BUILDING THAT NO MUSCLE THROUGH REPS. AND ONE OF THE WAYS YOU
GET THE REPS IS BY SAYING, NO, I DON'T GET EVERYTHING I WANT.
>> HEY GUYS. WELCOME BACK TO THE PODCAST. I AM JOINED TODAY
WITH KEENAN CLARK. >> COME ON EVANGELIST.
>> COME. >> ON YOUNG EVANGELIST.
>> THANKS REBECCA. >> YOU GOT YOU GOT THAT LIKE
FIRE IN YOU. >> YEAH I DO A LITTLE BIT. YEAH.
>> IT'S LIKE SOMETIMES THE WHOLE LIKE FIRE IN MY BONES
THING IS LIKE. YEAH I REALLY IDENTIFY WITH THAT. LIKE SOME
PEOPLE ARE LIKE YOU YELL A LOT. I'M LIKE, I REALLY HAVE NO
OTHER CHOICE. IT'S JUST IN THERE.
>> YEAH, YEAH. NO, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT WITH
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT LIKE, SUPER YOUNG. I WOULD SAY YOU'RE LIKE,
IN THE MIDDLE. YOU'RE 30. YEAH. AND SO YOU'VE BEEN IN MINISTRY
FOR YOU HAVE SOME YEARS IN YOU AND YOU GREW UP IN MINISTRY.
YEAH. SO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THAT AS WELL. BUT WHAT'S REALLY
INTERESTING IS I JUST HAD JOSEPH Z HERE, AND HE WAS
TALKING ABOUT HOW THE OLDER GENERATION NEEDS THE YOUNGER
GENERATION, HOW THEY NEED TO COME TOGETHER HAND IN HAND
BECAUSE THE OLDER GENERATION NEEDS THAT ENERGY AND THAT
YOUTH AND THAT FIRE IN THE YOUNGER GENERATION NEEDS WISDOM
AND GUIDANCE. AND IF WE CAN COME TOGETHER INSTEAD OF
CLASHING AGAINST EACH OTHER, WHICH IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE
CHURCH. YEAH, WE COULD MAKE SUCH A BETTER IMPACT FOR THE
KINGDOM. >> BIG TIME. YOU KNOW, I LIKE
TO SAY NEW NEW SCHOOL PLUS OLD SCHOOL EQUALS BEST SCHOOL.
>> YEAH, I LOVE THAT. >> I THINK WE GOT TO HAVE THE
OLD SCHOOL AND THE NEW SCHOOL. WE CAN ALL LEARN FROM EACH
OTHER. >> AND SPEAKING OF OLD SCHOOL,
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BOOK, CHANGE THE WORLD ON AN
EMPTY STOMACH. THE REASON WHY I SAY OLD SCHOOL IS BECAUSE IT'S
ABOUT FASTING. AND FASTING IS SUCH A LONG, OBVIOUSLY
PRINCIPLE IN THE CHURCH. IT'S IN THE BIBLE. THOUSANDS OF
YEARS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FASTING, AND YET IN THE NEW SCHOOL IT'S
BEEN KIND OF FORGOTTEN. BIG TIME, NOT REALLY BEING TALKED
ABOUT. HONESTLY, IT'S NOT REALLY BEING TALKED ABOUT MUCH.
>> YEAH. NO, I THINK IT'S LIKE IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE
THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO POO POO IT. AND YEAH, IT KIND OF
LIKE IT LITERALLY. AND LIKE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING A
LITTLE DEEP QUICK, BUT I LIKE THAT IN THE ERA AND I'M ALL FOR
THIS. BUT IN THE ERA THAT IT REALLY BEGAN, THE NARRATIVE
BEGAN TO SHIFT OF, WELL, IT'S NOT ABOUT A RELIGION, IT'S
ABOUT A RELATIONSHIP. ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE A
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD LIKE HAPPEN. WE THREW OUT. SO LIKE
READING OUR BIBLE, PRAYER, FASTING, ALL THESE THINGS ARE,
OH, THAT'S RELIGIOUS. WE DON'T. IT'S JUST ABOUT BEING IN
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. WELL, A RELATIONSHIP HAS LIKE BUILT IN
THINGS WHERE YOU COME AROUND AND YOU'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS
HOW WE SPEND TIME TOGETHER. THIS IS WHAT WE DO. THIS IS HOW
WE FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP. AND I AGREE, LEGALISM AND THE
LEAVEN OF RELIGION NEEDED TO GO. BUT THE THINGS THAT LIKE MAKE A
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD WORK AND TEACH US ABOUT GOD, I MEAN,
THEOLOGY, THE STUDY OF GOD. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT SHOULD
MATTER TO US AND LIKE US TAKING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A NEW
GENERATION NEEDS, NEEDS, ANCIENT PRINCIPLES, ANCIENT
TRUTH. THAT'S WHY I'M THANKFUL FOR THE SCRIPTURES. IN 200
YEARS FROM NOW, SHOULD CHRIST TARRY AND NOT COME BACK IN OUR
LIFETIME, WHICH I REALLY DO BELIEVE HE WILL. I BELIEVE WE
WERE ON THE PRECIPICE OF THE RETURN OF CHRIST. THE BIBLE
WILL STILL SAY WHAT IT SAYS. YEAH, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THE
CULTURE IS AT. I MEAN, IF WE KEEP GOING IN THE WAY
EVERYTHING'S TRENDING, WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF CULTURE WILL
BE HERE IN 200 YEARS. BUT THE WORD OF GOD REMAINS TRUE, AND
THE PRINCIPLES WILL ALWAYS WORK. AND, AND AND THE WORD HAS HAS
BUILT IN PROMISES AND BUILT IN GUARANTEES. AND OUR PROBLEM IS
WE JUST DON'T ENACT THEM. YOU KNOW, WE ALL WE JUST WANT LIKE,
WELL, GIVE ME SOMETHING TO BELIEVE. GIVE ME SOMETHING TO
REPEAT TO MYSELF IN THE MIRROR. AND IT'S LIKE, ACTUALLY YOU
NEED SOMETHING YOU NEED. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU NEED TO REPEAT
YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR. YOU NEED TO PUSH YOUR PLATE ASIDE
AND SEEK THE LORD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR PROBLEM. WE'RE SO
ADDICTED WITH LOOKING AT OURSELVES IN THE MIRROR THAT WE
NEVER HOLD THE MIRROR UP AND SEE LIKE, LORD, CHANGE ME.
THAT'S THE WORD OF GOD IS. IT IS A MIRROR. IT SHOWS YOU, MAN,
THIS IS WHERE I NEED YOU. LORD PRODUCES THAT. PSALM 51 LIKE A
REPENTANT HEART THAT I THINK YOU KNOW, WE LACK A LOT OF THE
TIME. >> YEAH. AND YOU TAPPED IN SUCH
A GOOD POINT THAT WE NEED THAT ANCIENT TRUTH, THAT ANCIENT
WISDOM THAT'S FOUND IN GOD'S WORD. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE
PRODUCTS OF OUR CULTURE, WHETHER WE REALIZE IT OR NOT.
FOR SURE. WE LIVE IN A VERY MUCH A MICROWAVE CULTURE. WE
WANT PLEASURE. WE WANT THINGS QUICKLY. YEAH. INSTANT
GRATIFICATION. YEAH. AND DENIAL OF SELF IS NOT POPULAR SPEAK,
ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA, ESPECIALLY IN WESTERN CULTURE.
AND SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE IN THEIR
FLESH WILL WANT TO HEAR. BUT I THINK YOU HIT SUCH AN IMPORTANT
TOPIC, WHICH IS AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS, IS THAT PEOPLE
SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT ABOUT RELIGION, IT'S ABOUT A
RELATIONSHIP. AND YOU SAID THIS IN ANOTHER INTERVIEW, WHICH IS,
WELL, WHAT IS YOUR WHY? YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T FAST TO BE
SAVED. I'M SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS. BUT I FAST BECAUSE
I'M A DISCIPLE OF JESUS. I'M A FOLLOWER OF JESUS. AND IF HE
DID IT AND IT WAS IMPORTANT IN HIS LIFE AND HIS EARTHLY
MINISTRY, HOW MUCH MORE SHOULD I AS A FOLLOWER DO IT AS WELL?
AND WHY WOULDN'T I DENY MYSELF TO HAVE MORE OF HIM? AND SO WE
TAP INTO WE'RE NOT SAVED BY WHAT WE DO, BUT AS DISCIPLES
WE'RE CALLED TO FOLLOW SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINES SO THAT
WE'LL BE SPIRITUALLY FIT. YOU THINK ABOUT THE APOSTLE PAUL.
HE SAYS, I TRAIN MY BODY LIKE AN ATHLETE, THAT I MIGHT RUN
THE RACE AND FINISH IT, YOU KNOW, TO RECEIVE THAT PRIZE.
AND SO WE ARE RUNNING A RACE, AND WE WILL STAND BEFORE GOD,
AND GOD WANTS US TO BE WALKING IN THE FULLNESS OF HIM. HE
WANTS US TO WALK IN VICTORY. AND FASTING IS A TOOL THAT HE
HAS GIVEN US TO. LIKE YOU SAID, PUT YOUR FLESH INTO SUBMISSION
TO HIS WILL AND TO RECEIVE MORE OF HIM. SO IT'S NOT RELIGIOUS.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BREAK OFF THAT LIE.
>> BIG TIME. YEAH. THERE'S A THERE'S A STIGMA THAT COMES
WITH IT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I
DON'T WANT TO CATCH RELIGION, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE AS
IF IT'S A BOOGEYMAN, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING. AND IF, IF I'M
GIVEN THE OPTIONS HERE, LET'S SAY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST DOING
WHATEVER I WANT AND CLAIMING THE GRACE OF GOD WILL COVER IT
IS OVER HERE. AND THEN STEPPING INTO A RELIGION IS ON THIS SIDE.
I WOULD RATHER AIR CLOSER TO THIS SIDE BECAUSE I JUST THINK
IT'S A IT'S A NOBLER FALL. YOU STILL GOT TO REPENT, GET BACK
UP. BUT IT'S A NOBLER FALL TO FALL INTO. LIKE, OH, MAN, I'M
OPERATING IN A RELIGIOUS SPIRIT BECAUSE AT LEAST IT'S LIKE,
LORD, I CARE ABOUT YOUR WORD. I'M TRYING. MAYBE I DID MAKE
MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT RELIGION. I WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND
OF LIKE PUTTING A HEAVY BURDEN ON MYSELF AND OTHERS. BUT AT
LEAST I'M TRYING, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND SO I WOULD
RATHER RUN THE RISK IF I'M GOING TO, TO ONE SIDE OR THE
OTHER, I HAVE MADE THE DECISION. I WOULD RATHER RUN THE RISK OF
SOMEBODY CALLING ME LEGALISTIC OR SOMEBODY CALLING ME, OH,
YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE RELIGIOUS OR WHATEVER. THEN SOMEONE BEING
LIKE, OH, THEN YOU'RE SORT OF LIKE TAKING THE GRACE OF GOD IN
VAIN. >> LIKE TAKING IT FOR GRANTED.
>> YEAH. TAKING IT FOR GRANTED. YOU KNOW, TITUS SAYS THAT
CHAPTER TWO, HE SAYS IT IS THE GRACE OF GOD THAT TEACHES YOU
TO SAY NO TO UNGODLINESS. THE GRACE WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT
TAUGHT US HOW TO SAY, I'M SORRY. NOT NO. THE REAL BIBLICAL GRACE
TEACHES YOU HOW TO SAY NO. YOU SAY NO ON THE FRONT SIDE OF SIN.
YOU SAY, I'M SORRY ON THE BACK SIDE. AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF
CHRISTIANS WHO ARE GOOD AT SAYING, I'M SORRY, AND THEN GO
AND DO IT AGAIN. BUT, OH, I CAN SAY GRACE. SO I'M SAYING I'M
SORRY AGAIN VERSUS STANDING UP AND SAYING, NO. THE GRACE OF
GOD HAS CHANGED MY MIND THAT THIS IS A A BEHAVIOR THAT IS IN
DISCORDANCE WITH WHO I AM AS A SON OF GOD. THIS IS IN
DISCORDANCE WITH WHO I AM AS A BLOOD BOUGHT, COMPLETELY
REGENERATED, MADE IN THE IMAGE SON OF GOD. AND YEAH, I NO
LONGER WANT TO BEHAVE IN THAT WAY. AND DO I FALL AND DO I
STILL? YES. BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THE SAME
FLAVOR OF ERROR. THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. WE WILL ALL SIN. WE
WILL STILL ALL NEED THE GRACE OF GOD. BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE
LIKE, MAN. I'VE BEEN JUST DEALING WITH THIS SINCE, YOU
KNOW, 95. IT'S LIKE, HAVE YOU EVER REALLY TOLD ANYBODY THEN
ARE YOU REALLY WALKING IN THE LIGHT AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT?
ARE YOU REALLY LIKE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL THEN MAYBE THEY'RE
LIKE, WE'RE GETTING DEEP QUICK, SORRY. BUT LIKE, PEOPLE ARE
LIKE, MAN, I'M A ADDICTED TO THIS OR THAT ON MY PHONE. AND
IT'S LIKE, DO YOU REALLY NEED A PHONE? WELL, YOU KNOW, LIKE
EVERYBODY'S GOT A PHONE. REALLY? SOUNDS LIKE YOURS IS A HUGE
STUMBLING BLOCK. LIKE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO HAVE LIKE, A FLIP
PHONE OR RELY ON SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAS A PHONE, BECAUSE TO ME,
THE HIGHEST PRIORITY IS CHRIST LIKENESS. TO ME, THE HIGHEST
PRIORITY IS OBEDIENCE, CONSECRATION, WALKING IN THE
GRACE OF GOD. NOT AM I RELEVANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SADLY,
FASTING IS JUST NOT A VERY RELEVANT MESSAGE, SO THEREFORE
IT DOESN'T GET TALKED ABOUT. >> YEAH, I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE
THOUGH WHO DID TALK, WHO DO TALK ABOUT FASTING A LOT, AND
THERE IS JUST SUCH AN ANOINTING ON THEIR MINISTRIES LIKE
JENTEZEN FRANKLIN SOMETIME. COME ON. YEAH, HE'S HE WAS ONE
OF YOU KNOW, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FASTING FOR A REALLY,
REALLY LONG TIME. VLAD SAVCHUK HE TALKS ABOUT FASTING A LOT.
SO THERE IS SUCH AN ANOINTING AND POWER AND GRACE THAT COMES
WITH FASTING, AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER
THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH,
IT'S A RELATIONSHIP, IT'S NOT RELIGION, BUT IT'S LIKE IF YOU
CARRIED THAT KIND OF ENERGY INTO AN ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP,
LIKE, WE'RE BOTH MARRIED, RIGHT? IF WE TREATED OUR SPOUSE THAT
WAY LIKE, OH, I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT, YOU WOULD NEVER TREAT
ANYONE THAT WAY. IF YOU LOVED THEM, YOU WOULD TAKE THE MOST
CARE IN THAT RELATIONSHIP. I THINK ABOUT MY HUSBAND. I THINK
ABOUT MY CHILDREN. I WOULD. YOU NEVER HAVE A FLIPPANT ATTITUDE.
YOU'RE FINE. IT'S GONNA BE NO, NO. AND SO IT'S LIKE, WHY WOULD
YOU APPLY THAT LOGIC TO YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS, WHICH
IS YOUR MOST IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP? IT'S NOT JUST
ABOUT. AND I REMEMBER I HEARD THIS REALLY GREAT SERMON, AND I
REMEMBER HE SAID, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A SHIFT AS A BELIEVER. A
LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE GET SAVED, WE LOVE GOD FOR OUR OWN SAKES,
LIKE, SAVE ME, FORGIVE ME FOR MY SINS AND ALL THAT'S VALID.
BUT HE SAYS, YOU HAVE TO SHIFT INTO LOVING CHRIST FOR HIS SAKE,
AND THAT IS, WILL YOU SUFFER FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOSPEL?
THAT IS SO BEAUTIFUL. YEAH. AND SO THERE HAS TO BE THAT SHIFT.
WILL YOU OBEY? WILL YOU SACRIFICE? YOU KNOW, AND THIS
IS ALL COMMON THEMES THAT WE SEE IN SCRIPTURE AND EVEN JUST
THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, JUST CONTEMPLATING ON THE SUFFERING
OF JESUS AND HOW IT SAYS IN ISAIAH THAT HE WAS A MAN OF
SORROWS, SORROWS, ACQUAINTED WITH GRIEF. AND I WAS LIKE, I
DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH HE SUFFERED, HOW MUCH HE SUFFERED.
LIKE WE FOCUS ON LIKE THE CROSS. AND OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY WE
SHOULD FOCUS ON THE CROSS. BUT I'M SAYING NOT JUST LIKE THE
PHYSICAL SUFFERING, BUT THE EMOTIONAL SUFFERING, THE MENTAL
SUFFERING. IT'S LIKE I NEVER REALLY CONTEMPLATED HOW MUCH HE
SUFFERED FOR US FOR OUR SAKES. AND HE'S CALLING US, LIKE IT
SAYS IN PHILIPPIANS, INTO THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS.
>> YEAH, YOU THINK ABOUT CHRIST. I MEAN, WE WE THINK ABOUT, OF
COURSE, WE JUST THE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CHRIST SUFFERING,
WE GO TO THE CRUCIFIXION, WHICH RIGHTFULLY SO. I MEAN, LIKE YOU.
PINNACLE OF PINNACLE OF OUR FAITH AND THE PINNACLE OF HUMAN
SUFFERING. YEAH. IT'S TRUE, BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT ON A
MORE MINUTE LEVEL, LIKE THERE IS NOT ONE LEVEL OR ONE THING
YOU CAN WALK THROUGH ON PLANET EARTH THAT CHRIST IS NOT
ALREADY WALKED THROUGH. I MEAN, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF
THE BIGGEST PAIN POINTS I'M SEEING FOR PEOPLE IS THIS
INNATE FEELING THAT THEY ARE MISUNDERSTOOD. JUST
MISUNDERSTOOD. PEOPLE JUST DON'T GET ME. THEY DON'T
UNDERSTAND ME. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEING MISUNDERSTOOD?
THERE IS NO ONE WHO HAS BEEN MORE MISUNDERSTOOD THAN CHRIST
JESUS. >> THAT'S SO TRUE.
>> THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD MAN IN HUMAN HISTORY, THE SACRIFICE,
THE PROPITIATION FOR YOUR SINS. YET YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO
REJECT HIM. TALK ABOUT A MISUNDERSTANDING HERE. TALK
ABOUT ACTING LIKE HE'S NOT WORTHY OF YOUR LITTLE 80 YEARS
YOU'VE BEEN GIFTED ON THIS PLANET, IF THAT. LIKE YOU WANT
TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN MISUNDERSTOOD. YOU ARE. WE
ARE FOLLOWING THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD MAN.
>> WHO HAS MISUNDERSTOOD. >> STILL TO THIS DAY.
>> AND STILL BEING. WHAT'S THE WORD? HE'S BEING. PEOPLE TWIST.
>> MISREPRESENTED, MISS. >> YEAH. THEY MISREPRESENT HIM
TO FIT THEIR OWN PERSONAL AGENDAS. HE'S THE MOST
MISREPRESENTED PERSON BECAUSE, I MEAN, EVEN OTHER FAITHS ARE
LIKE, WE BELIEVE IN THIS KIND OF VERSION OF JESUS.
>> WELL, MY JESUS, YEAH, I'M LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A
JESUS. YEAH, I THOUGHT THE SCRIPTURES HAD A JESUS, YOU
KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THE JESUS OF THE SCRIPTURES. YEAH.
IS THE JESUS I WORSHIP. YEAH. PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A JESUS IN
THEIR OWN IMAGE AND TOTALLY. >> YEAH. I MEAN, EVERYONE'S
TRYING TO TWIST. IT'S CRAZY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF
MISREPRESENTATION. HE IS A HE WAS THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD
PERSON. >> YEAH. AND I JUST THINK HE'S
ACQUAINTED WITH THAT SUFFERING. HE'S ACQUAINTED WITH BETRAYAL.
I MEAN, TALK ABOUT BETRAYAL. BETRAYAL, JUDAS. BUT LET'S GET
EVEN DEEPER, PETER. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE EVERY
DISCIPLE RAN, IT WAS ONLY THE APOSTLE JOHN WHO COULD BE FOUND
AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS. MOST SCHOLARS WOULD PUT JOHN AT
MAYBE 14 YEARS OLD. SO, LIKE LARRY.
>> I ALWAYS FORGET HOW YOUNG THEY ARE. THEY WERE SO YOUNG.
>> ONLY PETER WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY OVER THE AGE OF 20,
BECAUSE JESUS SAYS TO PETER, GO TO THE FISH, GRAB THE COIN, PAY
OUR TEMPLE TAX, WHICH WOULD HAVE WHICH JUST IMPLIES THAT
THE OTHER DISCIPLES WEREN'T OLD ENOUGH TO BE REQUIRED A TEMPLE
TAX OF. YEAH, SO IT WOULD JUST BE JESUS AND PETER. THAT'S WHY
WE GET THE IDEA THAT PETER'S THE OLDEST.
>> THEY JUST ALWAYS. DEBATE THOSE GOSPELS.
>> THEY'RE SO. MUCH OLDER. THINK ABOUT THE LAST. THE
PICTURE OF THE LAST SUPPER. YEAH, THEY'RE ALL OLD MEN.
>> YEAH. AND THEY'RE ALL WHITE. >> NO. YEAH. FOR SURE. AND THAT
JUST WASN'T THE CASE, YOU KNOW? >> ANYWAYS. OKAY. SORRY. THAT
WAS A FUN LITTLE LAUGH FOR ME. OKAY, GOOD. SWITCHING BACK TO
SO FASTING. SO WHERE DID THIS CONVICTION IN THIS DESIRE TO
SHARE AND TEACH FASTING TO THE CHURCH. WHERE DID IT COME FROM?
>> YEAH, IT WAS HONESTLY BIRTHED NUMBER ONE OUT OF A, A
PERSONAL REVELATION OF THE FACT THAT FASTING, IT CHANGES YOUR
WORLD LIKE IT CHANGES FIRST AND FOREMOST BEFORE IT CHANGES
ANYTHING EXTERNALLY. IT CHANGES THINGS INTERNALLY. LIKE IT. IT
MAKES ME GO TOE TO TOE WITH ME. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE,
IT'S LIKE IT MAKES ME REALIZE LIKE, YO, THESE ARE SOME PLACES
I NEED TO INVITE THE SPIRIT OF GOD TO COME AND HANDLE THIS
BECAUSE LIKE I OUTSIDE OF HIM, I CAN'T DO IT. YOU KNOW WHAT I
KNOW, THE GREAT EIGHT MEAN? I MEAN, ROMANS EIGHT, YOU
THEOLOGIANS CALL IT. IT'S ALL ABOUT NOT WALKING IN THE FLESH
AND TRYING TO WALK IN THE SPIRIT. AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE
ITS HEAD. BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE CAUSE OUR FLESH TO, LIKE, SHOW
FLESH LIKES TO HIDE, AND SOMETIMES THE FLESH. FLESH
LIKES TO ACT AS THOUGH, LIKE, OH, IT AIN'T THAT BAD. OH, THAT
THING IS A COVERT OPERATIVE. LIKE OF OF HELL ITSELF. NO, YOU
DON'T WANT TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR FLESH. NO, BUT. ONE
DEATH, RIGHT? BUT ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAUSE IT TO REAR ITS
HEAD IS BY STARVING IT, QUITE LITERALLY, BY DEPRIVING
OURSELVES OF FOOD, YOU WILL CAUSE YOURSELF, YOUR FLESH TO
FLARE UP. AND THAT'S WHENEVER YOU GET TO ALLOW THE SPIRIT MAN
TO JUMP IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND SAY, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO
LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, BUT I'M GOING TO LIVE BY EVERY WORD
THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD. WE GET TO BE CHRIST LIKE
WHEN WE FAST. I MEAN, THAT'S LITERALLY I'M BORROWING FROM
JESUS IN MATTHEW FOUR WHERE HE SAID THAT TO SATAN, BUT I JUST
THINK IT CAUSES US TO IT CAUSES THAT FLESHLY PART OF US TO REAR
ITS HEAD. AND THEN WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO BE
LIKE, OH, YOU NEED TO CAST OUT DEMONS. YOU CAST OUT DEMONS,
BUT YOU CRUCIFY THE FLESH. YOU CAN'T CAST YOUR FLESH OUT. YOU
CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY LAY THEIR HANDS ON YOU AND SAY, FLESH BE
GONE. YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU CRUCIFY THE FLESH.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE DO THAT IS THROUGH THE DISCIPLINE
OF OF FASTING, SAYING NO. YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG BELIEVER THAT
IF YOU WILL BE GOOD AT SAYING NO TO THINGS THAT AREN'T SIN
BECAUSE YOU WANT GOD MORE, YOU WILL BE GOOD AT SAYING NO TO
THINGS THAT ARE SIN BECAUSE YOU WANT GOD MORE. AND SO MANY
PEOPLE STRUGGLE IN THIS PLACE OF LIKE, LET'S BE HONEST,
SEXUAL SIN BECAUSE THEY AREN'T, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO
SAY NO TO THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY NO TO A
CRAVING. >> IF THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT,
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE SO MANY TIMES THAT THAT STARTS SO YOUNG
IN PEOPLE AND THEN THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO BREAK OUT OF IT.
>> YEAH. BIG TIME. AND YOU HAVE TO I CALL IT THE IN THE, IN THE
BOOK, I CALL IT THE NO MUSCLE. NOBODY WANTS NO MUSCLE. BUT YOU
HAVE A MUSCLE THAT'S CALLED THE NO MUSCLE AND.
>> A GOOD MUSCLE TO DEVELOP. >> AND YOU GET GOOD AT BUILDING
THAT NO MUSCLE THROUGH REPS. AND ONE OF THE WAYS YOU GET THE
REPS IS BY SAYING, NO, I DON'T GET EVERYTHING I WANT. THAT'S
THE PROBLEM IS BECAUSE WE HAVE RAISED RAGED AGAINST LEGALISM.
AND AGAIN, I WANT TO ALWAYS SAY I'M NOT HERE TO BE A LEGALIST.
I'M NOT HERE TO PREACH LEGALISM, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE WE'VE ACTED
AS THOUGH LEGALISM IS THE ULTIMATE EVIL, WE'VE NOW LEFT
THE DOOR OPEN TO HEDONISM AND HEDONISM IS THIS PHILOSOPHY
THAT PLEASURE IS THE HIGHEST GOAL? PLEASURE GIVING MY BODY
WHAT MY BODY DESIRES RIGHT NOW, IN THIS MOMENT? HOW MIGHT I DO
THAT? WHO CAN I EXPLOIT IN ORDER TO GET THAT PLEASURE?
WHETHER IT'S A MALE OR A FEMALE? NOW EVEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, EVEN
IF IT'S AN ANIMAL, IF I CAN GET PLEASURE OUT OF IT, WELL, A
HEDONISTIC LIFESTYLE WOULD SAY, THEN GO FOR IT, SLUGGER. AND
ONE OF THE WAYS WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT GIVING INTO THE
SIN OF HEDONISM IS BY SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M NOT GOING TO
LIVE FOR PLEASURE. I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE FOR JUST LIKE
WHAT MIGHT FEEL GOOD TO GIVE MY ENDORPHINS AND MY EVEN MY
STOMACH AND MY SEXUALITY, MY CRAVINGS, MY, YOU KNOW,
IMAGINATIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO SERVE THAT
MASTER. JESUS SAYS NO ONE CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS. HE WILL LOVE
ONE AND HATE THE OTHER. YEAH, AND WHEN WE SERVE PLEASURE, AND
THERE'S AT THE LITERALLY PSALMS SAYS, AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
THERE ARE PLEASURES FOREVERMORE. NOT JUST PLEASURES HERE AND NOW,
NOT THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE FEELS GOOD IN THE MOMENT. BUT
THEN AS SOON AS IT'S OVER, INSTANT REGRET COMES UPON YOU.
HE SAYS. AT YOUR RIGHT HAND ARE PLEASURES FOREVERMORE. WHICH TO
ME I THINK IS IS A PICTURE OF CHRIST, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHO WHO
IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER. YEAH, CHRIST.
