JOSEPH Z: IF YOU ARE LISTENING TOTHE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST,
I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, AND YOU FEEL A CALL
TO THE PROPHETIC,
WELL, GOD WANTS YOU TO BE CLEAR-EYED, CLEAR-MINDED.
YOU CAN GET RID OF THE GOOFY AND YOU CAN START
GETTING RESULTS, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
IT'S ABOUT JESUS.
REBECCA: AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN KNOW THAT,
BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN
AND LIVE IT AND THAT TAKES TIME AND TESTING.
JOSEPH Z: IT DOES.
GOD NEVER DOES THESE THINGS TO KILL YOU.
HE NEVER DOES THESE THINGS TO DESTROY YOU.
REBECCA: HE WILL PURIFY YOU AND READY YOU
FOR WHAT HE'S CALLING YOU TO.
JOSEPH Z: THE ANOINTING THAT GOD, PUT ON OUR LIFE
IS THE POWER TO MOVE
HELL OUT OF THE WAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO.
WE'RE NOT CALLED TO DO WHAT'S POSSIBLE,
WE'RE CALLED TO DO WHAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN GOD SPEAKS SOMETHING,
YOU STAND WITH IT.
REBECCA: YOU'RE BACK.
JOSEPH Z: OH, I'M BACK.
I'M BACK.
IT'S LIKE A SEQUEL.
REBECCA: I HAVE A JOKESTER
WITH ME ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE INTERVIEWED ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE.
SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY LIKE STRAIT-LACED.
JOSEPH Z: THEY'RE LIKE SO ANYWAY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REBECCA: OKAY, SO WELCOME BACK.
JOSEPH Z: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
REBECCA: OKAY.
SO LITERALLY LAST TIME
I INTERVIEWED YOU,
I THINK I WAS PREGNANT.
SO, IT'S LIKE MANY, MANY MONTHS AGO.
JOSEPH Z: IT WAS, YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT YOU WERE TELLING YOUR STORY
AND WE HAD TO CUT IT SHORT BECAUSE SO I WAS LIKE
PLEASE COME BACK.
SO NOW, YOU'RE HERE.
SO WE LEFT OFF WITH JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON
JOSEPH AND HAS AN INCREDIBLE TESTIMONY.
WE'LL LINK HIS VIDEO DOWN BELOW,
SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO CATCH UP TO THIS
PART OF THE STORY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT MIRACULOUSLY SAVED.
JOSEPH Z: YES.
REBECCA: AND BASICALLY, YOU'RE PROPHETIC.
I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU CALL YOURSELF A PROPHET?
JOSEPH Z: I DON'T, BUT SOME MANY PEOPLE HAVE.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S STUCK.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT INTO TITLES, REBECCA.
REBECCA: I LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A GREEN FLAG.
THAT MEANS THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.
A LITTLE GEN Z TALK THERE.
JOSEPH Z: A LITTLE GEN Z TALK.
REBECCA: I'M NOT EVEN GEN Z, OKAY.
ANYWAYS, UM,
BUT CRAZY STORY.
SO MAKE SURE TO CHECK THAT OUT,
BUT WE LEFT OFF WITH YOU'RE IN MINISTRY.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND YOU START SERVING YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW.
JOSEPH Z: RIGHT.
REBECCA: OKAY.
PICK UP THERE.
JOSEPH Z: OKAY.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
LET ME SAY THIS.
YOU'RE ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE.
REBECCA: OH!
JOSEPH Z: BECAUSE THE HAND OF GOD IS SO ON YOU
AND JUST THE WAY
THAT YOU LEAD WITH JOY
AND WHAT YOU DO.
I JUST GOTTA SAY TO ALL YOUR LISTENERS,
AND ALL YOUR VIEWERS,
YOU'RE THE REAL DEAL.
AND I JUST THINK YOU'RE AWESOME.
SO, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON YOUR PODCAST.
REBECCA: WELL, THE FEELING IS MUTUAL.
THANKS FOR COMING BACK.
JOSEPH Z: LET'S GO.
BUT I STARTED SERVING WITH MY FATHER-IN-LAW
WHO WAS A GLOBAL INTERNATIONAL PROPHET,
LIKE HE PROPHESIED EVANDER HOLYFIELD
YOU'RE GOING TO BEAT MIKE TYSON.
REBECCA: REALLY?
JOSEPH Z: YEP.
HE DID A NUMBER OF THINGS WHERE HE WOULD STAND
BEFORE PARLIAMENT AND DIFFERENT NATIONS
AND WE DID STADIUM MEETINGS TOGETHER.
WE DID THE PIT TO THE PALACE TO EVERYTHING
AND HE WAS AWESOME.
I MEAN, HE IS IN HEAVEN TODAY.
BUT HE WAS AWESOME.
THE FIRST TIME
I MET HIM,
HE CAME TO A MEETING THAT I WAS IN AND I'M ABOUT 20
YEARS OLD AND HE WALKS INTO THIS MEETING.
AND IT WAS ON MY BIRTHDAY AND HE COMES INTO THIS MEETING
AND HE CALLS OUT ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE MEETING.
AND WHEN HE STARTED,
HE BEGINS TO PROPHESY AND SPEAK.
AND SUDDENLY, REBECCA, IT WAS LIKE THIS,
THE FIRE ALARMS WENT OFF IN THE ROOM.
THE FIRE ALARMS WENT OFF AND IT WAS A GIANT
GYMNASIUM THAT WE WERE ALL IN.
HE STARTS PROPHESYING THE FIRE ALARMS GO OFF
AND THEY WENT ON AND ON FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES
AND HE KEPT PREACHING AND THE POWER --
REBECCA: WHAT?
JOSEPH Z: YEAH, THE POWER OF GOD WAS SO STRONG,
THE FIRE ALARMS WENT OFF, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
NEVER SHOWED UP.
AND WE'RE IN A SCHOOL GYMNASIUM FOR
THIS CHURCH MEETING.
AND WHEN HE GETS DONE WITH
THAT, NOT DONE, IN THE MIDDLE OF IT,
HE STARTS TO PROPHESY
AND A DEMONIZED LADY JUMPS UP AND STARTS
SCREAMING IN THE MEETING,
SAYING I'M GOING TO
BASICALLY KILL THIS VESSEL AND I'M GOING TO TAKE OUT
THESE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME.
AND I'M GOING TO TAKE
ALL YOU ALL OUT SAYING ALL THIS STUFF.
AND AS THIS IS HAPPENING,
HE WALKS OVER AND HE'S SO UNDER THE POWER OF GOD.
HE LOOKS AT THIS WOMAN AND SAYS BE
QUIET, SIT DOWN, IN 30 DAYS
YOU'LL BE COMPLETELY DELIVERED OF THIS
AND IT WAS A WILD STORY.
ONE THING LEADS TO ANOTHER.
WE FOUND OUT
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF HER
WERE DRIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT DAY AND SAID,
HEY, WE'VE NEVER GONE TO A CHARISMATIC CHURCH BEFORE.
WHY DON'T WE PULL INTO THAT PARKING LOT AND JUST KIND OF SEE
WHAT THEY DO ON SUNDAYS.
REBECCA: OH,
MY GOODNESS.
JOSEPH Z: RIGHT.
SO THIS DEMONIZED LADY JUMPS UP, FIRE ALARMS.
HE'S PROPHESYING TO EVERYBODY.
THERE'S A LADY, A COUPLE SITTING ACROSS THE AISLE.
AS HE'S PROPHESYING TO THIS DEMONIZED WOMAN,
HE WIELDS OVER BECAUSE HE HEARD THEIR THOUGHTS
AND HE LEANS OVER TO THEM AND SAID, LIKE JESUS SAID,
KNOWING THEIR THOUGHTS SAID,
HE WIELDS OVER AND SAYS, WHY WOULD YOU DOUBT
THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD
AND ALL THESE THINGS?
AND THEY STARTED SCREAMING LIKE,
OH, GOD KNOWS OUR THOUGHTS AND IT WAS VERY DRAMATIC.
THEN HE COMES OVER TO ME
AFTER ALL THIS IS GOING ON.
HE COMES OVER TO ME AND HE BEGAN TO PROPHECY
MY LIFE TO ME.
TELLING ME WHAT I'M GOING TO DO,
MY CALLING, MY MANDATE ALL OF IT.
AND THIS IS ON MY 20TH BIRTHDAY.
AND HE REALLY CALLED ME OUT AND SAID THE LORD IS
GOING TO SEND ME AROUND THE NATION, IS GOING TO DO
ALL THIS STUFF.
AND THIS IS ALL HAPPENING AND JUST TO TIE OFF
THE STORY ABOUT THE DEMONIZED LADY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: 30 DAYS LATER,
SHE WAS IN FULL BLOWN MANIFESTATION OF DEMONS.
ALL THIS STUFF WAS HAPPENING.
THE EYEWITNESSES SAID SHE WAS ACTUALLY FLOATING OFF
THIS BED AND CRAZY STUFF LIKE THAT, RIGHT?
I WASN'T THERE.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT ALL I KNOW IS THAT WAS HAPPENING
AND THEN SHE WAS TOTALLY DELIVERED IN THAT MOMENT
TO THE DAY THAT THE PROPHETIC WORD HAPPENED.
AND SHE'S NOW LIKE IN MINISTRY
SOMEWHERE DOING SOMETHING.
SHE WAS TOTALLY SET FREE.
REBECCA: WOW.
JOSEPH Z: SO THERE WAS THIS WILD NARRATIVE
THAT TOOK PLACE.
BUT WHEN HE WAS THERE,
WHEN HE WAS THERE, IT WAS A JUMPSTART
IN MY LIFE WITH THE PROPHETIC.
NOW SINCE I WAS A KID LIKE LAST TIME
WE TALKED, HAD THESE WILD ENCOUNTERS,
WILD EXPERIENCES.
AND THEN WHEN I MET THIS MAN,
IT JUST TOOK OFF TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN ANY
CIRCUMSTANCE OR FAMILY,
WE GOT GOOD.
WE GOT BAD.
WE GOT STUFF.
EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT STUFF.
AND AS I WAS DOING THIS,
HE TOOK ME AROUND THE WORLD, THOUGH.
WE LEARNED THE PROPHETIC.
I LEARNED A LOT OF WHAT NOT TO DO,
AND I LEARNED WHAT TO DO.
AND I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW,
I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THE PROPHETIC
BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE CRAZY STUFF I'D SEEN.
REBECCA: YEAH, I CAN RELATE TO THAT.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH, NOT NECESSARILY WITH HIM,
BUT JUST KIND OF WITH THE WHOLE MOVEMENT IN GENERAL.
SO I SHUNNED IT, EVEN THOUGH I HAD THIS POWERFUL GIFT
WORKING IN MY LIFE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO AMPLIFY THAT BECAUSE I FELT LIKE
IT WAS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO THE WORD OF GOD,
TEACHING THE WORD, GETTING PEOPLE AWAKE IN THE WORD,
WHICH IS SO VITAL.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT,
YOU'RE GOING TO GO OFF THE RAILS PROPHETICALLY.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT TIMEFRAME,
I BELIEVE, GOD TENURED ME, REALLY WORKED ON ME,
CHISELED ON ME.
AND I WENT AROUND THE WORLD AND SAW HOW
A PROPHETIC MINISTRY SHOULD OPERATE
WITH LEADERS AND GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIALS
AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND SO SINCE THAT TIME,
WE'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE FROM THE CHURCH TO THE PIT TO THE PALACE
WITH, YOU KNOW, ROCKSTARS AND LEADERS ON
THEIR BUSES PROPHESYING TO THEM AND THEN JUST ALL THE
WAY DOWN TO JUST SMALL HOME GROUPS
WHERE WE MINISTERED TO PEOPLE.
SOMETIMES WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, ALL
THAT STUFF, BUT IT ALL STARTED BECAUSE OF THIS
MAN OF GOD REALLY CALLING ME OUT IN A MEETING
AND THEN I WENT ON A JOURNEY WITH HIM.
AND I MET HIS
DAUGHTER IN THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, HEATHER, HEATHER'S BEEN HERE
AND HEATHER IS AMAZING.
REBECCA: SHE IS.
JOSEPH Z: SHE IS AMAZING.
REBECCA: WE LOVE HER.
JOSEPH Z: OH, MY GOSH.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE NUTSHELL OF IT.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS
I LEARNED IN PROPHECY IS YOU'VE GOT TO BE ROOTED
IN THAT WORD OF GOD.
YOU KNOW, IT SAYS IN FIRST CORINTHIANS 4:6,
LEARN FROM US,
PAUL SAID, TO NOT GO BEYOND
WHAT IS WRITTEN.
AND I'D SEEN SO MUCH PROPHETIC
EXPERIENCE WHERE PEOPLE GO BEYOND
WHAT IS WRITTEN.
THEY MAKE UP SENSATIONAL THINGS
BECAUSE IT GETS AN AUDIENCE.
THEY MAKE UP SENSATIONAL EXPERIENCES BECAUSE IT
GETS PEOPLE DRAWN TO THEM.
BUT WHAT WE GOT TO DO IS
HAVE PROPHETIC INTEGRITY.
AND SO I JUST GOTTA SAY IT, REBECCA.
ONE OF THE THINGS
I'VE LEARNED THROUGH THE PROPHETIC IS WE NEED A
BETTER HERMENEUTIC AND THAT'S
A BIG OLE WORD, RIGHT?
HERMENEUTIC.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
REBECCA: I TOOK HERMENEUTICS IN SCHOOL.
JOSEPH Z: YES, YOU DID,
THAT'S RIGHT.
THE ART AND SCIENCE OF INTERPRETATION.
AND WITH PROPHECY, ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED IS THAT WE NEED
A BETTER FORM OF INTERPRETATION.
WE KNOW THERE'S A REVELATION.
MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THAT,
THE REVELATION OF GOD.
OH, MY GOODNESS, MUFASA.
I FEEL SOMETHING, RIGHT?
I SEE SOMETHING,
BUT THEN THERE COMES INTERPRETATION.
AND WE'VE GOT TO GET TO THE POINT OF APPLICATION.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A BETTER WAY
TO WORK OUT THESE EXPERIENCES.
WE ALL KNOW LIKE IN 2020,
FOR EXAMPLE, WONDERFUL PROPHETIC VOICES RELEASED
A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONTRADICTORY WORDS.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS SO MANY
OF THEM SEEM LIKE THEY
WERE CONTENDING AND FIGHTING ONE ANOTHER
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING THIS WAY.
IT'S GOING THAT WAY.
HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.
HE'S THE AUTHOR OF PEACE, BUT MANY TIMES
WE GET A REVELATION,
WE NEED TO PROPERLY INTERPRET IT
AND THEN COME TO GOOD APPLICATION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT GOOD APPLICATION IS?
IT'S JUST SIMPLY WHERE WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE SKILLS
AND WE USE EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE.
WE ACTUALLY USE THE INTELLECT
GOD GAVE US TO NOT HURT PEOPLE,
BUT BRING THEM TO A PLACE OF A SATISFYING END TO
WHAT GOD'S CALLED THEM TO DO OR BRING THEM TO A
CONCLUSION THAT THE LORD HAS LED THEM TO.
INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING SOME OTHER MYSTICAL EUPHORIC GOOFBALL
TYPE OF RESPONSE TO THINGS,
WE NEED, WE NEED RESULTS.
PEOPLE NEED RESULTS.
YOU KNOW THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST,
BOTH THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD DESERVE TO SEE SOMETHING.
THEY DESERVE TO SEE MATURE BELIEVERS.
AND MATURE BELIEVERS ARE THOSE
THAT THEY EXERCISE THEIR SENSES.
HEBREWS 5:14 SAYS THAT THE REASON OF USE WHEN THEY
EXERCISE THEIR SENSES,
THEY BIRTH DISCERNMENT.
THEY WALK IN A POSITION OF
I KNOW WHAT IS GOOD,
AND I KNOW WHAT IS EVIL.
AND IT'S NOT BASED ON
EMOTIONAL SENSATIONALISM
OR CHARGED CIRCUMSTANCES.
RATHER WE KNOW THE TRUTH OF A MATTER BECAUSE WE'RE
SO ROOTED IN THE WORD OF GOD THAT WE JUDGE
OURSELVES FIRST AND THEN WE BEGIN TO WALK
IN THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
I'LL TELL YOU,
THAT'S -- THAT'S WHERE THE REAL RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD.
AND SO THESE ARE THINGS I LEARNED IN THE PROCESS,
BUT IT WAS A LONG JOURNEY FOR ME.
IT REALLY WAS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT ON YOUR LIFE TOO
BECAUSE YOU HAVE SUCH A PROPHETIC SENSE OF THINGS.
YOU'RE SO EMPATHETIC.
YOU'RE SO JOYFUL.
YOU BRING SUCH LIFE TO PEOPLE,
REBECCA, THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD
JUST FLOWS OUT OF YOU.
AND, YOU KNOW,
I JUST BELIEVE GOD MAKES YOU MORE AND MORE,
YOU'RE STEPPING INTO THIS GATEKEEPING ANOINTING
AND I BELIEVE GOD'S GOING TO ELEVATE YOU,
ELEVATE YOUR LIFE.
ELEVATE THE TORCH THAT YOU'RE HOLDING IN YOUR
HAND BECAUSE GOD IS SO PLEASED WITH YOU.
YOU HAVE SUCH A SENSE OF AUTHORITY ON YOUR LIFE
AND YOU'RE GROWING INTO THAT MORE AND MORE.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY FUN TO BE A PART OF YOUR PODCAST BECAUSE
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LIVE THROUGH THIS THING.
I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE NOT AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT REAL
THINGS AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REALLY BREAK
THROUGH FROM IT.
REBECCA: AMEN.
I RECEIVE THAT.
THANK YOU.
JOSEPH Z: YOU'RE WELCOME, MA'AM.
REBECCA: MAN, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS
I COULD TAKE DIRECTIONS.
I COULD GO OFF OF THAT.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS -- ONE THING THAT I
WANT TO -- THE FIRST THING
I WANT TO HIT ON IS THIS.
JOSEPH Z: SURE.
REBECCA: YOU WENT THROUGH
A VERY INTENSIVE PROCESS.
JOSEPH Z: I DID.
REBECCA: AND THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.
JOSEPH Z: IT IS.
REBECCA: FOR THOSE WHO ARE CALLED...
JOSEPH Z: OH, MAN.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS GOD CHASTISES
THOSE HE LOVES.
JOSEPH Z: IT'S TRUE.
REBECCA: AND I'M GOING THROUGH THE BOOK OF
JOB RIGHT NOW AND I'M, I'M FINALLY ABLE I THINK TO
GLEAN FROM THAT BOOK.
THAT BOOK MADE NO SENSE TO ME
MY WHOLE LIFE, BUT GOD WAS TESTING JOB AND HE WAS
PREPARING HIM FOR WHAT WAS TO COME.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND IF GOD REALLY LOVES US,
HE WILL TEST US SO THAT WE CAN HANDLE WHAT HE'S
CALLING US TO EVEN BLESSING AND, YOU KNOW,
AND ONE OF THIS --
I'M ABOUT TO HAVE THIS GUY ON NAMED DALE MAST.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
HE SAID WAS IF YOU WANT TO RUIN SOMEONE'S LIFE,
HAVE THEM WIN THE LOTTERY.
JOSEPH Z: OH, THAT'S TRUE.
REBECCA: WHEN SOMEONE JUST WALKS STRAIGHT
INTO A HUGE BLESSING,
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT.
JOSEPH Z: IT'S TRUE.
REBECCA: SAME WITH PLATFORMS,
SAME WITH INFLUENCE, SAME WITH ANYTHING.
AND QUITE FRANKLY,
WE DON'T SERVE GOD TO GET THOSE THINGS.
WE SERVE GOD
NO MATTER WHAT AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF TIMES
THOSE WHO AREN'T SEEKING THE PLATFORM ARE THE ONES
THAT GOD ELEVATES TO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PEOPLE --
IT'S PEOPLE WHO WANT HIM AND HIM TO BE GLORIFIED.
JOSEPH Z: SO GOOD.
REBECCA: BUT IT'S THROUGH THE TESTING
THAT GOD PREPARES US FOR THAT.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: SO YOU WENT THROUGH A LONG TIME.
JOSEPH Z: OH, MAN, WELL, GOD, NEVER DOES
THESE THINGS TO KILL YOU.
HE NEVER DOES THESE THINGS
TO DESTROY YOU, PRUNING ANYTHING.
LET'S TAKE JOB, FOR EXAMPLE.
JOB WENT THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF.
BUT, LISTEN, WHEN PEOPLE SAY I'M GOING THROUGH
A JOB'S TRIAL, OKAY.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
YOU GO THROUGH A JOB'S TRIAL,
WELL, THEN YOU BETTER COME OUT WITH
A JOB BLESSING AT THE END.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: YOU BETTER HAVE A MULTIPLIER ON YOU
AT THE END.
GOD DOESN'T DO THESE THINGS TO KILL YOU.
PERSECUTION AND TRIALS
DON'T COME TO BETTER YOU, THEY CAN.
BUT HE DOESN'T SEND THEM TO BETTER YOU.
THE DEVIL SENDS THEM TO KILL YOU, TO RIP THE WORD
OF GOD OUT OF YOUR LIFE.
BUT WHEN YOU RECOGNIZE THIS IS COMING TO STEAL
THE WORD OUT OF MY LIFE.
THIS IS WHY TRIALS COME.
THEY DON'T BETTER YOU,
BUT GOD DOES DISCIPLINE BY HIS WORD, RIGHT?
SO WHEN WE BEGIN TO GET DISCIPLINED UNDER
THE MIGHTY HAND OF GOD,
IT'S SO THAT HE CAN BETTER US.
PRUNING COMES TO MULTIPLY US.
BUT LIKE YOU JUST SAID, IF YOU'RE NOT --
IF YOU'RE NOT TEMPERED UP WITH THAT,
IT'LL KILL YOU.
IT'LL DESTROY YOU.
BUT WHEN THE TIME COMES
AND YOU'VE BEEN TEMPERED AND YOU DON'T FAINT
IN THE DAY OF ADVERSITY.
YOUR STRENGTH IS NOT SMALL.
YOU DON'T SHRINK BACK.
YOU'RE THE RIGHTEOUS ONE LEANS INTO WHAT GOD'S
CALLING THEM TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME, REBECCA.
I WAS IN A SEASON,
WE STARTED PLANTING CHURCHES
ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I HAD A TEAM OF ABOUT 40 PEOPLE WITH A TV CREW
THAT WENT WITH ME EVERYWHERE.
WE WERE PROPHESYING AND PREACHING
EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK.
AND I WAS DODGING THE PROPHETIC LABEL.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU'RE A PROPHET.
I'M LIKE I'M A PASTOR.
I'M A TEACHER.
I HAVE DIGNITY.
I'M NOT CRAZY, RIGHT?
REBECCA: IT'S BEEN SO RARE --
I THINK PEOPLE IN THE PROPHETIC THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW,
SO MANY OF THEM GO SOUTH.
THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER CONVERSATION.
SO THAT'S WHY --
JOSEPH Z: WELL, I JUST FIGURED
I COULD HAVE GOT A REAL HUGE FOLLOWING IF I HAD POPPED
AN ALKA-SELTZER AND SHAKE A LITTLE BIT.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE HE'S DROOLING.
WOW, IT'S AMAZING.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: NO, BUT I WENT THROUGH ALL THE STUFF
AND I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THE LORD CALLED ME.
AND THEN RIGHT AT THE HEIGHT
OF SOME VERY SERIOUS SUCCESS,
WE HAD STADIUM MEETINGS BOOKED
IN DIFFERENT NATIONS.
I HAD THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING.
I WAS THE HEADLINER, EVERYTHING'S PAID FOR.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: WE WERE GOING TO GO.
AND THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD MET ME
IN THE MOUNTAINS OF COLORADO.
AND HE SAID, SON, YOU CAN GO ON THIS TRIP AND I'M GOING
TO BLESS IT BECAUSE MY WORD WILL NOT RETURN VOID.
BUT HERE'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO.
I WANT YOU TO SIT DOWN AND MINISTER TO YOUR FAMILY.
I WANT YOU TO MINISTER TO YOUR KIDS AND YOUR WIFE
BECAUSE WE RAN FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS.
WE NEVER TOOK A VACATION.
NEVER TOOK A BREAK.
NEVER DID ANYTHING.
REBECCA: OH.
JOSEPH Z: AND, YOU KNOW, HEATHER ON THAT TIME
IS ON DIALYSIS.
SHE'S DYING, ALL THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
SHE HAD A HEREDITARY KIDNEY FAILURE DOUBLE.
SHE, YOU KNOW, CAME BACK FROM THAT.
THANK GOD.
SHE GOT A MIRACLE TRANSPLANT AFTER A FEW
YEARS OF DIALYSIS.
OUR SON HAD AUTISM.
WE HAD ALL THIS STUFF.
WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER.
OUR DAUGHTER ALSO
HAD THIS HEREDITARY KIDNEY ISSUE,
ALMOST KILLED HER.
SHE GOT A SURGERY.
SHE CAME THROUGH IT, ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL KINDS OF PERSECUTION,
CRISIS AND CRAZY STUFF.
AT THE VERY END OF IT,
I'M IN THE MOUNTAINS.
THE LORD SAYS SIT DOWN.
I THOUGHT HE MEANT FOR LIKE THIS TRIP.
AND SO I KNOW ONE THING ABOUT THE LORD.
IF WE DO THE DIFFICULT,
HE WILL DO THE IMPOSSIBLE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN HE'S TALKING TO US.
IF WE WILL DO THE DIFFICULT WHEN HE'S
SPEAKING TO US, HE'S ABOUT
TO DO THE IMPOSSIBLE,
IF YOU CAN HANG IN THERE.
SO I DID I SAID OKAY.
REBECCA: THAT'S A GOOD WORD.
JOSEPH Z: THANK YOU, PRAISE GOD.
I SAID, LORD, IF THAT'S THE CASE,
THEN I'M GOING TO LAY IT DOWN.
AND I REMEMBER THEY ASKED ME WHY AREN'T YOU COMING?
BECAUSE I SAID, I CAN'T COME.
WHY AREN'T YOU COMING?
I SAID, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST KNOW THAT I CAN'T COME.
AND IT WAS A VERY BIG EVENT.
LATER, A BUNCH OF MY FRIENDS DID IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF MAIN SPEAKERS, WELL-KNOWN
SPEAKERS THAT TOOK THESE EVENTS LATER.
I SAT DOWN AND THE SPIRIT
OF THE LORD SPOKE TO ME AND SAID,
I JUST WANT YOU TO REALLY FOCUS ON ME.
A YEAR WENT BY, OKAY.
NOW WE HAD PARTNERS.
WE HAD PEOPLE FOLLOWING US AND I LET IT ALL GO.
REBECCA: WOW.
JOSEPH Z: IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT.
I LET IT ALL GO.
AND I'D LIKE TO SAY,
I WAS JUST IN PEACE AND I'M HANGING OUT.
OH, HALLELUJAH.
NO, I WAS LIKE WHAT AM I DOING?
I GOTTA GET GOING.
I TRIED --
REBECCA: THAT'S FAITH THOUGH.
IT'S NOT ALL KUMBAYA.
IT'S LIKE YOU CAN HAVE PEACE IN YOUR SPIRIT,
BUT IN YOUR MIND,
YOU'RE LIKE LOGISTICALLY
HOW IS THIS GOING TO PAN OUT?
THE MIND WANTS TO UNDERSTAND,
BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK INTO THE UNKNOWN
AND FOLLOW HIS LEADING.
JOSEPH Z: OH, IT'S TRUE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW GOD LEADS,
HE WANTS TO BE TRUSTED.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: GOD'S GOT THIS THING ABOUT BEING BELIEVED.
HE JUST DOES.
HE'S KIND OF GOT AN ISSUE WITH IT.
IF YOU BELIEVE HIM, BOY, HE CAN TRUST YOU.
IF YOU DON'T,
AND YOU BUILD IT ON YOUR OWN EFFORTS,
IF YOU BUILD WHAT YOU'RE DOING
ON YOUR OWN STRENGTH,
YOU KNOW, THAT TIES INTO MAMMON WHERE IT'S SELF-BUILT,
SELF-MADE ALL THAT.
IT'S THE OPPOSITE.
IT'S ACTUALLY ANTI-CHRIST...
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: WHEN YOU TRY TO BUILD YOURSELF.
AND SO I'M IN THIS PLACE
THREE YEARS LATER.
OKAY, NEARLY TWO AND HALF, THREE YEARS.
REBECCA: WOW.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH, I'M SITTING THERE
AND I'LL NEVER FORGET
I FINALLY CAME TO THE POINT WHERE I REALIZED.
MAYBE GOD DOESN'T WANT ME IN MINISTRY, YOU KNOW,
I WOULD PRAY.
I WOULD DO THINGS.
I DID LITTLE THINGS HERE AND THERE.
BUT I WAS PRAYING ONE MORNING.
AND THIS IS KIND OF FUNNY RIGHT BEFORE
THE LORD SPOKE TO ME.
I HAD THIS REALIZATION.
I'M READING EPHESIANS 4:11 AND 12 AND ABOUT HOW
THE FIVEFOLD MINISTRY IS CALLED TO EDIFY
AND EQUIP THE SAINTS.
THIS IS GOING TO SOUND FUNNY.
BUT WHEN I HEARD THIS,
I SAID, LORD, I GET IT.
MINISTRY IS ABOUT PEOPLE.
IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT BUILDING THINGS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS.
IT'S NOT --
IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE.
AND THE LORD SPOKE TO ME AND SAID,
I CAN TRUST YOU WHEN YOU LET ME LOVE MY PEOPLE THROUGH YOU
AS OPPOSED TO YOU JUST PROPHESYING TO
LIKE A THOUSAND PEOPLE AT A TIME OR MINISTERING TO
A FEW HUNDRED OR EVEN TEN PEOPLE
JUST ONE AFTER ANOTHER.
WHEN YOU WILL LET ME LOVE THEM THROUGH YOU,
NOW YOU'RE DOING THE GOSPEL.
NOW YOU'RE DOING
WHY I GAVE YOU THIS GIFT.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK
PROPHECY IS HERE TO REBUKE AND CALL STUFF OUT
AND DO STUFF.
THAT'S PART OF IT.
BUT REALLY EPHESIANS 4:11 AND 12,
IT'S FOR EDIFYING AND EQUIPPING THE SAINTS.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
SO HERE I AM IN THE MOUNTAINS, RIGHT?
I'M SITTING THERE AND I JUST STARTED TO PRAY.
AND I THOUGHT, LORD,
MAYBE YOU'RE CALLING ME TO GO INTO BUSINESS.
I'M GONNA SHOW CHRISTIANS HOW TO REALLY GIVE.
I'M GOING TO SHOW THESE PREACHERS,
I'M TO SHOW BUSINESS PEOPLE
HOW GIVING IS DONE, THAT'S WHAT GOD'S CALLING ME TO DO.
BUT I'M IN THIS PLACE AND THEN THE LORD MET ME.
SOMEBODY HAD SENT ME A MESSAGE.
I'M LISTENING TO SOME TEACHING.
AND FOR THE THIRD TIME
IN MY LIFE AND I'VE HAD THIS
A FEW TIMES, THREE TIMES TOTAL,
THE LORD MET WITH ME SO DRAMATICALLY, REBECCA.
I'M THERE IN MY TRUCK
AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD FLOODS THE VEHICLE.
IT WAS SO PALPABLE.
I THOUGHT HE WAS SITTING IN THE SEAT NEXT TO ME.
I COULDN'T EVEN LOOK OVER THERE
AND THE POWER OF GOD WAS SO PALPABLE.
AND THEN HIS VOICE SAID TO ME,
YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE CALLED YOU TO DO.
NOW I'M CALLING YOU TO START BROADCASTING EVERY DAY.
I'M CALLING IT A GO LIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, GET AFTER IT,
AND THAT IS WHEN HE CALLED ME INTO THE OFFICE GIFT,
AND I STARTED TO YELL AND SCREAM
BECAUSE I WAS NOT THRILLED ABOUT IT.
REBECCA: OH, NOT HAPPY YELL.
JOSEPH Z: I WASN'T HAPPY.
I -- WHEN I -- IT WAS MAINLY BECAUSE
THE POWER OF GOD HIT ME.
BUT I ALSO, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A GRIEVING
OR LIKE A FORM OF EMOTIONAL --
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT DELIVERANCE,
BUT SOMETHING, I JUST NEEDED TO RELEASE IT UNDER
THE LORD, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GO
DOWN THE AVENUE OF PROPHECY.
I DIDN'T WANT THE TITLE OF PROPHET.
I THINK ANYBODY THAT CRAVES THAT TITLE IS CRAZY.
REBECCA: YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A HARD CALL.
JOSEPH Z: IT IS A HARD CALL.
REBECCA: LOOK AT ALL THE PROPHETS IN THE BIBLE.
THEY HAD IT SO HARD.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK LIKE THERE'S A VERSION OF IT
TODAY WHERE IT'S LIKE SENSATIONAL, THE PEOPLE
GETTING ALL THE VIEWS AND THE CLICKS,
BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE OFFICE OF A PROPHET.
JOSEPH Z: NO.
REBECCA: NO, IT'S A HARD ROAD.
THE PROPHETS IN THE BIBLE WERE PERSECUTED
AND HATED LIKE, YOU KNOW.
I THINK EVEN JOHN THE BAPTIST.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, JEREMIAH, ISAIAH.
I REMEMBER RESEARCHING HOW THESE MEN PASSED AND I
MEAN, THEY WERE SOME OF THEM WERE MARTYRED.
THEY WERE KILLED.
JOSEPH Z: IT WAS BRUTAL.
REBECCA: I MEAN, ONE OF THEM WAS SAWED IN HALF.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: I THINK IN A TREE OR SOMETHING CRAZY.
IT'S CRAZY.
JEREMIAH WAS EXILED.
I THINK HE WAS STONED TO DEATH.
SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S A WHOLE SIDE BAR.
BUT NO, IT'S -- YOU WERE SAYING, THOUGH,
SO YOU HAVE THIS ENCOUNTER AND GOD'S CALLING YOU.
JOSEPH Z: YES, MA'AM.
REBECCA: AND YOU'RE COMING TO TERMS.
SO KEEP GOING.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH, SO I'M COMING TO TERMS WITH IT,
BUT THE WHOLE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, IS GOD CALLED ME.
AND HE SAID I WANT YOU TO DO
WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO,
GO WHERE I TELL YOU TO GO, AND STAND WITH WHO I TELL YOU
TO STAND WITH BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE.
THAT'S HOW WINNING IS DONE.
AND SO THERE'S TIMES
PROPHETICALLY I KNOW TO DO THINGS
AND I KNOW WHO TO STAND WITH.
AND THE REASON IS
BECAUSE WHEN GOD MARKS SOMETHING,
THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT
POPULAR OPINION SAYS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY.
WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD SAYS IS WHAT MATTERS.
AND IF YOU'RE IN A PROPHETIC FLOW,
YOU CAN DISCERN THAT.
YOU CAN SEE IT AND YOU CAN SEE
ALL THE NUANCES OF WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.
AND THROUGH THAT, GOD ALMIGHTY WILL BRING YOU
TO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THERE'S MANY PEOPLE AND MANY
CALLINGS AND MANY ANOINTINGS AND MANY
PLATFORMS THAT NEED A TRUE PROPHETIC VOICE
TO HELP THEM
USHER IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD OVER THE VALLEY
TO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND WHEN THAT BEGINS TO HAPPEN,
GOD WILL SAY I WILL DO A GREATER WORK WITH YOU THAN
I DID IN THE BEGINNING.
THE LATTER HOUSE WILL BE GREATER THAN
THE FORMER HOUSE.
AND WHAT BEGINS TO HAPPEN IS THESE TRIALS
AND TRIBULATIONS COME TO DESTROY AND PROPHETS COME
ALONGSIDE TO NOT ONLY HELP AND EQUIP,
BUT THEY ENCOURAGE UNTIL YOU GET
TO THE PLACE OF DESTINATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT GOD CALLED ME TO DO.
AND I KNOW THAT I STAND WITH PEOPLE AND I'M CALLED TO
DO IT REGARDLESS OF
WHAT POPULAR OPINION IS.
REGARDLESS WHAT PEOPLE THINK OR SAY.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN
GOD SPEAKS SOMETHING,
YOU STAND WITH IT
BECAUSE GOD HAS CALLED IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO LEARN
THROUGH THESE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS.
I HAD EPIC AMOUNTS OF PERSECUTION.
THINGS THAT WERE JUST
IT CAME UP AND THEN IT WAS STRUCK DOWN AS NOTHING
AND SHOCKING TO A LEVEL THAT WAS SHOCKING.
THINGS THAT I JUST,
I GOT TASTES OF THINGS, THINGS THAT THE LORD
SHOWED ME ABOUT AND PAIN AND HOW TO, HOW TO
BEAR PAIN IN THE PROPHETIC,
HOW TO SEE LEADERS BEAR
PAIN AND SEE THEM GO TO WHERE THEY'RE CALLED TO BE.
BECAUSE THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY WANTS US TO STAND
UP UNDER ADVERSITY AND THE DEVIL WANTS TO COME
AND STEAL, KILL, AND DESTROY.
AND PEOPLE SOMETIMES THEY PARTNER WITH THE DEVIL.
I FOUND THIS TO BE THE THING.
SOMETIMES, WELL, I'LL SAY IT THIS WAY.
THE EARLY CHURCH, THE DEVIL COULDN'T BEAT
THE EARLY CHURCH.
SO HE DID THE NEXT BEST THING.
HE JOINED IT.
HE JOINED IT WITH PEOPLE'S OPINION.
HE JOINED IT THROUGH THE WAY PEOPLE CONVERSED
ALL THAT STUFF.
AND HE GOT THROUGH PEOPLE THAT ARE
WEAK IN HEART, WEAK IN MIND.
AND THEY WALK THAT PATHWAY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: PROPHETS.
REBECCA: AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME.
JOSEPH Z: PROPHETS BRING ORDER TO THAT.
REBECCA: ME AND MY HUSBAND.
JOSEPH Z: THEY BRING ORDER TO IT.
AND I HAD TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT TO BEGIN TO DISCOVER THIS.
SO I'LL TELL YOU, IT WAS A VERY HARD ROAD.
SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR.
BUT EVER SINCE I WAS NINE YEARS OLD,
WHEN HE CALLED ME AUDIBLY,
THEN TO THE POINT WHEN I WAS 20.
AND THE SPIRIT OF
GOD CALLED ME OUT AT THAT MEETING WITH, YOU KNOW,
DEMONS COMING OUT, STUFF'S GOING WILD.
AND THEN I WENT
ON THIS 15 TO 20 YEAR JOURNEY TRAVELING, CARRYING
PROPHETS BAGS, SERVING, STANDING IN MEETINGS.
YOU KNOW, TRAVELING THE WORLD
AND IT WAS A REALLY INTENSE TIME.
BUT I LEARNED, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WHAT NOT TO DO.
AND WHAT NOT TO DO IS MORE IMPORTANT
SOMETIMES THAN KNOWING WHAT TO DO.
AND WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS
YOU DON'T PARTNER WITH DARKNESS.
YOU DON'T FALL INTO UNBELIEF.
YOU DON'T ATTACK.
YOU DON'T DO ALL THESE THINGS.
YOU STAND ON THE WORD
OF GOD, BECAUSE JESUS IS HEAD OF THE CHURCH.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT AS A PROPHETIC VOICE,
HE CAN EMPOWER YOU AND HE CAN TRUST YOU TO BE
A STEWARD OF HIS WORD.
A COURIER AND CARRIER OF HIS
PRESENCE TO HELP PEOPLE GET WHERE THEY'RE CALLED TO BE.
AND A LOT OF PROPHETIC PEOPLE TODAY TO
YOUR POINT EARLIER, IT'S SO GOOD
WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, IS MANY PEOPLE TODAY
THEY HAVE A VOICE THROUGH, THROUGH ALL KINDS OF, YOU
KNOW, PLATFORMS, MEDIUMS WHATEVER AND THEY SAY ALL
KINDS OF STUFF AND IT'S ALMOST A SENSATIONALISM
THAT TODAY IS ABSOLUTELY ANTI-CHRIST IN NATURE.
BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE SO MUCH NOISE,
THE PURITY OF WHAT THE LORD IS REALLY SAYING CAN
GET CAUGHT UP IN THE WATERFALL AND RAGING NOISE
OF THE MASSES.
AND THIS IS THE TIME WHERE WE'VE GOT TO PUT OUR EAR
TO THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
WE'VE GOT TO QUIET OURSELVES AND BEGIN TO
HEAR WHAT THE LORD IS REALLY SAYING TO THE CHURCH.
WHEN YOU READ REVELATION
CHAPTER ONE, TWO AND THREE,
AND YOU SEE THE SEVEN CHURCHES,
JESUS IS STILL SPEAKING.
HE'S STILL SPEAKING
JUST LIKE THAT.
AND PROPHETS BRING THAT,
BUT I'LL TELL YOU,
I'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS START HAPPENING.
ONCE THE LORD BEGIN TO TRUST ME IN THIS AREA,
HE ALLOWED ME TO RELEASE DREAMS
I WOULD SEE.
SO I WOULD SEE DREAMS
BEFORE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW,
I'D SEE AN ISLAND EXPLODING FOR EXAMPLE
AND THEN GO LIVE ON THE BROADCAST.
AND SAY MY GOODNESS,
I SEE THIS ISLAND
EXPLODING, SOMETHING'S HAPPENING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS BOMBED OR IF IT WAS VOLCANIC.
AND THEN I REMEMBER TWO DAYS LATER,
THE TONGA VOLCANO EXPLODED OR I WOULD SEE THE TRUCKER
UPRISING THAT HAPPENED IN CANADA.
AND I PROPHESIED THAT BEFORE IT HAPPENED.
WE PROPHESIED ROE V. WADE WOULD BE OVERTURNED IN 2020.
WE PROPHESIED THAT BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF
THE LORD SHOWED IT TO US.
AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN,
I KEEP SEEING THESE THINGS
AND THE LORD SENDS ME ON ASSIGNMENTS.
BUT I BELIEVE ALL OF THAT IS ONLY DISCOVERED WHEN
YOU CONTINUE WHAT GOD'S CALLED YOU TO DO AND GOD'S
NOT IN A HURRY AND PEOPLE SAY, LORD, USE MY LIFE.
CAN I PROPHESY?
CAN I STEP IN ALL THESE THINGS?
USE ME, USE ME, USE ME, AND ALL THE LORD
IS SAYING TO YOU IS SURE.
JUST GET USABLE.
GET USABLE.
REBECCA: BE TRUSTWORTHY.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
IF YOU'LL SUBMIT AND COMMIT, HE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH YOU.
LESS OF YOU MORE OF HIM.
AND THAT MEANS YOU GOT TO HEAR HIS VOICE AND NOT
WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
AND I'LL TELL YOU
IN THE WORLD
WE'RE IN TODAY,
IT'S SO EASY TO GO WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
YOU NEED TO GET LOW TO THE GROUND,
GET IN THE WORD OF GOD.
GET IN THE SPIRIT, PRAY IN TONGUES FOR HOURS
AND REALLY READ THAT BIBLE UNTIL IT STARTS TALKING
BACK TO YOU.
YOU READ THE BIBLE UNTIL IT STARTS TALKING BACK TO YOU
AND IT WILL RIGHTSIZE ANY PROPHETIC GIFT,
ANY OF THEM.
I HAVE A LOT OF PROPHETIC PEOPLE,
IF I WERE SAYING NAMES,
EVERYBODY WOULD PROBABLY KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BUT A LOT OF THEM REACH OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE
LOOKING FOR MENTORSHIP RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AM
I REALLY HEARING GOD CLEARLY?
AM I OKAY?
AND I FIND A LOT OF PROPHETIC PEOPLE.
AND I LOVE PROPHETS SO MUCH.
I FIND A LOT OF THEM ARE
VERY UNSTABLE ON THE INSIDE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: VERY UNSTABLE
AND HIGHLY GIFTED.
I MEAN, WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT
ARE VERY UNSTABLE ON THE INSIDE.
I'VE VISITED PEOPLE IN MENTAL HOSPITALS THAT USED
TO BE PROPHETS OR PEOPLE THAT HEARD GOD SO MUCH
THAT THEY LOST THEIR MIND.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF
WE WILL DRIVE OUR SOUL AND WE'LL DRIVE OUR EMOTIONS
INTO THE WORD OF GOD,
WE CAN RIGHTSIZE THIS STUFF TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT I
BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE HOUR
WHERE THIS GENERATION IS.
SO I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT
THIS PODCAST BECAUSE THIS GENERATION REALLY HAS
A RESPONSIBILITY TO RIGHTSIZE THESE THINGS AND I BELIEVE
WE CAN SEE THE MOST POTENT POWERFUL FORM OF PROPHECY
WE'VE EVER SEEN.
AND IT'LL BE CLEAR-EYED, CLEAR-MINDED
ON THE BEDROCK OF THE WORD OF GOD AND THEN IT'LL GET
RESULTS IN PEOPLE'S LIVES INSTEAD OF THE NONSENSE.
YOU KNOW, AND BY NONSENSE,
I MEAN, ALL THE FLASHY WHATEVER THAT GOES WITH IT.
IT'S TIME TO JUST GET RESULTS AND THEN BE HUMBLE
AND GET ACCOUNTABILITY AND WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS
THAT BRINGS LIFE TO PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I
LEARNED IN THE JOURNEY AND I GOT A GREAT WIFE.
I GOT GREAT KIDS.
YOU KNOW, MY KIDS ACTUALLY WANT TO BE IN MINISTRY WITH ME.
IT'S SHOCKING AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THESE
THINGS TOGETHER, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD
HAS REALLY CALLED US ON THIS JOURNEY.
WE PAID THE PRICE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE CALL THAT MANY PEOPLE
ARE CALLED TO.
SO IF YOU'RE A PROPHET AND YOU'RE
LISTENING RIGHT NOW,
IF YOU'RE HERE LISTENING TO
THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST,
I WANT TO SAY TO YOU, AND YOU
FEEL A CALL TO THE PROPHETIC,
WELL, GOD WANTS YOU TO BE CLEAR-EYED, CLEAR-MINDED.
YOU CAN GET RID OF THE GOOFY AND YOU CAN START
GETTING RESULTS, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.
IT'S ABOUT JESUS AND THE MORE THAT YOU SURRENDER TO THAT,
I'LL TELL YOU, IT'S GOING TO BE POWERFUL.
REBECCA: AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN KNOW THAT,
BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN
AND LIVE IT AND THAT TAKES TIME AND TESTING.
JOSEPH Z: IT DOES.
REBECCA: AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT YOUR JOURNEY
WHERE YOU TOOK THAT THREE YEAR BREAK
BASICALLY THAT JOURNEY OF FAITH,
GOD WAS STRIPPING DOWN ALL THOSE YEARS OF EVERYTHING
YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW AND BRINGING YOU
TO THE BARE BONES...
JOSEPH Z: IT'S SO TRUE.
REBECCA: IN THAT PLACE.
AND THEN WHEN THE TIME WAS, WHEN YOU WERE READY,
HE GOES, OKAY,
YOU'RE READY NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GO.
BUT YOU HAD TO TRUST
GOD THAT IF YOU GAVE EVERYTHING UP,
HE COULD RESTORE IT
BACK TO YOU, BUT IN THE PROCESS YOU LEARNED
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MINISTRY.
IT'S ABOUT HIM.
IF I HAVE HIM,
I HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED.
IN THE PROCESS,
HE REVITALIZED AND BROUGHT YOUR FAMILY CLOSER
TOGETHER, BECAUSE IF YOU WOULD HAVE RAN JUST HARD,
YOUR FAMILY WOULD HAVE FALLEN APART.
JOSEPH Z: IT WOULD HAVE.
REBECCA: AND YOUR MARRIAGE PROBABLY TOO OR HEATHER
BECAUSE SHE WAS SO SICK.
JOSEPH Z: WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF WE LIKED EACH OTHER BY THE TIME
WE WERE IN THE MOUNTAINS.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S A TEST.
I WANT TO -- I WANT TO HAVE HER ON AND HAVE THAT TALK
BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE SUCH A GREAT MARRIAGE.
JOSEPH Z: SHE'S AWESOME.
REBECCA: BUT LIKE YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH IT AND YOU FOUGHT
AND NOW YOU'RE IN A GREAT PLACE AND SO THAT'S
ANOTHER TESTIMONY FOR ANOTHER --
YOU JUST HAVE TO COME BACK
ANOTHER TIME AND YOU HAVE TO GET HEATHER BACK HERE TOO.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S SO GREAT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE I LOVE STORIES LIKE THAT,
TESTIMONIES LIKE THAT.
BUT I LOVE EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND IT'S ABOUT
TESTING AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AND LIKE YOU
WERE SAYING THE GIFTS OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPROACH.
SO THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROPHETIC THAT ARE
HEARING GOD'S VOICE, BUT THEY NEED THE TESTING.
THEY NEED THE CHARACTER.
THEY NEED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THAT GROUNDS THEM.
JOSEPH Z: AND REBECCA,
IF THEY'LL GIVE UP, THEY'LL GO UP.
IF THEY LET GO,
GOD WILL TAKE THEM THROUGH IT.
AND I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW,
I SAY THIS ABOUT LIFE.
SOME WILL, SOME WON'T, SO WHAT.
YOU SERVE THE LIVING GOD.
YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD.
EVERY ONE OF US WILL
ANSWER TO JESUS CHRIST.
WE WILL ANSWER TO THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND IT
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PEOPLE SAY OVER HERE OR WHAT
PEOPLE ARE SAYING OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE SERVING GOD OR NOT AND THAT'S WHAT
IT COMES DOWN TO.
AND THAT'S THAT'S HOW I LIVE
MY LIFE EVERY DAY.
I THINK, OKAY,
I'M GOING TO STAND BEFORE THE LORD.
I WILL STAND BEFORE THE LORD AND WHAT I BELIEVE OR
WHAT I'M CONVICTED ABOUT OR WHAT I'M WALKING THROUGH.
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
I ANSWER TO HIM AND WE ALL ANSWER TO JESUS.
HE IS HEAD OF THE CHURCH AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW,
THERE IS SUCH A PURITY AND A LIFE ON THIS PODCAST.
I BELIEVE THAT GOD'S RAISING YOUR VOICE,
AND ELEVATING IT LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, I WAS SO THRILLED
WATCHING YOU INTERVIEW RFK.
YOU KNOW HOW COOL THAT WAS?
REBECCA: I KNOW.
JOSEPH Z: I WAS LIKE THAT'S RFK, JR.
YOU'RE LIKE GO ON RFK.
IT WAS WONDERFUL.
AND YOU HAVE SUCH A GRACE TO BRING OUT LIFE
OUT OF PEOPLE, EXHORT THEM AND THEN TEACH
AS YOU'RE GOING.
AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS THE NEXT GREAT PODCAST
FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST.
I REALLY DO.
GOD HAS MARKED THIS THING.
REBECCA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I REALLY -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT
I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
UM, ARTICULATED ON IS THAT YOU CAN HEAR THE VOICE OF
GOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE HIS NATURE.
JOSEPH Z: YES.
REBECCA: LIKE I WAS SAYING AND THAT COMES IN THE SECRET
PLACE OF THE BURDEN WHERE YOUR HEART ALIGNS WITH HIS
HEART AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PROPHETIC
THAT MIGHT HEAR SOMETHING, BUT THEY DON'T SAY IT
IN HIS NATURE.
THEY DON'T HAVE HIS BURDEN FOR PEOPLE,
HIS LOVE FOR PEOPLE.
JOSEPH Z: SO GOOD.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO
ARE WANTING TO TAKE A SHORTCUT WHERE THEY'RE
WANTING TO GET NOTORIETY --
JOSEPH Z: HAVE FUN WITH THAT.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW AND JUST GET A
LOT OF VIEWS AND GET A LOT OF THIS AND SOME OF THOSE
PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN PROPHETIC.
SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE OFF.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO BECAUSE
IT'S NOT ABOUT LIKE YOU SAID I LIVE MY LIFE
THE EXACT SAME WAY.
THERE'S TWO THINGS.
ONE, YOU'RE YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOURSELF.
YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF.
YOU CAN TRY TO BLAME PEOPLE.
THAT'S A TACTIC OF THE ENEMY TO BE A VICTIM.
YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
YOU'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT.
JOSEPH Z: RIGHT.
REBECCA: GOD WILL GRIEVE WITH YOU,
YOU WALK THROUGH FORGIVENESS.
I'M NOT MINIMIZING THAT, BUT I'M SAYING
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
YOU'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF
AND WE HAVE TO STAND BEFORE GOD.
JOSEPH Z: YOU'RE SO RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND WE LIVE IN A VERY LOUD WORLD WITH THE WAY
WITH SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON
AND IT'S SO IMPERATIVE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET
AWAY ALONE WITH GOD AND HEAR GOD FOR OURSELVES.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THINGS I WAS
TALKING TO A FRIEND THE OTHER DAY.
I SAID ONE OF THE THINGS
I REALLY WANT TO DO
NOW IS TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO HAVE THEIR OWN
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
JOSEPH Z: COME ON.
REBECCA: HEAR GOD FOR THEMSELVES.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: SO THEY'RE NOT ROCKED TO AND FRO BY THE WAVES AS IT
TALKS ABOUT IN EPHESIANS.
LIKE IMMATURE BELIEVERS BY
EVERY -- BECAUSE WE'RE LIVING IN SUCH HEIGHTENED TIMES
BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE END OF THE END THAT WE NEED
PEOPLE WHO ARE SOLID IN HIM.
SO THAT EVEN WHEN PEOPLE THAT IN MINISTRY FALL OR
MAKE MISTAKES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT,
IT DOESN'T ROCK US
TO THE CORE BECAUSE OUR FOUNDATION WASN'T BUILT ON
THAT PERSON, OUR FOUNDATION WAS BUILT ON JESUS.
JOSEPH Z: WELL, THINK ABOUT GALATIANS 6
THAT SAYS THAT, YOU SAID SOMETHING REALLY POWERFUL
JUST A MOMENT AGO.
UM, AND IT'S THIS.
I'LL JUST RESPOND WITH THIS WORD.
YOU KNOW PEOPLE ACT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE
FIVEFOLD MINISTRY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.
THERE'S 21 GIFTS TOTAL, THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY.
THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE MORE, BUT ABOUT 21 TOTAL.
YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU PUT ROMANS 12 TOGETHER.
YOU PUT 1 CORINTHIANS
12 TOGETHER, EPHESIANS 4:11, TOGETHER THAT'S 21.
AND WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TOGETHER,
YOU BEGIN TO REALIZE THAT THAT IS PART OF THE BODY
OF CHRIST AND SOMEWHERE YOU'RE IN THERE.
YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS, YOU'RE IN THAT GIFTING.
BUT YOU ACT LIKE THE GOD YOU SERVE.
WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT?
YOU ACT LIKE THE GOD YOU SERVE,
WELL, YOUR PERCEPTION OR YOUR TEACHING OR YOUR TRAINING,
THE LENS BY WHICH YOU VIEW
GOD IS HOW YOU WILL ACT TOWARDS OTHERS,
TOWARDS YOURSELF, TOWARDS DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
AND MATTHEW 25, THE PARABLE
OF THE TALENTS, RIGHT?
THE GUY SAYS WHO ONLY HAD ONE, SAID TO THE MASTER,
HE SAID I KNEW YOU TO BE A HARD DIFFICULT MAN.
I KNEW THIS ABOUT YOU, REAPING WHERE YOU HAD NOT SOWN.
SO I HID WHAT YOU GAVE ME.
I KNEW YOU AND THE MASTER SAYS TO HIM,
HE SAYS, YOU KNEW ME TO BE THIS WAY.
SO, THAT'S HOW YOU PERCEIVE ME, OKAY.
TAKE WHAT HE HAS AND GIVE IT TO THE ONE WITH TEN.
NOW THAT SOUNDS WILD.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS HOW WE PERCEIVE
GOD IS NUMBER ONE
HOW WE WILL RECEIVE FROM HIM
AND HOW WE WILL TREAT OTHERS.
AND IF WE THINK GOD IS HARSH AND EVIL AND WANTING
TO STEP ON US AND JUST BREAK EVERYBODY TO SMITHEREENS,
THAT IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO TREAT
OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
BUT WHEN YOU REALIZE GOD IS MERCIFUL, FULL OF
COMPASSION, SLOW TO ANGER, ABOUNDING IN MERCY.
WHEN YOU MOVE THAT WAY, YOU WILL ACT LIKE THE GOD YOU
SERVE AND THEN YOU'LL START TO GET THOSE KIND OF
RESULTS IN YOUR LIFE.
BECAUSE THE MECHANISM OF
FREE MORAL AGENCY, HUMANITY,
THE WAY THAT WE ARE WIRED
IS IF WE BELIEVE A CERTAIN THING THAT IS
HOW WE WILL ACCESS
THE REALM OF THE UNSEEN.
GOD IS ONLY LIMITED BY HIS WORD AND HE IS LIMITED BY
THAT IN THE BELIEF OF A PERSON.
SO IF THEY BELIEVE, MY GOODNESS,
THIS IS HOW GOD IS AND THEY'RE SAYING,
I'M -- I'M RECEIVING FROM HIM A CERTAIN WAY AND GOD'S
GOING TO GET THIS PERSON OVER HERE.
THE DEVIL WILL LEVERAGE THAT OR YOUR OWN SOUL WILL
BE BROKEN AND IT'LL BE USED FOR EVIL.
BUT WHEN YOU KNOW THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY,
AND YOU KNOW HIS REAL CHARACTER, THE TRUE NATURE OF GOD,
HE IS A GOOD GOD AND HE'LL WORK THROUGH YOU TO
RESTORE, BRING CLARITY, BUT GOD'S --
GOD'S END FOR
EVERYTHING IS REDEMPTION.
IT'S NEVER TO BRING DESTRUCTION.
THAT'S THE DEVIL'S JOB.
REBECCA: NO, HE IS A GOD OF RECONCILIATION,
HE'S A GOD OF REDEMPTION AND THANK GOD,
BECAUSE WE, EVERY PERSON NEEDS THAT AND THE THING IS
IS WE HAVE TO HAVE HIS HEART AND WE HAVE TO KNOW
WHO HE IS AND THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN KNOW WHO HE
IS BY SPENDING TIME WITH HIM IN THE SECRET PLACE.
JOSEPH Z: SO TRUE.
REBECCA: AND ALLOWING HIM TO IF THERE'S BROKENNESS I THINK
THE PEOPLE WHO DO SOME OF THE MOST DAMAGE TO THE
BODY OF CHRIST ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BROKEN
AND THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED HEALING.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S NOT HATING ON THOSE PEOPLE AT ALL
BECAUSE THAT IS NOT OKAY, BUT WE ALL GET HURT AND WE
ALL NEED HEALING.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT UNTIL THE ENEMY CAN LEVERAGE THOSE PARTS OF
THE SOUL AND USE IT AGAINST YOU.
JOSEPH Z: YES.
REBECCA: THE PARTS OF WOUNDING AND SO THAT IS SO
IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET HEALING IN OUR OWN HEARTS
AND THAT WE KNOW WHO HE IS.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD FATHER
WHO LOVES PEOPLE, WHO LOVES PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT GOOD --
WHO ARE NOT GOOD TO US AT TIMES, YOU KNOW.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN LOVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
WRONGED ME AND FORGIVE PEOPLE
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU
DON'T HOLD BOUNDARIES WITH PEOPLE.
JOSEPH Z: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: BUT THE ONLY WAY I'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOVE PEOPLE
LIKE THAT IS BY SPENDING TIME WITH HIM.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S IT.
REBECCA: AND WHEN I'M IN HIS PRESENCE,
BECAUSE HE IS THE FORGIVER.
HE'S THE ULTIMATE FORGIVER, RIGHT?
IT'S EASIER TO FORGIVE AND RELEASE PEOPLE AND IT'S
NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET DEALT WITH,
IT'S SAYING THAT GOD'S GOING TO DEAL WITH IT.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: BUT HIS JUSTICE IS LOOKS DIFFERENT
SOMETIMES THAN OUR VIEW.
JOSEPH Z: BOY IT DOES.
REBECCA: OF JUSTICE.
JOSEPH Z: COME ON, REBECCA.
REBECCA: BUT THANK GOD WE DIDN'T GET WHAT WE DESERVED.
BECAUSE IF WE GOT WHAT WE DESERVED,
THAT'S WHY I THINK JESUS TELLS THAT PARABLE ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, THE GUY WHO GETS FORGIVEN OF THIS MASSIVE DEBT.
AND THEN HE WANTS TO HOLD THIS OTHER PERSON PRISON
FOR A MUCH SMALLER DEBT.
HE'S SAYING I HAVE FORGIVEN YOU OF SO MUCH MORE,
SO FORGIVE OTHERS.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S IT.
SO POWERFUL.
REBECCA: IT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BE FREE, TOO.
YOU'LL NEVER BE FREE.
YOU'LL NEVER --
IT'S LIKE DON'T LET PEOPLE WHO HURT YOU, ROB YOU
OF YOUR LIFE
THAT GOD HAS GIVEN YOU.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE OF HOW THEY WRONGED YOU,
FREE YOURSELF SO THAT YOU CAN GO
AND FREE OTHER PEOPLE.
DON'T LIVE IN BONDAGE OF UNFORGIVENESS.
JOSEPH Z: I'M LOOKING AT YOU RIGHT NOW,
I SEE YOU STANDING IN FRONT OF VERY LARGE CROWDS
OF PEOPLE SPEAKING TO THEM AND MOVING THE AUDIENCE.
I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JOSEPH Z: I'M LOOKING AT GOD WORKING THROUGH YOU
AND MOVING PEOPLE.
I'M WATCHING EMOTIONAL DELIVERANCE HAPPEN
ON A MASS SCALE.
REBECCA: AMEN.
JOSEPH Z: I'M WATCHING YOU ANSWER
THE FIGHT INSIDE.
YOUR VOICE WILL ANSWER THE FIGHT INSIDE FOR PEOPLE.
I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH THIS PODCAST.
IT'S GOING TO COME ON A MASSIVE SCALE.
I SEE IT OVER THE NEXT 1, 2, 3,
I SEE A THREE-YEAR WINDOW.
AND THEN I SEE A FOURTH YEAR WHERE IT REALLY BEGINS.
I SEE THE SPIRIT OF GOD
BEGINNING TO OPEN THIS UP TO YOU.
REBECCA, YOU'RE ANOINTED AND YOU HAVE A BALM OF GILEAD
ANOINTING ON YOUR VOICE AND PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO GET DELIVERED.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET HEALED MENTALLY AND
EMOTIONALLY AND GOD'S GOING TO WORK THROUGH IT.
AND THEN BOOKS WILL COME AND IT'S REALLY POWERFUL.
I JUST I WANT TO SHARE THAT I'M LOOKING AT YOU
AND IT'S AWESOME.
YOU'RE KIND OF -- YOU KIND OF GOT THIS VOICE
TO A GENERATION.
REBECCA: OH, THANK YOU.
JOSEPH Z: IT'S POWERFUL.
REBECCA: I RECEIVE THAT.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S THE THING
YOUR AUDIENCE, WHEN THEY LISTEN TO THIS,
THEIR SOUL IS GOING TO GET WATERED,
THEIR MIND IS GOING TO GET SET FREE
AND I BELIEVE GOD'S JUST GOING
TO OPEN UP THE DOUBLE DOORS ON THIS ANOINTING
THAT YOU'RE CARRYING.
GOD IS SAYING THERE'S COMING A RETROFIT,
A STRENGTH TO YOU, A STRENGTH TO THIS PLATFORM,
A STRENGTH TO WHAT GOD'S DOING AND THIS IS THE DAY
OF NEW BEGINNINGS.
I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE GET TO 2028,
EVEN FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S GOING TO BE THE YEAR OF
NEW BEGINNINGS AND THERE'S A PROCESS,
THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS.
AND IT'S A SIFTING, IT'S A STRENGTHENING.
THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S HAPPENING,
BUT GOD'S HAND OF FAVOR IS ON YOUR LIFE.
AND, YOU KNOW,
I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PROPHETIC PEOPLE THAT
WATCH THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE A PROPHETIC MAGNET.
YOU'RE GOING TO DRAW THEM.
THEY'RE GOING TO WATCH YOU.
THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO LEARN THINGS.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET GREAT INTERVIEWS.
THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR THINGS,
BUT THE PROPHETS ARE GOING TO LISTEN.
PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN UNCTION
TO HEAR GOD ARE GOING TO LISTEN TO THIS.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR THINGS
THAT ARE NOT EVEN SAID.
BECAUSE THE SPIRIT OF GOD
IS GOING TO SPEAK TO THEM BEYOND
WHAT IS SPOKEN ON THIS PODCAST.
AND PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE TOUCHED MIGHTILY AND THIS IS A
WORD FOR SO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE TALKING.
IT'S WONDERFUL.
I ALWAYS FEEL THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND I FEEL JOY
WHEN I'M WITH YOU.
REBECCA: OH.
JOSEPH Z: YOU CARRY JOY LIKE A WEAPON.
YOU REALLY CARRY JOY LIKE A WEAPON, REBECCA.
AND SO IT'S POWERFUL, BUT LISTEN,
GOD IS -- HE'S FINE TUNING
THE BODY TO HAVE A BETTER EAR RIGHT NOW.
I BELIEVE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH A TIME OF
ECONOMIC SHAKING LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
IT'S FAKE.
IT'S A FALSE FLAG EVENT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO STOP THE GOOD THINGS
GOD IS DOING IN THIS COUNTRY.
BUT I BELIEVE ON THE HEELS OF THAT, AFTER WE GO
THROUGH A VERY SERIOUS TIME OF ECONOMIC SHAKING,
I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME TO
A TIME OF GREAT RETURN.
THE ECONOMY, IF WE STAND,
IF WE DO WHAT GOD'S CALLED US TO DO,
WE'LL COME BACK LIKE A ROAR.
BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A VALLEY
THAT'S IN FRONT OF US AND WE'LL GET TO
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
AND I BELIEVE YOUR VOICE IS GOING TO BE
A BEACON OF HOPE DURING THAT TIME.
YOUR VOICE IS GOING TO
RAISE A TORCH AMONG THE SHEAVES.
YOUR VOICE IS GOING TO ILLUMINATE THE DARKNESS
AND GOD'S CALLED YOU TO DO IT.
SO ANY PROPHETIC PERSON THAT'S LISTENING,
ANY PERSON THAT'S TRYING TO FIND THEIR WAY,
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO SORT OUT WHAT'S WHAT.
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW,
GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.
HE'S GOING TO BRING ORDER TO YOUR SOUL.
AND IF YOU CAN CALM YOUR
MIND ENOUGH TO JUST HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING,
EVEN THROUGH THIS PODCAST,
GOD'S GOING TO TOUCH THAT DEEPER PLACE INSIDE YOU.
I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING YOUR PODCAST
RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE LISTENING TO YOU.
AND IT'S LIKE THE SHULAMMITE WOMAN,
THE SHULAMMITE WOMAN.
AND THEY BROUGHT IN --
HOW SHE BROUGHT IN THE PROPHET, RIGHT?
AND THEN SHE WENT THROUGH THINGS.
SHE PROVIDED FOR HIM AND THEN
THE VERY THING THAT SHE WAS SEEKING GOD FOR THIS
BABY COMES TO LIFE.
THE BABY LIVES, THE PROPHET LEAVES AND THEN THE BABY
DIED LATER AS A YOUNG CHILD.
DIED.
BUT THE LORD GOD SENDS THE PROPHET BACK AND GIVES
BACK TO HER THE VERY THINGS
SHE BELIEVED HIM FOR, LOST, AND IT CAME BACK.
AND I BELIEVE GOD IS SAYING TO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW,
JUST LIKE THAT SHULAMMITE WOMAN,
THE VERY THING THAT'S IN THEIR HEART,
THE VERY THING THEY'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR,
THE VERY THING
THEY BELIEVED GOD FOR ATTAINED AND EVEN LOST,
THE LORD IS SAYING THE REDEMPTIVE HOUR IS COMING.
AND THAT REDEMPTIVE HOUR IS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE
EYES TO SEE, EARS TO HEAR,
THEY KEEP A FENCE OUT OF
THEIR HEART AND THEY KEEP WALKING AFTER
THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
HE'S GOING TO GIVE THEM EVEN THAT PRECIOUS GIFT.
THE THING THEY SO WANTED AND IT SEEMS LIKE
IT WENT AWAY.
IT WILL COME BACK UNTO THEM WITH GREATER MEASURE.
THAT'S WHAT GOD'S DOING THROUGH THIS PODCAST.
IT'S POWERFUL.
REBECCA: AMEN.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY
FROM FOLLOWING THAT, IT'S SO GOOD.
UM, I THINK ONE THING I WOULD JUST SAY TO PEOPLE
JUST TO ENCOURAGE THEM IS THAT YOU'RE A PRODUCT OF
SOMEONE WHO'S GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND YOU DIDN'T
JUST POP OUT OF NOWHERE.
YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT, BUT YOU PERSEVERED.
JOSEPH Z: YES, MA'AM.
REBECCA: AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW,
GOD USES TRIALS
FOR OUR GOOD IN THE TERMS OF THAT.
IT SAYS IN ROMANS 5
THAT THAT ENDURANCE
PRODUCES, UM, TRIALS PRODUCE ENDURANCE.
SO THAT'S YOU JUST GOT TO KEEP GOING.
JOSEPH Z: YOU GOT TO KEEP GOING.
REBECCA: THEN YOU'LL LEARN HOW TO KEEP GOING
MORE AND MORE, ENDURANCE PRODUCES CHARACTER.
JOSEPH Z: YES.
REBECCA: CHARACTER PRODUCES HOPE
AND SALVATION AND THAT HOPE WON'T DISAPPOINT.
AND SO THEY ARE FOR A PURPOSE.
AND THEY WILL HELP US.
JOSEPH Z: YES.
REBECCA: AND NOT TO GIVE UP AND THAT TRIALS ARE NOT
SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE BECAUSE FOR ME,
IN THE BEGINNING,
I USED TO JUST THINK TRIALS,
I'M JUST LIKE HOW DO I GET THROUGH THIS
AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE?
JOSEPH Z: YES.
REBECCA: NOW, I'VE JUST LEARNED TO TURN TO GOD AND ALLOW
BECAUSE THERE'S A INTIMACY WITH HIM IN THE TRIALS
THAT'S DIFFERENT
THAN NOT IN THE TRIALS.
JOSEPH Z: IT'S SO TRUE.
REBECCA: AND IF YOU CAN JUST KEEP GOING
AND NOT GIVE UP,
HE WILL PURIFY YOU AND READY YOU FOR WHAT HE'S
CALLING YOU TO.
AND I THINK IN HIS GOODNESS, EVEN LIKE THE TRIALS
THAT I'VE GONE THROUGH, HE'S CUT OFF
THINGS THAT WERE NOT GOOD.
AND HE'S HELPED REFOCUS ME.
BECAUSE I THINK LIVING IN WESTERN CHRISTIANITY,
SOMETIMES THE NEEDLE GETS MOVED AND YOU KNOW YOUR
GOALS AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE SHIFTS A LITTLE BIT AND HE
BRINGS US BACK IN HIS MERCY TO, OKAY,
THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THIS IS MY KINGDOM.
THIS IS WHAT MATTERS, NOT THIS OTHER STUFF.
BECAUSE IT'S SO EASY AS A HUMAN LIVING IN THIS PHYSICAL
WORLD TO GET CAUGHT UP ON STUFF THAT AREN'T ETERNAL
OR AREN'T OF THE HIGHEST VALUE.
AND HE PULLS US BACK
IN HIS MERCY BACK TO THAT PLACE.
JOSEPH Z: HE DOES.
REBECCA: SO IT'S A GOOD THING, THEY'RE NECESSARY.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH, THE TRIALS.
REBECCA: THE CROSS WAS NECESSARY, THAT WAS A TRIAL.
AND IT WAS NECESSARY AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF JOY,
YOU TALK ABOUT JOY.
THAT'S WHAT GOD IS TEACHING ME IN THIS SEASON.
JOY IS WHAT GETS YOU TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS IN HEBREWS 12.
HE SAYS FOR THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM,
HE ENDURED THE CROSS.
SCORNING THE SHAME, BASICALLY FORGETTING THE SHAME.
HE DIDN'T PUT THAT ON HIMSELF.
EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE WAS PUTTING THAT ON HIM AS HE
WAS ENDURING THAT AWFUL THING AND HE DID IT
SO HE COULD MAKE A WAY FOR YOU AND ME TO BE IN THE
FAMILY OF GOD FOREVER.
JOSEPH Z: SO POWERFUL.
REBECCA, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT THIS STATEMENT HERE,
TRIALS DON'T LAST ALWAYS.
THEY DON'T LAST ALWAYS.
REBECCA: NO, THEY DON'T.
JOSEPH Z: WE HAVE A CONFESSION IN OUR HOUSE, RIGHT?
LIKE WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH A HARD TIME.
WE SAY THIS TRIAL HAS THE SHELF LIFE OF A BANANA.
[ LAUGHTER ]
JOSEPH Z: WE JUST BEGIN TO DECLARE THAT.
IT'S JUST -- IT'S NOT GOING TO LAST.
REBECCA: THAT'S FUNNY.
I LIKE THAT.
JOSEPH Z: WE TRY TO USE HUMOR TO GET, GET OVER STUFF.
REBECCA: SAME.
JOSEPH Z: THE DEVIL DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO
WHEN YOU GET JOY GOING.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JOY,
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING PROPHETIC PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN.
BECAUSE WE'RE SO INTENSE.
WE THINK ABOUT INTENSE THINGS.
YOU SEE INTENSE THINGS AND IT'S ALL REAL.
WELL, SOME OF IT IS.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF YOU
CAN MECHANIZE OR YOU CAN REALLY BEGIN TO TAP INTO THAT JOY.
YOU CARRY JOY, THAT NEHEMIAH, THE JOY OF THE LORD
THAT IS YOUR STRENGTH.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
JOY FOR THE JOY SET BEFORE HIM,
HE ENDURED THE SHAME,
I GOTTA TELL YOU,
YOU KNOW, REBECCA,
YOU CARRY THAT JOY AND IT JUST RADIATES OFF YOU.
IT'S YOUR SUPERPOWER.
YOU BREAK THROUGH STUFF WITH IT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE THAT TAP INTO THAT WILL
BEGIN TO OVERCOME ANYTHING.
THE ANOINTING IS THE POWER, PROPHETICALLY, WHATEVER.
THE ANOINTING THAT GOD
PUT ON OUR LIFE IS THE POWER TO MOVE HELL OUT OF
THE WAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLED TO DO.
WE'RE NOT CALLED TO DO WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
WE'RE CALLED TO DO WHAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
REBECCA: WITH HIM.
JOSEPH Z: WITH HIM.
REBECCA: WITH HIM, IT'S POSSIBLE.
WITH US, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
JOSEPH Z: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: BUT HIM IN AND THROUGH US, IT'S POSSIBLE
AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND HE ONLY CALLS US TO DO THINGS THAT
WE CAN DO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HIM.
JOSEPH Z: COME ON.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S WHAT, WE JUST REALLY GOTTA GET OUT OF
OUR OWN WAY.
JOSEPH Z: IT'S TRUE.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW.
JOSEPH Z: IT'S TRUE.
REBECCA: THAT'S REALLY THE BIG THING.
JOSEPH Z: IT'S TRUE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
JOSEPH Z: THAT WAS MY JOURNEY.
I STUCK IN THE MOUNTAINS ALL THOSE YEARS.
I HAD TO GET OUT OF MY OWN WAY.
AND THE LORD HAD TO SHOW ME
WHAT A HYPOCRITE I WAS.
HE HAD TO SHOW ME
WHAT A PHARISEE I WAS.
HE HAD TO SHOW ME ALL THIS STUFF AND HE HAD TO
REALLY, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE ALL STILL ON A JOURNEY.
I HAVE NOT ARRIVED.
REBECCA: SAMESIES.
JOSEPH Z: SAMESIES.
[ LAUGHTER ]
JOSEPH Z: I'VE NOT ARRIVED,
BUT I'VE LEFT.
I'VE AT LEAST LEFT.
I'VE STARTED THE JOURNEY.
AND SO IN THE PROCESS,
WE'RE DEVELOPING UNTIL THE DAY WE GO HOME.
BUT I TAKE COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT GOD STARTED,
HE DOESN'T ABANDON US.
AND IF WE'LL JUST KEEP LISTENING,
WE'LL JUST KEEP HEARING.
WE'LL JUST KEEP DISCERNING,
I BELIEVE WE'LL FIND IT.
I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME, EVEN ON A BAD DAY,
YOU'RE ANOINTED TO BE THE VERY BEST THERE IS.
EVEN ON A BAD DAY,
GOD'S ANOINTED YOU TO OVERCOME.
HE PUTS YOU IN THIS LIFE TO OVERCOME OBSTACLES
AND PROVE TO THE DEVIL THAT GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN
US THAN HE THAT IS IN THE WORLD.
AND I'LL TELL YOU, WE'RE MADE TO OVERCOME.
WE'RE CALLED TO.
WE'RE CALLED TO KEEP WATCHING,
KEEP DISCERNING, OVERCOME EVERY OBSTACLE.
BECAUSE A MAN OR WOMAN
WITH A WORD FROM GOD IS NOT AT THE MERCY OF
SOME CULTURE GOING MAD.
PEOPLE ASK ME ALL THE TIME,
THEY SAY SO WHAT IS IT YOU DO?
AND I LIKE TO SAY TO THEM,
WELL, I'M A MOTIVATIONAL CONSULTANT FOR THE UNRENEWED
MIND DISORDER EPIDEMIC.
THAT'S WHAT GOD'S CALLED ME TO DO.
TO BREAK YOU OUT OF
THIS SYSTEMATIC CONTAINMENT CALLED EVIL.
AND PROPHECY REALLY JUST POINTS TO JESUS.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JOSEPH Z: THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
REBECCA: AMEN.
JOSEPH Z: I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE A CATALYST IN
THAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, REBECCA.
REBECCA: I RECEIVE THAT AND JUST STAY HUMBLE AND RECEIVE
HIS HEART BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE UNLESS YOU HAVE HIS HEART.
JOSEPH Z: YEAH.
REBECCA: OKAY.
WILL YOU PRAY FOR EVERYONE?
JOSEPH Z: OH, I WOULD LOVE TO.
REBECCA: AND THEN WE'LL SAY BYE TO EVERYONE.
JOSEPH Z: I'D LOVE TO.
WELL, FATHER, I JUST THANK YOU FOR THIS PODCAST.
I THANK YOU FOR EVERY LISTENER, EVERY VIEWER RIGHT NOW.
I HOLD THEM UP BEFORE YOU AND I JUST BEGIN TO SPEAK
THE PEACE THAT PASSES UNDERSTANDING.
I BIND EVERY FORM OF CONFUSION, CHAOS, THE SENSATIONALISM
THAT'S IN THE CULTURE.
I SPEAK JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE WHEN MOSES HEARD YOUR VOICE.
JUST LIKE WHEN THE PROPHETS HEARD YOUR VOICE
AND THAT STILL SMALL VOICE
THAT WAS NOT IN THE TORNADOS,
THE CLASHING OF ROCKS, THE EARTHQUAKE.
IT'S THAT STILL SMALL VOICE
THAT IS FOUND THROUGH YOUR WORD,
AND IT IS FOUND IN THE PEACE.
AND RIGHT NOW,
I SPEAK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING THROUGH CHAOS,
YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH ANXIETY.
YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH JUST MIND ISSUES.
IN THE NAME OF JESUS,
I SPEAK PEACE TO YOU.
I SPEAK CLARITY TO YOU.
YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
YOU ARE NOT REJECTED AND GOD IS BRINGING ORDER
AND PEACE TO THE MIDST OF CONFUSION RIGHT
INTO YOUR HEART.
AND I SAY PEACE, BE STILL,
HEAR HIS VOICE AND LIVE TODAY.
GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF LIFE,
NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION.
AND I DO DECLARE OVER YOUR LIFE,
EVEN ON A BAD DAY,
YOU ARE ANOINTED TO BE THE VERY BEST THERE IS.
GOD DOESN'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE.
HE HAS YOU.
YOU'RE HIS PLAN AND I BLESS YOU.
AND WHAT GOD HAS BLESSED,
CANNOT BE CURSED IN JESUS' NAME.
AMEN.
REBECCA: AMEN.
THANK YOU.
JOSEPH Z: YOU'RE WELCOME, MA'AM.