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Okay, but here's what I want to talk about.
I had my guest on several weeks ago, Cynthia Rotenberger.
And we talked about her death experience, not near death, but death experience
of a car crash, and she went to heaven. She was with the Lord, and through those chains of events.
Now, you can go to davidhebner.tv, and you can watch this on there, and we do have some exclusive on it. However, she's back with me
to tell the rest of the story. Remember that? What was that? Commentator. Now, here's the rest
of the story. And what is the rest of the story, folks? When I heard it, I'm going, oh my goodness. This is running rampant.
The past month, I've interviewed two people besides her that have had their children
kidnapped, stolen, abducted. But this time, it's by the church.
I want to share with you a story today about a shocking event, but it's real. And it's about a mother, Cynthia.
And she didn't lose her son to gangs or to drugs or to the streets.
She lost her son to something more deceptive.
It's a church.
She's going to tell her story.
When her boy was only five years old, this is when the grooming began, folks.
You've got to listen to this because it's real. And it's happening as we speak to other people, other families. And the reason we're
talking about churches this time is because it was in the church. And folks, this is in the church.
So by the time her son was 15, these church members came into the night and they abducted him.
What did they do with him?
We're going to find out.
So I'm going to bring Cynthia on.
I want to ask Cynthia some questions.
And I'm asking Holy Spirit this evening if you could be with us and let us know what it is we need to have.
Download the intel to us, through us, through Cynthia. In Jesus' name, we pray. Cynthia,
how are you? Good. How are you, David? Good. Okay. Let's get right into it. Your son was
five years old. You went to a church, like First Baptist Church, somewhere in
Pennsylvania. And what happened? How did this grooming start? And what does this grooming,
what's behind it? How did they do it what's the protocol okay first of all the people that took
him didn't the grooming started at five in the church because the church is not a church of god
but the people that kidnapped him and lined up with the pastor showed up when he was around 15
okay the grooming was the spirit of antichrist that's behind everything yeah and that was at
five years old so tell me what did they do at five years old give me i want you to tell me so
that others out there won't fall into the same trap what happened well it's a false doctrine
so the church that it's a counterfeit it imitates the true doctrine. And we're praise
and worshipers and intercessors and prophetic and that spirit
goes after that, first of all. So I was the organist pianist
and had a prison ministry. My son was also extremely gifted
and in praise and worship. And they knew that right off the
bat, because we carried that presence. So it started right
away. Okay. Cynthia, how did they do it? What was it? They said to groom him. What was the grooming?
It's love bombing. There were Masons in the church. The Masons are right across the street.
They love bomb you. They make you think that they're supporting you, that they love you,
that they're your family, that they're with you. It's
narcissistic love bombing. So that's what they do. They build a fake relationship with you.
Okay. All right. So now you had a good relationship. I guess you'd go over their
house. They'd come over your house. You all would pray. You had a Bible study, you kind of do the things that people in churches do.
Now, he's five years old, six years old, seven years old. At what point did they come and take your son out of the house? Well, I'm leaving a part out because we're not there yet.
Okay. Okay. About me meeting a false angel of light in the church.
Okay, that's a whole, but okay,
in conjunction to what we're pursuing,
the grooming, the whole church,
the Baptist church is not a church of God.
So it's gonna counterfeit everything.
It just kept counterfeiting and putting us
vaguely in positions of leadership
only because God put us in that.
So that spirit goes after that to bond with it and take over.
Does that make sense?
Okay, let me try to dissect it.
So you were in position of doing music.
You had some authority within the church, you know, doing things.
And are you telling me that they were that they didn't like that they were coming against it?
Not at first.
They loved it.
I also had a key to the church and I would go in Saturdays and broadcast through the whole town.
OK.
On the big, huge, huge pump organ that was incredible.
And I would do praise and worship and it would pump through the whole town.
Okay. So, so, okay. But I'm trying,
what I'm trying to do Cynthia is get to a,
it's a pivotal point of what did they do to love bomb?
I know they were nice to him and all that.
But what started happening that caused you concern that, hey, this is not true love.
This is not from God.
What were some of the things that were going on?
I didn't know they were picking him up during the night.
So I had red flags, but I didn't. I was trusting in
the spirit of Jesus in me. I did not know that they were picking him up regularly during the
night, grooming him at their house. Okay, so they were picking him up during the night.
How old was he when they started picking him up during the night?
I don't know, maybe 15, six, something.
He was a minor.
Okay, he was around 15 years old.
So like for 10 years, he had been in the church, right?
Well, we left and they wrote a letter, invited us back.
Okay, all right.
Why did you leave the church?
Because people, I was doing speaking engagements on TV and the radio,
and people were saying, you need a church that is more anointed.
So we went to another non-denominational church.
Right.
Where as soon as I got there, the pastor wanted to put us in leadership.
I said, I just want to sit here and I'll let you know.
Yeah. Okay. So you left because you weren't really happy with that church, right?
Well, it wasn't enough of freedom and people that knew us recommended that we go to one that was
more appropriate. Okay. More freedom. Okay. Liberty and freedom and the real Jesus.
Okay, I'm still trying to get to the point why,
what was going on, how they were grooming him.
I need some, I mean, people are nice in church.
That's what people do. But you got to give me something like what,
what were they saying to him?
They found out every detail of our life and of our history.
We came out of abuse.
And so they, that's what
Jezebel narcissists do. So they find out every intimate detail as though they care. It's love
bombing among other things, and then pull the rug out from under you. Use it again.
Gotcha. So they started getting into the depths of your life, of your personal life, started asking questions, started digging deep.
And you trusted them enough to open up and start sharing things with them, right?
Right, because I got raised from the dead and I was still going to that church.
So it was still at that point seemed real intertwined.
Yeah.
Okay.
So they were finding out,
were they finding out things about you that they used against you later on?
Yes.
Okay.
What were some of the things they were finding out about you that they used
against you?
That I was sexually abused by my mother and that it ran,
ran in our families,
a lot of demonic activity and so that was a that's a big deal and that i was a spokesperson for the shelter for abused women and children okay so
let's go back to the fact that you were uh intimately abused uh abused to your sexuality.
And there was a lot of demonic presence in your bloodline, in your family.
Why would they have a problem with that?
Number one.
Number two is what did they do about it?
Did they try to cast out demons?
Did they do a deliverance?
No, they don't know how to because it's jezebel
and her crew so what they do is they get then they start to slowly demean you and take away
who you are try to change your identity try to play with and and make you doubt yourself
what you believe in who you you are, everything. Yeah.
Maybe Cynthia,
because this was demonic warfare when you were a child and you were abused
to your sexuality,
that the same demons that did that had entered that church and they wanted to
take you down. Plus the fact that you came back to life. I mean,
you, you went to to heaven you had an experience
do you think they were planted there to actually take you and your son your family down
from from before the beginning of time jesus talked to me about this and still does
he knew this was going to happen because he showed me this in heaven so he it was it's all a plan to prove that what the enemy means
for harm god turns around for good he knew he showed me the strength that he put in my family
and he showed me that we were the congress but we had to go through it for his glory
because two weeks before i got hit and killed i I said, laid on the floor and said, take my life and use it as a testimony to your glory.
Yeah. So, okay. So Jesus told you this, God told you what was going to happen. This is when you
had your car wreck, you died, you went to heaven, spent time in heaven. But now, and this hadn't
happened yet. When you had the car wreck and all this, this grooming had not happened.
How old was your son when you had the car wreck?
Wait a second.
I don't understand.
We already.
How old was your son when you had the car wreck?
Five years of age.
Okay, gotcha.
So that fits into exactly what you're talking about.
So you got this church
now, they're grooming him. Their intention is to destroy your family because they have demons
throughout the church. So now you've got off and on a relationship with this church for
something like 10 years from the time he's five till he's 15, you end up going back. And in the middle of the night,
you're saying that they would come and pick him up and take him somewhere?
Yes.
Okay. How old was he when they first started picking him up in the middle of the night?
I don't know, 15, 16. It's in that range, but it was so insidious. They were doing other things behind my back.
And the whole thing is to kill me, stop this testimony because we overcome him,
the enemy by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony and loving our lives to death.
So I'm the mom. I was the one they wanted to kill.
Okay. So, okay. I'm going to come back and ask you about other things they were doing,
but right now I want to stay on your son.
Okay.
They would pick him up.
How many times do you think roughly they picked him up in the middle of the night?
Like how many nights?
A lot.
I was not aware of it at all.
Okay.
Over what period of time do you think they did this picking him up in the middle
of the night and taking him away? David, I knew things. Wow. I'm widowed and single, so I'm
already standing in the gap globally and head of prison ministry at serial murder level.
And I was leading seminars at the
church. So I was really distracted. That's what Jezebel does. That's what the enemy does. So even
though I sensed it, I didn't really know. I didn't know that he was leaving. I didn't know.
No, I understand that. You didn't know. Of course, if you did, you wouldn't let it happen.
My question is, I'm trying to get a timeline here. Do you think it was over a period of months, years, they were picking him out in the middle of the night and taking him out?
I don't know about years in that particular way. They were doing it in other ways. But actually picking him up was maybe, I don't know, a little less than a year. I'm not sure, David. So I'm not sure at this moment.
I don't want to, you know.
Okay.
No, that's fine.
So they would pick him up like, I don't know, midnight or something, drop him back off before you woke up in the morning.
Where would they take him?
To their house.
Huh?
To their home. To? To their home.
To their home.
Okay.
And who is they?
You don't need to give a name, but just give me, was it a man, woman?
Was it a youth pastor?
Who was it?
All the above it.
It was particularly though a man and a woman because Jezebel manifests in both, but it also needs an Ahab to activate it. So I would have said the husband,
who was also one of the main organists and pianists, was the Ahab. And his wife, who was
full-blown Jezebel, and the daughter, who was after my son, was Athaliah.
Okay. So this was a couple of families families and they had a daughter. How old was
the daughter? I'm not sure exactly, maybe 12, maybe early, maybe 10 when it started. It wasn't
families. It was one family, one family. One family. Okay. It spread. Okay. And they would
take them to their house.
And without getting detail, I don't need to know that.
But what would they do when they take him to the house?
Expose him to graphic sexual sounds.
And I'm not.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Alcohol.
And alcohol.
Okay.
He was 15, 16. So now he's getting to the point where he can not necessarily make, you know, legit solid decisions for himself, but he's not five years old anymore. Do you think the fact that they groomed him at five years old and six or seven, whatever, do you think that that had an influence on him yielding to some of the crazy stuff they were doing to him when he was 15 and 16 years old well all the enemy as soon as i got raised from the dead when he was five started in
but i when he was nine i married an extremely abusive narcissistic global pastor that really
kicked in abuse in every way to us every way possible and then it was after that that the church wrote us again and called us back okay okay
okay so let's put a pause on your son for a second we left it off to the fact that they
were picking them up at night and taking them to their house and exposed them to graphic uh sexual
um uh sounds and i guess visual things so but now let's circle back and talk about you.
You said they were doing other things besides picking them up.
They were doing other things to you, against you, against your family.
What were some of those other things?
Well, again, Yeah. Again, it's a very subtle sexual seduction that they act as though it's agape love.
But when the rubber meets the road and the tree is shaken, it's not. It's lust.
Oh, okay. Gotcha. I gotcha. Now, Cynthia, the reason I'm asking these questions is only for
one reason, and I'm sorry if maybe it's hard for you to answer and don't if you can't.
But there may be someone out there that's going through what you went through.
Maybe someone's going to go through what you're going through.
Maybe they know somebody who's going through it. The way to help people, as you know, is to give a testimony of what we
went through and identify the enemy's tactics, right? And so that's why I ask you these things.
So I'm going to ask you now this question. You talk about agape love, you talk about brotherly love, and you talk about eros, which is sexual, sexuality.
How did they, what were they doing that was supposed to be agape love, but yet it was eros
love? What, can you give me some things, activities? Yes, they were elevating me,
gave me complete freedom in the church. And some of the leaders, most all the leaders would, people would come, they were gentlemen interested in me and I wasn't having any, I masons just started saying i was sleeping with
them and it never happened that's one way um they just slowly put you in a position but then try to
control it instead of the freedom of the lord it becomes religion it goes from the beautiful
freedom of agape love because they can't show it and they block it.
They grieve the Holy Spirit.
And so insidiously, because that's what narcissistic abuse is like.
Increment by increment shifts into religion, spirit of Christ, Jezebel.
Yeah.
Okay.
So in other words, I don't want to keep saying things that you didn't quite say.
I'm trying to get.
Go ahead.
Because you said they were showing agape love, but yet it was really behind that was a lust.
Did they put their arm around you?
Did they ask you out to dinner?
That's putting it mildly.
Some of the leaders would say things like, let me help you.
Can I help you take your coat off?
I've always wanted to take your clothing off.
Okay.
Just more remarks that obviously is not agape love.
Yeah.
Of course.
How do you explain that when they say it real quietly to you?
No one hears?
But it was a lot of that insidious projecting on me how their lifestyles were.
Right, right, right, right.
Okay, so Cynthia, stay with me. When we come back, I'm going to be asking Cynthia about the time they took her son and did not bring him back why they took them under what
pretense um you know what was behind it also we're going to talk about demons within the church how
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Okay, so let's get back to it.
Cynthia, I'm going to show you a scripture here, and I just want to talk about it for a second.
This is Malachi 4.6.
He will turn the hearts of their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers.
This is in these last days that I believe,
you know, at the end time,
so about father against the son,
son against daughter,
but the Bible also talks about
our families are going to be reunited.
It's not just the spiritual family,
though it is,
but I'm believing it's going to be families all over the world that are going to be reunited, Cynthia.
And the reason is because they're hearing stories like yours.
There's hope.
There's a spark of light.
Do you agree with that?
Yes, I do.
And there's also an order to that.
What I mean by that specifically specifically God's a God of order
it's and marriage is honorable above all so first as the bride of Christ the true ecclesy of the
true set-apart ones we have to be in order in our army so, Jesus died for everyone. And we have to reflect
that our whole life. That's the only reason we're alive 24 seven.
Absolutely, absolutely. Alright, so let's talk about the time
that they finally took your son away from you. They didn't bring
him back. Okay. Um, How old was he then, roughly?
Sixteen. Okay. All right. And where did they take him when they took him, this time when they didn't
bring him back? I'm not sure if it was their house or some other place that they were taking him at that point.
Okay.
Okay. Do you believe that they were exposing him to SRA satanic ritual abuse?
Well, that's what it is.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let me restructure the question. Do you think this was a corporate event, meaning a group of people?
Okay.
All right.
Now, what I'm getting to is a coven is 13.
There could have been 13.
I mean, maybe you knew six people, but they could have gotten more together.
This is how witchcraft is.
They operate like that.
They think there's power in that number.
Plus, the church is across from a Masonic temple, right?
Yes.
And many of the leaders in the church were Masons.
They're Masons. church were masons they're masons so you have a formula a cocktail of witchcraft sorcery
necromancy uh obviously sra so yeah i mean that's a stronghold cynthia don't you
it's a stronghold it's a portal um so
on underground i want to talk about this but I don't think we can get in.
We'll get close to it. I don't think we can get to it on this particular broadcast because of censorship.
But do you think it's a possibility that they would take him to a place and there would be a ritual performed on your son, 15 years old,
and it would be a corporate structure doing it,
intentional with an agenda, okay,
as opposed to just let's go have fun, let's do this, let's do that.
What do you say?
Well, it definitely was to let's not go have fun. Let's do this. Let's say, what do you say?
Well, it definitely was to let's not just have fun. It was to stop. Absolutely my testimony and get the money that we that
the Lord had blessed us with. Okay, finally, absolutely. So
you can ritual I have to understand exactly what you mean
by that. Everything that the enemy does is a ritual.
It is.
And I'll get into it in just a second if we have time, because I have so many questions to ask you.
So I got to pray how important that is.
I understand.
You came into money and they knew you had money and you think that was one of the things they were after is your money?
I don't think.
I know it for a fact.
All right.
Okay. 100%. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. So sometimes, not all the time, but at times there can be covens.
There are neighborhoods. Covens are all over, right? And covens aren't these people, you know,
necessarily with a witch's hat on or with a, you know, a cape on or whatever.
I mean, this could be people in your church. It could be, you know, whatever.
But they have a very specific thing that they're doing in these satanic ritual abuse ceremonies. Okay. It's a ceremony and it's a repetition. And in these ceremonies,
they can either elect to inflict pain so that they can split personalities. They haven't,
each one has a specific agenda as to what they're trying to get through, what they're trying to
accomplish. And I guess my question for you, as far as you know, is what type of, was it a ceremony, if you even know, what was their agenda and was it repetitious?
It's not just them.
It's what we came side of the family.
We were already up against that.
So the minister of the church, this church, wanted to put gargoyles on the top of the church.
We have those in Louisville, Kentucky.
It's in my book. They've got,
matter of fact, Kentucky, there was back in the 30s and 40s, they spotted gargoyles flying
overhead of the churches. Yeah, very demonic. These are, yeah, it's interesting you'd say that.
Do you think they tried to split him? Do you think your son suffers from multiple personalities?
No, it's not multiple personality, but the enemy
obviously tried to split him and get him to come against me
betray me. That was the whole point. divide and conquer. So
and and that's going to cause confusion. All narcissistic
abuse causes brain damage, all of it. It affects our brain. It
changes your brain. Okay. And your soul, your mind, your emotions, your body and everything.
That's a reality. It's the same effect as a severe head injury. The same effect is
addiction, drug and alcohol addiction. It's a spiritual blow on the psyche because we're in the mind of Christ, and that's what they want to destroy.
They want to cause brain damage on the mind of Christ.
You're so right on that.
It's a spiritual infliction, and it's just as bad as someone taking a baseball bat and whacking you upside the head.
This is what I've tried to tell people for years, that they have brain damage and they go, no, he never hit me. Yes, he did. The demons whacked you spiritually over and over
again. And this is why people have to go back and renew their mind and really work on the mind of
Christ. Cynthia, before we run out of time, I need to ask you, why did they, what under, they took your son, they didn't bring him back.
Why'd they tell you they wouldn't bring him back? What was the reason for that?
Well, I thought he was upstairs. My phone rang early in the morning. I got up and it was children
and youth. They had made a false report and I didn't, I didn't even know what was going on. I
mean, I was, I was in shock and I ran in shock. And I ran upstairs and he was gone.
I could tell him he was gone.
So that started it.
And then I went to the police and he was reported as a missing nationwide juvenile.
He was reported as missing?
Yeah, missing nationwide juvenile.
The police and I were chased.
I went to the church and said to the pastor and all the leaders, I'm going to confront the woman that has him at her that has my son at her house.
I said, please watch. They they acted like they were on my side. I walked over. They turned the other way.
She she was huge. She gave me a big push like this in my chest and just nailed me.
OK, so he was 15, so still underage.
How long was he gone until you got him back?
It took a little less than a year and tens of thousands of dollars.
Okay, but you did get him back.
Yes, but the shape from the damage is profound on everyone.
Yeah.
What did they say about you?
Did they say you were an unfit parent?
I mean, they had no reason to take him away from you.
What was the reason for that?
No, the reason is the world is not Christian, okay?
I didn't have TV because we read and we were musicians.
So we did all that.
They used that.
They said she deprives them from television.
They used all the worldly things.
They said I was sexually abusing him.
It was just made up things.
They just made it look like what they were doing was what I was doing.
Right.
It's almost like they tried to make you look like you were a cult, but actually
they were. They were trying to make you look like what they really were. This is what demons do.
That's what Jezebel specifically does. Yeah, they do. So when you got him back, he was 16, I guess.
Was he a different person? Did he have to go into therapy? Did you pray over him? Did you cast out any demons? What was happening during that time that he was gone?
Well, I walk in deliverance. And Lance and I had always been at that level. I did my best. I'm leaving out some of the things, the complications that I had to go through to get
him back, which medically injured me profoundly. And in conjunction, I just had to walk and
continually seek what Jesus showed me in heaven because he warned me this would happen.
So as usual, it was just help Jesus, give me the wisdom. Tell me you show me this. Tell me exactly what to do.
And it was it at that time.
Exactly.
It was extreme agape love.
And that's all the facets of Jesus.
And that's not an easy thing to do with someone who's injured because even Jesus with the whip is love.
However, someone who is severely narcissistic abused, it doesn't really need
Jesus with the whip. You got to really have, it's a very, very narrow, fine way. So I just
constantly was trying to manifest agape love. There's no option. Whatever facet of Jesus of
Nazareth that is. And Jesus showed me in heaven, he was worried.
This was his one major concern.
People were not following the real Jesus Christ
of Nazareth, the real Yeshua HaMashiach.
They were following Jezebel and
her, the bride of Satan
instead of the bride of Christ.
Cynthia, we're out of time, but
you're going to be with us on Underground
in about 15
minutes. Folks, if you're not a member of David Hefner TV, become a member so you can be with us
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I'm going to be asking Cynthia about how she went about dealing with this once she got
her son back, what happened to that church.
I'm going to ask her about this preacher speaking in demonic tongues and also what you can do to look for these things in the church, not only in church, but just anywhere.
Right. And also I'm going to ask her about her son, how he's doing now.
So, Cynthia, stay with me and I look forward to seeing you on the ground.
I appreciate you so much.
Thank you, David. I appreciate you so much. Thank you, David.
I appreciate you giving me the honor to share this with you.
Absolutely.
And by the way, do you have a website or a contact?
They can get in contact with you.
Can we use yours for now?
I'm in the process of restoring things.
Okay.
We'll use mine.
Sounds good.
I'll see you in about 15 minutes.
God bless you.
Appreciate it.
God bless you.
Yeah. If you guys want to get in touch with Cynthia, you can email me at David at David Hevener dot TV or you can call 844-806-0006.
That's if you need prayer. Also, we're here for you.
Now, Cynthia talked about her son did not get split.
But folks, many times that's not the case.
They will take children and split them.
So I tracked down Kelly who runs Warrior Bride Ministries.
I'll be speaking there this coming weekend.
And she's going to talk about program multiples.
She has a ministry that does
that. So let's take a look and see what Kelly has to say. I asked you, Kelly, about program
multiples because you're one of the few ministries that I deal with, a few, I mean, I've got three or
four, that really understand it. When you say DID,
folks, Dissociative Identity Disorder, that's the actual scientific mental health term you might say.
Program multiples is when someone is programmed, usually intentionally, doesn't always have to be,
it could be individually by somebody or it could be a corporate done corporately usually for a
purpose for an agenda Kelly when it comes to program multiples someone that's had a personality
split for whatever reason they come to you guys what's the first thing you do do you cast out out demons? Do you pray over them? How does the healing happen? Well, we have a skeleton
system, but we let the Holy Spirit move. Everybody goes to the website, they fill out paperwork,
they get on my schedule, and then I'm kind of the gatekeeper in terms of I meet with them,
I go over their paperwork, I try to get to know them, get to know their
history, see where they really are in terms of their willingness to do the work or abilities
and different stuff like that. And most of the time they'll get an appointment with me,
but sometimes we'll have them go to do some of the classes first and then they might be ready
to meet with me. When you meet with me, we go through a process of start dismantling what the enemy has built.
OK, and I want to circle back around on that dismantling.
But before I do, how many people in your
estimate would be victims of SRA, which is Satanic Ritual Abuse, causing the multiple, causing the splitting
of personality. I mean, I know it's conjecture to a certain extent, but the people you've dealt with,
how many of them have come from SRA as opposed to just regular abuse?
Well, the majority come from SRA that come to us, I think, because the word's out that we
understand. The, you know, in theory, if you're not as far on the trauma spectrum through all this,
you can get help and you can get healing through doing the more natural things of
turning to Yeshua, making him your lord and savior repenting
getting in the word um you know all these kind of things different different therapies that the the
worldly um counselors have you can get some healing through that you know but when you start
to get farther over the counselors don't understand it you know you have to go where
somewhere where the lord has taught you how to dismantle yeah and um so that's kind of where
our sweet spot is i do see the others when they come but this is where i spend the majority of
my time so i mean the percentage is very high it's 80 wow Wow. We have just a few minutes. I want to ask you about the dismantling
of, which I like that analogy, that terminology. How do you dismantle the personalities? How do
you put those back together? How do you heal those? How do you have those dismantled?
Well, again, there's commonalities. There's a skeleton to it, but it depends on what they've been through because there's all different, which you alluded to, all different kinds of
peoples and groups and sophistication out there in terms of the programming and the trauma and
the making of the splits and all these things. So we have to figure out, okay, what exactly happened?
What kind of group was it?
What was the sophistication?
As I go, as I learn more and more,
the Lord is teaching me ways to get to the root faster,
but it has been quite the journey and learning.
But what I usually do is I start with an overall session
in which you, you know, if they're ready,
you go through things like forgiving, you know, if they're ready, you go through things
like forgiving, you know, forgiving yourself, forgiving them, choosing, you know, asking for
forgiveness. And then we go through breaking of contracts, dedications, vows, rituals, blood
comings, curses, hexes, vexes, dramatic magic, all these kinds of things. We break all that,
go into ungodly soul ties ties go into the courtroom of heaven
evict and once we kind of you know do an overall cleaning and then we start um seeing if the parts
are ready to come up and speak and get their voice back and then we let them know that you know
they're no longer stuck in that situation that the bad people are gone um when their confidence that we're safe people
and eventually as they process what they need to process and repent for what they need to repent
for um we introduce them to yeshua and he does his work and that's kind of the next step. But then eventually you want to get down to the foundation so that you can dismantle the whole thing can fall down.
Because it is when you're talking about the more sophisticated, it is very there's a method there.
It's very scientific.
It's it's a creation of the of the enemy's temple within a child.
Okay. So basically casting out the demons, cleaning house, and then going in and letting
the healing happen. It's two separate issues. You can't go in and try to heal people when you got
all the demon, demonic warfare going on, nor can you just cast out demons and
leave people on their own because they're still broken. They still need to be healed.
Let me, as we close on this, I need to ask you, what is the purpose behind most of the programming?
What, what is the agenda? Who's behind it? what are they trying to do okay in my opinion which i do this every day
for multiple hours a day so my opinion is that it's the enemy creating his army for the end times
so if they get the child you know before they even they're in the womb a lot of times or even
you know at conception and you start making um making satanic soldiers
but they don't know you know because they've been put to sleep um at a certain at a certain
point they activate them you know they activate them for different jobs periodically but at some
point when the antichrist comes they'll activate the child part, one of the child parts, and they will believe
that it's their daddy because they're so desperate for a mommy and a daddy. They will believe that
it's their daddy and they will rise and do exactly what he says to do to usher in, you know, his
kingdom, you know. I, Russ Dizdar and I have done, did many interviews before he went on to be with the Lord.
And I went with him, had boots on the ground, and we spent a lot of time together talking about things.
But as much off the air as on the air.
But the thing is, the thing that hit home was, this was four years ago, over 10 million program multiples in the United States today, over
10 million.
Kelly, I agree with you.
I think they've been programmed for a time and a place.
I think they're sleeper cells.
I think they're in the government, law enforcement, entertainment, and the religious system.
And there's going to come a time when that button, that, that lever
is going to be flipped and they're going to come alive and, uh, as Satan's army. And so what you're
doing with warrior bride is you're dismantling that before that happens before they have a chance
to have, uh, give us one more time, your, uh, website and how they can get tickets and how they can come see us in the day.
OK, so the website is www.warriorbrideministries.com.
You go on there and there's a drop down menu says 2025 conference, September 12th through 14th.
We're going to have a great time.
You know, this is a heavy subject, but we also like to have
fun and the Lord likes us to have fun. We're going to have baptisms on the beach. We're going to have
a nice fish dinner, beachside, you know, all kinds of fun things and bonfires and some more. So
come. I mean, a lot of people are talking about this and some people are saying, well, what do
we do about it? Well, this is what you do about it. You get involved. You come get in your position. Your position might not be exactly
what mine is, or maybe it is, but you know what? We need administration. We need media. We need
friends of the survivors. We need mentors. We need teachers, counselors. I mean, there's just,
the list is endless. That's right, folks. We are exposing it.
We are exposing it.
You can join us for the 12th, 13th, 14th, September.
But I wanted to run that for you because it's happening.
You know, I'm getting people coming to me at conferences saying,
David, I fear that I'm a program multiple.
I lose track of time.
And what are the three things?
Hear voices, lose track of time, and a lot of times you can't remember a good section of your childhood.
It doesn't mean you are, but it means that you could be, certainly.
And you could be, but not have all three of those things,
or at least not know that you have them.
In this last days, the Antichrist is going to rise with his troops.
And these troops have been programmed to do what it is that they are supposed to do.
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