IN THIS EPISODE I SIT DOWN WITH HEATHER Z AS SHE SHARES
HER AMAZING STORY OF MIRACLES AND HEALING AND SO MUCH MORE.
YOU GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO WANT MISS IT, SO CHECK IT OUT.
REBECCA: HEY, GUYS.
WELCOME BACK TO THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.
I AM JOINED TODAY WITH SOMEONE I LOVE,
HEATHER Z, CO-FOUNDER OF Z MINISTRIES,
WITH HER AND HER HUSBAND JOSEPH,
WHO WE'VE ALSO HAD ON THE PROGRAM.
BUT NOW WE GET TO TALK TO HEATHER.
HEATHER: YES.
REBECCA: WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
HEATHER: THANK YOU.
IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, I LOVE YOU, AND I'M EXCITED TO SIT DOWN
AND HEAR SOME STORIES.
SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON, BECAUSE
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE COULD TALK ABOUT.
BUT TODAY I WANT TO FOCUS ON HEALING BECAUSE YOU'VE
HAD A LOT OF HEALING, MIRACLES AND EXPERIENCES
AND ALSO HAVING TO BELIEVE FOR HEALING.
HEATHER: YEAH.
REBECCA: WHICH I THINK IS HARD.
LIKE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW,
YOU HAD STUFF WITH YOUR KIDS, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE
AS A MOTHER.
SO I WANT TO START OFF WITH A STORY AND THEN
I'LL HAVE SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
SO TELL ME ABOUT YOU WERE 12.
HEATHER: OH, OKAY.
YES.
REBECCA: WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE WAY, WAY BACK.
HEATHER: WAY BACK, YEAH.
NO, THERE IS DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN HEALING AND MIRACLES.
SO WHEN I WAS 12, I, I WAS A GYMNAST, AND I,
I WASN'T DOING ANYTHING SPECTACULAR.
MY MUSCLES WERE STRESSED, AND I WAS JUST SWINGING.
AND ON THE BACK SWING, I FLUNG FORWARD,
I HIT MY HEAD AND I HEARD MY NECK SNAP.
AND SO WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS IS I BROKE C1,
WHICH IS THE VERY TOP.
DO YOU REMEMBER CHRISTOPHER REEVE,
SUPERMAN, BACK IN THE LIKE 70S, 80S?
HE ENDED UP IN A WHEELCHAIR AS A VEGETABLE.
REBECCA: OH, YEAH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.
HEATHER: I BROKE THAT VERTEBRAE.
REBECCA: I KNOW EXACTLY.
I GO TO THE CHIROPRACTOR ALL THE TIME.
I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE C1 IS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES MY
C1 OR MY C2 IS OUT.
THAT'S LIKE RIGHT UP AT THE VERY TOP OF THE NECK.
THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT VERTEBRAE.
HEATHER: YEAH.
AND THE HIGHER UP, THE MORE VITAL IS
FOR THE REST OF THE BODY.
AND SO...
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.
HEATHER: YEAH, SO I BROKE
MY NECK AND AS I, I DON'T KNOW HOW I,
HOW I GOT UP, I HONESTLY DON'T.
BECAUSE I TOOK A GIRL TO THE PARK.
MY PARENTS WERE MEETING WITH SOME FRIENDS
FROM CHURCH AND...
REBECCA: WAIT, YOU JUST KEPT GOING?
LIKE AFTER YOU BROKE YOUR NECK, YOU JUST GOT UP.
HEATHER: WELL, SO I, I BLACKED OUT AND SHE WAS CRYING
LIKE, WHAT SHOULD I DO?
I'M LIKE, GO GET MY PARENTS.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING I REMEMBER,
I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET HOLDING MY NECK
BACK TO THE HOUSE.
REBECCA: NO, YOU WALKED.
HEATHER: YEAH.
REBECCA: OH, MY...
HEATHER: YEAH, I KNOW, THERE'S A FEW THINGS
THAT HAPPENED THAT I --
IT WAS THE LORD.
SO IT WAS MIRACULOUS VERSUS
LIKE A HEALING JOURNEY.
REBECCA: GOTCHA.
HEATHER: AND SO AS I WALKED IN THE DOOR, I SAID, MOM,
I THINK I BROKE MY NECK.
AND SHE'S LIKE, YEAH, BUT I WAS IN SO MUCH SHOCK,
THERE WAS ONE TEAR.
BECAUSE I WAS IN SO MUCH PAIN THAT
I COULDN'T REALLY CRY.
THEY GET ME TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY SAID,
WE THINK OUR DAUGHTER BROKE HER NECK.
THEY'RE LIKE, WHERE IS SHE?
IN THE CAR.
THEY'RE LIKE, YOU MOVED HER AND THEY'RE LIKE,
SHE WALKED HOME.
SO THEY GOT ME IN THERE.
AND BY THE TIME WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE VITALS AND
AND HOW MANY FINGERS AND ALL THE THINGS,
AM I HOLDING UP,
THEY GOT ME INTO THE CT SCAN
AND I'M ON A METAL TABLE.
AND AS I'M LAYING THERE, THEY JUST SAID, HEATHER,
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME PICTURES.
AND HONESTLY, THEY WEREN'T TELLING MY PARENTS THIS AT
THE TIME, BUT THEY WERE BASICALLY JUST WAITING
FOR MY LUNGS TO COLLAPSE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU BREAK, IT'S CALLED HANGMAN'S VERTEBRAE.
SO WHEN YOU SNAP THAT VERTEBRAE,
IT CONTROLS YOUR LUNGS AND YOUR BREATHING,
SO THEY JUST WAIT FOR YOU TO SUFFOCATE AND DIE
REALLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
REBECCA: WHAT?
HEATHER: UH-HUH, SO I'M LAYING ON THIS METAL TABLE.
REBECCA: NO.
HEATHER: AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW THEY'RE LIKE HEATHER WE'RE
GOING TO TAKE SOME PICTURES.
BE RIGHT BACK.
AND I STARTED TO FEEL SLEEPY AND MY EYES BEGAN TO SHUT.
AND WHEN THEY DID, NEXT THING I KNOW I'M LOOKING
AT MYSELF ON THE TABLE.
AND I'M LIKE, OH, THAT'S ME.
THERE WAS NO FEAR, BUT I DIED AND I PASSED,
AND I WENT AND SAW THE LORD.
REBECCA: WAIT, WHAT?
OKAY, THAT'S SO MUCH TO PROCESS IN MY BRAIN.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WAS KIND OF CRUEL
THAT THEY JUST LEFT YOU ON A TABLE LIKE THAT.
IT SEEMS A LITTLE INHUMANE.
HEATHER: WELL, THEY WERE, I MEAN, THEY WERE
TAKING X RAYS AND --
REBECCA: OKAY.
HEATHER: I WAS GOING INTO A CT SCAN,
SO THEY WERE -- THEY WERE TAKING IMAGES.
REBECCA: SO YOU, YOU HAD AN OUT OF BODY,
YOU LEFT YOUR, YOUR SPIRIT LEFT YOUR BODY BASICALLY.
HEATHER: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THEN YOU WENT TO GO BE WITH THE LORD.
HEATHER: YEAH.
REBECCA: DO YOU LIKE, REMEMBER MUCH ABOUT THAT?
LIKE CAN YOU SHARE WHAT YOU SAW?
HEATHER: NO, I WAS ALTERED.
I WAS ALTERED AFTER THAT COMPLETELY, SO...
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.
I WOULD NOT WANT TO BREAK MY NECK AT ALL,
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GO SEE JESUS.
OKAY, SO TELL US ABOUT IT.
HEATHER: SO, AS I LEFT AND I WAS THERE,
I RECOGNIZED PEOPLE THAT I KNEW.
SO I COULD SEE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE,
BUT I ALSO SAW PEOPLE THAT --
I WAS KIND OF IN THIS
IN-BETWEEN SPACE, IF YOU WILL.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT SO MANY PEOPLE I TALK TO,
THEY SAY THAT'S WHERE THEY GO.
IT'S LIKE THEY DON'T GO ALL THE WAY IN BECAUSE
IT'S ALMOST LIKE IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY IN,
YOU CAN'T GO BACK.
HEATHER: YEAH.
REBECCA: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A THING OR NOT,
BUT I'VE HEARD THAT SO MANY TIMES WHERE IT'S LIKE,
EVEN WHEN MY DAD HAD HIS TRANCE, HE'S LIKE,
I DIDN'T GO INTO HEAVEN.
I WAS OUTSIDE IT.
AND I'VE HEARD THAT CONCEPT SO MANY TIMES.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE LIKE IN THIS IN-BETWEEN PLACE.
HEATHER: SO I WAS IN THIS HOME, WHICH SEEMED
ALMOST LIKE MY HOME.
BUT AS I WAS LOOKING OUTSIDE AND I DON'T KNOW
HOW TO, TO SAY THAT A BLADE OF GRASS IS THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL THING I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
BUT THE GRASS -- I WAS LOOKING OUTSIDE AT THESE
BIG BLADES OF GRASS AND THEN OFF IN THE DISTANCE
IT WAS WHEAT.
AND SO I JUST THOUGHT, I WANT TO GO SEE THAT.
AND IT JUST I MOVED AT THE SPEED OF THOUGHT.
SO I WENT THROUGH THE WALL
AND THEN I WAS OUTSIDE WHERE THE GRASS
AND THE WHEAT WAS.
AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW, I WAS COMPELLED TO LOOK UP.
AND I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE SAY, I MET JESUS.
HE'S ABOUT SIX FEET TALL.
AND, MAN, THAT WAS NOT MY EXPERIENCE AT ALL.
I ENDED UP GOING OUT THERE AND I WAS COMPELLED TO
LOOK UP INTO THE SKY.
AND AS I DID, I SAW THESE TWO HUGE HANDS BE LIKE,
FILL THE ENTIRE SKY.
NOW I KNOW THAT JESUS SPOKE
AND HE CREATED WITH HIS WORD.
BUT THESE HANDS WERE LIKE GALAXY-MOVING,
GALAXY-BUILDING HANDS THAT FILLED THE ENTIRE SKY
AND THEY CAME DOWN AND THEY CUPPED TOGETHER.
AND ONCE THEY CAME TOGETHER,
I WAS SITTING IN HIS HANDS
AND THAT'S WHEN HE SPOKE.
AND IT AND IT JUST IT HIT ME RIGHT HERE AS HE BEGAN
TO TALK TO ME.
AND I WOULD RESPOND, WHAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO JUST
A THOUGHT IN MY HEAD.
SO IT REALLY WAS SPIRIT TO SPIRIT.
I NEVER USED MY MOUTH TO TALK.
AS WE BEGAN TO CONVERSE, I REALLY TRIED TO LOOK AT HIM,
BUT I COULD ONLY SEE FROM THE SHOULDER AND DOWN.
HIS FACE WAS LIKE A BRILLIANCE AND A WHITE
THAT I CANNOT DESCRIBE.
IT WAS TOO BRILLIANT.
AND SO AS HE BEGAN TO SPEAK TO ME,
I HAD A SENSE OF FAMILY.
HE BEGAN TO -- A SENSE OF HUSBAND,
BUT HE JUST BEGAN TO TELL ME, I HAVE DESIGNED,
I'VE, I HAVE ASSIGNMENTS IN YOU THAT I'VE PUT ON THE
INSIDE OF YOU THAT I DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY YOU FOR.
AND YES, WE KNOW THERE'S 7000 MORE JUST LIKE YOU.
THERE'S OTHERS, BUT IT'S THE ONES WHO WILL SAY YES.
THERE ARE MANY OF US, BUT IT'S THE LORD'S LOOKING
FOR THE ONES THAT WILL CONSTANTLY SAY YES.
REBECCA: YEAH.
HEATHER: NO MATTER HOW HARD IT GETS
OR HOW DIFFICULT IT GETS,
DESPAIR, YOU KNOW?
ANYWAY, THAT SAID, HE JUST BEGAN TO TELL ME
ABOUT MY LIFE.
AND SO TOWARDS THE END HE JUST SAID,
I HAVE BUILT YOU AND DESIGNED YOU
FOR ASSIGNMENTS AND PURPOSES.
AND SO AT THE END, HE JUST SAID, HEATHER,
DON'T WORRY, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
I HAVE YOU IN MY HANDS.
IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO NOW.
AND I JUST SAID BACK, OH, SORRY.
OH, I'M TRYING NOT TO CRY.
I JUST SAID, NO, LORD, I DON'T WANT --
I DON'T WANT TO GO.
AND HE, HE JUST SAID, HEATHER, DON'T WORRY.
EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
I HAVE YOU IN MY HANDS.
IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO NOW.
AND THE NEXT THING I KNEW, MY EYES OPENED AND WIND
BEGAN TO FILL MY LUNGS AND I WENT...
[ BREATHING IN ]
HEATHER: LIKE THIS.
AND WHEN YOU'RE 12, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT C1 CONTROLS --
REBECCA: YOUR BREATHING.
HEATHER: THERE WAS A SPECIALIST IN
TOWN IN MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA THAT WEEK OR
WEEKEND DOING AN EXPO CONFERENCE, WHATEVER,
WHO SPECIALIZED IN C1 BREAKS.
HE FORGOT HIS PAGER AT THAT VERY HOSPITAL,
SO HE HAD TO MISS HIS FLIGHT.
COME BACK, AND THEY'RE LIKE,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE IT.
WE HAVE THIS LITTLE GIRL IN HERE WHO BROKE HER NECK.
CAN YOU COME LOOK AT HER VERTEBRAE OR HER --
BECAUSE HER C1, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE IF
WE'RE GOING TO PUT A HALO ON HER OR WHAT.
AND HE LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID, THIS IS INTERESTING.
AND MY MOM WAS STANDING THERE AND HE SAID, SHE
ABSOLUTELY BROKE HER NECK,
BUT IT'S BEEN FUSED TOGETHER.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
AND SO HE SAID, AND IF IT WAS A HAIR TO THE LEFT OR
THE RIGHT, SHE'D BE INSTANTLY DEAD.
HE SAID, SO THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN THE BOOK OF THE
MIRACULOUS OR THE UNEXPLAINED IN THE MIRACLES,
IN THE HOSPITAL SETTING, HE SAID,
BUT SHE'LL BE FINE.
SIX, SIX WEEKS IN A SOFT COLLAR AND SO HER NECK
MUSCLES COULD HEAL BECAUSE I COULDN'T HOLD MY HEAD UP.
HE SAID, SHE'LL BE JUST FINE
AND THAT WAS IT.
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
HEATHER: YEAH.
REBECCA: WHAT AN INCREDIBLE STORY.
SO THERE'S SO MUCH TO UNPACK THERE.
THAT'S SO COOL ABOUT YOU AND JESUS.
I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE,
YOU DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE.
EVERYONE I TALK TO NEVER WANTS TO LEAVE.
HEATHER: NO.
AND IT HELPS GIVE YOU A SENSE OF I KNOW WHERE I
COME FROM BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE ALL THE HARDSHIPS
THAT I WAS THAT WERE GOING TO COME AT,
LIKE IN WAVES AFTER THAT, THROUGH MY TEENS, MY,
MY YOUNGER YEARS, THEN INTO WITH CHILDREN.
EVERYTHING FROM ALLISON DYING IN THE WOMB TO NOW
SHE'S HERE AND, YOU KNOW, AND MY SON WITH BEING
DIAGNOSED SEVERELY WITH AUTISM TO
HEREDITARY DOUBLE RENAL KIDNEY FAILURE TO A SHOULD
NOT HAVE GOTTEN A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT,
BUT THAT, AGAIN, WAS ANOTHER MIRACLE.
ACTUALLY, IT WAS MORE OF A HEALING
AND MIRACLE TO WALK OUT.
REBECCA: THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO THERE'S THE MIRACULOUS WHERE THERE'S
KIND OF LIKE THIS INSTANT HEALING,
AND THEN THERE'S A HEALING JOURNEY.
HEATHER: YES.
REBECCA: WHICH I WOULD GUESS REQUIRES IT TAKES TIME.
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE GOD DOES A WORK IN YOU THROUGH
THAT PROCESS OF HAVING TO BELIEVE.
HEATHER: YES.
REBECCA: SO WHEN YOU FOR SO WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE,
LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STORY
ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER.
HEATHER: YEAH.
REBECCA: YOU SAID, I MEAN, YOU SAID IT
SO LIKE NONCHALANT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REBECCA: YOU STRAIGHT UP JUST SAID YOUR
DAUGHTER WAS DEAD IN THE WOMB.
HEATHER: FOR THREE DAYS.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.
I'M ACTUALLY PREGNANT RIGHT NOW WITH OUR THIRD BABY.
AND I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE EMOTIONS CONNECTED TO THAT.
SO TELL US THAT STORY,
WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
HEATHER: SO I WAS VERY MUCH FULL, YOU KNOW,
I HAD BABY BUMP AND EVERYTHING,
AND I WAS EXPERIENCING PAIN.
SO WE WENT IN JUST TO SEE BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WERE
KIDS, BABIES HAVING BABIES.
SO AS WE WENT IN --
REBECCA: WAS SHE YOUR FIRST OR
YOUR SECOND BABY?
HEATHER: FIRST.
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH, THAT'S EVEN MORE CRAZY
BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE.
HEATHER: YEAH.
REBECCA: SO IT'S A LOT OF, I MEAN, YOU FEEL PRESSURE AND YOU
CAN BE NERVOUS BECAUSE IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW.
HEATHER: YEAH, AND JUST IGNORANT.
BUT AS WE WERE IN ON THE ULTRASOUND,
JOSEPH JUST SAID, HEY, I'M SURE YOU SEE SOME TOUGH
THINGS IN HERE.
AND WE WERE YOUNG AND DUMB,
NOT KNOWING THE QUESTION --
THE STATEMENTS WE'RE EVEN WERE MAKING.
AND HE'S LIKE, YEAH, HE'S LIKE,
WHAT'S SOME OF THE TOUGHEST THINGS?
HE SAID, WELL, SOMETIMES AS HE'S RUNNING THE
ULTRASOUND OVER MY STOMACH, HE SAID,
SOMETIMES THERE ARE BABIES THAT ARE DEAD AND I DON'T
HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY ANY --
I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING.
AND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO TELL US
WITHOUT TELLING US WHAT,
LIKE WARNING US WHAT WAS GOING ON.
BUT ANYWAY, THEY JUST -- THEY AFTER HOURS OF BEING
THERE, THEY JUST SENT ME HOME AND SAID,
WE'LL HAVE YOUR PHYSICIAN, YOUR BABY DOCTOR REACH OUT
TO YOU AND WE'LL JUST.
AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY EVEN TELL ME
WHAT WAS GOING ON.
REBECCA: THAT'S WEIRD.
HEATHER: RIGHT.
SO WE GET HOME AND JOSEPH'S LIKE,
I JUST FEEL LED TO PRAY.
I'M JUST GOING TO LAY HANDS ON YOUR STOMACH
AND HE DID.
AND HE JUST SAID, BABY, YOU LISTEN TO ME, LIVE.
AND HE JUST BEGAN TO SPEAK LIFE AND I'M LIKE,
THERE HAD BEEN NO MOVEMENT FOR DAYS.
AND I HONESTLY, DID NOT KNOW EVEN THEN WHAT WAS
GOING ON YET, BECAUSE THEY JUST REALLY
DIDN'T TELL ME ANYTHING.
THEY JUST SAID, WELL, WE NEED
TO JUST MAKE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT,
HAVE YOU COME IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED IT,
I DON'T KNOW IF -- I DON'T KNOW
IF THE LORD JUST IF I
DIDN'T HEAR IT SO THAT SOMETHING WOULDN'T STICK
IN MY HEART.
WHO KNOWS?
YOU KNOW, FEAR, DOUBT, UNBELIEF, WHATEVER.
BUT HE BEGAN TO SPEAK LIFE,
TO LIVE AND YOU LIVE.
AND IT WAS REAL SHORT AND TO THE POINT.
AND WE WENT TO BED THAT NIGHT,
WOKE UP THE NEXT MORNING,
ALL OF A SUDDEN, I FELT FLUTTERING IN MY STOMACH.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING I KNOW,
I SEE A FOOT GO ACROSS MY STOMACH, JUST HIT ME,
YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST ALL ACROSS MY JUST MOTION
AND MOVEMENT AGAIN.
AND THEN I GOT A CALL FROM MY PHYSICIAN JUST SAYING,
OKAY, WELL, WE'LL NEED YOU TO COME IN THIS AND THAT.
AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.
AND I'M LIKE, TOO LATE.
THERE IS MOVEMENT AND I'VE SEEN HER FOOT,
AND SHE IS MOVING AGAIN.
AND I EVEN GOT A LETTER SAYING, YOU KNOW,
SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS.
WE HAVE GRIEF COUNSELING.
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
AND THEY GO INTO EXPLAINING ABOUT THE
CHROMOSOMES AND EVERYTHING AND JUST LETTING US KNOW.
SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS, BUT WE'RE HERE TO
HELP YOU FOR COUNSELING.
AND I'M LIKE, TOO LATE.
REBECCA: WHAT DID THEY -- WHAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE
WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT SHE WAS ALIVE?
HEATHER: THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
AND THEY JUST WERE LIKE, OKAY, WELL,
I GUESS COME IN.
REBECCA: WHAT YOUR OB SAY?
SHE WAS JUST, WELL, SHE'S A BELIEVER AND SHE'S LIKE,
SHE KNOWS THE LORD.
AND SO SHE JUST SAID, YES, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.
THAT SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT THAT THE LORD WOULD,
YOU KNOW, JUST BELIEVING JESUS
AND IT WAS THE BLIND FAITH.
THERE'S SOME MIRACLES,
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO PROCESS
EVERYTHING VERSUS A HEALING.
REBECCA: IT'S ALMOST LIKE INSTANTANEOUS.
HEATHER: VERSUS A HEALING JOURNEY,
IT'S A WORK OF GETTING PAST THIS NATURAL FLESH TO
BECOME FULLY PERSUADED IN YOUR HEART THAT I KNOW
WHAT I HAVE.
I KNOW WHAT BELONGS TO ME.
AND ANYTHING ELSE
LIKE WITH SICKNESS, I GOT TO A POINT THAT I GOT
INDIGNANT WITH IT BECAUSE SAYS IT'S ILLEGAL.
IT IS A VIOLATION AGAINST YOUR COVENANT WITH JESUS,
WITH WHAT HE'S ALREADY PROVIDED FOR YOU.
AND WHEN YOU GET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT
AND TRULY WITH HEALING,
IF I COULD SUM IT UP IN A WORD
WITH THE IMPOSSIBLES, WITH HAVING DOUBLE RENAL
FAILURE, GETTING A TRANSPLANT,
WHICH WAS IMPOSSIBLE, TO ALL OF IT,
IT TRULY JUST CAME DOWN TO HAVING A REVELATION.
AND TRULY, LIKE I, I HAD A JOURNEY OF READING AND
READING AND READING AND READING THE WORD AND
KNOWING IT BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS AND HEARING
HEALING TAPES TO THE POINT OF IT WAS TORMENTING TO
LISTEN TO HEALING BECAUSE I KNEW IT ALL.
BUT AT THE TIME, I WAS SEEING NOTHING CHANGE.
AND THAT'S WHEN I GOT TO THE END OF MYSELF AND I
JUST SAID, WHAT IS IT?
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
I KNOW THESE SCRIPTURES BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS.
THEY KEEP COMING TO ME EVERY DAY ON THE DAILY
SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO DIE,
GET YOUR AFFAIRS IN ORDER.
SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR HUSBAND AND KIDS.
AND I'M TIRED OF HEARING THAT.
REBECCA: SO YOU HAD THE DOUBLE KIDNEY FAILURE?
HEATHER: YEAH, I DID.
REBECCA: AND SO YOU WERE CONTENDING
FOR HOW LONG?
HEATHER: I WAS IN DIALYSIS FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
REBECCA: TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
AND YOU SAW NO CHANGE?
HEATHER: NOTHING.
REBECCA: AND SO YOU KIND OF GOT TO THAT POINT WHERE YOU SAID,
WHAT DO I --
HEATHER: WHAT DO I DO?
REBECCA: WHAT DO I DO?
HEATHER: AND WHAT IS IT, LORD?
REBECCA: AND WHAT DID YOU HEAR FROM THE LORD?
HEATHER: AND HE SAID, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE REAL
SOFTLY, SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO?
AND I SAID, WHAT?
TELL ME.
I'M STREAMING TEARS.
WHAT IS IT?
I KNOW THESE SCRIPTURES BACKWARD AND FORWARDS,
AND I KNOW I'M HEALED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PROVIDED.
AND HE SAID, GET TO KNOW ME.
REBECCA: OH.
HEATHER: HE SAID, DON'T KNOW ME TOPICALLY,
GET IN RELATIONSHIP WITH ME.
HAVE -- COME IN FELLOWSHIP WITH ME.
COME AND GET SO ENTHRALLED WITH HIM,
WITH JUST HIM AND COMMUNION AND RELATIONSHIP
THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU TURN YOUR EYES TO JESUS,
THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD GROW STRANGELY DIM
AS THE SONG SAYS.
I BECAME SO IN LOVE WITH THE LORD
THAT I DIDN'T CARE IF I LIVED OR DIED.
AND THERE WAS --
IT LITERALLY JUST OUTGREW ALL OF THE FEAR.
IT GREW OUT ALL OF THE DOUBT TO WHERE I
COMPLETELY WAS ALTERED TO ACTUALLY,
WELL, I ACTUALLY RECEIVED A HEALING AND WALKED OUT OF
THE DIALYSIS CENTER.
UNFORTUNATELY, I SPOKE TO SOME PEOPLE THINKING WE'RE
NOT TELLING ANYONE AND KIND OF IN CONFIDENCE.
BUT THEIR WORDS WERE WEIGHTY AND THEY SAID,
ARE YOU SURE?
YOU'RE GOING TO DIE.
DON'T DO THAT.
GET BACK IN THERE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS IN A FAITH JOURNEY WHERE I
LITERALLY THEN HAD LEARNED I HAD TO PUT MYSELF IN A
BUBBLE WITH RELATIONSHIPS.
I'M LIKE I'M SORRY,
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE OFFENSIVE, BUT EVERY WORD,
EVERY MINUTE, MY LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.
AND I CAN'T DO --
I'M IN MY OWN REVELATION.
I WAS WORKING OUT OF REVELATION,
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
WHERE I BECAME, I WAS IN A PLACE OF BECOMING SO FULLY
PERSUADED IN MY HEART OF TRULY REVELATORY,
NOT HEAD KNOWLEDGE, NOT BOOK KNOWLEDGE,
NOT TECH KNOWLEDGE, BUT YOU KNOW THAT RHEMA WHERE
IT JUST IT HITS YOU AND YOU KNOW,
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU MAKE THE SWITCH AND IT DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS TO YOU,
IT SLIDES OFF LIKE WATER OFF A DUCK'S BACK.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GET TO THAT POINT WHERE YOUR MIND
GETS SO IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE WORD OF GOD THAT IT
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS.
YOU KNOW, I WAS SO FULLY PERSUADED IN MY HEART IN
KNOWING AND SEEING MYSELF HEALED AND WHOLE,
EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T QUITE THERE YET.
IT CAME TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT OUTGREW IT,
TO WHERE I LITERALLY BECAME HEALED AND WHOLE.
REBECCA: SO AFTER YOU TALKED TO THOSE PEOPLE,
DID YOU GO BACK INTO THE HOSPITAL OR DID YOU JUST
BELIEVE FOR YOUR HEALING?
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT?
HEATHER: SO IF YOU LEAVE A DIALYSIS CENTER FOR MORE
THAN 2 OR 3 RUNS, YOU'RE DEAD BECAUSE YOUR LUNGS
FILL UP WITH FLUID AND YOU SUFFOCATE.
BUT I WAS TWO AND A HALF WEEKS LATER THAT
WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
SO THEN, YES, I IMMEDIATELY I WAS FLOODED
WITH I HAD NO SYMPTOMS.
MY LEVELS WERE ALL GOOD.
BUT ONCE I DID THAT, ALL, EVERYTHING CAME BACK.
MY ANKLES SWELLED UP, MY FACE SWELLED UP,
I JUST -- I WAS FULL OF WATER.
AND SO I IMMEDIATELY HAD TO GET BACK IN THERE.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE
WALKING AND THEN WALKING IT OUT AGAIN AND THEN
BECOMING VERY PROTECTIVE IN REGARDS
TO MY HEALING
AS I WAS WALKING IT OUT.
BECAUSE I NEEDED TO
PROTECT BUILDING MY OWN FAITH AND NOT LETTING
ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE I WAS SO FRAGILE.
REBECCA: SO THAT WAS THE LESSON YOU LEARNED FROM THAT
ENCOUNTER WAS TO PROTECT YOUR --
HEATHER: MY FAITH.
REBECCA: YOUR FAITH.
HEATHER: YEAH, PROTECTING FAITH AND BELIEVING GOD AND KNOWING
BECAUSE HE'S FULLY CONVINCED.
HE KNOWS.
HE KNOWS WHAT HE DID.
REBECCA: YEAH.
SO AFTER THAT YEAR, THAT'S WHEN YOU GOT
THE KIDNEY TRANSPLANT?
HEATHER: YES.
REBECCA: AND YOU'VE BEEN GOOD EVER SINCE?
HEATHER: OH, YEAH.
I MEAN, I GOTTA BE HONEST, THEY DON'T TELL YOU,
BUT YOU KIND OF GET CRAZY BECAUSE OF ALL THE MEDS
YOU'RE ON.
I WAS NOT MYSELF.
LIKE THE KIDNEY I RECEIVED WAS FROM
A VERY BIG MAN FROM GEORGIA,
WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT AT THE TIME.
SO JOE WOULD COME IN AND HE WOULD FIND ME SCREAMING
AT THE TELEVISION WATCHING UFC,4 CLASSIC NBA,
LIKE THE CLASSICS.
I MEAN, I LOVED THE OLYMPICS WITH THE DREAM TEAM,
LIKE BASKETBALL, I WAS ALL ABOUT THAT AND UFC.
AND I WAS EATING HOT WINGS AND HE'D COME IN,
I'M YELLING AT THE TEAM WITH MY HOT WINGS AND I'M LIKE,
HOT WING?
AND HE'S LIKE, WHAT IS GOING --
SO I CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS --
BUT THEY DON'T TELL YOU, YOU DO.
THEY CAN'T BECAUSE OF LEGAL REASONS.
BUT YOU DO COME OUT OF IT.
AND MOST PEOPLE, ANOTHER THING THEY DON'T TELL YOU
IS, IS I THINK ALMOST TWO YEARS IN,
I CAME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, WOW,
YOU GUYS LOOK REALLY GOOD.
I'M LIKE, THANKS.
AND LIKE KIND OF, WHAT ARE YOU GETTING AT?
WHAT?
WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT?
THAT'S AWESOME.
THANK YOU.
AND THEY SAID, NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
MOST PEOPLE WHO GO THROUGH TRANSPLANT,
ABOUT 80% END UP IN DIVORCE BECAUSE IT CHANGES
YOU SO MUCH.
AND THE --
REBECCA: WOW.
HEATHER: THE CHANGE OF TAKING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S
ORGAN AND ALL OF THE EFFECTS OF THE MEDS,
IT TAKES TIME AND THEY CAN'T GIVE YOU A TIME FRAME,
BECAUSE AGAIN, LEGAL REASONS,
THEY HOPE YOU COME OUT OF IT.
THEY HOPE YOU CHANGE.
THEY'RE JUST GLAD YOU'RE ALIVE.
SO IT'S A BIG PROCESS.
IT REALLY IS.
SO, YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS INTERESTING.
AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING WHERE YOU JUST WORK
THROUGH THE MIND AND WORK THROUGH.
REBECCA: AND SO YOU HAD TO WALK THROUGH,
EVEN AFTER GETTING YOUR KIDNEY,
YOU HAD TO ONCE AGAIN WALK WITH THE LORD.
HEATHER: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA; AND ALLOW HIM TO BRING YOU BACK.
HEATHER: YEAH.
AND JOSEPH, TOO, BECAUSE HE'S LIKE,
THIS IS NOT MY WIFE.
LIKE LORD, YOU KNOW.
REBECCA: SO THESE ARE THE TRIALS THAT
THE LORD WHEN YOU WERE BACK
WHEN YOU WERE 12 YEARS OLD AND YOU WERE IN HIS HANDS,
HE WAS SAYING, IT'S ALL GOING TO WORK OUT,
BUT HE WAS PREPARING YOU FOR THAT HARD ROAD AHEAD.
HEATHER: AND JOHN PAUL ACTUALLY PROPHESIED
TO JOSEPH ABOUT HIS WIFE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
HEATHER: AND SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO BE A PROTECTION FOR HER.
AND, BUT I'VE DESIGNED HER FOR YOU BECAUSE,
HE USED THE SAME WORDS,
BECAUSE I'VE DESIGNED YOU FOR ASSIGNMENTS.
AND SO WHEN YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'VE COME FROM,
LIKE I'VE HAD THE GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE
TO BE WITH HIM OUTSIDE OF THIS BROKE, FALLEN WORLD.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A REVELATION LIKE,
I KNOW WHERE I COME FROM
AND I KNOW I'M MEANT FOR A PURPOSE
AND I KNOW I'M DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR
THOSE TWO THINGS,
THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU CAN'T DO.
AND IT AND IT'S PURPOSE TO HELP OTHERS TO CONTINUE
AND SAY, COME ON, YOU CAN DO IT.
WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER
AND TO GET HIS LOST KIDS BACK INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO POWERFUL.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, HEATHER,
FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
AND FOR MORE INFORMATION ON YOU,
WHERE CAN PEOPLE GO?
HEATHER: JOSEPHZ.COM
REBECCA: ALL RIGHT.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO
THEREBECCA WEISS PODCAST .