WEBVTT 00:00:09.433 --> 00:00:10.667 REBECCA: ALL RIGHT, HI. 00:00:10.767 --> 00:00:12.167 ALAN: HI. 00:00:12.267 --> 00:00:13.167 REBECCA: GUYS, WE HAVE -- 00:00:13.267 --> 00:00:13.967 ALAN: GOOD TO SEE YOU. 00:00:14.067 --> 00:00:14.833 REBECCA: WE HAVE ALAN DIDIO HERE. 00:00:14.933 --> 00:00:15.567 ALAN: YEAH. 00:00:15.667 --> 00:00:16.067 REBECCA: DID I SAY IT RIGHT? 00:00:16.167 --> 00:00:16.567 ALAN: SO GOOD. 00:00:16.667 --> 00:00:17.466 REBECCA: YES! 00:00:17.566 --> 00:00:18.567 I GOTTA DO, 00:00:18.667 --> 00:00:19.700 I GOTTA DO THE NAME QUICKLY. 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:20.800 ALAN: YOU GOTTA HAVE A LITTLE ITALIAN IN YOU 00:00:20.900 --> 00:00:21.567 TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT CORRECTLY. 00:00:21.667 --> 00:00:22.133 REBECCA: HEY! 00:00:22.233 --> 00:00:22.934 ALAN: YEAH. 00:00:23.034 --> 00:00:23.800 REBECCA: IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? 00:00:23.900 --> 00:00:24.334 ALAN: YEAH, YEAH. 00:00:24.434 --> 00:00:25.367 REBECCA: DIDIO. 00:00:25.467 --> 00:00:26.334 ALAN: DIDIO, YEAH, YOU GOT TO MAKE IT SING. 00:00:26.434 --> 00:00:27.466 REBECCA: AND THE ITALIAN HANDS, YES. 00:00:27.566 --> 00:00:28.633 OKAY. 00:00:28.733 --> 00:00:31.234 ALAN, YOU'RE A PASTOR. 00:00:31.334 --> 00:00:32.666 WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR BOOK, 00:00:32.766 --> 00:00:34.300 THEY LIED TO YOU ABOUT THE RAPTURE. 00:00:34.400 --> 00:00:36.067 SO YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO STAY TUNED BECAUSE 00:00:36.167 --> 00:00:37.767 EVERYONE, BUT I'M TELLING YOU GUYS, 00:00:37.867 --> 00:00:39.334 I'VE HEARD A LOT OF STUFF ABOUT THE RAPTURE, 00:00:39.434 --> 00:00:40.534 AND THIS IS FRESH CONTENT. 00:00:40.634 --> 00:00:42.000 SO STAY TUNED, 00:00:42.100 --> 00:00:44.033 BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR TESTIMONY. 00:00:44.133 --> 00:00:45.567 SO YOU DID NOT GROW UP 00:00:45.667 --> 00:00:46.900 AS A CHRISTIAN? 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:47.866 ALAN: NO. 00:00:47.966 --> 00:00:49.367 REBECCA: TELL US HOW DID YOU GET SAVED? 00:00:49.467 --> 00:00:50.000 ALAN: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, 00:00:50.100 --> 00:00:50.733 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 00:00:50.833 --> 00:00:51.967 REBECCA: OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. 00:00:52.067 --> 00:00:52.767 ALAN: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HERE. 00:00:52.867 --> 00:00:53.834 REBECCA: I KNOW. 00:00:53.934 --> 00:00:56.100 ALAN: IN THIS COOL LITTLE ROOM WITH 30 PEOPLE. 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:56.934 REBECCA: I KNOW. 00:00:57.034 --> 00:00:58.567 ALAN: THIS SMALL LITTLE SPACE, 00:00:58.667 --> 00:01:00.066 BUT IT'S SO AMAZING. 00:01:00.166 --> 00:01:01.133 UM, NO, 00:01:01.233 --> 00:01:03.000 I WAS AN ATHEIST AND RAISED IN THE BUCKLE OF 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:04.233 THE BIBLE BELT. 00:01:04.333 --> 00:01:05.767 AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE. 00:01:05.867 --> 00:01:07.067 NOW MY PARENTS PROBABLY WOULD 00:01:07.167 --> 00:01:09.233 HAVE IDENTIFIED AS CHRISTIAN. 00:01:09.333 --> 00:01:10.500 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN IDENTIFY AS ANYTHING. 00:01:10.600 --> 00:01:12.600 REBECCA: EVERY ONE DID IN THE SOUTH FOR THE MOST PART. 00:01:12.700 --> 00:01:13.200 ALAN: OF COURSE. 00:01:13.300 --> 00:01:14.333 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:01:14.433 --> 00:01:16.333 ALAN: IT'S KIND OF YOU'RE BORN INTO IT, YOU KNOW. 00:01:16.433 --> 00:01:17.267 UM, BUT I... 00:01:17.367 --> 00:01:18.300 REBECCA: DID YOU EVER GO TO CHURCH? 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.466 ALAN: WHEN THERE WAS CHRISTMAS POINSETTIAS OR 00:01:20.566 --> 00:01:23.034 EASTER LILIES DECORATING THE FOYER, MAYBE. 00:01:23.134 --> 00:01:24.200 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:25.600 ALAN: AND SOMETIMES THERE WAS ALWAYS A BOY IN A ROBE 00:01:25.700 --> 00:01:27.267 LIGHTING CANDLES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 00:01:27.367 --> 00:01:30.366 YOU KNOW, SO NO REAL EXPERIENCE. 00:01:30.466 --> 00:01:31.667 REBECCA: WITH GOD. 00:01:31.767 --> 00:01:32.700 ALAN: WITO GOD, OR I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE. 00:01:32.800 --> 00:01:34.167 I THOUGHT THE RED LETTERS IN THE BIBLE WERE 00:01:34.267 --> 00:01:35.633 THE WORDS OF THE DEVIL. 00:01:35.733 --> 00:01:37.567 IT JUST MADE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIL 00:01:37.667 --> 00:01:39.367 WEARS A RED SUIT, RIGHT? 00:01:39.467 --> 00:01:42.067 HE'S GOT RED HORNS, RED PITCHFORK, RED WORDS THAT 00:01:42.167 --> 00:01:43.134 MUST BE WHAT IT MEANS. 00:01:43.234 --> 00:01:44.167 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:01:44.267 --> 00:01:45.966 ALAN: I THOUGHT THE RIBBON WAS THE HANDLE. 00:01:46.066 --> 00:01:46.833 THAT'S HOW YOU CARRIED THE THING. 00:01:46.933 --> 00:01:47.800 I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING. 00:01:47.900 --> 00:01:48.833 REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH, THAT'S FUNNY. 00:01:48.933 --> 00:01:50.100 ALAN: I THOUGHT ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB WERE 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:51.134 A BAND IN THE 60S. 00:01:51.234 --> 00:01:53.200 I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT 00:01:53.300 --> 00:01:54.400 THE BIBLE OR CHRISTIANITY. 00:01:54.500 --> 00:01:57.067 SO, UM, I WAS INVITED TO A CHURCH SERVICE BY A FRIEND 00:01:57.167 --> 00:01:58.333 BECAUSE I LOVE MUSIC. 00:01:58.433 --> 00:02:00.366 I LOVE -- I ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL, ALL KINDS OF MUSIC. 00:02:00.466 --> 00:02:01.466 REBECCA: ME, TOO. 00:02:01.566 --> 00:02:03.233 ALAN: AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME SPECIAL CHOIR 00:02:03.333 --> 00:02:06.166 THAT WAS VISITING AND HE INVITED ME TO COME SEE THE CHOIR. 00:02:06.266 --> 00:02:07.967 SO I'M AN ATHEIST BY THIS POINT. 00:02:08.067 --> 00:02:10.134 I'VE BEEN IN JAIL TWICE. 00:02:10.234 --> 00:02:10.833 I THINK BY THE TIME 00:02:10.933 --> 00:02:12.767 I WAS 17 YEARS OF AGE. 00:02:12.867 --> 00:02:14.900 AND HE INVITES ME TO A CHURCH SERVICE. 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:15.900 AND SO I SAID, OKAY. 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.466 I'LL GO, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SIT IN THE BACK. 00:02:18.566 --> 00:02:19.900 MAKE SURE WE SIT IN THE BACK, CLOSE TO THE EXIT 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:20.967 BECAUSE IF IT GETS WEIRD. 00:02:21.067 --> 00:02:22.634 REBECCA: YEAH, QUICK ESCAPE. 00:02:22.734 --> 00:02:23.666 ALAN: I STILL KIND OF FEEL THAT WAY. 00:02:23.766 --> 00:02:24.600 YOU KNOW... 00:02:24.700 --> 00:02:25.600 REBECCA: ME, TOO. 00:02:25.700 --> 00:02:27.033 ALAN: IF IT GETS WEIRD, 00:02:27.133 --> 00:02:28.367 I GOTTA BE ABLE TO GET OUT, 00:02:28.467 --> 00:02:32.167 BUT NOT SO MUCH LUCK THAT DAY OR SINCE THEN. 00:02:32.267 --> 00:02:35.233 SO SOMEHOW WE ENDED UP ON THE SECOND ROW CENTER AISLE. 00:02:35.333 --> 00:02:36.400 REBECCA: OH, MAN, YOU'RE TRAPPED. 00:02:36.500 --> 00:02:38.900 ALAN: AND IT WAS A PENTECOSTAL CHURCH. 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:40.500 AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN IT. 00:02:40.600 --> 00:02:41.900 I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:42.866 IN OTHER LANGUAGES. 00:02:42.966 --> 00:02:44.233 I THOUGHT THIS IS LIKE AN INTERNATIONAL, 00:02:44.333 --> 00:02:46.000 IS THIS AN INTERNATIONAL CHURCH? 00:02:46.100 --> 00:02:47.067 WHAT IS WHAT - 00:02:47.167 --> 00:02:48.834 I NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW. 00:02:48.934 --> 00:02:49.834 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:02:49.934 --> 00:02:51.667 ALAN: AND THEN AT THE END, THE PREACHER, 00:02:51.767 --> 00:02:53.667 IT WAS THIS FIERY BLACK PREACHER SPITTING 00:02:53.767 --> 00:02:54.833 AND SHOUTING AND SCREAMING. 00:02:54.933 --> 00:02:56.300 I'M LIKE THIS IS WILD. 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:57.733 HE STARTS TO PRAY FOR PEOPLE 00:02:57.833 --> 00:02:58.800 AND THEY FALL IN THE FLOOR. 00:02:58.900 --> 00:02:59.734 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:02:59.834 --> 00:03:01.000 ALAN: LIKE WHAT IS -- AT THAT POINT, 00:03:01.100 --> 00:03:01.600 I THOUGHT, OKAY, 00:03:01.700 --> 00:03:02.866 THIS IS A CULT. 00:03:02.966 --> 00:03:04.900 THEY'RE GOING TO BRING OUT THE -- 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:05.733 REBECCA: THE SNAKES. 00:03:05.833 --> 00:03:06.700 ALAN: THE SNAKES AND THE KOOL-AID, 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:08.634 ANY MINUTE NOW AND START DANCING AROUND. 00:03:08.734 --> 00:03:10.433 SO I'M LIKE WHERE -- I'M LOOKING FOR THE EXIT OR 00:03:10.533 --> 00:03:11.800 WHERE THEY WANT AN EXIT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO 00:03:11.900 --> 00:03:13.633 CREATE ONE IF THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. 00:03:13.733 --> 00:03:15.466 AND AS I'M LOOKING FOR THE EXIT DOOR, 00:03:15.566 --> 00:03:17.800 THE PREACHER POINTS AT ME AND SAYS YOU, COME HERE. 00:03:17.900 --> 00:03:19.033 AND I'M LIKE, 00:03:19.133 --> 00:03:23.100 OH, OH, NO, AND I STEPPED FORWARD AND HE SAYS JUST 00:03:23.200 --> 00:03:26.100 LIKE THE PROPHET ELIJAH LAID ON THAT SHUNAMMITE WOMAN'S SON 00:03:26.200 --> 00:03:28.133 TO BRING HIM TO LIFE IN THE NATURAL, 00:03:28.233 --> 00:03:29.800 I'M LAYING HANDS ON YOU TO BRING YOU TO LIFE 00:03:29.900 --> 00:03:31.000 IN THE SPIRIT. 00:03:31.100 --> 00:03:32.700 YOU WILL LIVE AND NOT DIE. 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.700 AND I WILL MAKE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I CAN DO 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.000 WITH A YOUNG MAN SOLD OUT TO ME. 00:03:37.100 --> 00:03:38.033 HE SAID THAT AND 00:03:38.133 --> 00:03:39.467 THEN HE PUSHED ME DOWN. 00:03:39.567 --> 00:03:41.133 YOU KNOW, HOW PENTECOSTALS GET EXCITED. 00:03:41.233 --> 00:03:42.467 AND I'M ON THE GROUND, 00:03:42.567 --> 00:03:44.000 AND I CAN TELL YOU I DIDN'T FEEL ANYTHING 00:03:44.100 --> 00:03:45.233 AT THAT MOMENT. 00:03:45.333 --> 00:03:47.467 AND THIS IS, THIS IS A WORD FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PRAYING 00:03:47.567 --> 00:03:49.033 FOR UNSAVED LOVED ONES, DON'T PAY ATTENTION 00:03:49.133 --> 00:03:50.533 TO THEIR REACTION. 00:03:50.633 --> 00:03:52.566 DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY FEEL OR SENSE OR 00:03:52.666 --> 00:03:54.600 WHAT THEY SAY BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEM 00:03:54.700 --> 00:03:56.600 IS GREATER THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THEM? 00:03:56.700 --> 00:03:57.934 ALWAYS KNOW THAT. 00:03:58.034 --> 00:03:59.666 SO I'M, I'M ON, I'M ON THE GROUND, 00:03:59.766 --> 00:04:01.500 AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M CONVINCED 00:04:01.600 --> 00:04:02.566 THIS IS A CULT. 00:04:02.666 --> 00:04:04.133 I'M FURIOUS. 00:04:04.233 --> 00:04:06.467 I'M -- I GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE AND I MANAGED AS SOON 00:04:06.567 --> 00:04:08.834 AS I COULD TO GET UP, SQUARE MY WAY OUT. 00:04:08.934 --> 00:04:10.034 AND THE FRIEND WHO BROUGHT ME THERE, 00:04:10.134 --> 00:04:14.700 I THINK I CRACKED THE DASH OF MY CAR CUSSING HIM OUT, 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.234 LEAVING THE CHURCH BUILDING, 00:04:16.334 --> 00:04:17.234 SAYING I'LL NEVER GO 00:04:17.334 --> 00:04:19.500 TO THAT BLANKETY BLANK CHURCH EVER AGAIN. 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:20.334 THREE DAYS LATER, 00:04:20.434 --> 00:04:21.533 I'M BACK AT THE CHURCH AGAIN. 00:04:21.633 --> 00:04:22.867 REBECCA: NO. 00:04:22.967 --> 00:04:24.933 ALAN: SO THROUGHOUT THOSE THREE DAYS, 00:04:25.033 --> 00:04:26.300 THIS WARFARE STARTS TO HAPPEN. 00:04:26.400 --> 00:04:27.100 I DON'T RECOGNIZE IT. 00:04:27.200 --> 00:04:28.567 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 00:04:28.667 --> 00:04:30.300 BUT THIS CLOUD COMES OVER ME, 00:04:30.400 --> 00:04:33.100 AND I KEEP HEARING THESE THOUGHTS IN MY MIND, 00:04:33.200 --> 00:04:34.500 YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY OF THIS. 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:35.467 YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE. 00:04:35.567 --> 00:04:36.467 THIS ISN'T FOR YOU. 00:04:36.567 --> 00:04:38.800 STAY AWAY FROM THESE CHURCH PEOPLE. 00:04:38.900 --> 00:04:41.134 AND THAT'S JUST, JUST CLOUDING MY MIND 00:04:41.234 --> 00:04:41.900 AND LIKE THERE'S NO 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:43.167 PURPOSE FOR YOUR LIFE. 00:04:43.267 --> 00:04:45.000 THERE'S NO GOD, GOD DOESN'T EXIST, 00:04:45.100 --> 00:04:47.400 JUST CONSTANTLY BOMBARDING. 00:04:47.500 --> 00:04:48.366 AND THEN MY FRIEND CAME TO 00:04:48.466 --> 00:04:50.133 ME A COUPLE DAYS LATER AND SAID, LISTEN, 00:04:50.233 --> 00:04:52.067 I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAST -- 00:04:52.167 --> 00:04:53.266 THIS IS A PARTY. 00:04:53.366 --> 00:04:54.966 I'M INVITING YOU TO A PARTY. 00:04:55.066 --> 00:04:57.466 IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHURCH, 00:04:57.566 --> 00:05:00.366 AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF GIRLS AND FREE FOOD. 00:05:00.466 --> 00:05:01.367 THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. 00:05:01.467 --> 00:05:03.434 IT'S LIKE ALL RIGHT, YOU TALKED ME INTO IT. 00:05:03.534 --> 00:05:05.133 AND SO I GO WITH HIM 00:05:05.233 --> 00:05:07.166 TO THIS, TO THIS PARTY AND WE GO INTO THIS 00:05:07.266 --> 00:05:08.900 ROOM AND IT'S LIKE A YOUTH EVENT. 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:10.066 AND THEY'RE PLAYING FOOSBALL 00:05:10.166 --> 00:05:11.900 AND PING PONG AND YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW LOUD 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:12.800 A ROOM IS LIKE THAT. 00:05:12.900 --> 00:05:14.434 YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF TEENAGERS IN IT. 00:05:14.534 --> 00:05:16.366 SO WE WALK INTO THIS ROOM AND AS I WALK IN THAT, 00:05:16.466 --> 00:05:17.534 THAT, THAT CLOUD, 00:05:17.634 --> 00:05:19.800 AND THAT WEIGHT IS JUST GETTING STRONGER. 00:05:19.900 --> 00:05:21.567 YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY OF THIS, GET OUT OF HERE. 00:05:21.667 --> 00:05:22.533 THIS ISN'T FOR YOU. 00:05:22.633 --> 00:05:24.967 STAY AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE AND I JUST, 00:05:25.067 --> 00:05:26.867 I WAS SO OPPRESSED. 00:05:26.967 --> 00:05:29.500 I WENT OVER INTO A CORNER AND SAT BY MYSELF AS 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:30.767 EVERYBODY IS PLAYING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. 00:05:30.867 --> 00:05:32.967 AND THE MOMENT I SAT DOWN AND I'M SITTING THERE, 00:05:33.067 --> 00:05:35.867 I PUT MY HEAD DOWN AND IT WAS LIKE I WAS SUCKED 00:05:35.967 --> 00:05:37.334 INTO A TUNNEL. 00:05:37.434 --> 00:05:38.633 IT WAS LIKE OR UNDERWATER. 00:05:38.733 --> 00:05:39.867 IF YOU EVER BEEN UNDERWATER AND YOU CAN 00:05:39.967 --> 00:05:41.300 HEAR THE SOUND ABOVE THE WATER, 00:05:41.400 --> 00:05:43.200 BUT YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT IS BEING SAID 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:44.334 ABOVE THE WATER. 00:05:44.434 --> 00:05:45.433 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO -- 00:05:45.533 --> 00:05:46.067 REBECCA: IT'S MUFFLED. 00:05:46.167 --> 00:05:47.167 ALAN: YES, IT'S MUFFLED. 00:05:47.267 --> 00:05:47.867 IT'S LIKE, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE SOUND 00:05:47.967 --> 00:05:48.833 AROUND ME AND IT SHOOK ME. 00:05:48.933 --> 00:05:49.700 I LOOKED UP AND I COULD 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:51.366 SEE PEOPLE'S MOUTHS MOVING. 00:05:51.466 --> 00:05:52.934 BUT I COULDN'T HEAR THE WORDS THAT WERE COMING OUT 00:05:53.034 --> 00:05:53.934 OF THEIR MOUTHS. 00:05:54.034 --> 00:05:57.100 ALL I COULD HEAR NOW WAS THAT VOICE. 00:05:57.200 --> 00:05:58.833 BUT NOW IT WAS AUDIBLE 00:05:58.933 --> 00:06:00.600 LIKE MY VOICE IS TO YOU. 00:06:00.700 --> 00:06:02.634 YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ANY OF THIS, GET OUT OF HERE. 00:06:02.734 --> 00:06:03.567 THIS ISN'T FOR YOU. 00:06:03.667 --> 00:06:05.500 IT WAS, IT WAS AUDIBLE. 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:07.166 IT WAS DEMONIC. 00:06:07.266 --> 00:06:08.167 IT WAS REAL. 00:06:08.267 --> 00:06:09.633 AND SINCE, I GET SHIVERS -- 00:06:09.733 --> 00:06:10.700 I'M THINKING ABOUT IT EVEN NOW. 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:11.766 REBECCA: WOW. 00:06:11.866 --> 00:06:12.300 ALAN: IT MAKES THE HAIRS STAND UP ON THE BACK 00:06:12.400 --> 00:06:14.100 OF MY NECK. 00:06:14.200 --> 00:06:15.767 I MEAN, IT'S -- IT WAS, IT WAS PURE EVIL. 00:06:15.867 --> 00:06:16.900 AND IN THAT MOMENT, 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:19.034 GOD, IT'S AS IF HE PULLED THE CURTAIN BACK LIKE 00:06:19.134 --> 00:06:20.133 IN THE WIZARD OF OZ 00:06:20.233 --> 00:06:22.633 TO SHOW WHO WAS REALLY DOING THE TALKING AND HE 00:06:22.733 --> 00:06:25.934 SHOWED ME NUMBER ONE HOW WEAK AND HOW DESPERATE 00:06:26.034 --> 00:06:27.533 THE ENEMY WAS. 00:06:27.633 --> 00:06:29.066 HE SHOWED ME THAT THIS WAS THE ENEMY'S 00:06:29.166 --> 00:06:32.266 LAST EFFORT, THAT HE WAS HANGING ON AS MUCH AS HE 00:06:32.366 --> 00:06:35.133 COULD AND HE SHOWED ME THAT HE'S REAL. 00:06:35.233 --> 00:06:37.700 I MEAN, IT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:39.567 TO SAY IF SATAN IS REAL, 00:06:39.667 --> 00:06:41.000 THEN GOD MUST BE REAL. 00:06:41.100 --> 00:06:42.233 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:06:42.333 --> 00:06:43.500 ALAN: AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO PRAY AT THAT MOMENT. 