>> HEY, GUYS, WELCOME BACK TO THE PODCAST.
I AM JOINED HERE WITH MY HUSBAND,
AND MARTIN AND MILLICENT SEDRA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, GUYS.
WE APPRECIATE IT. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE.
THANK YOU.
>> I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU GUYS ONLINE AND I'VE JUST
BEEN ANTICIPATING HAVING YOU GUYS IN THE STUDIO,
AND YOU'RE HERE.
>> WE'RE EXCITED.
>> YES, WE ARE HERE.
>> GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP WITH OUR AUSTRALIAN ACCENT.
>> YES, ALL THE WAY FROM AUSTRALIA.
>> NO, WE LOVE AUSTRALIA.
>> I HAVEN'T BEEN, BUT I'VE HEARD SO MANY GOOD THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF --
>> YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN?
>> NO, I NEED TO GO.
>> IT'S SUCH A CRIME, HE'S NEVER BEEN.
I HAVEN'T BEEN IN YEARS.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO COME FIGHT THE KANGAROOS.
WE HAVE LOTS OF KANGAROOS, THEY'RE BOXERS.
>> AND THEY DO FIGHT. I'VE SEEN THEM.
>> THEY DO FIGHT.
THEY'RE BIGGER THAN YOU.
>> HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN A FIGHT WITH ONE?
>> NO, I HAVEN'T. I'VE DROVE AND HIT ONE BEFORE.
>> OH, NO.
>> I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A FIGHT WITH ONE OF THOSE.
>> THEY'RE LIKE THE SQUIRRELS OF AMERICA.
THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.
>> YES, EVERYWHERE.
>> AND THEY'RE BIG, MAN.
>> YEAH, THEY'RE HUGE.
[ OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION ]
>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
>> OH, MY GOODNESS.
AND SO YOU GUYS ARE PART OF ECHO CHURCH.
>> YEAH.
>> TELL US ABOUT THAT.
>> YEAH. ECHO CHURCH,
SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA.
PLANTED EIGHT YEARS AGO.
UM, AND YEAH, WE CAME FROM EGYPT AND REALLY WITH
A HEART TO JUST SEE.
>> SO YOU'RE BOTH FROM EGYPT?
>> NO, I'M FROM EGYPT.
>> I'M EGYPTIAN AUSTRALIAN.
>> MILLIE IS AUSTRALIAN.
WE CAME TO AUSTRALIA.
I CAME TO AUSTRALIA 17 YEARS AGO.
>> SO YOU WERE LITERALLY BORN IN EGYPT?
>> BORN, RAISED IN EGYPT, MUSLIM COUNTRY.
>> WOW.
>> MOVED TO AUSTRALIA AS REFUGEES AND THEN
ECHO CHURCH IS EIGHT YEARS OLD NOW.
OUR MISSION IS
WE WILL JUST PREACH THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE
NO MATTER THE COST.
SO WE'RE JUST PREACHING THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE.
IF THE BIBLE SAYS IT, WE'RE GOING TO PREACH IT
AND LOTS OF PEOPLE GET OFFENDED, LOTS OF PEOPLE
GET SAVED, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE GOSPEL DOES.
IT OFFENDS YOU OR TRANSFORMS YOU.
>> IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE
THE GOSPEL IS OFFENSIVE.
>> EXACTLY. EXACTLY.
>> WELL, THEY CRUCIFIED JESUS FOR THE TRUTH THAT
HE SPOKE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THE
GREATEST CRIME AS A CHRISTIAN IS IF SOMEONE
GETS OFFENDED AT YOU.
AND I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT HOW JESUS,
YOU KNOW, WITH THE YOUNG RICH RULER,
HE GAVE HIM THE PLAIN TRUTH AND THE MAN,
HE HEARD IT.
JESUS SAID IT IN LOVE AND HE WALKED AWAY.
AND SOMETIMES THE MOST LOVING THING YOU CAN DO FOR SOMEONE
IS TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY WALK AWAY.
AND AT LEAST NOW THEY KNOW WHERE THEY STAND WITH CHRIST.
AT LEAST NOW THEY KNOW WHERE THEY STAND BEFORE GOD.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT IS LIKE A HUGE PET PEEVE OF MINE
WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO LIKE SEPARATE LOVE AND TRUTH
BECAUSE IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK IN SCRIPTURE
IN 1 CORINTHIANS 13, IT SAYS
LOVE REJOICES IN TRUTH.
SO LIKE WHY IS NO ONE QUOTING THIS VERSE,
WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SEPARATE --
I WAS LIKE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS LOVE WITHOUT TRUTH.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FROM A BIBLICAL STANDPOINT.
>> YEAH, YEAH. THEY LOVE --
THEY LOVE THE GENTLE SIDE OF JESUS, YOU KNOW.
JESUS TOUCHING THE LEPER.
>> MEEK AND MILD.
>> THE MEEK AND MILD,
JESUS CARRYING THE LAMB ON HIS SHOULDERS.
THEY LOVE THESE VERSES.
BUT I'M LIKE WHAT ABOUT THE VERSE WHEN JESUS
FLIPPED THE TABLES IN THE TEMPLE?
WHAT ABOUT THE VERSES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT WHEN ELIJAH
LITERALLY BEHEADED THE PROPHETS OF BAAL BECAUSE
HE WAS SO ANGRY.
DON'T BEHEAD ANYBODY, BUT I'M LIKE
HAVE YOU READ THOSE VERSES?
THE BIBLE IS NOT ONLY ABOUT MEEKNESS AND GENTLENESS,
THE BIBLE IS ALSO ABOUT
COURAGE AND BOLDNESS.
YOU KNOW, JESUS IS DESCRIBED AS THE LAMB,
BUT NOT ALSO THE LAMB,
BUT AS THE LION OF JUDAH.
SO THE QUESTION IS NOW,
WHEN IS IT THE RIGHT TIME TO BE A LAMB,
GENTLE, MEEK AND LOVING,
AND WHEN IS THE RIGHT TIME TO BE A LION,
WHICH IS BOLD, COURAGEOUS.
IF YOU'RE ONE EXTREME IT'S WRONG.
IF YOU'RE ALWAYS A LION, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS ANGRY
AND YOU'RE NEVER LOVING AND NEVER FORGIVING,
AND THERE'S NEVER PEACE, IT'S WRONG.
BUT IF YOU'RE ALWAYS A LAMB, ALWAYS JUST PREACHING
THE NICE THINGS, THE MEEK THINGS, THE GENTLE THINGS.
YOU'RE ALSO WRONG. CHRIST IS THE LAMB
AND THE LION.
>> YEAH. AND IT'S INTERESTING HOW
THE DISCIPLES WERE MARKED WITH BOTH
TRUTH AND LOVE.
JESUS SAID PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES
BY THE WAY YOU LOVE ONE ANOTHER,
BUT ALSO WHEN PETER AND I THINK IT WAS JOHN PREACHING,
WHEN THEY WERE PREACHING,
IT SAYS THAT THE PHARISEES AND THE SANHEDRIN,
THEY WERE AMAZED AT THEIR BOLDNESS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WORD BOLDNESS IN THE GREEK,
IT MEANS PLAINLY SPEAKING, LIKE I'M NOT TRYING TO --
I'M NOT TRYING TO COVER IT UP.
I'M NOT BEATING AROUND THE BUSH.
I'M NOT BEING UNCLEAR.
THE WAY THAT THEY JUST SPOKE THE TRUTH PLAINLY,
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THEY KNEW
THAT THESE MEN HAD BEEN AND WALKED WITH JESUS.
IT'S INTERESTING, THAT'S A SIGN THAT YOU'VE
SPENT TIME IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD, THAT YOU JUST SPEAK
THE TRUTH IN LOVE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO DANCE AROUND THE TRUTH.
I'M NOT TRYING TO COVER IT UP,
REMOVE IT, TAKE AWAY.
I JUST SPEAK WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS ME TO SAY
AND I SAY IT PLAINLY BECAUSE I'M NOT ASHAMED OF IT,
BECAUSE IT'S THE TRUTH THAT SETS PEOPLE FREE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT LOVING TO COVER UP OR HIDE
THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S THE TRUTH
THAT SETS PEOPLE FREE.
>> YEAH.
>> IT'S THE TRUTH THAT SAVES.
>> AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH,
THIS IS WHAT HE TELLS THE DISCIPLES.
IT WILL LEAD YOU TO ALL TRUTH.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK
YOU MADE SUCH A GOOD POINT BECAUSE YOU ALSO SAID
HE SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE LIKE, WHAT IS IT,
WISE AS SERPENT?
>> YEAH.
>> INNOCENT AS A DOVE.
>> INNOCENT AS A DOVE, BUT ALSO --
>> SHREWD AS A SNAKE.
>> EXACTLY. SO YOU HAVE THIS LIKE TENSION ALMOST,
HOW DO YOU BALANCE IT?
>> YES.
>> THE WISDOM FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT.
>> EXACTLY.
>> WHEN YOU STUDY THE LIFE OF JESUS,
HOW HE TREATS THE WOMAN AT THE WELL IS DIFFERENT
THAN HOW HE HANDLES THE PHARISEES.
BUT THERE'S WISDOM BECAUSE HE TREATS EXACTLY
HOW THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE HANDLED.
>> EXACTLY. EXACTLY.
>> AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED THE WISDOM FROM GOD
AND THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT AND THE GIFTS
OF THE SPIRIT TO REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT.
>> YOU NAILED IT AND AND IT'S ALL,
BY THE WAY, CONTEXTUAL.
THERE IS A TIME TO BE LOVING AND THERE'S
A TIME TO BE ANGRY.
THIS IS A THING,
I THINK WE IN THE CHURCH,
WE LACK HOLY RIGHTEOUS ANGER.
WHEN THERE'S A MILLION BABIES GETTING ABORTED
EVERY SINGLE YEAR IN THE U.S.,
WHY WOULDN'T I BE ANGRY ON THE PULPIT WHEN I PREACH?
WHEN THERE'S PRIDE PARADES GOING ON, WHY WOULDN'T I BE
ANGRY AT THAT?
I AM ANGRY.
AND I THINK THERE IS A TIME TO BE ANGRY AS CHRISTIANS
AND A TIME TO BE BOLD AND COURAGEOUS.
AND THAT IS WHEN CHILDREN ARE GETTING BUTCHERED,
WHEN IT'S PRIDE PARADES, WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE
ARE GETTING MUTILATED.
THERE IS A TIME TO BE RIGHTEOUSLY ANGRY
AND THAT'S WHY JESUS FLIPPED THE TABLES.
>> I THINK THAT YOU GET TO BRING A REALLY
UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE HAVING, LIKE YOU JUST SAID,
YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED IN EGYPT,
WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN EVEN AUSTRALIA.
BUT AMERICA SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THAT CULTURE
YOU SHOULD TALK TO THAT.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING BORN THERE AND GROWING UP
IN THAT ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT.
>> YEAH.
WELL, THE THING IS IN EGYPT IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN
IF YOU STAY SILENT IN CHRISTIANITY,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DIE, BUT IF YOU SPEAK ABOUT JESUS
IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE, YOU WILL DIE.
SO CHRISTIANS IN EGYPT
ARE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR LIFE, LOSE THEIR HEAD.
UH, THEY CAN LOSE THEIR CHILDREN.
THEIR WIFE CAN GET KILLED OR THEIR KIDS
GET SLAUGHTERED, BUT CHRISTIANS ARE STILL
PREACHING JESUS AND DECLARING TRUTH.
BUT THEN YOU COME TO AUSTRALIA OR AMERICA
AND CHRISTIANS ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE THEIR HEAD OR THE
KIDS DIE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO PREACH.
I'M LIKE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
YOU LITERALLY HAVE FREEDOM TO PREACH AND YOU'RE NOT
USING YOUR FREEDOM.
PEOPLE IN EGYPT DON'T HAVE FREEDOM TO PREACH,
YET THEY'RE STILL PREACHING AND IF AMERICA DOESN'T USE
THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO PREACH THE TRUTH,
THEY WILL SOON LOSE THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
SO WE COME FROM A COUNTRY
WHERE YOU COULDN'T SPEAK YET
WE STILL SPOKE SO NOW THAT WE'RE HERE,
I'M LIKE, MAN,
I'M GOING TO USE MY FREEDOM.
I'M GOING TO GO NUTS.
>> SO YOU GREW UP IN A HOME, THAT WAS
BELIEVING, PROFESSING JESUS?
>> YEAH, SHARE YOUR STORY WITH US.
>> SO WE'RE A CHRISTIAN FAMILY,
BORN AND RAISED IN EGYPT,
WHICH ARE THE MUSLIM NATION.
CHRISTIANS GET KILLED.
>> CONTROLLED BY THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, RIGHT?
>> THE GOVERNMENT IS MUSLIM, MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
TAKING OVER, CHURCHES GETTING BOMBED.
UH, CHRISTIANS ALWAYS GETTING BEHEADED.
IT WAS JUST NORMAL IN EGYPT FOR A CHURCH TO GET
BOMBED ON EASTER.
UM, IT'S VERY, VERY --
IT'S LITERALLY NORMAL.
EVERY EASTER, LIKE --
>> DIDN'T YOU SAY LIKE THE CHURCHES ARE
ALWAYS FULL, THOUGH.
>> THE CHURCH IS ALWAYS FULL.
>> EVERY EASTER THE CHURCH IS FULL,
EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE
THAT I WILL NEVER --
>> WOW, TALK ABOUT --
THAT'S SUCH A DIFFERENT WALK THAN
ANY OF US HAVE NOW.
>> SO DIFFERENT.
>> I WANT TO WAKE UP AND GO TO CHURCH.
>> WHICH COLOR DO I PICK OUT FOR THIS EASTER?
>> EXACTLY.
>> IN AUSTRALIA YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO
BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT COLD,
OR YOU'RE SNIFFLING.
THEY'RE GOING DESPITE THE FACT THEY MIGHT GET BOMBED.
>> I MIGHT GET BOMBED.
AND THAT'S, BY THE WAY, REAL CHRISTIANITY.
CHRIST DID NOT COME FOR YOU TO BE
A LUKEWARM CHRISTIAN,
COME TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY.
LAY YOUR WHOLE LIFE DOWN FOR HIM.
IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DIE FOR CHRIST,
CHRIST DIED FOR YOU.
LIKE THE THING IS, JESUS DID LAY HIS LIFE FOR YOU.
WHY ARE YOU NOT WILLING TO LAY YOUR LIFE DOWN FOR HIM?
AND THAT'S WHAT EGYPTIANS UNDERSTAND.
EGYPTIANS GET IT. CHRIST DIED FOR ME,
I'M NOT SCARED TO LOSE MY LIFE FOR CHRIST.
I'M NOT SCARED TO LOSE MY CHILDREN FOR CHRIST.
I'M NOT SCARED TO LOSE MY MARRIAGE,
MY WIFE FOR CHRIST.
I PRAY IT DOESN'T, BUT IF THAT'S THE CROSS
GOD WANTS ME TO CARRY, SO LET IT BE.
>> WELL, THE BIBLE SAYS FEAR THE ONE
THAT CAN THROW YOUR BODY IN HELL.
>> EXACTLY.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE ANTIDOTE TO THE FEAR OF MAN.
IT'S THE FEAR OF GOD.
>> AMEN.
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY,
I LIVE TO SERVE AND PLEASE GOD, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT SCARED
OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I'M SCARED OF
WHAT GOD THINKS. I WANT TO RUN THE RACE WELL,
AND HEAR, WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT,
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR, YOU WERE LUKEWARM,
THAT YOU WERE INCONSISTENT.
YOU WERE SCARED TO SPEAK THE TRUTH THAT YOU KNOW
SETS PEOPLE FREE.
>> WELL, GOD WOULD RATHER YOU BE COLD THAN LUKEWARM, RIGHT,
IN REVELATION, JESUS LITERALLY SAYS
I WISH YOU WERE HOT OR COLD.
BUT IT SAYS BECAUSE YOU ARE LUKEWARM,
I WILL SPIT YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH.
AND THAT'S WHAT CHRIST IS SAYING TO EVERY CHRISTIAN
THAT'S LUKEWARM LIVING IN THE MIDDLE, HALF IN THE WORLD
HALF IN CHRIST, HALF IN CHURCH, HALF IN THE CLUB.
GOD WAS SAYING I WOULD SPIT YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH.
I WOULD RATHER YOU ABANDON ME, DENY ME
AND LEAVE CHRISTIANITY THAN LIVE THIS MEDIOCRE
LUKEWARM CHRISTIANITY.
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT FOR --
IT'S NOT FOR HALF-HEARTED PEOPLE.
EITHER GIVE CHRIST EVERYTHING
OR DON'T GIVE HIM ANYTHING.
HE WOULD ACTUALLY RATHER THAT.
>> YEAH.
AND HE SAYS, TOO, HE SAYS,
MAKE SURE TO COUNT THE COST BEFORE YOU FOLLOW ME.
AND HE SAYS IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO LEAVE,
TALKING ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, MOTHER OR BROTHER, THAT VERSE.
I DON'T THINK IN AMERICA
WE COUNT THE COST AS MUCH, BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY
IS SO CULTURAL HERE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND SO WE BECAUSE YOU GREW UP IN AN AREA
WHERE THERE WAS SO MUCH PERSECUTION,
YOU HAD TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
>> YEAH.
>> WE HAVE TO TAKE JUST AS SERIOUSLY, BUT YOU HAVE TO
BE MORE CONSCIOUS ABOUT IT.
>> EXACTLY.
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING
FROM YOUR ENVIRONMENT.
>> YEAH.
AND YOU MIGHT HEAR, YOU MIGHT NOT LOSE YOUR HEAD
FOR BELIEVING IN JESUS, BUT YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT --
>> NOT YET.
>> YEAH, NOT YET. SO BE CAREFUL.
MAKE SURE ISLAM DOESN'T TAKE OVER
OR YOU WILL LOSE YOUR HEAD.
UM, BUT YOU GET -- YOU LOSE FOLLOWERS.
IF YOU PREACH THE TRUTH HERE, YOU MIGHT LOSE FOLLOWERS.
IF YOU PREACH THAT MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN
A MAN AND A WOMAN AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT --
IT'S ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE.
IF YOU PREACH THAT, YOU MIGHT GET HATED,
YOU MIGHT LOSE FOLLOWERS.
YOU MIGHT LOSE, YOU KNOW, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
BUT THAT'S YOUR CROSS TO CARRY, AND ARE YOU WILLING
TO LOSE FRIENDS FOR JESUS?
ARE YOU WILLING TO LOSE JOBS FOR JESUS?
YOUR FAMILY FOR JESUS?
WHATEVER THE COST IS FOR YOU, COUNT THE COSTS,
AND LAY YOUR LIFE DOWN FOR CHRIST.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU WON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT,
THAT'S WHEN YOU REALLY KNOW LIKE,
YOU'VE BEEN TESTED, YOU'RE LIKE,
OH, DO I CARE MORE ABOUT GOD OR DO I CARE
MORE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ME?
>> YEAH.
AND LIKE COMING FROM, LIKE AS PREACHERS,
WE SEE A LOT OF PREACHERS DILUTING THE GOSPEL,
REMOVING SCRIPTURES.
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY.
I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ABORTION
BECAUSE IF I DO TALK ABOUT THIS,
I WILL LOSE FOLLOWERS.
I'LL LOSE CHURCH MEMBERS, I'LL LOSE TITHERS.
AND I WANT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO STAY IN THE CHURCH.
AND ONE THING WE ALWAYS SAY IS THE GOAL
ISN'T TO GET PEOPLE INTO THE FOUR WALLS OF THE CHURCH.
THE GOAL IS TO GET PEOPLE INTO THE GATES OF HEAVEN.
THE GOAL IS TRUE SALVATION.
AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THAT BY PEOPLE REMOVING THE TRUTH
AND DILUTING THE GOSPEL AND AVOIDING THESE TOPICS,
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE TRUE REPENTANCE
AND TRUE SALVATION.
THEY MAY HAVE A FULL CHURCH.
THEY MAY HAVE LOTS OF MEMBERS, BUT I'M --
IT GRIEVES MY HEART TO REALIZE THERE ARE SO MANY
FALSE CONVERTS THINKING THAT THEY ARE SAVED
AND WE KNOW OF THIS BECAUSE JESUS SAID MANY WILL SAY,
LORD, LORD, DIDN'T WE DO ALL THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME.
DIDN'T WE PROPHESY, DIDN'T WE DO HEALING?
AND HE WILL SAY DEPART FROM ME,
I NEVER KNEW YOU.
SO THERE WILL BE MANY CHRISTIANS ON
THE DAY OF JUDGMENT THAT THINK THAT THEY ARE SAVED,
THAT THINK THEY KNOW GOD, BUT THEY WERE
DECEIVING THEMSELVES.
THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY EVER REPENT BECAUSE THEY WERE
WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
SO THEY HAD NEVER ACTUALLY GIVEN THEIR HEART.
AND THAT'S WHY, EVEN IF BY PREACHING THE FULL TRUTH
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT GET OFFENDED AND WALK AWAY,
THAT TO ME IS A WIN.
BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER YOU WALKING AWAY
KNOWING THAT YOU'VE REJECTED GOD,
AND AT LEAST YOU WILL NOT GET THE SHOCK OF YOUR LIFE
ON JUDGMENT DAY,
THAN YOU STAYING THINKING THAT YOU'RE SAVED
BUT YOU'RE NOT.
AND I THINK ABOUT JUDGMENT DAY A LOT.
>> I DO, TOO.
>> WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
>> WE DO TALK ABOUT IT A LOT.
>> AND HOW WE HANDLE OUR OWN LIVES.
I ALWAYS JUST THINK ABOUT LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE --
THANK GOD, BECAUSE WE ARE SAVED.
WE WON'T BE JUDGED BY YOUR SINS, BUT WE WILL BE
JUDGED BY WHAT WE DID,
WE DID NOT DO.
I DON'T WANT HIM TO LOOK AT ME AND BE LIKE,
WHY DID YOU DISOBEY ME?
YOU MISSED OUT ON THIS.
AND WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE TESTED ON OUR MOTIVATIONS.
>> YEAH.
>> AND SO WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING FOR HIM.
BUT I'M ON THE SAME BOAT.
IT'S LIKE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE FACING ETERNITY
AND NOT REALIZING WHAT THEY'RE WALKING INTO.
>> YEAH. YEAH.
LIKE I THINK OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT
HAVE BEEN IN CHURCHES ALL THEIR LIVES
WHO WILL HEAR THE CHILLING WORDS, DEPART FROM ME,
I NEVER KNEW YOU.
AND THAT'S WHY I PREACH ABOUT -- WE PREACH ABOUT
HELL A LOT.
>> THIS IS WHERE IT SCARES EVERYBODY.
>> BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT THE PEOPLE --
YOU KNOW, THOSE PREACHERS THAT ARE ONLY PREACHING ABOUT
THE NICE STUFF, THE LOVE, THE GRACE,
AND THEY WILL NEVER TELL YOU TO REPENT.
WHAT I REALIZED IS PEOPLE WHO LOVE THOSE PREACHERS NOW
ON THIS SIDE OF ETERNITY,
THEY MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, POPULAR AND
OH, MY FAVORITE GUEST PREACHER BECAUSE HE MAKES ME
FEEL SO GOOD.
I REALIZE THOUGH ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT,
THEY WILL BE THE MOST HATED PEOPLE IN THE PLANET.
>> YEAH.
>> BECAUSE THEY WILL -- THEY WILL HEAR, PEOPLE WILL SAY
YOU KNEW THE TRUTH.
YOU KNEW THAT HELL EXISTED,
AND YOU DIDN'T WARN ME ABOUT IT.
>> YOU MADE PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE
ON THEIR WAY TO HELL.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE SERIOUS THINGS YOU CAN DO.
>> I WOULD RATHER OFFEND YOU INTO HEAVEN
THAN AFFIRM YOU INTO HELL.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH.
OKAY. SO KEEP TELLING US ABOUT GROWING UP.
>> SO YOU DECIDE TO LEAVE EGYPT,
OR WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT WAS THE COMPELLING EVENT THAT YOU
AND YOUR FAMILY MOVED?
>> LOTS OF DEATH THREATS AGAINST OUR FAMILY.
>> WAIT, FIRST START WITH YOUR DAD.
SO YOUR DAD WAS RAISED ORTHODOX.
>> SO MY DAD WAS RAISED ORTHODOX.
>> ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN?
>> ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN. AT THE AGE OF THIRTY
HE WAS BORN AGAIN.
RADICALLY SAVED, ENCOUNTERED THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND GOD TOLD HIM LEAVE YOUR BUSINESS,
SELL YOUR BUSINESS AND BECOME A PREACHER.
>> WOW.
>>SO HE BECAME A FULL-TIME PREACHER AT THE AGE OF THIRTY.
STARTED TRAVELING EGYPT,
PREACHING THE TRUTH.
AND HIS MAIN MINISTRY WAS TO MUSLIMS.
MANY MUSLIMS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY
AND ACCORDING TO THE QURAN,
YOU CANNOT PREACH TO A MUSLIM.
IF YOU CONVERT A MUSLIM TO CHRISTIANITY THEY DIE
AND THE CHRISTIAN THAT CONVERTED THEM DIES.
SO MY DAD WAS LITERALLY RISKING HIS LIFE
AND HIS FAMILY.
>> HE SPENT TIME IN PRISON, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, MY DAD, MY DAD HAS BEEN TO PRISON.
THEY'VE TAKEN HIM --
>> YOU SHOULD MENTION LIKE WHAT DID THEY TEACH HIM
AND TRAIN HIM IN SEMINARY.
>> WELL, THE THING IS, IN EGYPT,
YOU KNOW, WHEN I CAME AND DID BIBLE COLLEGE IN AUSTRALIA,
THE FIRST LESSON THEY TAUGHT ME WAS
HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
HOW TO BE A PREACHER,
HOW TO HOLD A MICROPHONE.
IN EGYPT, WHEN YOU GO TO BE A PREACHER,
THE FIRST LESSON THEY TEACH YOU IS THIS:
THEY SAY IF YOU PREACH, DON'T FEAR.
AND IF YOU FEAR, DON'T PREACH.
THAT'S A FIRST LESSON.
>> I NEEDED THAT LESSON.
>> IT'S A GREAT LESSON.
IF YOU PREACH, DON'T FEAR,
AND IF YOU FEAR, DON'T PREACH.
IT'S NOT FOR YOU.
AND THIS IS WHY SO MANY PREACHERS IN THE WEST
ARE COWARDS AND SCARED BECAUSE THE FIRST LESSON
YOU TEACH THEM IS NOT HOW TO STAND UP FOR TRUTH
IT'S HOW TO HOLD A MICROPHONE.
THAT'S IMPORTANT HOW TO HOLD A MICROPHONE,
BUT THAT COMES AFTER YOU TRAIN THEM
THE FOUNDATION OF PREACHING WITH THE --
WHICH IS TO PREACH THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL,
NO MATTER THE COST.
SO MY DAD WAS PREACHING,
LOTS OF MUSLIMS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY,
GETTING BAPTIZED.
AND MY DAD CONVERTED, YOU KNOW,
A SPECIFIC LADY.
HER HUSBAND WAS THE LEADER OF A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD GROUP
AND MY DAD DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
THE HUSBAND FOUND OUT THAT MY DAD CONVERTED
HIS WIFE TO CHRISTIANITY AND HE'S FURIOUS,
HE IS VERY ANGRY.
HE WANTS TO TAKE REVENGE SO HIS PLAN WAS TO
LITERALLY KIDNAP MY BROTHERS AND AT THE AGE
OF FIVE AND NINE KIDNAP MY BROTHERS, BEHEAD THEM,
PUT THEM IN A BAG,
SEND IT TO THE FRONT DOOR OF MY DAD, MY DAD'S HOUSE,
TO TEACH HIM A LESSON, DON'T PREACH JESUS AGAIN.
THAT'S HOW MUSLIMS DO IT.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE REVENGE.
THEY'LL KILL YOUR WIFE, THEY'LL KILL YOUR KIDS.
THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
SO THAT WAS THEIR PLAN.
THEY STUDIED MY BROTHERS' MOVEMENTS.
AT 7 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING,
THEY KNEW MY BROTHERS CATCH THE BUS TO SCHOOL.
SO TWO MEN IN A VAN WALK UP TO THE BUS STOP
AND AS THEY GO TO GET OUT OF THE VAN,
THEY FEEL FROZEN IN THE VAN.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY'RE LIKE I CAN'T MOVE.
WHAT'S GOING ON?
MY BROTHERS GET ON THE BUS, THE BUS LEAVES
AND THEY UNFREEZE AGAIN.
NOW THESE TWO MEN ARE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER,
THEY'RE LIKE, YOU COWARD.
YOU COULDN'T GET THIS FIVE-YEAR-OLD.
YOU COULDN'T GET THIS NINE-YEAR-OLD.
YOU COWARD. THESE GUYS ARE PROFESSIONAL KILLERS.
UM, SO THE NEXT DAY THE BOSS,
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD LEADER,
SENDS TWO BIGGER MEN TO KIDNAP MY BROTHERS.
IT'S LIKE YOU GUYS CAN'T DO IT, I'LL GET SOMEONE ELSE.
THESE TWO MEN GO THE SAME TIME,
7 A.M. TO THE BUS STOP.
THEY GET OUT OF THE VAN.
THIS TIME THEY'RE RIGHT BEHIND MY BROTHERS.
AS THEY'RE ABOUT TO KIDNAP MY BROTHERS,
UM, THEY FEEL A SUPERNATURAL HAND
TIE THEIR HANDS BEHIND HER BACK.
SO THEY'RE LITERALLY GOING IN TO KIDNAP MY BROTHERS,
FIVE AND NINE YEARS OLD,
AND THEY FEEL A HAND TIE THEIR HANDS
BEHIND THEIR BACK.
AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
MY BROTHERS GET ON THE SCHOOL BUS.
THE SCHOOL BUS GOES AND THEY UNFREEZE AGAIN.
THEY GO TO TELL THE LEADER WHAT HAPPENED AND THAT
LEADER GOES TO MY DAD'S HOUSE.
HE KNOCKS ON THE DOOR.
MY DAD OPENS LIKE WHAT'S THIS GUY DOING HERE?
AND HE SITS DOWN WITH HIM.
HE TELLS HIM THE STORY AND HE SAYS,
I TRIED TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN,
BUT YOUR GOD PROTECTED THEM.
