REBECCA: HEY, GUYS.
IN THIS EPISODE, I SIT DOWN WITH BEV TUCKER.
SHE HAS A DELIVERANCE MINISTRY AND I WANTED TO
SUPERNATURAL ENCOUNTERS WITH THE DEMONIC.
AND I, AS A WIFE AND MOTHER,
WANT TO KNOW HOW TO BEST SAFEGUARD
AND PROTECT MY FAMILY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE
ARE IN A SPIRITUAL BATTLE.
WE SIT DOWN.
WE HAVE A GREAT CONVERSATION WHERE SHE
SHARES HER STORY AND ALSO SHE GIVES US SCRIPTURAL
CONTEXT AS TO HOW TO PRAY FOR DELIVERANCE AND HOW TO
UNDERSTAND THE AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE IN CHRIST.
REBECCA: HEY, GUYS, WELCOME BACK TO THE PODCAST.
I SAW THIS GUEST ONLINE AND I REACHED OUT TO MY TEAM.
AND I SAID, PLEASE, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE HER?
AND SHE IS HERE.
I AM TALKING ABOUT BEV TUCKER.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY VIRTUALLY.
BEV: THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
YES.
YEAH.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
REBECCA: WELL, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT
I'M PERSONALLY VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
UM, WE'RE GOING BE TALKING ABOUT DELIVERANCE.
AND YOU HAVE A POWERFUL TESTIMONY OF HOW YOU
ACTUALLY ENDED UP IN DELIVERANCE.
SO, LET'S GO BACK TO YOU BEING A CHILD.
TALK ABOUT THE HOME
YOU RAISED IN,
THE ENCOUNTER YOU HAD WITH THE LORD,
AND THEN JUST MOVE THROUGH.
BEV: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
SO, BASICALLY, I WAS NOT RAISED IN A CHRISTIAN HOME.
I ALWAYS LOVED JESUS, THOUGH.
BUT THAT GOES BACK TO THE FACT OF WE HAVE TO PREACH
THE GOSPEL BECAUSE OTHERWISE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
THEY JUST KIND OF THINK THEY'RE OKAY WITH GOD,
BECAUSE YOU MIGHT LOVE HIM,
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW YOU GET TO HEAVEN.
YOU DON'T GET TO HEAVEN LOVING GOD.
YOU GET TO HEAVEN RECEIVING JESUS
AS LORD AND SAVIOR.
OKAY, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW I GREW UP.
I GREW UP IN AN ALCOHOLIC HOME.
I GREW UP WITH A LOT OF REJECTION IN MY LIFE,
EVEN GENERATIONAL REJECTION.
SO PART OF MY STORY FOR MYSELF,
PERSONALLY, WAS GETTING SET FREE FROM A SPIRIT OF
REJECTION WHICH BRINGS IN INADEQUACY
AND SECURITY PERFORMANCE,
PERFECTIONISM, FEAR OF FAILURE,
AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND IT BRINGS IN A LOT OF
DIFFERENT THINGS THAT KIND OF, UH,
THAT ONE IS A BIG ONE FOR ME.
IN FACT, I WROTE A BOOK ON
REJECTION: IDENTITY THIEF EXPOSED
BECAUSE, UH, REJECTION WANTS TO STEAL
YOUR IDENTITY, WHICH THEN WILL STEAL YOUR DESTINY.
OKAY, SO, BUT ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO THE STORY,
SO I GREW UP IN A HOME
THAT WAS NOT CHRISTIAN.
UH, DID NOT EVEN, UH, LIKE I SAID, I LOVED GOD,
BUT DID NOT KNOW
I REALLY NEEDED TO HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP
WITH JESUS CHRIST.
SO MY HUSBAND AND I WE WERE LIVING
IN NEW YORK AT THE TIME.
AND WE MOVED TO A LITTLE TOWN IN BUHLER NORTH DAKOTA.
WE HAD -- ALREADY HAD THREE CHILDREN AT THAT TIME.
AND THE FIRST PERSON
I MET WAS A YOUNG PENTECOSTAL GIRL.
HER NAME WAS BEV PETERSON.
AND SHE STARTED JUST REACHING OUT TO ME.
AND SO STARTED INVITING US TO CHURCH
AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND BUT THE ONE THING,
SHE DID IS SHE ASKED ME THE QUESTION IF YOU WERE
TO DIE TONIGHT AND STAND BEFORE GOD AND HE
WERE TO SAY TO YOU,
WHY I SHOULD I LET YOU INTO MY HEAVEN,
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT,
WELL, I'M AN AMERICAN NUMBER ONE,
WHICH IS FUNNY.
BUT, UH, WASN'T THAT BAD OF A PERSON.
I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW,
I HADN'T MURDERED ANYBODY.
AND SO SHE TOOK ME TO THE SCRIPTURE AND SHOWED ME
THAT IT WAS NOT BY WORKS,
LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST AND OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS
IS AS FILTHY RAGS.
ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD
AND THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.
SO WHEN SHE BROUGHT ME TRUTH, THE POWER OF THE
WORD OF GOD, WILL BRING CONVICTION.
SO WHEN I'M OUT TRAVELING, BECAUSE I TRAVEL A LOT,
I SHARE JESUS, THE WORD, BECAUSE EVEN IF I DON'T
GET TO LEAD THEM TO THE LORD,
I'VE PUT OUT A SEED THAT WON'T GO VOID,
AND I BELIEVE THAT.
SO I JUST KIND OF CAME UNDER
THE CONVICTION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,
UH, GAVE MY LIFE TO THE LORD.
MY HUSBAND DID.
HE ACTUALLY BEAT ME TO THAT.
WE WERE -- STARTED GOING TO THEIR CHURCH.
AND THE NIGHT BEFORE,
I GAVE MY LIFE TO THE LORD.
HE GAVE HIS LIFE TO THE LORD.
AND THEN WE,
YEAH, THAT WAS GOOD.
AND SO EXCEPT HE MADE ME MAD BECAUSE I FIGURED, HE WAS,
I FIGURED IF ANYBODY KNEW GOD,
IT WAS ME, NOT HIM,
BUT WHICH IS DUMB.
BUT ANYWAY, SO, BUT HE DID AND SO THEN, UH,
VERY SHORTLY AFTER THAT, TO KIND OF GO INTO MORE OF
THE WHY THE DELIVERANCE
AND HOW WE GOT INTO THAT,
WE MOVED INTO A HOME.
WE BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT HAD A SMALL HOUSE ON IT,
BUT WE DECIDED THE LAND WAS BEAUTIFUL.
SO WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO BUILD
ONTO THE HOUSE
JUST SO WE COULD HAVE THE PROPERTY
BECAUSE WE LIKED THE PROPERTY.
NOT REALIZING ALL THAT CAME WITH THAT PIECE OF LAND.
AND WHEN WE MOVED INTO IT,
WHEN WE JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT IT,
IT SEEMED ALL RIGHT.
AND LIKE BEING A DELIVERANCE MINISTER NOW,
I'VE LEARNED THAT A LOT OF TIMES SPIRITS
ALL HIDE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SHOW
THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY'RE WANTING TO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS YOUR LIFE.
AND ESPECIALLY THE WORD OCCULT
THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS HIDDEN.
SO WE MOVED INTO THIS HOUSE.
I HATED IT FROM THE MOMENT
I MOVED INTO IT.
WE BEGAN TO HAVE MANIFESTATION OF SPIRITS,
BUT WE, BEING SO NEW IN THE LORD, DID NOT UNDERSTAND
WHAT WE WERE SENSING IN THE HOUSE,
WHAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING IN THE HOUSE.
WHEN I GOT SAVED,
I BELIEVE THERE WAS GOD,
JESUS, AND A DEVIL.
YOU KNOW, NOTHING TOO SERIOUS.
BUT WHEN WE MOVED ALSO IN ON THE PROPERTY,
IT HAD LIKE THIS LONG DRIVEWAY WITH TREES,
AND THERE WAS A SIGN AND IT SAID SANTINIKETAN,
THEN AND THEN UNDERNEATH IT,
IT SAID HAVEN OF PEACE AND HINDU.
WELL, WE KNEW HINDU WASN'T GOOD.
SO WE TORE THAT DOWN,
UH, NOT REALIZING AGAIN
ALL THAT HAD BEEN -- HAD GONE ON IN THE HOUSE.
SO WHAT THEY DID IN THE HOME,
AND THEN I'LL KIND OF TELL YOU THE STORY A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO US.
BUT THEY PRACTICED A CULT CALLED ROSICRUCIAN,
AND THAT CULT IS, UH, IT'S PRETTY HIGH LEVEL
WHEN IT COMES TO --
FREEMASONS USE IT IN THEIR TEACHING.
IT'S ALSO SOME OF THE TEACHINGS ARE IN MORMONISM
AND IT USES A LOT OF EGYPTIAN-GOD TYPE STUFF,
WHICH I HAVE KIND OF FOUND THAT OUT NOW,
BUT AFTER THE FACT.
OKAY, SO ANYWAY SOME OF THE THINGS,
UH, THE HOUSE HAD A DETACHED GARAGE.
SO WHEN WE WOULD PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY,
WE USUALLY WOULD PARK INTO THE GARAGE.
WE WOULD JUST GO INTO THE HOUSE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE RUN INTO THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU
COULD SENSE THIS FEAR THAT WAS PREVALENT
ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WE BEGAN TO HAVE LIKE THIS ODOR OF SULFUR THAT WOULD
JUST COME UP IN THE HOUSE.
AND YEARS LATER,
I REALIZED OR FOUND OUT THROUGH READING SOME STUFF
ON DELIVERANCE THAT THE SMELL OF SULFUR MEANS THAT
THERE'S A PORTAL TO HELL.
SO I'M LIKE,
OH, MY GOODNESS, THAT'S WHERE WE LIVED,
BUT ALSO IN THAT WE'D ALSO HAVE LIKE A SMELL OF
SOMETHING DEAD WOULD COME OUT OF THE REGISTER.
WHEN MY FRIEND BEV, THAT LED US
TO THE LORD, WOULD COME OVER,
I'D SAY TO HER,
I'D SAY, BEV, SMELL THAT REGISTER AND SHE'D GET DOWN
AND SMELL IT AND THERE'D BE NO ODOR AT ALL.
AND THEN BECAUSE SHE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY DISCERNED
IT MORE THAN I DID.
BUT THEN IT WOULD GO AND COME BACK
WHEN SHE LEFT.
ONE NIGHT I WAS LAYING IN BED AND THIS COLD BLACK AND FURRY
THING SLITHERED ACROSS MY FACE AND I SAW IT,
BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT.
SO I GUESS I SAW IT IN THE SPIRIT.
IT WAS THIS LONG, THIS WIDE, AND AS BLACK AS BLACK
COULD BE AND COLD.
IT WAS ICE COLD AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF
TYPICAL OF MANIFESTATIONS IN THAT HOUSE.
SO I ALWAYS WAS ALSO VERY, VERY AFRAID FOR MY
CHILDREN IN THAT HOUSE.
WE HAD THREE CHILDREN.
THEY WERE FOUR,
UH, SEVEN AND EIGHT.
I THINK WAS ABOUT THEIR AGES WHEN WE MOVED IN THERE.
AND SO, UH, IN THAT ONE NIGHT,
OH, AND ALSO, TOO, MY HUSBAND AND I HAD REALLY,
WE WOULD REALLY START ARGUING A LOT
WHILE WE LIVED THERE.
AND NOT THAT WE HAD A PERFECT MARRIAGE,
PRIOR TO THAT, WE DIDN'T.
ONCE WE FOUND THE LORD,
THAT WAS WHEN WE HAD TO START WORKING ON OUR
MARRIAGE BECAUSE GOD DON'T JUST LET YOU LIVE ANY OLD
WAY YOU WANT.
AND SO, BUT WHEN WE MOVED IN THAT HOUSE,
OUR FIGHTS GOT WORSE.
AND SO ONE NIGHT,
WE CAME HOME FROM CHURCH AND WE HAD A FIGHT ON THE
WAY HOME FROM CHURCH WHICH WAS KIND OF NORMAL.
AND WE'D GET OUT OF THE CAR
AND GO IN THE HOUSE AND HE GOES
FOR A WALK DOWN BY THE RIVER AND I'M THINKING,
HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO JUMP IN THE RIVER.
AND I THOUGHT GOOD, GO, JUMP IN THE RIVER.
AND THE LORD SAID, PRAY, BEV, FOR HIM.
SO I PRAYED AND HE CAME BACK
IN THE HOUSE.
AND WHEN HE CAME BACK IN THE HOUSE,
HE SAID TO ME, BEV, YOU KNOW,
IT WAS EASIER FOR US BEFORE WE FOUND THE LORD
THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.
WHICH WAS TRUE BECAUSE AFTER WE
FOUND THE LORD,
WE MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE,
AND THE WARFARE THAT BROKE
OUT AGAINST US WAS HORRIFIC.
AND PART OF THAT
WAS BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS PRAYING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
PLEADING THE BLOOD OF JESUS,
USING THE NAME OF JESUS.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST IN THE WORD OF GOD,
AND, YOU KNOW, SO ON FIRE FOR THE THINGS OF GOD.
SO IT WAS LIKE SPIRIT TO SPIRIT.
SO HE CAME IN AND HE SAID, BEV,
IT WAS EASIER BEFORE WE FOUND THE LORD THAN IT IS NOW.
AND I SAID, YEAH.
I SAID, I KNOW IT WAS,
BUT I SAID WE CAN'T QUIT.
AND SO WHEN I SAID THAT,
THIS THING ALL OF A SUDDEN,
LIKE STOOD OVER IN THE CORNER OF OUR BEDROOM.
AND IT WAS LIKE THE ENTIRE FROM THE CEILING
ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR.
IT EMANATED, FROM IT,
IT WAS LIKE YOU COULD SEE IT,
BUT YOU COULDN'T SEE IT,
COULDN'T SEE WITH THE NATURAL EYE.
YOU COULD SEE IT WITH THE SPIRITUAL EYE.
I LOOKED AT IT AND IT EMANATED FROM ITS BEING
A HATRED TOWARDS US THAT WAS SO STRONG THAT THE ONLY
WAY YOU COULD DESCRIBE THAT HATE WOULD BE TO GO
TO ITS OPPOSITE WHICH WOULD BE THE LOVE OF GOD.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S AS EXTREME AS THE LOVE OF GOD
IS FOR US AND GOD'S LOVE IS SO EXTREME FOR US.
THE HATRED OF THE ENEMY AGAINST US IS JUST AS EXTREME.
AND THEN IT ALSO EMANATED A COLDNESS FROM IT
THAT WAS COLDER THAN ICE,
EXCUSE ME,
AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS DEATH.
AND THE REASON I SAY
I BELIEVE IT WAS DEATH,
BACK THEN I DIDN'T, BUT AGAIN FROM WHAT
I'VE EXPERIENCED IN LIFE WITH PEOPLE AND DELIVERANCE,
THAT'S HOW I KNOW THAT IT WAS.
DEATH IS COLD.
IT'S COLDER THAN ICE.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
SO ANYWAY ALL THAT BEING SAID, I LOOKED AT IT
AND I JUST SAID, YOU CAN'T BE HERE BECAUSE
WE'RE CHILDREN OF THE KING.
AND IMMEDIATELY, IT LEFT.
AND THREE DAYS LATER, OUR HOUSE BURNED TO THE GROUND.
WE HAD GONE TO A WEDNESDAY NIGHT CHURCH SERVICE
WITH OUR PASTOR.
AND WHILE WE WERE THERE, THE POLICE CAME
IN LOOKING FOR US AND THEY CAME TO TELL US THAT OUR
HOUSE HAD BURNED TO THE GROUND.
AND WE BASICALLY LOST EVERYTHING WE HAD
AND EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE HAD IN THE GARAGE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I TOLD YOU,
THE GARAGE WAS DETACHED.
SO, UM, IN THAT, I WAS JUST SO RELIEVED
TO GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE.
AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY TO ME, BEV,
YOU'RE HANDLING THIS SO WELL.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL,
IF YOU LIVED IN THAT HOUSE,
YOU'D BE GLAD TO GET OUT OF IT, TOO.
WHICH I TOTALLY, TOTALLY WAS SO GLAD TO GET OUT.
SO WE LEFT.
WE ENDED UP GETTING AN APARTMENT FOR A WHILE.
WE STAYED IN THE APARTMENT FOR A WHILE.
BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE BEGAN TO NOTICE
BEHAVIOR, BEHAVIORAL CHANGES IN OUR OLDEST SON,
AND HE BEGAN TO HAVE PROBLEMS IN SCHOOL.
HE BEGAN TO BE -- HAVE BEHAVIORAL ISSUES.
WE WERE GETTING CALLS FROM THE SCHOOL ABOUT HIM.
HE -- I HAD ACTUALLY HAD A SCHOOLTEACHER COME VISIT
ME ONE DAY
THAT WAS A FRIEND OF MINE.
AND SHE SAID, BEV, HE'S A DIFFERENT CHILD HERE AT
HOME THAN HE IS AT SCHOOL.
AND SO WHAT WE BEGAN TO REALIZE IS THAT
WHEN THOSE SPIRITS HAD HIM AWAY FROM US,
THEY WOULD MANIFEST.
WHEN THEY WERE IN OUR HOME,
THEY WOULD NOT MANIFEST.
BECAUSE WE WERE STARTING
TO GET ONTO THE IDEA OF, UH, SPIRITS AND, YOU KNOW,
HOLY SPIRIT VERSUS DEMONIC SPIRITS.
BUT ANYWAY ALL OF THAT BEING SAID,
WE ENDED UP, AFTER A FEW YEARS,
MOVING OUT OF THAT TOWN
AND MOVING HERE TO ROCKFORD, ILLINOIS.
HIS BEHAVIORS JUST KEPT GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.
HE BECAME DESTRUCTIVE.
HE, UH, WHEN WE GOT HERE,
WE PUT OUR CHILDREN IN A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL.
AND AGAIN LIKE I SAID,
BECAUSE MOST OF HIS BEHAVIOR WAS AWAY FROM HOME,
WE REALLY WERE NOT AS AWARE OF HOW AGGRESSIVE
IT WAS BECOMING.
SO ONCE WE PUT HIM IN A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL,
THEY MADE US VERY AWARE.
AND SO WE ENDED UP BEING
CALLED IN A LOT FOR HIM.
AND SO WE TOOK HIM.
ACTUALLY, WE TALKED TO OUR PASTOR
WHERE, UH, THE CHURCH WE WERE GOING TO AND WE SAID,
YOU KNOW, WE TOLD HIM ABOUT THE HOUSE
WE'D LIVED IN AND SAID,
YOU KNOW, WE THINK MAYBE SOMETHING GOT A HOLD OF OUR SON
WHILE WE WERE THERE.
AND SO THEY SAID, OKAY, BRING HIM IN.
SO WE BROUGHT HIM IN TO THEM.
THEY TALKED WITH HIM FOR ABOUT AN HOUR
AND CALLED US AND SAID,
WELL, YOU CAN COME AND GET HIM.
AND THEY TOLD US, THEY SAID,
WELL, WE DON'T THINK HE HAS ANY SPIRITS,
ANY DEMONS.
WE JUST THINK Y'ALL NEED TO DISCIPLINE HIM MORE.
SO WE THOUGHT, OKAY,
WE'VE PROBABLY REALLY MESSED UP AS PARENTS.
AND YOU KNOW BOTH OF US,
NEITHER COMING OUT OF CHRISTIAN HOMES,
NEITHER REALLY BEING RAISED WHERE YOU'RE EVEN
TAUGHT HOW TO RAISE YOUR KIDS.
SO WE THOUGHT, OKAY,
WE JUST NEED TO DISCIPLINE HIM MORE.
SO IN DOING THAT,
WE BEGAN TO DISCIPLINE HIM MORE.
HE GOT MORE SPANKINGS.
HE GOT MORE TALKING TO.
WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT DIFFERENT THINGS IN HIS LIFE
WHERE YOU CAN'T DO THIS,
YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW.
NOTHING WORKED, NOTHING WORKED.
AND SO OUT OF THAT,
AND I'VE -- YOU'VE MAYBE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE,
BUT I REALIZED THAT YOU CAN'T DISCIPLINE DEMONS.
YOU DON'T TAKE DEMONS TO THERAPY.
YOU DON'T COUNSEL DEMONS.
YOU DON'T MEDICATE DEMONS.
YOU CAST THEM OUT.
REBECCA: AMEN.
BEV: AND THAT ACTUALLY IS WHAT JESUS TOLD US TO DO.
HE TOLD US FIRST THING, THESE SIGNS WILL FOLLOW
THEM THAT BELIEVE.
IN MY NAME, THEY'LL CAST OUT DEMONS.
AND TODAY IN THE CHURCH WORLD,
IT'S PROBABLY THE LAST THING WE DO.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE A MESS.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
BECAUSE I WORK WITH PEOPLE
ALL THE TIME AND THEY NEED HELP.
THEY NEED HELP AND THEY'RE DYSFUNCTIONAL
AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT COMES OUT OF THE GENERATIONS.
BUT WE, THE CHURCH, HAVE ANSWERS FOR
THEM THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT GIVING THEM.
SO WE --
REBECCA: DO YOU THINK THAT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING
HOW TO DO THAT IN THE CHURCH
IS PART OF THE REASON, WHY EVEN WHEN YOU BROUGHT YOUR SON,
THEY DIDN'T DISCERN THAT --
BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH
AN IGNORANCE, A LACK OF AWARENESS?
BEV: THE CHURCH IS KIND OF IN DENIAL IN THAT.
AND ALSO BECAUSE DELIVERANCE HAS BEEN MISUSED.
IT'S BEEN CRAZY.
IT'S BEEN CHAOTIC.
AND REALLY WE DON'T HAVE TO DO
DELIVERANCE IN THE, YOU KNOW,
I ALWAYS SAY IT THIS WAY.
WE DEAL WITH A DIFFERENT DEVIL THAN JESUS DID.
THE DEVIL THAT JESUS DEALT WITH, STILL OPERATED
WHEN JESUS WALKED ON THIS EARTH.
AND IT'S NOT SAYING
JESUS DIDN'T HAVE ALL AUTHORITY BECAUSE HE DEFINITELY DID.
HE WAS GOD.
ALTHOUGH HE OPERATED AS A MAN ON THIS EARTH,
BUT HE DEALT WITH A DEVIL THAT STILL WAS WALKING IN
THE AUTHORITY THAT HE HAD USURPED FROM MANKIND.
AND GOD HAD PUT AUTHORITY IN THE HANDS OF ADAM AND EVE,
IN THE HANDS OF MANKIND.
GOD'S DECISION TO RULE EARTH THROUGH MAN WAS SO
FINAL AND SO ETERNAL THAT THE DEVIL KNEW HE HAD TO
GO THROUGH MAN TO GET IT,
WHICH HE DID AND HE EXCEEDED IT -- SUCCEEDED.
BUT ALSO GOD'S DECISION TO RULE EARTH THROUGH MANKIND
WAS SO FINAL AND SO ETERNAL THAT GOD HAD TO
BECOME A MAN TO GET IT BACK, WHICH HE DID, JESUS.
BUT ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO WHAT I SAID,
UH, SO WE DEAL WITH A DIFFERENT DEVIL THAN JESUS DID.
SO JESUS DEALT WITH A DEVIL
THAT WAS STILL WALKING AND HAD A HOLD OF THE
AUTHORITY THAT HE HAD STOLE FROM MANKIND,
USURPED FROM MAN.
WE DEAL WITH A DEVIL THAT JESUS DISARMED
WHEN HE WENT TO THE CROSS, MADE A BOLD DISPLAY OF,
TRIUMPHED OVER IN THE CROSS,
AND THAT'S COLOSSIANS 2:15.
AND ALSO HEBREWS 2:14, BROUGHT TO NOTHING.
THEN JESUS TURNED AROUND
AND SAID ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME.
GO YE THEREFORE, AND HE PUT THAT AUTHORITY
BACK IN THE CHURCH.
WE TOOK OUR SON TO THAT, PASTOR.
THEY JUST SAID, YOU NEED TO DISCIPLINE HIM, DIDN'T WORK.
SO WE KIND OF SUFFERED THROUGH LIFE
THEN WITH DEALING WITH ALL THE BEHAVIORAL ISSUES
AND ALSO FEELING LIKE WE WERE FAILURES AS PARENTS
BECAUSE WE HAD THIS CHILD THAT WAS SO, SO REBELLIOUS
AND REALLY BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT HE WAS.
IT HAD AFFECTED OUR OTHER TWO CHILDREN,
BUT NOT TO THAT EXTREME.
WE DID FIND OUT LATER,
WHEN WE FINALLY GOT FREE,
THAT IT HAD AFFECTED OUR OTHER YOUNGER SON,
A WHOLE LOT MORE, WHICH THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE
OF ANOTHER TESTIMONY,
AND I'LL SHARE THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT, FINALLY, WE GOT HIM OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL,
WHICH WAS A MIRACLE.
AND GOD HELPED US GET HIM
THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL AND HE WENT TO COLLEGE.
HE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH AND THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE
HE USED TO DO.
BUT WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING -- ALL THIS STUFF
OUT TILL LATER.
BUT HE WOULD BE SO TORMENTED HIMSELF,
UH, AS A YOUNG PERSON, BECAUSE THE DEVIL TORMENTS PEOPLE.
AND HE WOULD ALSO BE SO ENTICED TO DABBLE IN
THINGS THAT WERE OCCULT.
AND MY HUSBAND AND I AGAIN,
WOULD PRAY FOR THEM.
WE WOULD GO LAY ON THEIR BEDS
ONE, ONE DAY A WEEK OUT OF EACH ALL THREE OF THEM
AND PRAY IN THE SPIRIT FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES OR LONGER
JUST PRAYING FOR GOD'S PERFECT WILL FOR OUR KIDS.
AND HE WOULD TELL ME, HE'D SAY, MOM, I COULD ALWAYS
TELL WHEN YOU AND DAD WOULD COME IN AND PRAY IN
MY ROOM BECAUSE THOSE SPIRITS COULDN'T HARASS ME
AT NIGHT LIKE THEY DID.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS A PARENT THAT
BREAKS YOUR HEART.
IT BREAKS YOUR HEART AND THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW,
I REALLY BELIEVE
I HAVE SO MUCH COMPASSION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
STRUGGLING WITH THEIR CHILDREN, GOING THROUGH
THINGS WITH THEIR FAMILIES, BECAUSE A LOT OF
IT IS JUST DEMONIC.
BUT ANYWAY, SO HE FINALLY GRADUATES
HIGH SCHOOL AND WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF REBELLION
WE'VE DEALT WITH THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, HAD THEM IN A DIFFERENT CHRISTIAN SCHOOL
THAT REALLY THERE WAS ONE TEACHER THAT WORKED SO
HARD TO HELP HIM.
AND SO I'M SO THANKFUL
TO THE LORD FOR HER.
UH, A LOT PEOPLE JUST PLAIN --
THE OTHER TEACHERS
JUST DIDN'T LIKE HIM, WHICH PROBABLY WAS RIGHTFULLY SO
BECAUSE HE REALLY WAS REBELLIOUS.
BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD PRAY,
PRAY, PRAY FOR MY SON ALL THE TIME.
NOT EVEN KNOWING EXACTLY HOW TO PRAY FOR HIM.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE HAD TRIED TO CAST OUT DEMONS,
DIDN'T WORK FOR US.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE PRAYING AND I'D SAY, DEVIL,
HE BELONGS TO ME AND HE BELONGS TO GOD.
AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING HIM.
AND SO EVENTUALLY,
AND I REALLY BELIEVE SOMETIMES WHEN WE PRESS IN
AND WE REFUSE TO LET GO OF TRUTH,
WHICH IS GOD'S WORD,
YOU GOT GOD IN THERE
FIGHTING FOR YOU, BUT, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT, TOO, FOR
PEOPLE THAT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LOSING IT,
GOD IS ALWAYS IN THERE
FIGHTING FOR YOU.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO PRESS IN AND REFUSE TO BE DENIED
WHAT THE WORD OF GOD HAS FOR YOU.
BUT ANYWAY, HE WENT OFF TO COLLEGE.
AFTER THE FIRST SEMESTER,
HE DROPPED OUT OF COLLEGE, WENT INTO THE MILITARY,
AND WAS STATIONED IN FORT,
FORT BENNING, GEORGIA.
AND WE WERE REALLY UPSET WITH HIM FOR DOING THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHERE HIS LIFE REALLY BEGAN TO SHIFT
BECAUSE BEING AWAY FROM OUR COVERING,
HE STARTED HAVING TO PAY FOR HIS BEHAVIORS.
AND ONE DAY HE CALLED ME AND HE SAID, MOM,
I'VE GOT TO GET HELP.
SO I THEN STARTED LOOKING FOR A SOME KIND
OF A DELIVERANCE MINISTER.
SOMEBODY THAT WOULD KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING,
SO THEY COULD HELP US.
AND SO I SAID, GOD,
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?
AND BECAUSE HERE HE IS FINALLY
WANTING HELP AND PRIOR TO THAT HE HAD NOT WANTED HELP.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET SOMEBODY FREE,
IF THEY WANT TO ENTERTAIN THEIR DEMONS,
IF THEY LOVE THEIR SIN.
YOU HAVE TO WANT TO GET FREED TO GET FREE.
SO HE FINALLY CALLS AND THEN I'M LOOKING
FOR A DELIVERANCE MINISTER.
AND THE LORD SAID TO ME,
BEV, GO IN AND GET THE BOOK.
AND AS SOON AS THE LORD TOLD ME TO GO
GET THIS BOOK,
I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT BOOK THE LORD MEANT.
I HAD PURCHASED A BOOK CALLED UNFORGIVENESS,
CURSES AND DELIVERANCE.
AND I HAD BROUGHT THE BOOK HOME,
DECIDED I DIDN'T NEED IT
BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN CURSES.
AND SO I DO NOW, BUT I DIDN'T.
AND SO I HAD JUST STUCK IT IN THE BOOKCASE.
AND THE LORD SAID,
GO GET THAT BOOK.
SO I WENT AND I GOT THE BOOK.
AND ON THE BACK OF THAT BOOK,
THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THE GUY WHO WROTE IT.
HIS NAME WAS ROGER MILLER.
AND HE SAID MY WIFE
AND I DO DELIVERANCE IN OUR HOME.
SO IF YOU NEED HELP,
UM, HE GAVE US HIS PHONE NUMBER, YOU CAN CALL
AND WE'LL HELP YOU.
SO I CALLED HIM,
AND HE SAID,
YES, I CAN HELP YOUR SON.
I SHARED WITH HIM
OUR STORY ABOUT THIS HOUSE, STUFF
WE'D GONE THROUGH.
AND HE SAID,
YES, BEV, I CAN HELP HIM.
BUT HE HAS TO CALL ME HIMSELF BECAUSE HE'S AN ADULT
AND HE HAS TO WANT HELP.
SO I CALLED MY SON.
I SAID THIS GUY SAID
HE CAN HELP YOU SO, BUT YOU HAVE TO CALL HIM.
SO MY SON CALLED HIM,
SET UP AN APPOINTMENT.
AND SO THEN I CALLED THE GUY BACK.
AND I SAID, CAN ME AND MY HUSBAND COME?
BECAUSE I KNEW THAT IF --
WE WERE -- WHAT OUR INTENT WAS
TO GO DOWN TO -- THIS GUY WAS OUT A TENNESSEE.
SO MY INTENT WAS TO GO TO GEORGIA,
PICK UP OUR SON, AND GET HIM TO THIS GUY'S HOUSE.
BECAUSE I KNEW FROM ALL THE WARFARE,
WE'D GONE THROUGH IN HIGH SCHOOL,
THOSE DEMONS WOULD NEVER LET HIM GET
TO THIS DELIVERANCE MINISTER.
SO WE WENT AND HE SAID,
YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.
GO AHEAD AND COME.
SO WE WENT, PICKED UP OUR SON,
TOOK HIM BACK UP TO TENNESSEE
AND WENT TO THIS GUY'S HOUSE.
AND I REMEMBER KNOCKING ON THE DOOR THINKING,
GOD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY
WHEN HE OPENS
THE DOOR LIKE, UH, WE'RE THE ONES WITH THE DEMONS,
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I FELT.
REBECCA: YEAH.
BEV: AND I ALSO FELT,
YEAH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW MOST PEOPLE NEED
DELIVERANCE, BUT ANYWAY.
SO HE HAD US COME IN
AND THAT DAY HE WALKED OUR SON THROUGH DELIVERANCE.
IT RADICALLY CHANGED HIS LIFE,
RADICALLY TURNED THINGS AROUND FOR HIM.
SO THEN WE SAID TO THE GUY,
WHAT, WHAT SHOULD WE DO NOW?
AND HE SAID,
WELL, THE REST OF YOUR FAMILY, YOU AND YOUR
CHILDREN, NEED TO COME AND GO THROUGH DELIVERANCE ALSO,
BECAUSE YOU ALL LIVED IN THAT HOUSE.
SO FROM THAT POINT ON,
WE ENDED UP GOING BACK
AND GETTING OUR OTHER CHILDREN THROUGH DELIVERANCE ALSO.
BUT THAT DAY HE GAVE US HIS MANUAL, THAT BOOK AGAIN,
AND HIS TAPES AND SENT THEM HOME WITH US.
AND WE WENT HOME, STUCK THEM UP IN THE CUPBOARD,
IN THE CLOSET AND WE JUST FIGURED THAT WAS IT.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE FREE.
HALLELUJAH, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING TO GO ON WITH LIFE.
AND PROBABLY A WEEK AFTER, WEEK AND A HALF, MAYBE TWO WEEKS,
THIS GUY CALLS ME AND HE SAID,
GOD TOLD ME TO CALL YOU,
YOU COULD HELP US OR HELP ME.
AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO THE GUY WAS.
HE WAS FROM THE ASSEMBLY OF GOD HERE IN TOWN.
AND I SAID, OKAY.
I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS WHEN HE SAID
GOD SAID YOU COULD HELP ME,
MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS HE DID?
AND SO I SAID, OKAY,
WELL, COME OVER BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS HAD
A HEART TO HELP PEOPLE.
BUT ANYWAY, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING.
BUT WE GOT THIS GUY'S MANUAL OUT,
AND WE ENDEAVORED TO GO PAGE BY PAGE WHICH I'VE REWRITTEN,
I'VE WRITTEN MY MANUAL TO GO THE STEPS,
SO IT MAKES IT EASY.
WHEN I WROTE MY MANUAL,
I FELT THE LORD SAID, MAKE IT USER-FRIENDLY,
SO PEOPLE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
SO, BUT WE SPENT LITERALLY SIX HOURS WITH THAT GUY.
WE DON'T NORMALLY TAKE THAT LONG ANYMORE,
BUT WE DID.
LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING.
BUT IN THAT, THE MAN GOT SET FREE FROM COCAINE,
HIS HEART WAS HEALED BECAUSE HE HAD LIKE A COCAINE HEART,
WHICH IS TYPICAL WHEN YOU DEAL WITH SOMEONE
WHO'S BEEN ON DRUGS.
ESPECIALLY COCAINE,
IT AFFECTS THE HEART.
SO WE'VE LEARNED YOU CAN CALL
A SPIRIT OF INFIRMITY OUT, AND PROBABLY ALMOST EVERYBODY
WE'VE PRAYED FOR WITH COCAINE ISSUES AND,
UH, HEART ISSUES, THEY'VE BEEN HEALED.
DELIVERANCE WILL BRING HEALING.
IT'S AMAZING.
FROM THAT POINT,
WHEN THAT GUY CAME OVER TO OUR HOUSE,
HE GOT DELIVERED LIKE I SAID OF THE COCAINE,
LUST, WITCHCRAFT.
HE HAD WITCHCRAFT IN THE BACKGROUND,
AND HE GOT SO RADICALLY FREE
THAT HE STARTED SENDING DRUG ADDICTS TO US.
SO PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN AGAIN,
I DON'T PRAY FOR PEOPLE ACTUALLY THAT ARE NOT BORN AGAIN.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY IN A MOMENT.
UH, BUT HE STARTED SENDING ALL THESE PEOPLE TO US
WHO WERE STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION,
BUT YET HAD BECOME BELIEVERS.
AND SO THEY BEGAN --
SO THEY STARTED COMING TO US AND THAT'S
KIND OF HOW OUR MINISTRY GOT STARTED.
ANYWAY THE REASON, LET ME GO BACK WHY
I DON'T PRAY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT BELIEVERS.
AND THE REASON I DON'T IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO PROTECTION.
AND IF YOU GO TO MATTHEW 15,
WHEN THE WOMAN WITH THE LITTLE GIRL THAT WAS DEMON-POSSESSED,
AND BY THE WAY, LET ME SAY THIS, TOO.
I DON'T BELIEVE A CHRISTIAN
CAN BE POSSESSED.
WE CAN BE ACCESSED.
POSSESSION IS OWNERSHIP.
WE DON'T BELONG TO THE DEVIL.
WE BELONG TO JESUS, OKAY.
SO A CHRISTIAN CANNOT BE POSSESSED,
BUT WE CAN BE ACCESSED.
THINGS WHERE WE OPENED
DOORS UP IN OUR OWN LIFE.
VULNERABILITIES, TRAUMAS,
UH, GENERATIONAL THINGS.
SO I ALWAYS KIND OF TELL
PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME TO US, TOO.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUDGE YOU.
I'M NOT GOD.
I'M NOT THE JUDGE.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE --
BECAUSE PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME,
THEY'RE SO BROKEN.
THEY'RE SO WOUNDED,
THEY'RE SO HURT AND THEY FEEL SO MUCH SHAME.
THEY'VE CARRIED GUILT.
THEY FEEL INSECURE.
SO WHEN THEY COME TO US,
WE, WE TELL THEM, YOU KNOW,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE JUDGED.
AND WE ALSO TELL THEM,
YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SHARE WITH US, STAYS CONFIDENTIAL.
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PASTORS THAT HAVE DEALT WITH
HOMOSEXUALITY WHERE THEY WERE VIOLATED AS CHILDREN,
AND THEY WANT TO BE FREE.
AND YET SO THAT'S NOT THINGS YOU EXPOSE.
THOSE ARE THINGS
YOU HELP THEM WITH AND WE'VE SEEN RADICAL
DELIVERANCE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY.
BUT ANYWAY, SO GOING BACK TO MATTHEW 15, JESUS,
WHEN THE WOMAN CAME TO JESUS WITH THE LITTLE GIRL
AND SHE -- HE SAID TO HER THAT HEALING AND HE MADE
A REFERENCE TO IT AS HEALING IS THE CHILDREN'S BREAD.
BUT IT WAS A DELIVERANCE ISSUE
IT WASN'T LIKE WHAT WE THINK, OKAY.
I'M GOING TO LAY HANDS ON YOU,
AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE PHYSICALLY HEALED.
ALTHOUGH DELIVERANCE BRINGS PHYSICAL HEALING,
HE MADE REFERENCE OR LIKENED DELIVERANCE TO HEALING
AND TRULY DELIVERANCE IS HEALING.
IT'LL HEAL THE SOUL.
IT'LL HEAL YOUR PHYSICAL BODY.
IT'LL HEAL THE SPIRIT MAN EVEN.
OKAY, AND SO HE SAID TO HER,
HEALING IS THE CHILDREN'S BREAD SHE --
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, SHE WORSHIPPED HIM.
SO IT'S REALLY TELLING US SHE POSITIONED HERSELF AS --
AND CAME AND WORSHIPED HIM.
SO REALLY SHE CAME INTO LIKE SONSHIP WITH HIM.
BUT IN THAT, ONE OF THE REASONS
I DON'T PRAY FOR DELIVERANCE FOR AN
UNBELIEVER IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE PROTECTION.
WE HAVE PROTECTION BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS.
ONCE YOU GET FREE, THOSE DEMONS CANNOT JUST COME BACK IN.
DEMONS CAN ONLY ACCESS YOUR LIFE IF
THERE'S SOME KIND OF A LEGAL RIGHT THROUGH A DOOR
THAT'S BEEN OPENED.
SO THEY JUST CAN'T COME AND TAKE PLACE.
LIKE FOR ME,
I'M SORRY, BUT NO, I'M NOT OPENING DOORS.
SO NO, I DON'T EVEN EVER WORRY ABOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT IN MATTHEW 12 WHERE IT SAID A SPIRIT IS
CAST OUT, GOES INTO DRY PLACES, LOOKING FOR REST,
COMES BACK TO ITS HOUSE.
THAT'S EMPTY, SWEPT AND CLEAN, AND COMES BACK IN
WITH MORE -- WITH SEVEN MORE WICKED SPIRITS.
SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE THAT FOR A SCRIPTURE TO
DON'T GET DELIVERED OR YOU'RE GOING
TO GET SEVEN MORE WICKED.
THAT SCRIPTURE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT A BELIEVER.
IT SAYS IT COMES BACK TO ITS HOUSE
THAT'S EMPTY, SWEPT, AND CLEANED.
WE ARE NOT EMPTY.
GOD IS IN THE HOUSE.
JESUS IS IN THE HOUSE.
HOLY SPIRIT IS IN THIS HOUSE, OKAY.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO LITERALLY GO BACK INTO HORRIFIC SIN,
EVEN IF YOU MESS UP.
THE BIBLE SAYS IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS,
HE IS FAITHFUL AND JUST TO FORGIVE US.
SO WHEN WE MESS UP,
WE HAVE FORGIVENESS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GO BACK OUT AND PRACTICE SIN.
SO I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT?
REBECCA: YEAH, THERE'S A FEW THINGS.
ONE IS THAT I LOVE
THAT YOUR STORY, YOUR TESTIMONY WITH YOUR FAMILY
WOULD BE THE VERY THING THAT THE ENEMY MEANT TO HARM YOU,
GOD WOULD USE TO BRING DELIVERANCE AND ALSO SET
FIRE TO A MINISTRY
THAT'S BRINGING DELIVERANCE TO PEOPLE ALL
OVER THE WORLD.
AND I LOVE THAT
GOD IS REDEMPTIVE LIKE THAT AND RESTORATIVE LIKE THAT.
AND ALSO, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I LOVE AND WHY I
WANTED TO HAVE YOU ON IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE
TALKING ABOUT THIS.
BUT YOU DON'T, YOU'RE -- YOU'RE GROUNDED IN THE WORD.
IT'S NOT WEIRD AND IT'S THERE'S NO FEAR BECAUSE SO
MANY TIMES WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT DELIVERANCE,
AND DEMONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT EVEN ME,
IT CAN BE KIND OF SCARY.
AND WHAT I LOVE THAT YOU
TALK ABOUT IS THE SIMPLICITY OF IT,
HOW GOD HAS GIVEN US THE AUTHORITY,
AND HOW EVEN IF LIKE WE SIN,
WE CAN JUST REPENT AND TURN BACK TO HIM.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS OVERLY COMPLICATED THING
AND I LOVE THAT.
AND, UM, I WANTED YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE -- WELL,
THERE'S LIKE SO MANY DIRECTIONS
I WANT TO TAKE THIS.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT'S THE BEST WAY.
BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LEGAL RIGHTS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID IN ANOTHER INTERVIEW
WAS YOU SAID THE DEVIL WANTS GOD TO LOOK LEGALISTIC,
BUT HE'S ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT'S LEGALISTIC.
BEV: YES.
REBECCA: AND THERE ACTUALLY IS A COURT IN
HEAVEN AND HE IS THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN.
UM, SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO CANCEL LEGAL RIGHTS
AND HOW THE DEVIL TRIES TO USE THAT ON US?
BEV: SIMPLY GOING TO THE FACT OF --
THE FACT THAT IF
YOU BREAK THE LEGAL RIGHTS OF THE ENEMY,
GOD IS NOT A LEGALIST,
HE'S A GOD OF MERCY.
THE DEVIL IS A LEGALIST
MEANING THIS, THAT HE WILL HOLD YOU TO ANYTHING
HE CAN, OKAY.
AND HE IS THE ACCUSER.
SO HOW DO YOU BREAK A LEGAL RIGHT?
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
LET ME JUST KIND OF GRAB MY MANUAL HERE,
BECAUSE I LIKE TO QUOTE THIS.
BUT, UH, AGAIN,
GOD IS NOT THE LEGALIST THE ENEMY IS.
AND SO A LEGAL --
LET ME -- A LEGAL RIGHT
IS THE PERMISSION OR CONSENT THAT AN EVIL SPIRIT
HAS GAINED IN A PERSON'S LIFE THROUGH THE PERSON'S
SIN, GENERATIONAL SIN, OR INIQUITY THROUGH TRAUMATIC
EVENTS, THROUGH OCCULT ACTIVITY, VOWS, OATHS,
WRONG BELIEF SYSTEM, CURSES.
AND THESE HAVE TO BE RENOUNCED AND REPENTED OF.
AND SO IT'S SO SIMPLE.
WHEN WE TAKE PEOPLE THROUGH DELIVERANCE,
UH, I USUALLY GET THEIR HISTORY.
WHAT I DO IS, UM, AND I -- AGAIN,
THAT'S IN THE MANUAL WHERE YOU CAN LOOK FOR OPEN DOORS,
LIKE WHAT OPENED THE DOOR UP TO YOU BECAUSE
THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GO IN AND I -- WE'RE GOING TO
CANCEL THE LEGAL RIGHTS.
SO IT COULD BE LIKE I'VE HAD PEOPLE COME TO ME
WHO HAVE SAID I HAVE HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES.
I'VE NEVER DONE IT.
I NEVER WAS VIOLATED, BUT I FEEL LIKE EVER SINCE
I'VE BEEN LITTLE, THIS HAS BEEN THERE.
OKAY, SO WHAT WOULD THAT TELL ME?
IT'S IN THE GENERATIONS.
BECAUSE THINGS GO FROM
GENERATION TO GENERATION.
AND I -- LET ME LET ME SAY THIS, TOO, BECAUSE JUST
BECAUSE A PERSON HAS BEEN ACCESSED
THROUGH SOME VULNERABILITY,
UH, THROUGH SOME TRAUMA, THROUGH SOME GENERATIONAL,
NEVER MEANS YOU'RE BAD.
PEOPLE THINK, WELL,
IF I GOT A DEMON,
I'M THIS BAD PERSON.
NO, YOU'RE NOT.
YOU'RE SIMPLY A PERSON THAT HAS
BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF UNBEKNOWN TO YOU THROUGH
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
SO HE HAS WAYS, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN.
CHILDREN ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE.
AND SO WHEN THEY'RE VUL --
WHEN THEY'RE LITTLE,
HE'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE.
AND TODAY WE SEE
SO MUCH OF THAT GOING ON WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND I DO WANT TO SHARE A STORY OF A YOUNG PERSON, BUT --
REBECCA: THAT WAS MY NEXT THING,
I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT CHILDREN
AND ADVISE THE PARENTS, TOO.
BEV: OH, YES.
REBECCA: OF HOW WE CAN PROTECT THEM AND STUFF.
BEV: OKAY.
SO, BUT GOING BACK TO THE QUICK THING ON THE LEGAL RIGHT.
SO IF WE REPENT AND RENOUNCE
THE WORKS OF DARKNESS, OKAY,
WHICH THE BIBLE TELLS US TO RENOUNCE WORKS OF
DARKNESS AND REPENTANCE, THEN LITERALLY YOU'VE
BROKE HIS LEGAL RIGHT.
WHATEVER RIGHT GAVE HIM BECAUSE THE BLOOD OF JESUS
CANCELS ANY RIGHT HE'S GOTTEN.
SO THAT'S AGAIN,
AS A BELIEVER WE CAN CANCEL THOSE RIGHTS
THROUGH REPENTANCE AND THEN RENOUNCING AND JUST
THEN THE PERSON THAT'S PRAYING WITH YOU CAN
SIMPLY CALL THAT SPIRIT OUT AND IT GOES AND IT
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VIOLENT.
UH, I'M NOT AGAINST MANIFESTATION AND THERE
WILL BE SOMETIMES SOME MANIFESTATION.
UH, BUT YOU CAN GET, IN FACT, WHAT I DO,
IF THE MANIFESTATION GETS TOO STRONG,
IF I'M DEALING WITH SOMEONE,
I'LL SHUT IT DOWN.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO REMEMBER WE'RE IN CHARGE,
NOT THE DEVIL.
WE'RE THE ONES IN CHARGE.
OKAY, WE'RE REPRESENTING CHRIST AND ALL AUTHORITY
HE TOOK IT BACK AND HE PUT IT IN THE CHURCH.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT SITS.
SO AND NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE AUTHORITY,
THIS IS A GOOD THING, TOO.
THE BIBLE SAYS IN EPHESIANS 2:6,
WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN JOINT SEATING WITH CHRIST IN
HEAVENLY PLACES, THAT MEANS HERE'S GOD, HERE'S JESUS,
AND HERE'S US RIGHT HERE WITH JESUS.
HE GAVE US JOINT SEATING.
THAT WORD JOINT MEANS EQUALITY.
ISN'T THAT SOMETHING?
I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK OF LIKE, LORD, YOU,
BUT WHY DID JESUS, GIVE US AUTHORITY,
AND THEN POSITION US HERE.
SO WE CAN OPERATE NOT ONLY WITH THE AUTHORITY,
BUT WE'RE POSITIONED TO OPERATE IN THAT AUTHORITY.
SO ONCE THOSE LEGAL RIGHTS HAVE BEEN BROKEN,
AND SO IF MAYBE SOMEBODY
HAS A VERY, MAYBE SOMETHING A SPIRIT
WOULD START TEARING THEM,
I WILL USUALLY ALWAYS SHUT IT DOWN.
TELL HIM TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH BECAUSE SPIRITS ARE BREATH.
THEY COME OUT THAT WAY.
THEY COME OUT OTHER WAYS, TOO.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD TELL ME,
THERE'S PROBABLY STILL A LEGAL RIGHT THERE.
SO LET'S FIND OUT
WHAT'S GOING ON.
LET'S REPENT AND RENOUNCE THIS SO THAT IT CAN BE
EASIER FOR YOU AND IT WORKS EVERY TIME,
EVERY EVERY SINGLE TIME.
SO ONCE THOSE ARE BROKEN THOUGH, AGAIN THE LEGAL RIGHTS,
UH, THE SPIRIT HAS TO GO.
IT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE.
WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO IT AND WE
WOULD BE DOING DELIVERANCE,
I WOULD SOMETIMES COME UP AGAINST THE WALL AND THE
SPIRIT WASN'T LEAVING.
SO I WOULD CALL ROGER AND I'D
SAY, ROGER, I CAN'T GET THIS THING TO LEAVE.
AND HE'D SAY TO ME,
BEV, ARE YOU BREAKING THE LEGAL RIGHTS?
AND USUALLY I WASN'T.
SO BECAUSE I KIND OF POOH-POOHED THAT TO START WITH,
IT'S NOT A POOH-POOH.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BREAK
LEGAL RIGHTS OF THE ENEMY
BECAUSE HE IS A LEGALIST.
GOD IS NOT, BUT HE YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY
HOW, HOW THE ENEMY ALWAYS WANTS TO
REPRESENT GOD AS THE LEGALIST.
AND YET HE'S A GOD OF SUCH LOVE
AND MERCY AND COMPASSION.
I HAVE LITERALLY EXPERIENCED
THE COMPASSION OF JESUS FOR PEOPLE THAT SO GOES SO
FAR BEYOND MY OWN ABILITY THAT I KNOW IT'S HIS COMPASSION.
BECAUSE YOU FEEL JUST SO MUCH LOVE FOR
THESE PEOPLE THAT COME THAT ARE SO BROKEN AND WOUNDED.
AND I ALSO DEAL WITH, AND I'M GONNA GET INTO
THE CHILDREN THING, BUT I ALSO DEAL WITH THINGS WITH
INNER HEALING, TAKING PEOPLE OUT OF CAPTIVITY
AND THAT'S HUGE.
BECAUSE NORMALLY WHEN A PERSON COMES,
THEY'RE NOT ONLY DEALING WITH THE DEMONIC,
THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE DAMAGE THAT THAT THING HAS DONE.
SOME TRAUMA, SOME VIOLATION IN THEIR LIFE.
SO WITH CHILDREN,
I ACTUALLY HAVE A BOOK ON CHILDREN'S DELIVERANCE, OKAY.
SO IN THAT, I GO INTO A LOT OF DIFFERENT,
DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE AS PARENTS CAN OPEN THE
DOOR UP TO OUR CHILDREN.
AND SO CHILDREN ARE
USUALLY VERY EASY TO GET FREE BECAUSE THE STUFF IS
NOT ROOTED IN THEM.
I ALWAYS SAY,
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WEED,
UH, WHERE IF YOU LEAVE A WEED,
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO
GET A SHOVEL AND DIG IT OUT.
BUT IF YOU PULL THAT WEED WHEN IT'S YOUNG,
IT COMES RIGHT OUT AND THAT'S THE SAME WAY
WITH OUR CHILDREN.
SO THE YOUNGER
YOU CAN GET YOUR CHILDREN DELIVERED WHETHER IT BE
OF GENERATIONAL STUFF OR MAYBE BEHAVIORS THAT YOU
SEE WITH YOUR CHILDREN.
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER ONE TIME MY YOUNGEST GRANDSON
WAS THROWING A TEMPER TANTRUM AND HE WAS ON THE
FLOOR KICKING AND SCREAMING AND MY HUSBAND
JUST LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID, YOU
THAT'S CAUSING THAT
IN MICHAEL, COME OUT OF HIM, IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
AND MICHAEL
JUST GOT RIGHT UP AND QUIT, JUST TOTALLY QUIT.
I SAW FEAR IN MY YOUNGEST GRANDSON, WHICH WAS VERY
TYPICAL OF THE SAME FEAR
I WALKED IN AS A CHILD.
AND SO WHEN I WOULD SEE THAT,
I'D BE LIKE OKAY, DEVIL, YOU AREN'T GOING TO DO TO HIM,
WHAT YOU DID TO ME.
SO WE BACKED UP, REPENTED,
YOU KNOW, FOR THE GENERATIONAL THINGS.
I HAD HIM REPENT,
AND TOTALLY GOT HIM FREE OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT GOING TO CHILDREN,
THERE'S A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY TO PARENTS.
IF WE OPEN DOORS UP TO OUR CHILDREN BY LETTING THEM,
VIDEO GAMES, MOVIES, ALL OF THESE.
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS ONLINE TODAY THAT ARE,
OH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS INTERESTING.
THERE IS A THING CALLED THE BOOK OF BILL,
AND IT IS A SATANIC BIBLE FOR CHILDREN
AND A FATHER FOUND IT,
I SAW IT ON FACEBOOK,
HE FOUND IT IN HIS SON'S ROOM, A 12-YEAR-OLD BOY.
AND HE STARTED GOING THROUGH IT.
AND IN THERE,
THERE'S A PORTION FOR THAT CHILD OF HOW TO SELL YOUR
SOUL TO THE DEVIL, HOW TO --
ENCOURAGES THEM TO GO TO
TAROT CARD READERS OR PSYCHICS OR CONTACT THEM.
AND SO I LOOKED IT UP, THE BOOK OF BILL AND IT'S
REALLY A SATANIC BIBLE AND IT COMES OUT OF THE DISNEY
MOVIE GRAVITY FALLS.
YEAH, IT'S PRETTY SHOCKING,
BUT DISNEY, IF I GET INTO DISNEY, WHICH I WON'T
A WHOLE LOT, DISNEY'S NOTHING
BUT BLATANT WITCHCRAFT.
AND IT HAS GONE TO LEVELS OF
WITCHCRAFT AND IT DON'T PLAY NO MORE.
WE'RE NOT GETTING SNOW WHITE, FOLKS.
WE'RE GOING TO THE HIGH LEVEL OF WITCHCRAFT WHERE
THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO LITERALLY
SELL THEIR SOUL.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS.
I WON'T TAKE TIME TO GO INTO THAT.
BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ONE STORY ABOUT A YOUNG
MAN THAT CAME TO US.
HIS PARENTS WERE EVANGELICALS,
BOTH OF THEM SCHOOLTEACHERS.
AND THEY WENT TO A DOCTOR IN IN TOWN HERE IN ROCKFORD
AND THE GRANDMOTHER OR THE GRANDMOTHER WENT TO THE --
TO SEE THE DOCTOR AND SHE WAS TELLING HIM,
HE'S A CHRISTIAN DOCTOR, ABOUT THEIR GRANDSON.
AND HOW HE WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD.
HE HAD BECOME ANGRY AND VIOLENT AND THEY COULDN'T
FIGURE OUT WHY.
SHE HAD ACTUALLY RECORDED A CLIP, A VIDEO CLIP
ON HER PHONE.
SO SHE SHOWED IT TO THE DOCTOR AND HE SAID
YOU KNOW WHAT?
HE SAID, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND YOU TAKE
HER OR TAKE HIM TO THIS
LADY BEV TUCKER.
AND SO SHE LITERALLY CALLED HER SON AND SAID,
YOU KNOW WHAT?
DR. MECCA SAID,
IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU TO TAKE,
I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME, BUT I'M GOING
TO SAY IT WAS ADAM.
SO TO SEE THIS PASTOR BEV.
AND SO I GAVE HIM MY PHONE NUMBER,
BUT THEY NEVER CALLED ME.
SO, UH, ABOUT A YEAR LATER,
THIS MOM AND DAD FINALLY CALLED ME.
THEY HAD TAKEN HIM TO COUNSELING.
THEY HAD TAKEN HIM TO THERAPY.
NOTHING.
HE WAS STILL AS DESTRUCTIVE AND JUST AS VIOLENT.
HE WOULD GET UP LIKE ON THE BACK OF THE
COUCH AND GROWL AT HIS PARENTS,
SAY I HATE YOU.
HE WOULD CALL THEM EVERY FILTHY NAME
YOU COULD IMAGINE.
EIGHT YEARS OLD,
EIGHT YEARS OLD.
SO THEY WANTED TO KNOW,
THEY FINALLY --
I'M A LAST RESORT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE TO,
YOU KNOW, LIKE DELIVERANCE IS TABOO.
NO, NO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER REASON DELIVERANCE HAS
BECOME TABOO IS BECAUSE OF MOVIES, HORROR MOVIES,
AND EXORCIST AND ALL OF THAT WHERE THEY MAKE IT SO
CRAZY AND WOULD SCARE A PERSON HALF TO DEATH TO GO,
YEAH, THAT'S WHY,
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ANOTHER TACTIC OF THE ENEMY.
BUT ANYWAY, SO THEY FINALLY BRING HIM TO ME AS
A LAST RESORT AND THEY COME IN, MOM AND DAD.
AND I DO NOT, UH, MINISTER TO CHILDREN WITHOUT
THE MOM AND DAD THERE.
OKAY, I HAVE ALWAYS IF YOU CAN BRING YOUR CHILD,
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME, OKAY.
FOR A FEW REASONS, NUMBER ONE, THAT COVERING,
BECAUSE PARENTS ARE THE COVERING.
AND ALSO I DON'T WANT ANY
ACCUSATIONS GOING OUT AGAINST ME.
I'M DEALING WITH DEMONS AND I KNOW IT,
AND ALSO THEY NEED TO SEE WHAT GOES ON.
BUT ANYWAY --
REBECCA: OKAY.
BEV: RADICAL.
REBECCA: WE'LL GO BACK TO THE EIGHT-YEAR-OLD.
SO THE PARENTS FINALLY COME TO YOU AS A LAST RESORT.
BEV: YES.
REBECCA: AND WHAT HAPPENED?
BEV: AND SO THEY FINALLY COME TO US AND SO WE'RE
SITTING DOWN TALKING AND HEARING THEIR STORY AND
ALL OF THAT.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS LIKE, OKAY,
SO WHAT ARE,
WHAT'S HE PLAYING WITH?
WHAT'S HE WATCHING ON
TV, VIDEOS, WHO ARE HIS FRIENDS?
OKAY, BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS THAT WRONG COMPANIONS
CORRUPT GOOD CHARACTER.
OKAY, SO I WAS EVEN SPEAKING TO SOME YOUTH HERE
A FEW WEEKS AGO AND I SAID THAT DON'T MEAN
ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE EVIL, BUT THEY COULD BE WRONG FRIENDS.
YOU KNOW, THAT CAN OPEN DOORS UP.
BECAUSE TODAY A LOT OF OUR
CHILDREN, YOUNG PEOPLE, DEAL WITH WITCHCRAFT
AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT THEY'RE PUBLIC
SCHOOL KIDS ARE INVOLVED IN.
AND THEY ALL GET
INVOLVED IN IT.
BUT ANYWAY THE LITTLE BOY.
SO WE THEY SAID THEY HAD TO REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM
HIS ROOM EXCEPT HIS MATTRESS,
BECAUSE HE WAS DESTROYING EVERYTHING.
SO WE EXPLAINED
TO THAT LITTLE BOY AS WELL AS MOM AND DAD THAT
BECAUSE HE HATED WHAT HE WAS DOING?
IT WOULD BE LIKE THAT SPIRIT WOULD TAKE HIM OVER
AND HE'D GO INTO THESE RAGES
AND THE CURSING AND SWEARING.
AND THEN IT WOULD LET HIM GO AND HE'D BE FINE.
AND THEN HE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH,
OH, MY GOODNESS, MOM,
I'M SO SORRY.
DAD, I'M SO SORRY.
AND HE'D FEEL SO MUCH GUILT AND SHAME
FOR WHAT HE HAD SAID TO HIS PARENTS.
BUT ANYWAY, WE EXPLAINED TO THE LITTLE BOY AND TOLD
HIM THAT WHY THOSE THINGS NEEDED TO BE OUT OF
HIS LIFE AND THEN PROCEEDED TO PRAY AND COME
AGAINST THAT SPIRIT, COMMANDED TO COME OUT OF
HIM AND IT WAS A REALLY EASY,
CALM DELIVERANCE.
AND SO THEN WE ALSO WENT AND EXPLAINED,
SO WE WALKED THEM THROUGH THE DELIVERANCE OF THE
VARIOUS THINGS, TOLD THE PARENTS SOME DIFFERENT
THINGS THEY NEEDED TO DO TO CLOSE SOME DOORS FOR
THIS CHILD, AND THEN --
REBECCA: CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE DOORS
THAT WERE OPENED?
BEV: OH, YEAH.
THE VIDEO GAMES.
HE WAS PLAYING DEMONIC VIDEO GAMES.
UH, SOME OF THE FRIENDS HE WAS HANGING OUT WITH WERE
ALSO INTO A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT,
UH, GAMES THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR CHILDREN TODAY
LIKE EVEN SOME OF THE DISNEY MOVIES
THEY WERE PARTICIPATING WITH
AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE I SAY THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF OUT
THERE AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
WE'RE IN THE END TIMES AND
THE ENEMY WANTS THIS NEXT GENERATION.
THEY WANT OUR GENERATIONS,
BUT WE EXPLAINED ALL THAT TO HIM.
AND THEN AFTER WE WALKED HIM THROUGH DELIVERANCE,
WE EXPLAINED THAT HE HAD AUTHORITY, EIGHT YEARS OLD,
JESUS IN YOUR HEART,
HONEY, YOU GOT AUTHORITY OVER THE DEVIL.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET HIM DICTATE TO YOU YOUR
BEHAVIORS OR WHATEVER.
AND SO WE EXPLAINED TO HIM
THAT IF YOU FEEL SOME THINGS,
NO, YOU TELL IT TO GO IN THE NAME OF JESUS
AND IT'LL GO BECAUSE IT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE.
YOU HAVE AUTHORITY IN JESUS.
SO AFTER WALKING HIM THROUGH DELIVERANCE,
TELLING THE PARENTS THINGS THEY NEEDED
TO GET RID OF, AND GIVING HIM SOME
COUNSEL ON HIS AUTHORITY,
THAT DAY WE -- THE SESSION WAS OVER.
AND THIS, THIS ACTUALLY,
IT WAS IN THE MONTH OF MAY.
I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING BACK
FROM THESE PARENTS AND I WOULD THINK ABOUT THEM,
BUT I DIDN'T TAKE DOWN THEIR PHONE NUMBER BECAUSE
I HAD JUST GIVEN THEM MY NUMBER.
AND SO I WONDERED ABOUT THE LITTLE BOY.
I WONDERED HOW HE'S DOING, DA-DA-DA-DA.
AND AT CHRISTMAS TIME,
I GOT A CARD FROM THEM.
AND THEY SAID, PASTOR BEV,
WE JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU.
THEY SAID,
ADAM IS ABSOLUTELY THRIVING.
HE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KID.
HE TAKES AUTHORITY --
AND THIS WAS WHAT REALLY
BLESSED ME IS THAT HE, HE LITERALLY WAS COMMANDING
THE DEVIL, THIS EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOY.
JUST SIMPLY, I MEAN, BECAUSE WHEN HE CAME,
HE WAS READY TO RECEIVE EVERYTHING WE TOLD HIM
FROM THE WORD OF GOD.
AND SO HE RADICALLY WAS RADICALLY FREE.
SO YEAH, SO IT'S GOOD STUFF,
GOOD STUFF.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I CAN GO INTO A LOT MORE.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING WITH DISNEY,
I GET ON DISNEY A LOT, JUST, OKAY.
BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME, LIKE I SAID, WE AREN'T
DEALING WITH NO SIMPLE SNOW WHITE.
WHICH SNOW WHITE
WASN'T GOOD EITHER, BUT IT'S HIGH LEVEL WITCHCRAFT.
SO I LIKE TO SAY IT THIS WAY.
WE ARE A SPIRIT.
WE HAVE A SOUL.
WE LIVE IN A BODY.
SO THE HEART OF MAN IS LITERALLY THE SOUL.
OKAY, ALTHOUGH THE SPIRIT CAN BE -- A LOT OF PEOPLE
DON'T THINK THE SPIRIT OF MAN CAN BE AFFECTED,
BUT IT CAN BE IN, UH, CORINTHIANS FIRST --
I THINK IT'S FIRST CORINTHIANS,
COULD BE SECOND, 7, VERSE 1.
IT SAYS, I PRAY THAT MY SPIRIT AND SOUL,
NO, MY SPIRIT AND BODY BE, UH,
BE CLEANSED OF ALL FILTH.
IF YOU GO TO 1 THESSALONIANS 5,
I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 18 THROUGH 20, 21.
IT SAYS I PRAY THAT YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT,
SOUL, AND BODY BE PRESERVED.
HE NAMES ALL THREE, DON'T HE?
REBECCA: UH-HUH.
BEV: OKAY, SO ANYWAY, BUT GOING BACK
TO, UH, SECULAR COUNSELING,
THEY SAY IT'S DISASSOCIATED DISORDER.
THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT IT AS BROKENNESS.
I CALL THEM FRAGMENTED SOULS, BROKEN.
YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY
JESUS IS THE HEALER OF THE BROKEN PERSON
BECAUSE HE WILL TAKE YOU AND HEAL YOUR BROKENNESS.
IN THE VIDEO, OTHER VIDEO THAT I DID WITH AMANDA,
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YOUNG WOMAN WHO I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU EVEN SAW THAT ONE, THAT HER SOUL,
THEY DID DRUGS
AND HER SOUL, LITERALLY, SHE TOLD ME WHEN SHE CAME TO ME,
WE RODE THE STARS.
NOW THAT SOUNDS CRAZY.
BUT WHEN THE SOUL IS --
WHEN -- IT'S LIKE AN ASTRAL PROJECTION.
SO LITERALLY, WHEN WE DID THAT AND PRAYED FOR HER,
UH, I SAID IN FACT, WE WALKED HER THROUGH DELIVERANCE.
I DID DELIVERANCE WITH HER ONLINE BY THE WAY.
UH, THERE'S NO DISTANCE IN THE SPIRIT REALM.
GOD IS AS BIG IF, I'VE COMMANDED STUFF,
UH, TO LEAVE PEOPLE OUT ON THE EAST COAST AND I'M
MIDWEST AND THOSE SPIRITS LEAVE THEM.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO DISTANCE IN THE SPIRIT REALM.
YOU KNOW, YOU JUST VOICE IT.
THAT'S OUR AUTHORITY IN CHRIST.
BUT ANYWAY, SHE WAS IN HOUSTON,
AND I'M HERE IN ROCKFORD AND WE'RE DOING FACETIME.
WE'RE DOING FACETIME.
AND SO I -- HER HUSBAND WAS THERE WITH HER.
AND SO FINALLY, I SAID TO HER ONE DAY AND I
CAN GIVE YOU HER NAME, BECAUSE SHE'S -- SHE'S GIVEN
THIS TESTIMONY, BUT I SAID MADDIE TODAY
WE'RE GOING TO GO
GET YOU OFF THE STARS.
AND SO I SAID JUST CLOSE YOUR
EYES AND I SAID LET YOURSELF
JUST GO BACK THERE.
AND I BEGAN TO BREAK OFF EVERY DEMONIC STRONGHOLD.
I COMMANDED THE ENEMY TO RELEASE HER OUT OF
CAPTIVITY IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
AND THEN I BEGAN TO HAVE VISIONS
OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
I LITERALLY SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
AND I LIKE SAW THESE LONG SKINNY ARMS WITH THESE
LIKE PRONGY FINGERS, GRAY ARMS REACHING OUT TO GRAB
HER AS SHE WAS COMING OUT AND THEN, UH,
HOLY SPIRIT SAID TO ME,
BEV, CALL TO HER.
SO I SAID TO HER AT ONE POINT,
I SAID, MADDIE, KEEP COMING.
AND THEN I'M COMMANDING STUFF TO COME OFF OF HER,
RELEASE HER, WHATEVER.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE LORD SAYS,
BEV, CALL TO HER AGAIN.
AND SO I SAID, MADDIE, KEEP COMING.
THREE TIMES HE TOLD ME CALL TO HER.
SO I CALLED HER THREE TIMES.
I SAID, MADDIE, KEEP COMING.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN,
I SAW LIKE THIS LIGHT.
LIKE A PATHWAY GO BEFORE HER.
AND SO I KNEW SHE WAS COMING OUT.
AND FINALLY, SHE SAID TO ME, BEV, I'M OUT OF THERE.
AND SO THEN SHE GAVE HER PORTION OF WHAT SHE SAW.
AND SO SHE SAID IT --
SHE SAID, SHE WAS COMING OUT AND SHE SAID I SAW
LIKE SHE WAS HAD BEEN SAVED FOR THREE WEEKS.
THAT'S IT.
SO SHE DIDN'T KNOW THIS STUFF,
BUT SHE SAID I SAW A SEA OF PEOPLE.
AND THE BIBLE
TALKS ABOUT A SEA OF PEOPLE,
ONE ON, TWO SIDES OF ME, SHE SAID.
AND THERE WERE THESE PEOPLE WITH THESE
ARMS REACHING OUT TO GRAB ME.
AND SHE SAID SHE NAMED
THE GUY THAT SHE HAD DONE DRUGS WITH, THAT TRIPPED
OUT WITH HER.
SHE GOES HE WAS IN THERE AND SHE SAID, BEV, IT WAS SO
DARK IN THERE.
I COULDN'T SEE AND I WAS GETTING LOST.
AND SHE SAID ALL OF A SUDDEN,
I HEARD YOU CALL MY NAME.
AND SHE SAID, I FOLLOWED THE SOUND OF YOUR VOICE
AND THAT'S HOW I FOUND MY WAY OUT.
AND THAT JUST WAS --
IT ALMOST MADE ME CRY.
BECAUSE THE LORD SAID, BEV, CALL TO HER BECAUSE HE
WAS WATCHING ALL OF IT.
SEE, WE'RE INSTRUMENTS OF THE LORD TO SET
THE CAPTIVES FREE.
THAT'S OUR ASSIGNMENT.
SO I'M DOING WHAT I'M ASSIGNED TO DO,
BUT GOD'S WATCHING AND HE SAYS, BEV, CALL TO HER.
BECAUSE HE USES US, DOESN'T HE?
AND THEN WHEN SHE SAYS,
BEV, IT WAS SO DARK.
I COULDN'T FIND MY WAY OUT,
BUT I HEARD YOUR VOICE.
AND WHEN I HEARD YOUR VOICE,
I FOLLOWED, I FOLLOWED THE SOUND OF YOUR VOICE.
AND THEN SHE AND THAT'S HOW SHE FOUND HER WAY OUT.
AND THEN SHE TALKED ABOUT SEEING THE LIGHT AND ALL
OF A SUDDEN SEEING JESUS.
AND THEN WE PRAYED FOR THE LORD TO TAKE
THAT PART OF HER SOUL
THAT WAS BROKEN AND REINTEGRATE HER AND GROW HER UP.
ONLY JESUS CAN DO THAT.
ONLY JESUS CAN TAKE A BROKEN PERSON
AND REINTEGRATE THEM AND MAKE THEM WHOLE AGAIN.
REBECCA: FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT YOU,
WHERE CAN THEY FIND YOU?
BEV: OKAY, THEY CAN,
WELL, THEY CAN GO TO MY YOUTUBE,
WHICH IS, UH, BEV TUCKER OR BEVERLY TUCKER.
THEY CAN ALSO GO TO MY WEBSITE,
BEVTUCKERMINISTRIES.COM.
AND THERE THEY CAN GET,
WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO TO AMAZON TO GET MY MANUAL,
SETTING THE CAPTIVES FREE.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE BITTERNESS, BREAKING
THE STRONG MAN OF BITTERNESS AND UNFORGIVENESS,
WHICH IS MY NEWEST BOOK.
REJECTION: IDENTITY THIEF EXPOSED,
THAT'S GOT A STORY OF
INNER HEALING IN THERE.
IT'S GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE.
AND THEN MY CHILDREN'S ONE, OKAY.
SO THAT'S IT.
I HAVE TONS OF STORIES, BUT --
REBECCA: I KNOW.
WELL, THIS HAS BEEN AMAZING.
I WANT TO SAY
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
BEV: YOU'RE SO WELCOME.