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:44.900 REBECCA: WAS THAT LIKE A DOWNLOAD OF INFORMATION, 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.033 LIKE A REVELATION GIVEN TO YOU? 00:06:46.133 --> 00:06:48.334 ALAN: YES, I DIDN'T REALLY -- 00:06:48.434 --> 00:06:50.034 I THINK THE MATRIX PICTURED IT THE BEST. 00:06:50.134 --> 00:06:51.566 REMEMBER WHEN HE GETS THIS DOWNLOAD, 00:06:51.666 --> 00:06:53.500 AND HE OPENS HIS EYES AND SAYS I KNOW KUNG FU. 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:54.167 IT WAS, 00:06:54.267 --> 00:06:54.933 YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THAT. 00:06:55.033 --> 00:06:55.900 THAT'S HOW GOD OFTEN MOVES. 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:56.767 JUST IN A MOMENT, 00:06:56.867 --> 00:06:58.667 HE CAN DOWNLOAD A WHOLE ENCYCLOPEDIA 00:06:58.767 --> 00:06:59.667 FULL OF INFORMATION. 00:06:59.767 --> 00:07:01.100 REBECCA: NO, IT'S TRUE WITH REVELATION. 00:07:01.200 --> 00:07:02.834 I'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN TO ME AS WELL. 00:07:02.934 --> 00:07:04.400 ALAN: AND OFTEN WHEN YOU'RE HEARING REVELATION, TOO, 00:07:04.500 --> 00:07:07.133 WHEN SOMEONE ELSE IS THROWING OUT REVELATION, 00:07:07.233 --> 00:07:08.366 IT'S LIKE IT OPENS UP SOMETHING, 00:07:08.466 --> 00:07:10.533 AND YOU JUST START GETTING MORE AND MORE AND MORE. 00:07:10.633 --> 00:07:11.633 AND SO JUST IN THAT MOMENT, 00:07:11.733 --> 00:07:14.400 THERE'S THIS DOWNLOAD OF THE REALITY OF SATAN, 00:07:14.500 --> 00:07:15.467 THE REALITY OF GOD. 00:07:15.567 --> 00:07:16.534 HOW WEAK SATAN IS -- 00:07:16.634 --> 00:07:17.633 HOW THIS VOICE, 00:07:17.733 --> 00:07:20.200 I THOUGHT I WAS GUIDING MY OWN LIFE BY MY OWN 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:21.634 THOUGHTS AND MY OWN SMARTS. 00:07:21.734 --> 00:07:23.900 AND I THOUGHT I WAS SUPER SMART AND THAT I WAS 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.134 SMARTER THAN ALL THESE CHRISTIANS AND I REALIZED 00:07:26.234 --> 00:07:28.000 ACTUALLY THESE WERE DEMONIC THOUGHTS THAT WERE 00:07:28.100 --> 00:07:30.100 INTRODUCED INTO MY LIFE. 00:07:30.200 --> 00:07:30.867 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO PRAY. 00:07:30.967 --> 00:07:31.900 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:33.800 SO I SAID IN MY HEART, SATAN, 00:07:33.900 --> 00:07:35.600 YOU CAN'T HAVE ME ANYMORE, 00:07:35.700 --> 00:07:37.700 REALIZING HE HAD BEEN CONTROLLING MY LIFE. 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:38.767 AND JESUS, 00:07:38.867 --> 00:07:40.433 I'M ALL YOURS. 00:07:40.533 --> 00:07:41.967 THAT'S ALL I KNEW HOW TO PRAY. 00:07:42.067 --> 00:07:43.100 AND INSTANTLY, THIS WEIGHT 00:07:43.200 --> 00:07:45.066 STARTED TO LIFT AND I FELT COMPELLED. 00:07:45.166 --> 00:07:47.800 I WAS A VERY PRIVATE PERSON. 00:07:47.900 --> 00:07:49.833 I FELT COMPELLED TO TELL EVERYBODY THERE 00:07:49.933 --> 00:07:50.966 WHAT HAD JUST HAPPENED. 00:07:51.066 --> 00:07:53.033 I DIDN'T KNOW THE BIBLE SAYS WHAT THE HEART MAN 00:07:53.133 --> 00:07:54.867 BELIEVES, BUT WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION 00:07:54.967 --> 00:07:55.733 IS MADE TO SALVATION. 00:07:55.833 --> 00:07:56.300 AND BY THIS TIME, 00:07:56.400 --> 00:07:57.200 I'M WEEPING. 00:07:57.300 --> 00:07:59.300 I'M BY MYSELF IN A CORNER IN A PARTY 00:07:59.400 --> 00:08:00.800 WITH AN UGLY CRY. 00:08:00.900 --> 00:08:01.700 I MEAN, UGLY. 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:02.267 YOU EVER HAD ONE OF THOSE LIKE -- 00:08:02.367 --> 00:08:03.433 REBECCA: YES. 00:08:03.533 --> 00:08:05.633 ALAN: SNOT-DRIPPING, BUSTING THE CAPILLARIES IN YOUR, 00:08:05.733 --> 00:08:08.333 YOU KNOW, JUST AN UGLY CRY AND I STOPPED -- 00:08:08.433 --> 00:08:10.400 CAN YOU IMAGINE THE RECORD LIKE SCREECHING AND EVERYBODY 00:08:10.500 --> 00:08:13.333 STOPPING, STOPS PLAYING AND THEY LOOK AT THIS CRAZY 00:08:13.433 --> 00:08:14.267 GUY IN THE CORNER. 00:08:14.367 --> 00:08:14.933 AND I JUST TELL THEM 00:08:15.033 --> 00:08:16.300 WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU? 00:08:16.400 --> 00:08:17.333 REBECCA: HOW DID THEY RESPOND? 00:08:17.433 --> 00:08:19.400 ALAN: THEY WERE -- THERE WAS IMMEDIATELY PEOPLE 00:08:19.500 --> 00:08:20.900 REDEDICATING THEIR LIVES TO THE LORD. 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:22.233 REBECCA: OH, REALLY, THAT'S GOOD. 00:08:22.333 --> 00:08:24.833 ALAN: BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THEY KNEW ME BEFORE AND TO SEE THAT 00:08:24.933 --> 00:08:29.266 REACTION CAUSED A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN THEIR LIVES. 00:08:29.366 --> 00:08:31.934 AND THE MOMENT I SAID WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME, 00:08:32.034 --> 00:08:34.200 WEIGHTS I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS CARRYING 00:08:34.300 --> 00:08:35.134 WERE LIFTED OFF OF ME. 00:08:35.234 --> 00:08:35.967 AND I WAS TRULY, 00:08:36.067 --> 00:08:39.000 IN THAT MOMENT, BORN AGAIN. 00:08:39.100 --> 00:08:42.233 RADICALLY TRANSFORMED FROM BEING AN ATHEIST, TRYING TO 00:08:42.333 --> 00:08:44.867 DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD ON FRIDAY, 00:08:44.967 --> 00:08:47.100 YOU KNOW, AT SCHOOL TO ON MONDAY WALKING IN WITH 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.533 A BIBLE UNDER MY ARM AND BEING AN EVANGELIST THERE 00:08:49.633 --> 00:08:50.467 IN MY HIGH SCHOOL. 00:08:50.567 --> 00:08:52.633 SO IT WAS, IT WAS A RADICAL CHANGE. 00:08:52.733 --> 00:08:53.734 AND SO THAT'S HOW I GOT SAVED. 00:08:53.834 --> 00:08:54.867 SO THAT'S WHY WE CALL OUR MINISTRY 00:08:54.967 --> 00:08:57.400 ENCOUNTER MINISTRIES, ENCOUNTER CHRIST, 00:08:57.500 --> 00:08:59.200 THE ENCOUNTER CHARLOTTE OR ENCOUNTER TODAY 00:08:59.300 --> 00:09:01.767 BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE NOT TO ENCOUNTER A PREACHER 00:09:01.867 --> 00:09:04.767 OR A DENOMINATION, BUT JUST JESUS. 00:09:04.867 --> 00:09:06.100 LET'S JUST ENCOUNTER JESUS BECAUSE 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:07.633 THAT'LL MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE. 00:09:07.733 --> 00:09:08.800 REBECCA: ISN'T IT INTERESTING, TOO, 00:09:08.900 --> 00:09:11.900 HOW LIKE YOU'RE WIRED A CERTAIN WAY LIKE THE GIFTS 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:12.866 OF GOD ARE IN YOU. 00:09:12.966 --> 00:09:14.333 SO BEFORE YOU WERE LIVING FOR THE LORD, 00:09:14.433 --> 00:09:16.367 YOU WERE TRYING TO DISPROVE GOD. 00:09:16.467 --> 00:09:17.467 BUT ONCE YOU GOT SAVED, 00:09:17.567 --> 00:09:19.233 IT'S BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR CALLING. 00:09:19.333 --> 00:09:20.167 ALAN: YEAH. 00:09:20.267 --> 00:09:21.167 REBECCA: TO SHARE JESUS WITH PEOPLE. 00:09:21.267 --> 00:09:22.100 ALAN: YEAH, SO DON'T GET DISCOURAGED WHEN 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:23.734 SOMEBODY'S LIKE TOTALLY AGAINST GOD, 00:09:23.834 --> 00:09:25.433 THEY'RE SO RADICAL ABOUT IT. 00:09:25.533 --> 00:09:26.433 YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE 00:09:26.533 --> 00:09:27.534 ON FIRE FOR THE LORD. 00:09:27.634 --> 00:09:28.433 YOU JUST KEEP ON PRAYING FOR THEM. 00:09:28.533 --> 00:09:29.634 REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD. 00:09:29.734 --> 00:09:32.034 SO WHERE DID THINGS GO FROM THERE? 00:09:32.134 --> 00:09:34.200 ALAN: WELL, THIS KIND OF LEADS INTO WHAT WE TALK 00:09:34.300 --> 00:09:35.100 ABOUT WITH THE BOOK. 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:36.134 A WEEK LATER, 00:09:36.234 --> 00:09:37.833 I'VE JUST BEEN RADICALLY SAVED. 00:09:37.933 --> 00:09:39.634 I'M READING THE BIBLE INSATIABLY LIKE... 00:09:39.734 --> 00:09:41.267 REBECCA: HOW DID YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO? 00:09:41.367 --> 00:09:43.100 SO GOD JUST LIKE A HUNGER ON THE INSIDE OF YOU. 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:43.933 ALAN: YES. 00:09:44.033 --> 00:09:45.167 LIKE THIS IS THE WORD OF GOD. 00:09:45.267 --> 00:09:46.266 THIS IS GOD'S WORD. 00:09:46.366 --> 00:09:49.033 ALL OF A SUDDEN, GOD WROTE ME A LETTER. 00:09:49.133 --> 00:09:50.967 WHY WOULD I WASTE TIME DOING ANYTHING ELSE 00:09:51.067 --> 00:09:52.900 OTHER THAN READING THIS? 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.166 REBECCA: DO YOU THINK YOU GOT FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT? 00:09:55.266 --> 00:09:57.400 ALAN: YEAH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS -- PARTIALLY, 00:09:57.500 --> 00:10:00.100 IT WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER THAT I FULLY LIKE THE GIFT 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:01.967 OF PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT AND ALL THAT STUFF STARTED 00:10:02.067 --> 00:10:02.634 TO FLOW THROUGH. 00:10:02.734 --> 00:10:03.300 REBECCA: SO THAT'S QUICK. 00:10:03.400 --> 00:10:04.367 ALAN: YEAH, VERY QUICK. 00:10:04.467 --> 00:10:05.700 JUST VERY FAST. 00:10:05.800 --> 00:10:07.400 GOD'S DOING A QUICK WORK RIGHT NOW. 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:08.533 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:10:08.633 --> 00:10:10.234 ALAN: AND IT WAS A WEEK INTO THAT OF JUST READING 00:10:10.334 --> 00:10:12.533 THE BIBLE LIKE FIVE, SIX HOURS A DAY. 00:10:12.633 --> 00:10:13.567 AND I HAD A DREAM. 00:10:13.667 --> 00:10:16.400 AND I'M NOT ONE WHOSE, WHO FOLLOWS DREAMS. 00:10:16.500 --> 00:10:18.367 YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT -- 00:10:18.467 --> 00:10:19.833 PROPHETIC WORDS, DREAMS, VISIONS, 00:10:19.933 --> 00:10:21.400 FOR ME, THEY HAVE NO VALUE 00:10:21.500 --> 00:10:23.067 EXCEPT IN THAT THEY BRING US BACK 00:10:23.167 --> 00:10:24.100 TO THE WORD, RIGHT? 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:25.167 REBECCA: THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD WORD. 00:10:25.267 --> 00:10:26.100 ALAN: AND THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO STAY SAFE WITH 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:27.433 DREAMS AND VISIONS, 00:10:27.533 --> 00:10:28.700 AND HOW DOES IT BRING US BACK TO THE WORD. 00:10:28.800 --> 00:10:30.733 AND SO I WAS ABOUT A WEEK SAVED, 00:10:30.833 --> 00:10:32.367 I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY TEACHING ABOUT THE END TIMES. 00:10:32.467 --> 00:10:33.234 I DON'T -- I'VE NEVER HEARD. 00:10:33.334 --> 00:10:35.200 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OF THE MOVIES, 00:10:35.300 --> 00:10:37.033 YOU KNOW, A THIEF IN THE NIGHT 00:10:37.133 --> 00:10:38.100 OR ALL THE THINGS 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:39.300 I'VE SEEN SINCE THEN, LEFT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, 00:10:39.400 --> 00:10:40.366 I HADN'T SEEN ANY OF THOSE. 00:10:40.466 --> 00:10:42.534 I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR I'M 00:10:42.634 --> 00:10:43.800 JUST SAVED AND I LOVE JESUS. 00:10:43.900 --> 00:10:45.000 I'M READING THE WORD. 00:10:45.100 --> 00:10:46.400 AND I'M IN THIS DREAM, 00:10:46.500 --> 00:10:49.234 I'M IN AN OPEN FIELD OUTSIDE MY CHILDHOOD HOME. 00:10:49.334 --> 00:10:51.133 AND IT'S LIKE A 4TH OF JULY PARTY, 00:10:51.233 --> 00:10:52.933 THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OUT. 00:10:53.033 --> 00:10:55.700 THERE'S A COOKOUT, EVERYBODY'S HAVING A GOOD TIME. 00:10:55.800 --> 00:10:59.933 AND I HEAR A SOUND IN THE HEAVENS AND I TURN TO LOOK. 00:11:00.033 --> 00:11:02.333 AND BEHIND THE CLOUDS, 00:11:02.433 --> 00:11:04.966 THERE'S A CLOCK WITH ROMAN NUMERALS, 00:11:05.066 --> 00:11:07.600 AND IT SAYS 11:59. 00:11:07.700 --> 00:11:09.267 AND THE SECOND HAND IS SPEEDING QUICKLY. 00:11:09.367 --> 00:11:10.400 IT'S ALMOST MIDNIGHT. 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:11.700 AND AS IT REACHES MIDNIGHT, 00:11:11.800 --> 00:11:15.100 GRAVITY LOSES ITS HOLD AND I START TO RISE OFF THE GROUND. 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:16.866 AND THIS EXCITEMENT STARTED TO BUILD. 00:11:16.966 --> 00:11:18.767 I DIDN'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW I KNEW THIS, 00:11:18.867 --> 00:11:20.634 I JUST KNEW I'M GOING TO SEE JESUS. 00:11:20.734 --> 00:11:21.700 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:11:21.800 --> 00:11:23.733 ALAN: I'M ABOUT TO SEE THE ONE WHO SAVED ME. 00:11:23.833 --> 00:11:25.800 THE ONE WHO JUST RESCUED ME, 00:11:25.900 --> 00:11:27.833 I'M GOING TO SEE HIM HERE IN A MOMENT. 00:11:27.933 --> 00:11:30.300 AND THE EXCITEMENT OF THAT WAS ECLIPSED QUICKLY WHEN I 00:11:30.400 --> 00:11:32.900 LOOKED DOWN AND I SAW ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE DOWN 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:34.100 IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:35.533 WHO WERE COMPLETELY UNFAZED. 00:11:35.633 --> 00:11:36.766 HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON 00:11:36.866 --> 00:11:38.833 AND THEY WERE BEING LEFT BEHIND. 00:11:38.933 --> 00:11:40.200 I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TERMINOLOGY. 00:11:40.300 --> 00:11:41.266 I HADN'T SEEN A MOVIE, 00:11:41.366 --> 00:11:43.634 BUT THEY WERE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND I WOKE UP OUT 00:11:43.734 --> 00:11:45.767 OF THAT DREAM WITH THESE WORDS ON MY LIPS, 00:11:45.867 --> 00:11:47.400 JESUS IS COMING. 00:11:47.500 --> 00:11:48.634 AND THAT DEVELOPED A PASSION THAT 00:11:48.734 --> 00:11:49.967 TOOK ME TO THE WORD. 00:11:50.067 --> 00:11:50.467 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN 00:11:50.567 --> 00:11:51.433 JESUS IS COMING? 00:11:51.533 --> 00:11:52.600 HASN'T EVERY GENERATION THOUGHT 00:11:52.700 --> 00:11:54.034 THAT THEY'RE THE GENERATION? 00:11:54.134 --> 00:11:55.034 AND I STARTED TO STUDY IT. 00:11:55.134 --> 00:11:56.200 SO FOR 25 YEARS, 00:11:56.300 --> 00:11:58.134 I'VE BEEN STUDYING IT AND I JUST GOT FED UP 00:11:58.234 --> 00:11:59.200 WITH THE DEBATE 00:11:59.300 --> 00:12:01.734 AND THE ARGUMENT AND THE DIVISION AND THE SCHISM. 00:12:01.834 --> 00:12:02.734 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:12:02.834 --> 00:12:04.366 ALAN: AND I THOUGHT I'D WRITE THIS BOOK. 00:12:04.466 --> 00:12:05.600 REBECCA: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT. 00:12:05.700 --> 00:12:08.600 WHAT, GOING BACK TO THE DREAM BECAUSE THAT'S SO 00:12:08.700 --> 00:12:11.167 SIGNIFICANT AND PROFOUND NOT ONLY TO YOUR LIFE, 00:12:11.267 --> 00:12:15.100 BUT THE REALITY OF JESUS' RETURN, RIGHT? 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.900 WHAT SOUND DID YOU HEAR? 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:18.634 ALAN: YOU KNOW, IT WAS -- 00:12:18.734 --> 00:12:19.833 I DON'T WANT TO SAY. 00:12:19.933 --> 00:12:20.767 IT WAS LIKE A TRUMPET BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS RELIGIOUS. 00:12:20.867 --> 00:12:22.566 AND I DON'T THINK THAT I CAN RECALL 00:12:22.666 --> 00:12:23.633 WHAT THE SOUND -- 00:12:23.733 --> 00:12:24.667 IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT GOT MY ATTENTION. 00:12:24.767 --> 00:12:25.500 REBECCA: YEAH, LIKE IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE. 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:26.466 ALAN: SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING. 00:12:26.566 --> 00:12:27.934 LIKE A RUSTLING IN THE MULBERRY BUSHES, 00:12:28.034 --> 00:12:29.534 YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WAS GOING ON. 00:12:29.634 --> 00:12:30.966 IT WAS LIKE WHAT IS THAT? 00:12:31.066 --> 00:12:31.967 AND THEN I LOOKED. 00:12:32.067 --> 00:12:33.733 AND THEN THERE IT WAS, THERE WAS A CLOCK. 00:12:33.833 --> 00:12:36.600 AND I BELIEVE IT IS ALMOST MIDNIGHT PROPHETICALLY. 00:12:36.700 --> 00:12:37.733 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:12:37.833 --> 00:12:38.833 ALAN: AND THAT THE CHURCH HAS TO BECOME AWARE LIKE, 00:12:38.933 --> 00:12:40.100 THE SONS OF ISSACHAR, 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:41.866 WHO DISCERN THE TIMES AND THE SEASONS. 00:12:41.966 --> 00:12:43.933 AND THEREFORE THEY KNEW WHAT TO DO. 00:12:44.033 --> 00:12:45.634 THAT'S WHAT THE BODY OF CHRIST NEEDS RIGHT NOW. 00:12:45.734 --> 00:12:46.900 ALAN: I LOVE THAT PASSAGE TALKING ABOUT 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:47.967 THE SONS OF ISSACHAR. 00:12:48.067 --> 00:12:51.233 I DO BELIEVE THAT IS APPLICABLE TO US, 00:12:51.333 --> 00:12:52.566 AND WE NEED TO BE LIKE THAT. 00:12:52.666 --> 00:12:54.100 AND THE OTHER THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME ABOUT 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.533 THE DREAM WAS HOW, UM, AS YOU WERE GOING UP, 00:12:58.633 --> 00:13:01.667 THE PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE WHAT WAS GOING ON. 00:13:01.767 --> 00:13:02.733 ALAN: NO. 00:13:02.833 --> 00:13:04.766 THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT I MENTIONED IN THE 00:13:04.866 --> 00:13:08.367 BOOK WHO WAS REACHING UP AND TRYING TO GRAB A HOLD 00:13:08.467 --> 00:13:09.566 OF SOMEONE'S HEELS. 00:13:09.666 --> 00:13:10.467 REBECCA: OH, WOW. 00:13:10.567 --> 00:13:12.034 ALAN: AND THEY -- IT WAS TOO LATE. 00:13:12.134 --> 00:13:13.167 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:13:13.267 --> 00:13:14.200 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE BELIEVERS THAT 00:13:14.300 --> 00:13:16.067 WHEN THE RAPTURE TAKES PLACE THAT -- 00:13:16.167 --> 00:13:16.800 OR THEY -- 00:13:16.900 --> 00:13:17.933 ALAN: THEY'RE GONNA REALIZE. 00:13:18.033 --> 00:13:19.133 REBECCA: YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY SAVED, 00:13:19.233 --> 00:13:20.333 BUT THEY'VE HEARD THE MESSAGE 00:13:20.433 --> 00:13:21.400 AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO THINK, OH, NO. 00:13:21.500 --> 00:13:22.033 ALAN: YES. 00:13:22.133 --> 00:13:23.434 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 00:13:23.534 --> 00:13:24.567 REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS. 00:13:24.667 --> 00:13:25.966 ALAN: WE NEED SOME PEOPLE HERE EVANGELIZING WHILE 00:13:26.066 --> 00:13:27.166 THE TRIBULATION IS GOING ON. 00:13:27.266 --> 00:13:29.800 SO THAT'LL BE THEIR LOT DURING THIS TIME, YEAH. 00:13:29.900 --> 00:13:31.334 REBECCA: BUT THERE ARE STILL A CHANCE FOR THEM, 00:13:31.434 --> 00:13:32.467 BUT IT WILL BE HARD. 00:13:32.567 --> 00:13:33.433 ALAN: IT WILL BE HARD. 00:13:33.533 --> 00:13:34.567 AND YOU WILL PAY FOR IT WITH YOUR LIFE. 00:13:34.667 --> 00:13:35.900 REBECCA: YEAH, 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.867 BECAUSE THERE'S -- NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO BELIEVE IN THE LORD. 00:13:38.967 --> 00:13:39.867 ALAN: NO. 00:13:39.967 --> 00:13:40.800 REBECCA: I MEAN, THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT -- 00:13:40.900 --> 00:13:41.300 ALAN: YES 00:13:41.400 --> 00:13:42.200 REBECCA: THAT. 00:13:42.300 --> 00:13:44.033 OKAY, SO LET'S GET INTO THEY LIED TO 00:13:44.133 --> 00:13:45.667 YOU ABOUT THE RAPTURE. 00:13:45.767 --> 00:13:47.467 I LOVE THAT YOU WROTE THIS BOOK, 00:13:47.567 --> 00:13:51.033 UM, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THE ONLINE DEBATE. 00:13:51.133 --> 00:13:53.300 I HAVE SEEN THE DIVISION 00:13:53.400 --> 00:13:54.700 THAT'S CAUSED IN THE BODY OF CHRIST, 00:13:54.800 --> 00:13:57.034 WHICH IS JUST SO, YOU KNOW, HURTS THE HEART -- 00:13:57.134 --> 00:13:57.900 HEART OF GOD. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.100 HE'S OUR FATHER. 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:00.866 HE DOESN'T WANT HIS CHILDREN FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER. 00:14:00.966 --> 00:14:02.334 AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY THINK WE HAVE TO 00:14:02.434 --> 00:14:04.534 APPROACH THIS STUFF GROUNDED IN HIS WORD 00:14:04.634 --> 00:14:06.833 AND IN HUMILITY AND UNDERSTANDING. 00:14:06.933 --> 00:14:08.733 IT'S NOT THIS AIR OF, 00:14:08.833 --> 00:14:09.866 OH, I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG. 00:14:09.966 --> 00:14:10.833 THAT'S NOT THE WAY 00:14:10.933 --> 00:14:11.800 GOD WANTS US TO APPROACH OUR BROTHERS 00:14:11.900 --> 00:14:12.933 AND SISTERS IN CHRIST. 00:14:13.033 --> 00:14:14.166 SO I LOVE THAT YOU WROTE THIS BOOK, 00:14:14.266 --> 00:14:16.534 BECAUSE THERE IS INFORMATION CIRCULATING OUT THERE. 00:14:16.634 --> 00:14:18.734 I HAVE HEARD THIS INFORMATION AND THEN IT 00:14:18.834 --> 00:14:20.800 STARTS TO MAKE YOU SECOND GUESS AS A BELIEVER. 00:14:20.900 --> 00:14:21.867 BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, 00:14:21.967 --> 00:14:24.100 OH, THIS LADY THAT WAS DEMONIC THIS, 00:14:24.166 --> 00:14:26.200 YOU KNOW, THE RAPTURE HASN'T ALWAYS EXISTED. 00:14:26.300 --> 00:14:28.433 IT'S THIS NEW THING AND IT WAS THIS DEMONIC LIKE 00:14:28.533 --> 00:14:30.300 ALMOST MAKES IT SOUND LIKE SHE'S A PSYCHIC. 00:14:30.400 --> 00:14:32.034 SO SHE'S OPERATING WITCHCRAFT AND LIKE THIS 00:14:32.134 --> 00:14:32.833 IS WHAT INFLUENCED. 00:14:32.933 --> 00:14:34.300 AND THEN YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY, 00:14:34.400 --> 00:14:35.333 YOU'RE LIKE REACTION IS, 00:14:35.433 --> 00:14:37.300 OH, WELL, THEN THIS IS DEMONIC AND I CAN'T 00:14:37.400 --> 00:14:38.534 BELIEVE I BELIEVED IN THIS. 00:14:38.634 --> 00:14:40.700 AND IT JUST IMMEDIATELY SHUTS PEOPLE DOWN. 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:41.800 ALAN: YEAH. 00:14:41.900 --> 00:14:43.633 REBECCA: SO YOU LIKE HELP DEBUNK ALL THE THINGS. 00:14:43.733 --> 00:14:45.700 SO START DEBUNKING THE THINGS. 00:14:45.800 --> 00:14:47.567 ALAN: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS OF THE BOOK 00:14:47.667 --> 00:14:49.200 IS TO REMOVE THAT DIVISION. 00:14:49.300 --> 00:14:50.000 YOU KNOW, ONE THING 00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:51.767 WE ALL AGREE IN AS BELIEVERS 00:14:51.867 --> 00:14:53.466 IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RAPTURED. 00:14:53.566 --> 00:14:54.967 WE MAY DISAGREE ON THE TIMING, 00:14:55.067 --> 00:14:56.733 BUT WE DO AGREE THAT THERE'S COMING A TIME WHEN 00:14:56.833 --> 00:14:59.434 THIS BODY IS GOING TO BE TRANSFORMED AND WE'RE 00:14:59.534 --> 00:15:00.900 GOING TO RECEIVE A GLORIFIED BODY. 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:01.866 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:15:01.966 --> 00:15:03.000 ALAN: AND THAT'S GOING TO BE EXCITING. 00:15:03.100 --> 00:15:05.600 SO WE SHOULD UNIFY AROUND THAT AND THE BIBLE SAYS 00:15:05.700 --> 00:15:08.367 THAT THERE'S A CROWN FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIS APPEARING. 00:15:08.467 --> 00:15:10.067 AND WHAT I WANT IS I WANT THIS GENERATION 00:15:10.167 --> 00:15:11.900 TO FALL IN LOVE. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.266 NOT BE SCARED OF IT, 00:15:13.366 --> 00:15:15.534 YOU KNOW, NOT BE INTIMIDATED OR MANIPULATED BY IT. 00:15:15.634 --> 00:15:17.434 THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A BAD TASTE IN 00:15:17.534 --> 00:15:18.834 THEIR MOUTH ON THIS SUBJECT. 00:15:18.934 --> 00:15:20.367 I DON'T WANT TO BE MANIPULATED OR, 00:15:20.467 --> 00:15:23.134 OR TO BE SENSATIONALIZED. 00:15:23.234 --> 00:15:24.967 I JUST WANT THEM TO FALL IN LOVE WITH HIS APPEARING. 00:15:25.067 --> 00:15:27.033 REBECCA: YOU CAN'T ALLOW NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES IN 00:15:27.133 --> 00:15:31.367 THE PAST LIKE KEEP YOU AWAY FROM HOW BEAUTIFUL 00:15:31.467 --> 00:15:33.200 LONGING FOR HIS APPEARING IS. 00:15:33.300 --> 00:15:34.433 ALAN: YES. 00:15:34.533 --> 00:15:35.600 REBECCA: AND SO YOU CAN'T LET THAT, I THINK THAT'S JUST 00:15:35.700 --> 00:15:38.166 SUCH A, THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT AND SO IF YOU HAVE 00:15:38.266 --> 00:15:39.100 BEEN IN THE PAST, 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:40.633 PEOPLE HAVE USED FEAR MONGERING, 00:15:40.733 --> 00:15:42.300 FEAR MONGERING OR SENSATIONALISM, 00:15:42.400 --> 00:15:44.500 DON'T LET THAT STOP YOU NOW AND YOU HELP UNPACK THAT. 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:45.266 ALAN: YES. 00:15:45.366 --> 00:15:46.233 REBECCA: SO KEEP GOING, SORRY. 00:15:46.333 --> 00:15:46.900 ALAN: THAT DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE LEGITIMACY 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:47.833 OF THE ARGUMENT. 00:15:47.933 --> 00:15:48.834 IT JUST SAYS THAT THEY DID A BAD JOB 00:15:48.934 --> 00:15:50.100 PRESENTING THE ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW. 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:51.266 REBECCA: EXACTLY. 00:15:51.366 --> 00:15:52.234 ALAN: AND WHAT'S HAPPEN WITH THE RAPTURE BECAUSE IT'S 00:15:52.334 --> 00:15:53.500 SUCH AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT, 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:54.367 I THINK IT'S KEY. 00:15:54.467 --> 00:15:55.533 WE MAY TALK ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE. 00:15:55.633 --> 00:15:58.100 THAT'S A PART OF OUR ARMOR IN THE LAST DAYS THAT THE 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:00.300 ENEMY IS TRYING TO DILUTE IT. 00:16:00.400 --> 00:16:01.333 SEVERAL YEARS AGO, 00:16:01.433 --> 00:16:02.566 GOD SPOKE TO ME AND SAID PAY ATTENTION TO THE 00:16:02.666 --> 00:16:06.100 DOCTRINES THAT ARE BEING CRITICIZED OR THAT ARE 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.533 BEING MANIPULATED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I'M MOVING AND 00:16:08.633 --> 00:16:11.600 THE ENEMY IS TRYING TO MUDDY THOSE WATERS WHERE 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:13.567 MOST CHRISTIANS STAY AWAY FROM, 00:16:13.667 --> 00:16:15.066 IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S HAPPENING, 00:16:15.166 --> 00:16:16.266 OKAY, WELL, I'M OUT, YOU KNOW. 00:16:16.366 --> 00:16:17.367 I'M GOING TO BE PAYING TRIB, 00:16:17.467 --> 00:16:19.333 YOU KNOW, AND NOT PRE, NOT MID, NOT POST, PAN. 00:16:19.433 --> 00:16:21.067 HOWEVER IT PANS OUT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 00:16:21.167 --> 00:16:22.600 BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THEIR ARGUMENT. 00:16:22.700 --> 00:16:25.234 WHAT IF IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THE ENEMY 00:16:25.334 --> 00:16:28.800 IS TRYING TO MUDDY THE WATERS WITH A LOT OF LIKE 00:16:28.900 --> 00:16:31.134 WHAT WE SAW IN THE TRUMP ERA, THE DECEPTION, 00:16:31.234 --> 00:16:32.500 THE LIES OF THE MEDIA, RIGHT? 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.733 WE'VE SEEN THAT, THE VERY FINE PEOPLE HOAX 00:16:34.833 --> 00:16:37.333 WHERE PEOPLE BELIEVE THE MOST HORRIFIC THINGS THAT HAVE 00:16:37.433 --> 00:16:40.567 BEEN REPORTED ABOUT HIM AND CONSERVATIVES WHO HAVE 00:16:40.667 --> 00:16:42.433 ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO IT KNOW THAT IT'S NOT TRUE. 00:16:42.533 --> 00:16:44.333 THE SAME THING HAS BEEN HAPPENING 00:16:44.433 --> 00:16:45.300 WITH THE RAPTURE. 00:16:45.400 --> 00:16:46.800 THERE'S BEEN SO MANY LIES AND MYTHS AND 00:16:46.900 --> 00:16:49.500 MISCONCEPTIONS AND THE DARBY LIE AND THE MARGARET 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.000 MCDONALD LIE IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY SAY SOME 00:16:52.100 --> 00:16:55.467 WOMAN HAD A DEMONICALY-INSPIRED VISION CALLED 00:16:55.567 --> 00:16:57.567 MARGARET MCDONALD ABOUT -- 00:16:57.667 --> 00:16:58.667 ACTUALLY YESTERDAY, 00:16:58.767 --> 00:16:59.767 I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY. 00:16:59.867 --> 00:17:00.967 I HAD A MINISTER WAS -- 00:17:01.067 --> 00:17:03.333 SHE SAID, YOU DO KNOW THAT THE RAPTURE ORIGINATED 00:17:03.433 --> 00:17:04.700 WITH A DEMONIC VISION. 00:17:04.800 --> 00:17:05.533 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:17:05.633 --> 00:17:06.267 ALAN: I SAID HAVE YOU EVER READ 00:17:06.367 --> 00:17:07.034 MARGARET MCDONALD'S VISION? 00:17:07.134 --> 00:17:08.067 SHE SAID, NO, 00:17:08.167 --> 00:17:09.634 I SAID YOU SHOULD READ IT BECAUSE ACTUALLY 00:17:09.734 --> 00:17:10.334 IF YOU READ IT, 00:17:10.434 --> 00:17:11.366 SHE'S NOT PRE-TRIB. 00:17:11.466 --> 00:17:14.100 SHE'S ACTUALLY MID OR POST. 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:15.333 REBECCA: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER. 00:17:15.433 --> 00:17:17.434 ALAN: SO JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THIS AND THAT DARBY 00:17:17.534 --> 00:17:20.033 WHO HAD NO ASSOCIATION WITH HER SOMEHOW GOT THAT 00:17:20.133 --> 00:17:21.600 FROM HER AND IT'S NOT TRUE. 00:17:21.700 --> 00:17:22.767 HE GOT IT FROM HIS PASTOR 00:17:22.867 --> 00:17:24.000 WHO GOT IT FROM HIS PASTOR 00:17:24.100 --> 00:17:25.267 WHO GOT IT FROM HIS PASTOR. 00:17:25.367 --> 00:17:26.200 AND DARBY WAS A GREAT 00:17:26.300 --> 00:17:28.867 ADVOCATE FOR THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE. 00:17:28.967 --> 00:17:31.766 BUT HE DIDN'T INVENT IT AND I GIVE PROOFS 00:17:31.866 --> 00:17:34.433 THROUGHOUT HISTORY OF THE RAPTURE BEING TALKED ABOUT 00:17:34.533 --> 00:17:36.034 BY THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS. 00:17:36.134 --> 00:17:37.433 REBECCA: DO YOU KNOW WHO SOME OF THOSE LIKE 00:17:37.533 --> 00:17:38.533 ON THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, 00:17:38.633 --> 00:17:40.500 SOME OF THOSE FATHERS WERE OR WHAT THEY SAID? 00:17:40.600 --> 00:17:41.167 ALAN: OH, YEAH. 00:17:41.267 --> 00:17:41.867 IF YOU WANT ME TO JUST? 00:17:41.967 --> 00:17:42.367 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:17:42.467 --> 00:17:43.833 ALAN: COME ON. 00:17:43.933 --> 00:17:44.967 REBECCA: I WENT TO BIBLE SCHOOL. 00:17:45.067 --> 00:17:47.033 SO ME AND MY HUSBAND WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THE 00:17:47.133 --> 00:17:47.734 CAR THE OTHER DAY. 00:17:47.834 --> 00:17:48.800 HE'S IN THE STUDIO. 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:50.800 WE WERE LIKE TALKING ABOUT THE CHURCH FATHERS, 00:17:50.900 --> 00:17:52.867 AND I WAS EXPLAINING WHO THEY WERE AND STUFF. 00:17:52.967 --> 00:17:54.600 ALAN: WHICH BY THE WAY, WE SHOULDN'T 00:17:54.700 --> 00:17:56.733 DETERMINE ANYTHING BY THE CHURCH FATHERS. 00:17:56.833 --> 00:17:58.500 THEY WERE STILL FIGURING THINGS OUT 00:17:58.600 --> 00:17:59.733 AND THEY HAVE SOME WEIRD -- 00:17:59.833 --> 00:18:00.533 REBECCA: THEY DO. 00:18:00.633 --> 00:18:01.567 ALAN: SOME WEIRD TEACHINGS. 00:18:01.667 --> 00:18:02.533 REBECCA: YES. 00:18:02.633 --> 00:18:03.467 ALAN: SO THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION IS, 00:18:03.567 --> 00:18:04.700 DOES THE BIBLE TEACH IT, RIGHT? 00:18:04.800 --> 00:18:05.900 REBECCA: EXACTLY. 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.400 ALAN: BECAUSE IF YOU THINK OF JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH, 00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:09.433 THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NEW DOCTRINE THAT MARTIN 00:18:09.533 --> 00:18:12.700 LUTHER INVENTED IF IT WASN'T IN THE WORD OF GOD, 00:18:12.800 --> 00:18:13.466 BUT, OF COURSE, 00:18:13.566 --> 00:18:14.466 IT IS IN THE WORD OF GOD. 00:18:14.566 --> 00:18:15.300 REBECCA: EXACTLY. 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:16.300 ALAN: A GAME I'LL PLAY 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.667 WITH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE THAT DARBY 00:18:18.767 --> 00:18:19.867 INVENTED THE RAPTURE IS 00:18:19.967 --> 00:18:21.534 I'LL GIVE THEM A QUOTE AND THEY HAVE TO GUESS WHETHER 00:18:21.634 --> 00:18:23.866 IT WAS BEFORE DARBY OR AFTER DARBY, 00:18:23.966 --> 00:18:25.467 BASED ON THE CONTENT OF THE QUOTE. 00:18:25.567 --> 00:18:27.134 OKAY, SO EVERYBODY WATCHING CAN DO THAT. 00:18:27.234 --> 00:18:28.000 REBECCA: OKAY. 00:18:28.100 --> 00:18:28.766 ALAN: SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS. 00:18:28.866 --> 00:18:29.800 IF DARBY INVENTED THE RAPTURE, 00:18:29.900 --> 00:18:30.766 YOU'LL HAVE TO TELL ME AND DARBY WAS ALIVE 00:18:30.866 --> 00:18:31.866 DURING THE 1800S. 00:18:31.966 --> 00:18:35.134 HERE'S A QUOTE FROM, UM, FROM SOMEONE THAT I THINK 00:18:35.234 --> 00:18:35.966 WILL SPEAK TO THIS. 00:18:36.066 --> 00:18:37.866 FOR ALL THE SAINTS AND THE ELECT 00:18:37.966 --> 00:18:40.700 OF GOD ARE GATHERED PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATION THAT IS 00:18:40.800 --> 00:18:43.033 TO COME AND ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD. 00:18:43.133 --> 00:18:44.967 LEST THEY SEE THE CONFUSION THAT IS TO 00:18:45.067 --> 00:18:48.700 OVERWHELM THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OUR SINS. 00:18:48.800 --> 00:18:51.300 NOW IS THAT BEFORE DARBY OR AFTER DARBY? 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.367 WELL, THAT'S ACTUALLY PSEUDO-EPHRAEM 00:18:53.467 --> 00:18:55.067 FROM THE FOURTH CENTURY. 00:18:55.167 --> 00:18:58.533 MORE THAN A THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE DARBY. 00:18:58.633 --> 00:18:59.167 YOU WANT ANOTHER ONE? 00:18:59.267 --> 00:18:59.633 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:18:59.733 --> 00:19:00.833 ALAN: OKAY. 00:19:00.933 --> 00:19:02.667 AND THEREFORE WHEN IN THE END THE CHURCH SHALL BE 00:19:02.767 --> 00:19:04.366 SUDDENLY CALLED UP FROM THIS, 00:19:04.466 --> 00:19:05.433 IT IS SAID, 00:19:05.533 --> 00:19:06.467 THERE SHALL BE TRIBULATION 00:19:06.567 --> 00:19:08.766 SUCH HAS NOT BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING, 00:19:08.866 --> 00:19:10.466 NEITHER SHALL BE. 00:19:10.566 --> 00:19:14.267 THAT'S IRENAEUS OF LYONS 120 A.D. 00:19:14.367 --> 00:19:15.133 REBECCA: I REMEMBER HIM. 00:19:15.233 --> 00:19:15.667 ALAN: AROUND THE TIME WHEN HE -- 00:19:15.767 --> 00:19:16.800 YEAH, IRENAEUS. 00:19:16.900 --> 00:19:18.167 SO IN FACT, MOST OF THE CHURCH FATHERS, MOST OF 00:19:18.267 --> 00:19:20.466 THEIR WRITINGS HAVE NEVER BEEN INTERPRETED OR, OR 00:19:20.566 --> 00:19:22.934 EXCUSE ME, TRANSLATED UNTIL NOW. 00:19:23.034 --> 00:19:24.433 LEE BRAINARD, BY THE WAY, 00:19:24.533 --> 00:19:27.467 WHO'S A GREAT GREEK SCHOLAR HAS BEGUN 00:19:27.567 --> 00:19:29.267 TRANSLATING A LOT OF THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS 00:19:29.367 --> 00:19:32.034 AND HE'S FINDING MOUNTAINS OF TEACHING ON 00:19:32.134 --> 00:19:33.300 THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:34.667 REBECCA: SEE, THIS IS WHY, THERE'S TWO THINGS 00:19:34.767 --> 00:19:36.000 I WANT TO SAY TO THAT. 00:19:36.100 --> 00:19:39.167 ONE, I THINK IT'S SO GOOD THAT WE'RE -- I WANTED YOU TO READ 00:19:39.267 --> 00:19:41.134 THESE QUOTES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. 00:19:41.234 --> 00:19:43.033 THE ENEMY IS MUDDYING THE WATERS OF THINGS THAT ARE 00:19:43.133 --> 00:19:44.967 IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY SUCH AN IMPORTANT 00:19:45.067 --> 00:19:46.666 TOPIC FOR THE CHURCH. 00:19:46.766 --> 00:19:48.700 UM, AND SO I LOVE THAT YOU'RE BRINGING LIGHT 00:19:48.800 --> 00:19:50.667 AND CLARITY TO IT BECAUSE THAT CLEARLY SHOWS 00:19:50.767 --> 00:19:51.967 THIS IS NOT A NEW CONCEPT. 00:19:52.067 --> 00:19:53.033 BUT THAT'S WHAT'S BEING 00:19:53.133 --> 00:19:54.367 PREACHED ONLINE AND THEN PEOPLE HEAR SOMETHING 00:19:54.467 --> 00:19:55.433 ONLINE AND THEY JUST BELIEVE IT. 00:19:55.533 --> 00:19:56.367 ALAN: YES. 00:19:56.467 --> 00:19:57.133 REBECCA: THE THING THAT'S INTERESTING 00:19:57.233 --> 00:19:58.833 TO ME AS WELL IS HOW LIKE YOU 00:19:58.933 --> 00:20:00.634 SAID LIKE A LOT OF THAT STUFF HASN'T COME TO LIGHT 00:20:00.734 --> 00:20:02.667 UNTIL NOW LIKE THE TRANSLATIONS OF THE FATHERS. 00:20:02.767 --> 00:20:04.233 IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT 00:20:04.333 --> 00:20:05.333 HAVE COME TO LIGHT 00:20:05.433 --> 00:20:06.567 RECENTLY THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND 00:20:06.667 --> 00:20:08.766 FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS LIKE THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS 00:20:08.866 --> 00:20:10.500 AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST KIND OF AFFIRMING 00:20:10.600 --> 00:20:13.466 AND CONFIRMING THINGS THAT ARE TRUE. 00:20:13.566 --> 00:20:14.133 UM... 00:20:14.233 --> 00:20:14.634 ALAN: ISN'T THAT CRAZY? 00:20:14.734 --> 00:20:15.767 REBECCA: I KNOW. 00:20:15.867 --> 00:20:17.033 ALAN: WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST IN THE END TIMES. 00:20:17.133 --> 00:20:17.867 IT'S CRAZY. 00:20:17.967 --> 00:20:18.800 REBECCA: AND DON'T YOU FEEL LIKE 00:20:18.900 --> 00:20:20.233 IT'S COMING TO LIGHT NOW FOR A REASON? 00:20:20.333 --> 00:20:21.000 ALAN: YES. 00:20:21.100 --> 00:20:22.100 REBECCA: TO KIND OF AWAKEN US. 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:23.800 ALAN: FOR THE AWAKEN AND EQUIP THE BODY OF CHRIST. 00:20:23.900 --> 00:20:26.233 SO THAT WE CAN PUT ON OUR ARMOR WHICH BY THE WAY THE 00:20:26.333 --> 00:20:28.134 RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH IS IN THE ARMOR OF GOD. 00:20:28.234 --> 00:20:29.367 REBECCA: CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? 00:20:29.467 --> 00:20:30.633 ALAN: THIS IS SO COOL. 00:20:30.733 --> 00:20:33.033 I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE COOLEST REVELATIONS IN THE BOOK. 00:20:33.133 --> 00:20:35.433 BECAUSE I'VE DONE A DEEP STUDY, AS A PASTOR, 00:20:35.533 --> 00:20:37.500 I'VE DONE A SERIES ON THE ARMOR OF GOD. 00:20:37.600 --> 00:20:38.566 AND THERE WAS ALWAYS ONE PIECE OF ARMOR 00:20:38.666 --> 00:20:39.700 THAT CONFUSED ME. 00:20:39.800 --> 00:20:41.566 AND IT WAS THE HELMET OF SALVATION, RIGHT? 00:20:41.666 --> 00:20:44.300 BECAUSE HE'S WRITING TO CHRISTIANS AND HE TELLS 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.634 CHRISTIANS PUT ON THE HELMET OF SALVATION. 00:20:46.734 --> 00:20:48.133 SO DO WE TAKE IT OFF AT NIGHT 00:20:48.233 --> 00:20:49.167 AND LIKE PUT IT ON OUR DRESSER 00:20:49.267 --> 00:20:50.534 AND THEN PUT IT BACK ON IN THE MORNING? 00:20:50.634 --> 00:20:52.033 WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? 00:20:52.133 --> 00:20:53.300 WELL, THAT'S IN EPHESIANS WHERE HE GIVES 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:54.467 THE WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD. 00:20:54.567 --> 00:20:56.600 BUT HE WROTE ABOUT THAT TEN YEARS EARLIER 00:20:56.700 --> 00:21:00.234 IN THE VERY FIRST EPISTLE EVER WRITTEN THESSALONIANS. 00:21:00.334 --> 00:21:01.267 1 THESSALONIANS 00:21:01.367 --> 00:21:02.900 IS THE FIRST EPISTLE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.367 SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE. 00:21:04.467 --> 00:21:05.966 AND THE APOSTLE PAUL, 00:21:06.066 --> 00:21:09.000 WHEN HE WAS MINISTERING TO THE THESSALONIANS, 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:10.133 WHEN HE WAS IN CORINTH, 00:21:10.233 --> 00:21:12.134 I THINK HE HAD THREE YEARS TO BUILD THAT CHURCH. 00:21:12.234 --> 00:21:13.166 WHEN HE WAS EPHESUS, 00:21:13.266 --> 00:21:15.233 HE HAD LIKE FIVE YEARS TO BUILD THAT CHURCH. 00:21:15.333 --> 00:21:16.233 AT THESSALONIANS, 00:21:16.333 --> 00:21:17.133 HE HAD FOUR WEEKS. 00:21:17.233 --> 00:21:18.167 REBECCA: OH, WOW. 00:21:18.267 --> 00:21:19.667 ALAN: AND SO WHAT DID HE FOCUS ON WHEN HE WAS 00:21:19.767 --> 00:21:21.333 WITH THEM FOR FOUR WEEKS? 00:21:21.433 --> 00:21:22.300 WELL, WHEN YOU READ IT, 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:23.900 IT'S THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:25.567 HE FOCUSES ON END TIMES. 00:21:25.667 --> 00:21:27.366 SO HE'S WRITING ABOUT THE END TIMES 00:21:27.466 --> 00:21:28.767 IN 1 THESSALONIANS CHAPTER FOUR. 00:21:28.867 --> 00:21:29.766 HE GETS TO CHAPTER FIVE. 00:21:29.866 --> 00:21:31.066 HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE DAY OF THE LORD 00:21:31.166 --> 00:21:35.300 AND THE TRIBULATION AND HE SAYS THAT YOU ARE TO PUT ON THE 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.567 HELMET OF THE HOPE OF SALVATION, 00:21:38.667 --> 00:21:41.900 FOR GOD HAS NOT APPOINTED YOU TO WRATH. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.033 SO HE'S JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT 00:21:43.133 --> 00:21:44.500 THE RAPTURE AS A RESCUE FROM WRATH. 00:21:44.600 --> 00:21:46.234 HE'S JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. 00:21:46.334 --> 00:21:47.467 AND NOW IT'S NOT THE HELMET OF SALVATION, 00:21:47.567 --> 00:21:49.266 IT'S THE HELMET OF THE HOPE OF SALVATION. 00:21:49.366 --> 00:21:52.100 WHAT IF THE EXPECTATION OF THE LORD'S RETURN THAT IT 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.066 COULD HAPPEN AT ANY MOMENT IS A PROTECTIVE PIECE OF 00:21:55.166 --> 00:21:56.767 THE ARMOR OF GOD. 00:21:56.867 --> 00:21:58.433 THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING TO JESUS 00:21:58.533 --> 00:22:00.400 AND YOU'RE SAYING IS IT TODAY? 00:22:00.500 --> 00:22:01.434 YOU KNOW, MARANATHA. 00:22:01.534 --> 00:22:03.267 TODAY COULD BE THE DAY THAT THE LORD COMES 00:22:03.367 --> 00:22:05.133 THAT THAT DOES SOMETHING TO YOUR MIND. 00:22:05.233 --> 00:22:06.300 IT DOES SOMETHING TO THE WAY YOU THINK, 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:07.767 THE WAY YOU LIVE 00:22:07.867 --> 00:22:10.600 AND IMAGINE IF YOU GOT A SPECIAL WORD FROM, 00:22:10.700 --> 00:22:12.733 I DON'T KNOW, THE ANGEL GABRIEL 00:22:12.833 --> 00:22:14.100 AND HE CAME TO YOU AND SAID, 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.100 JESUS IS COMING TODAY AT 2 P.M. 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:17.300 WELL, NUMBER ONE, 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:18.233 DON'T BELIEVE IT. 00:22:18.333 --> 00:22:19.633 BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR. 00:22:19.733 --> 00:22:21.300 BUT LET'S JUST SAY IN THIS FICTIONAL WORLD 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:22.367 THAT YOU KNEW THAT 00:22:22.467 --> 00:22:24.800 JESUS WAS COMING TODAY AT A CERTAIN TIME. 00:22:24.900 --> 00:22:26.667 WOULD THAT CHANGE HOW YOU LIVED TODAY? 00:22:26.767 --> 00:22:27.367 REBECCA: YEAH, IT WOULD. 00:22:27.467 --> 00:22:28.233 ALAN: WOULD THAT AFFECT -- 00:22:28.333 --> 00:22:28.766 WOULD YOU WANT TO FORGIVE PEOPLE? 00:22:28.866 --> 00:22:29.267 WOULD YOU -- 00:22:29.367 --> 00:22:30.267 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:22:30.367 --> 00:22:31.133 ALAN: WOULD YOU WANT TO GET THINGS RIGHT? 00:22:31.233 --> 00:22:31.934 REBECCA: GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER. 00:22:32.034 --> 00:22:33.167 ALAN: GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER. 00:22:33.267 --> 00:22:35.933 AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH DOES. 00:22:36.033 --> 00:22:37.966 MATTHEW 24 SAYS SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING. 00:22:38.066 --> 00:22:40.400 IT SAYS IT IS A WICKED SERVANT 00:22:40.500 --> 00:22:44.567 WHO SAYS MY MASTER DELAYS HIS COMING. 00:22:44.667 --> 00:22:45.567 THAT'S A WICKED SERVANT. 00:22:45.667 --> 00:22:46.633 AND THE BIBLE SAYS THAT 00:22:46.733 --> 00:22:48.633 SERVANT BEGINS TO BEAT OTHER SERVANTS AND -- 00:22:48.733 --> 00:22:49.500 REBECCA: YEAH AND ABUSE THEM. 00:22:49.600 --> 00:22:50.167 ALAN: AND ABUSE THEM. 00:22:50.267 --> 00:22:51.367 AND HE ACTS AS IN A WAY 00:22:51.467 --> 00:22:53.133 THAT'S, THAT'S HORRIBLE THAT HE WOULDN'T HAVE ACTED, 00:22:53.233 --> 00:22:55.734 IF HE BELIEVED THAT HIS MASTER COULD COME 00:22:55.834 --> 00:22:56.933 AT ANY MINUTE. 00:22:57.033 --> 00:22:58.767 SO THAT'S WHAT THE HELMET OF SALVATION DOES. 00:22:58.867 --> 00:23:01.267 IT CHANGES THE WAY YOU THINK AND THEREFORE CHANGES THE 00:23:01.367 --> 00:23:03.733 WAY YOU BEHAVE BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HIM TO 00:23:03.833 --> 00:23:05.167 RETURN AT ANY MOMENT. 00:23:05.267 --> 00:23:06.900 NOW IMMINENT, ANY MOMENT, 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.300 DOESN'T MEAN SOON. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:09.700 WE'RE READY FOR HIM TODAY 00:23:09.800 --> 00:23:10.766 OR IF HE DOESN'T COME TODAY, 00:23:10.866 --> 00:23:13.200 WE'RE READY TO WAIT A DAY OR A WEEK OR A MONTH 00:23:13.300 --> 00:23:14.567 OR A YEAR OR A HUNDRED YEARS. 00:23:14.667 --> 00:23:16.300 THAT'S THE WISDOM OF THE FIVE WISE VIRGINS. 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:18.500 YOU'RE READY NOW AND YOU'RE READY TO WAIT. 00:23:18.600 --> 00:23:20.600 BUT SOMETHING HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUT ON THE HELMET OF 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:22.733 SALVATION AND EVERYBODY CAN PUT IT ON RIGHT NOW. 00:23:22.833 --> 00:23:24.967 EVERYBODY WATCHING THIS PROGRAM CAN PUT ON THE 00:23:25.067 --> 00:23:26.000 HELMET OF SALVATION BY SAYING, 00:23:26.100 --> 00:23:26.734 YOU KNOW WHAT? 00:23:26.834 --> 00:23:27.833 JESUS, YOU ARE RETURNING. 00:23:27.933 --> 00:23:29.267 IT COULD HAPPEN AT ANY MOMENT. 00:23:29.367 --> 00:23:33.034 WHAT COULD I DO RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD PLEASE YOU 00:23:33.134 --> 00:23:33.700 TO HELP ME GET READY 00:23:33.800 --> 00:23:35.033 TO MEET YOU? 00:23:35.133 --> 00:23:36.433 NOT OUT OF CONDEMNATION. 00:23:36.533 --> 00:23:37.067 REBECCA: NO. 00:23:37.167 --> 00:23:38.300 ALAN: NOT OUT OF FEAR. 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:40.533 UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, 00:23:40.633 --> 00:23:41.734 I BOUGHT MY WIFE, 00:23:41.834 --> 00:23:45.300 IT WAS OUR FIRST CAR THAT WE PAID CASH FOR AND I WAS 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:47.500 SURPRISED THAT MY DAUGHTER AND I WENT AND GOT IT, 00:23:47.600 --> 00:23:49.500 WENT TO THE DEALERSHIP WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT. 00:23:49.600 --> 00:23:51.200 AND WE GOT IT BACK TO THE HOUSE 00:23:51.300 --> 00:23:52.466 AND MY WIFE WAS OUT RUNNING ERRANDS. 00:23:52.566 --> 00:23:53.666 AND WE WERE TRYING TO CLEAN THE GARAGE 00:23:53.766 --> 00:23:55.800 AND PUT A RIBBON ON THE CAR, 00:23:55.900 --> 00:23:56.533 YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF. 00:23:56.633 --> 00:23:57.633 SO WE'RE CLEANING, 00:23:57.733 --> 00:23:59.866 WE'RE BEING DILIGENT, BUT THEN WE GET A PHONE CALL 00:23:59.966 --> 00:24:02.867 FROM MY WIFE AND SHE SAYS I'LL BE HOME ANY MINUTE. 00:24:02.967 --> 00:24:04.867 AND NOW I WAS LIKE YOU HIT THE FAST FORWARD BUTTON, RIGHT? 00:24:04.967 --> 00:24:06.600 BECAUSE NOW, WE'RE LIKE SCURRYING ALL OVER 00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:09.067 THE PLACE NOT BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID, 00:24:09.167 --> 00:24:10.367 NOT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE JUDGED 00:24:10.467 --> 00:24:11.500 OR CONDEMNED BECAUSE WE'RE 00:24:11.600 --> 00:24:13.300 EXCITED TO SEE HER. 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:14.500 AND THAT'S WHAT THE RAPTURE OF 00:24:14.600 --> 00:24:15.167 THE CHURCH SHOULD BE. 00:24:15.267 --> 00:24:16.067 NOT FEAR, 00:24:16.167 --> 00:24:17.700 OH, NO, I'M GOING TO BE LEFT BEHIND. 00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:18.367 IT'S LIKE I'M GOING TO GET TO -- 00:24:18.467 --> 00:24:20.267 I'M GOING TO SEE JESUS, 00:24:20.367 --> 00:24:21.900 THE ONE WHO SAVED MY SOUL, 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.367 I'M GOING TO GET TO SEE HIM. 00:24:23.467 --> 00:24:24.100 WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:25.266 THAT'S GOING TO BE. 00:24:25.366 --> 00:24:27.600 REBECCA: YEAH, AND I LOVE IT BECAUSE FEAR PARALYZES 00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:29.433 PEOPLE AND IT SHUTS THEM DOWN, 00:24:29.533 --> 00:24:32.766 BUT HOPE GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD 00:24:32.866 --> 00:24:34.067 EVEN THROUGH DIFFICULT TIMES. 00:24:34.167 --> 00:24:35.234 AND EVEN THE CHURCH, 00:24:35.334 --> 00:24:37.466 YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BIBLE IS BEING WRITTEN 00:24:37.566 --> 00:24:38.267 THE EARLY CHURCH, 00:24:38.367 --> 00:24:39.633 THEY HAD THAT HOPE. 00:24:39.733 --> 00:24:41.700 YOU KNOW, THAT EXPECTATION OF CHRIST'S RETURN 00:24:41.800 --> 00:24:43.734 AND IT AFFECTED HOW THEY LIVED. 00:24:43.834 --> 00:24:45.000 SO ALL OF US SHOULD LIVE, 00:24:45.100 --> 00:24:48.234 ESPECIALLY US NOW AS WE'RE LIVING IN THE END OF THE END. 00:24:48.334 --> 00:24:49.467 ALAN: AND HOW DID THEY GREET ONE ANOTHER? 00:24:49.567 --> 00:24:50.034 MARANATHA. 00:24:50.134 --> 00:24:51.034 REBECCA: YES. 00:24:51.134 --> 00:24:51.667 ALAN: THAT'S HOW THE EARLY CHURCH GREETED 00:24:51.767 --> 00:24:52.600 ONE ANOTHER MEANING 00:24:52.700 --> 00:24:53.434 JESUS IS COMING. 00:24:53.534 --> 00:24:53.967 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:24:54.067 --> 00:24:54.567 THEY LIVED OUT 00:24:54.667 --> 00:24:55.600 OF THAT REVELATION. 00:24:55.700 --> 00:24:56.366 ALAN: YES. 00:24:56.466 --> 00:24:57.567 REBECCA: SO IT'S SO POWERFUL. 00:24:57.667 --> 00:25:00.566 AND I THINK THAT THE CHURCH DOES NEED TO AWAKEN 00:25:00.666 --> 00:25:02.900 TO THIS REALITY AND NOT LIVE FROM A PLACE OF FEAR, 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.000 WHICH THAT REALLY HAS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE WAY A LOT 00:25:06.100 --> 00:25:06.933 OF PEOPLE HAVE HANDLED IT. 00:25:07.033 --> 00:25:08.333 I'VE EVEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME THE WAY 00:25:08.433 --> 00:25:08.967 SOME PEOPLE TEACH IT, 00:25:09.067 --> 00:25:10.567 IT'S EVEN AFFECTED ME. 00:25:10.667 --> 00:25:13.400 IT'S NOT FEAR, BUT GOD OVER TIME AND THROUGH GOOD 00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:14.867 BIBLICAL TEACHING LIKE THIS, 00:25:14.967 --> 00:25:16.134 IT'S TURNED INTO AN EXCITEMENT 00:25:16.234 --> 00:25:17.600 LIKE HE WILL RETURN. 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:19.400 HE'S COMING BACK FOR HIS BRIDE. 00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:22.200 AND, UM, WHEN WE GO BEFORE HIM, 00:25:22.300 --> 00:25:24.067 WE WILL GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF OUR LIVES. 00:25:24.167 --> 00:25:26.700 AND SO UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT, 00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:27.933 THE ACCOUNTABILITY. 00:25:28.033 --> 00:25:29.067 UNDERSTANDING THAT HIS 00:25:29.167 --> 00:25:31.066 RETURN IS COMING AND THAT WE NEED TO LIVE A LIFE. 00:25:31.166 --> 00:25:33.134 THAT'S PLEASING TO HIM BECAUSE WE WILL STAND 00:25:33.234 --> 00:25:35.667 BEFORE HIM AND WILL JUDGE IF IT'S WOOD, 00:25:35.767 --> 00:25:36.800 YOU WERE SAYING WOOD. 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:37.966 ALAN: THAT'S NOT A POPULAR MESSAGE ANYMORE. 00:25:38.066 --> 00:25:39.467 YOU KNOW, WHEN DO YOU HEAR WHERE'S THE BOOKS WRITING 00:25:39.567 --> 00:25:41.467 ABOUT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST? 00:25:41.567 --> 00:25:42.966 WHERE NO UNBELIEVER IS GOING TO BE THERE. 00:25:43.066 --> 00:25:45.134 THIS IS JUST BELIEVERS WHO ARE STANDING BEFORE GOD 00:25:45.234 --> 00:25:46.134 TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT. 00:25:46.234 --> 00:25:46.567 REBECCA: IT'S OUR JUDGEMENT AS BELIEVERS. 00:25:46.667 --> 00:25:47.100 ALAN: YES. 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:47.633 IS IT WOOD? 00:25:47.733 --> 00:25:48.134 IS IT HAY? 00:25:48.234 --> 00:25:49.000 IS IT STUBBLE? 00:25:49.100 --> 00:25:49.933 WHAT DID WE DO IT FOR? 00:25:50.033 --> 00:25:52.267 TEMPORAL, TEMPORARY CARNAL REASONS. 00:25:52.367 --> 00:25:52.900 WHAT WAS OUR MOTIVES? 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:53.534 AS YOU SAID. 00:25:53.634 --> 00:25:54.500 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:25:54.600 --> 00:25:55.634 ALAN: BUT IS IT OR IS IT GOLD, SILVER 00:25:55.734 --> 00:25:56.867 AND PRECIOUS STONES? 00:25:56.967 --> 00:25:58.166 REBECCA: I LOVE THAT TEACHING, THOUGH, 00:25:58.266 --> 00:26:01.133 BECAUSE ONE, IT KEEPS ME ACCOUNTABLE, BUT TWO, 00:26:01.233 --> 00:26:03.834 IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN YOU SEE LIKE INJUSTICE OR YOU 00:26:03.934 --> 00:26:06.733 SEE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH YOU, 00:26:06.833 --> 00:26:08.666 YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE JUSTICE IN YOUR OWN HANDS, 00:26:08.766 --> 00:26:10.934 BUT YOU KNOW THAT GOD IS GOING TO JUDGE ALL OF US 00:26:11.034 --> 00:26:12.533 AS THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE AND NO ONE'S GOING 00:26:12.633 --> 00:26:13.634 TO GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING. 00:26:13.734 --> 00:26:15.900 EVERYTHING WILL BE CLEARLY LAID BEFORE HIM. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.867 AND HE WILL SAY IF, HE WILL -- HE SEES 00:26:18.967 --> 00:26:19.967 THE MOTIVATIONS OF PEOPLE. 00:26:20.067 --> 00:26:22.633 AND HE WILL HANDLE THAT IN HIS WAY, IN HIS TIME. 00:26:22.733 --> 00:26:24.633 AND SO WE JUST NEED TO LIVE OUR LIVES RIGHT 00:26:24.733 --> 00:26:27.034 AND ALLOW HIM TO JUDGE THOSE WHO ARE WRONG. 00:26:27.134 --> 00:26:28.234 ALAN: THAT'S RIGHT. 00:26:28.334 --> 00:26:29.433 THIS IS A SOBERING MOMENT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST. 00:26:29.533 --> 00:26:31.000 AND THE ONLY POSITION THAT REALLY 00:26:31.100 --> 00:26:33.700 ALLOWS FOR TIME BETWEEN PRE-TRIBULATION 00:26:33.800 --> 00:26:35.367 AND POST-TRIBULATION, POST-TRIBULATION, 00:26:35.467 --> 00:26:36.700 THERE'S NO TIME FOR THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST. 00:26:36.800 --> 00:26:37.900 REBECCA: NO. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.233 ALAN: THERE'S NO WHERE TO PLACE THAT IN THE TIMELINE. 00:26:39.333 --> 00:26:41.200 THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, WHERE HE'S GOING TO 00:26:41.300 --> 00:26:42.967 WALK US THROUGH WOOD, HAY, AND STUBBLE, GOLD, 00:26:43.067 --> 00:26:44.200 SILVER, PRECIOUS STONES. 00:26:44.300 --> 00:26:46.400 AND THE BIBLE SAYS YOU WILL BE SAVED, 00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:47.833 BUT YOU WILL BE SAVED AS ONE SCREAMING 00:26:47.933 --> 00:26:50.967 THROUGH THE FIRE WHICH IS AN INTERESTING DESCRIPTION. 00:26:51.067 --> 00:26:52.633 I PUT SEVERAL TRANSLATIONS THERE. 00:26:52.733 --> 00:26:53.400 REBECCA: WHAT SCRIPTURE IS THAT? 00:26:53.500 --> 00:26:54.766 ALAN: IT'S IN 1 CORINTHIANS. 00:26:54.866 --> 00:26:56.567 I BELIEVE IT'S CHAPTER THREE OR CHAPTER SIX WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT 00:26:56.667 --> 00:26:59.100 THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST AND IT SAYS YOU'RE 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:00.067 GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO BE SAVED, 00:27:00.167 --> 00:27:01.334 BUT AS ONE SCREAMING THROUGH THE FIRE. 00:27:01.434 --> 00:27:03.466 THIS IS NOT TO BE SCARED BECAUSE WE NEED TO 00:27:03.566 --> 00:27:06.100 RECOGNIZE YOU WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH YOUR LIFE 00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.100 AS IT WAS AND YOUR LIFE AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN. 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:10.333 REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH. 00:27:10.433 --> 00:27:12.167 ALAN: AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A STARTLING MOMENT, RIGHT? 00:27:12.267 --> 00:27:13.367 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:27:13.467 --> 00:27:14.967 ALAN: AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS MOMENT IS HE UNVEILS 00:27:15.067 --> 00:27:18.666 HIS GRACE AND WE SEE WHERE WE MISSED IT. 00:27:18.766 --> 00:27:21.300 AND THAT HE STILL WELCOMES US AND HE STILL -- 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.133 I JUST -- IT'S HARD FOR ME TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IT. 00:27:23.233 --> 00:27:25.233 HE STILL LOVES US AND BRINGS US. 00:27:25.333 --> 00:27:28.200 BUT THAT'S GOING TO, THAT'S GOING TO SO IMPACT US. 00:27:28.300 --> 00:27:29.800 THAT'S GOING TO BE THE REASON WE WERE ABLE TO 00:27:29.900 --> 00:27:31.100 PRAISE HIM FOR ETERNITY BECAUSE IN THAT MOMENT WE 00:27:31.167 --> 00:27:33.533 SEE EVERY MISTAKE WE MADE. 00:27:33.633 --> 00:27:35.233 AND THEN AFTER SEEING IT 00:27:35.333 --> 00:27:38.300 AND FEELING IT DEEPLY, HE COVERS IT. 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.067 AND HE WIPES AWAY ALL OF OUR TEARS AND THEN WE 00:27:41.167 --> 00:27:42.700 ENTER INTO ETERNITY WITH HIM. 00:27:42.800 --> 00:27:44.500 SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE RAPTURE IS ABOUT. 00:27:44.600 --> 00:27:47.034 THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THAT MOMENT AND IT'S GOING 00:27:47.134 --> 00:27:49.733 TO BE AN AMAZING, AN AMAZING TIME. 00:27:49.833 --> 00:27:51.300 AND THEN AFTER THAT, WHO KNOWS. 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.300 REBECCA: I MEAN, THAT'S SUCH A GREAT MESSAGE, 00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:54.834 THOUGH LIKE THE GRACE, 00:27:54.934 --> 00:27:57.500 HOW POWERFUL THE GRACE AND THE LOVE OF GOD IS. 00:27:57.600 --> 00:28:00.366 UM, SO ONE OF THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT IS YOU TALK ABOUT 00:28:00.466 --> 00:28:02.900 THREE KINDS OF TRIBULATION. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.567 CAN YOU UNPACK THAT? 00:28:04.667 --> 00:28:05.600 ALAN: WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, 00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:07.467 WELL, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO THINK 00:28:07.567 --> 00:28:09.200 YOU'RE GOING TO ESCAPE TRIBULATION? 00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:10.366 REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. 00:28:10.466 --> 00:28:12.000 ALAN: EVERY GENERATION, EVERY, EVERY, EVERY CHURCH. 00:28:12.100 --> 00:28:12.934 JESUS SAID, 00:28:13.034 --> 00:28:14.267 WELL, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, 00:28:14.367 --> 00:28:15.767 I WORK, THIS IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME, 00:28:15.867 --> 00:28:17.566 BECAUSE I WORK WITH THE PERSECUTED CHURCH 00:28:17.666 --> 00:28:18.700 AROUND THE WORLD. 00:28:18.800 --> 00:28:21.200 I'VE, I'VE SMUGGLED BIBLES INTO THE MIDDLE EAST. 00:28:21.300 --> 00:28:23.134 I MYSELF HAVE STARED DOWN THE BARREL OF A GUN FOR 00:28:23.234 --> 00:28:24.700 PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. 00:28:24.800 --> 00:28:25.867 I HAVE WORKED WITH THE PERSECUTED CHURCH, 00:28:25.967 --> 00:28:27.633 CHINA, ISRAEL, IN THE MIDDLE 00:28:27.733 --> 00:28:28.667 EAST ALL OVER THE WORLD. 00:28:28.767 --> 00:28:30.467 SO THIS IS VERY REAL AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 00:28:30.567 --> 00:28:31.667 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:28:31.767 --> 00:28:32.700 ALAN: BUT WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE IS THERE'S THREE 00:28:32.800 --> 00:28:34.400 DIFFERENT KINDS OF TRIBULATION IN SCRIPTURE. 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:37.400 THERE'S THE LOWERCASE T TRIBULATION 00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:38.834 AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 00:28:38.934 --> 00:28:39.934 THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW 00:28:40.034 --> 00:28:41.533 JESUS SAID IF YOU FOLLOW ME, 00:28:41.633 --> 00:28:42.934 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRIBULATION. 00:28:43.034 --> 00:28:43.834 AND EVERY CHRISTIAN NEEDS 00:28:43.934 --> 00:28:45.433 TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT, NEEDS TO BE 00:28:45.533 --> 00:28:47.800 PREPARED TO FACE IT, AND FACE IT WITH JOY. 00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:48.934 FACE IT WITH STRENGTH 00:28:49.034 --> 00:28:50.200 AND WE NEED TO TRAIN AND DISCIPLE 00:28:50.300 --> 00:28:52.900 CHRISTIANS TO BE ABLE TO FACE PERSECUTION. 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.400 REBECCA: COUNT IT ALL JOY, MY BRETHREN. 00:28:54.500 --> 00:28:55.034 ALAN: WHEN YOU FALL INTO, 00:28:55.134 --> 00:28:55.967 YES, EXACTLY. 00:28:56.067 --> 00:28:56.600 DOES THAT SOUND LIKE FUN? 00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:57.633 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:28:57.733 --> 00:28:58.700 ALAN: WHEN YOU FALL INTO DIVERS TEMPTATIONS. 00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:00.334 SO IT'S TRUE, AND WE MUST TRY, 00:29:00.434 --> 00:29:01.400 WE'VE DONE A TERRIBLE JOB 00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:03.734 OF TRAINING CHRISTIANS TO STAND AGAINST THAT. 00:29:03.834 --> 00:29:05.200 SO ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE TO DO THAT, 00:29:05.300 --> 00:29:08.300 BUT THEN THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE TRIBULATION. 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.434 REBECCA: THAT'S A GOOD, YES. 00:29:09.534 --> 00:29:10.367 ALAN: CAPITAL T. 00:29:10.467 --> 00:29:11.567 REBECCA: THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO. 00:29:11.667 --> 00:29:12.367 ALAN: YES. 00:29:12.467 --> 00:29:13.833 AND LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 00:29:13.933 --> 00:29:17.700 A BASKETBALL PLAYER AND THE BASKETBALL PLAYER. 00:29:17.800 --> 00:29:18.900 EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:19.533 MICHAEL JORDAN. 00:29:19.633 --> 00:29:20.334 REBECCA: MICHAEL JORDAN. 00:29:20.434 --> 00:29:21.567 ALAN: IF YOU SAY LEBRON, YOU ARE, 00:29:21.667 --> 00:29:22.200 YOU'RE CANCELED. 00:29:22.300 --> 00:29:23.300 REBECCA: NO. 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:24.534 ALAN: SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRIBULATION, 00:29:24.634 --> 00:29:26.033 THERE'S SMALL T TRIBULATION, 00:29:26.133 --> 00:29:27.267 THEN THERE'S THE TRIBULATION. 00:29:27.367 --> 00:29:30.033 AND THIS IS NOT BEING ATTACKED BECAUSE OF YOUR FAITH. 00:29:30.133 --> 00:29:30.767 THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. 00:29:30.867 --> 00:29:31.933 THIS IS NOT THE DEVIL 00:29:32.033 --> 00:29:34.500 COMING AFTER YOU OR A GOD-HATING WORLD HATING YOU. 00:29:34.600 --> 00:29:35.900 THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.400 IN REVELATION CHAPTER SIX, 00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:41.867 GOD POURS OUT HIS DIRECT WRATH ON THE ENTIRE EARTH. 00:29:41.967 --> 00:29:43.033 THERE'S NO WAY TO ESCAPE IT, 00:29:43.133 --> 00:29:45.667 THERE'S NO WHERE TO RUN, NO ONE IS PROTECTED FROM IT. 00:29:45.767 --> 00:29:48.067 HE POURS IT OUT OVER THE ENTIRE GLOBE. 00:29:48.167 --> 00:29:51.033 THAT IS THE TRIBULATION AND THAT IS COMPLETELY 00:29:51.133 --> 00:29:52.400 DIFFERENT FROM THE ATTACKS OF THE ENEMY 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:53.600 OR THE ATTACKS OF MAN. 00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:54.767 BECAUSE A LOT OF CHRISTIANS THINK, 00:29:54.867 --> 00:29:56.267 WELL, I'M GOING TO BE HERE DURING THE TRIBULATION 00:29:56.367 --> 00:29:57.600 AND I'M GOING TO STAND AGAINST -- 00:29:57.700 --> 00:29:58.366 LISTEN... 00:29:58.466 --> 00:29:59.333 REBECCA: YEAH, THE ANTICHRIST. 00:29:59.433 --> 00:30:00.366 ALAN: THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF DISCIPLESHIP, 00:30:00.466 --> 00:30:02.634 NO AMOUNT OF ROCKY TRAINING MONTAGE THAT YOU 00:30:02.734 --> 00:30:04.867 CAN GO THROUGH TO GET HYPED UP ENOUGH TO 00:30:04.967 --> 00:30:07.900 WITHSTAND THE DIRECT WRATH OF GOD. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:09.166 THAT'S LIKE SAYING, I'M GOING TO STAY HERE 00:30:09.266 --> 00:30:10.133 DURING THE FLOOD. 00:30:10.233 --> 00:30:11.434 NOAH, YOU GO AHEAD AND GET IN THE BOAT. 00:30:11.534 --> 00:30:13.267 I'M GOING TO STAY HERE AND I'M GOING TO STAND STRONG. 00:30:13.367 --> 00:30:15.700 THERE'S NO STANDING STRONG DURING THE FLOOD. 00:30:15.800 --> 00:30:16.500 REBECCA: 'CAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT. 00:30:16.600 --> 00:30:17.534 ALAN: YES, TOTALLY DIFFERENT. 00:30:17.634 --> 00:30:18.500 REBECCA: IT'S LIKE A PURE, 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:19.533 AND YOU MADE SUCH A GOOD POINT EARLIER. 00:30:19.633 --> 00:30:24.667 YOU SAID THAT CHRIST ALREADY TOOK ON ALL OF 00:30:24.767 --> 00:30:26.200 GOD'S WRATH ON THE CROSS. 00:30:26.300 --> 00:30:28.633 AND WE'RE IN CHRIST, WHY WOULD GOD DO IT AGAIN. 00:30:28.733 --> 00:30:31.533 AND IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THAT STORY WITH MOSES, 00:30:31.633 --> 00:30:32.867 HOW HE STRUCK THE ROCK, 00:30:32.967 --> 00:30:33.733 THE ROCK TWICE. 00:30:33.833 --> 00:30:34.800 ALAN: OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 00:30:34.900 --> 00:30:36.000 REBECCA: AND HE GOT IN HUGE TROUBLE WITH GOD 00:30:36.100 --> 00:30:37.600 BECAUSE HE SAID I WOULD NEVER STRIKE 00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:39.100 MY SON TWICE. 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:40.634 ALAN: I NEVER SAW THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THIS. 00:30:40.734 --> 00:30:41.767 REBECCA: ISN'T THAT WILD? 00:30:41.867 --> 00:30:44.200 ALAN: THAT'S POWERFUL AND HE'S SHOWING US BECAUSE 00:30:44.300 --> 00:30:45.934 WE'RE IN CHRIST AND ALL THE WRATH OF GOD WAS 00:30:46.034 --> 00:30:48.700 ALREADY POURED OUT ON JESUS AND TO CAUSE 00:30:48.800 --> 00:30:49.800 THE CHURCH TO BE HERE 00:30:49.900 --> 00:30:52.167 DURING THE TRIBULATION, WOULD BE LIKE CRUCIFYING 00:30:52.267 --> 00:30:53.267 JESUS A SECOND TIME. 00:30:53.367 --> 00:30:54.167 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:30:54.267 --> 00:30:54.734 ALAN: AND HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT. 00:30:54.834 --> 00:30:55.800 WE'RE IN HIM. 00:30:55.900 --> 00:30:57.167 WE'RE HIS BRIDE. 00:30:57.267 --> 00:30:58.167 WE'RE GOING TO A GREAT MARRIAGE. 00:30:58.267 --> 00:30:59.333 HE'S NOT GOING TO BEAT US UP, 00:30:59.433 --> 00:31:02.633 NOT THE DEVIL ABUSE US AND TEAR US UP AS HIS BRIDE. 00:31:02.733 --> 00:31:05.067 HE'S GOING TO TAKE US OUT OF HERE BEFORE ALL THAT 00:31:05.167 --> 00:31:06.100 STUFF IS POURED OUT. 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:06.966 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:31:07.066 --> 00:31:09.067 AND THEN THE LAST TRIBULATION IS? 00:31:09.167 --> 00:31:10.400 ALAN: THE GREAT TRIBULATION. 00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:12.267 WHICH IS THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS OF THAT 00:31:12.367 --> 00:31:15.300 SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD WHERE THE ANTICHRIST SETS UP 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:17.934 HIS HIMSELF AS GOD. 00:31:18.034 --> 00:31:19.066 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:31:19.166 --> 00:31:20.133 AND EVEN THOUGH THERE'S BEEN OBVIOUSLY HORRIBLE 00:31:20.233 --> 00:31:22.533 THINGS ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY AND PERSECUTION, 00:31:22.633 --> 00:31:25.466 WHEN YOU STUDY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE TRIBULATION, 00:31:25.566 --> 00:31:26.700 IT'S UNLIKE ANYTHING THAT'S 00:31:26.800 --> 00:31:28.866 EVER HAPPENED TO MANKIND. 00:31:28.966 --> 00:31:30.900 ALAN: JESUS SAYS THAT AND THAT JUST PROVES, 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.300 YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS IDEA OF ALL THE PROPHECIES 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:34.400 HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED. 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:35.700 WELL, WHEN DID THE WORST TIME IN 00:31:35.800 --> 00:31:37.600 HUMAN HISTORY EVER HAPPEN? 00:31:37.700 --> 00:31:38.533 IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. 00:31:38.633 --> 00:31:39.167 REBECCA: NO. 00:31:39.267 --> 00:31:40.200 NOT -- WHEN YOU READ IT, 00:31:40.300 --> 00:31:41.933 IT IS LIKE, IT'S A -- IT'S LIKE SUPERNATURAL 00:31:42.033 --> 00:31:42.567 WHAT'S HAPPENING? 00:31:42.667 --> 00:31:43.433 ALAN: YES. 00:31:43.533 --> 00:31:44.067 REBECCA: WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? 00:31:44.167 --> 00:31:45.367 IT'S GOING TO BE VERY -- 00:31:45.467 --> 00:31:46.100 ALAN: PEOPLE ARE CRYING OUT 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:47.833 FOR THE ROCKS TO FALL ON THEM 00:31:47.933 --> 00:31:50.367 TO DIE AND THEY KNOW IT'S THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD, 00:31:50.467 --> 00:31:51.234 YET THEY STILL CURSE GOD. 00:31:51.334 --> 00:31:52.300 IT'S A BAD TIME. 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.767 YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HERE DURING THAT TIME. 00:31:53.867 --> 00:31:56.300 AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH DURING THAT TIME. 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.600 SO MOST PEOPLE MISUNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE 00:31:57.700 --> 00:31:59.367 FUNCTION OF THE TRIBULATION AND THE GREAT 00:31:59.467 --> 00:32:01.700 TRIBULATION BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF IT HAS NOTHING 00:32:01.800 --> 00:32:02.933 TO DO WITH THE CHURCH. 00:32:03.033 --> 00:32:04.167 WHEN YOU READ REVELATION, 00:32:04.267 --> 00:32:07.900 THE FIRST FOUR CHAPTERS, THE FIRST THREE HAS THE CHURCH 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.933 MENTIONED 19 TIMES IN THE FIRST THREE CHAPTERS. 00:32:10.033 --> 00:32:12.333 AND THEN IN CHAPTER FOUR, A DOOR IS OPENED IN HEAVEN. 00:32:12.433 --> 00:32:14.867 JOHN, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CHURCH IS CALLED UP 00:32:14.967 --> 00:32:17.767 IN A TYPE OF RAPTURE AND THEN THEY'RE ABSENT. 00:32:17.867 --> 00:32:19.267 AND THEN THAT GOD IS ALL OF A SUDDEN CALLING 00:32:19.367 --> 00:32:23.067 144,000 JEWISH EVANGELISTS, TWO WITNESSES, 00:32:23.167 --> 00:32:24.367 AND THE FOCUS BECOMES ISRAEL. 00:32:24.467 --> 00:32:26.067 SO FOR PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE 00:32:26.167 --> 00:32:27.800 HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO EVANGELIZE AND THEY'RE 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:28.733 GOING TO BE A WITNESS, 00:32:28.833 --> 00:32:29.400 YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE 00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:31.033 OF THE TRIBULATION. 00:32:31.133 --> 00:32:32.567 GOD'S GOT THIS HANDLED, ANGELS ARE GOING 00:32:32.667 --> 00:32:33.500 TO BE PREACHING. 00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:35.633 144,000 JEWISH EVANGELISTS LIKE JOHN 00:32:35.733 --> 00:32:36.766 THE BAPTIST ARE GOING TO BE PREACHING. 00:32:36.866 --> 00:32:38.167 YOU'RE NOT NEEDED. 00:32:38.267 --> 00:32:40.166 REBECCA: YEAH, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS A RECENT THING 00:32:40.266 --> 00:32:42.200 I LEARNED IS THAT THE 144 ARE, THEY'RE 00:32:42.300 --> 00:32:43.433 JEWISH EVANGELISTS, RIGHT? 00:32:43.533 --> 00:32:44.200 ALAN: YES. 00:32:44.300 --> 00:32:45.033 REBECCA: TO HELP SAVE ISRAEL. 00:32:45.133 --> 00:32:47.300 ALAN: YES, 144,000, VIRGIN MEN 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.934 WHO ARE PURE, WHO LOVE THE LORD. 00:32:49.034 --> 00:32:49.867 THEY ARE ALL -- 00:32:49.967 --> 00:32:52.134 CAN YOU IMAGINE ONE JOHN THE BAPTIST? 00:32:52.234 --> 00:32:54.367 112,000 FROM EACH OF THE 12 TRIBES OF 00:32:54.467 --> 00:32:57.267 ISRAEL AND THEY'RE ALL PREACHING WITH SIGNS AND WONDERS. 00:32:57.367 --> 00:32:57.800 REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL. 00:32:57.900 --> 00:32:58.566 ALAN: REPENTANCE. 00:32:58.666 --> 00:32:59.300 YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE WILD. 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:00.834 REBECCA: OH, THAT WILL BE -- 00:33:00.934 --> 00:33:01.600 I HOPE WE CAN WATCH. 00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:02.067 ALAN: I DO, TOO. 00:33:02.167 --> 00:33:03.000 I DO, TOO. 00:33:03.100 --> 00:33:04.067 REBECCA: THAT WOULD BE SO COOL. 00:33:04.167 --> 00:33:05.100 ALAN: IF WE'RE NOT EATING A GOOD DINNER. 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.400 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:07.734 I KNOW, WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE ISN'T THAT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE 00:33:07.834 --> 00:33:08.767 THE MARRIAGE SUPPER? 00:33:08.867 --> 00:33:09.934 ALAN: YEAH, THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB. 00:33:10.034 --> 00:33:11.000 RICK RENNER SAYS 00:33:11.100 --> 00:33:12.500 HE IMAGINES IT LIKE THIS THAT WE'RE ALL SITTING 00:33:12.600 --> 00:33:13.366 AROUND THE TABLE. 00:33:13.466 --> 00:33:14.533 AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, 00:33:14.633 --> 00:33:17.133 A NAME WILL BE CALLED AND THAT'LL BE OUR TURN TO GO, 00:33:17.233 --> 00:33:19.067 TO GO AND STAND BEFORE JESUS. 00:33:19.167 --> 00:33:20.600 AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CELEBRATION. 00:33:20.700 --> 00:33:21.533 WE GO STAND BEFORE HIM 00:33:21.633 --> 00:33:23.033 AND THEN WE COME BACK TO THE TABLE. 00:33:23.133 --> 00:33:24.400 AND WE'RE JUST, FOR SEVEN YEARS, 00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:25.600 WE'RE IN THIS CELEBRATION. 00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:26.466 REBECCA: OH, MAN. 00:33:26.566 --> 00:33:27.300 ALAN: IT'S GOING TO BE GLORIOUS. 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:28.100 REBECCA: IT'S GOING TO BE SO, 00:33:28.234 --> 00:33:30.300 IT'S LIKE SO HARD TO EVEN IMAGINE, 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:31.700 BUT IT JUST PUTS INTO ME 00:33:31.800 --> 00:33:34.100 JUST THIS LIKE IMPORTANCE OF JUST LIVING 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.166 MY LIFE CORRECTLY. 00:33:36.266 --> 00:33:37.200 ALAN: YEAH. 00:33:37.300 --> 00:33:38.766 REBECCA: UM, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH IN OUR 00:33:38.866 --> 00:33:40.766 FUTURE AND THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON -- 00:33:40.866 --> 00:33:43.300 THAT REALLY IS THE HELMET OF THE HOPE OF SALVATION, 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.100 BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE, 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.200 YOU'RE LIKE OKAY, I CAN BY THE GRACE OF GOD, 00:33:47.300 --> 00:33:49.300 I CAN GO THROUGH WHATEVER TRIALS AND STUFF COMES MY 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:50.767 WAY BECAUSE IT'S SO TEMPORARY. 00:33:50.867 --> 00:33:51.933 ALAN: YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 00:33:52.033 --> 00:33:55.266 REBECCA: AND THERE'S SO MUCH PURPOSE AND I CAN'T -- 00:33:55.366 --> 00:33:56.900 AND ONE THING THAT REALLY STANDS OUT TO ME, AND MY 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.767 HUSBAND AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY, 00:33:58.867 --> 00:34:00.634 LIKE WHEN I THINK ABOUT LIKE WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT 00:34:00.734 --> 00:34:01.700 HAS CONVICTED ME ON. 00:34:01.800 --> 00:34:04.267 THE THING THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST CONSISTENCY 00:34:04.367 --> 00:34:06.067 IS HOW I TREAT PEOPLE. 00:34:06.167 --> 00:34:08.834 AND SO THE ENEMY SO WANTS US TO LIKE TO 00:34:08.934 --> 00:34:10.766 DISHONOR ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE THE KINGDOM OF GOD 00:34:10.866 --> 00:34:11.867 OPERATES IN HONOR. 00:34:11.967 --> 00:34:13.000 ALAN: YES. 00:34:13.100 --> 00:34:15.233 REBECCA: AND HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE IS SO IMPORTANT. 00:34:15.333 --> 00:34:17.033 NOT ONLY BECAUSE HONOR ADVANCES THE KINGDOM OF 00:34:17.133 --> 00:34:21.100 GOD AND, UM, DISMANTLES THE ENEMY'S KINGDOM. 00:34:21.200 --> 00:34:24.167 BUT ALSO BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I THINK 00:34:24.267 --> 00:34:24.933 ONE OF THE BIG THINGS 00:34:25.033 --> 00:34:26.100 WE WILL BE HELD -- 00:34:26.200 --> 00:34:27.134 I MEAN, WE'LL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERYTHING. 00:34:27.234 --> 00:34:28.167 BUT I THINK THAT'S WHEN THE BIG THINGS 00:34:28.267 --> 00:34:29.000 WE'LL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR. 00:34:29.100 --> 00:34:30.233 ALAN: HOW WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER. 00:34:30.333 --> 00:34:32.733 REBECCA: BECAUSE HE SAYS THEY ASKED JESUS TO SUM UP THE 00:34:32.833 --> 00:34:36.167 COMMANDMENTS AND HE SAID LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD 00:34:36.267 --> 00:34:38.033 AND THEN LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. 00:34:38.133 --> 00:34:40.200 AND SO THERE IS A HIGH CALLING AND YOU SEE IT 00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:41.134 ALL THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE 00:34:41.234 --> 00:34:43.000 HOW WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER. 00:34:43.100 --> 00:34:44.267 ALAN: IT GOES BACK TO THAT WICKED SERVANT 00:34:44.367 --> 00:34:46.233 WHO SAID MY MASTER DELAYS. 00:34:46.333 --> 00:34:47.300 THERE'S SOMETHING WHEN YOU THINK 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.767 JESUS IS DELAYING HIS COMING, 00:34:48.867 --> 00:34:50.567 IT OPENS THE DOOR TO THAT KIND OF WICKEDNESS. 00:34:50.667 --> 00:34:51.200 REBECCA: YES. 00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:52.067 ALAN: IT'S NOT SAYING, 00:34:52.167 --> 00:34:53.167 IT'S NOT SAYING YOU ARE WICKED. 00:34:53.267 --> 00:34:55.033 IT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO THAT KIND OF WICKEDNESS. 00:34:55.133 --> 00:34:57.033 REBECCA: AND WHAT I LOVE IS ONE BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING 00:34:57.133 --> 00:34:58.466 ABOUT LONGING FOR HIS APPEARING. 00:34:58.566 --> 00:34:59.600 I THINK THAT'S IN TIMOTHY. 00:34:59.700 --> 00:35:01.000 AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THE CROWN. 00:35:01.100 --> 00:35:02.900 AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT IN 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.534 THE BOOK OF JOHN, WHERE I THINK IT'S FIRST JOHN OR 00:35:05.634 --> 00:35:10.367 SECOND JOHN, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT THOSE WHO HAVE THAT 00:35:10.467 --> 00:35:12.967 ANTICIPATION TO SEE JESUS. 00:35:13.067 --> 00:35:14.067 ALAN: PURIFY THEMSELVES. 00:35:14.167 --> 00:35:14.734 REBECCA: IT KEEPS THEM 00:35:14.834 --> 00:35:16.467 HOLY AND KEEPS THEM PURE. 00:35:16.567 --> 00:35:18.600 AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GIVEN TO US 00:35:18.700 --> 00:35:20.000 TO HELP KEEP US, 00:35:20.100 --> 00:35:21.067 YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABLE. 00:35:21.167 --> 00:35:23.267 KEEP US IN THE RIGHT HEART POSTURE. 00:35:23.367 --> 00:35:25.500 YOU KNOW, IN THE RIGHT HEADSPACE 00:35:25.600 --> 00:35:26.600 FOR LIVING LIFE NOW. 00:35:26.700 --> 00:35:28.233 ALAN: SO THE ENEMY HAS TRIED TO TELL US THAT 00:35:28.333 --> 00:35:29.300 IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE RAPTURE, 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.067 IT'S GOING TO CAUSE YOU TO BE LAZY. 00:35:31.167 --> 00:35:32.100 IT'S GOING TO CAUSE YOU TO BURY YOUR HEAD 00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:33.700 IN THE SAND AND DISENGAGE. 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.667 WHAT IF THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS TRUE? 00:35:35.767 --> 00:35:37.900 WHAT IF WE JUST BELIEVED AN ABSOLUTE LIE? 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.900 WHAT IF ANYONE WHO HAS THIS HOPE ACTUALLY 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.100 PURIFIES HIMSELF AND LIVES HOLY? 00:35:42.200 --> 00:35:44.733 WHAT IF, THE BOOK OF HEBREWS SAYS AND EVEN THE 00:35:44.833 --> 00:35:46.867 MORE SO AS YOU SEE THAT DAY APPROACHING FORSAKE 00:35:46.967 --> 00:35:48.933 NOT THE ASSEMBLY OF YOURSELVES TOGETHER. 00:35:49.033 --> 00:35:50.367 THAT WHEN YOU SEE THAT DAY APPROACHING, 00:35:50.467 --> 00:35:52.900 THERE'S AN EVEN THE MORE SO THEOLOGY THAT CREEPS 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.400 INTO YOUR LIFE WHERE, 00:35:54.500 --> 00:35:56.267 YEAH, SOME PEOPLE PRAY, BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING 00:35:56.367 --> 00:35:58.600 TO JESUS COMING, EVEN THE MORE SO. 00:35:58.700 --> 00:36:00.567 SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TREAT PEOPLE GOOD. 00:36:00.667 --> 00:36:03.133 BUT IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS COMING EVEN THE MORE SO. 00:36:03.233 --> 00:36:05.134 YOU KNOW, THAT CREEPS INTO YOUR LIFE, 00:36:05.234 --> 00:36:06.500 WHEN YOU HAVE THE HELMET OF SALVATION ON, 00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:07.267 SO YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 00:36:07.367 --> 00:36:08.200 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:09.500 I MEAN, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE BECAUSE IF 00:36:09.600 --> 00:36:12.500 YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN HE'S RETURNING AND YOU KNOW 00:36:12.600 --> 00:36:14.533 THAT WHEN YOU GO UP TO MEET HIM, 00:36:14.633 --> 00:36:15.634 YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE AN ACCOUNTABILITY 00:36:15.734 --> 00:36:16.900 OF YOUR LIFE. 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.667 THEN THAT WOULD TOTALLY PUT YOU TO BE BEHAVING CORRECTLY. 00:36:19.767 --> 00:36:20.933 AND I LOVE IT TOO BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU 00:36:21.033 --> 00:36:22.100 DON'T KNOW IF HE'S COMING TOMORROW. 00:36:22.200 --> 00:36:23.133 YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S COMING FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. 00:36:23.233 --> 00:36:25.833 SO THERE'S THIS WAY TO LIVE YOUR LIFE IN WISDOM 00:36:25.933 --> 00:36:27.267 THAT YOU'RE PREPARED TODAY. 00:36:27.367 --> 00:36:28.733 YOU'RE GOING TO BE PREPARED, 00:36:28.833 --> 00:36:30.467 YOU'RE PREPARING FOR A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW. 00:36:30.567 --> 00:36:31.833 YOU'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO THROW EVERYTHING 00:36:31.933 --> 00:36:34.000 IN BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO TRY TO GUESS THE TIME. 00:36:34.100 --> 00:36:35.200 ALAN: OH, YEAH, STAY AWAY FROM THAT. 00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:35.834 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:36:35.934 --> 00:36:37.000 NO, YOU KNOW, 00:36:37.100 --> 00:36:38.800 OH, IT'S GOING TO BE OR THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO 00:36:38.900 --> 00:36:39.800 BE IN THIS YEAR. 00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:42.034 THEY CAN THROW OUT A YEAR, BUT THAT'S NOT, 00:36:42.134 --> 00:36:43.034 THAT'S NOT WHAT THE FOCUS SHOULD BE. 00:36:43.134 --> 00:36:44.967 IT'S ABOUT LIVING A LIFE PLEASING TO HIM 00:36:45.067 --> 00:36:46.900 AND KEEPING OUR HOPE IN. 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.400 OKAY, IT'S REALLY ALWAYS ABOUT LIKE WHERE IS YOUR FOCUS. 00:36:50.500 --> 00:36:51.600 BECAUSE WHEREVER YOUR FOCUS IS 00:36:51.700 --> 00:36:53.666 THAT'S WHERE YOUR ENERGY WILL FLOW TO. 00:36:53.766 --> 00:36:56.633 SO IS YOUR FOCUS ON JESUS OR IS YOUR FOCUS ON WHAT 00:36:56.733 --> 00:36:58.233 YOU WANT AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? 00:36:58.333 --> 00:36:59.433 ALAN: THAT'S SO GOOD. 00:36:59.533 --> 00:37:01.634 REBECCA: SO YEAH, 00:37:01.734 --> 00:37:04.034 I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER SEVEN BECAUSE IT'S 00:37:04.134 --> 00:37:06.500 MENTIONED ALL THROUGHOUT THE BOOK OF REVELATION, 00:37:06.600 --> 00:37:08.200 BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A PURPOSE IN THAT. 00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:09.533 ALAN: YES, THERE'S A CHAPTER IN THE BOOK CALLED THE 00:37:09.633 --> 00:37:12.167 SECRET OF THE SEVENS BECAUSE WE TEND TO FOCUS 00:37:12.267 --> 00:37:13.100 ON THE NEGATIVE. 00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:14.533 REBECCA: THE 666. 00:37:14.633 --> 00:37:15.600 ALAN: 666. 00:37:15.700 --> 00:37:17.033 REBECCA: AND IT'S LIKE WE SEE 666 EVERYWHERE. 00:37:17.133 --> 00:37:18.800 ALAN: AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE LIES THAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT 00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:20.367 THE RAPTURE IS IF YOU BELIEVE IN 00:37:20.467 --> 00:37:21.600 A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE, 00:37:21.700 --> 00:37:24.500 YOU WILL ACCIDENTALLY TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. 00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:25.733 REBECCA: REALLY? 00:37:25.833 --> 00:37:27.600 ALAN: BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST BECAUSE 00:37:27.700 --> 00:37:29.900 WE'RE STILL HERE WHICH IS THE SILLIEST. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.933 REBECCA: YES, AND THEN PEOPLE ALSO SAY LIKE 00:37:32.033 --> 00:37:33.000 THIS IS THE MARK. 00:37:33.100 --> 00:37:34.867 I'M LIKE, NO, YOU WILL KNOW WHAT THE MARK IS. 00:37:34.967 --> 00:37:36.200 ALAN: YEAH, THANK YOU. 00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:38.634 REBECCA: IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE A WHOOPS, GOTCHA, 00:37:38.734 --> 00:37:39.433 LIKE NO. 00:37:39.533 --> 00:37:40.233 ALAN: THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK 00:37:40.333 --> 00:37:41.300 THAT IT'LL BE A WHOOPS, GOTCHA. 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:42.400 NO, IT'S AN INTENTIONAL THING. 00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:43.600 LIKE WHEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST COMES... 00:37:43.700 --> 00:37:44.500 REBECCA: YOU'RE TAKING IT. 00:37:44.600 --> 00:37:45.600 ALAN: YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION, 00:37:45.700 --> 00:37:47.334 SERVE GOD OR SERVE THE ANTICHRIST. 00:37:47.434 --> 00:37:48.367 SO NO ONE'S GOING TO GET IT ACCIDENTALLY. 00:37:48.467 --> 00:37:50.566 SO I'M GLAD YOU, GLAD YOU SAID THAT, 00:37:50.666 --> 00:37:53.067 BUT THE MOST TALKED ABOUT SUBJECT IN THE ENTIRE BOOK 00:37:53.167 --> 00:37:55.300 OF REVELATION IS NOT JESUS. 00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:56.800 IT'S NOT THE ANTICHRIST. 00:37:56.900 --> 00:37:58.000 IT'S NOT THE FALSE PROPHET, 00:37:58.100 --> 00:37:59.500 IT'S THE NUMBER SEVEN. 00:37:59.600 --> 00:38:01.500 THE NUMBER ONE SUBJECT, IF YOU READ IT, IN FACT, SOME 00:38:01.600 --> 00:38:03.334 HAVE SAID YOU CAN'T EVEN COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES 00:38:03.434 --> 00:38:04.133 SEVEN IS USED. 00:38:04.233 --> 00:38:05.467 IT'S JUST SO MUCH EVERY TIME -- 00:38:05.567 --> 00:38:06.733 REBECCA: YES, EVERYTHING IS A SEVEN. 00:38:06.833 --> 00:38:07.600 ALAN: YES, EVERY TIME 00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:08.233 YOU THINK YOU FOUND ALL OF THEM, 00:38:08.333 --> 00:38:09.334 YOU'LL FIND ANOTHER ONE, 00:38:09.434 --> 00:38:10.500 ANOTHER SEVEN. 00:38:10.600 --> 00:38:11.167 REBECCA: I'M GONNA GO STUDY THIS, SO INTERESTING. 00:38:11.267 --> 00:38:12.000 ALAN: YEAH, IT'S WILD. 00:38:12.100 --> 00:38:13.333 SO THAT MEANS IF YOU UNDERSTAND 00:38:13.433 --> 00:38:14.067 THE NUMBER SEVEN, 00:38:14.167 --> 00:38:15.433 YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THE BOOK. 00:38:15.533 --> 00:38:16.500 AND EVERYBODY HAS STAYED 00:38:16.600 --> 00:38:18.234 AWAY FROM THE BOOK OF REVELATION FOR TOO LONG. 00:38:18.334 --> 00:38:20.734 CAN YOU IMAGINE READING A NOVEL AND STOPPING AT THE 00:38:20.834 --> 00:38:23.833 LAST CHAPTER OR WATCHING A MOVIE AND STOPPING -- 00:38:23.933 --> 00:38:24.800 REBECCA: THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:26.067 THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. 00:38:26.167 --> 00:38:27.933 ALAN: EVERYBODY, BUT EVERYBODY NOBODY READS IT 00:38:28.033 --> 00:38:29.167 BECAUSE THEY THINK THERE'S NO WAY 00:38:29.267 --> 00:38:29.967 I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. 00:38:30.067 --> 00:38:31.167 REBECCA: I KNOW. 00:38:31.267 --> 00:38:33.000 ALAN: IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FUTURE AND IT'S ALL TYPOLOGY. 00:38:33.100 --> 00:38:34.634 AND THERE'S TYPOLOGY IN THERE. 00:38:34.734 --> 00:38:36.500 BUT WHENEVER YOU SEE LIKE SEVEN HEADS 00:38:36.600 --> 00:38:38.167 AND SEVEN HORNS LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 00:38:38.267 --> 00:38:39.766 WELL, IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER SEVEN, 00:38:39.866 --> 00:38:43.933 NUMBER SEVEN MEANS DIVINE PERFECTION AND COMPLETION. 00:38:44.033 --> 00:38:46.533 AND SO EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T FULLY GRASP WHAT SEVEN 00:38:46.633 --> 00:38:48.367 HEADS MEANS OR WHATEVER. 00:38:48.467 --> 00:38:50.033 JUST KNOW, HERE'S WHAT IT MEANS. 00:38:50.133 --> 00:38:52.267 JESUS IS GOING TO FULFILL HIS WORD AND DO WHAT HE 00:38:52.367 --> 00:38:53.566 SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO. 00:38:53.666 --> 00:38:55.900 HE IS FINISHING HIS WORK AND IT'S FINALLY GOING TO 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.033 BE COMPLETED AND WE GET TO SEE HIM. 00:38:58.133 --> 00:38:59.900 THE MOST GLORIOUS CHAPTERS, 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.067 THE LAST TWO CHAPTERS OF REVELATION, 00:39:01.167 --> 00:39:02.900 REBECCA: AH, I LOVE THEM SO MUCH. 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.367 ALAN: NOTHING TRIGGERS THE IMAGINATION 00:39:04.467 --> 00:39:05.667 LIKE THOSE LAST TWO CHAPTERS. 00:39:05.767 --> 00:39:06.500 REBECCA: ISN'T IT EXCITING? 00:39:06.600 --> 00:39:07.000 ALAN: WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? 00:39:07.100 --> 00:39:08.234 REBECCA: I KNOW. 00:39:08.334 --> 00:39:08.867 ALAN: SO YEAH, 00:39:08.967 --> 00:39:09.467 DON'T BE SCARED OF IT. 00:39:09.567 --> 00:39:10.300 READ THE BOOK. 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.100 SEE THE ENDING. 00:39:11.200 --> 00:39:12.900 SEE HOW WE WIN. 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:14.267 REBECCA: OH, AND YOU KNOW WHAT TOO? 00:39:14.367 --> 00:39:15.800 WHAT I LOVE IN THE -- 00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:17.100 I LOVE THAT WHOLE, 00:39:17.200 --> 00:39:19.767 UM, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT BEHOLD AND MAKING ALL THINGS NEW. 00:39:19.867 --> 00:39:21.233 IT TALKS ABOUT LIKE THE CITY OF GOD. 00:39:21.333 --> 00:39:22.600 IT TALKS ABOUT THE RIVER OF GOD, 00:39:22.700 --> 00:39:24.733 THE TREES WITH THE LEAVES THAT HEALED THE NATIONS. 00:39:24.833 --> 00:39:26.133 IT'S LIKE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CHAPTER. 00:39:26.233 --> 00:39:28.734 HE'S LIKE I WILL WIPE EVERY TEAR FROM THEIR EYES. 00:39:28.834 --> 00:39:30.600 GOD IS IN THE MIDST AND MY PEOPLE. 00:39:30.700 --> 00:39:31.267 I'M WITH MY PEOPLE. 00:39:31.367 --> 00:39:32.334 IT'S JUST, 00:39:32.434 --> 00:39:33.234 OH, I LOVE IT. 00:39:33.334 --> 00:39:34.433 IF YOU WANT HOPE, READ THAT CHAPTER. 00:39:34.533 --> 00:39:36.366 BUT ONE THING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT I JUST 00:39:36.466 --> 00:39:38.867 FOUND OUT ABOUT IS AND IT ALWAYS CONFUSED ME. 00:39:38.967 --> 00:39:40.767 IT WAS LIKE THERE IS NO SEA. 00:39:40.867 --> 00:39:41.500 AND I WAS ALWAYS LIKE 00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:42.334 I LIKE THE SEA. 00:39:42.434 --> 00:39:43.266 WHY IS THERE NO SEA? 00:39:43.366 --> 00:39:44.767 LIKE I WAS LIKE THIS ISN'T ABOUT WATER. 00:39:44.867 --> 00:39:47.467 BUT WHAT I BEGAN TO LEARN IN GENESIS, 00:39:47.567 --> 00:39:49.267 THERE'S THIS CONCEPT OF THE WATERS. 00:39:49.367 --> 00:39:49.934 LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS 00:39:50.034 --> 00:39:50.833 OVER THE WATERS. 00:39:50.933 --> 00:39:51.733 AND THERE'S THIS WHOLE 00:39:51.833 --> 00:39:54.267 CONCEPT ABOUT THIS SEA. 00:39:54.367 --> 00:39:55.500 BECAUSE BACK THEN IN THEIR 00:39:55.600 --> 00:39:57.267 BELIEF SYSTEM THE SEA KIND OF REPRESENTED 00:39:57.367 --> 00:39:59.267 LIKE CHAOS AND THE UNKNOWN. 00:39:59.367 --> 00:40:01.400 SO IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE SEA LIKE 00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.500 THE PHYSICAL WATER. 00:40:02.600 --> 00:40:04.233 IT'S TALKING ABOUT THIS CHAOS THAT WAS IN THE 00:40:04.333 --> 00:40:05.734 BEGINNING OF TIME WHERE GOD BRINGS ORDER 00:40:05.834 --> 00:40:06.700 TO ALL OF THAT. 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:07.733 ALAN: YES. 00:40:07.833 --> 00:40:09.067 REBECCA: THAT CHAOS THAT THE ENEMY STIRS UP, 00:40:09.167 --> 00:40:11.200 AND YOU SEE THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, TYPOLOGY WITH LIKE 00:40:11.300 --> 00:40:14.433 LEVIATHAN AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT THERE IS -- THAT'S 00:40:14.533 --> 00:40:16.800 WHAT THAT SEA THING IS TALKING ABOUT. 00:40:16.900 --> 00:40:19.367 IT'S TALKING MORE ABOUT THAT CHAOS AND THE -- 00:40:19.467 --> 00:40:20.133 ALAN: AND THE UNKNOWN. 00:40:20.233 --> 00:40:21.100 REBECCA: THE UNKNOWN. 00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:22.500 ALAN: AND THERE IS GOING TO BE NO UNKNOWN. 00:40:22.600 --> 00:40:23.000 REBECCA: EXACTLY. 00:40:23.100 --> 00:40:24.033 ALAN: ANY LONGER. 00:40:24.133 --> 00:40:24.800 REBECCA: SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S NOT GOING 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:25.900 TO BE NO WATER, 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:27.767 IT'S JUST THERE'S NOT ALL OF THAT THAT CHAOS IS 00:40:27.867 --> 00:40:29.066 COMPLETELY DONE AWAY WITH, 00:40:29.166 --> 00:40:31.234 THAT THE ENEMY IS OPERATING IN TO BRING DESTRUCTION 00:40:31.334 --> 00:40:32.200 IN THE WORLD. 00:40:32.300 --> 00:40:33.334 GOD DEALS WITH IT AND HE WILL NO LONGER 00:40:33.434 --> 00:40:33.967 HAVE ANY REIGN. 00:40:34.067 --> 00:40:34.900 ALAN: THAT'S SO GOOD. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:36.600 REBECCA: I KNOW, BUT I WAS LIKE, WOW, 00:40:36.700 --> 00:40:38.234 BECAUSE EVEN THE BEGINNING WHERE IT'S LIKE THE HOLY 00:40:38.334 --> 00:40:39.534 SPIRIT IS OVER THE WATERS, 00:40:39.634 --> 00:40:40.567 YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE, 00:40:40.667 --> 00:40:41.766 IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GRASP AND UNDERSTAND. 00:40:41.866 --> 00:40:42.933 ALAN: AND IT'S BELIEVED THAT THERE WAS A LIKE 00:40:43.033 --> 00:40:44.100 A JUDGEMENT THAT CAME. 00:40:44.200 --> 00:40:45.434 THE REASON THE WATERS WERE LIKE THAT WERE BECAUSE OF 00:40:45.534 --> 00:40:47.767 A -- SOME KIND OF JUDGMENT THAT CAME FROM THE FALL OF SATAN. 00:40:47.867 --> 00:40:48.700 REBECCA: YES. 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:50.700 THERE WAS STUFF GOING ON EVEN THEN. 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.433 SO IT'S ALL SO INTERESTING. 00:40:52.533 --> 00:40:53.500 THAT WOULD BE LIKE A WHOLE OTHER OFF 00:40:53.566 --> 00:40:54.800 TOPIC ABOUT THE SONS OF GOD AND ALL THAT STUFF. 00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:55.700 ALAN: EVERYBODY LOVES TALKING ABOUT 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:56.800 THE END TIMES STUFF. 00:40:56.900 --> 00:40:58.434 THIS IS WHY PEOPLE WANT TO READ BOOKS LIKE THIS. 00:40:58.534 --> 00:40:59.267 REBECCA: YES. 00:40:59.367 --> 00:40:59.900 ALAN: IF YOU GET INFORMED ON THIS, 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:00.900 YOU CAN TALK TO ANYBODY. 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.567 YOU CAN EVANGELIZE TO ANYBODY BECAUSE 00:41:02.667 --> 00:41:03.400 THEY'RE ALL INTERESTED. 00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:04.433 REBECCA: SO MANY PEOPLE GET SAVED. 00:41:04.533 --> 00:41:05.700 ALAN: YES. 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.466 REBECCA: DO YOU THINK THOUGH LIKE JUST PERSONAL OPINION, 00:41:07.566 --> 00:41:10.600 DO YOU THINK IT'S WISDOM FOR PEOPLE TO BE LIKE 00:41:10.700 --> 00:41:12.867 I THINK THIS PERSON'S GONNA BE THE ANTICHRIST. 00:41:12.967 --> 00:41:13.467 I THINK THIS PERSON -- 00:41:13.567 --> 00:41:14.567 YOU KNOW PEOPLE SAY, 00:41:14.667 --> 00:41:16.567 OH, THIS THE POPE IS THE FALSE, PROPHET, YOU KNOW. 00:41:16.667 --> 00:41:18.167 ALAN: WELL... 00:41:18.267 --> 00:41:19.867 REBECCA: I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CONFIRM OR DENY THAT, 00:41:19.967 --> 00:41:21.467 I'M JUST SAYING IS THERE -- 00:41:21.567 --> 00:41:22.500 WHERE DO, 00:41:22.600 --> 00:41:23.800 WHERE DOES THE CHURCH GET OFF ON THE KIND 00:41:23.900 --> 00:41:24.734 OF THE END TIME STUFF? 00:41:24.834 --> 00:41:26.467 ALAN: YEAH, IT'S FUN TO SPECULATE. 00:41:26.567 --> 00:41:27.866 REBECCA: YEAH, IT IS. 00:41:27.966 --> 00:41:28.867 ALAN: BECAUSE THERE'S SOME INTERESTING 00:41:28.967 --> 00:41:29.800 CHARACTERS OUT THERE. 00:41:29.900 --> 00:41:30.900 SOME INTERESTING PROSPECTS 00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.400 FOR ALL THESE THINGS. 00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:34.100 BUT YOU NEVER WANT TO GO TOO DEEP INTO THAT 00:41:34.200 --> 00:41:35.667 AND YOU NEVER WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH STOCK INTO IT. 00:41:35.767 --> 00:41:37.467 SO IT'S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT IT AND SAY WHAT 00:41:37.567 --> 00:41:38.866 ABOUT THIS MACRON GUY? 00:41:38.966 --> 00:41:40.300 HE'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING CHARACTER. 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:41.667 HE'S KIND OF GOT A JEWISH BACKGROUND, 00:41:41.767 --> 00:41:43.500 AN ASSYRIAN BACKGROUND AND KIND OF WEIRD. 00:41:43.600 --> 00:41:45.767 AND WHAT ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO RIDES THE BEAST? 00:41:45.867 --> 00:41:47.200 IS THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH? 00:41:47.300 --> 00:41:49.233 WHAT ARE WE -- SHE DRINKS THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS. 00:41:49.333 --> 00:41:50.366 WHAT ARE WE DEALING WITH HERE? 00:41:50.466 --> 00:41:52.200 IT'S VERY INTERESTING AND IT'S GOOD TO KIND OF DIVE 00:41:52.300 --> 00:41:54.400 INTO IT, BUT DON'T GET HYSTERICAL. 00:41:54.500 --> 00:41:56.367 WHAT YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON IS WHAT WE DO KNOW. 00:41:56.467 --> 00:41:58.900 JESUS IS COMING FOR US AND WE WON'T KNOW THE ANSWER 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.033 TO THOSE QUESTIONS. 00:42:00.133 --> 00:42:01.667 WE WON'T RECEIVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. 00:42:01.767 --> 00:42:03.567 WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE ANTICHRIST BECAUSE HE 00:42:03.667 --> 00:42:06.467 CANNOT BE REVEALED WHILE WE'RE HERE. 00:42:06.567 --> 00:42:07.400 AND SO JUST KEEP YOUR MIND 00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:08.733 FOCUSED ON THOSE THINGS AND DON'T GO 00:42:08.833 --> 00:42:10.566 TOO FAR DOWN THE CONSPIRACY RABBIT HOLE. 00:42:10.666 --> 00:42:12.334 REBECCA: YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'LL GET SUCKED UP IN THAT 00:42:12.434 --> 00:42:13.567 AND THEN YOU CAN GET OFF. 00:42:13.667 --> 00:42:14.933 THAT'S WHY I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE LIKE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE 00:42:15.033 --> 00:42:16.900 GROUNDED IN THE WORD AND IF IT DOESN'T LINE UP, 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:17.733 IT'S LIKE KICK THAT OUT. 00:42:17.833 --> 00:42:18.234 ALAN: YEAH. 00:42:18.334 --> 00:42:18.967 I TRY TO PUT, 00:42:19.067 --> 00:42:20.000 THERE'S, WELL, I DIDN'T TRY. 00:42:20.100 --> 00:42:21.767 I PUT A GLOSSARY IN THE BACK OF THIS BOOK. 00:42:21.867 --> 00:42:23.334 SO YOU CAN JUST LOOK UP DIFFERENT END-TIME TERMS. 00:42:23.434 --> 00:42:25.500 IF YOU'RE WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOG AND MAGOG 00:42:25.600 --> 00:42:29.034 AND WHAT ARE THE SEVEN YEARS OF TRIBULATION, 00:42:29.134 --> 00:42:30.133 ALL THAT STUFF. 00:42:30.233 --> 00:42:31.634 YOU CAN JUST LOOK IT UP ALPHABETICALLY AND SEE 00:42:31.734 --> 00:42:33.734 WHAT THE WORD HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT. 00:42:33.834 --> 00:42:37.300 REBECCA: WHAT IS THIS BELIEF IN THE CHURCH THAT WE ALREADY 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.467 LIVED THE MILLENNIAL REIGN OF CHRIST? 00:42:39.567 --> 00:42:40.400 ALAN: ISN'T THAT WEIRD? 00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:42.600 REBECCA: YES, I WAS CONFUSED BY THAT. 00:42:42.700 --> 00:42:44.633 ALAN: SO THERE'S THIS BELIEF THAT ALL THE PROPHECIES 00:42:44.733 --> 00:42:46.100 HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED. 00:42:46.200 --> 00:42:47.467 REBECCA: WHICH I'M LIKE -- 00:42:47.567 --> 00:42:50.100 BUT THIS -- IT'S ACTUALLY ISN'T IT A POPULAR TRAIN OF THOUGHT? 00:42:50.200 --> 00:42:51.767 ALAN: IT IS BECOMING EVEN MORE POPULAR. 00:42:51.867 --> 00:42:52.667 REBECCA: YES. 00:42:52.767 --> 00:42:53.567 ALAN: IT IS GAINING IN POPULARITY. 00:42:53.667 --> 00:42:55.100 REBECCA: WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? 00:42:55.200 --> 00:42:55.700 ALAN: WELL -- 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:56.900 REBECCA: DECEPTION? 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:58.934 ALAN: YEAH, BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAID IN THE LAST DAYS, 00:42:59.034 --> 00:43:01.667 THERE WOULD RISE SCOFFERS SAYING WHERE IS THE 00:43:01.767 --> 00:43:02.800 PROMISE OF HIS COMING? 00:43:02.900 --> 00:43:03.867 EVERY GENERATION HAS SAID 00:43:03.967 --> 00:43:04.700 THEY ARE THE GENERATION. 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:05.933 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT PREVIOUSLY. 00:43:06.033 --> 00:43:07.134 HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT? 00:43:07.234 --> 00:43:08.133 EVERY GENERATION HAS SAID 00:43:08.233 --> 00:43:09.300 THEY'RE THE GENERATION. 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:10.066 AND MY RESPONSE 00:43:10.166 --> 00:43:11.633 IS YOU'RE RIGHT, EXCEPT YOU. 00:43:11.733 --> 00:43:12.600 REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT NOAH HEARD WHEN 00:43:12.700 --> 00:43:14.533 HE WAS BUILDING THE ARK, BUT HE WAS RIGHT. 00:43:14.633 --> 00:43:15.200 ALAN: OH, YEAH, HE WAS RIGHT. 00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:16.200 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:16.700 ALAN: SOME GENERATION IS GOING TO BE RIGHT. 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:17.300 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:18.366 ALAN: UM, BUT YEAH, 00:43:18.466 --> 00:43:20.167 WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY LOST THE CONCEPT OF IMPENDING 00:43:20.267 --> 00:43:22.200 JUDGEMENT THAT JESUS COULD RETURN AND WE DON'T 00:43:22.300 --> 00:43:23.533 RECOGNIZE THAT THE DAYS WITH THE LORD IS A 00:43:23.633 --> 00:43:25.733 THOUSAND YEARS AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS A DAY. 00:43:25.833 --> 00:43:29.000 NOW HOW THIS GAINED PROMINENCE HISTORICALLY 00:43:29.100 --> 00:43:30.933 WAS THAT ISRAEL WAS DESTROYED. 00:43:31.033 --> 00:43:33.133 SO THEY BEGAN TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE PASSAGES. 00:43:33.233 --> 00:43:34.900 NO NATION HAS EVER BEEN DESTROYED AND CAME BACK AGAIN. 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.000 THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. 00:43:36.100 --> 00:43:37.967 SO THESE MUST BE ALLEGORY. 00:43:38.067 --> 00:43:41.767 THEY CAN'T BE LITERAL UNTIL MAY THE 15TH, 1948. 00:43:41.867 --> 00:43:42.933 AND LITERALLY IN A DAY 00:43:43.033 --> 00:43:45.200 ISRAEL BECOMES A NATION AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 00:43:45.300 --> 00:43:46.434 A PIVOT POINT. 00:43:46.534 --> 00:43:47.567 BUT I DON'T THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN 00:43:47.667 --> 00:43:50.066 THE MEMO FOR SOME REASON AND RECOGNIZED THAT. 00:43:50.166 --> 00:43:52.634 REBECCA: THAT ACTUALLY FLOWS INTO MY NEXT QUESTION. 00:43:52.734 --> 00:43:55.366 WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE WITH STUDYING END-TIME THEOLOGY? 00:43:55.466 --> 00:43:58.000 HOW SHOULD THE CHURCH'S POSITION BE IN RELATION TO 00:43:58.100 --> 00:44:01.300 ISRAEL BECAUSE ISRAEL IS SUCH A CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC. 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.400 AND I THINK A LOT OF CHRISTIANS JUST KIND OF 00:44:03.500 --> 00:44:05.834 LIKE PEOPLE GET SHY WITH LIKE THE RAPTURE, 00:44:05.934 --> 00:44:07.767 CHRISTIANS GET SHY WITH ISRAEL BECAUSE THE WORLD 00:44:07.867 --> 00:44:09.300 HATES ISRAEL SO MUCH. 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:10.934 ALAN: I'VE NEVER SEEN THE CHURCH SO CONFUSED 00:44:11.034 --> 00:44:12.033 ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. 00:44:12.133 --> 00:44:12.867 REBECCA: SO CONFUSED. 00:44:12.967 --> 00:44:14.100 ALAN: RIGHT NOW. 00:44:14.200 --> 00:44:16.333 REBECCA: THERE'S EVEN CHRISTIANS WHO THINK ISRAEL IS EVIL. 00:44:16.433 --> 00:44:17.500 ALAN: YES. 00:44:17.600 --> 00:44:19.766 WELL, THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN RED-PILLED. 00:44:19.866 --> 00:44:21.667 AND YOU KNOW THE WHOLE RED PILL SCENARIO THAT WE'VE BEEN 00:44:21.767 --> 00:44:23.200 THROUGH THE LAST DECADE. 00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:24.300 REBECCA: YES. 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:25.400 ALAN: AND THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TAKE 00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:27.367 ONE OF THOSE RED PILLS, NOT THE WHOLE BOTTLE, 00:44:27.467 --> 00:44:29.933 AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN OVERDOSING ON RED PILLS. 00:44:30.033 --> 00:44:32.633 AND SO WHEN YOU BEGIN TO PULL THE VEIL BACK AND YOU 00:44:32.733 --> 00:44:34.667 SEE HOW WICKED LIKE THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, 00:44:34.767 --> 00:44:36.000 THE THINGS THAT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT 00:44:36.100 --> 00:44:37.700 HAS DONE IS HORRENDOUS. 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:39.834 IT WOULD BLOW YOUR MIND. 00:44:39.934 --> 00:44:40.867 AND WITHOUT BALANCE AND A 00:44:40.967 --> 00:44:41.934 FOUNDATION IN THE WORD, 00:44:42.034 --> 00:44:44.100 YOU WOULD COMPLETELY LOSE FAITH IN THE SOCIETY 00:44:44.200 --> 00:44:44.833 YOU'RE LIVING IN. 00:44:44.933 --> 00:44:45.766 REBECCA: LOSS OF HOPE. 00:44:45.866 --> 00:44:46.967 ALAN: YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 00:44:47.067 --> 00:44:48.933 WELL, THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL. 00:44:49.033 --> 00:44:51.633 THE KNESSET IS NOT A RIGHTEOUS GOVERNMENT. 00:44:51.733 --> 00:44:52.734 I MEAN, WE'RE DEALING WITH A GOVERNMENT THAT 00:44:52.834 --> 00:44:55.266 HAS DONE HORRIFIC THINGS. 00:44:55.366 --> 00:44:56.667 SO PEOPLE ARE BEING RED-PILLED TO THAT 00:44:56.767 --> 00:44:59.200 AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DECIPHER OR DISCERN 00:44:59.300 --> 00:45:02.967 THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND THE NATION 00:45:03.067 --> 00:45:05.134 AND THE PEOPLE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE AS A WHOLE. 00:45:05.234 --> 00:45:07.467 AND SO AS BELIEVERS, WE SHOULD APPROACH IT LIKE THIS. 00:45:07.567 --> 00:45:09.633 THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT AND THAT CORRUPTION NEEDS 00:45:09.733 --> 00:45:12.034 TO BE EXPOSED AND WE NEED TO BE OKAY WITH THAT. 00:45:12.134 --> 00:45:13.367 WE'RE GENERALLY ALL OR NOTHING, 00:45:13.467 --> 00:45:14.467 YOU KNOW, IN THE CHURCH. 00:45:14.567 --> 00:45:15.600 BUT IT'S OKAY TO SAY, 00:45:15.700 --> 00:45:17.566 OKAY, THAT'S THERE'S SOME MESSED UP THINGS GOING ON 00:45:17.666 --> 00:45:20.800 OVER HERE, BUT GOD LOVES HIS NATION AND GOD LOVES 00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:22.867 HIS PEOPLE AND HE WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS 00:45:22.967 --> 00:45:25.100 ISRAEL AND HE WILL CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE ISRAEL. 00:45:25.200 --> 00:45:28.600 SO THERE'S A BALANCE TO BE HAD WHEN HAVING THIS 00:45:28.700 --> 00:45:32.300 CONVERSATION, BUT THE ANTI-SEMITISM IS ON SUCH 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:33.133 A RISE RIGHT NOW. 00:45:33.233 --> 00:45:34.700 I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:35.933 REBECCA: ISN'T THAT CRAZY? 00:45:36.033 --> 00:45:37.267 ALAN: IT'S BECAUSE OF THE RED-PILLED GENERATION BECAUSE 00:45:37.367 --> 00:45:39.833 WE'RE DISCOVERING IN THE SAME WAY IN THE 60S, 00:45:39.933 --> 00:45:42.167 THERE WAS THIS REBEL, THIS ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT. 00:45:42.267 --> 00:45:44.100 AND NOW ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE WAR HAWKS. 00:45:44.200 --> 00:45:44.966 THEY WANT TO GO TO WAR. 00:45:45.066 --> 00:45:46.267 THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE IN 00:45:46.367 --> 00:45:47.467 THE 60S MOVEMENT ARE NOW WANT TO HAVE WAR WITH EVERYBODY. 00:45:47.567 --> 00:45:48.134 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:45:48.234 --> 00:45:49.166 ALAN: SO WE'VE KIND OF -- 00:45:49.266 --> 00:45:50.100 THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG AND 00:45:50.200 --> 00:45:52.100 AND THEY'VE OVERDOSED ON RED PILLS. 00:45:52.200 --> 00:45:53.266 AND AS A RESULT, 00:45:53.366 --> 00:45:55.633 THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE THERE'S UNCOVERING HOW BAD 00:45:55.733 --> 00:45:56.400 CERTAIN GOVERNMENTS ARE. 00:45:56.500 --> 00:45:58.000 AND IT'S TRUE, THEY ARE BAD, 00:45:58.100 --> 00:46:00.533 BUT THE PEOPLE AND THE PURPOSE OF THE NATION 00:46:00.633 --> 00:46:02.700 IN THE MIND OF GOD IS UNCHANGED. 00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:03.766 REBECCA: EXACTLY. 00:46:03.866 --> 00:46:05.167 ALAN: SO THAT'S WHY WE STAY ROOTED IN THE WORD. 00:46:05.267 --> 00:46:07.400 REBECCA: EXACTLY AND HIS PROMISES AND HIS COVENANTS 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:09.133 ARE STILL IN PLAY. 00:46:09.233 --> 00:46:10.300 ALAN: YES. 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.467 REBECCA: THEY DON'T GO AWAY AND THAT IS GOD'S LAND 00:46:12.567 --> 00:46:13.267 FOR HIS PEOPLE. 00:46:13.367 --> 00:46:14.333 ALAN: YES. 00:46:14.433 --> 00:46:14.934 REBECCA: YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK 00:46:15.034 --> 00:46:16.234 ABOUT POLITICS-WISE, 00:46:16.334 --> 00:46:18.400 THAT'S UNCHANGEABLE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE WORD OF GOD. 00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:19.500 ALAN: IT IS WICKED, THAT'S WHY 00:46:19.600 --> 00:46:21.533 THERE'S SEVEN YEARS OF TRIBULATION. 00:46:21.633 --> 00:46:23.300 THERE'S JUDGMENT COMING ON THAT NATION FOR REJECTING 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.633 THE MESSIAH AND FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE. 00:46:25.733 --> 00:46:27.833 AND THAT'S JUDGMENT COMING TO ALL OF US WHO 00:46:27.933 --> 00:46:30.367 DON'T TRUST IN JESUS FOR ALL THE THINGS WE'VE DONE. 00:46:30.467 --> 00:46:32.367 SO THEY'RE NOT SPECIAL IN THAT, IN THAT SENSE, 00:46:32.467 --> 00:46:34.500 BUT, BUT IT'S OKAY TO RECOGNIZE THAT 00:46:34.600 --> 00:46:37.500 AND RECOGNIZE GOD WILL KEEP HIS PROMISE AND HE'S GOING 00:46:37.600 --> 00:46:38.766 TO SAVE THAT NATION. 00:46:38.866 --> 00:46:40.733 HE'S GOING TO SAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE 12 00:46:40.833 --> 00:46:41.833 TRIBES WILL BE RESTORED. 00:46:41.933 --> 00:46:43.067 AND THERE'S GOING TO BE 00:46:43.167 --> 00:46:44.434 A MIGHTY KINGDOM SET UP AND JESUS IS GOING TO MAKE HIS 00:46:44.534 --> 00:46:46.067 THRONE AND HIS THRONE IS NOT GOING TO BE 00:46:46.167 --> 00:46:47.266 REGRETTABLY IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 00:46:47.366 --> 00:46:48.233 REBECCA: NO. 00:46:48.333 --> 00:46:49.233 ALAN: AS MUCH AS I LOVE DALLAS, TEXAS, 00:46:49.333 --> 00:46:50.566 IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE IN JERUSALEM, 00:46:50.666 --> 00:46:51.834 BECAUSE HE LOVES THAT NATION. 00:46:51.934 --> 00:46:52.734 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:46:52.834 --> 00:46:54.033 AND WHEN HE COMES BACK TO THE WORLD, 00:46:54.133 --> 00:46:57.334 HE LANDS ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES AND SETS UP THERE. 00:46:57.434 --> 00:46:58.500 ALAN: COME ON. 00:46:58.600 --> 00:46:59.700 REBECCA: AND THAT'S WHERE THE THOUSAND-YEAR REIGN 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:01.467 WHICH IT'S HARD FOR ME TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE THAT. 00:47:01.567 --> 00:47:02.567 ALAN: WE GET TO BE A PART OF THAT. 00:47:02.667 --> 00:47:03.700 YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO RULE AND REIGN WITH HIM 00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:05.100 FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. 00:47:05.200 --> 00:47:07.634 WE'LL BE THE ONLY ONES WITH GLORIFIED BODIES. 00:47:07.734 --> 00:47:08.367 REBECCA: REALLY? 00:47:08.467 --> 00:47:09.566 ALAN: YOU KNOW BECAUSE, YES, 00:47:09.666 --> 00:47:12.066 BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO SURVIVE THE TRIBULATION 00:47:12.166 --> 00:47:14.534 AND WHO HAVE TRUSTED IN JESUS AND WHO ARE SAVED 00:47:14.634 --> 00:47:16.033 AND COME THROUGH THE JUDGMENT, 00:47:16.133 --> 00:47:18.266 THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MORTAL BODIES 00:47:18.366 --> 00:47:19.566 AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAVING FAMILIES 00:47:19.666 --> 00:47:20.500 AND THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE BIRTH 00:47:20.600 --> 00:47:21.933 TO A WHOLE CIVILIZATION. 00:47:22.033 --> 00:47:23.733 WE'RE GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE RULING AND REIGNING. 00:47:23.833 --> 00:47:25.233 AND CAN YOU IMAGINE WHEN YOU SHOW UP IN A CITY, 00:47:25.333 --> 00:47:27.200 THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE THERE'S ONE OF THEM. 00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:28.100 THAT'S ONE OF THEM RIGHT THERE 00:47:28.200 --> 00:47:29.633 WHO TRUSTED IN JESUS BEFORE. 00:47:29.733 --> 00:47:31.000 THEY'VE GOT THEIR GLORIFIED BODIES. 00:47:31.100 --> 00:47:33.267 I MEAN, WHAT A CRAZY TIME 00:47:33.367 --> 00:47:33.967 THAT'S GOING TO BE. 00:47:34.067 --> 00:47:34.967 REBECCA: I KNOW. 00:47:35.067 --> 00:47:36.733 IT'S HARD TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE AS, YOU KNOW, 00:47:36.833 --> 00:47:40.300 BECAUSE WE HAVE -- OUR MINDS CAN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.466 CONCEPT OF ETERNITY RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW. 00:47:42.566 --> 00:47:45.067 BUT, OH, YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN, OF COURSE THE MILLENNIAL REIGN IS A 00:47:45.167 --> 00:47:47.234 THOUSAND YEARS, BUT THEN ETERNITY AFTER THAT. 00:47:47.334 --> 00:47:48.534 IT'S JUST LIKE WHOA! 00:47:48.634 --> 00:47:50.267 LIKE I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST STARTED STUDYING ESCHATOLOGY, 00:47:50.367 --> 00:47:51.334 I WAS LIKE WHOA! 00:47:51.434 --> 00:47:53.566 THIS IS HARD FOR MY BRAIN TO EVEN LIKE FATHOM. 00:47:53.666 --> 00:47:54.400 UM, THE LAST THING 00:47:54.500 --> 00:47:55.566 I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT IS 00:47:55.666 --> 00:47:57.666 THERE ARE PARALLELS IN SCRIPTURES OR LIKE TYPES 00:47:57.766 --> 00:47:59.934 AND SHADOWS AND FOR THE RAPTURE. 00:48:00.034 --> 00:48:02.234 ONE BEING ABOUT LOT 00:48:02.334 --> 00:48:03.033 CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE? 00:48:03.133 --> 00:48:04.433 I THINK LOT AND NOAH? 00:48:04.533 --> 00:48:06.600 ALAN: NOAH ARE THE TWO THAT JESUS USED. 00:48:06.700 --> 00:48:07.866 WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE END TIMES, 00:48:07.966 --> 00:48:10.434 THOSE WHO REALLY TRY TO COME AGAINST THE PRE-TRIBULATION 00:48:10.534 --> 00:48:13.767 RAPTURE, THEY'LL TRY TO COMPARE THE END TIMES TO MOSES, 00:48:13.867 --> 00:48:15.600 AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL COMING OUT OF EGYPT. 00:48:15.700 --> 00:48:17.300 THE PROBLEM IS WHEN JESUS TALKED ABOUT THE END TIMES, 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:19.767 HE DOESN'T SAY IT'LL BE LIKE THE DAYS OF MOSES. 00:48:19.867 --> 00:48:21.167 HE SAID IT WILL BE LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH, 00:48:21.267 --> 00:48:23.067 AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, AND IT'LL BE LIKE 00:48:23.167 --> 00:48:23.934 THE DAYS OF LOT. 00:48:24.034 --> 00:48:26.533 SO WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THESE TWO? 00:48:26.633 --> 00:48:27.567 BOTH OF THEM 00:48:27.667 --> 00:48:30.900 WERE SUPERNATURALLY TAKEN OUT OF THE PLACE 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.400 AND PRESERVED BEFORE JUDGEMENT FELL. 00:48:33.500 --> 00:48:34.900 STARTING WITH NOAH. 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.866 NOAH WAS TAKEN INTO THE ARK 00:48:36.966 --> 00:48:37.900 AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS, 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:39.767 HE WAS SEALED IN THERE SUPERNATURALLY BY 00:48:39.867 --> 00:48:43.600 GOD FOR SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE RAINS FELL. 00:48:43.700 --> 00:48:44.433 DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? 00:48:44.533 --> 00:48:45.067 REBECCA: OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 00:48:45.167 --> 00:48:46.133 ALAN: YEAH, SEVEN DAYS. 00:48:46.233 --> 00:48:47.367 SO WE'RE GOING TO BE RAPTURED 00:48:47.467 --> 00:48:49.500 AND PRESERVED IN THE ARK OF SAFETY, CHRIST, 00:48:49.600 --> 00:48:51.933 FOR SEVEN YEARS WHILE THE TRIBULATION IS GOING ON. 00:48:52.033 --> 00:48:53.334 SO SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE RAIN FELL, 00:48:53.434 --> 00:48:55.133 NOAH IS TAKEN UP INTO THE ARK. 00:48:55.233 --> 00:48:58.667 BUT NOAH'S GRANDFATHER WAS WALKING THE EARTH. 00:48:58.767 --> 00:49:02.267 HIS NAME WAS ENOCH AND ENOCH WAS RAPTURED BEFORE 00:49:02.367 --> 00:49:03.300 THE FLOOD CAME. 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:04.967 HE COULD HAVE BEEN ALIVE DURING THE FLOOD. 00:49:05.067 --> 00:49:06.133 AND SO YOU HAVE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE. 00:49:06.233 --> 00:49:07.433 THOSE WHO RODE IT OUT 00:49:07.533 --> 00:49:10.267 AND ONE WHO WAS RAPTURED BEFORE THE FLOOD CAME. 00:49:10.367 --> 00:49:11.800 SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 00:49:11.900 --> 00:49:12.500 BUT LOT IS THE ONE 00:49:12.600 --> 00:49:13.800 THAT'S REALLY CONVINCING. 00:49:13.900 --> 00:49:14.967 BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ 00:49:15.067 --> 00:49:17.833 THE ACCOUNT BEGINNING IN GENESIS CHAPTER 18, ABRAHAM 00:49:17.933 --> 00:49:21.100 IS NEGOTIATING WITH GOD ABOUT LOT IN THE CITY, 00:49:21.200 --> 00:49:24.433 OF SODOM AND SAYING SHALL THE GOD OF ALL THE EARTH 00:49:24.533 --> 00:49:25.900 DO WHAT IS RIGHT? 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:27.867 AND SO HE CHALLENGES GOD'S JUSTICE 00:49:27.967 --> 00:49:30.933 BY SAYING IT WOULD BE UNJUST FOR YOU TO POUR OUT 00:49:31.033 --> 00:49:33.400 YOUR WRATH ON A CITY THAT HAD SOMEONE IN IT THAT YOU 00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:35.033 WERE IN COVENANT WITH, AND GOD SAID, 00:49:35.133 --> 00:49:37.133 YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 00:49:37.233 --> 00:49:39.300 I WILL NOT POUR OUT MY WRATH AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMEONE 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:40.634 THERE IN THAT CITY. 00:49:40.734 --> 00:49:41.267 WHAT ABOUT 50? 00:49:41.367 --> 00:49:42.267 WHAT ABOUT 40? 00:49:42.367 --> 00:49:43.200 WHAT ABOUT TEN? 00:49:43.300 --> 00:49:44.766 GOD SAID, NO, EVEN IF THERE'S TEN, 00:49:44.866 --> 00:49:46.034 I'M NOT GOING TO POUR IT OUT. 00:49:46.134 --> 00:49:48.367 SO WHEN WE GET TO THE GREAT TRIBULATION 00:49:48.467 --> 00:49:49.433 AND THE TRIBULATION, 00:49:49.533 --> 00:49:52.533 WRATH IS BEING POURED OUT ON THE ENTIRE WORLD. 00:49:52.633 --> 00:49:55.000 THERE'S NO ESCAPING IT, SO WHAT IS GOD GOING TO DO? 00:49:55.100 --> 00:49:56.133 HE CAN'T POUR OUT HIS WRATH. 00:49:56.233 --> 00:49:58.800 IT WOULD BE UNJUST FOR HIM TO POUR OUT HIS WRATH. 00:49:58.900 --> 00:50:01.333 SO LOT IS THAT TYPE AND SHADOW OF THAT WHERE THE 00:50:01.433 --> 00:50:03.634 ANGEL CAME DOWN AND SAID WE MUST GET YOU OUT 00:50:03.734 --> 00:50:07.567 QUICKLY BECAUSE GOD CANNOT POUR OUT HIS WRATH 00:50:07.667 --> 00:50:08.666 WITH YOU HERE. 00:50:08.766 --> 00:50:10.200 SO WE GOTTA GET YOU OUT OF HERE 00:50:10.300 --> 00:50:11.133 AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE 00:50:11.233 --> 00:50:12.633 IN SECOND THESSALONIANS IS THAT 00:50:12.733 --> 00:50:14.533 THERE'S A RESTRAINING FORCE THAT THE WRATH OF GOD 00:50:14.633 --> 00:50:15.666 CANNOT BE POURED OUT. 00:50:15.766 --> 00:50:17.200 THE ANTICHRIST CANNOT BE REVEALED 00:50:17.300 --> 00:50:19.566 UNTIL IT'S REMOVED AND THAT'S YOU AND ME. 00:50:19.666 --> 00:50:22.033 REBECCA: WOW, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING, 00:50:22.133 --> 00:50:23.000 WE'LL JUST END ON THIS NOTE. 00:50:23.100 --> 00:50:25.000 WHAT WOULD YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT BE TO 00:50:25.100 --> 00:50:27.166 SOMEONE LISTENING TO THIS AND STARTING TO GET THIS 00:50:27.266 --> 00:50:30.000 DOWNLOAD OF END TIMES PROBABLY FOR THE FIRST TIME. 00:50:30.100 --> 00:50:32.466 AND THEY MIGHT BE FEELING A LITTLE CONCERNED 00:50:32.566 --> 00:50:33.133 OR WORRIED. 00:50:33.233 --> 00:50:34.700 ALAN: DON'T BE FEARFUL. 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:38.167 GOD'S GRACE IS SO OVERWHELMING. 00:50:38.267 --> 00:50:38.966 WHERE SIN DOES ABOUND, 00:50:39.066 --> 00:50:40.533 GRACE DOES MUCH MORE ABOUND. 00:50:40.633 --> 00:50:41.734 WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH, 00:50:41.834 --> 00:50:43.833 WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU'VE EARNED. 00:50:43.933 --> 00:50:45.666 WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU DESERVE. 00:50:45.766 --> 00:50:46.833 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A GIFT 00:50:46.933 --> 00:50:49.600 HE'S GIVING YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE TRUSTED IN HIM. 00:50:49.700 --> 00:50:52.567 SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TRUST IN JESUS. 00:50:52.667 --> 00:50:54.667 AND IF YOU'LL JUST TRUST IN JESUS, 00:50:54.767 --> 00:50:55.867 THEN WHEN THAT TIME COMES, 00:50:55.967 --> 00:50:56.933 YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR YOUR NAME. 00:50:57.033 --> 00:50:58.734 I CAN IMAGINE IT TALKS ABOUT A TRUMPET BASS, 00:50:58.834 --> 00:51:02.300 BUT I IMAGINE EACH OF US WILL HEAR OUR OWN NAME. 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.200 WOULDN'T THAT BE AMAZING? 00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:04.267 REBECCA: THAT WOULD BE SO AMAZING. 00:51:04.367 --> 00:51:06.967 ALAN: ALAN, COME UP HERE, AND THEN HERE WE GO 00:51:07.067 --> 00:51:08.333 INTO A WHOLE NEW WORLD, 00:51:08.433 --> 00:51:09.467 THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO. 00:51:09.567 --> 00:51:10.433 REBECCA: I LOVE THAT. 00:51:10.533 --> 00:51:12.000 WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. 00:51:12.100 --> 00:51:13.200 ALAN: WHAT AN HONOR. 00:51:13.300 --> 00:51:14.133 GOOD TO FINALLY GET HERE. 00:51:14.233 --> 00:51:15.134 REBECCA: IT WAS AN HONOR FOR ALL OF US. 00:51:15.200 --> 00:51:17.266 SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE YOU BACK 00:51:17.366 --> 00:51:18.467 AND TALK ABOUT MORE THINGS 00:51:18.567 --> 00:51:19.467 BECAUSE I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. 00:51:19.567 --> 00:51:20.533 ALAN: ANY TIME, ANY TIME. 00:51:20.633 --> 00:51:21.567 REBECCA: AWESOME. 00:51:21.667 --> 00:51:22.866 WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 00:51:22.966 --> 00:51:23.466 ALAN: MY PLEASURE.