REBECCA LAMB WEISS: TODAY I SAT DOWN
AND TALKED WITH ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.
WE TALKED ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
AND HOW TO STAND UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING
IN THE FACE OF GREAT OPPOSITION.
YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO CHECK THIS OUT.
REBECCA LAMB WEISS: WE'RE JUST GOING TO START TALKING
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU NEED MUCH OF AN INTRO.
I'M HERE WITH ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.
I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR.: THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME BACK.
REBECCA: I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M SO PROUD OF YOU AND,
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'M HORMONAL.
BECAUSE I JUST HAD A BABY. BUT --
RFK, JR.: CONGRATULATIONS,
BY THE WAY.
REBECCA: THANK YOU.
I HAVE THREE CHILDREN, AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF YOUR WORK,
SO MANY MOTHERS, THEIR KIDS ARE HEALTHY
BECAUSE YOU'VE HELPED INFORM PARENTS
ABOUT THE DANGERS OF VACCINES
AND JUST EVERYTHING GOING ON IN, IN BIG PHARMA, BIG FOOD.
SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
FIRST AND FOREMOST.
RFK. JR.: WELL, THANK YOU.
REBECCA: YEAH, IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE.
AND YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT
BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IT, YOU PUT A TARGET ON YOUR BACK.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WANT TO ASK YOU IS,
HOW DOES SOMEONE STAND UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING
WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FACE
GREAT OPPOSITION WHEN THEY DO IT?
RFK, JR.: WELL, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE A -- YOUR MOM
AND MARCUS WERE THE, YOU KNOW, WERE THE TEMPLATES FOR COURAGE
DURING COVID.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONLY PLATFORMS
WHERE I COULD ACTUALLY COME AND TELL THE TRUTH ON TELEVISION.
IT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY PLATFORM.
AND I WAS SPEAKING TO SUCH A LARGE AUDIENCE AND THEY,
YOU KNOW, THEY PAID A PRICE FOR THAT.
BUT THEY TOLD THE TRUTH.
AND NOW, YOU KNOW THAT I THINK THE ANSWER IS THAT,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SPIRITUAL COMMITMENT
BECAUSE THE, THE PUNISHMENT
AND THE DISINCENTIVES FOR TELLING THE TRUTH
ARE OFTEN OVERWHELMING
IF YOU ARE JUST LIVING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD.
YOU KNOW, I WAS RAISED WITH MY, I'LL TELL YOU, MY,
MY DAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ME ABOUT TWO WEEKS
BEFORE HE DIED, WHERE HE GAVE ME A BOOK,
AND IT WAS A BOOK BY CAMUS, AND IT WAS CALLEDTHE PLAGUE .
AND HE HAD ME IN HIS ROOM, HIS BEDROOM,
AND HE HANDED ME THAT BOOK AND HE SAID,
I WANT YOU TO READ THIS.
I WAS 14 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME, AND MY FATHER OFTEN
GAVE ME BOOKS TO READ OR POEMS TO READ,
AND ASKED ME TO READ IT,
BUT HE SAID IT WITH A KIND OF A SPECIAL INTENSITY.
AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER, HE WAS DEAD.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, WENT THROUGH THAT BOOK.
I READ IT A NUMBER OF TIMES IN ORDER TO KIND OF UNLOCK
THE MESSAGE OF THE LESSON
THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GIVING ME OR THAT HE INTENDED
TO GIVE ME, AND THE BOOK IS ABOUT A DOCTOR
IN A FORTIFIED CITY IN NORTHERN AFRICA
DURING AN EPIDEMIC AND THE CITY IS EMBARGOED.
SO IT'S UNDER QUARANTINE AND NOBODY CAN COME IN
AND COME OUT AND THE PLOT IS AROUND THIS DOCTOR.
AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK, HE'S IN HIS APARTMENT
FRIGHTENED TO GO OUT
BECAUSE THIS PLAGUE IS A VERY HIGH INFECTION FATALITY RATE.
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS.
NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO TREAT IT.
AND CAMUS DESCRIBES THE CONVERSATIONS
THAT THIS DOCTOR IS HAVING IN HIS OWN HEAD
ABOUT WHY SHOULD HE GO OUT?
BECAUSE HE CAN'T REALLY HELP ANYBODY.
HE DOESN'T KNOW THE TREATMENT
AND HE DOESN'T KNOW ANY PROTOCOLS.
AND HE'S HIGHLY LIKELY TO DIE HIMSELF IF HE GETS EXPOSED.
AND WHY NOT JUST WAIT THIS OUT
IN HIS APARTMENT?
AND IN THE END, HE GOES OUT AND HE DOES HIS DUTY,
WHICH IS TO MINISTER TO THE SICK AND TO COMFORT THEM,
EVEN IF HE CAN'T CURE THEM.
CAMUS, WHO WROTE THIS, WAS AN EXISTENTIALIST,
AND HE WAS IN THE TRADITION OF THE STOICS
OF ANCIENT ROME AND GREECE, AND STOICISM WAS,
THE ICONIC HERO OF THE STOICS IS SISYPHUS.
AND SISYPHUS WAS A PERSON WHO DID SOME GREAT BENEFIT
FOR HUMANITY, AND AS A RESULT,
BUT IT OFFENDED THE GODS, AND HE WAS CURSED BY THE GODS.
AND HIS SENTENCE WAS TO PUSH A BOULDER UP A HILL EVERY DAY
TO TRY TO GET IT OVER THE TOP,
AND HE WOULD ALWAYS MAKE IT ALMOST TO THE TIPPY TOP SUMMIT.
JUST BEFORE HE REACHED THERE,
THE BOULDER WOULD ALWAYS COME BACK AND CRUSH HIM
AND MANGLE HIM AND THEN IT WOULD ROLL DOWN THE HILL
AND ALL NIGHT LONG HE HAD TO WALK BACK DOWN THE HILL.
AND IN THE MORNING HE STARTED PUSHING THE BOULDER
UP THE HILL AGAIN.
AND HE WAS DOOMED TO DO THAT FOR ETERNITY.
BUT WHAT,
IN THE EYES OF MOST PEOPLE,
SISYPHUS WOULD HAVE BEEN A MISERABLE PERSON,
BECAUSE THAT'S A MISERABLE LIFE.
BUT IN THE EYES OF THE STOICS, HE WAS A HAPPY MAN
BECAUSE HE PUT HIS SHOULDER TO THE STONE.
HE HAD HIS DUTY AND HE PERFORMED IT.
AND IN DOING THAT,
HE BROUGHT SOME ORDER TO A CHAOTIC UNIVERSE.
AND THROWING HIS GAUNTLET DOWN AT THE GODS AND SAYING,
I'M GOING TO DO THIS, I'M GOING TO DO MY DUTY,
MY JOB, AND I'M GOING TO PERFORM IT TO THE BEST I CAN,
EVEN IF IT'S HOPELESS AND FRUITLESS
AND SOMEHOW THAT WILLINGNESS
TO DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO BRINGS ORDER
TO AN ABSURD UNIVERSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY FATHER BELIEVED THAT
WE SHOULD BE INDIFFERENT TO WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT ABOUT US,
THAT WE SHOULD DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING,
AND THAT WE HAD TO BE INDIFFERENT,
ULTIMATELY TO THE WORLD
AND TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STOICS BELIEVED,
AND MY FATHER WAS A STOIC, IS THAT WE SHOULD
BE INDIFFERENT TO OUR OWN DESIRES, OUR OWN PAIN,
OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVE US
IN THE MATERIAL WORLD AND THAT WE SHOULD,
OUR DUTY WAS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR FUNCTION WAS
AND TO PERFORM IT NO MATTER WHAT THE COST.
SO I GREW UP KIND OF IN THAT MILIEU, AND TO ME, YOU KNOW,
EVERY PERSON THAT I'VE ADMIRED THROUGHOUT MY LIFE
HAVE BEEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO I READ ABOUT,
HISTORICAL FIGURES, THEY'RE ALL PEOPLE,
THEY WENT THROUGH A VALLEY
OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH.
THEY WENT THROUGH PERIODS WHEN THE WORLD TURNED AGAINST THEM,
WHEN THEY WERE ABANDONED BY THEIR FRIENDS,
WHEN THEY WERE, THEY BECAME PARIAHS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND THEY PERSEVERED.
SO FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC REBUKES THAT
I, AS LONG AS I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING THE RIGHT THING,
THE PUBLIC REBUKES ARE A KIND OF GIFT
BECAUSE THEY'RE CONFIRMATORY THAT, YOU KNOW,
I'M DOING SOMETHING DIFFICULT AND THAT I SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW,
I NEED TO BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT
AND NEVER FEEL LIKE A VICTIM
AND NEVER FEEL SELF-PITY AND NEVER, YOU KNOW,
LAPSE INTO THOSE, INTO THOSE MIRES.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I'M DOING WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
I'M VERY CONFIDENT OF THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY ONLY OTHER JOB IS TO BE GRATEFUL
AND TO BE PEACEFUL.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT GRATITUDE AND THAT PEACEFULNESS,
YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, IT HELPED,
IT HELPS GROUND YOU GOING THROUGH THESE DIFFICULTIES
AND IT HELPS PROPEL YOU FORWARD?
RFK, JR.: YEAH.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, SAINT FRANCIS OF ASSISI SAID
THAT WE SHOULD TURN OUR LIVES INTO A PRAYER
AND SO THAT WE'RE IN CONSCIOUS CONTACT WITH GOD
EVERY WAKING MOMENT OF THE DAY AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW,
PRAY BY ROTE IN THE MORNING OR AT NIGHT TO,
YOU KNOW, TO TURN EVERYTHING WE DO WHEN WE'RE EATING,
WHEN WE'RE EXERCISING, WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR WORK
AND ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE PERFORMED
AS A PRAYER.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO DO THAT.
I TRY TO KEEP GOD CLOSE TO ME ALL THE TIME TO, YOU KNOW,
CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT POSTURE OF SURRENDER.
I GOT SOBER WHEN I WAS 28 YEARS OLD IN 1983,
AND I CAME IN REALLY BROKEN AND I SURRENDERED TO MY GOD
AT THAT POINT, TO A HIGHER POWER.
MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT MY INCLINATION, LIKE,
I THINK MOST OF US, IS THAT WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN, YOU KNOW,
GOD IS VERY, VERY PRESENT FOR US,
AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AND TO INVITE HIM
INTO OUR LIVES AND TO SURRENDER TO HIS WILL.
BUT THEN WHEN, YOU KNOW, LIFE STARTS GETTING GOOD AGAIN,
WHICH MY LIFE WENT FROM BEING VERY, VERY SMALL
WHEN I WAS AN ADDICT TO VERY BIG, VERY BIG, VERY QUICKLY.
AND MY INCLINATION WHEN THE CASH AND PRIZES START FLOWING IN
IS TO SAY THANK YOU, GOD, I GOT IT FROM HERE.
AND THEN TAKE THE WHEELS OF THE CAR AND DRIVE IT
OFF THE CLIFF AGAIN, AND THEN HAVE TO COME IN ON MY KNEES
AGAIN.
AND THE CHALLENGE IS, HOW DO YOU STAY
IN THAT POSTURE OF SURRENDER,
EVEN WHEN EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL IN YOUR LIFE?
AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE BECAUSE SO MUCH ABOUT OF ADDICTION
IS ABOUT ABUSE OF POWER AND SO MUCH OF THE SORT OF
THE TEMPTATIONS OF LIFE
AND THE BAD PATHS WE GO DOWN ARE ALL ABOUT FOLLOWING SELF-WILL
AND ABOUT ALL OF US ARE GIVEN,
YOU KNOW, SOME POWER IN OUR LIVES AND MAYBE GOOD LOOKS
AND MAYBE ATHLETIC ABILITY AND MAYBE WEALTH
AND MAYBE CONNECTIONS.
IT MAY BE EDUCATION, BUT DO WE MAKE THAT ASSET
SERVE A GREATER PURPOSE, WHICH IS GOD'S WILL,
OR DO WE MAKE IT THE SLAVE TO SELF-WILL?
AND, YOU KNOW, SELF-WILL IS ALWAYS THE ENEMY
AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE IS HOW DO YOU STAY IN SELF-WILL?
AND WHAT I TRY TO DO IS I TRY TO TURN MY LIFE.
I TRY TO LOOK AT EVERY DAY GOD GIVES US THIS GIFT OF TIME,
BUT HE BREAKS IT INTO MANAGEABLE UNITS CALLED DAYS.
AND EVERY DAY WE GET TO TRY AGAIN TO LIVE
A PERFECT DAY AND PERFECT SURRENDER.
AND I TRY TO GET UP IN THE MORNING AND THEN DO THE THINGS,
YOU KNOW, BREAK MY DAY DOWN INTO ABOUT 40 DIFFERENT DECISIONS,
EACH ONE THAT NOW HAS A MORAL IMPLICATION FOR ME.
OH, DO I GET UP?
YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY WHEN THE ALARM GOES OFF,
DO I MAKE MY BED?
DO I HANG UP THE TOWELS?
DO I PUT THE WATER BACK IN THE ICE TRAY
BEFORE I PUT THE ICE TRAY BACK IN THE FREEZER?
DO I PUT THE SHOPPING CART WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO
IN THE PARKING LOT?
WHEN I FIRST GOT SOBER, MY LIFE, AS I SAID,
WENT FROM BEING VERY SMALL, VERY BIG, VERY QUICKLY.
AND I WAS RUNNING ABOUT 2 OR 3 MONTHS LATER,
I WAS RUNNING THROUGH NATIONAL AIRPORT IN WASHINGTON
TO CATCH A PLANE THAT I WAS GOING TO MISS,
BUT THAT GETTING ON THAT PLANE WAS MISSION CRITICAL.
IT WAS LIKE THE APOCALYPSE WAS GOING TO HAPPEN
IF I DIDN'T GET ON THAT PLANE.
I WAS RUNNING AS FAST AS I COULD, AND AS I WAS RUNNING,
I WAS BALLING UP A LITTLE PIECE.
I PUT SOME DENTYNE GUM IN MY MOUTH,
AND I WAS BALLING UP THE WRAPPER, AND I WAS RUNNING
PAST THE GARBAGE CAN AND I THREW THE WRAPPER IN THE GARBAGE CAN
AND MADE A PERFECT ARC RIGHT INTO THE CENTER
OF THE GARBAGE CAN.
BUT AS I WAS RUNNING PAST IT, I NOTICED THAT
IT MUST HAVE HIT SOMETHING IN THERE BECAUSE IT JUMPED BACK OUT
THAT LITTLE WRAPPER AND I WAS LIKE,
WELL, THAT WAS GOD'S FAULT BECAUSE I MADE THE SHOT,
YOU KNOW?
SO THAT'S GOD'S PROBLEM THAT IT JUMPED BACK OUT
AND I CONTINUED RUNNING.
BUT THEN I GOT MAYBE 40 OR 50 OR 60 FEET DOWN THAT TERMINAL
AND IT JUST STARTED EATING AT ME.
AND I FINALLY I PUT ON THE BRAKES AND I WENT BACK
AND I PUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WRAPPER BACK IN THE GARBAGE CAN.
AS FOR ME, THAT EVEN THOUGH I DID MAKE THE PLANE,
BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION I MADE THAT DAY
WAS TO DO THAT,
BECAUSE THAT KEPT ME IN THAT POSTURE OF SURRENDER.
AND THAT IS THE CHALLENGE FOR ALL OF US.
HOW DO WE STAY, YOU KNOW, IN THAT POSTURE OF GOD'S WILL
RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, SELF-WILL?
I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE WHO SAYS AT THE, YOU KNOW,
THE DEVIL SLEEPS LATE.
AND HE SAYS, IT'S REALLY EASY TO BE A GOOD PERSON
EARLY IN THE MORNING.
AND THEN LATER ON IN THE DAY, YOU KNOW,
YOU START MAKING MISTAKES.
AND WHEN I, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING EXTREME SPORTS
IN MY LIFE.
SO I DID A LOT OF WHITEWATER KAYAKING
AND A LOT OF FIRST ASCENTS ON RIVERS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE
BEFORE.
AND ALSO BACKCOUNTRY SKIING.
AND WHEN YOU'RE DOING, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE
DOING A WHITEWATER RIVER, YOU COME TO A BIG CLASS FIVE RAPID.
YOU USUALLY CLIMB UP ON A BLUFF ABOVE THE RAPID
BEFORE YOU RUN IT, AND YOU STUDY THE WATER,
YOU STUDY THE ROCKS, THE OBSTACLES,
AND YOU MAKE A PLAN.
YOU PLAN YOUR MOVES.
AND YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE 8 OR 9 MOVES
GETTING THROUGH THAT,
THAT STRETCH OF WHITEWATER.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO CROSS RIVER FERRIES OR, YOU KNOW,
WHATEVER IT IS.
AND YOU PLAN EACH ONE OF YOUR MOVES AND YOU PLAN YOUR LINE.
IT'S CALLED YOUR LINE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET IN THE RIVER, IF YOU CAN STAY
ON THAT LINE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE SAFE.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES, YOU'LL WASH OUT
AND THEN YOU'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE RIVER.
AND TO ME, I DO MEDITATIONS EVERY DAY.
AND THE MEDITATIONS THAT I DO ARE LIKE STANDING
ON TOP OF THAT BLUFF AND WATCHING AND FIGURING OUT
WHAT MY DAY IS, YOU KNOW, DO I NEED TO HAVE
A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF MY KIDS?
AM I GOING TO MAKE THAT KID FEEL LOVED?
AM I GOING TO?
AM I GOING TO HAVE TO APPEAR IN COURT,
AND WHEN I APPEAR IN COURT, AM I GOING TO BE DOING GOD'S WILL
AND BE HONEST?
AND WHATEVER THE CAUSE THAT I'M GOING TO DO THAT,
I MAY HAVE TO WRITE,
WHATEVER IT IS I NEED TO DO THAT DAY OR GO ON A TV SHOW.
I ASKED WHO TO DO THAT AND TO KEEP GOD IN MY MIND
WHILE I DO THAT, AND GOD, IN MY INTENTIONS AND IN MY ACTIONS,
AND FOR THE STRENGTH TO DO THAT,
AND IT'S LIKE PLANTING THAT LINE FOR THE DAY.
AND THERE'S ALMOST NO TIME THAT I MAKE THAT LINE
ALL THE WAY DOWN.
BUT I MAY MAKE THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, 10 OF THE 11 MOVES,
AND THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DAY.
AND THEN THE GREAT THING IS I GET TO START AGAIN THE NEXT DAY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
FINAL QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GONE THROUGH SO MUCH IN YOUR LIFE,
YOU'VE SEEN SO MANY THINGS, BUT HOW HAS JESUS
REVEALED HIMSELF TO YOU IN YOUR LIFE?
RFK, JR.: WELL, I, LIKE I SAY, I TRY TO STAY IN CONSCIOUS CONTACT
WITH GOD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE GOD'S PRESENCE IN MY LIFE
THROUGH ALL THESE LITTLE SYNCHRONICITIES,
THESE COINCIDENCES THAT HAPPEN, THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK, MY WIFE WAS HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME,
AND I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF,
WE WERE GETTING ON A PLANE TO TAKE THE FIRST VACATION
THAT I'VE HAD IN 17 MONTHS, THE FIRST DAY OFF.
AND WE WERE GOING TO DO THREE DAYS IN MEXICO.
BUT SHE WAS A STRUGGLING WITH AN ISSUE.
AND I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, I HAVE A FRIEND
WHO'S KIND OF A HEALER AND A, YOU KNOW, A PSYCHOLOGIST.
AND I WAS THINKING, AND I HAD SAID TO HER THE DAY BEFORE,
I REALLY WANT YOU TO TALK TO THIS FRIEND OF MINE.
BUT WE WERE NOW ON A PLANE TO MEXICO, SO, YOU KNOW,
THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE.
BUT I WAS SITTING ON THAT PLANE THINKING,
I REALLY WISH SHE HAD BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO HIM BEFORE WE WENT
ON THIS TRIP.
AND AT THAT MOMENT, THE GUY WALKS ONTO THE PLANE AND SITS
AND HE AND HIS WIFE, WE WERE IN THE FIRST ROW
AND THERE WERE FOUR SEATS IN THE FIRST ROW,
AND HE AND HIS WIFE WERE IN THE OTHER TWO SEATS.
REBECCA: NO.
RFK. JR.: AND HE ENDED UP, I ENDED UP TRADING SEATS WITH HIM,
AND HE SAT NEXT TO MY WIFE DURING THAT TRIP AND, YOU KNOW,
AND REALLY SAID THE WORDS THAT SHE NEEDED TO HEAR
TO RESET HERSELF.
AND IT WAS REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
BUT THAT KIND OF SYNCHRONICITIES, YOU KNOW,
HAPPENED TO ME ALL THE TIME, IN FACT.
AND THEY'RE REALLY MIRACLES
BECAUSE THIS CHANCE OF THAT HAPPENING ARE, WHAT,
ONE IN A TRILLION.
RIGHT.
AND YET IT HAPPENED.
AND I SEE THAT KIND OF STUFF ALMOST EVERY DAY IN MY LIFE.
AND I NOW SORT OF COUNT ON IT.
AND I'M NOT SURPRISED BY IT, BUT IT'S JUST A CONFIRMATION FOR ME
THAT GOD IS IN MY LIFE
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN ABSTRACTION, THAT IT'S REAL
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO WALK
WITH ONE FOOT IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD
AND ONE FOOT IN THE MATERIAL WORLD.
THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT EASIEST ARE THE MONKS
WHO GO UP AND, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN AN ISOLATED PLACE
WHERE THE WORLD'S NOT AROUND, RIGHT.
BUT IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY WALKING THROUGH THE WORLD
AND IT'S COMING AT YOU ALL THE TIME
AND THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE LUST AND ANGER AND RESENTMENT
AND SELF-PITY AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS
ARE COMING AT YOU EVERY MOMENT OF THE DAY.
IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN YOUR BALANCE
AND YOUR FAITH, AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW,
I NEED TO STAY IN CONSCIOUS CONTACT WITH GOD
EVERY MOMENT OF MY DAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I ENDEAVORED TO DO.
I DON'T ALWAYS DO IT PERFECTLY, BUT I TRY EVERY DAY.
REBECCA: WELL, I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY.
IT'S ENCOURAGING.
AND I JUST LOVE HEARING HOW YOUR LIFE IS A TESTAMENT,
HOW GOD HAS BEEN THERE FOR YOU.
HE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE FOR YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO MANY OF US ARE PRAYING FOR YOU.
AND WE JUST WANT TO SAY KEEP GOING.
BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THE LORD'S WORK,
AND WE'RE JUST SO PROUD OF YOU HERE.
RFK, JR.: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALWAYS GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
REBECCA: THANK YOU.