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I SIT DOWN AND TALK TO
DR. MARK RUTLAND.
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ONE OF THE BEST PREACHERS I KNOW
AND ONE OF THE BEST LEADERS
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HE HELPED LEAD THREE SUCCESSFUL
TURNAROUNDS IN DIFFERENT
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UNIVERSITIES AND CHURCHES.
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AND WE TALK ABOUT THE LIFE OF
DAVID AND ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS.
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AND ALL THE INTERESTING THINGS
IN BETWEEN.
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REBECCA LAMB WEISS: HELLO.
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WELCOME BACK TO
THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST .
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I'M VERY HONORED TODAY
BECAUSE I HAVE
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THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF
THE UNIVERSITY THAT I WENT TO,
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BUT HE'S MUCH
MORE THAN THAT.
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HE IS A PREACHER, TEACHER,
FOUNDER OF GLOBAL SERVANTS,
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AND HE'S DONE MANY OTHER THINGS
IN HIS LIFETIME.
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HE'S AN AUTHOR, ALSO
A BESTSELLING AUTHOR.
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I'M TALKING ABOUT
DR. MARK RUTLAND IS HERE.
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DR. MARK RUTLAND:
HELLO, REBECCA.
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NICE TO BE WITH
YOU, AS ALWAYS.
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REBECCA: I'M REALLY EXCITED TO
BE SHARING YOU WITH MY AUDIENCE.
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AND I WOULD HAVE TO SAY,
AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THIS,
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YOU CAN ASK MY TEAM
WHO'S WATCHING OVER THERE.
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YOU ARE ONE OF MY
FAVORITE PREACHERS.
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DR. RUTLAND: WELL, YOU'RE A
WISE AND DISCERNING YOUNG WOMAN,
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REBECCA: SO I WANT PEOPLE
WHO ARE LISTENING TO THIS
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OR WATCHING THIS TO LOOK YOU UP
AND LISTEN TO YOUR TEACHING.
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HOW CAN
PEOPLE FIND YOU?
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DR. RUTLAND: YEAH.
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DRMARKRUTLAND.COM
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WOULD BE ONE WAY.
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OR THEY CAN GO TO
GLOBAL SERVANTS.
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GLOBALSERVANTS.ORG
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IS OUR, THE MINISTRY
THAT MY WIFE AND I FOUNDED.
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OUR SON IS NOW
THE PRESIDENT THERE,
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BUT THEY CAN LOOK IT UP AND
COME AND GET TO KNOW ME.
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REBECCA: WHAT DOES
GLOBAL SERVANTS DO?
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DR. RUTLAND: GLOBAL SERVANTS HAS
THREE THEATERS OF OPERATION.
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ONE IS HERE
IN THE UNITED STATES,
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THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF
CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP,
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WHICH I STILL RUN
AND YOU ATTENDED.
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AND THEN, TRAVELING, SPEAKING,
WRITING OUR BOOKS,
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THAT KIND OF THING.
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AND THEN IN THAILAND, WE
HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL GIRLS HOME
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THAT MY WIFE AND
I STARTED IN 1986.
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IT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
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FIFTEEN BUILDINGS ON
TWO CAMPUSES.
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REBECCA: WOW.
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DR. RUTLAND: WE'VE RESCUED
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF GIRLS
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FROM, THE POSSIBILITY
OF SEX TRAFFICKING.
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AND THEN IN WEST AFRICA,
WE HAVE ABOUT 70 CHURCHES
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IN FIVE COUNTRIES.
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AND THEN WE HAVE
A BIG SCHOOL
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AND WE HAVE
A SMALLER GIRLS HOME.
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ALSO IN WEST AFRICA.
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SO ALL OF THAT GHANA,
TOGO, BENIN, COTE D'IVOIRE
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AND BURKINA FASO,
ALL IN WEST AFRICA.
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REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS,
THAT IS AMAZING.
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SO FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
GO AND SUPPORT THAT,
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WHERE CAN THEY FIND THAT?
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DR. RUTLAND: GLOBAL SERVANTS
WOULD BE EXACTLY WHAT THEY,
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WHERE TO DO IT.
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AND I HOPE
THAT THEY WILL.
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GENEROUS TO DO THAT.
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REBECCA: THAT IS THE KIND OF
STUFF WE WANT TO BE SUPPORTING.
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DR. RUTLAND: THANK YOU.
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REBECCA: SO, OF COURSE, LIKE YOU
WERE MENTIONING EARLIER,
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I DO WANT TO REFERENCE
THAT, AS WELL.
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THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE
OF CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP.
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I ATTENDED THAT.
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AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY IF YOU ARE
LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP TRAINING,
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I THINK IT'S
ONE OF THE BEST.
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FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO ATTEND THAT,
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THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN LEARN FROM
AN INCREDIBLE LEADER HIMSELF.
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FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
BE A PART OF THAT, I DID THAT.
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I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
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HOW CAN PEOPLE GET
PLUGGED INTO THAT?
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DR. RUTLAND: WELL,
THANK YOU, REBECCA.
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AND YOU, YOU'RE
OUR STAR GRADUATE.
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I PUT YOUR PICTURE
ON EVERYTHING.
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YEAH.
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RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S
HAPPENED WITH THE NSCL?
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IT'S KIND OF EXPLODED.
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REBECCA: IT'S SO NEEDED.
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DR. RUTLAND: AND WE'RE REALLY
THRILLED WITH IT.
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WHAT'S HAPPENED IS NOW
IT'S BECOME SO POPULAR
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THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE AN OPEN
ONE, ORGANIZATIONS BY IT,
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AS IT WERE.
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AND I GO THERE
AND DO IT FOR THEM,
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SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE HERE
REPRESENTING AN ORGANIZATION,
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FOR EXAMPLE,
DAYSTAR COULD DO ONE.
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YOU COULD BUY
IT FOR A YEAR.
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I COME AND DO IT HERE, I'VE DONE
THEM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES,
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AUSTRALIA, ELSEWHERE,
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AND WE GO IN AND TEACH IT
FOR THAT ORGANIZATION.
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AND WHOEVER THEY BRING IN.
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REBECCA: PERFECT.
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DR. RUTLAND: SO IF ANYONE'S
INTERESTED, THEY COULD REACH OUT
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TO US
AT GLOBAL SERVANTS.
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REBECCA: I LOVE THAT.
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OKAY, SO LET'S
GET INTO THIS.
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YOU'VE WRITTEN MANY
BOOKS AT THIS POINT.
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HOW MANY HAVE YOU WRITTEN?
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DR. RUTLAND: 19.
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WELL, 19 GOT PUBLISHED.
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I'VE GOT SEVERAL IN DRAWERS
SOMEWHERE THAT NOBODY WANTED.
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REBECCA: SO 19 PUBLISHED.
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THIS IS 15, BUT I WANTED
TO HIGHLIGHT THIS BOOK
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BECAUSEDAVID THE GREAT ,
BECAUSE HE AND FOR SO MANY OTHER
PEOPLE
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IS THEIR
FAVORITE BIBLE CHARACTER,
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SO JUST START US OFF, WHAT MADE
YOU WANT TO WRITE THIS BOOK?
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DR. RUTLAND: WELL, AS YOU
JUST POINTED OUT, I AM ONE
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OF THE VAST NUMBER THAT'S
ABSOLUTELY FASCINATED
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WITH THE LIFE
OF KING DAVID.
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HE WAS, REALLY A
MULTIFACETED GENIUS,
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IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
THIS IS A MAN WHO WAS BORN
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ON THE CUSP BETWEEN
THE IRON AGE AND THE BRONZE AGE.
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SO WHEN, WHEN JESUS WAS
BORN, DAVID WAS ALREADY
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A THOUSAND YEARS
IN THE PAST.
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THINK OF THAT.
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AND YET HE TRANSCENDS NOT
ONLY MILLENNIA, BUT CULTURES.
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HE WAS
A MILITARY GENIUS.
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HE WAS A NATION FOUNDER.
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HE'S THE FOUNDER OF
THE CITY OF JERUSALEM.
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HE WAS
A CONSUMMATE POLITICIAN.
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HE WAS A MUSICIAN, AS FAR
AS WE CAN TELL, A CHILD PRODIGY.
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THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT
ANYBODY ELSE IN HIS FAMILY
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WAS MUSICAL.
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AND DAVID, WHEN HE WAS A CHILD,
HE WON THE ISRAELI VERSION
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OFTHE VOICE AND IS TAKEN TO
GIBEAH TO SING FOR THE KING.
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AND YET, HE WROTE POETRY.
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THINK ABOUT THIS.
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AN IRON AGE WARRIOR WHO
WROTE POETRY THAT IS STILL READ
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3,000 YEARS LATER,
AND IT'S PERTINENT AND RELEVANT.
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THAT'S WHAT I
WANT TO KNOW.
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WHO IS THIS GUY?
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WHO IS THIS GUY?
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AND THE MORE I RESEARCHED,
THE MORE INTRIGUING HE BECAME.
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REBECCA: SO LET'S DIVE INTO HIS
EARLY LIFE OUT IN THE PASTURES.
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YOU KNOW, MANY SAY
HE WAS OVERLOOKED.
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SPEAK TO HOW BEING A SHEPHERD
BOY PREPARED HIM FOR THE PALACE.
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DR. RUTLAND: YEAH, THAT'S A,
HIS CHILDHOOD IS ACTUALLY
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A FASCINATING THING BECAUSE
WE KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT IT.
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BUT WE ACTUALLY CAN SEE
IT WITHOUT IMPOSING.
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ONE IS RELUCTANT TO IMPOSE
TOO MANY THINGS ON THE STORY.
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BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THIS: HE
WAS THE YOUNGEST OF EIGHT BOYS.
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THE OTHER SEVEN
WERE ALL GROWN MEN
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WHEN HE WAS STILL A BOY.
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WE DON'T KNOW HOW YOUNG, BUT
TOO YOUNG TO GO INTO THE ARMY.
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SO HIS BROTHERS WERE
SUSPICIOUS OF HIM
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AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WHEN
DAVID SHOWED UP TO FIGHT
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GOLIATH, YOU REMEMBER
DAVID'S OLDER BROTHER SAID,
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I KNOW THE
NAUGHTINESS OF YOUR HEART.
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HE ALREADY KNEW THIS GUY.
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SO YOU HAVE THIS
YOUNGEST OF THE FAMILY.
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THERE IS ALWAYS AN OLDER,
YOUNGEST THING.
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THE YOUNGEST OF, THE
OLDER KIDS IN THE FAMILY
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OFTEN THINK THE YOUNGEST
IS MOLLYCODDLED,
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THEY OFTEN THINK, YOU KNOW,
YOU DIDN'T SPANK HIM AS HARD
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AS YOU SPANKED US.
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YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE HIM
MORE THAN YOU GAVE US.
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SO THERE'S ALWAYS THAT.
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AND THEN YOU HAVE
TO THINK ABOUT IT.
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HE COMES IN FROM THE
FIELD WITH THESE STORIES.
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MAYBE HE'S A
LITTLE BIT WEIRD.
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MAYBE HE'S A
PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.
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SO HE COMES IN AND SAYS,
LOOK, A BEAR CAME
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AND ATTACKED THE SHEEP TODAY
AND THEY SAID, A BEAR?
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WHAT'D YOU DO?
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HE SAID, WELL, I PUNCHED HIM
WITH MY LITTLE FIST AND HE DIED.
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REALLY. AND THEN THEY SAY,
OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT DAY?
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OH, A LION CAME AND I HIT
HIM IN THE FACE WITH MY FIST
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AND KILLED HIM.
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SO I VISUALIZE THIS MOMENT WHERE
HIS OLDER BROTHER ELIAB SAYS,
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THE NEXT TIME
YOU KILL A BIG UGLY BEAST,
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YOU CUT ITS HEAD OFF
AND THROW IT AT MY FEET,
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AND THEN
I'LL BELIEVE YOU.
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WHEN HE KILLED GOLIATH,
WHAT'S THE FIRST THING HE DID?
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CUT HIS HEAD OFF.
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I THINK HE MAY HAVE ROLLED
THAT HEAD AT THE FOOT OF ELIAB
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AND SAID,
WELL, THERE YOU GO.
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BUT THEN HIS VOICE
AND MUSIC ABILITY ARE SO FAMOUS.
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HE'S IN A SMALL
VILLAGE, IN JUDEA.
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THE KING IS AT HIS CAMP.
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HIS MILITARY CAMP IN GIBEAH,
UP IN THE TRIBE, FURTHER AWAY.
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AND SO HE SAYS, I NEED A
MINSTREL, SOMEBODY TO COME
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AND SING AT NIGHT.
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AND SOMEBODY SAYS, THERE'S
A BOY IN BETHLEHEM THAT SINGS.
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SO HIS VOICE IS
ALREADY FAMOUS AT THAT POINT,
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ENOUGH FOR HIM TO BE KNOWN
IN THE TRIBE OF BENJAMIN.
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SO HE'S A COMPLICATED KID,
EVEN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
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YOU HAVE THIS SCENE WHERE
SAMUEL COMES TO ANOINT,
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GOD TELLS SAMUEL THE PROPHET
TO GO TO BETHLEHEM,
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AND HE'S, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU
THE NEXT KING OF ISRAEL.
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SAMUEL GOES TO JESSE'S HOUSE,
AND JESSE, DAVID'S FATHER,
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AND ALL OF HIS
BROTHERS ARE THERE.
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AND ONE BY ONE BY ONE, SAMUEL
REJECTS, NOT HIM, NOT HIM.
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ELIAB, ABINADAB,
EVERY ONE OF THEM.
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AND THEN THEY
BRING DAVID IN.
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HE'S NOT HEARD ANY
OF THIS PREREQUISITE.
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HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING
THAT'S GOING ON.
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THEY JUST BRING HIM IN
OUT OF THE SHEEPFOLD.
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AND THIS OLD MAN POURS
OIL ON HIS HEAD AND SAYS,
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YOU'RE THE NEXT
KING OF ISRAEL.
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AND HE LEAVES.
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WHAT I MEAN,
THAT'S A CRAZY MOMENT.
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YOU CAN MAKE THE CASE.
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ONE CAN
MAKE THE CASE
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THAT GOD STOLE
DAVID'S CHILDHOOD.
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DAVID WAS A CHILD STAR.
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AND WE CAN TELL FROM
HOLLYWOOD, BEING A CHILD STAR
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IS A COMPLICATED AND
LIFECHANGING BUSINESS.
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SO DAVID'S CHILDHOOD, WE
DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT,
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BUT WHAT WE KNOW
IS VERY COMPLEX.
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REBECCA: AND THEN
FROM THERE,
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WE KNOW THAT DAVID
GETS BROUGHT INTO SAUL'S.
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I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WORD
TO DESCRIBE IT,
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BUT HE BEGINS TO
SERVE SAUL.
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AFTER HE'S
BEEN ANOINTED KING.
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SO HE'S ANOINTED KING AND
HE'S UNDERNEATH THE KING.
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DR. RUTLAND: IT'S A VERY
DICEY BUSINESS.
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SO SAUL DOESN'T KNOW
HE'S BEEN ANOINTED.
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THAT WAS A SECRET THING.
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WHAT SAMUEL DID AND WHAT
DAVID TOOK PART IN,
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ONE COULD MAKE THE CASE
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IT WAS TREASON.
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SO YOU CAN'T BE ANOINTED
KING WHILE THE KING LIVES.
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SO SAUL
DOESN'T KNOW ALL THAT.
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SAUL PROMISES
HIS DAUGHTER
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TO WHOEVER
KILLS GOLIATH.
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DAVID KILLS GOLIATH.
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BUT SAUL PROVES
DUPLICITOUS FROM THE BEGINNING.
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HE GIVES DAVID A DAUGHTER,
BUT NOT THE OLDEST,
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NOT THE ONE
HE SHOULD HAVE.
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HE GIVES DAVID
MICHAL,
00:10:54.333 --> 00:10:55.867
AND SHE
BECOMES HIS WIFE.
00:10:55.967 --> 00:10:59.399
SHE ACTUALLY LOVES DAVID,
BUT SHE IS A TRAGIC,
00:10:59.499 --> 00:11:01.400
SHE'S ONE OF THE TRAGIC
FIGURES OF THE BIBLE.
00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:06.666
AND DAVID THEN
BECOMES MOVES INTO UP TO GIBEAH
00:11:06.766 --> 00:11:10.866
AND BEGINS TO SERVE
IN SAUL'S ADMINISTRATION
00:11:10.966 --> 00:11:12.100
AS A MILITARY PERSON.
00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.933
AND HE'S ONE OF THESE
RADIANT FIGURES
00:11:16.033 --> 00:11:20.133
THAT THE WOMEN ALL LOVE HIM, AND
THE MEN ALL WANT TO BE LIKE HIM.
00:11:20.233 --> 00:11:22.766
AND OLDER MEN
WANT TO SERVE.
00:11:22.866 --> 00:11:27.700
HE'S A YOUNG GUY AND
HE BECOMES A MILITARY COMMANDER.
00:11:27.800 --> 00:11:30.600
AND SAUL'S JEALOUSY
AND ENVY OF HIM,
00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:33.800
HE BEGINS IMMEDIATELY TO TRY
TO GET HIM KILLED.
00:11:33.900 --> 00:11:36.633
AND SO HE SENDS HIM
ON SUICIDE MISSIONS.
00:11:36.733 --> 00:11:39.333
CRAZY THINGS; TAKE
THIS FEW LITTLE SOLDIERS
00:11:39.433 --> 00:11:43.466
AND GO CAPTURE THAT GARRISON,
THINKING IT WOULD GET HIM KILLED
00:11:43.566 --> 00:11:46.533
INSTEAD, THE CRAZIER
THE MISSIONS HE SENDS HIM ON,
00:11:46.633 --> 00:11:49.300
DAVID SUCCEEDS, AND IT MAKES
DAVID EVEN MORE FAMOUS.
00:11:49.400 --> 00:11:53.833
SAUL ACTUALLY INCREASES
HIS FAME UNTIL FINALLY
00:11:53.933 --> 00:11:57.666
SAUL, REALLY DEMONIC
BY NOW, TRIES TO KILL HIM
00:11:57.766 --> 00:12:00.433
WITH A JAVELIN, AND
DAVID HAS TO FLEE.
00:12:00.533 --> 00:12:04.366
THAT'S THE FIRST UP
AND DOWN, MAJOR UP.
00:12:04.466 --> 00:12:07.399
DAVID'S WHOLE LIFE COULD
BE SEEN AS A ROLLER COASTER.
00:12:07.499 --> 00:12:11.233
IT'S UP, DOWN, UP, DOWN,
UP, DOWN HIS WHOLE LIFE.
00:12:11.333 --> 00:12:16.899
AND DAVID IS IN A STRUGGLE FROM
THE DAY THAT SAMUEL SHOWS UP
00:12:16.999 --> 00:12:20.933
UNTO HIS DEATHBED, DAVID HAS TO
GET UP ON HIS DEATHBED
00:12:21.033 --> 00:12:23.400
AND DEAL
WITH THE COUP D' !TAT.
00:12:23.500 --> 00:12:25.099
AS HE'S DYING.
00:12:25.199 --> 00:12:29.133
HIS WHOLE LIFE IS A STRUGGLE,
AND IT'S JUST UP AND DOWN,
00:12:29.233 --> 00:12:30.466
UP AND DOWN.
00:12:30.566 --> 00:12:33.367
IT'S A, I MEAN,
IT'S A FASCINATING LIFE.
00:12:33.467 --> 00:12:34.900
REBECCA: IT IS A
FASCINATING LIFE.
00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.200
AND WHAT'S SO INTERESTING
IS THERE IS THAT BOOK
00:12:37.300 --> 00:12:39.133
THAT'S CALLED
A TALE OF THREE KINGS ,
00:12:39.233 --> 00:12:42.833
AND IT TALKS ABOUT LEADERSHIP
AND SO MANY PEOPLE LEARN THAT
00:12:42.933 --> 00:12:44.667
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE
A LEADER LIKE SAUL.
00:12:44.767 --> 00:12:47.167
THEY WANT TO BE A
LEADER LIKE DAVID.
00:12:47.267 --> 00:12:49.933
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
IS SO PROFOUND ABOUT DAVID
00:12:50.033 --> 00:12:52.133
IS EVEN THOUGH HE WAS
ANOINTED KING,
00:12:52.233 --> 00:12:54.900
HE NEVER TRIES TO USURP
SAUL'S AUTHORITY.
00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.566
EVEN THOUGH SAUL COULD BE EASILY
ARGUED AS NOT A GOOD RULER.
00:12:58.666 --> 00:13:00.966
AND KIND OF, I MEAN, TO
THE POINT, LIKE YOU SAID,
00:13:01.066 --> 00:13:03.400
IN A DEMONIC
RAGE OF JEALOUSY
00:13:03.500 --> 00:13:08.199
AND YET DAVID KNEW
NOT TO TAKE OUT SAUL.
00:13:08.299 --> 00:13:09.867
WHY IS THAT?
00:13:09.967 --> 00:13:11.233
DR. RUTLAND: IT'S
A VERY GOOD POINT.
00:13:11.333 --> 00:13:18.366
DAVID HAD THIS HUGE SENSE OF THE
SOVEREIGNTY AND PRIORITY OF GOD.
00:13:18.466 --> 00:13:24.066
GOD DECIDES. AND DAVID,
THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD
00:13:24.166 --> 00:13:26.367
ON DAVID'S OWN LIFE
WAS SO HUGE,
00:13:26.467 --> 00:13:28.833
HE ACCEPTED AND RESPECTED
THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD
00:13:28.933 --> 00:13:30.300
ON SAUL'S LIFE.
00:13:30.400 --> 00:13:31.866
SO HE SAID, I'M NOT,
00:13:31.966 --> 00:13:33.500
I'M NOT REMOVING HIM.
00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.233
HE HAD TWO CHANCES, YOU KNOW, TO
KILL HIM IN THE WILDERNESS.
00:13:37.333 --> 00:13:38.300
AND HE LET GO.
00:13:38.400 --> 00:13:40.066
BOTH OF THEM GO.
00:13:40.166 --> 00:13:43.866
SO IT WAS NOT
THE ISSUE OF SAUL.
00:13:43.966 --> 00:13:45.600
THE ISSUE IS GOD.
00:13:45.700 --> 00:13:48.833
DAVID SAYS, I WILL NOT DO
WHAT IS GOD'S DECISION.
00:13:48.933 --> 00:13:50.566
I WON'T TAKE GOD'S,
00:13:50.666 --> 00:13:52.500
I WON'T TAKE GOD'S PART.
00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:53.866
LET GOD DECIDE.
00:13:53.966 --> 00:13:56.199
SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING
FOR ANYBODY INVOLVED
00:13:56.299 --> 00:13:58.699
IN A BUSINESS OR MINISTRY
OR ANYTHING ELSE.
00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:00.967
LET GOD DEAL
WITH THE LEADERSHIP.
00:14:01.067 --> 00:14:02.666
THAT'S NOT FOR YOU.
00:14:02.766 --> 00:14:05.366
REBECCA: AND I THINK THAT'S SUCH
AN IMPORTANT WORD FOR, YOU KNOW,
00:14:05.466 --> 00:14:09.599
I THINK ABOUT MY GENERATION
AND THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS
00:14:09.699 --> 00:14:10.700
BECAUSE I
THINK PEOPLE THINK
00:14:10.800 --> 00:14:13.199
IT'S THEIR JOB
TO UNCOVER LEADERSHIP
00:14:13.299 --> 00:14:14.699
OR TRY TO
DEAL WITH SOMEONE.
00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:16.333
AND THE TRUTH
OF THE MATTER IS,
00:14:16.433 --> 00:14:18.233
IS THAT GOD HAS
PLACED THEM OVER YOU.
00:14:18.333 --> 00:14:19.000
YOU'RE UNDER THEM.
00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:20.200
YOU'RE NOT ABOVE THEM.
00:14:20.300 --> 00:14:25.267
AND IF YOU TRY TO GET COME
IN AND TRY TO TAKE THEM OUT,
00:14:25.367 --> 00:14:26.233
THAT'S NOT HONORING.
00:14:26.333 --> 00:14:28.099
AND THAT'S NOT HOW
GOD'S KINGDOM WORKS.
00:14:28.199 --> 00:14:30.033
AND I DON'T WANT
TO JUMP WAY AHEAD.
00:14:30.133 --> 00:14:32.433
BUT WE SEE THAT WITH
ABSALOM, DAVID'S SON,
00:14:32.533 --> 00:14:34.433
IRONICALLY,
WHO DOES TRY.
00:14:34.533 --> 00:14:37.166
DR. RUTLAND: TWO SONS.
ABSALOM AND ADONIJAH.
00:14:37.233 --> 00:14:38.467
REBECCA: OH, I DIDN'T
KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE.
00:14:38.567 --> 00:14:42.466
DR. RUTLAND: YEAH, TWO SONS
TRY TO USURP DAVID'S AUTHORITY.
00:14:42.566 --> 00:14:44.000
YEAH,
YOU'RE RIGHT, DAVID.
00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:48.733
NOW, TO A YOUNGER LEADER
SERVING AN UNWORTHY LEADER,
00:14:48.833 --> 00:14:49.900
I WOULD SAY THIS.
00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.300
YOU ALWAYS HAVE
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:55.699
YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY IN
AND SERVE SOMEONE WHO'S UNWORTHY
00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:56.900
OR INVOLVED
IN SOMETHING.
00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:58.733
YOU SENSE SOMETHING'S
HAPPENING HERE.
00:14:58.833 --> 00:15:00.633
YOU SHOULDN'T BE
APART OF. LEAVE.
00:15:00.733 --> 00:15:03.067
YOU JUST DON'T GET TO ROLL
A HAND GRENADE IN THE DOOR
00:15:03.167 --> 00:15:04.266
AS YOU GO OUT.
00:15:04.366 --> 00:15:06.533
YOU JUST YOU HAVE TO
SERVE LIKE A CHRISTIAN.
00:15:06.633 --> 00:15:08.499
LEAVE LIKE A CHRISTIAN.
00:15:08.599 --> 00:15:09.700
WHEN DO YOU LEAVE?
00:15:09.800 --> 00:15:14.000
WELL, A GOOD CLUE IS WHEN
YOUR BOSS TRIES TO KILL YOU
00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:14.900
WITH A SPEAR.
00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:17.867
THAT'S A GOOD
MOMENT RIGHT THERE.
00:15:17.967 --> 00:15:19.033
SO DAVID LEAVES.
00:15:19.133 --> 00:15:23.033
HE FLEES, AND NOW HE'S
GONE FROM HIS FATHER'S HOUSE
00:15:23.133 --> 00:15:27.366
TO THE KING'S HOUSEHOLD TO
BEING ALONE IN THE DESERT.
00:15:27.466 --> 00:15:29.167
HE IS ABSOLUTELY ALONE.
00:15:29.267 --> 00:15:32.366
NOTHING. SAUL EVEN
TAKES HIS WIFE, MICHAL,
00:15:32.466 --> 00:15:36.667
AND GIVES HER TO ANOTHER MAN,
A MAN NAMED SHEALTIEL.
00:15:36.767 --> 00:15:38.167
AND SO DAVID HAS
LOST HIS WIFE.
00:15:38.267 --> 00:15:39.633
HE'S LOST HIS HOME.
00:15:39.733 --> 00:15:40.433
HE'S LOST.
00:15:40.533 --> 00:15:41.699
HE CAN'T GO BACK
TO BETHLEHEM.
00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:43.900
THE COPS ARE
WATCHING HIS HOUSE.
00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:45.866
THEY'VE
STAKED THE PLACE OUT
00:15:45.966 --> 00:15:46.966
REBECCA: BECAUSE SAUL
WANTS HIM DEAD.
00:15:47.066 --> 00:15:47.867
DR. RUTLAND: YES.
00:15:47.967 --> 00:15:49.066
REBECCA: SAUL IS GOING
TO KILL HIM.
00:15:49.166 --> 00:15:51.900
SO DAVID MOVES INTO
THE JUDEAN WILDERNESS,
00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.166
AND HE BASICALLY JUST
BECOMES A SOLITARY FIGURE
00:15:55.266 --> 00:15:59.666
LIVING IN THE CAVE OF ADULLAM
IN THE JUDEAN WILDERNESS.
00:15:59.766 --> 00:16:02.133
BUT PEOPLE BEGIN TO,
THEY FIND OUT ABOUT IT.
00:16:02.233 --> 00:16:03.933
SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY,
I HEARD DAVID'S ALIVE,
00:16:04.033 --> 00:16:08.366
AND MEN GO OUT TO SERVE HIM,
BUT THEY'RE NOT THE CREAM
00:16:08.466 --> 00:16:09.967
OF THE CROP.
00:16:10.067 --> 00:16:11.867
THE BIBLE MAKES IT
PERFECTLY CLEAR
00:16:11.967 --> 00:16:14.166
THEY'RE GUYS WHO WON'T PAY
THEIR CHILD SUPPORT.
00:16:14.266 --> 00:16:16.833
THEY GOT A BENCH
WARRANT OUT FOR THEM.
00:16:16.933 --> 00:16:20.333
THEY'RE SOME
ROUGH, ROUGH GUYS.
00:16:20.433 --> 00:16:21.566
AND THEY GO OUT.
00:16:21.666 --> 00:16:26.033
DAVID FORMS THEM INTO
A 600-MAN LIGHT CAVALRY UNIT
00:16:26.133 --> 00:16:27.366
CALLED THE GIBOR.
00:16:27.466 --> 00:16:29.533
AND GIBOR IN HEBREW
MEANS "MIGHTY".
00:16:29.633 --> 00:16:32.633
SO ANY WORD THAT ENDS IN
-IM JUST MEANS PLURAL.
00:16:32.733 --> 00:16:36.467
SO THE MIGHTY ONES. AND
DAVID TRAINS THEM HIMSELF
00:16:36.567 --> 00:16:38.466
IN A UNIQUE WAY.
00:16:38.566 --> 00:16:40.967
HE TRAINS THEM TO BE
ENTIRELY AMBIDEXTROUS.
00:16:41.067 --> 00:16:43.499
NOW THAT IF YOU
CARRYING AN AK-47,
00:16:43.599 --> 00:16:44.967
THAT DOESN'T
MEAN ANYTHING.
00:16:45.067 --> 00:16:47.999
BUT IF YOU'RE FIGHTING WITH
A SWORD AND YOU'RE RIGHT-HANDED,
00:16:48.099 --> 00:16:51.399
SOMEBODY CUTS YOUR ARM,
THEN YOU'RE DONE FOR.
00:16:51.499 --> 00:16:53.333
BUT DAVID'S MEN
WOULD DRAW SWORD.
00:16:53.433 --> 00:16:56.099
THEY COULD KILL YOU WITH
THEIR LEFT HAND.
00:16:56.199 --> 00:17:00.433
SO THEY BECOME THE MOST
LETHAL MILITARY UNIT.
00:17:00.533 --> 00:17:03.633
MILITIA UNIT IN THE SOUTH
OF ISRAEL, IN THE ARABA.
00:17:03.733 --> 00:17:05.067
AND DAVID TRAINS THEM.
00:17:05.167 --> 00:17:06.333
AND NOW,
00:17:06.433 --> 00:17:12.900
SO HE'S GONE FROM SHEPHERD BOY,
GENERAL, THIEF, GENERAL.
00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:13.767
REBECCA: THE UP AND DOWN.
00:17:13.867 --> 00:17:15.000
IT'S THE
ROLLER COASTER.
00:17:15.100 --> 00:17:17.700
DR. RUTLAND: THIS IS THE ROLLER
COASTER OF DAVID'S LIFE.
00:17:17.800 --> 00:17:22.300
AND NOW DAVID TAKES
THAT 600-UNIT CAVALRY,
00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.699
600-MAN CAVALRY UNIT,
AND HE GOES TO GATH.
00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.033
DOES THAT NAME RING A
FAMILIAR BELL TO YOU?
00:17:30.133 --> 00:17:34.733
THE MOST FAMOUS PERSON
EVER BORN IN GATH IS GOLIATH.
00:17:34.833 --> 00:17:36.100
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.700
DR. RUTLAND: SO DAVID TAKES HIS
CAVALRY AND GOES TO THE PLACE
00:17:39.800 --> 00:17:42.800
WHERE GOLIATH WAS
BORN, WHOM HE KILLED
00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:45.100
AND CUT HIS HEAD OFF.
00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.333
AND HE BASICALLY
SELLS HIS SWORD.
00:17:49.433 --> 00:17:54.433
HE AND HIS CAVALRY
BECOME MERCENARIES.
00:17:54.533 --> 00:17:56.467
MERCENARIES FOR
THE PHILISTINES.
00:17:56.567 --> 00:17:59.600
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:03.566
DR. RUTLAND: SO THE KING ACHISH
OF THE PHILISTINES
00:18:03.666 --> 00:18:05.766
WANTS TO KEEP DAVID
UNDER HIS CONTROL.
00:18:05.866 --> 00:18:10.667
AND HE FIGURES THE WAY TO DO IT
IS GET DAVID TO RUIN HIS NAME
00:18:10.767 --> 00:18:12.033
WITH THE JEWS.
00:18:12.133 --> 00:18:15.833
SO HE SENDS DAVID
TO RAID IN ISRAEL.
00:18:15.933 --> 00:18:17.566
AND IF DAVID
WILL DO THAT,
00:18:17.666 --> 00:18:18.933
THEN THE PEOPLE IN ISRAEL
WILL HATE HIM.
00:18:19.033 --> 00:18:21.999
AND DAVID COULD NEVER GO HOME,
AND HE'LL HAVE HIM FOR LIFE.
00:18:22.099 --> 00:18:25.200
SO DAVID TRICKS HIM, HE
GOES NORTH OUT OF GATH,
00:18:25.300 --> 00:18:29.433
CIRCLES AROUND SOUTH, DOWN
INTO THE VERY FAR SOUTH,
00:18:29.533 --> 00:18:32.400
AND HE RAIDS
AMALEKITE VILLAGES.
00:18:32.500 --> 00:18:34.566
REBECCA: THE ANCIENT WERE
AN ENEMY OF ISRAEL.
00:18:34.666 --> 00:18:35.567
DR. RUTLAND: ENEMY OF ISRAEL.
00:18:35.667 --> 00:18:37.533
AND REMEMBER
THERE'S NO SATELLITE PHOTOS.
00:18:37.633 --> 00:18:38.933
NOBODY KNOWS.
00:18:39.033 --> 00:18:41.766
AND FRANKLY HE
KILLS EVERYBODY.
00:18:41.866 --> 00:18:43.233
SO THERE'S NO WITNESSES.
00:18:43.333 --> 00:18:45.833
HE LOOTS THE VILLAGE,
COMES BACK UP THROUGH ISRAEL,
00:18:45.933 --> 00:18:48.666
COMES BACK,
COMES TO ACHISH.
00:18:48.766 --> 00:18:51.799
HERE, I DESTROYED THE VILLAGE
AND HERE'S THE STUFF
00:18:51.899 --> 00:18:53.399
AND SHARES THE LOOT
WITH ACHISH.
00:18:53.499 --> 00:18:54.800
SO ACHISH THINKS
HE'S GOT IT.
00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:57.067
BUT DAVID HAS
NEVER KILLED A JEW.
00:18:57.167 --> 00:18:58.333
REBECCA: WOW.
00:18:58.433 --> 00:19:02.699
DR. RUTLAND: AND SO NOW ACHISH
THINKS HE'S HIS MAN.
00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.633
ACHISH GIVES
HIM A VILLAGE.
00:19:04.733 --> 00:19:06.566
HE SAYS, TAKE THIS.
00:19:06.666 --> 00:19:09.000
AND THEY GIVE HIM
THE TOWN OF ZIKLAG.
00:19:09.100 --> 00:19:11.500
AND DAVID TAKES HIS MEN
AND GO TO LIVE IN ZIKLAG.
00:19:11.600 --> 00:19:15.333
SO NOW IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S
SETTLED, DOESN'T IT?
00:19:15.433 --> 00:19:16.333
SO NOW, GOOD.
00:19:16.433 --> 00:19:18.033
FINALLY SETTLE.
00:19:18.133 --> 00:19:19.999
FINALLY GOT MY
PLACE, RIGHT.
00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:22.867
HIS MEN ARE HAPPY.
WHILE THEY'RE GONE,
00:19:22.967 --> 00:19:25.800
THE AMALEKITES GIVE DAVID
A TASTE OF HIS OWN MEDICINE.
00:19:25.900 --> 00:19:28.600
THEY RAID ZIKLAG, BURN IT TO THE
GROUND, CAPTURE ALL THE WOMEN
00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:31.133
AND CHILDREN AND LEAVE.
00:19:31.233 --> 00:19:35.499
AND DAVID'S MEN
ARE GOING TO KILL HIM.
00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:39.266
REMEMBER, IN A CRISIS OF
LEADERSHIP, THE FIRST THING,
00:19:39.366 --> 00:19:42.900
THE FIRST EMOTIONAL IMPULSE IS
TO FIND SOMEBODY TO BLAME.
00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:44.033
REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE.
00:19:44.133 --> 00:19:45.466
DR. RUTLAND: AND SO THEY'RE
GOING TO KILL DAVID.
00:19:45.566 --> 00:19:47.366
THERE'S THIS
GREAT BIBLE VERSE.
00:19:47.466 --> 00:19:49.500
IT TELLS US EVERYTHING AND
DOESN'T TELL US ENOUGH.
00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:50.766
YOU EVER READ A VERSE LIKE THAT
WHERE YOU SAY,
00:19:50.866 --> 00:19:53.999
GOD,
A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE?
00:19:54.099 --> 00:19:57.500
IT JUST SAYS, DAVID
ENCOURAGED HIMSELF IN THE LORD.
00:19:57.600 --> 00:19:59.667
WE DON'T, HOW?
00:19:59.767 --> 00:20:00.799
THAT'S WHAT I
WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
00:20:00.899 --> 00:20:02.133
BUT WHATEVER
HE DID, HE DID.
00:20:02.233 --> 00:20:05.833
AND THEN HE SAID TO HIS MEN,
LOOK, WE CAN STILL CATCH THEM.
00:20:05.933 --> 00:20:08.167
THEY'RE BURDENED DOWN WITH
ALL THESE DEPENDENTS,
00:20:08.267 --> 00:20:08.800
WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
00:20:08.900 --> 00:20:10.333
THEY CAN'T GO FAST.
00:20:10.433 --> 00:20:11.733
WE CAN.
00:20:11.833 --> 00:20:15.033
THEY TRACK THEM DOWN AND
GET THEIR PEOPLE BACK,
00:20:15.133 --> 00:20:17.033
KILL THE AMALEKITES.
00:20:17.133 --> 00:20:21.433
MEANWHILE, THE PHILISTINES
HAVE ATTACKED SAUL.
00:20:21.533 --> 00:20:22.566
SAUL IS DEAD.
00:20:22.666 --> 00:20:28.199
JONATHAN IS DEAD, AND THE
ISRAELI ARMY IS DEFEATED.
00:20:28.299 --> 00:20:31.433
SO THE TRIBE OF JUDAH
COMES TO DAVID AND SAYS,
00:20:31.533 --> 00:20:33.333
LOOK, WE'RE BREAKING
OFF FROM ISRAEL.
00:20:33.433 --> 00:20:37.500
COME AND BE OUR KING, BECAUSE
DAVID'S FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH.
00:20:37.600 --> 00:20:41.133
SO DAVID AND HIS MEN LEAVE
ZIKLAG AND GO TO HEBRON,
00:20:41.233 --> 00:20:42.467
THE CAPITAL OF JUDAH.
00:20:42.567 --> 00:20:47.000
AND DAVID BECOMES
THE KING OF JUDAH.
00:20:47.100 --> 00:20:51.966
BUT THAT'S NOT HIS DESTINY,
THERE'S A BRIEF CIVIL WAR,
00:20:52.066 --> 00:20:53.800
AND THEN THE
OTHER TRIBES COME
00:20:53.900 --> 00:20:56.133
AND DAVID BECOMES
THE KING OF ISRAEL.
00:20:56.233 --> 00:20:58.800
UNITED KINGDOM OF ISRAEL.
00:20:58.900 --> 00:21:01.033
BUT DAVID'S VERY SMART.
00:21:01.133 --> 00:21:04.033
HE SAYS, IF I MAKE
THE CAPITAL AT HEBRON,
00:21:04.133 --> 00:21:06.900
THE OTHER TRIBES WILL SAY
HE ONLY CARES ABOUT JUDAH.
00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.100
IF HE GOES TO GIBEAH,
00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:10.999
THAT SAUL'S OLD CAPITAL,
00:21:11.099 --> 00:21:15.266
THE PEOPLE IN JUDAH WILL
SAY HE'S DESERTED US.
00:21:15.366 --> 00:21:18.166
SO DAVID GOES TO JEBUS.
00:21:18.266 --> 00:21:22.566
IT'S THE CAPITAL OF THE
JEBUSITES, AND HE CAPTURES JEBUS
00:21:22.666 --> 00:21:24.333
AND RENAMES
IT JERUSALEM.
00:21:24.433 --> 00:21:25.666
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS!
00:21:25.766 --> 00:21:29.466
DR. RUTLAND: AND DAVID MAKES THE
DECISION OUR FOREFATHERS MADE
00:21:29.566 --> 00:21:31.400
IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:34.033
THEY SAID, IF WE PUT
THE CAPITAL IN NEW YORK,
00:21:34.133 --> 00:21:35.333
NEW YORK WILL BE
THE MOST IMPORTANT.
00:21:35.433 --> 00:21:37.533
IF WE PUT IT IN VIRGINIA,
VIRGINIA WILL BE.
00:21:37.633 --> 00:21:40.133
SO THEY CARVED OUT
THE WHOLE NEW CAPITAL,
00:21:40.233 --> 00:21:41.266
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.
00:21:41.366 --> 00:21:42.967
IT'S NOT A STATE.
00:21:43.067 --> 00:21:44.533
DAVID DOES THE SAME THING.
00:21:44.633 --> 00:21:47.433
NEW CAPITAL,
NEW KING JERUSALEM.
00:21:47.533 --> 00:21:50.166
AND DAVID'S THE FOUNDER OF
JERUSALEM 3,000 YEARS AGO.
00:21:50.266 --> 00:21:52.833
REBECCA: AND SO MUCH OF WHAT HE
WAS DOING WAS SO ESSENTIAL
00:21:52.933 --> 00:21:56.467
TO WHAT, I MEAN, JESUS' COMING
MINISTRY, WHAT HE WOULD DO,
00:21:56.567 --> 00:21:58.099
I MEAN,
INTO THE FUTURE.
00:21:58.199 --> 00:22:00.233
IT'S JUST CRAZY TO THINK
HE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE
00:22:00.333 --> 00:22:02.799
THE IMPACT OF HIS
ACTIONS BACK THEN.
00:22:02.899 --> 00:22:03.700
DR. RUTLAND: OH, OF COURSE NOT.
00:22:03.800 --> 00:22:05.233
THINK ABOUT THIS NOW.
00:22:05.333 --> 00:22:06.966
AFTER MOSES,
00:22:07.066 --> 00:22:09.867
DAVID IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
FIGURE IN ISRAELI HISTORY.
00:22:09.967 --> 00:22:12.833
REMEMBER THE PEOPLE,
THE BEGGARS AND THE BLIND
00:22:12.933 --> 00:22:15.799
AND THE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS
THAT CRIED OUT TO JESUS
00:22:15.899 --> 00:22:17.433
FOR HEALING.
00:22:17.533 --> 00:22:18.700
HEAL US.
00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:22.533
JESUS, SON OF DAVID.
00:22:22.633 --> 00:22:27.200
SO A THOUSAND YEARS LATER,
THE LINE IS UNBROKEN
00:22:27.300 --> 00:22:31.533
BETWEEN DAVID AND JESUS, BOTH
BORN IN THE SAME SAMLL VILLAGE
00:22:31.633 --> 00:22:33.533
A THOUSAND YEARS APART
00:22:33.633 --> 00:22:38.800
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT
EVEN AFTER EVERYTHING,
00:22:38.900 --> 00:22:43.867
SAINT PAUL KNOWING EVERYTHING,
SAYS, AND THIS DAVID,
00:22:43.967 --> 00:22:48.866
WHOM GOD CHOSE, A MAN AFTER
HIS OWN HEART.
00:22:48.966 --> 00:22:51.566
BUT DAVID WAS NOT
EXACTLY PRISTINE, WAS HE?
00:22:51.666 --> 00:22:52.933
REBECCA: NO.
00:22:53.033 --> 00:22:54.200
SO LET'S
MOVE INTO THAT,
00:22:54.300 --> 00:22:56.699
BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY
ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS
00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:58.300
WHERE PEOPLE
CAN LEARN FROM DAVID
00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:02.033
THAT HE DID MAKE
VERY BAD DECISIONS,
00:23:02.133 --> 00:23:05.299
SOME VERY BAD DECISIONS,
OR FELL VERY GREAT.
00:23:05.399 --> 00:23:06.533
DR. RUTLAND: YES.
00:23:06.633 --> 00:23:11.233
REBECCA: SO HOW DOES ONE REPENT
AFTER MESSING UP SO BIG?
00:23:11.299 --> 00:23:15.533
AND HOW DOES SOMEONE EVEN
AFTER, SO GOD SEES HIM AS A MAN
00:23:15.633 --> 00:23:17.200
AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART?
00:23:17.300 --> 00:23:18.599
DR. RUTLAND: IT WAS
ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE THINGS
00:23:18.699 --> 00:23:20.433
I WANTED TO KNOW
IN THE BOOK.
00:23:20.533 --> 00:23:23.867
THAT'S ACTUALLY
WHAT I WAS AFTER.
00:23:23.967 --> 00:23:26.100
BECAUSE SAUL CALLS,
00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.233
I MEAN, SAMUEL THE PROPHET
CALLS DAVID A MAN
00:23:28.333 --> 00:23:30.933
AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART, BUT HE
DOESN'T KNOW ALL THE STUFF
00:23:31.033 --> 00:23:32.800
DAVID'S GOING TO DO.
00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:35.233
BUT A THOUSAND YEARS
LATER, SAINT PAUL KNOWS
00:23:35.333 --> 00:23:37.933
THE LIFE OF DAVID AND
STILL CALLS HIM A MAN
00:23:38.033 --> 00:23:40.267
AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART.
00:23:40.367 --> 00:23:42.566
I MEAN, THERE WERE SOME
MINOR ISSUES IN DAVID'S LIFE.
00:23:42.666 --> 00:23:44.000
MURDER.
00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:45.999
ADULTERY.
00:23:46.099 --> 00:23:47.266
SO I WANTED
TO KNOW WHAT,
00:23:47.366 --> 00:23:49.400
WHAT'S THIS ABOUT?
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:52.567
SO IT'S COMPLICATED.
00:23:52.667 --> 00:23:56.666
ONE IS, YOU CAN LOOK AT
PSALM 51, WHICH DAVID WROTE.
00:23:56.766 --> 00:24:02.300
PSALM 51 IS HIS ACKNOWLEDGMENT
OF THE AFFAIR WITH BATHSHEBA.
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:06.533
HE WROTE IT PUBLICLY,
GAVE IT OUT.
00:24:06.633 --> 00:24:09.133
IT'S CLEARLY
WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
00:24:09.233 --> 00:24:14.200
AND IN, WATCH WHAT HE DOES,
BATHSHEBA IS NOT MENTIONED.
00:24:14.300 --> 00:24:15.633
REBECCA: OH, THAT'S
A GOOD POINT.
00:24:15.733 --> 00:24:17.066
DR. RUTLAND: THERE'S NO PLACE
IN THE THING WHERE HE SAYS,
00:24:17.166 --> 00:24:19.233
OH, LORD, I KNOW I'VE SINNED,
BUT THIS WOMAN,
00:24:19.333 --> 00:24:22.600
IF SHE'D HAVE KEPT HER CLOTHES
ON, WE'D HAVE BEEN ALL RIGHT.
00:24:22.700 --> 00:24:24.633
URIAH THE HITTITE,
IF HE'D HAVE STAYED HOME
00:24:24.733 --> 00:24:26.567
AND TAKEN CARE
OF HIS WIFE, THIS WOULDN'T --
00:24:26.667 --> 00:24:27.800
HE DOESN'T MENTION.
00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:29.066
AGAINST THEE,
00:24:29.166 --> 00:24:30.667
AND THEE ONLY HAVE I SINNED
AND DONE THIS WHICH IS EVIL
00:24:30.767 --> 00:24:32.167
IN THY SIGHT.
00:24:32.267 --> 00:24:35.533
DAVID TAKES
PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY,
00:24:35.633 --> 00:24:38.466
BUT THEN HE MOVES INTO AN
ABSOLUTELY NEW TESTAMENT FRAME
00:24:38.566 --> 00:24:40.299
OF, LISTEN
TO WHAT HE SAYS.
00:24:40.399 --> 00:24:43.267
PURGE ME WITH HYSSOP,
AND I SHALL BE CLEAN.
00:24:43.367 --> 00:24:45.233
WASH ME, AND I SHALL
BE WHITER THAN SNOW.
00:24:45.333 --> 00:24:47.933
THAT'S NEW TESTAMENT.
00:24:48.033 --> 00:24:51.133
THAT'S A THOUSAND YEARS
BEFORE THE CROSS.
00:24:51.233 --> 00:24:54.266
DAVID IS SAYING,
TAKE THE HYSSOP BUSH,
00:24:54.366 --> 00:24:57.366
DIP IT IN THE BLOOD, SPRINKLE
ME WITH IT AND MAKE ME CLEAN.
00:24:57.466 --> 00:25:00.967
HE IS PLEADING
THE BLOOD AS A PROPHET
00:25:01.067 --> 00:25:05.933
A THOUSAND YEARS
BEFORE JESUS IS CRUCIFIED.
00:25:06.033 --> 00:25:11.866
SO CONFESSION, REPENTANCE, FAITH
IN THE BLOOD, ALL OF THOSE.
00:25:11.966 --> 00:25:14.567
BUT THERE'S STILL
SOMETHING ELSE.
00:25:14.667 --> 00:25:18.700
IT'S THE MOMENTUM
OF DAVID'S LIFE.
00:25:18.800 --> 00:25:21.333
THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE.
00:25:21.433 --> 00:25:22.466
WATCH THESE.
00:25:22.566 --> 00:25:26.033
ARE YOU A COLLEGE OR
PRO FOOTBALL FAN AT ALL?
00:25:26.133 --> 00:25:28.899
REBECCA: I AM, I'M A GEORGIA
BULLDOG FAN BECAUSE OF MY DAD.
00:25:28.999 --> 00:25:31.466
DR. RUTLAND: LOOK AT YOU,
LOOK AT YOU.
00:25:31.566 --> 00:25:34.000
WELL, YOU WATCH THESE
BIG COLLEGE RUNNING BACKS
00:25:34.100 --> 00:25:35.299
OR PRO RUNNING BACKS.
00:25:35.399 --> 00:25:37.800
YOU CAN BRING THEM
DOWN, YOU CAN STOP.
00:25:37.900 --> 00:25:39.633
THEY CAN BE TACKLED,
BUT THEY CAN FALL
00:25:39.733 --> 00:25:42.266
FOR THREE-AND-A-HALF YARDS.
00:25:42.366 --> 00:25:45.767
BECAUSE THEY'RE
FOCUSED ON THAT GOAL LINE.
00:25:45.867 --> 00:25:48.766
THEY GET UP AND GO AGAIN AND
GET UP AND GO AGAIN AND GET UP.
00:25:48.866 --> 00:25:49.733
AND THEY'RE GOING
FOR THAT GOAL LINE.
00:25:49.833 --> 00:25:52.200
THAT'S WHAT
I SEE IN DAVID.
00:25:52.300 --> 00:25:54.933
YES, DAVID FALLS, BUT
HE FALLS FORWARD.
00:25:55.033 --> 00:25:55.833
HE RISES AGAIN.
00:25:55.933 --> 00:25:56.599
HE GETS GOING.
00:25:56.699 --> 00:25:59.667
HIS MIND IS
ON THE FOCUS.
00:25:59.767 --> 00:26:03.333
LISTEN TO HOW HE, IN PSALM 23,
AND I SHALL DWELL
00:26:03.433 --> 00:26:05.666
IN THE HOUSE OF
THE LORD FOREVER.
00:26:05.766 --> 00:26:09.833
SO HE'S THINKING ABOUT
HEAVEN THE WHOLE TIME.
00:26:09.933 --> 00:26:10.467
YES, HE GETS DISTRACTED.
00:26:10.567 --> 00:26:11.567
YES, HE COMMITS SIN.
00:26:11.667 --> 00:26:12.867
YES, THESE THINGS
ARE WRONG.
00:26:12.967 --> 00:26:14.999
THERE'S NO
EQUIVALENCY HERE.
00:26:15.099 --> 00:26:16.100
IT'S WRONG.
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.233
IT'S JUST WRONG.
00:26:18.333 --> 00:26:22.833
BUT DAVID RISES FROM THAT
AND FINDS REDEMPTION IN GOD
00:26:22.933 --> 00:26:26.167
AND GETS HIS MIND
BACK ON THE FOCUS.
00:26:26.267 --> 00:26:29.400
DAVID IS A MAN AFTER, YOU
MIGHT SAY, WHAT IF I SAID
00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:32.733
HE WAS A MAN IN PURSUIT
OF THE HEART OF GOD?
00:26:32.833 --> 00:26:37.666
AFTER MAKES US THINK
LIKE THE HEART OF GOD.
00:26:37.766 --> 00:26:39.767
BUT WHAT IF YOU
TAKE OUT THE WORD AFTER
00:26:39.867 --> 00:26:42.666
AND INSERT THE PHRASE
IN PURSUIT OF?
00:26:42.766 --> 00:26:45.867
HE'S A MAN IN PURSUIT
OF THE HEART OF GOD.
00:26:45.967 --> 00:26:47.633
THAT'S WHAT I
BELIEVE ABOUT DAVID.
00:26:47.733 --> 00:26:50.733
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD, I KNOW
WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.
00:26:50.833 --> 00:26:53.567
IS THERE ANY FINAL REMARKS
YOU WANT TO MAKE ABOUT DAVID
00:26:53.667 --> 00:26:55.800
BEFORE WRAPPING UP
THIS INTERVIEW?
00:26:55.900 --> 00:26:59.600
DR. RUTLAND: WELL, ONE THING,
DAVID, THE DAVID HIMSELF
00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:02.600
AND THE BOOK, BY THE WAY, THE
BOOK HAS BEEN A HUGE SELLER
00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:05.833
BECAUSE WE TAPPED INTO
A READING AUDIENCE
00:27:05.933 --> 00:27:08.466
THAT'S HARD TO REACH
WITH CHRISTIAN BOOKS.
00:27:08.566 --> 00:27:11.666
MOST CHRISTIAN BOOKS ARE
BOUGHT BY WOMEN, UNFORTUNATELY.
00:27:11.766 --> 00:27:14.933
BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU
THINK, SOME MEN CAN READ
00:27:15.033 --> 00:27:17.566
AND WE STARTED TO PUT
PICTURES IN THIS ONE.
00:27:17.666 --> 00:27:22.000
WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD
HELP, BUT MEN READ IT
00:27:22.100 --> 00:27:24.833
BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY,
THIS IS A GUY YOU WANT TO
00:27:24.933 --> 00:27:27.533
TAKE DEER HUNTING
WITH YOU.
00:27:27.633 --> 00:27:29.766
ONE LADY BOUGHT
360 COPIES.
00:27:29.866 --> 00:27:31.233
I SAID, I'M FINE, MA'AM.
00:27:31.333 --> 00:27:33.167
I'LL SELL YOU 100,000.
00:27:33.267 --> 00:27:34.333
BUT WHY?
00:27:34.433 --> 00:27:36.999
SHE SAID, MY SON IS A
MASTER SERGEANT IN THE ARMY,
00:27:37.099 --> 00:27:39.367
AND HE WANTS TO
GIVE THEM OUT TO TROOPS.
00:27:39.467 --> 00:27:41.200
ONE GUY BOUGHT HIM FOR
ALL THE COPS IN HIS TOWN.
00:27:41.300 --> 00:27:43.500
ALL THE CITY POLICE.
00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:49.199
SO THERE IS SOMETHING
ABOUT THIS GUY THAT STILL,
00:27:49.299 --> 00:27:52.333
3,000 YEARS AFTER HIS
DEATH, MEN STILL WANT TO
00:27:52.433 --> 00:27:54.233
BE IN DAVID'S UNIT.
00:27:54.333 --> 00:27:55.600
THEY STILL WANT TO.
00:27:55.700 --> 00:27:58.733
EVERYBODY'S DIVIDING UP TO SEE
WHO'S GOING TO TAKE THIS TROOP,
00:27:58.833 --> 00:27:59.900
WHO'S GOING TO
TAKE THAT ONE.
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.767
AND EVERYBODY SAYS,
I RIDE WITH DAVID
00:28:02.867 --> 00:28:06.099
AND BECAUSE HE JUST HAS THIS
3,000 YEARS.
00:28:06.199 --> 00:28:10.733
THINK WHAT THAT'S
THREE MILLENNIA LATER.
00:28:10.833 --> 00:28:13.266
MEN ARE STILL
DRAWN TO DAVID.
00:28:13.366 --> 00:28:14.399
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
00:28:14.499 --> 00:28:16.967
FINAL WORD.
00:28:17.067 --> 00:28:18.467
CAN YOU JUST GIVE
A WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT
00:28:18.567 --> 00:28:21.633
FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE LISTENING?
00:28:21.733 --> 00:28:23.499
DR. RUTLAND: THE GREATEST WORD
OF ENCOURAGEMENT I CAN GIVE
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.933
IS THIS: IF THERE IS ONE
GREAT STRENGTH IN DAVID,
00:28:28.033 --> 00:28:29.900
HE NEVER GAVE UP.
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.600
HE NEVER QUIT.
00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:33.333
HE JUST GOT UP AGAIN.
00:28:33.433 --> 00:28:36.267
HE GOT UP AGAIN AND
AGAIN AND AGAIN.
00:28:36.367 --> 00:28:40.100
HE KEPT REINVENTING HIMSELF
AND HE LIVED A FLEXIBLE,
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.366
CREATIVE LIFE, IRRESPECTIVE OF
THE CIRCUMSTANCES
00:28:44.466 --> 00:28:46.400
IN WHICH
HE FOUND HIMSELF OFTEN,
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:47.800
SOMETIMES
BECAUSE OF HIS SINS,
00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:50.699
BUT OFTEN BECAUSE OF
THE SINS OF OTHERS.
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.333
SO NO MATTER
WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH,
00:28:53.433 --> 00:28:55.333
EXPERIENCE
THE GRACE OF GOD.
00:28:55.433 --> 00:28:58.466
GET UP OFF OF THE MAT,
PUT YOUR GLOVES ON AGAIN,
00:28:58.566 --> 00:29:00.666
AND WADE BACK IN.
00:29:00.766 --> 00:29:02.133
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
00:29:02.233 --> 00:29:03.600
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.
00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:07.633
THE BOOK ISDAVID THE GREAT .
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED,
00:29:07.733 --> 00:29:09.500
WHERE CAN THEY GET THIS?
00:29:09.600 --> 00:29:10.367
DR. RUTLAND: WELL, ANYWHERE
THEY BUY BOOKS, OF COURSE,
00:29:10.467 --> 00:29:11.599
AMAZON
OR ANYTHING ELSE.
00:29:11.699 --> 00:29:14.333
BUT THE EASIEST PLACE
IS DRMARKRUTLAND.COM.
00:29:14.433 --> 00:29:15.333
REBECCA: AWESOME.
00:29:15.433 --> 00:29:17.467
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.
00:29:17.567 --> 00:29:19.500
AND THAT'S ALL FOR TODAY.
00:29:19.600 --> 00:29:21.833
SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON
THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST .