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REBECCA LAMB WEISS:
HEY, GUYS.

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WELCOME BACK TO THE
REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.

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AND I AM JOINED TODAY
WITH ALIA AZARIAH.

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AND SHE IS THE AFTERCARE
DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR

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FOR THE SAFE HOUSE PROJECT.


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SHE'S LOCATED IN
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

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STARTING OFF, WHAT IS
THE SAFE HOUSE PROJECT?

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ALIA AZARIAH: YEAH.


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SO WE'RE A NATIONAL
ORGANIZATION THAT WORKS TO

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COMBAT TRAFFICKING BY
PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES

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FOR HEALING FOR SURVIVORS
AND RAISING AWARENESS

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AND INCREASING THE
IDENTIFICATION OF

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SURVIVORS SO
THEY CAN EXIT.

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REBECCA: YEAH.


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I WAS ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT
BEFORE THE INTERVIEW

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AND I WAS LIKE REALLY IMPRESSED
WITH THAT ORGANIZATION.

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I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS
ARE DOING A LOT.

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IT'S LIKE ALL OVER.


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IT'S NOT JUST
ONE LOCATION.

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ALIA: NO.


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SO WE'RE A NATIONAL
ORGANIZATION,

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SO WE SERVE ALL 50 STATES.


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REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.


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ALIA: WE'VE
SERVED - LAST YEAR,

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WE SERVED 534 SURVIVORS,
HELPING THEM EXIT.

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YEAH.


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534 SURVIVORS.


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WE'VE TRAINED OVER 300,000
PEOPLE SINCE 2017 AND

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HELPED ORGANIZATIONS OPEN
I THINK 478 NEW BEDS

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FOR SURVIVORS OF TRAFFICKING.


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REBECCA: [ GASPS ]
THAT'S SO AMAZING.

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ALIA: YEAH.


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REBECCA: I LOVE THAT.


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BECAUSE IT TAKES
SPECIAL TRAINING.

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ALIA: IT DOES.


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REBECCA:
YOU CAN'T JUST,

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BECAUSE OF THE TRAUMA AND
THE THINGS THAT THESE

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SURVIVORS GO THROUGH, AND
I GUESS THE POOL TO TRY TO

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GET THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE TRAFFICKING THEM,

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TRYING TO GET THEM
BACK INTO THAT WORLD,

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YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE
PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT

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THEY'RE DOING.


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ALIA: YEAH,
VERY MUCH SO.

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REBECCA: SO WE'RE GOING
TO TALK ABOUT YOUR STORY.

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AND I LOVE THAT YOU'RE
SHARING YOUR TESTIMONY.

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THAT'S ACTUALLY
HOW I FOUND YOU,

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IS THROUGH YOUTUBE,
BECAUSE THE THING THAT'S

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CRAZY, I THINK FOR
SOMEONE LIKE ME,

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IS SEX TRAFFICKING HAS
BEEN GOING ON FOR A REALLY

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LONG TIME, BUT I FEEL LIKE
IN THE LAST MAYBE FIVE OR

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SO YEARS, PEOPLE ARE
FINALLY REALLY TALKING

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ABOUT IT AND STARTING
TO GET, I THINK,

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INTERNATIONAL EXPOSURE.


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BUT WHAT'S CRAZY IS THAT
WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT

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SEX TRAFFICKING, THEY SAY
IT'S SO RAMPANT AND SO

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WORLDWIDE, BUT IT'S SO
UNDERGROUND THAT PEOPLE

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LIKE ME, IT ALMOST - IT'S
LIKE I DON'T DENY THAT

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IT'S REAL, BUT IT DOESN'T
SEEM LIKE IT'S REAL

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BECAUSE IT'S LIKE I
DON'T KNOW ANYONE,

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I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, BUT
IT'S GOING ON SO MUCH.

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SO THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE
PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO TELL

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YOUR STORIES, BECAUSE IT
HELPS THE PUBLIC KNOW

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LIKE, THIS IS A REAL
PROBLEM AND IT'S REALLY

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GOING ON.


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ALIA: YEAH.


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REBECCA: SO THANK YOU
FOR I THINK BRINGING A FACE

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TO THE REALIZATION
THAT THIS DOES

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HAPPEN TO PEOPLE.


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SO LET'S START WITH
YOU GROWING UP.

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HOW YOU WERE
EVEN CONCEIVED,

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BECAUSE IT ADDS
TO YOUR STORY.

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ALIA: YEAH.


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SO, UNFORTUNATELY MY MOM,
WAS TRAFFICKED, AS WELL,

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AND EXPLOITED.


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AND SHE WAS POSING IN LIKE
HUSTLER MAGAZINES

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AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT
THE TIME, AS WELL.

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REBECCA: WHICH IS LIKE
KIND OF LIKE PLAYBOY, RIGHT?

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ALIA: YEAH, YEAH.


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AND SO THAT WAS JUST PART
OF HER EXPLOITATION.

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BUT SHE TRIED TO GET A
JOB OR SHE HAD A JOB

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AT A BUSINESS, AND THOSE
PICTURES WERE USED AGAINST HER.

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IT'S LIKE IF YOU DON'T
HAVE SEX WITH ME,

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I'M GOING TO SHOW
EVERYBODY EVERYTHING

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THAT YOU'VE DONE AND
TELL EVERYBODY.

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AND SO THAT'S HOW SHE
GOT PREGNANT WITH ME,

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WAS THROUGH THAT,
SOMEBODY EXPLOITING HER.

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AND SO SHE WAS SEXUALLY
ASSAULTED BY HER BOSS.

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AND SO THAT, I REALLY
BELIEVE LIKE PLACED

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A STRONGHOLD ON MY
LIFE RIGHT AWAY.

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AND IT ALSO REALLY
COMPLICATED OUR RELATIONSHIP.

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AND SO MY MOM LOVES ME AND
SHE'S ALWAYS LOVED ME,

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BUT SHE WAS DEALING -
SHE WAS VERY YOUNG,

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SHE'S LIKE 20 YEARS OLD,
SHE'S DEALING WITH

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HER OWN SIGNIFICANT TRAUMA,
AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE

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A COMPLICATED
RELATIONSHIP WITH ME,

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EVEN AS A LITTLE CHILD OR
WITH HER OWN NOT -

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NEVER RECEIVING HELP FOR
HER OWN ASSAULT.

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AND SO SHE WAS NOT INTO A
PLACE TO CARE FOR ME WELL.

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AND SO I GREW UP MOST OF
THE TIME WITH MY GRANDMA,

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BUT WOULD STILL
SEE MY MOM,

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AND LIKE EVERY LITTLE GIRL
LIKE, I IDOLIZED HER,

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AND I THOUGHT SHE WAS SO
COOL AND HER BEING YOUNG,

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SHE ALSO FELT JUST
LIKE A BIG SISTER,

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AND I THOUGHT THAT
EVERYTHING SHE DID WAS AMAZING.

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REBECCA: AW.


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ALIA: AND,
UNFORTUNATELY LIKE THAT

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LED TO IDOLIZING A LOT OF
THINGS THAT WEREN'T SAFE

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AND HAVING A REALLY
DISTORTED VIEW OF WHAT

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WOMANHOOD LOOKED LIKE AND
SEXUALITY LOOKS LIKE.

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AND WITH MY MOM WHERE
SHE WAS AT THE TIME,

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SHE HAD LIKE ONE OF THOSE
PRINTOUTS OF LIKE

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HER CENTERFOLDS LIKE
HANGING ABOVE HER BED,

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LIKE LIFE-SIZE.


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AND SO I GREW UP -


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REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.


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ALIA: YEAH, I GREW
UP WITH THAT IMAGE AND

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THINKING LIKE THAT
THAT IS FEMININITY

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AND THAT THAT'S LIKE
WHAT - A NORMAL THING.

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AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT,
BECAUSE OF HER PAIN,

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SHE WASN'T PICKING GOOD
MEN TO BE IN HER LIFE.

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AND ONE OF HER BOYFRIENDS
STARTED SEXUALLY ABUSING ME

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WHEN I WAS 4.


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AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS
CAME TOGETHER TO, REALLY,

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A PERFECT STORM
OF VICTIMIZATION.

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AND LIKE I REALLY BELIEVED
THAT THAT WAS A NORMAL THING

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IN THE WORLD, THAT
THAT'S HOW WOMEN WERE

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SUPPOSED TO BEHAVE,
THAT'S WHAT RELATIONSHIPS

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WITH MEN LOOKED LIKE.


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AND, YEAH, SO IT LED TO
SOME REALLY DISTORTED

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WORLDVIEW FOR ME.


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REBECCA: YEAH.


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AND YOU WERE EXPOSED TO
SEX AT WAY TOO YOUNG OF AN AGE,

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BECAUSE THAT'S A
WHOLE 'NOTHER THING

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IN AND OF ITSELF IS CHILDREN
BEING SEXUALIZED

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BEFORE THEY'RE READY.


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DID THAT AFFECT, BEING ABUSED
AND DEALING WITH YOUR MOM,

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DID THAT ONLY - IT NOT
ONLY AFFECTED YOUR WORLDVIEW,

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BUT DID IT
AFFECT YOUR SENSE OF

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SELF-WORTH AND IDENTITY?


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ALIA: YEAH.


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ABSOLUTELY.


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AND I FELT LIKE I ONLY GOT
SELF-WORTH WHEN SOMEBODY

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GAVE IT TO ME, RIGHT.


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AND SPECIFICALLY LIKE MY -
THE PERSON WHO STARTED

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ABUSING ME WHEN I WAS
REALLY YOUNG WOULD TELL ME

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LIKE, WELL, THIS IS
BECAUSE YOU'RE SO PRETTY,

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RIGHT, AND I'M 4.


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AND SO I REALLY
THOUGHT LIKE, OKAY,

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LIKE THESE THINGS
HAPPEN TO PRETTY GIRLS.

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LIKE THAT'S WHAT - THE
MESSAGE THAT I RECEIVED

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WAS, ONLY PRETTY
GIRLS GET ABUSED.

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SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT
WAS A PRIVILEGE

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FOR YOU, RIGHT.


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AND SO I FELT LIKE
THERE WERE THINGS -

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REBECCA: SO YOU HAD ALL
THIS MIXED MESSAGING

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BEING PUT IN YOUR MIND.


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ALIA: SO MIXED.


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REBECCA: WAY TOO YOUNG
TO KNOW ANY DIFFERENT.

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ALIA: AND I THOUGHT,
JUST BECAUSE I WAS,

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I HAD FAMILY
THAT LOVED ME,

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BUT THEN I ALSO HAD
FAMILY THAT HURT ME.

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AND THERE WAS BIG, LIKE,
HOLES IN MY LIFE FROM NOT

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HAVING A DAD AND MY
GRANDPA LEFT TOO,

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AND IT WAS LIKE ALL OF
THESE LIKE MAN-TYPE HOLES

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IN MY LIFE.


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REBECCA: YEAH,
FATHER WOUNDS.

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ALIA: FATHER WOUNDS,
DEEP FATHER WOUNDS THAT I

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FELT LIKE THE ONLY TIME
THAT I COULD GET LIKE

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MALE AFFECTION, IT
WAS SEXUALIZED.

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AND SO I JUST
DIDN'T SEE HOW,

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I THOUGHT THAT I WAS
DIFFERENT THAN OTHER GIRLS.

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LIKE BECAUSE OF ABUSE,
BECAUSE OF LACK OF A FATHER,

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LIKE THERE WERE
THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE

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COULD LIVE LIKE.


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THERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES
FOR OTHER GIRLS

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THAT I DIDN'T HAVE.


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AND IT WASN'T LIKE A, OH,
WELL MAYBE IF I WORK HARD

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ENOUGH, THERE WAS -
IT WAS JUST LIKE,

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THIS IS JUST THE
WAY IT IS FOR YOU.

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THAT WAS THE MESSAGE THAT
I'D RECEIVED ABOUT MYSELF

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AND MY PLACE IN THE WORLD.


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REBECCA: AND
FATHER WOUNDS,

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WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE
AFFECTION AND LOVE

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OF YOUR FATHER,


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THAT'S A VERY BIG
HOLE THAT'S LEFT BEHIND.

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AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN REALLY,
A HUNDRED PERCENT,

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HAVE YOUR MOM BECAUSE YOUR
MOM, LIKE YOU SAID,

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WAS NOT IN 5 A GOOD PLACE.


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SHE HAD SO MUCH HURTING.


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YOUR MOM DID THE
BEST SHE COULD.

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ALIA: SHE DID
THE BEST SHE COULD.

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AND SHE'S APOLOGIZED AND
SHE WOULD SAY HER BEST

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WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH.


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LIKE I WANT TO ALWAYS BE
REALLY HONORING OF THE

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WORK THAT SHE'S DONE AND
WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD

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RELATIONSHIP NOW, BUT
IT WAS NOT THAT WAY.

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AND SHE WAS NOT A
GOOD MOM AT THE TIME.

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AND SO, YEAH, IT WAS
LIKE DOUBLE-PAIN.

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REBECCA: DOUBLE-HOLES.


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ALIA: YEAH.


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REBECCA: YEAH.


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AND SO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE
THAT LOVE OF A FATHER,

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THAT WILL PUT SUCH A
STRONG HUNGER WITHIN YOUR

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SOUL TO GO LOOKING FOR
THAT AND GETTING THAT

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PRETTY MUCH ANY
WAY YOU CAN.

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DID YOU EVER - DID YOUR
MOM EVER KNOW THE ABUSE -

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DID YOU EVER TELL HER
ABOUT IT WHEN YOU WERE A KID

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OR DID YOU NOT EVEN -


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ALIA: NOT
WHEN I WAS A KID.

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REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU
DIDN'T EVEN PROBABLY REALIZE?

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ALIA: NO, I DIDN'T.


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I DIDN'T KNOW.


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I REMEMBER BEING IN LIKE
FIFTH GRADE AND HAVING

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A GIRL TALK ABOUT LIKE, I
CAN'T REMEMBER WHY

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SHE BROUGHT IT UP, BUT SHE'S
- WE'RE ON A FIELD TRIP,

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AND SHE TALKED ABOUT LIKE BEING
MOLESTED OR SOMETHING,

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AND I'M LIKE,
WHAT DOES THAT WORD MEAN?

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AND SHE TOLD ME,
AND I WAS LIKE,

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OH, THAT - LIKE THAT
HAPPENED TO ME.

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IT HAD ALWAYS
JUST BEEN LIKE,

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THIS IS A THING
THAT HAPPENS.

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I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE
WAS EVEN A WORD FOR IT.

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REBECCA: AND YOU JUST
THOUGHT IT WAS NORMAL.

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ALIA: I DID.


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I REALLY THOUGHT
IT WAS NORMAL.

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I KNEW THAT IT DIDN'T
HAPPEN TO EVERYBODY,

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BUT I KNEW LIKE THERE'S
JUST SOME KIDS

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THAT THIS HAPPENS TO.


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AND SO I DIDN'T.


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I TOLD HER WHEN I WAS
AN ADULT, ACTUALLY,

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RIGHT BEFORE I STARTED
SPEAKING LIKE MORE PUBLICALLY,

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I WAS LIKE,
I NEED TO TELL MY MOM.

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AND SHE HAD ALREADY KNOWN.


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I HAD TOLD MY GRANDMA
YEARS BEFORE,

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AND MY GRANDMA, I
GUESS, HAD TOLD HER.

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AND SO SHE HAD
ALREADY KNOWN,

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SO THAT MADE IT
A LITTLE EASIER,

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BUT WE NEVER REALLY
TALKED ABOUT IT AT ALL.

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AND SHE GAVE ME JUST SOME
MORE CONTEXT TO LIKE,

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YOU'LL ONLY REMEMBER
THINGS THE WAY THAT YOU DO

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WHEN YOU'RE LITTLE, RIGHT.


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AND SO SHE FILLED IN SOME
HOLES THAT I HAD

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IN MY MEMORY THAT I HAD
QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND JUST,

00:09:01.633 --> 00:09:03.467
OF COURSE, TOLD ME
THAT SHE WAS SORRY,

00:09:03.567 --> 00:09:04.800
AND ALL OF THAT.


00:09:04.900 --> 00:09:06.666
BUT IT'S HARD
FOR BOTH OF US.

00:09:06.766 --> 00:09:09.867
LIKE, I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT
EASY FOR HER TO CARRY

00:09:09.967 --> 00:09:12.466
THAT THOUGHT THAT SHE BROUGHT
SOMEBODY INTO MY LIFE

00:09:12.566 --> 00:09:15.867
THAT HURT ME, ISN'T AN EASY
THING FOR HER, EITHER.

00:09:15.967 --> 00:09:16.733
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:09:16.833 --> 00:09:18.166
AND WE BOTH HAVE
KIDS, SO IT'S LIKE,

00:09:18.266 --> 00:09:19.166
WE CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.


00:09:19.266 --> 00:09:20.566
THAT WOULD BE SO HARD.


00:09:20.666 --> 00:09:22.600
ALIA: I CAN'T, I
REALLY CAN'T IMAGINE.

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REBECCA: YOU GROW UP IN
THIS HOUSEHOLD WHERE

00:09:26.967 --> 00:09:28.366
WE TALK ABOUT HOW YOU
HAVE THESE WOUNDS,

00:09:28.466 --> 00:09:30.200
YOU HAVE THESE HOLES
WITHIN YOUR SOUL,

00:09:30.300 --> 00:09:32.267
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR LOVE,
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AFFECTION,

00:09:32.367 --> 00:09:34.133
YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN
PROGRAMMED INTO YOUR MIND

00:09:34.233 --> 00:09:35.733
TO NOT REALLY
HAVE THE BEST SELF-WORTH

00:09:35.833 --> 00:09:36.433
BECAUSE OF ALL
OF THE DIFFERENT

00:09:36.533 --> 00:09:38.067
LIFE EXPERIENCES YOU HAD.


00:09:38.167 --> 00:09:40.733
SO THIS LEADS TO YOU
BEING A TEENAGER

00:09:40.833 --> 00:09:42.233
AND YOU'RE ON MYSPACE.


00:09:42.333 --> 00:09:45.200
I WAS THE
EXACT SAME AGE,

00:09:45.300 --> 00:09:47.299
AND WE WERE PROBABLY BORN
AROUND THE SAME TIME,

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BECAUSE I REMEMBER
THE MYSPACE AGE,

00:09:48.967 --> 00:09:50.599
AND I WAS THE EXACT
SAME AGE, TOO.

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AND THAT WAS SUCH
A WILD PLACE.

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ALIA: IT WAS.


00:09:53.133 --> 00:09:55.067
REBECCA: BECAUSE
MYSPACE WAS SO SKETCHY,

00:09:55.167 --> 00:09:56.099
IN MY OPINION.


00:09:56.199 --> 00:09:57.167
ALIA: IT REALLY
WAS SKETCHY.

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REBECCA: THERE WAS
SOMETHING EXTRA SKETCHY

00:09:58.500 --> 00:09:59.866
ABOUT MYSPACE, AND
I THINK IT MIGHT BE JUST

00:09:59.966 --> 00:10:02.933
BECAUSE, I DON'T KNOW,
LIKE PEOPLE CAN FAKE

00:10:03.033 --> 00:10:04.400
THEIR PROFILES EVEN MORE.


00:10:04.500 --> 00:10:05.533
I DON'T KNOW.


00:10:05.633 --> 00:10:08.200
ALIA: THERE WAS ALSO
LIKE THE SEARCH ON MYSPACE.

00:10:08.300 --> 00:10:09.300
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:10:09.400 --> 00:10:10.399
I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING
- IT'S BEEN SO LONG,

00:10:10.499 --> 00:10:11.400
BUT I REMEMBER LIKE YOU
COULD CONNECT TO SUCH

00:10:11.500 --> 00:10:12.733
RANDOM PEOPLE.


00:10:12.833 --> 00:10:15.400
SO I'M JUST LIKE, UGH,
MYSPACE WAS SUCH A BAD THING.

00:10:15.500 --> 00:10:16.133
ALIA: IT WAS
A BAD THING.

00:10:16.233 --> 00:10:17.366
REBECCA: FOR
US, OUR AGE,

00:10:17.466 --> 00:10:20.333
AND I WAS LIKE THE SAME
AGE AS YOU, I WAS LIKE 13, 12.

00:10:20.433 --> 00:10:22.633
UGH, IT JUST - IT HONESTLY
KILLS ME A LITTLE BIT.

00:10:22.733 --> 00:10:24.866
SO YOU'RE ON MYSPACE,
AND WHAT HAPPENS?

00:10:24.966 --> 00:10:28.233
ALIA: SO I HAD GOTTEN,
LIKE I HAD HAD EXPERIENCES

00:10:28.333 --> 00:10:30.300
LEADING UP TO THIS THAT
CONTINUED TO CONFIRM

00:10:30.400 --> 00:10:33.066
THOSE THINGS THAT I HAD
EXPERIENCED WHEN I WAS

00:10:33.166 --> 00:10:36.099
VERY LITTLE, SO I HAD
LIKE, STARTING AROUND 12,

00:10:36.199 --> 00:10:38.666
I STARTED - I DO THINK
THAT THERE'S SOMETHING

00:10:38.766 --> 00:10:40.899
THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'VE
BEEN VICTIMIZED

00:10:40.999 --> 00:10:42.233
AND IT'S BEEN KEPT IN THE DARK


00:10:42.333 --> 00:10:44.433
WHEN YOU DO HAVE
LIKE VICTIM

00:10:44.533 --> 00:10:46.367
WRITTEN ACROSS
YOUR FOREHEAD.

00:10:46.467 --> 00:10:48.367
AND PEOPLE THAT WANT TO
HURT YOU OR EXPLOIT YOU,

00:10:48.467 --> 00:10:50.666
THEY CAN SEE THAT, WHEN
YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE HELP.

00:10:50.766 --> 00:10:52.033
REBECCA: I
THINK THAT, TOO.

00:10:52.133 --> 00:10:53.133
ALIA: THERE IS.


00:10:53.233 --> 00:10:54.366
REBECCA: I ACTUALLY
THINK THERE'S - THIS MIGHT

00:10:54.466 --> 00:10:56.133
SOUND WEIRD - BUT I THINK
THERE'S A SPIRITUAL COMPONENT

00:10:56.233 --> 00:10:56.933
TO IT AS WELL.


00:10:57.033 --> 00:10:57.933
ALIA: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.


00:10:58.033 --> 00:10:59.466
REBECCA: WE'RE IN
THE SPIRIT REALM,

00:10:59.566 --> 00:11:00.566
THIS MIGHT SOUND
CRAZY TO OTHER PEOPLE,

00:11:00.666 --> 00:11:02.133
BUT I'VE HEARD OTHER
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS,

00:11:02.233 --> 00:11:05.600
WHERE DEMONICALLY, IT
ATTRACTS THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE

00:11:05.700 --> 00:11:07.933
TO YOU, BECAUSE
THEY KNOW, YEAH.

00:11:08.033 --> 00:11:08.699
ALIA: I'M SURE.


00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.166
I'M SURE THERE IS.


00:11:11.266 --> 00:11:14.266
AND SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY
HAPPENING, ESSENTIALLY,

00:11:14.366 --> 00:11:15.033
IN MY LIFE.


00:11:15.133 --> 00:11:15.966
AND THERE WERE
LIKE OLDER -

00:11:16.066 --> 00:11:16.699
REBECCA: BECAUSE
THINGS KEPT HAPPENING.

00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:17.766
ALIA: YEAH.


00:11:17.866 --> 00:11:20.800
AND SO LIKE I HAD A
LITTLE JOB AT MY MOM'S,

00:11:20.900 --> 00:11:23.533
WHEN I WOULD GO VISIT
HER LIKE HOSTESSING

00:11:23.633 --> 00:11:25.533
AT A LITTLE TINY RESTAURANT,
AND THERE WAS LIKE

00:11:25.633 --> 00:11:29.866
A 21-YEAR-OLD BOY WHO WORKED
IN THE KITCHEN WHO TOOK

00:11:29.966 --> 00:11:31.767
ADVANTAGE OF - LIKE LITTLE
THINGS LIKE THAT -

00:11:31.867 --> 00:11:34.266
LITTLE THINGS - IN MY LIFE,
THEY WERE LITTLE THINGS.

00:11:34.366 --> 00:11:36.833
IT HAPPENED SO OFTEN THAT
IT DID FEEL LIKE

00:11:36.933 --> 00:11:37.966
LITTLE THINGS.


00:11:38.066 --> 00:11:42.133
SO I WAS REALLY KIND OF THE
LIKE CHILD AND ADULT

00:11:42.233 --> 00:11:44.233
SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WAS REALLY
NORMALIZED FOR ME

00:11:44.333 --> 00:11:45.800
BY THAT POINT.


00:11:45.900 --> 00:11:47.800
AND SO WHAT I REALIZED
WAS, OKAY, WELL,

00:11:47.900 --> 00:11:51.100
THERE ARE THESE MEN,
THERE'S ADULT MEN OUT THERE

00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.300
THAT WANT TO
HAVE SEX WITH ME,

00:11:53.400 --> 00:11:55.100
AND THEY WILL,
A LOT OF TIME,

00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.166
GIVE ME ALCOHOL OR THEY'LL
LIKE HAVE ME SMOKE WEED,

00:11:58.266 --> 00:12:01.100
AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS
NUMB A LOT OF THIS PAIN.

00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.200
THAT NUMBS THIS PAIN.


00:12:03.300 --> 00:12:04.933
AND THAT WAS REALLY
NORMAL FOR ME,

00:12:05.033 --> 00:12:07.199
TO LIKE HAVE ADULTS THAT
WERE INTERESTED IN ME.

00:12:07.299 --> 00:12:10.666
AND SO I WAS
RUNNING AWAY A LOT.

00:12:10.766 --> 00:12:14.033
AND MYSPACE WAS
LIKE AN AID IN THAT.

00:12:14.133 --> 00:12:16.833
AND WHAT YOU COULD DO ON
MYSPACE WAS YOU COULD SEARCH.

00:12:16.933 --> 00:12:19.900
AND SO I WOULD DO LIKE,
WITHIN A 30-MILE RADIUS,

00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.067
WITHIN A 60-MILE RADIUS,
MEN BETWEEN THE AGES

00:12:23.167 --> 00:12:25.299
OF 25 AND 35.


00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:28.367
AND IN THE SAME WAY THAT
I COULD SEARCH FOR THAT,

00:12:28.467 --> 00:12:30.700
MEN COULD SEARCH FOR
KIDS THAT WAY, TOO,

00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:32.199
AT THAT POINT.


00:12:32.299 --> 00:12:34.699
AND SO I WOULD
SEARCH THAT,

00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:37.566
AND I COULD GET A VIBE
JUST BASED ON MYSPACE

00:12:37.666 --> 00:12:41.966
OF LIKE WHO WOULD WANT
TO COME PICK ME UP.

00:12:42.066 --> 00:12:44.200
AND IT'S SICKENING TO
THINK OF HOW MANY TIMES

00:12:44.300 --> 00:12:46.533
PEOPLE RESPONDED TO THE
MESSAGES THAT I SENT OUT

00:12:46.633 --> 00:12:49.366
AS A 12, 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL.


00:12:49.466 --> 00:12:50.766
LIKE, DO YOU
WANT TO HANG OUT?

00:12:50.866 --> 00:12:51.933
LIKE COME PICK ME UP.


00:12:52.033 --> 00:12:53.133
LIKE I WAS LOOKING
TO RUN AWAY.

00:12:53.233 --> 00:12:54.033
AND SO I WOULD.


00:12:54.133 --> 00:12:55.366
I WOULD RUN AWAY
AND I WOULD NUMB,

00:12:55.466 --> 00:12:56.799
AND IT WAS LIKE
A BAND-AID.

00:12:56.899 --> 00:12:58.433
SOMEBODY TOLD ME
THAT I WAS BEAUTIFUL,

00:12:58.533 --> 00:13:00.900
SOMEBODY WOULD TELL ME
THAT I WAS VALUABLE.

00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.666
AND LIKE - AND IT FELT
REAL FOR A MOMENT, RIGHT.

00:13:04.766 --> 00:13:06.000
IT WAS THE ONLY PLACE THAT
I REALLY FELT LIKE

00:13:06.100 --> 00:13:08.166
THAT WAS TRUE.


00:13:08.266 --> 00:13:11.267
AND SO ONE DAY,
I SENT A MESSAGE,

00:13:11.367 --> 00:13:13.533
AND I ALWAYS SAY LIKE WHEN
I TELL THIS STORY THAT I'M

00:13:13.633 --> 00:13:15.533
SURE TO HIM, THIS WAS
LIKE CHRISTMAS MORNING,

00:13:15.633 --> 00:13:19.499
BECAUSE HE HAD A HISTORY
OF TRAFFICKING YOUNG GIRLS.

00:13:19.599 --> 00:13:20.699
AND HE HAPPENED TO
BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE

00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.467
THAT I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS GUY
WILL PROBABLY

00:13:22.567 --> 00:13:24.067
COME PICK ME UP.


00:13:24.167 --> 00:13:27.467
AND SO I SENT HIM A
MESSAGE, AND HE DID.

00:13:27.567 --> 00:13:29.399
HE CAME AND PICKED ME UP.


00:13:29.499 --> 00:13:31.266
AND LIKE THE THING THAT
PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND

00:13:31.366 --> 00:13:34.933
ABOUT TRAFFICKING IS, I
THINK THEY THINK LIKE THE

00:13:35.033 --> 00:13:35.633
NEXT THING SHE'S GOING TO
SAY IS HE DIDN'T BRING HER

00:13:35.733 --> 00:13:36.867
BACK HOME, RIGHT?


00:13:36.967 --> 00:13:38.267
THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.


00:13:38.367 --> 00:13:39.467
LIKE HE BROUGHT
ME BACK HOME.

00:13:39.567 --> 00:13:41.767
AND FOR SIX MONTHS, LIKE
EVERY COUPLE OF NIGHTS,

00:13:41.867 --> 00:13:42.867
HE WOULD COME
AND PICK ME UP,

00:13:42.967 --> 00:13:44.633
AND THEN HE WOULD BRING ME
BACK HOME LIKE LATER

00:13:44.733 --> 00:13:48.133
IN THE EVENING, LIKE I
WOULD SNEAK OUT WITH -

00:13:48.233 --> 00:13:50.100
OUT THE SLIDING GLASS DOOR
WHEN MY GRANDMA WAS ASLEEP

00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.133
AND SNEAK BACK IN BEFORE
SHE WOULD WAKE UP.

00:13:52.233 --> 00:13:53.933
REBECCA: DID SHE HAVE
ANY IDEA THAT YOU WERE GONE?

00:13:54.033 --> 00:13:54.866
ALIA: SOMETIMES.


00:13:54.966 --> 00:13:55.966
SOMETIMES SHE DID.


00:13:56.066 --> 00:13:57.066
REBECCA: SO SHE DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON?

00:13:57.166 --> 00:13:58.633
ALIA: SHE DID LATER ON.


00:13:58.733 --> 00:14:00.133
LATER ON, SHE KNEW.


00:14:00.233 --> 00:14:04.533
THERE JUST WASN'T RESOURCES
TO HELP HER HELP ME.

00:14:04.633 --> 00:14:07.100
BUT LATE - SO I
MET THIS GUY THERE,

00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.866
AND IT TOOK HIM ABOUT SIX
MONTHS BEFORE HE ACTUALLY

00:14:09.966 --> 00:14:12.400
TRAFFICKED ME, BUT HE
SPENT A LOT OF TIME

00:14:12.500 --> 00:14:17.499
NORMALIZING TRAFFICKING
AND NORMALIZING LIKE

00:14:17.599 --> 00:14:20.300
BUYING AND SELLING SEX
AND EXPOSING ME TO OTHER PEOPLE

00:14:20.400 --> 00:14:21.467
THAT DID THAT.


00:14:21.567 --> 00:14:25.400
LIKE HE TOOK HIS TIME TO
PICK UP WHERE EVERYONE ELSE

00:14:25.500 --> 00:14:28.366
WHO HAD
ABUSED ME LEFT OFF,

00:14:28.466 --> 00:14:30.366
SO THAT WHEN HE WOULD PUT
ME IN A SITUATION WHERE HE

00:14:30.466 --> 00:14:32.899
WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE
TRAFFICKING ME INSTEAD OF

00:14:32.999 --> 00:14:37.133
JUST ABUSING ME HIMSELF,
IT FELT NORMAL,

00:14:37.233 --> 00:14:39.067
LIKE IT DIDN'T
FEEL LIKE THIS BIG,

00:14:39.167 --> 00:14:40.433
CRAZY THING THAT
WAS HAPPENING.

00:14:40.533 --> 00:14:42.566
IT JUST FELT LIKE, THIS
FITS WITH EVERYTHING ELSE

00:14:42.666 --> 00:14:43.833
I KNOW ABOUT LIFE.


00:14:43.933 --> 00:14:44.733
REBECCA: HE
WAS GROOMING YOU.

00:14:44.833 --> 00:14:45.799
ALIA: YEAH, HE
WAS GROOMING ME.

00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:47.433
REBECCA: AND SO HE
TREATED YOU - DID HE TREAT

00:14:47.533 --> 00:14:48.733
YOU PRETTY WELL IN
HIS FIRST SIX MONTHS?

00:14:48.833 --> 00:14:49.667
ALIA: YEAH.


00:14:49.767 --> 00:14:51.566
IT'S ALL RELATIVE, RIGHT.


00:14:51.666 --> 00:14:54.633
NOT LIKE, YEAH, HE JUST
TOLD ME HOW BEAUTIFUL I WAS

00:14:54.733 --> 00:14:58.033
AND HOW LOVED I WAS,
AND JUST THAT HE MADE ME -

00:14:58.133 --> 00:14:58.966
AND IT'S -


00:14:59.066 --> 00:14:59.766
REBECCA: LOVE BOMBING.


00:14:59.866 --> 00:15:01.100
ALIA: YEAH,
LOVE BOMBED ME.

00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.167
AND IT'S CRAZY TO THINK
LIKE, I WAS 13 YEARS OLD,

00:15:03.267 --> 00:15:04.467
LIKE HOW DID I -


00:15:04.567 --> 00:15:05.233
REBECCA: YOU'RE SO YOUNG.


00:15:05.333 --> 00:15:06.333
ALIA: SO YOUNG.


00:15:06.433 --> 00:15:07.433
REBECCA: YOU DON'T
KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

00:15:07.533 --> 00:15:09.266
ALIA: AND JUST -
BUT HE TOLD ME LIKE,

00:15:09.366 --> 00:15:10.766
WE'RE GOING TO
BE A FAMILY,

00:15:10.866 --> 00:15:12.199
ALL THESE THINGS THAT -


00:15:12.299 --> 00:15:13.133
REBECCA: WERE YOU LIKE -
DID YOU FEEL LIKE

00:15:13.233 --> 00:15:14.000
YOU WERE IN LOVE WITH HIM?


00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:15.066
ALIA: OH, ABSOLUTELY.


00:15:15.166 --> 00:15:15.967
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.


00:15:16.067 --> 00:15:17.067
ALIA: I DID. I DID.


00:15:17.167 --> 00:15:18.300
REBECCA: SO HE WAS LIKE
SAYING LIKE YOU'RE MINE,

00:15:18.400 --> 00:15:19.266
WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE A FAMILY?

00:15:19.366 --> 00:15:20.067
ALIA: YEAH.


00:15:20.167 --> 00:15:20.866
ALL OF THESE THINGS.


00:15:20.966 --> 00:15:21.367
REBECCA: HOW OLD WAS HE?


00:15:21.467 --> 00:15:22.699
ALIA: HE WAS 28.


00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:23.866
REBECCA: EW.


00:15:23.966 --> 00:15:25.399
ALIA: AND I - BUT I WAS
SO STARVED FOR FAMILY,

00:15:25.499 --> 00:15:26.733
YEAH, SUPER GROSS.


00:15:26.833 --> 00:15:28.100
I WAS SO STARVED
FOR A FAMILY.

00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:29.399
REBECCA: YEAH,
THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED.

00:15:29.499 --> 00:15:30.466
ALIA: THAT'S
WHAT I WANTED.

00:15:30.566 --> 00:15:31.533
REBECCA: SO YOU WERE
THINKING HE WAS GOING TO

00:15:31.633 --> 00:15:32.566
GIVE YOU LIKE YOUR - IT'S
LIKE WHAT THEY DO IN

00:15:32.666 --> 00:15:33.833
DISNEY MOVIES, YOU THINK
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE

00:15:33.933 --> 00:15:35.066
YOUR HAPPILY EVER AFTER?


00:15:35.166 --> 00:15:36.167
ALIA: TOTALLY,
A HUNDRED PERCENT.

00:15:36.267 --> 00:15:37.499
REBECCA: HE WAS LIKE
THE GUY COMING TO SAVE YOU

00:15:37.599 --> 00:15:40.633
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S
WHAT GIRLS WANT SO BAD.

00:15:40.733 --> 00:15:42.700
ALIA: YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT,
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

00:15:42.800 --> 00:15:44.366
AND HE
TOLD ME LIKE,

00:15:44.466 --> 00:15:46.233
THE WAYS - THE THINGS
THAT HE SAID TO GROOM ME,

00:15:46.333 --> 00:15:48.367
LIKE HE TOLD ME THAT HE'D
BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED

00:15:48.467 --> 00:15:49.733
WHEN HE WAS LITTLE.


00:15:49.833 --> 00:15:51.900
LIKE, HE MADE ME FEEL
LIKE I WASN'T ALONE.

00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:52.900
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:54.433
THAT'S LIKE, REALLY
GRADE-A MANIPULATION

00:15:54.533 --> 00:15:55.166
RIGHT THERE.


00:15:55.266 --> 00:15:56.600
ALIA: YEAH.


00:15:56.700 --> 00:15:58.533
REBECCA: SO
WHEN DID IT FLIP?

00:15:58.633 --> 00:16:01.267
ALIA: LIKE WHEN DID HE
START ACTUALLY TRAFFICKING ME?

00:16:01.367 --> 00:16:02.066
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:16:02.166 --> 00:16:03.033
ALIA: YEAH.


00:16:03.133 --> 00:16:03.766
SO IT WAS ABOUT SIX
MONTHS AFTER THAT.

00:16:03.866 --> 00:16:05.166
SO I WAS ABOUT TO BE 14.


00:16:05.233 --> 00:16:08.000
AND HE HAD ALREADY MADE
IT SEEM REALLY NORMAL.

00:16:08.100 --> 00:16:11.499
HE ACTUALLY TOLD ME - SO
I WOULD RUN AWAY AND WE

00:16:11.599 --> 00:16:14.000
WOULD GET HOTEL ROOMS,
AND THINGS LIKE THAT,

00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:16.366
AND THEN I
WOULD COME HOME.

00:16:16.466 --> 00:16:19.733
BUT HE TOLD ME THAT - IT
ACTUALLY TOOK ME YEARS TO

00:16:19.833 --> 00:16:22.899
REALIZE THAT THIS WAS A
LIE - HE TOLD ME THAT HE

00:16:22.999 --> 00:16:25.767
WAS GETTING A LOT OF THIS
MONEY FROM SLEEPING WITH

00:16:25.867 --> 00:16:28.166
OLDER WOMEN, AND THAT THEY
WOULD GIVE HIM MONEY

00:16:28.266 --> 00:16:29.667
TO DO THIS.


00:16:29.767 --> 00:16:32.700
AND SO I LIKE - HE TOLD
ME LIKE, YOU KNOW,

00:16:32.800 --> 00:16:35.267
I'VE BEEN DOING
THIS FOR YOU.

00:16:35.367 --> 00:16:37.199
I NEED YOU TO
DO THIS FOR ME.

00:16:37.299 --> 00:16:39.266
AND I HAVE THIS
FRIEND, RIGHT,

00:16:39.366 --> 00:16:41.733
WHO'S WILLING TO PAY
THIS MUCH MONEY

00:16:41.833 --> 00:16:42.633
TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU.


00:16:42.733 --> 00:16:44.433
AND HE ALREADY
MADE THAT SEEM NORMAL,

00:16:44.533 --> 00:16:47.000
HE HAD BROUGHT ME AROUND
ADULT WOMEN WHO WORKED IN

00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:50.300
STRIP CLUBS, LIKE HE MADE
IT SEEM LIKE EVERYBODY

00:16:50.400 --> 00:16:51.933
ELSE WAS DOING
THIS, AND,

00:16:52.033 --> 00:16:55.100
WELL, YOU WERE ALREADY
DOING THIS BEFORE,

00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:58.766
LIKE YOU WERE HAVING SEX
WITH PEOPLE TO GET ALCOHOL

00:16:58.866 --> 00:17:00.067
OR TO HAVE A PLACE TO
STAY FOR THE NIGHT.

00:17:00.167 --> 00:17:02.133
YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.


00:17:02.233 --> 00:17:03.933
SO WHEN HE ASKED
ME TO DO THAT,

00:17:04.033 --> 00:17:06.433
IT WAS LIKE - AND
I'M 13, AGAIN,

00:17:06.533 --> 00:17:11.300
AT THIS - LIKE MY MIND
WAS SO MANIPULATED.

00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:13.500
BUT IT WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY.


00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:15.266
I GUESS I COULD
DO THAT FOR YOU.

00:17:15.366 --> 00:17:17.333
I GUESS I COULD DO
THAT FOR YOU.

00:17:17.433 --> 00:17:19.466
AND THERE WAS STILL
THIS FATHER WOUND.

00:17:19.566 --> 00:17:21.166
SO EVEN THOUGH I THOUGHT I
WAS IN LOVE WITH HIM AND

00:17:21.266 --> 00:17:23.800
THAT HE WAS LIKE MY
BOYFRIEND, AT THAT AGE,

00:17:23.900 --> 00:17:25.733
I WAS STILL LIKE MIXING
THOSE THINGS

00:17:25.833 --> 00:17:28.067
WITH FATHERING, RIGHT.


00:17:28.167 --> 00:17:29.133
SO I ALSO LIKE -


00:17:29.233 --> 00:17:30.033
REBECCA: BECAUSE
HE WAS OLDER.

00:17:30.133 --> 00:17:31.166
ALIA: HE WAS OLDER.


00:17:31.266 --> 00:17:32.266
REBECCA: BUT
HE WAS LIKE,

00:17:32.366 --> 00:17:33.367
I'M TAKING CARE OF YOU.


00:17:33.467 --> 00:17:35.500
SO THAT WAS LIKE
A FATHER, MM-HM.

00:17:35.600 --> 00:17:36.399
ALIA: IT WAS.


00:17:36.499 --> 00:17:37.600
YEAH.


00:17:37.700 --> 00:17:38.933
AND SO THERE WAS THIS
DESIRE TO LIKE MAKE HIM HAPPY.

00:17:39.033 --> 00:17:41.399
AND THEN TO KEEP ALL OF
THAT VALIDATION AND TO KEEP -

00:17:41.499 --> 00:17:42.266
REBECCA: YOU DIDN'T
WANT TO LOSE THAT.

00:17:42.366 --> 00:17:43.366
ALIA: NO.


00:17:43.466 --> 00:17:45.133
IT FELT LIKE, I'M GOING
TO BE COMPLETELY ALONE

00:17:45.233 --> 00:17:48.166
IN THIS WORLD, AGAIN,
IF I DON'T HAVE HIM.

00:17:48.266 --> 00:17:52.100
AND SO HE TRAFFICKED ME TO
THAT ONE PERSON THAT ONE NIGHT,

00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.533
AND JUST SHOWERED
ME WITH PRAISE AFTERWARDS.

00:17:55.633 --> 00:17:57.966
AND JUST TOLD ME LIKE,
YOU DID SO GOOD

00:17:58.066 --> 00:17:59.766
AND I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.


00:17:59.866 --> 00:18:00.699
IT'S SICK!


00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:01.400
REBECCA: UGH,
IT'S SO MESSED UP.

00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:02.566
ALIA: IT'S SICK.


00:18:02.666 --> 00:18:04.200
REBECCA: DID YOU FEEL
LIKE - DID YOU IN THE MOMENT

00:18:04.300 --> 00:18:06.600
FEEL LIKE SOMETHING
WAS OFF OR WERE YOU SO LIKE

00:18:06.700 --> 00:18:08.033
IN A CLOUD OF
CONFUSION THAT YOU DIDN'T

00:18:08.133 --> 00:18:09.800
EVEN PROBABLY PUT
TWO AND TWO TOGETHER?

00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:14.233
ALIA: I KNEW THAT IT
LIKE HURT INTERNALLY,

00:18:14.333 --> 00:18:16.300
THAT IT LIKE
HURT MY HEART.

00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.700
BUT SO DID EVERY OTHER
TIME THAT I WAS ABUSED.

00:18:18.800 --> 00:18:19.800
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:18:19.900 --> 00:18:20.599
IT WAS LIKE A
SIMILAR FEELING.

00:18:20.699 --> 00:18:21.799
ALIA: YEAH.


00:18:21.899 --> 00:18:23.833
IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THIS
ISN'T REALLY ANY DIFFERENT.

00:18:23.933 --> 00:18:29.366
AND AT LEAST LIKE HE -
LOOK AT HOW HAPPY HE IS, RIGHT.

00:18:29.466 --> 00:18:32.067
IT WAS ENOUGH TO LIKE MAKE
THOSE THINGS BE QUIETER

00:18:32.167 --> 00:18:33.633
AND JUST CONTINUE
TO BELIEVE LIKE,

00:18:33.733 --> 00:18:35.733
THIS IS JUST WHAT
MY LIFE IS LIKE.

00:18:35.833 --> 00:18:38.100
OTHER PEOPLE'S
LIVES ARE DIFFERENT,

00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:39.866
AND THIS IS WHAT
IT'S LIKE FOR ME.

00:18:39.966 --> 00:18:41.666
REBECCA: BUT HE WAS
NOT - SO THE LIE WAS,

00:18:41.766 --> 00:18:44.166
HE WAS NOT SLEEPING WITH
ANYONE TO GET MONEY?

00:18:44.266 --> 00:18:45.099
ALIA: YEAH, HE WAS NOT.


00:18:45.199 --> 00:18:46.933
REBECCA: WAS HE
TRAFFICKING OTHER WOMEN?

00:18:47.033 --> 00:18:49.867
ALIA: I DON'T THINK
AT THE SAME TIME AS ME.

00:18:49.967 --> 00:18:51.700
I REALLY DON'T KNOW.


00:18:51.800 --> 00:18:55.233
WE LOOK BACK AT LIKE
THAT YOUNG TEENAGE MIND,

00:18:55.333 --> 00:18:57.200
AND I KNOW THAT I REMEMBER
THINGS DIFFERENT

00:18:57.300 --> 00:19:00.900
THAN WHAT THEY WERE IN
SOME SITUATIONS.

00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.166
SO I DON'T KNOW.


00:19:02.266 --> 00:19:04.800
NOT THAT I KNEW OF, BUT HE
WAS INVOLVED WITH OTHER PEOPLE

00:19:04.900 --> 00:19:05.800
THAT WERE
TRAFFICKING PEOPLE.

00:19:05.900 --> 00:19:06.333
REBECCA: BUT HE WAS
NOT SELLING HIMSELF,

00:19:06.433 --> 00:19:07.533
THAT WAS THE LIE.


00:19:07.633 --> 00:19:08.767
HE WAS TRYING TO NORMALIZE
IT TO YOU AND HE'S LIKE,

00:19:08.867 --> 00:19:10.100
LOOK, I DO THIS.


00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:11.166
YOU CAN DO IT, TOO.


00:19:11.266 --> 00:19:12.133
ALIA: MM-HM, YEAH.


00:19:12.233 --> 00:19:13.166
REBECCA: OKAY.


00:19:13.266 --> 00:19:14.400
ALIA: AND I DIDN'T -
IT TOOK ME YEARS TO EVEN

00:19:14.500 --> 00:19:16.366
BELIEVE OR
UNDERSTAND THAT,

00:19:16.466 --> 00:19:17.833
BECAUSE IT FELT SO TRUE.


00:19:17.933 --> 00:19:20.766
AND IT WAS WHEN I FIRST
STARTED SHARING MY STORY.

00:19:20.866 --> 00:19:23.433
MY BEST FRIEND WAS IN THE
ROOM WITH ME AS I WAS

00:19:23.533 --> 00:19:28.033
DOING AN INTERVIEW, LIKE
ONLINE, AND I SAID THAT,

00:19:28.133 --> 00:19:29.399
WELL, HE WAS
SELLING HIMSELF,

00:19:29.499 --> 00:19:32.133
AND SHE LOOKED AT ME FROM
THE OTHER ROOM

00:19:32.233 --> 00:19:33.866
AND WAS LIKE...


00:19:33.966 --> 00:19:34.866
REBECCA: NO, HE WASN'T.


00:19:34.966 --> 00:19:36.233
ALIA: AND IT CLICKED.
ALL OF A SUDDEN,

00:19:36.333 --> 00:19:37.499
IT CLICKED LIKE,
OH, MY GOSH,

00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.366
THAT WAS THE
GROOMING, ALSO.

00:19:41.466 --> 00:19:42.233
YEAH.


00:19:42.333 --> 00:19:43.133
REBECCA: OH, DANG.


00:19:43.233 --> 00:19:44.899
OKAY. SO WHAT HAPPENS
FROM THERE?

00:19:44.999 --> 00:19:45.800
ALIA: YEAH.


00:19:45.900 --> 00:19:46.600
REBECCA: SO YOU'RE 14.


00:19:46.700 --> 00:19:48.500
ALIA: I WAS
14 AT THIS POINT,

00:19:48.600 --> 00:19:51.433
AND IT JUST KEPT GOING.


00:19:51.533 --> 00:19:52.866
REBECCA: HOW LONG
WERE YOU WITH HIM FOR?

00:19:52.966 --> 00:19:54.466
ALIA: UNTIL I WAS 18.


00:19:54.566 --> 00:19:56.399
AND THERE WAS LIKE
A PERIOD OF TIME -

00:19:56.499 --> 00:19:58.333
REBECCA: WERE YOU STILL
GOING TO SCHOOL AND STUFF?

00:19:58.433 --> 00:19:59.233
ALIA: SOMETIMES.


00:19:59.333 --> 00:20:00.467
I DIDN'T GRADUATE
TENTH GRADE.

00:20:00.567 --> 00:20:02.067
REBECCA: OKAY.


00:20:02.167 --> 00:20:03.600
ALIA: SO THERE
WAS A PERIOD -

00:20:03.700 --> 00:20:05.199
WELL, MAYBE TENTH - I THINK I
STOPPED WHEN I WAS GOING

00:20:05.299 --> 00:20:07.066
INTO 11TH GRADE, SO I
GRADUATED TENTH GRADE.

00:20:07.166 --> 00:20:08.199
REBECCA: DID YOU
RUN AWAY WITH HIM?

00:20:08.299 --> 00:20:09.466
ALIA: I WOULD
RUN AWAY WITH HIM.

00:20:09.566 --> 00:20:10.966
YEAH.


00:20:11.066 --> 00:20:14.766
OR WITH BUYERS THAT
HE HAD SET UP FOR ME.

00:20:14.866 --> 00:20:16.000
AND THERE WAS A
PERIOD OF TIME WHERE

00:20:16.100 --> 00:20:18.066
HE WENT TO JAIL
FOR SIX MONTHS,

00:20:18.166 --> 00:20:20.633
AND I STARTED GETTING BACK
INTO SCHOOL AND THINGS

00:20:20.733 --> 00:20:21.766
WERE GOING WELL.


00:20:21.866 --> 00:20:23.166
AND THEN HE GOT
OUT OF JAIL,

00:20:23.266 --> 00:20:25.033
AND THINGS WENT RIGHT
BACK TO THE WAY THEY WERE

00:20:25.133 --> 00:20:28.933
BECAUSE I WAS SO BONDED TO
LIKE THE AFFIRMATION

00:20:29.033 --> 00:20:29.933
AND AFFECTION.


00:20:30.033 --> 00:20:30.800
REBECCA: YEAH,
LIKE A SOUL TIE.

00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:31.799
ALIA: IT WAS.


00:20:31.899 --> 00:20:33.333
AND A TRAUMA BOND.


00:20:33.433 --> 00:20:34.266
REBECCA: YEAH,
TRAUMA BOND.

00:20:34.366 --> 00:20:36.600
ALIA: A REALLY
COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP

00:20:36.700 --> 00:20:38.200
AND BELIEF IN MY HEAD.


00:20:38.300 --> 00:20:44.266
AND SO THIS KEPT
HAPPENING UNTIL I WAS 18.

00:20:44.366 --> 00:20:46.599
AND MY FAMILY HAD PUT ME
IN A PROGRAM IN UTAH,

00:20:46.699 --> 00:20:48.833
WHICH WAS JUST
HORRENDOUS.

00:20:48.933 --> 00:20:50.700
LIKE THE TROUBLED
TEEN INDUSTRY -

00:20:50.800 --> 00:20:52.833
REBECCA: WAIT, WAS
IT ONE OF THOSE WEIRD PROGRAMS

00:20:52.933 --> 00:20:54.867
WHERE THEY LIKE -
I WAS JUST WATCHING

00:20:54.967 --> 00:20:56.066
DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT THAT.


00:20:56.166 --> 00:20:56.933
OH, NO.


00:20:57.033 --> 00:20:57.867
SO IT JUST ADDED TO IT.


00:20:57.967 --> 00:20:59.533
ALIA: IT DID,
UNFORTUNATELY.

00:20:59.633 --> 00:21:00.899
REBECCA: UGH.


00:21:00.999 --> 00:21:02.733
I THINK THOSE PARENTS WERE
TOLD THAT IT WAS GOING TO HELP,

00:21:02.833 --> 00:21:04.333
BUT THEY DIDN'T
REALIZE THAT THOSE -

00:21:04.433 --> 00:21:05.499
THEY'RE ALWAYS IN UTAH.


00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:07.067
ANYWAYS, I'M GOING OFF
ON A SIDE NOTE.

00:21:07.167 --> 00:21:08.300
SO WHAT WAS IT LIKE?


00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:09.466
WAS IT LIKE - DID THEY
CAPTURE YOU

00:21:09.566 --> 00:21:10.433
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT?


00:21:10.533 --> 00:21:11.500
ALIA: YEP.


00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:12.666
REBECCA: YOU
DID ONE OF THOSE?

00:21:12.766 --> 00:21:13.499
ALIA: THEY CAPTURED
ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,

00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.199
AND HANDCUFFED
ME IN A CAR.

00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:16.000
REBECCA: NO!


00:21:16.100 --> 00:21:17.500
ALIA: AND
DROVE ME TO UTAH.

00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:18.566
REBECCA: OF COURSE.


00:21:18.666 --> 00:21:19.767
ALIA: AND LIKE, LORD,
BLESS MY FAMILY, THEY,

00:21:19.867 --> 00:21:23.500
MY GRANDMA, SHE HAD BEEN
TOLD THAT IT WAS GOING TO HELP

00:21:23.600 --> 00:21:25.233
AND THAT I WAS GOING
TO GET ALL THIS CARE,

00:21:25.333 --> 00:21:26.966
AND THEY SPENT -
THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.

00:21:27.066 --> 00:21:28.300
REBECCA: NO,
THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.

00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:29.900
ALIA: THEY SPENT THEIR
ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS.

00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.466
THEY GATHERED
MONEY FROM FRIENDS.

00:21:31.566 --> 00:21:33.500
LIKE THEY DID ALL THESE
THINGS TO TRY AND HELP ME.

00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:34.766
AND IT WAS HORRENDOUS.


00:21:34.866 --> 00:21:36.466
IT WAS ABSOLUTELY
HORRENDOUS.

00:21:36.566 --> 00:21:38.067
REBECCA: HOW OLD WERE YOU
WHEN THEY CAME FOR YOU?

00:21:38.167 --> 00:21:38.966
ALIA: I WAS 17.


00:21:39.066 --> 00:21:40.200
REBECCA: OH, GOSH.


00:21:40.300 --> 00:21:42.333
ALIA: AND MY FAMILY WAS
JUST TRYING TO KEEP ME ALIVE.

00:21:42.433 --> 00:21:44.400
THEY WERE REALLY JUST
TRYING TO KEEP ME ALIVE.

00:21:44.500 --> 00:21:46.433
AND AT THIS POINT, MY
GRANDMA LIKE KNEW WHAT WAS

00:21:46.533 --> 00:21:49.833
HAPPENING TO ME, BUT THEY
DIDN'T HAVE -

00:21:49.933 --> 00:21:51.566
NOBODY WAS TALKING
ABOUT TRAFFICKING.

00:21:51.666 --> 00:21:52.666
REBECCA: NO,
NOT BACK THEN.

00:21:52.766 --> 00:21:53.966
NO ONE KNEW WHAT IT WAS.


00:21:54.066 --> 00:21:55.267
ALIA: SO SHE
DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

00:21:55.367 --> 00:21:57.267
THERE WEREN'T
SERVICES AVAILABLE.

00:21:57.367 --> 00:22:00.233
SHE KNEW THAT LIKE THIS
GUY WAS FORCING ME

00:22:00.333 --> 00:22:01.400
INTO PROSTITUTION.


00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:03.533
THAT'S LIKE WHAT SHE
THOUGHT IN HER HEAD,

00:22:03.633 --> 00:22:05.567
BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE
LANGUAGE FOR LIKE,

00:22:05.667 --> 00:22:07.567
OH, THERE'S NO SUCH
THING AS A CHILD

00:22:07.667 --> 00:22:08.633
INVOLVED IN PROSTITUTION.


00:22:08.733 --> 00:22:10.033
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT.


00:22:10.133 --> 00:22:11.333
SO SHE WAS JUST TRYING
TO KEEP ME ALIVE.

00:22:11.433 --> 00:22:14.733
AND SO I TURNED 18
IN THAT PROGRAM.

00:22:14.833 --> 00:22:16.533
AND THEY HAD DONE A
LOT OF DAMAGE THERE.

00:22:16.633 --> 00:22:19.800
AND SO I CAME OUT
WORSE THAN I WENT IN.

00:22:19.900 --> 00:22:20.866
REBECCA: UGH, OH, NO!


00:22:20.966 --> 00:22:21.900
ALIA: LIKE, THEY HAD -
I HAD NOT BEEN ALLOWED

00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.933
TO TALK TO MY FAMILY
IN LIKE SIX MONTHS,

00:22:24.033 --> 00:22:26.400
EVEN THE SAFE FAMILY
THAT CARED ABOUT ME.

00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:28.633
MY MOM WAS IN
PRISON AT THIS TIME.

00:22:28.733 --> 00:22:31.366
LIKE THINGS WERE JUST SO
MUCH WORSE WHEN I LEFT

00:22:31.466 --> 00:22:33.033
THAT I REALLY BELIEVED
LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT,

00:22:33.133 --> 00:22:34.466
MY FAMILY HASN'T
BEEN THERE FOR ME,

00:22:34.566 --> 00:22:35.733
THEY SENT ME
TO THIS PLACE.

00:22:35.833 --> 00:22:37.433
BUT GUESS WHO'S GOING
TO BE THERE FOR ME?

00:22:37.533 --> 00:22:38.233
REBECCA: THE GUY.


00:22:38.333 --> 00:22:39.433
ALIA: THE GUY.


00:22:39.533 --> 00:22:42.066
AND I LEFT, AND FOUR DAYS
AFTER I GOT HOME

00:22:42.166 --> 00:22:45.300
FROM THAT PROGRAM, I WAS
BACK WITH HIM.

00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.499
AND HE DROPPED ME
OFF AT A STRIP CLUB,

00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:50.100
BECAUSE I WAS 18 AT
THIS POINT, RIGHT.

00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.900
HE JUST DROPPED ME OFF AT
THE STRIP CLUB AND WAS LIKE,

00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.800
THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE
GOING TO BE TONIGHT,

00:22:55.900 --> 00:22:57.133
LIKE GO IN THERE
AND MAKE MONEY,

00:22:57.233 --> 00:22:59.666
AND COME BACK OUT
AND GIVE IT TO ME.

00:22:59.766 --> 00:23:02.266
AND SO IT WAS LIKE, PICKED
UP RIGHT BACK WHERE HE LEFT OFF,

00:23:02.366 --> 00:23:04.100
EXCEPT FOR
THIS TIME, I WAS 18.

00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:05.200
AND SO THAT MEANS...


00:23:05.300 --> 00:23:06.333
REBECCA: SO
HE COULD DO MORE.

00:23:06.433 --> 00:23:07.800
ALIA: HE COULD DO MORE,
AND IT MEANT THAT LIKE

00:23:07.900 --> 00:23:10.233
THE POLICE WEREN'T LOOKING
FOR ME ANYMORE.

00:23:10.333 --> 00:23:11.599
REBECCA: DID HE
TAKE ALL THE MONEY?

00:23:11.699 --> 00:23:12.567
ALIA: HE TOOK
EVERYTHING.

00:23:12.667 --> 00:23:13.433
REBECCA: UGH.


00:23:13.533 --> 00:23:14.266
ALIA: YEAH.


00:23:14.366 --> 00:23:15.300
REBECCA: THIS IS SO BAD.


00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:16.266
ALIA: HE DID.


00:23:16.366 --> 00:23:17.533
HE WOULD LIKE TAKE ME TO
GET MY NAILS DONE

00:23:17.633 --> 00:23:20.333
OR LIKE TAKE ME TO GO SHOPPING,
AND THAT WAS ENOUGH LIKE,

00:23:20.433 --> 00:23:22.299
AS A TEENAGE GIRL, RIGHT.


00:23:22.399 --> 00:23:23.933
LIKE, YOU'RE NOT
USED TO HAVING MONEY.

00:23:24.033 --> 00:23:25.500
IT'S LIKE...


00:23:25.600 --> 00:23:26.633
REBECCA: SO THIS IS HOW
YOU'RE BEING TRAFFICKED,

00:23:26.733 --> 00:23:28.733
BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE
YOU WERE WORKING,

00:23:28.833 --> 00:23:30.200
HE WAS USING YOU TO
MAKE ALL THIS MONEY,

00:23:30.300 --> 00:23:31.533
AND IT WAS ALL
GOING TO HIM.

00:23:31.633 --> 00:23:32.866
ALIA: YEAH, IT
WAS ALL GOING TO HIM.

00:23:32.966 --> 00:23:33.866
YEAH.


00:23:33.966 --> 00:23:34.966
REBECCA: SO
WHAT HAPPENED?

00:23:35.066 --> 00:23:36.233
SO YOU BROKE OFF
WITH HIM AT 18,

00:23:36.333 --> 00:23:37.399
WHAT HAPPENED THERE?


00:23:37.499 --> 00:23:38.433
ALIA: YEAH.


00:23:38.533 --> 00:23:41.067
SO I HEARD ANOTHER
SURVIVOR PUT IT THIS WAY,

00:23:41.167 --> 00:23:43.966
AND SO I'VE STOLEN THE
WAY THAT SHE PUT IT, WAS,

00:23:44.066 --> 00:23:45.933
AS I GOT OLDER,
MY NEEDS CHANGED,

00:23:46.033 --> 00:23:47.833
AND SO MY
TRAFFICKERS CHANGED.

00:23:47.933 --> 00:23:48.633
REBECCA: OH, WOW.


00:23:48.733 --> 00:23:49.699
ALIA: RIGHT.


00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:54.699
AND SO LIKE HE WANTED TO
DO THINGS IN THIS WAY

00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:55.766
OF ME BEING AT
THE STRIP CLUB.

00:23:55.866 --> 00:23:57.300
AND ONCE I WAS INTRODUCED
TO THE STRIP CLUB,

00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:00.833
I WAS LIKE, THEY SOLD ME
A WHOLE 'NOTHER LIE

00:24:00.933 --> 00:24:02.800
OF GLAMOUR, RIGHT.


00:24:02.900 --> 00:24:05.166
AND I'D BEEN A MINOR WHO
WAS BEING TRAFFICKED IN

00:24:05.266 --> 00:24:07.966
LIKE REALLY NASTY HOTEL
ROOMS AND REALLY

00:24:08.066 --> 00:24:10.367
DIRTY SITUATIONS, AND NOW
I WAS IN THIS SCRIP CLUB

00:24:10.467 --> 00:24:12.767
WITH THESE GIRLS THAT WERE
TELLING ME LIKE,

00:24:12.867 --> 00:24:15.967
OH, THEY'RE LIKE, I CAN TEACH
YOU SOMETHING BETTER,

00:24:16.067 --> 00:24:17.733
LIKE I CAN INTRODUCE
YOU TO A BETTER GUY,

00:24:17.833 --> 00:24:19.666
LIKE THIS GUY'S LIKE
LIVING IN HIS CAR,

00:24:19.766 --> 00:24:21.399
LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO
LET HIM DO, YOU KNOW.

00:24:21.499 --> 00:24:26.500
AND SO I REALLY FELL FOR
JUST THAT LIE OF GLAMOUR

00:24:26.600 --> 00:24:29.333
AND LIKE, HEY, THIS IS
WHERE GIRLS LIKE US

00:24:29.433 --> 00:24:31.466
COME TO GET THEIR
LIFE TOGETHER.

00:24:31.566 --> 00:24:33.766
LIKE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE
BEEN WORKING FOR,

00:24:33.866 --> 00:24:36.500
THIS IS BETTER THAN WHAT'S
BEEN HAPPENING TO YOU.

00:24:36.600 --> 00:24:39.433
AND SO, BUT YOU PUT
YOURSELF IN THOSE SITUATIONS

00:24:39.533 --> 00:24:41.633
OR YOU GET
PUT IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

00:24:41.733 --> 00:24:44.833
AND IT'S NOT SAFE PEOPLE
THAT YOU'RE AROUND, RIGHT.

00:24:44.933 --> 00:24:47.800
AND SO I MET SOMEBODY IN
THE STRIP CLUB

00:24:47.900 --> 00:24:52.200
WHO SAID THE SAME THING,
LIKE, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

00:24:52.300 --> 00:24:53.966
LIKE, YOU'RE TOO PRETTY
TO BE WORKING UNTIL

00:24:54.066 --> 00:24:55.133
4:00 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.


00:24:55.233 --> 00:24:58.833
YOU SHOULD COME WORK WITH
ME IN LIKE,

00:24:58.933 --> 00:25:01.133
HE CALLED IT "MODELING".


00:25:01.233 --> 00:25:02.167
COME WORK FOR ME
IN "MODELING."

00:25:02.267 --> 00:25:03.367
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT
THEY ALWAYS CALL IT.

00:25:03.467 --> 00:25:04.600
ALIA: EXACTLY.


00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:05.767
REBECCA: WHICH
SOUNDS GLAMOROUS.

00:25:05.867 --> 00:25:06.633
ALIA: IT DOES!


00:25:06.733 --> 00:25:08.399
IT DOES SOUND GLAMOROUS.


00:25:08.499 --> 00:25:12.666
AND I, FOR A KID WHO THOSE
THINGS HAD BEEN SO OUT OF REACH

00:25:12.766 --> 00:25:16.500
AND WHO REALLY LIKE
WANTED TO BE TOLD

00:25:16.600 --> 00:25:18.900
THAT THEY WERE VALUABLE
AND BEAUTIFUL,

00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.133
THAT WAS - LIKE, THAT
SEEMED REALLY ATTRACTIVE.

00:25:21.233 --> 00:25:23.966
AND THEN THE MODELING
WASN'T MODELING.

00:25:24.066 --> 00:25:25.600
IT WAS PORN.


00:25:25.700 --> 00:25:27.966
AND IT WAS ANOTHER - LIKE,
HE INTRODUCED ME TO

00:25:28.066 --> 00:25:29.833
HIS GIRLFRIEND WHO
WAS INVOLVED.

00:25:29.933 --> 00:25:34.300
AND SHE LIKE MADE IT SEEM
LIKE IT WAS ALL JUST ALL THAT

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:35.933
AND A BAG OF CHIPS,
RIGHT, LIKE IT WAS,

00:25:36.033 --> 00:25:38.499
OH, ALL THOSE THINGS HAPPENED
TO ME WHEN I WAS YOUNG.

00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.067
I WAS LIKE - I HAD A
BOYFRIEND WHO DID THAT TO ME.

00:25:41.167 --> 00:25:42.667
MY MOM'S BOYFRIEND
DID THAT TO ME.

00:25:42.767 --> 00:25:44.133
AND NOW LOOK AT ME AND
LOOK AT THIS HOUSE

00:25:44.233 --> 00:25:45.699
THAT I LIVE IN.


00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:47.900
AT THIS POINT, I'M A
SINGLE MOM, RIGHT,

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.866
LIKE I HAVE A LITTLE BABY
AND I'M LIKE LIVING IN

00:25:50.966 --> 00:25:52.866
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, COULD
BARELY PAY RENT

00:25:52.966 --> 00:25:55.633
WITHOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF.


00:25:55.733 --> 00:25:59.466
AND SO THEY LIKE HAD
ME SIGN THIS CONTRACT,

00:25:59.566 --> 00:26:02.133
AND I ESSENTIALLY LIKE
SIGNED ME WHOLE LIFE OVER.

00:26:02.233 --> 00:26:02.999
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.


00:26:03.099 --> 00:26:04.033
ALIA: MM-HM.


00:26:04.133 --> 00:26:04.667
REBECCA: DID YOU
REALIZE WHAT YOU WERE DOING

00:26:04.767 --> 00:26:05.400
WHEN YOU SIGNED IT?


00:26:05.500 --> 00:26:06.367
ALIA: NO.


00:26:06.467 --> 00:26:07.567
I LIKE - I HAD -


00:26:07.667 --> 00:26:08.567
REBECCA: YOU JUST HAD
THE PROMISE OF A BETTER LIFE.

00:26:08.667 --> 00:26:09.899
ALIA: I HAD THE
PROMISE OF A BETTER LIFE.

00:26:09.999 --> 00:26:10.833
AND NO.


00:26:10.933 --> 00:26:12.833
LIKE, I HADN'T
FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL,

00:26:12.933 --> 00:26:15.900
I DIDN'T KNOW LIKE WHAT TO
LOOK FOR IN A CONTRACT.

00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:16.900
REBECCA: YOU
HAD TO MAKE MONEY,

00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:18.100
YOU HAD A BABY.


00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.767
ALIA: AND I FELT LIKE
I COULD TRUST THIS GIRL, TOO.

00:26:20.867 --> 00:26:21.933
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:26:22.033 --> 00:26:23.299
SO HE USED THE
GIRL TO SELL...

00:26:23.399 --> 00:26:24.566
ALIA: YEAH.


00:26:24.666 --> 00:26:25.800
REBECCA: WAS SHE BEING
TRAFFICKED TOO,

00:26:25.900 --> 00:26:27.200
OR WAS SHE JUST IN A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM?

00:26:27.300 --> 00:26:29.000
ALIA: I DON'T KNOW.


00:26:29.100 --> 00:26:31.700
THEY'RE KIND OF ALL - THE HARD
THING ABOUT THE PORN INDUSTRY

00:26:31.800 --> 00:26:36.100
IS THEY'RE ALL - IT'S ALL
MIXED UP TOGETHER, RIGHT.

00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.866
LIKE, THOSE LINES ARE
REALLY BLURRY, YEAH.

00:26:39.966 --> 00:26:41.599
AND THAT'S WHAT
TRAFFICKERS,

00:26:41.699 --> 00:26:45.500
FROM THE HIGHEST, THAT'S
WHAT EPSTEIN DID WITH,

00:26:45.600 --> 00:26:47.333
GOSH, HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE
THAT LADY'S NAME?

00:26:47.433 --> 00:26:48.666
I DON'T KNOW I'VE EVER
SAID IT OUT LOUD.

00:26:48.766 --> 00:26:49.767
REBECCA: GHISLAINE MAXWELL.


00:26:49.867 --> 00:26:51.799
ALIA: THAT'S WHAT -
LIKE SHE'S ACCOUNTABLE FOR

00:26:51.899 --> 00:26:54.299
THE THINGS THAT SHE DID,
BUT HE GROOMED HER, TOO,

00:26:54.399 --> 00:26:56.266
AND USED A WOMAN
TO DO THAT.

00:26:56.366 --> 00:26:58.866
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE
WITH LIKE TRAFFICKERS,

00:26:58.966 --> 00:27:01.967
LIKE THE ONE THAT I HAD WITH
VERY YOUNG GIRLS

00:27:02.067 --> 00:27:05.033
AND SENDING THEM INTO GROUP
HOMES TO RECRUIT OTHER GIRLS.

00:27:05.133 --> 00:27:09.367
LIKE, WE SEE THAT
TRAFFICKERS USE OTHER PEOPLE

00:27:09.467 --> 00:27:11.266
WHO HAVE BEEN
VICTIMIZED IN THE SAME WAY

00:27:11.366 --> 00:27:14.066
TO GROOM AND TO
MAKE IT SEEM NORMAL.

00:27:14.166 --> 00:27:16.067
REBECCA: SO THE WORLD
REALLY MUCH OPERATES IN

00:27:16.167 --> 00:27:18.000
LIKE SECRECY,
MANIPULATION,

00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:20.966
GOING AFTER BASICALLY
VULNERABLE, ABUSED PEOPLE.

00:27:21.066 --> 00:27:23.833
AND IT'S LIKE A
PERPETUAL CYCLE.

00:27:23.933 --> 00:27:27.733
AND SO YOU SIGNED THIS
CONTRACT TO DO PORN?

00:27:27.833 --> 00:27:28.499
LIKE...


00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:29.433
ALIA: YEAH.


00:27:29.533 --> 00:27:30.633
REBECCA: HOW LONG
WAS THE CONTRACT FOR?

00:27:30.733 --> 00:27:32.900
LIKE WHAT WAS LIKE
- WERE YOU STUCK?

00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.500
LIKE, DID YOU HAVE TO PAY
OFF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY?

00:27:34.600 --> 00:27:36.199
HOW DID IT WORK?


00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:38.066
ALIA: SO I STILL DON'T
REMEMBER A LOT OF THE THINGS

00:27:38.166 --> 00:27:40.400
IN THE CONTRACT, BECAUSE I
REALLY DIDN'T READ IT.

00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:41.600
THE THINGS THAT
I DO REMEMBER -

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:42.899
REBECCA: WELL, THOSE
THINGS ARE INTENSE, ANYWAY.

00:27:42.999 --> 00:27:44.000
ALIA: IT IS!


00:27:44.100 --> 00:27:44.800
REBECCA: YOU'RE YOUNG
AND YOU'RE JUST DESPERATE

00:27:44.900 --> 00:27:45.666
TO MAKE MONEY.


00:27:45.766 --> 00:27:46.667
YOU'RE LIKE, SURE,
I'LL SIGN IT.

00:27:46.767 --> 00:27:47.833
OH, GOSH, YOU
JUST DON'T KNOW.

00:27:47.933 --> 00:27:48.766
ALIA: A
HUNDRED PERCENT.

00:27:48.866 --> 00:27:51.299
AND I WAS SO
USED TO LIKE...

00:27:51.399 --> 00:27:52.233
REBECCA: IT'S NOT LIKE
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LAWYER

00:27:52.333 --> 00:27:53.266
YOU'RE GOING TO
CALL UP AND BE LIKE,

00:27:53.366 --> 00:27:55.000
HEY, CAN YOU CHECK OUT
THIS CONTACT FOR ME?

00:27:55.100 --> 00:27:56.200
ALIA: NO.


00:27:56.300 --> 00:27:58.533
BUT, OF COURSE, THEY HAD
A LAWYER WHO WROTE IT, RIGHT.

00:27:58.633 --> 00:27:59.366
REBECCA: MM-HM.


00:27:59.466 --> 00:28:00.133
BECAUSE THEY'RE
PROFESSIONALS.

00:28:00.233 --> 00:28:01.399
ALIA: MM-HM.


00:28:01.499 --> 00:28:04.733
AND, OF COURSE, THE LAWYER
WHO WROTE IT WORKED FOR THEM.

00:28:04.833 --> 00:28:07.766
AND SO IT'S MEANT
TO PROTECT THEM, RIGHT?

00:28:07.866 --> 00:28:08.900
REBECCA: AND
EXPLOIT YOU.

00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.833
ALIA: AND SO I DON'T
REMEMBER THE LENGTH OF TIME

00:28:10.933 --> 00:28:11.900
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT,


00:28:12.033 --> 00:28:15.333
BUT IT WAS LIKE THEY HAVE
ALL RIGHTS TO EVERYTHING

00:28:15.433 --> 00:28:17.233
THAT WAS PRODUCED, AND
THERE WERE CERTAIN

00:28:17.333 --> 00:28:20.499
EXPECTATIONS ON ME,
LIKE MY PHYSICAL BODY,

00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:22.999
LIKE PHYSICAL EXPECTATIONS
OF WHAT I COULD DO WITH

00:28:23.099 --> 00:28:26.000
MY HAIR AND WITH MY BODY
AND LIKE WEIGHT-WISE,

00:28:26.100 --> 00:28:26.933
AND THINGS LIKE THAT.


00:28:27.033 --> 00:28:27.800
REBECCA: DANG.


00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:29.533
ALIA: PLASTIC SURGERY.


00:28:29.633 --> 00:28:33.066
LIKE NOT ALLOWING LIKE,
NOT THAT I WANTED TO,

00:28:33.166 --> 00:28:35.233
AT THAT TIME, BUT LIKE THERE
WERE THINGS IN THERE ABOUT

00:28:35.333 --> 00:28:36.966
LIKE, IF YOU WERE GOING
TO HAVE PLASTIC SURGERY,

00:28:37.066 --> 00:28:39.333
YOU HAD TO GET IT
APPROVED BY YOUR MANAGER.

00:28:39.433 --> 00:28:41.233
LIKE SO THIS PERSON
REALLY HAD CONTROL

00:28:41.333 --> 00:28:43.633
OVER YOUR BODY, RIGHT.


00:28:43.733 --> 00:28:47.033
IT ALSO HAD, LIKE, I HAD TO
PAY HIM A CERTAIN AMOUNT

00:28:47.133 --> 00:28:50.166
OF MONEY FROM EVERY SHOOT.


00:28:50.266 --> 00:28:51.500
AND THEN I WOULD
GET SOME OF IT.

00:28:51.600 --> 00:28:53.767
AND TO ME, THAT FELT LIKE,
I'M GOING TO GET

00:28:53.867 --> 00:28:55.600
SOME OF THIS MONEY, RIGHT.


00:28:55.700 --> 00:28:58.133
LIKE I WAS ALREADY USED TO
HAVING SOMEBODY THAT WAS

00:28:58.233 --> 00:28:59.299
GOING TO TAKE MY MONEY.


00:28:59.399 --> 00:29:02.500
I WAS ALREADY USED TO LIKE
EXCHANGING SEX FOR MONEY.

00:29:02.600 --> 00:29:04.766
LIKE THESE THINGS
SEEMED REALLY NORMAL.

00:29:04.866 --> 00:29:07.533
AND IN MY HEAD, IT WAS
KINDA SOLD TO ME LIKE -

00:29:07.633 --> 00:29:08.499
REBECCA:
LIKE A STEP UP.

00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:10.167
LIKE, OH, YOU GET SOME
OF THE MONEY NOW.

00:29:10.267 --> 00:29:11.733
WELL, THIS IS A
NICER ENVIRONMENT.

00:29:11.833 --> 00:29:12.766
ALIA: YEAH.


00:29:12.866 --> 00:29:15.099
FOR LIKE A GIRL LIKE YOU,
THIS IS THE BEST

00:29:15.199 --> 00:29:17.267
IT'S GOING TO BE.


00:29:17.367 --> 00:29:19.899
THIS IS THE BEST THAT'S
OUT THERE FOR YOU.

00:29:19.999 --> 00:29:24.733
AND LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY
ACCESS TO LIKE A CAREER,

00:29:24.833 --> 00:29:25.967
LIKE THE WAY THEY SOLD IT.


00:29:26.067 --> 00:29:28.700
AND THEY ALSO, JUST LIKE
MY ORIGINAL TRAFFICKER,

00:29:28.800 --> 00:29:31.500
SOLD IT LIKE THE
IDEA OF FAMILY.

00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:32.567
REBECCA: OH, REALLY?


00:29:32.667 --> 00:29:34.066
SO THEY PULLED THAT
ANGLE ON YOU AGAIN?

00:29:34.166 --> 00:29:35.366
ALIA: YEAH.


00:29:35.466 --> 00:29:37.466
AND WE'RE A FAMILY HERE.


00:29:37.566 --> 00:29:40.700
LIKE, LET'S GO GET OUR
NAILS DONE TOGETHER

00:29:40.800 --> 00:29:43.700
AND LIKE LET'S GO DO
ALL OF THESE THINGS.

00:29:43.800 --> 00:29:47.067
AND IT WAS THE SAME LIE
COMING FROM A DIFFERENT MOUTH.

00:29:47.133 --> 00:29:53.800
AND SO THAT CONTRACT THAT
I SIGNED WAS STEPPING INTO

00:29:53.900 --> 00:29:56.466
THIS ENTIRE INDUSTRY
THAT IS REALLY

00:29:56.566 --> 00:29:57.833
BUILT ON TRAFFICKING.


00:29:57.933 --> 00:29:59.899
LIKE, PEOPLE WANT TO
BELIEVE THAT THAT

00:29:59.999 --> 00:30:01.033
INDUSTRY HAS A LOT OF CONSENT.


00:30:01.133 --> 00:30:02.433
AND I THINK THERE ARE A
LOT OF GIRLS WHO THINK

00:30:02.533 --> 00:30:03.733
THAT THEY'RE CONSENTING.


00:30:03.833 --> 00:30:06.899
I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU
LIKE, NO, THIS IS GREAT.

00:30:06.999 --> 00:30:09.100
LIKE, I WOULD HAVE
TOLD YOU I WAS THERE

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.233
COMPLETELY OF FREE WILL.


00:30:10.333 --> 00:30:14.100
IN FACT, WHEN YOU'RE IN A
FILM, THEY VIDEOTAPE YOU,

00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.700
AND YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE
THIS CONSENT TAPE,

00:30:16.800 --> 00:30:19.133
WHICH SAYS LIKE,
HI, THIS IS MY NAME,

00:30:19.233 --> 00:30:21.033
I'M HERE LIKE OF
MY OWN FREE WILL,

00:30:21.133 --> 00:30:22.966
THERE'S NO DRUGS HERE,
I'M NOT ON ANY DRUGS,

00:30:23.066 --> 00:30:25.667
NOBODY'S FORCING ME TO
DO ANY OF THESE THINGS.

00:30:25.767 --> 00:30:28.733
AND YOU HAVE TO DO
THAT TO GET PAID.

00:30:28.833 --> 00:30:31.266
AND, LIKE, THERE CAN BE A
TABLE FULL OF COKE,

00:30:31.366 --> 00:30:33.499
LIKE JUST OUT OF FRAME, RIGHT.


00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:34.999
AND SO ALL OF
THOSE THINGS THAT,

00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:37.633
THOSE LEGAL THINGS
THAT THEY SAY,

00:30:37.733 --> 00:30:38.867
PEOPLE ARE THERE
FOR CONSENT,

00:30:38.967 --> 00:30:40.066
IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.


00:30:40.166 --> 00:30:42.733
AND NOBODY IN PORN HAS
TAKEN A COURSE

00:30:42.833 --> 00:30:44.633
ON WHAT CONSENT IS.


00:30:44.733 --> 00:30:45.999
LIKE NO ONE KNOWS.


00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:48.333
I DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT CONSENT WAS.

00:30:48.433 --> 00:30:51.100
LIKE, I THOUGHT AS LONG
AS I WASN'T BEING LIKE

00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.833
PHYSICALLY HELD DOWN OR
TIED TO SOMETHING,

00:30:53.933 --> 00:30:55.767
THAT I WAS CONSENTING.


00:30:55.867 --> 00:30:57.999
I DIDN'T KNOW LIKE WHAT
COERCION WAS

00:30:58.099 --> 00:31:00.433
OR HOW I COULD BE MANIPULATED.


00:31:00.533 --> 00:31:02.099
AND THE ENTIRE PORN
INDUSTRY RUNS ON

00:31:02.199 --> 00:31:04.400
MANIPULATION
AND COERCION.

00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:05.366
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:31:05.466 --> 00:31:06.500
SO HOW LONG WERE YOU
IN THAT WORLD FOR?

00:31:06.600 --> 00:31:09.200
ALIA: SO I WAS ALWAYS
IN AND OUT OF THAT WORLD.

00:31:09.300 --> 00:31:11.600
LIKE I WOULD BE IN FOR A
LITTLE WHILE AND THEN MY LIFE

00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:13.400
WOULD JUST GET SO, SO
MESSY THAT I WOULD BE OUT

00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:16.100
FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I
WOULD STILL BE LIKE

00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.700
AT THE STRIP CLUB OR I WOULD
HAVE A BOYFRIEND

00:31:17.800 --> 00:31:18.999
THAT WAS TRAFFICKING ME.


00:31:19.099 --> 00:31:23.666
THE NEXT LIKE, FROM 20 TO 27,
I WAS IN AND OUT OF EITHER

00:31:23.766 --> 00:31:25.933
A RELATIONSHIP WHERE I
WAS BEING TRAFFICKED,

00:31:26.033 --> 00:31:29.133
OR A RELATIONSHIP WHERE
SOMEBODY TOLD ME LIKE,

00:31:29.233 --> 00:31:30.733
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE
THAT WAY ANYMORE,

00:31:30.833 --> 00:31:32.033
YOU DON'T HAVE TO
BE IN PORN ANYMORE,

00:31:32.133 --> 00:31:33.567
I'M GOING TO
TAKE CARE OF YOU.

00:31:33.667 --> 00:31:35.733
AND I WOULD GO INTO
THOSE RELATIONSHIPS,

00:31:35.833 --> 00:31:37.167
BUT THEY WERE ALWAYS LIKE
WITH SOMEBODY WHO WAS

00:31:37.267 --> 00:31:39.000
REALLY PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE.


00:31:39.100 --> 00:31:40.133
AND IT WAS LIKE A CYCLE.


00:31:40.233 --> 00:31:41.767
IT WAS LIKE I WAS
DOING THE SAME THING,

00:31:41.867 --> 00:31:42.700
OVER AND OVER.


00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:43.466
REBECCA: JUST ONE
THING OR THE OTHER.

00:31:43.566 --> 00:31:44.433
ALIA: MM-HM.
OVER AND OVER.

00:31:44.533 --> 00:31:45.500
REBECCA: HOW LONG WERE
YOU WITH THAT GUY

00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:47.667
AND THE GIRLFRIEND WITH
THE CONTRACT?

00:31:47.767 --> 00:31:48.933
ALIA: SO THEY WERE LIKE
MY MANAGER WHEN I WAS IN

00:31:49.033 --> 00:31:50.900
AND OUT OF PORN
THAT WHOLE TIME.

00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.299
REBECCA: SO THEY WERE
BENEFITING THE WHOLE TIME.

00:31:52.399 --> 00:31:53.033
ALIA: YEAH.


00:31:53.133 --> 00:31:54.466
WHEN I WOULD DO PORN.


00:31:54.566 --> 00:31:56.533
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE
GO INTO A DIFFERENT

00:31:56.633 --> 00:31:58.866
RELATIONSHIP OR WHATEVER.


00:31:58.966 --> 00:32:01.533
BUT I WAS IN AND OUT OF
THEIR "MANAGEMENT COMPANY"

00:32:01.633 --> 00:32:03.500
FROM 20 TO 27.


00:32:03.600 --> 00:32:05.666
REBECCA: SO WHAT WAS
THE PORN WORLD LIKE?

00:32:05.766 --> 00:32:07.866
SO YOU SAID THERE'S
A LOT OF DRUGS.

00:32:07.966 --> 00:32:09.167
ALIA: YEAH.


00:32:09.267 --> 00:32:11.533
REBECCA: SO A LOT OF PEOPLE
THERE ARE BEING MANIPULATIVE,

00:32:11.633 --> 00:32:13.599
EVEN IF THEY
SAY THAT THEY'RE THERE

00:32:13.699 --> 00:32:17.167
OF THEIR FREE WILL, A
LOT OF GIRLS AND GUYS?

00:32:17.267 --> 00:32:18.067
ALIA: AND MEN.


00:32:18.167 --> 00:32:18.767
REBECCA: REALLY?


00:32:18.867 --> 00:32:20.599
ALIA: YEAH. I HAVE A MALE,


00:32:20.699 --> 00:32:24.467
A FRIEND WHO WAS A
MALE PORN PERFORMER,

00:32:24.567 --> 00:32:26.600
AND HE'S A
PASTOR IN OHIO NOW

00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:28.767
WITH LIKE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.


00:32:28.867 --> 00:32:30.000
HIS NAME IS JOSHUA BROOME.


00:32:30.100 --> 00:32:31.200
HE'S INCREDIBLE.


00:32:31.300 --> 00:32:33.733
AND LIKE, IT'S SO INTERESTING
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

00:32:33.833 --> 00:32:36.400
OUR EXPERIENCES
TOGETHER THAT LIKE FROM

00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:38.667
THE MALE SIDE, HE WAS
DEALING WITH SO MUCH

00:32:38.767 --> 00:32:41.100
OF THE SAME THINGS.


00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.099
AND THEY WILL
MANIPULATE YOU.

00:32:43.199 --> 00:32:45.466
SO YOU WALK INTO PORN AND
YOU HAVE THESE CERTAIN THINGS

00:32:45.566 --> 00:32:46.666
THAT YOU SAY
YOU WON'T DO, RIGHT.

00:32:46.766 --> 00:32:48.099
LIKE, I WON'T DO THESE
KINDS OF SCENES,

00:32:48.199 --> 00:32:49.466
I WON'T DO THESE
KINDS OF SEX ACTS,

00:32:49.566 --> 00:32:51.133
I WON'T DO THOSE THINGS.


00:32:51.233 --> 00:32:52.200
REBECCA: DID YOU
STIPULATE THAT

00:32:52.300 --> 00:32:52.833
BEFORE YOU DID YOURS?


00:32:52.933 --> 00:32:53.733
ALIA: YEAH.


00:32:53.833 --> 00:32:54.733
AND THEY TELL YOU,
YOU CAN DO THOSE.

00:32:54.833 --> 00:32:56.033
LIKE THAT'S FINE, LIKE
HAVE YOUR NO LIST,

00:32:56.133 --> 00:32:57.299
IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.


00:32:57.399 --> 00:33:00.667
AND THEN AS TIME GOES
ON, THEY START TO LIKE

00:33:00.767 --> 00:33:02.933
MANIPULATE YOUR NO
LIST LOWER AND LOWER.

00:33:03.033 --> 00:33:05.233
WELL, I CAN'T BOOK
YOU THINGS ANYMORE.

00:33:05.333 --> 00:33:08.666
LIKE, YOU CAN'T - I CAN'T
GET YOU WORK ANYMORE

00:33:08.766 --> 00:33:10.833
BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO LIKE
YOU'RE TOO GOOD

00:33:10.933 --> 00:33:11.899
FOR ALL OF THIS.


00:33:11.999 --> 00:33:13.499
YOU'RE TOO GOOD TO
DO THIS OR THAT.

00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.500
AND THEY'LL SAY THOSE
THINGS AND BEAT YOU DOWN

00:33:15.600 --> 00:33:16.466
TO WHERE YOU FEEL
LIKE, OKAY,

00:33:16.566 --> 00:33:18.367
WELL, I GUESS
I HAVE TO SAY YES

00:33:18.467 --> 00:33:20.566
OR ELSE
I'M OUT ON MY BUTT.

00:33:20.666 --> 00:33:23.299
LIKE, I CAN'T WORK ANYMORE
AND I'VE GOT KIDS

00:33:23.399 --> 00:33:24.700
AND, LIKE, I DON'T
KNOW WHAT TO DO.

00:33:24.800 --> 00:33:27.866
AND SO I GUESS, OKAY, LIKE
I GUESS I'LL DO THAT.

00:33:27.966 --> 00:33:29.600
I'LL DO THAT THING THAT
I SAID I WOULDN'T DO.

00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:31.000
AND THAT'S COERCION.


00:33:31.100 --> 00:33:32.467
LIKE, THAT'S MANIPULATION.


00:33:32.567 --> 00:33:33.866
AND FOR SOMETHING
TO BE TRAFFICKING,

00:33:33.966 --> 00:33:37.066
IT HAS TO HAVE FORCED
FRAUD OR COERCION, RIGHT.

00:33:37.166 --> 00:33:40.299
AND SO THE WHOLE PORN
INDUSTRY RUNS ON COERCION.

00:33:40.399 --> 00:33:41.833
I REMEMBER -


00:33:41.933 --> 00:33:43.866
REBECCA: WAS IT
A SAFE ENVIRONMENT?

00:33:43.966 --> 00:33:44.733
ALIA: NO.


00:33:44.833 --> 00:33:45.666
REBECCA: OKAY.


00:33:45.766 --> 00:33:46.833
ALIA: THEY'RE NOT
A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

00:33:46.933 --> 00:33:47.866
REBECCA: BECAUSE THEY
ALWAYS TRY TO SAY THAT, TOO.

00:33:47.966 --> 00:33:49.133
THEY SAY IT'S SAFE AND
CLEAN, BUT I'M LIKE,

00:33:49.233 --> 00:33:50.133
I HIGHLY DOUBT IT.


00:33:50.233 --> 00:33:51.033
ALIA: NO. IT'S NOT.


00:33:51.133 --> 00:33:53.866
IT'S NOT SAFE.


00:33:53.966 --> 00:33:56.433
LIKE, YOU HAVE TO GET
TESTED AND THINGS LIKE THAT,

00:33:56.533 --> 00:33:59.900
BUT - AND SO I'D SAY
IT'S PROBABLY MORE SAFE

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.000
IN THAT WAY THAN
IN OTHER WAYS.

00:34:03.100 --> 00:34:05.333
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF
SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT HAPPENS.

00:34:05.433 --> 00:34:09.699
AND IT'S NOT THE MEN IN
LIKE THAT PEOPLE ARE

00:34:09.799 --> 00:34:11.000
WATCHING IN PORN THAT
ARE PERPETUATING

00:34:11.100 --> 00:34:12.733
THE SEXUAL ASSAULTS.


00:34:12.833 --> 00:34:16.333
LIKE, THOSE MEN ARE BEING
VICTIMIZED IN SO MANY WAYS.

00:34:16.433 --> 00:34:19.099
SO MANY OF THEM ARE
TRAFFICKED OFF-SCREEN.

00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.800
IT'S REALLY AWFUL, THE
THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO THE MEN

00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:23.033
THAT ARE PERFORMING.


00:34:23.133 --> 00:34:24.933
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
PERPETUATING THE SEXUAL ASSAULTS

00:34:25.033 --> 00:34:28.900
OFF-CAMERA ARE THE
PRODUCERS AND THE MANAGERS.

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.266
LIKE, THEY ARE LIKE ASKING
LIKE WILL FORCE GIRLS

00:34:32.366 --> 00:34:35.233
AND MEN INTO SEX ACTS
OFF-CAMERA THAT THEY DON'T

00:34:35.333 --> 00:34:37.800
WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN.


00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:41.200
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF VIOLENCE
THAT HAPPENS OFF-SCREEN,

00:34:41.300 --> 00:34:45.333
AND A LOT OF
LIKE, CONTRACT COERCION.

00:34:45.433 --> 00:34:47.066
AND SO THEY'LL HOLD THAT
CONTRACT THAT YOU DON'T

00:34:47.166 --> 00:34:49.133
REALLY REMEMBER, BECAUSE
YOU'RE PROBABLY HIGH

00:34:49.233 --> 00:34:52.066
WHEN YOU SIGNED IT OR
YOU WERE 20 OR YOU WERE 18,

00:34:52.166 --> 00:34:55.133
AND HAVE NEVER LOOKED AT A
CONTRACT BEFORE IN YOUR LIFE.

00:34:55.233 --> 00:34:56.533
AND THEY'LL HOLD THAT
CONTRACT AND BE LIKE,

00:34:56.633 --> 00:34:59.166
WELL, IF YOU DON'T - YOU
SIGNED ON TO DO

00:34:59.266 --> 00:35:01.066
X MANY FILMS OR WHATEVER,
AND IF YOU DON'T,

00:35:01.166 --> 00:35:03.533
WE'RE GOING TO SUE YOU.


00:35:03.633 --> 00:35:05.233
AND SO THEY'RE FORCING
PEOPLE TO STAY

00:35:05.333 --> 00:35:07.033
IN THESE SITUATIONS.


00:35:07.133 --> 00:35:08.767
REBECCA: I KNOW PORN IS
SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM,

00:35:08.867 --> 00:35:11.167
AND IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM
IN THE CHURCH.

00:35:11.267 --> 00:35:14.166
AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO ANYONE
THAT STRUGGLES WITH IT,

00:35:14.266 --> 00:35:15.667
BECAUSE SO MANY
PEOPLE, ONCE AGAIN,

00:35:15.767 --> 00:35:16.900
GET EXPOSED TO IT VERY
YOUNG AND THEY GET

00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.300
ADDICTED TO IT.


00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.566
BUT I DON'T THINK A LOT
OF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THAT WORLD

00:35:21.666 --> 00:35:25.300
IS LIKE AND HOW MOST OF
THOSE PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS.

00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:28.100
AND WHAT'S SO CRAZY IS
THAT LIKE IN TODAY'S AGE,

00:35:28.200 --> 00:35:30.133
WHAT YOU ALWAYS HEAR
ABOUT IS LIKE ONLYFANS,

00:35:30.233 --> 00:35:32.200
YOU HAVE ALL THESE
ONLYFAN GIRLS AND GUYS

00:35:32.300 --> 00:35:33.466
THAT ARE LIKE,
THIS IS GREAT.

00:35:33.566 --> 00:35:34.700
I LOVE THIS.


00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:36.300
IT ACTUALLY MAKES
ME REALLY SAD.

00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:37.300
ALIA: IT IS REALLY SAD.


00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:38.533
REBECCA: LIKE I
LOOK AT THE GENERATION,

00:35:38.633 --> 00:35:40.500
GEN Z UNDER US, AND
THEN EVEN YOUNGER,

00:35:40.600 --> 00:35:43.299
AND I'M SEEING THESE GIRLS
WHO ARE LIKE IN GEN Z,

00:35:43.399 --> 00:35:46.200
AND THEY'RE BEING,
WHAT'S THE WORD,

00:35:46.300 --> 00:35:48.167
THEY'RE BEING INFLUENCED
TO GO ON ONLYFANS,

00:35:48.267 --> 00:35:49.033
BECAUSE THE GIRLS -


00:35:49.133 --> 00:35:49.533
ALIA: BEING GROOMED.


00:35:49.633 --> 00:35:50.567
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:35:50.667 --> 00:35:52.533
THEY'RE BEING LIKE
TOLD, THIS IS SO GREAT.

00:35:52.633 --> 00:35:55.766
AND SO THE ONLY THING YOU
EVER HEAR ABOUT PORN IS

00:35:55.866 --> 00:35:58.033
LIKE THE POSITIVE
SIDE, WHICH, REALLY,

00:35:58.133 --> 00:36:00.700
THERE REALLY IS
NO POSITIVE SIDE.

00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:01.966
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY
TO ALL OF THAT?

00:36:02.066 --> 00:36:03.466
BECAUSE YOU WERE
ACTUALLY IN THAT WORLD,

00:36:03.566 --> 00:36:04.566
SO YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT.


00:36:04.666 --> 00:36:05.833
ALIA: YEAH.


00:36:05.933 --> 00:36:08.200
THEY THRIVE ON
DECEPTION, RIGHT.

00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:13.233
AND LIKE [ SIGHS ] THEY
THRIVE ON THIS IDEA

00:36:13.333 --> 00:36:16.133
THAT PEOPLE ARE FOR
CONSUMPTION.

00:36:16.233 --> 00:36:20.266
AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT
WE WERE CREATED FOR.

00:36:20.366 --> 00:36:22.499
LIKE EVEN IF YOU'RE
NOT A BELIEVER,

00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:26.800
LIKE NOBODY WAS CREATED
TO LIKE BE HURT, RIGHT,

00:36:26.900 --> 00:36:28.567
OR TO BE CONSUMED
IN THAT WAY.

00:36:28.667 --> 00:36:29.366
REBECCA: TO BE USED.


00:36:29.466 --> 00:36:30.567
ALIA: TO BE USED.


00:36:30.667 --> 00:36:31.366
REBECCA: WE WEREN'T DESIGNED
TO BE USED IN ANY FORM.

00:36:31.466 --> 00:36:32.599
THERE'S NOTHING
EMPOWERING.

00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:33.433
ALIA: THERE ISN'T.


00:36:33.533 --> 00:36:34.400
REBECCA: THAT'S THE LIE.


00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.800
ALIA: AND
THAT IS THE LIE.

00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:37.366
AND I LOVE THAT YOU
BROUGHT THAT UP,

00:36:37.466 --> 00:36:39.467
BECAUSE THAT IS THE LIE.


00:36:39.567 --> 00:36:41.099
AND THAT'S THE
THING THAT THEY SAY.

00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:43.300
LIKE, THIS IS HOW, AND
ESPECIALLY FOR A GIRL,

00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.500
LIKE TO ME, LIKE
ESPECIALLY A GIRL WHO'S,

00:36:45.600 --> 00:36:47.167
YOUR POWER HAS BEEN
TAKEN FROM YOU,

00:36:47.267 --> 00:36:48.300
LIKE YOU'VE
EXPERIENCED THIS THING.

00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:49.433
THIS IS TIME TO GET
YOUR POWER BACK.

00:36:49.533 --> 00:36:50.633
THIS IS EMPOWERMENT.


00:36:50.733 --> 00:36:54.133
THEN TELL ME WHY, IF THOSE
SITUATIONS WERE EMPOWERED,

00:36:54.233 --> 00:36:56.566
WHY DID I LEAVE ALMOST
EVERY SINGLE SHOE

00:36:56.666 --> 00:36:58.800
OR EVERY SINGLE TRAFFICKING
EXPERIENCE, OR WHEN I WAS

00:36:58.900 --> 00:37:00.700
IN THE STRIP CLUB, TO GO
AND SLEEP WITH SOMEBODY

00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.033
I WAS CHOOSING
TO SLEEP WITH?

00:37:03.133 --> 00:37:04.399
BECAUSE IT WASN'T
EMPOWERING.

00:37:04.499 --> 00:37:06.000
BECAUSE IT FELT LIKE MY
CHOICE WAS BEING TAKEN AWAY

00:37:06.100 --> 00:37:07.700
BECAUSE IT WAS.


00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.399
LIKE, BECAUSE IT WAS.


00:37:09.499 --> 00:37:13.633
AND SO I WOULD GO OFF AND
I WOULD LIKE SELF-MEDICATE

00:37:13.733 --> 00:37:15.833
BY HAVING SEX WITH
SOMEBODY ELSE WHO I FELT

00:37:15.933 --> 00:37:18.033
LIKE I WAS CHOOSING THAT
BECAUSE I NEEDED

00:37:18.133 --> 00:37:20.966
TO FEEL CHOICE AGAIN.


00:37:21.066 --> 00:37:21.833
REBECCA: AND CONTROL.


00:37:21.933 --> 00:37:22.899
ALIA: AND CONTROL.


00:37:22.999 --> 00:37:24.000
BECAUSE I WASN'T
IN CONTROL.

00:37:24.100 --> 00:37:25.267
YOU'RE NOT IN CONTROL.


00:37:25.367 --> 00:37:26.400
YOU DON'T PICK
THOSE THINGS.

00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:28.466
YOU'RE NOT DOING LIKE WHAT
FEELS GOOD IN YOUR BODY.

00:37:28.566 --> 00:37:30.300
YOU'RE DOING LIKE
WHAT THE CAMERA GUY,

00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.566
WHAT THE PRODUCER
HAS TOLD YOU TO DO.

00:37:32.666 --> 00:37:37.733
AND IT'S SO SAD TO THINK
LIKE THAT PEOPLE ARE

00:37:37.833 --> 00:37:40.699
LOOKING AT LIKE WHAT
YOU'RE WATCHING FOR PLEASURE

00:37:40.799 --> 00:37:44.533
IS PEOPLE IN THEIR
MOST BROKEN MOMENTS.

00:37:44.633 --> 00:37:45.733
REBECCA: VULNERABLE STATE.


00:37:45.833 --> 00:37:47.766
ALIA: AND LIKE...


00:37:47.866 --> 00:37:48.933
REBECCA: AND
THEY'RE FAKING IT.

00:37:49.033 --> 00:37:49.967
ALIA: AND
THEY'RE FAKING IT.

00:37:50.067 --> 00:37:51.033
THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY
FAKING IT.

00:37:51.133 --> 00:37:52.100
REBECCA: IT'S
NOT EVEN REAL.

00:37:52.200 --> 00:37:53.100
IT'S NOT EVEN REAL LIFE.


00:37:53.200 --> 00:37:55.633
ALIA: IT'S NOT
REAL LIFE AT ALL.

00:37:55.733 --> 00:37:58.233
AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE
THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW, EITHER.

00:37:58.333 --> 00:38:03.533
AND LIKE PORN IS USED TO
LIKE, MY ABUSER

00:38:03.633 --> 00:38:05.966
WHEN I WAS 4,
SHOWED ME PORN.

00:38:06.066 --> 00:38:09.766
LIKE PORN IS USED
TO HURT PEOPLE.

00:38:09.866 --> 00:38:13.699
IT'S INTRODUCED TO YOUNG KIDS
LIKE IT'S JUST

00:38:13.799 --> 00:38:17.833
REALLY HEARTBREAKING, AND IT
CREATES SO MUCH BONDAGE.

00:38:17.933 --> 00:38:20.033
THERE'S SO MANY
PORN PERFORMERS

00:38:20.133 --> 00:38:21.600
THAT COMMITTED SUICIDE.


00:38:21.700 --> 00:38:25.133
LIKE, THERE'S SO MANY GIRLS
AND MEN WHO WERE IN PORN

00:38:25.233 --> 00:38:27.866
THAT HAVE COMMITTED
SUICIDE BECAUSE

00:38:27.966 --> 00:38:29.333
IT'S YOUR MOST
BROKEN MOMENTS ON DISPLAY

00:38:29.433 --> 00:38:31.066
FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD.


00:38:31.166 --> 00:38:33.000
REBECCA: AND THERE'S
PROBABLY A FEELING

00:38:33.100 --> 00:38:36.067
THAT YOU CAN'T RETURN TO
THE NORMAL WORKING,

00:38:36.167 --> 00:38:37.667
EVEN IF YOU'RE TRYING
TO GET OUT OF IT,

00:38:37.767 --> 00:38:38.766
WORLD, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE,


00:38:38.866 --> 00:38:39.833
WELL, THIS
IS OUT THERE.

00:38:39.933 --> 00:38:40.766
AND LIKE KIND OF WHAT
HAPPENED TO YOUR MOM,

00:38:40.866 --> 00:38:42.299
WE'LL USE THIS
AGAINST YOU.

00:38:42.399 --> 00:38:44.233
ONCE IT'S OUT THERE, IT
COULD BE USED AGAINST YOU.

00:38:44.333 --> 00:38:45.499
SO THERE'S THIS
PRESSURE OF,

00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.700
I HAVE TO STAY IN THIS
INDUSTRY BECAUSE I'VE

00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:49.733
ALREADY DONE WORK
IN THIS INDUSTRY.

00:38:49.833 --> 00:38:50.533
ALIA: YEAH, EXACTLY.


00:38:50.633 --> 00:38:51.666
REBECCA: BECAUSE
PEOPLE STRUGGLE,

00:38:51.766 --> 00:38:53.300
I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT
SURVIVORS SAY THEY STRUGGLED

00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.766
TO GO BACK INTO
SOCIETY BECAUSE PEOPLE...

00:38:56.866 --> 00:38:57.799
ALIA: DEFINITELY.


00:38:57.899 --> 00:38:59.700
REBECCA: ARE
JUDGMENTAL OF THEIR PAST.

00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:01.999
AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND
THAT THEY WERE COERCED

00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:03.833
OR FORCED OR
MANIPULATED INTO IT.

00:39:03.933 --> 00:39:06.099
THEY JUST THINK, OH, THEY
WILLINGLY WENT INTO IT.

00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.833
ALIA: YEAH.


00:39:08.933 --> 00:39:09.933
REBECCA: SO YOU'RE 27.


00:39:10.033 --> 00:39:12.300
SO THAT WAS ALMOST TEN
YEARS, ON AND OFF,

00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.533
THAT YOU WERE IN - WORKING
IN THE PORN INDUSTRY.

00:39:15.633 --> 00:39:18.133
AND YOU WERE
BEING TRAFFICKED.

00:39:18.233 --> 00:39:19.433
NOT JUST IN THE
PORN INDUSTRY,

00:39:19.533 --> 00:39:21.933
BUT OUTSIDE WITH LIKE WHAT
YOU HAD DEALT WITH WHEN

00:39:22.033 --> 00:39:23.533
YOU WERE LIKE A TEENAGER.


00:39:23.633 --> 00:39:25.300
THAT'S CRAZY.


00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:26.866
SO HOW DID YOU GET OUT?


00:39:26.966 --> 00:39:30.933
ALIA: SO I WAS BEING
TRAFFICKED BY THIS GUY.

00:39:31.033 --> 00:39:33.533
WELL, I DID SOMETHING THAT HE,
LIKE HE WENT THROUGH MY PHONE

00:39:33.633 --> 00:39:37.533
AND HE WAS - WASN'T
HAPPY WITH THE LACK OF CONTROL

00:39:37.633 --> 00:39:39.166
THAT HE FELT BASED
ON LIKE MY -

00:39:39.266 --> 00:39:40.867
THE THINGS THAT
HE SAW ON MY PHONE.

00:39:40.967 --> 00:39:42.900
AND SO HE DROPPED ME OFF
IN THIS AREA

00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:44.366
OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA -


00:39:44.466 --> 00:39:45.766
REBECCA: HOW OLD WERE
YOU RIGHT AT THIS POINT?

00:39:45.866 --> 00:39:46.467
ALIA: 27.


00:39:46.567 --> 00:39:49.333
I'D JUST TURNED 27.


00:39:49.433 --> 00:39:53.066
AND HE DROPPED ME OFF IN
THIS LIKE AGRICULTURAL AREA

00:39:53.166 --> 00:39:55.500
WHERE THERE WERE
THESE - ALL THESE FIELDS.

00:39:55.600 --> 00:39:57.700
AND AT THIS POINT,
I'D LIKE -

00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.066
I'D HAD A LOT OF THINGS.


00:39:59.166 --> 00:40:02.600
I HAD A LOT OF LIKE
DESIGNER SHOES AND BAGS

00:40:02.700 --> 00:40:05.999
AND DIAMONDS AND THESE
THINGS THAT MADE ME FEEL LIKE,

00:40:06.099 --> 00:40:07.766
I'VE MADE IT
IN THE WORLD, RIGHT.

00:40:07.866 --> 00:40:10.067
AFTER EVERYTHING I'VE GONE
THROUGH, LIKE THIS IS THE BEST

00:40:10.167 --> 00:40:11.500
THAT LIFE IS FOR ME.


00:40:11.600 --> 00:40:12.766
AND SO I HAD THESE THINGS.


00:40:12.866 --> 00:40:14.366
AND HE DROPPED ME OFF IN
THE MIDDLE OF THIS FIELD.

00:40:14.466 --> 00:40:17.833
I DIDN'T HAVE SHOES, LIKE
I DIDN'T HAVE A PHONE WITH ME.

00:40:17.933 --> 00:40:18.833
REBECCA: HE JUST
LEFT YOU THERE?

00:40:18.933 --> 00:40:19.933
ALIA: HE JUST
LEFT ME THERE.

00:40:20.033 --> 00:40:20.467
REBECCA: AT NIGHT?


00:40:20.567 --> 00:40:21.333
ALIA: AT NIGHT.


00:40:21.433 --> 00:40:22.233
REBECCA: IN THE
MIDDLE OF A FIELD?

00:40:22.333 --> 00:40:23.367
ALIA: IN THE
MIDDLE OF LIKE,

00:40:23.467 --> 00:40:25.033
YEAH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS
AGRICULTURAL AREA

00:40:25.133 --> 00:40:26.367
OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.


00:40:26.467 --> 00:40:27.366
REBECCA: WHAT?
BECAUSE HE WAS MAD AT YOU?

00:40:27.466 --> 00:40:29.099
ALIA: BECAUSE
HE WAS MAD AT ME.

00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.766
AND SO I FELT LIKE -
I LOOK BACK NOW AND I'M LIKE,

00:40:32.866 --> 00:40:34.966
OKAY, THE LORD PRESENTED
ME WITH A MIRROR.

00:40:35.066 --> 00:40:39.833
LIKE, I HAD BEEN SO
DECEIVED, YEAH.

00:40:39.933 --> 00:40:41.967
AND IT WAS
LIKE, HEY, GIRL,

00:40:42.067 --> 00:40:47.500
THIS IS WHAT THIS LIFE
HAS LEFT YOU WITH.

00:40:47.600 --> 00:40:48.533
NOTHING.


00:40:48.633 --> 00:40:49.433
LIKE YOU HAVE NOTHING.


00:40:49.533 --> 00:40:50.666
YOU'RE HERE ON YOUR OWN.


00:40:50.766 --> 00:40:51.667
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU WERE THERE
COMPLETELY BY YOURSELF

00:40:51.767 --> 00:40:52.733
AND YOU DIDN'T
HAVE ANYTHING.

00:40:52.833 --> 00:40:53.799
ALIA: NO.


00:40:53.899 --> 00:40:54.800
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THE
STUFF THAT I WAS LIKE,

00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:56.367
IF I CAN JUST FILL
IT WITH STUFF, RIGHT.

00:40:56.467 --> 00:40:58.333
THIS WILL HELP.


00:40:58.433 --> 00:41:00.933
AND SO I WAS
LIKE, THAT'S IT.

00:41:01.033 --> 00:41:04.066
I THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO
EITHER KILL MYSELF

00:41:04.166 --> 00:41:09.533
AS A WAY OUT OR
I'M GOING TO GET OUT -

00:41:09.633 --> 00:41:11.167
OR I'M GOING
TO GO BACK TO HIM

00:41:11.267 --> 00:41:12.966
AND KNOW THAT LIKE
THIS GUY WAS VIOLENT,

00:41:13.066 --> 00:41:14.167
THIS GUY
WAS REALLY VIOLENT.

00:41:14.267 --> 00:41:16.733
AND I WAS LIKE, HE'S
PROBABLY GOING TO KILL ME

00:41:16.833 --> 00:41:21.366
OR I'M GOING TO DO THE ONE
THING THAT ONE TIME

00:41:21.466 --> 00:41:23.767
I KNEW ONE GIRL WHO
HAD GOTTEN OUT,

00:41:23.867 --> 00:41:25.466
AND I'M GOING TO
DO WHAT SHE DID.

00:41:25.566 --> 00:41:27.533
AND SO THAT'S WHAT
I DECIDED TO DO,

00:41:27.633 --> 00:41:28.666
AND I WALKED.


00:41:28.766 --> 00:41:32.267
I WALKED WITH NO SHOES
LIKE TO THE ONLY PAY PHONE

00:41:32.367 --> 00:41:34.833
THAT WAS LEFT IN MY AREA,


00:41:34.933 --> 00:41:35.766
WHICH I HAPPENED
TO KNOW WHERE IT WAS.

00:41:35.866 --> 00:41:36.900
REBECCA: HOW DID
YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO?

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.700
ALIA: BECAUSE I KNEW
THERE WAS THIS ONE PAY PHONE

00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.766
BECAUSE IT'S BY
THE JAIL IN OUR TOWN,

00:41:42.866 --> 00:41:44.299
AND SO IT'S LIKE THE PAY
PHONE THAT WHEN THE GUYS

00:41:44.399 --> 00:41:45.966
ARE GETTING OUT
OF THE JAIL,

00:41:46.066 --> 00:41:46.833
THEY WALK OVER AND USE
THAT PAY PHONE

00:41:46.933 --> 00:41:48.933
TO CALL A RIDE OR WHATEVER.


00:41:49.033 --> 00:41:49.799
AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY
REASON THERE IS

00:41:49.899 --> 00:41:51.867
A PAY PHONE LEFT.


00:41:51.967 --> 00:41:53.400
AND SO I WALKED
TO THAT PAY PHONE,

00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:55.867
AND I CALLED LIKE
911 ON MYSELF.

00:41:55.967 --> 00:41:59.199
I'M LIKE I'M GOING
TO KILL MYSELF.

00:41:59.299 --> 00:42:00.066
LIKE, I NEED HELP.


00:42:00.166 --> 00:42:01.199
I NEED HELP FOR THIS.


00:42:01.299 --> 00:42:02.699
REBECCA: YOU KNEW THAT
YOU WANTED TO GET OUT.

00:42:02.799 --> 00:42:03.833
ALIA: I WANTED
TO GET OUT.

00:42:03.933 --> 00:42:04.833
AND I THOUGHT LIKE...


00:42:04.933 --> 00:42:05.900
REBECCA: THERE'S
ONLY THREE WAYS.

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.233
YOU'RE LIKE, I'M GOING TO
GO BACK TO THIS GUY

00:42:07.333 --> 00:42:08.533
WHO'S GOING TO KILL ME, I'M
GOING TO KILL MYSELF

00:42:08.633 --> 00:42:10.933
TO GET OUT OF THIS, OR YOU
SAID YOU HAVE THAT EXAMPLE

00:42:11.033 --> 00:42:12.100
OF THAT ONE GIRL.


00:42:12.200 --> 00:42:13.666
ALIA: YEAH, ONE GIRL.


00:42:13.766 --> 00:42:16.233
AND I FELT LIKE, IN THE
BACK OF MY MIND LIKE,

00:42:16.333 --> 00:42:17.900
WELL, I CAN TRY
WHAT SHE DID,

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.700
AND IF IT DOESN'T
WORK FOR ME,

00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.467
THE INDUSTRY WILL
BE THERE FOR ME,

00:42:22.567 --> 00:42:24.467
I CAN GO BACK, OR SUICIDE
WILL STILL BE

00:42:24.567 --> 00:42:26.366
THERE FOR ME, RIGHT.


00:42:26.466 --> 00:42:30.266
IN THAT TIME, LIKE I
APPLIED FOR THIS PROGRAM

00:42:30.366 --> 00:42:33.866
AND GOT INTO THIS RECOVERY
PROGRAM THAT THIS OTHER WOMAN

00:42:33.966 --> 00:42:35.933
HAD BEEN THROUGH
THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY

00:42:36.033 --> 00:42:38.700
FOR WOMEN WHO HAD BEEN
TRAFFICKED AND EXPLOITED.

00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:39.933
REBECCA: HOW DID YOU
FIND OUT ABOUT THIS GIRL

00:42:40.033 --> 00:42:40.799
THAT GOT OUT?


00:42:40.899 --> 00:42:42.199
ALIA: YEAH.


00:42:42.299 --> 00:42:45.599
SO WHEN I WAS
ABOUT 22, I THINK,

00:42:45.699 --> 00:42:48.467
THERE WAS THIS GUY AND HE
OWNED THE LARGEST

00:42:48.567 --> 00:42:51.567
PORN DISTRIBUTION COMPANY
IN THE COUNTRY.

00:42:51.667 --> 00:42:54.833
AND HE TOOK ME TO CHURCH.


00:42:54.933 --> 00:42:56.200
REBECCA: WAIT, WHAT?


00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:57.133
ALIA: YES.


00:42:57.233 --> 00:42:58.033
[ LAUGHING ]


00:42:58.133 --> 00:42:58.933
REBECCA: WHY?


00:42:59.033 --> 00:42:59.866
ALIA: SO HIS
FINANCE HAD LEFT HIM,

00:42:59.933 --> 00:43:01.833
AND HIS FIANCE
HAD BEEN IN PORN,

00:43:01.933 --> 00:43:08.066
AND SHE'D LEFT HIM AND
GONE TO THIS PROGRAM IN KENTUCKY

00:43:08.166 --> 00:43:10.699
THAT WAS LIKE A
PROGRAM FOR WOMEN

00:43:10.799 --> 00:43:12.466
WHO HAD BEEN EXPLOITED
AND TRAFFICKED.

00:43:12.566 --> 00:43:13.733
AND SO SHE'D GONE THERE.


00:43:13.833 --> 00:43:16.566
AND IN AN EFFORT TO
LIKE WIN HER BACK,

00:43:16.666 --> 00:43:19.033
HE STARTED
GOING TO CHURCH.

00:43:19.133 --> 00:43:20.166
I KNOW.


00:43:20.266 --> 00:43:21.067
[ LAUGHING ]


00:43:21.167 --> 00:43:22.833
AND SO HE STARTED
GOING TO CHURCH.

00:43:22.933 --> 00:43:25.300
AND I DO BELIEVE
THAT HE GOT SAVED.

00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:30.700
HE ENDED UP DYING OF AN
OVERDOSE WITHIN ABOUT A YEAR,

00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.333
AND I REALLY BELIEVE
IT'S BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING

00:43:32.433 --> 00:43:34.699
TO SELF-MEDICATE
CONVICTION.

00:43:34.799 --> 00:43:37.033
INSTEAD OF LIKE TURNING
AWAY FROM THE PORN INDUSTRY

00:43:37.133 --> 00:43:39.633
AND GIVING UP ALL THIS MONEY
THAT HE WAS MAKING,

00:43:39.733 --> 00:43:42.067
HE WAS SELF-MEDICATING
THAT CONVICTION

00:43:42.167 --> 00:43:44.033
THAT THE LORD
WAS PLACING IN HIS HEART.

00:43:44.133 --> 00:43:46.366
AND SO HE SELF-MEDICATED
HIMSELF INTO AN OVERDOSE,

00:43:46.466 --> 00:43:48.167
AND HE DIED.


00:43:48.267 --> 00:43:50.500
BUT HE TOOK ME TO CHURCH.


00:43:50.600 --> 00:43:53.333
AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME
THAT THAT I'D EVER BEEN IN LIKE,

00:43:53.433 --> 00:43:54.533
I'D GONE TO
CATHOLIC MASS

00:43:54.633 --> 00:43:58.033
GROWING UP, OCCASIONALLY.


00:43:58.133 --> 00:43:59.900
BUT IT WAS THE FIRST TIME
I'D EVER BEEN INTO

00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.433
LIKE A CHRISTIAN, LIKE
NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH.

00:44:03.533 --> 00:44:06.166
AND SO I WENT
INTO THIS CHURCH,

00:44:06.266 --> 00:44:08.500
AND THERE WAS A WOMAN
PREACHING ON THE STAGE.

00:44:08.600 --> 00:44:10.566
AND FOR ONE, THAT WAS
LIKE VERY DIFFERENT.

00:44:10.666 --> 00:44:14.833
I'D ONLY EVER HEARD LIKE -
I REALLY HEARD LIKE -

00:44:14.933 --> 00:44:17.533
THE WAY THAT I HEARD JESUS
DIED FOR YOUR SINS

00:44:17.633 --> 00:44:21.467
AT THE LIKE MASSES THAT I HAD
GONE THROUGH IS LIKE,

00:44:21.567 --> 00:44:23.600
YOU'RE SO AWFUL,
JESUS HAD TO DIE.

00:44:23.700 --> 00:44:25.533
LIKE THAT'S WHAT I -
THAT'S THE WAY THAT I

00:44:25.633 --> 00:44:26.666
HAD HEARD IT.


00:44:26.766 --> 00:44:29.067
AND SO SHE WAS - IT
WAS AN EASTER SERVICE,

00:44:29.167 --> 00:44:31.833
AND SHE WAS
EXPLAINING THE GOSPEL,

00:44:31.933 --> 00:44:33.633
AND SHE WAS NAILING
WORDS TO A CROSS,

00:44:33.733 --> 00:44:36.000
AND SHE CAME TO THIS
MOMENT WHERE SHE

00:44:36.100 --> 00:44:40.667
WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT
THIS GIRL, HIS FIANCE,

00:44:40.767 --> 00:44:43.333
THAT HAD LEFT AND THAT HAD
GONE ON AND FOUND HEALING,

00:44:43.433 --> 00:44:44.933
AND SHE WAS
TALKING ABOUT HER.

00:44:45.033 --> 00:44:46.966
AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, NOT
ONLY IS THERE THIS WOMAN

00:44:47.066 --> 00:44:51.367
TALKING ABOUT JESUS, BUT
SHE'S SITTING ON THE STAGE

00:44:51.467 --> 00:44:54.499
WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE,
BECAUSE IT WAS A LARGE CHURCH,

00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.666
LIKE TALKING ABOUT
SOMEONE LIKE ME AND

00:44:57.766 --> 00:45:00.966
TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT
PERSON IS LOVED

00:45:01.066 --> 00:45:02.433
AND THAT THAT PERSON HAS HOPE.


00:45:02.533 --> 00:45:06.433
AND SO I DIDN'T GET
SAVED THAT DAY AT ALL.

00:45:06.533 --> 00:45:10.233
BUT I FELT LIKE, THIS IS A
SAFE PLACE AND THIS IS -

00:45:10.333 --> 00:45:12.300
I WAS JUST SOBBING
AND I'M JUST LIKE,

00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.199
THIS IS A PLACE I
WANT TO BE AT MORE.

00:45:15.299 --> 00:45:16.900
AND HE - AND SO
THEY ACTUALLY,

00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.966
THE PASTORS OF THAT CHURCH
WHERE HE TOOK ME

00:45:20.066 --> 00:45:23.733
KNEW HIS FIANCE, SO THE PASTOR
THAT WAS A CHURCH PLANT THERE,

00:45:23.833 --> 00:45:28.033
AND THE PASTOR'S MOM HAD
WORKED IN KENTUCKY

00:45:28.133 --> 00:45:30.366
AT THIS PROGRAM THAT THIS
GIRL HAD GONE THROUGH.

00:45:30.466 --> 00:45:32.533
AND ACTUALLY WHEN THIS GIRL
GRADUATED THAT PROGRAM,

00:45:32.633 --> 00:45:35.066
SHE ACTUALLY
MOVED IN TO THEIR HOME.

00:45:35.166 --> 00:45:36.866
SHE'D LET THEM
LIVE WITH THEM.

00:45:36.966 --> 00:45:38.133
AND THEN SHE'D GONE ON
AND SHE'D GONE

00:45:38.233 --> 00:45:39.833
TO SEMINARY, ACTUALLY.


00:45:39.933 --> 00:45:40.900
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.


00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:41.900
ALIA: IT WAS AMAZING.


00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:43.567
AND THEY HAD MOVED FROM
KENTUCKY OUT HERE

00:45:43.667 --> 00:45:45.500
TO BE WITH THEIR CHILDREN WHO
HAD PLANTED THIS CHURCH

00:45:45.600 --> 00:45:47.400
IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.


00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:50.099
AND SO THEY KNEW
ABOUT TRAFFICKING

00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.567
AND THEY KNEW ABOUT
THE PORN INDUSTRY.

00:45:52.667 --> 00:45:54.867
AND THE PORN INDUSTRY, LIKE
I THINK IS THE PART OF MY STORY

00:45:54.967 --> 00:45:56.266
THAT PEOPLE - LIKE
ALWAYS SHOCKED PEOPLE

00:45:56.366 --> 00:45:58.300
BECAUSE THERE AREN'T A LOT OF
US THAT TALK ABOUT IT,

00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.233
BUT IN MY PERSPECTIVE


00:46:00.333 --> 00:46:02.433
LIKE, EVERYTHING THAT WAS
HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF PORN

00:46:02.533 --> 00:46:04.999
AS FAR AS MY TRAFFICKING
WAS LIKE TOOK MORE TIME

00:46:05.099 --> 00:46:06.899
OF MY LIFE.


00:46:06.999 --> 00:46:09.433
AND SO THEY UNDERSTOOD
ALL OF THAT, TOO.

00:46:09.533 --> 00:46:11.433
LIKE, THEY UNDERSTOOD ALL
OF THE WAYS THAT

00:46:11.533 --> 00:46:13.033
I HAD BEEN HURT
OUTSIDE OF THAT.

00:46:13.133 --> 00:46:14.933
REBECCA: DID THE GIRL
FROM KENTUCKY HAVE A SIMILAR,

00:46:15.033 --> 00:46:16.333
OR THE GIRL THAT
GOT SENT TO KENTUCKY,

00:46:16.433 --> 00:46:17.700
WAS HER STORY
SIMILAR TO YOURS?

00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.066
ALIA: IT WAS REALLY
SIMILAR TO MINE.

00:46:19.166 --> 00:46:20.367
REBECCA: AND YOU WERE
ABLE TO TALK TO HER?

00:46:20.467 --> 00:46:21.833
ALIA: NOT AT FIRST.


00:46:21.933 --> 00:46:23.300
LIKE AT FIRST, I DIDN'T.


00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.833
AND AT FIRST, IT WAS JUST
KNOWING THAT SHE EXISTED.

00:46:25.933 --> 00:46:29.066
LIKE TO KNOW THAT THERE
WAS SOMEBODY LIKE ME

00:46:29.166 --> 00:46:32.133
WHO GOT OUT, LIKE
THAT WAS BIG.

00:46:32.233 --> 00:46:34.400
AND SO THEY COULD
RECOGNIZE ME,

00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:36.833
THE PASTORS OF THIS CHURCH
AND HER MOM AND DAD,

00:46:36.933 --> 00:46:39.600
LIKE THEY RECOGNIZED THE
PAIN THAT I WAS IN

00:46:39.700 --> 00:46:41.433
AND THE THINGS THAT WERE
HAPPENING TO ME.

00:46:41.533 --> 00:46:44.167
AND SO FOR FOUR YEARS,
AND I'M BEING TRAFFICKED,

00:46:44.267 --> 00:46:45.867
I'M IN AND OUT OF
STRIP CLUBS, PORN,

00:46:45.967 --> 00:46:48.867
ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS,
DURING FOUR YEARS,

00:46:48.967 --> 00:46:53.233
THEY EXPECTED TO SEE ME
EVERY SUNDAY MORNING AT CHURCH.

00:46:53.333 --> 00:46:55.633
AND EVERY SUNDAY
AFTERNOON,

00:46:55.733 --> 00:46:56.866
THEY DID THERE FROM
KENTUCKY -

00:46:56.966 --> 00:46:59.166
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FROM SOUTH,
SO IT'S LIKE SUNDAY SUPPER

00:46:59.266 --> 00:47:02.800
EVERY SUNDAY AFTER SERVICE,


00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:05.967
AND IT WAS ALL OF
THE PASTORS

00:47:06.067 --> 00:47:09.266
IN THEIR
HOME, AND ME.

00:47:09.366 --> 00:47:10.466
REBECCA: SO THEY
INVITED YOU IN.

00:47:10.566 --> 00:47:11.467
ALIA: MM-HM.


00:47:11.567 --> 00:47:14.333
THEY INVITED ME SO
DEEP INTO THEIR LIVES.

00:47:14.433 --> 00:47:15.533
REBECCA: AW.


00:47:15.633 --> 00:47:16.533
ALIA: SO IT WAS LIKE
THERE'S MY KIDS AND THEIR KIDS.

00:47:16.633 --> 00:47:17.933
REBECCA: AND THEY
DIDN'T GIVE UP ON YOU.

00:47:18.033 --> 00:47:19.066
ALIA: THEY DIDN'T
GIVE UP ON ME

00:47:19.166 --> 00:47:20.833
AND IT DIDN'T FEEL WEIRD
THAT I WAS THERE.

00:47:20.933 --> 00:47:21.933
REBECCA: OH, WOW.


00:47:22.033 --> 00:47:24.333
ALIA: LIKE THEY DIDN'T -
IT SEEMED LIKE THEIR KIDS

00:47:24.433 --> 00:47:26.600
WEREN'T WEIRDED OUT
BY THE FACT THAT I WAS THERE

00:47:26.700 --> 00:47:29.566
AND LIKE, I'D GROWN UP,
LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW

00:47:29.666 --> 00:47:32.666
TO DRESS APPROPRIATELY,
LIKE I DID NOT -

00:47:32.766 --> 00:47:35.100
I LOOKED LIKE I WAS BEING
EXPLOITED, RIGHT.

00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:38.699
LIKE I DIDN'T
LOOK LIKE I FIT.

00:47:38.799 --> 00:47:40.500
AND YET THIS FAMILY JUST
MADE IT SEEM LIKE

00:47:40.600 --> 00:47:42.366
THE MOST NORMAL
THING IN THE WORLD,

00:47:42.466 --> 00:47:44.899
THAT ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE
HAVING SUNDAY SUPPER

00:47:44.999 --> 00:47:48.233
WITH THEIR KIDS AND A
PROSTITUTE EVERY SUNDAY.

00:47:48.333 --> 00:47:51.433
LIKE HOW, IT'S STILL THE
MOST CHRIST-LIKE THING

00:47:51.533 --> 00:47:56.133
I THINK I'VE EVER SEEN, AND
THAT I GOT TO EXPERIENCE.

00:47:56.233 --> 00:47:57.200
REBECCA: AND THEY
DIDN'T GIVE UP?

00:47:57.300 --> 00:47:58.200
BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE
JUST BEEN LIKE,

00:47:58.300 --> 00:47:59.866
WELL, SHE'S NOT LEAVING
THIS LIFESTYLE.

00:47:59.966 --> 00:48:00.933
ALIA: NO, THEY
DIDN'T GIVE UP.

00:48:01.033 --> 00:48:01.800
REBECCA: BECAUSE DID
THEY TRY TO GET YOU OUT?

00:48:01.900 --> 00:48:03.867
ALIA: THEY OFFERED
ME OPPORTUNITY.

00:48:03.967 --> 00:48:04.967
REBECCA: BUT THEY
KNEW THEY COULDN'T...

00:48:05.067 --> 00:48:06.033
ALIA: THEY COULDN'T.


00:48:06.133 --> 00:48:07.366
REBECCA: THEY KNEW YOU
HAD TO DO IT YOURSELF.

00:48:07.466 --> 00:48:08.433
ALIA: YEAH.


00:48:08.566 --> 00:48:09.933
AND SO THEY KEPT OFFERING
AND THEY KEPT TELLING ME

00:48:10.033 --> 00:48:12.199
ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.


00:48:12.299 --> 00:48:14.667
BUT WHAT WAS MORE POWERFUL
THAN ANYTHING THEY SAID

00:48:14.767 --> 00:48:16.599
WAS THEY HAD
PICTURES OF THIS GIRL,

00:48:16.699 --> 00:48:20.066
AND THEY HAD PICTURES OF HER
LIKE WITH THEIR FAMILY

00:48:20.166 --> 00:48:22.800
IN THEIR LIKE, THEY HAVE LIKE
A WALL OF FAMILY PHOTOS,

00:48:22.900 --> 00:48:24.833
AND THERE WERE PICTURES
OF HER IN THAT.

00:48:24.933 --> 00:48:25.633
REBECCA: THE
GIRL THAT GOT OUT.

00:48:25.733 --> 00:48:26.766
ALIA: THE GIRL
THAT GOT OUT.

00:48:26.866 --> 00:48:29.533
AND THEN LIKE ONE
THING, THEY LOVED HER.

00:48:29.633 --> 00:48:30.600
SHE BECAME THEIR FAMILY.


00:48:30.700 --> 00:48:32.166
AND ONE THING THAT I
REMEMBER SO VIVIDLY

00:48:32.266 --> 00:48:35.033
WAS HER ENGAGEMENT
PHOTO ON THAT,

00:48:35.133 --> 00:48:38.366
BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT
THERE WAS SOMETHING SO DIFFERENT

00:48:38.466 --> 00:48:39.633
IN THE WAY THAT
THEY WERE JUST LIKE

00:48:39.733 --> 00:48:41.066
SO NICELY SITTING TOGETHER.


00:48:41.166 --> 00:48:42.033
IT LOOKED...


00:48:42.133 --> 00:48:43.199
REBECCA: FROM ALL THE
RELATIONSHIPS

00:48:43.299 --> 00:48:44.633
YOU HAD EXPERIENCED IN THE
PAST, IT WAS DIFFERENT.

00:48:44.733 --> 00:48:45.766
ALIA: YEAH.


00:48:45.866 --> 00:48:47.933
IT WAS SWEET AND THERE WAS
AN INNOCENCE ABOUT IT.

00:48:48.033 --> 00:48:49.033
REBECCA: AW.


00:48:49.133 --> 00:48:51.866
ALIA: THAT I WAS LIKE,
HOW DOES A GIRL LIKE ME

00:48:51.966 --> 00:48:56.133
HAVE A RELATIONSHIP THAT
LOOKS THIS PURE AND SWEET?

00:48:56.233 --> 00:48:58.333
AND SO I KNEW LIKE I -


00:48:58.433 --> 00:49:00.200
I KNEW THAT IT
HAD WORKED FOR HER.

00:49:00.300 --> 00:49:02.466
I KNEW THAT WHATEVER IT
WAS THAT SHE HAD DONE,

00:49:02.566 --> 00:49:04.366
IT WORKED FOR HER.


00:49:04.466 --> 00:49:08.233
AND SO I WAS LIKE, IF
I'M EVER ABLE TO LEAVE,

00:49:08.333 --> 00:49:11.599
IF I EVER WANT TO GET
OUT OR READY TO GET OUT,

00:49:11.699 --> 00:49:14.766
IF I DO WHAT SHE DID,
THEN IT'LL WORK.

00:49:14.866 --> 00:49:16.633
BUT FOR ME, MY SITUATION
WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT

00:49:16.733 --> 00:49:18.500
BECAUSE I HAD MY KIDS.


00:49:18.600 --> 00:49:21.133
AND THERE WAS - I'M LIKE,
I'M NOT LEAVING

00:49:21.233 --> 00:49:22.799
MY KIDS, RIGHT.


00:49:22.899 --> 00:49:24.866
EVEN IF IT MEANS
LIKE I -

00:49:24.966 --> 00:49:26.900
I HAD HAD THIS LIE
AND THE PEOPLE

00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.233
WHO TRAFFICKED ME AND
ABUSED ME HAD HAD THIS LIE

00:49:30.333 --> 00:49:31.199
OF LIKE, WELL, YOU CAN'T
DO THIS ON YOUR OWN.

00:49:31.299 --> 00:49:32.600
WHO'S GOING TO TAKE
CARE OF YOUR KIDS?

00:49:32.700 --> 00:49:33.533
THEY'RE GOING TO
TAKE YOUR KIDS AWAY.

00:49:33.633 --> 00:49:34.733
LIKE ALL OF THESE THINGS
THAT THEY HAD

00:49:34.833 --> 00:49:37.566
MANIPULATED ME THROUGH,
MY KIDS, TO BE LIKE,

00:49:37.666 --> 00:49:39.166
YOU'RE DOING
THIS FOR THEM,

00:49:39.266 --> 00:49:40.933
YOU'RE GIVING THEM
A BETTER LIFE.

00:49:41.033 --> 00:49:42.167
LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU
SUPPOSED TO DO?

00:49:42.267 --> 00:49:43.966
YOU DON'T HAVE A HIGH
SCHOOL EDUCATION.

00:49:44.066 --> 00:49:46.667
LIKE, THIS IS THE BEST
LIFE FOR YOUR KIDS.

00:49:46.767 --> 00:49:47.900
REBECCA: SO THAT'S WHAT -
HOW THEY WERE KEEPING YOU

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.566
IN THAT WORLD, IS YOU
WERE THINKING

00:49:49.666 --> 00:49:51.199
YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE
TO LOSE THEM.

00:49:51.299 --> 00:49:52.500
ALIA: I WAS, YEAH.


00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:55.200
REBECCA: AND SO IT TOOK YOU
BASICALLY HITTING ROCK BOTTOM,

00:49:55.300 --> 00:49:56.800
THAT MOMENT OF
BEING LEFT IN A FIELD

00:49:56.900 --> 00:49:58.200
AND BEING LIKE, I CAN'T
DO THIS ANYMORE

00:49:58.300 --> 00:49:59.467
BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GET
KILLED BY THIS GUY.

00:49:59.567 --> 00:50:00.667
ALIA: EXACTLY.


00:50:00.767 --> 00:50:02.367
AND THEN I'M NOT GOING TO
BE THERE FOR MY KIDS AT ALL.

00:50:02.467 --> 00:50:03.267
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:50:03.367 --> 00:50:03.833
MY KIDS AREN'T
GOING TO HAVE A MOM.

00:50:03.933 --> 00:50:04.833
ALIA: EXACTLY.


00:50:04.933 --> 00:50:05.866
REBECCA: SO YOU'RE LIKE,


00:50:05.966 --> 00:50:06.500
WELL, I MIGHT AS WELL
GIVE THIS A CHANCE.

00:50:06.600 --> 00:50:07.567
ALIA: YES.


00:50:07.667 --> 00:50:09.200
REBECCA: SO YOU CALL 911.


00:50:09.300 --> 00:50:10.333
WHAT DO THEY DO WITH YOU?


00:50:10.433 --> 00:50:11.533
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS
I'VE HEARD IS THEY'RE NOT

00:50:11.633 --> 00:50:13.666
VERY GOOD WITH
TRAFFICKING SURVIVORS.

00:50:13.766 --> 00:50:15.399
YOU DON'T LIKE ARREST
THEM, AND I'M LIKE,

00:50:15.499 --> 00:50:16.499
DON'T ARREST THEM.


00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:17.933
ARREST THE -


00:50:18.033 --> 00:50:19.099
ALIA: WELL,
FIRST OF ALL,

00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:20.400
THEY DIDN'T IDENTIFY ME AS
A TRAFFICKING SURVIVOR,

00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:23.233
SO PROBLEM ONE, RIGHT.


00:50:23.333 --> 00:50:25.633
I TOLD THEM I LIKE, I'M
GOING TO KILL MYSELF,

00:50:25.733 --> 00:50:28.900
LIKE MY - LIKE, MY BOYFRIEND
IS LOOKING FOR ME,

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.133
HE WANTS ME TO DO THIS.


00:50:30.233 --> 00:50:31.799
LIKE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
REALLY EASY FOR THEM

00:50:31.899 --> 00:50:36.067
TO IDENTIFY ME, BUT THEY
DIDN'T HAVE TRAINING.

00:50:36.167 --> 00:50:39.333
AND SO THEY - THIS GUY
LOOKED LIKE IT WAS

00:50:39.433 --> 00:50:40.800
HIS DAY ONE ON THE JOB.


00:50:40.900 --> 00:50:42.967
LIKE, HE LOOKED
LIKE 20 YEARS OLD.

00:50:43.067 --> 00:50:44.233
REBECCA: OH, NO!


00:50:44.333 --> 00:50:45.833
WHAT DID HE DO WITH YOU?


00:50:45.933 --> 00:50:47.866
ALIA: THEY HANDCUFFED ME
AND PUT ME IN

00:50:47.966 --> 00:50:49.600
THE BACK OF THE CAR AND
DROVE ME TO LIKE

00:50:49.700 --> 00:50:53.700
A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CENTER,
WHICH WAS A BLESSING

00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:54.599
BECAUSE IT KEPT ME SAFE


00:50:54.699 --> 00:50:56.766
LIKE, FROM MY
TRAFFICKER COMING

00:50:56.866 --> 00:50:59.800
AND, LIKE, GETTING ME.


00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:01.600
BUT IT WAS FROM THERE THAT
I WAS ABLE TO, LIKE,

00:51:01.700 --> 00:51:05.000
MAKE THE CALL TO MY PASTOR AND
BE LIKE, HEY, I'M READY.

00:51:05.100 --> 00:51:06.966
AND THIS WAS THE THIRD
TIME I'D FILLED OUT

00:51:07.066 --> 00:51:08.067
THE APPLICATION TO GO
TO THAT PROGRAM.

00:51:08.167 --> 00:51:09.266
REBECCA: WOW.


00:51:09.366 --> 00:51:11.533
ALIA: LIKE I HAD DONE
IT BEFORE WHERE THEY HAD

00:51:11.633 --> 00:51:13.533
LIKE TOLD ME THAT I SHOULD
GO, AND I WAS LIKE,

00:51:13.633 --> 00:51:15.033
WELL, YEAH, THINGS
ARE REALLY BAD,

00:51:15.133 --> 00:51:16.167
BUT THEN I BACKED OUT
BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO

00:51:16.267 --> 00:51:18.833
LEAVE MY KIDS, OBVIOUSLY.


00:51:18.933 --> 00:51:21.666
AND SHE TELLS
ME, SHE'S LIKE,

00:51:21.766 --> 00:51:25.633
I KNEW WHEN YOU CALLED
THAT YOU WERE READY,

00:51:25.733 --> 00:51:28.033
THAT IT WAS TIME.


00:51:28.133 --> 00:51:29.667
BECAUSE TO MAKE
THAT DECISION,

00:51:29.767 --> 00:51:31.633
PEOPLE AREN'T LIKE - I
KNOW IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE

00:51:31.733 --> 00:51:33.300
TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, WELL,
WHY DIDN'T YOU LEAVE

00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:35.333
IF YOU HAD
THIS OPPORTUNITY.

00:51:35.433 --> 00:51:41.999
FOR ME, MY MIND AND MY
WORLDVIEW WAS SO WARPED

00:51:42.099 --> 00:51:44.333
THAT I BELIEVED ALL OF
THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE

00:51:44.433 --> 00:51:50.100
HAD SAID, AND TO SAY
LIKE I'M BROKEN

00:51:50.200 --> 00:51:52.467
AND THIS IS HURTING ME,


00:51:52.567 --> 00:51:55.033
MEANT THAT EVERYONE
HAD LIED TO ME

00:51:55.133 --> 00:51:56.033
FOR MY WHOLE LIFE.


00:51:56.133 --> 00:51:58.500
AND I WOULD HAVE HAD
TO CONFRONT

00:51:58.600 --> 00:52:02.133
ALL OF THOSE WAYS THAT
I HAD BEEN HURT.

00:52:02.233 --> 00:52:04.033
REBECCA: AND THAT
WOULD BE SO HARD.

00:52:04.133 --> 00:52:05.200
THAT'S LIKE EARTHSHATTERING.


00:52:05.300 --> 00:52:08.399
ALIA: IT'S LIKE A FIRE HOSE
OF TRAUMA IN ONE MOMENT.

00:52:08.499 --> 00:52:09.799
REBECCA: AND YOU
HAVE TO, LIKE YOU SAID,

00:52:09.899 --> 00:52:12.333
YOU HAVE TO BE READY IN
YOUR LIFE TO FACE THAT,

00:52:12.433 --> 00:52:14.033
BECAUSE THAT'S
VERY PAINFUL.

00:52:14.133 --> 00:52:17.566
IT'S LIKE RELIVING IT ALL
OVER AGAIN TO ADDRESS IT.

00:52:17.666 --> 00:52:18.767
IT'S LIKE GOING THROUGH
PHYSICAL THERAPY

00:52:18.867 --> 00:52:19.867
FOR YOUR SOUL.


00:52:19.967 --> 00:52:20.700
SO IT'S PAINFUL.


00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:21.633
ALIA: EXACTLY.


00:52:21.733 --> 00:52:23.000
THAT'S SUCH A GOOD
WAY OF PUTTING IT.

00:52:23.100 --> 00:52:23.967
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:52:24.067 --> 00:52:27.000
SO YOU HAD TO BE
READY TO FACE IT.

00:52:27.100 --> 00:52:29.166
ALIA: AND I - AND HAD
TO BE READY TO TAKE

00:52:29.266 --> 00:52:30.566
THE RISK OF LIKE -


00:52:30.666 --> 00:52:31.633
REBECCA: LEAVING?


00:52:31.733 --> 00:52:33.100
ALIA: WELL, WHAT IF I
LEAVE AND EVERYBODY'S

00:52:33.200 --> 00:52:34.999
BEEN RIGHT ABOUT ME?


00:52:35.099 --> 00:52:40.567
WHAT IF I LEAVE AND I
CAN'T EVER BE NORMAL?

00:52:40.667 --> 00:52:44.033
WHAT IF I LEAVE AND
NOBODY EVER WILL HIRE ME?

00:52:44.133 --> 00:52:47.800
LIKE, WHAT IF I LEAVE
AND IT DOESN'T WORK?

00:52:47.900 --> 00:52:50.666
THEN THEY WERE
REALLY, REALLY RIGHT.

00:52:50.766 --> 00:52:52.566
AND LIKE TO
LET GO OF LIKE,

00:52:52.666 --> 00:52:54.433
AT LEAST THERE'S THIS KIND
OF HOPE THAT LIKE MAYBE

00:52:54.533 --> 00:52:55.766
IF I DO THAT SOMEDAY,


00:52:55.866 --> 00:52:57.599
LIKE TO ACTUALLY
DO IT AND TAKE THE RISK

00:52:57.699 --> 00:53:00.133
OF IT NOT WORKING


00:53:00.233 --> 00:53:02.467
SEEMED LIKE
A REALLY BIG DEAL, ALSO.

00:53:02.567 --> 00:53:03.667
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:53:03.767 --> 00:53:06.166
I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GIVING
SUCH GOOD INSIGHT FOR PEOPLE

00:53:06.266 --> 00:53:08.267
WHO MAYBE NEVER
EXPERIENCED THIS,

00:53:08.367 --> 00:53:09.633
THAT THEY COULD EMPATHIZE
WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE

00:53:09.733 --> 00:53:11.066
GOING THROUGH THIS.


00:53:11.166 --> 00:53:12.966
BECAUSE YOU HAD
A WHOLE WORLD,

00:53:13.066 --> 00:53:14.333
YEARS AND YEARS
AND YEARS,

00:53:14.433 --> 00:53:17.400
AND SO MANY DIFFERENT
INDIVIDUALS DOING THIS TO YOU

00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:18.800
AND PUTTING THOSE
LIES IN YOUR HEAD.

00:53:18.900 --> 00:53:19.833
AND THEN THEY,
LIKE YOU SAID,

00:53:19.933 --> 00:53:22.633
YOU HAD TO FACE WHAT
YOUR WHOLE LIFE,

00:53:22.733 --> 00:53:25.800
THE REALITY OF IT, AND
THAT'S A HUGE PILL TO SWALLOW.

00:53:25.900 --> 00:53:27.267
AND THEN THE FEAR
OF, LIKE YOU SAID,

00:53:27.367 --> 00:53:28.367
WHAT IF THIS DOESN'T WORK?


00:53:28.467 --> 00:53:29.600
I GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS
AND PUT MYSELF OUT THERE,

00:53:29.700 --> 00:53:30.233
AND IT DOESN'T WORK.


00:53:30.333 --> 00:53:31.766
THAT'S SCARY.


00:53:31.866 --> 00:53:35.766
BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A BAD
SYSTEM THAT YOU WERE IN,

00:53:35.866 --> 00:53:39.133
THEN IN YOUR MIND, IT WAS
KIND OF WORKING FOR YOU

00:53:39.233 --> 00:53:39.899
IN THE MOMENT.


00:53:39.999 --> 00:53:40.800
ALIA: RIGHT.


00:53:40.900 --> 00:53:41.933
AND THAT'S THE OTHER
LIE THAT'S TOLD.

00:53:42.033 --> 00:53:44.367
LIKE, I KNEW THAT IT
WASN'T WORKING, RIGHT.

00:53:44.467 --> 00:53:47.700
BUT IT WAS LIKE, IT'S NOT
WORKING BECAUSE

00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:48.966
THERE'S SOMETHING
WRONG WITH ME.

00:53:49.066 --> 00:53:51.133
LIKE, THAT WAS THE LIE
THAT I BELIEVED, TOO.

00:53:51.233 --> 00:53:54.800
BECAUSE JUST LIKE IN THE
SAME WAY THAT

00:53:54.900 --> 00:53:56.766
PEOPLE ARE DECEIVED
ABOUT PORN

00:53:56.866 --> 00:53:58.800
OR THEY'RE DECEIVED
ABOUT STRIP CLUBS,

00:53:58.900 --> 00:54:01.499
RIGHT, AND
THEY LOOK AT WOMEN

00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:03.366
OR WOMEN ON ONLYFANS
OR WHATEVER,

00:54:03.466 --> 00:54:06.033
AND THEY SEE LIKE
ALL OF THIS GLAMOUR.

00:54:06.133 --> 00:54:07.899
I WAS SEEING ALL THAT
GLAMOUR, TOO,

00:54:07.999 --> 00:54:10.033
OF THESE OTHER WOMEN INVOLVED.


00:54:10.133 --> 00:54:11.900
AND LIKE I WASN'T SEEING
THEM IN THEIR CAR

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:13.233
WHEN THEY'RE SOBBING.


00:54:13.333 --> 00:54:15.366
LIKE, I WASN'T SEEING THEM
WHEN THEY'RE ALSO BEING

00:54:15.466 --> 00:54:16.433
SEXUAL ASSAULTED.


00:54:16.533 --> 00:54:18.633
I WASN'T SEEING THOSE
PIECES OF THEIR LIFE.

00:54:18.733 --> 00:54:20.566
I WAS ONLY SEEING
THE GLAMOUR, ALSO.

00:54:20.666 --> 00:54:22.167
SO IN MY HEAD, I'M LIKE,
WHY IS THIS WORKING

00:54:22.267 --> 00:54:23.766
FOR EVERYBODY ELSE?


00:54:23.866 --> 00:54:25.400
REBECCA: MM.


00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:26.533
BUT THE TRUTH WAS, IT'S
REALLY NOT WORKING.

00:54:26.633 --> 00:54:27.833
ALIA: IT WASN'T
WORKING FOR ANYONE.

00:54:27.933 --> 00:54:28.999
FOR NONE OF US.


00:54:29.099 --> 00:54:31.666
BUT WE'D ALL BEEN
SOLD THE LIE.

00:54:31.766 --> 00:54:33.499
WE'D BEEN SOLD THE LIE.


00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:36.566
AND SO I FELT LIKE
IT JUST MUST BE ME.

00:54:36.666 --> 00:54:37.700
AND THAT WAS WHY
I'D BE LIKE,

00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.900
WELL, MAYBE IF I GO BACK TO
PORN, IT'LL BE OKAY.

00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.533
WELL, MAYBE IF I GO BACK
TO THE STRIP CLUB,

00:54:41.633 --> 00:54:43.899
OR MAYBE IF I DO IT THIS
WAY, IT'LL BE OKAY.

00:54:43.999 --> 00:54:46.833
BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE THE
LIFE, IT CAN'T BE THIS.

00:54:46.933 --> 00:54:49.500
IT HAS TO BE - I'M THE
PROBLEM IN ALL OF THIS.

00:54:49.600 --> 00:54:50.866
REBECCA: SO
WHAT WAS IT LIKE?

00:54:50.966 --> 00:54:52.966
SO YOU GO OFF TO CHICAGO,
RIGHT, FOR THIS PROGRAM.

00:54:53.066 --> 00:54:54.100
ALIA: MM-HM, YEAH.


00:54:54.200 --> 00:54:56.466
REBECCA: WHAT WAS
IT LIKE GOING THERE?

00:54:56.566 --> 00:55:00.900
ALIA: I LIKE TO DESCRIBE
THAT PROGRAM AS LIKE

00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:04.067
WHAT KINDERGARTEN PROBABLY
WAS FOR MOST PEOPLE,

00:55:04.167 --> 00:55:06.233
WHERE, LIKE, I COULD
HAVE JUST DRAWN LIKE

00:55:06.333 --> 00:55:07.833
A SCRIBBLE ON A
PIECE OF PAPER,

00:55:07.933 --> 00:55:10.266
AND THEY WOULD HAVE
FRAMED IT AND LIKE...

00:55:10.366 --> 00:55:11.367
[ LAUGHING ]


00:55:11.467 --> 00:55:13.633
JUST LIKE TRIED TO SELL
IT FOR A MILLION DOLLARS

00:55:13.733 --> 00:55:15.066
BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT
WAS SO VALUABLE

00:55:15.166 --> 00:55:16.567
JUST BECAUSE I MADE IT, RIGHT.


00:55:16.667 --> 00:55:19.067
LIKE, THAT'S THE WAY THAT
WE WERE TREATED

00:55:19.167 --> 00:55:20.800
IN THIS PROGRAM.


00:55:20.900 --> 00:55:21.966
REBECCA: SO THEY
TREATED YOU REALLY WELL.

00:55:22.066 --> 00:55:24.166
ALIA: SO, WE
WERE SO LOVED.

00:55:24.266 --> 00:55:25.133
REBECCA: AW.


00:55:25.233 --> 00:55:26.233
THAT'S WHAT YOU NEEDED.


00:55:26.333 --> 00:55:27.166
ALIA: AND IT IS.


00:55:27.266 --> 00:55:29.966
LIKE IT JUST - THEY
LOVED US SO MUCH.

00:55:30.066 --> 00:55:31.333
REBECCA: THAT'S WHERE
YOU CAN ACTUALLY GROW.

00:55:31.433 --> 00:55:32.500
ALIA: TOTALLY.


00:55:32.600 --> 00:55:34.100
REBECCA: IT IS AN
ENVIRONMENT OF LOVE.

00:55:34.200 --> 00:55:35.099
YOU'VE NEVER HAD THAT.


00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.433
YOU NEVER REALLY
EXPERIENCED PURE LOVE

00:55:37.533 --> 00:55:40.367
IN YOUR LIFE, SO IT MUST -
DID IT FEEL WEIRD AT FIRST?

00:55:40.467 --> 00:55:41.333
ALIA: OH,
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

00:55:41.433 --> 00:55:44.333
I WAS LIKE, THESE
CRAZY LADIES.

00:55:44.433 --> 00:55:48.000
LIKE, THEY ARE WAY TOO
EXCITED FOR ME TO BE HERE.

00:55:48.100 --> 00:55:48.866
REBECCA: IT'S ALMOST LIKE
YOU CAN'T TRUST IT AT FIRST

00:55:48.966 --> 00:55:50.199
BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE...


00:55:50.299 --> 00:55:51.267
ALIA: ABSOLUTELY.


00:55:51.367 --> 00:55:53.166
AND I GET IT, BECAUSE I
FEEL THAT WAY NOW

00:55:53.266 --> 00:55:55.133
WHEN I MEET LIKE THE GIRLS
THAT I WORK WITH,

00:55:55.233 --> 00:55:56.999
LIKE I FEEL A LITTLE BIT
LIKE I'M ON A FIRST DATE

00:55:57.099 --> 00:55:59.533
WHERE I'M LIKE, OKAY,
DON'T ACT TOO EXCITED,

00:55:59.633 --> 00:56:00.633
LIKE DON'T -


00:56:00.733 --> 00:56:01.366
REBECCA: YOU DON'T
WANT TO FREAK THEM OUT.

00:56:01.466 --> 00:56:02.766
ALIA: LIKE
DON'T FREAK OUT,

00:56:02.866 --> 00:56:03.900
DON'T LET THEM KNOW LIKE,
AND I JUST WANT TO LIKE

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:04.700
SQUEEZE THEM AND
JUST BE LIKE,

00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.200
I LOVE YOU SO MUCH.


00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:07.733
AND I KNOW THAT'S HOW


00:56:07.833 --> 00:56:08.700
[ LAUGHING ]


00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.300
THESE WOMEN WERE
FEELING WHEN I GOT THERE,

00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.166
BUT I'M LIKE, WHOA, LADY.


00:56:12.266 --> 00:56:13.133
REBECCA: YOU'RE
LIKE, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.

00:56:13.233 --> 00:56:15.566
ALIA: AND ESPECIALLY
LIKE IN THE LIFE

00:56:15.666 --> 00:56:18.233
AND IN BEING TRAFFICKED OR
PITTED AGAINST OTHER WOMEN, TOO,

00:56:18.333 --> 00:56:21.533
AND LIKE TOLD THAT
LIKE YOU'RE DIFFERENT

00:56:21.633 --> 00:56:23.966
FROM LIKE JUST THE WOMAN
AT THE GROCERY STORE

00:56:24.066 --> 00:56:25.666
WITH HER KIDS WHO HAS LIKE THIS
LOVING RELATIONSHIP,

00:56:25.766 --> 00:56:27.833
THAT SHE HATES YOU AND SHE
FINDS YOU DISGUSTING.

00:56:27.933 --> 00:56:29.333
LIKE, YOU'RE TOLD
THESE THINGS.

00:56:29.433 --> 00:56:30.199
AND SO -


00:56:30.299 --> 00:56:31.033
REBECCA: TO
FURTHER ISOLATE YOU.

00:56:31.133 --> 00:56:32.300
ALIA: MM-HM.


00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.299
AND SO IT WAS REALLY
STRANGE TO ME TO HAVE LIKE

00:56:34.399 --> 00:56:39.099
THESE NORMAL
LADIES LIKE LOVE ME.

00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:40.700
BUT LIKE THAT'S WHERE
I DID GET SAVED.

00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.033
I GOT SAVED THE FIRST DAY
THAT I WAS THERE

00:56:43.133 --> 00:56:46.866
FROM LIKE A SUPERNATURAL
EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD,

00:56:46.966 --> 00:56:48.366
AND THE WOMEN WERE
PRAYING OVER ME,

00:56:48.466 --> 00:56:50.366
AND I LIKE FELT THE
PHYSICAL SENSATION

00:56:50.466 --> 00:56:54.333
OF BAPTISM, LIKE WATER
OVER ME, IS WHAT I FELT.

00:56:54.433 --> 00:56:55.366
AND I -


00:56:55.466 --> 00:56:55.899
REBECCA: WASH YOU CLEAN.


00:56:55.999 --> 00:56:57.100
ALIA: YEAH.


00:56:57.200 --> 00:56:59.666
AND, LIKE, I'M NOT LIKE A -
LIKE, I BELIEVE IN ALL

00:56:59.766 --> 00:57:01.700
OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE THE
LORD HAS, LIKE,

00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.200
BROKEN THROUGH MY HARD HEAD.


00:57:04.300 --> 00:57:06.333
BUT THAT'S NOT LIKE MY
NATURAL INCLINATION,

00:57:06.433 --> 00:57:09.366
IT'S NOT TO LIKE BE
VERY SPIRITUAL,

00:57:09.466 --> 00:57:10.566
LIKE, IT'S COME FROM THE LORD


00:57:10.666 --> 00:57:11.700
LIKE OVER
AND OVER AGAIN,

00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.266
PROVING THAT HE'S SO MUCH
BIGGER THAN THE BOX

00:57:14.366 --> 00:57:16.333
THAT I'VE PUT HIM IN.


00:57:16.433 --> 00:57:17.500
AND SO I HAD
THAT EXPERIENCE.

00:57:17.600 --> 00:57:19.999
AND SO FOR ME, THAT
WAS LIKE, OKAY.

00:57:20.099 --> 00:57:20.900
[ LAUGHING ]


00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:21.633
I GET IT.


00:57:21.733 --> 00:57:23.766
I BELIEVE YOU.


00:57:23.866 --> 00:57:28.133
AND I JUST REALLY WANTED
TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM.

00:57:28.233 --> 00:57:32.833
AND THIS PROGRAM THAT I
WENT THROUGH WAS, LIKE,

00:57:32.933 --> 00:57:35.567
IT WAS VERY JUST DEEPLY
LIKE SOAKED IN

00:57:35.667 --> 00:57:39.467
THE HOLY SPIRIT AND IN
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE LORD,

00:57:39.567 --> 00:57:43.433
BUT ALSO IN LIKE RE-BREAKING
THOSE BROKEN BONES

00:57:43.533 --> 00:57:45.533
IN OUR SOUL AND
PUTTING THEM BACK TOGETHER,

00:57:45.633 --> 00:57:47.400
ESSENTIALLY LIKE
THE PHYSICAL THERAPY

00:57:47.500 --> 00:57:48.599
FOR YOUR SOUL, YEAH.


00:57:48.699 --> 00:57:50.067
REBECCA: DOING THE WORK
OF LIKE THE FRAGMENTS

00:57:50.167 --> 00:57:51.633
IN YOUR SOUL.


00:57:51.733 --> 00:57:52.666
ALIA: YEAH.


00:57:52.766 --> 00:57:54.533
AND LEARNING NEW THINGS,
LIKE LEARNING NEW...

00:57:54.633 --> 00:57:56.499
REBECCA: THE TRUTH
OF WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:57.966
ALIA: YEAH.


00:57:58.066 --> 00:57:59.466
REBECCA: AND LIKE
ADDRESSING THE LIES,

00:57:59.566 --> 00:58:00.900
TELLING THE TRUTH.


00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:02.133
AND THAT TAKES TIME.


00:58:02.233 --> 00:58:03.066
YOU WERE THERE FOR A YEAR.


00:58:03.166 --> 00:58:04.233
ALIA: I WAS
THERE FOR A YEAR.

00:58:04.333 --> 00:58:06.333
REBECCA: BECAUSE THAT'S -
YOU WERE HAVING TO UNDO,

00:58:06.433 --> 00:58:07.933
IT'S LIKE A KNOT
OR LIKE A BRAID.

00:58:08.033 --> 00:58:09.999
YOU HAD TO UNRAVEL
A LOT OF STUFF.

00:58:10.099 --> 00:58:10.933
ALIA: I DID.


00:58:11.033 --> 00:58:11.633
REBECCA: AND
THAT TAKES TIME.

00:58:11.733 --> 00:58:12.533
ALIA: IT DOES.


00:58:12.633 --> 00:58:14.167
REBECCA: AND
EVEN PROBABLY,

00:58:14.267 --> 00:58:16.499
I THINK ALL OF US LIKE,
WE'RE ALL ON A HEALING JOURNEY,

00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:17.933
AND IT TAKES TIME.


00:58:18.033 --> 00:58:20.633
BUT YOU PROBABLY MADE MAJOR -
HAD MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH

00:58:20.733 --> 00:58:22.499
AND MADE LEAPS AND
BOUNDS SO LIKE

00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:24.333
IN THIS PROGRAM
FOR THAT YEAR,

00:58:24.433 --> 00:58:26.833
YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY
LAID A FOUNDATION

00:58:26.933 --> 00:58:28.133
SO THAT WHEN YOU LEFT,


00:58:28.233 --> 00:58:31.533
YOU HAD THAT FOUNDATION
OF GOD AND HIS WORD.

00:58:31.633 --> 00:58:33.400
DID THEY TEACH YOU HOW TO
HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD?

00:58:33.500 --> 00:58:34.266
ALIA: THEY DID.


00:58:34.366 --> 00:58:35.633
THEY REALLY,
REALLY TAUGHT,

00:58:35.733 --> 00:58:36.333
THAT WAS LIKE A
BIG PART OF IT.

00:58:36.433 --> 00:58:37.266
REBECCA: THAT'S LIKE KEY.


00:58:37.366 --> 00:58:38.167
[ LAUGHING ]


00:58:38.267 --> 00:58:39.200
ALIA: YEAH. THAT WAS
SO MUCH OF IT.

00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:40.300
REBECCA: SO YOU CAN
LEAVE AND LIKE, OKAY,

00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:41.300
YOU'RE LIKE, I KNOW WHO
THE HOLY SPIRIT IS,

00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:43.166
I KNOW HOW TO LIKE
READ THE WORD OF GOD.

00:58:43.266 --> 00:58:45.266
BECAUSE LIKE THAT'S
HOW, WHEN YOU GET OUT,

00:58:45.366 --> 00:58:46.599
HOW YOU KEEP THAT GOING.


00:58:46.699 --> 00:58:47.400
ALIA: YEAH.


00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:48.733
SO WE DID, IN
THAT PROGRAM,

00:58:48.833 --> 00:58:52.033
WE DID LIKE DEEP TRAUMA
CARE, WE WENT TO THERAPY,

00:58:52.133 --> 00:58:54.633
AND ALL OF THESE THINGS,
AND WE DID LIKE BOOKS

00:58:54.733 --> 00:58:57.500
ON CODEPENDENCY AND TO LIKE
CHILDHOOD TRAUMA

00:58:57.600 --> 00:58:58.500
AND ALL OF THESE THINGS.


00:58:58.600 --> 00:58:59.833
REBECCA: WAS IT
LIKE SO EYE-OPENING?

00:58:59.933 --> 00:59:00.933
ALIA: IT WAS.


00:59:01.033 --> 00:59:01.533
REBECCA: WAS IT WILD?


00:59:01.633 --> 00:59:02.400
ALIA: IT WAS.


00:59:02.500 --> 00:59:03.200
REBECCA: WOULDN'T
THAT BE CRAZY?

00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:04.200
ALIA: HOW DO
THEY KNOW MY LIFE?

00:59:04.300 --> 00:59:05.433
IT WAS CRAZY.


00:59:05.533 --> 00:59:08.666
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME,
WE DID BIBLE STUDIES, RIGHT.

00:59:08.766 --> 00:59:11.466
AND SO WE - IN ALL OF
THAT WAS MIXED LIKE,

00:59:11.566 --> 00:59:14.166
WE DID LIKE<i>BATTLEFIELD OF
THE MIND</i> AND WE DID

00:59:14.266 --> 00:59:18.166
LIKE,<i>UNASHAMED,</i> WHICH IS
LIKE A CHRISTINE CAINE.

00:59:18.266 --> 00:59:20.233
SO A LOT OF BIBLE STUDIES
TOO THAT BROUGHT LIKE

00:59:20.333 --> 00:59:23.133
THE LORD INTO THOSE LIKE
REALLY BROKEN PLACES

00:59:23.233 --> 00:59:26.666
AND NORMALIZED LIKE ALLOWING
HIM INTO THOSE SPACES.

00:59:26.766 --> 00:59:29.867
AND EVERYTHING WAS,
LIKE, SOAKED IN PRAYER.

00:59:29.967 --> 00:59:33.066
AND SO THEY REALLY, LIKE,
TAUGHT US TO BE

00:59:33.166 --> 00:59:35.533
IN THOSE MOMENTS AND LIKE THEY
REALLY PUSHED LIKE HAVING

00:59:35.633 --> 00:59:37.600
ALONE TIME WITH THE LORD
AND DEVOTIONAL TIME

00:59:37.700 --> 00:59:38.533
WITH THE LORD.


00:59:38.633 --> 00:59:40.833
AND I HAD A LOT
OF QUESTIONS.

00:59:40.933 --> 00:59:43.600
LIKE, I WASN'T RAISED
WITH FAITH.

00:59:43.700 --> 00:59:46.633
LIKE I WAS NOT RAISED WITH
ANYBODY WHO READ THE BIBLE

00:59:46.733 --> 00:59:49.433
OR WHO PRAYED OPENLY,
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

00:59:49.533 --> 00:59:52.433
AND SO I HAD A LOT OF
QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE

00:59:52.533 --> 00:59:55.333
THINGS THAT I HAD SEEN AS
LIKE WHAT I THOUGHT WAS

00:59:55.433 --> 00:59:58.633
LIKE, CHRISTIANS BEING
HATEFUL TOWARDS PEOPLE.

00:59:58.733 --> 01:00:02.533
AND, LIKE, I HAD A LOT THAT
I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND,

01:00:02.633 --> 01:00:06.367
AND THEY WERE SO, LIKE,
GENTLE AND PATIENT

01:00:06.467 --> 01:00:09.267
AND WISE IN THE WAY
THAT THEY RESPONDED

01:00:09.367 --> 01:00:12.466
AND REALLY PRAYERFUL IN,
LIKE, ADDRESSING, LIKE,

01:00:12.566 --> 01:00:13.999
I DIDN'T HAVE CHURCH HURT
BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED.

01:00:14.099 --> 01:00:16.466
BUT I HAD KNOWN A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN HURT

01:00:16.566 --> 01:00:19.466
BY PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT THEY
WERE REPRESENTING THE LORD.

01:00:19.566 --> 01:00:23.199
AND THEY SPENT SO MUCH
TIME UNPACKING

01:00:23.299 --> 01:00:26.900
THOSE THINGS TOO AND, LIKE, ANY
KIND OF STRONGHOLDS

01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.566
THAT I STILL HAD, LIKE, LETTING
GO OF THOSE FOR ME

01:00:29.666 --> 01:00:30.866
AND ENCOURAGING ME IN
EVERYTHING THAT

01:00:30.966 --> 01:00:32.733
I WAS CAPABLE OF.


01:00:32.833 --> 01:00:35.400
REBECCA: AND LIKE
THE OTHER THING IS,

01:00:35.500 --> 01:00:38.866
WHEN YOU WERE HAVING
TO REPROCESS YOUR LIFE

01:00:38.966 --> 01:00:41.633
THROUGH THIS NEW LENS,
YOU'RE PROBABLY -

01:00:41.733 --> 01:00:42.800
DID YOU FEEL LIKE
MAYBE GROWING UP,

01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:45.400
LIKE, GOD, WHERE WERE YOU,


01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:47.733
WHY DID ALL THIS BAD
STUFF HAPPEN TO ME?

01:00:47.833 --> 01:00:50.799
WERE YOU ABLE TO
PROCESS THAT ASPECT?

01:00:50.899 --> 01:00:53.700
ALIA: I GUESS I DIDN'T -
I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE

01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:55.767
STRUGGLE WITH THAT PIECE.


01:00:55.867 --> 01:01:01.700
AND LIKE FOR ME, I DIDN'T
EVER REALLY BLAME GOD.

01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:04.000
EVEN AS A KID,
I HAD FELT LIKE,

01:01:04.100 --> 01:01:05.700
EVEN WHEN I FELT LIKE,
WELL, GOD'S PROBABLY REAL,

01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:07.067
HE'S JUST TOO BUSY.


01:01:07.167 --> 01:01:08.733
LIKE, I WAS LIKE, THERE'S
CHILD - STARVING CHILDREN

01:01:08.833 --> 01:01:11.666
IN AFRICA LIKE I'M JUST -
LIKE, THAT'S HOW I ALWAYS

01:01:11.766 --> 01:01:14.799
LOOKED AT IT WAS, LIKE, I
UNDERSTAND, GOD'S BUSY.

01:01:14.899 --> 01:01:18.133
LIKE, THAT'S, IN MY HEAD,
THE WAY I PROCESSED IT WAS

01:01:18.233 --> 01:01:20.233
LIKE, AS A YOUNG KID EVEN
THINKING LIKE THIS ALL

01:01:20.333 --> 01:01:22.333
ISN'T REAL, EVEN
IF THERE IS A GOD,

01:01:22.433 --> 01:01:23.833
WHY WOULD HE
CARE ABOUT ME?

01:01:23.933 --> 01:01:26.333
LIKE, THERE'S SO MANY OTHER
PEOPLE TO CARE ABOUT.

01:01:26.433 --> 01:01:30.233
AND SO I THINK I WAS
SO MUCH MORE LIKE,

01:01:30.333 --> 01:01:32.466
WHAT DO YOU MEAN GOD'S
BEEN THERE THE WHOLE TIME?

01:01:32.566 --> 01:01:33.633
LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?


01:01:33.733 --> 01:01:37.100
AND IT WAS SO EASY FOR ME
TO LOOK BACK AND SEE LIKE,

01:01:37.200 --> 01:01:40.767
OKAY, THE LORD DIDN'T
CAUSE THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

01:01:40.867 --> 01:01:42.667
AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT
WAS EXPLAINED TO ME BY

01:01:42.767 --> 01:01:45.200
PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTOOD
RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT,

01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:47.100
THAT, LIKE, THE LORD DIDN'T
CAUSE THESE THINGS

01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:48.433
TO HAPPEN TO ME.


01:01:48.533 --> 01:01:50.466
BUT IF I WAS GOING TO
LET HIM INTO MY LIFE,

01:01:50.566 --> 01:01:53.433
HE WAS PROMISING TO
USE THEM FOR GOOD.

01:01:53.533 --> 01:01:54.500
LIKE, HE WAS PROMISING -


01:01:54.600 --> 01:01:55.799
REBECCA: IT WASN'T
FOR NOTHING.

01:01:55.899 --> 01:01:57.900
ALIA: AND THOSE WERE THE VERSES
THAT WERE LIKE ALL OVER US

01:01:58.000 --> 01:01:59.000
WHEN WE WERE THERE.


01:01:59.100 --> 01:02:01.400
AND I BET THAT'S WHY I
DIDN'T STRUGGLE WITH THAT

01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:03.333
WAS BECAUSE, LIKE,
BEAUTY FOR ASHES,

01:02:03.433 --> 01:02:06.200
ALL OF THESE VERSES THAT
LIKE HOW HE PROMISES

01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:10.567
TO RESTORE YOU AND, LIKE,
CONVERSATIONS AROUND JOB,

01:02:10.667 --> 01:02:11.999
AND ALL OF THESE THINGS
WERE PART OF

01:02:12.099 --> 01:02:13.867
OUR EVERYDAY LIFE.


01:02:13.967 --> 01:02:16.599
AND SO I SAW IN THE BIBLE
PEOPLE WHO EXPERIENCED

01:02:16.699 --> 01:02:19.566
THINGS LIKE I DID, AND I
SAW THE WAY THAT GOD WAS

01:02:19.666 --> 01:02:21.766
WEAVING THROUGH THEIR
LIVES, EVEN BEFORE.

01:02:21.866 --> 01:02:23.133
LIKE, I SAW RAHAB.


01:02:23.233 --> 01:02:25.299
THOSE WERE THINGS THAT
WERE INTRODUCED VERY EARLY

01:02:25.399 --> 01:02:26.900
IN MY FAITH.


01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:30.200
AND SO I WAS ABLE TO LOOK
BACK AND BE LIKE, WOW,

01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:31.567
THE LORD SAVED ME HERE.


01:02:31.667 --> 01:02:33.967
LIKE, WHEN I JUST THOUGHT
LIKE, WHY DIDN'T THIS,

01:02:34.067 --> 01:02:35.599
IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS
WHERE IT WAS LIKE,

01:02:35.699 --> 01:02:38.533
I KNEW THAT I WAS LUCKY TO
GET OUT OF THAT SITUATION ALIVE.

01:02:38.633 --> 01:02:41.633
LIKE, I CAN GO BACK AND BE
LIKE, THAT WAS THE LORD.

01:02:41.733 --> 01:02:45.499
AND HE CONTINUED TO PUT,
EVEN THOUGH I WASN'T A BELIEVER,

01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:48.100
HE CONTINUED TO
PUT BELIEVERS IN MY LIFE

01:02:48.200 --> 01:02:50.099
THROUGHOUT MY LIFE.


01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:51.466
REBECCA: TO LIKE
PLANT THOSE SEEDS,

01:02:51.566 --> 01:02:53.300
TO GET YOU TO THE POINT TO
WHERE YOU WOULD ONE DAY

01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:54.499
BECOME A BELIEVER
YOURSELF.

01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:56.699
ALIA: YEAH, YEAH.


01:02:56.799 --> 01:02:57.933
REBECCA: SO HE WAS
ALWAYS PURSUING YOU.

01:02:58.033 --> 01:02:59.300
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU
LOOK BACK ON IT,

01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:01.300
AND, LIKE, YOU WERE IN A
LOT OF REALLY

01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:02.767
SKETCHY SITUATIONS.


01:03:02.867 --> 01:03:03.733
YOU EASILY COULD
HAVE BEEN KILLED.

01:03:03.833 --> 01:03:04.833
ALIA: VERY MUCH SO.


01:03:04.933 --> 01:03:06.266
REBECCA: AND
YOU WEREN'T.

01:03:06.366 --> 01:03:07.233
PRAISE GOD.


01:03:07.333 --> 01:03:08.333
ALIA: YEAH.


01:03:08.433 --> 01:03:09.633
HE HAD - I JUST THINK HE
HAD WORK THAT HE WANTED

01:03:09.733 --> 01:03:14.533
TO DO TOGETHER AND THAT HE
WAS GOING TO INVITE ME INTO,

01:03:14.633 --> 01:03:17.266
AND SO HE KEPT ME SAFE.


01:03:17.366 --> 01:03:20.099
AND EVEN THINGS, EVEN IF
IT WASN'T LIKE DEATH,

01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:21.599
THERE WERE THINGS THAT
WERE SO BAD BUT I KNOW

01:03:21.699 --> 01:03:24.100
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN
EVEN WORSE, RIGHT,

01:03:24.200 --> 01:03:25.200
IF HE WASN'T THERE.


01:03:25.300 --> 01:03:26.633
SO IT'S EASY FOR ME TO
LOOK BACK AND SEE THE WAY

01:03:26.733 --> 01:03:29.867
THAT HE WAS PREPARING
A TABLE FOR ME.

01:03:29.967 --> 01:03:33.800
AND SO I THINK I WAS
REALLY JUST BLESSED

01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:36.233
TO HAVE MY FIRST
INTRODUCTIONS WITH FAITH

01:03:36.333 --> 01:03:41.566
BE WITH SUCH CHRISTLIKE
PEOPLE THAT I KNEW, LIKE,

01:03:41.666 --> 01:03:43.866
THESE PEOPLE LOVE ME
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE AN

01:03:43.966 --> 01:03:45.299
EXTENSION OF HIS LOVE.


01:03:45.399 --> 01:03:47.333
AND SO THAT'S THE WAY
THAT GOD CARES FOR ME.

01:03:47.433 --> 01:03:50.399
AND I JUST FELT LIKE THE
DEEP COMPASSION FROM THE LORD

01:03:50.499 --> 01:03:53.333
IN THAT LIKE THEY
USED ALL OF THOSE THINGS

01:03:53.433 --> 01:03:55.333
THAT TELL US THAT HE'S
WITH US IN OUR PAIN

01:03:55.433 --> 01:03:57.633
AND THAT HE'S, LIKE, SAVING
EVERY TEAR IN A BOTTLE.

01:03:57.733 --> 01:03:59.800
LIKE, THEY USED THOSE
VERY EARLY ON.

01:03:59.900 --> 01:04:03.133
AND SO I KNEW RIGHT AWAY
THAT LIKE THE THINGS

01:04:03.233 --> 01:04:08.233
THAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME HAD
COME FROM PEOPLE

01:04:08.333 --> 01:04:12.167
GOING AGAINST HIS WILL FOR MY
LIFE AND THEIR LIFE

01:04:12.267 --> 01:04:14.267
AND HAD NOT COME
FROM THE LORD,

01:04:14.367 --> 01:04:16.900
AND NEVER HAD BEEN
WHAT HE WANTED FOR ME.

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:18.033
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:04:18.133 --> 01:04:20.133
AND THERE'S A WHOLE WORLD
OF DARKNESS AT WORK, TOO.

01:04:20.233 --> 01:04:24.000
AND THAT EXPLAINS SO MUCH
EVIL IN THE WORLD, TOO.

01:04:24.100 --> 01:04:25.366
AND THEN PEOPLE'S
OWN FREE WILL.

01:04:25.466 --> 01:04:26.933
THAT WHOLE THING.


01:04:27.033 --> 01:04:28.133
AND, LIKE, MONEY.


01:04:28.233 --> 01:04:30.699
MONEY IS THE ROOT OF
ALL KINDS OF EVIL

01:04:30.799 --> 01:04:33.166
IT SAYS IN TIMOTHY, AND
THAT WAS WHAT FUELS SO MUCH

01:04:33.266 --> 01:04:35.967
OF THAT INDUSTRY
IS THE LOVE OF MONEY.

01:04:36.067 --> 01:04:37.433
AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO
TERRIBLE THINGS

01:04:37.533 --> 01:04:38.533
TO GET THAT MONEY.


01:04:38.633 --> 01:04:39.799
ALIA: ABSOLUTELY.


01:04:39.899 --> 01:04:41.000
REBECCA: SO YOU GO
TO THIS PROGRAM,

01:04:41.100 --> 01:04:42.399
YOU'RE THERE FOR A YEAR.


01:04:42.499 --> 01:04:43.699
SO WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN YOU GET OUT?

01:04:43.799 --> 01:04:44.833
ALIA: YEAH.


01:04:44.933 --> 01:04:50.333
SO I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO
GO INTO - I GOT A JOB AT A

01:04:50.433 --> 01:04:53.266
CHRISTIAN CAMP RUNNING
THEIR HORSE PROGRAM,

01:04:53.366 --> 01:04:54.233
WHICH WAS REALLY SWEET.


01:04:54.333 --> 01:04:54.967
REBECCA: OH, FUN!


01:04:55.067 --> 01:04:55.700
ALIA: IT WAS SO FUN.


01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:56.733
REBECCA: I LOVE HORSES.


01:04:56.833 --> 01:04:57.800
ALIA: AND SO DO I.


01:04:57.900 --> 01:04:58.733
AND THEY -


01:04:58.833 --> 01:04:59.333
REBECCA: SO IT
SOUNDS KINDA HEALING.

01:04:59.433 --> 01:05:00.566
ALIA: IT WAS HEALING.


01:05:00.666 --> 01:05:01.666
REBECCA: AW.


01:05:01.766 --> 01:05:02.699
ALIA: AND IT WAS LIKE
IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.

01:05:02.799 --> 01:05:03.667
REBECCA: AW.


01:05:03.767 --> 01:05:05.200
THAT'S HEALING, TOO,
BEING OUT IN NATURE.

01:05:05.300 --> 01:05:06.333
ALIA: IT WAS LIKE A
TRANSITIONAL STEP FOR ME.

01:05:06.433 --> 01:05:07.366
REBECCA: THAT'S PERFECT.


01:05:07.466 --> 01:05:08.433
ALIA: YEAH.


01:05:08.533 --> 01:05:09.733
SO IT WAS LIKE, I REALLY
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN READY

01:05:09.833 --> 01:05:10.833
TO JUST LIKE...


01:05:10.933 --> 01:05:12.233
REBECCA: GO BACK OUT
INTO THE FULL-BLOWN WORLD.

01:05:12.333 --> 01:05:13.633
ALIA: NO. I WASN'T.


01:05:13.733 --> 01:05:17.533
AND LIKE I - SO THIS LIKE
FAMILY THAT RAN THE CAMP

01:05:17.633 --> 01:05:20.433
TOOK ME IN AS LIKE
THEIR DAUGHTER.

01:05:20.533 --> 01:05:26.333
AND JUST REALLY POURED
INTO ME AND TAUGHT ME ALL

01:05:26.433 --> 01:05:31.066
OF THESE THINGS ABOUT LIFE
AND OF BEING IN MINISTRY.

01:05:31.166 --> 01:05:35.867
AND I KNEW THAT THE LORD
WAS GOING TO CALL ME INTO

01:05:35.967 --> 01:05:36.999
ANTI-TRAFFICKING MINISTRY.


01:05:37.099 --> 01:05:39.667
I DID NOT WANT TO DO IT
AT ALL, BUT I WAS LIKE,

01:05:39.767 --> 01:05:43.366
LORD, I'LL DO WHATEVER
YOU TELL ME, EXCEPT THAT.

01:05:43.466 --> 01:05:45.300
LIKE, I'LL GO ANYWHERE,
JUST NOT THERE.

01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:47.200
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BE
IN MINISTRY - OR I DIDN'T

01:05:47.300 --> 01:05:50.466
WANT TO WORK IN LIKE
ANTI-TRAFFICKING MINISTRY

01:05:50.566 --> 01:05:52.267
BECAUSE IT WAS JUST
PAINFUL TO THINK ABOUT.

01:05:52.367 --> 01:05:54.333
AND I JUST, LIKE, I'D BEEN
GIVEN THIS NEW LIFE,

01:05:54.433 --> 01:05:57.833
RIGHT, LIKE, I JUST WANTED
TO LIVE THAT NEW LIFE.

01:05:57.933 --> 01:05:59.233
REBECCA: THAT'S
UNDERSTANDABLE.

01:05:59.333 --> 01:06:00.466
ALIA: YEAH, IT IS.


01:06:00.566 --> 01:06:02.366
AND THERE'S SO MANY
SURVIVORS THAT DO THAT,

01:06:02.466 --> 01:06:05.566
AND I JUST THINK LIKE I'M
SO HAPPY FOR THEM

01:06:05.666 --> 01:06:07.566
THAT THEY GET TO WALK
AWAY FOREVER,

01:06:07.666 --> 01:06:09.233
AND THEY DESERVE THAT.


01:06:09.333 --> 01:06:12.966
BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT THE
LORD WAS CALLING ME INTO.

01:06:13.066 --> 01:06:15.733
AND I WAS STILL
LIVING IN THE PROGRAM.

01:06:15.833 --> 01:06:18.033
ACTUALLY, IT WAS
MY FIRST CHRISTMAS.

01:06:18.133 --> 01:06:23.100
AND I WENT HOME AND I WENT
TO LIKE A CHRISTMAS EVE DINNER

01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:26.100
AT THE HOME OF
THE WOMAN WHO HAD BEEN

01:06:26.200 --> 01:06:28.667
MENTORING ME, LIKE THE
PASTOR'S MOM

01:06:28.767 --> 01:06:31.766
AT THAT CHURCH, AND WE DID
CHRISTMAS EVE THERE.

01:06:31.866 --> 01:06:34.967
AND SHE HAD THIS YOUNG
GIRL THAT SHE WAS MENTORING.

01:06:35.067 --> 01:06:37.799
I THINK SHE WAS
ABOUT 14 OR 15.

01:06:37.899 --> 01:06:40.733
AND SHE WANTED ME TO TALK
TO THIS GIRL AND THIS GIRL

01:06:40.833 --> 01:06:43.399
HAD EXPERIENCED EVERYTHING
THAT I HAD EXPERIENCED.

01:06:43.499 --> 01:06:46.666
AND SHE WANTED ME
TO TALK TO HER.

01:06:46.766 --> 01:06:50.399
AND I WAS LIKE, I HAVE
NOTHING TO OFFER THIS GIRL.

01:06:50.499 --> 01:06:51.900
[ LAUGHING ]


01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:53.966
I AM BARELY
EVEN OKAY MYSELF.

01:06:54.066 --> 01:06:55.433
I'VE BEEN OUT
LESS THAN A YEAR.

01:06:55.533 --> 01:06:57.667
LIKE, I HAVE NOTHING
TO OFFER HER.

01:06:57.767 --> 01:07:01.733
AND YET, THE LORD
WORKED THROUGH ME TO,

01:07:01.833 --> 01:07:04.733
I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT
I SAID TO THIS SWEET GIRL,

01:07:04.833 --> 01:07:07.799
I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I DO
REMEMBER LIKE THE LOOK

01:07:07.899 --> 01:07:11.633
ON HER FACE AND
THAT SHE WAS -

01:07:11.733 --> 01:07:13.500
SHE FELT SO SEEN,


01:07:13.600 --> 01:07:16.633
AND THAT THE LORD WAS LIKE
ALLOWING ME TO BE USED

01:07:16.733 --> 01:07:18.366
AND HIM HAVING A
MOMENT WITH HER.

01:07:18.466 --> 01:07:20.333
IT WAS LIKE HIS
MOMENT WITH HER,

01:07:20.433 --> 01:07:23.099
AND HE WAS CHOOSING TO
LIKE USE ME AS THE VESSEL

01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.900
TO HAVE THAT
MOMENT WITH HER.

01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.400
AND I WAS JUST, LIKE,
IN AWE OF THAT

01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:32.166
AND ALSO OF HER.


01:07:32.266 --> 01:07:38.166
LIKE, HOW VIVACIOUS SHE WAS
AND HOW SMART SHE WAS,

01:07:38.266 --> 01:07:41.233
AND LIKE THIS LITTLE GIRL WHO
HAD GONE THROUGH SO MUCH

01:07:41.333 --> 01:07:43.933
AND LIKE, I FULLY BELIEVE
THAT SHE WAS CAPABLE OF

01:07:44.033 --> 01:07:45.800
TAKING OVER THE WORLD.


01:07:45.900 --> 01:07:47.533
LIKE SHE WAS - AND SHE IS.


01:07:47.633 --> 01:07:50.200
SHE'S SO AMAZING, STILL.


01:07:50.300 --> 01:07:53.266
AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY.


01:07:53.366 --> 01:07:54.299
I GET IT.


01:07:54.399 --> 01:07:56.233
IT'S NOT ABOUT ME.


01:07:56.333 --> 01:08:00.400
LIKE, IT'S NOT ABOUT LIKE
ME DOING THIS FOR ME

01:08:00.500 --> 01:08:01.833
BECAUSE I AM A SURVIVOR.


01:08:01.933 --> 01:08:03.633
IT'S ABOUT THEM.


01:08:03.733 --> 01:08:06.800
LIKE, IT'S ABOUT
WHAT SHE NEEDS,

01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:11.733
AND YOU'RE GOING TO - LIKE
I'M PRIVILEGED TO, LIKE,

01:08:11.833 --> 01:08:13.699
GET TO BE APART OF WHAT YOU'RE
GOING TO DO FOR HER,

01:08:13.799 --> 01:08:15.100
AND I DON'T WANT
TO MISS OUT ON IT.

01:08:15.200 --> 01:08:16.299
LIKE, I WANT TO WATCH.


01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:19.200
LIKE, I WANT TO SEE THESE
GIRLS AND WHAT

01:08:19.300 --> 01:08:21.700
YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND LIKE
HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.

01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.900
BUT I DID FEEL LIKE THE
LORD WAS LIKE, COOL.

01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:26.066
NOW WAIT.


01:08:26.166 --> 01:08:26.966
RIGHT.


01:08:27.066 --> 01:08:27.733
LIKE, GREAT.


01:08:27.833 --> 01:08:28.966
SO GLAD THAT
YOU'RE ON BOARD.

01:08:29.066 --> 01:08:31.233
NOW, SIT WITH
THAT FOR A WHILE.

01:08:31.333 --> 01:08:34.367
AND I KNEW, LIKE, WHEN IT'S
TIME, LIKE, HE'S GOING TO

01:08:34.467 --> 01:08:36.200
CALL ME INTO WORKING
IN THAT FIELD.

01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:37.333
REBECCA: HE
OPENED THAT DOOR.

01:08:37.433 --> 01:08:41.599
ALIA: AND SO THIS
COUPLE THAT TAUGHT ME,

01:08:41.699 --> 01:08:43.799
THAT LIKE BROUGHT ME IN
TO WORK AT THIS CAMP,

01:08:43.899 --> 01:08:45.966
LIKE, THEY TAUGHT ME ALL
ABOUT BEING IN MINISTRY.

01:08:46.066 --> 01:08:47.733
THEY'VE BEEN IN MINISTRY
LIKE FORTY YEARS.

01:08:47.833 --> 01:08:49.033
THEY'RE AN OLDER COUPLE.


01:08:49.133 --> 01:08:51.600
AND LIKE MINISTRY IS
CLEANING TOILETS

01:08:51.700 --> 01:08:55.233
AND MINISTRY IS LIKE
ALL OF SERVING.

01:08:55.333 --> 01:08:58.233
AND SO I GOT TO HAVE
THAT FOUNDATION, TOO.

01:08:58.333 --> 01:09:01.800
AND THEN THEY ENCOURAGED
ME TO GO TO BIBLE COLLEGE.

01:09:01.900 --> 01:09:03.733
AND GOING TO COLLEGE
WAS SOMETHING I HAD

01:09:03.833 --> 01:09:05.800
ALWAYS WANTED TO DO.


01:09:05.900 --> 01:09:08.666
AND SO THEY HELPED ME
LIKE FILL OUT ALL

01:09:08.766 --> 01:09:10.266
OF MY PAPERWORK TO DO THAT.


01:09:10.366 --> 01:09:12.067
AND THEY DROVE ME THERE.


01:09:12.167 --> 01:09:14.300
LIKE, THEY DROVE ME AND
DROPPED ME OFF

01:09:14.400 --> 01:09:17.966
AT SCHOOL IN CHICAGO.


01:09:18.066 --> 01:09:19.633
REBECCA: AND YOU WENT
TO A BIBLE COLLEGE, RIGHT?

01:09:19.733 --> 01:09:20.733
ALIA: I DID.
I WENT TO MOODY.

01:09:20.833 --> 01:09:22.099
I WENT TO MOODY
BIBLE COLLEGE.

01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:23.500
REBECCA: WHICH IS LIKE
EXTRAORDINARY BECAUSE

01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:25.766
YOU HADN'T EVEN FINISHED
HIGH SCHOOL.

01:09:25.866 --> 01:09:27.566
SO YOU'RE ABLE TO GET YOUR
GED AND GO TO COLLEGE.

01:09:27.666 --> 01:09:28.567
ALIA: I WAS
ABLE TO GET MY GED.

01:09:28.667 --> 01:09:31.000
I GOT MY GED WHILE I
WAS IN THE PROGRAM.

01:09:31.100 --> 01:09:31.966
REBECCA: THAT'S AMAZING.


01:09:32.066 --> 01:09:32.900
ALIA: YEAH.


01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:34.599
AND I TOOK MY SATS
WHILE I WAS THERE.

01:09:34.699 --> 01:09:36.300
LIKE, ALL OF THESE
THINGS, ALL OF THESE

01:09:36.400 --> 01:09:38.266
SELF-DISCOVERY AND LIKE
ACHIEVEMENT THINGS

01:09:38.366 --> 01:09:40.133
THAT MOST PEOPLE WERE
EXPERIENCING IN HIGH SCHOOL,

01:09:40.233 --> 01:09:42.400
BUT I WAS BEING
TRAFFICKED, RIGHT.

01:09:42.500 --> 01:09:45.666
AND SO I, LIKE, YEAH, I WAS
ABLE TO DO ALL OF THAT

01:09:45.766 --> 01:09:46.767
AND GO TO SCHOOL.


01:09:46.867 --> 01:09:48.666
AND MOODY IS A
GREAT SCHOOL FOR LIKE

01:09:48.766 --> 01:09:51.433
NON-CONVENTIONAL, LIKE
STUDENTS LIKE THERE'S

01:09:51.533 --> 01:09:53.233
A LOT OF 18-YEAR-OLDS AND
THEN THERE'S A LOT OF

01:09:53.333 --> 01:09:55.733
30-YEAR-OLDS AT
THAT SCHOOL, TOO.

01:09:55.833 --> 01:09:58.800
AND SO THAT WAS REALLY
JUST A GOOD FIT FOR ME.

01:09:58.900 --> 01:10:01.933
AND IT WAS A SWEET TIME,
LIKE, WHERE I GOT TO LEARN

01:10:02.033 --> 01:10:03.633
SO MUCH MORE.


01:10:03.733 --> 01:10:06.200
AND SO MUCH MORE ABOUT
LIKE THAT I HAD SO MUCH

01:10:06.300 --> 01:10:08.133
MORE TO SAY AND SO MUCH
MORE TO SHARE

01:10:08.233 --> 01:10:09.666
THAN JUST MY STORY, TOO.


01:10:09.766 --> 01:10:12.167
LIKE, THAT WAS SOMETHING
THAT I HAD TO LEARN THERE,

01:10:12.267 --> 01:10:14.333
THAT THERE WAS LIKE SO
MUCH MORE TO THE LORD AND

01:10:14.433 --> 01:10:16.400
WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE'S
INVITING ME INTO

01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:18.966
THAN JUST MY TESTIMONY.


01:10:19.066 --> 01:10:21.400
AND SO THAT WAS, LIKE,
REALLY SPECIAL.

01:10:21.500 --> 01:10:25.133
AND, YEAH, I WENT TO MOODY,
AND I DID A PASTORAL RESIDENCY

01:10:25.233 --> 01:10:27.600
AT A CHURCH IN CHICAGO
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE.

01:10:27.700 --> 01:10:28.133
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.


01:10:28.233 --> 01:10:29.067
THAT'S SO COOL.


01:10:29.167 --> 01:10:30.133
ALIA: IT WAS.


01:10:30.233 --> 01:10:32.300
IT WAS LIKE A REALLY -
I GOT TO, YEAH,

01:10:32.400 --> 01:10:34.767
LIKE MUSIC'S ALWAYS BEEN
A REALLY BIG PART OF MY LIFE,

01:10:34.867 --> 01:10:37.766
AND I WAS INVOLVED
WITH LIKE A GROUP OF FRIENDS

01:10:37.866 --> 01:10:39.333
WHERE WE WERE,
LIKE, RECORDING MUSIC.

01:10:39.433 --> 01:10:42.199
IT WAS ALL OF THESE
REDEEMING TIMES FOR ME

01:10:42.299 --> 01:10:44.133
OF THE LORD GIVING ME
BACK ALL OF THESE, LIKE,

01:10:44.233 --> 01:10:47.666
CHILDHOOD DREAMS
THAT HAD BEEN STOLEN.

01:10:47.766 --> 01:10:50.866
AND LIKE JUST USING THEM
TO PREPARE ME FOR WHEN HE

01:10:50.966 --> 01:10:55.333
WOULD EVENTUALLY CALL ME
INTO MINISTRY FULL TIME.

01:10:55.433 --> 01:10:57.099
REBECCA: SO ONE OF THE
THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT

01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:59.833
THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOUR
STORY IS FORGIVENESS.

01:10:59.933 --> 01:11:01.867
AND YOU WERE ABLE TO HAVE
LIKE A RECONCILIATION

01:11:01.967 --> 01:11:03.133
WITH YOUR MOM.


01:11:03.233 --> 01:11:04.199
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?


01:11:04.299 --> 01:11:05.066
ALIA: YEAH.


01:11:05.166 --> 01:11:06.300
AND IT WAS TWO-SIDED.


01:11:06.400 --> 01:11:10.067
LIKE, I WAS ABLE TO, AND I
THINK IT REALLY HAPPENED

01:11:10.167 --> 01:11:12.533
BEFORE I GOT SAVED,
TO BE HONEST.

01:11:12.633 --> 01:11:16.166
LIKE, AS I BECAME A MOM AND
I STARTED TO UNDERSTAND.

01:11:16.266 --> 01:11:17.533
REBECCA: IT DOES
SHIFT YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

01:11:17.633 --> 01:11:19.300
ALIA: IT DOES.


01:11:19.400 --> 01:11:21.833
AND STARTED TO UNDERSTAND
LIKE MY OWN FAILINGS

01:11:21.933 --> 01:11:23.467
AND JUST HOW HARD
THINGS WERE.

01:11:23.567 --> 01:11:24.800
AND THEN ALSO LIKE WHEN
YOU'RE GROWING UP,

01:11:24.900 --> 01:11:26.800
YOU DON'T THINK LIKE OF
HOW OLD YOUR PARENTS ARE,

01:11:26.900 --> 01:11:27.866
EITHER, RIGHT.


01:11:27.966 --> 01:11:29.500
LIKE THEY'RE THE ADULT.


01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.966
BUT LIKE, AS I STARTED TO
HIT THE AGE THAT SHE WAS,

01:11:33.066 --> 01:11:34.667
AT CERTAIN MILESTONES
WHERE SHE'D FAILED ME

01:11:34.767 --> 01:11:36.767
IN MY LIFE, I STARTED TO
REALIZE LIKE

01:11:36.867 --> 01:11:39.199
HOW YOUNG THAT WAS, RIGHT.


01:11:39.299 --> 01:11:43.299
AND I'M LIKE, MY GOSH,
LIKE, SHE DIDN'T KNOW.

01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:44.866
AND WAS SHE
DOING HER BEST.

01:11:44.966 --> 01:11:46.400
AND SO EVEN BEFORE
I GOT SAVED,

01:11:46.500 --> 01:11:48.933
I STARTED TO ACCEPT HER
FOR WHO SHE WAS

01:11:49.033 --> 01:11:50.866
AND FORGIVE HER FOR THINGS.


01:11:50.966 --> 01:11:54.866
AND THEN WHEN I GOT SAVED,
SHE REALLY STEPPED IN

01:11:54.966 --> 01:11:57.766
IN A REALLY BIG WAY
WITH LIKE MY YOUNGEST

01:11:57.866 --> 01:12:00.400
AND TAKING CUSTODY OF HIM AND
WATCHING HER LIKE BECAUSE

01:12:00.500 --> 01:12:04.033
SHE HAD ALREADY EXPERIENCED
A LOT OF HEALING HERSELF.

01:12:04.133 --> 01:12:07.300
AND SO WATCHING HER DO
THAT AND LIKE REALLY BE THERE

01:12:07.400 --> 01:12:09.699
FOR ME IN THAT WAY.


01:12:09.799 --> 01:12:14.433
AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME
CONVERSATIONS WHERE, LIKE,

01:12:14.533 --> 01:12:17.033
HAVE ALLOWED ME TO FORGIVE
HER EVEN MORE BECAUSE

01:12:17.133 --> 01:12:19.500
SHE'S TAKEN
ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT.

01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.067
AND, LIKE, A LOT OF THE
THINGS THAT I'VE HAD

01:12:21.167 --> 01:12:24.033
TO FORGIVE WITH PEOPLE
OUTSIDE OF MY MOM,

01:12:24.133 --> 01:12:26.000
LIKE PEOPLE WHO HURT ME,
I'VE HAD TO ONLY JUST

01:12:26.100 --> 01:12:27.966
DO THE ONE SIDE, RIGHT.


01:12:28.066 --> 01:12:30.033
LIKE, I CAN FORGIVE THEM, I
CAN KNOW THAT, LIKE,

01:12:30.133 --> 01:12:31.333
BECAUSE THEY'RE A CHILD OF GOD.


01:12:31.433 --> 01:12:34.866
BUT TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO
WAS A PART OF WHY I WAS HURT

01:12:34.966 --> 01:12:37.667
ACTUALLY APOLOGIZE,
LIKE IT DID ALLOW FOR

01:12:37.767 --> 01:12:38.999
AN EXTRA LEVEL OF HEALING.


01:12:39.099 --> 01:12:40.166
AND MORE THAN
JUST FORGIVENESS,

01:12:40.266 --> 01:12:41.900
RECONCILIATION, RIGHT.


01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.366
FOR HER TO TAKE
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR -

01:12:44.466 --> 01:12:45.933
SHE KNOWS THE THINGS
THAT SHE WISHES

01:12:46.033 --> 01:12:49.199
SHE'D DONE DIFFERENTLY, AND
I BELIEVE LIKE, YEAH,

01:12:49.299 --> 01:12:50.300
HER BEST WASN'T
GOOD ENOUGH,

01:12:50.400 --> 01:12:53.666
BUT IT WAS HER BEST THAT
SHE HAD AT THE TIME.

01:12:53.766 --> 01:12:56.133
AND NOW HER
BEST IS DIFFERENT.

01:12:56.233 --> 01:12:57.099
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:59.100
ALIA: NOW HER BEST
IS BETTER THAN THAT.

01:12:59.200 --> 01:13:02.399
AND IT'S ALSO JUST
AMAZING TO ME LIKE I,

01:13:02.499 --> 01:13:05.967
IN SO MANY WAYS, I NEED MY
MOM JUST AS MUCH NOW AS I DID.

01:13:06.067 --> 01:13:06.899
REBECCA: IT'S TRUE.


01:13:06.999 --> 01:13:07.699
IT'S WEIRD.


01:13:07.799 --> 01:13:08.533
[ LAUGHING ]


01:13:08.633 --> 01:13:09.400
ALIA: I'M LIKE, HELP!


01:13:09.500 --> 01:13:10.533
REBECCA: A
FULL-GROWN WOMAN.

01:13:10.633 --> 01:13:12.600
LIKE, YOU STILL WANT A
RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR MOM.

01:13:12.700 --> 01:13:13.700
THEY'RE STILL YOUR MOM.


01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:14.799
ALIA: TOTALLY.


01:13:14.899 --> 01:13:16.033
REBECCA: AND YOU NEED
HELP IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

01:13:16.133 --> 01:13:16.766
ALIA: YEAH.


01:13:16.866 --> 01:13:17.800
REBECCA: YOU
NEED SOMEONE,

01:13:17.900 --> 01:13:18.433
IF YOU CAN HAVE THAT,
YOU STILL WANT THAT.

01:13:18.533 --> 01:13:19.433
ALIA: YEAH.


01:13:19.533 --> 01:13:21.066
AND SO SHE'S THERE NOW.


01:13:21.166 --> 01:13:23.666
AND WE'RE LIKE, AND MY
MOM'S NOT A BELIEVER,

01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:25.499
SHE HAS A LOT
OF CHURCH HURT,

01:13:25.599 --> 01:13:27.466
LIKE THERE'S STILL A LOT
THAT SHE'S UNPACKING.

01:13:27.566 --> 01:13:31.400
BUT, LIKE, SHE BELIEVES
IN MY FAITH FOR ME,

01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:33.566
AND SHE'S WILLING TO HAVE
MORE CONVERSATIONS NOW

01:13:33.666 --> 01:13:35.533
AND BE VULNERABLE
ABOUT THINGS.

01:13:35.633 --> 01:13:36.633
AND SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE
TO HAVE LIKE

01:13:36.733 --> 01:13:38.767
REALLY OPEN COMMUNICATION.


01:13:38.867 --> 01:13:40.100
AND SHE DOESN'T TRY AND -


01:13:40.200 --> 01:13:41.900
ONE THING THAT'S REALLY
HELPED OUR RECONCILIATION

01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.000
IS SHE DOESN'T TRY AND
DOWNPLAY ANYTHING.

01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:45.367
REBECCA: THAT'S BIG.


01:13:45.467 --> 01:13:46.399
BECAUSE THAT'S
PRETTY COMMON.

01:13:46.499 --> 01:13:47.333
ALIA: IT IS.


01:13:47.433 --> 01:13:48.566
AND SHE DOESN'T DO THAT.


01:13:48.666 --> 01:13:51.699
LIKE SHE - I KNOW IT'S
NOT EASY FOR HER,

01:13:51.799 --> 01:13:54.900
LIKE IT'S NOT FUN TO HEAR
ABOUT THE THINGS,

01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:57.166
AND TO HEAR ABOUT LIKE YOUR
CHILD'S EXPERIENCE

01:13:57.266 --> 01:13:58.966
AND KNOW THAT, LIKE, YOU'RE
RESPONSIBLE FOR

01:13:59.066 --> 01:14:00.300
A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.


01:14:00.400 --> 01:14:02.266
BUT SHE'S LIKE MY
BIGGEST CHEERLEADER,

01:14:02.366 --> 01:14:03.766
SHE THINKS I'M AMAZING.


01:14:03.866 --> 01:14:06.666
SHE, LIKE, BRAGS
ABOUT ME TO EVERYONE.

01:14:06.766 --> 01:14:09.600
AND SO DOES THE REST
OF MY FAMILY, HONESTLY.

01:14:09.700 --> 01:14:12.233
BUT IT REALLY TOOK HER
LIKE BEING CONSCIOUS OF

01:14:12.333 --> 01:14:15.566
THE THINGS THAT SHE DOES
THAT STILL AREN'T PERFECT

01:14:15.666 --> 01:14:18.567
AND LIKE MAKING AMENDS
FOR THOSE THINGS.

01:14:18.667 --> 01:14:19.433
THEY COUNTED.


01:14:19.533 --> 01:14:20.833
THEY MATTERED.


01:14:20.933 --> 01:14:23.633
REBECCA: SO YOU
DID A RESIDENCY.

01:14:23.733 --> 01:14:25.166
AND THEN WHERE DID
YOU GO FROM THERE?

01:14:25.266 --> 01:14:26.167
ALIA: YEAH.


01:14:26.267 --> 01:14:29.200
SO I WAS LIKE LIVING THIS
LIFE IN CHICAGO

01:14:29.300 --> 01:14:31.133
THAT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL AND LIKE
BUILDING THIS MINISTRY FIELD,

01:14:31.200 --> 01:14:35.233
AND THE LORD CALLED
ME BACK TO MY HOMETOWN.

01:14:35.333 --> 01:14:36.367
REBECCA: THAT
MUST HAVE BEEN WILD.

01:14:36.467 --> 01:14:37.733
ALIA: IT WAS AWFUL.


01:14:37.833 --> 01:14:39.166
AND LIKE AT FIRST -


01:14:39.266 --> 01:14:39.966
REBECCA: BACK
WHERE IT ALL HAPPENED.

01:14:40.066 --> 01:14:41.333
ALIA: I WAS LIKE, WHY?


01:14:41.433 --> 01:14:42.666
I DON'T WANT TO
GO BACK THERE.

01:14:42.766 --> 01:14:44.266
NOTHING GOOD
HAPPENS THERE.

01:14:44.366 --> 01:14:45.933
REBECCA: NOT GO BACK.


01:14:46.033 --> 01:14:46.967
ALIA: YEAH.


01:14:47.067 --> 01:14:49.099
AND I FELT LIKE, I FEEL
LIKE THE LORD LIKE

01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:53.799
SHOWED ME JONAH AND, LIKE, THAT
THIS WAS LIKE MY FIG TREE;

01:14:53.899 --> 01:14:55.866
THAT MY LIFE IN CHICAGO
WAS LIKE MY FIG TREE.

01:14:55.966 --> 01:14:58.366
AND HE'S LIKE, I MADE THIS
AND I CAN TAKE THIS AWAY.

01:14:58.466 --> 01:15:00.766
LIKE, ARE YOU - BECAUSE
I WAS VERY MUCH LIKE,

01:15:00.866 --> 01:15:02.433
NOTHING GOOD
HAPPENS THERE.

01:15:02.533 --> 01:15:03.633
LIKE, THAT WAS HOW I FELT.


01:15:03.733 --> 01:15:04.899
REBECCA: BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED.

01:15:04.999 --> 01:15:05.766
ALIA: YEAH.


01:15:05.866 --> 01:15:08.000
LIKE, NOTHING GOOD
HAPPENS THERE.

01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:11.033
THAT'S LIKE AN
UNREDEEMABLE PLACE FOR ME.

01:15:11.133 --> 01:15:12.799
BUT HE WAS
CALLING ME BACK.

01:15:12.899 --> 01:15:14.767
AND SO I'M LIKE, WELL,
I HAVE TO BE OBEDIENT.

01:15:14.867 --> 01:15:17.266
BECAUSE I HAD ALWAYS KNOWN
LIKE THAT HE WAS GOING TO.

01:15:17.366 --> 01:15:19.066
I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THE
LORD'S GOING TO CALL ME BACK,

01:15:19.166 --> 01:15:20.567
BUT I NEED
HIM TO BE CLEAR.

01:15:20.667 --> 01:15:23.233
AND HE DID THAT.


01:15:23.333 --> 01:15:24.967
AND IT WAS, I WAS LIKE,


01:15:25.067 --> 01:15:26.167
FELT LIKE I
WAS THROWING A TANTRUM,

01:15:26.267 --> 01:15:28.467
LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO GO.


01:15:28.567 --> 01:15:30.966
BUT AS THAT HAPPENED, LIKE
AS SOON AS I STEPPED

01:15:31.066 --> 01:15:36.000
INTO HIS WILL IN THAT, AND I WAS
LIKE, OKAY, LIKE, I'LL GO,

01:15:36.100 --> 01:15:40.800
EVERYTHING - IT WAS LIKE A
MOMENT OF HARVEST FOR ME

01:15:40.900 --> 01:15:45.499
WHERE HE STARTED
FULFILLING A LOT OF PROMISES

01:15:45.599 --> 01:15:48.667
IN MY LIFE THAT I
HAD FELT LIKE HE'D SPOKEN

01:15:48.767 --> 01:15:52.000
FROM A VERY -
FROM EARLIER ON,

01:15:52.100 --> 01:15:54.133
LIKE THINGS WITH MY KIDS.


01:15:54.233 --> 01:15:57.033
AND IT WAS AT THAT
TIME, AS WELL,

01:15:57.133 --> 01:15:58.833
THAT I GOT OFFERED THIS
JOB WITH SAFE HOUSE PROJECT

01:15:58.933 --> 01:16:00.099
THAT I'M IN NOW.


01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.499
I HAD ALREADY WORKED WITH
THEM LIKE IN A CONSULTING SPACE

01:16:02.599 --> 01:16:04.567
AND BEEN
CONNECTED WITH THEM.

01:16:04.667 --> 01:16:06.900
BUT I CALLED THEM,
ACTUALLY, AND WAS LIKE,

01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.433
HEY, I'M MAKING THIS MOVE,
DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW

01:16:09.533 --> 01:16:11.566
ANYBODY IN THE AREA THAT
MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT

01:16:11.666 --> 01:16:13.866
THAT I SHOULD LOOK AT FOR LIKE
A MINISTRY POSITION?

01:16:13.966 --> 01:16:16.533
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE WERE
JUST PRAYING OVER THIS.

01:16:16.633 --> 01:16:18.299
WE JUST OPENED
THIS POSITION.

01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.566
WE WANT YOU FOR
THIS POSITION.

01:16:20.666 --> 01:16:22.566
AND SO IT WAS JUST LIKE,
IT WAS VERY MUCH THE LORD

01:16:22.666 --> 01:16:24.967
WAS LIKE, AND
NOW IT'S GO TIME.

01:16:25.067 --> 01:16:28.733
NOW I'M CALLING YOU INTO LIKE
ANTI-TRAFFICKING FULL TIME.

01:16:28.833 --> 01:16:29.666
AND SO -


01:16:29.766 --> 01:16:30.433
REBECCA: AND YOU
FELT READY FOR IT NOW?

01:16:30.533 --> 01:16:31.866
ALIA: I DID.


01:16:31.966 --> 01:16:34.233
YEAH, IT WAS ALSO
TRIAL BY FIRE.

01:16:34.333 --> 01:16:37.433
IT WAS LIKE DRINKING OUT
OF A FIRE HOSE, FOR SURE.

01:16:37.533 --> 01:16:38.733
MY FIRST FEW
MONTHS, I WAS LIKE,

01:16:38.833 --> 01:16:42.466
WHAT THE HECK
AM I DOING HERE?

01:16:42.566 --> 01:16:44.367
BUT OUR LEADERSHIP, WE
WERE SUCH A SMALL TEAM

01:16:44.467 --> 01:16:45.166
AT THAT POINT.


01:16:45.266 --> 01:16:46.400
WE'VE GROWN LIKE -


01:16:46.500 --> 01:16:48.466
REBECCA: IS THAT WHO
YOU DID THE PROGRAM WITH?

01:16:48.566 --> 01:16:49.233
WAS IT WITH SAFE HOUSE?


01:16:49.333 --> 01:16:50.333
ALIA: NO.


01:16:50.433 --> 01:16:51.299
REBECCA: OKAY.


01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:52.200
ALIA: NO. ONE OF
THEIR PARTNER PROGRAMS.

01:16:52.300 --> 01:16:53.366
SO I WENT THROUGH
REFUGE FOR WOMEN,

01:16:53.466 --> 01:16:56.067
WHICH IS A PARTNER OF
SAFE HOUSE PROGRAM.

01:16:56.167 --> 01:16:58.733
REBECCA: SO SAFE HOUSE
LIKE HELPS OTHER -

01:16:58.833 --> 01:17:01.299
THEY HELP MULTIPLE PROGRAMS
ACROSS THE NATION

01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:02.633
WITH RESOURCING AND ALL THAT
KIND OF STUFF LIKE THAT.

01:17:02.733 --> 01:17:03.866
ALIA: EXACTLY.


01:17:03.966 --> 01:17:05.100
REBECCA: SO THAT'S
WHAT'S SO COOL ABOUT THEM.

01:17:05.200 --> 01:17:06.966
SO IT WASN'T TECHNICALLY
THE PROGRAM,

01:17:07.066 --> 01:17:08.366
BUT THEY'RE PARTNERS.


01:17:08.466 --> 01:17:10.066
SO IT'S LIKE YOU WERE
WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE

01:17:10.166 --> 01:17:11.133
WHO HELPED -


01:17:11.233 --> 01:17:12.533
ALIA: AND THE GUY WHO
STARTED REFUGE FOR WOMEN

01:17:12.633 --> 01:17:14.066
IS THE ONE WHO HAD
INTRODUCED ME TO

01:17:14.166 --> 01:17:15.867
SAFE HOUSE PROJECT,
AND LIKE -

01:17:15.967 --> 01:17:17.066
SO IT WAS
VERY INTERCONNECTED.

01:17:17.166 --> 01:17:17.700
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.


01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:18.533
IT'S LIKE IN THE FAMILY.


01:17:18.633 --> 01:17:19.499
ALIA: IT WAS, YEAH.


01:17:19.599 --> 01:17:20.967
IT WAS, DEFINITELY
LIKE IN THE FAMILY.

01:17:21.067 --> 01:17:22.466
AND SO THESE WOMEN, THESE
TWO WOMEN THAT FOUNDED

01:17:22.566 --> 01:17:25.699
SAFE HOUSE PROJECT, THEY
JUST - I HAD NO IDEA

01:17:25.799 --> 01:17:26.700
WHAT I WAS DOING.


01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.400
I KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT
THIS INDUSTRY

01:17:28.500 --> 01:17:29.866
AND THE FIELD.


01:17:29.966 --> 01:17:32.033
AND THEY BROUGHT ME INTO
ALL OF THESE MEETINGS.

01:17:32.133 --> 01:17:35.133
THEY JUST LET ME LIKE
DRINK FROM THE FIRE HOSE

01:17:35.233 --> 01:17:39.000
AND GAVE ME A PLATFORM
THAT I THINK THE LORD

01:17:39.100 --> 01:17:42.433
HAD BEEN PREPARING ME FOR,


01:17:42.533 --> 01:17:43.667
THAT ALLOWED ME TO
SPEAK ON THIS

01:17:43.767 --> 01:17:46.667
AT A NATIONAL LEVEL
AND TO ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE

01:17:46.767 --> 01:17:49.633
ON A NATIONAL LEVEL.


01:17:49.733 --> 01:17:52.500
AND THE ROOMS THAT I'VE
BEEN ABLE TO BE IN IN THAT TIME,

01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.733
LIKE I'VE SPOKEN AT
THE CAPITOL BUILDING,

01:17:54.833 --> 01:17:57.767
LIKE SPOKEN TO U.K.
PARLIAMENT TWICE.

01:17:57.867 --> 01:17:59.233
LIKE, ALL OF THESE THINGS.


01:17:59.333 --> 01:17:59.899
REBECCA: THAT'S
PRETTY NERVE-WRACKING.

01:17:59.999 --> 01:18:01.100
ALIA: IT IS.


01:18:01.200 --> 01:18:03.466
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AND
I HAD THIS CONVERSATION

01:18:03.566 --> 01:18:05.699
WITH A FRIEND OF MINE THAT
I HAD DINNER WITH LAST NIGHT

01:18:05.799 --> 01:18:07.800
WHILE I WAS
HERE, IT'S LIKE,

01:18:07.900 --> 01:18:10.399
WHEN YOU'RE UNQUALIFIED
FOR SOMETHING,

01:18:10.499 --> 01:18:11.900
YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT
THE LORD HAS

01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:13.833
PLACED YOU THERE, RIGHT.


01:18:13.933 --> 01:18:16.067
LIKE IF YOU'RE
UNQUALIFIED,

01:18:16.167 --> 01:18:18.200
IT'S ALMOST LIKE
THE PRESSURE'S OFF.

01:18:18.300 --> 01:18:19.033
I'D BE LIKE -


01:18:19.133 --> 01:18:19.933
REBECCA: BECAUSE
YOU'RE LIKE,

01:18:20.033 --> 01:18:20.699
I'M NOT DOING THIS
IN MY STRENGTH.

01:18:20.799 --> 01:18:21.800
I'M DOING THIS
IN THE LORD.

01:18:21.900 --> 01:18:22.967
LIKE HE OPENED THIS DOOR.


01:18:23.067 --> 01:18:23.933
ALIA: EXACTLY.


01:18:24.033 --> 01:18:25.266
CLEARLY, THE LORD HAS
SOMETHING TO SAY.

01:18:25.366 --> 01:18:27.233
CLEARLY THE LORD HAS
SOMETHING TO DO HERE.

01:18:27.333 --> 01:18:29.333
BECAUSE, LOOK, HE KNOWS
I HAVE NO IDEA

01:18:29.433 --> 01:18:30.833
WHAT I'M DOING.


01:18:30.933 --> 01:18:32.366
SO THAT JUST ALLOWS
ME TO BE LIKE,

01:18:32.466 --> 01:18:35.900
WELL, I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT
IN MY OWN STRENGTH, RIGHT.

01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:36.866
REBECCA: AND YOU'RE
NOT SUPPOSED TO.

01:18:36.966 --> 01:18:37.900
ALIA: NO.


01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:38.867
REBECCA: AND THAT KEEPS
YOU HUMBLE BECAUSE

01:18:38.967 --> 01:18:39.700
THAT'S THE KEY.


01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:40.667
ALIA: EXACTLY.


01:18:40.767 --> 01:18:42.166
REBECCA: BECAUSE IT'S
LIKE GETTING INTO

01:18:42.266 --> 01:18:43.933
THESE PLACES OF INFLUENCE,
IT COULD EASILY

01:18:44.033 --> 01:18:45.333
GET TO YOUR HEAD.


01:18:45.433 --> 01:18:46.767
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS
THINKING IS WHEN THE LORD

01:18:46.867 --> 01:18:49.566
WAS LIKE, WHEN HE GAVE YOU
THAT TASTE WITH THAT GIRL,

01:18:49.666 --> 01:18:50.633
TALKING TO HER FOR
THE FIRST TIME

01:18:50.733 --> 01:18:52.633
AT THE CHRISTMAS EVE DINNER,
YOU WERE LIKE,

01:18:52.733 --> 01:18:54.466
OH, I THINK I DO
WANT TO DO THIS.

01:18:54.566 --> 01:18:55.200
HE'S LIKE, OKAY, GREAT.


01:18:55.300 --> 01:18:56.333
BUT WAIT.


01:18:56.433 --> 01:18:58.466
BECAUSE HE WAS PREPARING
YOU THAT WHEN HE

01:18:58.566 --> 01:19:01.700
OPENED THOSE DOORS, YOU WERE
GROUNDED IN HIM.

01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:04.066
SO IT WOULDN'T AFFECT YOU.


01:19:04.166 --> 01:19:06.799
YOU COULD STAY IN THIS
PLACE OF LIKE, OKAY, LORD.

01:19:06.899 --> 01:19:07.933
WHATEVER YOU WANT ME
TO DO, LIKE YOU'RE

01:19:08.033 --> 01:19:09.366
MY SUFFICIENCY.


01:19:09.466 --> 01:19:10.733
I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS
IN MY OWN STRENGTH.

01:19:10.833 --> 01:19:12.100
IT'S ALL THE
THINGS HE PREPARES.

01:19:12.200 --> 01:19:15.866
THAT PERIOD OF TESTING AND
TRIAL AND EDUCATION

01:19:15.966 --> 01:19:17.799
AND BUILDING IS SO IMPORTANT.


01:19:17.899 --> 01:19:20.766
AND IT'S LIKE, FOR ANYONE
WHO'S LISTENING IS LIKE,

01:19:20.866 --> 01:19:22.367
DON'T SKIP THAT STEP.


01:19:22.467 --> 01:19:23.667
FOLLOW THE LORD.


01:19:23.767 --> 01:19:24.800
AND YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT.


01:19:24.900 --> 01:19:25.966
ALIA: YES.


01:19:26.066 --> 01:19:27.966
AND I TELL - BECAUSE I
MENTOR WOMEN AND GIRLS NOW,

01:19:28.066 --> 01:19:29.433
AND THAT'S WHAT I
TELL - BECAUSE I THINK

01:19:29.533 --> 01:19:31.433
SO MANY ARE LIKE, I JUST
WANT TO GIVE BACK.

01:19:31.533 --> 01:19:32.766
REBECCA: I'M READY.


01:19:32.866 --> 01:19:34.633
ALIA: I'M READY, AND I'M LIKE,
YOU'RE - WAIT, WAIT!

01:19:34.733 --> 01:19:36.000
JUST WAIT!


01:19:36.100 --> 01:19:37.966
LIKE, AND CHERISH
THOSE TIMES,

01:19:38.066 --> 01:19:39.466
LIKE, CHERISH THAT TIME.


01:19:39.566 --> 01:19:41.233
REBECCA: IT IS A
REALLY SWEET TIME.

01:19:41.333 --> 01:19:42.933
ALIA: LIKE HOW MUCH -
LIKE WHEN I TELL WOMEN

01:19:43.033 --> 01:19:45.000
AS I'M TELLING THEM TO LIKE
GO INTO A PROGRAM OF GIRLS,

01:19:45.100 --> 01:19:46.733
LIKE, HOW OFTEN ARE YOU
GOING TO HAVE A YEAR

01:19:46.833 --> 01:19:49.799
OF YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU
DON'T HAVE TO PAY BILLS,

01:19:49.899 --> 01:19:52.699
AND YOU CAN JUST FOCUS ON
GROWING AND BEING HEALED

01:19:52.799 --> 01:19:53.700
AND -


01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:54.699
REBECCA: EXPERIENCING
TIME WITH THE LORD.

01:19:54.799 --> 01:19:56.399
ALIA: YEAH.


01:19:56.499 --> 01:19:58.067
YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS,
LIKE TO SPEND ENOUGH TIME

01:19:58.167 --> 01:20:01.600
WITH THE LORD, LIKE HOW
INTENTIONAL I HAVE TO BE NOW

01:20:01.700 --> 01:20:03.833
AND HOW MANY OTHER
VOICES THERE ARE TO HAVE THAT.

01:20:03.933 --> 01:20:05.233
REBECCA: YOU HAVE
SO MUCH GOING ON NOW.

01:20:05.333 --> 01:20:07.399
NOW YOU HAVE TO TRY TO
MAKE TIME TO KEEP THAT.

01:20:07.499 --> 01:20:08.466
THAT'S A WHOLE
OTHER THING.

01:20:08.566 --> 01:20:09.500
ALIA: IT IS.


01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:10.500
REBECCA: AND I WENT
THROUGH - I COMPLETELY

01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:11.600
CAN RELATE TO THAT.


01:20:11.700 --> 01:20:13.366
I WENT THROUGH LIKE MY
TIME OF WHEN I WAS SINGLE

01:20:13.466 --> 01:20:16.267
AND I WAS GOING TO BIBLE
SCHOOL AND I HAD ALL MY TIME

01:20:16.367 --> 01:20:18.233
TO DO THAT, AND IT
WAS SUCH A SWEET SEASON.

01:20:18.333 --> 01:20:21.066
AND NOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE A
MOM AND YOU'RE WORKING,

01:20:21.166 --> 01:20:23.433
AND THIS AND YOUR MINISTRY,
IT'S LIKE ALL THESE PLAYS,

01:20:23.533 --> 01:20:24.499
AND YOU'RE LIKE, AH!


01:20:24.599 --> 01:20:25.699
ALIA: EVERYTHING.


01:20:25.799 --> 01:20:27.033
THERE'S EVERYTHING THAT
WANTS YOUR ATTENTION, YEAH.

01:20:27.133 --> 01:20:28.466
AND IT'S ALL GOOD
THINGS, RIGHT.

01:20:28.566 --> 01:20:29.333
REBECCA: IT'S
GOOD THINGS, YEAH.

01:20:29.433 --> 01:20:30.699
ALIA: IT'S
SUCH GOOD THINGS.

01:20:30.799 --> 01:20:33.466
BUT LIKE TO HAVE THAT
TIME, LIKE YOU CAN'T,

01:20:33.566 --> 01:20:35.900
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT,
YOU CAN'T POUR IT OUT

01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:36.966
ON OTHER PEOPLE.


01:20:37.066 --> 01:20:37.733
REBECCA: NO.


01:20:37.833 --> 01:20:38.666
ALIA: RIGHT.


01:20:38.766 --> 01:20:40.399
I'M LIKE, I HAD
INCREDIBLE EXAMPLES.

01:20:40.499 --> 01:20:42.200
LIKE THE PEOPLE
THAT MENTORED ME,

01:20:42.300 --> 01:20:43.866
THE PEOPLE THAT TAUGHT ME
WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO BE

01:20:43.966 --> 01:20:48.833
A LEADER WERE LIKE - HAD
WORKED IN MEGA CHURCHES,

01:20:48.933 --> 01:20:51.133
HAD BEEN MEGA CHURCH
PASTORS WHERE OTHER PASTORS

01:20:51.233 --> 01:20:53.866
HAD LIKE FALLEN FROM GRACE
AND, LIKE, BEEN EXPOSED,

01:20:53.966 --> 01:20:56.167
HAD EXPERIENCED
ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

01:20:56.267 --> 01:20:58.433
AND SO WE'RE COMING FROM A
PLACE OF LIKE BEING

01:20:58.533 --> 01:21:00.833
REALLY INTENTIONAL
IN THEIR OWN INTEGRITY

01:21:00.933 --> 01:21:02.399
AND THEIR OWN PREPARATION.


01:21:02.499 --> 01:21:05.167
AND SO THAT WAS LIKE THE
LEADERSHIP THAT I HAD

01:21:05.267 --> 01:21:07.966
THE INCREDIBLE BLESSING
TO LEARN FROM.

01:21:08.066 --> 01:21:11.166
AND SO I ALWAYS TRY AND
TEACH THAT TO

01:21:11.266 --> 01:21:13.066
THE WOMEN THAT I MENTOR.


01:21:13.166 --> 01:21:15.566
AND THE WOMEN THAT I WORK
WITH AT SAFE HOUSE PROJECT

01:21:15.666 --> 01:21:18.133
AND OUR CO-FOUNDERS, ARE
INCREDIBLE, LIKE,

01:21:18.233 --> 01:21:20.433
EXAMPLES OF LEADERSHIP.


01:21:20.533 --> 01:21:23.067
SO I'VE REALLY BEEN
SPOILED, HONESTLY.

01:21:23.167 --> 01:21:24.400
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:21:24.500 --> 01:21:26.666
I REALLY FEEL LIKE GOD
REALLY PUT YOU INTO FAMILY,

01:21:26.766 --> 01:21:27.666
LIKE INTO HIS FAMILY.


01:21:27.766 --> 01:21:28.800
ALIA: OVER
AND OVER AGAIN.

01:21:28.900 --> 01:21:30.133
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT
I LOVE ABOUT YOUR STORY,

01:21:30.233 --> 01:21:32.133
LIKE ONE OF THE ASPECTS
THAT I LOVE IS HE WAS LIKE,

01:21:32.233 --> 01:21:33.667
I'M GOING TO PUT YOU
WITH THESE SAFE PEOPLE

01:21:33.767 --> 01:21:35.399
WHO ARE GOING TO LOVE
YOU AND TEACH YOU,

01:21:35.499 --> 01:21:37.366
AND HE GAVE THAT.


01:21:37.466 --> 01:21:39.300
IT'S LIKE WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING, BEAUTY FOR ASHES.

01:21:39.400 --> 01:21:41.833
IT'S LIKE, WHAT WE LACK,
WHAT THE ENEMY TRIES

01:21:41.933 --> 01:21:44.433
TO TAKE FROM US, IT'S LIKE
HE RESTORES TO US.

01:21:44.533 --> 01:21:45.499
LIKE THIS STORY OF JOB,


01:21:45.599 --> 01:21:47.700
IT'S LIKE HE RESTORES,
LIKE, SEVEN-FOLD.

01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.733
ALIA: AND SO LIKE I
GOT BACK HOME, RIGHT,

01:21:50.833 --> 01:21:53.733
TO THIS AREA THAT I'M FROM
WHERE ALL THIS TERRIBLE

01:21:53.833 --> 01:21:56.967
THING WAS, AND I GOT THE
CHANCE TO BE INVOLVED WITH

01:21:57.067 --> 01:21:58.600
ANOTHER ORGANIZATION
THAT'S LIKE A

01:21:58.700 --> 01:22:01.600
BOOTS-ON-THE-GROUND
ORGANIZATION THERE.

01:22:01.700 --> 01:22:03.866
AND THAT'S WHO LIKE THIS
GIRL THAT I HAD MET,

01:22:03.966 --> 01:22:06.633
THAT'S WHO SHE HAD BEEN
RECEIVING SERVICES FROM

01:22:06.733 --> 01:22:07.633
AND GETTING HELPED BY.


01:22:07.733 --> 01:22:11.166
SO THERE WAS LIKE A
MINISTRY IN THE AREA

01:22:11.266 --> 01:22:15.433
THAT WORKS WITH YOUNG GIRLS
LIKE WHERE I'M FROM.

01:22:15.533 --> 01:22:18.200
AND THAT'S BEEN THIS WHOLE
OTHER THING, TO BE LIKE,

01:22:18.300 --> 01:22:20.666
OKAY, IT'S ONE THING
TO HAVE LIKE THIS LIKE

01:22:20.766 --> 01:22:22.833
NATIONAL PLATFORM WHERE
WE'RE WORKING

01:22:22.933 --> 01:22:24.866
TO SERVE PEOPLE ON THIS
GRAND SCALE,

01:22:24.966 --> 01:22:27.233
AND IT'S ANOTHER THING
TO BE ABLE TO BE LIKE,

01:22:27.333 --> 01:22:31.066
THIS IS A GIRL FROM
MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

01:22:31.166 --> 01:22:33.633
LIKE, THIS IS A GIRL
WHO LOOKS LIKE ME,

01:22:33.733 --> 01:22:36.866
WHO TALKS LIKE ME, WHO'S
LIKE BEEN ON THE SAME LIKE

01:22:36.966 --> 01:22:41.000
STREET THAT I'VE BEEN ON,
LIKE WENT TO THE SAME SCHOOLS

01:22:41.100 --> 01:22:44.799
THAT I WENT TO,
AND TO LIKE WE'RE HELPING -

01:22:44.899 --> 01:22:46.400
AND THERE SHE IS.


01:22:46.500 --> 01:22:47.433
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:22:47.533 --> 01:22:49.433
IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT
A YOUNGER VERSION OF YOU

01:22:49.533 --> 01:22:50.700
AND YOU'RE LIKE,
I'VE BEEN THERE.

01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:51.666
ALIA: EXACTLY.


01:22:51.766 --> 01:22:53.066
REBECCA: DID IT
FEEL LIKE FULL CIRCLE,

01:22:53.166 --> 01:22:56.900
GETTING TO HELP GIRLS THAT
WERE FROM THE SAME AREA AS YOU

01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:58.266
GOING THROUGH THE SAME
THINGS YOU WENT THROUGH

01:22:58.366 --> 01:22:59.433
AND HELP BRING THEM OUT?


01:22:59.533 --> 01:23:00.933
ALIA: ABSOLUTELY.


01:23:01.033 --> 01:23:03.133
IT FEELS LIKE - SO THIS
PROGRAM THAT THIS MINISTRY

01:23:03.233 --> 01:23:06.466
THAT I WORK WITH AT
HOME, FOREVER FOUND,

01:23:06.566 --> 01:23:07.933
THEY ALSO HAVE A
HOME IN INDIA, RIGHT.

01:23:08.033 --> 01:23:08.966
AND SO THERE'S A WOMAN -


01:23:09.066 --> 01:23:09.733
REBECCA: OH, WOW.


01:23:09.833 --> 01:23:10.933
ALIA: YEAH.


01:23:11.033 --> 01:23:12.833
AND SO THERE'S A WOMAN
ON THE TEAM WHO IS FROM INDIA,

01:23:12.933 --> 01:23:14.566
AND SHE WAS TALKING
LIKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO

01:23:14.666 --> 01:23:17.300
ABOUT HOW SHE HAD BEEN TO
THE HOME IN INDIA

01:23:17.400 --> 01:23:21.433
AND HOW IT WAS LIKE ALL OF THE
GIRLS WERE LIKE, JUST LIKE,

01:23:21.533 --> 01:23:23.799
OH, MY GOSH, YOU LOOK
LIKE ME, MADAM, MADAM.

01:23:23.899 --> 01:23:24.833
AND JUST LIKE, ALL
OF THOSE THINGS,

01:23:24.933 --> 01:23:26.333
AND HOW THEY HAD FELT MORE
CONNECTED WITH HER

01:23:26.433 --> 01:23:27.300
BECAUSE SHE LOOKED LIKE THEM


01:23:27.400 --> 01:23:29.500
AND SHE WAS FROM
WHERE THEY'RE FROM.

01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:30.899
AND I WAS JUST THINKING
ABOUT HER SAYING THAT,

01:23:30.999 --> 01:23:33.033
AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S
HOW I FEEL ABOUT -

01:23:33.133 --> 01:23:33.599
REBECCA: WHERE
YOU'RE AT NOW.

01:23:33.699 --> 01:23:35.000
ALIA: THESE GIRLS.


01:23:35.100 --> 01:23:36.766
LIKE, I DON'T -


01:23:36.866 --> 01:23:39.066
THAT'S WHAT THEY SEE
WHEN THEY LOOK AT ME,

01:23:39.166 --> 01:23:41.033
IS LIKE THIS ISN'T JUST
LIKE SOME WOMAN WHO HASN'T

01:23:41.133 --> 01:23:44.233
BEEN HERE AND HASN'T LIKE,
THEY KNOW THAT LIKE -

01:23:44.333 --> 01:23:45.700
THEY FEEL THE SAME THING
TOWARDS ME THAT

01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:47.966
THOSE LITTLE GIRLS
FELT TOWARDS HER.

01:23:48.066 --> 01:23:50.100
AND I FEEL THE SAME
WAY TOWARDS THEM.

01:23:50.200 --> 01:23:52.533
LIKE THESE ARE MY, LIKE
THESE ARE MY GIRLS.

01:23:52.633 --> 01:23:53.466
LIKE, THESE ARE MY PEOPLE.


01:23:53.566 --> 01:23:57.066
THESE ARE MY, LIKE,
THESE ARE MY KIDS.

01:23:57.166 --> 01:24:00.000
LIKE, THESE ARE LIKE,
THESE ARE HIS KIDS,

01:24:00.100 --> 01:24:02.666
LIKE, THESE ARE THE
LORD'S CHILDREN.

01:24:02.766 --> 01:24:09.333
AND GETTING TO WATCH THEM
LIKE STRUGGLE AND OVERCOME,

01:24:09.433 --> 01:24:12.400
IT FEELS LIKE AN
INCREDIBLE PRIVILEGE

01:24:12.500 --> 01:24:16.033
TO KNOW THEM AND TO BE
LIKE A SAFE PERSON

01:24:16.133 --> 01:24:17.700
IN THEIR LIFE.


01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.633
LIKE, THERE'S THAT LIKE, BE
THE PERSON THAT YOU

01:24:20.733 --> 01:24:22.966
WISH YOU HAD, RIGHT.


01:24:23.066 --> 01:24:27.999
LIKE, I'M JUST LIKE WHAT AN
INCREDIBLE HONOR IT IS

01:24:28.099 --> 01:24:31.400
TO GET TO BE THAT PERSON,
LIKE TO BE IN A POSITION

01:24:31.500 --> 01:24:35.766
WHERE I GET TO HAVE THAT
LEVEL OF INFLUENCE

01:24:35.866 --> 01:24:40.333
OVER THEM AND OVER
THESE YOUNG GIRLS.

01:24:40.433 --> 01:24:43.367
AND LIKE THAT IS - I FEEL THE
WEIGHT OF THAT PRIVILEGE

01:24:43.467 --> 01:24:45.600
AND I'M LIKE,
AND IN THAT LIKE

01:24:45.700 --> 01:24:48.133
KEEPING US HUMBLE, LIKE
I HOPE THAT I ALWAYS FEEL

01:24:48.233 --> 01:24:50.199
THE WEIGHT OF THAT PRIVILEGE.


01:24:50.299 --> 01:24:53.000
AND KNOWING THEM I THINK
ALSO HELPS ME KEEP IT

01:24:53.100 --> 01:24:55.633
LIKE, ON THE NATIONAL
PLATFORM, AS WELL,

01:24:55.733 --> 01:24:58.933
BECAUSE IT BRINGS
IT BACK, RIGHT.

01:24:59.033 --> 01:25:00.099
REBECCA: THIS
IS STILL HAPPENING.

01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:01.333
ALIA: YEAH.


01:25:01.433 --> 01:25:04.400
AND SO I WAS TAUGHT BY PASTORS
LIKE THAT BROUGHT ME UP

01:25:04.500 --> 01:25:08.233
LIKE, WELL, THE LORD
GAVE ME - THE LORD ALLOWS ME

01:25:08.333 --> 01:25:09.733
TO TEACH ON THE STAGE
BECAUSE HE KNOWS I'D BE

01:25:09.833 --> 01:25:11.866
DOING THE SAME THING LIKE
ON THE STREET, RIGHT.

01:25:11.966 --> 01:25:13.233
LIKE, THAT'S THE WAY
THAT I WAS TAUGHT.

01:25:13.333 --> 01:25:15.567
AND SO FOR ME, LIKE BEING
INVOLVED WITH THOSE GIRLS

01:25:15.667 --> 01:25:17.999
FEELS LIKE THE SAME WAY,
LIKE THE LORD ALLOWS ME

01:25:18.099 --> 01:25:20.066
TO CONTINUE TO BE IN SPACES
THAT I FEEL LIKE

01:25:20.166 --> 01:25:22.266
I HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING IN
OR TO BE ON PLATFORMS.

01:25:22.366 --> 01:25:23.000
REBECCA: TO
ADVOCATE FOR THEM.

01:25:23.100 --> 01:25:24.500
ALIA: TO
ADVOCATE FOR THEM.

01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:26.700
AND BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT
I'M WILLING TO DO IT

01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:29.633
LIKE, IN PRIVATE, AS WELL.


01:25:29.733 --> 01:25:30.399
YOU KNOW.


01:25:30.499 --> 01:25:31.000
REBECCA: IT'S TRUE.
EXACTLY.

01:25:31.100 --> 01:25:32.800
IT SAYS, THE VERSE SAYS,


01:25:32.900 --> 01:25:35.299
IF YOU'RE FAITHFUL IN
THE SMALL THINGS, HE'LL -

01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:36.366
IF YOU PROVE
YOU'RE FAITHFUL,

01:25:36.466 --> 01:25:38.167
THEN YOU CAN BE FAITHFUL
IN THE BIGGER THINGS.

01:25:38.267 --> 01:25:40.067
AND IT'S TRUE.


01:25:40.167 --> 01:25:43.033
IT'S THAT - IT'S WHO YOU ARE
WHEN NO ONE'S WATCHING,

01:25:43.133 --> 01:25:44.400
BUT HE'S WATCHING.


01:25:44.500 --> 01:25:45.500
THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.


01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:47.200
AND HE SEES YOUR HEART AND
HE'S KEEPING YOU

01:25:47.300 --> 01:25:48.499
IN THIS WORLD.


01:25:48.599 --> 01:25:50.533
AND LIKE YOU SAID, BECAUSE
YOU GET THIS FRESH PERSPECTIVE,

01:25:50.633 --> 01:25:52.266
YOU'RE ABLE
TO GO OUT AND CONTINUE TO

01:25:52.366 --> 01:25:54.733
ADVOCATE FOR THOSE WOMEN
WHO NEED AN ADVOCATE

01:25:54.833 --> 01:25:56.833
WHO CAN BE A SPOKESPERSON.


01:25:56.933 --> 01:26:01.399
AND NOT MANY PEOPLE NOT
ONLY GET OUT OF THE WORLD,

01:26:01.499 --> 01:26:03.067
BUT THEN COME TO A PLACE
WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO GET

01:26:03.167 --> 01:26:06.133
SO MUCH HEALING AND
FREEDOM THAT THEY'RE ABLE

01:26:06.233 --> 01:26:08.366
TO THEN SPEAK OUT.


01:26:08.466 --> 01:26:10.566
ALIA: WELL, AND NOT
EVERY PERSON WANTS TO, EITHER.

01:26:10.666 --> 01:26:11.533
LIKE, THERE'S A
LACK OF PRIVACY.

01:26:11.733 --> 01:26:15.100
LIKE, I DON'T HAVE SOCIAL
MEDIA ANYMORE BECAUSE -

01:26:15.200 --> 01:26:16.600
REBECCA: GIRL, I DON'T
BLAME YOU FOR THAT.

01:26:16.700 --> 01:26:17.499
YOU AIN'T MISSING
ANYTHING.

01:26:17.599 --> 01:26:18.333
ALIA: NO, I'M NOT.


01:26:18.433 --> 01:26:19.366
REBECCA: SOCIAL
MEDIA STINKS.

01:26:19.466 --> 01:26:20.600
[ LAUGHING ]


01:26:20.700 --> 01:26:21.633
ALIA: I'M NOT.


01:26:21.733 --> 01:26:22.833
BUT PEOPLE ARE LIKE,
PEOPLE HAVE WEIRD WAYS

01:26:22.933 --> 01:26:24.033
OF SHOWING THINGS.


01:26:24.133 --> 01:26:28.900
AND, LIKE, I THINK THEIR
LIKE, INTENTION IS OFTEN GOOD,

01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:31.067
BUT I WOULD DO
LIKE THINGS LIKE THIS,

01:26:31.167 --> 01:26:32.533
LIKE PODCASTS OR WHATEVER,


01:26:32.633 --> 01:26:35.466
AND GET LIKE REALLY
WEIRD MESSAGES AFTER

01:26:35.566 --> 01:26:36.700
AND LIKE REALLY
INAPPROPRIATE THINGS

01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:38.799
THAT PEOPLE THINK
ARE LIKE OKAY TO SAY.

01:26:38.899 --> 01:26:41.667
AND LIKE NOT EVERY PERSON
WANTS TO STEP INTO THOSE SPACES

01:26:41.767 --> 01:26:43.766
AND HAVE THOSE
DOORS OPEN AND, LIKE,

01:26:43.866 --> 01:26:44.599
HAVE PEOPLE KNOW.


01:26:44.699 --> 01:26:45.433
REBECCA: THAT
KIND OF EXPOSURE.

01:26:45.533 --> 01:26:46.300
ALIA: NO.


01:26:46.400 --> 01:26:47.433
AND THAT'S OKAY.


01:26:47.533 --> 01:26:48.699
LIKE, THAT'S FINE.


01:26:48.799 --> 01:26:51.500
LIKE, NOT - GOD'S NOT GOING
TO CALL EVERY SINGLE PERSON.

01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:52.233
NO.


01:26:52.333 --> 01:26:53.566
AND HE DOESN'T NEED TO.


01:26:53.666 --> 01:26:59.033
AND LIKE - AND SO I ALSO
FEEL LIKE REALLY GRATEFUL

01:26:59.133 --> 01:27:01.067
TO THE LORD THAT HE LIKE
ALLOWS ME TO SHARE MY STORY

01:27:01.167 --> 01:27:03.100
BECAUSE I KNOW
IT'S NOT JUST MY STORY.

01:27:03.200 --> 01:27:05.800
LIKE, MY STORY
IS SO TYPICAL,

01:27:05.900 --> 01:27:08.600
LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE THE
THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO ME

01:27:08.700 --> 01:27:10.233
ARE THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN
TO SO MANY WOMEN

01:27:10.333 --> 01:27:12.000
WHO ARE TRAFFICKED
OR EXPLOITED.

01:27:12.100 --> 01:27:13.300
AND BOYS.


01:27:13.400 --> 01:27:14.566
AND SO LIKE WHEN
I TELL MY STORY,

01:27:14.666 --> 01:27:17.600
I FEEL LIKE I GET TO TAKE
THE HIT FOR OTHER GIRLS

01:27:17.700 --> 01:27:18.833
TO NOT HAVE TO DO IT.


01:27:18.933 --> 01:27:20.833
BECAUSE IT IS A BURDEN.


01:27:20.933 --> 01:27:23.966
LIKE, I'M LUCKY ENOUGH THAT
I HAVE GREAT MENTORS

01:27:24.066 --> 01:27:28.233
OF OTHER WOMEN WHO HAVE LEFT
THE LIFE AND GONE ON

01:27:28.333 --> 01:27:30.333
TO HAVE PLATFORMS AND THEY'VE
TAUGHT ME A LOT OF, LIKE,

01:27:30.433 --> 01:27:32.633
HOW TO PROTECT
MYSELF AND THINGS.

01:27:32.733 --> 01:27:34.600
BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT
ALWAYS THE MOST

01:27:34.700 --> 01:27:35.900
FUN THING TO DO.


01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:37.066
REBECCA: YEAH.


01:27:37.166 --> 01:27:38.300
ALIA: SO LIKE REALLY
BEING SURE THAT LIKE THE LORD

01:27:38.400 --> 01:27:39.599
IS CALLING
SOMEONE INTO IT.

01:27:39.699 --> 01:27:40.366
REBECCA: EXACTLY.


01:27:40.466 --> 01:27:41.400
ALIA: YEAH.


01:27:41.500 --> 01:27:42.233
REBECCA: IT WOULDN'T
BE WORKING IF HE HAD NOT

01:27:42.333 --> 01:27:44.433
GIVEN YOU THE
GRACE TO DO IT.

01:27:44.533 --> 01:27:45.433
AND THAT IS KEY.


01:27:45.533 --> 01:27:46.566
ALIA: YEAH.


01:27:46.666 --> 01:27:47.667
REBECCA: AND THAT'S -
BUT YOU KEEP GOING BECAUSE

01:27:47.767 --> 01:27:48.633
YOU WANT TO KEEP HELPING -


01:27:48.733 --> 01:27:49.833
BECAUSE THE LORD'S
CALLED YOU TO IT,

01:27:49.933 --> 01:27:52.600
HE'S GRACED YOU FOR IT,
AND LIKE YOU SAID,

01:27:52.700 --> 01:27:54.933
YOU HAVE THOSE PEOPLE THAT
YOU'RE STILL MEETING

01:27:55.033 --> 01:27:58.100
AND HEARING THOSE STORIES,
YOU'RE STILL ADVOCATING FOR.

01:27:58.200 --> 01:28:00.199
I JUST WANTED TO SAY,
THANK YOU SO MUCH

01:28:00.299 --> 01:28:01.500
FOR BEING SO OPEN.


01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:03.600
THANK YOU FOR
SHARING YOUR STORY.

01:28:03.700 --> 01:28:04.733
IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.


01:28:04.833 --> 01:28:07.566
YOU ARE REPRESENTING
SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

01:28:07.666 --> 01:28:09.500
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
NOT ONLY ARE YOU

01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.033
SHEDDING LIGHT ON THESE
INDUSTRIES IN THIS WORLD

01:28:13.133 --> 01:28:15.667
THAT SO MANY
PEOPLE DON'T SEE,

01:28:15.767 --> 01:28:17.400
BUT YET IT'S SO PREVALENT.


01:28:17.500 --> 01:28:21.666
BUT ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT
THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR

01:28:21.766 --> 01:28:23.199
SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE
AND THAT YOU'RE SAYING,

01:28:23.299 --> 01:28:26.266
THIS IS VERY COMMON AND
THAT MY STORY IS

01:28:26.366 --> 01:28:27.766
SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE'S STORIES.


01:28:27.866 --> 01:28:29.299
BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD
THINK, OH, WOW.

01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:30.233
BUT IT'S JUST HER.


01:28:30.333 --> 01:28:32.100
BUT YOU'RE LIKE,
NO, IT'S COMMON.

01:28:32.200 --> 01:28:35.133
AND NOT ONLY YOU MET PEOPLE LIKE
THAT IN THAT INDUSTRY,

01:28:35.233 --> 01:28:36.733
YOU MET PEOPLE
LIKE THAT NOW

01:28:36.833 --> 01:28:38.300
THAT YOU'RE WORKING TO
HELP BRING OUT OF IT,

01:28:38.400 --> 01:28:39.667
YOU KNOW, BEING TRAFFICKED.


01:28:39.767 --> 01:28:42.366
AND SO IT IS IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THERE AREN'T MANY PEOPLE

01:28:42.466 --> 01:28:43.866
WHO ARE SHARING
THEIR STORIES BECAUSE IT'S,

01:28:43.966 --> 01:28:45.433
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S DIFFICULT.


01:28:45.533 --> 01:28:46.567
SO I WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU FOR SHARING

01:28:46.667 --> 01:28:48.000
YOUR STORY WITH US.


01:28:48.100 --> 01:28:49.366
AND I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.


01:28:49.466 --> 01:28:51.433
I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE HOW
GOD'S LIKE FULL-CIRCLED

01:28:51.533 --> 01:28:53.866
YOUR LIFE AND EVERYTHING
THAT YOU'RE DOING,

01:28:53.966 --> 01:28:56.467
AND YOUR FAMILY AND JUST,
IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.

01:28:56.567 --> 01:28:59.866
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
LISTENING WHO ARE

01:28:59.966 --> 01:29:02.466
DEALING WITH SHAME, PEOPLE
MAY HAVE BEEN ABUSED,

01:29:02.566 --> 01:29:04.267
PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE
IN THE INDUSTRY

01:29:04.367 --> 01:29:05.533
WHO ARE LISTENING TO THIS,


01:29:05.633 --> 01:29:06.766
WHAT WOULD
YOU SAY TO THEM?

01:29:06.866 --> 01:29:08.166
ALIA: YEAH.


01:29:08.266 --> 01:29:12.100
I THINK, FOR ONE, I KNOW
THAT I FELT TOO FAR GONE

01:29:12.200 --> 01:29:14.700
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S A
LIE THAT THE ENEMY

01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:17.633
AND THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
HURT US CONTINUE TO USE.

01:29:17.733 --> 01:29:19.000
AND SO THERE'S
NO SUCH THING.

01:29:19.100 --> 01:29:22.166
THERE IS NO SUCH
THING AS TOO FAR GONE.

01:29:22.266 --> 01:29:24.766
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
SOMEONE WHO HAS GONE TOO DEEP

01:29:24.866 --> 01:29:28.033
OR TOO DARK TO
EXPERIENCE REDEMPTION,

01:29:28.133 --> 01:29:31.366
BUT ALSO FREEDOM
AND A NEW LIFE.

01:29:31.466 --> 01:29:34.033
LIKE THE LORD HAS A
LIFE PREPARED FOR US.

01:29:34.133 --> 01:29:36.733
HE HAD SOMETHING WRITTEN
FOR US BEFORE

01:29:36.833 --> 01:29:40.100
ALL OF THIS BROKENNESS CAME INTO
YOUR LIFE, INTO MY LIFE.

01:29:40.200 --> 01:29:42.867
AND THAT HASN'T
BEEN DESTROYED.

01:29:42.967 --> 01:29:44.633
LIKE UNTIL THE
DAY THAT WE DIE,

01:29:44.733 --> 01:29:47.566
LIKE HE'S HOLDING
THAT PLACE FOR US.

01:29:47.666 --> 01:29:51.800
AND HE'S CAPABLE OF THINGS
LIKE, LIKE WHO I AM NOW,

01:29:51.900 --> 01:29:53.399
PEOPLE LOOK AT
ME AND SAY LIKE,

01:29:53.499 --> 01:29:55.299
I NEVER COULD HAVE
SEEN THAT HAPPENING,

01:29:55.399 --> 01:29:59.000
LIKE YOU'RE SO, LIKE
I SEEM LIKE I FIT.

01:29:59.100 --> 01:30:01.033
THAT WASN'T THE CASE.


01:30:01.133 --> 01:30:04.767
LIKE THAT, I WAS NOT THIS
PERSON WHEN I EXITED.

01:30:04.867 --> 01:30:07.767
IT WASN'T LIKE I HAD A
LEG UP OR I HAD SOMETHING

01:30:07.867 --> 01:30:10.133
ABOUT ME THAT MADE
THIS TRUE FOR ME.

01:30:10.233 --> 01:30:12.833
LIKE, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE
RESTORING WORK THAT THE LORD

01:30:12.933 --> 01:30:15.967
DOES AND THAT HE
INVITES US INTO AND THAT

01:30:16.067 --> 01:30:18.133
HE'S OFFERING
FOR ALL OF US.

01:30:18.233 --> 01:30:20.367
AND THERE'S SO MUCH PAIN.


01:30:20.467 --> 01:30:22.399
PAIN IS RELATIVE
TO A PERSON, RIGHT.

01:30:22.499 --> 01:30:26.667
AND LIKE JUST BECAUSE
LIKE I WAS TRAFFICKED,

01:30:26.767 --> 01:30:28.366
LIKE, I WAS ALSO
SEXUALLY ABUSED.

01:30:28.466 --> 01:30:30.500
I WAS ALSO ABANDONED, LIKE
I ALSO EXPERIENCED

01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.566
THESE OTHER KINDS OF PAIN THAT
I UNDERSTAND LIKE CAUSE

01:30:33.666 --> 01:30:36.233
REALLY DEEP HURT,
EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T,

01:30:36.333 --> 01:30:37.533
EVEN IF IT DOESN'T EVER
GET TO THE POINT

01:30:37.633 --> 01:30:39.500
WHERE YOU WERE
TRAFFICKED OR EXPLOITED

01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:41.133
IN THAT TYPE OF A WAY.


01:30:41.233 --> 01:30:43.766
AND LIKE THERE'S THE
PROMISE OF HEALING

01:30:43.866 --> 01:30:45.400
FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS.


01:30:45.500 --> 01:30:48.100
AND I THINK THAT LIKE
SOMETIMES THE GOSPEL

01:30:48.200 --> 01:30:49.533
GETS PUT TO US IN A WAY


01:30:49.633 --> 01:30:51.000
THAT'S LIKE,
TURN FROM YOUR SINS,

01:30:51.100 --> 01:30:52.133
TURN FROM YOUR SINS,


01:30:52.233 --> 01:30:53.233
LIKE, THE LORD HAS
THAT FOR YOUR SINS.

01:30:53.333 --> 01:30:55.400
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TIMES
WHEN LIKE YOU'RE A PERSON

01:30:55.500 --> 01:30:58.000
WHO YOUR FIRST
EXPERIENCE WITH SIN

01:30:58.100 --> 01:31:00.999
OR UNDERSTANDING SIN WAS
SOMEBODY SINNING AGAINST YOU?

01:31:01.099 --> 01:31:02.133
RIGHT?


01:31:02.233 --> 01:31:03.699
LIKE, SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY
HARD, LIKE YOU SAID,

01:31:03.799 --> 01:31:06.466
TO UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW DOES,
LIKE, HOW IS THE LORD

01:31:06.566 --> 01:31:08.167
THERE FOR ME WHEN
I WAS JUST A KID,

01:31:08.267 --> 01:31:09.933
LIKE, WHEN
SOMEBODY HURT ME?

01:31:10.033 --> 01:31:12.066
I WASN'T HURTING
OTHER PEOPLE.

01:31:12.166 --> 01:31:14.599
AND, LIKE, I JUST WANT TO
SAY THAT TO THAT PERSON

01:31:14.699 --> 01:31:16.800
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE
ARE PEOPLE THINKING LIKE

01:31:16.900 --> 01:31:19.900
THE PROMISE OF LIKE A
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD

01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:23.633
IS SO GREATER THAN LIKE
TURNING AWAY FROM SIN, RIGHT.

01:31:23.733 --> 01:31:25.267
THE PROMISE OF A
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD

01:31:25.367 --> 01:31:26.900
IS A PROMISE FOR COMFORT.


01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:28.666
IT'S A PROMISE FOR CARE.


01:31:28.766 --> 01:31:31.700
IT'S A PROMISE OF
FAMILY AND OF HOME.

01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:34.733
AND LIKE THOSE ARE THINGS
THAT HE HAS WAITING FOR YOU

01:31:34.833 --> 01:31:36.699
AND THAT HE
WANTS FOR EACH OF US.

01:31:36.799 --> 01:31:39.500
AND THERE ARE SO MANY
FAMILIES THAT THE LORD

01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:41.166
CAN AND WILL PLACE YOU INTO.


01:31:41.266 --> 01:31:45.367
I'VE PROBABLY HAD LIKE
SEVEN FAMILIES AT THIS POINT.

01:31:45.467 --> 01:31:47.733
AND THAT HE RESTORES
THOSE THINGS.

01:31:47.799 --> 01:31:50.066
AND THERE'S A PROMISE
OF HOPE JUST AS MUCH AS

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THERE'S A PROMISE
OF FREEDOM.

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REBECCA: I LOVE THAT.


01:31:52.966 --> 01:31:55.067
FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
KNOW MORE ABOUT WHO

01:31:55.167 --> 01:31:56.966
YOU'RE WORKING FOR,
SAFE HOUSE PROJECT,

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OR WHO WANT TO GET CONNECTED,
HOW DO THEY DO THAT?

01:31:59.599 --> 01:32:00.567
ALIA: YEAH.


01:32:00.667 --> 01:32:02.633
SO FIRST OFF, IT'S
SAFEHOUSEPROJECT.ORG.

01:32:02.733 --> 01:32:03.700
VERY EASY.


01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:06.033
SAFEHOUSEPROJECT.ORG.


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AND YOU CAN LEARN MORE
ABOUT WHAT WE DO THERE.

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AND THEN WE ALSO LIKE,
WE PARTNER WITH

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OVER 250 PROGRAMS.


01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:13.867
SO IF YOU'RE WANTING TO
GET INVOLVED WITH SOMEONE

01:32:13.967 --> 01:32:16.600
THAT'S SERVING
SURVIVORS IN YOUR AREA,

01:32:16.700 --> 01:32:19.667
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING
EXPLOITED IN YOUR AREA,

01:32:19.767 --> 01:32:22.733
BECAUSE I PROMISE, THIS
TOUCHES EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY,

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THERE ARE JUST
AS TERRIBLE AS IT IS

01:32:25.833 --> 01:32:28.366
THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE BEING
TRAFFICKED IN EVERY COMMUNITY,

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THERE ARE ALSO
PEOPLE DOING GOOD WORK

01:32:29.933 --> 01:32:31.367
IN EVERY COMMUNITY.


01:32:31.467 --> 01:32:32.966
AND BECAUSE WE ARE
PARTNERING WITH THEM,

01:32:33.066 --> 01:32:35.167
WE CAN TELL YOU LIKE WHO
ARE THOSE PEOPLE IN YOUR AREA

01:32:35.267 --> 01:32:37.033
THAT ARE DOING
INCREDIBLE WORK.

01:32:37.133 --> 01:32:37.900
WE'RE HERE IN DALLAS,


01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:40.166
I JUST HAD DINNER
WITH A WOMAN

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THAT RUNS A PROGRAM HERE
IN DALLAS YESTERDAY.

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THERE IS PEOPLE DOING
WONDERFUL WORK EVERYWHERE,

01:32:45.433 --> 01:32:47.799
AND THERE IS NO GIFT
THAT IS TOO BIG OR TOO SMALL.

01:32:47.899 --> 01:32:51.933
EVERY HAND IS CALLED INTO
THIS BECAUSE IT IS

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IN THE END, THE
LORD'S WORK.

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AND SO REACH OUT TO US,
AND WE CAN GET CONNECTED -

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CONNECT YOU TO YOUR LOCAL
AREA PROVIDER, AS WELL.

01:32:57.266 --> 01:32:58.333
REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME.


01:32:58.433 --> 01:32:59.533
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.


01:32:59.633 --> 01:33:00.600
ALIA: YEAH,
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.