INTIMACY WITH HIM, UNION WITH HIM, ONENESS WITH HIM,
OBEDIENCE TO HIM. THAT'S OUR PLEASURE FOREVERMORE. AND IT'S
LEARNING HOW TO FIND PLEASURE IN OBEDIENCE AND KNOWING THAT
I'M IN THE WILL OF GOD. AND EVEN RECOGNIZING FASTING IS ONE
OF THE WAYS YOU COME TO KNOW THE WILL OF GOD. I MEAN, ROMANS
CHAPTER 12, VERSE ONE SAYS, I BESEECH YOU, BROTHERS, IN VIEW
OF GOD AND IN VIEW OF THE MERCY OF GOD, TO OFFER YOUR BODIES AS
A LIVING SACRIFICE, THEN IT GOES ON TO VERSE TWO, WHICH
GETS QUOTED ALL THE TIME. AND DON'T BE CONFORMED TO THE
PATTERNS OF THIS WORLD, BUT BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF
YOUR MIND. THEN YOU WILL KNOW AND BE ABLE TO TEST AND APPROVE
THE PERFECT, PLEASING WILL OF GOD. HE SAYS, VERSE ONE AND
VERSE TWO GO TOGETHER. IT'S OFFER YOUR BODIES AS A LIVING
SACRIFICE. THEN YOU WON'T BE CONFORMED TO THE PATTERNS OF
THIS WORLD. YOU'LL BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF
YOUR MIND. THEN THE WILL OF GOD IS MADE KNOWN. ONE OF THE WAYS
WE OFFER OUR BODIES AS A LIVING SACRIFICE IS THROUGH IS THROUGH
PRAYER AND FASTING. >> YEAH. AND I THINK ALSO IT'S
JUST LIKE REALLY IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE,
WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO BE LEGALISTIC, BUT LEGALISTIC
ISN'T ABOUT ACTIONS. LIKE WE SAID. IT'S ABOUT IT'S HARD.
YEAH, IT'S HARD. IT'S INTENTION. IT FOR ME, THIS IS WHERE THIS
IS WHAT THE LORD TAUGHT ME. HE ACTUALLY TAUGHT ME THIS WHEN I
WAS PREGNANT. I JUST HAD MY DAUGHTER AND I ACTUALLY TALK
ABOUT ALL THE TIME ON THIS PODCAST BECAUSE HE SHOWED ME
JEREMIAH 17 AND IT SAYS, CURSED IS THE PERSON WHO TRUSTS IN MAN,
AND THAT CAN EVEN BE YOURSELF UNLESS IT IS THE PERSON YOU
TRUST IN THE LORD. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT ACTIONS, IT'S ABOUT ARE
YOU SELF-SUFFICIENT? LIKE, OH, I'M GOING TO READ MY BIBLE. I'M
GOING TO DO IT ALL ON MY OWN. ARE YOU ABIDING IN HIM? BUT IF
YOU'RE ABIDING IN HIM, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LIVING IN A LIFE OF
COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE LED BY
HIS SPIRIT DAILY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO FILL YOUR LIFE WITH
DISCIPLINES. >> AMEN.
>> BECAUSE I ACTUALLY READ IN BIBLE SCHOOL THIS BOOK BY
DALLAS WILLARD. >> YEAH.
>> GOOD STUFF. YEAH. AND SO HE HAS THAT BOOK ON SPIRITUAL
DISCIPLINES. AND I THOUGHT HE ACTUALLY HE USES THIS ANALOGY
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. HE SAYS
SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINES. AND HE LISTS A LOT OF THEM. HE TALKS
ABOUT STEWARDSHIP. HE TALKS ABOUT FASTING. HE TALKS ABOUT
PRAYER. HE TALKS ABOUT OTHER ONES AS WELL. BUT HE SAYS THAT
SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINES ARE LIKE A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS PLAYER
PRACTICING. YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE EVERY DAY, ALL THE
TIME, HE SAYS. AND THEN IN THE MOMENT, THAT'S WHEN THE HOME
RUN COMES. THAT'S WHEN THE GRAND SLAM COMES. BUT HE SAYS,
THE WAY YOU'RE PREPARED FOR THOSE BIG MOMENTS IN MINISTRY
IS THROUGH DOING THESE SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINES EVERY
SINGLE DAY. THAT'S WHAT GETS YOU TO OPERATE ON THAT HIGHER
LEVEL. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> SO IT SHOULD BE A NORMAL PART OF ALL OF OUR LIVES
BECAUSE ALL OF US ARE CALLED. ALL OF US ARE CALLED TO SPREAD
THE KINGDOM OF GOD, RIGHT? NOT JUST PEOPLE IN FULL TIME
MINISTRY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WHATEVER, LIKE WHATEVER PLACE
YOU'RE OCCUPYING FOR THE KINGDOM. AND SO ALL OF US
SHOULD BE OPERATING ON THIS LEVEL. AND OF COURSE, IT TALKS
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN EPHESIANS, IT'S LIKE US COMING TO FULL
MATURITY IN CHRIST. AND SO THIS IS PART OF THAT. SO IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT. AND LIKE YOU SAID, AND I THINK JUST AS A PARENT,
I'M THINKING ABOUT MYSELF AND MY KIDS, EVEN AS I GET OLDER,
AS AN ADULT, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO LEARN TO SAY NO TO YOUR
FLESH. YEAH. IN LIFE, TO BE EVEN JUST SUCCESSFUL OR LIKE,
YES, BETTER FOR YOUR KIDS OR IN ANYTHING. LIKE IF YOU LIVE YOUR
LIFE ACCORDING TO YOUR BELLY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE MISERABLE
AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING FRUITFUL OR PRODUCTIVE
IN YOUR LIFE. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A SLAVE. LIKE IT SAYS IN
GALATIANS, FOR CHRIST HAS SET US FREE. SO NOW BE NO LONGER
BOUND TO THE YOKE OF SLAVERY, OF SIN. SO BASICALLY, IT'S LIKE
YOU DON'T GET SAVED AND FREE IN CHRIST TO GO BACK TO THIS. NO,
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE NOW LIVING FOR HIM. AND PAUL USES SOME STRONG
IMAGERY. HE SAYS, I'M A BOND SERVANT OF CHRIST. I'M A
LABORER OF CHRIST. I'M A PRISONER FOR THE LORD. AND SO
PAUL KIND OF PAINTS THIS PICTURE LIKE I'M LIVING FULLY
FOR GOD AND I DON'T YOU EVEN FEEL LIKE JUST FOLLOWING THE
HOLY SPIRIT, LIKE THAT'S EVEN A CONSTANT THING OF LEARNING TO
SAY NO OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO SOMETIMES IN THE MOMENT,
BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE LIKE, NO, GO OVER HERE AND DO
THIS OR NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THIS. GO DO THIS INSTEAD.
AND YOU HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE AND LIKE, FOLLOW HIS LEADING. IT'S
NOT LIKE THAT FOR EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY. BUT THERE'LL BE
MOMENTS WHERE HE DOES THAT WITH ME.
>> YEAH. BIG TIME. >> AND IF I DON'T FOLLOW THAT,
LIKE, SOMETIMES I'LL BE LIKE, OH, THAT WASN'T THE LORD, YOU
KNOW, AND I. AND THEN LATER ON I WAS LIKE, THAT WAS HIM. AND I
SHOULD HAVE LISTENED, YOU KNOW. >> ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN,
FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS
THE WAY YOU BUILD AN INCREDIBLE LEGACY. YOU LEAVE AN IMPACT YOU
HAVE. YOU KNOW, IT SAID IT WAS SAID OF DAVID THAT HE
FULFILLED THE WILL OF GOD IN HIS GENERATION. HE
FULFILLED HIS ASSIGNMENT IN HIS GENERATION. YOU WANT TO
KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT? YOU DO IT BY FOLLOWING THE
LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. BUT THE LAST THING
FOLLOWING THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IS
COMFORTABLE. AND THAT IS WHY THE HOLY. THAT'S WHY
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS CALLED THE COMFORTER. YEAH,
BECAUSE THE COMFORTER WILL LEAD YOU TO UNCOMFORTABLE
PLACES. THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A COMFORTER.
>> THAT'S SUCH A GOOD WORD. >> YOU NEED THE COMFORTER
BECAUSE HE IS. IT'S LIKE, YO, IT'S WRITTEN. IT'S LIKE
IT KIND OF SELF EXPLAINED. YOU'RE GONNA NEED ME.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED A COMFORTER WHERE I WILL LEAD
YOU BECAUSE I WILL LEAD YOU TO UNCOMFORTABLE PLACES.
THINK OF JESUS, LED BY THE SPIRIT, INTO THE WILDERNESS
TO BE TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL. THAT'S THE WAY THE TEXT
READS. TO BE TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL.
>> AND THE HOLY SPIRIT LED HIM OUT THERE PRETTY LIKE
IMMEDIATELY. >> YEAH, IMMEDIATELY. HE WAS
DRIVEN, YOU KNOW, TO THOSE PLACES, WATER, YOU KNOW, ALL
THOSE ALL THOSE THINGS. SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS, YOU
KNOW, AND THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US. AND I KNOW, LIKE,
SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE USING IS VERY STRONG AND
EMPHATIC. AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S TRUTH. BUT I NEVER WANT IT TO
ACT LIKE I'M BAT A THOUSAND AT THIS. I NEVER WANT TO ACT LIKE,
YO, I'M JUST THE EXPERT HERE. I JUST DO THIS PERFECTLY. Y'ALL
GET ON MY LEVEL. THAT IS NEVER HOW I WANT TO COME ACROSS. EVEN
THOUGH I WANT TO. I WANT TO, LIKE, SHARE THIS WITH THE
URGENCY. AND I THINK THAT THE EMPHASIS IT DESERVES. BUT WE'RE
ALL STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THIS THING OUT. BUT THE POINT IS
THAT EVEN THOUGH WE STUMBLE, WE ARE STUMBLING FORWARD. I'M
TRYING TO DO BETTER. THERE'S THERE ARE TIMES ALL THE TIME I
MISS THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, OR JUST STRAIGHT UP
IGNORE THE LEADING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT STILL TO THIS DAY. AND
THAT'S WHEN I HAVE TO JUST SAY, LORD, FORGIVE ME. LIKE LORD.
YOU KNOW, THE OTHER DAY I WAS WALKING AND I. I FELT THE LORD
TELLING ME TO STOP AND TALK TO SOMEBODY. AND I MOVED ON AND I
JUST DIDN'T DO IT. AND I SAID, LORD, IF THAT WAS YOU, GIVE ME
ANOTHER SHOT. I'M SORRY. GIVE ME ANOTHER SHOT. IF I SEE THAT
PERSON AGAIN, I WILL DO IT. AND I SAW HIM AGAIN AND I DID IT.
AND THERE ARE, THERE'S, THERE'S THERE'S TIMES WHERE IT'S LIKE,
LORD, I KNOW I MISSED IT. IF IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, CAN I HAVE
ANOTHER SHOT AT THAT SAME THING? BUT IF NOT, WOULD YOU HELP ME
TO HAVE THE FAITH TO SAY YES TO YOU THE NEXT TIME AN
OPPORTUNITY LIKE THAT ROLLS AROUND? I HEARD A STORY A LONG
TIME AGO OF THIS GUY WHO FELT LIKE THE LORD GAVE HIM THIS
IDEA TO SEND A MAILER, USE MONEY GIVEN TO HIS MINISTRY
PARTNERS, HAD GIVEN MONEY, AND TO SEND A MAILER GOSPEL MAILER
TO EVERY KNOWN ADDRESS ON EARTH, EVERY KNOWN ADDRESS ON EARTH.
GOD GAVE HIM THIS IDEA AND HE WAS LIKE, THANK YOU, LORD, THIS
IS BRILLIANT. I CAN'T BELIEVE LIKE YOU WOULD GIVE ME THIS.
AND HE FELT LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT TOLD HIM, YOU'RE THE
THIRD PERSON I'VE ASKED TO DO THIS. THE OTHER PEOPLE JUST
DIDN'T DO IT. SO NOW I'M HAVING TO TAP YOU ON THE
SHOULDER. I DON'T WANT THE LORD TO TAP SOMEBODY ELSE
ON THE SHOULDER, BECAUSE KEENAN CLARK WOULD NOT DO
WHAT HE ASKED ME TO DO. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE
RUNNING MY VICTORY LAP IN HEAVEN. I DON'T WANT
ANYBODY ELSE GETTING THE JEWEL THAT BELONGED TO MY
CROWN. THAT ULTIMATELY I WILL TAKE THAT CROWN AND
THROW IT AT THE FEET OF JESUS. BUT I DON'T WANT
ANYONE ELSE THROWING MORE JEWELS AT JESUS THAN ME.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THE ONES THAT I'M SUPPOSED
TO THROW AT HIM. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO THROW AT HIM.
AND WE DO THAT WHEN WE STAY. SUBMITTED, YIELDED GET OUT
OF OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE
EVERYONE'S IN THEIR OWN LITTLE SIMULATION. I'M IN
AIRPORTS ALMOST EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE, AND IF YOU JUST
SIT THERE, IF I GET OFF MY PHONE AND I SIT THERE AND I
WATCH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE EVERYBODY'S IN THEIR OWN
WORLD, LIKE WE'RE ALL HERE, BUT WE'RE NOT ALL HERE, AND NO
ONE'S EVEN, LIKE LOOKING AT ANYONE, YOU KNOW? NO ONE'S. NO
ONE'S RECOGNIZING IT. AND IF YOU DO, YOU'RE YOU'RE WEIRD. IF
YOU DO, LIKE, ACKNOWLEDGE SOMEONE'S EXISTENCE, IT'S LIKE,
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU? YEAH. WHY ARE YOU SPEAKING TO ME? WHY
ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST
ALL IN OUR OWN LITTLE SIMULATION, AND IT'S LIKE, YO,
IF YOU WILL COME OUT OF YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD, YOUR OWN
LITTLE SIMULATION, GOD CAN THEN USE YOU. AND I'M SPEAKING AS
I'M SPEAKING OUT OF SOMETHING GOD IS CHALLENGING ME WITH
SOMETHING I'VE MASTERED. THIS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS NOT
IS SOMETHING I AM TRYING TO YIELD MORE AND MORE TO EVERY
DAY. >> HIS LEADING.
>> YES. >> YEAH.
>> I MEAN, IN THE IN THE MUNDANE, YOU KNOW, THE MUNDANE.
MONDAY WHEN NO ONE'S EXPECTING KEENAN TO MINISTER, NO ONE'S
EXPECTING A WORD. IT WOULDN'T BE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE I'M
GOING TO GET A. WOW. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW YOU
EXECUTED THAT TEXT. I'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT
WAY. NEVER MADE THE CORRELATION AND THE
CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE VERSES. NO ONE'S GOING TO
GIVE A DARN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT THE LORD IS
SAYING NO. STEP OUT, BE BOLD. OFF CAMERA. YOU AND I
WERE TALKING ABOUT WE ENJOY WATCHING STREET PREACHERS. YEAH,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DO LIKE I'M NOT GONNA LIE. I DO FEEL
LIKE THIS. LIKE I FEEL LIKE THE LORD'S KIND OF POKING ME, LIKE,
YO, LIKE, MAYBE YOU NEED TO GO AND, LIKE, DO SOME OF THAT.
>> DO IT. AND NOW WE CAN HAVE A RECORDED THING THAT WE. YOU
HEARD IT HERE FIRST. >> I DO. COME ON. I DO FEEL
LIKE THE LORD HAS CHALLENGED ME BECAUSE LIKE, I REMEMBER LIKE
WHEN I WAS A STUDENT AT CHRIST FOR THE NATIONS, WE DID SEVERAL
OUTREACHES TO MARDI GRAS, WHERE WE WENT TO THIS WAS LIKE OVER
TEN YEARS AGO. WE WENT TO MARDI GRAS. WE JUST WOULD TAKE THE
STREETS AND JUST LIKE, STOP PEOPLE AND TALK TO THEM AND
LIKE, TRY TO SHARE THE LOVE OF CHRIST WITH THEM.
>> AND WHAT'S YOUR HESITATION? IS IT LOGISTICS?
IS IT PERSONAL? >> I THINK LATELY IT'S JUST
BEEN MORE LOGISTICS. IT'S LIKE, MAN, THE SCHEDULE IS
SO BUSY. AND THEN WHEN I'M LIKE, WHEN I'M AT HOME, I
WANT TO BE DAD AND HUSBAND AND LIKE HAVE FAMILY TIME
AND TRY TO HAVE A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE ALL
THOSE THINGS AND LIKE SOME DISCIPLINES THAT LIKE, IT'S
HARD TO KEEP ON THE ROAD, THAT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN
IT'S TIME TO GO ON THE ROAD AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND
GO AND GO PREACH, WHICH I DO FEEL LIKE I'M FULFILLING
THE ASSIGNMENT THAT'S ON MY LIFE IN THE SEASON. BUT I
DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S THIS PLACE THAT'S LIKE, MAN, I
LOVE THAT ONE ON ONE MINISTRY. AND I GET SO MUCH
OF IT. LIKE, I, I'M A BIG ALTAR CALL GUY. LIKE, YOU
KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PLACES I'VE GONE AND I'VE GIVEN
ALTAR CALLS THAT I'M LIKE, YO, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER
HAD AN ALTAR CALL HERE, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, IT'S NOT THEIR
M.O. IT'S NOT THEIR M.O. >> YEAH. AND THEN THEY DON'T
KNOW WHAT TO DO. >> YEAH. AND THEY'RE LIKE, YO.
AND I'M LIKE, HEY, CAN WE GET SOME ALTAR MINISTRY? LIKE SOME
ALTAR WORKERS? THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT ARE THOSE? YOU KNOW WHAT I
MEAN? LIKE, NO ONE'S READY FOR THAT THE OTHER DAY. YOU WANT TO
TALK ABOUT CAUSING TROUBLE? THE OTHER DAY, RUSSELL JOHNSON AND
I WERE AT THIS CONFERENCE PREACHING TOGETHER IN MISSOURI,
WENT TO A NAZARENE CHURCH. BOTH OF US GOT INVITED TO NAZARENE
CHURCH. REVIVAL HIT THAT NAZARENE CHURCH.
>> THAT'S AWESOME. >> PEOPLE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW
HOW EVERYBODY FEELS ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
PEOPLE WERE FALLING OUT UNDER THE POWER OF GOD. THE CURRENT
PASTOR OF THAT NAZARENE CHURCH AND THE FORMER PASTOR OF THAT
NAZARENE CHURCH, BOTH FELL OUT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME. YEAH.
UNDER THE POWER OF GOD, WHICH, I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD WE
COULD SWAP SCRIPTURE ON WHAT PEOPLE THINK THAT THAT'S NOT,
YOU KNOW, A GODLY RESPONSE. I HAVE FELT THAT KIND OF GLORY
HIT MY BODY. NOW, I DON'T GIVE NO COURTESY DROPS. I DON'T I'M
NOT GOING DOWN TO, LIKE, MAKE SOME GUY FEEL LIKE A MAN OF GOD.
>> NO. >> BUT IF.
>> THE LORD ONCE, I'VE DONE IT ONCE.
>> YEAH. IF THE LORD HITS ME. JOHN THE REVELATOR SAYS, WHEN
HE SAW CHRIST, HE FELL LIKE A DEAD MAN. THAT'S THE LARRY WHAT
REVELATION SAYS. AND SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, BUT
LITERALLY THAT DOESN'T THAT STUFF DOES NOT HAPPEN IN A
NAZARENE CHURCH. BUT GOD DECIDED TO VISIT THAT
NAZARENE CHURCH. AND SO I'M JUST THINKING, MAN, LIKE,
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET OUT OF OUR JUST OUR
REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMS? AND WE'RE LIKE,
LORD, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO MOVE, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE
MY SERMON LAST MINUTE, YOU WANT ME TO GO HIT THE
STREETS. YOU WANT ME NOT TO. JUST, LIKE, TRY TO GET TO
MY GATE ON TIME, BUT, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MINISTER TO
THIS. THESE GUYS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHAT IF WE WERE
AVAILABLE? >> THAT'S THE THING, THOUGH,
WE NEED TO BE AVAILABLE. AND I THINK SOMETIMES I
HONESTLY FELT LIKE BECAUSE EVEN THE OTHER DAY THIS LIKE AND A
LOT OF TIMES GOD WILL HAVE ME DO THINGS AND IT HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH LIKE LIKE HE HAS ME TALK TO PEOPLE AND PRAY FOR
PEOPLE. BUT A LOT OF TIMES HE'LL TELL ME LIKE, DON'T GO
HERE, YOU NEED TO STAY HERE AND DO THIS. OR LIKE THE OTHER DAY,
HE'S LIKE, YOU NEED TO GO PUT THAT BACK. I KNOW IT SOUNDS
SILLY, AND SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL LIKE GOD IS MAKING SURE
THAT I'M NOT LIKE IN THIS MINDSET, BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY
VERY EASY TO BE LIKE, OKAY, I'M MY OWN, I'M MY OWN MASTER, AND
I'M GOING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS AND THIS. I THINK IT'S
EASY. I THINK AS A MOM TO, LIKE, I GOT TO GET THIS DONE AND THIS
DONE AND WE GET SO CAUGHT UP IN LIKE THE BUSYNESS AND THE DAY
TO DAY. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AT ANY MOMENT,
THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN DISRUPT MY PLANS AND THAT I'M GOING TO BE
OBEDIENT AND DO WHAT HE SAYS AND THAT I STAY FLEXIBLE.
>> YEAH. >> THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT'S
ACTUALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGALISM. AND YOU HAVE LIKE
TOTAL CHAOS OVER HERE. AND THEN LEGALISM IS COMPLETE RIGIDNESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DEAL WITH RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IS LIKE, THIS
IS THE WAY WE ALWAYS DO THINGS. BUT IT'S LIKE, RIGHT, YOU HAVE
TO BE LIKE MALLEABLE IN YOUR HANDS TO LIKE, AS HE SAYS, HE'S
THE POTTER AND WE'RE THE CLAY. WE HAVE TO LET HIM FORM US INTO
WHAT HE WANTS FOR US. >> THOUSAND PERCENT. I MEAN,
THAT'S WHERE OUR LIFE IS LIVED, I MEAN, AND THAT THAT'S THE
TENSION. I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY, YOU
KNOW, THERE'S THAT ACTS TEN. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WHERE THE
HOLY SPIRIT IS POURED OUT ON THE GENTILES. YEAH. WHERE
CORNELIUS, THE FIRST GENTILE CONVERT. YEAH. WHERE, YOU KNOW,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE IN ANY WAY JEWISH. I'M NOT. OKAY. BUT
YOU KNOW, WHERE MY PEOPLE, LIKE THOSE OF US WHO WERE NOT, HAD
NO BUSINESS STEPPING INTO SALVATION? WELL, MAN, I'M
GETTING TEARY EYED. WE'RE INVITED IN.
>> YEAH. >> BY THE GRACE OF GOD. BUT
THEN PETER SEES THIS SHEET BEING LET DOWN WITH ALL THESE
UNCLEAN ANIMALS IN IT, AND THE SPIRIT SAYS TO HIM, RISE, PETER,
KILL AND EAT. AND I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY. I'M
LIKE, IF THE LORD SHOWED ME A BUNCH OF STUFF I HAD ABSTAINED
FROM MY WHOLE LIFE AND SAID, YO, KEENAN, PARTAKE. I'D BE LIKE, I
DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT. YEAH, EVEN THOUGH THE LORD JUST
TOLD ME TO, I KNOW IT'D BE LIKE, BUT I JUST DON'T DO THAT, YOU
KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND LIKE, THAT'S THE TENSION. LIKE,
THAT'S THE TENSION PETER WOULD HAVE FELT IN THAT MOMENT. HE'S
LIKE ALL THESE UNCLEAN ANIMALS. LIKE, MY WHOLE LIFE, I'VE NEVER
PARTAKEN OF ANY OF THAT STUFF. AND THEN THE LORD SAYS WHAT
I'VE CALLED CLEAN, DON'T CALL UNCLEAN. AND IT'S IT'S ONE OF
THOSE THINGS THAT, LIKE, MAN, WHEN THE LORD DECIDES TO SPEAK.
AND OF COURSE, I'M TALKING ANYTHING HE SAYS TO YOU, IT
BETTER BE BACKED UP BY SCRIPTURE. YOU KNOW HE WILL
NEVER VIOLATE HIS WORD. HE WILL NEVER VIOLATE THOSE 66 BOOKS.
YES, THAT'S I WANT TO MAKE THAT CERTAIN. I WANT TO MAKE THAT
CLEAR. ANYTHING YOU HEAR FROM THE LORD, IT SHOULD BE ECHOED
IN SCRIPTURE, AND ALSO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOUR
SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP, THE AUTHORITY IN YOUR LIFE, WOULD
SAY YES AND AMEN. THIS IS A GOOD THING, BUT CAN YOU STAY
MORE COMMITTED TO HIS TENDER VOICE THAN YOU ARE TRADITION?
AND THAT'S A VERY TOUGH THAT'S A TENSION RIGHT THERE. IT'S A
TENSION. WE WANT TO JUST GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IT'S LIKE NO
TRADITION OR HANG ON TO THE TRADITION. IT'S LIKE THERE'S
SOME PLACES WHERE OUR TRADITIONS ARE SERVING GOD'S
PURPOSES. BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY DON'T ANYMORE? CAN WE
STILL STAY SUBMITTED TO THE LORD OR WE MAKE WILL WE MAKE A
SACRED COW OUT OF THOSE PLACES? >> EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S
SUCH A GOOD WORD. AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN BE CRITICAL OF LIKE,
THEY'RE DOING IT THIS WAY OVER HERE AT THIS CHURCH. THEY'RE
DOING THIS WAY. AND I'M LIKE, IF IT'S BIBLICAL AND IT'S
WITHIN THE WORD AND IT'S MINISTERING TO PEOPLE. YEAH.
WHO ARE WE TO LOOK DOWN ON SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE IT'S
DIFFERENT FROM OUR CHURCH? YEAH. IF IT'S BIBLICAL, I'M LIKE, AND
GOD IS MOVING. YEAH. THAT'S IMPORTANT. WHAT I LOVE TOO,
BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
PEOPLE THINK ABOUT, LIKE BEING SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT AND ALL
THIS KIND OF STUFF. BUT HONESTLY, WHEN YOU READ THE
BIBLE, EVEN STUFF IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND LIKE, OF COURSE,
LIKE THE CHURCH AND THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BOOK OF ACTS, EVEN
THE CHURCH IN EPHESIANS, AND YOU KNOW, THESE IN THE NEW
TESTAMENT AND THE EPISTLES, IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU REALLY JUST
READ SCRIPTURE AND YOU WITNESS EVERYTHING THAT GOD WAS DOING.
IT'S LIKE, WHY WOULD WE THINK THAT THIS IS EVEN WEIRD? IT'S
JUST WEIRD TO PEOPLE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T GROW UP WITH
IT. ONCE YOU KIND OF GO BACK INTO LIKE TRADITION. YEAH, BUT
JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT
REAL. AND GOD'S NOT DOING IT. >> AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
REAL QUICK, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THESE
THINGS HAVE BEEN ABUSED. THERE ARE PLACES. PEOPLE GET YEAH,
THERE ARE PLACES AND I MEAN LEGITIMATELY ABUSED. YEAH. LIKE
SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN EXPLOITED TO TRY TO MAKE A
MINISTRY AND GET MORE MINISTRY PARTNERS AND LINE MY POCKETS.
BUT THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CORRUPT MISUSE DOES NOT NEGATE
THE PROPER USE OF THESE GIFTS, OF THESE GENUINE
EXPERIENCES. AND JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS BEEN
FAKED DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. YEAH. AND SO, YEAH, I THINK
WE GOT TO CALL OUT THE FAKE STUFF AND SAY, HEY, WE
DON'T WANT ANY PART OF THAT FOOLISHNESS. YEAH, BUT THE
THE GENUINE MOVE OF GOD, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO ON
THE SIDE OR EVEN RUN THE RISK OF BLASPHEMING THE HOLY SPIRIT
WHERE I SAY SOMETHING THAT IS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT THE
HOLY SPIRIT. AND ALL THIS STUFF I DON'T EVEN WANT I DON'T WANT
TO GRIEVE THE SPIRIT IN THAT MANNER. SO I WOULD JUST SAY,
MAN LIKE, UNLESS SOMETHING IS LIKE, YO, THIS IS EXTREMELY
UNBIBLICAL, THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. IT'S LIKE, MAN, BEFORE
PHILIP GOT TELEPORTED. >> I KNOW.
>> NO ONE WOULD SAY GOD WOULD TELEPORT SOMEONE.
>> YEAH. >> THEN GOD'S LIKE, YO, MY BOY
PHILIP, I'M TELEPORTING YOU. YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
LIKE, AND IT'S LIKE, OH DANG, I GUESS GOD COULD TELEPORT
SOMEBODY I KNOW. AND IT'S LIKE THE ONE TIME IN SCRIPTURE, LIKE,
WHERE WE COULD SEE THAT, LIKE, HAPPEN, BUT IT'S LIKE GOD JUST
KIND OF LIKE ALL THESE YEARS, YOU WOULD SAY GOD WOULD NEVER
DO THAT. GOD WOULD NEVER DO THAT. GOD WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
WE'VE NEVER SEEN GOD DO IT. GOD'S LIKE, BAM, I'M DOING IT.
YEAH. AND IT'S LIKE, WHO ARE WE TO PUT GOD IN A BOX? GOD LIVED
IN A BOX UNDER THE OLD COVENANT, AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO BACK
IN. AND WE ARE SO DESPERATE TO TRY TO GET HIM TO GO BACK IN
THAT BOX. AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE HELP HIM COME OUT OF THAT
BOX, AND WE ALLOW HIM TO NOT BE IN A BOX, IS WHEN WE SUBMIT TO
THINGS LIKE PRAYER, FASTING. AND I WILL SAY THIS ON THE ON
ON THE SIDE OF FASTING. FASTING WITHOUT PRAYER IS STARVATION.
GOD IS NOT CALLING YOU TO STARVATION. GOD IS NOT CALLING
YOU TO JUST BEING MALNOURISHED. THE PLACE IT IS ONLY BECOMES.
IT ONLY BECOMES SPIRITUALLY POWERFUL WHEN THE PRAYER
COMPONENT KICKS IN. NOW, PRAYER SOMETIMES CALLS FOR FASTING.
FASTING ALWAYS CALLS FOR PRAYER. >> THERE SHOULD.
>> ALWAYS BE PRAYER ACCOMPANIED WITH NOT JUST, OH, I DIDN'T EAT
TODAY, BUT DID YOU? DID YOU TAKE THE TIME YOU WOULD HAVE
EATEN TO COMMUNE WITH THE LORD TO PRESS INTO THE THINGS OF GOD?
WELL, NO. OKAY, WELL THEN YOU'RE JUST STARVING YOURSELF,
YOU KNOW. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO. IT'S ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE
THAT DELINEATION. >> NO, YOU NEED TO. I'M
ACTUALLY LIKE, AS YOU'RE SAYING THIS, I'M LIKE, OKAY, JUST IF
SOMEONE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT FASTING, WE'RE THINKING LIKE
SOMEONE WHO'S JUST NEVER DONE IT BEFORE, OR MAYBE A BABY
CHRISTIAN LIKE FASTING GUIDE FOR DUMMIES. OKAY.
>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT
PERSON? LIKE, IF YOU'RE SITTING ACROSS FROM THEM, YOU'RE LIKE,
OKAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. HERE ARE MY POINTERS. THIS
IS HOW YOU NEED TO. >> HANDLE IT. YEAH. AND A LOT
OF THIS I TALK ABOUT IN THE BOOK, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE
CHAPTER IN THE BOOK CALLED MANIPULATING GOD. AND BECAUSE I
THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IF AND THEY DO IT MAYBE EVEN
ACCIDENTALLY, BUT THEY CAN TREAT FASTING AS THOUGH IT'S
THIS WAY TO GET GOD ON MY SIDE, LIKE, I'M GONNA I'M GONNA FAST
UNTIL GOD DOES WHAT I WANT. AND FASTING IS NOT THE
SPIRITUAL EQUIVALENT OF GOING ON HUNGER STRIKE.
IT'S NOT LIKE I'M JUST GONNA. OR, LIKE, HOLDING
YOUR BREATH, YOU KNOW? LIKE, I DON'T THINK KIDS DO THIS
ANYMORE, BUT, LIKE, OH. >> MY BREATH. AND TELL THEM
DADDY DOES WHAT I WANT. HE'S LIKE, OKAY, OKAY.
BREATHE, BREATHE. >> YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE,
IT'S NOT THAT. LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE, WELL, I'M JUST
NOT GONNA EAT UNTIL GOD DOES IT MY WAY. NO, FASTING
DOESN'T CHANGE GOD'S PLAN. IT REVEALS GOD'S PLAN. IT
DOESN'T CHANGE GOD'S HEART. IT GETS US IN ALIGNMENT
WITH GOD'S HEART. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN
HAPPEN IN MY OWN LIFE. LIKE, THE MORE I HAVE FASTED, I
DON'T. I DON'T CRAVE THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD I'M
NOT CRAVING. IN FACT, IT CRUCIFIES THE CRAVINGS I
USED TO HAVE AND IT GIVES ME A CRAVING FOR GOD, FOR THE
THINGS THAT ARE ARE ABOVE, FOR ETERNAL THINGS. IT GETS ME OKAY
WITH THE HERE AND NOW, BUT NOT COMFORTABLE IN THE HERE AND NOW
TO WHERE I JUST WANT TO CAMP OUT HERE AND BE HERE FOREVER.
IT'S IT KEEPS ME IN STEP WITH THE SPIRIT. I THINK THAT'S LIKE
THE THEME OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST TRYING TO STAY IN
STEP WITH THE SPIRIT. I MEAN, PAUL SAYS THIS, I BELIEVE IT'S
IN THE BOOK OF GALATIANS. HE SAYS, WALK IN THE SPIRIT, AND
YOU WILL NOT GRATIFY THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH. HE
DOESN'T SAY, WALK IN THE SPIRIT AND DON'T GRATIFY THE DESIRES
OF THE FLESH. HE SAYS, IF YOU'LL JUST FOCUS ON WALKING IN
THE SPIRIT, YOU NATURALLY WILL NOT FULFILL THE DESIRES OF THE
FLESH, BECAUSE THE SPIRIT AND THE FLESH ARE GOING IN OPPOSITE
DIRECTIONS. SO IF YOU'RE WALKING IN THE SPIRIT, YOU ARE
NATURALLY WALKING AWAY FROM THE FLESH.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE'S SAYING IN ROMANS EIGHT. AND
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS A LOT OF PEOPLE, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A
PET PEEVE OF MINE. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL QUOTE ROMANS SEVEN,
AND THEN THEY THINK IT ENDS RIGHT THERE. AND THEY'RE LIKE,
BECAUSE PAUL'S LIKE, I DO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO. AND HE'S
BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE STRUGGLE OF LIKE, YOUR FLESH
AND SIN AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. BUT PAUL GIVES THE
ANTIDOTE IN ROMANS EIGHT AND I'M LIKE, JUST GO ONE CHAPTER
OVER BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE USE IT AS LIKE, OH, SEE, THIS IS AND
I'M LIKE, NO, THAT IS A REALITY FOR US UNTIL, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS
THERE'S NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.
AND PAUL GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, SO NO LONGER IT'S LIKE NOW LIKE
BEFALL THE SPIRIT, THOSE WHO ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD
ARE SONS OF GOD. AND HE GOES THROUGH ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO THE ANTIDOTE IS THERE. YES. AND SO I'M ALWAYS LIKE,
CONNECT THE TWO CHAPTERS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT. SO IF
SOMEONE OKAY, SO WHEN IS A GOOD TIME TO FAST. YEAH. HOW DOES
SOMEONE KNOW WHAT KIND OF FAST TO DO. AND ALSO I THINK YOU
KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO BE LED BY
THE SPIRIT. BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S A TOOL THAT YOU CAN
IMPLEMENT. >> YEAH. BIG TIME. YEAH. YOU
OF THOSE THINGS LIKE SO MANY CAN DECIDE TO DO IT. IT'S ONE
PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, I JUST NEED GOD TO TELL ME WHEN I'M
LIKE HE DID IN THE BIBLE, LIKE HE DID TELL YOU. JESUS SAYS IN
MATTHEW SIX, AND WHEN YOU FAST, NOT IF IT'S WHEN. SO THIS WOULD
MEAN JESUS EXPECTS EVERY FOLLOWER OF HIS TO FAST.
THERE'S NO ONE EXEMPT FROM THIS, AND THAT'S THE MISNOMER THAT WE
HAVE. WE THINK THAT FASTING IS JUST GOING TO BE FOR THE ELITE.
IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE SUPER CHRISTIAN. IT'S GOING TO BE FOR
THE GUY WHO'S THE APOSTLE. >> THE PROPHET, THE PASTOR,
TEACHER, EVANGELIST. >> LIKE ALL THOSE GUYS,
THEY NEED TO FAST. AND I'M GONNA I'M GONNA EAT. THE
ONLY FAST FOOD I KNOW IS THROUGH A DRIVE.
>> THROUGH. >> YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
LIKE, THAT'S THAT'S, LIKE, KIND OF THEIR THING. AND SO,
NO, JESUS EXPECTS ALL OF HIS FOLLOWERS BECAUSE HE
SAYS, AND WHEN YOU DO THIS, LIKE, MEANING YOU WILL IF
YOU STAY IN STEP. SO YOU CAN JUST DECIDE TO DO IT NOW.
SOME OF THE GREAT TIMES TO GO ON A FAST ARE AROUND BIG
DECISIONS, BIG DECISIONS, GREAT TIME. ONE OF THE KEY THINGS I
THINK, NUMBER ONE, IT HELPS CLEAR YOUR YOUR OWN MOTIVES AND
YOUR OWN REASONING FOR WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE A CERTAIN
CHOICE OR THAT CHOICE, BUT IT CLEARS THE AIR. IT DISSIPATES
THAT LIKE FLESHLY FOG OVER YOUR OWN HEART AND MIND. BUT THEN
ALSO LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS. IT BUYS YOU TIME TO HEAR GOD
ACCURATELY. YEAH, IF YOU SAY, I'M GOING TO FAST AND PRAY FOR
THE NEXT THREE DAYS ABOUT THIS DECISION, THAT MEANS I DON'T
HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY. I ALSO DON'T HAVE TO
MAKE THAT DECISION TOMORROW. I ALSO DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO
MAKE THAT DECISION UNTIL THAT THIRD DAY IS OVER. IT NOW BUYS
ME TIME. TO WHERE I'M NOT IN A RUSH. YEAH, I'M NOT BEING LED
BY HUSTLE CULTURE. I'M NOT BEING LED BY LIKE, WHAT'S THE
MOST LUCRATIVE THING? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S GOING TO LOOK BEST,
WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN IN ON BRAND. WITH MY LAST NAME, I'M
ABLE TO SAY NO, I WANT TO HEAR THE LORD. AND THEN IF YOU WILL
DO THAT, IF YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GIVES ME PEACE
ABOUT SOME OF THE DECISIONS I'VE MADE IN MY LIFE IS, I KNOW
I SOUGHT GODLY COUNSEL. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MY WIFE. IT'S
BACKED BY THE SCRIPTURES, LIKE THE SCRIPTURES WOULD NEVER
CONDEMN THIS DECISION. YEAH, AND I KNOW I PRAYED AND FASTED.
AND IF AT THE END OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE ALL THE
AUTHORITATIVE VOICES IN YOUR LIFE, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT
YOUR ACOLYTES, I'M TALKING ABOUT AUTHORITATIVE VOICES, NOT
PEOPLE YOU'VE ALREADY WON TO YOUR SIDE WHO ARE JUST LIKE
YOUR MINIONS. YEAH, I'M TALKING YOU'RE A LITTLE YES MAN AND
ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE AUTHORITY. THEY KNOW THE SCRIPTURES BETTER
THAN YOU. THEY'VE WALKED WITH GOD LONGER THAN YOU. THEY HAVE
NO SKIN IN THIS GAME. LIKE THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING
OUT OF YOU MAKING THIS DECISION. THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE ACCURATELY.
NO, THIS IS STUPID. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THIS OR NO,
THIS IS GODLY. YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO THIS. THIS IS A
GREAT DECISION. THEY'RE ABLE TO SPEAK INTO THAT.
SCRIPTURE SAYS THERE'S SAFETY IN A MULTITUDE OF
COUNSELORS. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S HILARIOUS TO ME
THAT PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, NO. YEAH. LIKE I HAVE A
MULTITUDE OF COUNSELORS. IT'S LIKE, YOU HAVE ONE
FRIEND AND YOU'RE CALLING THAT IF SOMEBODY INVITED ME
TO PREACH, THEY'RE LIKE, KENAN, COME PREACH. YEAH,
WE HAVE A MULTITUDE. AND I GET THERE AND THERE ARE TWO
PEOPLE IN THE CROWD. I'LL BE LIKE, YOU LIE!
>> YEAH. >> THIS IS NOT A MULTITUDE.
BUT WE THINK, OH, A MULTITUDE IS LIKE JUST LIKE
1 OR 2. NO, THIS IS LIKE A WIDE ARRAY OF MEN AND WOMEN
OF GOD WHO ARE. I'M INVITING IN ON THIS
DECISION. AND THEN IF I'VE PRAYED AND I FASTED, I KNOW,
GOD, I GAVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SAY NO OR
GOD. I GAVE YOU EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES. AND
THIS STILL IS WHERE MY SPIRIT IS LEANING. THIS FEELS I HAVE
THE MOST PEACE ABOUT THIS. THIS FEELS RIGHT. WE'RE IN AGREEMENT,
YOU KNOW, ACTS. I WANT TO SAY IT'S 16 BEFORE THE
QUINTESSENTIAL MOMENT WHERE PAUL AND SILAS ARE IN PRISON.
THERE'S A MOMENT WHERE IT COULD BE 15. IT'S LUKE WHO WRITES THE
BOOK OF ACTS. HE SAID IT SEEMED GOOD TO US AND TO THE HOLY
SPIRIT. >> YES, I REMEMBER THAT VERSE.
>> YEAH. LIKE IT JUST IT SEEMED GOOD, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT'S LIKE
IT WASN'T A THUS SAITH THE LORD. IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS
SPELLED OUT IN THE CLOUDS. IT WASN'T LIKE I GOT LIKE
SOME, LIKE, CRAZY REVELATION. IT JUST. MAN,
THIS SEEMS RIGHT. YEP. TO US AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.
SO WE DID IT. THERE ARE GOING TO BE THOSE MOMENTS
WHERE, MAN, THIS JUST THIS REALLY SEEMS RIGHT. AND ONE
OF THE WAYS YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IS WHEN YOU KNOW,
NO, I GAVE GOD THREE DAYS. I SUBMITTED TO A PRAYER AND
FASTING. I'VE SUBMITTED THIS TO WISE COUNSEL. WE'RE
GOING TO WALK IN THIS DIRECTION.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT'S SO COOL LIKE THAT? I'M GLEANING
FROM THIS, LIKE, CONVERSATION. AND I'M JUST SO
THANKFUL THAT YOU'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THAT.
YOU WROTE THIS BOOK. IS THAT WHAT HIT ME? IS THAT IN THE
PAST, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD ONLY FAST IF I FELT THE
HOLY SPIRIT LEADING ME OR IF MY CHURCH WAS DOING IT RIGHT,
CORPORATELY. RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, WHAT HIT ME IN
THIS INTERVIEW IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED GOD ALWAYS SAYING GO
FAST, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, I KNOW TO WORK OUT. I DON'T WORK OUT
ALMOST EVERY DAY BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT'S LIKE, GO WORK OUT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE HE SHOWS THAT SOMETHING IS GOOD AND THEN
YOU DO IT CONSISTENTLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S GOOD AND YOU KNOW
IT HAS BENEFITS. AND I'M LIKE, WHY? WHY DO WE HAVE TO LIKE
OVERSPIRITUALIZE SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINES THAT IT ALWAYS HAS
TO BE LIKE THIS CLEAR THING. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THESE ARE
JUST SHOULD BE HABITS OF OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE. JUST LIKE I
DON'T NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TELL ME TO READ MY BIBLE EVERY
DAY. I JUST READ MY BIBLE. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT
FASTING IS THE ONE THAT KIND OF GETS LEFT OUT BIG TIME. LIKE,
OH WELL, I'LL READ MY BIBLE, I'LL PRAY, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO TO
CHURCH. BUT FASTING IS SOMETHING IN THE WEST, LIKE WE
REALLY HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH, AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT. AND
THAT'S WHY I JUST LOVE THAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE, IF THIS IS
A GOOD THING AND IT'S A SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE, WE SHOULD
JUST BE DOING IT. WE DON'T NEED TO BE WAITING FOR LIKE, A SIGN
IN THE SKY. YEAH. AND HE'LL GIVE YOU THE GRACE TO DO IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T DO IT IN YOUR OWN STRENGTH, BUT IT'S,
YOU KNOW, THE CONVICTION THAT I'M SEEING IS LIKE, THIS SHOULD
JUST BE A REGULAR PART OF MY LIFE.
>> YEAH, YEAH. LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS. AND THIS WAS SO
COOL WHEN I SAW IT. BUT THINK ABOUT THE PRODIGAL
SON. THE PRODIGAL SON DOES WHAT HE DOES. HE'S OFF IN A
FAR COUNTRY, WASTES HIS MONEY. FAMINE HITS THE LAND.
TIMES ARE BAD. CAN'T GET A JOB. THE ONLY JOB HE CAN
GET IS SLOPPING PIGS. WHICH THIS IS A JEWISH BOY. IN
THE STORY, PIGS ARE UNCLEAN ANIMALS. SO THIS IS BY HIM
ACCEPTING THIS JOB, HE'S NOW NOT ONLY TURNED HIS
BACK ON HIS EARTHLY FATHER, HE HAS TURNED HIS BACK ON
HIS HEAVENLY FATHER. BY ACCEPTING THIS JOB. HE'S
SAYING, YO, I DON'T GIVE A DARN ABOUT ANY OF THIS
STUFF. I'M LOOKING OUT FOR ME, MINE, AND THAT'S IT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE FINE PRINT OF THE
CONTRACT WAS THAT HE COULD NOT EAT FROM THE SLOP OF
THE PIGS, WHICH NO DOUBT, WHEN HE SIGNED THAT
CONTRACT, HE THOUGHT, THERE'S NO WAY I'D EVER
WANT TO EAT PIG SLOP. BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HE
FINDS HIMSELF BEING ENTICED BY PIG SLOP BECAUSE HE'S SO
HUNGRY. HE, LIKE, LITERALLY HE IS CRAVING THINGS HE
NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED HE WOULD CRAVE. HOW MANY
PEOPLE ARE THAT? >> YEAH.
>> CRAVING THINGS. AT ONE POINT YOU WOULD HAVE SWORN
THERE'S NO WAY. THERE'S NO WAY. YOU KNOW WHY? IT'S
BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IMPURITY AND PERVERSION
KNOWS NO BOUNDS. ONE LEVEL OF PERVERSION BEGETS THE
NEXT LEVEL OF PERVERSION. YEAH, NO ONE STARTS OFF DOING
THESE LIKE I'M TALKING HEINOUS, RIDICULOUS THINGS THAT WE WOULD
BE LIKE PAUL SAYS IN FIRST CORINTHIANS FIVE, THINGS NOT
EVEN PAGANS ARE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M
SAYING? THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT THIS ONE DUDE WHO'S
SHACKING UP WITH HIS DAD'S WIFE IN THE CORINTHIAN CHURCH. ALL
OF A SUDDEN, THIS PRODIGAL SON IN LUKE 15 IS BEING ENTICED BY
SOMETHING HE WOULD HAVE SWORN HE'D NEVER EAT. BUT ALL OF A
SUDDEN HE GOES TO EAT IT. AND WHEN HE CHOOSES THE BIBLE SAYS
HE DIDN'T EAT FROM IT. HE ABSTAINED FROM THE FOOD THAT HE
WANTED TO EAT, BUT HE DIDN'T. THE BIBLE SAID HE CAME TO HIS
SENSES, I THINK. I DO BELIEVE THAT IS A NUGGET ON WHEN WE
FASTING. WHEN WE ABSTAIN, IT LEADS TO A COMING OF OUR SENSES.
AND HE CAME BACK HOME. THIS BOY WHO COULD NOT MAKE A RIGHT
DECISION TO SAVE HIS LIFE, THIS BOY WHO SPAT IN HIS FATHER'S
FACE TO SAY, GIVE ME MY INHERITANCE BEFORE MY FATHER IS
DEAD IS ME SAYING, DAD, I WISH YOU WERE DEAD. AND
UNFORTUNATELY YOUR HEALTHY AND I DON'T HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO
WAIT UNTIL YOU DIE. >> YEAH.
>> SO GIVE ME WHAT I'VE GOT COMING. AND THE DAD GAVE IT TO
HIM. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, I MEAN, THE LITTLE LITERALLY,
THE DUDE CAN'T MAKE A GOOD DECISION TO SAVE HIS LIFE. AND
THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SAYING, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO
EAT THIS THING. I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN ASKED NOT TO EAT. HE COMES
TO HIS SENSES. I DO BELIEVE THAT GOD HID THAT NUGGET IN
THERE ABOUT PRAYER AND FASTING. >> YEAH. AND I THINK ALSO IT
KIND OF COMES BACK TO THE WISDOM IN SAYING.
>> YES, SAYING NO. YEAH, WE GOT IT. LIKE I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT
BUILDING THAT NO MUSCLE LIKE YOU. THERE ARE NECESSARY NO'S
IN YOUR LIFE. AND WHATEVER YOU SAY NO TO, YOU'RE
MAKING IT TO WHERE YOU CAN'T SAY YES TO SOME OTHER
THINGS. AND THERE ARE THINGS GOD DESIRES YOU TO
BE ABLE TO SAY YES TO. BUT BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SAY NO
TO THAT NOW, YOU CAN'T SAY YES TO THIS. AND AGAIN, I'M
NOT TRYING TO ACT LIKE GOD IS NOT GRACIOUS. HE IS
GRACIOUS. BUT THERE ARE SOME ASSIGNMENTS. CAN I
JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU? THERE ARE SOME ASSIGNMENTS
THAT COME WITH A SHELF LIFE. NOW, THE GIFT AND THE CALL
OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE AND THEY ARE
IRREVOCABLE. THAT'S WHAT ROMANS 1129 SAYS. THEY'RE
IRREVOCABLE. BUT THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE ASSIGNMENTS
THAT HAVE A SHELF LIFE. AND IF.
>> YOU COMPLETELY AGREE. >> IF YOU DO NOT SAY YES,
YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT OLD SAYING THE OPPORTUNITY OF A
LIFETIME MUST BE SEIZED WITHIN THE LIFETIME OF THE
OPPORTUNITY. AND THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE IT'S LIKE
GOD IS GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY OF A LIFETIME,
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO SAY YES WITHIN THE LIFETIME OF THAT
OPPORTUNITY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT WILL EXPIRE. AND GOD MAY
BE FAITHFUL TO BRING SOMETHING ELSE AROUND, BUT
IT COULD BE THAT LIKE, HEY, THE HAND OF GOD IS STILL ON
YOU, STILL CALLED, BUT THAT DOOR IS NOW FOREVER CLOSED.
YEAH, BECAUSE OF MY IGNORANCE AND MY INABILITY
TO SEE. AND ULTIMATELY IN THOSE PLACES, IT'S MORE OF
AN OUTRIGHT REJECTION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RARELY IS
IT LIKE, YO, I JUST REALLY DIDN'T KNOW GOD WILL GIVE
OPPORTUNITIES YOU MISSED BECAUSE YOU WERE IGNORANT.
GOD WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY IN YOUR
WISDOM TO HAVE THAT AGAIN. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT
MOMENTS WHEN YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE DOING AND YOU OUTRIGHT
SAID NO. SOMETIMES THOSE THOSE EXPIRE.
>> YEAH. AND ALSO I THINK IT'S JUST MAINTAINING LIKE BEING
SENSITIVE TO HIS LEADING. AND I THINK YOU I THINK IT'S EASY TO
GET INTO A PLACE WHERE YOUR HEART GETS HARDENED BECAUSE YOU
START SAYING NO AND YOU START RESISTING HIS LEADING, AND WE
HAVE TO MOVE BACK IN TO. THAT'S WHY REPENTANCE IS SO POOR.
THAT'S WHY FASTING IS SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT'S
BRINGING THAT BACK INTO SUBMISSION TO HIM AND BEING
SOFT, MALLEABLE, WILLING TO SUBMIT TO HIM. IT'S JUST SO
IMPORTANT. FIGHT. CAN I HAVE MY PHONE? WE JUST KEEP THIS IN THE
INTERVIEW. THEN YOU CAN LIKE, APPEAR IN THE PODCAST.
>> COME ON. >> I WANT TO, AS YOU WERE
SAYING THAT ABOUT THE SUN AND I WAS SAYING, NO, I'M THINKING
I'M LIKE, IS THIS THE STORY OF CAIN? WHERE ARE YOU TALKING
ABOUT WITH CAIN AND ABEL? >> IT'D BE LIKE GENESIS, LIKE
THE END OF GENESIS, GENESIS FOUR.
>> TO RULE OVER YOU. HE GOES AND WARNS CAIN, YEAH, YEAH. SO
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, SAY NO
TO SIN. AND THEN WHAT CAME TO ME AS YOU WERE TALKING IS THAT
VERSE WHERE BASICALLY THAT CAIN GETS JEALOUS OF ABEL. YEAH. SO
THE LORD GOES TO CAIN. HE GOES, WHY ARE YOU ANGRY? AND WHY HAS
YOUR FACE FALLEN? IF YOU DO WELL, WILL YOU NOT BE ACCEPTED?
AND IF YOU DO NOT DO WELL, SIN IS CROUCHING AT THE DOOR, AND A
DESIRE IS CONTRARY TO YOU, BUT YOU MUST RULE OVER IT. COME ON.
AND SO HE'S TALKING. IT'S JUST SO INTERESTING BECAUSE HE'S
TALKING ABOUT HOW IT SAYS IN ANOTHER VERSION. BUT IF YOU
REFUSE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT, THEN WATCH OUT. SIN IS
CROUCHING AT THE DOOR, EAGER TO CONTROL YOU, BUT YOU MUST
SUBDUE IT AND MUST BE ITS MASTER. COME ON. THIS IS
TOTALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> YEAH. BIG TIME. I MEAN, YOU. >> KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO CAIN?
HE DID NOT. >> HE BECAME THE FIRST MURDERER.
>> THAT'S SUCH A CRAZY STORY. I MEAN, HE GIVES INTO IT FIRST
MURDERER, AND THEN HE GOES AND CONFRONTS CAIN.
>> ABOUT WHAT? HE GOT IRRITATED. HE WANTED TO OFFER A GRAIN
OFFERING. >> YEAH.
>> AND ABEL'S OFFERING THE FAT OF THE OF THE ANIMALS THAT HE
HAS, LIKE, THE BEST OF THE BEST. IT'S THIS GUY WHO'S TRYING TO.
HE'S TRYING TO CHINSE OUT ON OFFERING. GOD, I DON'T GOT TO
GIVE GOD ALL THAT. I DON'T GOT TO GIVE GOD ALL THAT. THAT I
DON'T GOT TO GIVE GOD ALL THAT LED TO MURDER. LET ME
LITERALLY LET HIM TO LIKE, HEY, SIN IS CROUCHING AT
THE DOOR IF YOU DO WHAT'S RIGHT. AND THIS WHOLE THING
OF LIKE, WELL, I DON'T HAVE TO FAST. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE
TO GO ALL THAT. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT. DOES
IT REALLY TAKE ALL THAT? DOES IT REALLY LIKE I WOULD
TAKE MY WALK WITH GOD OVER A PERSON LIKE THAT'S WALK WITH
GOD ANY DAY. AND I'M NOT ACTING LIKE MY WALK WITH GOD IS
PERFECT. I'M STILL TRYING TO STAY PLIABLE, MALLEABLE IN THE
HANDS OF THE LORD. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THAT PERSON. I DON'T
TAKE ALL THAT, YOU KNOW. >> YEAH, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO
THE BARE MINIMUM FOR GOD. THAT'S LIKE, COMPLETELY MISSES
THE HEART OF WORSHIP. AND HE WAS JEALOUS OF HIS BROTHER. BUT
GOD IS LIKE, YOU CAN HAVE THIS TOO. LIKE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
JEALOUS, YOU KNOW? AND HE'S LIKE, DON'T GIVE IN. YOU KNOW,
I THINK ABOUT THAT VERSE, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, BE ANGRY, BUT
SIN NOT. IT'S LIKE, DON'T LET YOU KNOW. DON'T OPEN THE DOOR
AND LET THIS THING OVERTAKE YOU, BECAUSE THEN IT'S GOING TO LEAD
TO SOMETHING EVEN WORSE. AND THEN THAT ACTION AFFECTED THE
TRAJECTORY OF HIS LIFE AND THE GENERATIONS AFTER. LIKE, YOU
KNOW, THE THING I THINK ABOUT NOW, WHICH I WAS NOT THINKING
ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, IS I THINK ABOUT HOW MY ACTIONS ARE GOING
TO AFFECT MY CHILDREN. >> COME ON.
>> BECAUSE YOU READ IN THE BIBLE LIKE YOU READ ABOUT THE
OTHER DAY. I WAS READING ABOUT SOLOMON, AND ONE OF THE THINGS
HE SAYS IS LIKE, I WON'T PUT THIS ON YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR
FATHER'S FAITHFULNESS, BUT IT IS GOING TO AFFECT YOUR SONS.
YEP. AND SO YOU SEE IN THE BIBLE, THERE'S THESE INSTANCES
WHERE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WHEN WE SEE GENERATIONAL
INIQUITY, BUT IT'S LIKE THERE CAN BE BLESSINGS STORED UP FOR
OUR CHILDREN OR CURSES BY OUR ACTIONS. AND SO I'M CHECKING
MYSELF BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, I KNOW YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. AND
IT'S LIKE AS MUCH AS LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR
FLESH. LIKE WHEN MY FLESH GETS HURT, I WANT TO LASH OUT AT THE
PEOPLE WHO HURT ME. >> AND WITHOUT A DOUBT, YEAH.
>> AND I HAVE TO CHECK MYSELF BECAUSE I'M LIKE, WHAT AM I
SOWING? BECAUSE WHAT AM I GOING TO REAP BECAUSE OF WHAT I DO
AND WHAT ARE MY CHILDREN GOING TO REAP? AND SO NOW I'M
THINKING LIKE, EVEN BIGGER PICTURE BECAUSE IT'S LIKE SIN
NEVER JUST AFFECTS YOU. IT AFFECTS ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND
YOU. >> DEUTERONOMY 3019 SAYS, I
HAVE LAID BEFORE YOU LIFE AND DEATH, BLESSINGS AND CURSES. I
CALL ON ALL OF HEAVEN TO WITNESS THE CHOICE YOU WILL
MAKE. PEOPLE WANT TO. PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK ABOUT, OH,
LIKE THERE'S NO FREE WILL. LIKE WHAT DO YOU DO? DEUTERONOMY
3019 LITERALLY GOD SAYS, I CALL ON ALL OF HEAVEN TO WITNESS THE
CHOICE YOU WILL MAKE. NOT THAT I PREDESTINED YOU TO MAKE, AND
YOU ARE A ROBOT AND YOU CAN'T, LIKE, MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS.
