTS FOR LINING UP FOR
BATTLE, I'M OFFENSE YOUR

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DEFENSE, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T MAKE
A MARRIAGE WORK.

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>> WE JUST LOOK AT EACH OTHER
AND WE SAY STRENGTH AND HONOR.

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WE KNOW THAT. THAT MEANS THAT'S
CODE FOR WE'RE ON THE SAME TEAM.

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WE'RE DOING SOME GLADIATOR. BUT
I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION, BUT I

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WANT TO HEAR EACH OF YOUR
ANSWERS INDIVIDUALLY. BUT WAIT.

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>> I HAVE A QUESTION TOO.
>> WELL, LET ME ASK THIS BEFORE

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I FORGET IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. STRENGTH AND

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HONOR.
>> STRENGTH AND HONOR. TEAMWORK

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MAKES THE DREAM WORK.
>> SO.

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>> BRIAN, WHAT DOES IT LOOK
LIKE? WHAT ARE THE

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CHARACTERISTICS THAT A MAN OF
THE HOME SHOULD BE EMULATING AS

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THEIR AS A GOOD LEADER AND A
GOOD HUSBAND?

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>> YEAH, I THINK WE NEED THE
MEN IN THE BODY OF CHRIST

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BAPTIZED IN THE SPIRIT OF A MAN
AGAIN, RIGHT? A MAN IS FIRST

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AND FOREMOST. HE'S A PROVIDER,
RIGHT? HE TENDS AND KEEPS THE

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GARDEN. HE MAKES THE EARTH
BRING FORTH FRUIT. HE'S A

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PROTECTOR, RIGHT? YOU PROTECT
YOUR WIFE. YOU PROTECT YOUR

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CHILDREN. YOU CREATE A SAFE
SPACE AND A SPACE OF PROVISION

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WHERE THINGS CAN FLOURISH IN IT.
SO I THINK ABOUT IT JUST LIKE A

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GARDEN. I THINK WHAT A MAN DOES
IS HE'S A GARDENER. WHAT'S A

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GARDEN DO A GARDENER DO HE? AND
THINK ABOUT THIS JESUS, THE

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ONLY OCCUPATION JESUS WAS EVER
CONFUSED FOR WAS A GARDENER IN

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THE RESURRECTION. WHEN HE'S
RESURRECTED, THEY THINK HE'S A

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GARDENER. YEAH, RIGHT. ARE YOU
THE GARDENER? NO. HE'S THE.

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HE'S THE SON OF GOD, RIGHT. BUT
HE IS A GARDENER. YEAH, BECAUSE

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HE PLANTS A GARDEN EAST OF EDEN.
RIGHT. SO WHAT DOES WHAT DOES A

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GARDENER DO?
>> HE ALWAYS USED PLANT

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METAPHORS FOR TEACHING. YEAH,
YEAH.

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>> YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S ALL THERE
IN THE BIBLE. IT WORKS. RIGHT?

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JESUS TALKS ABOUT THE VINE. HE
TALKS ABOUT WHEAT AND TARES.

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IT'S ALL THIS STUFF. HE'S A
GARDENER. GOD, MORE THAN HE

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RIGHT? WE WANT THINGS. POOFED.
POOFS THINGS. HE PLANTS THINGS,

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GOD PLANTS THINGS. YOU WANT A
GOOD MARRIAGE? YOU GOT A PLANT,

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YOU GOT A TENT. YOU GOTTA GOTTA
WATER IT. SO I THINK A GARDENER

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OR A MAN OR A FATHER, HE PLANTS
SEEDS. HOW DO YOU GET A SON?

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HOW DO YOU GET A DAUGHTER? YOU
SOW A SEED, RIGHT? AND THEN

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IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST SEW
THAT SEED, RIGHT? BECAUSE

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THERE'S A LOT OF IDIOTS SOWING
SEEDS. BUT THEY'RE NOT RAISING

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CHILDREN. YOU SOW A SEED, THEN
YOU GOT TO WATER THAT SEED. TEN

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THAT SEED. THEN YOU HAVE TO
KILL THE SNAKES. WHEN DID ADAM

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MESS THIS WORLD UP? HE DIDN'T
KILL THE SNAKE, RIGHT? HE

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ENTERTAINED THE SNAKE. HE
SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLING. SO I

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THINK AS A MAN, YOU PLANT THAT
SEED, YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT

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SEED, AND THEN YOU KILL THE
THREATS THAT COME AGAINST YOUR

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FAMILY IN YOUR MARRIAGE, AND
THEN YOU WIN.

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>> THAT'S SO GOOD.
>> AND THEN, JESSE, WHAT, IN

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YOUR OPINION, IS THE WOMAN'S
ROLE IN ITS FULLNESS IN THE

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PROVERBS 31? YOU KNOW, I READ
THAT OVER REBECCA ON SHABBAT.

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YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF
THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S SO DEEP

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AND THERE'S SO MUCH TO IT. YEAH.
BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, DAY

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AND AGE, WHAT IS THE WOMAN'S
ROLE?

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>> I THINK, TO ENCOURAGE WOMEN
THAT THE PROVERBS 31, YOU KNOW,

00:10:39.433 --> 00:10:43.034
IT'S OVER A LIFETIME SPAN. I
DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT

00:10:43.134 --> 00:10:45.367
EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, IN YOU
ALL AT ONE TIME NECESSARILY,

00:10:45.467 --> 00:10:48.267
YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS THAT WE
STRIVE FOR, THEY DON'T ALWAYS

00:10:48.367 --> 00:10:51.300
STRIKE ON THE SAME DAY, YOU
KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S ALL THERE IN

00:10:51.400 --> 00:10:56.233
A LIST. WE KIND OF FEEL THIS
OVERWHELMING BURDEN TO HAVE IT

00:10:56.333 --> 00:11:00.033
ALL PRESENT ALL THE TIME. AND I
THINK THE WOMEN ARE REALLY THEY

00:11:00.133 --> 00:11:06.200
CRITIQUE THEMSELVES CONSTANTLY
TRYING TO FIX. THE MORE SOCIAL

00:11:06.300 --> 00:11:11.134
MEDIA INVADES OUR SPACE, MOMS
AND WIVES ARE OVERWHELMED BY AN

00:11:11.234 --> 00:11:16.067
ANXIETY TO FULFILL WHAT THE
WORLD SEES THAT THEY NEED TO BE.

00:11:16.167 --> 00:11:21.066
SO WHEN I'M WHEN I LOOK AT IT,
I SAY, GOD, YOU HAD ME MARRY

00:11:21.166 --> 00:11:24.067
BRIAN. I DIDN'T MARRY JOHN
SMITH FROM DOWN THE STREET. I

00:11:24.167 --> 00:11:27.334
DIDN'T MARRY LARRY FROM ACROSS
THE STREET. THOSE ARE NOT MY

00:11:27.434 --> 00:11:31.067
HUSBANDS. YOU. YOU HAD ME MARRY
BRIAN. AND IF YOU'LL GIVE ME

00:11:31.167 --> 00:11:34.400
THE WISDOM AND THE HELP FROM
HEAVEN TO BE THE BEST WIFE TO

00:11:34.500 --> 00:11:38.133
BRIAN THAT I CAN BE, THAT MEANS
THAT I HAVE TO LEARN MY TEAM.

00:11:38.233 --> 00:11:41.334
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM
CULTURE. AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS

00:11:41.434 --> 00:11:43.367
IN THE BOOK. IT SOUNDED LIKE
YOU HAD READ THE BOOK WHEN YOU

00:11:43.467 --> 00:11:46.100
SAID THE TEAMWORK, BECAUSE WE
TALK ABOUT BUILDING A FAMILY

00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:49.200
CULTURE. THAT IS YOUR FAMILY
CULTURE, NOT YOUR PARENTS

00:11:49.300 --> 00:11:53.100
FAMILY CULTURE, NOT HIS PARENTS
FAMILY CULTURE. I'M NOT I AM

00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:57.133
NOT REQUIRED TO ANSWER TO GOD
ONE DAY FOR HOW SHE WAS YOUR

00:11:57.233 --> 00:12:00.300
WIFE. I'M. I'M WILL BE REQUIRED
TO ANSWER TO THE LORD FOR HOW I

00:12:00.400 --> 00:12:04.300
AM HIS WIFE. AND THAT MEANS
FINDING OUT WHAT BRIAN NEEDS

00:12:04.400 --> 00:12:07.400
FROM ME THAT MAYBE DOES NOT
MATCH UP WITH WHAT MY FATHER

00:12:07.500 --> 00:12:09.434
NEEDED FROM MY MOTHER, OR WHAT
HIS FATHER NEEDED FROM HIS

00:12:09.534 --> 00:12:13.333
MOTHER, AND YET STILL
SCRIPTURALLY BASED. OBVIOUSLY,

00:12:13.433 --> 00:12:16.133
WE WANT TO BE THOSE THINGS. BE
A WOMAN OF GOD. BE A WOMAN OF

00:12:16.233 --> 00:12:18.334
PRAYER, BE A HARD WORKER. I
THINK SOMETIMES WOMEN THINK

00:12:18.434 --> 00:12:22.200
THEY EITHER HAVE TO WORK
OUTSIDE THE HOME, OR THEY HAVE

00:12:22.300 --> 00:12:25.133
TO BE A STAY AT HOME MOM. WELL,
THE PROVERBS 31 WOMAN WAS ALL

00:12:25.233 --> 00:12:27.333
OF THOSE THINGS WRAPPED UP INTO
ONE IN DIFFERENT SEASONS. SHE

00:12:27.433 --> 00:12:31.167
WAS DOING DIFFERENT THINGS IN
DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY. SHE

00:12:31.267 --> 00:12:34.267
WAS UP BEFORE THE SUN CAME UP.
SHE STAYED UP AND TOOK CARE OF

00:12:34.367 --> 00:12:37.367
HER FAMILY. SHE ALL OF THESE
THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE WE

00:12:37.467 --> 00:12:42.200
WANT TO JUDGE OURSELVES BY THE
WORLD'S STANDARD. AND I REALLY

00:12:42.300 --> 00:12:46.534
WOMEN TO COME BACK INTO LIKE, I
BELIEVE THAT IT'S TIME FOR

00:12:46.634 --> 00:12:49.534
AM ANTI-FEMINISM. AND PEOPLE
THINK THAT THAT IS INSANE

00:12:49.634 --> 00:12:52.334
BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT ME AND
THEY GO, YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT

00:12:52.434 --> 00:12:56.234
WOMAN, THAT YOUR HUSBAND LET
YOU DO ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT

00:12:56.334 --> 00:13:00.267
TO DO. I PREACH ALL OVER THE
WORLD. I GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THE

00:13:00.367 --> 00:13:05.233
DARKEST AND UNDERGROUND CHURCH
WORLDS, AND HE SENDS ME AND I

00:13:05.333 --> 00:13:08.234
GO NOT BY MYSELF WITH A TEAM,
BUT IT'S NOT LIKE HE HAS TO BE

00:13:08.334 --> 00:13:10.500
THERE. HE I'VE GONE ALL OVER
THE WORLD AND DONE WHATEVER I

00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.466
WANTED TO DO, BEEN IN DANGEROUS
PLACES, PREACH THE GOSPEL ALL

00:13:13.566 --> 00:13:16.533
OVER THE EARTH, RAISED MY KIDS,
DONE ALL OF THIS WITH HIS

00:13:16.633 --> 00:13:20.300
BACKING BECAUSE HE IS CONFIDENT
IN WHO HE IS. HE'S NEVER SAID

00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:23.334
TO ME, JESSE, I DON'T THINK YOU
KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

00:13:23.434 --> 00:13:26.300
HE'S ALWAYS JUST RELEASED ME TO
DO WHATEVER WAS IN MY HEART.

00:13:26.400 --> 00:13:29.367
AND YET, I FEEL MORE THAN EVER
THAT THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT TOOK

00:13:29.467 --> 00:13:33.234
SOMETHING FROM US. I MEAN, IT
REALLY, IT ABORTED THE DREAM OF

00:13:33.334 --> 00:13:37.267
GOD IN WOMEN'S HEARTS AND TOLD
THEM, YOU CAN BURN YOUR BRA.

00:13:37.367 --> 00:13:40.467
WHAT IF I DON'T WANT TO BURN MY
BRA? WHAT IF I'M WHAT IF I WANT

00:13:40.567 --> 00:13:43.434
TO TO BE ALL THAT GOD'S CALLED
ME TO BE? NOT WHAT YOU WANT ME

00:13:43.534 --> 00:13:46.366
TO BE. AND THESE, THESE AND
ESPECIALLY WOMEN HAVE BEEN HARD

00:13:46.466 --> 00:13:50.267
ON WOMEN SAYING, YOU HAVE TO
BELIEVE THIS. YOU HAVE TO BE

00:13:50.367 --> 00:13:52.466
THIS. YOU HAVE TO COME TO THIS.
AND IT'S LIKE, NO, I DON'T WANT

00:13:52.566 --> 00:13:55.433
ANY OF THOSE THINGS. THAT
GENERATION THAT CAME BEFORE ME.

00:13:55.533 --> 00:13:58.400
I WANT TO BE DIFFERENT THAN
THAT. I WANT MY CHILDREN TO

00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:02.434
REMEMBER HOW I COOK. I WANT
THEM TO REMEMBER HOW I SMELL. I

00:14:02.534 --> 00:14:06.434
WANT THEM TO BE WITH ME. I WANT
TO HAVE KIDS. I WANT TO BE A

00:14:06.534 --> 00:14:09.600
WIFE TO HIM. I WANT WHEN HE
DIES. I SHOULD SAY WHEN I DIE,

00:14:09.700 --> 00:14:12.434
I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL OUTLIVE
EACH OTHER. BUT WHEN. BRIAN.

00:14:12.534 --> 00:14:15.300
>> I THINK YOU'LL BEBE.
>> YOU THINK SO? OKAY, WE'RE

00:14:15.400 --> 00:14:17.333
GOING TO GO WITH THAT.
>> I LOOK LIKE SANTA CLAUS.

00:14:17.433 --> 00:14:20.567
LOOK AT YOU. I THINK YOU'RE
GOING LONGER.

00:14:20.667 --> 00:14:22.534
>> OH, MY. I HOPE WE JUST DIE
AT THE SAME TIME. LIKE THE NOTE

00:14:22.634 --> 00:14:25.334
OR WHATEVER.
>> YEAH, YEAH, I JUST, LIKE

00:14:25.434 --> 00:14:26.933
INSTANTANEOUS. ABSOLUTELY. LIKE,
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO.

00:14:27.033 --> 00:14:29.534
>> THAT PEACEFULLY IN YOUR
SLEEP.

00:14:29.634 --> 00:14:33.433
>> YES. IT'S PERFECT. FLYING
OVER NICHOLAS. SPARKS ALL THE

00:14:33.533 --> 00:14:37.400
DREAMS. SO WHATEVER.
WE DIE. IF BRIAN, YOU KNOW,

00:14:37.500 --> 00:14:41.333
IF I DIED BEFORE HIM, I WOULD
JUST WANT HIM TO SAY, LIKE SHE

00:14:41.433 --> 00:14:45.333
WAS A GOOD WIFE TO ME. NOT A
PERFECT WOMAN. NOT LIKE THAT

00:14:45.433 --> 00:14:48.433
WOULD BE. THE DREAM OF MY HEART.
IS THAT I WAS A GOOD MOM TO MY

00:14:48.533 --> 00:14:50.700
KIDS AND A GOOD WIFE TO HIM.
AND I REALIZED WHEN WE WERE

00:14:50.800 --> 00:14:53.333
FIRST MARRIED, I WOULD BE DOING
ALL THESE THINGS, REALLY

00:14:53.433 --> 00:14:56.433
WORKING HARD AND LIKE, SUPER
FRUSTRATED AND LIKE GETTING

00:14:56.533 --> 00:14:59.500
BITTERNESS IN MY HEART TOWARDS
BRIAN. AND HE WOULD JUST LIKE

00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.400
GO TO THE GOLF COURSE AND LIKE,
DIDN'T EVEN CARE. IT WAS LIKE

00:15:02.500 --> 00:15:05.467
OUR ONLY DAY OFF. WE'RE
PLANNING A CHURCH. I'M WORKING

00:15:05.567 --> 00:15:08.366
80 HOURS, 90 HOURS A WEEK, AND
I'M JUST DYING OVER HERE. AND

00:15:08.466 --> 00:15:10.667
THIS DUDE JUST WALKS OUT TO THE
GOLF COURSE LIKE NOTHING'S

00:15:10.767 --> 00:15:13.534
HAPPENING. I'M LIKE, WE STILL
HAVE TO CLEAN THE WHOLE HOUSE.

00:15:13.634 --> 00:15:16.467
LIKE IN MY HOUSE. EVERYBODY
CLEANED THE HOUSE ON SATURDAY.

00:15:16.567 --> 00:15:19.500
WE STAYED THERE, GOT IT DONE.
LIKE THAT WAS OUR WORLD. AND

00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:23.400
BRIAN'S HOUSE. THEY HAD A LADY
THAT CAME IN AND DID ALL OF

00:15:23.500 --> 00:15:25.400
THAT WHILE HIS MOTHER WORKED IN
AN OFFICE. SO IN THEIR OFFICE,

00:15:25.500 --> 00:15:27.500
TAKING CARE OF ALL THE BOOKS OF
THEIR CATTLE BROKERAGE.

00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.400
>> MOM RAN FINANCES. ALL OF US
WORKED AROUND.

00:15:29.500 --> 00:15:31.700
>> SHE WAS.
>> A BUSINESSWOMAN LIKE.

00:15:31.800 --> 00:15:34.567
>> HE NEVER WAS DONE.
>> HE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

00:15:34.667 --> 00:15:37.366
>> SO YOU'RE HITTING ON A
REALLY IMPORTANT TOPIC IS WHEN

00:15:37.466 --> 00:15:39.600
YOU GET WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THIS
CONVERSATION WHEN YOU ARE

00:15:39.700 --> 00:15:42.400
RAISED TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. YES,
THAT IS A HARD THING TO

00:15:42.500 --> 00:15:45.567
NAVIGATE.
>> I WAS SO ANGRY WITH HIM FOR

00:15:45.667 --> 00:15:48.534
SO LONG. AND THEN HE LOOKS AT
ME ONE DAY AND HE'S LIKE, WHAT

00:15:48.634 --> 00:15:51.467
ARE YOU DOING TODAY? I'M LIKE,
WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M DOING

00:15:51.567 --> 00:15:54.466
TODAY? I'M CLEANING THE HOUSE.
HE'S LIKE, WHY ARE YOU DOING

00:15:54.566 --> 00:15:57.367
THAT? DO YOU LIKE THAT? I'M
LIKE, DO I LIKE CLEANING THE

00:15:57.467 --> 00:16:00.500
HOUSE? I WAS BLOWN AWAY. HE
LITERALLY THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE

00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:02.733
THE JOY OF MY LIFE, AND HE WAS
JUST GOING TO DO THE.

00:16:02.833 --> 00:16:05.567
>> JOY OF HIS LIFE. I WAS GOING
TO GOLF.

00:16:05.667 --> 00:16:07.800
>> HE LOVES CLEANING.
>> HE LOVES CLEAN DISHES. YES.

00:16:07.900 --> 00:16:10.667
IT'S NOT. HERE'S SOME EXTRA
ONES. YEAH, JOY. SHE'S LOVING

00:16:10.767 --> 00:16:13.433
IT. HERE'S MY LAUNDRY.
>> SO I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU

00:16:13.533 --> 00:16:16.534
TALKING ABOUT? LIKE I'M
MISERABLE. YOU'RE GOING OUT TO

00:16:16.634 --> 00:16:19.633
HAVE FUN. AND HE'S LIKE, OH,
HON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

00:16:19.733 --> 00:16:23.433
HE'S LIKE, WE COULD SKIP GOING
OUT TO EAT ONE TIME THIS WEEK,

00:16:23.533 --> 00:16:26.434
AND WE COULD HAVE SOMEONE COME
IN AND DO THAT FOR YOU. AND I

00:16:26.534 --> 00:16:29.433
WAS LIKE, REALLY? I'D NEVER
HEARD OF SUCH A THING. LIKE, TO

00:16:29.533 --> 00:16:32.433
ME, THAT WAS JUST A CONCEPT
THAT WASN'T LIKE PART OF MY

00:16:32.533 --> 00:16:34.700
WORLD. AND SO WHENEVER HE SAID
THAT, I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET'S

00:16:34.800 --> 00:16:37.700
DO THAT THEN. YOU MEAN I CAN GO
SHOPPING.

00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:40.667
>> OR DO SOMETHING FUN.
>> YOU KNOW? AND HE SAID, YEAH,

00:16:40.767 --> 00:16:42.300
YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
TAKE A NAP. I DON'T CARE WHAT

00:16:42.400 --> 00:16:43.566
YOU DO. SO WE CAME TO THAT
AGREEMENT AND THAT WAS MY FIRST

00:16:43.666 --> 00:16:44.900
REALIZATION OF LIKE, WAIT A
SECOND, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS

00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:46.266
GOOD FOR MY MOM AND DAD OR HIS
MOM AND DAD DOES NOT MEAN THAT

00:16:46.366 --> 00:16:47.000
IT'S GOOD FOR US. AND WE REALLY.
AND THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE, BASIC

00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:48.700
CONCEPT.
>> THAT'S SO GOOD.

00:16:48.800 --> 00:16:51.700
>> I DON'T THINK PEOPLE TAKE
THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, YOU

00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:54.700
KNOW, AND AND THAT BROUGHT SO
MUCH JOY. IT SQUELCHED

00:16:54.800 --> 00:16:58.700
BITTERNESS IN ME, THE
COMMUNICATION OF THAT SUBJECT

00:16:58.800 --> 00:17:01.767
ALONE BROUGHT SO MUCH PEACE TO
OUR HOUSE. AND I, AND I THINK

00:17:01.867 --> 00:17:05.667
IT CHANGED. SO AT THAT POINT I
STARTED THINKING, I JUST NEED

00:17:05.767 --> 00:17:07.633
TO BE HIS WIFE. I DON'T NEED TO
BE MY FRIEND SALLY'S HUSBAND'S

00:17:07.733 --> 00:17:12.500
WIFE, I.
>> TO BE LIKE HER.

00:17:12.600 --> 00:17:15.534
>> NO, I JUST HAVE TO BE JESSE.
AND AS LONG AS HE AND I ARE

00:17:15.634 --> 00:17:18.667
HAPPY WITH EACH OTHER AND WE'VE
COMMUNICATED AND WE'RE ON PAR,

00:17:18.767 --> 00:17:21.500
THEN THE WORLD IS GOOD.
>> YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE BIBLE

00:17:21.600 --> 00:17:23.734
SAID LIKE THIS. LEAVING IN
CLEVELAND, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING

00:17:23.834 --> 00:17:27.667
TO LEAVE YOUR MOTHER, FATHER
CLEVELAND TO YOUR WIFE, AND THE

00:17:27.767 --> 00:17:30.666
TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. SO,
LIKE WE GOT MARRIED, I REMEMBER

00:17:30.766 --> 00:17:34.567
HER FAMILY. MY FAMILY WAS LIKE,
NOT COMMUNICATE. WE DIDN'T

00:17:34.667 --> 00:17:36.934
COMMUNICATE AT ALL, RIGHT? MY
MY MOTHER WOULD SERVE AS THE

00:17:37.034 --> 00:17:40.667
HOLY SPIRIT FOR MY FATHER. MY
FATHER WOULD WANT SOMETHING

00:17:40.767 --> 00:17:43.634
DONE. TELL MY MOTHER IN PRIVATE,
AND THEN MY MOTHER WOULD COME

00:17:43.734 --> 00:17:45.700
TELL YOU WHAT MY FATHER WANTED
DONE. YOUR DAD DOES THIS OR

00:17:45.800 --> 00:17:48.700
THAT, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T
COMMUNICATE. JESSE'S FAMILY HAD,

00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:51.533
LIKE, FAMILY MEETINGS WHERE
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FAMILY

00:17:51.633 --> 00:17:53.567
MEETING. THEY CAME AND CALLED.
TYPICALLY, IT WAS A STRAIGHTEN

00:17:53.667 --> 00:17:55.567
YOU OUT. AND SO WHEN WE GOT
ENGAGED.

00:17:55.667 --> 00:17:57.800
>> IT WASN'T SO PLEASANT.
>> IT WOULDN'T.

00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:00.633
>> BE PLEASANT.
>> IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY CALLED.

00:18:00.733 --> 00:18:02.900
>> IT WAS JUST LIKE A WEEKLY.
>> SHE WAS SO EXCITED. NO.

00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:04.800
>> YEAH. NO.
>> IT WAS SWEET. LIKE LIKE

00:18:04.900 --> 00:18:06.600
YOU'RE THINKING.
>> CHECK IN. THAT WOULD BE SO

00:18:06.700 --> 00:18:09.700
SWEET.
>> LOVE A WEEK.

00:18:09.800 --> 00:18:12.900
>> OH, I LOVE A WEEKLY CHECK IN.
>> OF COURSE YOU WERE.

00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:13.800
>> THIS WAS LIKE A WEEKLY, I
DON'T KNOW, STRAIGHT.

00:18:13.900 --> 00:18:16.634
>> STRAIGHTEN UP. YEAH. SO.
>> LIKE.

00:18:16.734 --> 00:18:18.600
>> WHEN WE WERE ENGAGED WEEKLY.
>> DON'T, DON'T KNOW.

00:18:18.700 --> 00:18:21.733
>> IT WOULD BE LIKE MONTHLY.
>> YEAH.

00:18:21.833 --> 00:18:24.833
>> SO WHEN, WHEN WE GOT ENGAGED,
I HAD TO PLAY THE GAME TO GET

00:18:24.933 --> 00:18:28.700
THE GIRL RIGHT. I'M NOT DUMB.
SO THEY CALL A FAMILY MEETING.

00:18:28.800 --> 00:18:31.734
I'M ENGAGED. SO NOW I GOT TO
COME, AND I WOULD SIT THERE AND

00:18:31.834 --> 00:18:34.900
I'D BE NICE, AND SOME OF THE
STUFF WOULD BE GOOD. AND SOME

00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:36.766
OF THE STUFF I'M LIKE, THIS IS,
THIS IS INSANE. YOU KNOW, I'M

00:18:36.866 --> 00:18:39.200
JUST THINKING BECAUSE I'M GOING
TO HAVE.

00:18:39.300 --> 00:18:40.600
>> A DIFFERENT.
>> EVERYBODY'S FAMILY HAS BAD

00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:41.867
STUFF.
>> YOU KNOW. EVERYBODY'S FAMILY

00:18:41.967 --> 00:18:44.600
IS UGLY.
>> NOBODY'S PERFECT. SO I

00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:46.833
REMEMBER WE GOT MARRIED AND
SOMETHING HAPPENED AND THEY

00:18:46.933 --> 00:18:49.767
CALLED A FAMILY MEETING. WE'RE
NEWLY MARRIED. YOU KNOW, NEWLY

00:18:49.867 --> 00:18:53.733
MARRIED GUYS CAN START TRYING
TO DRAW LINES IN THE SAND. AND

00:18:53.833 --> 00:18:56.767
YOU CAN YOU GOT TO DO IT, BUT
YOU CAN DO IT THE WRONG WAY OR

00:18:56.867 --> 00:18:58.634
THE RIGHT WAY. RIGHT? THIS IS
OUR FAMILY NOW. SO THEY CALL

00:18:58.734 --> 00:18:59.867
THE FAMILY MEETING.
>> I TOTALLY.

00:18:59.967 --> 00:19:03.767
>> DID IT.
>> THE WRONG WAY.

00:19:03.867 --> 00:19:05.733
>> I DID IT THE WRONG WAY. BUT
BUT THIS IS THE CONCEPT. I'M

00:19:05.833 --> 00:19:07.100
LIKE FAMILY MEETING. WHAT
FAMILY? AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE

00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:08.466
HAVING A FAMILY. AND I'M LIKE,
NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE'RE

00:19:08.566 --> 00:19:09.833
MARRIED NOW. THIS IS MY FAMILY,
RIGHT? WE'RE STILL AN EXTENSION.

00:19:09.933 --> 00:19:12.000
WE HONOR AND RESPECT YOU, BUT
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THAT.

00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:15.967
AND IT WAS JUST A BIT.
>> TRUE AND BIBLICAL.

00:19:16.067 --> 00:19:18.733
>> IT IS BIBLICAL. AND AT THAT
POINT, OUR FAMILY CULTURE WAS A

00:19:18.833 --> 00:19:22.900
LITTLE UNHEALTHY. YEAH, RIGHT.
IT WAS UNHEALTHY. AND WE WERE

00:19:23.733 --> 00:19:26.734
LEARNING. WE GOT TO NOT DO IT.
MY FAMILY'S WAY. HER FAMILY'S

00:19:26.834 --> 00:19:30.634
WAY. YOU GOT TO DO IT OUR WAY.
RIGHT? LIKE THE OLD SONG. SO

00:19:30.734 --> 00:19:33.733
THERE'S A POWER IN THAT FINDING
WHO YOU ARE. AND THAT PUTS YOU

00:19:33.833 --> 00:19:35.966
ON THE SAME TEAM. AND THEN WHEN
YOU GET ON THE SAME TEAM,

00:19:36.066 --> 00:19:38.800
INSTEAD OF US AGAINST EACH
OTHER, IT'S US AGAINST WHATEVER

00:19:38.900 --> 00:19:42.633
THE WORLD IS THROWING AT US,
AND THEN WE CAN WIN.

00:19:42.733 --> 00:19:45.767
>> HE ASKED, LIKE AS A WOMAN IN
THE HOUSE, LIKE WHAT? I THINK

00:19:45.867 --> 00:19:49.633
WOMEN. AND THAT IS WHAT I MEANT
BY THAT WAS JUST LIKE, IF HE'S

00:19:49.733 --> 00:19:52.700
HAPPY, THEN I'M BEING A GOOD,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF HE'S

00:19:52.800 --> 00:19:54.967
HAPPY WITH ME, THEN I'M BEING A
GOOD WIFE, LIKE, AND IF AND

00:19:55.067 --> 00:19:56.633
WE'RE A.
>> REALLY SIMPLE I ACTUALLY

00:19:56.733 --> 00:19:59.667
LIKE THAT YOU'RE SIMPLIFYING IT.
YEAH.

00:19:59.767 --> 00:20:02.667
>> I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
EVERYTHING IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

00:20:02.767 --> 00:20:05.633
I JUST HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR
WORLD. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT

00:20:05.733 --> 00:20:08.600
THAT POINT WE COULD WORK ON
OTHER THINGS. BUT I THINK IT

00:20:08.700 --> 00:20:11.734
MATTERS THAT WE LOVE EACH OTHER
BECAUSE IT DOES REMIND YOU,

00:20:11.834 --> 00:20:14.800
LIKE, IF I'M ONLY TRYING TO
MAKE THE ONLY PERSON I'M TRYING

00:20:14.900 --> 00:20:18.700
TO PLEASE A MARRIAGE IS BRIAN
AND JESUS, AND IF THAT'S IT,

00:20:18.800 --> 00:20:21.566
THEN I ONLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
HIM. AND THAT MAKES US A TEAM.

00:20:21.666 --> 00:20:24.667
AND THEN WHEN WE GO OFF AND
HAVE DINNER TOGETHER, WE'RE

00:20:24.767 --> 00:20:28.600
WE'RE PLAYING NOW. WE'RE
ESCAPING FROM THE KIDS. THIS IS

00:20:28.700 --> 00:20:32.733
OUR FUN TIME. WE'RE NOW FRIENDS.
AND LIKE, THAT MAKES BETTER

00:20:32.833 --> 00:20:36.634
LOVERS. THAT MAKES BETTER. YOU
KNOW, PARTNERS, THAT MAKES

00:20:36.734 --> 00:20:40.634
BETTER PARENTS. AND OUR KIDS
REAP THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT

00:20:40.734 --> 00:20:42.900
JOY IN OUR MARRIAGE. WE'RE LIKE,
NOW IF WE START FUSSING WITH

00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.967
EACH OTHER, WHICH WE'RE BOTH
VERY DIRECT AND LIKE, I'LL TELL

00:20:45.067 --> 00:20:47.667
HIM, LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
AND HE'S.

00:20:47.767 --> 00:20:48.800
>> LIKE EITHER. NO.
>> I MEAN, WE'RE VERY.

00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:52.634
>> LIKE PUTTING.
>> UP WITH.

00:20:52.734 --> 00:20:55.634
>> IT OVER THE TOP. AND OUR
KIDS ARE LIKE, OH, MOM AND DAD

00:20:55.734 --> 00:20:56.966
NEED TO GO ON A DATE.
>> YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY AND

00:20:57.066 --> 00:20:59.766
THEY'RE TEENAGERS.
>> NOW, BUT THEY'RE LIKE,

00:20:59.866 --> 00:21:02.800
PLEASE, YOU GUYS GO TO DINNER
LIKE THEY DON'T NEED A

00:21:02.900 --> 00:21:04.900
BABYSITTER ANYMORE, YOU KNOW?
AND WE CAN GO ANYTIME WE WANT.

00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.700
BUT THEY'RE CUTE BECAUSE THEY
UNDERSTAND THAT, LIKE, THIS

00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:09.900
MAKES THE WHOLE THE WHOLE
FAMILY HEALTHY. BUT IF YOU

00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.700
DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU'RE JUST
PLEASING THEM AND YOU'RE TRYING

00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:14.666
TO PLEASE THE WHOLE WORLD,
YOU'RE A MISERABLE SOUL. AND I

00:21:14.766 --> 00:21:17.734
THINK WOMEN ARE MISERABLE ALL
OVER AMERICA.

00:21:17.834 --> 00:21:20.834
>> OH, TOTALLY. I FELT LIKE
THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD THING TO

00:21:20.934 --> 00:21:23.800
SAY, BECAUSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
THERE IS SO MUCH TALK ABOUT

00:21:23.900 --> 00:21:26.734
WHAT A MOM SHOULD BE, WHAT A
MOTHER SHOULD BE. AND IT'S JUST

00:21:26.834 --> 00:21:28.966
IT, IT IT STRESSES YOU OUT.
YEAH, IT INSTILLS FEAR AND IT

00:21:29.066 --> 00:21:30.933
DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING.
>> SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE

00:21:31.033 --> 00:21:33.000
SAYING.
>> OH MY GOSH. THERE'S A WHOLE

00:21:33.100 --> 00:21:36.034
MOVEMENT LIKE CALLED THE
TRADWIFE MOVEMENT WHERE IT'S

00:21:36.134 --> 00:21:37.967
LIKE, SHE NEEDS TO MAKE
EVERYTHING FROM SCRATCH AND SHE

00:21:38.067 --> 00:21:39.967
NEEDS TO NEVER WEAR PANTS. IT'S
LIKE CRAZY. AND I.

00:21:40.767 --> 00:21:42.033
>> KNOW PRESSURE, LIKE NO
PRESSURE.

00:21:42.133 --> 00:21:45.000
>> YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO
HOMESCHOOL YOUR CHILDREN. AND

00:21:45.100 --> 00:21:47.800
IT'S NOT THAT THOSE THINGS ARE
BAD. IT'S JUST SAYING THAT IT'S

00:21:47.900 --> 00:21:50.666
LIKE, I THINK THERE'S SUCH
WISDOM. AND GOD ACTUALLY KIND

00:21:50.766 --> 00:21:52.934
OF SHOWED ME JONATHAN. GOD
ACTUALLY SHOWED ME WHEN I HAD

00:21:53.034 --> 00:21:55.733
ASHER, BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO SO
MUCH ADVICE ABOUT PARENTING. HE

00:21:55.833 --> 00:21:57.866
SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY, WELL,

00:21:57.966 --> 00:22:01.800
YOU SHOULDN'T. YOU KNOW,
YOU NEED TO BE A STAY AT

00:22:01.900 --> 00:22:04.200
HOME MOM OR YOU NEED TO DO
THIS. YOU NEED TO DO THAT.

00:22:04.300 --> 00:22:06.966
YOU NEED TO PUT THEM IN
THIS TYPE OF SCHOOL, AND

00:22:07.800 --> 00:22:09.000
YOU NEED TO DISCIPLINE THEM
THIS WAY. AND I REMEMBER

00:22:09.100 --> 00:22:12.733
THE CONVICTION THAT GOD
GAVE ME WHEN HE WAS FIRST

00:22:12.833 --> 00:22:15.767
BORN IS YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO
ME FOR HOW YOUR FAMILY, THE

00:22:15.867 --> 00:22:18.833
PATH THAT YOU GUYS ARE. THIS IS
EXACTLY WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING.

00:22:18.933 --> 00:22:21.834
HE'S LIKE, THERE IS A PLAN AND
A PURPOSE FOR YOUR FAMILY, AND

00:22:21.934 --> 00:22:24.967
IT'S WALKING A CERTAIN PATH AND
IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE

00:22:25.067 --> 00:22:27.066
EVERYONE ELSE. AND SO YOU HAVE
TO LOOK TO ME FOR HOW THINGS

00:22:27.166 --> 00:22:29.933
SHOULD BE IN YOUR HOME, NOT TO
OTHER PEOPLE.

00:22:30.033 --> 00:22:32.967
>> WELL, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
PEOPLE OF FAITH AND ALL OF

00:22:33.067 --> 00:22:35.933
THOSE THINGS. ALL THEY DO IS
BRING FEAR. LIKE FROM THE FROM

00:22:36.033 --> 00:22:38.967
THE TIME THAT YOU'RE BIRTHING A
CHILD, THEY'RE SAYING TO YOU,

00:22:39.067 --> 00:22:42.067
YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THIS.
DON'T DO THIS. YOU'RE GOING TO

00:22:42.167 --> 00:22:44.800
HURT YOUR BABY. YOU KNOW, ALL
THESE THINGS. AND I WOULD TELL

00:22:44.900 --> 00:22:47.134
BRIAN, LIKE, UNTIL.
>> I'M IN THIS WAY, SLEEP THEM

00:22:47.234 --> 00:22:48.267
THAT WAY.
>> YES. AND EVERYONE HAS A

00:22:48.367 --> 00:22:50.066
DIFFERENT OPINION. IT CHANGES
EVERY SEVEN YEARS.

00:22:50.166 --> 00:22:52.034
>> OUR KIDS SHOULDN'T BE ALIVE.
>> YEAH.

00:22:52.134 --> 00:22:55.067
>> BY ALL STANDARDS TODAY,
RIGHT? WE DID.

00:22:55.167 --> 00:22:58.800
>> IT ALL WRONG. YEAH. WE JUST.
>> DECIDED, LIKE, UNTIL WE'RE

00:22:58.900 --> 00:23:01.933
BOTH. UNTIL WE'RE BOTH IN FAITH.
LIKE, IF EITHER ONE OF US IS IN

00:23:02.033 --> 00:23:04.200
FEAR OR IN A TIZZY, WE'RE NOT
MAKING THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW.

00:23:04.300 --> 00:23:05.833
>> IT RIGHT.
RIGHT? WE'RE NOT DOING.

00:23:05.933 --> 00:23:08.167
>> NOW IN THE HOSPITALS WITH
THE VACCINES, LIKE, OH, YOU

00:23:08.267 --> 00:23:09.966
DON'T WANT TO DO THEM. YOU GOT
TO DO THEM OR THEY'RE GOING TO

00:23:10.066 --> 00:23:11.200
DIE.
>> YOU WANT YOUR KID TO HAVE

00:23:11.300 --> 00:23:12.867
WHOOPING COUGH, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.

00:23:12.967 --> 00:23:14.400
>> YOU WANT THEM BLOCK YOUR.
>> CHICKENPOX.

00:23:14.867 --> 00:23:15.500
>> AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH.
>> CERVICAL CANCER RIGHT.

00:23:15.600 --> 00:23:17.834
HEPATITIS.
>> HEPATITIS.

00:23:17.934 --> 00:23:19.067
>> I DON'T THINK THE CHILD'S
GOING TO BE A NEEDLE JUNKIE AND

00:23:19.167 --> 00:23:20.233
A PROSTITUTE.
>> YEAH, AT LEAST NOT YET.

00:23:20.333 --> 00:23:22.167
IT'LL BE.
>> ALL RIGHT, DOC.

00:23:22.267 --> 00:23:24.166
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> ALL THE ALL THE FEAR. IT'S

00:23:24.266 --> 00:23:26.800
CONTRARY TO FAITH. AND WE'RE
CALLED TO PARENT AND FAITH.

00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:29.000
WE'RE CALLED TO BE MARRIED IN
FAITH. WE'RE CALLED TO LOVE

00:23:29.100 --> 00:23:31.800
EACH OTHER. LIKE ALL THE STUFF
THAT YOU'RE LIKE. IF WE DO THIS.

00:23:31.900 --> 00:23:34.034
AND THE MORE THAT YOUR FAMILY
IS BROKEN, THE MORE THAT FEAR

00:23:34.134 --> 00:23:37.034
MOVES. LIKE, MY PARENTS DIDN'T
GET A DIVORCE TILL I WAS 30.

00:23:37.134 --> 00:23:40.867
>> NO.
>> SO AT 30, I HAD NEVER

00:23:40.967 --> 00:23:43.900
EXPERIENCED LIKE, FAMILY FEAR.
>> WHEN YOU WERE. WERE YOU LIKE,

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.967
GROWING UP THAT THEY WERE. YEAH.
HAD A TROUBLED MARRIAGE OR.

00:23:47.067 --> 00:23:49.934
>> WERE YOU ANTICIPATING IT?
>> SO I THINK I KNEW THAT THEY

00:23:50.034 --> 00:23:51.967
WEREN'T FANS OF EACH OTHER, AND
I JUST THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE

00:23:52.067 --> 00:23:53.900
THAT WAY FOREVER. YOU KNOW,
LIKE I JUST.

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.100
>> KIND OF GRUMPY.
>> THE WAY THEY ARE.

00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:58.067
>> YEAH. AND BUT.
>> BASICALLY ALL THE KIDS ARE

00:23:58.167 --> 00:23:59.867
GROWN AND GONE.
>> THAT'S HARD. YES.

00:23:59.967 --> 00:24:02.000
>> THEN THEY'RE JUST LIKE, ALL
RIGHT, WELL.

00:24:02.100 --> 00:24:02.933
>> WE DON'T. YEAH.
>> THEY GOT IT THROUGH FOR THE

00:24:03.033 --> 00:24:04.134
KIDS.
>> YEAH, YEAH.

00:24:04.234 --> 00:24:06.100
>> WHICH I.
>> APPRECIATE ALL FOR THAT.

00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:08.100
>> YEAH. PRAISE THE LORD.
>> BUT WHEN THAT.

00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:09.900
>> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE DONE.
>> WE'RE DONE WITH THIS.

00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.234
>> YEAH.
>> AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, TONS

00:24:12.334 --> 00:24:14.900
OF FEAR. TRIED TO MOVE IN ON ME.
LIKE MY MARRIAGE IS GOING TO

00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.066
BREAK LATER ON. AND LIKE, ALL
THESE PANICKY BECAUSE I'M KIND

00:24:17.166 --> 00:24:21.000
OF LIKE A HIGH STRUNG PERSON
ANYWAY. AND I WAS JUST. AND

00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:24.066
THEN I WAS LIKE, WAIT A SECOND,
LIKE, I NEED TO CALM DOWN AND

00:24:24.166 --> 00:24:27.967
REMEMBER WHO I'M MARRIED TO AND
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. BUT

00:24:28.067 --> 00:24:29.000
EVERYTHING THAT'S THE ENEMY'S
TRY RIGHT TO JUST GET IN, TO

00:24:29.100 --> 00:24:30.967
JUST SNEAK.
>> IN, TELL.

00:24:31.067 --> 00:24:33.867
>> THEM THE SITUATION. WHEN
YOUR FOLKS GOT DIVORCED, WHAT

00:24:33.967 --> 00:24:38.900
ALL HAPPENED THAT WEEK?
>> WELL, MY PARENTS WERE

00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.934
PASTORS, AND I LOVE THEM BOTH
DEARLY. THERE WAS A LOT OF

00:24:42.034 --> 00:24:44.933
THINGS THERE I WON'T GET INTO
THAT, YOU KNOW, BROKE THEIR

00:24:45.033 --> 00:24:48.033
MARRIAGE AND THEY ENDED UP
GETTING A DIVORCE. AND I

00:24:48.133 --> 00:24:52.933
REMEMBER MY FATHER CALLING ME
AND LETTING ME KNOW AND ME

00:24:53.033 --> 00:24:57.033
THINKING, THIS IS A DISASTER,
LIKE, I DON'T WHAT IN THE WORLD?

00:24:57.133 --> 00:25:00.166
I WAS 30, WE HAD PLANTED A
CHURCH SEVEN YEARS BEFORE. I'D

00:25:00.266 --> 00:25:07.000
LIVED AWAY A THOUSAND MILES
AWAY FOREVER. I WAS PREGNANT

00:25:07.100 --> 00:25:12.000
WITH MY THIRD CHILD AND I WAS
DEVASTATED. AND I REMEMBER

00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:14.966
GETTING DOWN IN THE FLOOR AND
BRIAN CAME. I WAS CRYING LIKE,

00:25:15.066 --> 00:25:17.300
BECAUSE YOU ACT LIKE A CHILD
WHENEVER YOUR PARENTS GET A

00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.134
DIVORCE, EVEN IF YOU'RE AN
ADULT, JUST LIKE THAT'S THE WAY

00:25:19.234 --> 00:25:22.167
IT STRIKES.
>> YOU BECAUSE IT'S A LOSS.

00:25:22.267 --> 00:25:24.966
>> YES, IT'S LIKE A DEATH. AND
BRIAN COMES IN AND HE'S LIKE,

00:25:25.066 --> 00:25:26.200
HEY, I LOVE YOU. YOU CAN
BREATHE WHEN THE GRIEVE WHEN

00:25:26.300 --> 00:25:29.067
THE BABY COMES.
>> NOT NOW.

00:25:29.167 --> 00:25:31.233
>> IN LIFE. SHE'S LIKE DOWN ON
THE FLOOR. LIKE I'M LIKE, DO I

00:25:31.333 --> 00:25:33.167
NEED TO CALL? LIKE, DO I CALL
AN AMBULANCE?

00:25:33.267 --> 00:25:35.400
>> I MEAN.
>> AT THIS LEVEL I'M LIKE, WHAT?

00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:38.334
LIKE, WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?
>> YOU'RE LIKE.

00:25:38.434 --> 00:25:41.100
>> I LOVE YOU, BABE, BUT YOU
GOT TO GET UP. YOU'RE A MOM NOW,

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:43.300
NOT JUST A DAUGHTER. AND YOU'RE
GOING TO KEEP IT TOGETHER UNTIL

00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.000
THAT BABY IS OUT. BECAUSE WE
HAD LOST. WE HAD MISCARRIED A

00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:48.300
BABY BEFORE, AND HE'S LIKE,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET THIS

00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.000
TAKE OVER YOUR BODY. THE BABY'S
GOING TO COME OUT HEALTHY.

00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:55.100
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HEALTHY
CHILD GET UP, AND I WANT YOU TO

00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.267
GO ON WITH YOUR. AND WHEN THIS
BABY COMES, THEN YOU CAN MOURN

00:25:57.367 --> 00:26:00.133
LIKE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU
WANT TO DO. BUT NOT RIGHT

00:26:00.233 --> 00:26:02.267
NOW. AND SO WE GO AND THEN
THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENS

00:26:02.367 --> 00:26:06.167
THAT SAME WEEK IS THAT
BRIAN'S FAMILY, WHO'S BEEN

00:26:06.267 --> 00:26:10.133
THE LARGEST CATTLE
BROKERAGE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD,

00:26:10.233 --> 00:26:13.033
THEY HAD SOLD OUT WHENEVER
BRIAN'S DAD DIED A COUPLE YEARS

00:26:13.133 --> 00:26:16.000
BEFORE. AND THE UNCLE WHO OWNED.
>> IT.

00:26:16.100 --> 00:26:19.100
>> MY MOM SOLD HER PORTION.
>> YES, SHE SHE HAD SOLD HER

00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.133
PORTION. AND THE UNCLE THAT HAD
GOTTEN THAT PORTION AND OWNED

00:26:22.233 --> 00:26:25.233
THE WHOLE COMPANY HAD COOKED
THE BOOKS. IT ENDS UP IN A

00:26:25.333 --> 00:26:28.300
MAGAZINE.
>> AFTER THE OH EIGHT CRASH.

00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.100
>> YEAH, HE HE TRIED TO FIX IT
AND THEY, THEY.

00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:34.034
>> GOT HIM.
>> SO FRONT PAGE NEWS

00:26:34.134 --> 00:26:39.233
EVERYWHERE WHERE I LIVED AND
PASTORED, THEY CALLED MY FAMILY

00:26:39.333 --> 00:26:40.433
THE LEHMANN BROTHERS OF
LIVESTOCK. IT WAS LIKE FORBES.

00:26:40.533 --> 00:26:42.366
>> FORBES.
>> YOU KNOW, LIKE FORBES

00:26:42.466 --> 00:26:46.067
ARTICLES AND STUFF.
>> LIKE ABOUT MY FAMILY. YEAH.

00:26:46.167 --> 00:26:47.100
>> OH YEAH. IT HIT EVERY MAJOR
NEWS OUTLET IN AMERICA. SO SAME

00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:50.067
WEEK.
>> OH, NO.

00:26:50.167 --> 00:26:51.300
>> MY FAMILY GOES DOWN, MY
UNCLE'S GOING TO PRISON.

00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.266
JESSE'S FOLKS ARE GETTING
DIVORCED.

00:26:54.366 --> 00:26:56.300
>> I MEAN, IT WAS SO PUBLIC.
>> BUSTED UP. I REMEMBER WE

00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.300
WERE LAYING IN BED. WE'RE
HOLDING HANDS. WE'RE GETTING

00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.533
READY TO HAVE OUR THIRD BABY.
I'M LIKE, HEY, JESSE, Y'ALL

00:27:00.633 --> 00:27:02.333
REMEMBER WHEN WE USED YOU?
REMEMBER WHEN WE USED TO BE

00:27:02.433 --> 00:27:05.300
SOMEBODY? I'M LIKE, THAT'S ALL
OVER.

00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.166
>> NOW I JUST LAUGH. WE JUST
LAUGHED OUT LOUD. I WAS LIKE,

00:27:07.266 --> 00:27:09.167
THERE'S NOTHING.
>> THAT YOU COULD DO.

00:27:09.267 --> 00:27:12.167
>> THAT'S A GOOD MARRIAGE RIGHT.
>> THERE THROUGH WARS.

00:27:12.267 --> 00:27:15.134
>> YEAH, RIGHT. AND YOU GET
THROUGH WARS LIKE THAT BECAUSE

00:27:15.234 --> 00:27:17.534
YOU'VE BECOME A TEAM AND YOU
GOT SOMETHING TO HOLD ON TO. SO

00:27:17.634 --> 00:27:21.133
NOW.
>> YOU DIDN'T HOLD IT TO LIKE

00:27:21.233 --> 00:27:24.100
YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T LET YOUR
IDENTITY BE WRAPPED UP IN HOW

00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:25.500
PEOPLE PERCEIVED YOU, BECAUSE
THAT WOULD HAVE CRUSHED SOME

00:27:25.600 --> 00:27:27.133
PEOPLE.
>> WELL, BOTH OF OUR FAMILY

00:27:27.233 --> 00:27:30.234
NAMES WERE MUD THAT.
>> WEEK.

00:27:30.334 --> 00:27:33.266
>> AND THEY HAD BEEN VERY GOOD
NAMES. I MEAN, WE HAD IDENTITY,

00:27:33.366 --> 00:27:37.334
THAT LIGHT IN THAT. BUT BECAUSE
WE HAD CREATED ANOTHER IDENTITY,

00:27:37.434 --> 00:27:41.167
I THINK THAT GOD WAS ABLE TO
RESCUE US FROM THAT GRIEF. IT

00:27:41.267 --> 00:27:44.334
WAS GRIEF. I MEAN, IT WAS A IT.
WAS IT WAS A DEEP, DEEP GRIEF.

00:27:44.434 --> 00:27:48.400
BUT WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE, I
THINK, TO RESPOND WELL AND HELP

00:27:48.500 --> 00:27:53.134
EVEN SOME OF OUR FAMILY COME
OUT OF THAT ON TOP EMOTIONALLY.

00:27:53.234 --> 00:27:57.300
BY THE GRACE OF GOD, WE GOT,
YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T IT DIDN'T

00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:01.200
TAKE ANY OF US OUT. SO I JUST I
REMEMBER THAT DAY BECAUSE I

00:28:01.300 --> 00:28:04.200
THOUGHT, MAN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN
IF IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A TEAM?

00:28:04.300 --> 00:28:07.367
TEAM GIBSON LIKE, WHAT IF TEAM
GIBSON DIDN'T EXIST? BECAUSE

00:28:07.467 --> 00:28:10.267
WE'LL TELL OUR KIDS LIKE, HEY,
YOU CAN BE ON TEAM GIBSON OR

00:28:10.367 --> 00:28:12.400
YOU CAN BE ON YOUR OWN TEAM,
BUT WE WIN EVERY TIME. AND IF

00:28:12.500 --> 00:28:14.500
YOU GO ON THE OTHER TEAM,
YOU'RE GOING TO BE A LOSER.

00:28:14.600 --> 00:28:17.200
>> SO I LIKE THAT.
>> IF YOU SAY THAT TO.

00:28:17.300 --> 00:28:19.300
>> OUR KIDS AND.
>> I'LL SAY YOU CAN, YOU CAN

00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.367
DISOBEY, YOU CAN GET OUT OF
LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING

00:28:21.467 --> 00:28:23.433
BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL IN OUR
HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE SUPPOSED

00:28:23.533 --> 00:28:24.533
TO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LEAD THEM.
>> AT THIS POINT, WE'RE.

00:28:24.633 --> 00:28:26.400
>> IN CHARGE.
>> YEAH, AT THIS.

00:28:26.500 --> 00:28:29.200
>> POINT, WE'RE IN CHARGE AT
THIS POINT.

00:28:29.300 --> 00:28:31.534
>> AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DO
WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT TEAM

00:28:31.634 --> 00:28:34.167
GIBSON WINS. AND IF YOU WANT TO
BE ON THE WINNING TEAM, YOU'LL

00:28:34.267 --> 00:28:36.433
COME OVER HERE. AND SO FROM THE
TIME THEY WERE BORN, THAT'S

00:28:36.533 --> 00:28:39.333
WHAT WE WOULD SAY TO THEM, YOU
KNOW, AND INSTILLS IN THEM WE

00:28:39.433 --> 00:28:41.267
ARE WE ARE WINNERS. WE ALWAYS
WIN. WE ALWAYS COME OUT ON TOP.

00:28:41.367 --> 00:28:43.500
WE'RE ALWAYS VICTORIOUS NO
MATTER WHAT WE WALK THROUGH.

00:28:43.600 --> 00:28:46.300
AND THAT GIVES THEM GOOD
IDENTITY. BUT ALSO WHAT WOULD

00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.500
HAVE HAPPENED IN THAT SEASON IF
WE HADN'T BUILT THAT. IT

00:28:48.600 --> 00:28:50.667
DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO
BUILD IT UNTIL YOU HAVE KIDS,

00:28:50.767 --> 00:28:54.233
BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO BE
BUILDING IT FROM THE MOMENT

00:28:54.333 --> 00:28:57.333
THAT YOU SAY I DO.
>> THAT'S SO GOOD. I DID HAVE A

00:28:57.433 --> 00:29:00.367
QUESTION ABOUT WHEN YOU BECAUSE
YOU WERE LIKE, WE DIDN'T HANDLE

00:29:00.467 --> 00:29:03.367
IT CORRECTLY WITH HER FAMILY
WHEN YOU WERE KIND OF TRYING TO

00:29:03.467 --> 00:29:05.400
LEAVE AND CLEAVE. HOW DO YOU.
>> WAIT BEFORE YOU ASK THAT

00:29:05.500 --> 00:29:09.266
QUESTION OF HOW YOU DO? HOW DID
THEY RESPOND TO THAT?

00:29:09.366 --> 00:29:11.267
>> NOT WELL, NOT WELL.
>> YEAH, THEY WERE THEY WERE

00:29:11.367 --> 00:29:12.534
TALKED BUT BUT.
>> THEY WERE.

00:29:12.634 --> 00:29:15.300
>> WAIT, WHAT?
>> MY PARENTS.

00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.267
>> AND THEN HE WAS LIKE, WE ARE.
>> OH.

00:29:17.367 --> 00:29:19.434
>> BUT I WANTED TO HEAR HOW
THEY RESPONDED.

00:29:19.534 --> 00:29:20.633
>> I WAS TRYING.
>> THEY HANDLED IT AS NICELY AS

00:29:20.733 --> 00:29:23.266
THEY COULD.
>> DID YOU END UP.

00:29:23.366 --> 00:29:25.567
>> THEY DIDN'T.
>> LIKE IT. WHERE ARE YOU IN

00:29:25.667 --> 00:29:28.500
THE BIRTH ORDER. I STILL.
>> I STOOD MY GROUND.

00:29:28.600 --> 00:29:30.433
>> SO WAS ANYONE ELSE MARRIED
IN THE FAMILY OR WERE Y'ALL THE

00:29:30.533 --> 00:29:31.267
FIRST?
>> NO, MY OLDEST SISTER WAS

00:29:31.367 --> 00:29:35.233
MARRIED.
>> OKAY.

00:29:35.333 --> 00:29:39.467
>> THERE WERE SOME REAL POWER
STRUGGLES WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL.

00:29:39.567 --> 00:29:41.367
AND REALLY CONTROLLED, LIKE.
>> THE WHOLE THING.

00:29:41.467 --> 00:29:44.233
>> THE WHOLE THING.
>> THE WHOLE FAMILY SYSTEM.

00:29:44.333 --> 00:29:46.333
YEAH. AND I WAS FROM A FAMILY
THAT WAS EVEN MESSED UP, LIKE,

00:29:46.433 --> 00:29:48.300
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PARTY
ANIMALS AND.

00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.267
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT

00:29:51.367 --> 00:29:54.234
EVERYBODY RESPECTED EACH
OTHER'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

00:29:54.334 --> 00:29:55.533
AND YOUR HUMANITY, RIGHT. WITH
THIS SYSTEM, IT WAS GET IN LINE

00:29:55.633 --> 00:29:57.467
OR.
>> OR BUCK OFF.

00:29:57.567 --> 00:30:01.334
>> YOU'RE OUT OF THE.
>> WILL OF GOD.

00:30:01.434 --> 00:30:04.567
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S TERRIBLE. AND
I KNEW IT WASN'T RIGHT. RIGHT.

00:30:04.667 --> 00:30:07.233
AND I WASN'T GOING TO SUBJECT
MY FAMILY TO THAT KIND OF LIKE

00:30:07.333 --> 00:30:09.434
DOMINATION. SO SO I MADE SOME
DRASTIC.

00:30:09.534 --> 00:30:11.467
>> IT WASN'T LIKE.
>> A HEALTHY, PLEASANT, YOU

00:30:11.567 --> 00:30:14.200
KNOW, HEY, WE NEED TO TALK
ABOUT SOMETHING.

00:30:14.300 --> 00:30:16.433
>> IF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE
THAT, I WOULD HAVE JUST ROLLED

00:30:16.533 --> 00:30:20.267
WITH IT. BUT IF IT'S LIKE
YOU'RE IT WAS YOU'RE GOING TO

00:30:20.367 --> 00:30:22.300
DO WHAT I SAY WHEN I SAY IT,
HOW I SAY IT. AND IT'S LIKE, NO,

00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.400
I'M A GROWN MAN WITH MY OWN
FAMILY. NOW.

00:30:24.500 --> 00:30:28.266
>> IN HIS.
>> DEFENSE, I THINK HE DID THE

00:30:28.366 --> 00:30:30.267
BEST WITH THE THE CARDS THAT HE
HAD, AND I APPRECIATED IT

00:30:30.367 --> 00:30:32.200
BECAUSE IT TOOK SOME PRESSURE
OFF OF ME.

00:30:32.300 --> 00:30:33.334
>> AS GOOD AS A 22.
>> YEAR OLD.

00:30:33.434 --> 00:30:35.300
>> I THINK.
>> AS.

00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.467
>> GOOD AS A 22 YEAR OLD MALE.
>> COULD DO.

00:30:37.567 --> 00:30:39.534
>> I THINK HE DID AN INCREDIBLE
>> I WAS 22.

00:30:39.634 --> 00:30:41.700
JOB LEADING OUR FAMILY. MY
PARENTS PROBABLY WISHED HE

00:30:42.300 --> 00:30:45.233
COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT
MORE GENTLE. IT'S NOT REALLY

00:30:45.333 --> 00:30:47.567
HIS FORTE. HE'S NEVER BEEN
SUPER GENTLE, YOU KNOW, SO I.

00:30:47.667 --> 00:30:50.400
>> TEDDY BEAR.
>> HE'S VERY GENTLE.

00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:54.433
>> HE'S KIND.
>> AND VERY TENDER. BUT LIKE,

00:30:54.533 --> 00:30:58.267
HE IS LIKE HIS VOICE IS KIND OF
GRUFF, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS.

00:30:58.367 --> 00:31:01.567
AND THEY HAD ONLY RAISED GIRLS.
SO FOR MY FAMILY, IT WAS JUST A

00:31:01.667 --> 00:31:04.433
BIZARRE ENCOUNTER, YOU KNOW.
AND SO I DON'T ON EITHER SIDE,

00:31:04.533 --> 00:31:08.434
I DON'T THINK EITHER ONE WAS
PREPARED TO HANDLE THE OTHER

00:31:08.534 --> 00:31:11.434
ONE. BUT HE DID. I THINK IF HE
HAD NOT HAVE DONE THAT, EVEN IF

00:31:11.534 --> 00:31:14.266
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT WRONG, I
THINK YOUNG MEN NEED TO KNOW,

00:31:14.366 --> 00:31:16.634
LIKE LIKE I SEE WE PASTORED
LONG ENOUGH NOW THAT WE SEE

00:31:16.734 --> 00:31:19.400
YOUNG MEN AND THEY'LL BE LIKE,
NO ONE COULD COME TO THE

00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:21.533
HOSPITAL, NO ONE CAN SEE OUR
BABY. NO. I'M LIKE, BRO, YOU'RE

00:31:21.633 --> 00:31:23.666
GOING TO WANT THOSE PEOPLE IN
LIKE TWO MONTHS. WHEN YOU WANT

00:31:23.766 --> 00:31:26.700
TO GO ON A DATE.
>> YEAH, YOU'RE. GOING PULLING

00:31:26.800 --> 00:31:28.467
FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW.
>> SO SO WITH THE SAME AMOUNT

00:31:28.567 --> 00:31:31.500
OF RESPECT THEY'RE SHOWING, I
THINK IT SHOULD BE MET WITH

00:31:31.600 --> 00:31:36.334
RESPECT. BUT AT SOME POINT IF
IF THERE'S A BROKEN FAMILY

00:31:36.434 --> 00:31:39.533
YOU KNOW, TRAUMA AND MENTAL
SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF,

00:31:39.633 --> 00:31:41.500
HEALTH ISSUES GOING ON AND
FAMILY THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND

00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:44.367
BOUNDARIES AND THEY WON'T
RESPECT THOSE THINGS, THERE IS

00:31:44.467 --> 00:31:46.533
A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME
IN AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO

00:31:46.633 --> 00:31:48.600
HAVE TO DO THINGS FOR OUR
FAMILY THAT GOD'S CALLING US TO

00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:52.366
DO. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S
ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT

00:31:52.466 --> 00:31:56.334
SCRIPTURALLY AT ALL.
>> YOU KNOW, WE WE MINISTER IN

00:31:56.434 --> 00:31:59.600
PLACES WHERE THE COST OF LIVING
IS SO HIGH. LET'S TAKE HAWAII,

00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:02.500
FOR EXAMPLE. I PREACH A LOT ON
HAWAII. IT'S TERRIBLE, BUT

00:32:02.600 --> 00:32:04.367
SOMEBODY'S GOT TO SAVE THOSE.
>> SOMEONE'S GOT TO SACRIFICE.

00:32:04.467 --> 00:32:06.567
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE.

00:32:06.667 --> 00:32:08.633
>> GOD LOVES THEM.
>> COME OVER AND HELP US, I.

00:32:08.733 --> 00:32:10.700
>> WILL GO.
>> YOU'RE LIKE, I WILL GO, LORD.

00:32:10.800 --> 00:32:12.733
>> YEAH. IT'S TOUGH. I KNOW THE
WEIGHT.

00:32:13.433 --> 00:32:14.767
>> CALLING ME TO THE RITZ ON
HAWAII.

00:32:14.867 --> 00:32:17.567
>> YEAH.
>> NO, BUT I'VE BEEN PREACHING

00:32:17.667 --> 00:32:20.334
THERE FOREVER. ONE OF MY
MENTORS IS THERE, BUT THE COST

00:32:20.434 --> 00:32:23.300
OF LIVING IS SO HIGH IN HAWAII
NOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,

00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.400
EVERYBODY'S IN. THE AMERICANS
WITH MONEY WANT TO BUY STUFF

00:32:26.500 --> 00:32:29.500
THERE. THE JAPANESE WITH MONEY
BUY STUFF THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU

00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:33.333
GOT CHINESE PEOPLE ARE FROM
EVERYWHERE WITH BIG MONEY. SO

00:32:33.433 --> 00:32:34.500
MULTIPLE GENERATIONS IN.
THE LOCALS END UP LIVING

00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:36.466
>> A HOUSE.
>> TO AFFORD THE.

00:32:36.566 --> 00:32:38.566
>> HOUSE.
>> ON LEVELS. RIGHT. SO YOU

00:32:38.666 --> 00:32:40.733
HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT
GENERATIONS, ALL THESE

00:32:41.467 --> 00:32:44.466
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, AND A
LOT OF TIMES GRANDMOTHER AND

00:32:44.566 --> 00:32:47.967
AUNT AND UNCLE AND MOM AND DAD,
EVERYBODY'S CRAMMING THEIR

00:32:48.067 --> 00:32:51.333
VALUES ON THAT KID, THOSE KIDS
THAT JUST GOT MARRIED, LOOKING

00:32:51.433 --> 00:32:55.467
AT THEM THROUGH A THROUGH A
MICROSCOPE. AND IT'S A VERY

00:32:55.567 --> 00:32:58.633
TOUGH SYSTEM FOR THESE KIDS TO
THRIVE IN AND TO BECOME THEIR

00:32:58.733 --> 00:33:03.433
OWN THING. NOW THEY HAVE A
CULTURAL RESPECT GENERATIONALLY.

00:33:03.533 --> 00:33:05.533
MAYBE WE'VE LOST AND WE COULD
LEARN SOMETHING FROM THEM, BUT

00:33:05.633 --> 00:33:08.566
I THINK THE HOUSING SITUATION
CREATES A TOUGHER PLACE ABOUT

00:33:08.666 --> 00:33:12.433
LEAVING AND CLEAVING. YEAH,
WE'VE DONE A TON OF MARRIAGE

00:33:12.533 --> 00:33:15.567
CONFERENCES ON HAWAII, AND WHEN
YOU BRING THIS UP, YOU CAN FEEL

00:33:15.667 --> 00:33:18.600
LIKE THE GENERATIONAL CONTROL
THING STARTS SWIRLING, RIGHT?

00:33:18.700 --> 00:33:22.567
GRANDPARENTS DON'T LIKE IT,
PARENTS DON'T LIKE IT, AUNT AND

00:33:22.667 --> 00:33:25.400
UNCLE DON'T LIKE IT. AND IT'S
INTERESTING. NOW SYSTEMS LIKE

00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:27.433
THIS ARE DIFFERENT AND IT
DEPENDS ON WHAT CULTURE YOU'RE

00:33:27.533 --> 00:33:29.566
IN.
>> THAT ACTUALLY LEADS TO A

00:33:29.666 --> 00:33:32.467
REALLY GOOD QUESTION, WHICH IS,
WHAT WOULD YOUR ADVICE BE

00:33:32.567 --> 00:33:36.466
TO SOMEONE WHO IS HAVING TO
DEAL WITH SOMEONE WHO IS

00:33:36.566 --> 00:33:39.567
TRYING TO INSERT THEMSELVES
INTO THE MARRIAGE AND

00:33:39.667 --> 00:33:42.567
TRYING TO CONTROL THE
FAMILY, LIKE YOUR NUCLEAR

00:33:42.667 --> 00:33:48.467
FAMILY, NOT JUST THE FAMILY
AS A WHOLE.

00:33:48.567 --> 00:33:56.433
>> I HAVE VERY, VERY DEEP
SEATED VIEWS ON THIS

00:33:56.533 --> 00:34:01.500
YEAR OF STUDYING HONOR FOR
SUBJECT. I WALKED THROUGH A

00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:04.633
PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, YOU KNOW,
THOSE ELDERS IN OUR FAMILY, AS

00:34:04.733 --> 00:34:07.734
OPPOSED TO OBEDIENCE, WHICH IS
WHAT CHILDREN DO WHEN THEY'RE

00:34:07.834 --> 00:34:11.667
UNDER THE CARE. AND THE, YOU
KNOW, THE UMBRELLA PROTECTION

00:34:11.767 --> 00:34:16.534
OF THEIR FATHER'S HOUSE. WHAT
HAPPENS AS YOU AGE AND WHAT

00:34:16.634 --> 00:34:20.500
HONOR SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN IN
LIGHT OF THE SCRIPTURE? IT WAS

00:34:20.600 --> 00:34:22.834
IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I WAS
HAVING A DIFFICULTY WITH WITH A

00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:25.866
FAMILY MEMBER THAT DID NOT
UNDERSTAND BOUNDARIES. SO

00:34:25.966 --> 00:34:28.967
BOUNDARIES WERE LIKE
NON-EXISTENT. THERE WAS NONE.

00:34:29.067 --> 00:34:32.000
AND EVERY TIME THAT IT WAS
BROUGHT UP, IT WAS, I'M IN

00:34:32.100 --> 00:34:35.867
SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY. I'M IN
FAMILIAL AUTHORITY, I'M IN, YOU

00:34:35.967 --> 00:34:38.067
KNOW, IT JUST KEPT COMING UP
AND UP AND UP. AND IT WAS VERY

00:34:38.167 --> 00:34:42.900
DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO
PLEASING THIS PERSON OUTSIDE OF

00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.133
COMPLETE AND UTTER OBEDIENCE.
AND SO IT WASN'T LIKE, OH, WE

00:34:45.233 --> 00:34:48.867
CAN COMPROMISE AND I CAN HAVE
MY VIEW AND YOU CAN HAVE YOURS

00:34:48.967 --> 00:34:51.200
AND I CAN HONOR IT AND WE CAN
JUST GET ALONG. IT WAS JUST A

00:34:51.934 --> 00:34:56.933
CONSTANT STATE OF, YOU HAVE TO
DO IT EXACTLY LIKE I WANT IT

00:34:57.033 --> 00:35:02.967
DONE. AND THEN TO THE POINT OF
ABUSE IN THOSE SITUATIONS. AND

00:35:03.067 --> 00:35:07.000
I HAD BEEN RAISED VERY STRICT
ON OBEDIENCE AND HONOR. SO I AS

00:35:07.100 --> 00:35:10.900
I CAME INTO LIKE THEOLOGY
SCHOOL IN COLLEGE, I'M LIKE,

00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:14.067
GOD, YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME SOME
REVELATION ON THIS. AND AS I

00:35:14.167 --> 00:35:17.000
STUDIED IT AND YOU GO BACK INTO
THE ANCIENT NEAR EAST AND THE

00:35:17.100 --> 00:35:19.900
FAMILIES AND HOW THEY WOULD
HAVE HONORED, I MEAN, WE DON'T

00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.933
EVEN KNOW WHAT HONOR IS THESE
PEOPLE WERE THIS WAS A WHOLE

00:35:24.033 --> 00:35:28.066
NOTHER LEVEL. BUT I DID REALIZE
THROUGH THAT STUDY THAT GOD HAD

00:35:28.166 --> 00:35:30.867
GIVEN US HONOR YOUR FATHER AND
MOTHER, WHICH IS THE FIRST

00:35:30.967 --> 00:35:33.167
COMMANDMENT, WITH PROMISE THAT
IT MAY GO WELL WITH YOU, AND

00:35:33.267 --> 00:35:36.167
THAT YOU MAY LIVE A LONG TIME
ON THE EARTH. WELL, I WANT TO

00:35:36.267 --> 00:35:39.000
LIVE A LONG TIME. I'M SURE YOU
GUYS WANT TO LIVE A LONG TIME.

00:35:39.100 --> 00:35:42.134
SO THIS HONOR THING KEPT COMING
UP, AND AS I STUDIED IT, I

00:35:42.234 --> 00:35:46.933
LOOKED AND I BEGAN TO SEE GOD
REALLY GIVE ME A REVELATION.

00:35:47.033 --> 00:35:52.000
THAT HONOR WAS PUT THERE FROM
CHILDREN TO THEIR PARENTS AS A

00:35:52.100 --> 00:35:55.133
PRINCIPLE FROM GOD, SO THAT THE
GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST WOULD BE

00:35:55.233 --> 00:35:59.033
PASSED DOWN FROM GENERATION TO
GENERATION. LET ONE GENERATION

00:35:59.133 --> 00:36:03.200
DECLARE TO THE NEXT GENERATION
THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF THE LORD.

00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:07.000
AND GOD WANTED TO ENSURE THAT
THE CHILDREN HAD AN OPEN HEART

00:36:07.100 --> 00:36:09.200
TO HEAR THE VOICE OF THEIR
PARENTS, BECAUSE THEY WERE

00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:13.034
PASSING DOWN GENERATIONAL FAITH.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE. IT WASN'T.

00:36:13.134 --> 00:36:15.600
SO THAT ONE ADULT CAN BE IN
CHARGE OF ALL OTHER ADULTS. IT

00:36:15.700 --> 00:36:19.167
WASN'T THERE SO THAT SOMEONE
COULD ABUSE SOMEONE. THE

00:36:19.267 --> 00:36:23.034
PURPOSE OF HONOR WAS THERE SO
THAT GOD COULD GET HIS GOSPEL,

00:36:23.134 --> 00:36:26.300
HIS GOOD NEWS STORY, THROUGH
ONE GENERATION AND PASS IT TO

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:29.167
THE NEXT GENERATIONS, AND THAT
IT WOULD BECOME A

00:36:29.267 --> 00:36:34.167
MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAITH THAT
WAS HELD TRUE TO YOUR HEART.

00:36:34.267 --> 00:36:38.233
LIKE VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU. AND
GOD BEGAN TO REALLY SHARE WITH

00:36:38.333 --> 00:36:42.233
ME AND AND TEACH ME ABOUT THE
POWER OF HONOR AS I SHARE THE

00:36:42.333 --> 00:36:46.100
GOSPEL, THAT EVERY TIME I GET
UP AND I PREACH THE GOSPEL IN A

00:36:46.200 --> 00:36:50.033
SERVICE, I'M HONORING MY FATHER
AND MOTHER. EVERY TIME I RAISE

00:36:50.133 --> 00:36:53.000
MY KIDS IN THE WAYS OF GOD, I
AM HONORING MY FATHER AND

00:36:53.100 --> 00:36:56.000
MOTHER EVERY TIME THAT I LIVE
FOR JESUS OUT LOUD ON THE

00:36:56.100 --> 00:36:58.300
STREET, I'M HONORING MY FATHER
AND MOTHER. EVERY TIME MY

00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.333
MARRIAGE WORKS, I'M HONORING MY
FATHER AND MOTHER BECAUSE WHAT

00:37:01.433 --> 00:37:04.233
WE'RE DOING THROUGH MARRIAGE IS
SHOWING THAT THE COVENANT STILL

00:37:04.333 --> 00:37:08.067
WORKS, THAT GOD'S COVENANT IS
POWERFUL. WE ARE A PICTURE ON

00:37:08.167 --> 00:37:12.100
THE EARTH OF THE BRIDE OF
CHRIST. AND HOW THE THE

00:37:12.200 --> 00:37:16.100
BRIDEGROOM LOVES THAT BRIDE. SO
EVERY TIME THAT THIS IS WORKING,

00:37:16.200 --> 00:37:20.233
I'M PREACHING THE GOSPEL
THROUGH MY LIFE. AND FOR ME,

00:37:20.333 --> 00:37:24.133
THAT WAS SUCH A SALVE TO MY
SOUL, BECAUSE THE DEEPEST

00:37:24.233 --> 00:37:27.234
DESIRE OF MY HEART WAS TO HONOR
MY MOTHER AND FATHER. AND YET I

00:37:27.334 --> 00:37:29.067
KNEW I COULD NOT OBEY WHAT THEY
WERE ASKING ME. AND I FOUND

00:37:29.167 --> 00:37:32.034
MYSELF IN THIS, LIKE, WEIRD
TENSION.

00:37:32.134 --> 00:37:35.100
>> LIKE AN INTENTION.
>> YEAH. AND SO WHEN GOD GAVE

00:37:35.200 --> 00:37:37.266
ME THAT REVELATION, IT JUST
HELPED ME. AND THAT'S WHAT I

00:37:37.366 --> 00:37:41.333
WOULD SHARE WITH PEOPLE THAT
ARE DEALING WITH IT. ARE YOU

00:37:41.433 --> 00:37:44.200
ABLE TO OBEY GOD AND THAT
PERSON? AND IF YOU ARE NOT,

00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:47.100
THEN YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE
PURPOSE OF HONOR, AND YOU NEED

00:37:47.200 --> 00:37:50.133
TO LIVE YOUR LIFE AS A PERSON
OF HONOR, AND THAT WILL BRING

00:37:50.233 --> 00:37:54.067
HONOR TO YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER,
WHETHER THEY SEE IT AS HONOR,

00:37:54.167 --> 00:37:57.334
THAT'S UP TO THEM. BUT WHAT WE
DO WITH OUR LIFE, WE WE ANSWER

00:37:57.434 --> 00:38:00.200
TO AN AUDIENCE OF ONE, AND GOD
KNOWS OUR HEART AND WHERE WHERE

00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:03.266
IT IS. AND I JUST HAD TO FIND
MYSELF THERE.

00:38:03.366 --> 00:38:05.333
>> AND SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES
ARE EXTREME. WE'RE TALKING

00:38:05.433 --> 00:38:12.167
ABOUT DEALING WITH AN EXTREME
SITUATION. OH YEAH. RIGHT. AND

00:38:12.267 --> 00:38:16.234
ERODING MARRIAGE AT THE TIME.
BIG PROBLEMS. SO A PERSON IN A

00:38:16.334 --> 00:38:21.100
NORMAL TRANSITION TO A MARRIAGE
IS DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT

00:38:21.200 --> 00:38:25.067
SYSTEM. A LOT OF TIMES I THINK
WE, WE BROAD SWEEP THINGS LIKE,

00:38:25.167 --> 00:38:28.166
LET'S SAY, TELLING PEOPLE, WELL,
YOU JUST GOT TO FORGIVE

00:38:28.266 --> 00:38:32.100
WHATEVER SITUATION IT IS. RIGHT?
I THINK I THINK WE'VE HELD

00:38:32.200 --> 00:38:35.167
VICTIMS HOSTAGE. YEAH, IN THE
BODY OF CHRIST BY JUST SAYING

00:38:35.267 --> 00:38:40.133
JUST FORGIVE. LIKE, THINK ABOUT
THE GIRL THAT WAS BRUTALIZED,

00:38:40.233 --> 00:38:44.133
RAPED, YOU KNOW, TREATED
TERRIBLE BY SOME JERK FACE. AND

00:38:44.233 --> 00:38:47.466
THAT GIRL JUST HAS TO FORGIVE
AND GO ON. AND WE WIPE IT AWAY

00:38:47.566 --> 00:38:51.400
LIKE THAT WITH A SIMPLE JESUS
FORGAVE. NOW YOU FORGIVE.

00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:55.300
SOMETIMES, IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL
WITH THAT MESSED UP SITUATION,

00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:01.367
I THINK WE'RE VICTIMIZING THE
VICTIM. SO IN CHRISTIAN

00:39:01.467 --> 00:39:06.333
THEOLOGY, A LOT OF US JUST HAVE
TWO. LET'S SAY CASTES OR

00:39:06.433 --> 00:39:11.167
CLASSES OF PEOPLE SAVED AND
WICKED, RIGHT? LOST, SAVED,

00:39:11.267 --> 00:39:15.266
LOST, SAVED, WICKED SAVED.
WHATEVER. JEWISH THEOLOGY IS

00:39:15.366 --> 00:39:17.467
DIFFERENT. THERE WERE THE SAVED.
THERE WERE THE. WELL, WE'LL SEE

00:39:17.567 --> 00:39:21.200
ABOUT IT. MAYBE THEY'LL BE BORN
AGAIN. THEY'RE LOST, OR MAYBE

00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:24.200
THEY'LL BE FOUND. AND THEN
THERE WAS THE WICKED. AND YOU

00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:26.500
WATCH THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT
DEALING WITH THE WICKED

00:39:26.600 --> 00:39:30.267
DIFFERENT THAN YOU DEAL WITH
JUST SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW

00:39:30.367 --> 00:39:34.334
GOD. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. THE
WICKED PERSON IS DANGEROUS. THE

00:39:34.434 --> 00:39:37.300
WICKED PERSON IS PLAIN JUST FOR
THEMSELVES. RIGHT? THERE'S A

00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:41.300
WAY YOU DEAL WITH THAT
SITUATION DIFFERENT THAN A

00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:46.167
NORMAL LIFESTYLE. WHAT'S
INTERESTING IS 1 IN 25 PEOPLE,

00:39:46.267 --> 00:39:49.367
THEY SAY IS A CARD CARRYING
SOCIOPATH. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

00:39:49.467 --> 00:39:53.200
BY SOCIOPATH? THAT MEANS THEY
COULD SHOOT US IN THE HEAD,

00:39:53.300 --> 00:39:54.300
WALK OUT AND GO SUPERSIZE THEIR
FRIES. YOU KNOW, AT MCDONALD'S,

00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:56.366
DRIVE.
>> HOME CRAZY.

00:39:56.466 --> 00:39:58.666
>> AND ACT LIKE NOTHING
HAPPENED.

00:39:58.766 --> 00:40:01.300
>> I FEEL LIKE IT'S MORE
RAMPANT ACTUALLY, NOW.

00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.267
>> IT'S GETTING WORSE.
>> YEAH, THERE'S MORE

00:40:04.367 --> 00:40:07.234
SOCIOPATHS. SO WE'RE.
>> WE'RE PASTORING PEOPLE

00:40:07.334 --> 00:40:10.400
THROUGH SOME OF THIS CRAZINESS
NOW. YEAH. AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN

00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:13.266
THERE. IT'S PROBABLY ON THE TOP.
SO I'M REAL CAREFUL BECAUSE

00:40:13.366 --> 00:40:17.133
SOME PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH
SOMETHING SO STRANGE AND SO

00:40:17.233 --> 00:40:19.367
MANIPULATIVE THAT NORMAL PEOPLE
AREN'T. YOU ALMOST GOT TO

00:40:19.467 --> 00:40:21.567
SOLIDIFY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE A PRETTY

00:40:21.667 --> 00:40:22.467
GOOD MOM AND DAD AND THEY'RE
DISAGREEING. THEY'RE GETTING.

00:40:22.567 --> 00:40:23.400
>> MARRIED.
>> A.

00:40:23.500 --> 00:40:25.500
>> LITTLE OPINION.
>> FINDING THEIR.

00:40:25.600 --> 00:40:27.233
>> STUFF OUT, AND IT'S LIKE.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONTROL

00:40:27.333 --> 00:40:28.766
ME, YOU JEZEBEL.
>> YEAH. YOU'RE LIKE.

00:40:28.866 --> 00:40:30.400
>> CALM DOWN.
>> YEAH, YOU'RE. SPIRIT-FILLED

00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:32.500
MOM AND DAD IS NOT A JEZEBEL,
BUT.

00:40:32.600 --> 00:40:34.333
>> THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO
DOMINATE YOUR LIFE.

00:40:34.433 --> 00:40:36.267
>> YOU KNOW.
>> MANY PEOPLE USE THAT WORD.

00:40:36.367 --> 00:40:38.467
>> YOU GOT.
>> TO QUALIFY WHAT THE

00:40:38.567 --> 00:40:42.166
SITUATION REALLY IS. DOES THAT
MAKE SENSE? ESPECIALLY WHEN

00:40:42.266 --> 00:40:46.300
YOU'RE TALKING TO YOUNGER
MARRIEDS. SO SOME GUY DOESN'T

00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:47.100
GET GUNG HO, AND YOU KNOW WHAT
I MEAN? GO, GO TEARING DOWN

00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:49.367
JEZEBEL'S STRONGHOLD.
>> WHEN.

00:40:49.467 --> 00:40:51.467
>> IT'S PASSIONATE, WHEN YOU'RE
YOUNG BUT. KIND OF SILLY. SO

00:40:51.567 --> 00:40:53.367
WISDOM.
>> YEAH, YEAH, IT'S GOT TO MAKE

00:40:53.467 --> 00:41:00.167
SENSE.
>> WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT

00:41:00.267 --> 00:41:03.200
YOU GUYS USE IN MARRIAGE TIMES
OR WAYS TO COMMUNICATE WHEN IF

00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.434
YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING
DIFFERENT IN YOUR PARTNER, YOU

00:41:05.534 --> 00:41:08.267
WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT
IN YOUR PARTNER, HOW DO YOU

00:41:08.367 --> 00:41:11.167
COMMUNICATE THOSE THINGS AND
HOW DO YOU DO IT IN A WAY

00:41:11.267 --> 00:41:13.367
THAT'S LOVING OR SAFE
ENVIRONMENT, SO YOU'RE NOT

00:41:13.467 --> 00:41:16.233
TRIGGERING THE PERSON INTO
THINKING LIKE, OH, I'M NOT

00:41:16.333 --> 00:41:20.266
DOING ENOUGH, OR.
>> I THINK NEITHER ONE OF US

00:41:20.366 --> 00:41:23.200
SUFFER IN SILENCE, RIGHT? IF WE
FEEL IT, WE SAY IT. WE'RE

00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:26.200
COMMUNICATORS, WE'RE PREACHERS.
BUT NOW WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING A

00:41:26.300 --> 00:41:29.200
CULTURE WHERE WE CAN BE PRETTY
HONEST WITH EACH OTHER FOR A

00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:32.333
LOT OF YEARS. 25 YEARS IN NOW.
SO EARLY.

00:41:32.433 --> 00:41:34.234
>> ON.
>> EVEN OUR STAFF, THEY LAUGH.

00:41:34.334 --> 00:41:37.234
THEY'LL BE LIKE, THEY'LL BE
AROUND US. AND WE'RE VERY LIKE,

00:41:37.334 --> 00:41:40.300
HONEST. LIKE TO US, IT'S NO BIG
DEAL. IT'S JUST HONEST, YOU

00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.500
KNOW, LIKE WE'RE JUST I'LL BE
LIKE, HEY, I DON'T LIKE THAT.

00:41:43.600 --> 00:41:45.267
AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, I DO. I'M
LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO.

00:41:45.367 --> 00:41:46.433
>> WHATEVER YOU WANT.
>> I'M LIKE.

00:41:46.533 --> 00:41:48.566
>> I'M.
>> JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.

00:41:48.666 --> 00:41:50.533
>> LIKE, I DISAGREE.
>> I'D RATHER PEOPLE BE HONEST.

00:41:50.633 --> 00:41:53.400
>> YEAH.
>> NOT ME. I'D RATHER THEM TALK

00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:55.533
TO ME THAN ABOUT ME. I'D JUST
RATHER HAVE THAT. BUT SOME

00:41:55.633 --> 00:41:58.333
PEOPLE AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH
THAT. SO WE DO HAVE TO TEMPER

00:41:58.433 --> 00:42:00.267
IT SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY'LL
SAY. THEY'LL SAY MOM AND DAD

00:42:00.367 --> 00:42:02.534
ARE FIGHTING.
>> MOM AND DAD ARE FIGHTING.

00:42:02.634 --> 00:42:03.633
>> MOM AND DAD ARE FIGHTING,
AND THEY'LL LAUGH. YOU'RE NOT

00:42:04.366 --> 00:42:06.367
FIGHTING BECAUSE THEY KNOW
THEY'VE.

00:42:06.467 --> 00:42:09.467
>> BEEN WITH US FOR 15 YEARS
AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A BLOW UP.

00:42:09.567 --> 00:42:12.500
YOU KNOW, LIKE, THEY KNOW IT'S
GOING TO BE FINE. BUT IT TOOK A

00:42:12.600 --> 00:42:15.433
LOT OF YEARS FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE
WE WOULD EVEN HAVE. WE WERE I

00:42:15.533 --> 00:42:19.500
WAS A YOUTH PASTOR WHEN WE
FIRST GOT MARRIED, AND HE

00:42:19.600 --> 00:42:21.600
RAN A BIBLE SCHOOL. AND
EARLY ON IN OUR MARRIAGE,

00:42:21.700 --> 00:42:24.400
WE WERE STILL REALLY YOUNG,
BUT WE ALREADY HAD THIS

00:42:24.500 --> 00:42:26.267
PRACTICE OF LIKE BEING VERY
HONEST WITH EACH OTHER. AND

00:42:26.367 --> 00:42:29.333
IT DOESN'T BOTHER US. WE'RE
BOTH A PERSONALITY WHERE

00:42:29.433 --> 00:42:32.267
THAT SOME SOME PEOPLE, THAT
WOULD BE MUCH HARDER. YOU

00:42:32.367 --> 00:42:34.500
KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE
SPIRIT TO TAKE THAT KIND OF

00:42:34.600 --> 00:42:37.500
LIKE THAT KIND OF DIRECT
COMMUNICATION. IT'S TOO HURTFUL.

00:42:37.600 --> 00:42:42.567
AND THEY DON'T LIKE THINGS IN
PUBLIC. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE

00:42:42.667 --> 00:42:46.433
TO KNOW YOUR SPOUSE. AND BUT I,
I THINK EARLY ON WE WOULD HAVE

00:42:46.533 --> 00:42:49.534
THESE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN
TEENAGERS IN OUR YOUTH GROUP

00:42:49.634 --> 00:42:51.434
WOULD JUST BE WATCHING, YOU
KNOW, LIKE AND THEN THEY WERE

00:42:51.534 --> 00:42:55.567
LIKE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT HAD

00:42:55.667 --> 00:42:58.633
HAPPENED IN THEIR HOUSE, IT HAD
BEEN FOLLOWED BY A HUGE FIGHT,

00:42:58.733 --> 00:43:01.533
VIOLENCE, LEAVING. IT
DIDN'T GO WELL, DIVORCE.

00:43:01.633 --> 00:43:03.500
AND THEN THEY WOULD WATCH
US BE LIKE, OKAY. AND THEN

00:43:03.600 --> 00:43:05.667
WE WOULD LIKE GET OUT OF
THE MCDONALD'S AND LIKE,

00:43:05.767 --> 00:43:07.700
HUG EACH OTHER AND LIKE, GO
ON ABOUT OUR BUSINESS. AND

00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.334
THEY SAID IT WAS THE ONLY
REASON THAT THEY GOT

00:43:12.434 --> 00:43:13.600
MARRIED, THAT WATCHING US
FIGHT CORRECTLY. YEAH.

00:43:13.700 --> 00:43:16.600
>> BECAUSE WE WEREN'T
DISAGREE. WE WEREN'T EVEN

00:43:16.700 --> 00:43:19.433
FIGHTING.
>> BUT SOME PEOPLE THINK IF

00:43:19.533 --> 00:43:23.334
YOU'RE HAVING A CONFLICT THAT
YOU HATE EACH OTHER, BUT FOR US,

00:43:23.434 --> 00:43:27.533
IT'S JUST WE'RE JUST DECIDING
WHERE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO

00:43:27.633 --> 00:43:30.400
WITH A DISAGREEMENT AND THERE'S
NOT GOING TO BE ANY ABUSE. IT'S

00:43:30.500 --> 00:43:33.400
NOT GOING TO BE VIOLENT. IT'S
NOT GOING TO BE ANY OF THAT. SO

00:43:33.500 --> 00:43:36.400
WE CAN HAVE IT IN FRONT OF
PEOPLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT

00:43:36.500 --> 00:43:39.567
LIKE IN A IN A WAY THAT WOULD
MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT

00:43:39.667 --> 00:43:42.500
IF YOU FIND MOST KIDS RIGHT NOW,
THEY'VE GROWN UP IN A SINGLE

00:43:42.600 --> 00:43:45.467
PARENT HOME, MOST OF THEM
HAVEN'T GROWN UP WITH THEIR

00:43:45.567 --> 00:43:48.400
ORIGINAL MOTHER AND FATHER. SO
ALL OF THAT'S VERY

00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:51.533
UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THEM, EVEN IF
IT'S THE MOST GENTLE

00:43:51.633 --> 00:43:54.500
CONVERSATION. SO WATCHING THAT
BE RESOLVED, I THINK A LOT OF

00:43:54.600 --> 00:43:56.533
TIMES PEOPLE ARE LIKE, NEVER
FIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR KIDS,

00:43:56.633 --> 00:43:59.433
AND I DISAGREE. I THINK THAT
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE A

00:43:59.533 --> 00:44:02.633
DISAGREEMENT IN FRONT OF YOUR
KIDS SO THAT THEY CAN ALSO SEE

00:44:02.733 --> 00:44:05.534
A RESOLUTION.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE TRY AND DO.

00:44:05.634 --> 00:44:09.400
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. AND
IF WE SIN, IF WE SIN AGAINST

00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:11.766
EACH OTHER IN FRONT OF WE HAVE
A RULE AT OUR HOUSE LIKE YOU

00:44:11.866 --> 00:44:14.700
APOLOGIZE AS LOUD AS YOU
OFFENDED. SO IF WE'RE GOING.

00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:18.433
>> TO.
>> IF WE, LIKE, OFFENDED

00:44:18.533 --> 00:44:20.433
EACH OTHER IN FRONT OF
EVERYBODY, THEN WE HAVE TO

00:44:20.533 --> 00:44:22.600
APOLOGIZE IN FRONT OF
EVERYBODY. THERE'S NO LIKE

00:44:22.700 --> 00:44:24.733
WHISPERING LIKE, HEY, SORRY
ABOUT THAT. LIKE, NO, YOU

00:44:24.833 --> 00:44:27.400
JUST CONFRONTED.
>> ME IN FRONT OF FIVE.

00:44:27.500 --> 00:44:28.433
>> PEOPLE REPENTANT.
>> AND WE DO LIKE DAD. I'M

00:44:28.533 --> 00:44:30.533
SORRY.
>> I SHOULDN'T.

00:44:30.633 --> 00:44:32.567
>> HAVE SAID.
>> I'M NOT PERFECT, I REPENT.

00:44:32.667 --> 00:44:35.467
PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
>> IT'S FUNNY, WHEN I REPENT TO

00:44:35.567 --> 00:44:37.500
MY THREE YEAR OLD, YOU KNOW.
>> IT'S LIKE. IT'S HILARIOUS. I

00:44:37.600 --> 00:44:42.467
FORGIVE YOU.
>> YOUR SINS ARE REMITTED, DAD.

00:44:42.567 --> 00:44:43.067
>> YEAH. RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW,
SHE THROWS HOLY WATER ON YOU.

00:44:43.167 --> 00:44:45.500
YEAH.
>> DIAPER.

00:44:45.600 --> 00:44:48.567
>> THERE'S SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT
THAT. KIDS KNOW THAT YOU CAN BE.

00:44:48.667 --> 00:44:51.700
YOU CAN MESS UP, BE RESTORED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIDE. YEAH.

00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.467
>> YEAH.
>> WELL, I HAVE A GOOD QUESTION

00:44:55.567 --> 00:44:57.700
ABOUT KIDS DISCIPLINE. SO WE
TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS

00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.766
A SECOND AGO. ALL THESE
DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF.

00:44:59.866 --> 00:45:02.533
>> IT SO HARD.
>> I'M ALWAYS LIKE, AM I DOING

00:45:02.633 --> 00:45:04.767
THE RIGHT THING?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT KIDS ARE

00:45:04.867 --> 00:45:08.800
WIRED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO
SOMETIMES THAT REQUIRES

00:45:08.900 --> 00:45:11.500
DIFFERENT FORMS OF DISCIPLINE.
BUT WE ARE CALLED TO RAISE OUR

00:45:11.600 --> 00:45:13.767
CHILDREN UP IN THE WAY THEY
SHOULD GO WHEN THEY DON'T

00:45:13.867 --> 00:45:16.667
ALWAYS KNOW HOW. LIKE MY THREE
YEAR OLD DOESN'T KNOW HE

00:45:16.767 --> 00:45:19.933
SHOULDN'T HIT THE ONE YEAR OLD
SHRED, RIGHT? LIKE HE THINKS

00:45:20.033 --> 00:45:22.866
LIKE, THIS IS COOL. SHE'S
SMALLER THAN ME.

00:45:22.966 --> 00:45:25.567
>> SO IT'S KIND.
>> OF LIKE, WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

00:45:25.667 --> 00:45:26.733
>> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
>> YEAH. SHE CAN'T CATCH. NOT

00:45:26.833 --> 00:45:28.500
MALICIOUS.
>> IT'S JUST CURIOUS.

00:45:28.600 --> 00:45:31.566
>> CAUSE AND EFFECT ARE A NEW
CONCEPT.

00:45:31.666 --> 00:45:33.633
>> WHAT DID YOU GUYS DO?
GROWING OR WHAT? HOW DID YOU

00:45:33.733 --> 00:45:37.533
GUYS NOT HOW WERE YOU
DISCIPLINED. WELL, WHATEVER

00:45:37.633 --> 00:45:41.700
THAT WAS. BUT HOW DID YOU GUYS
DISCIPLINE AS A UNIT? WHAT WAS

00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:46.534
YOUR WHAT WAS YOUR GREAT
SUCCESSES IN THAT AND GREAT

00:45:46.634 --> 00:45:49.500
FAILURES, IF THERE ARE ANY.
>> I'M THE LAW. BRIAN'S GRACE.

00:45:49.600 --> 00:45:52.633
>> THIS IS TRUE. I'M THE FUN
ONE.

00:45:52.733 --> 00:45:56.633
>> I'M MORE FUN. JESSE'S MORE
THE HAMMER AND THE LAW. I SEE

00:45:56.733 --> 00:45:59.700
THINGS THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS.
LIKE, SOMETIMES I'LL TELL JESSE,

00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.600
YOU KNOW, SHE WAS RAISED REAL
STRICT. SO I'LL BE LIKE, LISTEN,

00:46:02.700 --> 00:46:05.567
GOD'S NOT NEARLY AS MAD AT YOU
ABOUT EVERYTHING AS YOU THINK

00:46:05.667 --> 00:46:06.767
HE IS, AND SHE'LL ANSWER BACK.
WELL, HE'S NOT AS HAPPY WITH

00:46:06.867 --> 00:46:09.766
YOU.
>> ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU THINK

00:46:09.866 --> 00:46:12.967
HE IS, RIGHT? I'M NOT NEARLY AS
HAPPY AS YOU THINK. HE IS.

00:46:13.067 --> 00:46:15.834
>> LIKE. JESUS LOVES ME. BUT I
THINK WE WE LEARN PRETTY YOUNG

00:46:15.934 --> 00:46:19.700
TO BE A UNITED FRONT WITH OUR
KIDS. THAT'S SO. SO WE COME

00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.933
INTO AGREEMENT, SO THERE'S NO
TELLING MOM AND THEN WORKING

00:46:23.033 --> 00:46:25.800
DAD LIKE WE'RE A FRONT. WE'RE
THE TEAM. WE'RE. WE'RE TOGETHER

00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:28.767
TILL WE DIE. IT'S MY COVENANT
PARTNER, YOU KNOW, DON'T START

00:46:28.867 --> 00:46:33.567
ANY STUFF WITH EITHER ONE OF US
AND PLAY US AGAINST US. THAT'S

00:46:33.667 --> 00:46:36.967
CONSISTENT. I THINK IT'S GOT TO
A NO NO. I THINK YOU GOT TO BE

00:46:37.067 --> 00:46:39.833
BE LOVING. I THINK WE HAVE TO
TAKE AUTHORITY OVER OUR KIDS.

00:46:39.933 --> 00:46:43.634
RIGHT. GOD CHOSE ABRAHAM
BECAUSE HE WOULD COMMAND HIS

00:46:43.734 --> 00:46:46.600
CHILDREN. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT'S
WHY THE FATHER OF FAITH IS THE

00:46:46.700 --> 00:46:49.600
FATHER OF FAITH. HE WOULD TAKE
AUTHORITY. AND SOMETIMES I SEE

00:46:49.700 --> 00:46:53.900
A GROWN 35 YEAR OLD MAN THAT
WON'T TAKE AUTHORITY OVER A

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.800
THREE YEAR OLD. AND I'M LIKE,
OKAY, COME ON, COME ON. I GET.

00:46:56.900 --> 00:46:59.634
>> MY $1,000. IF I COULD FIND A
35 YEAR OLD MOM THAT COULD TAKE

00:46:59.734 --> 00:47:01.867
CONTROL OF A THREE YEAR. I MEAN,
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE IN PUBLIC.

00:47:01.967 --> 00:47:03.767
THERE'S NOBODY TAKING AUTHORITY
OVER THEIR AREA OF DOMINION

00:47:03.867 --> 00:47:05.800
ANYMORE.
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION. DON'T

00:47:05.900 --> 00:47:09.667
YOU THINK THAT THERE'S AN
AUTHORITY THAT THE HUSBAND

00:47:09.767 --> 00:47:11.034
CARRIES MORE THAN THE WIFE? OR
IT'S BETTER IF THE HUSBAND.

00:47:11.134 --> 00:47:12.867
>> YEAH, THERE'S A TIME FOR IT.
THERE'S A.

00:47:12.967 --> 00:47:15.934
>> TIME.
>> LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE A 15,

00:47:16.034 --> 00:47:18.100
WHEN YOUR BOYS ARE 15 AND 16
YEARS OLD, YOUR VOICE IS GOING

00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:20.800
TO BE EVERY. BECAUSE, I
MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT

00:47:20.900 --> 00:47:22.733
GETS A 15 YEAR OLD BOY TO
STOP IN HIS TRACKS, EXCEPT

00:47:22.833 --> 00:47:24.600
FOR.
>> THAT AT 13 YOUNG MALES

00:47:24.700 --> 00:47:26.867
START TRYING. MOM.
>> YEAH.

00:47:26.967 --> 00:47:29.700
>> 13. 14. THEY START TRYING,
MOM.

00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.767
>> THAT'S WEIRD.
>> THINGS THEY GOTTA YOU KNOW

00:47:31.867 --> 00:47:34.766
WHAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING INTO A
MAN. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE A

00:47:34.866 --> 00:47:37.667
LITTLE KID ANYMORE. THE TEST
STARTS FLOWING. LIFE STARTS

00:47:37.767 --> 00:47:39.034
CHANGING.
>> SHE'S THE THING IN THE WAY

00:47:39.134 --> 00:47:41.767
OF THEM BEING A MAN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

00:47:41.867 --> 00:47:44.900
>> BECAUSE SHE'S PROTECTING.
>> SHE'S HOLDING THEM BACK. SHE

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.900
WANTS TO KEEP THEM SAFE.
>> AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE.

00:47:48.734 --> 00:47:50.667
>> SAFE IS TO. OKAY, THIS KID'S
GOT TO LEARN TO TO WRECK AND

00:47:50.767 --> 00:47:53.833
NOT KILL HIMSELF, RIGHT?
WHATEVER. HE'S DRIVING BECAUSE

00:47:53.933 --> 00:47:56.934
BOYS ARE GOING TO BE ROUGH AND
TUMBLE. BUT THEN THEY THEY GOT

00:47:57.034 --> 00:48:01.800
TO HAVE DAD TO STOP FROM
CHALLENGING MOM BECAUSE DAD

00:48:01.900 --> 00:48:05.867
PROTECTS THE ENVIRONMENT AND HE
PROVIDES. SO I THINK JESSE AND

00:48:05.967 --> 00:48:07.800
I DID A GOOD JOB. NOT PERFECT
JOB. NO, I MEAN, I'VE SAID A

00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:09.966
MILLION THINGS I WISH I
WOULDN'T HAVE SAID AS.

00:48:10.066 --> 00:48:12.800
>> A PARENT. OH, GOSH.
>> RIGHT. I MEAN, I'M NOT ONE

00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:14.833
OF THESE GUYS THAT I WAS THE
PERFECT I'M NO JAMES DOBSON.

00:48:14.933 --> 00:48:17.833
>> WHO WENT ON TO BE WITH. THE
LORD, BLESS HIM.

00:48:17.933 --> 00:48:23.867
>> I WAS ON HIS SHOW ONCE,
WHICH WAS INCREDIBLE. ONE GREAT

00:48:23.967 --> 00:48:25.700
JAMES DOBSON PROPHESIED TO ME
ACCURATELY WOW, ON HIS SHOW ONE.

00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:27.967
>> TIME.
>> AND MY ATTORNEY SENT IT TO

00:48:28.067 --> 00:48:31.700
ME LAST WEEK WHEN DOBSON DIED.
LIKE, YOU REMEMBER DOBSON

00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.033
SAYING THAT? AND I'M LIKE, HOLY
MOLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST

00:48:34.133 --> 00:48:37.000
ACCURATE THINGS I'VE EVER HEARD.
>> BEAUTIFUL. SO, DOBSON.

00:48:37.100 --> 00:48:40.000
>> I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT,
THOUGH, HE IS ONE OF MY HEROES

00:48:40.100 --> 00:48:42.000
OF THE FAITH. AND AND THEN I
FOUND OUT HE ONLY HAD TWO KIDS.

00:48:42.100 --> 00:48:44.800
I'M LIKE, EVERYTHING IS OUT THE
WINDOW.

00:48:44.900 --> 00:48:47.000
>> WHAT'S UP? YOU SHOULD HAVE
20. I'M LIKE, I HAVE THREE.

00:48:47.100 --> 00:48:48.800
>> WHAT AM I GOING.
>> TO DO WITH A MAN THAT ONLY

00:48:48.900 --> 00:48:50.933
HAD TWO?
>> I KNOW WE'VE TEASED.

00:48:51.033 --> 00:48:53.767
>> ABOUT IT FOR YEARS. OF
COURSE HE WAS AWESOME, BUT. AND

00:48:53.867 --> 00:48:55.066
HIS KIDS ARE GREAT, BUT I, I.
LITERALLY TWO.

00:48:55.166 --> 00:48:56.867
>> TWO IS.
>> LIKE ANOTHER WORLD.

00:48:56.967 --> 00:48:58.966
>> TO.
>> YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. YOU'VE

00:48:59.066 --> 00:49:01.067
PASSED THAT NUMBER.
>> YEAH. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE

00:49:01.167 --> 00:49:02.833
HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.

00:49:02.933 --> 00:49:04.767
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT. YOU
KNOW.

00:49:04.867 --> 00:49:06.834
>> IF YOU'RE.
>> THINKING ABOUT IT.

00:49:06.934 --> 00:49:08.800
>> YOU'RE HALFWAY.
>> THERE LEARNING YOUR

00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:11.300
PARENTING STYLE.
>> WE'RE THINKING A LOT, RIGHT?

00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:13.866
>> YOU HAVE TO. RIGHT?
>> THINKING, DISCUSSING, ACTING.

00:49:13.966 --> 00:49:16.867
>> AND WE COMMUNICATE ABOUT
WE'RE REALLY GOOD ABOUT

00:49:16.967 --> 00:49:19.133
COMMUNICATING WITH ONE ANOTHER,
AND WE ALWAYS END UP ON THE

00:49:19.233 --> 00:49:22.800
SAME PAGE. OF COURSE, THE
HUSBAND GETS THE FINAL SAY THAT

00:49:22.900 --> 00:49:25.100
IS ACCURATE, RIGHT? YEAH. PUT
THIS OUT THERE. BECAUSE I THINK

00:49:25.200 --> 00:49:27.900
A LOT OF WOMEN IN TODAY'S
AGE, THEY WANT TO HAVE THE

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.800
FINAL SAY. BUT REALLY THE
HUSBAND HAS THE FINAL SAY.

00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:31.900
HE LISTENS TO THE WIFE, BUT
THE WIFE CAN'T RUN THE

00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.100
ROOST.
>> WELL, HE SOMEBODY HAS TO

00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:35.034
PULL THE TRIGGER NO MATTER
WHAT.

00:49:35.134 --> 00:49:37.100
>> THE TRIGGER.
>> PULLER, NO MATTER WHAT

00:49:37.200 --> 00:49:39.800
TEAM YOU'RE ON, THERE'S GOT
TO BE A QUARTERBACK. HE'S

00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:41.966
GOT TO CALL THE PLAYS. I
MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE.

00:49:42.066 --> 00:49:45.034
POSITION. AND WE ALL HAVE TO
EVERYBODY HAS TO KNOW THEIR

00:49:45.134 --> 00:49:47.833
WANT TO WIN MORE THAN WE THAN
WE THAN WE GET THAN WE WANT

00:49:47.933 --> 00:49:50.767
OURSELVES TO GET WHAT WE WANT,
LIKE TO GET TO DO WHATEVER WE

00:49:50.867 --> 00:49:53.933
WANT TO DO. AND I'VE HAD TO
LEARN THAT BECAUSE I WAS IN A

00:49:54.033 --> 00:49:55.900
FEMALE DOMINATED HOUSE AND
BRIAN WAS IN A MALE DOMINATED

00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.767
HOUSE.
>> GOD REALLY WERE RAISED

00:49:57.867 --> 00:50:01.833
OPPOSITE.
>> COMPLETE OPPOSITE. SO BUT

00:50:01.933 --> 00:50:03.934
FOR ME, THERE'S A JOY IN LIKE,
OH MY GOSH, YOU MEAN THAT? HE

00:50:04.034 --> 00:50:06.766
PULLS THE TRIGGER? AND THEN
WHEN WE STAND BEFORE THE LORD,

00:50:06.866 --> 00:50:07.866
HE ASKS HIM.
>> BECAUSE I'M LIKE.

00:50:07.966 --> 00:50:09.033
>> WE'RE GOING TO.
>> DO IT.

00:50:09.133 --> 00:50:11.934
>> HAVE IT EASIER.
>> YEAH.

00:50:12.034 --> 00:50:15.800
>> AND I MIGHT EVEN DISAGREE
WITH HIM WHEN WE'RE IN OUR ROOM.

00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:19.833
BUT WHEN WE COME OUT, WE GO OUT
IN FRONT OF OUR KIDS. WE'RE IN

00:50:19.933 --> 00:50:24.100
ONE ACCORD. WE'RE I'M BACK IN
HIS PLAY. AND THEN IF IT WINS,

00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.733
I GO, WOW, WE WON. AND IF IT
LOSES, I GO. ME AND DAD DIDN'T

00:50:27.833 --> 00:50:32.733
MAKE THE BEST DECISION. I NEVER
LIKE THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS,

00:50:32.833 --> 00:50:34.834
BECAUSE I THINK YOUR KIDS NEED
TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS ALL BOTH

00:50:34.934 --> 00:50:36.800
OF YOU. AND YOU'LL APPRECIATE
THAT WHEN.

00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:39.066
>> YOU GET.
>> LISTEN.

00:50:39.166 --> 00:50:42.933
>> YOU'LL BE LIKE, MOM DIDN'T
TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY.

00:50:43.033 --> 00:50:45.900
>> SHE TOLD ME THAT YOU WENT IN
TO DISCIPLINE HER AND THAT WHAT

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.800
YOU WENT IN TO DO, YOU SAID,
WE'RE GOING TO ACT LIKE WE DID

00:50:48.900 --> 00:50:50.833
IT. BUT DON'T TELL MOM.
>> AND SHE'S.

00:50:50.933 --> 00:50:52.767
>> 13 NOW.
>> I'M GETTING SOFTER.

00:50:52.867 --> 00:50:53.967
>> IN MY OLDER.
>> YEARS, RIGHT? I'M MOVED.

00:50:54.067 --> 00:50:55.034
ALMOST LIKE I'M.
>> DEAD MEAT.

00:50:55.134 --> 00:50:58.134
>> SO BAD.
>> YOU KNOW?

00:50:58.234 --> 00:50:59.800
>> SO I.
>> HEAR THAT HAPPENS AS YOU,

00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:02.167
ESPECIALLY WITH THE YOUNGER.
IT'S NOT.

00:51:02.267 --> 00:51:04.133
>> AS SHE'S THE BABY LIGHTER.
>> YEAH, 100%.

00:51:04.233 --> 00:51:05.867
>> SHE KNOCKED YOU OUT.
>> ALL OF OUR CHILDREN HAD

00:51:05.967 --> 00:51:08.033
DIFFERENT PARENTS, RIGHT? WITH
THE.

00:51:08.133 --> 00:51:11.833
>> FIRST ONE. WE WERE SO STRICT.
THAT IS.

00:51:11.933 --> 00:51:13.000
>> YOU GOT THIS KID. YOU DON'T
KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO SCREW

00:51:13.100 --> 00:51:14.900
IT UP OR NOT. YOU'RE, LIKE, ALL
TERRIFIED ABOUT IT.

00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.100
>> SO SCARY.
>> DID YOU FIGURE OUT, HEY,

00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:19.800
THEY'RE THEY'RE PRETTY TOUGH.
THEY SURVIVE A LOT OF STUFF.

00:51:19.900 --> 00:51:21.934
AND BY THE THIRD ONE, YOU'RE
LIKE, YEAH, THE LORD, THE LORD

00:51:22.034 --> 00:51:23.033
WILL RAISE YOU. I'LL, YOU KNOW,
I'LL BE THERE AT YOUR

00:51:23.133 --> 00:51:24.966
GRADUATION.
>> DO YOURSELF.

00:51:25.066 --> 00:51:27.800
>> A FAVOR. AND WITH YOUR
OLDEST ONE, LET SOME THINGS GO,

00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:29.800
EVEN IF YOU THINK THEY'RE A
HUGE DEAL. AND WITH YOUR BABY,

00:51:29.900 --> 00:51:32.834
REMEMBER TO GET IN THE GAME.
>> YEAH.

00:51:32.934 --> 00:51:36.167
>> I THINK WOMEN AS A WHOLE,
THOUGH, MAKE MOST MEN BETTER.

00:51:36.267 --> 00:51:39.833
PARENTS LIKE JESSE CARED. JESSE
RESEARCHED. I'M LIKE, THEY'RE

00:51:39.933 --> 00:51:41.434
KIDS. THEY'RE LIKE DOGS OR COWS.
THEY'RE GOING TO GROW UP.

00:51:41.534 --> 00:51:43.067
THEY'LL BE FINE.
>> AND SHE'S.

00:51:43.167 --> 00:51:46.100
>> OBSESSING ABOUT THESE THINGS.
>> YEAH.

00:51:46.200 --> 00:51:48.866
>> SO HER OBSESSION.
>> PUT ONIONS IN THEIR SOCKS.

00:51:48.966 --> 00:51:52.033
I'M LIKE, WHATEVER, YOU DO IT.
>> YEAH, 100%.

00:51:52.133 --> 00:51:55.000
>> I THINK THAT'S GOD'S DIVINE
DESIGN. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I

00:51:55.100 --> 00:51:57.100
MEAN? TO MAKE YOU BETTER.
THEY'RE OBSESSIVE. IT MAKES YOU

00:51:57.200 --> 00:52:01.966
BETTER.
>> BIG PICTURE DETAILS. YEAH.

00:52:02.066 --> 00:52:04.267
AND YOU GUIDE I FOLLOW BECAUSE,
I MEAN, HE MAKES A LOT OF

00:52:04.367 --> 00:52:07.000
THINGS EASY. THERE'S A LOT OF
THINGS I DON'T HAVE TO THINK

00:52:07.100 --> 00:52:09.167
ABOUT BECAUSE HE'S LEADING. AND
SO I CAN'T OBSESS BECAUSE HE'S

00:52:09.267 --> 00:52:11.967
HANDLING OTHER STUFF.
>> YEAH. WITH KIDS Y'ALL'S AGE,

00:52:12.067 --> 00:52:16.133
THESE WERE THE THINGS OUR
PASTORS HAMMERED WITH US.

00:52:16.233 --> 00:52:20.034
NUMBER ONE WAS, I'M LOOKING FOR
A MAN THAT CAN TAKE AUTHORITY

00:52:20.134 --> 00:52:22.866
OVER A THREE YEAR OLD. HE WOULD
SAY THAT A LOT AND MAKE THE

00:52:22.966 --> 00:52:25.900
TABLES UNCOMFORTABLE.
>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.100
>> BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD LET
KIDS JUST RUN ROUGHSHOD, LIKE,

00:52:28.200 --> 00:52:31.000
YOU'RE IN A RESTAURANT AND
THERE'S PEOPLE OUT SPENDING

00:52:31.100 --> 00:52:33.867
THEIR MONEY TO EAT, AND SOME
KIDS JUST GOING WILD AND

00:52:33.967 --> 00:52:36.400
NOBODY'S TENDING TO IT.
>> AND IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT

00:52:36.500 --> 00:52:39.133
THE KID'S PROBLEM. BECAUSE
THEY'RE LITTLE, BUT IT'S THE

00:52:39.233 --> 00:52:41.333
ADULT'S PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY
WON'T GET UP AND PHYSICALLY

00:52:41.433 --> 00:52:43.933
REMOVE THE CHILD AND WALK THEM
OUT TO THE SIDEWALK UNTIL THEY

00:52:44.033 --> 00:52:46.133
GET CALMED DOWN AND LOVE THEM.
>> RIGHT.

00:52:46.233 --> 00:52:48.934
>> IT'S OUR JOB TO TAKE
AUTHORITY OVER THAT SITUATION,

00:52:49.034 --> 00:52:52.000
NOT THE CHILD'S JOB TO
EMOTIONALLY REGULATE THEMSELVES.

00:52:52.100 --> 00:52:56.033
>> IT STARTS AT THAT AGE, AND
THEN IT TRICKLES INTO THE REST

00:52:56.133 --> 00:52:59.900
OF THE KID'S LIFE. SECOND THING
HE WAS BIG ON IS IS AND HE

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:04.100
TAUGHT US THIS PASTOR BILL
SHEER GUTS CHURCH, TULSA,

00:53:04.200 --> 00:53:09.334
OKLAHOMA. SO HE WOULD SAY THIS
LIKE A KIDS OUT OF LINE. WE GOT

00:53:09.434 --> 00:53:13.033
THIS. IT WAS IF AN ADULT SAYS
NO, RIGHT. IF YOU SAY NO, IF

00:53:13.133 --> 00:53:16.134
WE'D SAY THIS TO OUR KIDS 100
TIMES BACK IN A DAY, IF AN

00:53:16.234 --> 00:53:19.067
ADULT SAYS NO, WHAT DO YOU DO?
AND THEY WOULD SAY, DROP IT.

00:53:19.167 --> 00:53:21.100
YOU KNOW, A KID WILL ASK YOU
AND ASK YOU AND.

00:53:21.200 --> 00:53:23.933
>> ASK YOU.
>> OH, IT'S SO ANNOYING, RIGHT?

00:53:24.033 --> 00:53:27.100
>> KEEP COMING AT YOU. ON THE
SAME TOPIC. THERE'S GOT TO BE A

00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:30.167
PUT THAT INTO US. IF AN ADULT
TIME YOUR WORD MATTERS. AND HE

00:53:30.267 --> 00:53:33.933
SAYS NO, YOU DROP IT. THERE WAS
A THIRD THING WE USED BACK THEN

00:53:34.033 --> 00:53:35.033
THAT WE LEARNED FROM ANOTHER
PASTOR. HE HAD LIKE HE HAD A

00:53:35.133 --> 00:53:37.100
TRIBE OF KIDS.
>> YES, HE.

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:39.133
>> DID RIGHT. WE WORKED WITH
HIM UP ABOVE KANSAS.

00:53:39.233 --> 00:53:41.233
>> CITY.
>> 6 OR 7, I THINK.

00:53:41.333 --> 00:53:42.300
>> AND NOW WE'RE TALKING.
>> YEAH. A GUY I CAN LEARN.

00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.233
>> FROM THAT GUY.
>> YEAH.

00:53:44.333 --> 00:53:46.134
>> HE HAD A TRIBE. WE WERE
NEWLY.

00:53:46.234 --> 00:53:48.000
>> MARRIED, AND HE.
>> WAS KIND. YOU KNOW HOW

00:53:48.100 --> 00:53:50.000
SOME PEOPLE ARE, LIKE,
SUPER DOMINANT, LIKE OVER

00:53:50.100 --> 00:53:51.400
THE TOP AND, LIKE, THEIR
KIDS DON'T TALK AND THEY

00:53:51.500 --> 00:53:52.333
LOOK TERRIFIED. I DON'T
WANT THOSE KIDS. THAT'S NOT

00:53:52.433 --> 00:53:54.100
WHO.
>> I DON'T WANT.

00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:55.267
>> TO BREAK.
>> THEIR SPIRIT. YEAH.

00:53:55.367 --> 00:53:57.200
>> I.
>> WANT THEM TO HAVE SO

00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:59.133
MUCH SPIRIT. RIGHT.
>> BUT HE WOULD POINT

00:53:59.233 --> 00:54:01.167
THEY'D BE DOING SOMETHING. HE
WOULD. THEY KNEW THEY WERE

00:54:01.267 --> 00:54:03.133
DOING SOMETHING WRONG. RIGHT?
YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE RUNNING

00:54:03.233 --> 00:54:06.067
AROUND CLIMBING A WALL OR
SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED

00:54:06.167 --> 00:54:10.033
TO BE DOING? HE'D POINT AND HE
WOULD SAY, HE WOULDN'T SAY A

00:54:10.133 --> 00:54:15.267
THEN HE POINTED HIS HEART AND
WORD. HE POINTED HIS EAR, AND

00:54:15.367 --> 00:54:19.034
IT MEANT LISTEN AND OBEY. AND
WHEREVER THAT MAN WAS, HE COULD

00:54:19.134 --> 00:54:22.067
DO IT. HE'D GET MY ATTENTION
AFTER I KNEW WHAT HE'S DOING.

00:54:22.167 --> 00:54:24.333
HE'S A HE WAS A MAN. BUT IT'S
LIKE, LISTEN AND OBEY. AND I

00:54:24.433 --> 00:54:28.134
PARENTING. WE'RE TRAINING THEM
THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT

00:54:28.234 --> 00:54:31.067
TO LEARN, TO LISTEN AND TO OBEY
THE VOICE OF GOD, BECAUSE IT'S

00:54:31.167 --> 00:54:33.000
NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE OUR
VOICE. IT'S OUR VOICE FOR A

00:54:33.100 --> 00:54:34.333
SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S
GOD'S VOICE FOR.

00:54:34.433 --> 00:54:36.333
>> THE REST.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S

00:54:36.433 --> 00:54:38.333
IMPORTANT PEOPLE FORGET THAT
THAT THAT'S WHY IT'S

00:54:38.433 --> 00:54:41.234
IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO
LISTEN, NOT BECAUSE YOU

00:54:41.334 --> 00:54:43.367
WANT THEM TO OBEY. I TELL
MY KIDS ALL THE TIME, I'M

00:54:43.467 --> 00:54:46.067
NOT GOING TO BE ANYWHERE
YOU ARE IN A FEW YEARS, AND

00:54:46.167 --> 00:54:49.066
YOU'RE GOING TO NEVER HEAR
MY VOICE EXCEPT FOR WHEN

00:54:49.166 --> 00:54:52.167
YOU WHEN WE SEE EACH OTHER.
BUT GOD'S VOICE WILL ALWAYS

00:54:52.267 --> 00:54:55.133
BE THERE. I'M JUST THE
PRACTICE ROUND FOR GOD. AND

00:54:55.233 --> 00:54:57.234
IF YOU CAN HEAR MY VOICE
AND OBEY IT, THEN YOU CAN

00:54:57.334 --> 00:54:59.133
HEAR GOD'S VOICE AND OBEY
IT. I'LL TELL YOU THIS

00:54:59.233 --> 00:55:01.300
STORY. IT WILL MAKE YOU
FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOUR

00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:03.433
PARENTING. MY SON, WE WERE
IN CHURCH ONE NIGHT AND

00:55:03.533 --> 00:55:06.166
WE'RE PASTORS, YOU KNOW, SO
WE WERE PREACHING AND

00:55:06.266 --> 00:55:10.067
MINISTERING TO PEOPLE IN
THE ALTAR. MY MY SON WAS

00:55:10.167 --> 00:55:14.067
FOUR YEARS OLD. WE'RE IN
THIS 40 FOOT TALL SANCTUARY

00:55:14.167 --> 00:55:16.200
AND ONE OF THE ONE OF HIS
BUDDIES THAT WAS THERE.

00:55:16.300 --> 00:55:19.367
ANOTHER PREACHER'S KID, OF
COURSE, WAS SAYING TO HIM,

00:55:19.467 --> 00:55:23.066
HEY, WOULDN'T IT BE FUN IF
WE IF WE WENT AND GOT ON

00:55:23.166 --> 00:55:26.300
THEATER CURTAIN THAT WENT UP
THAT CURTAIN? IT WAS A HUGE

00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:29.134
40FT IN THE AIR. AND MY SON WAS
STRONG. HE WAS ALWAYS IN THE

00:55:29.234 --> 00:55:33.200
TREES CLIMBING. WE WERE FROM
KENTUCKY. HE PLAYED OUTSIDE ALL

00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:35.433
THE TIME. HE WAS JUST TOUGH AS
COULD BE. AND HE GOES, YEAH,

00:55:35.533 --> 00:55:38.133
WELL, THEY STARTED LIFTING THAT
THEATER CURTAIN UP BECAUSE

00:55:38.233 --> 00:55:40.234
CHURCH WAS OVER. THEY WERE
GOING TO START CLEANING THE

00:55:40.334 --> 00:55:44.133
SANCTUARY, AND THAT THEATER
CURTAIN STARTED GOING UP AND I

00:55:44.233 --> 00:55:47.167
SAW MY SON SPRINTING. WELL,
I'M IN THE ALTAR. I CAN'T

00:55:47.267 --> 00:55:51.133
GET TO HIM. AND I KNOW HE
CAN GRAB HOLD OF THIS THING.

00:55:51.233 --> 00:55:53.167
AND HE LITERALLY GRABS IT,
AND HE RIDES IT UP TO ABOUT

00:55:53.267 --> 00:55:55.233
15FT IN THE AIR, AND HIS
LITTLE BODY.

00:55:55.333 --> 00:55:57.267
>> IS JUST.
>> DANGLING, AND THE WHOLE

00:55:57.367 --> 00:56:02.200
CHURCH.
>> IS, OH, LIKE THIS. AND I

00:56:02.300 --> 00:56:05.433
GO, JUSTICE.
>> WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT LET

00:56:05.533 --> 00:56:07.233
GO, BECAUSE I'M THINKING WE CAN
GET A LADDER. WE CAN GET TO HIM

00:56:07.333 --> 00:56:08.433
LIKE THEY'VE.
>> STOPPED THE CURTAIN.

00:56:08.533 --> 00:56:12.167
>> HE'S FOUR.
>> WOW.

00:56:12.267 --> 00:56:15.300
>> AND THAT IS TERRIBLE.
>> I WAS. MAYBE FIVE I.

00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.300
>> LITTLE AND I AM THINKING,
DEAR JESUS, IF HE DROPS FROM

00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.167
THERE, HE IS GOING. EVERY BONE
IN HIS BODY IS GOING TO CRUMBLE,

00:56:21.267 --> 00:56:23.300
YOU KNOW. AND SO I'M STANDING
UNDER HIM AND I'M THINKING, I

00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.333
JUST NEED TO STAY CALM, MY
VOICE CALM. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE

00:56:26.433 --> 00:56:30.200
DOING ALL THE PARENTING THINGS.
AND HE LOOKS AT ME AND LIKE A

00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:34.134
LITTLE JUST CRAZY KID. HE GOES,
AND HE LETS GO.

00:56:34.234 --> 00:56:35.366
>> NOW HIS.
>> BODY DROPS AND THE WHOLE

00:56:35.466 --> 00:56:39.233
SANCTUARY.
>> YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS.

00:56:39.333 --> 00:56:41.367
>> AND HE JUMPS AND LANDS JUST
LIKE A.

00:56:41.467 --> 00:56:44.267
>> CAT POPPED.
>> UP AND RAN OFF AND PLAYED

00:56:44.367 --> 00:56:47.333
WITH HIS FRIENDS. AND I THOUGHT,
OH, JESUS. AND I'LL TELL YOU

00:56:47.433 --> 00:56:50.267
THIS, WHEN OUR KIDS WERE SUPER
YOUNG, I WOULD SAY, GOD, I

00:56:50.367 --> 00:56:53.467
WOULD JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT A
LOT OF THINGS AND I WOULD BE

00:56:53.567 --> 00:56:57.300
TOO ANXIOUS AND I WOULD THINK
ABOUT IT. AND THEN GOD SHOWED

00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.533
ME THAT HE WOULD ASSIGN AN
ANGEL TO MY CHILDREN, THAT EACH

00:56:59.633 --> 00:57:02.567
ONE OF THEM, THAT THEY WOULD
REPORT TO THE THRONE ROOM OF

00:57:02.667 --> 00:57:07.267
HEAVEN FOR MY KIDS. IF I WOULD
ASK GOD TO, TO PROTECT THEM,

00:57:07.367 --> 00:57:09.700
THAT HE WOULD ASSIGN PROTECTION
TO THEM. AND SO I WOULD SEND

00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.300
THAT WITH THEM. AND THAT DAY, I
MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.267
DO. THERE ARE SOME THINGS,
THERE'S JUST NOTHING YOU CAN DO.

00:57:15.367 --> 00:57:18.334
AND YOUR KIDS HAVE TO TRY. THEY
HAVE TO PUSH THE BOUNDARIES.

00:57:18.434 --> 00:57:21.300
THEY HAVE TO LIVE. AND IN THIS
DAY AND AGE, YOU KNOW, KIDS

00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.467
USED TO LEAVE AND COME BACK AT
DINNER TIME WHEN THEIR MOM

00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:26.333
YELLED FOR THEM. BUT NOW WE
WATCH EVERYTHING AND WE'RE

00:57:26.433 --> 00:57:29.234
INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING. AND I
DO THINK IT'S HARMFUL IN SOME

00:57:29.334 --> 00:57:31.367
WAYS. I THINK THERE'S PLACES
WHERE AS LONG AS OUR BOYS ARE

00:57:31.467 --> 00:57:34.367
DOING DANGEROUS THINGS AND OUR
GIRLS ARE DOING DANGEROUS

00:57:34.467 --> 00:57:37.467
THINGS IN A, YOU KNOW, THAT
WASN'T SAFE WHAT HE WAS DOING.

00:57:37.567 --> 00:57:40.467
I NEEDED THE ANGELS THAT DAY TO
PROTECT HIM. BUT WE HAVE TO

00:57:40.567 --> 00:57:44.367
ALLOW OUR KIDS SOME FREEDOM TO
LIVE AND TO LEARN AND THEIR

00:57:44.467 --> 00:57:46.600
KIND OF IMPACT IT CAN TAKE AND
BODIES TO LEARN. WHAT CAN WHAT

00:57:46.700 --> 00:57:50.333
WHAT THEIR MINDS, WHAT KIND OF
IMPACT IT CAN TAKE. BECAUSE

00:57:50.433 --> 00:57:52.433
WHEN YOU ALLOW A CHILD TO GET
HIT, TO GET HURT, TO GET INTO

00:57:52.533 --> 00:57:55.434
FIGHTS WITH THEIR FRIENDS, TO
ALL THAT STUFF, AND YOU DON'T

00:57:55.534 --> 00:57:58.333
BREAK IT ALL APART. WHAT YOU
BUILD IN THEM IS EMPATHY. AND

00:57:58.433 --> 00:58:02.300
THAT CAN ONLY BE LEARNED
THROUGH EXPERIENCE. AND WHEN

00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.366
YOU ALLOW A KID TO HAVE THOSE
HITS IN LIFE, YOU'RE ALLOWING

00:58:05.466 --> 00:58:08.367
THEM TO BECOME AN EMPATHETIC
ADULT. AND THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

00:58:08.467 --> 00:58:10.767
THAT MAKES A GOOD SPOUSE,
THAT MAKES A GOOD FRIEND,

00:58:10.867 --> 00:58:14.500
THAT MAKES A LOT OF THINGS.
YOU CAN'T INSTILL EMPATHY

00:58:14.600 --> 00:58:17.333
IN A KID WITHOUT LIFE
EXPERIENCE. AND A LOT OF

00:58:17.433 --> 00:58:20.534
PEOPLE, THOSE PSYCHOPATHS
THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT,

00:58:20.634 --> 00:58:23.500
THAT THAT SOCIOPATH THAT WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT, THEY

00:58:23.600 --> 00:58:26.466
DID THEY DON'T HAVE THAT
LEVEL OF EMPATHY. AND IT'S

00:58:26.566 --> 00:58:29.433
BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE GUARDED
THEM FROM EXPERIENCING LIFE.

00:58:29.533 --> 00:58:31.500
AND WE DO WANT OUR KIDS NOT
TO BE HURT, BUT WE TAKE IT

00:58:31.600 --> 00:58:33.466
SOMETIMES TO THE POINT
WHERE WE DON'T LET THEM

00:58:33.566 --> 00:58:35.500
EXPERIENCE THE LIFE THAT
GOD'S GIVEN FOR THEM.

00:58:35.600 --> 00:58:37.367
>> THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S A
GOOD PLACE TO END ON.

00:58:37.467 --> 00:58:39.400
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY LAST
THOUGHTS.

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>> NO.
>> NO, I MEAN, THAT WAS AWESOME.

00:58:42.634 --> 00:58:43.800
I KNOW WE WERE JUST GOING TO
TALK ABOUT MARRIAGE, BUT I LOVE

00:58:43.900 --> 00:58:45.633
TALKING ABOUT PARENTING TOO,
BECAUSE IT'S SO INTERTWINED.

00:58:45.733 --> 00:58:46.533
>> AND WE'RE IN THE.
>> THICK OF IT RIGHT NOW, YOU

00:58:46.633 --> 00:58:48.433
KNOW?
>> YEAH.

00:58:48.533 --> 00:58:50.633
>> NOT THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST
IN A.

00:58:50.733 --> 00:58:53.467
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THINK
ABOUT IT. I SAID THAT TO

00:58:53.567 --> 00:58:55.700
SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY. I WAS
LIKE, WE'RE IN THE THICK OF IT

00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.500
WITH THE ONE YEAR OLD, THREE
YEAR OLD AND FIVE YEAR OLD.

00:58:58.600 --> 00:59:01.400
HE'S LIKE, OH NO, I HAVE A
FRESHMAN AND A SEVENTH GRADER

00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:03.466
I'M IN THE THICK OF IT, SO I
AND A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL.

00:59:03.566 --> 00:59:04.733
THINK EVERYONE THINKS THEY'RE
IN THE THICK OF IT.

00:59:04.833 --> 00:59:06.767
>> IT CHANGES.
>> THE THICK. LASTS A LONG TIME.

00:59:06.867 --> 00:59:09.733
YEAH, EXACTLY.
>> WHERE Y'ALL ARE IS CRAZY

00:59:09.833 --> 00:59:11.600
TOWN. I THINK IT'S CRAZY IN A
WAY, BUT YOU GOT A LITTLE MORE

00:59:11.700 --> 00:59:15.600
CONTROL, RIGHT? THE GUY WITH
THE HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE AGE,

00:59:15.700 --> 00:59:19.534
HE. YOU KNOW, IT'S ON THEM A
LOT. SOME OF IT'S ON HIM. A LOT

00:59:19.634 --> 00:59:22.566
OF IT'S ON THEM NOW. IT'S A
DIFFERENT TYPE OF FAITH. RIGHT.

00:59:22.666 --> 00:59:26.567
BUT I'LL SAY THIS. IF I COULD
DO ANYTHING OVER, THE ONLY

00:59:26.667 --> 00:59:27.600
THING I REALLY REGRET IN MY
WHOLE LIFE IS I WISH I'D HAVE

00:59:27.700 --> 00:59:30.700
HAD MORE.
>> YEAH.

00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:32.600
WHAT I MEAN? AND NOW THEY'RE
>> I GOT THREE KIDS, YOU KNOW

00:59:32.700 --> 00:59:34.600
GROWING UP.
>> THE ONLY THING WE CHANGE.

00:59:34.700 --> 00:59:38.367
EVEN THE BAD STUFF. IT'S THE
ONLY THING I WOULD CHANGE.

00:59:38.467 --> 00:59:42.433
>> WHEN YOU WALK IN NOW WITH,
WELL, GOD, SPIRIT EMPOWERED,

00:59:42.533 --> 00:59:45.334
TRAINED KIDS. LIKE WE WALK IN
AS A FAMILY NOW AND IT'S LIKE

00:59:45.434 --> 00:59:48.434
THERE'S A STRENGTH TO IT. LIKE
WE CAN TAKE OVER. YOU'RE

00:59:48.534 --> 00:59:53.333
STARTING TO SEE WHAT YOUR KIDS
CAN RUN AND DO AND PRODUCE. AND

00:59:53.433 --> 00:59:55.534
IT'S LIKE, THIS IS WHAT'S TAKEN
OVER THE EARTH WHEN I'M GONE.

00:59:55.634 --> 00:59:58.467
SO DON'T LET THE CRAZINESS, YOU
KNOW WHAT I MEAN? TAKE AWAY

00:59:58.567 --> 00:59:59.734
WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING BECAUSE
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LONG. TEN

00:59:59.834 --> 01:00:02.600
YEARS. YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT
GAME.

01:00:02.700 --> 01:00:08.333
>> OH NO. IT'S IT'S IT'S A
TOTAL GAME CHANGER. AND THEY'RE

01:00:08.433 --> 01:00:13.433
THE IT'S LIKE THE JOY OF LIFE.
LIKE EVERYTHING YOU BUILD WITH

01:00:13.533 --> 01:00:16.333
YOUR HANDS. THERE'S SOME
THERE'S SOMETHING FROM IT. EVEN

01:00:16.433 --> 01:00:20.500
CHURCH AND MINISTRY, THERE'S
SOMETHING FROM IT. BUT IT IS

01:00:20.600 --> 01:00:24.400
NOT LIKE WHAT YOU BUILD WITH
YOUR BODY IS GAME CHANGING,

01:00:24.500 --> 01:00:28.366
LIKE WHAT YOU PRODUCE THROUGH
THE FRUIT OF YOUR BODY. AND IF

01:00:28.466 --> 01:00:31.400
YOU GET IN THE GAME AND LIKE, I
THINK THE BIGGEST THING PARENTS,

01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:34.400
THEY'RE SO DISTRACTED RIGHT NOW,
THEY DON'T PHYSICALLY GET UP

01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:37.467
AND MOVE THEIR BODY TO THAT
CHILD. SO THEY'RE JUST

01:00:37.567 --> 01:00:40.500
CONSTANTLY GIVING LIKE A VERBAL
CUE. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIKE

01:00:40.600 --> 01:00:42.700
I WATCH YOUNG PARENTS. AND WE
WERE TEMPTED BECAUSE WE WERE SO

01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.567
TIRED. WE WERE LIKE BUILDING A
CHURCH AND OUR WHOLE BODY JUST

01:00:45.667 --> 01:00:49.367
WANTED. AND WE MADE OURSELVES
GET UP AND WE WERE SO EXHAUSTED.

01:00:49.467 --> 01:00:53.000
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
REASONS WE DIDN'T PUSH TO HAVE

01:00:53.100 --> 01:00:56.467
MORE KIDS. AND I, BECAUSE WE
WERE FULLY ENGAGED, RAISING

01:00:56.567 --> 01:00:59.467
THEM LIKE WE WOULD GET UP AND
MOVE AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE THEIR

01:00:59.567 --> 01:01:01.567
BODY AND HELP THEM AND GET IN
AT THEIR EYE LEVEL AND DO ALL,

01:01:01.667 --> 01:01:02.866
YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY
COMMITTED TO THAT FORM OF

01:01:02.966 --> 01:01:06.600
PARENTING.
>> YOU WERE INTENTIONAL.

01:01:06.700 --> 01:01:09.667
AND I'M LIKE, MAN, I JUST WISH
>> YES. AND I, I, I SEE IT NOW

01:01:09.767 --> 01:01:13.433
SO BAD THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD
MORE OF THEM, EVEN THOUGH AT

01:01:13.533 --> 01:01:17.400
THE TIME I THOUGHT IF WE HAVE
ANY MORE, I MIGHT NOT WAKE UP

01:01:17.500 --> 01:01:19.733
TOMORROW. BUT THEY'RE THE
THEY'RE THE GREATEST JOY. AND

01:01:19.833 --> 01:01:22.400
YOU WATCH WHAT YOU'VE TRAINED
THEM. YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY

01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:24.566
REMEMBERED. AND THEN ALL OF A
SUDDEN THEY START LIVING IT

01:01:24.666 --> 01:01:27.533
AND IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU
AND YOU'RE LIKE, I DIDN'T

01:01:27.633 --> 01:01:29.600
EVEN KNOW THEY KNEW. I SAID
THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE

01:01:29.700 --> 01:01:32.533
RESPONDING TO TO OTHER
PEOPLE WITH THE SAME STUFF

01:01:32.633 --> 01:01:34.433
AND LIVING OUT THEIR LIFE,
EVEN WHEN THEY'RE MAKING

01:01:34.533 --> 01:01:36.500
BIG MISTAKES, IT'S STILL
FUN.

01:01:36.600 --> 01:01:38.633
>> I HAVE A.
>> FRIEND TO WATCH.

01:01:38.733 --> 01:01:40.733
>> THE PHONE WITH JUST
BEFORE THIS TODAY, AND THEY

01:01:40.833 --> 01:01:43.467
JUST DROVE UP TO SEATTLE
WITH THEIR KIDS AND I WAS

01:01:43.567 --> 01:01:45.533
LIKE, SO DO YOU GUYS HAVE
THE SPRINTER VAN NOW?

01:01:45.633 --> 01:01:47.667
BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIX? AND
HE'S LIKE, NO. WE WENT

01:01:47.767 --> 01:01:49.634
AHEAD AND GOT A SCHOOL BUS
AND THEY HAVE A SCHOOL BUS.

01:01:49.734 --> 01:01:51.467
>> HE'S GOT THE BUS.
>> ON THE BUS.

01:01:51.567 --> 01:01:53.467
>> HE WENT ALL IN.
>> YEAH.

01:01:53.567 --> 01:01:54.734
>> I LOVE IT.
>> THAT'S I DON'T EVEN.

01:01:54.834 --> 01:01:57.534
YEAH. SPRINTER VAN MIGHT
NOT HOLD THEM ALL.

01:01:57.634 --> 01:02:01.500
>> NO THAT'S AWESOME.
>> YEAH THAT IS AWESOME. WELL

01:02:01.600 --> 01:02:03.900
GUYS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JUST
IMPARTING WISDOM. AND YOU KNOW

01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.800
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT Y'ALL IS THAT
I CAN TELL THAT Y'ALL REALLY

01:02:06.900 --> 01:02:10.500
ARE ON THE SAME TEAM. AND YOU
GUYS LOVE BEING TOGETHER. AND I

01:02:10.600 --> 01:02:13.500
THINK THAT'S JUST SUCH A
TESTAMENT. LIKE A COUPLE THAT

01:02:13.600 --> 01:02:17.467
LOVES TO BE TOGETHER, LOVES TO
DO MINISTRY TOGETHER, AND WORKS

01:02:17.567 --> 01:02:20.467
IN UNITY TOGETHER. THAT REALLY
TAKES TIME AND EFFORT. AND SO

01:02:20.567 --> 01:02:23.400
THANK YOU FOR JUST TAKING
THIS TIME TO TEACH US ABOUT

01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:24.467
MARRIAGE AND PARENTING. I'M
GOING TO READ THE BOOK.

01:02:24.567 --> 01:02:28.467
WE'RE GOING TO READ THE
BOOK LOVE HANDLES.

01:02:28.567 --> 01:02:30.566
>> LOVE HANDLES.
>> AND I THINK WE CAN JUST

01:02:30.666 --> 01:02:32.667
END ON THAT NOTE AND JUST
SAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUYS.

01:02:32.767 --> 01:02:39.400
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.