WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:01.640 all over these people. 00:02.140 --> 00:05.960 Well, first of all, I just want to preface by saying that you're obviously doing something 00:05.960 --> 00:09.060 right because every time I come on your show, there's intense warfare and that's exactly 00:09.060 --> 00:10.339 what we're talking about. 00:10.340 --> 00:14.280 In these last days, God's people need to speak the truth. 00:14.660 --> 00:20.260 Hi, I'm David Hevener and I'm doing just that with my brand new show, David Hevener Live, 00:20.480 --> 00:22.720 where we cover topics the church won't. 00:23.040 --> 00:27.020 Join me each and every week with my guest on David Hefner Live. 00:31.560 --> 00:32.560 Demonic warfare. 00:33.740 --> 00:35.240 People come on this show. 00:36.860 --> 00:38.240 They call me later. 00:38.500 --> 00:41.020 They say, David, I'm being attacked. 00:41.100 --> 00:41.919 I've been attacked. 00:41.920 --> 00:46.300 I got a call from Russ Dizdar before he went on to heaven 00:46.300 --> 00:53.160 with the Lord. He called me after a show. Jamie O'Alden was on the show. Russ called me, said, 00:53.200 --> 00:57.320 David, you okay? I said, yeah, I'm all right. Why? He says, well, Jamie's not. Said he's got a heart 00:57.320 --> 01:07.740 condition. He can't breathe. He's getting thrown around. And, you know, folks, listen, this is not something you fear. Faith is greater than 01:07.740 --> 01:14.000 fear. Okay. So perhaps you've been going through these types of things. Let me explain to you that 01:14.000 --> 01:21.420 you are God's warrior. You're a warrior in his army. Expect the enemy not to like you. Here's 01:21.420 --> 01:26.240 what you need to be afraid of. Not the devil attacking you. It's when he doesn't, 01:26.320 --> 01:32.840 because if he doesn't, you're of no value to the kingdom. Does that make sense? Can we process that, 01:32.980 --> 01:38.040 please? I mean, it may be okay for this lifetime. You can mail it in, though I don't think it is. 01:38.360 --> 01:41.520 That's what most Christians do. They're lukewarm. They mail it in every Sunday morning. 01:42.460 --> 01:45.320 But no, you and I, we're frontline warriors. Of course we get kicked. 01:45.560 --> 01:46.519 Let me tell you something. 01:46.520 --> 01:47.720 Persecution is not defeat. 01:48.260 --> 01:50.180 Persecution is pushback from the enemy. 01:50.180 --> 01:53.620 But greater is he who's in me, who's in you, than he who's in the world. 01:53.880 --> 01:55.600 And the devil loves to use fear. 01:55.900 --> 02:00.140 So don't not let the F word, the fear word, take hold. 02:00.580 --> 02:03.440 Let the F word, the faith word, take hold. 02:03.660 --> 02:04.539 All right? 02:04.540 --> 02:06.660 Do not have conversations with Satan. 02:06.960 --> 02:12.320 Do not negotiate with Satan. You speak to him. You command him. He's got to leave. There's no way he 02:12.320 --> 02:17.620 can't. Don't throw holy water. Don't speak in some, you know, Latin. That's what happened to the 02:17.620 --> 02:28.540 guy in The Exorcist, remember, years ago? And the demon threw his rear end out the window. Yeah. So anyway, we got the power. 02:29.400 --> 02:32.960 We got the power. So good to be with you guys. I appreciate you all. Love you guys. 02:33.260 --> 02:39.880 Just letting you know, we have a film festival coming up that I'm so, so excited about. I just 02:39.880 --> 02:48.700 want to share with you real quick here. The Last Evangelist Film and Music Festival. All right. 02:48.900 --> 02:55.540 And it's November the 15th, 14th and 15th, both in person online. We're going to have a red carpet 02:55.540 --> 03:09.460 event on the blood, the episode three of Last Evangelist. And it's going to be in near Dayton, Ohio. And I'm going to be teaching the future of film and distribution. 03:09.460 --> 03:10.540 We have a live show. 03:10.920 --> 03:12.760 So you can just go get your tickets. 03:12.860 --> 03:16.340 Go to last evangelist festival dot com. 03:16.560 --> 03:21.120 If you have a film or music, you can submit here and be a part of this. 03:21.160 --> 03:22.600 OK, get your ticket. 03:22.760 --> 03:23.819 I appreciate you guys. 03:23.820 --> 03:24.559 I love you all. 03:24.560 --> 03:25.780 And this is what we do. 03:25.900 --> 03:26.939 This is our ministry. 03:26.940 --> 03:34.800 If you'd like to be a sponsor and have your name logo in the festival, call 844-806-0006. 03:34.900 --> 03:36.420 Okay, but here's what I want to talk about. 03:37.080 --> 03:42.220 I had my guest on several weeks ago, Cynthia Rotenberger. 03:43.860 --> 03:49.860 And we talked about her death experience, not near death, but death experience 03:49.860 --> 03:56.840 of a car crash, and she went to heaven. She was with the Lord, and through those chains of events. 03:57.060 --> 04:08.460 Now, you can go to davidhebner.tv, and you can watch this on there, and we do have some exclusive on it. However, she's back with me 04:08.460 --> 04:18.040 to tell the rest of the story. Remember that? What was that? Commentator. Now, here's the rest 04:18.040 --> 04:26.280 of the story. And what is the rest of the story, folks? When I heard it, I'm going, oh my goodness. This is running rampant. 04:26.600 --> 04:31.880 The past month, I've interviewed two people besides her that have had their children 04:31.880 --> 04:36.920 kidnapped, stolen, abducted. But this time, it's by the church. 04:39.200 --> 04:46.340 I want to share with you a story today about a shocking event, but it's real. And it's about a mother, Cynthia. 04:48.160 --> 04:52.280 And she didn't lose her son to gangs or to drugs or to the streets. 04:52.320 --> 04:54.720 She lost her son to something more deceptive. 04:54.800 --> 04:56.459 It's a church. 04:56.460 --> 04:57.520 She's going to tell her story. 04:59.220 --> 05:03.400 When her boy was only five years old, this is when the grooming began, folks. 05:03.440 --> 05:10.860 You've got to listen to this because it's real. And it's happening as we speak to other people, other families. And the reason we're 05:10.860 --> 05:18.520 talking about churches this time is because it was in the church. And folks, this is in the church. 05:19.680 --> 05:27.140 So by the time her son was 15, these church members came into the night and they abducted him. 05:30.920 --> 05:32.480 What did they do with him? 05:33.480 --> 05:34.419 We're going to find out. 05:34.420 --> 05:36.020 So I'm going to bring Cynthia on. 05:36.020 --> 05:38.020 I want to ask Cynthia some questions. 05:39.020 --> 05:46.680 And I'm asking Holy Spirit this evening if you could be with us and let us know what it is we need to have. 05:47.160 --> 05:55.480 Download the intel to us, through us, through Cynthia. In Jesus' name, we pray. Cynthia, 05:55.580 --> 06:01.640 how are you? Good. How are you, David? Good. Okay. Let's get right into it. Your son was 06:01.640 --> 06:06.360 five years old. You went to a church, like First Baptist Church, somewhere in 06:06.360 --> 06:16.560 Pennsylvania. And what happened? How did this grooming start? And what does this grooming, 06:18.160 --> 06:26.740 what's behind it? How did they do it what's the protocol okay first of all the people that took 06:26.740 --> 06:33.900 him didn't the grooming started at five in the church because the church is not a church of god 06:33.900 --> 06:40.260 but the people that kidnapped him and lined up with the pastor showed up when he was around 15 06:40.260 --> 06:47.080 okay the grooming was the spirit of antichrist that's behind everything yeah and that was at 06:47.080 --> 06:52.980 five years old so tell me what did they do at five years old give me i want you to tell me so 06:52.980 --> 06:58.120 that others out there won't fall into the same trap what happened well it's a false doctrine 06:58.120 --> 07:05.220 so the church that it's a counterfeit it imitates the true doctrine. And we're praise 07:05.220 --> 07:08.160 and worshipers and intercessors and prophetic and that spirit 07:08.160 --> 07:13.600 goes after that, first of all. So I was the organist pianist 07:13.600 --> 07:16.820 and had a prison ministry. My son was also extremely gifted 07:16.820 --> 07:20.120 and in praise and worship. And they knew that right off the 07:20.120 --> 07:23.920 bat, because we carried that presence. So it started right 07:23.920 --> 07:32.000 away. Okay. Cynthia, how did they do it? What was it? They said to groom him. What was the grooming? 07:32.680 --> 07:37.040 It's love bombing. There were Masons in the church. The Masons are right across the street. 07:37.040 --> 07:42.920 They love bomb you. They make you think that they're supporting you, that they love you, 07:43.220 --> 07:46.880 that they're your family, that they're with you. It's 07:46.880 --> 07:52.500 narcissistic love bombing. So that's what they do. They build a fake relationship with you. 07:53.240 --> 07:57.940 Okay. All right. So now you had a good relationship. I guess you'd go over their 07:57.940 --> 08:05.780 house. They'd come over your house. You all would pray. You had a Bible study, you kind of do the things that people in churches do. 08:13.140 --> 08:19.160 Now, he's five years old, six years old, seven years old. At what point did they come and take your son out of the house? Well, I'm leaving a part out because we're not there yet. 08:19.340 --> 08:25.800 Okay. Okay. About me meeting a false angel of light in the church. 08:26.740 --> 08:28.300 Okay, that's a whole, but okay, 08:28.640 --> 08:31.080 in conjunction to what we're pursuing, 08:31.760 --> 08:34.280 the grooming, the whole church, 08:34.480 --> 08:37.320 the Baptist church is not a church of God. 08:37.460 --> 08:39.120 So it's gonna counterfeit everything. 08:39.380 --> 08:42.560 It just kept counterfeiting and putting us 08:42.560 --> 08:48.080 vaguely in positions of leadership 08:48.080 --> 08:50.500 only because God put us in that. 08:50.500 --> 08:54.280 So that spirit goes after that to bond with it and take over. 08:54.280 --> 08:55.500 Does that make sense? 08:56.820 --> 09:00.440 Okay, let me try to dissect it. 09:00.440 --> 09:03.580 So you were in position of doing music. 09:03.580 --> 09:07.360 You had some authority within the church, you know, doing things. 09:07.620 --> 09:12.700 And are you telling me that they were that they didn't like that they were coming against it? 09:13.120 --> 09:14.159 Not at first. 09:14.160 --> 09:14.659 They loved it. 09:14.660 --> 09:19.780 I also had a key to the church and I would go in Saturdays and broadcast through the whole town. 09:20.860 --> 09:21.839 OK. 09:21.840 --> 09:25.060 On the big, huge, huge pump organ that was incredible. 09:25.060 --> 09:30.080 And I would do praise and worship and it would pump through the whole town. 09:30.460 --> 09:33.820 Okay. So, so, okay. But I'm trying, 09:33.900 --> 09:36.720 what I'm trying to do Cynthia is get to a, 09:37.160 --> 09:44.100 it's a pivotal point of what did they do to love bomb? 09:44.100 --> 09:46.000 I know they were nice to him and all that. 09:46.000 --> 09:52.480 But what started happening that caused you concern that, hey, this is not true love. 09:52.580 --> 09:53.660 This is not from God. 09:53.760 --> 09:55.760 What were some of the things that were going on? 09:58.680 --> 10:02.700 I didn't know they were picking him up during the night. 10:03.300 --> 10:06.840 So I had red flags, but I didn't. I was trusting in 10:06.840 --> 10:12.940 the spirit of Jesus in me. I did not know that they were picking him up regularly during the 10:12.940 --> 10:18.740 night, grooming him at their house. Okay, so they were picking him up during the night. 10:19.120 --> 10:22.780 How old was he when they started picking him up during the night? 10:23.940 --> 10:26.160 I don't know, maybe 15, six, something. 10:26.600 --> 10:28.079 He was a minor. 10:28.080 --> 10:29.860 Okay, he was around 15 years old. 10:30.300 --> 10:33.140 So like for 10 years, he had been in the church, right? 10:34.200 --> 10:39.080 Well, we left and they wrote a letter, invited us back. 10:39.860 --> 10:41.240 Okay, all right. 10:41.240 --> 10:43.220 Why did you leave the church? 10:43.960 --> 10:48.040 Because people, I was doing speaking engagements on TV and the radio, 10:48.400 --> 10:51.700 and people were saying, you need a church that is more anointed. 10:52.400 --> 10:56.460 So we went to another non-denominational church. 10:56.760 --> 10:57.779 Right. 10:57.780 --> 11:01.080 Where as soon as I got there, the pastor wanted to put us in leadership. 11:01.080 --> 11:03.820 I said, I just want to sit here and I'll let you know. 11:04.100 --> 11:08.680 Yeah. Okay. So you left because you weren't really happy with that church, right? 11:09.180 --> 11:18.180 Well, it wasn't enough of freedom and people that knew us recommended that we go to one that was 11:18.180 --> 11:25.380 more appropriate. Okay. More freedom. Okay. Liberty and freedom and the real Jesus. 11:27.520 --> 11:30.519 Okay, I'm still trying to get to the point why, 11:30.520 --> 11:33.479 what was going on, how they were grooming him. 11:33.480 --> 11:34.559 I need some, I mean, people are nice in church. 11:34.560 --> 11:36.740 That's what people do. But you got to give me something like what, 11:36.800 --> 11:38.600 what were they saying to him? 11:39.180 --> 11:42.420 They found out every detail of our life and of our history. 11:43.040 --> 11:44.320 We came out of abuse. 11:44.600 --> 11:46.500 And so they, that's what 11:46.500 --> 11:53.860 Jezebel narcissists do. So they find out every intimate detail as though they care. It's love 11:53.860 --> 11:58.840 bombing among other things, and then pull the rug out from under you. Use it again. 11:59.320 --> 12:07.640 Gotcha. So they started getting into the depths of your life, of your personal life, started asking questions, started digging deep. 12:07.940 --> 12:12.180 And you trusted them enough to open up and start sharing things with them, right? 12:13.440 --> 12:17.760 Right, because I got raised from the dead and I was still going to that church. 12:17.760 --> 12:22.440 So it was still at that point seemed real intertwined. 12:23.380 --> 12:23.959 Yeah. 12:23.960 --> 12:24.379 Okay. 12:24.380 --> 12:25.580 So they were finding out, 12:25.840 --> 12:29.680 were they finding out things about you that they used against you later on? 12:30.260 --> 12:31.459 Yes. 12:31.460 --> 12:31.939 Okay. 12:31.940 --> 12:34.940 What were some of the things they were finding out about you that they used 12:34.940 --> 12:36.999 against you? 12:37.000 --> 12:43.080 That I was sexually abused by my mother and that it ran, 12:43.080 --> 12:44.080 ran in our families, 12:50.880 --> 12:57.840 a lot of demonic activity and so that was a that's a big deal and that i was a spokesperson for the shelter for abused women and children okay so 12:57.840 --> 13:05.160 let's go back to the fact that you were uh intimately abused uh abused to your sexuality. 13:05.980 --> 13:11.320 And there was a lot of demonic presence in your bloodline, in your family. 13:12.480 --> 13:14.960 Why would they have a problem with that? 13:15.040 --> 13:15.799 Number one. 13:15.800 --> 13:17.800 Number two is what did they do about it? 13:17.800 --> 13:21.240 Did they try to cast out demons? 13:21.480 --> 13:22.960 Did they do a deliverance? 13:24.720 --> 13:27.560 No, they don't know how to because it's jezebel 13:27.560 --> 13:34.940 and her crew so what they do is they get then they start to slowly demean you and take away 13:34.940 --> 13:41.820 who you are try to change your identity try to play with and and make you doubt yourself 13:41.820 --> 13:45.060 what you believe in who you you are, everything. Yeah. 13:45.600 --> 13:47.040 Maybe Cynthia, 13:47.280 --> 13:52.580 because this was demonic warfare when you were a child and you were abused 13:52.580 --> 13:53.600 to your sexuality, 13:53.600 --> 13:59.660 that the same demons that did that had entered that church and they wanted to 13:59.660 --> 14:03.760 take you down. Plus the fact that you came back to life. I mean, 14:03.760 --> 14:06.480 you, you went to to heaven you had an experience 14:06.480 --> 14:12.320 do you think they were planted there to actually take you and your son your family down 14:14.080 --> 14:18.720 from from before the beginning of time jesus talked to me about this and still does 14:18.720 --> 14:28.800 he knew this was going to happen because he showed me this in heaven so he it was it's all a plan to prove that what the enemy means 14:28.800 --> 14:34.800 for harm god turns around for good he knew he showed me the strength that he put in my family 14:35.920 --> 14:39.440 and he showed me that we were the congress but we had to go through it for his glory 14:40.400 --> 14:47.180 because two weeks before i got hit and killed i I said, laid on the floor and said, take my life and use it as a testimony to your glory. 14:47.900 --> 14:54.200 Yeah. So, okay. So Jesus told you this, God told you what was going to happen. This is when you 14:54.200 --> 15:01.020 had your car wreck, you died, you went to heaven, spent time in heaven. But now, and this hadn't 15:01.020 --> 15:05.520 happened yet. When you had the car wreck and all this, this grooming had not happened. 15:05.660 --> 15:08.620 How old was your son when you had the car wreck? 15:09.040 --> 15:09.619 Wait a second. 15:09.620 --> 15:11.639 I don't understand. 15:11.640 --> 15:15.139 We already. 15:15.140 --> 15:18.460 How old was your son when you had the car wreck? 15:19.060 --> 15:20.880 Five years of age. 15:21.160 --> 15:21.959 Okay, gotcha. 15:21.960 --> 15:24.520 So that fits into exactly what you're talking about. 15:24.700 --> 15:26.100 So you got this church 15:26.100 --> 15:31.020 now, they're grooming him. Their intention is to destroy your family because they have demons 15:31.020 --> 15:38.780 throughout the church. So now you've got off and on a relationship with this church for 15:38.780 --> 15:46.680 something like 10 years from the time he's five till he's 15, you end up going back. And in the middle of the night, 15:46.680 --> 15:50.840 you're saying that they would come and pick him up and take him somewhere? 15:51.500 --> 15:52.319 Yes. 15:52.320 --> 15:56.620 Okay. How old was he when they first started picking him up in the middle of the night? 15:56.620 --> 16:06.600 I don't know, 15, 16. It's in that range, but it was so insidious. They were doing other things behind my back. 16:07.600 --> 16:12.600 And the whole thing is to kill me, stop this testimony because we overcome him, 16:12.700 --> 16:16.180 the enemy by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony and loving our lives to death. 16:16.440 --> 16:19.160 So I'm the mom. I was the one they wanted to kill. 16:19.620 --> 16:24.840 Okay. So, okay. I'm going to come back and ask you about other things they were doing, 16:24.920 --> 16:27.000 but right now I want to stay on your son. 16:27.200 --> 16:27.919 Okay. 16:27.920 --> 16:29.300 They would pick him up. 16:29.320 --> 16:33.520 How many times do you think roughly they picked him up in the middle of the night? 16:33.640 --> 16:34.660 Like how many nights? 16:35.080 --> 16:36.600 A lot. 16:36.960 --> 16:37.359 A lot. 16:37.360 --> 16:40.820 I was not aware of it at all. 16:41.200 --> 16:41.439 Okay. 16:41.440 --> 16:46.420 Over what period of time do you think they did this picking him up in the middle 16:46.420 --> 16:58.880 of the night and taking him away? David, I knew things. Wow. I'm widowed and single, so I'm 16:58.880 --> 17:03.640 already standing in the gap globally and head of prison ministry at serial murder level. 17:04.060 --> 17:06.140 And I was leading seminars at the 17:06.140 --> 17:12.060 church. So I was really distracted. That's what Jezebel does. That's what the enemy does. So even 17:12.060 --> 17:18.640 though I sensed it, I didn't really know. I didn't know that he was leaving. I didn't know. 17:18.940 --> 17:23.120 No, I understand that. You didn't know. Of course, if you did, you wouldn't let it happen. 17:23.320 --> 17:31.160 My question is, I'm trying to get a timeline here. Do you think it was over a period of months, years, they were picking him out in the middle of the night and taking him out? 17:31.960 --> 17:45.400 I don't know about years in that particular way. They were doing it in other ways. But actually picking him up was maybe, I don't know, a little less than a year. I'm not sure, David. So I'm not sure at this moment. 17:46.080 --> 17:47.760 I don't want to, you know. 17:47.840 --> 17:48.259 Okay. 17:48.260 --> 17:50.039 No, that's fine. 17:50.040 --> 17:58.500 So they would pick him up like, I don't know, midnight or something, drop him back off before you woke up in the morning. 17:59.520 --> 18:00.900 Where would they take him? 18:01.680 --> 18:03.439 To their house. 18:03.440 --> 18:04.319 Huh? 18:04.320 --> 18:05.340 To their home. To? To their home. 18:05.940 --> 18:06.999 To their home. 18:07.000 --> 18:07.479 Okay. 18:07.480 --> 18:08.860 And who is they? 18:08.980 --> 18:13.020 You don't need to give a name, but just give me, was it a man, woman? 18:13.220 --> 18:14.280 Was it a youth pastor? 18:14.560 --> 18:15.539 Who was it? 18:15.540 --> 18:16.560 All the above it. 18:16.560 --> 18:26.880 It was particularly though a man and a woman because Jezebel manifests in both, but it also needs an Ahab to activate it. So I would have said the husband, 18:27.180 --> 18:33.340 who was also one of the main organists and pianists, was the Ahab. And his wife, who was 18:33.340 --> 18:41.240 full-blown Jezebel, and the daughter, who was after my son, was Athaliah. 18:42.060 --> 18:48.580 Okay. So this was a couple of families families and they had a daughter. How old was 18:48.580 --> 18:55.500 the daughter? I'm not sure exactly, maybe 12, maybe early, maybe 10 when it started. It wasn't 18:55.500 --> 19:03.360 families. It was one family, one family. One family. Okay. It spread. Okay. And they would 19:03.360 --> 19:05.380 take them to their house. 19:08.420 --> 19:11.219 And without getting detail, I don't need to know that. 19:11.220 --> 19:14.459 But what would they do when they take him to the house? 19:14.460 --> 19:15.419 Expose him to graphic sexual sounds. 19:15.420 --> 19:16.820 And I'm not. 19:17.340 --> 19:17.739 Gotcha. 19:17.740 --> 19:19.119 Okay. 19:19.120 --> 19:20.420 Alcohol. 19:20.960 --> 19:21.339 And alcohol. 19:21.340 --> 19:31.340 Okay. 19:45.520 --> 19:50.360 He was 15, 16. So now he's getting to the point where he can not necessarily make, you know, legit solid decisions for himself, but he's not five years old anymore. Do you think the fact that they groomed him at five years old and six or seven, whatever, do you think that that had an influence on him yielding to some of the crazy stuff they were doing to him when he was 15 and 16 years old well all the enemy as soon as i got raised from the dead when he was five started in 19:50.360 --> 19:57.180 but i when he was nine i married an extremely abusive narcissistic global pastor that really 19:57.180 --> 20:07.280 kicked in abuse in every way to us every way possible and then it was after that that the church wrote us again and called us back okay okay 20:08.880 --> 20:14.000 okay so let's put a pause on your son for a second we left it off to the fact that they 20:14.000 --> 20:20.400 were picking them up at night and taking them to their house and exposed them to graphic uh sexual 20:20.400 --> 20:27.500 um uh sounds and i guess visual things so but now let's circle back and talk about you. 20:27.580 --> 20:31.460 You said they were doing other things besides picking them up. 20:31.840 --> 20:34.820 They were doing other things to you, against you, against your family. 20:34.920 --> 20:36.480 What were some of those other things? 20:38.300 --> 20:51.880 Well, again, Yeah. Again, it's a very subtle sexual seduction that they act as though it's agape love. 20:52.160 --> 20:57.160 But when the rubber meets the road and the tree is shaken, it's not. It's lust. 20:57.920 --> 21:03.400 Oh, okay. Gotcha. I gotcha. Now, Cynthia, the reason I'm asking these questions is only for 21:03.400 --> 21:08.960 one reason, and I'm sorry if maybe it's hard for you to answer and don't if you can't. 21:10.200 --> 21:15.400 But there may be someone out there that's going through what you went through. 21:15.580 --> 21:18.640 Maybe someone's going to go through what you're going through. 21:18.880 --> 21:27.720 Maybe they know somebody who's going through it. The way to help people, as you know, is to give a testimony of what we 21:27.720 --> 21:34.020 went through and identify the enemy's tactics, right? And so that's why I ask you these things. 21:34.020 --> 21:48.940 So I'm going to ask you now this question. You talk about agape love, you talk about brotherly love, and you talk about eros, which is sexual, sexuality. 21:49.620 --> 21:56.040 How did they, what were they doing that was supposed to be agape love, but yet it was eros 21:56.040 --> 22:02.400 love? What, can you give me some things, activities? Yes, they were elevating me, 22:02.980 --> 22:26.160 gave me complete freedom in the church. And some of the leaders, most all the leaders would, people would come, they were gentlemen interested in me and I wasn't having any, I masons just started saying i was sleeping with 22:26.160 --> 22:37.360 them and it never happened that's one way um they just slowly put you in a position but then try to 22:37.360 --> 22:43.920 control it instead of the freedom of the lord it becomes religion it goes from the beautiful 22:43.920 --> 22:47.040 freedom of agape love because they can't show it and they block it. 22:47.120 --> 22:48.479 They grieve the Holy Spirit. 22:48.480 --> 22:53.420 And so insidiously, because that's what narcissistic abuse is like. 22:53.420 --> 22:59.460 Increment by increment shifts into religion, spirit of Christ, Jezebel. 22:59.960 --> 23:00.299 Yeah. 23:00.300 --> 23:00.719 Okay. 23:00.720 --> 23:05.740 So in other words, I don't want to keep saying things that you didn't quite say. 23:05.880 --> 23:06.859 I'm trying to get. 23:06.860 --> 23:08.059 Go ahead. 23:08.060 --> 23:15.040 Because you said they were showing agape love, but yet it was really behind that was a lust. 23:15.780 --> 23:18.040 Did they put their arm around you? 23:18.280 --> 23:20.020 Did they ask you out to dinner? 23:21.440 --> 23:22.940 That's putting it mildly. 23:23.460 --> 23:27.820 Some of the leaders would say things like, let me help you. 23:27.980 --> 23:29.620 Can I help you take your coat off? 23:29.640 --> 23:31.560 I've always wanted to take your clothing off. 23:32.520 --> 23:34.539 Okay. 23:34.540 --> 23:38.820 Just more remarks that obviously is not agape love. 23:39.320 --> 23:39.659 Yeah. 23:39.660 --> 23:40.079 Yeah. 23:40.080 --> 23:40.379 Yeah. 23:40.380 --> 23:40.759 Of course. 23:40.760 --> 23:43.480 How do you explain that when they say it real quietly to you? 23:43.520 --> 23:45.080 No one hears? 23:51.480 --> 23:53.519 But it was a lot of that insidious projecting on me how their lifestyles were. 23:53.520 --> 23:56.039 Right, right, right, right. 23:56.040 --> 24:07.680 Okay, so Cynthia, stay with me. When we come back, I'm going to be asking Cynthia about the time they took her son and did not bring him back why they took them under what 24:07.680 --> 24:13.740 pretense um you know what was behind it also we're going to talk about demons within the church how 24:13.740 --> 24:21.900 her pastor actually spoke in demonic tongues okay so I'm so glad you guys are with me here 24:22.560 --> 24:27.400 um on this as we talk about um Jebel in the church, because that's basically 24:27.400 --> 24:35.560 what Cynthia is talking about is Jezebel in the church. Folks, if you would, please consider 24:35.560 --> 24:46.660 us when you're praying about what ministry you would tithe to. 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Don't forget our books and all of the stuff that we have for the ministry here. 25:49.220 --> 25:52.080 Okay, so let's get back to it. 25:53.340 --> 25:59.840 Cynthia, I'm going to show you a scripture here, and I just want to talk about it for a second. 26:00.480 --> 26:02.080 This is Malachi 4.6. 26:02.160 --> 26:06.160 He will turn the hearts of their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers. 26:06.960 --> 26:10.880 This is in these last days that I believe, 26:11.160 --> 26:12.560 you know, at the end time, 26:12.620 --> 26:13.940 so about father against the son, 26:14.060 --> 26:15.159 son against daughter, 26:15.160 --> 26:17.160 but the Bible also talks about 26:17.160 --> 26:19.480 our families are going to be reunited. 26:19.980 --> 26:23.080 It's not just the spiritual family, 26:23.080 --> 26:24.359 though it is, 26:24.360 --> 26:30.440 but I'm believing it's going to be families all over the world that are going to be reunited, Cynthia. 26:30.960 --> 26:34.660 And the reason is because they're hearing stories like yours. 26:34.800 --> 26:35.800 There's hope. 26:36.500 --> 26:38.460 There's a spark of light. 26:38.640 --> 26:40.040 Do you agree with that? 26:40.860 --> 26:42.040 Yes, I do. 26:42.180 --> 26:44.080 And there's also an order to that. 26:44.940 --> 26:48.800 What I mean by that specifically specifically God's a God of order 26:48.800 --> 26:56.360 it's and marriage is honorable above all so first as the bride of Christ the true ecclesy of the 26:56.360 --> 27:05.940 true set-apart ones we have to be in order in our army so, Jesus died for everyone. And we have to reflect 27:05.940 --> 27:10.720 that our whole life. That's the only reason we're alive 24 seven. 27:11.820 --> 27:15.720 Absolutely, absolutely. Alright, so let's talk about the time 27:15.720 --> 27:20.940 that they finally took your son away from you. They didn't bring 27:20.940 --> 27:25.520 him back. Okay. Um, How old was he then, roughly? 27:29.040 --> 27:35.040 Sixteen. Okay. All right. And where did they take him when they took him, this time when they didn't 27:35.040 --> 27:45.020 bring him back? I'm not sure if it was their house or some other place that they were taking him at that point. 27:45.320 --> 27:46.279 Okay. 27:46.280 --> 27:53.240 Okay. Do you believe that they were exposing him to SRA satanic ritual abuse? 27:54.620 --> 27:56.560 Well, that's what it is. 27:57.300 --> 27:58.640 That's what it is. 27:58.860 --> 27:59.279 Yeah. 27:59.280 --> 27:59.739 Yeah. 27:59.740 --> 28:00.159 Okay. 28:00.160 --> 28:12.740 Let me restructure the question. Do you think this was a corporate event, meaning a group of people? 28:14.400 --> 28:15.259 Okay. 28:15.260 --> 28:15.619 All right. 28:15.620 --> 28:20.280 Now, what I'm getting to is a coven is 13. 28:20.960 --> 28:22.120 There could have been 13. 28:22.120 --> 28:25.900 I mean, maybe you knew six people, but they could have gotten more together. 28:26.080 --> 28:27.420 This is how witchcraft is. 28:27.480 --> 28:28.660 They operate like that. 28:29.460 --> 28:31.900 They think there's power in that number. 28:32.620 --> 28:37.340 Plus, the church is across from a Masonic temple, right? 28:37.940 --> 28:38.859 Yes. 28:38.860 --> 28:40.860 And many of the leaders in the church were Masons. 28:41.120 --> 28:47.840 They're Masons. church were masons they're masons so you have a formula a cocktail of witchcraft sorcery 28:48.520 --> 28:55.920 necromancy uh obviously sra so yeah i mean that's a stronghold cynthia don't you 28:55.920 --> 29:00.360 it's a stronghold it's a portal um so 29:00.360 --> 29:06.100 on underground i want to talk about this but I don't think we can get in. 29:06.540 --> 29:12.780 We'll get close to it. I don't think we can get to it on this particular broadcast because of censorship. 29:13.600 --> 29:26.840 But do you think it's a possibility that they would take him to a place and there would be a ritual performed on your son, 15 years old, 29:27.580 --> 29:34.620 and it would be a corporate structure doing it, 29:34.880 --> 29:38.620 intentional with an agenda, okay, 29:38.760 --> 29:42.760 as opposed to just let's go have fun, let's do this, let's do that. 29:43.660 --> 29:44.939 What do you say? 29:44.940 --> 29:48.619 Well, it definitely was to let's not go have fun. Let's do this. Let's say, what do you say? 29:48.620 --> 29:54.580 Well, it definitely was to let's not just have fun. It was to stop. Absolutely my testimony and get the money that we that 29:54.580 --> 29:59.200 the Lord had blessed us with. Okay, finally, absolutely. So 29:59.200 --> 30:02.200 you can ritual I have to understand exactly what you mean 30:02.200 --> 30:05.420 by that. Everything that the enemy does is a ritual. 30:05.700 --> 30:06.579 It is. 30:06.580 --> 30:07.359 It is. 30:07.360 --> 30:11.960 And I'll get into it in just a second if we have time, because I have so many questions to ask you. 30:12.020 --> 30:14.380 So I got to pray how important that is. 30:14.720 --> 30:15.179 I understand. 30:15.180 --> 30:21.400 You came into money and they knew you had money and you think that was one of the things they were after is your money? 30:21.960 --> 30:22.639 I don't think. 30:22.640 --> 30:24.180 I know it for a fact. 30:24.500 --> 30:25.399 All right. 30:25.400 --> 30:35.560 Okay. 100%. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. So sometimes, not all the time, but at times there can be covens. 30:35.900 --> 30:42.740 There are neighborhoods. Covens are all over, right? And covens aren't these people, you know, 30:43.140 --> 30:48.280 necessarily with a witch's hat on or with a, you know, a cape on or whatever. 30:48.440 --> 30:52.320 I mean, this could be people in your church. It could be, you know, whatever. 30:53.300 --> 31:06.640 But they have a very specific thing that they're doing in these satanic ritual abuse ceremonies. Okay. It's a ceremony and it's a repetition. And in these ceremonies, 31:06.640 --> 31:13.760 they can either elect to inflict pain so that they can split personalities. They haven't, 31:14.440 --> 31:19.720 each one has a specific agenda as to what they're trying to get through, what they're trying to 31:19.720 --> 31:32.460 accomplish. And I guess my question for you, as far as you know, is what type of, was it a ceremony, if you even know, what was their agenda and was it repetitious? 31:36.060 --> 31:37.340 It's not just them. 31:37.460 --> 31:52.400 It's what we came side of the family. 31:52.560 --> 31:54.720 We were already up against that. 31:55.260 --> 32:01.060 So the minister of the church, this church, wanted to put gargoyles on the top of the church. 32:01.760 --> 32:03.820 We have those in Louisville, Kentucky. 32:04.100 --> 32:05.300 It's in my book. They've got, 32:05.620 --> 32:12.540 matter of fact, Kentucky, there was back in the 30s and 40s, they spotted gargoyles flying 32:12.540 --> 32:19.360 overhead of the churches. Yeah, very demonic. These are, yeah, it's interesting you'd say that. 32:19.360 --> 32:25.980 Do you think they tried to split him? Do you think your son suffers from multiple personalities? 32:26.300 --> 32:29.120 No, it's not multiple personality, but the enemy 32:29.300 --> 32:33.500 obviously tried to split him and get him to come against me 32:33.500 --> 32:37.520 betray me. That was the whole point. divide and conquer. So 32:37.880 --> 32:41.760 and and that's going to cause confusion. All narcissistic 32:41.760 --> 32:45.700 abuse causes brain damage, all of it. It affects our brain. It 32:45.700 --> 32:50.300 changes your brain. Okay. And your soul, your mind, your emotions, your body and everything. 32:50.300 --> 32:55.760 That's a reality. It's the same effect as a severe head injury. The same effect is 32:55.760 --> 33:08.720 addiction, drug and alcohol addiction. It's a spiritual blow on the psyche because we're in the mind of Christ, and that's what they want to destroy. 33:08.880 --> 33:11.960 They want to cause brain damage on the mind of Christ. 33:12.380 --> 33:13.520 You're so right on that. 33:13.520 --> 33:20.860 It's a spiritual infliction, and it's just as bad as someone taking a baseball bat and whacking you upside the head. 33:20.940 --> 33:32.000 This is what I've tried to tell people for years, that they have brain damage and they go, no, he never hit me. Yes, he did. The demons whacked you spiritually over and over 33:32.000 --> 33:37.660 again. And this is why people have to go back and renew their mind and really work on the mind of 33:37.660 --> 33:47.780 Christ. Cynthia, before we run out of time, I need to ask you, why did they, what under, they took your son, they didn't bring him back. 33:47.920 --> 33:51.020 Why'd they tell you they wouldn't bring him back? What was the reason for that? 33:51.400 --> 33:56.460 Well, I thought he was upstairs. My phone rang early in the morning. I got up and it was children 33:56.460 --> 34:02.160 and youth. They had made a false report and I didn't, I didn't even know what was going on. I 34:02.160 --> 34:05.920 mean, I was, I was in shock and I ran in shock. And I ran upstairs and he was gone. 34:06.000 --> 34:07.120 I could tell him he was gone. 34:07.380 --> 34:08.600 So that started it. 34:08.660 --> 34:13.860 And then I went to the police and he was reported as a missing nationwide juvenile. 34:14.700 --> 34:16.800 He was reported as missing? 34:17.220 --> 34:18.920 Yeah, missing nationwide juvenile. 34:20.340 --> 34:22.420 The police and I were chased. 34:22.600 --> 34:31.680 I went to the church and said to the pastor and all the leaders, I'm going to confront the woman that has him at her that has my son at her house. 34:31.680 --> 34:37.940 I said, please watch. They they acted like they were on my side. I walked over. They turned the other way. 34:38.240 --> 34:42.860 She she was huge. She gave me a big push like this in my chest and just nailed me. 34:43.300 --> 34:47.400 OK, so he was 15, so still underage. 34:47.520 --> 34:49.780 How long was he gone until you got him back? 34:50.120 --> 34:53.920 It took a little less than a year and tens of thousands of dollars. 34:54.480 --> 34:56.140 Okay, but you did get him back. 34:57.140 --> 35:05.560 Yes, but the shape from the damage is profound on everyone. 35:06.340 --> 35:07.179 Yeah. 35:07.180 --> 35:09.320 What did they say about you? 35:09.640 --> 35:11.840 Did they say you were an unfit parent? 35:12.000 --> 35:14.860 I mean, they had no reason to take him away from you. 35:14.940 --> 35:16.320 What was the reason for that? 35:16.380 --> 35:19.320 No, the reason is the world is not Christian, okay? 35:19.340 --> 35:21.920 I didn't have TV because we read and we were musicians. 35:22.160 --> 35:23.380 So we did all that. 35:23.580 --> 35:24.419 They used that. 35:24.420 --> 35:27.240 They said she deprives them from television. 35:27.400 --> 35:28.740 They used all the worldly things. 35:28.780 --> 35:30.760 They said I was sexually abusing him. 35:31.060 --> 35:32.700 It was just made up things. 35:33.060 --> 35:40.520 They just made it look like what they were doing was what I was doing. 35:40.980 --> 35:41.459 Right. 35:41.460 --> 35:46.080 It's almost like they tried to make you look like you were a cult, but actually 35:46.080 --> 35:50.620 they were. They were trying to make you look like what they really were. This is what demons do. 35:50.820 --> 35:59.720 That's what Jezebel specifically does. Yeah, they do. So when you got him back, he was 16, I guess. 36:00.400 --> 36:10.340 Was he a different person? Did he have to go into therapy? Did you pray over him? Did you cast out any demons? What was happening during that time that he was gone? 36:11.200 --> 36:25.840 Well, I walk in deliverance. And Lance and I had always been at that level. I did my best. I'm leaving out some of the things, the complications that I had to go through to get 36:25.840 --> 36:33.420 him back, which medically injured me profoundly. And in conjunction, I just had to walk and 36:33.420 --> 36:38.180 continually seek what Jesus showed me in heaven because he warned me this would happen. 36:38.740 --> 36:45.120 So as usual, it was just help Jesus, give me the wisdom. Tell me you show me this. Tell me exactly what to do. 36:46.120 --> 36:48.340 And it was it at that time. 36:48.480 --> 36:49.039 Exactly. 36:49.040 --> 36:51.380 It was extreme agape love. 36:51.400 --> 36:53.600 And that's all the facets of Jesus. 36:54.640 --> 37:00.600 And that's not an easy thing to do with someone who's injured because even Jesus with the whip is love. 37:01.140 --> 37:06.580 However, someone who is severely narcissistic abused, it doesn't really need 37:06.580 --> 37:13.940 Jesus with the whip. You got to really have, it's a very, very narrow, fine way. So I just 37:13.940 --> 37:22.620 constantly was trying to manifest agape love. There's no option. Whatever facet of Jesus of 37:22.620 --> 37:25.600 Nazareth that is. And Jesus showed me in heaven, he was worried. 37:26.060 --> 37:27.820 This was his one major concern. 37:28.140 --> 37:30.060 People were not following the real Jesus Christ 37:30.060 --> 37:31.760 of Nazareth, the real Yeshua HaMashiach. 37:32.020 --> 37:34.000 They were following Jezebel and 37:34.000 --> 37:36.000 her, the bride of Satan 37:36.000 --> 37:37.380 instead of the bride of Christ. 37:38.340 --> 37:40.020 Cynthia, we're out of time, but 37:40.020 --> 37:41.620 you're going to be with us on Underground 37:41.620 --> 37:44.100 in about 15 37:44.100 --> 37:48.280 minutes. Folks, if you're not a member of David Hefner TV, become a member so you can be with us 37:48.280 --> 37:48.859 Underground. 37:48.860 --> 37:55.500 I'm going to be asking Cynthia about how she went about dealing with this once she got 37:55.500 --> 37:59.580 her son back, what happened to that church. 38:00.420 --> 38:12.380 I'm going to ask her about this preacher speaking in demonic tongues and also what you can do to look for these things in the church, not only in church, but just anywhere. 38:12.820 --> 38:17.340 Right. And also I'm going to ask her about her son, how he's doing now. 38:17.560 --> 38:21.880 So, Cynthia, stay with me and I look forward to seeing you on the ground. 38:22.260 --> 38:24.020 I appreciate you so much. 38:24.780 --> 38:25.359 Thank you, David. I appreciate you so much. Thank you, David. 38:25.360 --> 38:28.660 I appreciate you giving me the honor to share this with you. 38:29.020 --> 38:29.539 Absolutely. 38:29.540 --> 38:31.820 And by the way, do you have a website or a contact? 38:32.020 --> 38:33.240 They can get in contact with you. 38:33.620 --> 38:35.780 Can we use yours for now? 38:35.780 --> 38:38.540 I'm in the process of restoring things. 38:38.940 --> 38:39.419 Okay. 38:39.420 --> 38:40.419 We'll use mine. 38:40.420 --> 38:41.059 Sounds good. 38:41.060 --> 38:42.540 I'll see you in about 15 minutes. 38:42.660 --> 38:43.519 God bless you. 38:43.520 --> 38:44.039 Appreciate it. 38:44.040 --> 38:45.419 God bless you. 38:45.420 --> 38:55.660 Yeah. If you guys want to get in touch with Cynthia, you can email me at David at David Hevener dot TV or you can call 844-806-0006. 38:55.720 --> 38:58.740 That's if you need prayer. Also, we're here for you. 38:59.420 --> 39:06.620 Now, Cynthia talked about her son did not get split. 39:07.040 --> 39:09.440 But folks, many times that's not the case. 39:09.920 --> 39:11.780 They will take children and split them. 39:12.400 --> 39:15.820 So I tracked down Kelly who runs Warrior Bride Ministries. 39:15.820 --> 39:20.700 I'll be speaking there this coming weekend. 39:21.920 --> 39:24.140 And she's going to talk about program multiples. 39:24.260 --> 39:25.320 She has a ministry that does 39:25.320 --> 39:34.620 that. So let's take a look and see what Kelly has to say. I asked you, Kelly, about program 39:34.620 --> 39:42.880 multiples because you're one of the few ministries that I deal with, a few, I mean, I've got three or 39:42.880 --> 39:46.080 four, that really understand it. When you say DID, 39:46.460 --> 39:53.340 folks, Dissociative Identity Disorder, that's the actual scientific mental health term you might say. 39:55.120 --> 40:00.140 Program multiples is when someone is programmed, usually intentionally, doesn't always have to be, 40:00.220 --> 40:06.320 it could be individually by somebody or it could be a corporate done corporately usually for a 40:06.320 --> 40:13.200 purpose for an agenda Kelly when it comes to program multiples someone that's had a personality 40:13.200 --> 40:27.360 split for whatever reason they come to you guys what's the first thing you do do you cast out out demons? Do you pray over them? How does the healing happen? Well, we have a skeleton 40:27.360 --> 40:35.460 system, but we let the Holy Spirit move. Everybody goes to the website, they fill out paperwork, 40:35.460 --> 40:41.200 they get on my schedule, and then I'm kind of the gatekeeper in terms of I meet with them, 40:41.840 --> 40:45.520 I go over their paperwork, I try to get to know them, get to know their 40:45.520 --> 40:52.080 history, see where they really are in terms of their willingness to do the work or abilities 40:52.080 --> 40:56.320 and different stuff like that. And most of the time they'll get an appointment with me, 40:56.320 --> 41:02.640 but sometimes we'll have them go to do some of the classes first and then they might be ready 41:02.640 --> 41:10.080 to meet with me. When you meet with me, we go through a process of start dismantling what the enemy has built. 41:10.280 --> 41:14.360 OK, and I want to circle back around on that dismantling. 41:14.560 --> 41:19.040 But before I do, how many people in your 41:19.240 --> 41:28.800 estimate would be victims of SRA, which is Satanic Ritual Abuse, causing the multiple, causing the splitting 41:28.800 --> 41:34.800 of personality. I mean, I know it's conjecture to a certain extent, but the people you've dealt with, 41:34.800 --> 41:40.560 how many of them have come from SRA as opposed to just regular abuse? 41:42.640 --> 41:48.520 Well, the majority come from SRA that come to us, I think, because the word's out that we 41:48.520 --> 41:56.620 understand. The, you know, in theory, if you're not as far on the trauma spectrum through all this, 41:56.620 --> 42:02.060 you can get help and you can get healing through doing the more natural things of 42:02.060 --> 42:06.800 turning to Yeshua, making him your lord and savior repenting 42:06.800 --> 42:13.840 getting in the word um you know all these kind of things different different therapies that the the 42:13.840 --> 42:20.240 worldly um counselors have you can get some healing through that you know but when you start 42:20.240 --> 42:26.060 to get farther over the counselors don't understand it you know you have to go where 42:26.060 --> 42:32.160 somewhere where the lord has taught you how to dismantle yeah and um so that's kind of where 42:32.160 --> 42:37.600 our sweet spot is i do see the others when they come but this is where i spend the majority of 42:37.600 --> 42:47.600 my time so i mean the percentage is very high it's 80 wow Wow. We have just a few minutes. I want to ask you about the dismantling 42:47.600 --> 43:00.120 of, which I like that analogy, that terminology. How do you dismantle the personalities? How do 43:00.120 --> 43:03.960 you put those back together? How do you heal those? How do you have those dismantled? 43:09.500 --> 43:13.120 Well, again, there's commonalities. There's a skeleton to it, but it depends on what they've been through because there's all different, which you alluded to, all different kinds of 43:13.120 --> 43:20.460 peoples and groups and sophistication out there in terms of the programming and the trauma and 43:20.460 --> 43:26.520 the making of the splits and all these things. So we have to figure out, okay, what exactly happened? 43:26.700 --> 43:27.900 What kind of group was it? 43:28.260 --> 43:29.740 What was the sophistication? 43:30.600 --> 43:33.100 As I go, as I learn more and more, 43:33.180 --> 43:35.820 the Lord is teaching me ways to get to the root faster, 43:36.560 --> 43:38.720 but it has been quite the journey and learning. 43:38.940 --> 43:42.520 But what I usually do is I start with an overall session 43:42.520 --> 43:44.680 in which you, you know, if they're ready, 43:44.820 --> 43:45.579 you go through things like forgiving, you know, if they're ready, you go through things 43:45.580 --> 43:50.340 like forgiving, you know, forgiving yourself, forgiving them, choosing, you know, asking for 43:50.340 --> 43:55.540 forgiveness. And then we go through breaking of contracts, dedications, vows, rituals, blood 43:55.540 --> 44:01.360 comings, curses, hexes, vexes, dramatic magic, all these kinds of things. We break all that, 44:01.500 --> 44:05.120 go into ungodly soul ties ties go into the courtroom of heaven 44:05.760 --> 44:13.040 evict and once we kind of you know do an overall cleaning and then we start um seeing if the parts 44:13.040 --> 44:18.880 are ready to come up and speak and get their voice back and then we let them know that you know 44:18.880 --> 44:27.040 they're no longer stuck in that situation that the bad people are gone um when their confidence that we're safe people 44:27.840 --> 44:33.600 and eventually as they process what they need to process and repent for what they need to repent 44:33.600 --> 44:51.880 for um we introduce them to yeshua and he does his work and that's kind of the next step. But then eventually you want to get down to the foundation so that you can dismantle the whole thing can fall down. 44:51.880 --> 44:58.880 Because it is when you're talking about the more sophisticated, it is very there's a method there. 44:59.540 --> 45:00.720 It's very scientific. 45:01.300 --> 45:07.700 It's it's a creation of the of the enemy's temple within a child. 45:08.380 --> 45:14.840 Okay. So basically casting out the demons, cleaning house, and then going in and letting 45:14.840 --> 45:20.860 the healing happen. It's two separate issues. You can't go in and try to heal people when you got 45:20.860 --> 45:25.500 all the demon, demonic warfare going on, nor can you just cast out demons and 45:25.500 --> 45:29.060 leave people on their own because they're still broken. They still need to be healed. 45:30.280 --> 45:38.380 Let me, as we close on this, I need to ask you, what is the purpose behind most of the programming? 45:39.180 --> 45:47.880 What, what is the agenda? Who's behind it? what are they trying to do okay in my opinion which i do this every day 45:47.880 --> 45:55.420 for multiple hours a day so my opinion is that it's the enemy creating his army for the end times 45:55.420 --> 46:01.320 so if they get the child you know before they even they're in the womb a lot of times or even 46:01.320 --> 46:07.920 you know at conception and you start making um making satanic soldiers 46:09.040 --> 46:14.240 but they don't know you know because they've been put to sleep um at a certain at a certain 46:14.240 --> 46:19.200 point they activate them you know they activate them for different jobs periodically but at some 46:19.200 --> 46:26.140 point when the antichrist comes they'll activate the child part, one of the child parts, and they will believe 46:26.140 --> 46:31.380 that it's their daddy because they're so desperate for a mommy and a daddy. They will believe that 46:31.380 --> 46:38.840 it's their daddy and they will rise and do exactly what he says to do to usher in, you know, his 46:38.840 --> 46:47.500 kingdom, you know. I, Russ Dizdar and I have done, did many interviews before he went on to be with the Lord. 46:47.500 --> 46:52.880 And I went with him, had boots on the ground, and we spent a lot of time together talking about things. 46:52.880 --> 46:55.580 But as much off the air as on the air. 46:55.580 --> 47:08.180 But the thing is, the thing that hit home was, this was four years ago, over 10 million program multiples in the United States today, over 47:08.180 --> 47:09.680 10 million. 47:09.680 --> 47:12.260 Kelly, I agree with you. 47:12.260 --> 47:15.100 I think they've been programmed for a time and a place. 47:15.100 --> 47:16.540 I think they're sleeper cells. 47:16.540 --> 47:22.340 I think they're in the government, law enforcement, entertainment, and the religious system. 47:22.340 --> 47:25.860 And there's going to come a time when that button, that, that lever 47:25.860 --> 47:32.660 is going to be flipped and they're going to come alive and, uh, as Satan's army. And so what you're 47:32.660 --> 47:39.500 doing with warrior bride is you're dismantling that before that happens before they have a chance 47:39.500 --> 47:48.240 to have, uh, give us one more time, your, uh, website and how they can get tickets and how they can come see us in the day. 47:48.920 --> 47:53.940 OK, so the website is www.warriorbrideministries.com. 47:54.120 --> 47:59.940 You go on there and there's a drop down menu says 2025 conference, September 12th through 14th. 48:00.580 --> 48:02.320 We're going to have a great time. 48:02.460 --> 48:05.560 You know, this is a heavy subject, but we also like to have 48:05.560 --> 48:11.220 fun and the Lord likes us to have fun. We're going to have baptisms on the beach. We're going to have 48:11.220 --> 48:17.520 a nice fish dinner, beachside, you know, all kinds of fun things and bonfires and some more. So 48:17.520 --> 48:22.380 come. I mean, a lot of people are talking about this and some people are saying, well, what do 48:22.380 --> 48:28.300 we do about it? Well, this is what you do about it. You get involved. You come get in your position. Your position might not be exactly 48:28.300 --> 48:34.480 what mine is, or maybe it is, but you know what? We need administration. We need media. We need 48:34.480 --> 48:40.240 friends of the survivors. We need mentors. We need teachers, counselors. I mean, there's just, 48:40.240 --> 48:46.460 the list is endless. That's right, folks. We are exposing it. 48:46.740 --> 48:47.800 We are exposing it. 48:47.800 --> 48:52.520 You can join us for the 12th, 13th, 14th, September. 48:52.520 --> 49:00.620 But I wanted to run that for you because it's happening. 49:01.300 --> 49:03.940 You know, I'm getting people coming to me at conferences saying, 49:04.060 --> 49:07.220 David, I fear that I'm a program multiple. 49:08.000 --> 49:09.440 I lose track of time. 49:09.500 --> 49:10.700 And what are the three things? 49:11.640 --> 49:18.680 Hear voices, lose track of time, and a lot of times you can't remember a good section of your childhood. 49:18.680 --> 49:22.100 It doesn't mean you are, but it means that you could be, certainly. 49:23.600 --> 49:26.480 And you could be, but not have all three of those things, 49:26.520 --> 49:28.400 or at least not know that you have them. 49:29.840 --> 49:34.620 In this last days, the Antichrist is going to rise with his troops. 49:35.180 --> 49:39.700 And these troops have been programmed to do what it is that they are supposed to do. 49:39.780 --> 49:40.940 And it's not a good thing. 49:41.560 --> 49:43.119 So help us. 49:43.120 --> 49:44.640 Go to davidheavener.tv. 49:45.640 --> 49:50.320 Sign up. 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