I HAVE SET BEFORE YOU LIFE OR DEATH, BLESSING AND CURSING.
BUT OH, THAT YOU WOULD CHOOSE LIFE, THAT YOU AND YOUR
DESCENDANTS MIGHT LIVE. THAT'S WHAT THE WAY THE TEXT READS.
YOU AND YOUR DESCENDANTS, YOUR ABILITY TO CHOOSE LIFE, WILL
AFFECT YOUR DESCENDANTS. THE CHOICES YOU ARE MAKING RIGHT
NOW, THEY WILL BLEED INTO THE NEXT, THEY WILL BLEED OR THEY
WILL BLESS. AND YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT TO CHOOSE AND ALL OF
HEAVEN. THIS IS WHERE THE GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES IN HEBREWS
CHAPTER 12 COMES IN. YEAH. I'M LIKE, MAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE
CHEERING US ON. THAT WE MIGHT CONTEND THAT WE WOULD LIKE,
HAVE HAVE LONG SUFFERING. WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS I LIKE
THAT SOME BIBLES TRANSLATE THAT FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, SOME
TRANSLATE IT PATIENCE. PATIENCE CAN OFTEN BE MISCONSTRUED OF
TO DO WHAT I WANT. LONG I'M PATIENTLY WAITING FOR GOD
SUFFERING IS LIKE I'M HOLDING ON TO HIM FOR DEAR LIFE, NO
MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES. YEAH, NO MATTER WHAT I WALK THROUGH.
IT'S A LONG SUFFERING. >> I THINK IT'S A BETTER I LIKE
THAT. >> I LIKE IT TOO. IT'S. IT'S A
BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT TRUE PATIENCE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S LIKE. LORD, NO. NO MATTER WHAT I HAVE TO WALK THROUGH FOR
THIS, IT WILL NEVER. IT WILL NEVER MATCH WHAT YOU WALKED
THROUGH FOR ME. IT WILL NEVER MATCH. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M
SAYING? IT'S WHEN I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO PREACH
ON DAYSTAR AND WAS PREACHING ON REVELATION
1211. IT SAYS THEY OVERCAME HIM BY THE BLOOD OF THE
LAMB AND THE WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY. WHAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT WORD TESTIMONY. WE
TRANSLATE IT TO THE ENGLISH WORD TESTIMONY. THE
ORIGINAL WORD IS THE WORD MARTURIA. IN GREEK IT MEANS
MARTYRDOM, THE WORD OF THEIR MARTYRDOM. WE THINK
THE WORD OF THEIR TESTIMONY IS HOW GOD BAILED THEM OUT.
AND THEY GOT SCOT FREE AND GOT BLESSED. AND THEY GOT
LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, WOW. LIKE THE
HANDS OF THE LORD IS ON, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY
OVERCAME THE ENEMY WAS BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND
SAYING, I'M WILLING TO SPILL MY OWN BLOOD AND HOW
CONFIDENT I AM IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. THESE PEOPLE
WHO OVERCAME SATAN DIED BECAUSE THEY WERE LIKE, YO,
MY TREASURE IS NOT ON THIS SIDE. MY TREASURE IS NOT IN
THE HERE AND NOW. JESUS SAYS, STORE UP FOR
YOURSELVES TREASURES IN HEAVEN, WHERE MOTH AND RUST AND THIEVES
CANNOT BREAK IN AND STEAL LIKE YOU KNOW WHERE. STORE UP FOR
YOURSELVES. JESUS SAYS, YOU KNOW, DON'T FEAR HIM WHO CAN
ONLY KILL THE BODY, BUT CANNOT KILL THE SOUL, BUT FEAR HIM WHO
CAN KILL BOTH BODY AND SOUL IN HELL?
>> YEAH. >> CONSTANTLY TRYING TO GET US
OFF THIS PLANE, OFF THIS LIKE, HEY, IN THIS, YOU KNOW, LITTLE,
LITTLE, LITTLE PLACE WE TRY TO LIVE OUR LIVES IN AND SAY,
RECOGNIZE THERE'S A WHOLE NOTHER REALM. THERE'S A WHOLE
NOTHER. THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT HEAVEN. HEAVEN IS GOING
TO FEEL INFINITELY MORE REAL. HAVE YOU EVER WOKEN UP FROM,
LIKE, A DREAM? AND WHEN YOU WAKE UP, YOU'RE LIKE, THAT FELT
SO REAL WHILE I WAS IN IT. BUT NOW THAT I'M AWAKE, I'M LIKE,
YO, WHY WAS I SCARED? THAT WAS SO WEIRD. LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL
OF A SUDDEN I WAS IN MY IN MY DREAM, I'M TALKING TO REBECCA.
BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT TURNS INTO RACHEL, AND THEN ALL
OF A SUDDEN IT TURNS INTO MISS JONI, AND IT'S LIKE. BUT I
NEVER QUESTIONED IT IN THE DREAM. YEAH, BUT NOW I'M LIKE,
YO, THAT WAS WEIRD. LIKE, THAT'S NOT REAL. THAT'S HOW
HEAVEN'S GONNA FEEL. WE'RE GONNA GET TO HEAVEN. BE LIKE,
WHY WAS I EVER ANXIOUS? WHY WAS I EVER DEPRESSED? WHY DID I
EVER THINK NONE OF THIS WAS GOING TO WORK OUT? THIS MY
THE HE WHOSE EYES ARE A FIRE. HIS HAIR IS WHITE AS
WOOL. HIS FEET ARE OF BURNISHED BRONZE. WAS
ADVOCATING FOR ME, FOUGHT FOR ME, DIED FOR ME, FILLED
ME WITH HIS SPIRIT. WHY WAS I EVER AFRAID? AND THAT'S
WHAT HEAVEN'S GOING TO BE LIKE. WHEN WE STEP ON THE
OTHER SIDE. WE'RE GONNA BE LIKE, MAN, THANK GOD I'M
HERE. BUT WHY WAS I EVER AFRAID WHILE I WAS THERE?
HE IS. >> WITH ME. IT'S SO TRUE. AND
IT'S LIKE, CAN YOU. IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE THAT
REVELATION AND LIVE OUT OF IT HERE.
>> YOU DO. >> I LOVE THAT YOU'RE BEING
MOVED. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT. YOU FEEL HIS
PRESENCE IN THAT CONVICTION, IN HIS WORD. AND IT'S LIKE WE NEED
TO LIVE. IT'S LIKE THE DISCIPLES LIVED OUT OF THAT
HEAVENLY REVELATION. >> YES.
>> AND IT'S LIKE I'M ALWAYS JUST LIKE, OKAY, THE BIBLE
CONSTANTLY IS LIKE WE WALK BY FAITH AND NOT BY SIGHT. IT'S
LIKE, PUT YOUR MIND ON THINGS ABOVE, LIKE IN HEAVEN WHERE
CHRIST IS SEATED. AND SO WE NEED TO BE LIVING OUR LIVES
MORE IN TUNE ALMOST WITH THAT. YEAH. THAN HERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S
SO EASY TO BE FIXATED ON HERE AND NOW AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT WE HAVE A WHOLE ETERNITY IN FRONT OF US. AND WHAT WE DO
HERE AFFECTS WHAT HAPPENS IN ETERNITY, BIG TIME, YOU KNOW,
OR IT HAS AN IMPACT ON ETERNITY. AND SO IT'S LIKE I AM ALWAYS
THINKING I WANT TO MAKE ETERNAL INVESTMENTS WITH MY LIFE. AND I
THINK ABOUT YOU. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I WANT TO
HAVE A CROWN TO LAY AT THE FEET OF JESUS. AND I'M ALWAYS LIKE,
I DON'T. I KNOW I'M GOING TO STAND BEFORE HIM. I'M GOING TO
BE JUDGED NOT BY MY SIN, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN FORGIVEN.
YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT JUDGMENT. SINNERS
WILL HAVE TO WHICH YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> THE GREAT, THE GREAT WHITE THRONE.
>> BUT WE WILL BE JUDGED ON WHAT WE DID AND DID NOT DO.
>> YEAH. >> AND OUR MOTIVATIONS WITHIN
EVEN WHAT WE DID WILL BE JUDGED AS WELL. AND SO IT'S LIKE WHEN
I STAND BEFORE GOD, I DON'T WANT I WANT TO KNOW THAT. I
WANT TO KNOW THAT I DID A GOOD JOB. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE
LIKE, WHY DIDN'T YOU OBEY ME ON THIS? YOU KNOW? AND SO I'M
TRYING TO LIVE WITH THAT CONVICTION, KNOWING I'M GOING
TO STAND BEFORE HIM ONE DAY AND THAT ULTIMATELY, LIKE YOU SAID,
YOU DON'T FEAR ANYONE BUT GOD. THE ONE WHO CAN TAKE BODY AND
SOUL, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THE ONLY ONE I SHOULD
FEAR IS HIM. I NEED TO LIVE MY LIFE TO PLEASE HIM. THAT'S THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND SO, YEAH.
>> THAT'S A VERSE THAT'S BEEN HAUNTING ME RECENTLY. WHAT
REVELATION 21. PEOPLE LOVE IT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE COMFORTING.
YEAH, BUT IT'S HAUNTING ME BECAUSE IT SAYS IN REVELATION
21, AND HE WILL WIPE AWAY EVERY TEAR FROM THEIR EYE. HE'S NOT
TALKING ABOUT STUFF YOU CRIED ABOUT ON EARTH. WELL, THIS IS
TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHEN WE ARE IN HEAVEN, WE'RE IN ETERNITY.
THERE WILL BE TEARS IN ETERNITY. AND YOU KNOW WHY? IT'S BECAUSE
REVELATION 21 COMES DIRECTLY AFTER REVELATION 20, THE LAST
VERSE OF REVELATION 20. THE CHAPTER BEFORE IS. AND THEY
WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT FOUND IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE WERE
THROWN INTO A LAKE OF FIRE. >> OH, WOW.
>> AND THEN YOU GET INTO. AND HE WIPED AWAY EVERY TEAR FROM
OUR EYE. >> OH.
>> I, I'VE. >> NEVER HEARD ANYONE MAKE THAT
CONNECTION. >> MAKES SENSE. I'VE BEEN
READING REVELATION RECENTLY AND I SAW THAT AND I WAS LIKE, OH,
WELL, THIS IS JUST KEENAN. I'M NOT SAYING THIS, BUT THE ORDER
THAT THINGS COME IN LEAD ME TO BELIEVE. WILL WE HAVE TO WATCH?
OH, GOD. AS PEOPLE, WE PASS BY, AS OUR NEIGHBOR, AS THE PERSON
WE WERE LIKE, NO, I DON'T WANT TO SHARE JESUS WITH THEM. FIND
THEIR PLACE IN A LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE BECAUSE THEIR
NAME IS NOT FOUND IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE. AND THANK GOD
THAT GRIEF'S NOT FOREVER, BUT WILL WE MOMENTARILY FILL THAT
GRIEF, THE GRIEF OF THE HEART OF GOD, WHERE THEY FIND THEIR
PLACE IN ETERNAL DAMNATION, WHERE THE WORM DIETH NOT WHERE
THERE IS WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH, IS WHAT JESUS SAYS.
AND WILL HE THEN COME WIPE AWAY EVERY TEAR FROM OUR EYE? WE
WILL FORGET THE FORMER THINGS BECAUSE THEIR FORMER THINGS ARE
BEHIND. DEATH IS NO MORE. DEATH AND HADES HAVE BEEN
THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AS WELL AS WHAT IT SAYS.
BUT THAT THAT VERSE HAUNTS ME OF WILL THERE BE TEARS
IN OUR EYES BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WE HAVE TO WATCH
FIND THEIR PLACE IN A LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE? I
DON'T KNOW. >> THAT'S WHY I THINK, I
THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO THINK
ABOUT THAT. THEY DON'T WANT NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HELL,
YOU KNOW? BUT I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THE GUY ON WHO, LIKE,
SPENT 23 MINUTES IN HELL. >> OH, WOW.
>> AND HE KNOWS THE BIBLE SO WELL. HE WILL JUST QUOTE HE
KNOWS EVERY VERSE, I THINK MEMORIZED ABOUT HELL BECAUSE OF
HIS OWN EXPERIENCE. AND HE'S JUST SO BIBLICALLY ACCURATE.
BUT WHEN I HEARD HIS TESTIMONY, I WAS JUST LIKE, YOU FEEL THAT
WEIGHT? AND I THINK YOU FEEL THAT WEIGHT TOO, AS AN
EVANGELIST. >> YEAH.
>> BIG TIME. IT'S LIKE YOU FEEL THE WEIGHT OF ETERNITY AND
KNOWING THAT, LIKE, OUR OBEDIENCE IS JUST SO IMPORTANT
BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT OTHERS. AND I ALSO JUST THINK ABOUT I
REMEMBER WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWING TIM TIMBERLAKE AND
HE HAD A DREAM WHERE HE SAW BLOOD ON HIS HANDS, AND IT'S
LIKE, YOU'LL BE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS FOR YOUR DISOBEDIENCE,
BASICALLY. AND IT'S LIKE, KIND OF LIKE THE DREAM THAT PIVOTED
HIS WHOLE LIFE INTO MINISTRY BECAUSE HE WAS PUSHING AWAY
FROM IT. WOW. AND SO IT'S LIKE WHAT? OUR OBEDIENCE DOES MATTER.
AND OF COURSE, GOD IS A MERCIFUL AND GRACIOUS GOD, AND
HE'S BIGGER THAN US. BUT IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO TAKE THIS
SERIOUSLY. >> BIG TIME.
>> AND THAT'S WHY EVEN LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE,
THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE GIFTS OF
THE SPIRIT AREN'T JUST FOR US. THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT REALLY
ARE FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE KINGDOM BIG TIME. AND THAT'S
WHY, LIKE, WE SHOULDN'T MAKE IT ABOUT LIKE A CHURCH, JUST LIKE
A CHURCH SERVICE. NOT SAYING IT'S THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT
IT'S LIKE IT'S FOR GOING OUTSIDE THE WALLS OF THE CHURCH
AND REACHING THE LOST. AND ALL OF US SHOULD BE OPERATING THOSE
GIFTS. IT'S NOT ABOUT, OH, LOOK, I CAN LIKE A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE,
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A SHOW THING. IT'S NOTHING IS PROBABLY MORE
IMPACTFUL THAN SHARING A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE WITH THE LOST
PERSON. AND I WILL SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
WANTING TO MINISTER TO PEOPLE ON THE STREETS WHEN I HAD DALE
MARSDEN. HE SAYS HE ALWAYS MAKES IT A POINT TO MINISTER TO
PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH BECAUSE HE SAYS IT KEEPS YOU
GROUNDED. >> YEAH, YEAH.
