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REBECCA LAMB WEISS: IN
TODAY'S EPISODE, I SIT DOWN
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WITH JACK HIBBS, SENIOR
PASTOR OF CALVARY CHAPEL CHINO.
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HE GOES INTO
HIS TESTIMONY
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SURVIVING A
FAILED ABORTION ATTEMPT,
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GROWING UP
REJECTED BY HIS FATHER,
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AND HOW GOD SAVED HIS LIFE
AND TURNED IT ALL FOR THE GOOD.
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HIS LIFE IS A TESTIMONY OF
HOW GOD'S PLAN WILL ALWAYS WIN,
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DESPITE
WHAT MAN SAYS.
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REBECCA: HEY, GUYS,
WELCOME BACK TO
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THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST .
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I AM VERY HONORED TODAY BECAUSE
I HAVE PASTOR, THEOLOGIAN,
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AUTHOR.
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I'M TALKING ABOUT
PASTOR JACK HIBBS HERE,
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AND YOU ARE
A PODCASTER YOURSELF.
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SO YOU'RE USED TO THIS?
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PASTOR JACK HIBBS: YEAH.
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IN FACT, I LOVE PODCASTING
PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING
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OTHER THAN THE PULPIT,
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BECAUSE IT'S A PLACE
TO BE EXTREMELY REAL.
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AND I LOVE IT.
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REBECCA: AND YOU ARE A PASTOR OF
A REALLY GREAT CHURCH
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IN CALIFORNIA.
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TELL US ABOUT THAT.
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JACK: YEAH.
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CALVARY CHAPEL CHINO HILLS,
MY GOODNESS.
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WE STARTED AS A MONDAY NIGHT
HOME BIBLE STUDY
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FROM CALVARY CHAPEL
COSTA MESA IN 1990.
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SIX OF US, AND GOD JUST
ADDED TO IT EVERY WEEK.
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REBECCA: THOSE ARE
THE BEST STORIES.
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JACK: THEY'RE THE BEST AND
IT'S THE BEST TIMES.
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YOU LOOK BACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
THE SCRIPTURE SAYS,
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DO NOT DESPISE THE
DAY OF SMALL THINGS.
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THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT
THE NATURE OF OUR CHURCH
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IS THE BULK OF THOSE
PEOPLE WHO STARTED WITH US
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ARE STILL WITH US.
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REBECCA: WOW, THAT'S A
REAL TESTAMENT.
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JACK: YEAH.
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BOARD MEMBERS AND
WOMEN'S MINISTRY LEADERS
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AND THOSE
THAT HAVE BECOME PASTORS.
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AND SO IT'S JUST BEEN
A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
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SO WE HAVE A VERY
TIGHTLY KNIT FAMILY
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EVEN THOUGH
IT'S A VERY LARGE CHURCH.
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GOD'S BLESSED IT.
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SO WE HAVE
A GREAT FOUNDATION
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HANGING ON TO
THOSE SMALL THINGS.
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WE STILL CAN'T
BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW,
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THAT THESE PEOPLE SHOW UP ON
SUNDAYS OR WEDNESDAYS.
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WE JUST PINCH OURSELVES.
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REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
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OKAY.
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WELL, WHY --
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ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS
I WANT TO HAVE YOU ON IS
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I WANT YOU TO TELL YOUR
TESTIMONY BECAUSE IT'S SO GOOD.
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AND I REMEMBER
HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME
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AND IT STUCK WITH ME.
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IT STAYED WITH
ME FOR A WHILE.
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JUST HOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY --
ALL THE HARDSHIP
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THAT YOU WENT THROUGH AND YET
HOW GOD TURNED IT ALL FOR GOOD
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AND I MEAN, JUST REALLY TOOK
SOMEONE FROM A HARD SITUATION
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AND HAS DONE
SO MANY AMAZING THINGS THROUGH.
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AND I THINK IT WILL
ENCOURAGE A LOT OF PEOPLE
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BECAUSE I THINK IF PEOPLE
JUST SEE YOU NOW, THEY'RE LIKE,
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WOW, THIS IS A GREAT GUY, WELL
SPOKEN, ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
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AND THEY HAD NO IDEA
WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS.
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SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE
BEGINNING WITH YOUR PARENTS,
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KIND OF
THEIR BACKGROUND.
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JACK: YEAH.
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WELL, MY MOM, SHE WAS
BORN AND RAISED IN HAWAII.
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MY GRANDPARENTS MOVED FROM
SAO PAULO, BRAZIL, TO HAWAII.
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AND AT PARALLEL TIME, MY DAD WAS
GROWING UP IN SOUTH DAKOTA.
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AND THEN
THE WAR BROKE OUT.
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AND SO MY DAD MADE HIS WAY TO
SAN DIEGO IN UNITED STATES
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MARINE CORPS,
EVENTUALLY WOUND UP IN HAWAII,
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WHERE HE SAW MY MOM ACTUALLY
WALKING HOME FROM SCHOOL.
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AND THEY MET AND
EVENTUALLY GOT MARRIED.
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RIGHT.
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AND SO THEY MOVED
TO THE STATES.
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AND MY DAD, AS I SAID,
WAS IN THE MARINES.
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SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
TO BE BORN IN SAN DIEGO,
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LOVED, LOVED SAN DIEGO,
BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS,
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AND I FOUND THIS
OUT FROM MY MOM,
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MY MOM WAS TELLING A
NEIGHBOR THAT HAD WAS VISITING,
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I THINK MY MOM, IN FACT, I KNOW
MY MOM HAD NO IDEA
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THAT I WAS IN THE ROOM NEXT DOOR
AND I COULD HEAR ALL THIS,
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BUT WHEN
YOU'RE A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL
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AND YOU HEAR THIS,
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
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BUT MY MOM WAS TELLING HER
NEIGHBOR FRIEND, OH, YES.
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YOU KNOW, WHEN MY HUSBAND
WENT AWAY TO ALASKA --
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MY DAD WAS REDEPLOYED
TO ALASKA --
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HE KNEW THAT I WAS
PREGNANT WITH OUR THIRD CHILD.
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AND HE SAID, WHEN I
GET BACK FROM ALASKA,
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I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE
A THIRD BABY IN THIS FAMILY.
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SO MY MOM SPOKE
PIDGIN ENGLISH.
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VERY FEW PEOPLE
KNOW WHAT THAT IS,
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BUT IT'S A LANGUAGE
OF THE ISLANDS.
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IT'S KIND OF BROKEN UP,
INTERESTING.
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REBECCA: IT'S LIKE A NATIVE
LANGUAGE TO HAWAII.
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YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND
LIKE NORMAL ENGLISH.
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JACK: IT'S NOT.
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REBECCA: NO.
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JACK: AND SO, SO WHAT
HAPPENED WAS, SHE WAS SCARED.
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SHE DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY.
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AND SHE'S PREGNANT.
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AND THEN SHE HAS THE FEAR,
REALLY, THAT MY DAD PUT IN HER
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THAT THERE'S NO THIRD CHILD
WHEN HE COMES BACK A YEAR LATER.
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WELL, LO AND BEHOLD,
ON CHRISTMAS EVE 1957,
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SHE PUT MY BROTHER
AND MY SISTER TO BED,
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AND SHE
ATTEMPTED AN ABORTION.
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AND THAT FAILED.
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THANK GOD IT FAILED.
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I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
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REBECCA: WAIT, JUST
REALLY QUICK.
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WAS ABORTION
LEGAL BACK THEN?
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JACK: NO.
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ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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REBECCA: SO WHAT WAS HE
ASKING YOUR MOM TO DO?
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HER?
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DO IT HERSELF?
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JACK: FIND IT.
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FIGURE OUT A WAY.
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REBECCA: THAT'S CRAZY.
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I MEAN, ABORTION IN AND
OF ITSELF OBVIOUSLY IS WRONG,
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BUT I MEAN, FOR HIM TO ASK YOUR
MOM TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
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TO RISK
SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT?
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THAT'S CRAZY.
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SO SHE TRIES TO
DO IT HERSELF.
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JACK: SO SHE TRIES
TO DO IT HERSELF.
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SHE DOES A LOT OF
DAMAGE TO HERSELF.
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AND THANK GOD, THANK GOD
A NEIGHBOR CAME
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AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEIR
REASON FOR COMING OVER WAS,
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BUT REGARDLESS, THEY
DISCOVERED MY MOM IN TROUBLE
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AND SO I WAS,
THANK GOD, STILL IN MY MOM.
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BUT THEY WENT TO,
SHARP'S HOSPITAL
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ON CORONADO ISLAND THERE.
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AND SO THEY WERE IN THE
HOSPITAL UNTIL I WAS BORN
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ON JANUARY 15TH, 1958.
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REBECCA: SO SHE HAD
TO STAY THERE?
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JACK: YEAH.
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REBECCA: UNTIL SHE GAVE
BIRTH TO YOU.
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JACK: YEAH.
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REBECCA: WHATEVER SHE DID
WAS PRETTY SERIOUS.
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BUT YOU WERE OKAY.
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SHE DIDN'T HURT YOU?
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JACK: NO, I WAS FINE.
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REBECCA: OH.
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THANK GOD.
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JACK: YEAH, IT WAS FINE.
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BUT ANYWAY, MY DAD, I
THINK I WAS ABOUT MAYBE
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2 OR 3 MONTHS OLD
WHEN HE CAME BACK.
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AND SO, OF COURSE, GROWING UP,
LITTLE GROWING UP,
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YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T
KNOW THIS STUFF.
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BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY,
I STUTTERED REALLY BAD
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ALL MY LIFE.
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JUST PROFOUND STUTTERING AND
THAT FOR ME WAS REALLY ROUGH.
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SO BACK IN THOSE DAYS
BULLYING WAS LIKE REALLY COOL.
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BUT I'D BE LIKE BULLIED
BY TEACHERS, EVEN.
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AND ONE OF THE BOOKS
THAT LISA AND I HAVE WRITTEN,
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IT'S CALLED
TURNAROUND AT HOME .
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IT GOES THROUGH
THAT IN DETAIL.
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IN FACT, THE PUBLISHER AT
THE TIME, DAVID C. COOK,
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HAD SAID, ARE YOU SURE YOU
WANT TO PUT THIS IN THE BOOK?
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BECAUSE IT'S
KIND OF PERSONAL.
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AND WE SAID, YEAH, WE WANT
TO PUT IT IN THE BOOK.
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AND SO IT JUST TALKS ABOUT
BEING BULLYING, PEOPLE TODAY
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THAT ARE
BEING BULLIED.
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LISTEN, IT'S A
TERRIBLE THING.
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BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU,
WHEN YOU SURVIVE IT
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AND FIND OUT THAT GOD LOVES
YOU AND THAT JESUS IS REAL
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AND HIS WORD IS TRUE, I
HAVE TO TELL YOU, REBECCA,
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I WOULD NOT
CHANGE A THING NOW
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TODAY, BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT I
WAS EITHER CAST OUT OR BULLIED
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BECAUSE I
STUTTERED SO BAD,
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PEOPLE WOULD SAY,
SPIT IT OUT, YOU KNOW,
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WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
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A TEACHER HAD ME STAND ON THE
DESK AND READ A BOOK OUT LOUD
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TO THE CLASS,
AND THEY'RE LAUGHING.
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I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT.
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REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.
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JACK: YEAH, AND SO, SO WHEN THAT
WHEN CHRIST GETS AHOLD OF YOU.
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RIGHT?
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RIGHT, AND AGAIN, I GREW UP
IN A NON-CHRISTIAN HOME,
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SO WHEN I HEARD THE GOSPEL,
THAT'S WHEN THINGS
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BEGAN TO MAKE SENSE.
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AND SO WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS
ME NOW TODAY, TO BE QUIET
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OR WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM
YOU OR YOU SHOULDN'T SAY THAT,
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YOU SHOULD KEEP
YOUR RELIGION TO YOURSELF,
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OR I JUST PRAYED IN
CONGRESS THE OTHER DAY
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AND GOT IN ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE
BECAUSE I MENTIONED JESUS' NAME.
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I WASN'T SUPPOSED
TO SAY THAT.
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I MENTIONED GOD AS FATHER.
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I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT.
I SAID THAT HE'S OUR LORD
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AND SAVIOR, AND THAT HE PRESIDES
OVER THE WELFARE OF THIS NATION.
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I WASN'T SUPPOSED
TO SAY THAT.
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HERE'S THE THING.
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ALL I KNOW FOR SURE
IS THE TRUTH OF GOD.
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AND HIS TRUTH HAS SO SET
ME FREE THAT WHEN YOU HEAR,
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OH, YOU KNOW WHAT?
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YOU SURVIVED AN ABORTION
OR YOU WERE MADE FUN OF
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AND YOU KNOW, NOT RECEIVED
BECAUSE STUTTERING,
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YOU WERE A MISFIT.
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ALL OF THOSE HURTS AND PAINS,
GOD TAKES THOSE THINGS
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AND I BELIEVE HE USES THEM
TO GALVANIZE YOU
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AGAINST WHAT THIS WORLD
CAN THROW AT YOU.
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AND SO EVERYBODY WAS
CONCERNED FOR ME
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WHEN GAVIN NEWSOM IN CALIFORNIA
WAS UPSET WITH US
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DURING THE COVID BECAUSE
WE HAD OUR CHURCH OPEN,
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THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE COMING,
HIS, HIS THREATS ABOUT
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YOU NEED TO SHUT DOWN,
I DIDN'T CARE.
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I DID NOT CARE BECAUSE
GOD'S CHURCH IS NOT ESSENTIAL
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OR NON-ESSENTIAL.
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IT'S TRANSCENDENT.
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GOD'S WORD, GOD'S CHURCH,
GOD'S WORD IS ETERNAL.
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IT DOESN'T FALL INTO A
CATEGORY OF A BUSINESS.
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AND SO FOR ME, I WAS
SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DEAD.
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AND YET HE,
HE KEPT MY LIFE.
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AND SO NOW IF THIS MAKES
ANY SENSE IN MY HEART,
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EVERY DAY THAT I LIVE, IT'S
A DAY THAT IS A RADICAL GIFT
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BECAUSE I
WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE HERE
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ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF
MAN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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AND SO AT
CALVARY CHAPEL COSTA MESA,
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THERE WAS A WORD GIVEN IN AN
AFTERGLOW SETTING.
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THERE'S A YOUNG MAN RIGHT HERE
THAT'S PRAYING THAT.
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AND IT'S SO TRUE
RIGHT IN THE MOMENT.
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I WAS JUST PRAYING.
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IT'S GREAT WHEN YOU PRAY IN YOUR
HEAD BECAUSE YOU DON'T STUTTER.
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SO I WAS PRAYING, LORD,
IF YOU TOUCH MY TONGUE, I WON'T,
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I WON'T SHUT UP FOR YOU
IF YOU JUST TOUCH MY TONGUE.
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BECAUSE I WAS
STUDYING THE BIBLE.
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I LOVE THE BIBLE, BUT I
COULDN'T TELL ANYBODY THE BIBLE.
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I JUST STAMMERED SO BAD.
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AND SO THE WORD WAS,
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THERE'S A YOUNG MAN PRAYING THAT
GOD WOULD HEAL HIS TONGUE.
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WELL, THE LORD IS SAYING
TO YOU, STUDY HIS WORD
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TO SHOW YOURSELF
APPROVED UNTO GOD.
00:09:17.632 --> 00:09:18.999
AND I KNEW THAT
WAS FOR ME.
00:09:19.099 --> 00:09:20.366
AND I TURNED TO
MY WIFE, LISA.
00:09:20.466 --> 00:09:21.732
NOW, WE'RE MARRIED
AT THIS TIME.
00:09:21.832 --> 00:09:28.666
AND I TURNED TO HER, AND I SAID
TO HER, THAT WAS F-F-FOR M-M-ME.
00:09:28.766 --> 00:09:31.466
AND SHE JUST LIKE,
OKAY, YEAH, WHATEVER.
00:09:31.566 --> 00:09:33.632
AND LO AND BEHOLD,
THERE WAS ONE NIGHT
00:09:33.732 --> 00:09:35.966
WHERE OUR FRIENDS WERE
WITNESSING ON LIDO ISLAND THERE
00:09:36.066 --> 00:09:39.766
IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, AND
I WAS JUST PRAYING FOR THEM.
00:09:39.866 --> 00:09:41.932
AND THE LORD JUST
TUGGED ON MY HEART.
00:09:42.032 --> 00:09:44.032
THERE WAS A WOMAN SITTING ON
ONE OF THE OVERPASSES
00:09:44.132 --> 00:09:45.400
OF THE WATERWAYS.
00:09:45.500 --> 00:09:46.466
IT'S KIND OF LIKE VENICE.
00:09:46.566 --> 00:09:49.633
THERE'S A LITTLE BRIDGES
AND WATER UNDERNEATH.
00:09:49.733 --> 00:09:52.032
AND I JUST FELT HIM.
00:09:52.132 --> 00:09:54.100
I DIDN'T HEAR A VOICE,
BUT I FELT THE VOICE,
00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:54.833
IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
00:09:54.933 --> 00:09:55.466
REBECCA: YEAH.
00:09:55.566 --> 00:09:56.100
YOU HAD AN IMPRESSION.
00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:56.699
JACK: TOTALLY.
00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:57.333
AND IT'S,
00:09:57.433 --> 00:09:58.732
GO TELL HER ABOUT ME.
00:09:58.832 --> 00:10:00.832
AND I'M BLOWN AWAY BECAUSE
I LOOK BACK,
00:10:00.932 --> 00:10:05.000
I DON'T EVER RECALL SAYING,
BUT GOD, YOU KNOW, BUT GOD,
00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:07.066
I'M SLOW OF SPEECH.
00:10:07.166 --> 00:10:08.099
I JUST KNEW I
HAD TO DO THAT.
00:10:08.199 --> 00:10:11.166
AND I WENT UP TO HER
AND I SAID, EXCUSE ME,
00:10:11.266 --> 00:10:15.366
BUT WOULD YOU MIND IF I TOLD YOU
ABOUT JESUS CHRIST?
00:10:15.466 --> 00:10:17.699
AND SHE SAID,
NO, NOT AT ALL.
00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:21.666
SO I SHARED THE GOSPEL
WITH HER, AND WE PRAYED.
00:10:21.766 --> 00:10:25.100
AND THEN I WENT LOOKING
FOR OUR GROUP, AND I RAN UP,
00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.366
AND LISA WAS WITH THAT
GROUP, AND I SAID,
00:10:27.466 --> 00:10:29.399
I JUST TOLD SOMEBODY
ABOUT JESUS.
00:10:29.499 --> 00:10:32.632
I DIDN'T STUTTER, AND MY WIFE
SAID, YOU'RE NOT STUTTERING NOW,
00:10:32.732 --> 00:10:34.099
EITHER.
00:10:34.199 --> 00:10:37.000
AND FROM THAT TIME ON,
IT'S BEEN HARD FOR ME,
00:10:37.100 --> 00:10:39.432
AS YOU CAN TELL,
TO SHUT ME UP.
00:10:39.532 --> 00:10:41.066
REBECCA: AND YOU SPEAK SO WELL.
00:10:41.166 --> 00:10:41.866
JACK: MIRACLE.
00:10:41.966 --> 00:10:42.832
REBECCA: THAT'S A TOTAL MIRACLE.
00:10:42.932 --> 00:10:44.266
YOU WOULD NEVER
THINK YOU HAD IT.
00:10:44.366 --> 00:10:45.866
AND YOUR STUTTER
WAS REALLY BAD.
00:10:45.966 --> 00:10:46.566
JACK: HORRIFIC.
00:10:46.666 --> 00:10:47.566
REBECCA: REALLY?
00:10:47.666 --> 00:10:49.066
JACK: IN OUR WEDDING VOWS,
IT WAS AGREED
00:10:49.166 --> 00:10:51.700
THAT I WOULD JUST NOD.
00:10:51.800 --> 00:10:52.332
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
00:10:52.432 --> 00:10:54.133
JACK: YEAH, YEAH.
00:10:54.233 --> 00:10:55.233
REBECCA: I THINK
THAT'S SUCH AN INTERESTING
00:10:55.333 --> 00:10:57.666
HEALING TESTIMONY TOO,
THAT YOU RECEIVE THE WORD
00:10:57.766 --> 00:10:59.800
AND THEN YOU HAD TO
BELIEVE IN FAITH.
00:10:59.900 --> 00:11:04.599
AND WHEN YOU WERE JUST ACTING IN
OBEDIENCE, IT JUST HAPPENED.
00:11:04.699 --> 00:11:05.100
JACK: YEAH.
00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:06.233
GOD IS SO GOOD.
00:11:06.333 --> 00:11:08.532
REBECCA: DID YOU EVER
FEEL LIKE MAYBE THAT WOMAN
00:11:08.632 --> 00:11:10.733
COULD HAVE BEEN
LIKE AN ANGEL?
00:11:10.833 --> 00:11:11.866
LIKE IT WAS ALMOST
LIKE A TEST.
00:11:11.966 --> 00:11:12.999
ALMOST FROM THE LORD.
00:11:13.099 --> 00:11:14.999
JACK: I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT
MANY TIMES BEFORE
00:11:15.099 --> 00:11:19.366
BECAUSE IT WAS INTERESTING
WHEN WE PRAYED,
00:11:19.466 --> 00:11:21.199
SHE DIDN'T PRAY TO
ACCEPT THE LORD.
00:11:21.299 --> 00:11:24.600
BUT I REMEMBER
HER, IN AGREEMENT.
00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:25.599
IT WAS A VERY,
VERY STRANGE.
00:11:25.699 --> 00:11:26.633
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
00:11:26.733 --> 00:11:28.066
I WOULD NOT, REBECCA,
BE SURPRISED AT ALL.
00:11:28.166 --> 00:11:30.499
THAT WAS A TOTAL
DIVINE SETUP.
00:11:30.599 --> 00:11:32.300
REBECCA: BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU
MIGHT BE ENTERTAINING THEM,
00:11:32.400 --> 00:11:34.066
UNAWARE IT'S,
YOU NEVER KNOW.
00:11:34.166 --> 00:11:34.966
JACK: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:11:35.066 --> 00:11:37.099
REBECCA: WHAT I LOVE
ABOUT YOUR STORY
00:11:37.199 --> 00:11:40.600
IS, LIKE YOU SAID,
YOU WERE BULLIED
00:11:40.700 --> 00:11:42.399
AND YOU HAD TO
DEAL WITH REJECTION
00:11:42.499 --> 00:11:44.600
AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS,
AND YET YOU SAW IT
00:11:44.700 --> 00:11:47.032
THAT GOD BUILT
A RESILIENCE IN YOU.
00:11:47.132 --> 00:11:49.832
AND WHEN YOU REALIZED
PRETTY MUCH YOUR WHOLE LIFE
00:11:49.932 --> 00:11:51.566
THERE WAS A BATTLE
OVER YOUR MOUTH.
00:11:51.666 --> 00:11:52.900
OVER YOUR TONGUE.
00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.066
AND TO SPEAK.
00:11:54.166 --> 00:11:55.699
AND WHEN YOU GOT THAT
ABILITY TO SPEAK, YOU'RE LIKE,
00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:57.566
I'M NOT LETTING
ANYTHING STOP ME.
00:11:57.666 --> 00:12:00.833
AND SO IT KIND OF GAVE
YOU, LIKE, A STEEL SPINE.
00:12:00.933 --> 00:12:03.366
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, GOING
FORWARD, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED,
00:12:03.466 --> 00:12:06.733
YOU HAVE BEEN IN THESE
VERY INTIMIDATING SITUATIONS.
00:12:06.833 --> 00:12:10.133
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A PASTOR
IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA,
00:12:10.233 --> 00:12:11.699
WHICH WE KNOW THE
GOVERNMENT OUT THERE.
00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.633
WE KNOW GAVIN, I DON'T KNOW,
ARE YOU UNDER THE LA MAYOR
00:12:14.733 --> 00:12:16.166
OR ARE YOU
OUTSIDE OF THEM?
00:12:16.266 --> 00:12:18.833
JACK: WE'RE WE ARE LITERALLY
ABOUT THREE MILES AWAY
00:12:18.933 --> 00:12:19.933
FROM THAT INFLUENCE.
00:12:20.033 --> 00:12:20.499
REBECCA: OKAY.
00:12:20.599 --> 00:12:21.333
JACK: YEAH.
00:12:21.433 --> 00:12:22.200
WE'RE IN A
DIFFERENT COUNTY.
00:12:22.300 --> 00:12:23.333
REBECCA: OKAY, GOOD.
00:12:23.433 --> 00:12:24.466
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT
THEY'RE REALLY INTENSE, TOO.
00:12:24.566 --> 00:12:26.699
BUT YOU'RE YOU ARE UNDER
GAVIN NEWSOM, WHO IS JUST,
00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.266
I MEAN, I'VE
HEARD IS A TYRANT.
00:12:28.366 --> 00:12:29.500
JACK: HE REALLY IS.
00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:30.433
REBECCA: YEAH.
00:12:30.533 --> 00:12:31.699
AND SO THAT WOULD BE
VERY INTIMIDATING
00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.299
BECAUSE THEY COULD JUST
COMPLETELY TAKE, YOU KNOW.
00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:36.866
JACK: WELL, TO BACK UP
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,
00:12:36.966 --> 00:12:40.133
THAT IS SO TRUE THAT DURING
COVID, I GOT OUR PASTORS
00:12:40.233 --> 00:12:42.899
TOGETHER AND I
SAID, LOOK, THE THREAT
00:12:42.999 --> 00:12:46.299
OF THE
CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL,
00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.233
WHICH IS UNDER THE JURISDICTION
OF THE GOVERNOR
00:12:48.333 --> 00:12:49.866
AND THE
CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD,
00:12:49.966 --> 00:12:51.633
IS UNDER
HIS JURISDICTION,
00:12:51.733 --> 00:12:54.766
EVEN THOUGH OUR MAYOR SAID, KEEP
GOING, DON'T SHUT THE DOORS.
00:12:54.866 --> 00:12:55.866
KEEP GOING.
00:12:55.966 --> 00:12:57.666
OUR COUNTY
BOARD OF SUPERVISORS,
00:12:57.766 --> 00:13:00.966
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF
SUPERVISORS, SAID, KEEP GOING.
00:13:01.066 --> 00:13:02.366
WE NEED YOU GUYS
IN OUR COMMUNITY.
00:13:02.466 --> 00:13:03.899
KEEP GOING.
00:13:03.999 --> 00:13:06.399
SO I GOT LETTERS EVERY
OTHER WEEK OVER THOSE YEARS
00:13:06.466 --> 00:13:12.133
FROM GAVIN NEWSOM'S OFFICE THAT
OUR LOCAL AND COUNTY LEADERS
00:13:12.233 --> 00:13:15.033
SAID, JUST SEND THOSE TO US,
SEND THEM TO US.
00:13:15.133 --> 00:13:15.899
REBECCA: THAT'S REALLY COOL.
00:13:15.999 --> 00:13:16.900
JACK: IS THAT AMAZING?
00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.100
REBECCA: THAT WAS LIKE
DIVINE PROTECTION.
00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:18.733
JACK: IT WAS.
00:13:18.833 --> 00:13:20.133
AND HERE'S A GOOD POINT.
00:13:20.233 --> 00:13:22.066
THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT
WE SHOULD PRAY FOR THOSE
00:13:22.166 --> 00:13:23.666
WHO ARE IN
LEADERSHIP OVER US.
00:13:23.766 --> 00:13:25.699
SO FOR DECADES WE
HAD RELATIONSHIPS
00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:26.899
WITH OUR
GOVERNMENTAL LEADERS.
00:13:26.999 --> 00:13:30.000
WE WOULD ASK THEM, CAN
WE PRAY FOR YOUR FAMILY?
00:13:30.100 --> 00:13:31.866
YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE HELP?
00:13:31.966 --> 00:13:33.032
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
00:13:33.132 --> 00:13:35.233
JACK: SO THAT RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE MUNICIPALITIES
00:13:35.333 --> 00:13:37.900
AND WITH THE CHURCH HAS
BEEN VERY BEAUTIFUL AND STRONG.
00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.399
ON THE OTHER SIDE,
LA COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE,
00:13:41.499 --> 00:13:44.633
THEY DON'T
WARM UP TO ANY CHURCH.
00:13:44.733 --> 00:13:46.600
SO WHEN THAT OPPORTUNITY
CAME, FOR EXAMPLE,
00:13:46.700 --> 00:13:49.399
THEY JUST CAME DOWN HARD ON
JOHN MACARTHUR'S CHURCH.
00:13:49.499 --> 00:13:53.133
SO IT'S KIND OF A TALE OF
TWO CHURCHES, THEY GOT SUED
00:13:53.233 --> 00:13:54.866
AND THEY HAD TO FIGHT,
AND THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH
00:13:54.966 --> 00:13:56.432
ALL THAT
THEY WENT THROUGH.
00:13:56.532 --> 00:13:57.866
AND ON THE OTHER HAND,
WE HAD A RELATIONSHIP
00:13:57.966 --> 00:14:02.233
WITH OUR GOVERNING AUTHORITIES
WHO CAME TO OUR PROTECTION
00:14:02.333 --> 00:14:03.766
AGAINST THE GOVERNOR.
00:14:03.866 --> 00:14:08.099
SO WHAT'S AMAZING IS I
JUST HAD TO SAY THIS.
00:14:08.199 --> 00:14:12.666
IF THE CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD
COME INTO THE CHURCH SERVICE,
00:14:12.766 --> 00:14:17.399
THEN, PASTOR, YOU'RE
NEXT, HAVE A SERMON READY.
00:14:17.499 --> 00:14:20.900
ALL OF YOU GUYS, YOUTH PASTORS,
JUNIOR HIGH, HIGH SCHOOL,
00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:24.200
COLLEGE AND CAREER PASTORS, ALL
OF YOU GUYS HAVE SERMONS READY
00:14:24.300 --> 00:14:26.532
BECAUSE IF THEY ARREST ME,
IF THEY PULL ME OFF,
00:14:26.632 --> 00:14:29.433
STEP RIGHT IN AND GO,
STEP RIGHT IN AND GO.
00:14:29.533 --> 00:14:30.766
REBECCA: YOU HAD A PLAN.
00:14:30.866 --> 00:14:33.500
JACK: WE HAD AN ABSOLUTE PLAN
TO JUST ABSOLUTELY KEEP GOING,
00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.266
EVEN IF
IT CAME TO THAT.
00:14:35.366 --> 00:14:38.799
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S A GREAT
THING FOR ALL OF US TO REMEMBER
00:14:38.899 --> 00:14:44.699
IS THAT A BULLY BREATHES OUT
ALL KINDS OF THREATS,
00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:45.666
LIKE SATAN.
00:14:45.766 --> 00:14:47.766
HE ACCUSES US CONSTANTLY.
00:14:47.866 --> 00:14:50.533
BUT IF YOU STAND UP IN
THE WORD, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT
00:14:50.633 --> 00:14:53.700
STANDING UP ON YOUR
OWN STRENGTH, I HAVE NONE.
00:14:53.800 --> 00:14:57.733
BUT IF I STAND UP IN THE WORD,
RIGHT, IF WHAT I'M DOING
00:14:57.833 --> 00:15:00.899
IS CHAPTER VERSE OF
BIBLE, THEN I CAN RELAX
00:15:00.999 --> 00:15:02.633
AND KNOW THIS: THAT GOD'S
GOING TO PROTECT
00:15:02.733 --> 00:15:03.932
AND GOD'S
GOING TO WATCH OVER.
00:15:04.032 --> 00:15:07.599
SO IF WE DO THAT IN THE PULPIT,
IF WE DO THAT IN THE PEWS,
00:15:07.699 --> 00:15:10.533
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF WE
DO IT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH,
00:15:10.633 --> 00:15:12.166
THAT'S WHERE THE CHURCH
IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE.
00:15:12.266 --> 00:15:14.599
WHEN SHE LEAVES
THE BUILDING ON SUNDAY,
00:15:14.699 --> 00:15:18.600
SHE SHOULD BE ON FIRE WITH
THE TRUTH THAT WAS GIVEN TO HER
00:15:18.700 --> 00:15:23.233
TO JUST WREAK
BEAUTIFUL HAVOC
00:15:23.333 --> 00:15:25.799
IN THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS
THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
00:15:25.899 --> 00:15:30.232
I MEAN, THE KINGDOM OF HELL
SHOULD TREMBLE AT THIS TIME.
00:15:30.332 --> 00:15:31.632
THE CHURCH SHOULD
BE SO POWERFUL.
00:15:31.732 --> 00:15:34.600
BUT WE NEED PASTORS WHO
KNOW THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY
00:15:34.700 --> 00:15:35.900
DEAD MEN PREACHING, RIGHT?
00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:37.166
THAT'S WHO WE REALLY ARE.
00:15:37.266 --> 00:15:40.533
WE'RE DEAD MEN WALKING, DEAD MEN
PREACHING, DEAD MEN LIVING
00:15:40.633 --> 00:15:43.399
BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE
CHRIST LIVING THROUGH US.
00:15:43.499 --> 00:15:46.533
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M SO
GRATEFUL ABOUT MY LIFE
00:15:46.633 --> 00:15:49.332
THAT HE'S BROUGHT
ME THROUGH.
00:15:49.432 --> 00:15:51.366
BUT YEAH, WE HAVE
TO HAVE A PLAN.
00:15:51.466 --> 00:15:53.266
AND WE HAVE TO BE ALL
ABOUT MAKING DISCIPLES.
00:15:53.366 --> 00:15:54.866
WE'RE A
DISCIPLE-MAKING CHURCH.
00:15:54.966 --> 00:15:55.999
REBECCA: THAT'S GOOD.
00:15:56.099 --> 00:15:57.300
JACK: IT'S CRITICAL
RIGHT NOW.
00:15:57.400 --> 00:16:00.700
REBECCA: YEAH, THAT, I DON'T
WANT TO CUT OFF YOUR THOUGHT,
00:16:00.800 --> 00:16:02.466
BUT I'M
JUST LIKE, AMEN.
00:16:02.566 --> 00:16:04.966
BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A CONVICTION
THAT I'VE BEEN HAVING LATELY
00:16:05.066 --> 00:16:06.766
IS, IT'S NOT
ENOUGH TO HAVE SOMEONE
00:16:06.866 --> 00:16:08.299
JUST SAY A PRAYER.
00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:11.532
THE BIBLE VERY
SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT
00:16:11.632 --> 00:16:14.466
IN THE PARABLE OF THE SOWER,
HOW THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS,
00:16:14.566 --> 00:16:17.566
HOW EVEN THE SEED CAN TAKE ROOT
AND SPROUT QUICKLY.
00:16:17.666 --> 00:16:20.266
BUT THEN WHEN THE SON COMES,
IT DRIES OUT, YOU KNOW?
00:16:20.366 --> 00:16:23.299
AND SO WE HAVE TO CREATE,
WE HAVE TO HELP, NOT CREATE,
00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:25.866
STEWARD BELIEVERS
IN DISCIPLESHIP
00:16:25.966 --> 00:16:28.266
SO THAT THEY CAN ENDURE
THE STORMS AND THE TESTS
00:16:28.366 --> 00:16:30.466
AND THE TRIAL, BECAUSE
IT'S ABOUT WHO IS STANDING
00:16:30.566 --> 00:16:34.499
AT THE END, NOT JUST WHO SAYS
YES IN THE BEGINNING.
00:16:34.599 --> 00:16:36.866
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE FILLING YOUR PEWS.
00:16:36.966 --> 00:16:39.100
IF THEY'RE NOT REAL
DISCIPLES, YOU KNOW THAT
00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:40.632
THEY WON'T STAND
TILL THE END.
00:16:40.732 --> 00:16:42.399
JACK: WE SAW THIS
DRAMATICALLY LIVED OUT
00:16:42.499 --> 00:16:46.399
DURING THE COVID YEARS BECAUSE
WE SAW THE CHURCH JUST EXPLODE
00:16:46.499 --> 00:16:49.299
TO THE POINT WHERE, HONESTLY,
WE COUDLN'T HANDLE IT.
00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.166
THERE WAS JUST PEOPLE
EVERYWHERE BY THE THOUSANDS.
00:16:52.266 --> 00:16:53.866
EVERY SERVICE.
00:16:53.966 --> 00:16:58.866
AND WHAT WAS STRANGE, REBECCA,
THIS CAUGHT ME OFF-GUARD
00:16:58.966 --> 00:17:01.199
WAS I WOULD
GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY
00:17:01.299 --> 00:17:04.433
FOR SOMEBODY TO ACCEPT THE LORD
AT THE END OF THE SERVICE,
00:17:04.533 --> 00:17:06.899
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE PEOPLE
COMING TO CHRIST,
00:17:06.999 --> 00:17:09.533
AND THEN THEY'RE
TELLING ME, OH, WE'RE HERE.
00:17:09.633 --> 00:17:13.500
WE'RE HERE FROM -- WE'VE GONE TO
SO AND SO CHURCH FOR 30 YEARS,
00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:16.400
BUT WE'RE HERE
BECAUSE YOU'RE OPEN.
00:17:16.500 --> 00:17:19.533
AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
WE'VE HEARD THE CALL
00:17:19.633 --> 00:17:21.766
THAT JESUS SAID WE MUST
BE BORN AGAIN.
00:17:21.866 --> 00:17:22.666
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
00:17:22.766 --> 00:17:23.999
JACK: SO THINK OF THIS.
00:17:24.099 --> 00:17:28.066
SO IF PEOPLE WILL GO BACK, IF
THEY'LL GOOGLE THIS AND LOOK.
00:17:28.166 --> 00:17:30.899
IT WAS SHOCKING TO
SPEND THREE SATURDAYS.
00:17:30.999 --> 00:17:33.633
WE HAD THREE SATURDAYS
DOWN AT CORONA DEL MAR.
00:17:33.733 --> 00:17:37.033
IF YOU KNOW WHERE
THAT IS IN, NEWPORT BEACH,
00:17:37.133 --> 00:17:39.100
THAT'S WHERE
WE BAPTIZE PEOPLE.
00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:44.800
AND WE BAPTIZED 3,011
PEOPLE THREE, THREE SATURDAYS
00:17:44.900 --> 00:17:48.833
IT TOOK TO DO THAT, AND
MOST OF THEM WERE PEOPLE
00:17:48.933 --> 00:17:52.199
WHO PROFESSED CHRISTIANITY
BUT HAD NEVER HEARD
00:17:52.299 --> 00:17:53.666
THAT THEY HAD TO BE
BORN AGAIN.
00:17:53.766 --> 00:17:54.999
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
00:17:55.099 --> 00:17:56.599
JACK: AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN --
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEIR BIBLES.
00:17:56.699 --> 00:17:59.600
AND SO, YOU KNOW, A PASTOR
WANTS PEOPLE TO COME TO CHRIST
00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:01.600
BECAUSE THEY JUST
WALKED OFF THE STREETS,
00:18:01.700 --> 00:18:03.300
OR THEY'RE A PROSTITUTE
OR A DRUG ADDICT.
00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:04.600
THEY JUST WALKED IN.
00:18:04.700 --> 00:18:08.499
IT'S LIKE, YES, I WAS SHOCKED
THAT THE BULK OF THE PEOPLE
00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:10.799
THAT WERE COMING TO CHRIST
HAD BEEN CHURCHED.
00:18:10.899 --> 00:18:12.066
REBECCA: THAT'S CRAZY.
00:18:12.166 --> 00:18:15.566
JACK: BUT HAD NEVER MET JESUS
PERSONALLY FREAKED ME OUT.
00:18:15.666 --> 00:18:19.633
REBECCA: I KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S
LIKE THAT'S THE CHURCH'S JOB,
00:18:19.733 --> 00:18:21.600
AND WHAT'S CRAZY IS
THEY WOULD HAVE GONE,
00:18:21.700 --> 00:18:24.700
THEY WERE BOUND TO HELL,
WHICH IS SUCH A SOBERING REALITY
00:18:24.800 --> 00:18:26.899
TO SOAK IN
IN THAT WE CAN'T.
00:18:26.999 --> 00:18:28.666
IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR
SOMEONE JUST TO GO TO A CHURCH
00:18:28.766 --> 00:18:30.166
OR TO HEAR SERMONS.
00:18:30.266 --> 00:18:32.266
THEY HAVE
TO BECOME BELIEVERS
00:18:32.366 --> 00:18:35.266
AND HAVE A RELATIONSHIP
WITH GOD AND BE DISCIPLED.
00:18:35.366 --> 00:18:36.833
SO THAT IS, MAN,
00:18:36.933 --> 00:18:38.633
THAT IS WILD.
00:18:38.733 --> 00:18:42.066
BUT GOD USED A HARD
SITUATION TO BRING EVEN
00:18:42.166 --> 00:18:44.433
THESE CHURCHED
PEOPLE TO HIM,
00:18:44.533 --> 00:18:48.399
WHICH IS SUCH
AN IRONIC THING TO SAY.
00:18:48.499 --> 00:18:50.466
WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING
I WAS GOING TO TAP ON?
00:18:50.566 --> 00:18:54.233
I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW
YOU GOT RESILIENCE
00:18:54.333 --> 00:18:56.666
FROM ALL THOSE YEARS
OF PEOPLE BULLYING YOU
00:18:56.766 --> 00:18:57.866
AND MISTREATING YOU,
00:18:57.966 --> 00:18:59.966
THAT WHEN YOU WERE
FACING THE BIGGER BULLIES,
00:19:00.066 --> 00:19:01.566
YOU'RE LIKE, I'VE
ALREADY BEEN DOWN THIS PATH.
00:19:01.666 --> 00:19:02.799
I'M NOT AFRAID IN THERE.
00:19:02.899 --> 00:19:03.966
YEAH.
00:19:04.066 --> 00:19:05.466
WHICH I THINK IS SUCH A
COOL, YOU HAVE SUCH A LIKE
00:19:05.566 --> 00:19:07.633
GOD PERSPECTIVE ON YOUR
LIFE, WHICH I LOVE
00:19:07.733 --> 00:19:10.666
BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE NOT
ALLOWED GOD TO REDEEM THE HURT
00:19:10.766 --> 00:19:13.932
IN THEIR PAST BECAUSE
AND THEY THEY'RE LIVING IN
00:19:14.032 --> 00:19:16.632
THAT WOUNDEDNESS WHICH
I THINK THE ENEMY WANTS PEOPLE,
00:19:16.732 --> 00:19:18.633
HE WANTS THEM TO STAY
WOUNDED, BECAUSE I THINK
00:19:18.733 --> 00:19:22.199
SOME OF THE MOST PEOPLE WHO DO
THE MOST DAMAGE IN THE BODY
00:19:22.299 --> 00:19:24.133
UNINTENTIONALLY
ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WOUNDED.
00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:27.699
AND SO YOU HAVE TO ALLOW GOD TO
SET YOU FREE FROM YOUR HURT
00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:31.566
AND TAKE YOU FROM A VICTIM
TO A VICTOR.
00:19:31.666 --> 00:19:32.600
JACK: ABSOLUTELY.
00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:35.832
REBECCA: AND A HUGE PROBLEM
IN ALL PEOPLE,
00:19:35.932 --> 00:19:39.432
NOT JUST CHURCH PEOPLE IN
HUMANITY IS FATHER WOUNDS.
00:19:39.532 --> 00:19:43.132
AND YOU HAD A REALLY,
REALLY BAD FATHER WOUND.
00:19:43.232 --> 00:19:46.266
WHEN I HEARD YOUR STORY,
IT REALLY BOTHERED ME
00:19:46.366 --> 00:19:48.532
BECAUSE I JUST, KNOWING MY
PERSONALITY, I WAS LIKE,
00:19:48.632 --> 00:19:50.499
IF I HAD
EXPERIENCED THAT,
00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:52.033
I DON'T KNOW HOW
I WOULD HAVE HANDLED IT.
00:19:52.133 --> 00:19:55.999
LIKE, SO I WANT YOU TO TALK
ABOUT THE FATHER WOUND YOU GOT
00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:59.132
AND HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO
FORGIVE AND GET HEALING.
00:19:59.232 --> 00:20:00.800
SO THAT YOU COULD
WALK IN VICTORY
00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:05.033
AND BE A FATHER TO YOUR CHILDREN
AND GRANDCHILDREN AND,
00:20:05.133 --> 00:20:06.632
YOUR WHOLE
CONGREGATION.
00:20:06.732 --> 00:20:07.666
JACK: IT'S A JOY.
00:20:07.766 --> 00:20:10.466
SO THIS WAY, YOU YOU
ALREADY KNOW THE STORY
00:20:10.566 --> 00:20:14.666
THAT MY MOM AND MY DAD, THEY HAD
MY SISTER AND MY BROTHER
00:20:14.766 --> 00:20:15.933
AND THEY
WERE DONE WITH THAT.
00:20:16.033 --> 00:20:20.199
SO, MY BROTHER, WHO, THANK GOD,
LOVES THE LORD TODAY,
00:20:20.299 --> 00:20:22.366
AND HE'S
FOLLOWING CHRIST.
00:20:22.466 --> 00:20:28.866
SO WHEN I CAME ALONG, IT WAS
VERY MUCH MY DAD AND MY BROTHER,
00:20:28.966 --> 00:20:30.266
MY DAD
AND MY BROTHER.
00:20:30.366 --> 00:20:33.299
SO IN MANY WAYS, I
DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO
00:20:33.399 --> 00:20:37.399
PARTICIPATE IN
DAD-TYPE STUFF.
00:20:37.499 --> 00:20:40.832
AND SO MY MOM AND MY
SISTER PICKED UP ON THAT SIDE.
00:20:40.932 --> 00:20:47.833
SO THEY OVERMOTHERED ME
TO AN EXTENT, RIGHT WHERE,
00:20:47.933 --> 00:20:49.699
THEY SAW THE DIFFERENCE.
00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:55.433
AND SO THEY HOVERED.
HAVING SAID THAT,
00:20:55.533 --> 00:20:59.032
THERE WAS VERY FEW WORDS
THAT MY DAD AND I EVER HAD
00:20:59.132 --> 00:21:02.300
A CHANCE, EVER
COMMUNICATED WITH.
00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:03.366
AND WHEN I SAY
COMMUNICATION,
00:21:03.466 --> 00:21:05.900
THAT'S ACTUALLY
NOT EVEN THE RIGHT TERM,
00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.199
BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY COMMAND,
SO TO SPEAK.
00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:08.899
DON'T TOUCH MY TOOLS.
00:21:08.999 --> 00:21:10.700
GET OUT OF THAT THING.
00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:11.566
DON'T DO THIS.
00:21:11.666 --> 00:21:12.766
DON'T DO THAT.
00:21:12.866 --> 00:21:16.400
IT WAS NEVER, YOU KNOW, THE
THINGS ABOUT GROWING UP
00:21:16.500 --> 00:21:21.066
AND HAVING A DAD,
AND SO BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG,
00:21:21.166 --> 00:21:22.533
HE WAS A MARINE.
00:21:22.633 --> 00:21:27.432
HE LOVED AMERICA, HE WAS
A GREAT PROVIDER, OKAY?
00:21:27.532 --> 00:21:34.266
HE WAS A GREAT PROTECTOR.
THAT SAID, I WAS NON-EXISTANT
00:21:34.366 --> 00:21:39.999
TO HIM. THE AMAZING THING IS
THAT THE NIGHT THAT I GOT SAVED,
00:21:40.099 --> 00:21:44.866
AND I CAN TELL YOU, BECCA,
IT WAS JUNE 20TH, 1977.
00:21:44.966 --> 00:21:47.466
IT WAS DURING
THE JESUS REVOLUTION.
00:21:47.566 --> 00:21:51.666
AND YES, GREG LAURIE
WALKED ONTO THE STAGE
00:21:51.766 --> 00:21:54.900
AND OPENED UP A BIBLE.
I HAD COME TO THIS SERVICE
00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.599
REALLY NOT KNOWING
WHAT TO EXPECT.
00:21:56.699 --> 00:21:58.066
I DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT WAS GOING ON.
00:21:58.166 --> 00:22:01.566
I SAW THIS GUY OPEN UP
THIS BOOK WITH GOLD PAGES.
00:22:01.666 --> 00:22:03.999
THAT FREAKED ME OUT BECAUSE
I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THIS?
00:22:04.099 --> 00:22:06.666
AND HE STARTED TALKING
ABOUT HOW DOES SOMEBODY,
00:22:06.766 --> 00:22:09.033
REVELATION CHAPTER 20,
HOW DO YOU INHERIT HELL?
00:22:09.133 --> 00:22:12.000
AND I THOUGHT, WHAT?
00:22:12.100 --> 00:22:13.400
BECAUSE I DIDN'T
KNOW ANYTHING.
00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:15.966
BUT HE WENT DOWN THE LIST
ON HOW TO GET TO HELL.
00:22:16.066 --> 00:22:18.599
AND THE BOTTOM LINE WAS,
IT'S NOT ALL THOSE THINGS
00:22:18.699 --> 00:22:22.266
THAT YOU'VE DONE AS MUCH AS WHAT
ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH JESUS?
00:22:22.366 --> 00:22:23.333
WELL, IT'S
CRYSTAL CLEAR TO ME.
00:22:23.433 --> 00:22:25.033
I NEED TO MAKE, I NEED TO
GET MY HEART TO CHRIST
00:22:25.133 --> 00:22:25.933
BECAUSE I WAS GUILTY.
00:22:26.033 --> 00:22:27.332
I WASN'T
GUILTY OF EVERYTHING,
00:22:27.432 --> 00:22:30.633
BUT I WAS GUILTY ENOUGH TO KNOW
ENOUGH TO START SWEATING.
00:22:30.733 --> 00:22:35.666
I WAS SO CONVICTED, CONVICTED,
AND SO COMING TO CHRIST
00:22:35.766 --> 00:22:36.899
IN THAT MOMENT.
00:22:36.999 --> 00:22:40.233
SO THOSE WOUNDS, YOU SAID
SOMETHING WHERE THE NUMBER ONE
00:22:40.333 --> 00:22:44.533
THING FOR ME, REBECCA,
IS THAT WHEN I CAME TO CHRIST,
00:22:44.633 --> 00:22:46.333
I COULD
RELATE TO JESUS.
00:22:46.433 --> 00:22:50.466
I'M FIGURING OUT WHO THE
HOLY SPIRIT IS, BUT THE FATHER,
00:22:50.566 --> 00:22:53.333
REALLY, THE FATHER?
00:22:53.433 --> 00:22:57.433
BUT WHEN I BEGAN TO READ
ESPECIALLY JOHN CHAPTER 17,
00:22:57.533 --> 00:23:01.866
WHEN JESUS TELLS US AND HE'S
IT'S RECORDED IN JOHN 17,
00:23:01.966 --> 00:23:03.799
IT'S TRULY THE
PRIESTLY PRAYER OF CHRIST.
00:23:03.899 --> 00:23:07.766
HE'S TALKING TO HIS FATHER ABOUT
THEIR LOVE BETWEEN ONE ANOTHER,
00:23:07.866 --> 00:23:10.033
AND THEN HE
SAYS TO THE FATHER
00:23:10.133 --> 00:23:14.832
ABOUT HIS LOVE FOR US THAT
THE LIGHT TURNED ON FOR ME
00:23:14.932 --> 00:23:16.499
AND IT WAS,
OKAY, THAT'S IT.
00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:17.600
I GET IT.
00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:20.366
SO BEING ACCEPTED BY
THE HEAVENLY FATHER,
00:23:20.466 --> 00:23:25.732
PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT GOD
IS THE ONE WHO SO REDEEMS
00:23:25.832 --> 00:23:28.532
THAT YOU MIGHT BE TODAY
THINKING, YEAH, WELL,
00:23:28.632 --> 00:23:30.099
THAT'S GOOD
FOR YOU, JACK,
00:23:30.199 --> 00:23:31.799
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT I WENT THROUGH.
00:23:31.899 --> 00:23:34.466
HERE'S THE AMAZING STUFF:
I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW.
00:23:34.566 --> 00:23:35.933
HE KNOWS.
00:23:36.033 --> 00:23:37.899
AND YOU SAID
IT SO PERFECT, REBECCA.
00:23:37.999 --> 00:23:39.233
IT'S THIS:
00:23:39.333 --> 00:23:43.066
A LOT OF CHRISTIANS HAVE
BEEN RESURRECTED IN JESUS,
00:23:43.166 --> 00:23:45.333
BUT THEY'RE STILL WRAPPED
IN THEIR GRAVE CLOTHS.
00:23:45.433 --> 00:23:46.932
LIKE LAZARUS.
00:23:47.032 --> 00:23:51.300
NO WONDER WHY JESUS SAID WHEN
LAZARUS COMES HOPPING OUT,
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:54.166
SOMEBODY LOOSE HIM
AND LET HIM GO.
00:23:54.266 --> 00:23:56.866
A LOT OF CHRISTIANS TODAY
NEED TO BE LOOSED
00:23:56.966 --> 00:24:00.766
BY THE PAINS OF THEIR PAST
BECAUSE JESUS' GRACE AND MERCY
00:24:00.866 --> 00:24:03.433
IS FAR MORE POWERFUL
THAN ANYTHING
00:24:03.533 --> 00:24:06.100
THAT THIS WORLD COULD HAVE
EVER HAVE DONE TO US.
00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:07.333
YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW.
00:24:07.600 --> 00:24:08.199
YEAH, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW.
00:24:08.299 --> 00:24:09.266
WAIT.
00:24:09.366 --> 00:24:11.466
WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IS
THE POWER OF GOD TO TAKE
00:24:11.566 --> 00:24:15.233
WHAT IS THE WORST AND
LITERALLY USE THOSE THINGS
00:24:15.333 --> 00:24:18.566
TO BE YOUR TESTIMONY,
YOUR WITNESS.
00:24:18.666 --> 00:24:20.566
SO JESUS SUMMED
IT UP THIS WAY.
00:24:20.666 --> 00:24:24.499
THE PERSON WHO'S
FORGIVEN MUCH IS LOVED MUCH,
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.033
AND EVEN THOSE WHO DON'T EVEN
NEED TO BE FORGIVEN.
00:24:27.133 --> 00:24:28.766
WHAT IF YOU'RE
AN ABUSED CHILD?
00:24:28.866 --> 00:24:30.533
YOU DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING TO REPENT OF.
00:24:30.633 --> 00:24:33.899
YOU WERE AN ABUSED CHILD,
BUT SATAN SAYS TO YOU,
00:24:33.999 --> 00:24:36.266
OH, YOU WERE
AN ABUSED CHILD.
00:24:36.366 --> 00:24:38.133
YOU MUST HAVE DONE
SOMETHING TO PROVOKE THAT.
00:24:38.233 --> 00:24:40.100
THAT'S SATANIC.
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.532
WHAT YOU NEED TO REALIZE IS
THIS WORLD TRIED TO DESTROY YOU.
00:24:43.632 --> 00:24:47.432
IT TRIED TO ABORT ALL OF
US ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
00:24:47.532 --> 00:24:49.466
AT SOME STAGE OF
OUR LIVES OR ANOTHER,
00:24:49.533 --> 00:24:54.766
YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT GOD'S PLAN
IS MORE POWERFUL AND THRILLING
00:24:54.866 --> 00:24:57.066
THAN ANYTHING THAT THIS
WORLD CAN THROW AT YOU.
00:24:57.166 --> 00:24:59.199
REBECCA: THAT'S SO
BEAUTIFULLY SAID.
00:24:59.299 --> 00:25:01.333
AND UNFORTUNATELY,
WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
00:25:01.433 --> 00:25:03.766
I'M SO SAD BECAUSE WE
COULD EASILY KEEP TALKING.
00:25:03.866 --> 00:25:07.099
BUT PASTOR JACK, FOR THOSE WHO
WANT TO GET CONNECTED WITH YOU,
00:25:07.199 --> 00:25:10.266
I KNOW YOU ALSO
HAVE A NEW BOOK COMING OUT.
00:25:10.366 --> 00:25:12.133
JUST PLUG THE BOOK A
LITTLE BIT AND JUST PLUG
00:25:12.233 --> 00:25:13.599
WHERE PEOPLE CAN FIND YOU.
00:25:13.699 --> 00:25:16.233
JACK: YEAH, EVERYTHING
IS AT JACKHIBBS.COM.
00:25:16.333 --> 00:25:17.633
WE HAVE A LOT
OF SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:25:17.733 --> 00:25:21.032
WE HAVE A LOT OF BIBLE
TEACHING, A LOT OF PODCASTING,
00:25:21.132 --> 00:25:23.866
EVERYTHING IS
AT JACKHIBBS.COM.
00:25:23.966 --> 00:25:25.999
THE BOOK IS CALLED
LIVING IN THE DAZE OF DECEPTION .
00:25:26.099 --> 00:25:29.399
D-A-Z-E, AND WE'RE HAPPY
TO HEAR THIS MORNING
00:25:29.499 --> 00:25:30.899
THAT IT'S
NUMBER ONE AT AMAZON.
00:25:30.999 --> 00:25:32.100
SO WE'RE REALLY
EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:33.166
REBECCA: CONGRATULATIONS.
00:25:33.266 --> 00:25:34.166
THAT'S AMAZING.
00:25:34.266 --> 00:25:35.699
AND THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:36.633
JACK: THANK YOU, BECCA.
00:25:36.733 --> 00:25:37.700
REBECCA: AND
THANKS FOR LISTENING TO
00:25:37.800 --> 00:25:39.366
THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST .