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>> THIS IS NOT THE TYPICAL
SETUP FOR THE PODCAST,

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SO YOU GUYS CAN JUST
SAY WHO YOU ARE.

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>> HI, I'M JONATHAN,
REBECCA'S HUSBAND.

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>> AND WE'RE ALSO
JOINED WITH?

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>> JOSEPH Z.


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AND TOGETHER, WE ARE
WILD STALLIONS.

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>> THAT'S RIGHT.


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>> THAT'S BILL AND TED'S HUMOR.


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>> THAT'S ACTUALLY --


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THAT'S THE NEW
NAME OF THE PODCAST.

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>> YEAH, YEAH.


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>> I'M PASTOR
BRIAN GIBSON.

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GOOD TO BE HERE.


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>> GREAT TO HAVE YOU.


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>> IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE PASTOR
BRIAN WAS JUST SITTING

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OVER WHILE WE'RE DOING
SOME OTHER SHOWS

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AND REBECCA TEXTED
ME AND SHE'S LIKE,

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I REALLY LIKE WHO
JOSEPH BROUGHT.

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OF COURSE, JOSEPH IS A
LONGTIME FRIEND OF OURS.

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SHE'S LIKE, DO YOU
THINK HE'LL BE DOWN?

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SO I WENT DOWN
AND FOUND HIM.

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AND I JUST WROTE HIM
A NOTE ON MY PHONE,

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I WAS LIKE,


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HEY, WILL YOU BE ON THE
SHOW WITH US TODAY?

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HE'S LIKE, SURE.


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>> HE HAD NO IDEA
WHO YOU WERE.

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>> I THOUGHT HE WAS SECURITY.


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I'M LIKE, SO THE BOUNCER
WANTS ME TO BE ON THE SHOW.

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>> THE BOUNCER.


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>> HIS HEART, HE WAS DOWN
TO BE ON THE,

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YOU KNOW, THE BOUNCER SHOW.


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>> YEAH, I LOVE THAT SO MUCH.


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OKAY.


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SO FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T
HAVE ANY CONTEXT,

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THEY DON'T KNOW
WHO YOU ARE,

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JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT
OF WHAT YOU GUYS DO.

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WE'LL START WITH YOU.


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>> YEAH.


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I'VE BEEN PASTORING OVER


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20 YEARS NOW.


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MARRIED 25 YEARS.


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THREE KIDS.


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THREE CHURCH CAMPUSES
KENTUCKY, TEXAS.

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FIGHT FOR FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS

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AND TRAVEL SOME WITH
THIS GUY PROPHESYING.

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AND THAT'S WHAT I DO.


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>> COME ON, BROTHER.


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>> YEAH.


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>> WELL, I'M JOSEPH Z.


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I WORK IN THE CHURCH,


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THE GOVERNMENT, AND
THE MARKETPLACE.

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I HAVE A VISION TO RAISE
UP A MILLION

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TO REACH A BILLION.


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AND THAT'S A
MILLION DISCIPLES

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THAT'LL BE TRULY TRAINED,
CLEAR-EYED, CLEAR-MINDED,

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TO GO WIN A BILLION
FOR JESUS.

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I WANT TO LEAVE,
YOU KNOW, A LEGACY THAT WAY

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THAT WILL IMPACT
A BILLION SOULS

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THAT ARE SAVED FOR
THE KINGDOM BEFORE I'M DONE.

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AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE
THINGS WE DO IS WE MAKE

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DISCIPLES THROUGH MEDIA.


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SOCIAL MEDIA.


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OF COURSE, WE'RE A MAJOR
PART OF DAYSTAR.

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WE LOVE BEING
A PART OF THIS,

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AND WHAT GOD'S
CALLED US TO DO HERE.

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BUT, YEAH,
THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

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WE REACH OUT THROUGH MEDIA
AND I BELIEVE

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IN PROPHETIC JOURNALISM.


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THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE DO


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IN OUR MINISTRY.


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WRITE BOOKS, ALL THE STUFF,


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AND, YEAH, DO SOME
PROPHESYING WITH THIS GUY.

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>> AND HOW DID Y'ALL
GET CONNECTED?

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>> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT
I WAS GOING TO ASK.

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>> MET IN PRISON.


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[ LAUGHTER ]


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>> NO, WE HAD A MUTUAL,


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WE GOT A MUTUAL FRIEND


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THAT, UH, THIS GUY WASN'T --


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THIS GUY WAS LIKE
A BAPTIST GUY.

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>> THEY KNOW HIM.


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>> OKAY. YOU KNOW HIM.


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IT'S PASTOR GREG LOCKE.


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AND SO WHENEVER THE,
YOU KNOW,

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LIKE LOCKDOWNS
AND STUFF HAPPENED,

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LIKE I'M NOT CLOSING MY
CHURCH DOWN FOR ANYBODY

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BUT JESUS, RIGHT.


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IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT DOING IT.


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I'M NOT PLAYING
YOUR GAME, RIGHT.

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SO A LOT OF GUYS THAT WERE
FROM MY FLOW OF CHURCH

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WOULDN'T DO WHAT
I WAS DOING.

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BUT I KNEW ABOUT THIS CRAZY GUY
FROM TENNESSEE, RIGHT,

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AND I'M LIKE BRING ME THAT
NUTTY INDEPENDENT

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BAPTIST GUY FROM TENNESSEE.


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HE'LL FIGHT WITH ME
AGAINST THIS STUFF.

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AND SO WE TRAVELED
30 STATES TOGETHER

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PREACHING OPEN
UP THE CHURCH.

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AND HE WASN'T LIKE A
SPIRIT-FILLED BELIEVER

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AT THE TIME.


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HE WAS CHRISTIAN,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN,

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BUT DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE
GIFTS STILL OPERATING.

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AND SO HE GOT FILLED
WITH THE SPIRIT

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DURING THAT TIME
AND BECAME FRIENDS WITH Z.

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>> WOW.


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>> SO HE STARTED TELLING ME
LIKE Z IS A REAL PROPHET,

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YOU'LL LOVE HIM.


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UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU
NEED TO MEET THIS GUY,

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MEET THIS GUY.


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AND SO I GOT HIS
NUMBER ONE DAY

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AND I SENT Z
A PROPHETIC WORD.

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AND THEN HE SENT
ME ONE BACK.

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AND LIKE THEY
WERE BOTH RIGHT.

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I'M LIKE, HEY, THIS GUY
REALLY IS A PROPHET.

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>> IT WAS REALLY COOL.


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>> YES.


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SO WE BECAME
BUDDIES LIKE THAT.

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>> THAT'S GREAT.


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>> YEAH. IT'S LIKE PEN PALS.


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>> WE'LL SEND EACH OTHER LIKE
VOICE NOTES, YOU KNOW,

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WHERE WE'RE PROPHESYING
BACK AND FORTH.

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AND IT'S LIKE, MAN,


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THAT'S EXACTLY
WHAT'S GOING ON.

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THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED.


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AND LOCKE TOLD ME
ABOUT YOU AS WELL.

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I REMEMBER SEEING
VIDEO CLIPS OF YOU

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PROPHESYING TO PEOPLE
AND YOU'RE LIKE EATING OR

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SOMETHING AND YOU'RE
MINISTERING TO PEOPLE.

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IT DIDN'T MATTER.


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AND PEOPLE ARE JUST
LIKE FALLING OUT

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IN THE POWER AND I ENJOY
THAT STUFF.

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AND UM, I LIKE PASTOR BRIAN


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BECAUSE HE'S NOT RELIGIOUS,
BUT THERE'S

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A LOT OF POWER THAT COMES
THROUGH HIS MINISTRY.

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I MEAN PALPABLE
RESULTS-BASED POWER.

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IT'S NOT JUST FOR, YOU KNOW,
THE SHOW AND ALL THAT STUFF.

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NONE OF THAT IS A PART
OF HIS MINISTRY

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AND WHEN YOU GO TO
HIS CHURCHES,

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HE'S GOT THREE CAMPUSES.


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THEY'RE -- THEY'RE JUST
FILLED WITH POWER.

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AND IT'S -- THERE'S STRONG
MEN BEING RAISED UP

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IN YOUR CHURCHES.


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THAT'S ONE THING I NOTICED,


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AND A HEALTHY FLOW
OF THE PROPHETIC.

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AS A MATTER OF FACT,
HE, IN A CHURCH SETTING,

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IS KIND OF LIKE
A HEALTHY SHERIFF

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WITH PROPHECY.


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LIKE, HE KEEPS IT
IN ORDER AND THEN ALSO HAS

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HIGH-FUNCTIONING PROPHECY.


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I'M TALKING THIS STUFF
THAT'LL BLOW YOUR HAIR BACK,

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LIKE REALLY POWERFUL
THINGS HAPPEN IN HIS CHURCHES.

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SO I JUST REALLY ENJOYED
THE COMRADERY OF IT

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AND THE, I GUESS, JUST
THE PROPHETIC,

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YOU KNOW, PARTNERSHIP OF
IT WHERE WE CAN DO STUFF.

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WE JUST GOT DONE
WITH A CONFERENCE

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I PUT ON IN
DALLAS/FORT WORTH.

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AND, YOU KNOW, IT
WAS -- IT WAS SHOCKING.

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WE PROMOTED IT
FOR LIKE TWO DAYS,

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AND IT PACKED
OUT, LIKE OVERSOLD.

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WE ACTUALLY
QUIT PROMOTING IT.

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ALL THIS STUFF HAPPENED
AND PROPHET BRIAN CAME THERE

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AND SMOKED IT.


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LIKE, I'M TALKING HIS SESSION
BLEW THE PLACE UP.

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PEOPLE ARE STILL TALKING
ABOUT IT.

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AND SO IT'S FUN TO WORK WITH
PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELVES,

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THAT WHEN YOU GET TOGETHER
AND BEGIN TO DO THINGS,

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THAT IT REALLY IS A
KINGDOM CONNECTION

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THAT MAKES THE BODY OF CHRIST
LIVE AND GO HIGHER.

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>> DO YOU FEEL
LIKE, PASTOR BRIAN,

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THAT THERE WAS A MOMENT IN
TIME WHERE YOU FELT

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THE LORD CALL YOU INTO
PROPHETIC MINISTRY,

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OR DID IT JUST
START OPERATING IN YOU

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ORGANICALLY AS
YOU'RE A PASTOR?

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I'D LOVE TO HEAR
HOW THAT CAME ABOUT.

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>> YOU KNOW, I THINK
AS A KID,

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I WAS LIKE SENSITIVE,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

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YOU KNOW, LIKE THINGS,
I FELT THINGS DEEPLY.

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>> JONATHAN: YEAH.


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>> IT'S LIKE LIKE MY OTHER
BROTHERS WOULD BE LIKE

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GET OVER IT ALREADY, WHERE
I'M LIKE SUCK IT UP,

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YOU KNOW, ALL MALE HOUSE,
BUT I FELT THINGS DEEPLY.

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>> WOW.


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>> UH, BUT NOT TILL I
GOT SPIRIT-FILLED.

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I WASN'T RAISED IN THAT
KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.

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I GOT SAVED AT ABOUT 21.


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AND I GOT SPIRIT-FILLED.


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AND THEN WHEN I GOT
SPIRIT-FILLED

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THIS STUFF STARTED HAPPENING.


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LIKE, I WALKED
INTO THIS CLASS,

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I HAD AN INTRO TO WORLD
RELIGIONS CLASS, RIGHT,

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I WALK IN, I'M
LOOKING AROUND,

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IT'S AT A SECULAR
UNIVERSITY.

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AND THIS GUY IS
SITTING BY ME.

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I LOOK OVER AT HIM


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AND I THINK, THIS
GUY IS HINDU.

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AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN
GOD SPEAKS LIKE

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THUNDERS IN MY SPIRIT.


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AND HE SAID, NO,
HE'S A BUDDHIST.

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AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IS THAT?


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I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
IT WAS, RIGHT.

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AND SO LIKE NOW I WOULD SAY
SO YOU'RE A BUDDHIST?

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AND THAT'S HOW YOU START
LIKE PROPHETIC EVANGELISM

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OR SOMETHING.


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BUT THEN GOD WAS JUST
TEACHING ME, AND THE NEXT

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LIKE 30 MINUTES THE
PROFESSOR SAYS,

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WE HAVE A REAL TREAT.


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THERE'S A GUY HERE THAT'S
AN EPISCOPALIAN

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AND A ZEN BUDDHIST,


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WHICH YOU CAN'T BE AN
EPISCOPALIAN AND A ZEN BUDDHIST.

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THESE
THINGS DON'T WORK.

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THIS GUY THOUGHT HE WAS.


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HE'S GOING TO TALK
TO US TODAY.

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AND I'M LIKE, THAT WAS GOD.


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SO THAT STUFF STARTED AND
THEN I HAD TO FIGURE OUT

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HOW TO USE IT,


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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?


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>> HOW DID YOU FIGURE IT OUT?


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>> A LOT OF
TRIAL AND ERROR.

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RIGHT.


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SOME MESSES ALONG THE WAY.


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YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T START
PROPHESYING PERFECTLY.

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YOU DON'T START GIVING
WORDS OF KNOWLEDGE PERFECTLY.

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YOU'RE LIKE A KID
LEARNING TO RIDE A BIKE,

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AND YOU'VE GOTTA TRY.


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SO IT WAS JUST MINISTRY.


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AND SO I SAY WHEN PEOPLE
FIRST START HAVING

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THESE TYPE EXPERIENCES
OR OCCURRENCES,

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UM, THE KEY
FACTOR'S LOVE.

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FOLLOW AFTER LOVE.


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PAUL SAID THIS, FOLLOW
AFTER LOVE.

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DESIRE SPIRITUAL GIFTS.


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SO THERE'S LOVE, THEN
THERE'S DESIRE,

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ESPECIALLY THAT
YOU MAY PROPHESY.

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SO IF LOVE IS
YOUR MOTIVATION,

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IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.


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IT'S ABOUT THE PERSON


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YOU'RE PROPHESYING TO.


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>> JONATHAN: THAT'S GOOD.


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>> IT'S NOT ABOUT GETTING
ATTENTION OR BEING

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A SPIRITUAL GIANT.


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IT'S ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE.


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>> JOSEPH: SO GOOD.


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>> SO YOU GOTTA GET
THAT POSTURE.

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IF YOU WANT TO LEARN TO
PROPHESY, GET THE POSTURE,

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I'M HERE TO HELP THE
PEOPLE, NOT ABOUT ME.

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I DECREASE, HE INCREASES.


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WE'RE GOING TO HELP
THESE FOLK

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AND LET LOVE FLOW
THROUGH US.

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SO IF YOU'RE STARTING THAT, MY
ENCOURAGEMENT WOULD BE

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TELL PEOPLE YOU'RE
STARTING, RIGHT.

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SO YOU DON'T SHOW UP LIKE
I AM THE GREAT ELIJAH SENT.

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YOU KNOW, I AM MOSES.


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>> I AM THE GREAT OZ.


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YOU SAY, HEY, I'M JUST,
YOU KNOW,

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I'M TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO
OPERATE IN THE GIFTS

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OF THE SPIRIT,


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AND I SENSE
AND I FEEL THIS.

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WILL YOU HELP ME LEARN,


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TELL ME WHAT'S UP, IF
I'M RIGHT OR WRONG?

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THAT WAY YOU'RE
PROTECTING THEM

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AND YOU'VE PROTECTED YOU.


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AND HERE'S THE
DEAL WITH PROPHECY.

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I THINK THE GREATEST
PROPHETS THERE ARE,

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ARE RIGHT
90% OF THE TIME.

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>> JOSEPH: I AGREE.


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>> YOU AGREE WITH THAT, Z?


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>> I REALLY DO.


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WE SEE THROUGH A GLASS
DIMLY, PAUL SAID THAT

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AND LIKE THIS IS HIS ANOINTING.


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HE'S A TEACHER
AND A PROPHET.

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I'M NOT.


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BUT SO THE TEACH IS
IN THE AIR, BUT THAT

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GLASS IS ROMAN GLASS.


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>> JOSEPH: YES, IT IS.


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>> SO YOU GUYS, I MEAN
YOU'VE BEEN TO ISRAEL.

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YOU KNOW, WHAT'S UP.


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YOU'VE SEEN THAT ROMAN
GLASS SOLD AROUND.

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IT'S NOT LIKE
OUR GLASS, IS IT?

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IT'S THICKER.


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IT'S HARDER TO
SEE THROUGH.

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SO WE KNOW IN PART,


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WE PROPHESY IN PART.


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TAKE THAT KIND OF POSTURE,
BE HUMBLE, AND YOU CAN GROW.

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>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT CAME
TO ME WHEN YOU WERE

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SAYING THAT IS,


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SOMETIMES WE
PROPHESY IN PART,

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AND SO YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN
KNOW THE FULL PICTURE.

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THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE
TALKING TO MIGHT NOT

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EVEN KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YET,

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BUT IT'S A PIECE
OF THE PUZZLE.

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ONE THING I WAS
GOING TO ASK IS,

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DO YOU EVER FEEL LIKE THE LORD
SHOWS YOU SOMETHING,

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BUT YOU'RE
NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY IT

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TO THAT PERSON, OR HAVE YOU
EVER WALKED INTO IT

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WHERE YOU DID SAY IT, BUT
THE LORD IS SHOWING YOU THAT

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MAYBE TO
INTERCEDE INTO IT?

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HOW HAVE YOU LEARNED
TO DISCERN THE TWO?

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>> ALL THE TIME.


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YOU DON'T SAY EVERYTHING
YOU SEE.

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YOU SEE A LOT OF
THINGS YOU NEVER SAY.

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BECAUSE IF YOU SAY
ALL YOU SEE,

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YOU'LL DESTROY PEOPLE.


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GOD'S TEACHING YOU TO SEE.


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I MEAN, LIKE A LOT
OF PEOPLE GET SCARED.

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PROPHETIC MINISTRY AND
LIKE THE PROPHETIC

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MINISTRY IN OUR CHURCHES
IS NEXT LEVEL.

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AND IT'S NOT JUST ME.


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IT IS NEXT LEVEL, ISN'T IT, Z?


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>> IT REALLY IS.


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>> WE'RE GONNA GO VISIT,
I JUST DECIDED, REBECCA.

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WE'RE GOING DOWN TO VISIT.


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>> I'LL HAVE YOU OVER
FOR LIKE A PROPHETIC CONFERENCE

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WHERE I GOT SEVERAL OF
MY PROPHETIC FRIENDS IN,

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IF YOU
WANT TO SEE LIKE --

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>> ALL THE SCARY ONES?


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>> I MIGHT JUST SNEAK IN
ON LIKE A SUNDAY AND JUST --

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>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.


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>> WELL, THE WORD --


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SO THE WORD OF
KNOWLEDGE GETS SO CRAZY.

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LIKE SO CRAZY.


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BUT, UM, I THINK --


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>> JOSEPH: NOT CRAZY, THOUGH,
JUST BY DEFINITION.

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YOU MEAN LIKE NAMES.


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>> RIGHT.


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>> JOSEPH: DETAILS.


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>> NAMES, WHERE YOU
GREW UP.

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STATE YOU'RE OUT OF, YOU KNOW.


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LIKE WHAT SEX YOUR BABY.


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I'M TALKING --


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>> JOSEPH: THAT'S WHAT
YOU MEAN BY CRAZY.

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>> LIKE ACCURATE.


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>> ACCURATE.


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>> PRECISE MIGHT BE
THE RIGHT WORD.

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PRECISE.
PRECISE PROPHETIC WORD.

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SO YOU CAN -- THAT GIFT'S
ALWAYS WORKING AND PEOPLE,

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YOU CAN GROW A MINISTRY
WITH THAT.

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YOU CAN ALSO SHRINK
A MINISTRY

00:10:09.734 --> 00:10:11.233
BECAUSE
PEOPLE GET TERRIFIED.

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THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE GOING TO DO

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WITH THAT GIFT AND THEY
THINK, YOU KNOW,

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IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW,
IT'S LIKE --

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YOU, THE LITTLE GIRL
IN THE FOURTH ROW,

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YOU KNOW,
STAND UP, YOU KNOW.

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IT'S LIKE THEY THINK
YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT

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TO THEM.


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WE DON'T DO THAT
TO PEOPLE RIGHT.

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WE HAVE -- WE'RE GOING
TO PROTECT YOU

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AND LOVE YOU.


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AND IF GOD SHOWS US
SOMETHING THAT NEEDS

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TO BE DEALT WITH LIKE THAT,
WE DO IT DISCREETLY

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AND IN PRIVATE.


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SO THERE'S JUST --
LOVE HAS TO BE

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THE MOTIVATION.


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>> AMEN.


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AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION
WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE WHO

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ARE LISTENING AND THEY
HAVE PROPHETIC GIFTING,

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WHAT ARE --


00:10:42.833 --> 00:10:43.900
WHAT IS SOME
OF YOUR ADVICE?

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WHAT ARE SOME YESES AND
MAYBE SOME NOS, LIKE DON'T

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DO THAT, THAT YOU SEE KIND
OF COMMON WITH YOUNGER PEOPLE

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THAT ARE
OPERATING IN THE GIFTS?

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>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, Z'S
LIKE A HIGH-LEVEL COACH

00:10:54.300 --> 00:10:56.133
OF THE PROPHETS.


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AND HAS THIS THING THAT
BRINGS, I THINK, SANITY

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AND STRUCTURE TO THE
PROPHETIC COMMUNITY.

00:11:01.367 --> 00:11:02.200
I THINK IT'S A
LOT OF HIS CALL,

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WHO HE IS.


00:11:04.400 --> 00:11:04.933
WHAT WOULD YOU --


00:11:05.033 --> 00:11:07.067
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, Z?


00:11:07.167 --> 00:11:08.000
I WANT TO BOUNCE
THAT OFF OF HIM

00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:09.000
BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR
WHAT HE SAYS.

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>> I THINK PROTOCOLS
IS A BIG PART OF IT

00:11:11.700 --> 00:11:13.534
WHERE TRAINING
IS IN ORDER.

00:11:13.634 --> 00:11:15.767
THE ONLY THING WORSE
THAN NO TEACHING

00:11:15.867 --> 00:11:17.700
IS BAD TEACHING.


00:11:17.800 --> 00:11:20.067
AND SO IF WE'RE GOING
TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE DEVELOP,

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YOU HAVE TO MODEL IT.


00:11:21.400 --> 00:11:22.766
YOU HAVE TO TRAIN THEM.


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AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAD --


00:11:24.366 --> 00:11:26.366
YOU NEVER HEAR OF
SCHOOLS OF THE TEACHERS.

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YOU NEVER HEAR OF
SCHOOLS OF THE APOSTLES.

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YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT
SCHOOLS OF THE EVANGELISTS.

00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.500
BUT THERE WERE SCHOOLS
OF THE PROPHETS

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AND THE REASON IS --


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>> IN THE BIBLE?


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>> YEAH, IN THE BIBLE.
YEAH.

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AND THE REASON THIS IS,
IS BECAUSE PROPHECY IS

00:11:39.700 --> 00:11:43.033
A POWER GIFT THAT ALTERS
PEOPLE'S SOUL.

00:11:43.133 --> 00:11:44.134
LIKE, IT REALLY --


00:11:44.234 --> 00:11:47.300
YOU CAN USE A SURGICAL
BLADE TO DO HEART SURGERY

00:11:47.400 --> 00:11:48.767
AND SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE,


00:11:48.867 --> 00:11:50.834
OR YOU CAN USE THAT
SAME SURGICAL BLADE

00:11:50.934 --> 00:11:53.633
TO DO HORRENDOUS THINGS
AND BE A MURDERER.

00:11:53.733 --> 00:11:54.667
>> REBECCA: YEAH.


00:11:54.767 --> 00:11:56.633
>> AND SO YOU GOTTA
CONSIDER THE GIFTING.

00:11:56.733 --> 00:11:58.534
AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT
PROPHET BRIAN'S SAYING

00:11:58.634 --> 00:12:00.900
WHEN HE'S TALKING
ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.500
YOU DON'T SHARE
THINGS YOU SEE ALL THE TIME

00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:05.533
AND ALL THAT BECAUSE
YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE

00:12:05.633 --> 00:12:07.067
A SET OF SKILLS
THAT ARE DEVELOPED.

00:12:07.167 --> 00:12:09.266
AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES,
BELIEVE IT OR NOT,

00:12:09.366 --> 00:12:11.867
IS PEOPLE SKILLS FOR PROPHETS.


00:12:11.967 --> 00:12:14.700
PROPHETS THAT CAN JUST STAND
PEOPLE UP AND KNOCK THEM DOWN,

00:12:14.800 --> 00:12:17.233
THEY CAN DO THAT AND I
THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.

00:12:17.333 --> 00:12:18.567
YOU KNOW, WE COULD BOTH
PROBABLY JOKE ABOUT THIS,

00:12:18.667 --> 00:12:21.367
BUT THERE'S, I CALL THEM
OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS,

00:12:21.467 --> 00:12:23.067
LIKE GUYS THAT'LL, COME
IN AND THEY'LL SAY

00:12:23.167 --> 00:12:24.533
I DON'T NEED ANY MUSIC.


00:12:24.633 --> 00:12:25.367
THAT MUSIC IS JUST --


00:12:25.467 --> 00:12:25.867
>> WHAT THE --


00:12:25.967 --> 00:12:26.767
>> YEAH.


00:12:26.867 --> 00:12:27.766
>> THAT'S THE DEVIL.


00:12:27.866 --> 00:12:33.000
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:12:33.100 --> 00:12:36.800
[ OVERLAPPING TALK ]


00:12:36.900 --> 00:12:40.667
>> I BIND YOU,
GO BACK TO THE PIT.

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>> REBECCA: THAT'S A FIRST.


00:12:41.800 --> 00:12:43.800
>> BUT YOU RECOGNIZE


00:12:43.900 --> 00:12:45.567
THAT IN THE
PROPHETIC IS MANY TIMES

00:12:45.667 --> 00:12:47.967
PEOPLE GET, YOU KNOW,
THEY'LL BE LIKE

00:12:48.067 --> 00:12:49.134
OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS.


00:12:49.234 --> 00:12:50.333
I'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS WHERE
A GUY WILL SAY

00:12:50.433 --> 00:12:51.567
I DON'T NEED ANY OF THAT MUSIC.


00:12:51.667 --> 00:12:52.300
THAT'S JUST SOULISH.


00:12:52.400 --> 00:12:53.066
I DON'T NEED THIS.


00:12:53.166 --> 00:12:54.167
I DON'T NEED THAT.


00:12:54.267 --> 00:12:57.300
AND THEN HE WILL READ
PEOPLE'S MAIL TO THE BONE

00:12:57.400 --> 00:12:58.900
LIKE WITH NO FILTER,


00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:00.766
NO CARE FOR THEM, NO
ANYTHING.

00:13:00.866 --> 00:13:03.866
AND I'VE SEEN A FEW MEETINGS
LIKE THAT AND I REALIZED

00:13:03.966 --> 00:13:05.200
I DIDN'T WANT TO
BE A PART OF THAT.

00:13:05.300 --> 00:13:06.334
I DIDN'T WANT TO
BE THAT WAY.

00:13:06.434 --> 00:13:07.667
WHEN YOU LOOK, THERE'S A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

00:13:07.767 --> 00:13:09.200
THE OLD TESTAMENT AND
THE NEW TESTAMENT,

00:13:09.300 --> 00:13:11.266
AND IT'S NOT A
BLANK PAGE IN OUR BIBLE.

00:13:11.366 --> 00:13:13.267
THERE'S THIS GUY WHO CAME
NAMED JESUS,

00:13:13.367 --> 00:13:17.166
AND HE CHANGED HOW
WE ACCESS THE FATHER.

00:13:17.266 --> 00:13:18.900
AND THAT APPLIES TO THE GIFTS.


00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.367
THAT APPLIES TO
PROPHETS AND ALL OF IT.

00:13:21.467 --> 00:13:23.900
>> WAIT, CAN SOMEONE
GET THAT THING OUT OF HERE?

00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.734
>> IT NEEDS TO BE
MINISTERED TO.

00:13:25.834 --> 00:13:26.834
>> YEAH.


00:13:26.934 --> 00:13:27.600
>> THAT THING IS OUT
OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION.

00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:30.067
>> SOMEONE KILL IT.


00:13:30.167 --> 00:13:33.867
>> IT'S ON TOP OF THE LENS.


00:13:33.967 --> 00:13:35.934
>> THIS IS GOING TO
BE A GREAT OUTTAKE.

00:13:36.034 --> 00:13:37.000
>> TV BLOOPERS, FOR SURE.


00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:38.100
>> THIS IS THE BEST
BLOOPER WE'VE EVER HAD.

00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:43.434
>> THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST,
FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE.

00:13:43.534 --> 00:13:44.666
>> I LIKED THE STALLIONS.


00:13:44.766 --> 00:13:45.533
I WAS LIKE, THAT'S
THE NEW NAME.

00:13:45.633 --> 00:13:49.500
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:51.000
>> WE'LL SEND A GROUP TEXT
AFTER WITH THAT NAME.

00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:53.300
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:13:53.400 --> 00:13:55.267
>> ALL RIGHT, ESTER, JUST
COUNT US IN WHEN WE'RE GOOD.

00:13:55.367 --> 00:13:56.467
YOU JUST CONTINUE
WITH YOUR THOUGHTS.

00:13:56.567 --> 00:13:59.800
>> OKAY. GREAT.


00:13:59.900 --> 00:14:01.567
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE
EVERYTHING'S CLEAR.

00:14:01.667 --> 00:14:03.434
>> THAT WAS THE BEST
PART OF THE PODCAST.

00:14:03.534 --> 00:14:05.700
>> I KNOW. YEAH.


00:14:05.800 --> 00:14:07.800
>> I WOULD LEAVE IT ALL IN.


00:14:07.900 --> 00:14:08.900
>> I LOVE THAT
KIND OF STUFF, TOO.

00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.467
ARE WE GOOD?


00:14:10.567 --> 00:14:11.533
ALL RIGHT.


00:14:11.633 --> 00:14:12.400
JUST COUNT HIM BACK IN,


00:14:12.500 --> 00:14:13.267
AND THEN YOU CAN JUST
TAKE IT AWAY

00:14:13.367 --> 00:14:14.400
FROM WHEREVER YOU WERE.


00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:15.834
>> OKAY.


00:14:15.934 --> 00:14:20.367
AND SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE
MODELED IS THE NEW TESTAMENT,

00:14:20.467 --> 00:14:21.400
NEW COVENANT VERSION.


00:14:21.500 --> 00:14:24.000
YOU KNOW, IT SAYS IN
HEBREWS, LIKE CHAPTER 7,

00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:26.200
IF THE PRIESTHOOD CHANGES,


00:14:26.300 --> 00:14:28.033
THEN THE LAW HAS TO CHANGE.


00:14:28.133 --> 00:14:29.400
AND SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED
IS WE'RE UNDER

00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:31.300
A DIFFERENT COVENANT TODAY.


00:14:31.400 --> 00:14:33.700
AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS
EVEN THE GIFTS,

00:14:33.800 --> 00:14:35.833
THE WAY WE FUNCTION,
SAME HOLY SPIRIT,

00:14:35.933 --> 00:14:37.300
SAME GOD ALMIGHTY.


00:14:37.400 --> 00:14:40.534
BUT NOW CHRIST JESUS IS
HERE AND WHEN WE PROPHESY,

00:14:40.634 --> 00:14:42.300
WE NEED TO CARE
FOR HIS BODY.

00:14:42.400 --> 00:14:44.067
WE NEED TO CARE
FOR PEOPLE.

00:14:44.167 --> 00:14:45.233
YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE
THINK THAT PROPHECY

00:14:45.333 --> 00:14:46.834
IS JUST ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW,


00:14:46.934 --> 00:14:48.534
GOING AT PEOPLE
AND REALLY JUST

00:14:48.634 --> 00:14:50.134
SHARP, ACCURATE AND
DOING THINGS,

00:14:50.234 --> 00:14:52.000
BUT REALLY, EPHESIANS
4:11 AND 12,

00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:54.767
IT GETS INTO IT AND IT
SAYS IT'S FOR EDIFYING

00:14:54.867 --> 00:14:55.967
AND EQUIPPING.


00:14:56.067 --> 00:14:57.367
THAT IS WHAT
WE'RE REALLY HERE FOR,

00:14:57.467 --> 00:14:58.400
AS OFFICE GIFTS.


00:14:58.500 --> 00:15:00.200
SO ANYWAY, I'M SAYING
ALL THAT TO SAY

00:15:00.300 --> 00:15:03.467
TRAINING PEOPLE, TO GO BACK TO
YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, REBECCA,

00:15:03.567 --> 00:15:06.900
TRAINING PEOPLE IS SO
NEEDED RIGHT NOW,

00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:08.633
SO THAT'S SOMETHING
I'M DEVELOPING.

00:15:08.733 --> 00:15:10.300
I'VE BEEN TALKING
WITH PROPHET BRIAN ABOUT IT,

00:15:10.400 --> 00:15:12.667
DEVELOPING A SCHOOL
OF THE PROPHETS;

00:15:12.767 --> 00:15:14.900
REALLY GETTING PEOPLE SO
THEY CAN HAVE

00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.133
HEALTHY PROPHECY WITH
GLARING ACCURACY,

00:15:18.233 --> 00:15:20.700
JUST WIELDING THAT
WEAPON PROPERLY.

00:15:20.800 --> 00:15:22.133
AND I'LL JUST ADD A
LITTLE MORE TO THIS

00:15:22.233 --> 00:15:23.500
AND THEN WE CAN KEEP GOING,


00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:25.167
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
YOU RECOGNIZE IS

00:15:25.267 --> 00:15:26.400
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT,


00:15:26.500 --> 00:15:28.600
AGABUS MISSED A POINT.


00:15:28.700 --> 00:15:29.500
HE DID.


00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:30.400
AND PEOPLE SAY
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

00:15:30.500 --> 00:15:31.767
YOU DON'T MISS
IF YOU'RE A PROPHET.

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AGABUS TOLD PAUL, YOU WILL
BE BOUND BY THE JEWS,

00:15:36.034 --> 00:15:37.766
BUT HE WAS BOUND
BY THE ROMANS.

00:15:37.866 --> 00:15:39.500
BUT THIS IS THE SAME
GUY THAT PREDICTED

00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:41.700
A FAMINE WAS COMING
IN ACTS CHAPTER 11.

00:15:41.800 --> 00:15:44.667
HE SAID A FAMINE IS
COMING, AND THE CHURCH

00:15:44.767 --> 00:15:47.566
RESPONDED TO THAT, SO
HE'S VERY ACCURATE.

00:15:47.666 --> 00:15:49.167
AND THEY RESPONDED
IN FAITH.

00:15:49.267 --> 00:15:51.300
BUT THE POINT I'M
MAKING IS REALIZING

00:15:51.400 --> 00:15:53.100
THE OLD TESTAMENT IS
DIFFERENT THAN THE NEW.

00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:54.900
AND THE WAY PROPHECY WORKS
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT,

00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.100
SAME SPIRIT, NEW APPLICATION.


00:15:58.200 --> 00:15:58.967
>> NEW COVENANT.


00:15:59.067 --> 00:15:59.934
>> NEW COVENANT.


00:16:00.034 --> 00:16:01.800
AND WHEN WE HAVE THAT
FOUNDATION RIGHT,

00:16:01.900 --> 00:16:02.867
THEN WE'RE GOING
TO TREAT PEOPLE

00:16:02.967 --> 00:16:04.167
THE WAY JESUS TREATS THEM.


00:16:04.267 --> 00:16:05.234
WE'RE GOING TO TREAT PEOPLE


00:16:05.334 --> 00:16:06.966
THE WAY THAT GOD ALMIGHTY
WOULD TREAT PEOPLE,

00:16:07.066 --> 00:16:09.233
AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FROM
THE SPIRIT OF FAITH.

00:16:09.333 --> 00:16:11.834
AND, YES, IF YOU GET A REBUKE
OR CALL THINGS OUT AND DO THAT,

00:16:11.934 --> 00:16:13.367
YES, THERE IS A
PLACE FOR THAT.

00:16:13.467 --> 00:16:15.533
BUT REALLY IT IS TO
BUILD UP AND EDIFY,

00:16:15.633 --> 00:16:17.866
AND THAT'S THE ETIQUETTE
WE HAVE TO TEACH

00:16:17.966 --> 00:16:18.966
UPCOMING PEOPLE THAT
WANT TO HEAR

00:16:19.066 --> 00:16:20.000
THE VOICE OF GOD.


00:16:20.100 --> 00:16:22.000
>> AND THE ONLY WAY THAT
YOU CAN RECEIVE THAT

00:16:22.100 --> 00:16:23.734
IS YOU HAVE TO SPEND
TIME WITH GOD.

00:16:23.834 --> 00:16:25.233
>> JOSEPH: YES.


00:16:25.333 --> 00:16:26.266
>> IN THAT
PLACE OF PRAYER

00:16:26.366 --> 00:16:27.500
YOU RECEIVE HIS
HEART FOR PEOPLE.

00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:28.500
>> JOSEPH: YES.


00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:29.400
>> AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE
THAT YOU ARE GOING

00:16:29.500 --> 00:16:30.867
TO DO MORE DAMAGE
THAN GOOD.

00:16:30.967 --> 00:16:31.967
>> JOSEPH: TRUE. YEAH.


00:16:32.067 --> 00:16:33.366
>> HOW DO YOU KNOW LIKE WHEN
TO SHARE SOMETHING

00:16:33.466 --> 00:16:34.767
VERSUS NOT TO SHARE SOMETHING?


00:16:34.867 --> 00:16:36.967
DO YOU FEEL THAT UNCTION
LIKE IN YOUR SPIRIT,

00:16:37.067 --> 00:16:37.967
LIKE, JUST HOLD OFF?


00:16:38.067 --> 00:16:40.200
LIKE, WHAT DO YOU --
HOW DO YOU KNOW?

00:16:40.300 --> 00:16:40.967
>> YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS


00:16:41.067 --> 00:16:42.200
THE SPIRIT OF THE PROPHETS


00:16:42.300 --> 00:16:43.934
IS SUBJECT TO THE PROPHETS.


00:16:44.034 --> 00:16:46.967
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
SAY ANYTHING, RIGHT?

00:16:47.067 --> 00:16:48.900
PEOPLE WILL BE LIKE,
GOD MADE ME DO THIS.

00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:50.267
I'M LIKE, YEAH, THE SPIRIT
OF THE PROPHET

00:16:50.367 --> 00:16:51.034
IS SUBJECT TO THE PROPHET.


00:16:51.134 --> 00:16:51.600
>> JOSEPH: YES.


00:16:51.700 --> 00:16:52.833
>> RIGHT?


00:16:52.933 --> 00:16:55.834
YOU CAN RELEASE OR
HOLD ON TO WHAT YOU HAVE,

00:16:55.934 --> 00:16:58.467
BUT YOU KNOW.


00:16:58.567 --> 00:16:59.266
LIKE I GO
BACK TO FOLLOW

00:16:59.366 --> 00:17:01.100
AFTER LOVE ALL THE TIME, RIGHT?


00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.600
WHENEVER I KNOW
I'M TO PROPHESY, I'LL FEEL.

00:17:03.700 --> 00:17:04.800
THAT'S THE
WAY IT WORKS WITH ME.

00:17:04.900 --> 00:17:07.967
I FEEL A DIVINE
FLOW OF LOVE.

00:17:08.067 --> 00:17:09.833
IT'S LIKE THERE'S LOVE
GOING TOWARDS THIS PERSON

00:17:09.933 --> 00:17:11.700
OR THIS
PERSON STICKS OUT

00:17:11.800 --> 00:17:13.333
IN A SPECIAL WAY.


00:17:13.433 --> 00:17:15.367
UH, SOMETIMES I'LL SEE
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW,

00:17:15.467 --> 00:17:17.366
I'LL SEE LIGHT ON THEM.


00:17:17.466 --> 00:17:18.400
I JUST KNOW.


00:17:18.500 --> 00:17:19.800
AND THEN SOMETIMES I
SEE THINGS

00:17:19.900 --> 00:17:21.900
AND I KNOW THAT I DON'T
HAVE A FULL REVELATION

00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:23.500
OF WHAT I'M SEEING YET.


00:17:23.600 --> 00:17:28.400
SO I TRY TO WAIT TILL
I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TO SAY.

00:17:28.500 --> 00:17:30.600
NOW THERE ARE TIMES
I KNOW NOTHING

00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:32.800
EXCEPT I'M TO PROPHESY
TO THIS PERSON

00:17:32.900 --> 00:17:34.200
AND I GO BY FAITH.


00:17:34.300 --> 00:17:35.300
>> JOSEPH: YES.


00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:36.433
>> AND I'LL SAY STAND UP,
I HAVE A WORD FOR YOU,

00:17:36.533 --> 00:17:38.833
AND WHEN THEY STAND UP,
THE WORD COMES.

00:17:38.933 --> 00:17:42.067
SO YOU PROPHESY IN
PROPORTION TO YOUR FAITH.

00:17:42.167 --> 00:17:44.266
ALL RIGHT. THE WAY YOU
BUILD YOUR FAITH UP

00:17:44.366 --> 00:17:47.633
IS THE -- IT REALLY IS
THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD.

00:17:47.733 --> 00:17:48.366
ALL RIGHT.


00:17:48.466 --> 00:17:49.367
MY PROPHETIC FLOW,


00:17:49.467 --> 00:17:50.800
THE MORE I READ THE BIBLE,


00:17:50.900 --> 00:17:53.300
THE MORE I LISTEN
TO THE BIBLE,

00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:54.900
THE MORE I'M AROUND
STRAIGHT BIBLE,

00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:56.833
THE STRONGER AND THE CRAZIER,
THE WORD OF KNOWLEDGE

00:17:56.933 --> 00:17:58.133
COMES IN MY LIFE.


00:17:58.233 --> 00:18:00.266
BECAUSE FAITH STARTS
WHERE THE WORD IS

00:18:00.366 --> 00:18:02.733
AND IF YOU DON'T
HAVE THAT, YOU CAN'T PROPHESY.

00:18:02.833 --> 00:18:03.700
>> JOSEPH: THAT'S RIGHT.


00:18:03.800 --> 00:18:04.700
>> OR YOU MIGHT
JUST BE FLOWING OUT OF

00:18:04.800 --> 00:18:07.767
A RAW GIFT, BUT THE
WORD WON'T BE BEHIND IT.

00:18:07.867 --> 00:18:08.900
>> JOSEPH: OH.


00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.233
>> YOU KNOW? A RAW GIFT WILL
WORK AND A RAW GIFT,

00:18:12.333 --> 00:18:16.933
EVEN A WRONG SPIRIT
CAN COME UPON A WRONG --

00:18:17.033 --> 00:18:17.767
A RAW PROPHETIC GIFTING.


00:18:17.867 --> 00:18:18.700
>> JOSEPH: YES.


00:18:18.800 --> 00:18:20.633
>> WHICH IS AN
ODD WAY TO EXPLAIN IT,

00:18:20.733 --> 00:18:22.833
BUT LIKE THE MEDIUMS AND THE
PSYCHICS, THEY PROBABLY ARE

00:18:22.933 --> 00:18:26.000
BENT WITH SOME NATURAL
BEND TOWARDS PROPHECY,

00:18:26.100 --> 00:18:27.700
RIGHT, AND A DEMONIC
SPIRIT FILLS.

00:18:27.800 --> 00:18:28.867
>> EXACTLY.


00:18:28.967 --> 00:18:31.033
>> I LOVE WHAT HE WAS
SAYING EARLIER ABOUT

00:18:31.133 --> 00:18:32.733
JESUS BEING THE PERSON.


00:18:32.833 --> 00:18:34.534
IT'S NOT A PAGE BETWEEN
THE OLD AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.

00:18:34.634 --> 00:18:35.233
IT'S A PERSON.


00:18:35.333 --> 00:18:36.300
>> COME ON.


00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:37.167
>> THAT'S A GREAT WAY
TO SAY IT.

00:18:37.267 --> 00:18:38.134
>> JOSEPH: THAT'S SO TRUE.


00:18:38.234 --> 00:18:40.367
>> I'M LEARNING STUFF
WHEN Z'S TALKING.

00:18:40.467 --> 00:18:42.100
OH, I REMEMBER I
WAS LIKE TICKED OFF.

00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:43.767
I WAS IN MY 20S.


00:18:43.867 --> 00:18:44.900
YOU EVER BEEN ANGRY?


00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:45.967
>> OH, YEAH.


00:18:46.067 --> 00:18:47.367
>> NO, NEVER.


00:18:47.467 --> 00:18:48.533
>> VERY ANGRY LIKE --


00:18:48.633 --> 00:18:50.066
>> YES, I'VE BEEN ANGRY.


00:18:50.166 --> 00:18:51.267
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:18:51.367 --> 00:18:53.166
>> KIND OF A YOUNG
MAN, RIGHT, AND I WAS

00:18:53.266 --> 00:18:55.434
TALKING TO MY PASTOR AND
I'M LIKE JOHN THE BAPTIST

00:18:55.534 --> 00:18:57.967
WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH THIS
CRAP, YOU KNOW.

00:18:58.067 --> 00:18:59.134
AND HE'S LIKE, BRIAN --


00:18:59.234 --> 00:19:00.667
I DON'T KNOW I CAN
SAY THAT ON HERE, I'M SORRY.

00:19:00.767 --> 00:19:01.667
>> REBECCA: NO, YOU CAN.


00:19:01.767 --> 00:19:02.667
>> OKAY.


00:19:02.767 --> 00:19:05.134
SO BRIAN IS LIKE --
OR HE'S LIKE, BRIAN,

00:19:05.234 --> 00:19:07.700
DO YOU WANT TO BE
JOHN THE BAPTIST

00:19:07.800 --> 00:19:09.366
OR DO YOU WANT TO BE JESUS?


00:19:09.466 --> 00:19:10.467
>> SO GOOD.


00:19:10.567 --> 00:19:12.500
>> AND I'M LIKE, I WANT
TO BE JOHN THE BAPTIST

00:19:12.600 --> 00:19:13.767
RIGHT NOW. NO.


00:19:13.867 --> 00:19:15.033
I'M LIKE, BUT HE WAS
SAYING YOU DO IT,

00:19:15.133 --> 00:19:17.166
BUT YOU DO IT
WITH A SPIRIT OF JESUS, RIGHT.

00:19:17.266 --> 00:19:18.500
LIKE WHENEVER
YOU'RE CORRECTING,

00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:19.666
WHENEVER YOU'RE
PROPHESYING,

00:19:19.766 --> 00:19:21.433
WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING,
NEEDS TO COME TO THE PERSON.

00:19:21.533 --> 00:19:23.500
>> AND I THINK A GREAT
FILTER TOO FOR PEOPLE THAT

00:19:23.600 --> 00:19:25.667
ARE WATCHING THAT ARE
WONDERING IS WHAT

00:19:25.767 --> 00:19:28.434
JOSEPH JUST SAID,
IS THIS GOING TO

00:19:28.534 --> 00:19:31.100
EDIFY AND EQUIP,
BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT

00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:32.767
GOING TO DO
ONE OF THOSE THINGS,

00:19:32.867 --> 00:19:34.533
MAYBE YOU JUST
SHOULDN'T SAY IT.

00:19:34.633 --> 00:19:37.334
MAYBE THE LORD IS SHOWING
YOU SOMETHING TO PRAY INTO

00:19:37.434 --> 00:19:38.700
OR TO STEWARD.


00:19:38.800 --> 00:19:39.566
>> YEAH.


00:19:39.666 --> 00:19:40.800
>> WELL, THIS HAS
HAPPENED TO US.

00:19:40.900 --> 00:19:43.600
THIS IS WHY I THINK
WE'RE ASKING IT IS BECAUSE

00:19:43.700 --> 00:19:45.334
WE'VE HAD MOMENTS WHEN
WE'VE MADE THIS MISTAKE

00:19:45.434 --> 00:19:46.867
WHERE GOD HAS
SHOWED US SOMETHING.

00:19:46.967 --> 00:19:49.300
>> JONATHAN: DON'T BE THIS
VULNERABLE, REBECCA.

00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.400
>> WE'VE ALL BEEN.
NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR IT.

00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:54.967
>> IN OUR PASSION
WE WERE LIKE, DO, DO, DO, DO,

00:19:55.067 --> 00:19:56.900
AND IT JUST DAMAGES
THE PERSON OR THE SITUATION.

00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.433
AND YOU'RE LIKE, OOH.


00:19:58.533 --> 00:19:59.100
>> OH, WAIT.


00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:01.000
BUT GOD SHOWED ME THAT.


00:20:01.100 --> 00:20:03.467
BUT THEN WE HAD
LEARNED THE LESSON,

00:20:03.567 --> 00:20:05.400
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE
SUPPOSED TO DELIVER IT.

00:20:05.500 --> 00:20:06.466
>> YOU GUYS, LIKE


00:20:06.566 --> 00:20:07.567
I WAS PASTORING, BELIEVE
IT OR NOT AT ONE TIME --

00:20:07.667 --> 00:20:08.167
>> THAT'S TERRIBLE.


00:20:08.267 --> 00:20:08.866
>> YEAH, YEAH.


00:20:08.966 --> 00:20:10.167
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:20:10.267 --> 00:20:12.534
>> IT'S A SPECIAL GRACE
FOR PROPHETS WHO PASTOR,

00:20:12.634 --> 00:20:14.034
BUT I WAS DOING
SOME COUNSELING

00:20:14.134 --> 00:20:15.300
WITH THIS COUPLE ONE TIME,


00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:16.800
AND THEY CAME IN
AND THEY WERE LIKE,

00:20:16.900 --> 00:20:19.333
YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS
SAY YOU HOLD STUFF BACK.

00:20:19.433 --> 00:20:21.134
AND THEY SAID, WOULD YOU PLEASE?


00:20:21.234 --> 00:20:22.034
NO, NO, REALLY.


00:20:22.134 --> 00:20:22.900
THEY WERE
PLEADING WITH ME.

00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:24.900
PLEASE, TELL US EVERYTHING.


00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:26.634
AND I WAS YOUNG AND
DUMB ENOUGH TO GO,

00:20:26.734 --> 00:20:28.367
OH, ALL RIGHT.


00:20:28.467 --> 00:20:29.833
AND SO I GOT A
WHITEBOARD OUT

00:20:29.933 --> 00:20:31.967
AND I DREW THEIR WHOLE
LIFE ON THE WHITEBOARD.

00:20:32.067 --> 00:20:34.133
AND, I MEAN, I LIKE PEELED
THEM LIKE AN ONION.

00:20:34.233 --> 00:20:35.500
AND WHEN I WAS DONE I WAS LIKE,


00:20:35.600 --> 00:20:36.434
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOOD?


00:20:36.534 --> 00:20:38.167
AND THEY WERE
LIKE WEEPING.

00:20:38.267 --> 00:20:40.467
AND THEY WERE
REALLY DAMAGED.

00:20:40.567 --> 00:20:41.534
>> OH, NO.


00:20:41.634 --> 00:20:42.533
>> AND I LEARNED AND
THERE'S A NUMBER OF TIMES

00:20:42.633 --> 00:20:43.600
LIKE THAT I'VE LEARNED


00:20:43.700 --> 00:20:45.400
YOU DON'T --
YOU DON'T DO THAT.

00:20:45.500 --> 00:20:46.233
AND THERE'S
A SAYING, YOU KNOW,

00:20:46.333 --> 00:20:48.634
MATURITY IS RESTRAINT.


00:20:48.734 --> 00:20:49.867
THAT'S A GOOD POINT.


00:20:49.967 --> 00:20:51.966
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN,
DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD, RIGHT?

00:20:52.066 --> 00:20:53.200
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE
IN THESE SPACES,

00:20:53.267 --> 00:20:54.967
THE BEST THING WE CAN
DO TO HELP PEOPLE

00:20:55.067 --> 00:20:56.567
IS LEAD THEM TO THE BIBLE,


00:20:56.667 --> 00:20:57.700
YOU KNOW, KEEP
RAISING THEM UP.

00:20:57.800 --> 00:20:58.900
THE BEST FORM OF DELIVERANCE


00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:00.866
IS ONGOING
HEALTHY TEACHING.

00:21:00.966 --> 00:21:04.100
SO YOU GET THAT FOUNDATION
THERE, BUT WITH PROPHECY,

00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.700
YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE WANT TO DO

00:21:06.800 --> 00:21:08.900
THE PULL A BUNNY OUT
OF A HAT TRICK FOR PEOPLE,

00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.567
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW,
AND PROPHET BRIAN

00:21:10.667 --> 00:21:12.800
COULD REALLY PROBABLY
DOVETAIL ON THIS,

00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:14.934
BUT WHEN YOU BEGIN TO GET
IN THAT SPACE OF

00:21:15.034 --> 00:21:16.300
I WANT TO WOW THE PEOPLE,


00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:18.433
OR I WANT TO WOW
PEOPLE WITH MY GIFT,

00:21:18.533 --> 00:21:21.167
THAT IS, I THINK, SOMETHING
THAT THE LORD NEEDS TO

00:21:21.267 --> 00:21:24.900
GRIND OUT OF A PROPHET OR
SOMEBODY IN THAT SPACE.

00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.666
BECAUSE THEN HE CAN REALLY
TRUST YOU WITH IT,

00:21:27.766 --> 00:21:29.600
WHERE IF YOU'RE TRYING
TO PULL BUNNIES OUT OF A HAT

00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:30.700
TO SAY LOOK
WHAT I CAN DO,

00:21:30.800 --> 00:21:31.767
LOOK WHAT I CAN DO,
LOOK WHAT I CAN DO,

00:21:31.867 --> 00:21:33.934
AND NOT THAT
THAT'S EVIL OR WRONG,

00:21:34.034 --> 00:21:36.400
BUT IF THAT STARTS
TO MOVE YOU, YOU KNOW,

00:21:36.500 --> 00:21:38.166
BECAUSE YOU WANT THE
ROAR OF THE PEOPLE,

00:21:38.266 --> 00:21:41.634
IT WILL, UM -- I KNOW
THAT THE LORD SENT ME

00:21:41.734 --> 00:21:45.700
TO THE BACK 40 FOR
TWO AND A HALF YEARS,

00:21:45.800 --> 00:21:47.300
AND JUST CHISELED
ON ME.

00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.000
AND I REALLY MEAN
THAT SINCERELY LIKE

00:21:49.100 --> 00:21:50.334
HE'S LIKE, YOU SIT DOWN.


00:21:50.434 --> 00:21:51.600
IF YOU CAN HEAR MY VOICE,


00:21:51.700 --> 00:21:53.467
YOU KNOW, I'M TELLING
YOU TO SIT DOWN.

00:21:53.567 --> 00:21:54.467
AND I DID.


00:21:54.567 --> 00:21:55.800
I SAT FOR TWO AND
A HALF YEARS

00:21:55.900 --> 00:21:58.366
JUST NOT KNOWING WHAT HE
WANTED ME TO DO NEXT.

00:21:58.466 --> 00:21:59.900
AND I HAD TO SIT.


00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.833
AND I WATCHED ALL OF OUR
LIKE FOLLOWERS

00:22:01.933 --> 00:22:04.033
AND PARTNERS, EVERYTHING
JUST WENT AWAY.

00:22:04.133 --> 00:22:06.200
AND I WAS NOT ALLOWED
TO ACTIVATE THAT

00:22:06.300 --> 00:22:08.500
AND I JUST SAT
AND SAT AND SAT.

00:22:08.600 --> 00:22:09.633
>> AND TRUSTED GOD.


00:22:09.733 --> 00:22:10.400
>> OH.


00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:11.200
>> YOU HAD TO TRUST GOD.


00:22:11.300 --> 00:22:12.367
>> OH.


00:22:12.467 --> 00:22:13.966
AND WE WENT THROUGH
ALL KINDS OF TRIALS

00:22:14.066 --> 00:22:16.700
THAT ARE JUST EXCEEDINGLY
PAINFUL THINGS

00:22:16.800 --> 00:22:17.900
THAT WE WENT THROUGH.


00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.400
I KNOW PROPHET BRIAN'S
BEEN THROUGH THE MEAT GRINDER,

00:22:19.500 --> 00:22:20.733
BUT THE REASON
THAT GOD DOES THAT,

00:22:20.833 --> 00:22:23.700
NOT BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO
PUNISH YOU, HURT YOU, ALL THAT,

00:22:23.800 --> 00:22:26.833
BUT IF THERE'S A TRUE
PROPHETIC ANOINTING ON YOU,

00:22:26.933 --> 00:22:32.433
THERE IS GOING TO BE
SOME VERY SERIOUS REFINING.

00:22:32.533 --> 00:22:34.934
SO WHEN THE VOICE OF GOD
COMES OUT OF YOU

00:22:35.034 --> 00:22:36.533
WITH THAT SPIRIT OF FAITH,


00:22:36.633 --> 00:22:38.633
AND YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR GOD,


00:22:38.733 --> 00:22:41.600
YOU BETTER BE ON POINT AND
IT BETTER BE ABOUT

00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:44.700
LOVING THE PEOPLE, AND I'LL
SHARE THIS ONE LITTLE POINT.

00:22:44.800 --> 00:22:46.033
YEARS AND YEARS AGO,


00:22:46.133 --> 00:22:47.100
I WAS IN MEETINGS
WHERE I WAS

00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.366
YOU KNOW, JUST PROPHESYING
ONE AFTER ANOTHER,

00:22:48.466 --> 00:22:49.800
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, RIGHT,
ONE AFTER ANOTHER.

00:22:49.900 --> 00:22:52.967
BOOM, BOOM, BOOM,
BOOM, BOOM, BOOM.

00:22:53.067 --> 00:22:54.667
AND I HAD PEOPLE COME TO
ME AND SAY, I'VE NEVER SEEN

00:22:54.767 --> 00:22:57.200
ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LIKE
THAT'S JUST SO AMAZING.

00:22:57.300 --> 00:22:59.133
HOW DO YOU DO
THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW.

00:22:59.233 --> 00:23:00.534
AND I THOUGHT, MAN, THAT'S
PRETTY GOOD.

00:23:00.634 --> 00:23:01.667
THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.


00:23:01.767 --> 00:23:03.267
AND THEN THE SPIRITUAL
FATHER LOOKED AT ME

00:23:03.367 --> 00:23:06.166
AND HE'S LIKE, BUT I'M SO
NOT IMPRESSED WITH YOU.

00:23:06.266 --> 00:23:07.700
I WAS LIKE, WHAT?


00:23:07.800 --> 00:23:09.634
AND I THOUGHT I WAS
DOING GOOD,

00:23:09.734 --> 00:23:10.734
LIKE YOU LIKE, HUG ME
AND THEN SLAP ME.

00:23:10.834 --> 00:23:12.467
WHAT IS THIS?


00:23:12.567 --> 00:23:16.000
AND WHEN IT WAS OVER WITH
HE SAID, YOU ARE NO GOOD AT THIS

00:23:16.100 --> 00:23:19.366
UNTIL YOU LET GOD
LOVE PEOPLE THROUGH YOU,

00:23:19.466 --> 00:23:21.100
YOU KNOW, AS IF
YOU ARE JESUS,

00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:22.000
YOU KNOW, LOVING THEM.


00:23:22.100 --> 00:23:23.266
OF COURSE WE'RE
NOT JESUS.

00:23:23.366 --> 00:23:26.166
I'M JUST SAYING WE LET THE
SPIRIT OF GOD LOVE THROUGH US

00:23:26.266 --> 00:23:29.234
AND THAT IS THE POINT
THAT YOU HAVE TO GET TO.

00:23:29.334 --> 00:23:31.233
AND THAT INCLUDES
WHEN YOU REBUKE.

00:23:31.333 --> 00:23:32.934
BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN TIMES
I'VE POINTED AT PEOPLE

00:23:33.034 --> 00:23:34.634
ON A BALCONY AND
THE LORD WILL SAY

00:23:34.734 --> 00:23:36.733
YOU TELL THIS MAN STOP
WHAT HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW

00:23:36.833 --> 00:23:38.766
OR HE'S GOING TO DIE.


00:23:38.866 --> 00:23:41.167
AND THOSE THINGS COME,
THOUGH OUT OF A PLACE OF LOVE

00:23:41.267 --> 00:23:43.200
RATHER THAN A PLACE
OF I'M GOING TO REALLY,

00:23:43.300 --> 00:23:44.400
YOU KNOW, SAY THIS.


00:23:44.500 --> 00:23:46.200
SO ANYWAY, I THOUGHT
I'D JUST SHARE.

00:23:46.300 --> 00:23:47.466
>> YEAH.


00:23:47.566 --> 00:23:49.634
THE TEMPTATION
IS ALWAYS THERE

00:23:49.734 --> 00:23:51.967
IF A PROPHET HAS
A STRONG GIFT,

00:23:52.067 --> 00:23:53.733
TO WOW THE PEOPLE WITH IT.


00:23:53.833 --> 00:23:56.000
>> JOSEPH: AND THERE'S
A PLACE FOR IT.

00:23:56.100 --> 00:23:57.467
>> WELL, THE WORD OF KNOWLEDGE
GETS THEIR ATTENTION, RIGHT?

00:23:57.567 --> 00:23:59.167
AND SO PAUL WROTE IT,


00:23:59.267 --> 00:24:01.833
THAT THEY'LL COME IN
THE CHURCH, BE ALL PROPHECY.

00:24:01.933 --> 00:24:03.934
THE UNBELIEVER WILL COME
IN AND BE CONVINCED

00:24:05.667 --> 00:24:06.633
>> SAY TRULY
GOD IS AMONG YOU.

00:24:06.733 --> 00:24:07.634
>> JOSEPH: THAT'S RIGHT.


00:24:07.734 --> 00:24:08.534
>> HE'S TALKING ABOUT
WORD OF KNOWLEDGE.

00:24:08.634 --> 00:24:09.533
IT'LL PEEL THE PAINT
OFF THE WALLS.

00:24:09.633 --> 00:24:10.600
THERE'S A PLACE FOR IT.


00:24:10.700 --> 00:24:13.033
YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL
BECAUSE LIKE ANYTHING,

00:24:13.133 --> 00:24:15.933
WHEN YOU START HAVING
SUCCESS IN IT, RIGHT,

00:24:16.033 --> 00:24:18.600
THERE'S A FLESHLY APPETITE
THAT WANTS TO DO THAT.

00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:20.967
AND YOU CAN WANT TO
DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

00:24:21.067 --> 00:24:23.300
AND IF YOU HAVE THAT GIFT,
YOU CAN WALK UP

00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:25.800
AND WANT TO JUST LOOSE IT


00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:28.333
EVERY TIME YOU TAKE
A MIC OR A PULPIT

00:24:28.433 --> 00:24:30.833
WHERE MAYBE GOD'S TRYING TO
TEACH PEOPLE SOMETHING.

00:24:30.933 --> 00:24:32.333
HE'S GOT THIS LITTLE
THING CALLED THE BIBLE

00:24:32.433 --> 00:24:34.600
HE LIKES TO OPEN UP,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN,

00:24:34.700 --> 00:24:35.833
INSTRUCT PEOPLE WITH.


00:24:35.933 --> 00:24:38.867
SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO KEEP
THAT CRUCIFIED.

00:24:38.967 --> 00:24:40.067
>> JOSEPH: SO GOOD.


00:24:40.167 --> 00:24:43.233
>> ESPECIALLY AS IT GROWS,
PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW

00:24:43.333 --> 00:24:45.866
WHEN THEY SEE PROPHETS
OPERATING LIKE THAT,

00:24:45.966 --> 00:24:48.267
MY PROPHETIC MENTOR
PROBABLY HAS

00:24:48.367 --> 00:24:50.133
THE STRONGEST WORD
OF KNOWLEDGE GIFT

00:24:50.233 --> 00:24:51.033
I'VE EVER SEEN ANYWHERE.


00:24:51.133 --> 00:24:52.133
>> JOSEPH: LEGENDARY, ACTUALLY.


00:24:52.233 --> 00:24:54.066
>> LEGENDARY WORD OF
KNOWLEDGE GIFT.

00:24:54.166 --> 00:24:57.967
SO I'LL BE TRAVELING WITH HIM
AND LIKE HE'LL BE THIRSTY.

00:24:58.067 --> 00:25:01.367
WE CAN'T GET A STEWARDESS'
ATTENTION AND HE'LL BE LIKE,

00:25:01.467 --> 00:25:05.666
MARIA, DAUGHTER OF REBECCA
MARRIED TO ALFONSO,

00:25:05.766 --> 00:25:07.033
BRING ME A WATER.


00:25:07.133 --> 00:25:08.467
AND THEY'LL BE LIKE,
WHO ARE YOU?

00:25:08.567 --> 00:25:09.233
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?


00:25:09.333 --> 00:25:10.733
IT'S LIKE, IT DOES NOT MATTER.


00:25:10.833 --> 00:25:11.800
I'M THIRSTY.


00:25:11.900 --> 00:25:13.200
BRING ME THE WATER.


00:25:13.300 --> 00:25:14.367
AND THEN HE'LL
MINISTER TO THEM LATER.

00:25:14.467 --> 00:25:16.066
BUT HE OPERATES LIKE THAT.


00:25:16.166 --> 00:25:19.967
SO IT'S SUCH A CRAZY GIFT
AND NOW Z GETS

00:25:20.067 --> 00:25:20.933
LIKE THAT AT TIMES.


00:25:21.033 --> 00:25:22.400
A LOT OF US CAN GET
LIKE THAT AT TIMES

00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:24.700
THIS GUY LIVES
THERE ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

00:25:24.800 --> 00:25:25.600
ALL DAY EVERY DAY.


00:25:25.700 --> 00:25:27.066
AND SO TO TURN IT OFF


00:25:27.166 --> 00:25:28.300
YOU HAVE TO LIKE
TURN IT OFF.

00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:30.134
HE WATCHES MOVIES BECAUSE
HE'S JUST SEEING, HEARING,

00:25:30.234 --> 00:25:31.033
ALL THE TIME.


00:25:31.133 --> 00:25:31.866
HE'S IN THE -- YOU KNOW,


00:25:31.966 --> 00:25:33.133
HE'S ALWAYS IN
THE HEAVENS.

00:25:33.233 --> 00:25:35.467
IT'S LIKE COME, COME PLAY,
AND THE PLANE IS FLYING AWAY.

00:25:35.567 --> 00:25:36.300
THEY'RE NOT
GONNA WAIT ON US.

00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:37.466
IT'S LIKE, COME.


00:25:37.566 --> 00:25:38.967
YOU KNOW, HE'S
LOST ALL THE TIME.

00:25:39.067 --> 00:25:42.333
SO PEOPLE WANT TO
KNOW ABOUT THAT.

00:25:42.433 --> 00:25:44.434
THAT'S THE THING THAT THEY
WANT TO KNOW ABOUT

00:25:44.534 --> 00:25:45.067
ALL THE TIME.


00:25:45.167 --> 00:25:46.167
AND HE'LL ALWAYS STOP.


00:25:46.267 --> 00:25:47.267
AND THIS IS
HIS FAMOUS, YOU KNOW,

00:25:47.367 --> 00:25:49.467
HE'S FROM COLOMBIA,
BUT IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS.

00:25:49.567 --> 00:25:50.500
IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS YOUR --


00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:52.267
WHAT IS YOUR MOTIVATION?


00:25:52.367 --> 00:25:54.034
WHY DO YOU
WANT TO DO THAT?

00:25:54.134 --> 00:25:55.500
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE?


00:25:55.600 --> 00:25:56.934
WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION?


00:25:57.034 --> 00:25:58.933
WHY DO YOU WANT TO
KNOW THEIR NAMES?

00:25:59.033 --> 00:25:59.934
RIGHT?


00:26:00.034 --> 00:26:01.433
WHY DO YOU WANT TO
KNOW THEIR ADDRESSES?

00:26:01.533 --> 00:26:03.200
BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT
MINISTERING TO THEM

00:26:03.300 --> 00:26:04.500
AND LOVING THEM,


00:26:04.600 --> 00:26:05.700
NOT WOWING SOMEONE.


00:26:05.800 --> 00:26:07.433
>> NOT SOMETHING YOU
POCKET GLORY FOR YOURSELF,

00:26:07.533 --> 00:26:08.634
BUT GIVING GLORY TO GOD.


00:26:08.734 --> 00:26:09.300
>> JOSEPH: SO GOOD.


00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:10.533
>> BRIAN: THAT'S RIGHT.


00:26:10.633 --> 00:26:12.334
>> SO THAT'S WHY GOD BRINGS
YOU THROUGH THAT CHISELING

00:26:12.434 --> 00:26:14.133
BECAUSE HE WANTS YOUR HEART TO
BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

00:26:14.233 --> 00:26:16.700
NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE
PEOPLE, BUT FOR YOURSELF.

00:26:16.800 --> 00:26:19.000
>> AND HERE'S THE THING
WITH GIFTS, UNLESS YOU'RE

00:26:19.100 --> 00:26:20.900
THE MOST SEASONED PROPHET
OR WORD OF KNOWLEDGE GUY,

00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.066
A STRONG GIFT THAT'S
ALWAYS OPERATING.

00:26:23.166 --> 00:26:24.834
THEY STILL MAY
OPERATE IN THAT VERY HIGH

00:26:24.934 --> 00:26:27.000
AND IT'LL BE THERE FOR A
WHILE, AND FOR SOME PEOPLE,

00:26:27.100 --> 00:26:28.100
THEN IT'S NOT OPERATING.


00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:29.266
>> JOSEPH: THAT'S RIGHT.


00:26:29.366 --> 00:26:31.500
>> AND SO THEY START DOING
SOME KIND OF SHENANIGANS.

00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:32.800
>> REBECCA: YEAH.


00:26:32.900 --> 00:26:35.833
>> THAT'S THE ONLY TIME -- I
WOULD CALL THAT A FALSE PROPHET.

00:26:35.933 --> 00:26:36.934
THAT'S THE
FIRST FALSE PROPHET

00:26:37.034 --> 00:26:37.700
I'VE EVER MET.


00:26:37.800 --> 00:26:38.933
>> KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.


00:26:39.033 --> 00:26:40.734
>> AND I'VE MET
A LOT OF WRONG PROPHETS.

00:26:40.834 --> 00:26:42.100
>> YEAH.


00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:43.467
>> RIGHT? IT'S ONE THING TO BE
A WRONG PROPHET,

00:26:43.567 --> 00:26:46.000
YOU GOT SOMETHING WRONG.


00:26:46.100 --> 00:26:46.667
A FALSE PROPHET, I THINK,
IS SOMEONE THAT

00:26:46.767 --> 00:26:48.034
INTENTIONALLY DECEIVES.


00:26:48.134 --> 00:26:49.300
>> JOSEPH: YES.


00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:50.967
>> VERY DIFFERENT, RIGHT?


00:26:51.067 --> 00:26:51.767
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
THAT ARE WRONG

00:26:51.867 --> 00:26:52.667
GIVING A PROPHETIC WORD,


00:26:52.767 --> 00:26:54.333
GOOD PEOPLE TRYING
TO HELP SOMEBODY.

00:26:54.433 --> 00:26:54.967
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?


00:26:55.067 --> 00:26:56.133
>> JONATHAN: IT HAPPENS.


00:26:56.233 --> 00:26:56.966
>> IT HAPPENS
THEY'RE LEARNING.

00:26:57.066 --> 00:26:58.133
WHATEVER, IT HAPPENS.
IT'S LIFE.

00:26:58.233 --> 00:26:59.500
ALL RIGHT.


00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:01.567
THAT'S WHY IT'S WRITTEN IN
THE NEW TESTAMENT

00:27:01.667 --> 00:27:05.500
LET ONE PROPHESY,
TWO OR THREE JUDGE FOR SAFETY.

00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:06.866
UM, BUT THAT'S
A WRONG PROPHET.

00:27:06.966 --> 00:27:09.000
A FALSE PROPHET IS SOMEONE THAT
COMES TO MANIPULATE,

00:27:09.100 --> 00:27:12.867
TO GET GLORY FOR THEMSELVES, OR
MONEY OR SOMETHING SLEAZY,

00:27:12.967 --> 00:27:16.200
OR THEY JUST -- YOU KNOW, THE
GIFT ISN'T WORKING

00:27:16.300 --> 00:27:18.267
AND THEY'RE MANUFACTURING IT.


00:27:18.367 --> 00:27:20.833
SO THAT'S A PAINFUL
THING, BUT THAT

00:27:20.933 --> 00:27:23.666
UNWHOLESOME APPETITE
FOR ATTENTION GOT THEM THERE.

00:27:23.766 --> 00:27:24.933
YOU GOT TO KILL
THAT APPETITE.

00:27:25.033 --> 00:27:26.167
>> AND THE CHURCH IS
SO QUICK TO JUDGE,

00:27:26.267 --> 00:27:27.533
BUT JUST BECAUSE
SOMEONE ISN'T ALWAYS

00:27:27.633 --> 00:27:29.200
100% ACCURATE
DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO

00:27:29.300 --> 00:27:30.733
THROW THEM OUT
COMPLETELY,

00:27:30.833 --> 00:27:32.800
AND THAT'S WHERE
PEOPLE MAKE THAT MISTAKE.

00:27:32.900 --> 00:27:35.333
>> THEY THREW AGABUS
OUT FOR PROPHESYING

00:27:35.433 --> 00:27:37.433
THAT PAUL WOULD BE
BOUND BY THE JEWS,

00:27:37.533 --> 00:27:38.900
WHEN HE WAS BOUND
BY THE ROMANS.

00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.334
AND I KNOW IT'S
A MINOR THING,

00:27:40.434 --> 00:27:42.167
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO
HOLD THAT STANDARD

00:27:42.267 --> 00:27:43.267
THE WAY
A LOT OF PEOPLE DO,

00:27:43.367 --> 00:27:45.000
THEN AGABUS WAS
A FALSE PROPHET --

00:27:45.100 --> 00:27:45.933
>> REBECCA YEAH.


00:27:46.033 --> 00:27:47.067
>> IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.


00:27:47.167 --> 00:27:49.000
>> AND THAT'S WE HAVE TO
BE LIKE SOMEONE WHO'S JUST

00:27:49.100 --> 00:27:50.600
MADE A MISTAKE VERSUS
SOMEONE WHO'S FALSE.

00:27:50.666 --> 00:27:51.034
>> YES.


00:27:51.134 --> 00:27:52.133
>> YEAH.


00:27:52.233 --> 00:27:53.767
I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE
LOVE TO -- AND LISTEN,

00:27:53.867 --> 00:27:55.667
I'VE MET A WHOLE LOT MORE
FALSE PEOPLE THAN I'VE

00:27:55.767 --> 00:27:56.734
EVER MET FALSE PROPHETS.


00:27:56.834 --> 00:27:57.700
>> YEAH.


00:27:57.800 --> 00:27:58.833
>> GOOD WORD.


00:27:58.933 --> 00:27:59.967
>> THEY'RE LIKE WHY DID
MY WORD NOT COME TO PASS?

00:28:00.067 --> 00:28:01.234
THE PROPHET SAID IT.


00:28:01.334 --> 00:28:03.500
I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU GOT HIGH
FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

00:28:03.600 --> 00:28:05.066
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:28:05.166 --> 00:28:06.500
>> HE JUST WANTED BIG
MINISTRY AND ALL THAT.

00:28:06.600 --> 00:28:10.200
YOU'VE BEEN HIGH
AND DRUNK EVERY WEEKEND.

00:28:10.300 --> 00:28:11.267
>> THAT'S A GOOD THING, TOO,


00:28:11.367 --> 00:28:12.900
IS THAT SOME PEOPLE
WILL GET A WORD AND THEN

00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.067
THINK THAT IT'S JUST
GONNA AUTOMATICALLY HAPPEN,

00:28:15.167 --> 00:28:16.534
BUT IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO
STEWARD THE WORD

00:28:16.634 --> 00:28:17.834
OVER YOUR LIFE.


00:28:17.934 --> 00:28:20.200
YOU DON'T JUST LIKE HIDE IT AWAY
AND JUST CROSS YOUR FINGERS

00:28:20.300 --> 00:28:21.200
AND WAIT
FOR IT TO HAPPEN.

00:28:21.300 --> 00:28:22.133
>> YEAH.


00:28:22.233 --> 00:28:23.000
WELL, EVEN ELIJAH WAS
CALLED BY GOD

00:28:23.100 --> 00:28:24.300
TO FINISH A FEW THINGS.


00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:25.700
HE DIDN'T IN HIS LIFETIME.


00:28:25.800 --> 00:28:28.166
AND HE HAD THE WORD OF
THE LORD TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

00:28:28.266 --> 00:28:32.367
BUT IT TURNED OVER TO JEHU,
AND IT TURNED OVER TO ELISHA

00:28:32.467 --> 00:28:33.367
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO IT.


00:28:33.467 --> 00:28:35.300
SO THAT, AGAIN, JUST
GIVES THE PRECEDENT

00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.967
THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU
GET A WORD FROM GOD,

00:28:38.067 --> 00:28:39.634
IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S
AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO

00:28:39.734 --> 00:28:40.733
COME TO PASS.


00:28:40.833 --> 00:28:42.967
HE NEEDS COOPERATION AND
FAITH TO WORK WITH THAT.

00:28:43.067 --> 00:28:44.167
THAT'S A GOOD
POINT, REBECCA.

00:28:44.267 --> 00:28:45.167
>> THERE'S TWO THINGS I
WANT TO COVER

00:28:45.267 --> 00:28:47.167
BEFORE WE END TODAY.


00:28:47.267 --> 00:28:48.267
SO I'M GOING TO
JUMP IN --

00:28:48.367 --> 00:28:49.267
>> REBECCA: WE'RE ENDING?


00:28:49.367 --> 00:28:51.934
>> NO, BUT YOU KNOW,
RELATIVELY SPEAKING.

00:28:52.034 --> 00:28:54.734
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE

00:28:54.834 --> 00:28:55.600
WE STARTED ROLLING.


00:28:55.700 --> 00:28:56.833
>> JOSEPH: OKAY.


00:28:56.933 --> 00:28:58.867
>> AND THEN I ALSO WANT
TO GET INTO THE PROPHETIC TIME

00:28:58.967 --> 00:29:00.366
THAT WE'RE
LIVING IN RIGHT NOW.

00:29:00.466 --> 00:29:01.600
>> OKAY, JONATHAN.


00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:03.767
>> AS IT PERTAINS
TO ISRAEL BECAUSE REALLY

00:29:03.867 --> 00:29:06.800
THAT'S GOD'S TIME PEACE
AND AS WE LOOK AT ISRAEL,

00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:09.067
WE COULD SEE THE WORLD
EVENTS UNFOLD.

00:29:09.167 --> 00:29:10.334
>> BRIAN: YEAH.


00:29:10.434 --> 00:29:12.267
>> SO REMIND ME
WHAT THE THING IS.

00:29:12.367 --> 00:29:13.300
>> JOSEPH: YEAH, YEAH.


00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:14.667
I WROTE A BOOK CALLED,
<i>SPIRIT OF ELIJAH.</i>

00:29:14.767 --> 00:29:16.000
<i>THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH.</i>


00:29:16.100 --> 00:29:18.234
AND WHAT THE WHOLE
TOPIC ABOUT IT IS,

00:29:18.334 --> 00:29:20.800
IS REALLY GENERATIONAL
MERGING,

00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:22.633
BRINGING THE YOUNG
AND THE OLD TOGETHER;

00:29:22.733 --> 00:29:24.800
TURNING THE HEARTS OF THE
FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN.

00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:26.967
BUT THE REASON IS BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, I TALKED WITH A GUY

00:29:27.067 --> 00:29:28.867
NAMED GEORGE BARNA, RIGHT,
WE'RE HAVING THIS --

00:29:28.967 --> 00:29:29.733
>> BRIAN: YEAH.


00:29:29.833 --> 00:29:30.734
I'M DOING AN
INTERVIEW WITH HIM,

00:29:30.834 --> 00:29:32.733
I'M TALKING, AND I
STARTED ASKING HIM ABOUT

00:29:32.833 --> 00:29:36.367
GENERATIONAL CHANGES OR
MOVES OF GOD AND HOW

00:29:36.467 --> 00:29:38.700
THINGS START OUT GOOD, AND
THEN THEY KIND OF

00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:39.833
DON'T END GOOD.


00:29:39.933 --> 00:29:40.600
WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?


00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:41.567
>> IT HAPPENS A LOT.


00:29:41.667 --> 00:29:43.000
>> IT DOES. IT DOES.


00:29:43.100 --> 00:29:44.900
AND THERE'S SUCH A LACK OF


00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.600
PASSING THINGS ON PROPERLY TO
THE NEXT GENERATION,

00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:50.734
AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT I
COULD GET INTO WITH THAT,

00:29:50.834 --> 00:29:51.867
BUT THE SIMPLE
VERSION IS THIS.

00:29:51.967 --> 00:29:54.267
EVERY MOVEMENT OR
MINISTRY OR WHATEVER,

00:29:54.367 --> 00:29:56.033
STARTS OUT IN A
BIRTHING PHASE.

00:29:56.133 --> 00:29:58.666
SUPER EXCITING,
THEY'RE FIGURING STUFF OUT,

00:29:58.766 --> 00:30:01.133
AND THEN IT MOVES FROM
THERE TO A DEVELOPMENT PHASE,

00:30:01.233 --> 00:30:03.034
WHERE SUDDENLY THEY'RE
KIND OF FIGURING STUFF OUT,

00:30:03.134 --> 00:30:04.367
THEY'RE GROWING,
THEY'RE DOING STUFF.

00:30:04.467 --> 00:30:05.967
THEY'RE WALKING IN
A NEW REVELATION,

00:30:06.067 --> 00:30:08.334
LIKE A NEW WINESKIN
TYPE OF SCENARIO,

00:30:08.434 --> 00:30:09.966
SOMETHING NEW FOR THEIR
GENERATION.

00:30:10.066 --> 00:30:11.500
YOU KNOW, IT'S --


00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:13.567
YOU KNOW, WAVES THAT
COME HIT THE SHORE

00:30:13.667 --> 00:30:15.433
MIGHT BE A NEW FORM
OF A WAVE, BUT IT'S ALL

00:30:15.533 --> 00:30:16.567
THE SAME WATER, RIGHT?


00:30:16.667 --> 00:30:17.733
IT'S THE HOLY GHOST.


00:30:17.833 --> 00:30:19.133
BUT WHEN YOU'RE
LOOKING AT THIS,

00:30:19.233 --> 00:30:20.167
IT GOES FROM THAT,


00:30:20.267 --> 00:30:22.067
THEN IT FINALLY GETS TO
A POINT WHERE

00:30:22.167 --> 00:30:23.467
IT'S THE MATURE PHASE.


00:30:23.567 --> 00:30:27.433
SO YOU GO FROM BIRTHING,
INFANCY, TO DEVELOPMENT

00:30:27.533 --> 00:30:29.167
WHERE A REVELATION IS
REALLY GROWING,

00:30:29.267 --> 00:30:31.067
AND SUDDENLY YOU GET TO
A MATURE PHASE.

00:30:31.167 --> 00:30:33.566
NOW THE MATURE PHASE IS
THE MOST DANGEROUS PHASE

00:30:33.666 --> 00:30:37.100
FOR ANY MOVEMENT BECAUSE NOW
THEY HAVE THE TEMPTATION TO

00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.133
RATHER THAN LOOK TO THE
FUTURE, TO EMPHASIZE THE PAST

00:30:40.233 --> 00:30:41.533
MORE THAN THE FUTURE.


00:30:41.633 --> 00:30:43.100
THEY LOOK AND THEY TELL
STORIES ABOUT THE PAST

00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:44.567
MORE THAN THEY DO WHERE
THEY'RE GOING.

00:30:44.667 --> 00:30:46.100
WHEN THAT BEGINS TO HAPPEN,


00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:48.100
IT STARTS TO ARC
INTO DECLINE.

00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.633
AND WHEN IT GOES
INTO DECLINE,

00:30:49.733 --> 00:30:52.333
WHAT HAPPENS IS TYPICALLY
THE REVELATION THAT WAS

00:30:52.433 --> 00:30:55.566
FOUGHT FOR AND BUILT, COMES
TO THIS MATURE PHASE

00:30:55.666 --> 00:30:57.267
AND IT BECOMES
INSTITUTIONALIZED.

00:30:57.367 --> 00:30:58.400
WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT?


00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:00.867
I MEAN WHAT WAS ONCE A
LIVING, MOVING THING

00:31:00.967 --> 00:31:03.800
THAT GOD CALLED TO HAVE
IN THE EARTH

00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:06.134
TURNS INTO AN INSTITUTION,


00:31:06.234 --> 00:31:07.200
AND SAY WE HAVE ALL
OF OUR RULES.

00:31:07.300 --> 00:31:08.366
THIS IS WHY WE DO
WHAT WE DO,

00:31:08.466 --> 00:31:10.500
AND THAT'S NOT WRONG OR EVIL.


00:31:10.600 --> 00:31:14.700
BUT SUDDENLY IT JUST BECOMES
KIND OF CONCRETED THAT WAY.

00:31:14.800 --> 00:31:17.767
WHEN THAT HAPPENS
TYPICALLY DECLINE STARTS

00:31:17.867 --> 00:31:19.467
BECAUSE ALL OF IT
GETS TURNED OVER TO

00:31:19.567 --> 00:31:20.434
BOY INSTRUCTORS.


00:31:20.534 --> 00:31:22.333
I THINK 1 CORINTHIANS 4
TALKS ABOUT

00:31:22.433 --> 00:31:25.167
THOUGH YOU HAVE 10,000
BOY INSTRUCTORS,

00:31:25.267 --> 00:31:26.234
YOU HAVE NOT MANY FATHERS.


00:31:26.334 --> 00:31:28.967
THE GREEK CALLS THEM
BOY INSTRUCTORS.

00:31:29.067 --> 00:31:30.800
SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS,


00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.966
I BELIEVE GOD IS SAYING
IN THIS GENERATION

00:31:33.066 --> 00:31:35.867
WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT
AND BECOME STUDENTS OF,

00:31:35.967 --> 00:31:37.733
WHICH IS THE
SPIRIT OF ELIJAH,

00:31:37.833 --> 00:31:40.700
HOW DO WE MAINTAIN
A MOVEMENT,

00:31:40.800 --> 00:31:44.033
KEEP THE REVELATION ALIVE
AND DELIVER TO THE NEXT

00:31:44.133 --> 00:31:46.333
GENERATION WITHOUT SEEING
IT GO TO DECLINE

00:31:46.433 --> 00:31:47.633
AND COMPLETELY LOSING
EVERYTHING

00:31:47.733 --> 00:31:49.100
EVERYBODY FOUGHT FOR?


00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.467
AND THAT'S WHERE THE
SPIRIT OF ELIJAH

00:31:50.567 --> 00:31:52.067
COMES IN TO TURN
THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS

00:31:52.167 --> 00:31:53.567
BACK TO THE CHILDREN AND
THE CHILDREN

00:31:53.667 --> 00:31:55.167
BACK TO THE FATHERS.


00:31:55.267 --> 00:31:56.600
SO IN THAT MOMENT RIGHT AS
YOU'RE GOING TO

00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:58.066
BEGIN TO DECLINE,


00:31:58.166 --> 00:32:01.200
THERE'S A SCRIPTURE IN
PROVERBS 20, VERSE 29,

00:32:01.300 --> 00:32:02.434
AND IT SAYS THIS:


00:32:02.534 --> 00:32:03.800
IT SAYS THAT
THE GLORY OF YOUNG MEN

00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:05.200
IS THEIR STRENGTH.


00:32:05.300 --> 00:32:07.500
THE GLORY OF OLD MEN
IS THEIR GRAY HAIR.

00:32:07.600 --> 00:32:10.133
OKAY, I LIKE TO SAY
WHAT ABOUT NO HAIR?

00:32:10.233 --> 00:32:11.534
YEAH, YEAH.


00:32:11.634 --> 00:32:12.634
AND SO YOU ASKED
THE QUESTION,

00:32:12.734 --> 00:32:13.667
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?


00:32:13.767 --> 00:32:15.833
WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR
YOUNG MEN STRENGTH,

00:32:15.933 --> 00:32:16.833
OLD MEN GRAY HAIR?


00:32:16.933 --> 00:32:18.533
IT MEANS STRENGTH IS
EXCHANGED FOR WISDOM;

00:32:18.633 --> 00:32:21.200
WISDOM IS EXCHANGED FOR
STRENGTH AND ABILITY.

00:32:21.300 --> 00:32:24.666
AND WHEN WE GET THIS FIGURED
OUT AND THE HEARTS OF THE

00:32:24.766 --> 00:32:26.700
FATHERS ARE THE CHILDREN,
THE HEARTS OF THE CHILDREN

00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:27.967
OF THE FATHERS,


00:32:28.067 --> 00:32:29.967
THIS DECLINE WILL
NOT BE A DECLINE.

00:32:30.067 --> 00:32:31.933
IT WILL MAINTAIN
A REVELATION.

00:32:32.033 --> 00:32:33.634
IT MAY NOT LOOK
LIKE THE FATHERS

00:32:33.734 --> 00:32:34.967
WHO PLANTED IT,


00:32:35.067 --> 00:32:37.700
BUT IT WILL BE TURNED OVER
TO ANOTHER WINESKIN

00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:40.266
THAT WILL CARRY WHAT
THEY STARTED.

00:32:40.366 --> 00:32:43.734
YOU KNOW. LIKE BIBLE NUMBERS
ARE 30, 60, HUNDREDFOLD.

00:32:43.834 --> 00:32:45.533
YOU HEAR THAT IN
SCRIPTURE OF GROWTH.

00:32:45.633 --> 00:32:48.467
A LOT OF PEOPLE PLATEAU
OUT OF THEIR HUNDREDFOLD.

00:32:48.567 --> 00:32:49.566
AND THEN JUST LET IT GO.


00:32:49.666 --> 00:32:51.100
AND THEN PEOPLE START FROM
GROUND LEVEL AGAIN

00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.233
AT THIRTYFOLD.


00:32:52.333 --> 00:32:54.733
WHEN WE SHOULD HAND OFF
OUR HUNDREDFOLD TO MAKE

00:32:54.833 --> 00:32:56.833
THAT THE NEXT
GENERATION'S THIRTYFOLD.

00:32:56.933 --> 00:32:57.467
>> YEP.


00:32:57.567 --> 00:32:58.634
>> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?


00:32:58.734 --> 00:32:59.867
>> YEAH, STAND
ON THEIR SHOULDERS.

00:32:59.967 --> 00:33:02.033
>> I CAN THINK OF A FEW
DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS,

00:33:02.133 --> 00:33:03.600
I THINK WE ALL CAN, OR
ORGANIZATIONS,

00:33:03.700 --> 00:33:05.233
THAT HAVE FALLEN TO
THE SIDE OF

00:33:05.333 --> 00:33:07.167
NOT PASSING IT ON CORRECTLY.


00:33:07.267 --> 00:33:08.233
>> JOSEPH: YEAH.


00:33:08.333 --> 00:33:10.500
>> SO CAN YOU GIVE AN
EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT HAS?

00:33:10.600 --> 00:33:13.034
>> THERE'S SO FEW OF THEM
AND THAT'S THE ISSUE.

00:33:13.134 --> 00:33:14.500
AND I'M NOT BEING
CRITICAL OR ANYTHING.

00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:15.600
>> NO, THERE IS SO FEW.


00:33:15.700 --> 00:33:17.567
A LOT OF TIMES SOMETHING
WILL LIVE AND DIE

00:33:17.667 --> 00:33:19.000
WITH THE PERSON AND THEN
THERE'S NO --

00:33:19.100 --> 00:33:22.300
AND I THINK NOW EVEN WE KEEP
HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS

00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.733
IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
FIRST GET CALLED,

00:33:23.833 --> 00:33:25.800
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO.

00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:26.900
AND AS YOU MOVE ON,


00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.966
IT'S WHAT AM I GOING TO
LEAVE FOR MY CHILDREN.

00:33:29.066 --> 00:33:31.667
>> YES.


00:33:31.767 --> 00:33:33.433
SO THAT IS WHERE THE
PROPHETS COME IN

00:33:33.533 --> 00:33:35.900
BECAUSE THE PROPHETS STEP
ONTO THE STAGE OF THIS.

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.467
THEY STEP INTO THE ARENA.


00:33:37.567 --> 00:33:38.800
AND THAT'S HOW
KINGDOMS LAST.

00:33:38.900 --> 00:33:40.733
THAT'S WHY DAVID,
ALL OF THEM HAD PROPHETS.

00:33:40.833 --> 00:33:43.100
NATHAN CAME IN AND, YOU
KNOW, YANKED THE SLACK

00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.500
OUT OF DAVID,
THAT KIND OF STUFF.

00:33:44.600 --> 00:33:47.533
BECAUSE WITHOUT THE
TRUE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH

00:33:47.633 --> 00:33:50.333
OR PROPHETS THAT COME IN AND
SPEAK TO THESE THINGS,

00:33:50.433 --> 00:33:52.100
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE
APOSTOLIC MOVEMENTS,

00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.167
THEY DO STUFF, BUT THEY KIND
OF HIT THEIR ZENITH.

00:33:54.267 --> 00:33:56.234
AND THEN THEY DECLINE,
THEY'RE OVER.

00:33:56.334 --> 00:33:58.300
BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS WHY
GOD'S RESTORING

00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.367
THE FIVEFOLD MINISTRY
IN A HEALTHY FLOW

00:34:00.467 --> 00:34:02.533
WITH A NEW TESTAMENT
UNDERSTANDING,

00:34:02.633 --> 00:34:03.933
SO WE CAN
SEE PEOPLE LIVE, MOVE,

00:34:04.033 --> 00:34:06.100
AND HAVE THEIR BEING
GENERATIONALLY.

00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.200
GENERATIONALLY.


00:34:07.300 --> 00:34:08.566
IF YOU HAVE
GENERATIONAL PURPOSE,

00:34:08.666 --> 00:34:10.000
YOU'LL HAVE
GENERATIONAL WEALTH.

00:34:10.100 --> 00:34:11.100
YOU'LL HAVE LEGACY.


00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:14.100
YOU'LL HAVE SPIRITUAL INSIGHTS
THAT KEEP GOING.

00:34:14.200 --> 00:34:17.467
AND SO SEEING ONE, I'M SURE
I COULD THINK OF ONE,

00:34:17.567 --> 00:34:18.500
BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD,


00:34:18.600 --> 00:34:20.334
I CAN'T SAY
THERE'S THE MODEL.

00:34:20.434 --> 00:34:22.600
>> WELL, THERE'S ONE THING
THAT YOU SAID, TOO,

00:34:22.700 --> 00:34:25.200
TO JUST EXPOUND ON THAT POINT,
WAS HOW PEOPLE HAVE THIS

00:34:25.300 --> 00:34:27.566
REVELATION, IT WILL MATURE
AND THEN IT BECOMES

00:34:27.666 --> 00:34:28.567
INSTITUTIONALIZED.


00:34:28.667 --> 00:34:29.700
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
IS PEOPLE GET

00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:31.167
TRAPPED IN TRADITION.


00:34:31.267 --> 00:34:31.800
>> THAT'S EXACTLY IT.


00:34:31.900 --> 00:34:32.733
>> THE WAY WE DID IT.


00:34:32.833 --> 00:34:34.066
THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE
ALWAYS DOING IT.

00:34:34.166 --> 00:34:35.467
AND I REMEMBER MY MOM
TELLING ME ABOUT

00:34:35.567 --> 00:34:38.766
THE DIFFERENT
CHARISMATIC MOVEMENTS.

00:34:38.866 --> 00:34:40.033
THEY WERE ALL
KIND OF DIFFERENT,

00:34:40.133 --> 00:34:43.100
AND THEY ALL KIND OF
JUDGED THE OTHER.

00:34:43.200 --> 00:34:45.833
BUT THE THING IS GOD
MOVES IN DIFFERENT WAYS

00:34:45.933 --> 00:34:47.333
AND YOU CAN'T GET PIGEONHOLED,


00:34:47.433 --> 00:34:50.067
AND THIS IS THE WAY IT IS,
BECAUSE THINGS DO CHANGE.

00:34:50.167 --> 00:34:50.933
>> JOSEPH: YEAH.


00:34:51.033 --> 00:34:52.134
>> AND I MEAN
GOD NEVER CHANGES.

00:34:52.234 --> 00:34:53.267
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I'M
SAYING THAT THERE'LL BE

00:34:53.367 --> 00:34:55.800
NEW STRATEGIES FOR
THE NEW GENERATION

00:34:55.900 --> 00:34:57.100
AND SO YOU GOT TO BE FLEX.


00:34:57.200 --> 00:34:58.734
YOU CAN'T GET STUCK
IN THIS IS THE WAY IT IS,

00:34:58.834 --> 00:35:00.266
THIS IS THE WAY IT'S
ALWAYS GOING TO BE.

00:35:00.366 --> 00:35:01.166
>> THERE'S A
PROPHETIC WORD

00:35:01.266 --> 00:35:03.167
WE'VE WALKED IN FOR A
LONG TIME CALLED

00:35:03.267 --> 00:35:06.167
THE OAKS ARE LEAVING, OR
THE OAKS ARE TRANSITIONING,

00:35:06.267 --> 00:35:08.000
AND THE REDWOODS ARE COMING.


00:35:08.100 --> 00:35:10.534
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS
OAKS, OR RIGHTEOUSNESS,

00:35:10.634 --> 00:35:11.966
HAD TO STAND ALONE AND BUILD
STUFF WITH NOBODY.

00:35:12.066 --> 00:35:13.067
NO SUPPORT.


00:35:13.167 --> 00:35:14.700
LIKE YOU SAID, EVERYBODY'S
FIGHTING EACH OTHER.

00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:15.800
>> MM-HMM.


00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:17.533
>> BUT I BELIEVE THE OAKS
ARE LEAVING, AND SOME OF

00:35:17.633 --> 00:35:19.833
THOSE FATHERS OF THE FAITH
ARE TRANSITIONING,

00:35:19.933 --> 00:35:21.034
EITHER THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW,


00:35:21.134 --> 00:35:23.500
BASICALLY RETIRING OR
THEY'RE GRADUATING TO HEAVEN.

00:35:23.600 --> 00:35:24.467
>> THAT WAS LIKE MY DAD.


00:35:24.567 --> 00:35:26.100
HE WAS LIKE BY HIMSELF.


00:35:26.200 --> 00:35:27.233
>> YEAH, HE WAS.


00:35:27.333 --> 00:35:29.133
>> THAT GENERATION OF GUYS,
A LOT OF THEM WERE.

00:35:29.233 --> 00:35:30.700
I MEAN, THEY WERE
BY THEMSELVES.

00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.700
THEY STARTED THAT STUFF,
A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN

00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.866
KICKED OUT OF
MAINSTREAM STUFF,

00:35:34.966 --> 00:35:36.133
CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT HAPPENED,


00:35:36.233 --> 00:35:38.934
OR THEY CAME OUT OF SOME
SMALL PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

00:35:39.034 --> 00:35:40.667
THAT DIDN'T
LIKE THEIR BIG VISION.

00:35:40.767 --> 00:35:41.567
>> REBECCA: TOTALLY.


00:35:41.667 --> 00:35:42.634
>> AND THEN THEY'RE
ALL ON THEIR OWN

00:35:42.734 --> 00:35:44.166
AND SO THEY HAD TO
DEAL WITH THAT.

00:35:44.266 --> 00:35:44.567
>> THEY DID.


00:35:44.667 --> 00:35:45.300
>> YEAH.


00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:46.367
>> THEY DID.


00:35:46.467 --> 00:35:47.967
AND I THINK THE NEXT MOVE
WILL BE WHAT I CALL

00:35:48.067 --> 00:35:50.066
THE REDWOODS, WHERE YOU HAVE


00:35:50.166 --> 00:35:53.000
MANY VERY LARGE POWERFUL
TREES THAT STAND TOGETHER

00:35:53.100 --> 00:35:55.500
WITH A ROOT SYSTEM THAT'S
INTERCONNECTED,

00:35:55.600 --> 00:35:57.400
AND THAT SPIRIT OF, YOU KNOW,


00:35:57.500 --> 00:35:58.633
STEPPING ON THE OTHER
ONE TO GET WHERE

00:35:58.733 --> 00:35:59.833
YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND
ALL THAT STUFF,

00:35:59.933 --> 00:36:01.700
I BELIEVE THE LORD IS
WATCHING VERY CLOSELY

00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.700
RIGHT NOW HOW WE TREAT OUR
BROTHERS AND SISTERS

00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.500
AND HOW WE'RE GOING
TO RISE TOGETHER.

00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:08.234
BECAUSE THE REDWOODS
AS A UNITED FRONT,

00:36:08.334 --> 00:36:10.767
OAKS ARE POWERFUL,
BUT REDWOODS ARE BIGGER,

00:36:10.867 --> 00:36:13.367
TALLER, STRONGER AND THERE'S
JUST SOMETHING IN THAT.

00:36:13.467 --> 00:36:15.200
AND I KNOW IT'S JUST
SYMBOLIC IMAGERY,

00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.166
BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS
THE NEXT MOVE.

00:36:17.266 --> 00:36:19.934
WHERE WE STAND AS A UNITED
FRONT AGAINST THE GATES OF HELL,

00:36:20.034 --> 00:36:22.600
RATHER THAN WE'RE
SILOING EVERYWHERE

00:36:22.700 --> 00:36:24.700
AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SILO
BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE

00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.066
ARE JUST OFF, PERIOD.


00:36:26.166 --> 00:36:27.166
THEY'RE JUST OFF.


00:36:27.266 --> 00:36:28.533
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE JUST
EMBRACE EVERYTHING

00:36:28.633 --> 00:36:29.367
AND ANYONE.


00:36:29.467 --> 00:36:30.500
I AM SAYING, THOUGH,


00:36:30.600 --> 00:36:32.900
WE'VE GOT TO FIND OUR
TRIBAL ALIGNMENT AND BEGIN

00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.366
TO BUILD BIGGER FOR THE
SAKE OF THE KINGDOM.

00:36:35.466 --> 00:36:38.666
>> RIGHT NOW THERE
IS SO MUCH ACCUSING

00:36:38.766 --> 00:36:40.000
GOING ON IN THE BODY OF CHRIST


00:36:40.100 --> 00:36:42.000
AND SO MUCH
DIVISION BECAUSE YOU'RE

00:36:42.100 --> 00:36:44.467
TALKING ABOUT HOW WE NEED
TO STAND TOGETHER AND

00:36:44.567 --> 00:36:47.767
WE'RE THE WEAKEST AND IT'S
A PLAYBOOK OUT OF THE

00:36:47.867 --> 00:36:49.800
ENEMY'S HAND, BUT A LOT OF
TIMES THE CHURCH

00:36:49.900 --> 00:36:51.766
LACKS THE WISDOM AND THE
UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY

00:36:51.866 --> 00:36:53.767
DON'T SEE IT
FOR WHAT IT IS,

00:36:53.867 --> 00:36:55.133
AND THEY'RE DECEIVED
INTO THINKING

00:36:55.233 --> 00:36:56.800
THAT THEY'RE
UPHOLDING JUSTICE

00:36:56.900 --> 00:36:59.334
AND TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.


00:36:59.434 --> 00:37:00.833
BUT DO YOU THINK
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY

00:37:00.933 --> 00:37:03.600
THIS IS GOING ON IN THE
BODY OF CHRIST RIGHT NOW?

00:37:03.700 --> 00:37:05.766
>> WELL, I THINK THE
DEVIL HATES THE CHURCH.

00:37:05.866 --> 00:37:06.733
>> YES.


00:37:06.833 --> 00:37:07.700
>> AND IF YOU CAN
DIVIDE, YOU CAN CONQUER.

00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.000
>> JONATHAN: RIGHT.


00:37:09.100 --> 00:37:10.600
>> IF I CAN SPLIT YOU
OFF OF YOUR TRIBE,

00:37:10.700 --> 00:37:11.534
I CAN TAKE YOU OUT.


00:37:11.634 --> 00:37:12.433
>> JONATHAN: THAT'S RIGHT.


00:37:12.533 --> 00:37:13.966
>> IT'S ONE
THING TO FIGHT

00:37:14.066 --> 00:37:16.133
FIVE GUYS IN A DARK
ALLEY BY YOURSELF.

00:37:16.233 --> 00:37:17.733
IT'S ANOTHER
THING TO FIGHT

00:37:17.833 --> 00:37:19.400
FIVE GUYS WITH FIVE OF
YOUR FRIENDS, RIGHT?

00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:20.400
>> JONATHAN: YEAH.


00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:22.000
>> SO THIS IS THE STRATEGY
OF THE DEVIL,

00:37:22.100 --> 00:37:25.700
AND WE LIVE IN AN HOUR
WHERE PLATFORM

00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.100
CAN SO EASILY BE
ACQUIRED.

00:37:28.200 --> 00:37:29.834
SO THANK GOD WE'RE PODCASTING.


00:37:29.934 --> 00:37:31.767
THIS WILL BE ON
SOCIAL EVERYWHERE.

00:37:31.867 --> 00:37:33.134
RIGHT, IT'S THE
INFORMATION AGE.

00:37:33.234 --> 00:37:35.266
I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT, BUT
IT IS A BLESSING

00:37:35.366 --> 00:37:36.566
AND A CURSE.


00:37:36.666 --> 00:37:37.633
>> REBECCA: YEAH.


00:37:37.733 --> 00:37:38.666
>> USED TO, TO GET A VOICE
OR HAVE A PLATFORM

00:37:38.766 --> 00:37:40.333
YOU HAD TO FIGHT HELL, RIGHT?


00:37:40.433 --> 00:37:41.666
YOU HAD TO TAKE
CARE OF A FAMILY.

00:37:41.766 --> 00:37:45.166
YOU HAD TO BE A GROWN MAN
WITH A JOB, AND YOU HAD TO BE

00:37:45.266 --> 00:37:46.833
ABOUT THE FATHER'S
BUSINESS.

00:37:46.933 --> 00:37:49.500
NOW TO GET A PLATFORM I CAN
BUY ONE OF THESE MICS

00:37:49.600 --> 00:37:50.633
AND I GOT A PHONE,


00:37:50.733 --> 00:37:53.334
AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN DUB
MYSELF PROPHET OR CRUSADER

00:37:53.434 --> 00:37:54.733
TO THE NATION.


00:37:54.833 --> 00:37:55.967
AND YOU GET A PLATFORM
THAT REQUIRES

00:37:56.067 --> 00:37:57.367
NO PERSEVERANCE.


00:37:57.467 --> 00:37:58.333
>> AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY.


00:37:58.433 --> 00:37:59.467
>> NO ACCOUNTABILITY.


00:37:59.567 --> 00:38:02.534
SO YOU GOT A BUNCH OF -- AND
SOMETIMES THEY'RE --

00:38:02.634 --> 00:38:05.233
THEY MAY EVEN LOOK
GOOD ON CAMERA, RIGHT?

00:38:05.333 --> 00:38:07.300
ALL IT TAKES IS -- AND I'M
SO GLAD Y'ALL ARE

00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:08.566
GOOD-LOOKING, RIGHT,


00:38:08.666 --> 00:38:11.334
BUT ALL IT TAKES IS LIKE
A GOOD-LOOKING PERSON.

00:38:11.434 --> 00:38:12.900
GIVE THEM A CAMERA.


00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:13.933
THEY LOOK GOOD.


00:38:14.033 --> 00:38:15.867
PEOPLE WILL
LISTEN TO THEM AND THINK,

00:38:15.967 --> 00:38:16.800
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?


00:38:16.900 --> 00:38:19.200
IT'S LIKE IT'S INSANITY.


00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:20.433
THE ONLY THING THEY'VE
BEEN FAITHFUL TO

00:38:20.533 --> 00:38:23.700
IS THEIR OWN GRAVEN IMAGE
ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:25.700
SO IT'S DANGEROUS.


00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.033
YOU KNOW, AS A PASTOR, IT
BOTHERS ME, RIGHT,

00:38:28.133 --> 00:38:30.500
BECAUSE I WANT MY PEOPLE TO
HEAR FROM THE RIGHT VOICES.

00:38:30.600 --> 00:38:34.567
>> AND FOR SOME REASON, IT
DOESN'T REALLY BOTHER ME.

00:38:34.667 --> 00:38:38.033
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS,
BUT LIKE WE HAVE BEEN IN IT

00:38:38.133 --> 00:38:41.400
FOR SO MANY YEARS
TOGETHER AND I SEE ALL

00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:43.600
THESE PEOPLE, PROBABLY BECAUSE
I'M NOT A PASTOR,

00:38:43.700 --> 00:38:45.833
AND I'M JUST LIKE,
ALL I THINK ABOUT IS

00:38:45.933 --> 00:38:48.967
HOW WE'RE CALLED TO STORE UP
TREASURES IN HEAVEN,

00:38:49.067 --> 00:38:50.367
NOT ON EARTH, AND HOW WE'RE


00:38:50.467 --> 00:38:54.134
LIVING FOR ETERNITY, NOT
FOR A PLATFORM HERE.

00:38:54.234 --> 00:38:55.300
AND SO FOR ME,


00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.567
I HAVE A GENUINE FEAR OF
THE LORD OF WHAT AM I DOING

00:38:58.667 --> 00:39:00.200
FOR THAT PURPOSE
AND TO THAT END.

00:39:00.300 --> 00:39:03.300
AND WHEN I SEE SOMEBODY WHO IS
SLANDERING PEOPLE PUBLICLY

00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:04.866
OR BUILDING A
PLATFORM AROUND --

00:39:04.966 --> 00:39:05.400
>> REBECCA: I'M
NERVOUS FOR THEM.

00:39:05.500 --> 00:39:06.633
>> YEAH.


00:39:06.733 --> 00:39:09.467
THAT'S HOW I FEEL IS LIKE,
YIKES, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT --

00:39:09.567 --> 00:39:10.667
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE TO
STAND BEFORE GOD.

00:39:10.767 --> 00:39:11.700
>> THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING
TO BE SOWING.

00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:12.734
>> IT'S NOT.


00:39:12.834 --> 00:39:14.766
THERE IS A, I'LL
USE THIS WORD,

00:39:14.866 --> 00:39:17.500
YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE GET,
AS SOON AS YOU SAY THIS WORD,

00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:20.200
IT PUTS AN IMAGE, BUT THAT'S NOT
THE IMAGE I'M CREATING,

00:39:20.300 --> 00:39:24.467
BUT THERE'S A
SEDUCTION TO ACCUSATION.

00:39:24.567 --> 00:39:25.667
THERE IS THAT TYPE OF
THING WHERE YOU --

00:39:25.767 --> 00:39:26.633
>> JONATHAN: THAT'S SO TRUE.


00:39:26.733 --> 00:39:28.167
>> WHERE YOU SUDDENLY, IF
YOU HEAR THAT,

00:39:28.267 --> 00:39:30.700
THERE'S SOMETHING
THAT'S VERY --

00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:31.400
>> YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE.


00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:32.333
>> YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE.


00:39:32.433 --> 00:39:33.267
AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE
A PART OF THAT.

00:39:33.367 --> 00:39:34.400
THEY WANT TO GO DOWN
THAT ROAD.

00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:37.434
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES
A STORY IS SO GOOD

00:39:37.534 --> 00:39:39.600
THAT NOBODY REALLY
CARES ABOUT WHAT'S TRUE.

00:39:39.700 --> 00:39:40.467
>> REBECCA: YEAH.


00:39:40.567 --> 00:39:42.433
>> AND SO, YOU KNOW,
IN SOME CASES

00:39:42.533 --> 00:39:44.300
THE STORY IS TRUE AND
THINGS ARE TERRIBLE

00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:45.367
AND IT'S ALL THAT.


00:39:45.467 --> 00:39:48.633
BUT EVEN THEN, EVEN THEN,
YOU CAN'T GIVE INTO

00:39:48.733 --> 00:39:51.566
THE SEDUCTION OF GOING AFTER,
SLANDERING ANOTHER

00:39:51.666 --> 00:39:53.333
MEMBER OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.


00:39:53.433 --> 00:39:55.467
AND YOU KNOW GOD DIDN'T MAKE


00:39:55.567 --> 00:39:57.367
ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE
THE, YOU KNOW,

00:39:57.467 --> 00:39:58.633
POLICE OF THE BODY.


00:39:58.733 --> 00:40:00.967
HE HAS A SYSTEM AND A
STRUCTURE FOR DOING THAT,

00:40:01.067 --> 00:40:03.733
AND THAT IS WHERE
THE BODY OF CHRIST,

00:40:03.833 --> 00:40:05.567
YOU KNOW, I SAY
IT ALL THE TIME,

00:40:05.667 --> 00:40:07.433
THE DEVIL CAN'T
BEAT THE CHURCH

00:40:07.533 --> 00:40:10.667
SO HE DOES THE NEXT
BEST THING, HE JOINS IT.

00:40:10.767 --> 00:40:14.900
HE JOINS IT THROUGH
THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR.

00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.700
YOU KNOW, BITING AND
DEVOURING ONE ANOTHER,

00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.033
ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.


00:40:18.133 --> 00:40:20.566
AND SO IF WE CAN
BEGIN TO RIGHTSIZE THAT,

00:40:20.666 --> 00:40:23.067
I BELIEVE THE BLESSING WILL
FLOW LIKE WATER.

00:40:23.167 --> 00:40:24.433
AND I'M NOT SAYING
IN ANY WAY

00:40:24.533 --> 00:40:25.400
WE DON'T DEAL WITH SIN.


00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:26.500
I'M NOT SAYING IN ANY WAY


00:40:26.600 --> 00:40:28.333
WE DON'T GO DOWN THE ROAD
AND CORRECT STUFF AND

00:40:28.433 --> 00:40:30.600
RIGHTSIZE THINGS
AND MAKE IT RIGHT.

00:40:30.700 --> 00:40:34.100
BUT THE WAY IT'S BEING
DEALT WITH IN MANY WAYS

00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:37.700
IS JUST KIND OF
AN OFFSHOOT OF LIKE A --

00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.000
IT'S JUST A SEDUCTIVE THING.


00:40:40.100 --> 00:40:41.200
PEOPLE WANT TO JUMP INTO THAT


00:40:41.300 --> 00:40:42.800
AND THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE.


00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:44.567
>> YEAH, AND
THEY MONETIZE IT.

00:40:44.667 --> 00:40:46.667
YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE
MONEY ON IT RIGHT NOW.

00:40:46.767 --> 00:40:48.266
>> JOSEPH: YEAH.


00:40:48.366 --> 00:40:49.867
>> IT'S WORKING FOR SOME
OF THESE PEOPLE

00:40:49.967 --> 00:40:51.000
AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE.


00:40:51.100 --> 00:40:53.533
THEY HAVE NO MINISTRY,
THEY HAVE NO GIFT.

00:40:53.633 --> 00:40:55.633
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR
CRACKS IN OTHER PEOPLE.

00:40:55.733 --> 00:40:57.200
AND IF YOU LOOK LONG
ENOUGH, YOU'LL FIND OUR

00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:01.200
CRACKS, RIGHT, BECAUSE
WE'RE WE'RE PEOPLE, TOO.

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:03.500
THIS IS SOME OF THE
SEDUCTION OF PLATFORM.

00:41:03.600 --> 00:41:06.600
I TEACH IT, AND I THINK
ABOUT IT LIKE THIS.

00:41:06.700 --> 00:41:09.466
JAMES' AND JOHN'S MOM
CAME TO JESUS.

00:41:09.566 --> 00:41:10.500
RIGHT?


00:41:10.600 --> 00:41:11.133
>> HERE WE GO.


00:41:11.233 --> 00:41:12.700
>> SHE'S MAMA, RIGHT?


00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.667
WHAT WOMEN WILL DO FOR
THEIR SONS IS INSANE,

00:41:15.767 --> 00:41:16.800
RIGHT, YOU KNOW.


00:41:16.900 --> 00:41:17.967
SO HERE COMES MOM.


00:41:18.067 --> 00:41:19.767
JESUS, CAN MY BOYS, WHEN
YOU COME INTO YOUR KINGDOM,

00:41:19.867 --> 00:41:20.800
YOU'RE THE MESSIAH.


00:41:20.900 --> 00:41:21.867
YOU'RE GOING TO
OVERTHROW ISRAEL.

00:41:21.967 --> 00:41:23.100
YOU'RE GOING TO
TAKE EVERYTHING OVER,

00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:24.500
OVERTHROW ROME FOR ISRAEL.


00:41:24.600 --> 00:41:26.134
WHEN YOU COME
INTO YOUR KINGDOM,

00:41:26.234 --> 00:41:27.700
CAN MY BOYS SIT ONE
AT YOUR RIGHT HAND,

00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.366
ONE AT YOUR LEFT IN THE
KINGDOM TO COME, RIGHT.

00:41:31.466 --> 00:41:34.366
AND HE'S LIKE THIS WOMAN WANTS
THE HIGHEST PLATFORM

00:41:34.466 --> 00:41:36.967
IN THE WORLD FOR HER CHILDREN
AND HE'S LIKE

00:41:37.067 --> 00:41:38.700
YOU HAVE NO IDEA --


00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:39.933
>> YEAH.


00:41:40.033 --> 00:41:41.666
>> WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR
RIGHT NOW.

00:41:41.766 --> 00:41:44.534
BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THE
PLATFORM'S WHAT SETS YOU UP

00:41:44.634 --> 00:41:46.566
FOR LIKE MARTYRDOM, RIGHT,


00:41:46.666 --> 00:41:50.133
FOR DECAPITATION
FOR FALSE ACCUSATION.

00:41:50.233 --> 00:41:51.133
AN ELEVATION IN PLATFORM


00:41:51.233 --> 00:41:53.033
ALWAYS MEANS A
TEST IS COMING.

00:41:53.133 --> 00:41:54.200
>> JOSEPH: AND IT DID FOR JAMES.


00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:55.100
>> IT DID FOR JAMES.


00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:55.700
>> JOSEPH: IT TOOK HIS LIFE.


00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:56.833
>> IT TOOK HIS LIFE.


00:41:56.933 --> 00:42:00.400
JOHN GETS, UH, YOU KNOW,
THAT JOHN,

00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:01.633
WHERE DID HE END AT?


00:42:01.733 --> 00:42:04.167
THAT'S NOT JOHN --


00:42:04.267 --> 00:42:04.966
>> JOHN --


00:42:05.066 --> 00:42:05.667
>> JAMES
GETS BEHEADED.

00:42:05.767 --> 00:42:07.166
>> JOHN GOT BOILED IN OIL.


00:42:07.266 --> 00:42:08.233
BUT ANYWAY, THE WHOLE
THING WITH THIS,

00:42:08.333 --> 00:42:10.034
JOHN KNEW HOW MUCH
GOD LOVED HIM.

00:42:10.134 --> 00:42:11.233
>> BRIAN: YEAH.


00:42:11.333 --> 00:42:12.800
>> AND HE OUTLIVED THE OIL,
BUT BOTH OF THEM DRANK --

00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:14.633
>> BRIAN: BOILED IN OIL
AND PUT ON -- YEAH.

00:42:14.733 --> 00:42:15.666
>> DRANK THAT CUP.


00:42:15.766 --> 00:42:16.733
>> JESUS LOOKS AT THEM
AND SAYS YOU HAVE

00:42:16.833 --> 00:42:17.733
NO IDEA WHAT
YOU'RE ASKING.

00:42:17.833 --> 00:42:19.267
CAN YOU DRINK THE CUP
AND BE BAPTIZED

00:42:19.367 --> 00:42:21.300
WITH THE BAPTISM
I'LL BE BAPTIZED IN.

00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.200
AND IT'S LIKE THE CUP
OF MY -- GOD'S WRATH,

00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:26.900
YOU KNOW, IS WHAT'S COMING,
CUP OF WRATH IS COMING.

00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.033
>> JOSEPH: PERSECUTION.


00:42:28.133 --> 00:42:29.034
>> YEAH, PERSECUTION,
ALL THAT.

00:42:29.134 --> 00:42:30.434
AND THEN HE TURNS
AROUND AND SAYS,

00:42:30.534 --> 00:42:31.433
NO, YOU WILL.


00:42:31.533 --> 00:42:32.967
YOU'LL BE BAPTIZED
WITH THE BAPTISM

00:42:33.067 --> 00:42:34.067
I'M BAPTIZED IN,


00:42:34.167 --> 00:42:35.967
BUT HE SAYS BUT FOR ME
TO GIVE YOU A PLATFORM,

00:42:36.067 --> 00:42:36.966
IT'S NOT MINE.


00:42:37.066 --> 00:42:38.133
>> SO GOOD, BRIAN.


00:42:38.233 --> 00:42:39.934
>> HE SAID, IT'S THE
FATHER'S, RIGHT, TO SAY

00:42:40.034 --> 00:42:41.733
WHO WILL SIT IT THE
RIGHT AND THE LEFT.

00:42:41.833 --> 00:42:44.333
SO I THINK YOU FOCUS ON
REAL JESUS MINISTRY.

00:42:44.433 --> 00:42:46.633
THIS IS HOW WE
PROTECT OURSELVES

00:42:46.733 --> 00:42:49.700
FROM NOT PEOPLE
ACCUSING US,

00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.000
BUT FROM US BECOMING AN
ACCUSER, RIGHT,

00:42:52.100 --> 00:42:54.300
FROM US GETTING, BECOMING,
THE PEOPLE WE'RE

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:55.634
TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.


00:42:55.734 --> 00:42:56.766
WE PROTECT
OURSELVES BY DOING

00:42:56.866 --> 00:42:59.667
THE MINISTRY OF JESUS AND
LEAVING THAT

00:42:59.767 --> 00:43:02.567
PLATFORM-SEEKING THING
IN THE HANDS OF GOD, RIGHT?

00:43:02.667 --> 00:43:04.167
IF GOD DOESN'T WANT ME TO
HAVE A PLATFORM,

00:43:04.267 --> 00:43:05.400
I DON'T WANT IT.


00:43:05.500 --> 00:43:06.600
>> JOSEPH: AMEN.


00:43:06.700 --> 00:43:09.833
>> BECAUSE A PLATFORM, MORE
PLATFORMS, MORE PROBLEMS.

00:43:09.933 --> 00:43:10.733
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE
A GRACE FOR IT,

00:43:10.833 --> 00:43:12.333
IT'LL DESTROY YOU.


00:43:12.433 --> 00:43:14.233
>> AND I THINK ALSO I
THINK THERE'S PEOPLE

00:43:14.333 --> 00:43:18.566
WHO ARE WELL-MEANING AND
HAVE GOOD MOTIVATIONS

00:43:18.666 --> 00:43:20.300
THAT ARE EVEN JUMPING INTO THE
FIGHT AND THEY DON'T

00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:21.900
REALIZE THAT, A,
THEY DON'T HAVE

00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:23.400
THE AUTHORITY TO DO
WHAT THEY'RE DOING,

00:43:23.500 --> 00:43:24.734
THEY'RE NOT CALLED TO
DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING,

00:43:24.834 --> 00:43:26.100
AND THEY DON'T REALIZE
THAT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY

00:43:26.200 --> 00:43:29.300
HELPING, THEY'RE HURTING.


00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:30.933
BUT THEY FALL
INTO THIS NARRATIVE,

00:43:31.033 --> 00:43:32.000
THIS DECEPTION, THEY'RE LIKE,


00:43:32.100 --> 00:43:33.300
WELL, I'M JUST BEING
LIKE JESUS.

00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.066
I'M JUST TURNING OVER THE
TABLES IN THE TEMPLE.

00:43:36.166 --> 00:43:38.367
WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY TO THAT?

00:43:38.467 --> 00:43:41.300
>> I'D SAY JESUS IS HEAD
OF THE CHURCH.

00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.067
AND, YOU KNOW,
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

00:43:43.167 --> 00:43:44.300
THAT BEFORE, YOU KNOW,


00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.267
HAD THAT CONVERSATION, BUT
JESUS IS HEAD OF THE CHURCH.

00:43:47.367 --> 00:43:49.400
AND WHEN YOU PUT
YOURSELF IN THAT POSITION

00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:50.933
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A
SEVERITY THAT COMES WITH

00:43:51.033 --> 00:43:53.167
A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT
PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE.

00:43:53.267 --> 00:43:56.033
EVERYTHING WE DO IS SEED.


00:43:56.133 --> 00:44:00.033
WHAT YOU'RE SOWING, YOU'RE
GOING TO REAP IN SPADES.

00:44:00.133 --> 00:44:01.733
THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.


00:44:01.833 --> 00:44:04.500
NOW OR LATER, YOU CANNOT
MESS WITH THE FABRIC REALITY.

00:44:04.600 --> 00:44:07.000
YOU CAN'T DO THESE THINGS,
VIOLATE THE RULES OF GOD,

00:44:07.100 --> 00:44:10.767
THE LAWS OF GOD, AND NOT
SEE THE REAPING COME.

00:44:10.867 --> 00:44:13.734
SO THERE'S PEOPLE, IF THEY'RE
BUILDING THEIR PLATFORMS

00:44:13.834 --> 00:44:15.000
BASED ON WHAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT,

00:44:15.067 --> 00:44:16.367
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN,


00:44:16.467 --> 00:44:18.566
THERE'LL BE A DAY THAT
THAT REAPING COMES AND IT

00:44:18.666 --> 00:44:21.000
WILL COME TO ROOST AND
GOD'S NOT EVEN DOING IT.

00:44:21.100 --> 00:44:22.333
PEOPLE ARE LIKE, GOD'S
GOING TO GET THEM.

00:44:22.433 --> 00:44:23.533
GOD'S NOT GETTING THEM.


00:44:23.633 --> 00:44:25.500
THEIR SEED IS GETTING THEM.


00:44:25.600 --> 00:44:27.434
AND THAT PRINCIPLE
OF SEEDTIME,

00:44:27.534 --> 00:44:29.867
HARVEST TIME,
IS COMING FOR THEM.

00:44:29.967 --> 00:44:33.166
AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS
THERE WILL BE SUCH A

00:44:33.266 --> 00:44:36.200
DRAMATIC THING THAT TAKES
PLACE WITH HOW THEY'VE JUDGED

00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:37.900
AND DONE THINGS,
THAT UNLESS THEY REPENT

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.267
AND TURN FROM IT,


00:44:39.367 --> 00:44:41.500
IT WILL BE VERY
CATASTROPHIC.

00:44:41.600 --> 00:44:43.967
AND YOU SEE THAT OVER AND
OVER AGAIN IN MINISTRIES.

00:44:44.067 --> 00:44:46.933
AND I THINK THAT'S
HOW I'D ANSWER IT.

00:44:47.033 --> 00:44:48.066
>> I THINK THAT'S GOOD.


00:44:48.166 --> 00:44:49.467
>> I WANT TO, BEFORE
WE MOVE PAST

00:44:49.567 --> 00:44:50.866
WHAT YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT WITH LEGACY

00:44:50.966 --> 00:44:52.933
AND TRANSITION, AND I
LOVED HOW YOU ACTUALLY

00:44:53.033 --> 00:44:55.033
BROKE THAT DOWN
AND EXPLAINED IT.

00:44:55.133 --> 00:44:57.267
YOU MENTIONED THE SPIRIT
OF ELIJAH BEING THE THING

00:44:57.367 --> 00:45:01.434
THAT WE NEED TO
EMBRACE AND WALK IN.

00:45:01.534 --> 00:45:02.334
>> JOSEPH: YES.


00:45:02.434 --> 00:45:03.266
>> CAN YOU UNPACK
THAT A LITTLE BIT?

00:45:03.366 --> 00:45:04.066
>> SURE, JONATHAN.


00:45:04.166 --> 00:45:05.166
YEAH.


00:45:05.266 --> 00:45:06.300
SO THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT,

00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.367
WE REALIZE THAT HE WENT
TOE-TO-TOE WITH

00:45:08.467 --> 00:45:10.466
JEZEBEL, AHAB, ALL THE
THINGS HE DID.

00:45:10.566 --> 00:45:13.567
HE'S THE PROPHET OF FIRE,
CALLS IT DOWN, YOU KNOW,

00:45:13.667 --> 00:45:15.533
SLAUGHTERS ALL
THOSE FALSE PROPHETS.

00:45:15.633 --> 00:45:18.067
THERE WAS 850 TOTAL,
BECAUSE YOU HAD THE ONES

00:45:18.167 --> 00:45:21.500
THAT WERE FROM ASHERAH,
THEY ATE AT JEZEBEL'S TABLE.

00:45:21.600 --> 00:45:23.000
THAT WAS
400 OF THEM.

00:45:23.100 --> 00:45:26.433
THEN 450 MORE PROPHETS OF
BAAL WERE ON THE MOUNTAIN,

00:45:26.533 --> 00:45:29.500
MOUNT CARMEL, AND WHEN THE
CONFRONTATION HAPPENED,

00:45:29.600 --> 00:45:30.466
WHEN THE FIRE'S
CALLED DOWN,

00:45:30.566 --> 00:45:31.567
THEY DO IT,


00:45:31.667 --> 00:45:33.800
HE DRAGS THEM DOWN INTO
THE VALLEY OF MEGIDDO.

00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:35.534
AND THAT'S WHERE HE
SLAUGHTERS THEM,

00:45:35.634 --> 00:45:36.933
WHERE ARMAGEDDON IS
GOING TO HAPPEN.

00:45:37.033 --> 00:45:38.966
SO THERE'S A WHOLE BIG
TYPE AND SHADOW THERE,

00:45:39.066 --> 00:45:41.567
BUT THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH
CONFRONTS THE CULTURE,

00:45:41.667 --> 00:45:42.667
IT DEALS WITH THAT STUFF.


00:45:42.767 --> 00:45:44.266
YOU SEE IT THEN LIFT OFF.


00:45:44.366 --> 00:45:45.633
IT GOES, AND IT'S GENERATIONAL.


00:45:45.733 --> 00:45:47.500
THAT'S THE THING ABOUT
THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH,

00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:49.066
IT IS TO GO TO THE
NEXT GENERATION.

00:45:49.166 --> 00:45:51.033
IT WENT TO ELISHA.


00:45:51.133 --> 00:45:53.366
ELISHA WAS GOING TO GIVE
IT TO GEHAZI, I BELIEVE,

00:45:53.466 --> 00:45:56.800
BUT GEHAZI FORFEITED THAT BY
GOING AFTER GOLD, RIGHT?

00:45:56.900 --> 00:45:58.700
ALL THAT STUFF HAPPENS.


00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.333
BUT THEN YOU SEE IT SHOW
UP IN JOHN THE BAPTIST.

00:46:01.433 --> 00:46:02.433
OKAY.


00:46:02.533 --> 00:46:04.733
SO JOHN THE BAPTIST COMES
ON THE SCENE AND HE'S

00:46:04.833 --> 00:46:07.067
THERE TO USHER IN JESUS.


00:46:07.167 --> 00:46:08.933
YOU KNOW, BEHOLD THE LAMB
OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY

00:46:09.033 --> 00:46:10.400
THE SIN OF THE WORLD.


00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:12.833
HE WAS LIKE -- HE WAS
THE FORERUNNER.

00:46:12.933 --> 00:46:15.500
HE WAS THE WAYMAKER FOR
JESUS, AND HE WAS THERE

00:46:15.600 --> 00:46:19.067
TO ANNOUNCE HIS COMING
THE FIRST TIME.

00:46:19.167 --> 00:46:20.767
NOW, JOHN THE BAPTIST
IS THE GREATEST

00:46:20.867 --> 00:46:21.733
OF ALL PROPHETS.


00:46:21.833 --> 00:46:23.900
HE WAS THE GREATEST,
BUT HE WHO'S LEAST

00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.667
IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS
GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST.

00:46:26.767 --> 00:46:28.967
THAT MEANS WE'RE IN
THE NEW COVENANT.

00:46:29.067 --> 00:46:31.733
SO THE LEAST OF US IS
GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST.

00:46:31.833 --> 00:46:35.300
THAT MEANS ALL OF US
BECAUSE 1 JOHN 4:17 SAYS

00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:39.400
AS HE IS, SO ARE WE,
CORPORATELY, IN THIS WORLD.

00:46:39.500 --> 00:46:40.600
SO WHEN WE'RE THAT WAY,


00:46:40.700 --> 00:46:43.100
AND THEN I THINK IT'S
1 JOHN 5 STARTS TALKING ABOUT

00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:44.033
THAT OUR
FAITH IS THE POWER

00:46:44.133 --> 00:46:46.434
THAT BRINGS THE
WORLD TO ITS KNEES.

00:46:46.534 --> 00:46:47.867
SO CORPORATELY,


00:46:47.967 --> 00:46:49.866
I BELIEVE THAT WE AS
THE BODY OF CHRIST,

00:46:49.966 --> 00:46:53.300
CARRY THE SPIRIT OF ELIJAH
THE WAY JOHN THE BAPTIST DID,

00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:54.167
AND WE'RE
GOING TO USHER

00:46:54.267 --> 00:46:55.900
JESUS IN THE SECOND TIME.


00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:56.767
>> REBECCA: WOW.


00:46:56.867 --> 00:46:57.834
>> AND SO WITH THAT,


00:46:57.934 --> 00:46:59.767
WHAT THAT MEANS IS,


00:46:59.867 --> 00:47:01.867
WE HAVE AN ANOINTING TO
TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS

00:47:01.967 --> 00:47:03.500
TO THE CHILDREN,
CHILDREN OF THE FATHERS,

00:47:03.600 --> 00:47:04.900
SO WE CAN AVOID THE CURSE.


00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:06.233
SO THE MORE THE
CHURCH GETS BUSY

00:47:06.333 --> 00:47:08.900
ABOUT THIS
GENERATIONAL IMPARTATION,

00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.400
THE MORE WE GET BUSY
REPRODUCING OURSELF.

00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:13.533
AND REALLY WHAT I'M
SAYING IS DISCIPLESHIP.

00:47:13.633 --> 00:47:15.800
THE MORE WE DO THAT, THE MORE
WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN

00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:17.633
TO STOP THE CURSE
IN THE LAND,

00:47:17.733 --> 00:47:19.033
STOP THIS NONSENSE


00:47:19.133 --> 00:47:20.666
THAT WANTS TO COME OUT
ON THE CULTURE,

00:47:20.766 --> 00:47:23.000
AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE A
LONGEVITY OF THIS SEASON.

00:47:23.100 --> 00:47:25.267
BUT THE MORE WE BITE AND DEVOUR
AND DO ALL THAT,

00:47:25.367 --> 00:47:27.200
THAT'S THE OPPOSITE OF THE
SPIRIT OF ELIJAH.

00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.267
THAT'S WHAT JEZEBEL DID
AGAINST THE PROPHETS.

00:47:29.367 --> 00:47:31.267
THAT'S WHAT THEY ALL DID
ALL THROUGHOUT

00:47:31.367 --> 00:47:32.333
THE WHOLE DEAL.


00:47:32.433 --> 00:47:33.633
YOU SEE THAT EVEN IN
THE BOOK OF REVELATION,

00:47:33.733 --> 00:47:36.167
WHERE THAT WOMAN JEZEBEL
WAS IN THE CHURCH

00:47:36.267 --> 00:47:37.300
CALLING HERSELF A TEACHER,


00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:38.834
CALLING
HERSELF A PROPHETESS,

00:47:38.934 --> 00:47:41.033
TEACHING PEOPLE SEXUAL
IMMORALITY,

00:47:41.133 --> 00:47:43.500
TEACHING ALL THESE
VULGAR THINGS.

00:47:43.600 --> 00:47:45.566
AND YOU SEE THAT SPIRIT THERE,


00:47:45.666 --> 00:47:47.900
BUT AGAIN THE SPIRIT OF
ELIJAH CUTS THAT STUFF DOWN

00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.400
AND IT REALLY JUST,
SIMPLY PUT, IS THE CHURCH.

00:47:51.500 --> 00:47:53.500
IT'S THE CHURCH DOING THE
GREAT COMMISSION,

00:47:53.600 --> 00:47:56.434
MAKING DISCIPLES AND PREPARING
THE WAY FOR THE LORD'S RETURN

00:47:56.534 --> 00:47:57.900
THE SECOND TIME.


00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:58.600
>> THAT'S SO GOOD.


00:47:58.700 --> 00:47:59.733
>> YEAH.


00:47:59.833 --> 00:48:00.933
IT'S THE RESTORATION
OF FAMILY THAT SOUNDS LIKE.

00:48:01.033 --> 00:48:02.467
>> JOSEPH: IT REALLY IS. YEAH.


00:48:02.567 --> 00:48:03.334
AND SPIRITUAL FAMILY.


00:48:03.434 --> 00:48:04.567
>> YEAH, SPIRITUAL FAMILY.


00:48:04.667 --> 00:48:06.266
>> JOSEPH: YOU KNOW, RAISING
UP THE HOUSEHOLD OF FAITH.

00:48:06.366 --> 00:48:07.367
>> SHALOM HOUSE, WERE YOU
THINKING THAT?

00:48:07.467 --> 00:48:08.734
>> YEAH, I WAS.


00:48:08.834 --> 00:48:10.000
>> ALL RIGHT.


00:48:10.100 --> 00:48:10.734
DO YOU WANT TO WRAP OR DO YOU
WANT TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL?

00:48:10.834 --> 00:48:11.800
BECAUSE WE COULD DO THAT.


00:48:11.900 --> 00:48:13.333
>> WE NEED TO TALK A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT ISRAEL.

00:48:13.433 --> 00:48:14.033
>> LET'S GO.


00:48:14.133 --> 00:48:15.234
>> IT'S TOO IMPORTANT.


00:48:15.334 --> 00:48:17.567
>> JONATHAN: WHAT'S
ON YOUR MIND?

00:48:17.667 --> 00:48:18.700
>> NO, I WANNA DEFER TO YOU.


00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.300
>> I THINK THE BEST THING
TO DO IS FOR YOU TO ASK

00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.934
A QUESTION THAT YOU'VE
SEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR --

00:48:23.034 --> 00:48:25.667
>> OKAY, I'LL GO
WITH A QUESTION THEN

00:48:25.767 --> 00:48:26.700
THAT'S BEEN ON MY HEART
WHICH I'VE PROBABLY

00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.667
BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION
A MILLION TIMES.

00:48:29.767 --> 00:48:30.967
>> I KNEW SHE HAD
A QUESTION.

00:48:31.067 --> 00:48:32.234
>> I KNEW IT.


00:48:32.334 --> 00:48:35.200
>> SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN
BOTHERING ME AND IT'S THE RISE

00:48:35.300 --> 00:48:38.767
YOU KNOW, WHEN OCTOBER
7TH HAPPENED, WEIRDISHLY,

00:48:38.867 --> 00:48:41.300
WHICH I SAY IT'S WEIRD
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ISRAEL

00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.233
GOT HORRENDOUSLY ATTACKED,
PEOPLE GOT KIDNAPPED AND

00:48:44.333 --> 00:48:47.666
PUT IN TUNNELS UNDERGROUND,
AND THERE ARE STILL HOSTAGES

00:48:47.766 --> 00:48:51.200
DOWN THERE AND THERE WAS
A RISE OF ANTI-SEMITISM,

00:48:51.300 --> 00:48:53.000
WHICH WAS WILD TO ME.


00:48:53.100 --> 00:48:55.766
IT'S ONLY GOTTEN WORSE AND
WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS

00:48:55.866 --> 00:48:57.700
I'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT
THIS, IS THERE'S BEEN

00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.200
PEOPLE IN MOVEMENTS
AND PEOPLE I'VE LISTENED TO

00:49:01.300 --> 00:49:05.667
THAT HAVE BECOME ANTISEMITIC.


00:49:06.933 --> 00:49:08.800
>> WHY IS THAT HAPPENING?


00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:10.500
>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S WE
DON'T RUSTLE AGAINST

00:49:10.600 --> 00:49:12.500
FLESH AND BLOOD, RIGHT, BUT
AGAINST PRINCIPALITIES,

00:49:12.600 --> 00:49:14.400
POWERS, SPIRITUAL
WICKEDNESS.

00:49:14.500 --> 00:49:15.433
I THINK THERE'S A SPIRIT


00:49:15.533 --> 00:49:18.034
THAT'S ALWAYS HATED THE JEWS
BECAUSE THE JEWS

00:49:18.134 --> 00:49:20.300
ARE BRINGING FORTH
MESSIAH, RIGHT,

00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:21.733
AND MESSIAH CAME,
HIS NAME'S JESUS.

00:49:21.833 --> 00:49:22.833
HE'S COMING BACK.


00:49:22.933 --> 00:49:25.533
A JEW IS COMING BACK TO
RULE THE WORLD AND --

00:49:25.633 --> 00:49:28.167
>> SO THEY ARE LIKE THE
GREATEST THREAT TO THE --

00:49:28.267 --> 00:49:29.966
IN A WAY, TO THE ENEMY,
BECAUSE THEY WILL HELP

00:49:30.066 --> 00:49:31.433
BRING THAT ABOUT?


00:49:31.533 --> 00:49:33.067
>> YEAH. I MEAN, THEY --


00:49:33.167 --> 00:49:34.333
THAT'S WHERE THE
COVENANTS CAME FROM.

00:49:34.433 --> 00:49:35.434
THAT'S WHERE THE
SCRIPTURES CAME FROM.

00:49:35.534 --> 00:49:37.033
IT'S WHERE THE
PROPHETS CAME FROM.

00:49:37.133 --> 00:49:39.567
THE 23RD PSALM
CAME FROM THEM, RIGHT?

00:49:39.667 --> 00:49:41.266
MATTHEW, MARK,
LUKE AND JOHN.

00:49:41.366 --> 00:49:43.134
ALL OF THESE
THINGS WRITTEN,

00:49:43.234 --> 00:49:45.066
YOU KNOW, THIS IS
ALL JEWISH

00:49:45.166 --> 00:49:47.334
MATERIAL THAT'S
RELEASED TO THE EARTH.

00:49:47.434 --> 00:49:50.300
AND SO THERE IS THIS
ANTI-SEMITIC SPIRIT

00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.967
AND IT'S BEEN
STRANGE TO WATCH HAMAS

00:49:53.067 --> 00:49:56.800
LIKE YOU SAY, ATTACK ISRAEL,
AND FOR THE WHOLE WORLD

00:49:56.900 --> 00:49:58.633
TO GET MAD AT THE
JEWS ABOUT IT.

00:49:58.733 --> 00:50:00.800
AND IT'S LIKE, OF COURSE, YOU
PUNCH ME IN THE MOUTH,

00:50:00.900 --> 00:50:02.634
I PUNCH BACK, RIGHT?


00:50:02.734 --> 00:50:04.066
OH, JESUS, TURNS
THE OTHER CHEEK.

00:50:04.166 --> 00:50:06.300
I DON'T YET.


00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:07.766
SO THEY SMACKED, YOU KNOW,


00:50:07.866 --> 00:50:08.867
THEY SMACKED THEM.


00:50:08.967 --> 00:50:10.267
AND, OF COURSE,


00:50:10.367 --> 00:50:11.800
YOU GO POKING
THE BEAR, RIGHT,

00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:13.167
YOU GET THE TEETH.


00:50:13.267 --> 00:50:16.034
AND NOW YOU WATCH
EVEN SOME

00:50:16.134 --> 00:50:19.734
CONSERVATIVE INFLUENCERS
THAT I LIKE,

00:50:19.834 --> 00:50:21.500
AND I HAVE LIKED,
ALL OF A SUDDEN,

00:50:21.600 --> 00:50:24.000
IT'S LIKE THEY GOT ALL
THIS ON THEIR BODY

00:50:24.100 --> 00:50:24.834
WITH THEIR SPIRIT.


00:50:24.934 --> 00:50:25.766
THEY SOUND LIKE
ADOLF HITLER.

00:50:25.866 --> 00:50:27.033
AND I'M LIKE, DID YOU
JUST COME OUT OF

00:50:27.133 --> 00:50:28.600
SOME NEO-NAZI MOVEMENT?


00:50:28.700 --> 00:50:29.500
>> REBECCA: IT'S SO WEIRD.


00:50:29.600 --> 00:50:30.567
>> IT'S CRAZY.


00:50:30.667 --> 00:50:32.066
I THINK THAT THEY'RE --


00:50:32.166 --> 00:50:34.733
THERE'S SOME PEOPLE
PULLING THE STRINGS BACK THERE.

00:50:34.833 --> 00:50:36.566
UM, I THINK SOME OF THESE
PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME

00:50:36.666 --> 00:50:39.133
SEPARATING -- ALL RIGHT,
I'LL SAY IT LIKE THIS.

00:50:39.233 --> 00:50:40.800
I AM PRO-AMERICA.


00:50:40.900 --> 00:50:42.733
I'M AN AMERICAN,
RED, WHITE AND BLUE.

00:50:42.833 --> 00:50:44.667
A HUNDRED PERCENT,
I'M ALL IN.

00:50:44.767 --> 00:50:46.566
BUT I ALSO
KNOW THAT AMERICA,

00:50:46.666 --> 00:50:48.300
WE'VE DONE SOME
SHADY STUFF.

00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:49.767
>> REBECCA: OH, YEAH,
THE GOVERNMENT.

00:50:49.867 --> 00:50:50.566
>> WOULD Y'ALL AGREE
WITH ME, WE'VE DONE

00:50:50.666 --> 00:50:51.500
SOME SHADY STUFF?


00:50:51.600 --> 00:50:52.900
>> ALL: YEAH.


00:50:54.067 --> 00:50:55.500
>> WE'VE DONE SOME
HORRIFIC THINGS.

00:50:55.600 --> 00:50:57.333
BUT JUST BECAUSE WE'VE DONE
SOME HORRIFIC THINGS

00:50:57.433 --> 00:51:00.067
DOESN'T MEAN I THINK THE WHOLE
OF AMERICA IS TERRIBLE.

00:51:00.167 --> 00:51:02.067
I THINK THEY'RE -- I THINK
HAS ISRAEL DONE SOME

00:51:02.167 --> 00:51:04.700
SHADY STUFF AT SOME
TIME? ABSOLUTELY.

00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:05.466
100 PERCENT.


00:51:05.566 --> 00:51:06.567
>> TOTALLY.


00:51:06.667 --> 00:51:07.900
>> EVERYBODY'S INTELLIGENCE
AGENCIES HAVE DONE

00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:09.100
CRAZY STUFF.


00:51:09.200 --> 00:51:11.500
SO THEY'LL TAKE A STORY
THAT THEY GET

00:51:11.600 --> 00:51:13.700
WHERE SOMETHING
TERRIBLE HAPPENED.

00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:15.200
THEY MAGNIFY IT.


00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:16.333
THEY POUR FUEL ON IT.


00:51:16.433 --> 00:51:19.167
AND THEY TAKE THAT ONE
EVIL, WICKED ACTION

00:51:19.267 --> 00:51:20.666
AND MAKE IT REPRESENT
A WHOLE PEOPLE

00:51:20.766 --> 00:51:21.700
IN A NATION.


00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:23.500
WE HAVE TO SEE PAST THAT.


00:51:23.600 --> 00:51:25.767
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT GOD
MADE A COVENANT WITH,

00:51:25.867 --> 00:51:27.100
VIEW IT THROUGH THE
BIBLICAL LENS.

00:51:27.200 --> 00:51:28.134
ARE THEY PERFECT?
NO.

00:51:28.234 --> 00:51:30.067
ARE THEIR LEADERSHIP PERFECT?
NO.

00:51:30.167 --> 00:51:31.200
ARE WE PERFECT? NO.


00:51:31.300 --> 00:51:34.367
OR IS OUR LEADERSHIP PERFECT?
NO.

00:51:34.467 --> 00:51:35.967
YOU HAVE TO SEE
IT THROUGH THAT LENS.

00:51:36.067 --> 00:51:38.833
IF NOT, THE DEVIL CAN TAKE
SOMETHING AND TURN IT,

00:51:38.933 --> 00:51:40.067
TURN IT IN YOUR HEART.


00:51:40.167 --> 00:51:41.000
I THINK THAT'S
WHAT'S HAPPENING

00:51:41.100 --> 00:51:42.334
WITH SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.


00:51:42.434 --> 00:51:45.267
>> IT IS. AND I FEEL LIKE
BECAUSE GOD'S

00:51:45.367 --> 00:51:47.900
COVENANT LAND AND COVENANT
PEOPLE ARE TANGIBLE

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:49.367
AND THEY'RE HERE,


00:51:49.467 --> 00:51:52.933
THE ENEMY HAS A WAY
TO AN ACTUAL TARGET

00:51:53.033 --> 00:51:54.067
THAT HE CAN GO AFTER.


00:51:54.167 --> 00:51:56.467
AND IF HE CAN STIR UP
ENOUGH HATE

00:51:56.567 --> 00:51:59.800
TO WIPE OUT THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
THAT THWARTS THE PLAN.

00:51:59.900 --> 00:52:01.967
BECAUSE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW,
WHEN ALL OF ISRAEL SAYS...

00:52:02.067 --> 00:52:03.400
[ SPEAKING HEBREW ]


00:52:03.500 --> 00:52:05.000
BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES
IN THE NAME OF THE LORD,

00:52:05.100 --> 00:52:07.267
THAT'S WHEN JESUS LANDS ON
THE MOUNT OF OLIVES

00:52:07.367 --> 00:52:09.134
AND THEN GOES TO THE
EASTERN GATE.

00:52:09.234 --> 00:52:13.200
I MEAN, WE SEE LIKE THE
MUSLIMS HAVE BUILT A CEMETERY

00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:14.466
IN FRONT OF IT TO
TRY AND BLOCK HIM,

00:52:14.566 --> 00:52:15.700
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
JEWISH PEOPLE

00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:17.334
DON'T WALK NEAR THE DEAD.


00:52:17.434 --> 00:52:19.700
BUT IT'S LIKE, HE'S GOING
TO BLAST THROUGH THAT.

00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:20.933
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T
EVEN MATTER.

00:52:21.033 --> 00:52:25.434
BUT ALL THAT TO SAY, THERE IS AN
ATTACK AND IT'S SPIRITUAL.

00:52:25.534 --> 00:52:28.000
AND SO THE PART THAT REALLY
GRIEVES ME IS WHEN I SEE

00:52:28.100 --> 00:52:32.000
CHRISTIANS THAT AREN'T
WALKING IN THE FULLNESS OF

00:52:32.100 --> 00:52:34.000
THEIR IDENTITY KNOWING
THAT THEY ARE PART OF

00:52:34.100 --> 00:52:37.266
THE ONE NEW MAN, PART OF
GOD'S ONE ETERNAL PLAN,

00:52:37.366 --> 00:52:40.633
THAT IS RESTORING THE
NATION OF ISRAEL TO HIMSELF.

00:52:40.733 --> 00:52:41.700
JESUS COMES, HE SAYS,


00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.700
I'M HERE FOR
THE HOUSE OF?

00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:45.667
>> ISRAEL.


00:52:45.767 --> 00:52:46.733
>> YEAH, ISRAEL.


00:52:46.833 --> 00:52:48.534
SO HE'S HERE FOR THE
HOUSE OF ISRAEL, RIGHT,

00:52:48.634 --> 00:52:49.700
SO WE KNOW THAT.


00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.767
WE KNOW THAT WE NEED
TO WALK WITH

00:52:51.867 --> 00:52:53.900
THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND
STAND WITH GOD'S COVENANT

00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.333
FOR THEM BECAUSE ULTIMATELY
IT'S US AS BELIEVERS

00:52:57.433 --> 00:52:59.633
THAT ARE SHOWING
THEM THE LOVE OF YESHUA,

00:52:59.733 --> 00:53:00.767
THE LOVE OF JESUS,


00:53:00.867 --> 00:53:02.467
THAT'S GOING TO TURN
THEM TO THE LORD;

00:53:02.567 --> 00:53:03.800
THAT'S GOING TO
HAVE THEM CRY OUT...

00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:05.433
[ SPEAKING HEBREW ]


00:53:05.533 --> 00:53:06.433
THAT'S GOING TO USHER
BACK IN,

00:53:06.533 --> 00:53:08.300
YOU KNOW, JESUS' RETURN.


00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.033
SO I JUST THINK THAT THE WHOLE
THING IS SO SPIRITUAL.

00:53:12.133 --> 00:53:12.900
>> IT IS.


00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.133
>> YOU CAN'T EVEN
RATIONALIZE IT.

00:53:14.233 --> 00:53:15.900
YOU KNOW, THE HATRED
OF THE JEWS IS LIKE --

00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.300
>> OH, IT'S --


00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:18.600
>> IT'S BEEN AROUND FOREVER.


00:53:18.700 --> 00:53:21.333
>> WELL, ROMANS 11 SAYS THAT IF
THE JEWS -- IF THE JEWS

00:53:21.433 --> 00:53:24.067
REJECTION OF JESUS MEANT
THAT THE GENTILES

00:53:24.167 --> 00:53:26.900
WOULD RECEIVE, YOU KNOW,
THE GOOD NEWS,

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.600
THEIR ACCEPTANCE OF YESHUA


00:53:28.700 --> 00:53:30.967
WOULD MEAN RESURRECTION
FROM THE DEAD.

00:53:31.067 --> 00:53:35.567
AND SO WE KNOW THAT WHEN THAT
HAPPENS, THAT END TIME,

00:53:35.667 --> 00:53:36.967
YOU KNOW, AND SO OF COURSE THE
ENEMY IS GOING TO WANT TO

00:53:37.067 --> 00:53:38.900
TRY TO EITHER SLOW THAT
OR STOP THAT.

00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.300
HE CAN'T STOP GOD, BUT HE'LL TRY
TO DO WHATEVER HE CAN

00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:45.800
TO MESS WITH THAT PURPOSE AND
THAT CALLING AND THAT'S WHERE

00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:49.800
THE CHURCH -- YOU CAN'T BE
MORE INFLUENCED BY THE NEWS,

00:53:49.900 --> 00:53:51.833
OR PEOPLE'S OPINION,
OR CULTURE, THAN THE WORD

00:53:51.933 --> 00:53:54.633
OF GOD, BUT A LOT OF
CHRISTIANS AREN'T DISCIPLED

00:53:54.733 --> 00:53:57.300
AND THEY DON'T HAVE THIS
REVELATION OF ISRAEL.

00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:58.934
AND SO THAT'S WHY
SOMETIMES THEY STAND

00:53:59.034 --> 00:54:00.734
AGAINST ISRAEL, THINKING
THAT THEY'RE DOING

00:54:00.834 --> 00:54:03.400
SOMETHING GOOD,
BUT IT'S NOT.

00:54:03.500 --> 00:54:04.367
>> INTERESTING POINT, TOO,


00:54:04.467 --> 00:54:06.433
WE WERE DOING A PANEL
WITH GENE BAILEY,

00:54:06.533 --> 00:54:08.667
AND GENE BROUGHT UP THIS
REALLY INTERESTING THING.

00:54:08.767 --> 00:54:10.867
HE SAID, YOU KNOW
EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON X

00:54:10.967 --> 00:54:12.733
OBVIOUSLY IS NOT TRUE.


00:54:12.833 --> 00:54:14.500
AND WE GO, OH, YEAH,
OF COURSE,

00:54:14.600 --> 00:54:16.434
BUT HE STARTED
BRINGING UP VIDEOS

00:54:16.534 --> 00:54:19.533
SHOWING THINGS
ISRAEL HAD DONE SUPPOSEDLY,

00:54:19.633 --> 00:54:21.400
OR, YOU KNOW, EXPLOSIONS IN
AN AREA AND HE SAID

00:54:21.500 --> 00:54:23.133
THAT WASN'T ISRAEL.


00:54:23.233 --> 00:54:25.034
THAT WAS A VIDEO
OF ANOTHER NATION.

00:54:25.134 --> 00:54:26.700
SOMETHING HAPPENING
AND EVERYBODY GOES,

00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:27.933
OH, LOOK AT WHAT'S
TAKING PLACE.

00:54:28.033 --> 00:54:29.600
LOOK AT THIS NARRATIVE.


00:54:29.700 --> 00:54:32.966
AND SO THIS GENERATION IS
BEING SOLD A BILL OF GOODS

00:54:33.066 --> 00:54:34.833
ABOUT ISRAEL, BEING SOLD
A BILL OF GOODS

00:54:34.933 --> 00:54:36.666
ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S
HAPPENING,

00:54:36.766 --> 00:54:39.000
BUT THAT ALSO IS PART
OF THE GREAT DECEPTION.

00:54:39.100 --> 00:54:41.200
THERE'S A MECHANISM THAT
WANTS THAT, AND THERE'S

00:54:41.300 --> 00:54:44.934
NEVER BEEN A PEOPLE GROUP
HATED LIKE THE JEWS.

00:54:45.034 --> 00:54:46.067
>> I KNOW. I TOLD HER WHEN WE
WERE GETTING MARRIED,

00:54:46.167 --> 00:54:48.100
I WAS LIKE, WATCH OUT,
BECAUSE I'M JEWISH AND NOW

00:54:48.200 --> 00:54:51.433
THAT YOU'RE MARRYING A JEW,
YOU'RE GOING TO GET HATED ON.

00:54:51.533 --> 00:54:52.467
AND HAVEN'T YOU
GOTTEN HATED ON?

00:54:52.567 --> 00:54:55.200
>> YEAH. THERE'S BEEN
A SHIFT.

00:54:55.300 --> 00:54:56.900
>> CRAZY.


00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:57.933
>> I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,


00:54:58.033 --> 00:54:59.566
WE'RE IN THIS UNIQUE
TIME PERIOD RIGHT NOW.

00:54:59.666 --> 00:55:02.400
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN
THIS EPISODE'S GOING TO DROP,

00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:08.200
BUT WE'RE IN THIS ISRAEL
IS AT AN ACTIVE WAR WITH IRAN.

00:55:08.300 --> 00:55:08.834
>> JOSEPH: AT THIS TIME, YEAH.


00:55:08.934 --> 00:55:09.700
>> AT THIS TIME.


00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:10.800
SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY


00:55:10.900 --> 00:55:12.066
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN
3 OR 4 WEEKS WHEN THIS

00:55:12.166 --> 00:55:17.067
EPISODE DROPS, BUT THERE'S
A LOT OF HATE ON NEWS OUTLETS,

00:55:17.167 --> 00:55:19.067
SOCIAL MEDIA
INFLUENCERS, EVEN SOME

00:55:19.167 --> 00:55:21.334
CONSERVATIVE ONES THAT ALL
OF US, YOU KNOW, READ

00:55:21.434 --> 00:55:25.267
AND LISTEN TO, AND I JUST
THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT

00:55:25.367 --> 00:55:29.100
TO PUT INTO CONTEXT WHY
THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE

00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:31.467
IT'S NOT LIKE ISRAEL WOKE
UP AND SAID NOW WOULD BE A

00:55:31.567 --> 00:55:35.700
GREAT DAY TO FIRE ROCKETS
AND DESTROY ANOTHER

00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:37.767
NATION'S MILITARY
INFRASTRUCTURE, NO.

00:55:37.867 --> 00:55:40.633
IN FACT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY
HAPPENING IS WE'RE LOOKING

00:55:40.733 --> 00:55:44.266
AT FIVE DECADES OF AN
IRANIAN REGIME THAT HAS

00:55:44.366 --> 00:55:49.267
TORMENTED THEIR OWN PEOPLE,
BASICALLY BINDED THEM

00:55:49.367 --> 00:55:52.234
FROM HAVING ANY SORT OF
FREEDOM AND FUNDED TERROR

00:55:52.334 --> 00:55:55.800
GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD
FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL

00:55:55.900 --> 00:55:57.634
AND ULTIMATELY DESTRUCTION OF
THE UNITED STATES.

00:55:57.734 --> 00:55:59.134
THEY CALL ISRAEL
THE LITTLE SATAN.

00:55:59.234 --> 00:56:00.900
THE USA IS THE BIG SATAN.


00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:01.966
THEY WANT US, YOU KNOW,


00:56:02.066 --> 00:56:03.334
BING, BANG, BOOM.


00:56:03.434 --> 00:56:05.366
YOU KNOW, ISRAEL, JUST
IS CLOSER TO THEM.

00:56:05.466 --> 00:56:07.333
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF
TIME BEFORE THEY,

00:56:07.433 --> 00:56:09.767
YOU KNOW, WORK THEIR
WAY OVER TO THEM.

00:56:09.867 --> 00:56:12.167
I THINK THAT THE
REASON WHY ISRAEL

00:56:12.267 --> 00:56:15.033
DID THIS STRIKE NOW ISN'T
SO MUCH ABOUT

00:56:15.133 --> 00:56:19.233
KILLING OR DISMANTLING,


00:56:19.333 --> 00:56:23.733
IT'S ABOUT THE PRESIDENT
THAT THE U.S. HAS

00:56:23.833 --> 00:56:25.967
THAT GIVES THEM THE BACKING


00:56:26.067 --> 00:56:30.533
TO NOW CHANGE
THE LAND INFRASTRUCTURE,

00:56:30.633 --> 00:56:33.567
CHANGE THE LAND, THE REGIME
WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST,

00:56:33.667 --> 00:56:39.400
THAT WILL SET UP THE NEXT
PHASE OF THE END TIMES.

00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:42.967
SO I MEAN GOING INTO LIKE
WHAT DO WE SEE HAPPENING

00:56:43.067 --> 00:56:47.834
AT THE END OF THE END?


00:56:47.934 --> 00:56:49.634
THERE'S A RESTRUCTION
OF A TEMPLE.

00:56:49.734 --> 00:56:50.634
>> YEAH.


00:56:50.734 --> 00:56:53.134
PEOPLE RIGHT NOW


00:56:53.234 --> 00:56:54.500
WILL BE
LOOKING AND SAYING,

00:56:54.600 --> 00:56:55.833
HEY, IS THIS,


00:56:55.933 --> 00:56:58.467
IS THIS THE BEGINNING
OF THE FORMATION

00:56:58.567 --> 00:57:01.333
OF THESE NATIONS AND ARE WE
HEADED THIS DIRECTION?

00:57:01.433 --> 00:57:04.000
I DON'T THINK WE'RE --
WE'RE TOWARDS THE END,

00:57:04.100 --> 00:57:05.533
BUT THE END IS NOT YET.


00:57:05.633 --> 00:57:06.467
I'LL SAY IT LIKE THAT.


00:57:06.567 --> 00:57:07.200
>> JOSEPH: YEAH.


00:57:07.300 --> 00:57:08.000
>> I DO BELIEVE RIGHT NOW


00:57:08.100 --> 00:57:09.633
AND WHAT I SEE
PROPHETICALLY

00:57:09.733 --> 00:57:13.200
AND I SAID IT EARLIER
TODAY, AS I SEE A POTTER

00:57:13.300 --> 00:57:17.434
WITH AN IRON ROD AND HE'S
SMASHING VESSELS, RIGHT,

00:57:17.534 --> 00:57:19.600
AND HE'S PICKING UP THE PIECES
AND HE'S BEGINNING TO

00:57:19.700 --> 00:57:21.800
ASSEMBLE NEW POTTERY.


00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:24.433
AND THAT PEOPLE SHOULD
LOOK FOR NEW ALLIANCES

00:57:24.533 --> 00:57:27.267
AND STRANGE CONNECTIONS
BETWEEN GOVERNMENTS

00:57:27.367 --> 00:57:30.266
COMING IN THE NEXT
EIGHT WEEKS OR SO.

00:57:30.366 --> 00:57:31.800
AND GOD'S COMING AND HE'S SAYING


00:57:31.900 --> 00:57:34.466
I'M GOING TO SET UP
MY CHESSBOARD, RIGHT.

00:57:34.566 --> 00:57:36.833
HE'S THE ULTIMATE CHESS
MASTER AND HE'S SETTING UP

00:57:36.933 --> 00:57:40.133
HIS BATTLEFIELD AND HE'S
THE ULTIMATE LORD OF WAR.

00:57:40.233 --> 00:57:42.100
BUT WE DO KNOW SOME THINGS
HAVE TO HAPPEN, RIGHT?

00:57:42.200 --> 00:57:44.600
DAMASCUS HAS TO
BE DESTROYED.

00:57:44.700 --> 00:57:45.666
THERE'S A TEMPLE


00:57:45.766 --> 00:57:48.866
I BELIEVE THAT HAS TO
BE BUILT BACK UP THERE

00:57:48.966 --> 00:57:51.167
IN THE MIDST
OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT.

00:57:51.267 --> 00:57:52.433
>> JONATHAN: RIGHT.


00:57:52.533 --> 00:57:54.533
>> IT'S GOT TO BE PUT BACK
UP THERE IN THE MOUNTAIN.

00:57:54.633 --> 00:57:56.300
I MEAN, WE ALL BELIEVE
THESE THINGS.

00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.900
WE BELIEVE ARMAGEDDON IS
COMING AT A CERTAIN TIME.

00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.100
UH, SO WE KNOW THESE
THINGS ARE IMMINENT.

00:58:01.200 --> 00:58:03.700
BUT WHEN I SEE WARS AND
RUMORS OF WARS,

00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:05.667
AND TROUBLE LIKE THIS,


00:58:05.767 --> 00:58:07.533
ESPECIALLY IN THE
LAND OF THE BIBLE,

00:58:07.633 --> 00:58:08.667
A LOT OF PEOPLE
GET TRIPPED OUT.

00:58:08.767 --> 00:58:10.033
I GET EXCITED.


00:58:10.133 --> 00:58:10.800
I'M LIKE, COME ON, MAN.


00:58:10.900 --> 00:58:11.933
JESUS IS COMING.


00:58:12.033 --> 00:58:13.133
>> JOSEPH: OH, HE'S COMING.


00:58:13.233 --> 00:58:15.433
>> AND I SAY COME QUICKLY,
LORD JESUS.

00:58:15.533 --> 00:58:17.133
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE
WHAT PEOPLE'S

00:58:17.233 --> 00:58:18.400
END-TIMES THEOLOGY IS.


00:58:18.500 --> 00:58:20.700
I WOULD LIKE TO STAY AND
RAISE A LITTLE MORE HELL

00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:21.600
FOR HEAVEN.


00:58:21.700 --> 00:58:23.667
I'M FOR A RAPTURE THEOLOGY.


00:58:23.767 --> 00:58:25.434
WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE,
BUT I'M LIKE CAN'T WE STAY HERE

00:58:25.534 --> 00:58:27.967
AND JUST CAUSE
PROBLEMS FOR THE DEVIL?

00:58:28.067 --> 00:58:29.167
>> THAT'S HOW I FEEL.


00:58:29.267 --> 00:58:31.200
>> THAT'S HIS MINDSET.


00:58:31.300 --> 00:58:32.933
>> DON'T COUNT ME OUT.


00:58:33.033 --> 00:58:35.566
>> WHY DON'T WE JUST HANG AROUND
AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE HIM --

00:58:35.666 --> 00:58:36.633
WE'LL CONTROL A
PART OF THE EARTH

00:58:36.733 --> 00:58:37.867
AND THEY CAN MURDER US, RIGHT?


00:58:37.967 --> 00:58:38.866
>> FOR ETERNITY, YEAH.


00:58:38.966 --> 00:58:39.633
>> IF THEY KILL US
WE'LL WAKE UP.

00:58:39.733 --> 00:58:41.100
IT'S LIKE --


00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:43.200
>> YOU KNOW THE WHOLE THING
ABOUT END-TIME THEOLOGY

00:58:43.300 --> 00:58:46.034
EVERYBODY ARGUES ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR

00:58:46.134 --> 00:58:48.433
LIKE, WHAT, 6,000 YEARS
DEPENDING ON WHAT

00:58:48.533 --> 00:58:49.566
YOU BELIEVE THAT WAY?


00:58:49.666 --> 00:58:50.666
>> REBECCA: YEAH.


00:58:50.766 --> 00:58:52.066
>> AND THEN GOING FORWARD
AND I LIKE OLDER THEORY,

00:58:52.166 --> 00:58:54.034
BUT I'LL JUST
LEAVE THAT ALONE.

00:58:55.067 --> 00:58:56.267
>> YOU GET INTO THAT.


00:58:56.367 --> 00:58:58.467
YEAH, PODCAST NUMBER TWO.


00:58:58.567 --> 00:59:00.700
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
THIS, EVERYBODY'S ARGUING

00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.600
ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.


00:59:02.700 --> 00:59:03.866
>> YEAH.


00:59:03.966 --> 00:59:05.833
>> ALL THE END-TIME
THEOLOGY IS OVER SEVEN YEARS.

00:59:05.933 --> 00:59:07.300
>> THAT'S INTERESTING.


00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:08.700
>> YEAH, SEVEN YEARS.


00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:09.800
THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.


00:59:09.900 --> 00:59:11.800
NO, IT'S FASCINATING
WHEN WE LOOK AT

00:59:11.900 --> 00:59:12.934
THE WHOLE PICTURE,


00:59:13.034 --> 00:59:15.900
IRAN, ISRAEL, THE THINGS
THAT ARE

00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.700
TRANSPIRING WITH IT, AND
AT THE END OF THE DAY

00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:21.134
YOU KNOW, JESUS IS GOING
TO BE MADE LORD.

00:59:21.234 --> 00:59:22.900
THESE THINGS ARE
GOING TO HAPPEN.

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:24.500
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE
RIGHT AT THE END EITHER.

00:59:24.600 --> 00:59:25.966
I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.
I KNOW THERE'S --

00:59:26.066 --> 00:59:26.967
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK, TOO.


00:59:28.300 --> 00:59:29.233
>> YOU FEEL IT IN THE SPIRIT.


00:59:29.333 --> 00:59:30.000
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE --


00:59:30.100 --> 00:59:30.900
>> YOU FEEL IT IN THE SPIRIT.


00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:31.833
>> YES.


00:59:31.933 --> 00:59:33.234
>> THE END IS NOT YET.


00:59:33.334 --> 00:59:34.500
>> WHERE THE EARLY CHURCH,


00:59:34.600 --> 00:59:36.634
THEY THOUGHT IT'S
HAPPENING ANY DAY.

00:59:38.700 --> 00:59:40.534
>> SO YOU KNOW THE
FIRST TIME JESUS CAME

00:59:40.634 --> 00:59:42.166
THEY GOT IT ALL MESSED UP.


00:59:42.266 --> 00:59:43.133
>> REBECCA: YEAH.


00:59:43.233 --> 00:59:43.800
>> WE'LL JUST SEE.


00:59:43.900 --> 00:59:44.667
>> YEAH.


00:59:44.767 --> 00:59:45.367
>> NO MAN KNOWS THE HOUR.


00:59:45.467 --> 00:59:46.233
NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY.


00:59:46.333 --> 00:59:47.034
WE JUST HAVE TO
DISCERN THE TIMES

00:59:47.134 --> 00:59:49.033
WE'RE LIVING IN.


00:59:49.133 --> 00:59:50.200
>> JOSEPH: HERE'S AN
INTERESTING SCRIPTURE

00:59:50.300 --> 00:59:51.433
AND THIS IS SOMETHING
I'D LIKE TO

00:59:51.533 --> 00:59:54.933
JUST THROW ON THE TABLE,
MATTHEW 24, VERSE 20, RIGHT,

00:59:55.033 --> 00:59:58.534
JESUS GETS TO PROPHESYING,
WHEN YOU SEE THE WARS

00:59:58.634 --> 00:59:59.800
AND RUMORS OF WARS AND ALL
THE THINGS THAT ARE

00:59:59.900 --> 01:00:01.334
COMING ON THE EARTH,


01:00:01.434 --> 01:00:04.267
AND THEN HE TALKS ABOUT
THE PROPHETIC WORD ABOUT

01:00:04.367 --> 01:00:06.100
THE DESTRUCTION OF
JERUSALEM AT THAT TIME

01:00:06.200 --> 01:00:08.167
AND IT HAPPENED IN 70 A.D.,
RIGHT, TITUS CAME

01:00:08.267 --> 01:00:09.466
AND LEVELED THE PLACE.


01:00:09.566 --> 01:00:12.334
HE TOLD THE BELIEVERS WHEN
YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING,

01:00:12.434 --> 01:00:14.467
RIGHT, GET DOWN
FROM THE ROOFTOPS.

01:00:14.567 --> 01:00:15.966
DON'T EVEN GO BACK INSIDE.


01:00:16.066 --> 01:00:16.766
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.


01:00:16.866 --> 01:00:17.600
GET OUT OF DODGE.


01:00:17.700 --> 01:00:18.900
THAT'S WHY SO MANY CHRISTIANS


01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.000
DID NOT DIE IN THAT SIEGE.


01:00:22.100 --> 01:00:25.067
SO HERE'S WHAT HE SAYS
NEXT THOUGH IN VERSE 20,

01:00:25.167 --> 01:00:29.034
HE SAID PRAY THAT THESE
THINGS DO NOT HAPPEN

01:00:29.134 --> 01:00:33.100
IN THE WINTERTIME
OR ON A SABBATH.

01:00:33.200 --> 01:00:36.167
PRAY, IT'S COMING,


01:00:36.267 --> 01:00:39.300
BUT PRAY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN
IN THE WINTERTIME

01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:41.800
OR ON A SABBATH.


01:00:41.900 --> 01:00:45.300
AND I THINK OF THAT, WHY
DID HE TELL THEM TO PRAY

01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:48.266
IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN THEN?


01:00:48.366 --> 01:00:50.866
WELL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE
WE CAN ALTER IT.

01:00:50.966 --> 01:00:52.634
I BELIEVE WHEN WE PRAY AND
WHAT WE DO THROUGH

01:00:52.734 --> 01:00:54.267
OUR HOLY LIVING RIGHT NOW,


01:00:54.367 --> 01:00:57.533
I THINK WE CAN ALTER THE
TIMELINE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS

01:00:57.633 --> 01:01:00.067
IF GOD HASN'T SET
A TIME AND HE HASN'T SAID

01:01:00.167 --> 01:01:02.567
THIS IS WHEN IT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN, BETWEEN NOW

01:01:02.667 --> 01:01:04.067
AND THAT APPOINTED TIME,


01:01:04.167 --> 01:01:06.300
I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN HAVE
SEASONS OF MERCY,

01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:09.066
LENGTHEN TIME,
SEE THINGS HAPPEN.

01:01:09.166 --> 01:01:10.633
AND THERE'S ALL THESE INNUENDOS


01:01:10.733 --> 01:01:11.600
BY THE
SPIRIT OF THE LORD

01:01:11.700 --> 01:01:13.233
YOU SEE IN LIKE
1 PETER, YOU SEE THESE

01:01:13.333 --> 01:01:15.467
THINGS WHERE IT SAYS WE
THROUGH OUR HOLY LIVING

01:01:15.567 --> 01:01:17.566
CAN HASTEN THE
RETURN OF THE LORD.

01:01:17.666 --> 01:01:18.734
BUT THEN HE SAYS PRAY THAT
THESE THINGS

01:01:18.834 --> 01:01:20.100
DON'T HAPPEN AT THIS TIME.


01:01:20.200 --> 01:01:22.500
THERE'S MOMENTS THAT I
BELIEVE WITH OUR ACTIONS

01:01:22.600 --> 01:01:25.066
AND WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW,
THAT WE CAN STAY OFF

01:01:25.166 --> 01:01:27.000
THE RUSHING OF THE END TIMES.


01:01:27.100 --> 01:01:28.767
THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.


01:01:28.867 --> 01:01:30.167
>> WELL, I
ACTUALLY LIKE IT.

01:01:30.267 --> 01:01:31.966
>> YEAH. YEAH.


01:01:32.066 --> 01:01:32.900
IT'S LIKE --


01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:35.134
IT'S NOT A
FATALISTIC APPROACH.

01:01:35.234 --> 01:01:36.234
>> JOSEPH: NO.


01:01:36.334 --> 01:01:37.633
>> RIGHT? YOU CAN PRAY
AND CHANGE THE NARRATIVE,

01:01:37.733 --> 01:01:40.533
CHANGE THE TIMES, AND WE ARE
SALT AND LIGHT

01:01:40.633 --> 01:01:42.267
AND I THINK YOU CAN BOTH --


01:01:42.367 --> 01:01:44.633
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN SPEED UP
THE COMING OF THE LORD.

01:01:44.733 --> 01:01:46.167
>> JOSEPH: YES, HASTEN.


01:01:46.267 --> 01:01:47.200
>> YOU CAN HASTEN
THE WORK.

01:01:47.300 --> 01:01:50.067
THE BIBLE SAYS THIS GOSPEL
SHALL BE PREACHED

01:01:50.167 --> 01:01:52.400
IN EVERY LIKE ETHNIC TONGUE.


01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:53.433
AND THEN THE
END WILL COME.

01:01:53.533 --> 01:01:54.567
>> YES.


01:01:54.667 --> 01:01:56.133
>> SO THERE'S SOME THING
WHERE IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE

01:01:56.233 --> 01:01:57.800
IF THE CHURCH HIT EVERY
PEOPLE GROUP,

01:01:57.900 --> 01:02:00.000
EVERY TONGUE, RIGHT,
THAT'S THE TIME.

01:02:00.100 --> 01:02:01.000
THE STAGE IS SET.


01:02:01.100 --> 01:02:01.900
CHRIST CAN COME BACK.


01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:03.100
WE CAN BE LAZY ABOUT THAT.


01:02:03.200 --> 01:02:04.066
IT WOULD TAKE FOREVER.


01:02:04.166 --> 01:02:06.433
WE CAN GET AFTER IT,
GET THE KING BACK.

01:02:06.533 --> 01:02:08.267
AND THAT'S WHAT THE
SPIRIT OF ELIJAH DOES.

01:02:08.367 --> 01:02:10.100
JOHN THE BAPTIST
PREPARES THE WAY OF THE LORD.

01:02:10.200 --> 01:02:11.233
>> JOSEPH: YEAH. COME ON.


01:02:11.333 --> 01:02:12.433
>> AND IT GOES RIGHT
WITH WHAT YOUR BOOK'S ABOUT,

01:02:12.533 --> 01:02:15.100
RIGHT WITH WHAT THE
HEART OF GOD IS ABOUT.

01:02:15.200 --> 01:02:16.867
WE'RE GOING TO BRING
BACK THE KING

01:02:16.967 --> 01:02:17.900
AND WE DO IT THROUGH --


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>> GONNA BRING BACK THE KING.


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>> RIGHT. PROPHETIC ACTION
AND DOING WHAT

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WE'RE TOLD TO DO.


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>> THAT'S GOOD.


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>> PUT A RIBBON
ON IT, REBECCA.

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>> I WANT TO SAY
THIS REAL QUICK.

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THIS PODCAST IS AWESOME.


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AND FOR EVERYBODY
WHO'S WATCHING,

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YOU'RE WATCHING
<i>THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.</i>

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I JUST WANT TO SAY
SUBSCRIBE TO THIS.

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FOLLOW REBECCA.


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SHE HAS THE BEST
GUESTS ON HERE.

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IT'S JUST THE
GREATEST INTERVIEWS.

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I ENJOY YOUR PODCASTS SO MUCH,


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LIKE, WE WATCH THEM,


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WE LISTEN TO THEM.


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AND I JUST THINK YOU DO
AN EXCELLENT JOB.

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AND SO, JONATHAN,
REBECCA, THANK YOU.

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SO IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS,
SUBSCRIBE TO

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<i>THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.</i>


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YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THIS.


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GET ALL THE NOTIFICATIONS.


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GO TO YOUTUBE.


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FIND THE PAGE, SUBSCRIBE,
LIKE, HIT A LITTLE BELL.

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DO ALL THE THINGS
BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU

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YOU'RE GOING TO GET
MORE AND MORE GREAT DATA

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WITH REAL-TIME CONVERSATION
LIKE THIS.

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SO I JUST ENCOURAGE
YOU TO DO THAT.

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THIS IS A WONDERFUL MINISTRY.


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>> WELL, THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR THAT.

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AND THANK YOU ALL
FOR BEING HERE.