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REBECCA: HEY, GUYS.


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IN THIS EPISODE, I SIT
DOWN WITH BEV TUCKER.

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SHE HAS A DELIVERANCE
MINISTRY AND I WANTED TO

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SUPERNATURAL ENCOUNTERS
WITH THE DEMONIC.

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AND I, AS A WIFE AND MOTHER,


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WANT TO KNOW HOW TO
BEST SAFEGUARD

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AND PROTECT MY FAMILY,
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE

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ARE IN A SPIRITUAL BATTLE.


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WE SIT DOWN.


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WE HAVE A GREAT
CONVERSATION WHERE SHE

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SHARES HER STORY AND ALSO
SHE GIVES US SCRIPTURAL

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CONTEXT AS TO HOW TO PRAY
FOR DELIVERANCE AND HOW TO

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UNDERSTAND THE AUTHORITY
THAT WE HAVE IN CHRIST.



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REBECCA: HEY, GUYS, WELCOME
BACK TO THE PODCAST.

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I SAW THIS GUEST ONLINE
AND I REACHED OUT TO MY TEAM.

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AND I SAID, PLEASE,
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE HER?

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AND SHE IS HERE.


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I AM TALKING
ABOUT BEV TUCKER.

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THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE TODAY VIRTUALLY.

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BEV: THANK YOU
FOR HAVING ME.

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YES.


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YEAH.


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WELL, THANK YOU
FOR HAVING ME.

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REBECCA: WELL, WE'RE GOING TO
BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT

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I'M PERSONALLY VERY
PASSIONATE ABOUT.

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UM, WE'RE GOING BE TALKING
ABOUT DELIVERANCE.

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AND YOU HAVE A POWERFUL
TESTIMONY OF HOW YOU

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ACTUALLY ENDED UP
IN DELIVERANCE.

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SO, LET'S GO BACK
TO YOU BEING A CHILD.

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TALK ABOUT THE HOME


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YOU RAISED IN,


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THE ENCOUNTER YOU HAD
WITH THE LORD,

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AND THEN JUST
MOVE THROUGH.

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BEV: OKAY.


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ALL RIGHT.


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SO, BASICALLY, I WAS NOT
RAISED IN A CHRISTIAN HOME.

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I ALWAYS LOVED JESUS, THOUGH.


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BUT THAT GOES BACK TO THE
FACT OF WE HAVE TO PREACH

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THE GOSPEL BECAUSE OTHERWISE
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

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THEY JUST KIND OF THINK
THEY'RE OKAY WITH GOD,

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BECAUSE YOU
MIGHT LOVE HIM,

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BUT THAT'S NOT HOW
YOU GET TO HEAVEN.

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YOU DON'T GET TO
HEAVEN LOVING GOD.

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YOU GET TO HEAVEN
RECEIVING JESUS

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AS LORD AND SAVIOR.


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OKAY, SO THAT'S KIND
OF HOW I GREW UP.

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I GREW UP IN AN
ALCOHOLIC HOME.

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I GREW UP WITH A LOT OF
REJECTION IN MY LIFE,

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EVEN GENERATIONAL
REJECTION.

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SO PART OF MY
STORY FOR MYSELF,

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PERSONALLY, WAS GETTING
SET FREE FROM A SPIRIT OF

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REJECTION WHICH BRINGS
IN INADEQUACY

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AND SECURITY PERFORMANCE,


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PERFECTIONISM,
FEAR OF FAILURE,

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AND ALL OF THOSE
DIFFERENT THINGS.

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AND IT BRINGS IN
A LOT OF

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DIFFERENT THINGS
THAT KIND OF, UH,

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THAT ONE IS
A BIG ONE FOR ME.

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IN FACT, I WROTE A BOOK ON


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<i>REJECTION: IDENTITY
THIEF EXPOSED</i>

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BECAUSE, UH,
REJECTION WANTS TO STEAL

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YOUR IDENTITY, WHICH THEN
WILL STEAL YOUR DESTINY.

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OKAY, SO, BUT ANYWAY,
GOING BACK TO THE STORY,

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SO I GREW UP IN A HOME


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THAT WAS NOT CHRISTIAN.


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UH, DID NOT EVEN, UH,
LIKE I SAID, I LOVED GOD,

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BUT DID NOT KNOW


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I REALLY NEEDED TO HAVE A
PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP

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WITH JESUS CHRIST.


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SO MY HUSBAND AND I
WE WERE LIVING

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IN NEW YORK AT THE TIME.


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AND WE MOVED TO A LITTLE
TOWN IN BUHLER NORTH DAKOTA.

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WE HAD -- ALREADY HAD THREE
CHILDREN AT THAT TIME.

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AND THE FIRST PERSON


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I MET WAS A YOUNG
PENTECOSTAL GIRL.

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HER NAME WAS BEV PETERSON.


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AND SHE STARTED JUST
REACHING OUT TO ME.

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AND SO STARTED
INVITING US TO CHURCH

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AND DIFFERENT THINGS
LIKE THAT.

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AND BUT THE ONE THING,


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SHE DID IS SHE ASKED ME
THE QUESTION IF YOU WERE

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TO DIE TONIGHT AND
STAND BEFORE GOD AND HE

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WERE TO SAY TO YOU,


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WHY I SHOULD I LET
YOU INTO MY HEAVEN,

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WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?


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AND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT,


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WELL, I'M AN
AMERICAN NUMBER ONE,

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WHICH IS FUNNY.


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BUT, UH, WASN'T THAT
BAD OF A PERSON.

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I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW,


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I HADN'T MURDERED ANYBODY.


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AND SO SHE TOOK ME TO THE
SCRIPTURE AND SHOWED ME

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THAT IT WAS NOT BY WORKS,


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LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST
AND OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS

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IS AS FILTHY RAGS.


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ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME
SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD

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AND THE WAGES
OF SIN IS DEATH.

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SO WHEN SHE BROUGHT ME TRUTH,
THE POWER OF THE

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WORD OF GOD, WILL
BRING CONVICTION.

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SO WHEN I'M OUT TRAVELING,
BECAUSE I TRAVEL A LOT,

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I SHARE JESUS, THE WORD,
BECAUSE EVEN IF I DON'T

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GET TO LEAD THEM
TO THE LORD,

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I'VE PUT OUT A SEED
THAT WON'T GO VOID,

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AND I BELIEVE THAT.


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SO I JUST KIND OF
CAME UNDER

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THE CONVICTION OF THE
HOLY SPIRIT.

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AND TO MAKE A LONG
STORY SHORT,

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UH, GAVE MY LIFE
TO THE LORD.

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MY HUSBAND DID.


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HE ACTUALLY BEAT ME
TO THAT.

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WE WERE -- STARTED
GOING TO THEIR CHURCH.

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AND THE NIGHT BEFORE,


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I GAVE MY LIFE
TO THE LORD.

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HE GAVE HIS LIFE
TO THE LORD.

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AND THEN WE,


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YEAH, THAT WAS GOOD.


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AND SO EXCEPT HE MADE ME
MAD BECAUSE I FIGURED, HE WAS,

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I FIGURED IF
ANYBODY KNEW GOD,

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IT WAS ME, NOT HIM,


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BUT WHICH IS DUMB.


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BUT ANYWAY, SO, BUT HE
DID AND SO THEN, UH,

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VERY SHORTLY AFTER THAT, TO
KIND OF GO INTO MORE OF

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THE WHY THE DELIVERANCE


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AND HOW WE GOT INTO THAT,


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WE MOVED INTO A HOME.


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WE BOUGHT A PIECE
OF PROPERTY.

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IT HAD A SMALL
HOUSE ON IT,

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BUT WE DECIDED THE
LAND WAS BEAUTIFUL.

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SO WE DECIDED WE
WERE GOING TO BUILD

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ONTO THE HOUSE


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JUST SO WE COULD
HAVE THE PROPERTY

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BECAUSE WE LIKED
THE PROPERTY.

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NOT REALIZING ALL THAT CAME
WITH THAT PIECE OF LAND.

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AND WHEN WE
MOVED INTO IT,

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WHEN WE JUST KIND OF
LOOKED AT IT,

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IT SEEMED ALL RIGHT.


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AND LIKE BEING A
DELIVERANCE MINISTER NOW,

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I'VE LEARNED THAT
A LOT OF TIMES SPIRITS

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ALL HIDE BECAUSE THEY
DON'T WANT TO SHOW

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THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY'RE
WANTING TO HAVE AN

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OPPORTUNITY TO
ACCESS YOUR LIFE.

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AND ESPECIALLY THE WORD
OCCULT

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THAT'S WHAT IT
MEANS HIDDEN.

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SO WE MOVED
INTO THIS HOUSE.

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I HATED IT FROM
THE MOMENT

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I MOVED INTO IT.


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WE BEGAN TO HAVE
MANIFESTATION OF SPIRITS,

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BUT WE, BEING SO NEW IN THE
LORD, DID NOT UNDERSTAND

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WHAT WE WERE SENSING
IN THE HOUSE,

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WHAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING
IN THE HOUSE.

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WHEN I GOT SAVED,


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I BELIEVE THERE WAS GOD,


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JESUS, AND A DEVIL.


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YOU KNOW, NOTHING
TOO SERIOUS.

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BUT WHEN WE MOVED ALSO
IN ON THE PROPERTY,

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IT HAD LIKE THIS LONG
DRIVEWAY WITH TREES,

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AND THERE WAS A SIGN AND
IT SAID SANTINIKETAN,

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THEN AND THEN
UNDERNEATH IT,

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IT SAID HAVEN OF
PEACE AND HINDU.

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WELL, WE KNEW
HINDU WASN'T GOOD.

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SO WE TORE THAT DOWN,


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UH, NOT REALIZING AGAIN


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ALL THAT HAD BEEN -- HAD
GONE ON IN THE HOUSE.

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SO WHAT THEY
DID IN THE HOME,

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AND THEN I'LL KIND OF TELL
YOU THE STORY A LITTLE BIT

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ABOUT THINGS THAT
HAPPENED TO US.

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BUT THEY PRACTICED A CULT
CALLED ROSICRUCIAN,

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AND THAT CULT IS, UH,
IT'S PRETTY HIGH LEVEL

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WHEN IT COMES TO --


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FREEMASONS USE IT IN
THEIR TEACHING.

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IT'S ALSO SOME OF THE
TEACHINGS ARE IN MORMONISM

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AND IT USES A LOT OF
EGYPTIAN-GOD TYPE STUFF,

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WHICH I HAVE KIND OF
FOUND THAT OUT NOW,

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BUT AFTER THE FACT.


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OKAY, SO ANYWAY
SOME OF THE THINGS,

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UH, THE HOUSE HAD
A DETACHED GARAGE.

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SO WHEN WE WOULD PULL
INTO THE DRIVEWAY,

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WE USUALLY WOULD
PARK INTO THE GARAGE.

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WE WOULD JUST GO
INTO THE HOUSE.

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SO WE WOULD LIKE RUN INTO
THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU

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COULD SENSE THIS FEAR
THAT WAS PREVALENT

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ALL OVER THE PLACE.


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WE BEGAN TO HAVE LIKE THIS
ODOR OF SULFUR THAT WOULD

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JUST COME UP IN
THE HOUSE.

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AND YEARS LATER,


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I REALIZED OR FOUND OUT
THROUGH READING SOME STUFF

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ON DELIVERANCE THAT THE
SMELL OF SULFUR MEANS THAT

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THERE'S A PORTAL TO HELL.


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SO I'M LIKE,


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OH, MY GOODNESS,
THAT'S WHERE WE LIVED,

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BUT ALSO IN THAT WE'D
ALSO HAVE LIKE A SMELL OF

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SOMETHING DEAD WOULD COME
OUT OF THE REGISTER.

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WHEN MY FRIEND
BEV, THAT LED US

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TO THE LORD, WOULD COME OVER,


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I'D SAY TO HER,


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I'D SAY, BEV, SMELL THAT
REGISTER AND SHE'D GET DOWN

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AND SMELL IT AND THERE'D
BE NO ODOR AT ALL.

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AND THEN BECAUSE SHE WOULD
HAVE PROBABLY DISCERNED

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IT MORE THAN I DID.


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BUT THEN IT WOULD GO
AND COME BACK

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WHEN SHE LEFT.


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ONE NIGHT I WAS LAYING IN BED
AND THIS COLD BLACK AND FURRY

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THING SLITHERED ACROSS
MY FACE AND I SAW IT,

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BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT.


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SO I GUESS I SAW
IT IN THE SPIRIT.

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IT WAS THIS LONG, THIS WIDE,
AND AS BLACK AS BLACK

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COULD BE AND COLD.


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IT WAS ICE COLD AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF

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TYPICAL OF MANIFESTATIONS
IN THAT HOUSE.

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SO I ALWAYS WAS ALSO
VERY, VERY AFRAID FOR MY

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CHILDREN IN THAT HOUSE.


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WE HAD THREE CHILDREN.


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THEY WERE FOUR,


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UH, SEVEN AND EIGHT.


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I THINK WAS ABOUT THEIR AGES
WHEN WE MOVED IN THERE.

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AND SO, UH, IN
THAT ONE NIGHT,

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OH, AND ALSO, TOO, MY
HUSBAND AND I HAD REALLY,

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WE WOULD REALLY
START ARGUING A LOT

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WHILE WE LIVED THERE.


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AND NOT THAT WE HAD A
PERFECT MARRIAGE,

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PRIOR TO THAT, WE DIDN'T.


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ONCE WE FOUND THE LORD,


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THAT WAS WHEN WE HAD TO
START WORKING ON OUR

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MARRIAGE BECAUSE GOD DON'T
JUST LET YOU LIVE ANY OLD

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WAY YOU WANT.


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AND SO, BUT WHEN WE
MOVED IN THAT HOUSE,

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OUR FIGHTS GOT WORSE.


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AND SO ONE NIGHT,


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WE CAME HOME FROM CHURCH
AND WE HAD A FIGHT ON THE

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WAY HOME FROM CHURCH WHICH
WAS KIND OF NORMAL.

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AND WE'D GET OUT
OF THE CAR

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AND GO IN THE HOUSE
AND HE GOES

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FOR A WALK DOWN BY THE
RIVER AND I'M THINKING,

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HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO
GO JUMP IN THE RIVER.

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AND I THOUGHT GOOD,
GO, JUMP IN THE RIVER.

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AND THE LORD SAID,
PRAY, BEV, FOR HIM.

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SO I PRAYED AND HE CAME BACK


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IN THE HOUSE.


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AND WHEN HE CAME
BACK IN THE HOUSE,

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HE SAID TO ME,
BEV, YOU KNOW,

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IT WAS EASIER FOR US
BEFORE WE FOUND THE LORD

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THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.


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WHICH WAS TRUE
BECAUSE AFTER WE

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FOUND THE LORD,


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WE MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE,


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AND THE WARFARE THAT BROKE


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OUT AGAINST US
WAS HORRIFIC.

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AND PART OF THAT


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WAS BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS
PRAYING IN THE HOLY SPIRIT,

00:09:54.066 --> 00:09:55.933
PLEADING THE BLOOD
OF JESUS,

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USING THE NAME OF JESUS.


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YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST
IN THE WORD OF GOD,

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AND, YOU KNOW, SO ON FIRE
FOR THE THINGS OF GOD.

00:10:02.299 --> 00:10:05.866
SO IT WAS LIKE
SPIRIT TO SPIRIT.

00:10:05.966 --> 00:10:07.833
SO HE CAME IN
AND HE SAID, BEV,

00:10:07.933 --> 00:10:11.832
IT WAS EASIER BEFORE WE FOUND
THE LORD THAN IT IS NOW.

00:10:11.932 --> 00:10:13.333
AND I SAID, YEAH.


00:10:13.433 --> 00:10:14.600
I SAID, I KNOW IT WAS,


00:10:14.700 --> 00:10:16.933
BUT I SAID WE CAN'T QUIT.


00:10:17.033 --> 00:10:18.833
AND SO WHEN I SAID THAT,


00:10:18.933 --> 00:10:19.999
THIS THING ALL OF
A SUDDEN,

00:10:20.099 --> 00:10:23.233
LIKE STOOD OVER IN THE
CORNER OF OUR BEDROOM.

00:10:23.333 --> 00:10:26.633
AND IT WAS LIKE THE
ENTIRE FROM THE CEILING

00:10:26.733 --> 00:10:28.499
ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR.


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IT EMANATED, FROM IT,


00:10:30.766 --> 00:10:32.133
IT WAS LIKE YOU
COULD SEE IT,

00:10:32.233 --> 00:10:33.366
BUT YOU COULDN'T SEE IT,


00:10:33.466 --> 00:10:34.866
COULDN'T SEE WITH
THE NATURAL EYE.

00:10:34.966 --> 00:10:37.732
YOU COULD SEE IT
WITH THE SPIRITUAL EYE.

00:10:37.832 --> 00:10:42.266
I LOOKED AT IT AND IT
EMANATED FROM ITS BEING

00:10:42.366 --> 00:10:47.099
A HATRED TOWARDS US THAT WAS
SO STRONG THAT THE ONLY

00:10:47.199 --> 00:10:51.999
WAY YOU COULD DESCRIBE
THAT HATE WOULD BE TO GO

00:10:52.099 --> 00:10:55.499
TO ITS OPPOSITE WHICH
WOULD BE THE LOVE OF GOD.

00:10:55.599 --> 00:10:58.799
AND BECAUSE THAT'S AS
EXTREME AS THE LOVE OF GOD

00:10:58.899 --> 00:11:02.433
IS FOR US AND GOD'S LOVE
IS SO EXTREME FOR US.

00:11:02.533 --> 00:11:07.066
THE HATRED OF THE ENEMY
AGAINST US IS JUST AS EXTREME.

00:11:07.166 --> 00:11:10.933
AND THEN IT ALSO EMANATED
A COLDNESS FROM IT

00:11:11.033 --> 00:11:12.966
THAT WAS COLDER THAN ICE,


00:11:13.066 --> 00:11:13.766
EXCUSE ME,


00:11:13.866 --> 00:11:15.833
AND I BELIEVE THAT
WAS DEATH.

00:11:15.933 --> 00:11:17.600
AND THE REASON I SAY


00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:19.000
I BELIEVE IT
WAS DEATH,

00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:22.566
BACK THEN I DIDN'T,
BUT AGAIN FROM WHAT

00:11:22.666 --> 00:11:26.233
I'VE EXPERIENCED IN LIFE
WITH PEOPLE AND DELIVERANCE,

00:11:26.333 --> 00:11:28.400
THAT'S HOW I KNOW
THAT IT WAS.

00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:29.833
DEATH IS COLD.


00:11:29.933 --> 00:11:31.366
IT'S COLDER THAN ICE.


00:11:31.466 --> 00:11:32.933
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.


00:11:33.033 --> 00:11:37.733
SO ANYWAY ALL THAT BEING
SAID, I LOOKED AT IT

00:11:37.833 --> 00:11:40.833
AND I JUST SAID, YOU
CAN'T BE HERE BECAUSE

00:11:40.933 --> 00:11:42.666
WE'RE CHILDREN OF THE KING.


00:11:42.766 --> 00:11:45.466
AND IMMEDIATELY, IT LEFT.


00:11:45.566 --> 00:11:49.433
AND THREE DAYS LATER, OUR
HOUSE BURNED TO THE GROUND.

00:11:49.533 --> 00:11:51.766
WE HAD GONE TO A WEDNESDAY
NIGHT CHURCH SERVICE

00:11:51.866 --> 00:11:52.899
WITH OUR PASTOR.


00:11:52.999 --> 00:11:56.266
AND WHILE WE WERE THERE,
THE POLICE CAME

00:11:56.366 --> 00:12:00.166
IN LOOKING FOR US AND THEY
CAME TO TELL US THAT OUR

00:12:00.266 --> 00:12:01.500
HOUSE HAD BURNED
TO THE GROUND.

00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.800
AND WE BASICALLY LOST
EVERYTHING WE HAD

00:12:05.900 --> 00:12:08.033
AND EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE
HAD IN THE GARAGE.

00:12:08.133 --> 00:12:09.033
BECAUSE AGAIN, I TOLD YOU,


00:12:09.133 --> 00:12:11.233
THE GARAGE WAS
DETACHED.

00:12:11.333 --> 00:12:14.733
SO, UM, IN THAT, I WAS
JUST SO RELIEVED

00:12:14.833 --> 00:12:17.299
TO GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE.


00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:18.866
AND PEOPLE
WOULD SAY TO ME, BEV,

00:12:18.966 --> 00:12:21.066
YOU'RE HANDLING
THIS SO WELL.

00:12:21.166 --> 00:12:21.999
AND I THOUGHT, WELL,


00:12:22.099 --> 00:12:22.933
IF YOU LIVED IN THAT HOUSE,


00:12:23.033 --> 00:12:24.666
YOU'D BE GLAD TO GET
OUT OF IT, TOO.

00:12:24.766 --> 00:12:28.132
WHICH I TOTALLY, TOTALLY
WAS SO GLAD TO GET OUT.

00:12:28.232 --> 00:12:30.066
SO WE LEFT.


00:12:30.166 --> 00:12:33.866
WE ENDED UP GETTING AN
APARTMENT FOR A WHILE.

00:12:33.966 --> 00:12:35.232
WE STAYED IN THE
APARTMENT FOR A WHILE.

00:12:35.332 --> 00:12:38.533
BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN,
WE BEGAN TO NOTICE

00:12:38.633 --> 00:12:43.533
BEHAVIOR, BEHAVIORAL
CHANGES IN OUR OLDEST SON,

00:12:43.633 --> 00:12:46.600
AND HE BEGAN TO HAVE
PROBLEMS IN SCHOOL.

00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:51.766
HE BEGAN TO BE -- HAVE
BEHAVIORAL ISSUES.

00:12:51.866 --> 00:12:54.699
WE WERE GETTING CALLS FROM
THE SCHOOL ABOUT HIM.

00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.433
HE -- I HAD ACTUALLY HAD A
SCHOOLTEACHER COME VISIT

00:12:57.533 --> 00:12:58.266
ME ONE DAY


00:12:58.366 --> 00:12:59.666
THAT WAS A FRIEND OF MINE.


00:12:59.766 --> 00:13:03.300
AND SHE SAID, BEV, HE'S A
DIFFERENT CHILD HERE AT

00:13:03.400 --> 00:13:05.299
HOME THAN HE IS AT SCHOOL.


00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.700
AND SO WHAT WE
BEGAN TO REALIZE IS THAT

00:13:09.800 --> 00:13:12.633
WHEN THOSE SPIRITS
HAD HIM AWAY FROM US,

00:13:12.733 --> 00:13:13.633
THEY WOULD MANIFEST.


00:13:13.733 --> 00:13:15.466
WHEN THEY WERE IN OUR
HOME,

00:13:15.566 --> 00:13:16.366
THEY WOULD NOT MANIFEST.


00:13:16.466 --> 00:13:18.666
BECAUSE WE WERE STARTING


00:13:18.766 --> 00:13:24.066
TO GET ONTO THE IDEA OF, UH,
SPIRITS AND, YOU KNOW,

00:13:24.166 --> 00:13:27.433
HOLY SPIRIT VERSUS
DEMONIC SPIRITS.

00:13:27.533 --> 00:13:29.666
BUT ANYWAY ALL OF
THAT BEING SAID,

00:13:29.766 --> 00:13:31.766
WE ENDED UP, AFTER
A FEW YEARS,

00:13:31.866 --> 00:13:33.499
MOVING OUT OF THAT TOWN


00:13:33.599 --> 00:13:36.066
AND MOVING HERE TO
ROCKFORD, ILLINOIS.

00:13:36.166 --> 00:13:38.733
HIS BEHAVIORS JUST KEPT
GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.

00:13:38.833 --> 00:13:40.600
HE BECAME DESTRUCTIVE.


00:13:40.700 --> 00:13:42.566
HE, UH, WHEN WE GOT HERE,


00:13:42.666 --> 00:13:45.433
WE PUT OUR CHILDREN IN
A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL.

00:13:45.533 --> 00:13:47.099
AND AGAIN LIKE I SAID,


00:13:47.199 --> 00:13:52.099
BECAUSE MOST OF HIS BEHAVIOR
WAS AWAY FROM HOME,

00:13:52.199 --> 00:13:55.966
WE REALLY WERE NOT AS
AWARE OF HOW AGGRESSIVE

00:13:56.066 --> 00:13:57.033
IT WAS BECOMING.


00:13:57.133 --> 00:13:59.566
SO ONCE WE PUT HIM IN
A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL,

00:13:59.666 --> 00:14:01.433
THEY MADE US VERY AWARE.


00:14:01.533 --> 00:14:04.166
AND SO WE ENDED UP BEING


00:14:04.266 --> 00:14:05.800
CALLED IN A LOT FOR HIM.


00:14:05.900 --> 00:14:07.500
AND SO WE TOOK HIM.


00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.766
ACTUALLY, WE TALKED
TO OUR PASTOR

00:14:09.866 --> 00:14:14.366
WHERE, UH, THE CHURCH WE
WERE GOING TO AND WE SAID,

00:14:14.466 --> 00:14:16.066
YOU KNOW, WE TOLD
HIM ABOUT THE HOUSE

00:14:16.166 --> 00:14:18.566
WE'D LIVED IN AND SAID,


00:14:18.666 --> 00:14:21.566
YOU KNOW, WE THINK MAYBE
SOMETHING GOT A HOLD OF OUR SON

00:14:21.666 --> 00:14:23.199
WHILE WE WERE THERE.


00:14:23.299 --> 00:14:25.533
AND SO THEY SAID,
OKAY, BRING HIM IN.

00:14:25.633 --> 00:14:28.199
SO WE BROUGHT
HIM IN TO THEM.

00:14:28.299 --> 00:14:30.766
THEY TALKED WITH HIM
FOR ABOUT AN HOUR

00:14:30.866 --> 00:14:32.932
AND CALLED US AND SAID,


00:14:33.032 --> 00:14:34.633
WELL, YOU CAN
COME AND GET HIM.

00:14:34.733 --> 00:14:36.100
AND THEY TOLD US,
THEY SAID,

00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.332
WELL, WE DON'T THINK
HE HAS ANY SPIRITS,

00:14:38.432 --> 00:14:39.466
ANY DEMONS.


00:14:39.566 --> 00:14:43.033
WE JUST THINK Y'ALL NEED
TO DISCIPLINE HIM MORE.

00:14:43.133 --> 00:14:45.399
SO WE THOUGHT, OKAY,


00:14:45.499 --> 00:14:47.799
WE'VE PROBABLY REALLY
MESSED UP AS PARENTS.

00:14:47.899 --> 00:14:49.232
AND YOU KNOW BOTH OF US,


00:14:49.332 --> 00:14:51.799
NEITHER COMING OUT
OF CHRISTIAN HOMES,

00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:54.433
NEITHER REALLY BEING
RAISED WHERE YOU'RE EVEN

00:14:54.533 --> 00:14:56.766
TAUGHT HOW TO
RAISE YOUR KIDS.

00:14:56.866 --> 00:14:57.966
SO WE THOUGHT, OKAY,


00:14:58.066 --> 00:15:01.099
WE JUST NEED TO
DISCIPLINE HIM MORE.

00:15:01.199 --> 00:15:03.232
SO IN DOING THAT,


00:15:03.332 --> 00:15:05.266
WE BEGAN TO
DISCIPLINE HIM MORE.

00:15:05.366 --> 00:15:06.766
HE GOT MORE SPANKINGS.


00:15:06.866 --> 00:15:09.700
HE GOT MORE TALKING TO.


00:15:09.800 --> 00:15:13.933
WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT
DIFFERENT THINGS IN HIS LIFE

00:15:14.033 --> 00:15:14.900
WHERE YOU CAN'T DO THIS,


00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:16.333
YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW.


00:15:16.433 --> 00:15:18.733
NOTHING WORKED,
NOTHING WORKED.

00:15:18.833 --> 00:15:20.666
AND SO OUT OF THAT,


00:15:20.766 --> 00:15:23.166
AND I'VE -- YOU'VE MAYBE
HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE,

00:15:23.266 --> 00:15:27.432
BUT I REALIZED THAT YOU
CAN'T DISCIPLINE DEMONS.

00:15:27.532 --> 00:15:29.400
YOU DON'T TAKE
DEMONS TO THERAPY.

00:15:29.500 --> 00:15:31.366
YOU DON'T COUNSEL DEMONS.


00:15:31.466 --> 00:15:33.499
YOU DON'T MEDICATE DEMONS.


00:15:33.599 --> 00:15:34.300
YOU CAST THEM OUT.


00:15:34.400 --> 00:15:35.433
REBECCA: AMEN.


00:15:35.533 --> 00:15:38.166
BEV: AND THAT ACTUALLY IS
WHAT JESUS TOLD US TO DO.

00:15:38.266 --> 00:15:41.199
HE TOLD US FIRST THING,
THESE SIGNS WILL FOLLOW

00:15:41.299 --> 00:15:42.433
THEM THAT BELIEVE.


00:15:42.533 --> 00:15:44.366
IN MY NAME,
THEY'LL CAST OUT DEMONS.

00:15:44.466 --> 00:15:46.566
AND TODAY IN
THE CHURCH WORLD,

00:15:46.666 --> 00:15:49.066
IT'S PROBABLY THE
LAST THING WE DO.

00:15:49.166 --> 00:15:52.366
AND BECAUSE OF THAT,
PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE A MESS.

00:15:52.466 --> 00:15:53.400
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.


00:15:53.500 --> 00:15:54.699
BECAUSE I WORK WITH PEOPLE


00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.266
ALL THE TIME AND
THEY NEED HELP.

00:15:57.366 --> 00:16:00.699
THEY NEED HELP AND
THEY'RE DYSFUNCTIONAL

00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:02.900
AND THEIR FAMILIES
ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL.

00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.033
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT
COMES OUT OF THE GENERATIONS.

00:16:06.133 --> 00:16:08.999
BUT WE, THE CHURCH,
HAVE ANSWERS FOR

00:16:09.099 --> 00:16:12.400
THEM THAT WE'RE REALLY
NOT GIVING THEM.

00:16:12.500 --> 00:16:13.533
SO WE --


00:16:13.633 --> 00:16:15.466
REBECCA: DO YOU THINK THAT
LACK OF UNDERSTANDING

00:16:15.566 --> 00:16:16.766
HOW TO DO THAT IN
THE CHURCH

00:16:16.866 --> 00:16:18.833
IS PART OF THE REASON, WHY
EVEN WHEN YOU BROUGHT YOUR SON,

00:16:18.933 --> 00:16:20.166
THEY DIDN'T DISCERN THAT --


00:16:20.266 --> 00:16:21.066
BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH


00:16:21.166 --> 00:16:23.399
AN IGNORANCE, A LACK
OF AWARENESS?

00:16:23.499 --> 00:16:25.599
BEV: THE CHURCH IS KIND
OF IN DENIAL IN THAT.

00:16:25.699 --> 00:16:30.333
AND ALSO BECAUSE DELIVERANCE
HAS BEEN MISUSED.

00:16:30.433 --> 00:16:32.166
IT'S BEEN CRAZY.


00:16:32.266 --> 00:16:33.899
IT'S BEEN CHAOTIC.


00:16:33.999 --> 00:16:36.666
AND REALLY WE DON'T
HAVE TO DO

00:16:36.766 --> 00:16:38.733
DELIVERANCE IN THE,
YOU KNOW,

00:16:38.833 --> 00:16:40.532
I ALWAYS SAY IT
THIS WAY.

00:16:40.632 --> 00:16:44.300
WE DEAL WITH A DIFFERENT
DEVIL THAN JESUS DID.

00:16:44.400 --> 00:16:48.266
THE DEVIL THAT JESUS DEALT
WITH, STILL OPERATED

00:16:48.366 --> 00:16:49.700
WHEN JESUS WALKED ON
THIS EARTH.

00:16:49.800 --> 00:16:50.999
AND IT'S NOT SAYING


00:16:51.099 --> 00:16:53.499
JESUS DIDN'T HAVE ALL AUTHORITY
BECAUSE HE DEFINITELY DID.

00:16:53.599 --> 00:16:55.466
HE WAS GOD.


00:16:55.566 --> 00:16:58.100
ALTHOUGH HE OPERATED
AS A MAN ON THIS EARTH,

00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:03.066
BUT HE DEALT WITH A DEVIL
THAT STILL WAS WALKING IN

00:17:03.166 --> 00:17:06.399
THE AUTHORITY THAT HE HAD
USURPED FROM MANKIND.

00:17:06.499 --> 00:17:10.366
AND GOD HAD PUT AUTHORITY IN
THE HANDS OF ADAM AND EVE,

00:17:10.466 --> 00:17:12.666
IN THE HANDS OF MANKIND.


00:17:12.766 --> 00:17:15.632
GOD'S DECISION TO RULE
EARTH THROUGH MAN WAS SO

00:17:15.732 --> 00:17:19.333
FINAL AND SO ETERNAL THAT
THE DEVIL KNEW HE HAD TO

00:17:19.433 --> 00:17:21.066
GO THROUGH MAN TO GET IT,


00:17:21.166 --> 00:17:24.600
WHICH HE DID AND HE
EXCEEDED IT -- SUCCEEDED.

00:17:24.700 --> 00:17:28.166
BUT ALSO GOD'S DECISION TO
RULE EARTH THROUGH MANKIND

00:17:28.266 --> 00:17:31.499
WAS SO FINAL AND SO
ETERNAL THAT GOD HAD TO

00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:35.399
BECOME A MAN TO GET IT BACK,
WHICH HE DID, JESUS.

00:17:35.499 --> 00:17:37.266
BUT ANYWAY, GOING
BACK TO WHAT I SAID,

00:17:37.366 --> 00:17:42.199
UH, SO WE DEAL WITH A DIFFERENT
DEVIL THAN JESUS DID.

00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:44.599
SO JESUS DEALT
WITH A DEVIL

00:17:44.699 --> 00:17:48.266
THAT WAS STILL WALKING
AND HAD A HOLD OF THE

00:17:48.366 --> 00:17:51.266
AUTHORITY THAT HE HAD
STOLE FROM MANKIND,

00:17:51.366 --> 00:17:52.800
USURPED FROM MAN.


00:17:52.900 --> 00:17:57.032
WE DEAL WITH A DEVIL
THAT JESUS DISARMED

00:17:57.132 --> 00:18:00.166
WHEN HE WENT TO THE CROSS,
MADE A BOLD DISPLAY OF,

00:18:00.266 --> 00:18:02.099
TRIUMPHED OVER IN
THE CROSS,

00:18:02.199 --> 00:18:04.333
AND THAT'S
COLOSSIANS 2:15.

00:18:04.433 --> 00:18:08.166
AND ALSO HEBREWS 2:14,
BROUGHT TO NOTHING.

00:18:08.266 --> 00:18:09.666
THEN JESUS TURNED AROUND


00:18:09.766 --> 00:18:13.700
AND SAID ALL AUTHORITY HAS
BEEN GIVEN TO ME.

00:18:13.800 --> 00:18:16.166
GO YE THEREFORE, AND HE
PUT THAT AUTHORITY

00:18:16.266 --> 00:18:17.833
BACK IN THE CHURCH.


00:18:17.933 --> 00:18:20.299
WE TOOK OUR SON
TO THAT, PASTOR.

00:18:20.399 --> 00:18:23.633
THEY JUST SAID, YOU NEED TO
DISCIPLINE HIM, DIDN'T WORK.

00:18:23.733 --> 00:18:26.399
SO WE KIND OF SUFFERED
THROUGH LIFE

00:18:26.499 --> 00:18:29.899
THEN WITH DEALING WITH ALL
THE BEHAVIORAL ISSUES

00:18:29.999 --> 00:18:33.566
AND ALSO FEELING LIKE WE
WERE FAILURES AS PARENTS

00:18:33.666 --> 00:18:38.800
BECAUSE WE HAD THIS CHILD
THAT WAS SO, SO REBELLIOUS

00:18:38.900 --> 00:18:41.533
AND REALLY BASICALLY
THAT'S WHAT HE WAS.

00:18:41.633 --> 00:18:43.766
IT HAD AFFECTED OUR
OTHER TWO CHILDREN,

00:18:43.866 --> 00:18:45.466
BUT NOT TO THAT EXTREME.


00:18:45.566 --> 00:18:47.866
WE DID FIND OUT LATER,


00:18:47.966 --> 00:18:49.666
WHEN WE FINALLY GOT FREE,


00:18:49.766 --> 00:18:52.766
THAT IT HAD AFFECTED OUR
OTHER YOUNGER SON,

00:18:52.866 --> 00:18:54.699
A WHOLE LOT MORE, WHICH
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE

00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:55.599
OF ANOTHER TESTIMONY,


00:18:55.699 --> 00:18:57.433
AND I'LL SHARE THAT
IN A MINUTE.

00:18:57.533 --> 00:19:01.133
BUT, FINALLY, WE GOT HIM
OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL,

00:19:01.233 --> 00:19:03.233
WHICH WAS A MIRACLE.


00:19:03.333 --> 00:19:04.533
AND GOD HELPED US GET HIM


00:19:04.633 --> 00:19:10.166
THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL
AND HE WENT TO COLLEGE.

00:19:10.266 --> 00:19:13.300
HE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH
AND THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE

00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:14.366
HE USED TO DO.


00:19:14.466 --> 00:19:16.466
BUT WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING --
ALL THIS STUFF

00:19:16.566 --> 00:19:17.399
OUT TILL LATER.


00:19:17.499 --> 00:19:21.799
BUT HE WOULD BE SO
TORMENTED HIMSELF,

00:19:21.899 --> 00:19:25.399
UH, AS A YOUNG PERSON, BECAUSE
THE DEVIL TORMENTS PEOPLE.

00:19:25.499 --> 00:19:31.733
AND HE WOULD ALSO BE SO
ENTICED TO DABBLE IN

00:19:31.833 --> 00:19:33.766
THINGS THAT WERE OCCULT.


00:19:33.866 --> 00:19:35.966
AND MY HUSBAND
AND I AGAIN,

00:19:36.066 --> 00:19:38.400
WOULD PRAY FOR THEM.


00:19:38.500 --> 00:19:40.066
WE WOULD GO LAY
ON THEIR BEDS

00:19:40.166 --> 00:19:42.800
ONE, ONE DAY A WEEK OUT
OF EACH ALL THREE OF THEM

00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:46.933
AND PRAY IN THE SPIRIT FOR
ABOUT 30 MINUTES OR LONGER

00:19:47.033 --> 00:19:50.899
JUST PRAYING FOR GOD'S
PERFECT WILL FOR OUR KIDS.

00:19:50.999 --> 00:19:53.633
AND HE WOULD TELL ME, HE'D
SAY, MOM, I COULD ALWAYS

00:19:53.733 --> 00:19:56.299
TELL WHEN YOU AND DAD WOULD
COME IN AND PRAY IN

00:19:56.399 --> 00:19:59.199
MY ROOM BECAUSE THOSE
SPIRITS COULDN'T HARASS ME

00:19:59.299 --> 00:20:00.566
AT NIGHT LIKE THEY DID.


00:20:00.666 --> 00:20:01.699
AND, YOU KNOW, AS
A PARENT THAT

00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:02.800
BREAKS YOUR HEART.


00:20:02.900 --> 00:20:05.100
IT BREAKS YOUR HEART
AND THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW,

00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:06.366
I REALLY BELIEVE


00:20:06.466 --> 00:20:08.932
I HAVE SO MUCH COMPASSION
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE

00:20:09.032 --> 00:20:11.466
STRUGGLING WITH THEIR CHILDREN,
GOING THROUGH

00:20:11.566 --> 00:20:15.366
THINGS WITH THEIR FAMILIES,
BECAUSE A LOT OF

00:20:15.466 --> 00:20:18.233
IT IS JUST DEMONIC.


00:20:18.333 --> 00:20:21.466
BUT ANYWAY, SO HE
FINALLY GRADUATES

00:20:21.566 --> 00:20:25.833
HIGH SCHOOL AND WE HAVE
ALL SORTS OF REBELLION

00:20:25.933 --> 00:20:27.699
WE'VE DEALT WITH
THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.

00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.166
UH, HAD THEM IN A
DIFFERENT CHRISTIAN SCHOOL

00:20:30.266 --> 00:20:32.799
THAT REALLY THERE WAS ONE
TEACHER THAT WORKED SO

00:20:32.899 --> 00:20:34.866
HARD TO HELP HIM.


00:20:34.966 --> 00:20:35.766
AND SO I'M SO THANKFUL


00:20:35.866 --> 00:20:37.366
TO THE LORD FOR HER.


00:20:37.466 --> 00:20:38.799
UH, A LOT PEOPLE JUST PLAIN --


00:20:38.899 --> 00:20:40.033
THE OTHER TEACHERS


00:20:40.133 --> 00:20:42.999
JUST DIDN'T LIKE HIM, WHICH
PROBABLY WAS RIGHTFULLY SO

00:20:43.099 --> 00:20:46.400
BECAUSE HE REALLY
WAS REBELLIOUS.

00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:48.099
BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD PRAY,


00:20:48.199 --> 00:20:49.799
PRAY, PRAY FOR MY SON
ALL THE TIME.

00:20:49.899 --> 00:20:53.833
NOT EVEN KNOWING EXACTLY
HOW TO PRAY FOR HIM.

00:20:53.933 --> 00:20:56.300
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE HAD
TRIED TO CAST OUT DEMONS,

00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:57.866
DIDN'T WORK FOR US.


00:20:57.966 --> 00:21:02.066
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE
PRAYING AND I'D SAY, DEVIL,

00:21:02.166 --> 00:21:04.833
HE BELONGS TO ME AND
HE BELONGS TO GOD.

00:21:04.933 --> 00:21:06.599
AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING HIM.


00:21:06.699 --> 00:21:08.633
AND SO EVENTUALLY,


00:21:08.733 --> 00:21:10.666
AND I REALLY BELIEVE
SOMETIMES WHEN WE PRESS IN

00:21:10.766 --> 00:21:13.833
AND WE REFUSE TO
LET GO OF TRUTH,

00:21:13.933 --> 00:21:15.366
WHICH IS GOD'S WORD,


00:21:15.466 --> 00:21:16.599
YOU GOT GOD IN THERE


00:21:16.699 --> 00:21:19.633
FIGHTING FOR YOU, BUT, AND
I WANT TO SAY THAT, TOO, FOR

00:21:19.733 --> 00:21:22.166
PEOPLE THAT FEEL LIKE
THEY'RE LOSING IT,

00:21:22.266 --> 00:21:23.366
GOD IS ALWAYS IN THERE


00:21:23.466 --> 00:21:24.532
FIGHTING FOR YOU.


00:21:24.632 --> 00:21:28.566
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO PRESS
IN AND REFUSE TO BE DENIED

00:21:28.666 --> 00:21:31.299
WHAT THE WORD OF
GOD HAS FOR YOU.

00:21:31.399 --> 00:21:34.600
BUT ANYWAY, HE WENT
OFF TO COLLEGE.

00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:35.999
AFTER THE FIRST SEMESTER,


00:21:36.099 --> 00:21:39.066
HE DROPPED OUT OF COLLEGE,
WENT INTO THE MILITARY,

00:21:39.166 --> 00:21:41.799
AND WAS STATIONED IN FORT,


00:21:41.899 --> 00:21:43.499
FORT BENNING, GEORGIA.


00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:46.699
AND WE WERE REALLY UPSET
WITH HIM FOR DOING THAT.

00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:50.966
BUT THAT'S WHERE HIS LIFE
REALLY BEGAN TO SHIFT

00:21:51.066 --> 00:21:54.033
BECAUSE BEING AWAY
FROM OUR COVERING,

00:21:54.133 --> 00:21:57.866
HE STARTED HAVING TO
PAY FOR HIS BEHAVIORS.

00:21:57.966 --> 00:22:00.533
AND ONE DAY HE CALLED
ME AND HE SAID, MOM,

00:22:00.633 --> 00:22:02.133
I'VE GOT TO GET HELP.


00:22:02.233 --> 00:22:06.500
SO I THEN STARTED
LOOKING FOR A SOME KIND

00:22:06.600 --> 00:22:07.899
OF A DELIVERANCE MINISTER.


00:22:07.999 --> 00:22:10.399
SOMEBODY THAT WOULD KNOW
WHAT THEY WERE DOING,

00:22:10.499 --> 00:22:11.900
SO THEY COULD HELP US.


00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:13.399
AND SO I SAID, GOD,


00:22:13.499 --> 00:22:14.799
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?


00:22:14.899 --> 00:22:16.633
AND BECAUSE HERE HE
IS FINALLY

00:22:16.733 --> 00:22:20.500
WANTING HELP AND PRIOR TO
THAT HE HAD NOT WANTED HELP.

00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:23.199
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T
GET SOMEBODY FREE,

00:22:23.299 --> 00:22:25.333
IF THEY WANT TO
ENTERTAIN THEIR DEMONS,

00:22:25.433 --> 00:22:27.166
IF THEY LOVE THEIR SIN.


00:22:27.266 --> 00:22:30.066
YOU HAVE TO WANT TO GET
FREED TO GET FREE.

00:22:30.166 --> 00:22:32.366
SO HE FINALLY CALLS
AND THEN I'M LOOKING

00:22:32.466 --> 00:22:33.933
FOR A DELIVERANCE MINISTER.


00:22:34.033 --> 00:22:35.200
AND THE LORD SAID TO ME,


00:22:35.300 --> 00:22:37.833
BEV, GO IN AND
GET THE BOOK.

00:22:37.933 --> 00:22:39.366
AND AS SOON AS THE
LORD TOLD ME TO GO

00:22:39.466 --> 00:22:41.000
GET THIS BOOK,


00:22:41.100 --> 00:22:43.599
I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT
BOOK THE LORD MEANT.

00:22:43.699 --> 00:22:47.466
I HAD PURCHASED A BOOK
CALLED UNFORGIVENESS,

00:22:47.566 --> 00:22:49.999
CURSES AND DELIVERANCE.


00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:53.299
AND I HAD BROUGHT
THE BOOK HOME,

00:22:53.399 --> 00:22:54.733
DECIDED I DIDN'T NEED IT


00:22:54.833 --> 00:22:59.066
BECAUSE I REALLY
DIDN'T BELIEVE IN CURSES.

00:22:59.166 --> 00:23:02.233
AND SO I DO NOW, BUT
I DIDN'T.

00:23:02.333 --> 00:23:05.199
AND SO I HAD JUST STUCK
IT IN THE BOOKCASE.

00:23:05.299 --> 00:23:05.732
AND THE LORD SAID,


00:23:05.832 --> 00:23:06.900
GO GET THAT BOOK.


00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.066
SO I WENT AND I GOT
THE BOOK.

00:23:09.166 --> 00:23:10.932
AND ON THE BACK OF
THAT BOOK,

00:23:11.032 --> 00:23:12.766
THERE WAS A PICTURE OF
THE GUY WHO WROTE IT.

00:23:12.866 --> 00:23:14.500
HIS NAME WAS ROGER MILLER.


00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:16.666
AND HE SAID MY WIFE


00:23:16.766 --> 00:23:19.166
AND I DO DELIVERANCE
IN OUR HOME.

00:23:19.266 --> 00:23:20.933
SO IF YOU NEED HELP,


00:23:21.033 --> 00:23:23.466
UM, HE GAVE US HIS PHONE NUMBER,
YOU CAN CALL

00:23:23.566 --> 00:23:25.266
AND WE'LL HELP YOU.


00:23:25.366 --> 00:23:26.466
SO I CALLED HIM,


00:23:26.566 --> 00:23:27.133
AND HE SAID,


00:23:27.233 --> 00:23:29.332
YES, I CAN HELP YOUR SON.


00:23:29.432 --> 00:23:30.366
I SHARED WITH HIM


00:23:30.466 --> 00:23:32.699
OUR STORY ABOUT THIS
HOUSE, STUFF

00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:33.999
WE'D GONE THROUGH.


00:23:34.099 --> 00:23:35.000
AND HE SAID,


00:23:35.100 --> 00:23:36.866
YES, BEV, I CAN HELP HIM.


00:23:36.966 --> 00:23:40.333
BUT HE HAS TO CALL ME HIMSELF
BECAUSE HE'S AN ADULT

00:23:40.433 --> 00:23:42.633
AND HE HAS TO WANT HELP.


00:23:42.733 --> 00:23:44.266
SO I CALLED MY SON.


00:23:44.366 --> 00:23:45.366
I SAID THIS GUY SAID


00:23:45.466 --> 00:23:48.499
HE CAN HELP YOU SO, BUT
YOU HAVE TO CALL HIM.

00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.099
SO MY SON CALLED HIM,


00:23:50.199 --> 00:23:51.800
SET UP AN APPOINTMENT.


00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.466
AND SO THEN I
CALLED THE GUY BACK.

00:23:53.566 --> 00:23:55.766
AND I SAID, CAN ME AND
MY HUSBAND COME?

00:23:55.866 --> 00:23:58.433
BECAUSE I KNEW THAT IF --


00:23:58.533 --> 00:24:00.100
WE WERE -- WHAT OUR
INTENT WAS

00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:03.500
TO GO DOWN TO -- THIS GUY
WAS OUT A TENNESSEE.

00:24:03.600 --> 00:24:06.932
SO MY INTENT WAS
TO GO TO GEORGIA,

00:24:07.032 --> 00:24:09.600
PICK UP OUR SON, AND GET
HIM TO THIS GUY'S HOUSE.

00:24:09.700 --> 00:24:11.799
BECAUSE I KNEW FROM
ALL THE WARFARE,

00:24:11.899 --> 00:24:14.666
WE'D GONE THROUGH
IN HIGH SCHOOL,

00:24:14.766 --> 00:24:15.833
THOSE DEMONS WOULD
NEVER LET HIM GET

00:24:15.933 --> 00:24:18.466
TO THIS DELIVERANCE
MINISTER.

00:24:18.566 --> 00:24:20.899
SO WE WENT AND HE SAID,


00:24:20.999 --> 00:24:21.766
YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.


00:24:21.866 --> 00:24:23.166
GO AHEAD AND COME.


00:24:23.266 --> 00:24:25.266
SO WE WENT, PICKED
UP OUR SON,

00:24:25.366 --> 00:24:27.332
TOOK HIM BACK UP
TO TENNESSEE

00:24:27.432 --> 00:24:30.599
AND WENT TO THIS
GUY'S HOUSE.

00:24:30.699 --> 00:24:32.633
AND I REMEMBER KNOCKING
ON THE DOOR THINKING,

00:24:32.733 --> 00:24:34.633
GOD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
I'M GOING TO SAY

00:24:34.733 --> 00:24:35.699
WHEN HE OPENS


00:24:35.833 --> 00:24:39.066
THE DOOR LIKE, UH, WE'RE
THE ONES WITH THE DEMONS,

00:24:39.166 --> 00:24:40.466
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I FELT.


00:24:40.566 --> 00:24:41.099
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:24:41.199 --> 00:24:42.199
BEV: AND I ALSO FELT,


00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:45.266
YEAH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T
KNOW MOST PEOPLE NEED

00:24:45.366 --> 00:24:47.500
DELIVERANCE, BUT ANYWAY.


00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:49.733
SO HE HAD US COME IN


00:24:49.833 --> 00:24:53.366
AND THAT DAY HE WALKED OUR
SON THROUGH DELIVERANCE.

00:24:53.466 --> 00:24:55.533
IT RADICALLY
CHANGED HIS LIFE,

00:24:55.633 --> 00:24:58.932
RADICALLY TURNED THINGS
AROUND FOR HIM.

00:24:59.032 --> 00:25:00.666
SO THEN WE SAID
TO THE GUY,

00:25:00.766 --> 00:25:03.232
WHAT, WHAT SHOULD WE
DO NOW?

00:25:03.332 --> 00:25:04.266
AND HE SAID,


00:25:04.366 --> 00:25:06.366
WELL, THE REST OF YOUR
FAMILY, YOU AND YOUR

00:25:06.466 --> 00:25:09.966
CHILDREN, NEED TO COME AND
GO THROUGH DELIVERANCE ALSO,

00:25:10.066 --> 00:25:12.166
BECAUSE YOU ALL
LIVED IN THAT HOUSE.

00:25:12.266 --> 00:25:14.266
SO FROM THAT POINT ON,


00:25:14.366 --> 00:25:15.599
WE ENDED UP GOING BACK


00:25:15.699 --> 00:25:19.166
AND GETTING OUR OTHER CHILDREN
THROUGH DELIVERANCE ALSO.

00:25:19.266 --> 00:25:24.366
BUT THAT DAY HE GAVE US HIS
MANUAL, THAT BOOK AGAIN,

00:25:24.466 --> 00:25:27.400
AND HIS TAPES AND SENT
THEM HOME WITH US.

00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:30.866
AND WE WENT HOME, STUCK
THEM UP IN THE CUPBOARD,

00:25:30.966 --> 00:25:35.299
IN THE CLOSET AND WE JUST
FIGURED THAT WAS IT.

00:25:35.399 --> 00:25:36.499
YOU KNOW,
WE WERE FREE.

00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.133
HALLELUJAH, YOU KNOW, JUST
GOING TO GO ON WITH LIFE.

00:25:40.233 --> 00:25:45.366
AND PROBABLY A WEEK AFTER, WEEK
AND A HALF, MAYBE TWO WEEKS,

00:25:45.466 --> 00:25:47.833
THIS GUY CALLS ME
AND HE SAID,

00:25:47.933 --> 00:25:50.333
GOD TOLD ME TO CALL YOU,


00:25:50.433 --> 00:25:52.199
YOU COULD HELP
US OR HELP ME.

00:25:52.299 --> 00:25:53.966
AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
WHO THE GUY WAS.

00:25:54.066 --> 00:25:57.032
HE WAS FROM THE ASSEMBLY OF
GOD HERE IN TOWN.

00:25:57.132 --> 00:25:58.366
AND I SAID, OKAY.


00:25:58.466 --> 00:26:01.866
I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, MY
FIRST THOUGHT WAS WHEN HE SAID

00:26:01.966 --> 00:26:03.666
GOD SAID YOU
COULD HELP ME,

00:26:03.766 --> 00:26:06.166
MY FIRST THOUGHT
WAS HE DID?

00:26:06.266 --> 00:26:07.366
AND SO I SAID, OKAY,


00:26:07.466 --> 00:26:09.033
WELL, COME OVER
BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS HAD

00:26:09.133 --> 00:26:10.932
A HEART TO HELP PEOPLE.


00:26:11.032 --> 00:26:15.066
BUT ANYWAY, AND WE DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING.

00:26:15.166 --> 00:26:17.266
BUT WE GOT THIS
GUY'S MANUAL OUT,

00:26:17.366 --> 00:26:22.199
AND WE ENDEAVORED TO GO PAGE
BY PAGE WHICH I'VE REWRITTEN,

00:26:22.299 --> 00:26:25.866
I'VE WRITTEN MY MANUAL
TO GO THE STEPS,

00:26:25.966 --> 00:26:28.199
SO IT MAKES IT EASY.


00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:29.266
WHEN I WROTE MY MANUAL,


00:26:29.366 --> 00:26:31.999
I FELT THE LORD SAID,
MAKE IT USER-FRIENDLY,

00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:33.933
SO PEOPLE CAN FIGURE OUT
HOW TO DO IT.

00:26:34.033 --> 00:26:38.600
SO, BUT WE SPENT LITERALLY
SIX HOURS WITH THAT GUY.

00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:40.566
WE DON'T NORMALLY TAKE
THAT LONG ANYMORE,

00:26:40.666 --> 00:26:41.832
BUT WE DID.


00:26:41.932 --> 00:26:43.332
LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING.

00:26:43.432 --> 00:26:48.232
BUT IN THAT, THE MAN GOT
SET FREE FROM COCAINE,

00:26:48.332 --> 00:26:51.166
HIS HEART WAS HEALED BECAUSE
HE HAD LIKE A COCAINE HEART,

00:26:51.266 --> 00:26:55.133
WHICH IS TYPICAL
WHEN YOU DEAL WITH SOMEONE

00:26:55.233 --> 00:26:56.333
WHO'S BEEN ON DRUGS.


00:26:56.433 --> 00:26:57.799
ESPECIALLY COCAINE,


00:26:57.899 --> 00:26:59.232
IT AFFECTS THE HEART.


00:26:59.332 --> 00:27:00.799
SO WE'VE LEARNED
YOU CAN CALL

00:27:00.899 --> 00:27:05.499
A SPIRIT OF INFIRMITY OUT,
AND PROBABLY ALMOST EVERYBODY

00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.566
WE'VE PRAYED FOR WITH
COCAINE ISSUES AND,

00:27:09.666 --> 00:27:12.566
UH, HEART ISSUES,
THEY'VE BEEN HEALED.

00:27:12.666 --> 00:27:14.166
DELIVERANCE WILL BRING
HEALING.

00:27:14.266 --> 00:27:15.266
IT'S AMAZING.


00:27:15.366 --> 00:27:16.266
FROM THAT POINT,


00:27:16.366 --> 00:27:18.033
WHEN THAT GUY CAME
OVER TO OUR HOUSE,

00:27:18.133 --> 00:27:20.732
HE GOT DELIVERED LIKE I
SAID OF THE COCAINE,

00:27:20.832 --> 00:27:23.099
LUST, WITCHCRAFT.


00:27:23.199 --> 00:27:25.133
HE HAD WITCHCRAFT IN
THE BACKGROUND,

00:27:25.233 --> 00:27:28.366
AND HE GOT SO
RADICALLY FREE

00:27:28.466 --> 00:27:31.999
THAT HE STARTED SENDING
DRUG ADDICTS TO US.

00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:33.933
SO PEOPLE WHO WERE
BORN AGAIN,

00:27:34.033 --> 00:27:36.666
I DON'T PRAY FOR PEOPLE ACTUALLY
THAT ARE NOT BORN AGAIN.

00:27:36.766 --> 00:27:38.466
AND I'LL TELL YOU
WHY IN A MOMENT.

00:27:38.566 --> 00:27:42.966
UH, BUT HE STARTED SENDING
ALL THESE PEOPLE TO US

00:27:43.066 --> 00:27:45.900
WHO WERE STRUGGLING
WITH ADDICTION,

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.200
BUT YET HAD BECOME
BELIEVERS.

00:27:48.300 --> 00:27:49.433
AND SO THEY BEGAN --


00:27:49.533 --> 00:27:51.933
SO THEY STARTED COMING
TO US AND THAT'S

00:27:52.033 --> 00:27:54.666
KIND OF HOW OUR
MINISTRY GOT STARTED.

00:27:54.766 --> 00:27:56.599
ANYWAY THE REASON,
LET ME GO BACK WHY

00:27:56.699 --> 00:27:58.232
I DON'T PRAY FOR PEOPLE
THAT ARE NOT BELIEVERS.

00:27:58.299 --> 00:28:01.633
AND THE REASON I DON'T IS
BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO PROTECTION.

00:28:01.733 --> 00:28:05.933
AND IF YOU GO
TO MATTHEW 15,

00:28:06.033 --> 00:28:10.299
WHEN THE WOMAN WITH THE LITTLE
GIRL THAT WAS DEMON-POSSESSED,

00:28:10.399 --> 00:28:11.466
AND BY THE WAY, LET
ME SAY THIS, TOO.

00:28:11.566 --> 00:28:13.032
I DON'T BELIEVE
A CHRISTIAN

00:28:13.132 --> 00:28:14.366
CAN BE POSSESSED.


00:28:14.466 --> 00:28:16.099
WE CAN BE ACCESSED.


00:28:16.199 --> 00:28:18.700
POSSESSION IS OWNERSHIP.


00:28:18.800 --> 00:28:20.233
WE DON'T BELONG TO
THE DEVIL.

00:28:20.333 --> 00:28:22.200
WE BELONG TO JESUS, OKAY.


00:28:22.300 --> 00:28:25.233
SO A CHRISTIAN
CANNOT BE POSSESSED,

00:28:25.333 --> 00:28:27.899
BUT WE CAN BE ACCESSED.


00:28:27.999 --> 00:28:28.833
THINGS WHERE WE OPENED


00:28:28.933 --> 00:28:31.466
DOORS UP IN OUR OWN LIFE.


00:28:31.566 --> 00:28:33.833
VULNERABILITIES, TRAUMAS,


00:28:33.933 --> 00:28:35.766
UH, GENERATIONAL THINGS.


00:28:35.866 --> 00:28:37.800
SO I ALWAYS KIND OF TELL


00:28:37.900 --> 00:28:40.166
PEOPLE WHEN THEY
COME TO US, TOO.

00:28:40.266 --> 00:28:41.932
WE'RE NOT GOING
TO JUDGE YOU.

00:28:42.032 --> 00:28:42.766
I'M NOT GOD.


00:28:42.866 --> 00:28:43.833
I'M NOT THE JUDGE.


00:28:43.933 --> 00:28:45.133
YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE --


00:28:45.233 --> 00:28:46.432
BECAUSE PEOPLE WHEN
THEY COME,

00:28:46.532 --> 00:28:47.733
THEY'RE SO BROKEN.


00:28:47.833 --> 00:28:49.099
THEY'RE SO WOUNDED,


00:28:49.199 --> 00:28:52.199
THEY'RE SO HURT AND THEY
FEEL SO MUCH SHAME.

00:28:52.299 --> 00:28:53.700
THEY'VE CARRIED GUILT.


00:28:53.800 --> 00:28:56.666
THEY FEEL INSECURE.


00:28:56.766 --> 00:28:57.866
SO WHEN THEY COME TO US,


00:28:57.966 --> 00:28:59.566
WE, WE TELL THEM,
YOU KNOW,

00:28:59.666 --> 00:29:01.433
YOU'RE NOT GOING
TO BE JUDGED.

00:29:01.533 --> 00:29:02.599
AND WE ALSO TELL THEM,


00:29:02.699 --> 00:29:05.500
YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SHARE
WITH US, STAYS CONFIDENTIAL.

00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:08.566
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PASTORS
THAT HAVE DEALT WITH

00:29:08.666 --> 00:29:12.366
HOMOSEXUALITY WHERE THEY
WERE VIOLATED AS CHILDREN,

00:29:12.466 --> 00:29:14.600
AND THEY WANT TO
BE FREE.

00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:17.100
AND YET SO THAT'S NOT
THINGS YOU EXPOSE.

00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.500
THOSE ARE THINGS


00:29:18.600 --> 00:29:20.800
YOU HELP THEM WITH AND
WE'VE SEEN RADICAL

00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:22.933
DELIVERANCE WITH
HOMOSEXUALITY.

00:29:23.033 --> 00:29:28.166
BUT ANYWAY, SO GOING BACK TO
MATTHEW 15, JESUS,

00:29:28.266 --> 00:29:31.866
WHEN THE WOMAN CAME TO JESUS
WITH THE LITTLE GIRL

00:29:31.966 --> 00:29:36.899
AND SHE -- HE SAID TO HER
THAT HEALING AND HE MADE

00:29:36.999 --> 00:29:40.799
A REFERENCE TO IT AS HEALING
IS THE CHILDREN'S BREAD.

00:29:40.899 --> 00:29:42.600
BUT IT WAS A
DELIVERANCE ISSUE

00:29:42.700 --> 00:29:44.366
IT WASN'T LIKE
WHAT WE THINK, OKAY.

00:29:44.466 --> 00:29:45.366
I'M GOING TO LAY
HANDS ON YOU,

00:29:45.466 --> 00:29:46.833
AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE
PHYSICALLY HEALED.

00:29:46.933 --> 00:29:49.499
ALTHOUGH DELIVERANCE
BRINGS PHYSICAL HEALING,

00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.566
HE MADE REFERENCE OR LIKENED
DELIVERANCE TO HEALING

00:29:53.666 --> 00:29:56.033
AND TRULY DELIVERANCE
IS HEALING.

00:29:56.133 --> 00:29:57.832
IT'LL HEAL THE SOUL.


00:29:57.932 --> 00:29:59.999
IT'LL HEAL YOUR
PHYSICAL BODY.

00:30:00.099 --> 00:30:02.066
IT'LL HEAL THE SPIRIT MAN EVEN.


00:30:02.166 --> 00:30:07.000
OKAY, AND SO HE
SAID TO HER,

00:30:07.100 --> 00:30:09.532
HEALING IS THE
CHILDREN'S BREAD SHE --

00:30:09.632 --> 00:30:11.800
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO
SAY, SHE WORSHIPPED HIM.

00:30:11.900 --> 00:30:16.399
SO IT'S REALLY TELLING US
SHE POSITIONED HERSELF AS --

00:30:16.499 --> 00:30:17.566
AND CAME AND
WORSHIPED HIM.

00:30:17.666 --> 00:30:21.533
SO REALLY SHE CAME INTO
LIKE SONSHIP WITH HIM.

00:30:21.633 --> 00:30:24.299
BUT IN THAT, ONE
OF THE REASONS

00:30:24.399 --> 00:30:26.766
I DON'T PRAY FOR
DELIVERANCE FOR AN

00:30:26.866 --> 00:30:31.033
UNBELIEVER IS BECAUSE THEY
DO NOT HAVE PROTECTION.

00:30:31.133 --> 00:30:33.766
WE HAVE PROTECTION BY
THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

00:30:33.866 --> 00:30:38.933
ONCE YOU GET FREE, THOSE DEMONS
CANNOT JUST COME BACK IN.

00:30:39.033 --> 00:30:42.166
DEMONS CAN ONLY
ACCESS YOUR LIFE IF

00:30:42.266 --> 00:30:45.800
THERE'S SOME KIND OF A
LEGAL RIGHT THROUGH A DOOR

00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:46.932
THAT'S BEEN OPENED.


00:30:47.032 --> 00:30:49.099
SO THEY JUST CAN'T
COME AND TAKE PLACE.

00:30:49.199 --> 00:30:50.266
LIKE FOR ME,


00:30:50.366 --> 00:30:52.499
I'M SORRY, BUT NO,
I'M NOT OPENING DOORS.

00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.366
SO NO, I DON'T EVEN EVER WORRY
ABOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF.

00:30:56.466 --> 00:31:01.399
BUT IN MATTHEW 12 WHERE
IT SAID A SPIRIT IS

00:31:01.499 --> 00:31:06.266
CAST OUT, GOES INTO DRY PLACES,
LOOKING FOR REST,

00:31:06.366 --> 00:31:08.233
COMES BACK TO ITS HOUSE.


00:31:08.333 --> 00:31:10.699
THAT'S EMPTY, SWEPT AND
CLEAN, AND COMES BACK IN

00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:14.166
WITH MORE -- WITH SEVEN
MORE WICKED SPIRITS.

00:31:14.266 --> 00:31:17.033
SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE
THAT FOR A SCRIPTURE TO

00:31:17.133 --> 00:31:18.433
DON'T GET DELIVERED
OR YOU'RE GOING

00:31:18.533 --> 00:31:20.266
TO GET SEVEN MORE WICKED.


00:31:20.366 --> 00:31:24.500
THAT SCRIPTURE IS NOT TALKING
ABOUT A BELIEVER.

00:31:24.600 --> 00:31:26.966
IT SAYS IT COMES
BACK TO ITS HOUSE

00:31:27.066 --> 00:31:29.966
THAT'S EMPTY,
SWEPT, AND CLEANED.

00:31:30.066 --> 00:31:31.633
WE ARE NOT EMPTY.


00:31:31.733 --> 00:31:33.033
GOD IS IN THE HOUSE.


00:31:33.133 --> 00:31:34.533
JESUS IS IN THE HOUSE.


00:31:34.633 --> 00:31:37.366
HOLY SPIRIT IS
IN THIS HOUSE, OKAY.

00:31:37.466 --> 00:31:41.866
SO YOU'D HAVE TO LITERALLY
GO BACK INTO HORRIFIC SIN,

00:31:41.966 --> 00:31:43.066
EVEN IF YOU MESS UP.


00:31:43.166 --> 00:31:45.199
THE BIBLE SAYS IF
WE CONFESS OUR SINS,

00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:48.233
HE IS FAITHFUL AND
JUST TO FORGIVE US.

00:31:48.333 --> 00:31:49.933
SO WHEN WE MESS UP,


00:31:50.033 --> 00:31:51.299
WE HAVE FORGIVENESS.


00:31:51.399 --> 00:31:54.566
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GO
BACK OUT AND PRACTICE SIN.

00:31:54.666 --> 00:31:57.499
SO I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT?

00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.066
REBECCA: YEAH, THERE'S
A FEW THINGS.

00:31:59.166 --> 00:32:00.799
ONE IS THAT I LOVE


00:32:00.899 --> 00:32:04.099
THAT YOUR STORY, YOUR
TESTIMONY WITH YOUR FAMILY

00:32:04.199 --> 00:32:07.066
WOULD BE THE VERY THING THAT
THE ENEMY MEANT TO HARM YOU,

00:32:07.166 --> 00:32:09.732
GOD WOULD USE TO BRING
DELIVERANCE AND ALSO SET

00:32:09.832 --> 00:32:10.966
FIRE TO A MINISTRY


00:32:11.066 --> 00:32:12.400
THAT'S BRINGING
DELIVERANCE TO PEOPLE ALL

00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:13.433
OVER THE WORLD.


00:32:13.533 --> 00:32:14.666
AND I LOVE THAT


00:32:14.766 --> 00:32:17.166
GOD IS REDEMPTIVE LIKE THAT
AND RESTORATIVE LIKE THAT.

00:32:17.266 --> 00:32:20.399
AND ALSO, UM, THE OTHER
THING THAT I LOVE AND WHY I

00:32:20.499 --> 00:32:22.400
WANTED TO HAVE YOU ON IS
BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE

00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:23.633
TALKING ABOUT THIS.


00:32:23.733 --> 00:32:26.932
BUT YOU DON'T, YOU'RE -- YOU'RE
GROUNDED IN THE WORD.

00:32:27.032 --> 00:32:30.766
IT'S NOT WEIRD AND IT'S
THERE'S NO FEAR BECAUSE SO

00:32:30.866 --> 00:32:32.732
MANY TIMES WHEN PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT DELIVERANCE,

00:32:32.832 --> 00:32:35.833
AND DEMONS AND STUFF
LIKE THAT EVEN ME,

00:32:35.933 --> 00:32:37.466
IT CAN BE KIND OF SCARY.


00:32:37.566 --> 00:32:38.666
AND WHAT I LOVE THAT YOU


00:32:38.766 --> 00:32:40.833
TALK ABOUT IS THE
SIMPLICITY OF IT,

00:32:40.933 --> 00:32:43.233
HOW GOD HAS GIVEN US
THE AUTHORITY,

00:32:43.333 --> 00:32:44.566
AND HOW EVEN IF LIKE
WE SIN,

00:32:44.666 --> 00:32:46.733
WE CAN JUST REPENT AND
TURN BACK TO HIM.

00:32:46.833 --> 00:32:50.533
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS
OVERLY COMPLICATED THING

00:32:50.633 --> 00:32:51.633
AND I LOVE THAT.


00:32:51.733 --> 00:32:56.766
AND, UM, I WANTED YOU TO
TALK ABOUT THE -- WELL,

00:32:56.866 --> 00:32:58.133
THERE'S LIKE
SO MANY DIRECTIONS

00:32:58.233 --> 00:32:58.999
I WANT TO TAKE THIS.


00:32:59.099 --> 00:32:59.633
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT


00:32:59.733 --> 00:33:00.966
WHAT'S THE BEST WAY.


00:33:01.066 --> 00:33:02.633
BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
THE LEGAL RIGHTS.

00:33:02.733 --> 00:33:04.366
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU
SAID IN ANOTHER INTERVIEW

00:33:04.466 --> 00:33:08.699
WAS YOU SAID THE DEVIL
WANTS GOD TO LOOK LEGALISTIC,

00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:10.133
BUT HE'S ACTUALLY THE ONE
THAT'S LEGALISTIC.

00:33:10.233 --> 00:33:11.166
BEV: YES.


00:33:11.266 --> 00:33:12.733
REBECCA: AND THERE ACTUALLY
IS A COURT IN

00:33:12.833 --> 00:33:15.733
HEAVEN AND HE IS THE
ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN.

00:33:15.833 --> 00:33:16.933
UM, SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT


00:33:17.033 --> 00:33:19.333
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO
CANCEL LEGAL RIGHTS

00:33:19.433 --> 00:33:21.866
AND HOW THE DEVIL TRIES
TO USE THAT ON US?

00:33:21.966 --> 00:33:24.600
BEV: SIMPLY GOING TO
THE FACT OF --

00:33:24.700 --> 00:33:25.733
THE FACT THAT IF


00:33:25.833 --> 00:33:27.866
YOU BREAK THE LEGAL
RIGHTS OF THE ENEMY,

00:33:27.966 --> 00:33:29.500
GOD IS NOT A LEGALIST,


00:33:29.600 --> 00:33:31.133
HE'S A GOD OF MERCY.


00:33:31.233 --> 00:33:32.333
THE DEVIL IS A LEGALIST


00:33:32.433 --> 00:33:35.333
MEANING THIS, THAT HE
WILL HOLD YOU TO ANYTHING

00:33:35.433 --> 00:33:36.799
HE CAN, OKAY.


00:33:36.899 --> 00:33:38.133
AND HE IS THE ACCUSER.


00:33:38.233 --> 00:33:40.732
SO HOW DO YOU BREAK
A LEGAL RIGHT?

00:33:40.832 --> 00:33:41.699
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:43.466
LET ME JUST KIND
OF GRAB MY MANUAL HERE,

00:33:43.566 --> 00:33:46.233
BECAUSE I LIKE TO QUOTE THIS.


00:33:46.333 --> 00:33:47.799
BUT, UH, AGAIN,


00:33:47.899 --> 00:33:51.132
GOD IS NOT THE LEGALIST
THE ENEMY IS.

00:33:51.232 --> 00:33:53.366
AND SO A LEGAL --


00:33:53.466 --> 00:33:54.533
LET ME -- A LEGAL RIGHT


00:33:54.633 --> 00:33:58.399
IS THE PERMISSION OR CONSENT
THAT AN EVIL SPIRIT

00:33:58.499 --> 00:34:01.832
HAS GAINED IN A PERSON'S
LIFE THROUGH THE PERSON'S

00:34:01.932 --> 00:34:06.066
SIN, GENERATIONAL SIN, OR
INIQUITY THROUGH TRAUMATIC

00:34:06.166 --> 00:34:10.133
EVENTS, THROUGH OCCULT
ACTIVITY, VOWS, OATHS,

00:34:10.233 --> 00:34:13.033
WRONG BELIEF SYSTEM, CURSES.


00:34:13.133 --> 00:34:17.166
AND THESE HAVE TO BE
RENOUNCED AND REPENTED OF.

00:34:17.266 --> 00:34:19.166
AND SO IT'S SO SIMPLE.


00:34:19.266 --> 00:34:22.999
WHEN WE TAKE PEOPLE
THROUGH DELIVERANCE,

00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:25.800
UH, I USUALLY GET
THEIR HISTORY.

00:34:25.900 --> 00:34:28.733
WHAT I DO IS,
UM, AND I -- AGAIN,

00:34:28.833 --> 00:34:31.933
THAT'S IN THE MANUAL WHERE
YOU CAN LOOK FOR OPEN DOORS,

00:34:32.033 --> 00:34:34.399
LIKE WHAT OPENED THE
DOOR UP TO YOU BECAUSE

00:34:34.499 --> 00:34:37.433
THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GO
IN AND I -- WE'RE GOING TO

00:34:37.533 --> 00:34:39.099
CANCEL THE LEGAL RIGHTS.


00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.933
SO IT COULD BE LIKE I'VE
HAD PEOPLE COME TO ME

00:34:42.033 --> 00:34:45.500
WHO HAVE SAID I HAVE
HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES.

00:34:45.600 --> 00:34:47.700
I'VE NEVER DONE IT.


00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.199
I NEVER WAS VIOLATED, BUT
I FEEL LIKE EVER SINCE

00:34:51.299 --> 00:34:54.000
I'VE BEEN LITTLE,
THIS HAS BEEN THERE.

00:34:54.100 --> 00:34:56.166
OKAY, SO WHAT WOULD
THAT TELL ME?

00:34:56.266 --> 00:34:57.999
IT'S IN THE GENERATIONS.


00:34:58.099 --> 00:34:59.500
BECAUSE THINGS GO FROM


00:34:59.600 --> 00:35:01.966
GENERATION TO GENERATION.


00:35:02.066 --> 00:35:04.500
AND I -- LET ME LET ME SAY
THIS, TOO, BECAUSE JUST

00:35:04.600 --> 00:35:07.966
BECAUSE A PERSON HAS
BEEN ACCESSED

00:35:08.066 --> 00:35:10.166
THROUGH SOME
VULNERABILITY,

00:35:10.266 --> 00:35:13.799
UH, THROUGH SOME TRAUMA,
THROUGH SOME GENERATIONAL,

00:35:13.899 --> 00:35:15.500
NEVER MEANS YOU'RE BAD.


00:35:15.600 --> 00:35:16.099
PEOPLE THINK, WELL,


00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:16.800
IF I GOT A DEMON,


00:35:16.900 --> 00:35:18.166
I'M THIS BAD PERSON.


00:35:18.266 --> 00:35:19.600
NO, YOU'RE NOT.


00:35:19.700 --> 00:35:22.500
YOU'RE SIMPLY A
PERSON THAT HAS

00:35:22.600 --> 00:35:25.833
BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF
UNBEKNOWN TO YOU THROUGH

00:35:25.933 --> 00:35:28.300
MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR A
LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:32.200
SO HE HAS WAYS,
ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN.

00:35:32.300 --> 00:35:34.500
CHILDREN ARE THE
MOST VULNERABLE.

00:35:34.600 --> 00:35:36.166
AND SO WHEN THEY'RE VUL --


00:35:36.266 --> 00:35:37.033
WHEN THEY'RE LITTLE,


00:35:37.133 --> 00:35:38.000
HE'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE.


00:35:38.100 --> 00:35:39.832
AND TODAY WE SEE


00:35:39.932 --> 00:35:43.366
SO MUCH OF THAT GOING ON
WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

00:35:43.466 --> 00:35:45.699
AND I DO WANT TO SHARE A
STORY OF A YOUNG PERSON, BUT --

00:35:45.799 --> 00:35:46.566
REBECCA: THAT WAS
MY NEXT THING,

00:35:46.666 --> 00:35:48.199
I WANT YOU TO TALK
ABOUT CHILDREN

00:35:48.299 --> 00:35:51.233
AND ADVISE THE PARENTS, TOO.


00:35:51.333 --> 00:35:52.333
BEV: OH, YES.


00:35:52.433 --> 00:35:52.833
REBECCA: OF HOW WE CAN
PROTECT THEM AND STUFF.

00:35:52.933 --> 00:35:54.099
BEV: OKAY.


00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.266
SO, BUT GOING BACK TO THE QUICK
THING ON THE LEGAL RIGHT.

00:35:57.366 --> 00:36:00.633
SO IF WE REPENT
AND RENOUNCE

00:36:00.733 --> 00:36:02.699
THE WORKS OF DARKNESS, OKAY,


00:36:02.799 --> 00:36:05.099
WHICH THE BIBLE TELLS
US TO RENOUNCE WORKS OF

00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:09.033
DARKNESS AND REPENTANCE,
THEN LITERALLY YOU'VE

00:36:09.133 --> 00:36:10.199
BROKE HIS LEGAL RIGHT.


00:36:10.299 --> 00:36:13.033
WHATEVER RIGHT GAVE HIM
BECAUSE THE BLOOD OF JESUS

00:36:13.133 --> 00:36:15.566
CANCELS ANY RIGHT
HE'S GOTTEN.

00:36:15.666 --> 00:36:16.633
SO THAT'S AGAIN,


00:36:16.733 --> 00:36:19.766
AS A BELIEVER WE CAN
CANCEL THOSE RIGHTS

00:36:19.866 --> 00:36:24.466
THROUGH REPENTANCE AND
THEN RENOUNCING AND JUST

00:36:24.566 --> 00:36:26.499
THEN THE PERSON THAT'S
PRAYING WITH YOU CAN

00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.799
SIMPLY CALL THAT SPIRIT
OUT AND IT GOES AND IT

00:36:29.899 --> 00:36:32.766
DOESN'T HAVE
TO BE VIOLENT.

00:36:32.866 --> 00:36:35.299
UH, I'M NOT AGAINST
MANIFESTATION AND THERE

00:36:35.399 --> 00:36:38.366
WILL BE SOMETIMES
SOME MANIFESTATION.

00:36:38.466 --> 00:36:42.066
UH, BUT YOU CAN GET,
IN FACT, WHAT I DO,

00:36:42.166 --> 00:36:45.200
IF THE MANIFESTATION
GETS TOO STRONG,

00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:46.899
IF I'M DEALING
WITH SOMEONE,

00:36:46.999 --> 00:36:48.366
I'LL SHUT IT DOWN.


00:36:48.466 --> 00:36:51.066
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO
REMEMBER WE'RE IN CHARGE,

00:36:51.166 --> 00:36:52.300
NOT THE DEVIL.


00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:53.732
WE'RE THE ONES IN CHARGE.


00:36:53.832 --> 00:36:57.566
OKAY, WE'RE REPRESENTING
CHRIST AND ALL AUTHORITY

00:36:57.666 --> 00:36:59.599
HE TOOK IT BACK AND HE
PUT IT IN THE CHURCH.

00:36:59.699 --> 00:37:01.433
SO THAT'S WHERE IT SITS.


00:37:01.533 --> 00:37:04.500
SO AND NOT ONLY DO WE
HAVE AUTHORITY,

00:37:04.600 --> 00:37:05.733
THIS IS A GOOD THING, TOO.


00:37:05.833 --> 00:37:08.699
THE BIBLE SAYS IN
EPHESIANS 2:6,

00:37:08.799 --> 00:37:11.966
WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN JOINT
SEATING WITH CHRIST IN

00:37:12.066 --> 00:37:16.433
HEAVENLY PLACES, THAT MEANS
HERE'S GOD, HERE'S JESUS,

00:37:16.533 --> 00:37:18.500
AND HERE'S US RIGHT
HERE WITH JESUS.

00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:20.333
HE GAVE US JOINT SEATING.


00:37:20.433 --> 00:37:23.733
THAT WORD JOINT
MEANS EQUALITY.

00:37:23.833 --> 00:37:24.766
ISN'T THAT SOMETHING?


00:37:24.866 --> 00:37:27.066
I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK
OF LIKE, LORD, YOU,

00:37:27.166 --> 00:37:29.600
BUT WHY DID JESUS,
GIVE US AUTHORITY,

00:37:29.700 --> 00:37:31.432
AND THEN POSITION US HERE.


00:37:31.532 --> 00:37:34.632
SO WE CAN OPERATE NOT
ONLY WITH THE AUTHORITY,

00:37:34.732 --> 00:37:37.966
BUT WE'RE POSITIONED TO
OPERATE IN THAT AUTHORITY.

00:37:38.066 --> 00:37:40.266
SO ONCE THOSE LEGAL
RIGHTS HAVE BEEN BROKEN,

00:37:40.366 --> 00:37:42.400
AND SO IF MAYBE SOMEBODY


00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:45.033
HAS A VERY, MAYBE
SOMETHING A SPIRIT

00:37:45.133 --> 00:37:46.633
WOULD START TEARING THEM,


00:37:46.733 --> 00:37:49.300
I WILL USUALLY
ALWAYS SHUT IT DOWN.

00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.699
TELL HIM TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH
BECAUSE SPIRITS ARE BREATH.

00:37:52.799 --> 00:37:53.533
THEY COME OUT THAT WAY.


00:37:53.633 --> 00:37:55.099
THEY COME OUT OTHER
WAYS, TOO.

00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:56.866
UH, BUT THAT
WOULD TELL ME,

00:37:56.966 --> 00:37:59.932
THERE'S PROBABLY STILL
A LEGAL RIGHT THERE.

00:38:00.032 --> 00:38:01.466
SO LET'S FIND OUT


00:38:01.566 --> 00:38:02.633
WHAT'S GOING ON.


00:38:02.733 --> 00:38:06.399
LET'S REPENT AND RENOUNCE
THIS SO THAT IT CAN BE

00:38:06.499 --> 00:38:09.333
EASIER FOR YOU AND
IT WORKS EVERY TIME,

00:38:09.433 --> 00:38:11.066
EVERY EVERY SINGLE TIME.


00:38:11.166 --> 00:38:15.233
SO ONCE THOSE ARE BROKEN THOUGH,
AGAIN THE LEGAL RIGHTS,

00:38:15.333 --> 00:38:17.466
UH, THE SPIRIT HAS TO GO.


00:38:17.566 --> 00:38:19.132
IT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE.


00:38:19.232 --> 00:38:21.132
WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO
IT AND WE

00:38:21.232 --> 00:38:23.199
WOULD BE DOING
DELIVERANCE,

00:38:23.299 --> 00:38:26.333
I WOULD SOMETIMES COME UP
AGAINST THE WALL AND THE

00:38:26.433 --> 00:38:28.800
SPIRIT WASN'T LEAVING.


00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:30.233
SO I WOULD CALL
ROGER AND I'D

00:38:30.333 --> 00:38:32.766
SAY, ROGER, I CAN'T GET
THIS THING TO LEAVE.

00:38:32.866 --> 00:38:33.733
AND HE'D SAY TO ME,


00:38:33.833 --> 00:38:37.433
BEV, ARE YOU BREAKING
THE LEGAL RIGHTS?

00:38:37.533 --> 00:38:39.132
AND USUALLY I WASN'T.


00:38:39.232 --> 00:38:42.333
SO BECAUSE I KIND OF
POOH-POOHED THAT TO START WITH,

00:38:42.433 --> 00:38:43.666
IT'S NOT A POOH-POOH.


00:38:43.766 --> 00:38:46.033
YOU HAVE GOT TO BREAK


00:38:46.133 --> 00:38:48.566
LEGAL RIGHTS OF THE ENEMY


00:38:48.666 --> 00:38:50.199
BECAUSE HE IS A LEGALIST.


00:38:50.299 --> 00:38:52.166
GOD IS NOT, BUT HE
YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY

00:38:52.266 --> 00:38:54.600
HOW, HOW THE ENEMY
ALWAYS WANTS TO

00:38:54.700 --> 00:38:57.166
REPRESENT GOD AS
THE LEGALIST.

00:38:57.266 --> 00:38:59.533
AND YET HE'S A GOD
OF SUCH LOVE

00:38:59.633 --> 00:39:02.566
AND MERCY AND COMPASSION.


00:39:02.666 --> 00:39:05.232
I HAVE LITERALLY
EXPERIENCED

00:39:05.332 --> 00:39:09.466
THE COMPASSION OF JESUS
FOR PEOPLE THAT SO GOES SO

00:39:09.566 --> 00:39:13.966
FAR BEYOND MY OWN ABILITY THAT
I KNOW IT'S HIS COMPASSION.

00:39:14.066 --> 00:39:16.966
BECAUSE YOU FEEL JUST
SO MUCH LOVE FOR

00:39:17.066 --> 00:39:20.299
THESE PEOPLE THAT COME THAT
ARE SO BROKEN AND WOUNDED.

00:39:20.399 --> 00:39:22.166
AND I ALSO DEAL WITH,
AND I'M GONNA GET INTO

00:39:22.266 --> 00:39:25.032
THE CHILDREN THING, BUT I
ALSO DEAL WITH THINGS WITH

00:39:25.132 --> 00:39:28.933
INNER HEALING, TAKING
PEOPLE OUT OF CAPTIVITY

00:39:29.033 --> 00:39:29.833
AND THAT'S HUGE.


00:39:29.933 --> 00:39:32.866
BECAUSE NORMALLY
WHEN A PERSON COMES,

00:39:32.966 --> 00:39:36.233
THEY'RE NOT ONLY DEALING
WITH THE DEMONIC,

00:39:36.333 --> 00:39:39.432
THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE
DAMAGE THAT THAT THING HAS DONE.

00:39:39.532 --> 00:39:43.166
SOME TRAUMA, SOME
VIOLATION IN THEIR LIFE.

00:39:43.266 --> 00:39:45.866
SO WITH CHILDREN,


00:39:45.966 --> 00:39:50.733
I ACTUALLY HAVE A BOOK ON
CHILDREN'S DELIVERANCE, OKAY.

00:39:50.833 --> 00:39:54.633
SO IN THAT, I GO INTO A
LOT OF DIFFERENT,

00:39:54.733 --> 00:39:59.299
DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE
AS PARENTS CAN OPEN THE

00:39:59.399 --> 00:40:02.000
DOOR UP TO OUR CHILDREN.


00:40:02.100 --> 00:40:04.099
AND SO CHILDREN ARE


00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:08.266
USUALLY VERY EASY TO GET
FREE BECAUSE THE STUFF IS

00:40:08.366 --> 00:40:10.400
NOT ROOTED IN THEM.


00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:11.033
I ALWAYS SAY,


00:40:11.133 --> 00:40:12.533
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WEED,


00:40:12.633 --> 00:40:14.833
UH, WHERE IF YOU
LEAVE A WEED,

00:40:14.933 --> 00:40:15.632
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO


00:40:15.732 --> 00:40:17.499
GET A SHOVEL
AND DIG IT OUT.

00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:19.999
BUT IF YOU PULL THAT
WEED WHEN IT'S YOUNG,

00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:22.032
IT COMES RIGHT OUT AND
THAT'S THE SAME WAY

00:40:22.132 --> 00:40:23.033
WITH OUR CHILDREN.


00:40:23.133 --> 00:40:24.366
SO THE YOUNGER


00:40:24.466 --> 00:40:27.699
YOU CAN GET YOUR CHILDREN
DELIVERED WHETHER IT BE

00:40:27.799 --> 00:40:31.366
OF GENERATIONAL STUFF OR
MAYBE BEHAVIORS THAT YOU

00:40:31.466 --> 00:40:32.799
SEE WITH YOUR CHILDREN.


00:40:32.899 --> 00:40:36.099
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER ONE
TIME MY YOUNGEST GRANDSON

00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.732
WAS THROWING A TEMPER
TANTRUM AND HE WAS ON THE

00:40:38.832 --> 00:40:41.266
FLOOR KICKING AND
SCREAMING AND MY HUSBAND

00:40:41.366 --> 00:40:42.933
JUST LOOKED AT
HIM AND SAID, YOU

00:40:43.033 --> 00:40:44.432
THAT'S CAUSING THAT


00:40:44.532 --> 00:40:47.732
IN MICHAEL, COME OUT OF
HIM, IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

00:40:47.832 --> 00:40:48.833
AND MICHAEL


00:40:48.933 --> 00:40:51.966
JUST GOT RIGHT UP AND QUIT,
JUST TOTALLY QUIT.

00:40:52.066 --> 00:40:56.566
I SAW FEAR IN MY YOUNGEST
GRANDSON, WHICH WAS VERY

00:40:56.666 --> 00:40:58.733
TYPICAL OF THE SAME FEAR


00:40:58.833 --> 00:41:01.000
I WALKED IN AS A CHILD.


00:41:01.100 --> 00:41:03.266
AND SO WHEN I WOULD
SEE THAT,

00:41:03.366 --> 00:41:06.466
I'D BE LIKE OKAY, DEVIL, YOU
AREN'T GOING TO DO TO HIM,

00:41:06.566 --> 00:41:07.966
WHAT YOU DID TO ME.


00:41:08.066 --> 00:41:10.166
SO WE BACKED UP, REPENTED,


00:41:10.266 --> 00:41:12.432
YOU KNOW, FOR THE
GENERATIONAL THINGS.

00:41:12.532 --> 00:41:13.866
I HAD HIM REPENT,


00:41:13.966 --> 00:41:17.132
AND TOTALLY GOT HIM
FREE OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

00:41:17.232 --> 00:41:18.233
BUT GOING
TO CHILDREN,

00:41:18.333 --> 00:41:21.099
THERE'S A LOT OF
ACCOUNTABILITY TO PARENTS.

00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:26.233
IF WE OPEN DOORS UP TO OUR
CHILDREN BY LETTING THEM,

00:41:26.333 --> 00:41:30.366
VIDEO GAMES, MOVIES,
ALL OF THESE.

00:41:30.466 --> 00:41:33.200
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS
ONLINE TODAY THAT ARE,

00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:35.133
OH, YOU KNOW, THIS
IS INTERESTING.

00:41:35.233 --> 00:41:38.999
THERE IS A THING CALLED
THE BOOK OF BILL,

00:41:39.099 --> 00:41:43.499
AND IT IS A SATANIC
BIBLE FOR CHILDREN

00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.466
AND A FATHER FOUND IT,


00:41:45.566 --> 00:41:46.832
I SAW IT ON FACEBOOK,


00:41:46.932 --> 00:41:50.933
HE FOUND IT IN HIS SON'S
ROOM, A 12-YEAR-OLD BOY.

00:41:51.033 --> 00:41:54.033
AND HE STARTED
GOING THROUGH IT.

00:41:54.133 --> 00:41:55.199
AND IN THERE,


00:41:55.299 --> 00:41:57.499
THERE'S A PORTION FOR THAT
CHILD OF HOW TO SELL YOUR

00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.533
SOUL TO THE DEVIL, HOW TO --


00:42:01.633 --> 00:42:03.199
ENCOURAGES THEM TO GO TO


00:42:03.299 --> 00:42:06.966
TAROT CARD READERS OR
PSYCHICS OR CONTACT THEM.

00:42:07.066 --> 00:42:12.133
AND SO I LOOKED IT UP,
THE BOOK OF BILL AND IT'S

00:42:12.233 --> 00:42:15.866
REALLY A SATANIC BIBLE AND
IT COMES OUT OF THE DISNEY

00:42:15.966 --> 00:42:18.166
MOVIE GRAVITY FALLS.


00:42:18.266 --> 00:42:20.266
YEAH, IT'S
PRETTY SHOCKING,

00:42:20.366 --> 00:42:23.599
BUT DISNEY, IF I GET INTO
DISNEY, WHICH I WON'T

00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:25.666
A WHOLE LOT,
DISNEY'S NOTHING

00:42:25.766 --> 00:42:27.166
BUT BLATANT WITCHCRAFT.


00:42:27.266 --> 00:42:30.366
AND IT HAS GONE
TO LEVELS OF

00:42:30.466 --> 00:42:33.233
WITCHCRAFT AND
IT DON'T PLAY NO MORE.

00:42:33.333 --> 00:42:35.266
WE'RE NOT GETTING
SNOW WHITE, FOLKS.

00:42:35.366 --> 00:42:38.366
WE'RE GOING TO THE HIGH
LEVEL OF WITCHCRAFT WHERE

00:42:38.466 --> 00:42:42.666
THESE CHILDREN ARE BEING
ENCOURAGED TO LITERALLY

00:42:42.766 --> 00:42:43.600
SELL THEIR SOUL.


00:42:43.700 --> 00:42:45.133
AND THERE'S A WHOLE
LOT OF THINGS.

00:42:45.233 --> 00:42:47.099
I WON'T TAKE TIME TO
GO INTO THAT.

00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:48.966
BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU
ONE STORY ABOUT A YOUNG

00:42:49.066 --> 00:42:50.300
MAN THAT CAME TO US.


00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.832
HIS PARENTS WERE
EVANGELICALS,

00:42:52.932 --> 00:42:54.866
BOTH OF THEM
SCHOOLTEACHERS.

00:42:54.966 --> 00:43:00.500
AND THEY WENT TO A DOCTOR IN
IN TOWN HERE IN ROCKFORD

00:43:00.600 --> 00:43:04.266
AND THE GRANDMOTHER OR THE
GRANDMOTHER WENT TO THE --

00:43:04.366 --> 00:43:06.866
TO SEE THE DOCTOR AND
SHE WAS TELLING HIM,

00:43:06.966 --> 00:43:11.333
HE'S A CHRISTIAN DOCTOR,
ABOUT THEIR GRANDSON.

00:43:11.433 --> 00:43:14.766
AND HOW HE WAS
EIGHT YEARS OLD.

00:43:14.866 --> 00:43:18.033
HE HAD BECOME ANGRY AND
VIOLENT AND THEY COULDN'T

00:43:18.133 --> 00:43:19.933
FIGURE OUT WHY.


00:43:20.033 --> 00:43:23.666
SHE HAD ACTUALLY RECORDED
A CLIP, A VIDEO CLIP

00:43:23.766 --> 00:43:24.733
ON HER PHONE.


00:43:24.833 --> 00:43:28.900
SO SHE SHOWED IT TO
THE DOCTOR AND HE SAID

00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:29.833
YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:43:29.933 --> 00:43:31.866
HE SAID, I'M GONNA
RECOMMEND YOU TAKE

00:43:31.966 --> 00:43:33.900
HER OR TAKE HIM TO THIS


00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.199
LADY BEV TUCKER.


00:43:36.299 --> 00:43:42.733
AND SO SHE LITERALLY
CALLED HER SON AND SAID,

00:43:42.833 --> 00:43:43.766
YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:43:43.866 --> 00:43:45.766
DR. MECCA SAID,


00:43:45.866 --> 00:43:48.033
IT WOULD BE GOOD
FOR YOU TO TAKE,

00:43:48.133 --> 00:43:49.366
I DON'T REMEMBER HIS
NAME, BUT I'M GOING

00:43:49.466 --> 00:43:50.900
TO SAY IT WAS ADAM.


00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.633
SO TO SEE THIS PASTOR BEV.


00:43:54.733 --> 00:43:58.200
AND SO I GAVE HIM
MY PHONE NUMBER,

00:43:58.300 --> 00:43:59.799
BUT THEY NEVER CALLED ME.


00:43:59.899 --> 00:44:02.699
SO, UH, ABOUT A YEAR LATER,


00:44:02.799 --> 00:44:05.832
THIS MOM AND DAD
FINALLY CALLED ME.

00:44:05.932 --> 00:44:08.232
THEY HAD TAKEN
HIM TO COUNSELING.

00:44:08.332 --> 00:44:10.833
THEY HAD TAKEN
HIM TO THERAPY.

00:44:10.933 --> 00:44:11.966
NOTHING.


00:44:12.066 --> 00:44:16.999
HE WAS STILL AS DESTRUCTIVE
AND JUST AS VIOLENT.

00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:18.733
HE WOULD GET UP LIKE
ON THE BACK OF THE

00:44:18.833 --> 00:44:21.166
COUCH AND GROWL
AT HIS PARENTS,

00:44:21.266 --> 00:44:22.800
SAY I HATE YOU.


00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:26.199
HE WOULD CALL THEM
EVERY FILTHY NAME

00:44:26.299 --> 00:44:27.166
YOU COULD IMAGINE.


00:44:27.266 --> 00:44:28.033
EIGHT YEARS OLD,


00:44:28.133 --> 00:44:29.733
EIGHT YEARS OLD.


00:44:29.833 --> 00:44:31.733
SO THEY WANTED TO KNOW,


00:44:31.833 --> 00:44:32.666
THEY FINALLY --


00:44:32.766 --> 00:44:35.666
I'M A LAST RESORT
BECAUSE IT'S LIKE TO,

00:44:35.766 --> 00:44:38.000
YOU KNOW, LIKE
DELIVERANCE IS TABOO.

00:44:38.100 --> 00:44:40.599
NO, NO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER
REASON DELIVERANCE HAS

00:44:40.699 --> 00:44:44.799
BECOME TABOO IS BECAUSE
OF MOVIES, HORROR MOVIES,

00:44:44.899 --> 00:44:48.133
AND EXORCIST AND ALL OF
THAT WHERE THEY MAKE IT SO

00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.899
CRAZY AND WOULD SCARE A
PERSON HALF TO DEATH TO GO,

00:44:51.999 --> 00:44:53.033
YEAH, THAT'S WHY,


00:44:53.133 --> 00:44:56.266
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ANOTHER
TACTIC OF THE ENEMY.

00:44:56.366 --> 00:44:59.032
BUT ANYWAY, SO THEY
FINALLY BRING HIM TO ME AS

00:44:59.132 --> 00:45:02.833
A LAST RESORT AND THEY
COME IN, MOM AND DAD.

00:45:02.933 --> 00:45:06.333
AND I DO NOT, UH, MINISTER
TO CHILDREN WITHOUT

00:45:06.433 --> 00:45:07.933
THE MOM AND DAD THERE.


00:45:08.033 --> 00:45:10.999
OKAY, I HAVE ALWAYS IF
YOU CAN BRING YOUR CHILD,

00:45:11.099 --> 00:45:12.666
YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO COME, OKAY.

00:45:12.766 --> 00:45:16.033
FOR A FEW REASONS, NUMBER
ONE, THAT COVERING,

00:45:16.133 --> 00:45:17.966
BECAUSE PARENTS ARE
THE COVERING.

00:45:18.066 --> 00:45:19.999
AND ALSO I DON'T WANT ANY


00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:21.833
ACCUSATIONS GOING
OUT AGAINST ME.

00:45:21.933 --> 00:45:23.900
I'M DEALING WITH DEMONS
AND I KNOW IT,

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.499
AND ALSO THEY NEED TO
SEE WHAT GOES ON.

00:45:26.499 --> 00:45:27.033
BUT ANYWAY --


00:45:27.133 --> 00:45:27.533
REBECCA: OKAY.


00:45:27.633 --> 00:45:28.600
BEV: RADICAL.


00:45:28.700 --> 00:45:29.766
REBECCA: WE'LL GO BACK TO
THE EIGHT-YEAR-OLD.

00:45:29.866 --> 00:45:32.633
SO THE PARENTS FINALLY COME
TO YOU AS A LAST RESORT.

00:45:32.733 --> 00:45:33.366
BEV: YES.


00:45:33.466 --> 00:45:34.533
REBECCA: AND WHAT HAPPENED?


00:45:34.633 --> 00:45:37.900
BEV: AND SO THEY FINALLY
COME TO US AND SO WE'RE

00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.532
SITTING DOWN TALKING AND
HEARING THEIR STORY AND

00:45:41.632 --> 00:45:42.733
ALL OF THAT.


00:45:42.833 --> 00:45:45.099
SO MY FIRST QUESTION
IS LIKE, OKAY,

00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:46.999
SO WHAT ARE,


00:45:47.099 --> 00:45:48.666
WHAT'S HE PLAYING WITH?


00:45:48.766 --> 00:45:50.033
WHAT'S HE WATCHING ON


00:45:50.133 --> 00:45:52.999
TV, VIDEOS, WHO
ARE HIS FRIENDS?

00:45:53.099 --> 00:45:56.199
OKAY, BECAUSE THE BIBLE
SAYS THAT WRONG COMPANIONS

00:45:56.299 --> 00:45:57.599
CORRUPT GOOD CHARACTER.


00:45:57.699 --> 00:46:01.033
OKAY, SO I WAS EVEN
SPEAKING TO SOME YOUTH HERE

00:46:01.133 --> 00:46:04.299
A FEW WEEKS AGO AND I SAID
THAT DON'T MEAN

00:46:04.399 --> 00:46:07.332
ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE EVIL,
BUT THEY COULD BE WRONG FRIENDS.

00:46:07.432 --> 00:46:09.333
YOU KNOW, THAT CAN
OPEN DOORS UP.

00:46:09.433 --> 00:46:10.399
BECAUSE TODAY A LOT OF OUR


00:46:10.499 --> 00:46:14.033
CHILDREN, YOUNG PEOPLE,
DEAL WITH WITCHCRAFT

00:46:14.133 --> 00:46:15.366
AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT
THEY'RE PUBLIC

00:46:15.466 --> 00:46:17.400
SCHOOL KIDS ARE
INVOLVED IN.

00:46:17.500 --> 00:46:17.933
AND THEY ALL GET


00:46:18.033 --> 00:46:19.233
INVOLVED IN IT.


00:46:19.333 --> 00:46:20.466
BUT ANYWAY THE LITTLE BOY.


00:46:20.566 --> 00:46:23.533
SO WE THEY SAID THEY HAD
TO REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM

00:46:23.633 --> 00:46:25.266
HIS ROOM EXCEPT
HIS MATTRESS,

00:46:25.366 --> 00:46:27.600
BECAUSE HE WAS
DESTROYING EVERYTHING.

00:46:27.700 --> 00:46:29.199
SO WE EXPLAINED


00:46:29.299 --> 00:46:32.232
TO THAT LITTLE BOY AS
WELL AS MOM AND DAD THAT

00:46:32.332 --> 00:46:34.366
BECAUSE HE HATED
WHAT HE WAS DOING?

00:46:34.466 --> 00:46:37.732
IT WOULD BE LIKE THAT
SPIRIT WOULD TAKE HIM OVER

00:46:37.832 --> 00:46:39.800
AND HE'D GO INTO
THESE RAGES

00:46:39.900 --> 00:46:41.499
AND THE CURSING AND
SWEARING.

00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.199
AND THEN IT WOULD LET
HIM GO AND HE'D BE FINE.

00:46:44.299 --> 00:46:46.099
AND THEN HE'D
HAVE TO DEAL WITH,

00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:47.066
OH, MY GOODNESS, MOM,


00:46:47.166 --> 00:46:48.066
I'M SO SORRY.


00:46:48.166 --> 00:46:49.266
DAD, I'M SO SORRY.


00:46:49.366 --> 00:46:51.466
AND HE'D FEEL SO MUCH
GUILT AND SHAME

00:46:51.566 --> 00:46:54.066
FOR WHAT HE HAD
SAID TO HIS PARENTS.

00:46:54.166 --> 00:46:58.132
BUT ANYWAY, WE EXPLAINED
TO THE LITTLE BOY AND TOLD

00:46:58.232 --> 00:47:01.266
HIM THAT WHY THOSE
THINGS NEEDED TO BE OUT OF

00:47:01.366 --> 00:47:05.466
HIS LIFE AND THEN
PROCEEDED TO PRAY AND COME

00:47:05.566 --> 00:47:07.833
AGAINST THAT SPIRIT,
COMMANDED TO COME OUT OF

00:47:07.933 --> 00:47:10.499
HIM AND IT WAS
A REALLY EASY,

00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:12.466
CALM DELIVERANCE.


00:47:12.566 --> 00:47:16.466
AND SO THEN WE ALSO WENT
AND EXPLAINED,

00:47:16.566 --> 00:47:18.666
SO WE WALKED THEM THROUGH
THE DELIVERANCE OF THE

00:47:18.766 --> 00:47:20.633
VARIOUS THINGS, TOLD THE
PARENTS SOME DIFFERENT

00:47:20.733 --> 00:47:24.633
THINGS THEY NEEDED TO DO
TO CLOSE SOME DOORS FOR

00:47:24.733 --> 00:47:27.666
THIS CHILD, AND THEN --


00:47:27.766 --> 00:47:29.332
REBECCA: CAN YOU GIVE AN
EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE DOORS

00:47:29.432 --> 00:47:31.000
THAT WERE OPENED?


00:47:31.100 --> 00:47:32.100
BEV: OH, YEAH.


00:47:32.200 --> 00:47:33.400
THE VIDEO GAMES.


00:47:33.500 --> 00:47:36.332
HE WAS PLAYING
DEMONIC VIDEO GAMES.

00:47:36.432 --> 00:47:39.899
UH, SOME OF THE FRIENDS HE
WAS HANGING OUT WITH WERE

00:47:39.999 --> 00:47:42.132
ALSO INTO A LOT
OF THE DIFFERENT,

00:47:42.232 --> 00:47:44.966
UH, GAMES THAT ARE OUT
THERE FOR CHILDREN TODAY

00:47:45.066 --> 00:47:47.732
LIKE EVEN SOME OF
THE DISNEY MOVIES

00:47:47.832 --> 00:47:49.699
THEY WERE
PARTICIPATING WITH

00:47:49.799 --> 00:47:52.100
AND DIFFERENT THINGS
LIKE THAT.

00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:53.733
LIKE I SAY THERE'S SO
MUCH STUFF OUT

00:47:53.833 --> 00:47:55.000
THERE AND YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:47:55.100 --> 00:47:57.366
WE'RE IN THE END TIMES AND


00:47:57.466 --> 00:47:59.600
THE ENEMY WANTS THIS
NEXT GENERATION.

00:47:59.700 --> 00:48:01.832
THEY WANT OUR GENERATIONS,


00:48:01.932 --> 00:48:05.366
BUT WE EXPLAINED ALL
THAT TO HIM.

00:48:05.466 --> 00:48:07.800
AND THEN AFTER WE WALKED
HIM THROUGH DELIVERANCE,

00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:12.766
WE EXPLAINED THAT HE HAD
AUTHORITY, EIGHT YEARS OLD,

00:48:12.866 --> 00:48:13.732
JESUS IN YOUR HEART,


00:48:13.832 --> 00:48:16.533
HONEY, YOU GOT AUTHORITY
OVER THE DEVIL.

00:48:16.633 --> 00:48:20.166
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET
HIM DICTATE TO YOU YOUR

00:48:20.266 --> 00:48:21.233
BEHAVIORS OR WHATEVER.


00:48:21.333 --> 00:48:22.332
AND SO WE EXPLAINED TO HIM


00:48:22.432 --> 00:48:24.266
THAT IF YOU FEEL
SOME THINGS,

00:48:24.366 --> 00:48:27.733
NO, YOU TELL IT TO GO
IN THE NAME OF JESUS

00:48:27.833 --> 00:48:30.732
AND IT'LL GO BECAUSE
IT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE.

00:48:30.832 --> 00:48:33.333
YOU HAVE AUTHORITY
IN JESUS.

00:48:33.433 --> 00:48:35.699
SO AFTER WALKING
HIM THROUGH DELIVERANCE,

00:48:35.799 --> 00:48:37.566
TELLING THE PARENTS
THINGS THEY NEEDED

00:48:37.666 --> 00:48:40.966
TO GET RID OF, AND
GIVING HIM SOME

00:48:41.066 --> 00:48:43.100
COUNSEL ON HIS
AUTHORITY,

00:48:43.200 --> 00:48:46.833
THAT DAY WE -- THE
SESSION WAS OVER.

00:48:46.933 --> 00:48:48.533
AND THIS, THIS ACTUALLY,


00:48:48.633 --> 00:48:50.533
IT WAS IN THE MONTH OF MAY.


00:48:50.633 --> 00:48:52.633
I NEVER HEARD
ANYTHING BACK

00:48:52.733 --> 00:48:54.966
FROM THESE PARENTS AND I
WOULD THINK ABOUT THEM,

00:48:55.066 --> 00:48:57.733
BUT I DIDN'T TAKE DOWN
THEIR PHONE NUMBER BECAUSE

00:48:57.833 --> 00:48:59.566
I HAD JUST GIVEN
THEM MY NUMBER.

00:48:59.666 --> 00:49:01.766
AND SO I WONDERED ABOUT
THE LITTLE BOY.

00:49:01.866 --> 00:49:04.433
I WONDERED HOW HE'S
DOING, DA-DA-DA-DA.

00:49:04.533 --> 00:49:06.966
AND AT CHRISTMAS TIME,


00:49:07.066 --> 00:49:08.500
I GOT A CARD FROM THEM.


00:49:08.600 --> 00:49:10.266
AND THEY SAID, PASTOR BEV,


00:49:10.366 --> 00:49:11.699
WE JUST WANTED
TO THANK YOU.

00:49:11.799 --> 00:49:12.466
THEY SAID,


00:49:12.566 --> 00:49:15.433
ADAM IS ABSOLUTELY
THRIVING.

00:49:15.533 --> 00:49:17.933
HE'S A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT KID.

00:49:18.033 --> 00:49:19.866
HE TAKES AUTHORITY --


00:49:19.966 --> 00:49:20.966
AND THIS WAS WHAT REALLY


00:49:21.066 --> 00:49:25.533
BLESSED ME IS THAT HE, HE
LITERALLY WAS COMMANDING

00:49:25.633 --> 00:49:27.966
THE DEVIL, THIS
EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOY.

00:49:28.066 --> 00:49:30.333
JUST SIMPLY, I MEAN,
BECAUSE WHEN HE CAME,

00:49:30.433 --> 00:49:34.466
HE WAS READY TO RECEIVE
EVERYTHING WE TOLD HIM

00:49:34.566 --> 00:49:35.866
FROM THE WORD OF GOD.


00:49:35.966 --> 00:49:39.199
AND SO HE RADICALLY
WAS RADICALLY FREE.

00:49:39.299 --> 00:49:41.432
SO YEAH, SO
IT'S GOOD STUFF,

00:49:41.532 --> 00:49:42.533
GOOD STUFF.


00:49:42.633 --> 00:49:45.900
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, I
CAN GO INTO A LOT MORE.

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:47.966
YOU KNOW, THE ONE
THING WITH DISNEY,

00:49:48.066 --> 00:49:51.666
I GET ON DISNEY
A LOT, JUST, OKAY.

00:49:51.766 --> 00:49:54.200
BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME,
LIKE I SAID, WE AREN'T

00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:55.666
DEALING WITH NO
SIMPLE SNOW WHITE.

00:49:55.766 --> 00:49:56.832
WHICH SNOW WHITE


00:49:56.932 --> 00:50:00.699
WASN'T GOOD EITHER, BUT IT'S
HIGH LEVEL WITCHCRAFT.

00:50:00.799 --> 00:50:04.233
SO I LIKE TO SAY
IT THIS WAY.

00:50:04.333 --> 00:50:06.100
WE ARE A SPIRIT.


00:50:06.200 --> 00:50:07.432
WE HAVE A SOUL.


00:50:07.532 --> 00:50:08.666
WE LIVE IN A BODY.


00:50:08.766 --> 00:50:11.800
SO THE HEART OF MAN IS
LITERALLY THE SOUL.

00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:15.166
OKAY, ALTHOUGH THE SPIRIT
CAN BE -- A LOT OF PEOPLE

00:50:15.266 --> 00:50:18.166
DON'T THINK THE SPIRIT
OF MAN CAN BE AFFECTED,

00:50:18.266 --> 00:50:21.999
BUT IT CAN BE IN, UH,
CORINTHIANS FIRST --

00:50:22.099 --> 00:50:23.333
I THINK IT'S FIRST
CORINTHIANS,

00:50:23.433 --> 00:50:25.533
COULD BE SECOND, 7, VERSE 1.


00:50:25.633 --> 00:50:30.166
IT SAYS, I PRAY THAT
MY SPIRIT AND SOUL,

00:50:30.266 --> 00:50:34.399
NO, MY SPIRIT
AND BODY BE, UH,

00:50:34.499 --> 00:50:36.533
BE CLEANSED OF
ALL FILTH.

00:50:36.633 --> 00:50:38.599
IF YOU GO TO 1
THESSALONIANS 5,

00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:41.366
I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 18
THROUGH 20, 21.

00:50:41.466 --> 00:50:43.800
IT SAYS I PRAY THAT
YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT,

00:50:43.900 --> 00:50:46.533
SOUL, AND BODY
BE PRESERVED.

00:50:46.633 --> 00:50:47.900
HE NAMES ALL THREE,
DON'T HE?

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:48.833
REBECCA: UH-HUH.


00:50:48.933 --> 00:50:50.599
BEV: OKAY, SO ANYWAY,
BUT GOING BACK

00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:54.133
TO, UH, SECULAR COUNSELING,


00:50:54.233 --> 00:50:57.533
THEY SAY IT'S
DISASSOCIATED DISORDER.

00:50:57.633 --> 00:51:01.033
THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT
IT AS BROKENNESS.

00:51:01.133 --> 00:51:03.933
I CALL THEM FRAGMENTED
SOULS, BROKEN.

00:51:04.033 --> 00:51:04.999
YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY


00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:08.899
JESUS IS THE HEALER OF
THE BROKEN PERSON

00:51:08.999 --> 00:51:13.133
BECAUSE HE WILL TAKE YOU AND
HEAL YOUR BROKENNESS.

00:51:13.233 --> 00:51:18.199
IN THE VIDEO, OTHER VIDEO
THAT I DID WITH AMANDA,

00:51:18.299 --> 00:51:21.299
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YOUNG
WOMAN WHO I DON'T KNOW IF

00:51:21.399 --> 00:51:23.700
YOU EVEN SAW THAT ONE,
THAT HER SOUL,

00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:25.366
THEY DID DRUGS


00:51:25.466 --> 00:51:29.066
AND HER SOUL, LITERALLY, SHE
TOLD ME WHEN SHE CAME TO ME,

00:51:29.166 --> 00:51:30.633
WE RODE THE STARS.


00:51:30.733 --> 00:51:32.666
NOW THAT SOUNDS CRAZY.


00:51:32.766 --> 00:51:34.199
BUT WHEN THE SOUL IS --


00:51:34.299 --> 00:51:36.699
WHEN -- IT'S LIKE AN
ASTRAL PROJECTION.

00:51:36.799 --> 00:51:41.933
SO LITERALLY, WHEN WE DID
THAT AND PRAYED FOR HER,

00:51:42.033 --> 00:51:45.866
UH, I SAID IN FACT, WE WALKED
HER THROUGH DELIVERANCE.

00:51:45.966 --> 00:51:48.966
I DID DELIVERANCE WITH
HER ONLINE BY THE WAY.

00:51:49.066 --> 00:51:51.633
UH, THERE'S NO DISTANCE
IN THE SPIRIT REALM.

00:51:51.733 --> 00:51:55.633
GOD IS AS BIG IF, I'VE
COMMANDED STUFF,

00:51:55.733 --> 00:51:58.333
UH, TO LEAVE PEOPLE OUT
ON THE EAST COAST AND I'M

00:51:58.433 --> 00:52:01.066
MIDWEST AND THOSE
SPIRITS LEAVE THEM.

00:52:01.166 --> 00:52:04.266
BECAUSE THERE'S NO DISTANCE
IN THE SPIRIT REALM.

00:52:04.366 --> 00:52:05.333
YOU KNOW, YOU
JUST VOICE IT.

00:52:05.433 --> 00:52:07.699
THAT'S OUR AUTHORITY
IN CHRIST.

00:52:07.799 --> 00:52:10.532
BUT ANYWAY, SHE WAS
IN HOUSTON,

00:52:10.632 --> 00:52:14.733
AND I'M HERE IN ROCKFORD
AND WE'RE DOING FACETIME.

00:52:14.833 --> 00:52:15.899
WE'RE DOING FACETIME.


00:52:15.999 --> 00:52:18.799
AND SO I -- HER HUSBAND
WAS THERE WITH HER.

00:52:18.899 --> 00:52:21.766
AND SO FINALLY, I SAID TO
HER ONE DAY AND I

00:52:21.866 --> 00:52:23.633
CAN GIVE YOU HER NAME,
BECAUSE SHE'S -- SHE'S GIVEN

00:52:23.733 --> 00:52:25.566
THIS TESTIMONY, BUT I
SAID MADDIE TODAY

00:52:25.666 --> 00:52:26.199
WE'RE GOING TO GO


00:52:26.299 --> 00:52:28.300
GET YOU OFF THE STARS.


00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.966
AND SO I SAID JUST
CLOSE YOUR

00:52:31.066 --> 00:52:33.033
EYES AND I SAID
LET YOURSELF

00:52:33.133 --> 00:52:34.299
JUST GO BACK
THERE.

00:52:34.399 --> 00:52:39.199
AND I BEGAN TO BREAK OFF
EVERY DEMONIC STRONGHOLD.

00:52:39.299 --> 00:52:42.266
I COMMANDED THE ENEMY
TO RELEASE HER OUT OF

00:52:42.366 --> 00:52:44.732
CAPTIVITY IN THE
NAME OF JESUS.

00:52:44.832 --> 00:52:48.266
AND THEN I BEGAN TO
HAVE VISIONS

00:52:48.366 --> 00:52:49.199
OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING.


00:52:49.299 --> 00:52:51.466
I LITERALLY SAW
WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

00:52:51.566 --> 00:52:54.533
AND I LIKE SAW THESE LONG
SKINNY ARMS WITH THESE

00:52:54.633 --> 00:52:58.466
LIKE PRONGY FINGERS, GRAY
ARMS REACHING OUT TO GRAB

00:52:58.566 --> 00:53:04.366
HER AS SHE WAS COMING
OUT AND THEN, UH,

00:53:04.466 --> 00:53:06.932
HOLY SPIRIT SAID TO ME,


00:53:07.032 --> 00:53:08.766
BEV, CALL TO HER.


00:53:08.866 --> 00:53:10.566
SO I SAID TO HER AT
ONE POINT,

00:53:10.666 --> 00:53:13.166
I SAID, MADDIE,
KEEP COMING.

00:53:13.266 --> 00:53:16.266
AND THEN I'M COMMANDING
STUFF TO COME OFF OF HER,

00:53:16.366 --> 00:53:18.000
RELEASE HER, WHATEVER.


00:53:18.100 --> 00:53:21.366
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
THE LORD SAYS,

00:53:21.466 --> 00:53:23.666
BEV, CALL TO HER AGAIN.


00:53:23.766 --> 00:53:26.933
AND SO I SAID,
MADDIE, KEEP COMING.

00:53:27.033 --> 00:53:29.866
THREE TIMES HE TOLD ME
CALL TO HER.

00:53:29.966 --> 00:53:31.499
SO I CALLED HER
THREE TIMES.

00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.566
I SAID, MADDIE,
KEEP COMING.

00:53:33.666 --> 00:53:34.966
AND THEN ALL OF
A SUDDEN,

00:53:35.066 --> 00:53:36.500
I SAW LIKE THIS LIGHT.


00:53:36.600 --> 00:53:39.132
LIKE A PATHWAY
GO BEFORE HER.

00:53:39.232 --> 00:53:41.566
AND SO I KNEW SHE
WAS COMING OUT.

00:53:41.666 --> 00:53:45.766
AND FINALLY, SHE SAID TO
ME, BEV, I'M OUT OF THERE.

00:53:45.866 --> 00:53:51.099
AND SO THEN SHE GAVE HER
PORTION OF WHAT SHE SAW.

00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:52.499
AND SO SHE SAID IT --


00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.532
SHE SAID, SHE WAS COMING
OUT AND SHE SAID I SAW

00:53:55.632 --> 00:53:58.599
LIKE SHE WAS HAD BEEN
SAVED FOR THREE WEEKS.

00:53:58.699 --> 00:53:59.900
THAT'S IT.


00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:01.666
SO SHE DIDN'T
KNOW THIS STUFF,

00:54:01.766 --> 00:54:04.333
BUT SHE SAID I SAW A
SEA OF PEOPLE.

00:54:04.433 --> 00:54:05.133
AND THE BIBLE


00:54:05.233 --> 00:54:06.266
TALKS ABOUT A
SEA OF PEOPLE,

00:54:06.366 --> 00:54:09.099
ONE ON, TWO SIDES
OF ME, SHE SAID.

00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:10.566
AND THERE WERE THESE
PEOPLE WITH THESE

00:54:10.666 --> 00:54:13.999
ARMS REACHING OUT
TO GRAB ME.

00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:15.532
AND SHE SAID SHE NAMED


00:54:15.632 --> 00:54:18.166
THE GUY THAT SHE HAD DONE
DRUGS WITH, THAT TRIPPED

00:54:18.266 --> 00:54:19.332
OUT WITH HER.


00:54:19.432 --> 00:54:22.500
SHE GOES HE WAS IN THERE AND
SHE SAID, BEV, IT WAS SO

00:54:22.600 --> 00:54:23.766
DARK IN THERE.


00:54:23.866 --> 00:54:27.232
I COULDN'T SEE AND
I WAS GETTING LOST.

00:54:27.332 --> 00:54:29.066
AND SHE SAID
ALL OF A SUDDEN,

00:54:29.166 --> 00:54:31.433
I HEARD YOU CALL MY NAME.


00:54:31.533 --> 00:54:34.900
AND SHE SAID, I FOLLOWED
THE SOUND OF YOUR VOICE

00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.900
AND THAT'S HOW I
FOUND MY WAY OUT.

00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:37.966
AND THAT JUST WAS --


00:54:38.066 --> 00:54:39.233
IT ALMOST MADE ME CRY.


00:54:39.333 --> 00:54:42.633
BECAUSE THE LORD SAID, BEV,
CALL TO HER BECAUSE HE

00:54:42.733 --> 00:54:44.766
WAS WATCHING ALL OF IT.


00:54:44.866 --> 00:54:48.032
SEE, WE'RE INSTRUMENTS
OF THE LORD TO SET

00:54:48.132 --> 00:54:48.933
THE CAPTIVES FREE.


00:54:49.033 --> 00:54:50.433
THAT'S OUR ASSIGNMENT.


00:54:50.533 --> 00:54:52.099
SO I'M DOING WHAT
I'M ASSIGNED TO DO,

00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.332
BUT GOD'S WATCHING AND HE
SAYS, BEV, CALL TO HER.

00:54:55.432 --> 00:54:57.499
BECAUSE HE USES US,
DOESN'T HE?

00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:58.833
AND THEN WHEN SHE SAYS,


00:54:58.933 --> 00:54:59.932
BEV, IT WAS SO DARK.


00:55:00.032 --> 00:55:02.033
I COULDN'T FIND
MY WAY OUT,

00:55:02.133 --> 00:55:03.932
BUT I HEARD YOUR VOICE.


00:55:04.032 --> 00:55:05.232
AND WHEN I HEARD YOUR
VOICE,

00:55:05.332 --> 00:55:08.399
I FOLLOWED, I FOLLOWED
THE SOUND OF YOUR VOICE.

00:55:08.499 --> 00:55:10.899
AND THEN SHE AND THAT'S
HOW SHE FOUND HER WAY OUT.

00:55:10.999 --> 00:55:13.100
AND THEN SHE TALKED ABOUT
SEEING THE LIGHT AND ALL

00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:15.166
OF A SUDDEN SEEING JESUS.


00:55:15.266 --> 00:55:17.466
AND THEN WE PRAYED FOR
THE LORD TO TAKE

00:55:17.566 --> 00:55:18.832
THAT PART OF HER SOUL


00:55:18.932 --> 00:55:22.099
THAT WAS BROKEN AND REINTEGRATE
HER AND GROW HER UP.

00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.099
ONLY JESUS CAN DO THAT.


00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:26.699
ONLY JESUS CAN TAKE A
BROKEN PERSON

00:55:26.799 --> 00:55:29.566
AND REINTEGRATE THEM AND
MAKE THEM WHOLE AGAIN.

00:55:29.666 --> 00:55:31.199
REBECCA: FOR PEOPLE WHO
WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT YOU,

00:55:31.299 --> 00:55:33.366
WHERE CAN THEY FIND YOU?


00:55:33.466 --> 00:55:34.733
BEV: OKAY, THEY CAN,


00:55:34.833 --> 00:55:36.566
WELL, THEY CAN
GO TO MY YOUTUBE,

00:55:36.666 --> 00:55:40.266
WHICH IS, UH, BEV TUCKER
OR BEVERLY TUCKER.

00:55:40.366 --> 00:55:42.099
THEY CAN ALSO GO
TO MY WEBSITE,

00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.599
BEVTUCKERMINISTRIES.COM.


00:55:44.699 --> 00:55:46.300
AND THERE THEY CAN GET,


00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:49.366
WELL, YOU HAVE TO GO TO
AMAZON TO GET MY MANUAL,

00:55:49.466 --> 00:55:51.466
<i>SETTING THE CAPTIVES FREE.</i>


00:55:51.566 --> 00:55:55.766
UM, AND THEN I HAVE
BITTERNESS, BREAKING

00:55:55.866 --> 00:55:58.066
THE STRONG MAN OF BITTERNESS
AND UNFORGIVENESS,

00:55:58.166 --> 00:56:00.133
WHICH IS
MY NEWEST BOOK.

00:56:00.233 --> 00:56:02.633
<i>REJECTION: IDENTITY
THIEF EXPOSED,</i>

00:56:02.733 --> 00:56:04.299
THAT'S GOT A STORY OF


00:56:04.399 --> 00:56:05.566
INNER HEALING IN THERE.


00:56:05.666 --> 00:56:07.666
IT'S GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE.


00:56:07.766 --> 00:56:10.900
AND THEN MY CHILDREN'S
ONE, OKAY.

00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:12.032
SO THAT'S IT.


00:56:12.132 --> 00:56:13.900
I HAVE TONS OF
STORIES, BUT --

00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:15.099
REBECCA: I KNOW.


00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:16.133
WELL, THIS HAS BEEN AMAZING.


00:56:16.233 --> 00:56:16.699
I WANT TO SAY


00:56:16.799 --> 00:56:18.266
THANK YOU SO MUCH.


00:56:18.366 --> 00:56:18.632
BEV: YOU'RE SO WELCOME.