PHILIP: I DON'T KNOW,
I'M ABOUT TO GET IN TROUBLE ON YOUR PODCAST.
REBECCA: DO IT.
PHILIP: IT'S MY PUBLIC TESTIMONY TO SAY THAT
I'M DEAD TO CULTURE.
REBECCA: I'M CONSTANTLY THROWING MY LIFE UP ON THAT ALTAR,
AND I'M SAYING WHATEVER IS NOT PLEASING TO YOU,
BURN IT UP.
PHILIP: I SAY ALL THE TIME THAT I HAVE A VERY FEROCIOUS
PRAYER LIFE NOT BECAUSE I'M A SUPER CHRISTIAN,
BUT BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF BROKENNESS.
REBECCA: HAVE YOU TRIED TO PRAY IN YOUR OWN STRENGTH?
I DON'T LIKE -- I HATE THAT.
PHILIP: EVERYTHING IS ME.
WE, THIS IS THE MOST NARCISSISTIC GENERATION IN
THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
REBECCA: ALL RIGHT,
WELCOME BACK TO THE PODCAST.
I AM HERE WITH PHILIP ANTHONY.
PASTOR OF 2819 CHURCH
IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND FIRST OFF, SUPER HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE.
PHILIP: OH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I APPRECIATE IT.
REBECCA: YOU'RE BRINGING THE FIRE WITH YOU.
YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL WHEN SOMEONE'S IN THE SECRET PLACE,
AND THEY HAVE IT -- FOR ME,
I AM SO APPRECIATIVE OF THAT BECAUSE IT HELPS STIR
ME UP AND ENCOURAGE ME AND HELPS ME KEEP GOING.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND YOUR STORY IS SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS,
AND WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO YOUR STORY.
BUT, I MEAN, REDEMPTION, MIRACLES, BREAKTHROUGH.
BUT WHAT I LOVE IS YOUR STORY IS A STORY OF THE
PROCESS OF GOD.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND IF WE DON'T GIVE UP, WHAT GOD CAN DO THROUGH US
IF WE SUBMIT TO THE PROCESS.
PHILIP: YEAH, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: AND THAT IS AN ENCOURAGING WORD
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING.
BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS PAINFUL AT TIMES,
BUT IT'S FOR OUR GOOD.
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: IT'S NECESSARY.
PHILIP: ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, THE TRIAL OF THE CROSS WAS NECESSARY
FOR OUR SAKES.
AND SO LET'S GET INTO YOUR LIFE, YOUR TESTIMONY.
YOU'RE FROM QUEENS.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: SHOUTOUT, MY FATHER-IN-LAW'S FROM THERE.
SHOUT OUT TO YOU, MYLES.
PHILIP: COME ON.
REBECCA: BUT TELL US ABOUT GROWING UP.
PHILIP: YEAH, SO FROM QUEENS, NEW YORK.
I WAS RAISED IN A HOME WITH BELIEVING PARENTS.
MY PARENTS WERE IMMIGRANTS FROM THE ISLAND OF TRINIDAD.
I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN MY FAMILY BORN
IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW,
I HEARD ABOUT THE THINGS OF GOD GROWING UP.
YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS HAD A SMALL MINISTRY
IN THE BASEMENT.
MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME PSALM 23 AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
BUT I WAS RAISED IN A VERY TOUGH URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO I THINK THE WORLD OUTSIDE OF MY HOUSE HAD
A STRONGER PULL ON ME THAN THE FAITH THAT I SAW INSIDE
OF MY HOUSE.
SO BY THE AGE OF 12, MAN,
I'M ALREADY IN THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, I'M SELLING CRACK COCAINE AT THE AGE OF 12.
I'M ALREADY INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, ROBBING
PEOPLE AT GUNPOINT BY 16, IN AND OUT OF JAIL.
SO I WENT DOWN A VERY DARK PATH.
I EVENTUALLY GOT FORCED OUT OF NEW YORK
BECAUSE OF LEGAL TROUBLE.
YOU KNOW, I'D BE AT A CASE WHEN I WAS
AT RIKERS ISLAND PRISON
FACING SOME TIME AT AGE 17 AND UP IN NORTH CAROLINA.
BUT THEN ANOTHER TEN YEARS OF JUST DARKNESS
IN NORTH CAROLINA.
UNTIL A PERIOD OF MY LIFE WHEN I BECAME VERY SUICIDAL.
YOU KNOW, I HAD ALL THE TRAPPINGS OF WORLDLY SUCCESS.
YOU KNOW, I HAD A LUXURY CAR, A BEAUTIFUL GIRLFRIEND,
A DOPE APARTMENT,
BUT IT'S VERY EMPTY ON THE INSIDE.
REBECCA: SO YOU WERE OUTWARDLY SUCCESSFUL.
PHILIP: YEAH.
OUTWARDLY SUCCESSFUL.
BUT INWARDLY, I WAS,
I WAS EMPTY.
AND THERE WAS THIS PERIOD OF MY LIFE
WHEN I TURNED 24,
I WAS VERY SUICIDAL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW,
I'M SITTING IN AN APARTMENT ONE DAY,
SHOTGUN ON MY LAP.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO PULL THAT TRIGGER,
GOT A BOTTLE OF HENNESSY.
FINISHED THAT BOTTLE.
I PUT THAT GUN TO MY CHIN AND MY DOOR WAS UNLOCKED THAT NIGHT.
THERE WAS THIS GIRL,
I HAD LOCKS BACK IN THIS DAY.
SO SHE USED TO TWIST MY LOCKS.
SHE WAS A BELIEVER.
AND I REMEMBER I USED TO MOCK HER FAITH.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
BUT SHE CAME TO VISIT ME THAT NIGHT.
THAT WAS GOD'S PROVIDENCE AND MY DOOR'S UNLOCKED
AND SHE WALKS THROUGH THE DOOR.
SHE SEES ME SITTING THERE WITH TEARS IN MY EYES.
SHE SITS DOWN NEXT TO ME.
SHE DOESN'T SAY A WORD,
REBECCA, AT ALL AND SHE HOLDS MY HAND.
AND IT'S LIKE THE MINISTRY OF PRESENCE.
SHE TALKS ME OFF THE LEDGE.
AND THAT LASTED
MAYBE ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE.
I WAS SUICIDAL AGAIN.
THIS TIME MY LIVE-IN GIRLFRIEND,
WHO WOULD BECOME MY WIFE,
SHE GETS INTO THIS CAR ACCIDENT.
SHE'S THANKFUL THAT SHE SURVIVED THIS CAR ACCIDENT.
SHE COMES BACK TO OUR APARTMENT.
SHE PUTS ON GOSPEL MUSIC.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE
I HEAR GOSPEL MUSIC.
SHE'S WALKING BACK AND FORTH.
SHE'S PRAISING GOD.
SHE LIFTS HER HANDS.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I SAY TO MYSELF, MAN,
WHATEVER THAT IS RIGHT THERE,
I WANT THAT FOR MYSELF.
AND I CRAWL INTO THIS BATHROOM ON
MY HANDS AND MY KNEES.
I STARTED YELLING AT GOD, NOT KNOWING THAT HE
EXISTED AND GOD SAVED ME IN THE BATHROOM THAT DAY
AND BROUGHT ME TO THE KINGDOM.
SO, THAT'S, THAT'S MY STORY FROM NEW YORK
TOWARDS THE KINGDOM.
AND IT WOULD BE LIKE SIX MONTHS LATER,
GOD SPOKE TO ME ABOUT PASTORAL MINISTRY AND RAN
FROM THAT FOR FOUR YEARS AND THAT'S HOW I GOT TO
WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW
INSIDE THE KINGDOM.
REBECCA: I WANT TO TALK
A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE
WITH THE SHOTGUN.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: SO THAT WAS A MIRACLE THAT YOUR DOOR
WAS EVEN UNLOCKED
AND THAT SHE CAME.
PHILIP: YES.
REBECCA: AND THEN, BUT YOU WERE STILL SIX MONTHS LATER
DRIVEN BACK TO SUICIDE
BECAUSE THE EMPTINESS.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU JUST REACHED
THE END OF YOURSELF?
PHILIP: YEAH, YOU KNOW,
I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE I LEARNED A VERY
HARD LESSON THAT WE COULD, WE COULD PAD OUR LIVES
WITH ALL THE THINGS
WE THINK IS GOING TO MAKE US FEEL FULFILLED.
LIKE THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING AND LISTENING TO THIS
PODCAST RIGHT NOW WHO FEEL LIKE IF THEY'RE GETTING TO
A CERTAIN SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS,
THEY WILL BE FULFILLED.
IF THEY GET THE HUSBAND OR THE WIFE,
THEY'RE GOING TO BE FULFILLED.
IF THEY GET THE BIG INSTAGRAM FOLLOWING.
AND WE ACTUALLY THINK THAT IF WE PAD OUR LIVES WITH
ALL OF THESE MATERIAL AND WHAT I WOULD SAY FLEETING THINGS,
THAT WE WOULD BE FULFILLED.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH THIS BOTH WHO ARE
THOSE WHO ARE FAR AWAY FROM GOD AND PEOPLE INSIDE
THE CHURCH ARE DEALING WITH THIS.
AND I LEARNED THAT YOU CAN HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS
AND STILL BE EMPTY.
I WAS BROKEN ON THE INSIDE AND I WAS EMPTY.
I HAD THE FAKE SMILE,
BUT I KNEW THAT SOMETHING WAS MISSING IN MY LIFE.
I JUST DID NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS UNTIL I CRIED OUT
TO GOD IN THAT BATHROOM.
AND I LOOK BACK ON IT,
AND I THINK, MAN, LIKE THERE'S SOMEBODY WATCHING RIGHT NOW
LISTENING TO US WHO IS FAR AWAY FROM GOD AND THEY
THINK GOD DOES NOT CARE BECAUSE OF
WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
BUT I LOOK BACK NOW.
IN HINDSIGHT I REALIZE,
NO, GOD CARED ABOUT ME ON THAT DAY.
I MEAN, IT'S HIS PROVIDENCE THAT HE SENT
A BELIEVER TO MY APARTMENT THAT NIGHT
AND THAT MY DOOR'S UNLOCKED.
IF THAT DOOR IS LOCKED,
I'M NOT SITTING HERE.
IF THAT DOOR'S LOCKED,
I'M IN ETERNITY.
BUT I'M IN ETERNITY SEPARATED FROM GOD.
REBECCA: OH, THAT'S SUCH A SOBERING THOUGHT.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE STORY
SIX MONTHS LATER WITH, WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND AT THE
TIME, WHO WOULD BECOME YOUR WIFE, WHICH I LOVE.
BUT SHE MODELED WHEN SHE PUT ON THAT WORSHIP MUSIC,
THAT GOSPEL MUSIC AND SHE BEGAN TO WORSHIP GOD,
SHE MODELED HOW GOD IS ENTHRONED ON OUR PRAISES
AND HIS PRESENCE AND RELATIONSHIP.
AND THAT WAS YOUR -- YOU GRABBED HOLD OF THAT.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND YOU WENT INTO THAT BATHROOM AND YOU CRIED OUT,
BUT THAT SHE MODELED FOR YOU
AND YOU WERE ABLE TO CRY OUT TO HIM.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THEN YOU EXPERIENCED THE LIQUID LOVE...
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: OF GOD.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?
PHILIP: YEAH, YOU KNOW,
IT'S SO POWERFUL THAT YOU --
I LOVE THE FRAMEWORK YOU USE FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, HOW SHE CAME IN AND SHE MODELED FOR ME.
YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING IT WAS GOING TO HAVE
AN IMPACT ON ME.
THAT'S WHY IT'S EVEN IMPORTANT FOR LIKE PEOPLE
WHO'S WATCHING TO NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE IMPACT
OUR PUBLIC WITNESS CAN HAVE ON SOMEBODY ELSE.
I MEAN, SHE PUTS ON THAT GOSPEL MUSIC.
SHE'S WORSHIPPING JESUS.
AND I SAY WHEN I WENT IN THAT BATHROOM,
I WENT IN THERE WITH TEARS OF BROKENNESS,
TEARS OF FRUSTRATION, TEARS OF ANGER, TEARS OF RAGE.
AND WHEN THE LORD MET ME IN THAT BATHROOM,
IT WAS LIKE I FELT A STRONG PRESENCE
JUST ENGULF THAT ROOM.
AND THEN TEARS OF ANGER BECAME TEARS OF PEACE
AND TEARS OF JOY.
I KNEW SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED TO ME.
I JUST DID NOT HAVE ANY FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT IT WAS.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY BIBLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED.
REBECCA: YOUR SPIRIT KNEW, BUT YOUR MIND HAD TO CATCH UP.
PHILIP: MY MIND HAD TO CATCH UP, RIGHT?
AND SO I DID NOT KNOW WHAT IT WAS CALLED.
BUT LIKE HOW, HOW REAL CAN WE GET ON THE PODCAST?
REBECCA: COMPLETELY REAL.
PHILIP: SO WE COULD BE STRAIGHT ONE HUNDRED
ON THE PODCAST, RIGHT?
REBECCA: NO CENSORSHIP.
PHILIP: OKAY, NO CENSORSHIP.
SO SHE'S MY GIRLFRIEND AT THE TIME.
I COME OUT THE BATHROOM THAT DAY AND THAT NIGHT
I GO INTO THE BEDROOM.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INTIMATE THAT NIGHT.
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME,
I FEEL CONVICTED ABOUT SIN.
I'M LIKE, OH, SNAP, THIS DON'T FEEL GOOD LIKE,
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN HAVING SEX FOR OVER A YEAR AND SOME
CHANGE, BUT NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME I FEEL CONVICTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
BUT SOMETHING ON THE INSIDE DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT, RIGHT?
AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BIBLE TO HAVE
A FRAMEWORK FOR THE FACT,
OH, SNAP, THIS IS CONVICTION FOR SIN.
SO I KNEW MY HEART HAD CHANGED,
BECAUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME
I FEEL BAD ABOUT THIS.
AND SO I STARTED SLEEPING ON
THE COUCH FOR SIX MONTHS UNTIL WE GOT MARRIED.
SO WHAT I FELT HAPPEN TO ME WAS THAT GOD
OVERWHELMED ME WITH HIS LOVE.
I JUST FELT THIS RADICAL PEACE.
I FELT THIS RADICAL JOY.
I FELT THIS LIKE I WAS CALM IN MY HEART.
IT'S CRAZY, TOO.
BECAUSE I WAS WORKING FOR THE TSA AT THE TIME.
I WAS IN THE VERY FIRST CLASS SWORN IN FOR THE TSA.
I GRADUATED LIKE TWO MONTHS AFTER 911.
AND THE DAY AFTER I GAVE MY LIFE TO CHRIST,
THEY COME INTO THE JOB AND THEY DRAG ME OUT
THAT JOB IN HANDCUFFS.
THEY SAID I OBTAINED MY GOVERNMENT CLEARANCE UNDER
FALSE PRETENSES BECAUSE I HAD A FELONY ON MY RECORD, RIGHT?
AND I'M SITTING IN A JAIL CELL THE DAY AFTER I GIVE
MY LIFE TO CHRIST.
BUT I'M IN THAT JAIL CELL AND
ALTHOUGH THERE'S BARS IN FRONT OF ME,
THERE'S NO BARS INSIDE OF ME.
REBECCA: AMEN.
PHILIP: I FEEL THIS DEEP WELL OF JUST PEACE LIKE I'M JUST
SETTLED IN MY HEART LIKE, LORD,
THIS IS HOW OUR JOURNEY IS GOING TO BEGIN?
OKAY.
OH, SO IT'S NOT ALL ROSY.
MINE'S STARTING WITH TROUBLE.
BUT I FEEL PEACE IN THE TROUBLE.
AND SO WHAT I FELT
FROM GOD WAS A LIQUID LOVE.
I JUST LOVE THE WAY YOU FRAMED THAT.
YEAH.
IT WAS A LIQUID LOVE.
IT CHANGED MY LIFE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
MY HUSBAND HAS A SIMILAR TESTIMONY WHERE HE
SAID IT WAS LIQUID LOVE AND HE CALLED, HE CALLED
OUT TO GOD IN DESPAIR AND GOD MET HIM.
AND THAT'S WHAT I LOVE IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT,
YOU KNOW, I LOVE CHURCH.
I LOVE CHURCH SERVICES.
I LOVE MINISTRY, BUT IT BOILS DOWN TO RELATIONSHIP.
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: AND WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH GOD.
WE NEED TO HAVE AN ENCOUNTER WITH GOD.
WE NEED TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHERE THE SHIFT HAPPENS.
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE
IS OVERFLOW FROM THE RELATIONSHIP.
THAT'S WHERE MINISTRY COMES FROM.
PHILIP: THAT'S POWERFUL WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
LIKE TWO THINGS RIGHT THERE,
I THINK IT'S SO POWERFUL.
I THINK THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY
CAN'T GET CLOSE TO GOD UNLESS THEY'RE INSIDE OF A
CHURCH SERVICE OR A CHURCH GATHERING.
LIKE GOD IS NOT LIMITED TO A BUILDING AND HE'S NOT
LIMITED TO A SERVICE, RIGHT?
GOD CAN MEET A HUMAN BEING ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME.
IT CAN BE SOMEONE IN THE ARMY.
SOMEBODY ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
FOR ME, IT WAS A BATHROOM.
FOR YOUR HUSBAND IT WAS?
REBECCA: COLLEGE.
PHILIP: COLLEGE, RIGHT, ON A CAMPUS IN A DORM BY HIMSELF,
RIGHT?
SO IT CAN BE ANYWHERE THAT GOD CAN --
HE'S LOVING ENOUGH AND PATIENT ENOUGH AND CARING
ENOUGH TO MEET US WHERE WE ARE ANYWHERE.
LIKE THERE'S SOMEBODY WATCHING THIS PODCAST
RIGHT NOW WHO THINKS THAT THEY'RE SO FAR GONE,
GOD CAN'T REACH THEM.
LIKE THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S IN PROSTITUTION.
THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S SELLING DRUGS.
THERE'S SOMEONE LISTENING TO US RIGHT NOW WHO IS SO
FAR AWAY THAT THEY THINK GOD WILL NEVER, NEVER MINISTER
OR TALK TO A PERSON LIKE ME.
AND WE KNOW THAT THIS
IS A CATEGORICAL LIE.
THAT GOD IS NOT AGAINST MEETING
SOMEONE WHEREVER THEY ARE.
HE WILL COME AND MEET YOU.
SO I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY POWERFUL
THAT HE WOULD DO THAT.
BUT THEN THE OTHER THING, TOO, THAT
I THINK IS VERY POWERFUL ABOUT ALL OF THAT IS THAT
JUST US HAVING THIS SENSE OF LIKE WHEN I, WHEN I
THINK ABOUT IT
LIKE CHRIST FILLED A VOID THAT WAS IN
MY HEART THAT THESE OTHER THINGS WAS NOT FILLING.
AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE BELIEVER
AND FOR THE UNBELIEVER WHO FEELS LIKE WE HAVE TO
OBTAIN ALL THESE THINGS FOR US TO BE FULLY SATISFIED.
LIKE CAN I BE,
CAN I BE ONE HUNDRED RIGHT HERE?
REBECCA: YEAH.
PHILIP: LIKE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT
THE FACT THAT IN OUR GENERATION,
WE THINK WE NEED TRINKETS AND TOYS TO BE FULLY
SATISFIED LIKE, LIKE
COME ON, MAN.
LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN
AND YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE EMPTINESS THERE
IF CHRIST IS NOT AT THE CENTER, RIGHT?
REBECCA: ABSOLUTELY.
PHILIP: AND SO I FEEL LIKE YOU CAN GET
THE BIG INSTAGRAM FOLLOWING,
YOU CAN GET THE BIG PLATFORMS.
YOU CAN DO ALL OF THAT.
IF CHRIST IS NOT AT THE CENTER,
WE'RE STILL GOING TO FEEL EMPTY.
AND SO WHEN I JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT HE DID
FOR ME IN THAT BATHROOM,
HE'S CONTINUING TO DO THAT FOR ME.
IN WHICH I'M LEARNING THAT WATCH, REBECCA,
HE IS THE REWARD, RIGHT?
CHRIST HIMSELF IS THE REWARD.
AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T SEE HIM AS A REWARD,
WE WILL SPEND A LIFETIME IN OUR FAITH
CHASING THINGS TO TRY TO SATISFY SOMETHING IN OUR
HEARTS THAT ONLY JESUS HIMSELF CAN FILL AND SATISFY.
REBECCA: HE IS THE REWARD.
PAUL TALKS ABOUT THAT AND IT'S WHY HE RUNS THE RACE.
PHILIP: COME ON.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW AND I THINK --
PHILIP: YOU'RE DIGGING IN MY FAVORITE SCRIPTURES RIGHT HERE.
COME ON, COME ON, COME ON,
WE'RE DIGGING.
REBECCA: BUT GOD'S BEEN TEACHING ME,
JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO
I THINK SUCH AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE,
WHICH IS YOU HIT
KIND OF THE DARKEST SEASON YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN,
IN MINISTRY.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT WHAT GOD IS TEACHING ME
NOW IS JESUS ENDURED, ENDURED THE HARDEST THING
GOING ON THE CROSS, BEING SEPARATED FROM HIS FATHER.
NEVER IN HIS LIFE
HE HAD EVER EXPERIENCED THAT.
THAT WAS THE WORST PART OF THE CROSS.
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: AND HE ENDURED THAT FOR THE JOY...
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: THAT WAS SET BEFORE HIM.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND I JUST HAD MY DAUGHTER,
HER MIDDLE NAME IS JOY.
AND I FEEL LIKE GOD IS TEACHING ME
I AM THE JOY.
RUN THE RACE.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: UNTANGLED.
DON'T -- STAY IN YOUR LANE.
KEEP GOING.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT YOU'RE WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO KEEP GOING
WHEN THINGS SEEM DARK OR WHEN THINGS SEEM DIFFICULT,
IS THAT JOY KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAND
BEFORE HIM AND HE'S THE PRIZE.
AND THAT WE CAN SAY WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT.
LIKE I DID WHAT YOU CALLED ME TO DO.
PHILIP: YOU KNOW WHAT'S SO POWERFUL
ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
IS THAT LIKE WHEN IT SAYS THAT HE ENDURED
THE CROSS FOR THE JOY
THAT WAS SET BEFORE HIM,
LIKE HE HAD YOU IN MIND.
REBECCA: I KNOW.
PHILIP: ISN'T THAT CRAZY AND HE HAD ME IN MIND, RIGHT?
IT'S LIKE --
IT'S LIKE WHAT IS HIS JOY?
LIKE HE'S NOT ENDURING THE CROSS BECAUSE HE WAS
A SINNER, RIGHT?
REBECCA: NO.
PHILIP: HE'S NOT ENDURING THE CROSS
BECAUSE HE WAS UNRIGHTEOUS.
HE'S NOT ENDURING THE CROSS
BECAUSE HE COMMITTED ANY WRONGS.
I MEAN, THINKING WHEN HE'S ENDURING THE CROSS,
HE SEES REBECCA.
HE SEES PHILIP.
HE SEES US.
SO PART OF THAT JOY WAS THE PEOPLE
HE SAW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SACRIFICE THAT
WOULD COME INTO THE FAMILY OF FAITH
BECAUSE OF THAT SACRIFICE.
SO YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE I WAS PART OF THE JOY THAT
HE, THAT HE SAW.
AND YOU WERE PART OF THE JOY THAT HE SAW.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE
WHO NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WAS ON HIS MIND
WHEN HE WENT TO THAT CROSS.
WE WAS A PART OF THE JOY THAT HE SAW.
SO FOR THE JOY,
HE SAW YOU AND I, MAN,
HE ENDURED THAT CROSS TO PROVIDE A WAY OF
ESCAPE FROM ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR REBECCA
AND FOR PHILIP AND FOR THE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE, THE
WORLD OVER, WHO HAVE COME TO FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
ISN'T THAT POWERFUL?
REBECCA: NO, IT'S SO TRUE.
AND I WAS JUST LOOKING THAT UP IN MY QUIET TIME
BECAUSE HE WAS BEGINNING TO, YOU KNOW, DOWNLOAD THIS
TO ME, UNFOLD THIS TO ME, AND SO I WAS RESEARCHING
WHAT WAS THE JOY?
AND HE SAID, PART OF THE JOY WAS THE PEOPLE HE
WOULD BRING INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD.
PHILIP: COME ON, SEE, WE'RE IN THE SPIRIT RIGHT NOW.
REBECCA: YEAH,
AND THAT'S THE -- I FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT REALLY SPOKE TO ME IS OUT OF ALL THE THINGS THAT
GOD ASKED TO BE CALLED BY US,
HE CHOSE FATHER.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO THE MOST ACCURATE WAY OF UNDERSTANDING
GOD IS GOD THE FATHER
JESUS BEING THE SON OF GOD,
AND WE EVEN SEE THAT DIALOGUE BETWEEN THEM.
IT WAS A FATHER-SON RELATIONSHIP.
AND HOW WE ARE ADOPTED INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD AND
HOW IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT IDENTITY.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET INTO, EVEN IN MINISTRY, IF YOU BEGIN TO
EXPERIENCE SUCCESS, BECAUSE SOMETIMES SUCCESS IN
MINISTRY ISN'T EVEN SUCCESS BY KINGDOM STANDARDS.
THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION.
PHILIP: OH, MAN, THAT'S A BIG CONVERSATION.
WE MIGHT NEED TO JUST -- WE NEED TO PUT A PIN IN THAT
AND COME BACK TO THAT.
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHOSE YOU ARE...
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR VALUE
ISN'T BY WHAT YOU DO, BUT BELONGING TO HIM,
YOU'LL BE SEARCHING FOR IDENTITY
AND PURPOSE IN WHAT YOU DO
AND THROUGH THE ACCOLADES OF PEOPLE.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THEN IF IT'S DEPENDENT ON THAT, YOU'RE
GOING TO GET DISAPPOINTED.
PHILIP: YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S WHAT'S ALSO VERY
SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT?
THE UNKNOWN WRITER OF HEBREWS, RIGHT?
IN HEBREWS CHAPTER 12,
HE'S MAKING A --
THE PHILIP ANTHONY MITCHELL TRANSLATION, RIGHT?
HE'S MAKING A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE HEAVENLY
FATHER AND EARTHLY FATHERS.
SO HE'S MAKING THIS THIS COMPARISON.
AND IF YOU FOLLOW THE TEXT CAREFULLY,
WE SEE THAT EARTHLY
FATHERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A PROTOTYPE
OF THE HEAVENLY FATHER.
HE'S USING DISCIPLINE AND LOVE, RIGHT?
SO EVEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
WHAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL
IS THAT THE LORD REVEALED
GOD TO US AS A FATHER.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THE BATTLE THAT THE ENEMY
IS WAGING WAR IN SOCIETY TO RUIN
THE IMAGE OF FATHER, RIGHT?
SO EVEN LIKE WHEN I WAS A SCHOOL TEACHER LIKE 50% OF
MY STUDENTS WAS NEVER RAISED WITH A FATHER.
SO YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE EVEN IN THE AVERAGE HOME,
LIKE WHO'S THE DEVIL COMING FOR FIRST?
HE'S COMING FOR THAT MAN.
HE'S COMING FOR THAT FATHER.
THE DEVIL'S DOING EVERYTHING
HE CAN TO RUIN THE IMAGE OF FATHERHOOD IN OUR SOCIETY.
SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO RELATION WITH GOD,
IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO CONNECT WITH GOD AS A FATHER.
SO THEY -- WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD FATHER,
THEY THINK REJECTION.
WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD FATHER,
THEY THINK ABANDONMENT.
WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD FATHER,
THEY THINK NOT DEPENDABLE.
WHEN THEY HEAR THE WORD FATHER,
THEY THINK ALL THESE THINGS.
BUT THIS IS WHO GOD REVEALED HIMSELF US TO US
THROUGH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS FATHER.
THAT KIND OF ABBA IN GREEK, THAT WARM,
THAT WE CAN CLIMB UP ON HIS LAP IN PRAYER
AND BE CLOSE TO HIM.
SO I THINK, I THINK JUST AS BEAUTIFUL AS JESUS REVEALED
THE FATHER TO US,
I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE ENEMY'S PLOT
TO DESTROY THE IMAGE OF FATHER IN SOCIETY.
IT'S WHY WE SHOULD BE PRAYING FOR OUR FATHERS
AND BELIEVING FOR OUR FATHERS
AND ENCOURAGING OUR FATHERS
THAT THEIR ROLE IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN JUST
BEING A PHYSICAL PROVIDER OR JUST BEING
THE PROGENITOR OF CHILDREN.
NO, THAT YOU SEAT YOU SIT IN
IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE CHILDREN.
MAN, THERE'S SOME FATHERS WATCHING US RIGHT NOW THAT
WE JUST NEED TO ENCOURAGE THAT, BRO,
LISTEN TO ME.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW
IF THERE'S A CAMERA ON ME.
LISTEN, THAT SEAT
YOU SIT IN IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
THOSE CHILDREN YOU HAVE
ARE NOT JUST OFFSPRING TO THROW AWAY, MAN.
WE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT
WE'RE HAVING ON THESE LITTLE ONES WHO WILL COME
TO KNOW GOD ONE DAY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEN WHAT
WOULD WE HAVE TAUGHT THEM THROUGH THE WAY THAT WE LIVE.
NOW, IF YOU FEEL LIKE HE WAS A BAD FATHER,
THERE'S GRACE FOR THAT.
BUT FOR THE YOUNG FATHERS,
MEN WHO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, MAN,
WE GOTTA TAKE SERIOUSLY
WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN US LIKE.
LIKE THIS GENERATION WE WANT PLATFORMS AND TITLES
AND ALL THIS STUFF, MAN.
MAN, ONE OF THE GREATEST CALLINGS
WE HAVE IS TO BE A PARENT, IS TO BE A FATHER.
SO JUST I DON'T KNOW WHO'S WATCHING THIS, SOMEBODY NEEDS --
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE MAD
THAT I TALK LIKE THAT.
JUST TAKE THE CALLING OF BEING A FATHER SERIOUS
BECAUSE YOU NEVER UNDERSTAND THE KINGDOM
IMPACT OF YOU
JUST BEING A GOOD PROTOTYPE OF THE FATHER
THEY'RE GOING TO MEET ONE DAY WHEN THEY KNOW JESUS
FOR THEMSELF AND THEY KNOW GOD FOR THEMSELVES.
REBECCA: AND GOD, THAT MESSAGE IS SO TRUE.
THERE IS SUCH AN ATTACK ON FATHERS.
FATHERLESSNESS IS ONE
OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IN SOCIETY.
PHILIP: IT'S RAMPANT.
IT'S RAMPANT.
REBECCA: AND IT IS CALCULATED BY THE ENEMY
AND HOW HE SHIFTED CULTURE.
BUT I FEEL LIKE PART OF --
BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ABOUT REVIVAL.
I THINK A HUGE ASPECT OF REVIVAL
IS THE REVIVAL OF THE FAMILY.
PHILIP: OH, YOU BETTER TALK ABOUT IT, REBECCA, COME ON.
REBECCA: AND HOW GOD IS GLORIFIED THROUGH THAT AND
HOW THEY'RE CONNECTED.
AND EVEN IN PRAYER,
ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL LIKE GOD HAS SHOWN ME IS HE'S LIKE,
HE SAID, I'M ALL ABOUT FAMILY.
PHILIP: COME ON.
REBECCA: BECAUSE HE SAID I'M THE GOD OF YOUR FATHER'S.
YOU KNOW, HE'S ALWAYS SPOKEN TO US RELATIONALLY.
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: AND SO GOD WANTS TO SEE THE FAMILY RESTORED.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND HE CAN DO IT.
PHILIP: YEAH.
NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY IS HE THE GOD OF FAMILIES,
BUT WHAT'S SO POWERFUL IS LIKE SO REMEMBER WHEN PAUL
IS WRITING TO THE CHURCH IN EPHESUS, RIGHT?
HE SAYS SOMETHING VERY POWERFUL.
WHEN HE WRITES TO
THE CHURCH IN EPHESUS,
HE TELLS US THAT MARRIAGE IS NOT JUST ONLY A UNION
BETWEEN A HUSBAND AND A WIFE,
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A PICTURE OF CHRIST
IN THE CHURCH, RIGHT?
SO WHEREVER THERE IS A GODLY MARRIAGE,
THERE IS A PICTURE OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH.
SO NOT ONLY IS THE ENEMY FIGHTING FATHERS,
BUT I THINK HE'S ALSO FIGHTING MARRIAGE.
SO IF HE COULD DESTROY FATHERHOOD,
HE MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO CONNECT WITH GOD
AND UNDERSTAND GOD AS A FATHER.
BUT IF HE COULD DESTROY MARRIAGE, THEN HE RUINS
THE IMAGE IN THE EARTH OF CHRIST IN THE CHURCH.
SO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND OR MY
WIFE AND I, WE'RE NOT --
WE DON'T JUST HAVE JUST A MATRIMONY.
WE HAVE TOGETHER A PICTURE OF CHRIST IN THE CHURCH.
AND THIS IS WHY, I DON'T KNOW, I'M ABOUT TO GET IN
TROUBLE ON YOUR PODCAST.
REBECCA: DO IT.
PHILIP: ARE YOU SURE?
REBECCA: YEAH.
PHILIP: YOU'RE GIVING ME PERMISSION?
REBECCA: COMPLETE PERMISSION.
PHILIP: THIS IS WHY LIKE,
THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BE SMART ABOUT OUR ELECTED
OFFICIALS, HOW WE VOTE, HOW WE PRAY AND UNDERSTAND
THAT ALL THIS STUFF MATTERS.
ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN SOCIETY WHO ARE
WORKING OVERTIME TO DESTROY THE IMAGE OF MARRIAGE.
SINCE WHEN DOES HUMAN BEINGS HAVE
THE RIGHT TO REDEFINE
WHAT GOD HAS CREATED?
REBECCA: YEAH.
PHILIP: YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THE NAME OF LOVE.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THE NAME OF FILLING A BLANK.
WE'RE DOING THAT IN THE NAME OF IGNORANCE AND IT'S
GOING TO COST A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY DIE.
AND YOU GOTTA STAND IN FRONT OF THE GOD WHO GAVE US
BIBLICAL MARRIAGE IN THE BEGINNING.
THIS IS NOT ME BEING ANTI A COMMUNITY.
I LOVE ALL PEOPLE.
THIS IS ME BEING ANTI-DECEPTION.
AND THAT WHAT THE ENEMY IS DOING IS NOT ONLY
WREAKING HAVOC WITH FATHERS,
BUT HE'S ALSO WREAKING HAVOC WITH MARRIAGE.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE LAWS AND WE'VE TRIED TO
REDEFINE IT AND ALL THESE THINGS.
AND WHAT WE DO IS
THE ENEMY'S PLOY TO USE LOVE AS AN ATTEMPT TO
REDEFINE AN IMAGE THAT GOD ESTABLISHED.
AND WHAT SHOULD GO OUT OF OUR HEARTS IS NOT JUST
PICKETING AND HATE.
BUT LOVE THAT MOVES US TO PRAYER BOTH
FOR THE RESTORATION OF BIBLICAL MARRIAGE,
BUT ALSO FOR THE SALVATION AND THE OPENING OF THE
EYES OF THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A
PICTURE OF SOMETHING GOD CREATED THAT REPRESENTS
CHRIST AND THE CHURCH.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET HATE MAIL.
PEOPLE GOING TO
TRY DM ME AND ALL THAT STUFF AND I DON'T CARE.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE
BELIEVING COMMUNITY TODAY NEEDS TO FIGHT
FOR BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.
REBECCA: OH, ABSOLUTELY.
PHILIP: IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SOCIETY,
THAT'S GOING TO FLOURISH AND BE WHOLE,
WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR BIBLICAL MARRIAGE AND WE HAVE TO
FIGHT FOR THE ROLE OF THE FATHER.
I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
REBECCA: YEAH, MARRIAGE,
THE DECEPTION IN SOCIETY IS THAT MARRIAGE IS
A MAN MADE THING.
MARRIAGE IS A GOD THING.
PHILIP: COME ON.
REBECCA: SO ONLY HE CAN
DEFINE WHAT IT IS.
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: AND, YOU KNOW, THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
AND I THINK MARRIAGE IS ONE OF THE BACKBONES OF SOCIETY.
PHILIP: IT IS THE BACKBONE OF SOCIETY.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL OF GENESIS 1 AND 2.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
AND SO IT'S LIKE IT IS, IT IS THE BACKBONE OF SOCIETY.
IT IS THE FIRST,
IT IS THE FIRST ENTITY THAT GOD
CREATED FOR HUMAN BEINGS WAS THAT INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE.
THE FIRST INSTITUTION,
BEFORE THERE WAS A CHURCH,
BEFORE THERE WAS PLATFORMS,
BEFORE IT WAS ALL THESE THINGS.
THE FIRST INSTITUTION
GOD CREATES IS MARRIAGE.
SO, THERE IS SOMETHING VERY POWERFUL ABOUT THAT UNION.
AND I FEEL LIKE THOSE OF US
WHO HAVE FIDELITY TO THE WORD OF GOD SHOULD ALSO
HAVE THE COURAGE TO DEFEND BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.
NOT WITH HATE,
BUT WITH LOVE THAT PULLS PEOPLE OUT OF DECEPTION.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WHAT DECEPTION IS GOING TO DO
IS GOING TO LEAD PEOPLE TO AN INFERNO
THAT THEY'RE NOT READY.
THEY'RE NOT READY FOR.
YOU SEE I'M SAYING?
SO IT'S NOT,
IT'S NOT US YOU AND I SPEAKING DOWN TO
A COMMUNITY OR SPEAKING DOWN TO PEOPLE
WHOSE ANTI -MARRIAGE.
THIS IS US TRYING TO REACH OUT WITH LOVE TO SAY
YOU'RE HEADED FOR DESTRUCTION AND WE'RE
TRYING TO PULL YOU OUT OF THAT.
I MEAN, ISN'T THAT WHAT PAUL SAID WHEN HE WROTE TO THE
CHURCH IN COLOSSAE?
HE SAID TO THE CHURCH, COLOSSIANS CHAPTER 1, VERSE 28.
HE SAYS I'M NOT GOING TO PREACH,
BUT I JUST WANT TO --
I WANT TO --
REBECCA: NO, GO FOR IT.
PHILIP: OKAY, HE SAYS HIM WE PROCLAIM,
TALKING ABOUT CHRIST.
NOW WATCH THIS WORD, WARNING EVERYONE,
TEACHING EVERYONE
THAT WE MAY PRESENT
EVERYONE, RIGHT?
MATURE BEFORE CHRIST.
AND SO IF THERE IS NO WARNING,
THERE IS NO BIBLICAL PREACHING.
REBECCA: YEAH.
PHILIP: WHERE THERE'S BIBLICAL PREACHING,
WHERE THERE'S BIBLICAL PROCLAMATION,
THERE MUST BE WARNING.
WE CAN'T SEE BIBLICAL PREACHERS JUST TELLING
PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR,
WHILE THEY'RE SITTING
IN PEWS HEADED TO HELL.
PART OF BIBLICAL PROCLAMATION IS ALSO
WARNING PEOPLE THAT WHAT YOU LOVE IS GOING TO CARRY
YOU TO A BURNING INFERNO AND IT'S NOT WORTH YOUR SOUL.
SO THIS IS NOT YOU AND I BEING JUDGMENTAL.
THIS IS US HONORING
WHAT PAUL SAID TO THE CHURCH OF COLOSSAE.
WARNING EVERYONE AND TEACHING EVERYONE WITH ALL WISDOM
THAT WE MAY PRESENT EVERYONE MATURE BEFORE
CHRIST WITH THE HOPES THAT THEIR SOULS WILL BE SAVED.
THERE MUST BE WARNING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING
RIGHT NOW IN CULTURE.
WE MAY PAY A PRICE FOR THAT,
BUT SOMEBODY GOT TO DO THAT.
REBECCA: AND LIKE YOU SAID,
IT'S NOT FROM A PLACE OF JUDGEMENT.
PHILIP: NO.
REBECCA: IT'S A PLACE OF LOVE.
PHILIP: LOVE.
REBECCA: THE BIBLE SAYS THAT
IT'S THE LOVE OF CHRIST, PAUL SAYS, THAT COMPELS US.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND HE SAYS HE'S GIVEN US THIS MINISTRY OF
RECONCILIATION AND WE SAY BE RECONCILED WITH GOD.
PHILIP: COME ON.
REBECCA: BUT YOU CAN'T RECONCILE GOD WITH YOUR OLD SINFUL WAYS.
WHEN YOU COME INTO HIM,
HE TRANSFORMS YOU.
AND IT'S LIKE YOU SAID,
YOU'RE WEARING BLACK.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY, IT'S AN OUTWARD
REPRESENTATION OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAYING
I HAVE DIED TO SIN.
I'VE DIED TO THE OLD WAYS.
I'M BEING RAISED IN CHRIST.
SO ALL OF US WHO JOIN HIM,
THAT'S WHY WE GET BAPTIZED.
IT'S A PICTURE THAT WE ARE DEAD TO SINS, DEAD TO OUR
OLD WAY OF LIVING, AND JUST LIKE CHRIST,
HE WAS THE VERY FIRST, FIRST, FIRST BORN FROM
AMONG THE DEAD.
HE WAS THE EXAMPLE.
HE WAS THE PIONEER.
HE WAS THE ONE WHO PAVED THE WAY.
WE DIE.
AND THEN WE ARE RAISED TO LIFE IN HIM.
AND WE ARE NO LONGER --
PHILIP: YOU'RE A PREACHER, REBECCA.
YOU'RE READY TO PREACH.
REBECCA: WELL, IT'S EASY WITH YOU.
PHILIP: YOU'RE A WHOLE PREACHER.
REBECCA: IT'S EASY.
JUST LIKE IT WILL BE A PING PONG
TOURNAMENT BACK AND FORTH.
PHILIP: BUT EVEN, EVEN, EVEN,
LIKE EVEN THE FACT THAT YOU MENTIONED LIKE THE FACT
I WEAR BLACK.
LIKE I HAVEN'T WALKED COLORS
SINCE DECEMBER 2018
WHEN I CAME BACK FROM ISRAEL.
SO FOR ME,
IT'S MY PUBLIC TESTIMONY TO SAY THAT
I'M, I'M DEAD TO CULTURE.
BUT I THINK LIKE EVEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEATH,
I THINK THAT'S ONGOING, RIGHT?
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A PERPETUAL DYING
ON THE INSIDE OF THINGS
WE KNOW THAT ARE NOT RIGHT BEFORE GOD.
LIKE, LIKE THERE'S NOBODY ON THIS PODCAST RIGHT NOW
THAT'S PERFECT, RIGHT?
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THE HUMILITY TO HAVE
A PERPETUAL DYING OF OURSELVES IN WHICH WE'RE
WRINGING OUT OUR SIN,
WE'RE WRINGING OUT THE THINGS IN OUR HEARTS.
WE'RE RECOGNIZING THINGS IN OUR HEARTS
THAT'S NOT RIGHT AND I'M GOING TO GO FURTHER.
AND WE HAVE TO, WATCH THIS WORD, HUMILITY TO PRAY
WHAT DAVID PRAYED.
LORD, SEARCH MY HEART.
COME ON.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.
SEARCH MY HEART.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE
THAT'S NOT RIGHT,
YO, DEAL WITH THAT THING.
SO WE'RE NOT WALKING AROUND
SMELLING OURSELVES THINKING
THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE.
NO, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PERPETUAL DYING TO
OURSELVES OF ALL THESE THINGS IN US THAT IS
OFFENSIVE TO A HOLY GOD.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE
A FILTER OUTSIDE OF US AS A, AS A BAROMETER
FOR WHAT'S GOING ON.
LIKE I CAN'T BE THE SOLE AUTHORITY IN MY LIFE.
I GOTTA BE SAYING, LORD, SEARCH ME.
IF THERE'S THINGS
I DESIRE THAT'S NOT RIGHT,
DEAL WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S THINGS THAT I'M GOING AFTER
THAT'S NOT RIGHT,
DEAL WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S THINGS IN MY LIFE THAT'S NOT -- AND WE NEED TO
INFILTRATE AMERICAN PREACHING WITH THAT TYPE
OF HUMILITY IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT
THE CONDITION OF THEIR HEART.
YOU KNOW WITHOUT THAT IT'S LIKE, I MEAN,
WHAT DO WE HAVE IN AMERICA?
WE, WE PREACH IN SIN.
WE SING IN SIN.
WE SERVE IN SIN.
WE JUST --
IT'S JUST SIN IS JUST LIKE A PET
THAT WE KEEP ON A LEASH.
WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THIS STUFF IN OUR HEART.
WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS IN OUR HEARTS.
SO IT'S NOT --
IT'S NOT JUST WEARING BLACK.
IT'S ARE WE DOING IT ON THE INSIDE?
IS THERE A PERPETUAL DYING ON THE INSIDE
OF THE THINGS
THAT'S NOT RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD.
DOES THAT MAKES SENSE?
REBECCA: NO, IT MAKES --
PHILIP: THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE ME
ON YOUR PODCAST, REBECCA.
THEY'RE GOING --
REBECCA: NO, THEY'RE GOING TO LOVE IT.
PHILIP: THEY'RE NOT GOING LIKE ME.
REBECCA: I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE
WHO WATCH THIS ARE SO HUNGRY.
AND LIKE I -- THE REASON WHY I DO
THIS IS I WANT TO BRING STUFF
THAT'S EDIFYING TO THE PERSON AND ENCOURAGING AS WELL.
AND I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE SO SPIRITUALLY HUNGRY.
AND WHEN YOU'RE HUNGRY, YOU WANT TO HEAR STUFF LIKE THIS,
BECAUSE IT FEEDS YOUR SPIRIT.
BUT WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS WHEN I -- WHERE HOW
ONE OF THE THINGS I DO IN MY QUIET TIME,
AND I LEARNED THIS IN BIBLE SCHOOL IN WORSHIP CLASS,
BUT THE MOSAIC TABERNACLE IN HEBREWS IT'S
A TYPE OF PICTURE OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN HEAVEN.
PHILIP: YES.
REBECCA: AND SO I ACTUALLY WALK
THROUGH THAT TABERNACLE IN
MY PRAYER TIME.
AND THE SECOND THING --
PHILIP: FROM THE OUTER COURT INTO
THE HOLY OF HOLIES.
COME ON, REBECCA.
REBECCA: SO THE FIRST, THE FIRST THING IS YOU ENTER THROUGH
THE GATES WITH THANKSGIVING.
BUT THE SECOND THING IS THAT ALTAR,
THAT BRAZEN ALTAR.
AND SO I'M CONSTANTLY THROWING MY LIFE UP ON
THAT ALTAR AND I'M SAYING WHATEVER IS NOT PLEASING
TO YOU, BURN IT UP AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEFORE YOU
EVEN GET INTO THE --
PHILIP: HOLY OF HOLIES.
REBECCA: THE HOLY PLACE AND THE HOLY OF HOLIES.
SO THE HOLY PLACE
IS WHERE YOU HAVE COMMUNION,
BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE COMMUNION UNTIL YOU THROW
YOUR LIFE ON THAT ALTAR.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THEN YOU GET WASHED IN THE WORD.
THEN YOU ENTER IN
AND YOU CAN SIT AT THE TABLE OF SHEWBREAD.
PHILIP: YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE?
I LOVE, I LOVE THAT
YOU KEEP, YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT
YOUR PRAYER TIME.
AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT YET.
BUT YOU KEEP MENTIONING THAT AND I THINK IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING,
LIKE EVEN WHAT YOU'RE BROACHING RIGHT NOW
ABOUT PRAYER TIME.
I THINK IT'S SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, RIGHT?
LIKE SO, LIKE PEOPLE
MAY KNOW ME FOR PROCLAMATION, RIGHT?
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE STRONGEST PART OF MY LIFE.
I FEEL LIKE THE STRONGEST PART OF MY LIFE IS WHAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MY QUIET TIME.
AND I SAY ALL
THE TIME THAT I HAVE A VERY FEROCIOUS PRAYER LIFE
NOT BECAUSE I'M A SUPER CHRISTIAN,
BUT BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF BROKENNESS.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
PHILIP: AND MY BROKENNESS LEADS ME
TO THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD.
AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS IN FULL TRANSPARENCY.
I ACTUALLY WOULD RATHER BE IN MY PRAYER ROOM
THAN ON A PLATFORM.
I WOULD RATHER BE ALONE WITH JESUS IN MY PRAYER
ROOM THAN PREACHING A MESSAGE.
I WOULD RATHER BE ALONE WITH CHRIST THAN ON A --
THAN IN A CONFERENCE.
AND I THINK THERE ARE BELIEVERS --
REBECCA: YEAH, THE SAME.
PHILIP: YEAH, THERE ARE BELIEVERS
WHO ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING TO US RIGHT NOW
WHO THEY'RE TRYING TO DO MINISTRY FROM A PLACE OF EMPTY.
REBECCA: THAT'S BURN OUT.
PHILIP: THEY'RE TRYING TO DO
ALL THIS STUFF IN THE NAME OF JESUS
FROM A PLACE OF EMPTY.
AND I FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE
A REVIVAL OF THE PRAYER ROOM.
A REVIVAL OF WHAT I JUST
CALL FROM THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT, THE SECRET PLACE.
I THINK, MAN,
I THINK IN AMERICA CHRISTIANS ARE BUSY,
BUT WE'RE NOT INTIMATE WITH THE LORD.
SO WE'RE DOING PODCASTS.
WE'RE PREACHING.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK.
WE'RE BEING PARENTS.
WE'RE BUSY, BUSY, BUSY AND THEN
PRAYER IS AN OFFSHOOT.
I THROW IT UP FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE WAY TO WORK.
BUT IT'S NOT LIKE US CULTIVATING THE SECRET PLACE.
IT'S NOT US CULTIVATING A LIFE IN WHICH WE HAVE THIS
DEEP WELL OF INTIMACY WITH JESUS THAT THERE'S THIS
THING GOING ON BETWEEN HE AND I IN PRIVATE IN WHICH
EVERYTHING IS FLOWING OUT OF THAT.
SO HEALING IS
FLOWING OUT OF THAT.
REVELATION IS FLOWING OUT OF THAT.
COMFORT IS FLOWING OUT OF THAT.
PEACE IS FLOWING OUT OF THAT.
MINISTRY IS FLOWING OUT OF THAT.
THAT THE BEST TREATMENT FOR THE HUMAN
HEART IS THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST.
REBECCA: IT IS.
PHILIP: YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
AND FOR SOME PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND LIKE, LIKE THEY GOTTA STOP SEEING PRAYERS
LIKE A CHORE, LIKE SOMETHING OBLIGATORY THAT
LIKE IF I DON'T DO THIS, THE LORD'S GOING TO BE MAD.
NO, IF YOU DON'T TALK TO HIM,
HE'S NOT GOING TO BE MAD.
YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE DISTANT.
BUT MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, MAN,
LIKE YOU GO IN THERE AND YOU GO IN THERE
LIKE WHEN YOU TALK AND YOU JUST SIT WITH THE LORD.
AND YOU PRAISE HIM,
YOU WORSHIP HIM, YOU PASS THROUGH THOSE CHAMBERS
AND YOU GET TO THAT HOLY PLACE WHERE IT'S JUST YOU AND HIM.
AND THERE'S NO RUSH AND IT'S JUST HE AND I AND
WE'RE TOGETHER AND I CAN CRY AND I CAN BE HONEST
AND I CAN TELL HIM HOW I FEEL.
I CAN TELL HIM I'M HURT.
I CAN TELL HIM I'M ANGRY.
I CAN TELL HIM MY NEEDS.
SOMETIMES I TELL HIM NOTHING.
SOMETIMES I JUST WEEP.
AND MY TEARS ARE MY LIQUID PRAYERS
BECAUSE HE CAN READ TEARS TOO.
AND SOMETIMES WE GO IN THERE.
I FEEL HEAT, BECAUSE I LIKE THIS AND SOMETIMES,
SOMETIMES WE GO IN THERE,
AND WE JUST, WE JUST SIT STILL.
AND MAYBE PUT ON SOME WORSHIP MUSIC.
AND I WOULD THAT, THAT I CAN ENCOURAGE MORE
BELIEVERS TO JUST TAKE THE SECRET PLACE MORE SERIOUS, MAN.
LIKE, LIKE THERE IS NO OTHER FORMULA
FOR THE HUMAN HEART
THAT'S GOING TO BE BETTER FOR THE SOUL
THAN THE TIME
WE SPEND IN THE SECRET PLACE WITH JESUS.
SO THE FACT THAT YOU KEEP, LIKE YOU AND I JUST MET,
BUT I'M, I'M PICKING UP ON THIS, LIKE WE VIBING THAT
YOU LIKE YOUR SECRET PLACE.
YOU LIKE YOUR PRAYER CLOSET,
WHATEVER THAT IS, YOU LIKE THAT PLACE,
BUT YOU LIKE THAT PLACE OF WHO YOU'RE SPENDING TIME WITH.
YOU'RE SPENDING TIME WITH JESUS.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
PHILIP: RIGHT, AND HE'S HE'S PULLING YOU IN THERE,
AND YOU'RE ENJOYING BEING WITH HIM.
AND I THINK IF WE
CAN HELP PEOPLE SEE, MAN, LIKE, MAN,
THIS IS WHERE THE MAGIC HAPPENS.
I WANT TO REFERENCE ONE THING YOU SAID.
THIS IS WHERE THE MOST TRANSFORMATION HAPPENS,
LIKE IT'S NOT JUST HAPPENING IN THE GATHERING
OR IN A SUNDAY MORNING SERVICE.
IT DOES HAPPEN THERE, BUT I THINK GOD DOES HIS BEST
WORK IN US IN THAT SECRET PLACE.
WOULD YOU AGREE?
REBECCA: NO, I COMPLETELY AGREE.
I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS 19 AND WAS CALLED
TO MINISTRY AND I STARTED BIBLE SCHOOL,
ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS
HE TAUGHT ME IS HE SAID EVERYTHING YOU'LL NEED FOR
LIFE IN MINISTRY WILL FLOW FROM RELATIONSHIP WITH ME.
PHILIP: WOW.
REBECCA: SO FOCUS ON RELATIONSHIP WITH ME.
AND WHEN I WAS 17 EARLIER,
AND I WAS LOST, MY OWN TESTIMONY WAS LOST,
AND I REMEMBER PRAYING IN THE BACK OF A CHURCH CAMP.
AND I SAID, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE A CHRISTIAN.
AND HE QUOTED JOHN 15 TO ME.
HE SAID ABIDE IN ME
AND I'LL ABIDE IN YOU.
I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS QUOTING THE BIBLE TO ME.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT,
BUT IT WOULD BE COMFORTING TO ME LATER AS HE TAUGHT ME.
THIS IS WHAT LIFE WITH CHRIST IS.
IT'S ABOUT ABIDING IN HIM
AND THEN HE PRODUCES THE FRUIT.
AND THEN HE PRUNES US BECAUSE HE LOVES US AND HE
WANTS US TO BEAR MORE FRUIT FOR HIS GLORY.
BUT IT ALL COMES FROM THE SECRET PLACE.
AND YOU ALSO HIT ON SOMETHING
THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT ON THIS
PODCAST, BUT FOR THIS LAST YEAR HAS BEEN SO LIKE
RINGING SO TRUE FOR ME IS HOW IMPORTANT HUMILITY IS.
LIKE IF ANYONE WOULD HAVE EVER ASKED ME
WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THE WALK WITH CHRIST,
I WOULD SAY HUMILITY.
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE HUMBLE,
GOD WILL MEET YOU.
PHILIP: YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF US TO SOME
DEGREE ARE INFECTED WITH SOME MEASURE
OF PRIDE AND ARROGANCE.
REBECCA: YES, IT'S SO EASY.
IT'S NOT HARD.
PHILIP: RIGHT.
IT'S EASY TO FEEL YOURSELF.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING THERE?
RIGHT?
IT'S LIKE IT'S EASY TO FEEL LIKE --
YOU'RE FEELING YOURSELF TODAY,
STAY DOWN, RIGHT?
AND I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING IS SO POWERFUL, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS
A BEAUTY IN HUMILITY.
IT SHOWS, IT SHOWS HONOR FOR GOD.
IT SHOWS DEFERENCE.
IT REMINDS GOD --
REBECCA: AND A NEED FOR GOD.
PHILIP: YEAH, IT SHOWS OUR NEED,
OUR DEPENDENCY.
AND I THINK GOD IS DRAWN TO HUMILITY.
HE IS DRAWN TO BROKENNESS.
HE'S DRAWN TO LONELINESS.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING
BEAUTIFUL WHEN WE CAN RECOGNIZE WHEN PRIDE IS
CREEPING UP OR WHEN ARROGANCE IS CREEPING UP.
AND THEN WE RUN TO THAT SECRET PLACE SAY, GOD,
WRING THIS OUT OF ME.
JESUS, YOU ARE MY REWARD.
AND I THINK HUMILITY IS SO IMPORTANT.
I THINK GOD CAN TRUST PEOPLE WHO ARE HUMBLE.
I THINK HE CAN, HE CAN,
HE CAN GRANT PEOPLE THINGS WHO ARE HUMBLE.
YOU CAN BE TRUSTED
WHEN YOU'RE HUMBLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED IN
THE BODY OF CHRIST, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FACT
THAT YOU AND I LIVE IN A GENERATION WHERE EVERYBODY
IS VYING FOR LIGHTS --
REBECCA: ATTENTION.
PHILIP: LIKES, ATTENTION, PLATFORMS.
REBECCA: IT'S VERY SELF-FOCUSED.
PHILIP: SELF- FOCUSED, IT'S ME-FOCUSED.
IT'S WE, WE OVERDO SELF-LOVE.
EVERYTHING IS ME.
WE -- THIS IS THE MOST NARCISSISTIC GENERATION
IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
REBECCA: IT IS.
PHILIP: YOU KNOW WE, WE ARE --
WE, I MEAN, EVERY PICTURE IS ME.
EVERYTHING IS ABOUT ME.
AND I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S NAUSEATING
TO THE LORD.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
SO THERE MUST BE AN OUTPOURING OF HUMILITY ON
THE BODY OF CHRIST IN THIS HOUR.
ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUR
WHEN WE ARE JUST DROWNING IN NARCISSISM, YEAH.
REBECCA: I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT, THAT WE, BECAUSE
THE WAY THE CULTURE IS AND, I MEAN, IT TALKS ABOUT THIS
IN TIMOTHY, PEOPLE WHO BE LOVERS OF SELF --
PHILIP: YOU KNOW YOUR BIBLE.
REBECCA: IN THE LAST DAYS.
I LOVE THE BIBLE.
WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT --
YOU SAID THAT IN YOUR, I WAS READING NOTES ABOUT
YOU AND YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW OUR GENERATION
IS BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE.
PHILIP: YES.
REBECCA: I WAS LIKE AMEN.
AND THAT IS WHERE DECEPTION --
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE IT'S PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THE WORD,
IT SOUNDS GOOD.
THERE'S THAT, THERE'S THAT VERSE
IT SAYS THERE'S A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT TO MAN.
PHILIP: SEEMS RIGHT TO MAN, RIGHT.
REBECCA: BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT.
PHILIP: WHAT'S CRAZY TOO IS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID IN OUR
CHURCH THE MORE TRUTH YOU KNOW,
THE EASIER IT IS TO DISCERN A LIE.
AND EVEN IN MY OWN CHURCH,
I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
DON'T JUST BELIEVE EVERYTHING I SAY.
IT'S LIKE I FEEL LIKE OUR GENERATION,
WE TRUST MORE IN SERMONS THAN IN THE WORD OF GOD, RIGHT?
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE AND THEN, AND THEN WE
BLAME THE DEVIL FOR EVERYTHING HAPPENING
IN THE CHURCH.
I MEAN, JESUS SAID OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH,
THE GATES OF HELL CAN'T PREVAIL.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAY
THE GREATEST THREAT TO THE AMERICAN CHURCH
IS THE AMERICAN PULPIT.
IT'S ME.
IT'S THE PASTORS.
IT'S THOSE WHO ARE SHEPHERDS
WHO ARE TASKED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR PROCLAIMING.
WE ARE THE PEOPLE LEADING GOD'S
PEOPLE ASTRAY, RIGHT?
AND WHAT THIS GENERATION NEEDS IS TO JUST FALL BACK
IN LOVE WITH THE SCRIPTURES.
SO THAT WHEN WE HEAR FALSE DOCTRINE,
WE KNOW IT, RIGHT?
LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
IF WE ABIDE, WE WILL KNOW WHAT IS FALSE.
AND ESPECIALLY SINCE WE LIVE IN AN ATMOSPHERE OF DECEPTION,
WE NEED TO BE ANCHORED IN TRUTH.
NOT YOUR TRUTH.
YOU LIVE MY TRUTH.
GOD'S TRUTH.
IF WE'RE ANCHORED IN THE WORD,
WE WON'T BE LED ASTRAY BY ALL THIS DECEPTION.
REBECCA: YEAH, AND THE THING IS JESUS SAYS I'M SENDING YOU
THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT HE'LL LEAD YOU INTO ALL TRUTH.
PHILIP: ALL TRUTH, YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO GOD HAS GIVEN US HIS SPIRIT.
HE LIVES IN US.
PHILIP: YES.
REBECCA: AND SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO
HAVE RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHEN THEY THINK
OF THE SECRET PLACE,
THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT OR THEY THINK ABOUT YOU
NEED TO BE GROUNDED IN THE WORD.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT,
ONCE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO SELF.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IT IN YOUR OWN STRENGTH...
PHILIP: OWN STRENGTH.
REBECCA: IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
IF YOU TRY TO PRAY IN YOUR OWN STRENGTH,
I DON'T LIKE -- I HATE THAT.
BUT IF I TURN PRAYER INTO
BEING WITH GOD.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THEN HE ALIGNS MY HEART
WITH HIS AND THEN THAT'S WHERE I INTERCEDE.
PHILIP: PRAYER IS WHERE THE POWER IS.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE
THE POWER IS, IT'S IN PRAYER.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
HE'S THE SOURCE AND THEN WE TAP INTO HIM AND SO THE SAME
THING WITH THE WORD.
I LOVE THE WORD BECAUSE HE HAS GIVEN ME HIS SPIRIT.
AND IT SAYS, GOD, GIVE ME EYES TO SEE, YOU KNOW,
GIVE ME -- REVELATION COMES FROM HEAVEN.
IT DOESN'T COME FROM YOUR MIND
IT HITS YOUR SPIRIT AND THEN YOUR
MIND GETS IT LATER.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO BUT THE WORD HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US
AS A GUIDE AS TRUTH.
AND SO WE DO NEED TO TAP INTO IT,
BUT PEOPLE I THINK LOOK AT IT AS, OKAY,
I'M GOING TO DO MY CHECKLIST OR I'M GOING TO
DO THIS AND THEY LOSE THE RELATIONSHIP.
THEY LOSE THE PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO LIVES
INSIDE THEM TO GUIDE THEM INTO ALL TRUTH.
PHILIP: AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
I LOVE LISTENING TO YOU TALK.
I CAN SENSE, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST MET, THAT YOU HAVE A
WELL OF INTIMACY WITH JESUS AND SOMEBODY NEEDS
TO KNOW THAT THAT WELL COMES FROM INTIMACY AND
PRAYER AND IT AFFECTS YOUR ABILITY TO --
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT,
YOUR ABILITY TO HEAR.
THE MORE WE PRAY, THE MORE SENSITIVE WE BE TO HIS VOICE.
THE MORE WE PRAY, THE MORE
WE GET REVELATION IN THE WORD.
THE MORE WE PRAY, WE GET GUIDANCE.
LIKE THE FOUNDATION OF ALL OF IT
HAS TO BE INTIMACY WITH GOD.
AND WHAT I HEAR
POURING OUT OF YOU
IS THIS DEEP INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST
THAT IS BORN OUT OF THE WELL THAT YOU HAVE
DEVELOPED IN PRAYER.
AND IF WE CAN JUST GET MORE PEOPLE TO
JUST START THERE AND TAKE THAT SERIOUS, MAN, OTHER
THINGS WILL JUST FALL INTO PLACE.
SO I JUST, I JUST HONOR YOU FOR THAT.
LIKE IT'S, IT'S FOR ME,
IT'S REFRESHING JUST LISTENING TO YOU TALK.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING
I LOVE THE MOST --
REBECCA: ME, TOO.
PHILIP: IS JUST PRAYER TIME, LIKE I FEEL LIKE
YOU'RE LIKE MY SISTER NOW, FOR REAL, RIGHT?
REBECCA: WE HAVE THE SAME FATHER.
PHILIP: LIKE THIS FEELS SO CATHARSIS,
LIKE WE'RE HAVING
A WHOLE CATHARSIS RIGHT NOW ABOUT PRAYER.
BUT I JUST, I JUST LOVE FEELING THAT ON YOU,
THAT YOU TAKE THAT SERIOUS.
AND I THINK THE BODY NEEDS
A REVELATION ABOUT THAT.
REBECCA: THEY DO.
PHILIP: ABOUT PRAYER.
REBECCA: AND YOUR WHOLE THING IS REVIVAL.
PHILIP: YES.
REBECCA: BUT LIKE --
PHILIP: BUT THAT IS BORN OUT OF PRAYER.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
PHILIP: AND GOSPEL PREACHING.
REBECCA: IT'S NOT -- REVIVAL IS NOT JUST A SERVICE
WHERE GOD MOVES.
REVIVAL IS BEING TRANSFORMED YOURSELF AND
THEN BEING TRANSFORMED AS A BODY.
PHILIP: AND THAT CAN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT PRAYER, REPENTANCE,
AND GOSPEL PREACHING.
WE COULD TAKE THE WORD
REVIVAL AND SMACK IT ON A SERVICE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
PHILIP: WITHOUT PRAYER, REPENTANCE AND GOSPEL PREACHING,
THERE IS NO REVIVAL.
REBECCA: REPENTANCE GETS SUCH A BAD REP.
PHILIP: REPENTANCE IS BEAUTIFUL.
REBECCA: IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
IT'S JUST TURNING BACK.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: IT'S LIKE YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION,
TURN BACK TO HIM.
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: I REPENT ALL THE TIME.
PHILIP: SO DO I, DAILY.
REBECCA: THERE'S NO SHAME BECAUSE GOD --
SHAME IS OF THE ENEMY.
PHILIP: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
REBECCA: HE USES THAT TO PARALYZE US,
TO DISTANCE US FROM GOD,
TO DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM CHURCH, YOU KNOW,
BUT GOD IS NOT -- HE CONVICTS,
BUT HE DOES NOT SHAME.
PHILIP: HE HAS OPEN ARMS AND HE ALWAYS WANTS US TO KEEP
TURNING BACK TO HIM.
IT'S JUST THE DEVIL TRYING TO KEEP US OUT THERE IN
A CORNER AND SHAMED, MAN, YEAH.
REBECCA: I WANT YOU REALLY QUICK TO TELL ABOUT YOUR ISRAEL
2018 STORY.
PHILIP: YEAH, REALLY QUICKLY.
SO, YEAH, DECEMBER 2018,
MY WIFE AND I GO TO ISRAEL.
BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IN MY MINISTRY,
I'M JUST SEEKING SOME SENSE OF --
REBECCA: YOU WERE A PASTOR.
PHILIP: YEAH, I WAS PASTORING ALREADY.
REBECCA: YOU WERE SEEKING?
PHILIP: I WAS SEEKING SOME SENSE OF CLARITY ABOUT GOD.
WHAT, WHAT AM I REALLY DOING?
LIKE I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING MINISTRY,
BUT SOMETHING IS MISSING AND I GO TO ISRAEL.
I'M PRAYING.
I'M FASTING.
I'M SEEKING THE LORD.
LORD, I NEED YOU TO SPEAK TO ME.
I DON'T GET ANYTHING UNTIL THE LAST DAY.
THE VERY LAST DAY,
THE VERY LAST PLACE,
WE GO TO THE GARDEN TOMB.
COME OUT THE GARDEN TOMB.
THERE'S NO BONES THERE, BY THE WAY, RIGHT?
SO JESUS IS ALIVE AND I HEAR SINGING
IN A LANGUAGE
I DID NOT KNOW, BUT I CAN FEEL THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I SLIP INTO THE GATHERING,
WITH MY WIFE.
I'M THE ONLY BLACK DUDE IN THE GATHERING.
AND THERE IS A DUDE
ON MY BUS WHO SLIPS IN THE GATHERING WITH ME, RIGHT?
SO THEY'RE SINGING IN THIS FOREIGN LANGUAGE.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE,
BUT I CAN FEEL THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
AND THEN THE BROTHER
WHO'S LEADING THE MEETING, HE MOTIONS TO ME
COME DOWN TO THE FRONT.
I WALKED DOWN TO THE FRONT,
MY WIFE AND HIS FRIEND AND HE STARTS TALKING TO ME
IN A LANGUAGE
I DID NOT KNOW.
IT WAS PORTUGUESE.
IT JUST SO HAPPENED BY GOD'S DIVINE PROVIDENCE,
THE BROTHER WHO WAS WITH ME ON A BUS WAS FROM BRAZIL.
SO HE STARTS INTERPRETING IN THE MOMENT.
AND THE MAN SAYS TO ME IN PORTUGUESE
THROUGH THE INTERPRETATION,
HE SAYS TO THE INTERPRETER, I'VE BEEN TO YOUR NATION.
I'VE SEEN HOW THE CHURCH IS DEAD AND IS DYING.
AND DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY AND SET
FIRE TO THE BODY OF CHRIST?
AND I SAID TO HIM, I SAID, YES, SIR.
AND I START TO WEEP.
I FALL DOWN ON MY HANDS AND KNEES
AND THEN THAT COMPANY OF BROTHERS
AND SISTERS FROM BRAZIL,
THEY LAY HANDS ON ME.
THEY PRAY FOR ME AND I FEEL LIKE IN THAT MOMENT,
GOD CHARGED ME TO COME BACK TO THIS COUNTRY
AND JUST PREACH AND CRY OUT
NO MATTER WHAT IT COST ME.
I FEEL LIKE THE PASTOR
I WAS DIED THERE.
THE HUSBAND I WAS DIED THERE.
THE FATHER I WAS DIE --
EVERYTHING DIED THERE.
THAT'S WHEN I STARTED WEARING BLACK AND I FEEL
LIKE I CAME BACK TO THIS COUNTRY CONFLICTED THAT I
HAVE TO SOUND AN ALARM AND CRY ALOUD
NO MATTER WHAT IT COST ME.
AND I'M CONTENT TO DO THAT.
I'LL SAY THIS,
UNTIL I GET MY ULTIMATE REWARD,
THAT FOR ME, ME,
PHILIP ANTHONY MITCHELL, SUCCESS IS NEVER GOING TO
BE INSTAGRAM FOLLOWING.
IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE A PLATFORM.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PODCAST.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ME PREACHING FOR SOME CONFERENCE.
FOR ME, CHRISTIAN SUCCESS WILL BE
MY OBEDIENCE TO GET ME TO THE POINT WHERE I CAN SAY
WHAT THE APOSTLE PAUL --
I FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.
I'VE KEPT THE FAITH.
I'VE FINISHED MY RACE.
AND NOW THERE'S LAID FOR ME A CROWN THAT THE LORD
WOULD GIVE ME ON THAT DAY, THAT CROWN,
I WANT THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING.
AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD, REBECCA, TO THE DAY
I TAKE THAT CROWN AND I LAY IT AT THE FEET
OF THE ONE
WHO RESCUED ME IN THAT BATHROOM.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S THE MISSION I'M ON.
AND I'M TRYING TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE TO
FOLLOW JESUS AT THAT LEVEL AS POSSIBLE, TO COME ABOARD
THE ARK OF SAFETY AS POSSIBLE
BECAUSE TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
REBECCA: YEAH, YOU FEEL THAT URGENCY.
PHILIP: TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
YOU HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING?
TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
AND WHAT'S TRAGIC IS THAT WE HAVE CHRISTIANS
WHO DON'T FEEL THAT,
THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT.
WE'RE PLAYING CHURCH,
PLAYING PODCASTS, PLAYING CONFERENCES WHILE THE HAND
OF THE LORD IS ON THE DOORKNOB,
JUST WAITING FOR THE FATHER
TO SAY GO NOW.
I MEAN, THE HEADLINES OF THE
NEWS ARE READING RIGHT OUT OF THE SCRIPTURES.
TIME IS RUNNING OUT AND SOMEBODY WILL LOOK AT ME
AND SAY YOU KNOW YOU'RE OVER THE TOP.
REALLY?
PAUL AND THE APOSTLE WAS TALKING LIKE
THIS IN THE FIRST CENTURY WHEN THEY ONLY --
A DECADE, TWO DECADES,
THREE DECADES REMOVED FROM JESUS.
THEY'RE PREACHING WITH URGENCY.
WE'RE TWO MILLENNIA REMOVED.
SHOULD NOT WE BE PREACHING
WITH MORE URGENCY RIGHT NOW?
WE HAVE LESS TIME NOW.
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE WE'RE LIVING IN THE LAST SECONDS,
THE LAST HOURS OF THE CHURCH AGE.
TIME IS RUNNING OUT AND NOW IS THE TIME TO GET
RIGHT WITH CHRIST, TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD, TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT HIS WORD,
TO HAVE INTIMACY WITH CHRIST,
TO FOLLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT,
TO CARE ABOUT THE SPREAD OF THE GOSPEL,
SUPPORT MISSIONS, CHURCH PLANTING.
GIVE YOUR WHOLE LIFE
TO THE WORK OF JESUS WHEREVER HE HAS PLANTED YOU,
TO KNOW THAT OUR SAVIOR IS COMING SOON.
AND WE BETTER BE FOUND FAITHFUL WHEN HE CRACKS THAT SKY.
REBECCA: I JUST REALLY FEEL LED RIGHT NOW,
BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.
PHILIP, COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE FEELING THAT URGENCY?
PHILIP: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND PRAY FOR THEM?
PHILIP: YEAH.
UH, MAN, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THIS PODCAST,
YOU HEARD EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO HEAR.
I'M SO SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.
WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THIS TIME LEFT.
THE LORD IS COMING.
HE'S COMING VERY SOON,
AND THIS IS NOT A GAME.
AND WE NEED TO BE FOUND FAITHFUL
WHEN HE COMES.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRYING TO GET TO A BAG OR TRYING
TO GET TO A PLATFORM.
IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO GET TO OBEDIENCE AND
FAITHFULNESS WHEREVER HE'S PLANTED YOU.
CAN I PRAY?
REBECCA: YES, PLEASE.
PHILIP: SO, FATHER, IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY ONE,
I PRAY FOR ALL OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS
WHO ARE WATCHING THIS PODCAST AND LISTENING RIGHT NOW.
I PRAY, GOD, YOU WILL SEND FIRE THROUGH THIS CAMERA.
FIRE THROUGH THIS MICROPHONE.
THAT YOU WOULD AWAKEN THE SONS AND THE DAUGHTERS.
I PRAY, GOD, LORD, THAT WE WOULD BE LIKE
THE SONS OF ISSACHAR.
WHO RIGHTLY DISCERNED THE TIMES AND THEY KNEW WHAT
TO DO ABOUT IT.
I PRAY THERE WOULD BE REVIVAL
IN AMERICA, BORN OF REPENTANCE
AND GOSPEL PREACHING AND THE OUTPOURING OF
THE HOLY SPIRIT.
SET THE CHURCH ON FIRE.
AND FATHER, WE PRAY FOR THE UNBELIEVER
WHO CREPT INTO THE ROOM DIGITALLY.
THEY'RE WATCHING AND THEY'RE NOT SAVED.
THEY'RE LISTENING AND NOT SAVED.
WOULD YOU RESCUE THEM RIGHT NOW FROM
THE DOMAIN OF DARKNESS?
WOULD YOU RANSOM THEM FROM THAT DARK PLACE?
WOULD YOU WOO THEM INTO THE KINGDOM RIGHT NOW?
HELP THEM TO KNOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE SEARCHING
FOR IS CHRIST.
SO WE PRAY SALVATION FOR THE NON-BELIEVER WHO CREPT
INTO THIS CONVERSATION.
THAT YOU WOULD BRING THEM
ABOARD THIS ARK OF SAFETY THAT THEY WILL KNOW THE
LOVE OF CHRIST AND THE FORGIVENESS OF CHRIST
AND THE PARDON OF CHRIST BEFORE TIME
HAS RUN OUT ON THEM.
I PRAY THAT YOUR CHURCH WOULD COME ALIVE IN
AMERICA AND AROUND THE WORLD.
AND WE WILL LOVE WHAT YOU LOVE AND HATE WHAT YOU
HATE AND WE WILL SEE REVIVAL IN OUR NATION.
I'M ASKING THIS, LORD, AND FOR THOSE THINGS
I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO PRAY IN THE MIGHTY
AND THE MAJESTIC
AND THE MATCHLESS NAME OF OUR LORD
AND SAVIOR AND SOON-COMING-KING JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN AND AMEN AND AMEN.
REBECCA: AMEN.