AND THIS MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD LEADER BECAME A CHRISTIAN.
HE WAS BAPTIZED.
SO WE GREW UP IN A,
WE GREW UP IN A FAMILY WHERE MY DAD AND FAMILY
DECIDED TO PREACH A TRUTH,
EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW WE MIGHT DIE.
AND WHAT I REALLY LEARNT IS IF GOD IS FOR YOU,
NO ONE CAN BE AGAINST YOU.
WHAT WE REALLY LEARNED IS THE ONLY PERSON THAT
HAS THE POWER OVER MY LIFE IS JESUS.
IF GOD WANTS ME TO DIE, I'M GONNA DIE
WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,
A SICKNESS, CANCER.
IF GOD WANTS ME TO DIE, I'M GONNA DIE.
BUT UNTIL GOD SAYS YOUR TIME IS OVER
MY TIME IS NOT OVER.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO NOT BE AFRAID
AS MILLIE SAID THAT VERSE BEFORE,
DO NOT FEAR MEN WHO CAN KILL BODY,
BUT RATHER FEAR GOD WHO CAN CHUCK BOTH BODY AND SOUL
INTO HELL.
ARABIC PREACHERS, WE FEAR GOD ABOVE MEN.
WE FEAR THE LORD WHO CAN CHUCK YOU IN HELL,
NOT THE MAN WHO CAN KILL YOUR BODY.
>> OH, THAT'S SO GOOD.
I THINK FOR ME,
IT GIVES ME SUCH REASSURANCE AND SUCH FAITH
THAT IF YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE,
GOD IS GOING TO PROTECT YOU.
>> EXACTLY.
>> BUT THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE IS IN THE WILL OF GOD.
AND WE JUST HAVE TO FULLY TRUST OUR LIVES TO HIM
AND JUST KNOW THAT LIKE THIS LIFE IS NOT --
IT'S JUST A SHORT STEPPINGSTONE INTO ETERNITY.
SO WE CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED OR THINK
THAT WE'RE ENTITLED TO ANYTHING.
WE JUST HAVE TO LIVE COMPLETELY SUBMITTED TO HIM.
>> YEAH. YOU SHOULDN'T FEAR ANYTHING AS CHRISTIANS.
THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO FEAR.
WE SHOULDN'T FEAR MAN'S OPINION BECAUSE AT
THE END OF THE DAY,
WE HAVE SUCH A SHORT LIFE ON EARTH.
>> SO HOW DOES IT NOT BOTHER Y'ALL?
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, HOW DOES IT NOT GET TO YOU,
ALL THE HATE?
>> IT'S THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE ARE SAYING,
THE TRUTH THAT WE SPEAK IS WHAT SETS PEOPLE FREE.
SO I LOVE PEOPLE ENOUGH TO SAY IT IN SPITE.
IF I WAS -- IF I WAS DOUBTFUL ABOUT WHAT I WAS SAYING,
ABOUT WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, THEN MAYBE THE VOICE
LIKE THE HATERS WOULD GET TO ME, BUT I TRUST THAT
WHAT I'M SAYING IS GOD'S WORD.
AND I DON'T CARE, LIKE I LOVE YOU ENOUGH
TO TELL SOMEBODY THE TRUTH, EVEN IF YOU
HATE ME FOR IT.
>> AND REMEMBER, JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED, LIKE
THE LEAST I COULD DO FOR CHRIST IS GET SOME HATE, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
>> JESUS SAID IF THEY HATED ME, HOW MUCH MORE
WOULD THEY HATE YOU?
>> YEAH.
>> SO IF THEY DON'T HATE YOU,
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.
IF THE PEOPLE THAT HATED JESUS
DON'T HATE YOU,
THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG.
AREN'T YOU MEANT TO WALK LIKE CHRIST,
TALK LIKE CHRIST?
PAUL LITERALLY SAYS FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST.
MY GOAL IS TO FOLLOW CHRIST.
YOU KNOW HOW YOU FOLLOW CHRIST, PEOPLE SAY YOU
FOLLOW CHRIST INTO PROSPERITY.
NO, CHRIST DIDN'T WALK INTO PROSPERITY.
AND THERE IS PROSPERITY IN CHRISTIANITY.
I BELIEVE IN BLESSING.
CHRIST, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WALK AFTER HIM,
HE'LL LEAD YOU UP THE MOUNTAIN OF GOLGOTHA
TO A CROSS WHERE YOU DIE.
THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT FOLLOWING CHRIST MEANS.
SO I'M OVER MYSELF.
THE THING IS, WHAT I'LL TELL CHRISTIANS IS
MARTIN HAS DIED TEN YEARS AGO.
THE MOMENT I GOT SAVED, I DIED.
IT IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE,
BUT CHRIST WHO LIVES IN ME, WHICH MEANS IF I DIE,
IF I GET HATED, IF I LOSE A JOB, IF I LOSE FOLLOWERS,
I'M ALREADY DEAD.
MY LIFE HAS BEEN DEVOTED TO CHRIST,
SO BE IT.
>> SO DID YOU GET SAVED IN EGYPT --
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
>> OR IN AUSTRALIA?
>> SO GREW UP IN A CHRISTIAN FAMILY,
BUT WHEN -- I RADICALLY ENCOUNTERED GOD
WHEN I WAS TWELVE.
>> WHAT HAPPENED?
>> I WAS AT A CHRISTIAN CAMP.
>> IN EGYPT.
>> NO, THIS IN AUSTRALIA.
SO I WOULD SAY I ALWAYS GREW UP A CHRISTIAN.
BUT WHEN I REALLY ENCOUNTERED GOD AND SAY IT
WAS MY PERSONAL DECISION, WAS AT THE AGE OF 12.
I WAS AT A CAMP.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
I GUESS IN WORSHIP, YOU KNOW, THAT MOMENT
WHEN WE ENCOUNTER THE PRESENCE OF GOD.
I ENCOUNTERED HIM AND I WENT ON MY KNEES
AND I SAID, LORD, I GIVE YOU MY LIFE.
I GIVE YOU EVERYTHING AND I'VE NEVER LOOKED BACK.
THE WORLD BEHIND ME, THE CROSS BEFORE ME.
SO AT THE AGE OF 12, YOU --
>> YEAH.
>> AT THE AGE OF EIGHT.
>> YEAH, YEAH. SIMILAR.
I GREW UP IN A HOUSE OF GOD.
MY PARENTS ARE AMAZING, FAITHFUL BELIEVERS AND
PRAYER WARRIORS AND I GREW UP IN GOD'S HOUSE.
AND, YEAH, IT WAS REALLY THE AGE OF EIGHT WHEN I WAS
JUST IN KIDS MINISTRY IN THE MIDDLE OF WORSHIP,
JUST FELL UNDER GOD'S PRESENCE STARTED SPEAKING IN TONGUES
AND JUST ENCOUNTERED THE HOLY SPIRIT,
AND I'VE NEVER LOOKED BACK.
AND REALLY I'M A TESTIMONY OF PARENTS WHO TRAINED ME UP
IN THE WAYS OF THE LORD.
SO THAT AS I GREW OLDER, I DIDN'T DEPART.
AND THEY EXPLAINED TO ME THE WHY BEHIND -- THIS IS
WHY WE DON'T WATCH THESE MOVIES.
THIS IS WHY WE DON'T LISTEN TO THIS MUSIC.
THIS IS WHY WE PRAY.
THIS IS WHY WE GO TO CHURCH EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HEARING THIS,
BUT I HEAR A LOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THESE DAYS
THAT YOU SHOULDN'T FORCE
CHRISTIANITY ONTO YOUR CHILDREN, LIKE LET THEM
DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BELIEVE.
WE LIVE IN THE ERA OF GENTLE PARENTING.
WE LIVE IN THE ERA OF, YOU KNOW YOUR KIDS SAYS
I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M IN A CHURCH ANYMORE
WHEN THEY'RE YOUNG,
I'M TALKING YOUNG KIDS AND THE PARENT'S LIKE,
OH, YEAH, THAT'S YOU MAKE A DECISION.
I DON'T WANT TO FORCE --
I DON'T WANT TO TURN YOU AWAY.
AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT MY PARENTS
SAID AS FOR ME,
NOT JUST AS FOR ME, AND MY HOUSE,
WE WILL SERVE THE LORD.
BECAUSE A LOT OF PARENTS,
MY FEAR IS THAT THEY SAY AS FOR ME,
THIS IS MY WALK,
AND THEY'VE EXPERIENCED THE MERCY
AND GRACE OF GOD, AND THEN NOT PASSING IT DOWN
TO THEIR CHILDREN FOR FEAR OF TURNING THEM AWAY.
BUT I THINK OF PSALM 127, SAYS THAT CHILDREN
ARE A GIFT FROM THE LORD.
AND THEY ARE LIKE ARROWS IN THE HANDS OF A WARRIOR.
AND TO SAY THAT I'M JUST GOING TO LET MY KID
DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE FOR THEMSELVES,
I SEE THAT AS RECKLESS AS SHOOTING ARROWS AIMLESSLY
AND HOPING IT LANDS ON THE TARGET.
>> AND IT'S ALSO GOING AGAINST THE BIBLE BECAUSE
THE BIBLE TELLS US TO TRAIN THEM UP IN THE WAY
THEY SHOULD GO SO THEY DON'T DEPART, AND SO IF
YOU'RE NOT TRAINING THEM UP,
THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE A PATH.
>> EXACTLY. YEAH.
>> YOU HELP THEM.
>> IF YOU DON'T DISCIPLE YOUR CHILDREN, THE WORLD WILL.
I HAVE A COMPLETELY OPPOSITE VIEW.
I FEEL LIKE I DON'T -- I DON'T PUT ANY ROLE
ON THE CHURCH.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE IN CHURCH,
BUT I SAY --
>> YEAH, WE FOCUS ON --
>> IT'S 100 PERCENT MY JOB BECAUSE HOW DO YOU --
HOW DOES A DOG DIE AND HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE
TAKE CARE OF IT?
SO IF YOU'RE THINKING,
OH, THE CHURCH WILL DISCIPLE MY KID, NO.
>> AND WE'RE NOT EVEN IN THE CHILDREN'S CHURCH SERVICES.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TEACHING.
I MEAN WHEN WE GO TO --
>> WE GO TO A GREAT CHURCH.
>> WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOOD, SOUND DOCTRINE.
>> NO, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
>> IT'S THE PARENTS.
>> IT'S OUR JOB TO GUARD THEM.
IT'S OUR JOB TO TEACH THEM.
IT'S OUR JOB.
AND ALSO THE BEST TIME IS THE YOUNGER THEY ARE.
THEY ARE THE MOST OPEN SPIRITUALLY.
>> YEAH.
>> OH, AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT ANYTHING, AND TRULY.
I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO
UNDERSTAND HARDER SPIRITUAL SUBJECTS
AT A YOUNG AGE
BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE OPEN.
>> SO TRUE.
>> AS THEY GET OLDER I THINK IT'S HARDER FOR THEM.
SO I THINK THE BEST TIME IS YOUNG.
>> AND I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LIKE
INVITE THE KIDS INTO YOUR
PERSONAL ENCOUNTERS.
LIKE MY FAVORITE THING IS TO
SEE LIKE WHEN REBECCA IS OUT ON THE SWING
HAVING A QUIET TIME WITH THE LORD AND LIKE THE KIDS
WILL BE ON HER LAP OR LIKE, YOU KNOW,
NEXT TO HER DURING THE WORSHIP TIME
AND THEY LOVE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE FEELING GOD'S PRESENCE.
THEY'RE SEEING MOM CONNECT WITH THE LORD
AND THAT IS AN IMPRINT THAT WILL LAST LIKE YOU SAID
A LIFETIME.
ALL OF US ACTUALLY WERE RAISED IN
CHRISTIAN HOMES, HAD DIFFERENT JOURNEYS
OF WHEN WE HAD SURRENDER MOMENTS.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU COULD PUT THAT IMPRINT IN CHILDREN
AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
>> YEAH.
>> IT'S CRAZY, YOU KNOW 2 TIMOTHY 3 SAYS
IN THE LAST DAYS CHILDREN WILL BE
REBELLIOUS TO THEIR PARENTS WHICH IS VERY NTERESTING
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE LAST DAYS,
EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT REVELATION AND WAR AND RUMORS.
NOT ONE OF THEM. IS THAT THE KIDS WILL BE REBELLIOUS,
REBELLIOUS TO THEIR CHILDREN
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE FLIPPED THE ROLE
THAT THE MAN IS NO LONGER THE COMMANDER OF THE HOUSE,
BUT THE CHILD IS A COMMANDER OF THE HOUSE.
THE CHILD WANTS, YOU KNOW I WANT TO WATCH THAT MOVIE,
I WANT TO GO THERE.
I WANT TO GET A PHONE.
I WANT TO GET TIKTOK, BUT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
FATHERS ARE THE COMMANDERS OF THE HOUSE,
MOTHERS ARE THE TEACHERS OF THE HOUSE
AND CHILDREN OBEY.
FATHERS COMMAND, MOTHERS TEACH, CHILDREN OBEY.
BUT NOW WE'VE FLIPPED IT THAT THE PARENTS OBEY THE KID.
THE KID GETS TO DECIDE, AND THAT'S WHY, BY THE WAY,
WE HAVE SO MANY CHRISTIAN PARENTS LOSING THEIR KID.
THEIR KID IS COMING OUT GAY.
THEIR KID IS LEAVING GOD.
THEIR KID IS NOW IN DRUGS AND IN THE CLUB.
WE NEED TO TRAIN THEM YOUNG BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T,
YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THEM.
>> YEAH.
AND YOU NEED BOTH APPROACHES.
YOU NEED TO PROTECT THEM.
AND THEN YOU ALSO NEED TO DISCIPLE AND POUR INTO THEM.
BECAUSE SOME PARENTS ONLY PROTECT, BUT THEY
DON'T TEACH THEM HOW TO HAVE FAITH OR HAVE
THEIR OWN RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND THEN THEY JUST GET
INTO THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE
I'VE BEEN RESTRICTED FROM THIS, BUT YOU LIKE
HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.
IT'S LIKE ONCE YOU TASTE GOD,
USUALLY YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PRODIGAL SITUATIONS
AND THEY CAN COME BACK.
>> OF COURSE.
>> BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE DISCOURAGED
BUT I HAVE SEEN PARENTS MAKE THAT MISTAKE.
I'VE SEEN THE MISTAKE OF JUST THINKING THE CHURCH
WILL TEACH THEIR KIDS.
OR IF I JUST PUT THEM IN A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL,
AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THE HOME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
>> IT'S NOT EVEN THAT YOU JUST DON'T EVEN
WANT THE OTHER THINGS,
IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU CAN FEEL REPULSED BY THEM
BECAUSE LIKE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO US.
IF WE'RE JUST WATCHING SOMETHING AND THEN WE
IMMEDIATELY FEEL LIKE IT'S GRIEVING OUR SPIRIT,
YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE WITH IT ANYMORE.
AND YOU KNOW.
THAT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDING YOU.
>> BECAUSE YOU'VE GROWN UP AROUND GOD'S SPIRIT
SO YOU CAN DISCERN WHAT IS NOT OF HIS SPIRIT
AS YOU GROW UP.
>> YEAH. AND NOT ONLY THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
REPENTANCE AND I'M LIKE REPENTANCE GETS SUCH
A BAD REP.
I LOVE REPENTANCE.
IT GETS ME BACK TO GOD AND AWAY FROM THIS,
AND HIS BLOOD IS MORE POWERFUL THAN ANYTHING.
>> WELL, THE WORD IN HEBREW FOR IT IS TURNING,
AND SO YOU LITERALLY ARE TURNING AWAY
BACK TO THE LORD.
>> EXACTLY.
>> YEAH.
IT'S SUCH A GREAT WORD.
I'M LIKE WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE ON THAT WORD?
THAT WORD IS AMAZING.
I REPENT ALL THE TIME.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE SENSITIVE TO THE HOLY SPIRIT
AND YOU'RE BEING LED BY HIS SPIRIT
AND YOU WANT TO STAY CLOSE TO HIM,
YOU'RE GOING TO FIND YOURSELF REPENTING BECAUSE
YOU WANT TO STAY CLOSE TO HIM.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU'RE 12 YEARS OLD. YOU SURRENDER TO THE LORD.
>> WAIT, WE'VE GOT TO GET HIM OUT OF EGYPT.
>> NO, HE'S ALREADY OUT.
>> NO, HE'S NOT.
>> I'M ON THE PLANE NOW.
>> HE HAD HIS SURRENDER MOMENT IN AUSTRALIA.
>> I KNOW BUT WE JUMPED OVER.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
>> THERE'S LIKE THIS WHOLE GOOD STORY OF THEM
ESCAPING AND WE DIDN'T TELL IT.
>> OH, YOU ESCAPE.
>> OH, YEAH.
OKAY.
SO MY DAD, MY DAD CALLS MY MOM.
MY DAD CALLS MY MOM, HE'S PREACHING IN AUSTRALIA
AND HE SAYS
HEY, YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF EGYPT.
IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.
WE'RE GETTING TOO MUCH DEATH THREATS, OUR HOUSE
ADDRESS WAS PUBLISHED IN A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD NEWSPAPER.
IT'S TOO DANGEROUS.
>> CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
THEY'RE SAYING GO AFTER THESE PEOPLE.
>> THERE'S LIKE A BOUNTY ON OUR HEADS.
SO MY DAD CALLS MY MOM AND SAYS,
GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
UM NEXT WEEK, OUR BAG IS PACKED.
UM, OUR BAG IS PACKED.
WE LEAVE THE HOUSE.
MY MOM DOESN'T EVEN SAY BYE TO HER GRANDPARENTS.
MY DAD HASN'T SEEN HIS GRANDPARENTS.
HE'S IN AUSTRALIA RIGHT NOW.
WE BUY A BUNCH OF INSTRUMENTS BECAUSE IF
THE BORDER, THE BORDER FORCE FOUND OUT THAT
YOU WERE A CHRISTIAN FAMILY IN YOUR PASSPORT,
THEY WOULD ASK YOU WHY YOU'RE LEAVING
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KNOW, ARE YOU TRYING TO
ESCAPE THE COUNTRY.
ARE YOU TRYING TO -- ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK?
SO MY MOM'S STRATEGY WAS TO BUY A BUNCH OF INSTRUMENTS
AND ON THE BORDER TO TELL, IF THEY ASK YOU
WHAT YOU ARE DOING OVERSEAS,
WE'LL SAY, OH, WE'RE JUST GOING TO A MUSICAL
AND WERE COMING BACK.
SO I HAD A PIANO.
MY BROTHER HAD A GUITAR AND WE HAD TO FAKE THIS IDEA
THAT WE COULD PLAY INSTRUMENTS.
>> AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY.
>> I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY.
IF THEY ASK US, GOOD LUCK.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT ON THE SPOT.
>> YEAH, I'M LIKE, YEAH.
>> CHOPSTICKS.
>> YEAH.
THE HOLY SPIRIT WOULD HAVE HAD TO REALLY TEACH ME
HOW TO DO THAT.
>> WE GET -- SO PRETTY MUCH,
WE GET THROUGH THE BORDER AND WE'RE IN THAILAND NOW.
WE'RE LIVING IN THAILAND FOR ABOUT
SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
>> AND THE MOM DIDN'T EVEN TELL THEM THAT THEY WERE LEAVING.
SHE SAID WE'RE GOING ON A HOLIDAY.
>> YEAH.
BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T TELL US BECAUSE US KIDS WERE IDIOTS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE AT AN AIRPORT.
SO SHE'S LIKE, WE'RE JUST GOING ON HOLIDAY.
I'M LIKE, OH, AMAZING, HOLIDAY IN THAILAND.
THIS IS AMAZING.
I'M LIKE, WHEN ARE WE GOING BACK? SHE'S LIKE, WE'RE NOT.
I'M LIKE, OH.
SO I'M NOT SEEING MY FRIENDS ANYMORE, AND WE
HAVEN'T BEEN BACK FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS, BUT GOD
REALLY TOOK OUR STORY FROM REALLY REFUGEES TO REVIVAL,
REFUGEES TO REFORMERS.
GOD TURNED OUR STORY UPSIDE DOWN
FOR HIS GLORY SO PRAISE GOD FOR THAT.
>> YEAH. AND SO THEY WERE LIKE NINE MONTHS
IN THAILAND.
THEY GOT THEIR VISA OR THEIR REFUGEES --
>> REFUGEE, YEAH.
>> ACCEPTED AND THEN HE WENT TO AUSTRALIA.
>> WE CAME LEGALLY.
WE DIDN'T COME ILLEGALLY.
>> AND THEN THEY MET AT THIRTEEN.
>> HOLD ON, I WANT TO HEAR THEM TELL IT.
SO YOU GUYS --
>> I WAS OVER HERE TELLING THEIR STORY LIKE
WHY ARE THEY TELLING OUR STORY?
>> I LIKE HEARING IT FROM YOU.
>> DON'T WORRY, GUYS.
JUST SIT BACK AND RELAX.
>> HOW DID YOU ALL MEET AT 13?
WHERE WHERE YOU, WAS IT AT CHURCH?
>> YEAH.
SO IT WAS AT A CHURCH CONFERENCE AND MARTIN WAS
PREACHING AT THIRTEEN LIKE THIS BOLD
FIERY PREACHER STRAIGHT OUT OF EGYPT.
EXACTLY HOW HE PREACHES TODAY.
NO FEAR.
NO SHAME.
HE WAS PREACHING ABOUT HOW HE'D STARTED LIKE A
LUNCHTIME GROUP AT HIS SCHOOL AND WAS SEEING
HUNDREDS OF KIDS COME AND GET SAVED IN SCHOOL.
ANYWAY, SO I WAS LIKE --
>> YEAH, THIS IS MY GUY.
>> THIS IS MY GUY, YEAH.
>> I OPENED HER BIBLE BEFORE BECAUSE IF
YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT A WOMAN, JUST CHECK OUT HER BIBLE.
IS THERE HIGHLIGHTS? IS SHE ACTUALLY READING?
>> AND WHAT IS SHE HIGHLIGHTING?
>> YEAH, WHAT IS SHE HIGHLIGHTING,
NOT JUST PROVERBS 31, I HOPE IT'S OTHER STUFF.
>> YOU KNOW SHE LOVES FOR THAT FEAR OF THE FUTURE.
I'M LIKE THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN IT.
I SAW ALL THE RAINBOW GAY COLORS IN HER BIBLE
AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S MY LADY,
NOT GAY-GAY LIKE, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN EVERY VERSE WAS HIGHLIGHTED.
SHE WAS HIGHLIGHTING A LOT, NOT IN A GAY WAY,
AND IN A I LOVE THE BIBLE WAY AND IT'S LIKE,
YEAH, THAT'S MY GIRL.
AND YEAH, AT THE AGE OF 18 I WAS LIKE
HEY, LET'S GET READY TO GET MARRIED.
AND I THINK I TOOK YOU ON A BOAT.
>> YEAH.
>> I TOOK HER ON A BOAT.
>> IT WAS VERY ROMANTIC.
>> IF SHE SAID NO TO ME,
I WOULD HAVE FLIPPED THE BOAT.
BUT SHE COULDN'T.
>> HE HAD ABOUT TWENTY MINUTES TO GET BACK TO SHORE.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY NO TO AN EGYPTIAN,
I WOULD HAVE FLIPPED THE BOAT.
>> I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
SO I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE SURE YOU WANT TO SAY NO?
NO, SHE SAID YES.
>> SO THEY WAITED, YOU GUYS WAITED
BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DATE.
>> THEY WERE SO YOUNG.
>> YEAH. I WASN'T ALLOWED TO DATE UNTIL 18.
AND HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK --
>> ELIANA IS NEVER GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DATE.
THAT'S MY DAUGHTER, SHE'S ONE YEAR OLD.
>> HE'S ALREADY SAYING YOU CAN'T DATE UNTIL YOU'RE 18.
>> 18 IS A GOOD AGE.
>> YEAH, IT'S A GOOD AGE.
>> YEAH, IT WAS GOOD.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT ANYWAY,
WE REALLY UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE WE HAD
NEVER BEEN WITH ANYBODY ELSE AND WE BOTH FELT THE
REAL CALL OF MINISTRY ON OUR LIVES.
WE WEREN'T THERE TO WASTE -- LIKE I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A
FUN TIME AND JUST WASTE TIME LIKE I WASN'T JUST
THERE TO, YOU KNOW,
GET MY HEART BROKEN, HAVE SOME FUN.
COMMIT SEXUAL SIN. THAT WASN'T THE GOAL.
>> YOU'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY AND YOUR GOAL IS MARRIAGE.
>> IT WAS REALLY SERIOUS, YEAH.
I JUST WAS LOOKING FOR A HUSBAND TO BE ABLE
TO COME ALONGSIDE, SUPPORT AND DO MINISTRY WITH.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAD A VISION FOR THE CALL
OF GOD IN YOUR LIFE IN MINISTRY
AND SO TELL ABOUT THE CONVERSATION HE HAD WITH YOU.
>> YEAH.
WELL, THIS WAS THE NUMBER ONE,
UM, LIKE FACTOR FOR ME GROWING UP.
IF I WOULD ASK A GUY IF HE WAS INTERESTED, I'D BE LIKE
DO YOU WANT TO DO MINISTRY? NO.
OKAY. SORRY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT
THAT WAS JUST FOR ME AND MY GOAL.
SO ANY TIME LIKE A GIRLFRIEND OF MINE
WOULD TELL ME ABOUT A GUY.
I WAS LIKE BUT DOES HE WANT TO DO MINISTRY,
AND I WAS SO NAIVE.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WAS JUST FOR ME.
>> YEAH.
>> BUT, UM, YEAH.
AND SO WHEN I MET HIM AND I HEARD ABOUT HIM,
REALLY ON OUR, ON OUR FIRST DATE.
>> I SAID TO HER, YEAH,
I GOT HER A GIFT AND I WAS ROMANTIC AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I GOT DOWN TO THE POINT.
I WAS LIKE, LOOK,
GOD'S CALLED ME TO BE A PREACHER.
WE'RE GOING TO DO MINISTRY.
UH, WE MIGHT BE POOR,
WE MIGHT BE RICH.
WE MIGHT OWN A HOUSE,
WE MIGHT NOT OWN A HOUSE.
WE MIGHT BE IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY --
>> HE SAID IF I END UP IN INDIA --
>> INDIA, PAKIST N, BRAZIL.
BORA BORA.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO,
BUT WHATEVER GOD SAYS TO ME,
I'M GOING TO GO.
ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT?
BECAUSE IF SHE SAID NO, IT'S A NO.
SHE'LL SAY NO TO THE CALL OF GOD ON MY LIFE.
SHE SAID YES, I'M READY.
I WAS LIKE ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GO.
WE GOT OUR VALUES --
>> YOU SAID EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED.
>> OUR VALUES ALIGNED.
>> FINALLY.
>> I WAS LIKE YES, SOMEBODY ELSE IS AS CRAZY AS I AM.
AND JUST WANTS TO DO WHATEVER GOD WANTS FOR US.
>> MOST YOUNG PEOPLE NOW, THEY ONLY DATE
BECAUSE OF ROMANCE.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU GET MARRIED FOR TWO YEARS
THE EMOTIONS --
>> THAT BURNS AWAY.
>> WELL, THAT BURNS AWAY THE EMOTIONS, BUTTERFLIES
ARE GONE.
AND WHAT'S LEFT IS YOUR VALUES, DO THEY ALIGN
WITH YOUR THEOLOGY?
DO THEY ALIGN YOUR MISSION AND CALLING, DO THY ALIGN?
AND IF THEY DON'T, YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO STRUGGLE.
YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO STRUGGLE.
>> AND THAT'S WHY THE CALCULATION HAS TO BE DONE
BEFORE YOU PUT A RING ON HER FINGER?
>> YEAH, THAT WAS LIKE OUR CONVERSATIONS VERY EARLY ON.
IT WAS ALL THEOLOGY VALUES.
VERY MUCH LIKE STRAIGHT TO THE POINT
BECAUSE WE STARTED TALKING LATER IN LIFE.
>> YEAH.
>> BUT WE DATEDLONG DISTANCE SO ALL WE COULD DO IS TALK,
TALK FOR HOURS.
SO WE WE GOT TO IT.
AND HE WAS JUST AS STRAIGHT.
I FEEL LIKE SO MANY GUYS AREN'T VERY HONEST THERE.
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE GIRL AND HE WAS LIKE,
HE WAS JUST HONEST RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
HE WAS JUST TRYING TO IMPRESS ME AND SO I REALLY
FEEL LIKE IT HELPED OUR RELATIONSHIP.
IT'S VERY STRANGE
THE WORLD OF DATING THESE DAYS.
>> I'M A LITTLE TOO HONEST NOW TO THIS DAY.
>> NO, I LOVE IT.
I NEED, I VALUE HONESTY.
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T HONEST.
>> WE NEED, WE NEED MASCULINE MEN, BY THE WAY.
>> THAT'S WHAT ATTRACTED ME TO HIM.
>> LOOK AT HIS ARMS.
>> YEAH.
>> I NEED TO GO TO THE GYM NOW.
WE LIVE IN A TIME NOW
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE MEN ARE SO FEMINIZED, YOU KNOW?
THEY'RE SO EFFEMINATE AND GAY.
I'M LIKE, LIKE,
MEN MAKEUP.
I ONLY PUT MAKEUP TODAY FOR TV,
BUT APART FROM THAT I'M NOT WEARING MAKEUP, YOU KNOW.
NAIL POLISH AND ALL THESE STUFF.
I'M LIKE MAN, YOU ARE SO GAY AND MY DAUGHTER WILL
NEVER TALK TO YOU.
MY DAUGHTER NEEDS TO MARRY A MAN
WHO IS MASCULINE,
WHO IS BOLD,
WHO IS COURAGEOUS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A SIXPACK.
BUT YOU BETTER BE MASCULINE COURAGEOUS, UM,
AND NOT BE A COWARD.
>> PROTECT YOUR FAMILY.
>> JOSHUA LITERALLY SAID AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE,
WE WILL SERVE THE LORD.
HOW MANY MEN CAN SAY THAT TODAY?
IF YOUR BOYFRIEND
CAN'T SAY AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE,
WE WILL SERVE THE LORD, BREAK UP WITH HIM.
IF YOUR BOYFRIEND CAN'T LEAD YOU IN THE
WAYS OF THE LORD, BREAK UP WITH HIM.
IF YOUR BOYFRIEND DOESN'T GO TO CHURCH,
BREAK UP WITH HIM.
IF YOUR BOYFRIEND WANTS TO SLEEP WITH
YOU BEFORE YOU'RE MARRIED,
BREAK UP WITH HIM.
YOU NEED A MAN WHO WILL LEAD YOU ON THE WAYS OF
THE LORD AND NOT BE A GAY,
EFFEMINATE GUY ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE
TO TAKE HIM TO CHURCH.
HOW MANY WIVES TODAY
THEY NEED TO MAKE THEIR HUSBAND UP, HONEY,
LET'S GO TO CHURCH.
I'M LIKE BRO,
YOU'RE THE MAN OF THE HOUSE.
YOU LEAD HER TO CHURCH.
HONEY, LET'S READ THE BIBLE.
NO, YOU READ THE BIBLE FOR HER.
SO THIS IS REALLY MASSIVE FOR YOUNG GIRLS.
IT'S TOO MARRY --
DON'T DATE A GUY BECAUSE HE'S JUST
GOOD LOOKING, OBVIOUSLY, LOOKS ARE A PART OF IT.
UM, SHE GOT YOU FOR THE ARMS, YOU KNOW.
>> I BUILT THESE OVER TIME.
>> YEAH, YOU BUILT THOSE ARMS,
THAT'S GOOD.
WHAT ARE YOU TAKING, MAN?
NO.
SO YOU OBVIOUSLY, YOU GOT TO BE ATTRACTED TO YOUR WIFE,
YOU GOT TO BE ATTRACTED TO YOUR HUSBAND.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE ONLY THING OF HOW --
THAT'S NOT THE ONLY REASON YOU MARRY SOMEONE.
THERE'S -- IT'S SO MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.
>> AND A LOT OF WOMEN FEAR THE IDEA OF
SUBMISSION AND THE HEAD OF THE HOME AND THE HIERARCHY
THAT IS ALL THIS BIBLICAL STUFF.
BUT THE REAL THE REALIZATION I HAD IS,
YOU KNOW, SUBMISSION IS ONLY SCARY IF YOU'RE NOT
MARRIED TO A LEADER.
BUT IF YOU'RE MARRIED TO A
LEADER WHO'S NUMBER ONE IN SUBMISSION TO GOD,
SO THAT'S MY SECURITY.
I KNOW THAT MARTIN IS A MAN WHO FOLLOWS AFTER GOD AND HE
LISTENS TO THE PROMPTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND ANYTIME HE MIGHT GO WAYWARD,
I KNOW THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL CONVICT HIM AND HE
LISTENS BECAUSE HE'S HUMBLE.
SO NUMBER ONE,
HE'S IN SUBMISSION TO GOD FIRST AND HE'S A LEADER.
HE IS LEADING ME IN THE THINGS OF GOD.
HE IS ABLE TO WASH
ME WITH THE WORD BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY KNOWS THE WORD.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO SUBMISSION IS ONLY SCARY,
IT'S ONLY A FEARFUL THING WHEN YOU'RE NOT MARRIED TO
A STRONG LEADER WHO'S ABLE TO LEAD YOU
IN THE THINGS OF GOD.
>> AND WHEN I THINK IS SO BEAUTIFUL ABOUT SUBMISSION
TOO LIKE WITH REBECCA, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SHE IS
SUBMITTED AND WE HAVE THIS RELATIONSHIP.
I CAN GO TO HER FOR COUNSEL AND
CROSS-REFERENCE THINGS THAT I'M FEELING FROM THE
LORD AND THEN SAY, HEY, PRAY INTO THIS TOO,
AND THEN LET'S COME BACK TOGETHER.
>> WE WORK TOGETHER.
>> AND THAT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT
MARRIAGE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE'S TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF THAT, BUT YOU GET TO HAVE A PARTNER THAT
CAN CONTEND FOR THE SAME THINGS OR THE SAME
SITUATIONS OR SOMETHING SIMILAR, UM, ON YOUR BEHALF
AND THEN COME BACK TOGETHER.
AND LIKE HOW
OFTEN DO I ASK FOR YOUR ADVICE ON THINGS?
PEOPLE WOULD BE SHOCKED TO KNOW...
>> ALL THE TIME.
>> HOW OFTEN I DO.
>> AND I ASK HIM ALL THE TIME.
BUT HONESTLY, I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT
A MILLION TIMES.
I WAS LIKE THE SUBMISSION THING HAS NOT BEEN HARD
FOR ME BECAUSE I AM MARRIED TO A MAN THAT I
TRUST WHO IS A LEADER, WHO IS SUBMITTED TO GOD.
>> YEAH.
>> BUT I THINK ABOUT WOMEN THAT DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT ADVICE TO WOMEN IS SO IMPORTANT.
ONCE YOU GET INTO A MARRIAGE,
YOU DON'T WANT TO BE MARRIED TO SOMEONE WHO
DOESN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD,
WHO ISN'T A LEADER, THAT YOU'RE
HAVING TO OVERCOMPENSATE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT GOD CAN'T WORKED THROUGH THAT,
HE CAN AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE IN HARD SITUATIONS.
>> ALREADY MARRIED.
>> YEAH.
>> PEOPLE CAN CHANGE, GOD, NOT THAT YOU CAN CHANGE
HIM, BUT GOD CAN CHANGE HIM.
AND YOU CAN PRAY
AND YOU CAN SERVE THEM AND LOVE THEM.
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN GET TO SOMEONE.
BUT IF YOU CAN AVOID THAT.
THE OTHER THING
I WANTED TO HIT ON BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS IN MINISTRY
AND IN -- ALL OF US ARE CALLED TO EXPAND THE
KINGDOM OF GOD WHETHER IT'S FULL-TIME MINISTRY OR NOT.
BUT IF YOU NEED TO BE IN ALIGNMENT, YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE,
ENVISION FOR LIFE AND YOU HAVE A VISION THAT
SUPPORTS WHAT ANOTHER WHERE YOU RUN TOGETHER.
BECAUSE I'VE SEEN SOMEONE
HAVE LIKE A CALL OF GOD IN THEIR LIFE AND THEIR
SPOUSE NOT WANT TO DO IT.
AND THEY'RE TOGETHER.
AND IT DRAGS THAT PERSON DOWN OR HINDERS THE CALL.
>> YEAH.
>> BECAUSE THEY GOT MARRIED,
BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION I THINK.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER, IF YOU FEEL
THE CALL OF GOD IN YOUR LIFE,
YOU HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO RUN WITH YOU.
I SUPPORT YOU BECAUSE MINISTRY IS SO HARD.
>> YEAH.
>> AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS IN THE
FIGHT WITH YOU, ENCOURAGING YOU,
IT'S JUST -- I DON'T KNOW.
IT COULD TAKE YOU OUT, HONESTLY.
>> YEAH, 100 PERCENT, YEAH.
THE DEVIL REALLY WANTS MARRIAGES.
IF YOU'RE MARRIED,
THE DEVIL INSTEAD OF BOTH OF YOU BUILDING
THE KINGDOM OF GOD TOGETHER AND FIGHTING
THE ENEMY TOGETHER,
HE GETS YOU TO FIGHT EACH OTHER.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN,
THE MAN AND THE WOMAN,
THEY'RE MEANT TO BE A TEAM FIGHTING
THE KINGDOM OF HELL AS A HELPER, UM,
BUT THEY'RE FIGHTING EACH OTHER.
THEY'RE NAGGING TOGETHER.
THEY'RE -- THE WOMAN IS PUTTING THE MAN DOWN,
THE MAN IS PUTTING THE WOMAN DOWN.
BUT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IN MARRIAGE IS MY
JOB IS NOT TO ATTACK HER.
HER JOB IS NOT TO ATTACK ME.
OUR JOB IS TO ATTACK
THE KINGDOM OF HELL TOGETHER.
AND AS THE BIBLE
SAYS ONE CAN PUT ONE THOUSAND OF FLIGHT,
TWO CAN PUT TEN THOUSAND TO FLIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY LEARNED,
IS THAT MARRIAGE IS A BLESSING.
MARRIAGE IS A BLESSING.
AND EVEN BY THE WAY,
IF YOU MARRIED --
IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU MARRIED
SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT SUBMISSIVE TO GOD,
PRAY FOR THEM.
REALLY PRAY FOR THEM.
I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU.
IT'S NOT --
IT'S -- THE ANSWER IS NOT TO DIVORCE.
UM, THE ANSWER IS NOT --
THE ANSWER IS NOT TO BE LIKE, MAN,
I MARRIED THE WRONG PERSON.
NO, YOU MARRIED THEM.
GOD CAN TURN IT FOR GOOD, PRAY FOR THEM.
FAST FOR THEM.
LOVE THEM.
SHOW THEM CHRIST, GO TO CHURCH, AND WATCH GOD
CHANGE THEM FOR HIS GLORY.
>> IN 1 PETER 3 TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY CAN BE WON
OVER BY YOUR CHARACTER.
SO IF YOU'RE IN THAT RELATIONSHIP AND YOU'RE
WITH AN UNBELIEVER OR JUST SOMEBODY
THAT'S NOT EQUALLY YOKED,
SOMEBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW,
DRAGGING BEHIND IN THE FAITH AND NOT
IN THE SAME MISSION AS YOU,
YOU CAN SHOW AND EXEMPLIFY THE NATURE AND THE SPIRIT
OF GOD THROUGH YOU AND THAT CAN LEAD THEM TO GOD.
SO THAT IS THE ENCOURAGEMENT.
BUT FOR ME AS A WIFE,
IT IS THE GREATEST HONOR TO BE ABLE TO BE A HELPER
TO THE CALLING AND THE MISSION THAT GOD HAS GIVEN HIM.
LIKE THAT IS FOR ME, THAT I DON'T SEE THAT
AS A SMALL THING.
THE FACT THAT I CAN USE MY WORDS TO
ENCOURAGE YOU IN THE CALL THAT
GOD HAS GIVEN YOU,
THAT IS NOT A SMALL THING.
THAT'S NOT -- BEING A HELPER IS OFTEN
DESPISED BY WOMEN.
OH, I DON'T WANT TO BE A HELPER.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
I'M A SLAVE, THAT MEANS I'M LESS IMPORTANT.
BEING A HELPER WAS
NEVER ABOUT VALUE.
AND SUBMISSION IS
NEVER A MATTER OF VALUE AND WORTH.
BOTH OF US, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN,
ARE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
GOD MADE THAT CLEAR IN THE BEGINNING OF GENESIS.
SO SUBMISSION AND HIERARCHY IN THE HOME WAS NEVER
ABOUT OUR VALUE AS WOMEN.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SAY
THAT BEING A HELPER IS SOMEHOW BEING INFERIOR,
WELL, YOU'LL COMMITTING A VERY BIG CRIME
BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS GOD IS DESCRIBED IS IN THE
SAME WORD AS A HELPER TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.
HE IS DESCRIBED AS THAT IS A CONNECTOR IN
TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT BEING A HELPER IS SOMEHOW
BEING INFERIOR AND IS SOMEHOW SUBPAR AND IT'S
NOT IMPORTANT ROLE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT GOD'S
ROLE IN HELPING THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL IS NOT IMPORTANT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS A VERY BIG DEAL TO SAY THAT.
AND EVEN THE WORD SUBMISSION COMES FROM TWO
LATIN WORDS, SUB MEANING UNDER AND MISSION,
MISSIO, MISSION.
SO IT MEANS LITERALLY, SUBMISSION MEANS TO COME
UNDER THE MISSION.
>> YEAH.
>> SO BEFORE, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS TO SUBMIT TO GOD.
>> AND MEN, BY THE WAY, MEN CAN'T JUST BE SAYING,
BECAUSE I COME FROM EGYPT, MEN ARE LIKE SUBMIT TO ME,
SUBMIT TO ME.
I'M THE MAN.
>> IT'S AN EXTREME.
>> OBVIOUSLY, THE WOMAN SUBMITS TO YOU BECAUSE SHE'S
YOUR WIFE, BUT YOU BETTER LEAD HER.
LIKE YOU BETTER
BE A MAN OF GOD.
YOU BETTER BE A RIGHTEOUS MAN.
YOU BETTER BE SUBMISSIVE TO GOD YOURSELF.
>> YEAH.
>> IF YOU WANT TO BE THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE,
THE REASON SHE SUBMITS TO YOU IS NOT JUST
YOU'RE THE MAN WITH A BEER AND THEN MUSCLES.
THE REASON SHE SUBMITS TO YOU,
IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A MAN OF GOD.
TAKE HER TO CHURCH.
I THINK MEN LISTENING TODAY WHO ARE MARRIED,
UH, IF YOU'RE NOT TAKE YOUR WIFE TO CHURCH,
IT'S TIME TO TAKE YOUR WIFE TO CHURCH.
IF YOU'RE NOT READING THE BIBLE WITH YOUR KIDS,
IT'S TIME TO READ THE BIBLE WITH YOUR KIDS.
I THINK THE MASSIVE PROBLEM TODAY IN THE WEST
IS NOT THE WOMAN,
IT'S THE MEN.
IF MEN STEP UP TO LEAD,
A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS
WOULD BE FIXED.
IF MEN STEP UP TO BE THE HEAD
OF THE HOUSE AND THE LEADER OF THE HOUSE,
AND MEN STOP SAYING,
I'LL LET THE WIFE LEAD.
I'LL LET THE WIFE MAKE THE DECISION.
NO STEP INTO YOUR
GOD-GIVEN ROLE, ACT LIKE A MAN,
LEAD YOUR FAMILY, A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS WILL BE FIXED.
I THINK GOD, IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, GOD DIDN'T SAY, EVEN
WHEN EVE SINNED,
GOD DIDN'T SAY WHERE ARE YOU TO EVE.
GOD SAID TO THE MAN, WHERE ARE YOU?
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT GOD IS GOING TO DO TO THE WEST.
EVEN IF THERE IS SIN IN YOUR WIFE, EVEN IF THERE IS
SIN IN YOUR CHILDREN, SIN IN YOUR HOME.
GOD WAS SAY WHERE ARE YOU TO THE MAN.
GOD ALWAYS BLAMES THE MAN.
GOD ALWAYS BLAMES THE LEADER
BECAUSE YOU ARE THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE.
YOU'RE THE CEO OF YOUR HOUSE.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE, WHO'S THE BOSS?
THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO YOU.
IT'S THE -- GOD ALWAYS FINDS A LEADER AND ADDRESSES IT.
SO MEN ARE THE PROBLEM.
>> YOU'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE LORD.
SO YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
AND WHAT I WOULD SAY TO ANYONE --
>> I ALWAYS SAY HE HAS THE HARD JOB.
>> YEAH.
>> LITERALLY.
>> THAT'S WHY AS WIVES, I'M LIKE,
I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING
I CAN TO SUPPORT YOU IN THAT ROLE BECAUSE THAT'S
THE SCARIEST ROLE.
>> YEAH, SUPPORT US, YEAH.
>> YEAH.
>> I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT LIKE DON'T BE,
THE GUYS THAT ARE LISTENING,
DON'T BE SCARED OR OVERWHELMED BY IT.
BECAUSE THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING IT IS SO IMPORTANT AND SO BIG,
BUT YOU NEED TO INVITE THE HOLY SPIRIT IINTO EVERY SINGLE
INTERACTION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT ALONE.
YOU DO IT THROUGH HIS STRENGTH.
>> YEAH.
NOT IN YOUR OWN SELF-SUFFICIENCY.
IT'S PURELY THROUGH HIM.
>> I KNOW WHEN I'M NOT GETTING MY CUP FULL
BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE IT AND YOU'LL BE LIKE WHAT IS
WRONG WITH YOU AND I'M LIKE PROBABLY NEED TIME
WITH THE LORD.
>> ALL THE TIME WITH EACH OTHER,
HAVE YOU HAD A QUIET TIME?
I'M LIKE NO.
>> IT'S LIKE THE VIDEO, HAVE YOU HAD YOUR NAP TODAY?
>> GO TAKE 30 MINUTES, I HAVE THE KIDS, HONEY.
>> HE'S ALWAYS LIKE GO PRAY.
>> YEAH, IT MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER.
YOU GUYS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE KIDS?
>> NOT YET.
>> THIS YEAR DOUBLE TWINS,
DOUBLE TROUBLE.
GONNA HAVE A LOT OF BABIES.
>> AMEN.
>> YOU'LL KNOW THAT
LIKE ADDS A LEVEL OF PRESSURE.
THAT'S DIFFERENT AND NEW AND FRESH TO THE MARRIAGE.
>> IT CHANGES EVERYTHING.
>> I CAN IMAGINE.
>> BUT YOU'LL TAKE TURNS TAKING THE KIDS SO THE
OTHER SPOUSE CAN GO HAVE A QUIET TIME
TO SPEND TIME WITH THE LORD.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME
TOGETHER IN THAT ANOINTING, THINGS FLOW SO MUCH BETTER.
>> YEAH.
BUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND LIKE I DON'T KNOW,
THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT BEING MARRIED TO
SOMEONE AND YOU'RE WALKING IN THIS THING TOGETHER.
IT'S, I DON'T KNOW,
IT'S JUST ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THINGS AND IT'S
JUST SO FULFILLING AND I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL.
>> IT IS SUCH A BLESSING.
I COUNT IT AS THE GREATEST HONOR.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH, TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU IN THIS MISSION.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, MARTIN,
YOU WERE SAYING THAT ONE OF THE
GREATEST PROBLEMS IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY IS THIS
EFFEMINATE MEN NOT WILLING TO LEAD.
AND I AGREE LIKE THAT THAT, IF WE FIX THAT, WE FIX
A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN SOCIETY.
BUT LARGELY THE REASON THAT IS I BELIEVE IS
BECAUSE THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT FOR THE LAST
HUNDRED YEARS HAVE BEEN TELLING MEN THAT YOU'RE
MASCULINITY IS TOXIC, YOUR STRENGTH IS TOXIC.
YOU NEED TO BE MORE FEMININE.
YOU NEED TO BE MORE EMOTIONAL.
YOU NEED TO BE LESS STRONG.
AND CAN YOU --
AND NOW YOU'VE GOT WOMAN TODAY SAYING,
WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SUBMIT TO ANY MAN.
AND LARGELY WHAT THIS MOVEMENT HAS BEEN HAS BEEN AN
EMOTIONAL REACTION TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE
ABUSIVE MEN OUT THERE.
THERE ARE MEN THAT ABUSE THEIR LEADERSHIP, THAT
ABUSE THEIR ROLE AS THE HEAD OF THE HOME.
AND WOMEN, A LOT OF WOMEN HAVE PROBABLY FACED THESE KIND
OF MEN AND THEY REACTED AND SAID, OKAY,
WELL, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO SUBMIT TO ANY MAN.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS ENTIRE MOVEMENT CALLED THE
FEMINIST MOVEMENT FOR THE LAST TWO HUNDRED YEARS WHERE
WE WILL SAY AS WOMEN, AS AN IDEOLOGY, THAT MEN WE WILL
NEVER SUBMIT TO ANY MAN.
BUT IMAGINE IF HUSBANDS DID THAT?
LIKE CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THERE WAS A MOVEMENT LIKE
CALLED THE MASCULINITY MOVEMENT OR SOMETHING
WHERE MEN SAID BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME DISHONORING
WOMEN OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME WOMEN WHO
MANIPULATE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY USE THEIR WORDS
TO PUT US DOWN.
LET'S JUST HAVE THIS ENTIRE MOVEMENT WHERE WE
SAY NO WOMAN DESERVES MY LOVE.
NO WOMAN WILL EVER DESERVE MY CARE AND ME TO CHERISH THEM.
IMAGINE IF HUSBANDS DID THAT?
AND THAT'S WHAT THE
FEMINIST MOVEMENT REALLY HAS BEEN.
IT'S BEEN A REACTION
WHEN WE SAY I'M NOT GOING TO SUMBIT TO ANY MAN BECAUSE
THERE ARE SOME MEN OUT THERE.
AND THE TRUTH IS
THERE ARE MEN WHO WILL LEAD IN THIS ABUSIVE
DOMINEERING WAY WHERE THEY SAY I WILL USE YOU TO GET
WHAT I WANT.
BUT THEN THERE ARE MEN WHO LEAD WITH DOMINION SAYING
YOU ARE THE PEOPLE --
YOU ARE THE FAMILY IN MY CARE AND I WILL LEAD YOU
IN A WAY THAT BENEFITS YOU AND LEADS YOU FORWARD.
I'M HERE TO, TO SERVE THE FAMILY.
THAT'S TRUE LEADERSHIP.
I'M HERE TO LEAD US FORWARD IN THE WAYS OF GOD.
THAT'S LIKE A GOOD KING OR A GOOD LEADER.
THEY SAY THAT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE UNTO MY CARE
AND I WILL LEAD THESE PEOPLE IN WHAT'S BEST
FOR THE NATION.
THE PROBLEM IS A GOOD KING OR A GOOD LEADER IS
NOT ABLE TO LEAD THE NATION,
IF ALL THE PEOPLE AREN'T WILLING TO BE LED,
IF THERE IS ANARCHY.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.
>> REBELLION.
>> THERE IS REBELLION.
>> WHICH IS WITCHCRAFT.
>> AND THE PROBLEM IS WE ACTUALLY NEED TO
PRAISE THE GOOD MEN IN OUR SOCIETY
WHO ARE WILLING TO PROTECT US AS WOMEN
AGAINST THE BAD MEN.
>> YEAH.
>> BECAUSE WE'VE BE CAST OUT ALL MEN SAYING ALL MEN
ARE TOXIC, MASCULINITY IS TOXIC.
AND WHAT WE'VE DONE
IS WE'VE CAST ASIDE OUR PROTECTORS.
>> YEAH.
WELL, WHEN WE GO TO WAR,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NEED, WANT A GIRL IN A DRESS
NEXT TO YOU.
>> YOU NEED A STRONG MAN TO PROTECT YOU.
>> YOU'RE GONNA NEED A MAN.
LIKE THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH
SAM SMITH NOW WEARING DRESSES AND HE'S ALL
OVERWEIGHT AND YOU KNOW, HE'S LIKE, YEAH,
EAT YOUR CHEESEBURGERS.
>> HE'S CHANGED SO MUCH.
>> WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>> SAM SMITH, SAM SMITH.
>> I'M NOT GOOD WITH THE FAMOUS.
>> HARRY STYLES, HARRY STYLES
WEARING DRESSES NOW.
>> HE IS NOT PLUGGED INTO CULTURE.
>> HEY!
>> YOU'RE NOT, HONEY.
>> THE PROBLEM IS...
>> THAT'S A COMPLIMENT.
>> YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM
IS WE'RE HAVING NOW
IS OUR YOUNG MEN,
THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD ROLE MODELS TO LOOK UP TO.
THEIR ROLE MODELS ARE
HARRY STYLES.
>> THEY'RE NOT ANYWHERE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTED AT ALL.
>> EXACTLY.
>> THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW THERE'S AN ELITE GROUP
RUNNING THE MEDIA THOUGH
BECAUSE THERE ARE MEN THAT ARE STANDING UP.
>> EXACTLY.
>> YEAH.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHY JOE ROGAN
AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE
SO POPULAR BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE FRINGE.
LIKE THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTED
BY THE MACHINE,
BUT THERE'S THIS HUGE FOLLOWING BECAUSE THEY THINK
MEN ARE HUNGRY FOR THAT.
>> YES, MEN, MEN WANT SOMEONE TO LOOK UP TO
WHO IS A HERO, WHO'S MASCULINE,
WHO'S COURAGEOUS, BUT ALL WE HAVE NOW ON THE MEDIA
AND HOLLYWOOD IS SAM SMITH AND HARRY STYLES.
THESE GUYS ARE NOT MEN.
THESE GUYS ARE A EFFEMINATE MEN.
THEY'RE GAY.
THEY MIGHT NOT BE GAY, GAY LITERALLY.
BUT THEY'RE GAY
IN THE WAY THEY ACT.
UM, AND IF WE GO TO WAR
AND THAT'S THE MEN WE HAVE, WE'LL BE TAKEN OVER OVERNIGHT.
UH, WHEN WE GO TO WAR, YOU'RE GONNA NEED
MASCULINE MEN WHO ARE STRONG AND COURAGEOUS WHO
LITERALLY GO TO THE GYM AND DON'T EAT CHEESEBURGERS
ALL THE TIME.
LITERALLY, LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING,
MAY SEEM LIKE FUNNY.
BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY, WE NEED MEN WHO ARE STRONG
AND COURAGEOUS NOT SAM SMITH IN A DRESS.
>> AND A LOT OF WOMEN WILL DESPISE THEIR HUSBANDS OR
MEN FOR BEING LESS EMOTIONAL BECAUSE THEY'RE
DIFFERENT TO US AND OFTEN IN MARRIAGES LIKE THE,
THE CONFLICT ARISES BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO BE LIKE US
AND OUR GENDER.
BUT GOD MADE US DIFFERENT FOR A REASON.
AND WHEN YOU THINK FROM A WAR CONTEXT,
IT IS SUCH A GIFT THAT MEN, GOD WIRED THEM.
SO THEY ARE ABLE TO COME, COMPARTMENTALIZE,
PUT ASIDE THEIR EMOTIONS TO FIGHT FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
WE'RE NOT AS GOOD AT DOING THAT AS WOMEN.
WE'RE MORE EMOTIONAL.
>> IT'S NOT OUR STRENGTH.
>> AND AT THE SAME TIME, AS WOMEN, WE NEED TO
BE MORE EMOTIONAL TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN ALIVE.
>> RIGHT.
>> LIKE IT'S A GOOD THING WE'RE NURTURING.
>> ON THE FLIPSIDE, ALL I WANT TO DO IS LIKE
LEAD AND CONQUER AND TAKE GROUND.
>> HE DOES.
>> BUT THEN SHE ABLE TO HELP.
>> I'M LIKE SLOW DOWN, THE KIDS.
>> SHE'S LIKE, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
YOU KNOW, AND IT HELPS PACE THINGS OUT,
BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT BALANCE.
>> WE'RE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE IN OUR ROLES.
THE ENEMY WANTS
TO SEE MEN AND WOMEN DESPISE EACH OTHER.
THE ENEMY WANTS TO SEE HUSBANDS
DESPISE THE WOMEN.
STOP BEING SO EMOTIONAL, STOP BEING LIKE THAT.
LIKE JUST GET OVER YOUR FEELINGS.
NO, NO, UNDERSTAND GOD MADE HER LIKE THAT.
SHE'S MADE AS THE WEAKER VESSEL.
BE PATIENT AND UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S WHAT THE --
>> I LITERALLY QUOTED THAT.
I AM LIKE, I AM THE WEAKER VESSEL.
>> LITERALLY SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN
TALKING TO THE LORD WITH JUST OVER THIS PAST YEAR
THAT'S REALLY HELPED ME,
IS LIKE LEARNING TO LOVE THAT SIDE...
>> YEAH.
>> EVEN MORE.
>> YES.
>> BECAUSE YOU DO GET TO THAT POINT AS A GUY,
YOU KNOW, I DO WHERE I'M JUST LIKE JUST
MOVE PAST THAT FEELING AND GO FORWARD.
BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND LIKE...
>> IT'S NOT AS EASY FOR US.
>> SHE'S DIFFERENT.
YEAH, EXACTLY.
IT'S NOT AS EASY FOR YOU.
>> YEAH.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DYING.
YOU THINK I'M SAYING TOO MUCH.
>> THIS IS LIKE, WE SPEAK TO A LOT OF MARRIED COUPLES.
>> NO, NO, I LOVE TALKING TO MARRIED COUPLES,
IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME PROBLEM.
THE MAN IS A THINKER, HE IS AGGRESSIVE.
THE WOMAN WANTS TO HUG AND THE MAN DOESN'T WANT TO HUG.
HE WANTS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT SHE WANTS A HUG.
>> HE DOESN'T WANT TO HUG, HE JUST WANTS TO MOVE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> WANTS A HUG ALL THE TIME.
>> WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS THE PROBLEM.
MILLI WANTS TO HUG.
I WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> THERE IS A VIDEO...
>> YEAH.
>> THERE'S A VIDEO THEY SHOWED IN MY,
BECAUSE IN MY BIBLE SCHOOL,
I TOOK A PSYCHOLOGY.
AND, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE A FULL UNIVERSITY
DEGREE AND THEY SHOWED THIS VIDEO MAKING FUN OF
THIS CONCEPT WHERE IT SHOWS LIKE A WIFE AND
SHE'S POURING HER HEART TO HER HUSBAND
AND HE'S JUST STARING AT HER
AND IN THE VIDEO SHE HAS A NAIL IN HER FOREHEAD.
AND HE'S LIKE I JUST,
WANT TO GET THE NAIL OUT
AND SHE'S LIKE I JUST WANT TO
TALK ABOUT HOW IT HURTS.
>> YEAH.
>> HE'S LIKE JUST PULL IT OUT.
>> I HEARD SOME GREAT MARRIAGE ADVICE
THAT WAS EXPLAINING THAT
IT'S BECAUSE MEN AND WOMEN VALUE DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WOMEN WE TEND TO VALUE RELATIONSHIP MORE MEN.
MEN TEND TO VALUE ACHIEVEMENT MORE.
>> YEAH.
>>> AND SO THAT'S THERE --
I CAN'T SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE,
BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S WHY MEN REALLY WILL
ONLY TALK TO US AS WIVES,
UH, ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH WHEN
IT'S NOT LIKE CRISIS MODE.
BECAUSE YOU GUYS WANT TO
SOLVE IT ON YOUR OWN.
YOU FEEL MORE ACCOMPLISHED IF YOU CAN SOLVE
IT BY YOURSELF.
WHEREAS AS WIVES, AS WOMEN, AS FEMALES,
WE JUST WANT TO RELATE TO YOU.
SO EVEN IF IT'S THE SMALLEST CONVENIENCE IN MY DAY,
I SPILLED MY COFFEE ON MY SHIRT,
I'LL CALL YOU JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO RELATE TO YOU.
>> AND I JUST WANT EMPATHY.
DON'T GIVE ME A SOLUTION RIGHT NOW.
>> I DON'T WANT SOLUTIONS, JUST WANT TO RELATE.
>> DID YOU HIRE HER TO COME TALK ON YOUR BEHALF?
>> YEAH, SHE'S MY SPOKESPERSON.
>> YOU'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF REBECCA.
>> TEACH HIM, TEACH HIM.
>> BECAUSE A LOT OF HUSBANDS WILL BE LIKE,
WILL GET FRUSTRATED BY THAT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE
THAT'S NOT A BIG PROBLEM.
>> LIKE WHY CRY?
>> BECAUSE FOR YOU,
YOU WOULD ONLY COME TO US IF IT'S CRISIS.
SO YOU'RE BEING LIKE, YOU'RE THINKING
WE'RE OVERREACTING BECAUSE YOU THINK WE'RE CALLING
THAT A CRISIS.
NO, WE JUST WANT TO RELATE.
>> YEAH.
>> WE'RE SO DIFFERENT, EVEN BIOLOGICALLY
I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THAT.
AND WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT
YOU CAN BE THIS AND YOU CAN BE THAT LIKE THERE'S NO WAY.
>> WE ARE SO DIFFERENT.
>> GOD CREATED MAN AND WOMAN.
>> YEAH.
>> DONE.
>> IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE GARDEN.
IT ALL GOES BACK TO WE'RE MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
AND HE MADE THINGS A CERTAIN WAY FOR A REASON.
AND IN SOCIETY MORE THAN EVER,
THEY'RE TRYING TO TWIST.
>> AND PERVERT.
>> GOD IS A GOD OF ORDER.
THE DEVIL IS OF CHAOS.
>> YEAH.
>> AND HE HATES FAMILY AND HE HATES MARRIAGE BECAUSE NOTHING
REFLECTS MORE THE IMAGE OF GOD THAN MARRIAGE.
>> BECAUSE REVIVAL COMES OUT OF THE FAMILY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> THIS IS WHY, BY THE WAY,
THE LGBTQ MOVEMENT IS SUCH A DEMONIC IDEA BECAUSE A
MAN MARRYING A MAN CANNOT HAVE A KID.
>> RIGHT.
>> A WOMAN WITH A WOMAN CANNOT HAVE A KID.
THIS IS A PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS WHERE
ARE THE FUTURE GENERATIONS?
LIKE WE SERVE THE GOD OF ABRAHAM,
ISAAC AND JACOB.
THE GOD OF GENERATIONS.
GAY COUPLES CAN'T HAVE KIDS,
SO JUST THE GOD OF ABRAHAM?
AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE WE WILL SERVE THE LORD.
A GAY COUPLE CAN'T SAY THAT.
AS FOR ME AND MYSELF
WE WILL SERVE THE LORD.
SO THIS IS SO DEMONIC BECAUSE THE FIRST
COMMANDMENT WAS GO TO BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY.
GAY COUPLES CAN'T DO THAT.
>> YEAH.
>> SO IT'S, IT'S BIOLOGICALLY
A MALE AND A WOMAN ARE MEANT TO BE TOGETHER.
IT'S NOT ADAM AND STEVE.
IT'S LITERALLY ADAM AND EVE FOR A REASON AND GOD
DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE WHEN HE DID THAT IT'S --
>> AND TO COMPOUND IT NOW WE'RE SEEING
THIS TRANSHUMANISM THING.
SO YOU KNOW HOW PERVERTED AND HOW EVIL
AND DEMONIC IT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE
LITERALLY CREATING CHILDREN FROM.
>> YEAH.
>> SPLIT DNA.
>> YEAH, I JUST HAD A DOCTOR ON,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS,
BUT THE FUTURE, IT'S REALLY CREEPY, THE FUTURE FOR
COUPLES LIKE THAT WHO WANT TO HAVE KIDS...
>> YEAH.
>> IS TO CREATE MULTIPLE EMBRYOS AND YOU
CREATE GRANDPARENTS AND PARENTS
AND PARENTS.
>> IT'S DEMONIC.
>> EVENTUALLY THE KIDS WILL COME AND THEN YOU
KILL ALL THOSE BABIES.
>> YEAH.
>> AND IT'S LIKE THAT WAY,
YOU CAN HAVE IT FROM BOTH PARENTS EVEN
THOUGH THEY'RE TWO MEN.
AND SO THERE IS THAT PERVERTED WAY PUSHING
FORWARD THAT PERVERSION AND --
>> THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS IN HISTORY WAS UNDER
THE NAZI REGIME.
>> YEAH.
>> SO DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT PERIOD IN
HISTORY WHERE WE START PLAYING GOD AND SAYING
THESE PEOPLE ARE VALUABLE.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT VALUABLE.
LET'S START PLAYING GOD --
>> IT'S THE PLAYING GOD FOR ME.
I'M LIKE, YEAH, WE ARE NOT GOD.
>> I FEAR THE LORD WAY TOO MUCH.
>> YEAH.
>> AND FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING IT.
I'M LIKE THAT IS NOT A PATH TO GO DOWN.
>> YEAH.
>> ITALY ACTUALLY JUST MADE A STAND,
AND I SAW YESTERDAY ON THE NEWS ITALY MADE
A STAND WHERE THEY'VE BANNED SURROGACY FOR GAY COUPLES.
>> I AM SO THANKFUL.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
>> BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THOSE COUPLES,
THERE IS A LOT OF TIMES CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE INVOLVED.
>> IT'S SO COMMON.
>> THERE'S SOME -- THERE'S SOME PERVERTED STUFF GOING ON.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AND EVEN IF THAT --
I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF
THEM ARE LIKE THAT, BUT THAT DOES, THAT HAS HAPPENED.
BUT ALSO YOU'RE NOT DESIGNED TO GROW UP
WITHOUT A MOTHER OR A FATHER,
YOU NEED BOTH.
>> BECAUSE WE'RE DIFFERENT.
IT GOES BACK TO EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE SAYING.
>> IT'S ABUSE.
THAT'S ABUSE.
FOR YOU TO GET A KID --
>> FOR YOU TO LIVE OUT YOUR FANTASY.
>> THERE WAS A PHOTO
I SAW OF A MAN IN A HOSPITAL WITH HIS SHIRT
OFF AND HAVING --
>> I SAW THAT.
>> BREASTFEEDING.
>> I'M LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY ABUSE.
>> AS A MOTHER, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT MAKES ME MAD
THAT MAKES ME MAD.
THAT'S WHERE THAT RIGHTEOUS ANGER --
BECAUSE IT'S HURTING THE INNOCENT.
AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CALL TO PROTECT THE
MOST INNONCENT AND WE STAND AGAINST ABORTION.
>> YEAH.
>> AND ALL OF THESE THINGS, TOO, THEY'RE SPIRITUAL.
>> YEAH.
>> THERE'S A SPIRIT, THERE'S ENTITIES BEHIND ABORTION
BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SACRIFICING PEOPLE
FOR ALL TIME.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF PHRASING
IT NOW, IT'S MORE DECEPTIVE AND EVEN FEMINISM,
FEMINISM THAT FEMINIST MOVEMENT WAS STRATEGIC.
>> YEAH.
>> AND IT WAS ALSO, THERE'S A SPIRITUAL,
IT'S A SPIRITUAL ATTACK AS WELL.
>> YEAH.
>> AND NOTHING MAKES A WOMAN MORE MISERABLE
IN MY OPINION.
>> YEAH.
>> A HUNDRED PERCENT.
>> THAN FEMINISM BECAUSE IT PUTS ALL THE PRESSURE ON WOMEN,
IT SEPARATES WOMEN FROM CHILDREN.
IT GETS WOMEN, IT PREVENTS THEM FROM HAVING CHILDREN.
>> YEAH.
>> AND IT MAKES WOMEN BE SOMETHING WE'RE NOT
WHICH IS MASCULINE.
AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WOMEN
WANT SECURITY AND SAFETY AND TO BE PROTECTED.
AND YOU WANT A PERSON TO FEEL EXPOSED AS A WOMAN,
PUT IT ALL ON HER SHOULDERS.
>> YEAH.
>> NO WOMAN ACTUALLY WANTS THAT.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE WITH A MASCULINE MAN,
YOU'RE FREE TO BE YOURSELF.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH, THE SAD THING IS MANY WOMEN NOW ARE
FORCED TO HAVE TO WORK AND NOT BE ABLE TO STAY AT
HOME WITH THEIR CHILDREN.
AND THEY ARE FORCED TO HAND
THEIR CHILDREN OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT TO BE
BRAINWASHED WITH ALL THESE IDEOLOGIES AND THAT'S A
RESULT OF THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT AND THE FEMINIST
MOVEMENT IS SUCH A LIE.
IT'S ACTUALLY SO ANTI-WOMAN.
BECAUSE IT TELLS US
AS WOMEN YOU HAVE TO ACT LIKE A MAN IN ORDER
TO BE VALUABLE.
>> AND I MEAN, I MEAN EVEN FROM THE HEALTH BECAUSE I
LOVE TALKING ABOUT HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
I MEAN JUST BIRTH CONTROL, FROM A HORMONAL STANDPOINT,
IT'S SO BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH.
WHAT IT DOES TO YOU IS SO ABNORMAL.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE IF YOU ACTUALLY KNEW
WHAT YOU WERE DOING,
IT'S LIKE YOU WOULD NEVER PUT THAT INTO YOUR BODY.
AND IT'S GIVEN WOMEN TONS OF HEALTH PROBLEMS NOT TO MENTION,
THEY ACTUALLY SAY IT CAN AFFECT HOW A WOMAN
PICKS A MATE IF THEY'RE ON BIRTH CONTROL.
STUDIES HAVE COME OUT ABOUT THAT.
>> SO I MEAN, I'M ALWAYS LIKE IF YOU CAN'T JUST GET
OFF THE BIRTH CONTROL, BECAUSE IT'S MESSING YOU UP.
BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF THE FEMINIST,
THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION.
OH, YOU CAN HAVE SEX WITH WHOEVER YOU WANT,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET PREGNANT.
>> WELL, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE ROOTS
OF ANY MOVEMENT.
MARGARET SANGER THE WOMAN THAT CAME UP WITH
THE CONTRACEPTIVE PILL.
SHE SAID SOMEBODY ASKED HER,
DO YOU BELIEVE IN SIN?
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT
THERE IS SUCH A THING AS SIN?
AND SHE SAID THE GREATEST SIN IS
A WOMAN HAVING CHILDREN.
SHE BELIEVED IT WAS SIN.
>> SHE WAS EVIL.
>> SHE WAS RACIST.
SHE TARGETED HER CONTRACEPTIVE SCHEMES TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY
BECAUSE SHE BASICALLY WANTED THE BLACK COMMUNITY
TO DIE OUT.
AND SO THIS WHOLE, THE WHOLE ROOTS OF IT
WERE VERY RACIST.
>> AND EUGENICS BACK TO THAT KILLING CERTAIN PEOPLE.
YEP, IT'S THE SAME THING.
>> AND THIS IS WHAT LIKE A LOT OF
PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND TODAY.
IT'S STILL HAPPENING.
THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO PLANT PLANNED PARENTHOOD
ABORTION CENTERS IN PREDOMINANTLY BLACK COMMUNITIES.
SO IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE SAME DEMONS THAT WERE
AROUND BACK IN THE NAZI REGIME THAT SAID,
LET'S, UH, CHEMICALLY CASTRATE PEOPLE
SO THAT THEY CANNOT REPRODUCE BECAUSE WE DON'T
WANT THESE PEOPLE IN SOCIETY.
THEY, THE FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND
GERMANS WERE CHEMICALLY CASTRATED.
SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE CHILDREN, UNKNOWINGLY.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING,
BUT BY THE EUGENESIS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT THESE
PEOPLE WERE A BURDEN IN SOCIETY.
SO LET'S STOP THEM FROM REPRODUCING.
THIS IS STILL HAPPENING TODAY THROUGH TWO THINGS.
ABORTION, THEY'RE PUTTING PLANNED PARENTHOODS
IN BLACK COMMUNITIES.
IT'S A FULL RACIST MOVE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO
DECREASE POPULATION IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
IT'S SO RACIST AND NUMBER TWO WITH THE CASTRATING
OF YOUNG PEOPLE.
IT'S THE SAME THING.
I BELIEVE THAT
THERE ARE A DOCTORS WHO ARE ALL OVER THE SAME
MINDSET OF THE NAZIS OF HITLER
WHO LOOK AT THESE YOUNG CHILDREN WHO ARE MENTALLY
ILL AND THINK THIS SOCIETY WOULD BE BETTER
IF THEY DON'T REPRODUCE.
LET'S NOT HELP THESE CHILDREN,
THESE POOR INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT ARE SO CONFUSED IN
THEIR GENDER IDEOLOGY.
LET'S JUST STOP THEM, CUT THEIR BODY PARTS, LITERALLY,
SO THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO REPRODUCE.
>> IT'S EVIL.
>> IT'S THE SAME SCHEMES THAT'S HAPPENING,
BUT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE EYES TO SEE IT,
BECAUSE IT'S BRANDED AS HEALTH CARE.
>> AND IT'S ALL DONE IN LIKE THE NAME OF LOVE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND THAT'S, IT'S DECEPTION.
>> YEAH.
>> THE BATTLE BY THE WAY IS ALWAYS
AFTER THE NEXT GENERATION AND BABIES.
WHETHER IT'S ABORTION --
IT'S ALWAYS AFTER THE YOUNG GENERATION BECAUSE
THE FUTURE OF CHRISTIANITY, BY THE WAY, HINGES ON
PARENTS HAVING BABIES.
SO NOW WHAT THE DEVIL IS
SAYING ABORT YOUR KIDS OR THE FEMINIST,
I'M AN ENTREPRENEUR.
I CAN'T AFFORD KIDS.
I CAN ONLY HAVE ONE KID, BUT MEANWHILE THE MUSLIMS
ARE HAVING FOUR, FIVE, SIX KIDS.
SO WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE --
>> THAT'S ON PURPOSE.
>> SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPLACEMENT RATES,
UH, THE WEST AND CHRISTIANS
OUR REPLACEMENT RATE
IS ABOUT 1.8, 1.9.
WHICH MEANS WHEN BOTH OF YOU DIE,
YOU REPLACE YOURSELF WITH TWO BABIES.
THE MUSLIM REPLACEMENT RATE IS ABOUT FOUR.
SO WHEN TWO PEOPLE DIE,
THEY REPLACE THEMSELVES WITH FOUR.
SO WHEN YOU DO THE --
>> WE'RE HAVING SIX KIDS.
>> SAME.
>> ISN'T THAT PART OF THEIR FAITH, THOUGH?
IT'S LIKE THAT'S
PART OF THE WAY THEY TAKE OVER.
>> IT GENIUS BECAUSE REMEMBER THE
WAY TO GROW CHRISTIANITY,
THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED RELIGIOUS MATHEMATICS.
RELIGIOUS MATHEMATICS IS LET'S DO THE MATH ON
RELIGIONS AND SEE WHICH ONE IS GOING TO BE THE
FASTEST AND BIGGEST RELIGION.
THE WAY CHRISTIANITY GROWS IS BY EVANGELISM, NUMBER ONE,
BY CONVERTS, BY REVIVAL.
BUT ALSO ONE OF THE BIGGEST WAY
CHRISTIANITY GROWS IS BY HAVING BABIES.
IT'S LITERALLY BY HAVING BABIES.
GOD LITERALLY SAID BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY.
THE REASON, BY THE WAY, PHAROAH FEARED
THE HEBREWS WAS NOT BECAUSE
THEY WERE CONVERTING PEOPLE.
HE FEARED THEM BECAUSE THEY
WERE AS NUMEROUS AS THE SAND.
THEY WERE HAVING SO MUCH BABIES THAT HE WAS SCARED.
AND NOW TODAY THE REASON FEMINISM DOESN'T
WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE BABIES AND PEOPLE WANT
TO ABORT THEIR BABIES,
IT'S JUST THE DEVIL WANTS TO DECLINE CHRISTIANITY BY
NOT HAVING BABIES, BUT MUSLIMS ARE GENIUS.
THEY'RE HAVING AT LEAST FOUR BABIES EACH.
AND IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES,
ACCORDING TO THE QURAN,
THE MEN CAN HAVE FOUR WIVES.
SO NOW ONE MAN WITH FOUR WOMEN,
YOU DO THE MATH.
FOUR KIDS WITH EACH WOMAN, THAT'S SIXTEEN
BABIES PER MAN.
MEANWHILE, THE WEST AND THE CHRISTIAN
COUPLES ARE HAVING ONE BABY.
BECAUSE I'M AN ENTREPRENEUR,
NOT BECAUSE OF HEALTH ISSUES AND OTHER.
I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE DO THAT.
WE GOT DOG MOMS
WALKING AROUND WITH A DOG,
BUT WE ABORT OUR BABIES.
>> NOT THE SAME, ANOTHER PET PEEVE OF MINE.
>> AND THIS IS A PROBLEM BY THE WAY.
IF WE DON'T HAVE BABIES, CHRISTIANITY WILL DECLINE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE BABIES AND EVERY COUPLE IF YOU CAN
HAVE FOUR BABIES.
I KNOW NOT EVERY COUPLE CAN,
BUT IF YOU CAN HAVE, THREE BABIES, HAVE FOUR BABIES.
>> JUST BE, BE OPEN.
BECAUSE --
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I THINK PEOPLE,
I JUST THINK PEOPLE NEED TO BE REMINDED THAT LIKE
WE ARE NOT THE BOSS OF OUR LIVES.
GOD IS THE BOSS OF OUR LIVES.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERVING HIM AND WE JUST NEED TO BE
OPEN AND FLEXIBLE.
AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW BEING AROUND BIG FAMILIES,
WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT WE LOVE THE DYNAMIC.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW YOU NEVER TALK TO SOMEONE AND SAY,
OH, I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE SO MANY KIDS,
BUT YOU ALWAYS HEAR
I WISH I HAD MORE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> SO TRUE.
>> WELL, REMEMBER, BY THE WAY, LIKE LITERALLY ABRAHAM SAID,
ABRAHAM SAID TO GOD,
HOW CAN YOU BLESS ME
WHEN I DON'T HAVE A CHILD?
NOW TODAY PEOPLE ARE SAYING
HOW CAN YOU BLESS ME
WHEN I DO HAVE A CHILD?
HANNAH LITERALLY CRIED AND SAID
SHE WAS LITERALLY CRYING BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T HAVE A BABY.
HANNAH IN THE BIBLE.
NOW TODAY WHAT ARE WOMEN DOING?
THEY'RE CRYING BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BABY.
I'M LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON?
WE HAVE LITERALLY FLIPPED IT.
PARENTS USED TO CRY BECAUSE,
LORD, BLESS ME WITH A CHILD.
CHILDREN WERE SEEN AS A BLESSING.
NOW CHILDREN ARE SEEN AS A BURDEN.
>> YEAH.
I WOULD SAY WE'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED.
BUT ALSO THERE'S SUCH AN INSIGHT IN TITUS CHAPTER 2,
WHERE IT SAYS TO THE OLDER WOMEN.
IT SAYS TEACH THE YOUNGER WOMEN TO LOVE THEIR
HUSBANDS AND LOVE THEIR CHILDREN.
WHICH IS SUCH AN INTERESTING VERSE BECAUSE
YOU READ THAT YOU'RE LIKE
WHAT DO YOU MEAN TEACH THEM TO LOVE THEIR CHILDREN?
ISN'T THAT LIKE AN INSTINCTUAL THING?
LIKE ISN'T MOTHERHOOD JUST THIS --
NO, THIS TELLS US THE OPPOSITE.
THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A DUTY THAT YOU
MUST BE CALLED TO.
ESPECIALLY IN THE FACT
THAT THERE IS THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT THAT IS TELLING
WOMEN DON'T HAVE BABIES, IT'LL DESTROY YOUR LIFE.
IT'S SLAVERY.
JOHN STUART MILL, HE WAS ONE OF THE VOICE,
KEY VOICES OF FEMINISM.
HE SAID THAT THERE ARE NO KNOWN SLAVES
IN MODERN DAY SOCIETY,
EXCEPT THE MISTRESS OF EVERY HOME.
AND THIS WAS THE FEMINIST
IDEOLOGY THAT TO BE A MOTHER IS TO BE
ENSLAVED TO THESE LITTLE CHILDREN THAT
TAKE UP ALL YOUR TIME.
IT'S SLAVERY.
AND SO REALLY I BELIEVE WHAT'S HAPPENED
IN THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS IS THE OLDER WOMEN HAVE
UNKNOWINGLY POSSIBLY BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE
HARDSHIPS OF HAVING CHILDREN RATHER THAN
TEACHING THE YOUNGER WOMEN,
THIS IS A DUTY WORTH DYING FOR, THIS IS, IT'S HARD.
BUT, AND THIS IS THE THING ABOUT OLDER WOMEN,
IS THEY HAVE THE BLESSING OF PERSPECTIVE.
THEY'RE NOW THROUGH THE SLEEPLESS NIGHTS
THE NEWBORN STAGE.
THEY'RE ON THE OTHER END OF IT WHERE THEY HAVE
THE BLESSING OF, YOU KNOW, ON CHRISTMAS HAVING A FULL
HOME OF SEVEN CHILDREN.
THEY HAVE THE GIFT OF PERSPECTIVE
WHERE THEY CAN SAY,
I KNOW IT'S HARD NOW, BUT IT'S SO WORTH IT
TO HAVE A FULL HOME.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CHILDREN
ARE A BLESSING IN PSALM 127.
BLESSED IS THE MAN WHO HAS A QUIVER FULL.
>> YEP.
>> THAT'S NOT,
THAT'S NOT ONE.
>> YEAH.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY A QUIVERFULL IS, BUT IT'S MANY.
>> AT LEAST THREE.
I MEAN, PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT.
>> I A HUNDRED PERCENT I BELIEVE
THERE IS MATHEMATICS TO IT.
GOD SAID BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY.
GOD DIDN'T SAY YOU DIE
AND REPLACE YOU WITH TWO, MULTIPLY.
WHAT'S MULTIPLICATION?
GOD IS A GOD OF MULTIPLICATION AND THAT'S
NOT JUST WITH YOUR BUSINESS.
GOD EXPECTS MULTIPLICATION IN YOUR BUSINESS
AND YOUR CHURCH.
THAT'S ALSO WITH YOUR FAMILY.
GOD EXPECTS YOU WHEN YOU DIE TO HAVE MULTIPLIED
YOUR FAMILY AND HAVE THREE CHILDREN.
AND BY THE WAY,
IF YOU CAN'T HAVE BABIES,
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST MINISTRIES IN A CHURCH
SHOULD BE ADOPTION.
>> YEAH.
>> I THINK THAT IS, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE BABIES,
AND I UNDERSTAND SO MANY WOMEN THE CROSS
THEY CARRY IS I CAN'T HAVE BABIES
OR, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T FALL PREGNANT.
WELL, THERE IS ADDOPTION.
LET'S ADOPT YOUNG BABIES
WHO DON'T HAVE PARENTS AND LET'S RAISE THEM UP TO BE
MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD.
IN FACT IN A SECOND CENTURY,
ONE OF THE WAYS
CHRISTIANITY GREW WAS THERE WAS A BIG GARBAGE
DUMP OUTSIDE THE GATE OF THE CITY AND A LOT OF THE
PAGANS WOULD CHUCK THEIR BABIES
THEY DIDN'T WANT OUT IN THE GARBAGE DRUNK,
IN THE GARBAGE DUNK.
AND GUESS WHAT THE CHRISTIANS DID?
THE CHRISTIANS USED TO HAVE A MINISTRY WHERE THEY
WOULD GO SEARCHING THROUGH THAT RUBBISH DUMP FOR
BABIES AND WOULD RAISE THEM UP TO BE CHRISTIAN.
THAT'S ADOPTION.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARENTS TODAY WHO
CHUCK THEIR BABY IN THE BIN.
I DON'T WANT MY BABY.
I DON'T WANT THEM.
WELL, THAT'S UP TO THE CHRISTIANS TO TAKE THESE
BABIES AND RAISE THEM UP AS MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD.
SO HAVING CHILDREN AND, AND REPLACING YOURSELF
IS SO IMPORTANT.
OTHERWISE ISLAM WILL TAKE OVER.
IF WE DON'T HAVE BABIES,
ISLAM WILL TAKE OVER.
THEY ARE HAVING FIVE BABIES, SIX BABIES
AND THEY KNOW HOW TO MULTIPLY.
UM, WE NEED TO MULTIPLY.
WE REALLY NEED TO EXPAND CHRISTIANITY BY CONVERSION,
BUT ALSO BY BIRTH RATE.
>> SO BEFORE WE RAP,
YOU GUYS GET MARRIED.
AND THEN HOW SOON
AFTER YOU GET MARRIED,
DO YOU START ECHO CHURCH OR WHAT'S THE STORY
WITH ECHO CHURCH?
>> MY BROTHER,
MY BROTHER ANDREW SEDRA, THE BOLD COURAGEOUS PREACHER,
UM, EIGHT YEARS AGO,
HE PLANTED ECHO CHURCH.
>> OKAY.
>> EIGHT YEARS AGO.
SO THAT WAS ABOUT THAT WAS ABOUT MAYBE NINE YEARS
AFTER MOVING TO AUSTRALIA.
>> AND WE GOT MARRIED.
>> AND WE GOT MARRIED LITERALLY IN THE FIRST
YEAR OF ECHO.
THE WHOLE FAMILY
NOW IS BUILDING ECHO CHURCH.
>> THAT'S SO COOL.
>> OTHERS ARE THERE.
>> HE'S STILL THERE, YOUR BROTHER.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
ANDREW AND NOLEEN,
JOHN AND ERASMO.
MARTINA AND ALEX, ME AND MY WIFE, MY DAD AND MOM.
WE'RE ALL THERE BUILDING HOUSE OF GOD TOGETHER.
>> SO THAT'S SO NEAT.
THAT THERE'S A THRIVING
EGYPTIAN-LED CHURCH IN AUSTRALIA.
I JUST LOVE THAT.
>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
>> THAT IS SO COOL.
>> GOD TURNED IT AROUND.
>> THE WHOLE FAMILY IS WORKING TOGETHER.
>> THE WHOLE STORY IS NOW TURNED AROUND FOR GOD'S GLORY.
>> WHERE DID YOU GET THE NAME FROM OR
ANDREW OR WHOEVER?
>> THERE IS A FUNNY STORY.
>> YOU WANT THE SPIRITUAL STORY OR THE FUNNY STORY.
>> I LIKE THE FUNNY.
>> FUNNY STORY.
MY BROTHER, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF DECIDING
WHAT NAME GOES WITH.
MY BROTHER JOHN WAS IN THE TOILET.
AND WE WERE ALL DECIDING.
AND THEN HE OPENED THE TOILET DOOR.
AND HE WAS LIKE WHAT ABOUT ECHO?
>> THAT'S IT.
>> GREAT IDEA, THAT'S IT,
I THINK.
YEAH, SO, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE FUNNY STORY.
THE BIBLICAL STORY IS WE'RE HEAR TO ECHO
THE VOICE OF GOD.
MANY PEOPLE ARE CREATING THEIR OWN VOICE.
THEY'RE CHANGING THE WORD OF GOD.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO GIVE YOU OUR OWN VOICE.
WE'RE JUST AN ECHO OF THE WORD OF GOD.
WHATEVER THE WORD OF GOD SAYS --
>> WE'RE NOT DISTORTING IT, WE'RE ECHOING IT.
>> WE'RE LITERALLY JUST ECHOES.
WHATEVER YOU HEAR AT THE BEGINNING AND WHATEVER THE
PAST IS AND EVANGELISTS AND PROPHETS PREACH
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT,
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ON PREACHING IT.
>> THAT'S COOL.
AND THEN IT SPEAKS TO LEGACY TOO.
IT'S LIKE IT WILL KEEP GOING
EVEN AFTER YOU'RE GONE.
>> THAT'S A GOOD MEANING, WE'LL ADD THAT TO IT.
>> HEY!
>> SO, YEAH, WE'RE HERE TO ECHO THE WORD OF GOD.
>> I'M GOING TO SYDNEY,
I'M GOING TO ECHO CHURCH THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST STOP.
>> THERE YOU GO.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
>> WHEN YOU GUYS ARE THERE, WE'LL HOST YOU.
IT WILL BE AN AWESOME TIME.
>> YEAH.
I LOVE THAT.
>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
>> WELL, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH, SERIOUSLY.
>> YEAH.
>> COME BACK NEXT TIME WITH KIDS.
>> YEAH.
NEXT TIME I'LL COME WITH MY TWO EGYPTIAN KIDS.
>> EXACTLY.
>> THE TWINS.
>> THE TWIN ARABS HOPEFULLY.
>> YEAH.
>> NO, THANK YOU, GUYS.
I APPRECIATE IT.
IT WAS AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOU, GUYS.
>> YES.
>> YEAH.
AND I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING
I JUST WOULD SAY IS,
CAN YOU JUST PRAY FOR WHOEVER IS WATCHING THIS
AND JUST LEAD US OUT IN PRAYER?
>> YEAH, FOR SURE.
LORD, I THANK YOU,
GOD, FOR EVERY PERSON LISTENING RIGHT NOW.
HOLY SPIRIT, THANK YOU,
GOD, THAT THEY WEREN'T HERE BY ACCIDENT, GOD,
BUT THEY WERE HERE BY PURPOSE.
GOD, YOU BROUGHT THEM HERE FOR A VERY SPECIFIC
REASON, LORD.
I PRAY GOD, WHATEVER YOU CONVICTED THE LISTENER
WITH, GOD, ANY POINT THAT STOOD OUT TO THEM.
HOLY SPIRIT, I PRAY, GOD,
THAT YOU WOULD TURN THAT CONVICTION INTO
AN ACTION, LORD.
I PRAY, GOD, THAT THEY WILL TAKE THE NEXT STEP.
FOR THE MAN
THAT'S NOT LEADING HIS WIFE,
I PRAY THAT HE WOULD LEAD HIS WIFE.
FOR THE WOMAN, GOD,
THAT'S NOT HER HUSBAND OR SUBMITTING,
I PRAY THAT SHE WOULD
BEGIN HONORING HER HUSBAND.
FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE
WHO ARE DATING AND AN UNGODLY WAY,
I PRAY THAT
THEY WOULD REPENT, LORD.
I PRAY, HOLY SPIRIT, THAT EVERY LISTENER HERE TODAY,
GOD, YOU WOULD TAKE THEM TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF
INTIMACY WITH YOU OF A LOVE AND RELATIONSHIP
WITH YOU, GOD.
TAKE THEM FROM GLORY TO GLORY, FROM POWER TO POWER,
AND FROM STRENGTH TO STRENGTH IN
THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS.
AMEN.
>> AMEN.