>> FOR SURE. NORMAL, BECAUSE PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH WILL KIND
OF RIDE WITH YOU OR COURTESY FALL FOR YOU SOMETIMES, BUT NOT
LOST PEOPLE. >> NO THEY DON'T.
>> THEY WILL NOT. AND SO I THINK IT'S SO I THINK IT'S SO
GOOD FOR ALL OF US TO GO OUTSIDE AND MINISTER TO THOSE
WHO AREN'T IN THE CHURCH, BECAUSE THEY THINK IT HELPS
KEEP US HUMBLE AND GROUNDED. >> YEAH, I THINK IT REMINDS YOU
THAT LIKE, LIKE WE REALLY DO HAVE A HARVEST. YEAH. YOU KNOW
WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IT'S LIKE, NO.
>> I'M NOT JUST CALLED TO >> IT'S YOUR EYES OFF YOURSELF.
MANAGE CHRISTIANS. I'M CALLED TO MAKE CONVERTS AND DISCIPLES.
RIGHT? YOU KNOW, LIKE I'M CALLED TO GO OUT AND CONVERT
THE WORLD. YEAH. AND SO, YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT'S AN
IMPORTANT THING LIKE THAT. WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. AND I
THINK IN MOMENTS OF MY LIFE I'VE BEEN GUILTY OF THAT, LIKE
NOT BEING TENDER. >> SAME I THINK ALL OF US HAVE.
>> WHERE IT'S JUST LIKE LIKE I REMEMBER ASKING MY PASTOR
RECENTLY, I SAID, I'M BOTHERED THAT I'M NOT BOTHERED THAT
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HELL. LIKE, IT BOTHERS ME THAT IT DOESN'T
BOTHER ME. AND I JUST HAD TO GET HONEST WITH HIM. LIKE I WAS
FEELING LIKE, MAN, I JUST I'M NOT THAT MOVED OR GRIEVED BY
THIS. AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT RIGHT. AND HE WAS VERY
COMFORTING TO ME. HE REMINDED ME THAT LIKE, OF COURSE, LIKE
THE LORD KNOWS YOU ARE A DAD, YOU ARE A HUSBAND. IF YOU WERE
TO FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THAT NONSTOP, YOU WOULD BE TEMPTED
TO SET ASIDE SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF BEING A
FATHER AND A HUSBAND, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO GO WIN SOULS, YOU
KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT SINCE THEN, HE'S ENCOURAGED ME. ASK
THE LORD FOR THAT BURDEN. YEAH. AND IT'S PROPER MEASURE FOR YOU.
AND I BEGAN, THAT'S WISDOM. I ASKED THE LORD. LORD, GIVE ME A
BURDEN FOR PEOPLE GOING TO HELL THAT IS RIGHT FOR ME LIKE THAT.
THAT THAT IS THAT IS THE PROPER BURDEN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
AND I CAN SAY THE LORD HAS BEEN DOING THAT. THE LORD HAS BEEN
GRIEVING MY HEART. I REMEMBER SITTING ON AN AIRPLANE RECENTLY
AND HAVING TO LOOK OUT THE WINDOW JUST BECAUSE, LIKE TEARS
WERE COMING DOWN MY FACE AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE I
KNOW PERSONALLY WHO MAY NOT MAKE IT.
>> YEAH. >> LIKE THEY MAY NOT. THEY MAY
GIVE LIKE THEY MAY HAVE RAISED A HALF MAST HAND TO HEAVEN.
THEY MAY ACT LIKE, OH, I LOVE JESUS, BUT THEY LOVE THEIR
JESUS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY LOVE THE JESUS OF THE
SCRIPTURES. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE HIGHEST VOICE IN THEIR LIFE,
THE FRUITS OF SALVATION. I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THEM AND
IT MAKES ME WONDER, LIKE, WOULD THEY MAKE IT LIKE, ARE THEY FOR
REAL SAVED? I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU CAN
YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE LITTLE PLEASANTRIES OF LIKE, OH, I DID
THE LITTLE SONG AND DANCE OF, YOU KNOW, WALKING, YOU KNOW,
PRAYING THE LITTLE PRAYER. >> YEAH. I'M LIKE PRAYING. THAT
LITTLE PRAYER IS NOT THE ONLY THING, YOU.
>> KNOW, LIKE DID. IS CHRIST REALLY YOUR LORD?
>> YEAH. >> IS HE YOUR PORTION?
>> ARE YOU SURRENDERED TO HIM? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S THAT.
JESUS TELLS THAT PARABLE IN THE BIBLE OF THE SEEDS AND HOW,
LIKE THE SEEDS, IT'S LIKE SOME GO INTO THE ROCKY SOIL, SOME
ARE TAKEN UP BY THE BIRDS. AND IT'S BASICALLY SAYING LIKE
PEOPLE WHO NEWLY GET SAVED, BUT THEN THEY GET SNATCHED OUT AND.
>> CARES OF THIS WORLD. >> IT'S JUST THE FIRST STEP,
YOU KNOW, TO A LIFE IN SUBMISSION. AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S LIKE, IS HE YOUR LORD? YOU KNOW, LIKE, ARE YOU SUBMITTED
TO HIM? IT'S SO TRUE. >> YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT
JAMES IS SAYING WHEN JAMES SAYS FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.
YEAH, JAMES, YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT. PEOPLE WANT TO BE LIKE PIT
JAMES VERSUS PAUL, RIGHT? BUT JAMES IS NOT IN DISCORDANCE
WITH PAUL. JAMES IS SAYING LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN'T PRETEND LIKE YOU
HAVE FAITH AND NOT LET YOUR LIFE SHOW IT. LIKE YOU CAN'T
PRETEND LIKE THAT, DUDE. LIKE THAT'S THAT'S THAT IS THAT
FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. THAT FAITH YOU CLAIM TO HAVE,
IT'S DEAD. LIKE YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO LIVE IT.
>> BUT THAT GOES BACK INTO PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE THAT. WELL,
THAT'S LEGALISTIC OR SOMETHING. AND JAMES IS NOT A LEGALISTIC
BOOK AT ALL. IT'S WISDOM LITERATURE ACTUALLY. BUT ALL
THAT BEING SAID, I ACTUALLY FINALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT VERSE,
LIKE JUST RECENTLY. AND I REALIZED IF YOU ACTUALLY
BELIEVE SOMETHING, IT WILL BE APPARENT IN YOUR ACTIONS BIG
TIME. BECAUSE IF I BELIEVE IT'S RAINING OUTSIDE, THEN I'LL HAVE
AN UMBRELLA OR I'LL RUN TO MY CAR IF I DON'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE
IT'S RAINING, RIGHT, I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY ACTIONS THEN
IF IT WAS SUNNY. YEAH, SO IT'S THE SAME THING. IF YOU REALLY
BELIEVE JESUS IS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE
THAT YOU FEAR GOD, IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE HELL IS A REAL
PLACE, IT WILL SHOW IN YOUR ACTIONS.
>> BIG TIME. >> AND SO THAT'S REALLY JUST A
TRUE STATEMENT. BIG TIME. FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD, AND
WORKS ARE A FRUIT FROM YOUR FAITH.
>> YEAH. BIG TIME. YEAH. NO, I DON'T GET ME ALL STARTED ON.
YEAH, YEAH. >> NO, WE HAVE TO WRAP. WE'RE
LIKE. THEY LIKE, CAME OVER HERE. HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN GOING?
>> IT HAS BEEN GREAT. NO, I COULD TALK TO YOU ALL DAY. THIS
HAS BEEN. >> WELL.
>> YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK. YOU'RE A KINDRED SPIRIT. I FEEL
LIKE WE KIND OF BURN FOR THE SAME STUFF, SO.
>> NO, HONESTLY, IT KIND OF. I WAS LIKE, THIS JUST IS LIKE A
REALLY EASY CONVERSATION. AND I KIND OF JUST TURNED IT INTO,
I'M GLAD WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FASTING. I FEEL LIKE WE DID HIT
ON IT. WELL, NO. >> AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS I
TOLD YOU PRIOR TO THE PODCAST, I WAS LIKE, WE MAY TALK ABOUT
FASTING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO WHERE THE SPIRIT LEADS LIKE WE
DO NOT APPRECIATE. >> YOU KNOW? BUT I JUST, YOU
KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS. I WAS LIKE, THERE'S LIKE FIVE
MORE TRAILS. I HONESTLY WANT TO GO DOWN. BUT MY MIND IS LIKE,
OKAY, YOU GOT TO START WRAPPING. >> YEAH.
>> YOU HAVE. >> TO.
>> LIKE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK THOUGH.
>> I WOULD LOVE THAT. I'D BE HONORED TO COME BACK ON. THANK
YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> YEAH. FOR SURE. IS THERE ANY,
LIKE, FINAL ENCOURAGEMENT YOU JUST WANT TO SAY TO THE PERSON
WHO'S WATCHING THAT, MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS JUST STIRRING
SOMETHING WITHIN THEIR SPIRIT. >> YEAH, I FEEL THE LORD SAYING
THIS. IT'S TIME TO GO. ALL IN. AMEN. TIME TO GO ALL IN. NONE
OF THIS HALFWAY HALF STUFF. THE DEVIL OWNS THE FENCE. IT'S TIME
TO GO ALL THE WAY IN. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THIS LIFE OF
FOLLOWING CHRIST? BUT THEN HALFWAY DO IT. YOU RECEIVE A
HALFWAY BLESSING. YOU WANT THE FULL THING GO ALL THE WAY IN.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE PRAYING AND THE FASTING. LIKE, YOU KNOW,
I TOLD MY WIFE A WHILE BACK, LIKE, YO, IF WE'RE GOING TO
DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY. YEAH, WE'RE JUST
GONNA BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. YEAH. IF LIKE,
WE'RE GOING TO BE BIBLE PEOPLE, LET'S BE BIBLE
PEOPLE. LET'S JUST COMMIT TO LIKE, I DON'T CARE WHO
THINKS WE'RE CRAZY. I DON'T CARE WHO THINKS WE'RE
WHATEVER. WE WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE HALFWAY
CHRISTIANS. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE SOMEBODY,
TODAY IS A GREAT DAY TO GO ALL THE WAY. TODAY IS A
GREAT DAY TO DO THE RIGHT DAY TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND RIGHT NOW IS A GREAT MOMENT TO JUST SAY, LORD, I
REALLY DO FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN LIVING THIS, THIS
LUKEWARM LIFE, THIS LAODICEAN LIFE. THAT WAS
HIS REBUKE OF THE CHURCH OF LAODICEA IN THE BOOK OF
REVELATIONS. REVELATION THREE, HE SAYS, I'LL SPEW
YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH BECAUSE YOU'RE LUKEWARM. I DON'T
WANT TO LIVE A LUKEWARM LIFE. AND I HAVE A REAL
STRONG HUNCH THAT YOU DON'T EITHER. AND SO TODAY IS A
DAY WHERE IT SAYS, GOD, I WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY. AND
YES, THAT DOES MEAN THINGS YOU BELIEVE, BUT IT ALSO
SHOWS UP IN THE POSTURES OF YOUR LIFE. IT SHOWS UP IN
THE POSTURES OF YOUR ROUTINE. IT SHOWS UP IN THE
POSTURES OF THE PLACES YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE A
STAND AND SAY, NO, I'M NOT BACKING DOWN ON THIS. LIKE
WHOEVER THIS JESUS SAID THIS, WHO IS MY MOTHER? WHO ARE
MY BROTHERS? THEY THAT DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER? THAT'S MY
FAMILY. THAT'S KIND OF GANGSTER. YEAH. LIKE FOR JESUS TO SAY,
HEY, YOUR MOTHER AND BROTHER OUTSIDE, THEY SAY THAT TO JESUS.
AND JESUS GOES, WHO EVEN IS MY MOTHER? WHO EVEN ARE MY
BROTHERS? THEY THAT DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. THAT'S THE PLACE
WE GOT TO GET. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PLANT REBELLION
IN THE HEARTS OF PEOPLE WHO SAY, MY MOM AND MY DAD,
THEY'RE LIKE, NOT FULL BORE AFTER JESUS. THEY'RE NOT MY
REAL PARENTS. YOU HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE THIS SOLD OUT, YOUR HIGHEST,
YOUR HIGHEST LOYALTY AND ALLEGIANCE IS TO CHRIST.
AND TODAY IS A GREAT DAY TO, FOR REAL, COMMIT TO LIVING
IN LINE WITH HIS SPIRIT AND LIVING IN LINE WITH THE
SCRIPTURES. YEAH, SO THAT'S WHY I'D LEAVE PEOPLE WITH.
>> YEAH. CAN YOU JUST PRAY FOR THAT PERSON? YEAH. AND
THEN WE'LL WRAP. >> YEAH. LET'S PRAY. LORD,
I THANK YOU FOR THE PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
SCREEN. LORD, I THANK YOU THAT YOU LOVE THEM. LORD,
THAT YOU SEE THEM, LORD, THAT THEY ARE NOT FAR FROM
YOUR SIGHT. THEY'RE NOT FAR FROM YOUR MIND, LORD, THAT
YOU DON'T HAVE SOME PLAN FOR THEIR LIFE THAT YOU
SCRIBBLED ON A NAPKIN. LORD, THAT THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE
FOR THEIR LIFE WAS IT WAS WRITTEN AND FORMED AND
KNOWN BY YOU BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD
HAD EVEN BEEN LAID. AND LORD, RIGHT NOW, IN THE
MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS, I THANK YOU. I CANCEL THE
ASSIGNMENT OF HELL ON THEIR LIFE. I TELL EVERY DEMONIC
PRINCIPALITY, POWER, SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN
HIGH PLACES. I TELL YOU, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE NOW. IN
JESUS MIGHTY NAME. I SILENCE THE VOICE OF THE
ACCUSER. WE SPEAK CONDEMNATION BE GONE
BECAUSE THEY BELONG TO CHRIST IN JESUS NAME. I'M
ASKING FOR FAITH TO ARISE IN THEIR HEART. I'M ASKING
FOR CLARITY TO BE GIVEN TO THEIR SPIRIT. I'M ASKING
FOR THEM TO DESIRE THE THINGS OF THE WORD, DESIRE
THE THINGS OF THE LORD AND LORD. I THANK YOU THAT AS
THEY HUNGER AND THIRST FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, THEY SHALL
BE FILLED IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME, AMEN.
>> AMEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR