WEBVTT 00:00:01.100 --> 00:00:04.100 GENZ REVIVALIST, ROSS JOHNSTON STOPS BY AND SHARES HIS 00:00:04.167 --> 00:00:05.333 SALVATION STORY 00:00:05.433 --> 00:00:08.300 HE WAS BORN THROUGH ARIFICIAL INSEMENATION INTO A FAMILY OF 00:00:08.367 --> 00:00:11.034 TWO MOTHERS. YET HE FOUND HIS WAY TO THE GOSPEL. 00:00:13.900 --> 00:00:16.467 A GROWING MOVEMENT WITH THE SOUL PURPOSE OF PREACHING THE GOSPEL 00:00:16.567 --> 00:00:18.133 THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:28.933 REBECCA LAMB WEISS: HEY, GUYS, 00:00:29.033 --> 00:00:30.700 WELCOME TO THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST . 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.667 I AM EXCITED TODAY BECAUSE I AM JOINED WITH REVIVALIST 00:00:33.767 --> 00:00:36.734 AND EVANGELIST ROSS JOHNSTON TO THE SHOW. 00:00:36.834 --> 00:00:38.233 ROSS JOHNSON: SUCH AN EXCITING TIME AND SUCH AN HONOR 00:00:38.333 --> 00:00:39.434 TO BE HERE. 00:00:39.534 --> 00:00:41.300 I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. 00:00:41.400 --> 00:00:43.534 REBECCA: WELL I'VE BEEN SEEING YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA, 00:00:43.634 --> 00:00:47.300 AND I HAVE TO SAY IT'S SO GREAT TO SEE SOMEONE THAT IS YOUNG 00:00:47.400 --> 00:00:48.767 AND WHO'S BOLD. 00:00:48.867 --> 00:00:51.300 AND, I MEAN, THERE'S VIDEOS OF YOU OUT IN PUBLIC. 00:00:51.400 --> 00:00:53.134 I MEAN, JUST NOT HOLDING BACK. 00:00:53.234 --> 00:00:56.233 AND I THINK IN A DAY AND AGE WHERE PEOPLE ARE SO AFRAID 00:00:56.333 --> 00:00:59.333 TO BE TRUTHFUL AND HONEST, YOU'RE BEING BOLD 00:00:59.433 --> 00:00:59.900 ABOUT THE GOSPEL. 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:00.700 AND I LOVE THAT. 00:01:00.800 --> 00:01:01.533 ROSS: YEAH. 00:01:01.633 --> 00:01:02.834 I MEAN, I THINK AS CHRISTIANS, 00:01:02.934 --> 00:01:05.100 WE SHOULD ALL HAVE SOME EDGE ON US NO MATTER OUR UPBRINGING 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:06.266 OR OUR EXPERIENCE. 00:01:06.366 --> 00:01:08.100 AND BECAUSE I KNOW FOR ME, I NEVER REALLY FIT WELL 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.867 INSIDE THE BUILDING, AND I ALWAYS DESIRE TO SEE 00:01:10.967 --> 00:01:13.600 WHAT GOD WAS DOING IN THE BUILDING TAKE PLACE OUTSIDE. 00:01:13.700 --> 00:01:15.767 SO WHEN I GOT THAT OPPORTUNITY, I'M LIKE, HERE IT IS. 00:01:15.867 --> 00:01:17.133 THIS IS WHAT I WAS CREATED FOR. 00:01:17.233 --> 00:01:19.133 AND SO IT'S SUCH AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO PREACH THE GOSPEL 00:01:19.233 --> 00:01:20.433 IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA. 00:01:20.533 --> 00:01:22.666 REBECCA: YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED 00:01:22.766 --> 00:01:24.200 TO BE CONTAINED IN A BUILDING, 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:26.634 BUT I THINK MAYBE WE GOT A LITTLE TOO FOCUSED ON THAT 00:01:26.734 --> 00:01:27.867 IN THE CHURCH. 00:01:27.967 --> 00:01:29.167 AND YOU KIND OF REMIND ME OF, LIKE, JOHN THE BAPTIST, 00:01:29.267 --> 00:01:30.900 YOU KNOW, HE WENT OUT INTO THE WILDERNESS 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.334 AND, YOU KNOW, PREPARED THE WAY FOR THE COMING OF YESHUA. 00:01:34.434 --> 00:01:37.234 AND SO, ALL THAT BEING SAID, 00:01:37.334 --> 00:01:39.266 WE HAVE TO GET OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. 00:01:39.366 --> 00:01:41.367 AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S CALLED TO DIFFERENT THINGS 00:01:41.467 --> 00:01:42.734 AND IT'S ALL IMPORTANT. 00:01:42.834 --> 00:01:45.233 BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A ROLE AND THERE'S A PURPOSE FOR THAT. 00:01:45.333 --> 00:01:46.700 AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT. 00:01:46.800 --> 00:01:49.800 AND SO I THINK COVID HELPED BREAK THE CHURCH 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:51.767 I THINK OUT OF THE FOUR WALLS AND MADE US KIND OF 00:01:51.867 --> 00:01:53.400 GET BACK TO MORE OF OUR ROOTS 00:01:53.500 --> 00:01:55.600 AND HOW THE WAY THINGS USED TO BE. 00:01:55.700 --> 00:01:56.533 ROSS: ABSOLUTELY. 00:01:56.633 --> 00:01:58.000 I MEAN, I THINK IN THE COVID TIMES, 00:01:58.100 --> 00:02:00.533 SOMETIMES EVEN NONBELIEVERS WERE PROPHESYING 00:02:00.633 --> 00:02:01.666 AS MUCH AS THE CHURCH 00:02:01.766 --> 00:02:03.300 SHOULD NEVER BE SHUT DOWN WHEN THEY WERE SAYING 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.300 THAT, I COULD ONLY IMAGINE GOD SAYING, 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.466 HEY, LISTEN, IF YOU CAN'T SEE THIS, IF YOU CAN'T HEAR THIS, 00:02:08.566 --> 00:02:11.300 I'M TRYING TO GET YOU OUTSIDE THE BUILDING 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.900 INTO A DYING WORLD TO RELEASE THIS GOSPEL, 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.200 THE ONLY THING IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND 00:02:18.300 --> 00:02:21.633 THAT HAS THE POWER TO SAVE SOMEBODY AND SET THEM FREE. 00:02:21.733 --> 00:02:23.633 SO I THINK THAT INVITATION IS STILL NOW FOR THE CHURCH. 00:02:23.733 --> 00:02:25.467 WHO IS WILLING TO GO. 00:02:25.567 --> 00:02:27.267 REBECCA: AND I JUST REMEMBERED BECAUSE I FORGOT IT EARLIER, 00:02:27.367 --> 00:02:28.400 WHY I WAS THINKING, 00:02:28.500 --> 00:02:29.633 WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SO IMPORTANT 00:02:29.733 --> 00:02:31.433 BECAUSE WHEN PENTECOST HAPPENED, 00:02:31.533 --> 00:02:33.500 YOU KNOW, GOD WAS IN THE TEMPLE 00:02:33.600 --> 00:02:36.533 AND THEN JESUS DIES ON THE CROSS AND WE SEE THE VEIL IS TORN, 00:02:36.633 --> 00:02:38.966 THE VEIL THAT LEADS TO THE HOLY OF HOLIES FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, 00:02:39.066 --> 00:02:41.900 ONLY SOMETHING GOD COULD DO. AND WHEN PENTECOST HAPPENED, 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.034 JESUS SENT HIS SPIRIT 00:02:44.134 --> 00:02:46.334 AND THE FLAMES WERE ABOVE THE HEADS OF THE BELIEVERS, 00:02:46.434 --> 00:02:48.334 AND GOD WAS SAYING, I'M NO LONGER GOING TO DWELL 00:02:48.434 --> 00:02:49.467 IN A BUILDING. 00:02:49.567 --> 00:02:50.867 I'M GOING TO DWELL WITHIN MAN. 00:02:50.967 --> 00:02:51.933 ROSS: COME ON. 00:02:52.033 --> 00:02:53.000 REBECCA: BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GOD DESIGNED US FOR. 00:02:53.100 --> 00:02:54.833 BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL WE RECEIVED THE CLEANSING 00:02:54.933 --> 00:02:57.634 OF THE BLOOD OF JESUS THAT WE COULD BUY SALVATION, 00:02:57.734 --> 00:03:00.767 THEN RECEIVE HIS SPIRIT TO INDWELL IN US. 00:03:00.867 --> 00:03:03.900 SO, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY ARE OPERATING AS A BODY 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:05.900 LIKE THROUGH PEOPLE. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:07.233 ROSS: TOTALLY. 00:03:07.333 --> 00:03:08.766 REBECCA: SO WE CAN USE BUILDINGS AND BUILDINGS ARE GREAT TOOLS. 00:03:08.866 --> 00:03:09.800 ROSS: AMEN. 00:03:09.900 --> 00:03:11.133 REBECCA: BUT IT'S NOT BOUND BY BUILDINGS. 00:03:11.233 --> 00:03:13.934 HIS SPIRIT DWELLS IN US AND HE'S WITH US WHEREVER WE GO. 00:03:14.034 --> 00:03:16.267 ROSS: YEAH, WELL, THE TRUTH IS, I LIKE TO SAY IT LIKE THIS: 00:03:16.367 --> 00:03:18.234 EVERY CHRISTIAN IS IN FULL-TIME MINISTRY. 00:03:18.334 --> 00:03:19.166 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:03:19.266 --> 00:03:20.900 THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT, THOUGH. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:22.167 ROSS: WHETHER YOU'RE AT YOUR WORKPLACE OR YOU'RE IN A CHURCH 00:03:22.267 --> 00:03:25.933 BUILDING, WE ARE CALLED TO BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. 00:03:26.033 --> 00:03:26.700 AND HERE'S THE TRUTH. 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.300 I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK. 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:29.866 WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO MY STORY. 00:03:29.966 --> 00:03:31.567 IF NOBODY WOULD HAVE EVER SHARED THE GOSPEL WITH ME, 00:03:31.667 --> 00:03:33.700 WHICH WASN'T NECESSARILY EVEN IN A CHURCH BUILDING, 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:35.434 WHO KNOWS WHERE I WOULD BE RIGHT NOW. 00:03:35.534 --> 00:03:38.200 SO HOW MANY ROSSES AND MAYBE PEOPLE EVEN WATCHING THIS, 00:03:38.300 --> 00:03:39.400 YOU RESONATE WITH THAT? 00:03:39.500 --> 00:03:41.467 YOU'RE LIKE, IT TOOK SOMEBODY TO INVITE ME TO CHURCH 00:03:41.567 --> 00:03:43.433 TO OPEN THEIR MOUTH, TO SHARE THE GOSPEL, 00:03:43.533 --> 00:03:44.733 TO SHARE THEIR TESTIMONY, 00:03:44.833 --> 00:03:47.167 WHICH ACTUALLY TRANSFORMED MY ENTIRE LIFE. 00:03:47.267 --> 00:03:49.433 SO I THINK AS THE BODY OF CHRIST, WE'RE IN A MOMENT 00:03:49.533 --> 00:03:52.233 OF INVITATION FROM GOD SAYING, WHO WILL GO? 00:03:52.333 --> 00:03:53.700 I THINK THE TABLES HAVE TURNED. 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.066 WHOEVER SAYS YES FIRST, GOD WILL SEND FIRST. 00:03:57.166 --> 00:03:58.267 REBECCA: I THINK THAT'S SO TRUE. 00:03:58.367 --> 00:03:59.600 AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT 00:03:59.700 --> 00:04:00.533 BECAUSE I THINK 00:04:00.633 --> 00:04:02.466 PEOPLE IF YOU ONLY EQUATE MINISTRY TO 00:04:02.566 --> 00:04:04.734 WHAT IS HAPPENING IN A CHURCH BUILDING ON A SUNDAY, 00:04:04.834 --> 00:04:06.734 YOU'LL THINK THAT YOU'RE A BELIEVER. 00:04:06.834 --> 00:04:08.367 BUT YOU THINK, WELL, I'M NOT CALLED TO MINISTRY, 00:04:08.467 --> 00:04:09.400 BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE. 00:04:09.500 --> 00:04:10.734 WE'RE ALL CALLED TO MINISTRY 00:04:10.834 --> 00:04:12.233 BECAUSE WHEN JESUS SPOKE TO HIS DISCIPLES, 00:04:12.333 --> 00:04:14.300 HE SPOKE TO ALL OF THEM, SAYING, GO INTO THE WORLD. 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.567 THE GREAT COMMISSION IS FOR ALL BELIEVERS TO GO 00:04:16.667 --> 00:04:19.100 AND PREACH THE GOSPEL AND MAKE DISCIPLES. 00:04:19.200 --> 00:04:20.166 SO I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 00:04:20.266 --> 00:04:22.100 I LOVE THAT YOU'RE BREAKING THROUGH THE MOLD 00:04:22.200 --> 00:04:24.466 AND YOU'RE GOING OUT AND REACHING THE LOST. 00:04:24.566 --> 00:04:27.500 SO LET'S GO BACK, THOUGH, TO YOUR STORY. 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.767 TELL US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO YOUR BIRTH. 00:04:30.867 --> 00:04:33.166 HOW WERE YOU CONCEIVED, HOW YOU CAME INTO THIS WORLD? 00:04:33.266 --> 00:04:34.400 ROSS: YEAH. 00:04:34.500 --> 00:04:36.800 I MEAN, FOR ME, IT LITERALLY STARTED ON DAY ONE, RIGHT? 00:04:36.900 --> 00:04:39.300 SO I WAS BORN BY ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION. 00:04:39.400 --> 00:04:41.867 I GREW UP IN A LESBIAN HOUSEHOLD WITH TWO MOMS. 00:04:41.967 --> 00:04:44.500 I HAD NEVER BEEN TO CHURCH MY WHOLE LIFE, 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:46.500 NEVER HEARD A WORSHIP SONG, NEVER HEARD A SERMON. 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.900 I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A GRID FOR GOD, 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:50.967 I WAS A ZERO OF ZEROES. RIGHT. 00:04:51.067 --> 00:04:52.533 LIKE THERE WAS NO EXPERIENCE. 00:04:52.633 --> 00:04:55.666 THERE WAS NO LANGUAGE FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN MY HEART 00:04:55.766 --> 00:04:56.833 GROWING UP. 00:04:56.933 --> 00:04:59.400 BUT AT 15 YEARS OLD, A FRIEND INVITES ME TO CHURCH, 00:04:59.500 --> 00:05:02.167 A SIMPLE INVITATION AND I REMEMBER 00:05:02.267 --> 00:05:03.400 GOING TO THAT CHURCH SERVICE. 00:05:03.500 --> 00:05:05.266 I'M SITTING ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK ROW. 00:05:05.366 --> 00:05:06.200 THE SERVICE ENDS. 00:05:06.300 --> 00:05:07.933 MY FRIEND SAYS, DID YOU LIKE IT? 00:05:08.033 --> 00:05:11.267 I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE IT, BUT I FELT GOOD, RIGHT? 00:05:11.367 --> 00:05:14.066 SO I GO HOME THAT NIGHT AND I'M KIND OF HAVING THIS DIALOGUE 00:05:14.166 --> 00:05:15.667 IN MY HEART WITH GOD. 00:05:15.767 --> 00:05:17.200 AND REALLY WHAT IT WAS IS, GOD, 00:05:17.300 --> 00:05:18.900 I BELIEVE YOU ARE REAL. 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:21.166 JESUS, I BELIEVE YOU'RE THE SON OF GOD, 00:05:21.266 --> 00:05:24.133 BUT I DON'T WANT JUST THIS LIKE HEAD KNOWLEDGE. 00:05:24.233 --> 00:05:27.800 LIKE THERE HAS TO BE AN ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, AN ACTUAL ENCOUNTER. 00:05:27.900 --> 00:05:30.967 WHAT I LIKE TO CALL A HEART REVELATION OF WHO YOU ARE. 00:05:31.067 --> 00:05:33.133 IF I'M GOING TO GIVE MY LIFE TO SOMETHING, 00:05:33.233 --> 00:05:35.200 THIS HAS TO BE MORE THAN JUST CUTE WORDS 00:05:35.300 --> 00:05:36.700 AND CUTE CHURCH SERVICES. 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.300 THIS HAS TO BE THE PRESENCE AND POWER OF GOD 00:05:39.400 --> 00:05:41.134 COMING UPON AND IN MY LIFE. 00:05:41.234 --> 00:05:43.967 AND SURE ENOUGH, GOD MET ME IN MY ROOM NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, 00:05:44.067 --> 00:05:45.100 AND NEXT TIME I WENT TO CHURCH, I SAID, 00:05:45.200 --> 00:05:46.967 JESUS, HERE'S MY LIFE. 00:05:47.067 --> 00:05:49.433 REBECCA: SO I WANT TO DIVE INTO THAT. 00:05:49.533 --> 00:05:52.566 BUT I ALSO WANT TO GO BACK EARLIER. 00:05:52.666 --> 00:05:55.467 SO YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION. 00:05:55.567 --> 00:05:57.800 YOU WERE IN A HOUSEHOLD WITH A LESBIAN COUPLE. 00:05:57.900 --> 00:05:59.166 ROSS: YES. 00:05:59.266 --> 00:06:00.667 REBECCA: WHAT WAS YOUR CHILDHOOD LIKE? 00:06:00.767 --> 00:06:01.734 SO THERE WAS NO GOD. 00:06:01.834 --> 00:06:03.000 WAS THERE ANY KIND OF FAITH? 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:04.300 WERE THEY ATHEIST? 00:06:04.400 --> 00:06:06.400 WHAT WAS THE DYNAMIC LIKE IN YOUR HOME? 00:06:06.500 --> 00:06:07.200 ROSS: TOTALLY. 00:06:07.300 --> 00:06:08.466 WELL, TWO THINGS COME TO MIND. 00:06:08.566 --> 00:06:10.933 NUMBER ONE, MY MOM AND OUR FAMILY IN OUR HOUSE, WE WEREN'T, 00:06:11.033 --> 00:06:12.566 WHAT I WOULD SAY, ANTI-GOD. 00:06:12.666 --> 00:06:14.300 WE JUST NEVER TALKED ABOUT GOD. 00:06:14.400 --> 00:06:17.000 SO THERE WASN'T LIKE A BAD STIGMA ON GOD OR JESUS. 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:19.367 THERE WAS JUST ZERO CONVERSATION AROUND IT. 00:06:19.467 --> 00:06:20.900 NOW, SECONDLY, I'LL ALSO SAY THIS. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.866 I THINK THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY NOW VERSUS 20, 00:06:23.966 --> 00:06:26.700 30 YEARS AGO, THEY LOOK WAY DIFFERENT. 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.700 LIKE GROWING UP, WE DIDN'T HAVE PRIDE FLAGS IN THE HOUSE. 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.133 WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT GENDER. 00:06:31.233 --> 00:06:32.800 YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE SEE HAPPENING 00:06:32.900 --> 00:06:35.033 IN MAINSTREAM CULTURE NOW. 00:06:35.133 --> 00:06:37.533 SO IT WAS ALMOST LIKE MY MOM SAW HER LIFESTYLE WAS LIKE, 00:06:37.633 --> 00:06:38.634 LISTEN, THIS IS WHO I AM. 00:06:38.734 --> 00:06:39.667 THIS IS HOW I LIVE. 00:06:39.767 --> 00:06:41.066 THERE'S NOTHING TO REALLY TALK ABOUT HERE. 00:06:41.166 --> 00:06:43.133 IT'S JUST WHO I AM, VERSUS NOW, 00:06:43.233 --> 00:06:46.234 IT FEELS LIKE IF I DON'T AFFIRM WHAT YOU BELIEVE OR YOUR GENDER, 00:06:46.334 --> 00:06:48.700 ALL HELL IS GOING TO BREAK LOOSE. 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.100 SO I SAY, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE DIFFERENCES IN MY HOUSEHOLD 00:06:51.200 --> 00:06:53.134 VERSUS WHAT I THINK WE MAY SEE TODAY. 00:06:53.234 --> 00:06:55.500 REBECCA: AND SO YOU ONLY CALL ONE OF THEM YOUR MOM. 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.433 SO EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING. 00:06:57.533 --> 00:07:00.034 ROSS: PROBABLY LIKE THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION I GET. 00:07:00.134 --> 00:07:01.200 AND REALLY, I THINK IT'S TWO THINGS. 00:07:01.300 --> 00:07:02.567 ONE, WELL, IT'S NOT THE DESIGN OF GOD TO CALL 00:07:02.667 --> 00:07:04.900 MORE THAN ONE WOMAN YOUR MOM. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.200 RIGHT? 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:08.700 AND SECONDLY, IT JUST NEVER, EVEN BEFORE I WAS A CHRISTIAN, 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:10.033 BEFORE I HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ME, 00:07:10.133 --> 00:07:12.034 I NEVER CALLED HER MOM. 00:07:12.134 --> 00:07:13.967 AND I JUST TRULY BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE THAT DESIGN OF GOD'S 00:07:14.067 --> 00:07:15.867 IN ALL OF US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL CREATED 00:07:15.967 --> 00:07:17.533 IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, IMAGO DEI. 00:07:17.633 --> 00:07:19.300 SO SOMETIMES THERE'S EVEN THINGS AS NONBELIEVERS, 00:07:19.400 --> 00:07:22.800 YOU JUST CAN'T DO OR SAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE DESIGN. 00:07:22.900 --> 00:07:26.000 IT REALLY TAKES A LOT FOR YOU TO BREAK OUTSIDE OF THAT. 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:28.367 SO EVEN TO THIS DAY, I STILL CALL HER BY HER NAME 00:07:28.467 --> 00:07:30.934 AND I CALL MY BIOLOGICAL MOM MY MOM. 00:07:31.034 --> 00:07:33.500 REBECCA: AND SO, YEAH, SO THE ONE THAT YOU CALLED MOM 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.034 WAS THE ONE THAT CARRIED YOU AND HAD YOU AND ALL OF THAT. 00:07:36.134 --> 00:07:37.233 ROSS: EXACTLY. 00:07:37.333 --> 00:07:39.400 REBECCA: DID YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHO YOUR FATHER IS? 00:07:39.500 --> 00:07:42.767 ROSS: I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM OTHER THAN EYE COLOR, 00:07:42.867 --> 00:07:45.767 HEIGHT, AND KIND OF THE CITY OR REGION HE WAS IN 00:07:45.867 --> 00:07:46.866 AT THAT TIME. 00:07:46.966 --> 00:07:49.366 BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I HAVE NO CONTEXT, 00:07:49.466 --> 00:07:51.466 NO UNDERSTANDING, NOTHING ELSE. 00:07:51.566 --> 00:07:54.100 REBECCA: GROWING UP, DID YOU MISS HAVING YOUR FATHER? 00:07:54.200 --> 00:07:56.766 DID YOU WONDER WHO HE WAS, OR DID YOU JUST THINK 00:07:56.866 --> 00:07:58.466 THIS IS JUST THE WAY THINGS ARE? 00:07:58.566 --> 00:08:00.233 ROSS: I LIKE TO SAY IT LIKE THIS: A BABY ONLY KNOWS 00:08:00.333 --> 00:08:01.534 WHAT A BABY IS TAUGHT. 00:08:01.634 --> 00:08:04.666 SO FOR ME, ALL I KNEW WAS HAVING TWO MOMS I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE, 00:08:04.766 --> 00:08:07.067 OBVIOUSLY, I SAW MY FRIENDS HAVE A MOM AND A FATHER, 00:08:07.167 --> 00:08:09.000 BUT I DIDN'T REALLY THINK OF IT AS A DIFFERENCE. 00:08:09.100 --> 00:08:11.000 I JUST SAID, WELL, THERE'S JUST THINGS THAT AREN'T THE SAME, 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:12.167 RIGHT? 00:08:12.267 --> 00:08:14.000 BUT WHEN I GOT SAVED, THIS IS THE BEAUTIFUL THING 00:08:14.100 --> 00:08:17.500 ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE HOLY SPIRIT REVEALS JESUS TO YOU. 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:19.900 AND SO ONCE I GOT SAVED, I STARTED TO UNDERSTAND, 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:22.767 OH, MY GOSH, GROWING UP WITHOUT A FATHER, 00:08:22.867 --> 00:08:25.500 WITHOUT WALKING IN THE DESIGN OF GOD, YOU'RE UNDER ATTACK. 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:26.933 THERE'S A REAL GOD AND THERE'S A REAL ENEMY. 00:08:27.033 --> 00:08:28.533 I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE ENEMY MORE CREDIT 00:08:28.633 --> 00:08:29.867 THAN WHAT HE DESERVES. 00:08:29.967 --> 00:08:31.834 BUT WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE LORD, HE RUNS YOUR LIFE, RIGHT? 00:08:31.934 --> 00:08:33.000 I LIKE TO SAY IT LIKE THIS. 00:08:33.100 --> 00:08:34.700 IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, 00:08:34.800 --> 00:08:37.833 THE CULTURE, THE WORLD, THE MEDIA BECOMES YOUR FATHER. 00:08:37.933 --> 00:08:39.600 AND SO WHEN I GOT SAVED, I NOTICED I HAD SOMETHING 00:08:39.700 --> 00:08:42.100 CALLED AN ORPHAN SPIRIT, WHERE MY WHOLE LIFE, 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.000 MY MOM HAS BEEN A PHENOMENAL MOM TO ME. 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:45.234 SHE LOVED ME, PROVIDED FOR ME. 00:08:45.334 --> 00:08:46.567 WE HAD A HOUSE. 00:08:46.667 --> 00:08:49.134 WE ALWAYS HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH, BUT I NEVER FELT TRULY SEEN, 00:08:49.234 --> 00:08:50.734 TRULY VALUED. 00:08:50.834 --> 00:08:53.200 AND WHAT THAT WAS, IT WAS THAT GOD VOID 00:08:53.300 --> 00:08:55.733 BECAUSE EVERY PERSON LONGS TO KNOW THEIR FATHER, 00:08:55.833 --> 00:08:57.100 THE ONE WHO CREATED THEM. 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.000 SO WHEN I GOT SAVED THAT BEGAN TO BE REVEALED TO ME. 00:09:00.100 --> 00:09:01.500 REBECCA: THAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL. 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:03.534 YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ORPHAN SPIRIT BEFORE 00:09:03.634 --> 00:09:04.767 ON THE PODCAST. 00:09:04.867 --> 00:09:06.567 CAN YOU SPEAK SOME MORE INTO WHAT THAT IS? 00:09:06.667 --> 00:09:08.167 BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE STRUGGLE WITH THAT 00:09:08.267 --> 00:09:09.434 WITHOUT REALIZING IT. 00:09:09.534 --> 00:09:11.300 ROSS: I MEAN, THE ORPHAN SPIRIT IN SIMPLE TERMS, 00:09:11.400 --> 00:09:13.833 IS WHEN YOU GET SAVED, BECOME BORN AGAIN, GIVE YOUR LIFE 00:09:13.933 --> 00:09:14.934 TO JESUS. 00:09:15.034 --> 00:09:16.800 THE BIBLE SAYS IN ROMANS, YOU GET GRAFTED 00:09:16.900 --> 00:09:19.500 INTO THE FAMILY OF GOD, RIGHT? 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:23.100 BUT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, YOU COULD HAVE AN AMAZING FAMILY 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:26.233 OR A VERY BROKEN FAMILY AND STILL HAVE THE ORPHAN SPIRIT. 00:09:26.333 --> 00:09:27.767 HERE'S SOME PRACTICAL EXAMPLES. 00:09:27.867 --> 00:09:29.934 YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE THAT LOVE YOU, TAKE CARE OF YOU, 00:09:30.034 --> 00:09:33.066 PROVIDE FOR YOU, BUT FOR SOME REASON, AT NIGHT 00:09:33.166 --> 00:09:34.933 WHEN YOU LAY YOUR HEAD ON THAT PILLOW, 00:09:35.033 --> 00:09:37.067 YOU CAN HAVE THE MOST AMAZING FAMILY YET 00:09:37.167 --> 00:09:38.634 FEEL LIKE YOU'RE STILL SO LONELY. 00:09:38.734 --> 00:09:39.900 YOU'RE STILL SO OPPRESSED. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:41.634 WHY DO I FEEL THIS DISCONNECT IN MY HEART? 00:09:41.734 --> 00:09:43.500 I HAVE EVERYTHING THE WORLD HAS TOLD ME 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.467 IS SUPPOSED TO CONNECT IN MY HEART, BUT I STILL FEEL LONELY. 00:09:46.567 --> 00:09:49.134 IT'S TYPICALLY THE ORPHAN SPIRIT AND NOT UNDERSTANDING 00:09:49.234 --> 00:09:53.067 TWO THINGS, ONE, WHO YOU ARE, AND TWO, WHOSE YOU ARE. 00:09:53.167 --> 00:09:55.767 REBECCA: YES, AND WHAT I LOVE IN ROMANS EIGHT IS IT TALKS ABOUT 00:09:55.867 --> 00:09:58.100 THAT WHEN WE GET SAVED, WE GET FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.400 HE ACTUALLY, IT SAYS THAT HE MAKES INWARD GROANS 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:04.500 IN OUR SPIRIT BY IT THAT WE CALL ABBA FATHER. 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:07.634 AND SO HE TEACHES US ABOUT OUR SONSHIP IN CHRIST. 00:10:07.734 --> 00:10:09.933 HE TEACHES US ABOUT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, 00:10:10.033 --> 00:10:11.267 AND HE HELPS CONNECT THAT FOR US. 00:10:11.367 --> 00:10:12.534 AND I THINK THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT. 00:10:12.634 --> 00:10:14.967 I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID GOOD FAMILY, 00:10:15.067 --> 00:10:18.000 BROKEN FAMILY, YOU CAN STILL STRUGGLE WITH THE ORPHAN SPIRIT. 00:10:18.100 --> 00:10:19.633 AND IT'S A LACK OF IDENTITY. 00:10:19.733 --> 00:10:22.000 IT'S FEELING THE NEED THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, 00:10:22.100 --> 00:10:23.266 FEELING LIKE THERE'S NO ONE 00:10:23.366 --> 00:10:26.000 THAT'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF YOU, AND SO YOU CAN IN TERMS 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:28.367 KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO GRAB EVERYTHING FOR YOURSELF 00:10:28.467 --> 00:10:30.466 BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. 00:10:30.566 --> 00:10:34.567 YOU SAID THE LONELINESS OR INSECURITY, YOU KNOW, REJECTION. 00:10:34.667 --> 00:10:38.500 AND SO WHEN WE COME INTO CHRIST, WE GET THAT NEW IDENTITY. 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:41.634 WE GET PUT IN THE PERFECT FAMILY THAT WE WERE DESIGNED TO BE IN 00:10:41.734 --> 00:10:43.300 FROM THE BEGINNING. 00:10:43.400 --> 00:10:45.533 AND SO GOD BEGINS TO HEAL UP THOSE SPOTS IN OUR HEART. 00:10:45.633 --> 00:10:49.400 I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD INTO YOU GETTING SAVED, 00:10:49.500 --> 00:10:51.100 BEFORE I ASK THE QUESTION THAT'S IN MY MIND, 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.400 I WANT TO KIND OF LAY THE GROUNDWORK. 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:53.767 SO YOUR FRIEND INVITES YOU TO CHURCH. 00:10:53.867 --> 00:10:55.134 WHAT WAS THE CHURCH LIKE? 00:10:55.234 --> 00:10:57.134 DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE PREACHER WAS PREACHING 00:10:57.234 --> 00:11:00.400 AND WHAT DID IT STIR SOMETHING IN YOU THAT YOU PRAYED 00:11:00.500 --> 00:11:01.633 THAT PRAYER THAT NIGHT? 00:11:01.733 --> 00:11:03.866 DID HE PREACH THE GOSPEL LIKE, GIVE ME THE PLAY-BY-PLAY. 00:11:03.966 --> 00:11:04.800 ROSS: YEAH. 00:11:04.900 --> 00:11:06.967 I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING HE PREACHED. 00:11:07.067 --> 00:11:08.334 LIKE LITERALLY ZERO. 00:11:08.434 --> 00:11:11.267 I JUST REMEMBER BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUCH A DEEP FEELER. 00:11:11.367 --> 00:11:15.067 SO I REMEMBER, LIKE FEELING IN MY HEART AND IN MY SOUL 00:11:15.167 --> 00:11:18.267 THERE WAS SOMETHING HAPPENING THAT I NEVER EXPERIENCED BEFORE. 00:11:18.367 --> 00:11:20.500 I MEAN, THINK OF IT LIKE THIS BECAUSE I THINK SO MANY TIMES, 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:21.666 EVEN AS CHRISTIANS NOW, 00:11:21.766 --> 00:11:22.866 I'VE BEEN A CHRISTIAN FOR, YOU KNOW, 12, 13 YEARS. 00:11:22.966 --> 00:11:28.100 WE CAN EASILY FORGET HOW IT FEELS TO NOT KNOW GOD 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.134 OR TO HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED HIM. 00:11:30.234 --> 00:11:31.867 SO IMAGINE ME. 00:11:31.967 --> 00:11:34.766 I'VE NEVER HAD ANYWHERE NEAR TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE 00:11:34.866 --> 00:11:35.967 WITH THE PRESENCE OF GOD. 00:11:36.067 --> 00:11:37.966 I HEAR, WORSHIP FOR THE FIRST TIME. 00:11:38.066 --> 00:11:40.500 I HEAR SOMEBODY PREACHING ABOUT THE REALITY OF WHO I AM 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:41.900 AS A SON OR DAUGHTER OF GOD. 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:46.000 ALL OF A SUDDEN, MY HEART IS COMING ALIVE EVERY SECOND 00:11:46.100 --> 00:11:47.633 I'M IN THAT CHURCH BUILDING. 00:11:47.733 --> 00:11:50.400 SO IT WAS LIKE AS MUCH AS I WAS THERE IN THAT PLACE, 00:11:50.500 --> 00:11:53.367 MY SPIRIT WAS LIKE TRYING TO SOAK THIS UP, YOU KNOW? 00:11:53.467 --> 00:11:54.867 AND THEN I WENT HOME AND I'M JUST BASICALLY 00:11:54.967 --> 00:11:56.500 HAVING THIS DIALOGUE WITH GOD. 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.000 AND I FELT THAT SAME PRESENCE OVER AND OVER. 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:00.100 NOW, WE DON'T LIVE BY FEELINGS. 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:01.700 WE LIVE BY FAITH. 00:12:01.800 --> 00:12:03.800 BUT MANY TIMES, ALL OF US WHO BECOME A CHRISTIAN, 00:12:03.900 --> 00:12:06.933 WE'VE HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH GOD THAT THEN LED INTO A LIFESTYLE. 00:12:07.033 --> 00:12:08.734 SO THAT WAS MY ENCOUNTER MOMENT. 00:12:08.834 --> 00:12:10.700 REBECCA: SO YOU PRAYED THAT PRAYER THAT NIGHT AND REMIND ME, 00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:11.933 WHAT WAS THE PRAYER AGAIN? 00:12:12.033 --> 00:12:14.367 ROSS: SO ACTUALLY, BEFORE I PRAYED THE PRAYER OF FAITH 00:12:14.467 --> 00:12:16.433 THAT NIGHT, MY PRAYER WAS JUST, GOD. 00:12:16.533 --> 00:12:18.133 WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRAY. 00:12:18.233 --> 00:12:19.200 SO I WAS JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION, 00:12:19.300 --> 00:12:20.566 WHICH THAT'S WHAT PRAYER IS. 00:12:20.666 --> 00:12:21.367 AMEN. 00:12:21.467 --> 00:12:22.700 BUT I WAS HAVING THIS DIALOGUE. 00:12:22.800 --> 00:12:25.133 GOD, I DON'T WANT TO JUST READ A GOOD BOOK, BE A GOOD PERSON, 00:12:25.233 --> 00:12:26.400 GO TO A GOOD CHURCH. 00:12:26.500 --> 00:12:29.100 I HAVE TO KNOW YOU AND EXPERIENCE YOU. 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.467 AND THEN I SENSED HIS PRESENCE FOR THE NEXT FEW NIGHTS. 00:12:31.567 --> 00:12:34.033 NEXT TIME I WENT TO CHURCH, THEY GAVE AN ALTAR CALL. 00:12:34.133 --> 00:12:36.067 I RAISED MY HAND, SAID THAT PRAYER OF FAITH, 00:12:36.167 --> 00:12:37.334 AND GAVE MY LIFE TO JESUS. 00:12:37.434 --> 00:12:38.200 REBECCA: WOW. 00:12:38.300 --> 00:12:40.600 SO YOU WERE 15. 00:12:40.700 --> 00:12:44.100 SO HOW DID YOUR PARENTS TAKE THE NEWS? 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:47.133 ROSS: WELL, THE TRUTH IS, I WAS STILL TOO YOUNG TO DRIVE, 00:12:47.233 --> 00:12:49.434 SO AT THE TIME MY MOM HAD TO TAKE ME TO CHURCH, 00:12:49.534 --> 00:12:50.566 SO SHE DIDN'T STAY, 00:12:50.666 --> 00:12:52.700 UNFORTUNATELY, BUT SHE HAD TO TAKE ME. 00:12:52.800 --> 00:12:55.033 SO SHE WAS THE ONE TAKING ME BACK AND FORTH. 00:12:55.133 --> 00:12:56.367 YOU KNOW, MY MOM WASN'T AGAINST IT. 00:12:56.467 --> 00:12:57.934 SHE ACTUALLY TOTALLY SUPPORTED IT. 00:12:58.034 --> 00:13:00.166 YOU KNOW, MY MOM'S BEEN SUCH A PHENOMENAL MOM TO ME. 00:13:00.266 --> 00:13:01.133 REBECCA: SHE REALLY HAS BEEN. 00:13:01.233 --> 00:13:02.400 ROSS: YEAH. 00:13:02.500 --> 00:13:03.967 LIKE I KNOW SHE WOULD LITERALLY LAY HER LIFE DOWN FOR ME. 00:13:04.067 --> 00:13:05.167 YOU KNOW, I'M JUST BELIEVING FOR HER 00:13:05.267 --> 00:13:08.734 TO ENGAGE IN HER HEART ON A PERSONAL LEVEL WITH JESUS. 00:13:08.834 --> 00:13:11.000 BUT INITIALLY THERE WAS NOT REALLY ANY STRIFE OR STRUGGLE. 00:13:11.100 --> 00:13:12.700 THERE JUST WASN'T ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. 00:13:12.800 --> 00:13:13.700 THERE WAS NO ENGAGEMENT. 00:13:13.800 --> 00:13:15.967 THERE WASN'T A WHOLE TON OF CONVERSATION. 00:13:16.067 --> 00:13:17.167 IT WAS JUST LIKE, HEY, I LOVE YOU. 00:13:17.267 --> 00:13:18.500 YOU'RE MY SON, I SUPPORT YOU, I'LL TAKE YOU TO CHURCH. 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:19.666 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:13:19.766 --> 00:13:21.500 I'M SO PROUD OF HER FOR DOING THAT AND TAKING YOU. 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.067 SO AROUND THE, 00:13:23.167 --> 00:13:23.900 NOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:24.967 AROUND THE TIME YOU GOT SAVED, 00:13:25.067 --> 00:13:28.067 DID THEY, DIDN'T YOUR PARENTS SEPARATE? 00:13:28.167 --> 00:13:28.933 ROSS: CORRECT. 00:13:29.033 --> 00:13:30.033 REBECCA: SO TALK ABOUT THAT. 00:13:30.133 --> 00:13:32.634 ROSS: SO THAT WEEK THAT I FIRST WENT TO CHURCH, 00:13:32.734 --> 00:13:34.700 THERE WAS JUST SOME STRIFE AND SOME TENSION 00:13:34.800 --> 00:13:36.200 IN THE RELATIONSHIP. 00:13:36.300 --> 00:13:38.900 AND I REMEMBER THEY ACTUALLY DECIDED TO SPLIT UP 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.134 THE VERY WEEK OR IF NOT REALLY CLOSE TO THAT WEEK, 00:13:42.234 --> 00:13:43.767 WHEN I FIRST STARTED GOING TO CHURCH AND GAVE MY LIFE 00:13:43.867 --> 00:13:44.633 TO JESUS. 00:13:44.733 --> 00:13:45.600 REBECCA: WHICH IS CRAZY TIMING. 00:13:45.700 --> 00:13:46.800 ROSS: WHICH IS INSANE, 00:13:46.900 --> 00:13:48.600 BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPIRITUAL WARFARE, I MEAN, 00:13:48.700 --> 00:13:50.467 YOU CAN'T GET MORE REAL THAN THAT, RIGHT? 00:13:50.567 --> 00:13:51.433 YOU'RE ME. 00:13:51.533 --> 00:13:52.667 I'M JUST GETTING SAVED. 00:13:52.767 --> 00:13:54.434 I'M ENCOUNTERING THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, 00:13:54.534 --> 00:13:56.167 IT'S LIKE MY FAMILY IS BEGINNING TO 00:13:56.267 --> 00:13:58.033 KIND OF JUST SEPARATE FROM ONE ANOTHER. 00:13:58.133 --> 00:13:59.500 SO THAT WAS A PRETTY CRAZY WEEK. 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:00.700 REBECCA: SO THEY SEPARATED. 00:14:00.800 --> 00:14:03.366 DID THEY GET BACK TOGETHER OR DID THEY STAY SEPARATE 00:14:03.466 --> 00:14:04.233 AFTER THAT? 00:14:04.333 --> 00:14:05.467 ROSS: THEY NEVER GOT BACK TOGETHER. 00:14:05.567 --> 00:14:07.034 BUT 'TIL THIS DAY, THEY STILL LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE, 00:14:07.134 --> 00:14:09.466 WHICH IS AN INTERESTING DECISION. 00:14:09.566 --> 00:14:12.600 BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE LORD FULLY, 00:14:12.700 --> 00:14:13.434 YOU MAKE DECISIONS. 00:14:13.534 --> 00:14:14.734 SOMETIMES YOU JUST DON'T, 00:14:14.834 --> 00:14:16.900 THAT AREN'T THE HEALTHIEST, RIGHT? 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:18.900 AND SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M STILL BELIEVING FOR THOSE ENCOUNTERS. 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:20.500 IT'S EASY FOR ME TO PRAY, THOUGH, BECAUSE I KNOW 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.034 THEY'RE IN THE SAME HOUSE. 00:14:22.134 --> 00:14:24.266 SO I'M LIKE, GOD, FILL THAT HOUSE WITH YOUR PRESENCE. 00:14:24.366 --> 00:14:25.667 TOUCH THEM. 00:14:25.767 --> 00:14:28.733 SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND REVELATION COME UPON THEM TO REVEAL JESUS. 00:14:28.833 --> 00:14:29.933 SO THAT'S WHAT I'M BELIEVING FOR. 00:14:30.033 --> 00:14:31.267 REBECCA: SO HERE WE ARE. 00:14:31.367 --> 00:14:33.367 AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PRAYING FOR THAT AND BELIEVING FOR THAT, 00:14:33.467 --> 00:14:37.667 OUR AUDIENCE. SO YOUR MOM, YOUR BIOLOGICAL MOM WAS SUPPORTIVE. 00:14:37.767 --> 00:14:39.034 HOW WAS THE OTHER ONE? 00:14:39.134 --> 00:14:40.400 HOW DID THEY REACT? 00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:43.266 ROSS: YEAH, MY OTHER, THE OTHER LADY, SHE WOULD MAYBE EVEN 00:14:43.366 --> 00:14:44.500 CONSIDER HERSELF A CHRISTIAN, 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.133 WHICH IS A WHOLE 'NOTHER CONVERSATION. 00:14:46.233 --> 00:14:47.334 REBECCA: OH, WOW. 00:14:47.434 --> 00:14:50.100 ROSS: BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS HAD SOME SHE WOULD SAY 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.867 SHE WOULD WATCH A SUNDAY SERVICE EVERY NOW AND THEN. 00:14:51.967 --> 00:14:52.967 YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE HER TO THIS DAY, 00:14:53.067 --> 00:14:54.967 SHE'LL MENTION THE NAME OF JESUS OR SAY, YOU KNOW, 00:14:55.067 --> 00:14:56.867 I'M PRAYING FOR YOU, OR ETC. 00:14:56.967 --> 00:14:59.800 BUT ONCE AGAIN, UNTIL YOU GET INTO THE DEEP HEART ISSUES 00:14:59.900 --> 00:15:02.100 AND BUILD HEART RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOMEBODY, 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.900 IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:06.800 BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE LIVING ON A SURFACE-LEVEL EXPRESSION. 00:15:06.900 --> 00:15:08.534 YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT WALKING AROUND 00:15:08.634 --> 00:15:10.500 AND JUST POURING OUT THEIR HEART. 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:12.567 SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M BELIEVING FOR HER 00:15:12.667 --> 00:15:15.700 THAT WHATEVER'S GOING ON IN HER HEART WOULD BE EXPRESSED 00:15:15.800 --> 00:15:17.467 OR GIVEN TO THE LORD SO THAT HE CAN COME IN 00:15:17.567 --> 00:15:20.466 AND HEAL, CLEAN, PURIFY, CLEANSE THAT. 00:15:20.566 --> 00:15:22.700 AND ACTUALLY SHE CAN BEGIN TO WALK IN RELATIONSHIP 00:15:22.800 --> 00:15:24.700 AND DEEP INTIMACY WITH GOD. 00:15:24.800 --> 00:15:26.400 REBECCA: AND THAT ACTUALLY LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. 00:15:26.500 --> 00:15:27.633 SO YOU GET SAVED. 00:15:27.733 --> 00:15:29.600 DID YOU START HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD 00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:31.033 FROM THAT POINT AT 15? 00:15:31.133 --> 00:15:32.800 WHAT DID THAT LOOK LIKE FOR YOU? 00:15:32.900 --> 00:15:35.467 ROSS: I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT. 00:15:35.567 --> 00:15:37.800 RIGHT. I'M LIKE, MY FIRST PRAYER IS, GOD, HELP ME PRAY. 00:15:37.900 --> 00:15:40.833 YEAH, YOU KNOW, SO FOR ME, IT WAS JUST LIKE, OKAY, 00:15:40.933 --> 00:15:42.100 WELL, I GOT TO START READING THE BIBLE. 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:43.333 THAT'S A GOOD THING TO DO, RIGHT? 00:15:43.433 --> 00:15:44.733 REBECCA: AND THE BIBLE IS CONFUSING. 00:15:44.833 --> 00:15:48.033 I DON'T THINK PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT IT IS VERY CONFUSING, 00:15:48.133 --> 00:15:49.467 ESPECIALLY IF NO ONE GIVES YOU LIKE, 00:15:49.567 --> 00:15:53.100 I HAVE A DEGREE IN THEOLOGY, SO LITERALLY, I THINK THE BIBLE, 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:54.634 LIKE I'M READING THE GOSPELS 00:15:54.734 --> 00:15:56.267 AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, 00:15:56.367 --> 00:15:58.900 THEY ACTUALLY MAKE MORE SENSE TO ME. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:00.066 AND YOU SAID SOMETHING IN ANOTHER INTERVIEW 00:16:00.166 --> 00:16:02.467 THAT WAS REALLY POWERFUL AND I LOVED IT. 00:16:02.567 --> 00:16:04.133 AND I DON'T HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS, 00:16:04.233 --> 00:16:06.166 BUT YOU WERE LIKE, YOU NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT 00:16:06.266 --> 00:16:09.100 TO REVEAL GOD'S WORD TO YOU, AND YOU NEED A SPIRIT 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.533 OF WISDOM AND REVELATION, WHICH IS IN THE WORD. 00:16:11.633 --> 00:16:12.966 AND IT'S SO TRUE. 00:16:13.066 --> 00:16:15.300 YEAH, BUT WITHOUT THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT 00:16:15.400 --> 00:16:17.167 AND WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, 00:16:17.267 --> 00:16:19.366 THE BIBLE CAN BE PRETTY DIFFICULT. 00:16:19.466 --> 00:16:21.400 IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN UNDERSTAND ON YOUR OWN. 00:16:21.500 --> 00:16:22.300 YOU NEED GOD. 00:16:22.400 --> 00:16:23.433 ROSS: YEAH. 00:16:23.533 --> 00:16:24.800 YOU'RE LIKE, WAIT, THERE'S A MOSES ON A MOUNTAIN, 00:16:24.900 --> 00:16:26.100 AND THEN THERE'S A GUY DYING ON A CROSS, 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:27.667 LIKE, HOW DID WE GET HERE? 00:16:27.767 --> 00:16:29.400 AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE? 00:16:29.500 --> 00:16:30.600 REBECCA: OR IF YOU'RE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, 00:16:30.700 --> 00:16:32.100 IF YOU'RE LIKE IN LEVITICUS, YOU'RE JUST LIKE, WHAT? 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:33.000 WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:33.967 ROSS: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 00:16:34.067 --> 00:16:35.533 REBECCA: SO HOW DID YOU NAVIGATE THAT? 00:16:35.633 --> 00:16:37.733 ROSS: HONESTLY, I'LL BE HONEST, THE FIRST FEW YEARS 00:16:37.833 --> 00:16:39.900 I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANT TO BE DISCIPLED. 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.500 NOW, I DID HAVE A GUY BY THE NAME OF CHRIS 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.633 WHO CAME INTO MY LIFE, WOULD PICK ME UP, 00:16:43.733 --> 00:16:44.967 LET ME STAY AT HIS HOUSE. 00:16:45.067 --> 00:16:47.267 SO IT REALLY WAS LIKE A FATHER FIGURE FOR ME IN THAT SEASON. 00:16:47.367 --> 00:16:48.333 REBECCA: OH, THAT'S AWESOME. 00:16:48.433 --> 00:16:50.234 ROSS: BUT I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANT 00:16:50.334 --> 00:16:51.733 TO BE A FOLLOWER OF JESUS. 00:16:51.833 --> 00:16:53.333 YOU KNOW, JESUS DIDN'T SAY, TAKE UP YOUR CROSS, 00:16:53.433 --> 00:16:55.300 DENY YOURSELF AND BE A BELIEVER. 00:16:55.400 --> 00:16:57.800 HE SAID, BE A FOLLOWER, WHICH MEANS WHERE HE GOES, I GO. 00:16:57.900 --> 00:17:01.267 WHAT HE SAYS YES TO, I SAY YES TO VICE VERSA. 00:17:01.367 --> 00:17:02.634 SO FOR ME, I DIDN'T DO THE BEST JOB, 00:17:02.734 --> 00:17:04.333 BUT I JUST STARTED READING THE WORD AND I JUST STARTED KIND OF 00:17:04.433 --> 00:17:06.267 ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN 00:17:06.367 --> 00:17:08.466 TO HAVE THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT? 00:17:08.566 --> 00:17:10.800 WHAT IS THE BLOOD BODY RESURRECTION OF JESUS? 00:17:10.900 --> 00:17:12.433 HOW DOES THAT PRACTICALLY APPLY TO MY LIFE? 00:17:12.533 --> 00:17:14.133 SO I JUST STARTED HAVING THIS DIALOG AND CONVERSATION 00:17:14.233 --> 00:17:16.534 IN MY HEART AND WITH THE LOCAL CHURCH. 00:17:16.634 --> 00:17:18.500 AND PRAISE GOD, I HAD AN AMAZING PASTOR 00:17:18.600 --> 00:17:21.133 BY THE NAME OF CRAIG HAMILTON WHO WOULD SIT US DOWN 00:17:21.233 --> 00:17:23.333 AND LITERALLY SAY, ASK ANY QUESTION YOU WANT, 00:17:23.433 --> 00:17:25.433 SPIRITUAL OR NOT, AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT 00:17:25.533 --> 00:17:26.833 THROUGH THE LENS OF THE BIBLE. 00:17:26.933 --> 00:17:29.100 AND THAT REALLY GAVE ME LANGUAGE FOR WHAT IT MEANS 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:31.534 TO BE A CHRISTIAN, AND HOW THAT PRACTICALLY APPLIES TO MY LIFE. 00:17:31.634 --> 00:17:34.200 REBECCA: YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, LIKE I GREW UP 00:17:34.300 --> 00:17:36.733 IN A MINISTRY FAMILY AND LIKE PART OF MY TESTIMONY 00:17:36.833 --> 00:17:38.066 WAS I DIDN'T EVEN REALLY KNOW 00:17:38.166 --> 00:17:39.567 WHAT BEING A CHRISTIAN WAS ABOUT. 00:17:39.667 --> 00:17:42.600 AND I WAS LIKE 17 YEARS OLD AT A CHURCH CAMP. 00:17:42.700 --> 00:17:44.333 AND I WAS LIKE, GOD, HOW DO I DO THIS? 00:17:44.433 --> 00:17:45.867 BECAUSE I THOUGHT CHRISTIANITY WAS ABOUT 00:17:45.967 --> 00:17:48.800 FOLLOWING A LIST OF RULES, AND I KNEW I COULDN'T DO IT. 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:50.467 AND I REMEMBER GOD SPOKE TO ME AND HE SAID, 00:17:50.567 --> 00:17:52.433 ABIDE IN ME, AND I'LL ABIDE IN YOU, 00:17:52.533 --> 00:17:53.634 WHICH IS JOHN 15. 00:17:53.734 --> 00:17:55.500 I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANT. 00:17:55.600 --> 00:17:58.700 SO NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ON A JOURNEY. 00:17:58.800 --> 00:18:00.633 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AT THE TIME THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY 00:18:00.733 --> 00:18:03.566 EVEN SPEAKING SCRIPTURE TO ME, AND THEN ENDED UP ME 00:18:03.666 --> 00:18:06.700 A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, SURRENDERING MY LIFE AT 19 00:18:06.800 --> 00:18:08.633 AND THEN BEGINNING THIS JOURNEY OF ACTUALLY 00:18:08.733 --> 00:18:11.034 LEARNING HOW TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. 00:18:11.134 --> 00:18:12.600 I HAD GROWN UP IN CHURCH. 00:18:12.700 --> 00:18:14.300 I LEARNED ALL THIS STUFF, 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.300 BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.067 AND WHAT I LEARNED IS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR FAITH 00:18:19.167 --> 00:18:22.466 IS THAT THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS, THROUGH SALVATION, 00:18:22.566 --> 00:18:24.900 WE'RE ABLE TO ENTER INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:28.100 AND I REMEMBER AS GOD SPEAKING TO ME IN THE BEGINNING 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.400 OF ME DOING BIBLE SCHOOL AND HE SAID, 00:18:30.500 --> 00:18:33.000 REBECCA, EVERYTHING YOU NEED FOR YOUR LIFE AND MINISTRY 00:18:33.100 --> 00:18:35.100 WILL FLOW FROM YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ME. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:35.800 ROSS: THAT'S RIGHT. 00:18:35.900 --> 00:18:37.167 REBECCA: SO FOCUS ON THAT. 00:18:37.267 --> 00:18:39.500 AND SO THAT'S WHY I LOVE TO ASK OTHER PEOPLE THESE QUESTIONS, 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:41.866 BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED A DIALAOGUE MORE 00:18:41.966 --> 00:18:43.900 IN THE CHURCH, BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:45.400 IT'S PEOPLE'S BEST-KEPT SECRET. 00:18:45.500 --> 00:18:46.933 THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THEIR PRAYER LIFE. 00:18:47.033 --> 00:18:48.700 THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. 00:18:48.800 --> 00:18:50.933 BUT THAT IS WHERE THE LIFE COMES FROM. 00:18:51.033 --> 00:18:54.800 AND WE'RE MEANT TO WALK WITH HIM AND WE CAN DO MINISTRY. 00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:57.000 BUT MINISTRY IS NOT RELATIONSHIP. 00:18:57.100 --> 00:18:59.100 MINISTRY IS A BYPRODUCT 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.400 OF IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A BYPRODUCT OF RELATIONSHIP. 00:19:02.500 --> 00:19:04.467 AND I THINK YOU CAN LOVE MINISTRY SO MUCH 00:19:04.567 --> 00:19:07.666 AND MISS THE RELATIONSHIP OR GROW DISTANT FROM GOD. 00:19:07.766 --> 00:19:09.966 SO ANYWAYS, I WANT TO GET BACK TO YOU. 00:19:10.066 --> 00:19:11.367 BUT I LIKE HEARING YOUR JOURNEY. 00:19:11.467 --> 00:19:14.133 SO YOU'RE DOING HONESTLY THE BEST YOU CAN WITH WHAT YOU KNOW. 00:19:14.233 --> 00:19:16.467 GO TO COLLEGE AND YOU KIND OF COME, 00:19:16.567 --> 00:19:18.334 YOU COME OUT OF COLLEGE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE 00:19:18.434 --> 00:19:20.500 YOU KIND OF GOT TO A DECISION POINT. 00:19:20.600 --> 00:19:23.066 YOU KNOW, I KIND OF LIKE YOUR FORK IN THE ROAD 00:19:23.166 --> 00:19:24.933 AND YOU CAN EITHER GO THIS WAY OR THIS WAY. 00:19:25.033 --> 00:19:27.666 SO KIND OF BUILD UP THE STORY TO THAT POINT. 00:19:27.766 --> 00:19:28.433 ROSS: YEAH. 00:19:28.533 --> 00:19:29.467 SO I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL 00:19:29.567 --> 00:19:31.533 ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AFTER I GET SAVED. 00:19:31.633 --> 00:19:32.766 AND I ACTUALLY DECIDED. 00:19:32.866 --> 00:19:33.966 SO I GREW UP IN LOS ANGELES. 00:19:34.066 --> 00:19:35.567 I DECIDED TO GO TO SCHOOL IN SAN DIEGO 00:19:35.667 --> 00:19:37.166 BECAUSE I WAS PURSUING BASEBALL AT THE TIME. 00:19:37.266 --> 00:19:39.033 SO I GO TO COLLEGE, I GET MY BUSINESS DEGREE. 00:19:39.133 --> 00:19:41.200 NOTHING REALLY TRAUMATIC HAPPENS, PRAISE GOD. 00:19:41.300 --> 00:19:43.767 BUT 2016 COMES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I FIGURE OUT, 00:19:43.867 --> 00:19:45.467 I GOT TO PAY THIS THING CALLED RENT. 00:19:45.567 --> 00:19:48.200 NOW, YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF IT BEFORE, BUT IT HIT ME 00:19:48.300 --> 00:19:49.467 AND I WAS LIKE, I GOT TO BE A MAN. 00:19:49.567 --> 00:19:51.567 I GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, LIKE, BUILD AN INCOME 00:19:51.667 --> 00:19:53.766 AND MAKE MONEY AND SUSTAIN MYSELF. 00:19:53.866 --> 00:19:56.166 AND SO I OPENED UP A GYM IN SAN DIEGO. 00:19:56.266 --> 00:19:57.766 I DID THAT FOR A FEW YEARS. 00:19:57.866 --> 00:19:59.700 BUT JUST TO BE REALLY HONEST AND TRANSPARENT, 00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:02.433 AS SOON AS THAT BEGAN TO HAPPEN, 00:20:02.533 --> 00:20:04.066 IT DIDN'T LOOK HOW I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK. 00:20:04.166 --> 00:20:05.233 I DIDN'T MAKE THE MONEY I WANTED. 00:20:05.333 --> 00:20:06.400 I DIDN'T HAVE THE GIRLFRIEND I WANTED, 00:20:06.500 --> 00:20:08.233 I DIDN'T HAVE THE CAR, THE HOUSE, ALL THE THINGS. 00:20:08.333 --> 00:20:10.700 AND I ALWAYS SAY IT LIKE THIS: AS SOON AS YOU BEGIN 00:20:10.800 --> 00:20:13.200 TO BLAME GOD IN YOUR LIFE OR IN YOUR HEART FOR THINGS, 00:20:13.300 --> 00:20:14.566 APATHY COMES IN. 00:20:14.666 --> 00:20:17.333 ONCE APATHY COMES IN, THEN BITTERNESS AND COLDNESS 00:20:17.433 --> 00:20:19.567 TAKE OVER AND YOU WALK OUT OF RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. 00:20:19.633 --> 00:20:21.133 AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME. 00:20:21.233 --> 00:20:23.567 SO NOW WE FAST FORWARD 2016 AND 2019. 00:20:23.667 --> 00:20:24.834 I'M NOT WALKING WITH GOD. 00:20:24.934 --> 00:20:25.800 I GET THIS JOB. 00:20:25.900 --> 00:20:26.600 IT'S DOUBLE THE PAY. 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:27.666 REMOTE WORK. 00:20:27.766 --> 00:20:29.533 MY FIRST THOUGHT IS, I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I WANT. 00:20:29.633 --> 00:20:31.500 I'M GOING TO LIVE MY LIFE LIKE I'M GOING TO FINALLY, 00:20:31.600 --> 00:20:32.967 FINALLY, I'M GOING TO TRAVEL THE GLOBE 00:20:33.067 --> 00:20:35.400 LIKE WHATEVER ROSS WANTS TO DO, ROSS IS GOING TO DO. 00:20:35.500 --> 00:20:37.233 AND THEN THIS THING CALLED MARCH 2020 HAPPENS. 00:20:37.333 --> 00:20:40.567 AND IN CALIFORNIA IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 00:20:40.667 --> 00:20:42.467 THAN SOME OTHER PLACES IN THE GLOBE. 00:20:42.567 --> 00:20:45.734 BUT I REMEMBER IN THAT MOMENT THE HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE TO ME. 00:20:45.834 --> 00:20:50.667 HE SAID, ROSS, IF YOU DON'T STAND NOW, YOU NEVER WILL. 00:20:50.767 --> 00:20:53.033 AND I KNEW THAT WAS A DECISION. 00:20:53.133 --> 00:20:55.100 WHAT I LIKE TO CALL A CONVERGENCE MOMENT. 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:56.800 IT'S A YES. 00:20:56.900 --> 00:20:57.834 LET YOUR YES BE A YES. 00:20:57.934 --> 00:20:59.200 LET YOUR NO BE A NO. 00:20:59.300 --> 00:21:01.800 AND I SAID, GOD, I REPENT FOR THESE LAST THREE YEARS 00:21:01.900 --> 00:21:02.667 OF MY LIFE. 00:21:02.767 --> 00:21:04.700 WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, HERE I AM. 00:21:04.800 --> 00:21:06.000 SEND ME. 00:21:06.100 --> 00:21:08.333 AND SURE ENOUGH, I STARTED GOING TO EVERY REVIVAL SERVICE, 00:21:08.433 --> 00:21:10.267 WHICH THERE WASN'T MANY IN CALIFORNIA, 00:21:10.367 --> 00:21:12.900 BUT I SAID, IF I WANT TO MEET THE PEOPLE WHO I WANT TO DO LIFE 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.466 WITH, I NEED TO GO TO WHERE THEY'RE AT. 00:21:14.566 --> 00:21:16.600 I MET A GUY BY THE NAME OF JOEL. 00:21:16.700 --> 00:21:18.867 WE STARTED TEXTING, BECAME FRIENDS, AND THE NEXT THING 00:21:18.967 --> 00:21:20.834 YOU KNOW, HERE I AM THREE YEARS LATER 00:21:20.934 --> 00:21:22.367 LEADING A FULL-TIME MINISTRY. 00:21:22.467 --> 00:21:25.534 REBECCA: MAN, THAT IS SUCH A GOOD STORY. 00:21:25.634 --> 00:21:29.200 AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE APATHY. 00:21:29.300 --> 00:21:30.767 I WENT THROUGH THAT IN MY OWN LIFE. 00:21:30.867 --> 00:21:33.233 I THINK IT CAN SNEAK IN. 00:21:33.333 --> 00:21:34.966 AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN AWARE OF IT. 00:21:35.066 --> 00:21:36.833 AND SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY POWERFUL TESTIMONY 00:21:36.933 --> 00:21:38.067 IN AND OF ITSELF. 00:21:38.167 --> 00:21:40.134 BUT I'M SO THANKFUL FOR THOSE LIKE WATERSHED MOMENTS, 00:21:40.234 --> 00:21:42.800 THOSE MOMENTS OF DECISION IN WHERE GOD'S LIKE. 00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:44.766 AND I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF THOSE IN MY LIFE WHERE IT WAS LIKE, 00:21:44.866 --> 00:21:47.000 OKAY, DO OR DIE, YOU KNOW, EITHER GOING TO CHOOSE ME 00:21:47.100 --> 00:21:49.200 OR IT'S NOT GOING TO BODE WELL FOR YOU. 00:21:49.300 --> 00:21:51.700 AND IT KIND OF PUTS THE FEAR OF GOD IN YOU, 00:21:51.800 --> 00:21:54.834 BUT IT HELPS TURN YOUR WHOLE LIFE INTO THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 00:21:54.934 --> 00:21:57.833 AND GOD WAS LIKE, I MEAN, I MEAN, RIGHT AFTER THAT, 00:21:57.933 --> 00:22:00.034 YOU'RE ON A TRAJECTORY THAT WENT PRETTY RAPID, 00:22:00.134 --> 00:22:02.067 AND I WANT TO GET INTO THAT. 00:22:02.167 --> 00:22:04.866 BUT YOU HAD TO MAKE A MOMENT OF SURRENDER, 00:22:04.966 --> 00:22:06.333 BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT FULLY SURRENDERED, 00:22:06.433 --> 00:22:07.333 IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. 00:22:07.433 --> 00:22:08.700 ROSS: NEVER. 00:22:08.800 --> 00:22:10.100 REBECCA: ESPECIALLY TO BE DOING THE KIND OF THINGS YOU'RE DOING. 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.667 YOU HAVE TO BE SURRENDERED TO THE LORD, 00:22:12.767 --> 00:22:16.933 BUT I THINK ALSO YOU ALLOWED YOUR PERCEPTION AND THE DREAM 00:22:17.033 --> 00:22:18.700 THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WANTED YOUR LIFE TO BE. 00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:22.267 YOU WERE ABLE TO SURRENDER THAT TO GOD AND LET THAT DIE 00:22:22.367 --> 00:22:24.134 AND SAY, OKAY, I'M NOT GOING TO LET MY LIFE 00:22:24.234 --> 00:22:25.900 BE WHAT I NECESSARILY WANT IT TO BE. 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:27.867 I'M GOING TO LET IT BE WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE. 00:22:27.967 --> 00:22:30.834 AND I THINK THAT'S A POWERFUL THING TO COME TO THAT PLACE. 00:22:30.934 --> 00:22:32.267 ROSS: YEAH, I MEAN, THE TRUTH IS, 00:22:32.367 --> 00:22:34.033 WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SETTLE FOR? 00:22:34.133 --> 00:22:35.800 ARE YOU GOING TO SETTLE FOR LIVING A NORMAL LIFE, 00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:38.133 MAKING AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN, BUILDING A BUSINESS, 00:22:38.233 --> 00:22:40.533 HAVING A FAMILY, WHICH ARE GREAT THINGS, BY THE WAY. 00:22:40.633 --> 00:22:42.100 OR ARE YOU GOING TO REMAIN IN THE TENSION AND SAY, 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:45.434 GOD, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT MY LIFE? 00:22:45.534 --> 00:22:46.833 WHAT SHOULD MY TIME? 00:22:46.933 --> 00:22:48.866 WHERE SHOULD MY TIME BE PRIORITIZED? 00:22:48.966 --> 00:22:51.734 SHOULD I BURN FOR THE PLEASURES OF THE WORLD, 00:22:51.834 --> 00:22:53.300 OR SHOULD I BURN FOR YOUR PRESENCE? 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:54.800 AND I THINK THERE'S A FEAR ON THAT. 00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:57.534 BECAUSE ONCE YOU TAKE A CERTAIN STEP, 00:22:57.634 --> 00:23:00.100 WE ALL KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE HAD THESE MOMENTS. 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:02.233 YOU TAKE A CERTAIN STEP, THERE'S NO GOING BACK. 00:23:02.333 --> 00:23:04.033 BUT IF YOU CAN LEAN INTO THAT, 00:23:04.133 --> 00:23:05.433 I THINK SOMETIMES AS CHRISTIANS WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE 00:23:05.533 --> 00:23:06.733 RAINBOWS AND BUTTERFLIES ALL THE TIME. 00:23:06.833 --> 00:23:09.800 NO, NO, NO, THERE'S A HEALTHY TENSION THAT KEEPS YOU 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:10.933 IN INTIMACY. 00:23:11.033 --> 00:23:12.100 HERE'S HOW I LIKE TO SAY IT. 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:12.800 REBECCA: THAT'S GREAT. 00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:13.933 ROSS: YOU. 00:23:14.033 --> 00:23:14.567 YOU'RE MARRIED, RIGHT? 00:23:14.667 --> 00:23:15.500 I'M NOT. 00:23:15.600 --> 00:23:16.600 BUT GOD SPEAKS TO ME THROUGH MARRIAGE. 00:23:16.700 --> 00:23:17.500 DID YOU MARRY YOUR HUSBAND 00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:19.533 JUST SO HE CAN DO THINGS FOR YOU? 00:23:19.633 --> 00:23:20.766 I HOPE NOT. 00:23:20.866 --> 00:23:22.100 REBECCA: NO. THAT'S LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF MARRIAGE, 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.433 WHICH ANY PERSON LEARNS WHEN THEY'RE ONCE THEY'RE MARRIED. 00:23:24.533 --> 00:23:27.033 MARRIAGE IS ABOUT SERVING THAT PERSON. 00:23:27.133 --> 00:23:28.467 ROSS: SO THE POINT I'M MAKING HERE IS WE'RE CALLED 00:23:28.567 --> 00:23:30.533 THE BRIDE OF CHRIST. 00:23:30.633 --> 00:23:32.933 JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE. 00:23:33.033 --> 00:23:34.900 GOD DID NOT SEND HIS SON TO DIE ON A CROSS 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.933 AND RAISE FROM THE DEAD, JUST SO WE CAN DO SOME THINGS FOR HIM. 00:23:38.033 --> 00:23:41.900 HE DID IT BECAUSE HIS GREATEST DESIRE IS YOU AND I. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.634 AND WHEN I COME FROM THAT PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MINISTRY 00:23:44.734 --> 00:23:47.666 IN MY OWN LIFE, FRIENDSHIP, ANY CATEGORY OF LIFE 00:23:47.766 --> 00:23:50.400 YOU WANT TO PUT THERE, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING. 00:23:50.500 --> 00:23:52.566 BECAUSE INSTEAD OF JUST DOING THINGS, 00:23:52.666 --> 00:23:55.067 I'M NOW DOING THEM BECAUSE I LOVE HIM. 00:23:55.167 --> 00:23:55.966 AND I LOVE TO BE WITH HIM. 00:23:56.066 --> 00:23:57.500 AND I KNOW IT'S THE SAME FOR HIM. 00:23:57.600 --> 00:24:00.266 SO WHEN ALL THAT HIT ME IN 2020, I WAS LIKE, 00:24:00.366 --> 00:24:02.800 GOD, HERE I AM, USE MY LIFE. 00:24:02.900 --> 00:24:04.934 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, BUT I'M OPEN TO IT. 00:24:05.034 --> 00:24:06.867 REBECCA: YEAH, LIKE THAT ISAIAH MOMENT WHERE IT'S LIKE, 00:24:06.967 --> 00:24:07.334 HERE I AM. 00:24:07.434 --> 00:24:08.434 SEND ME. 00:24:08.534 --> 00:24:10.800 AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S THE IT SAYS IN I THINK IN 00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:13.433 II CORINTHIANS 5, IT'S THE LOVE OF CHRIST THAT COMPELS US. 00:24:13.533 --> 00:24:15.234 THAT'S WHAT PAUL SAYS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL. 00:24:15.334 --> 00:24:17.033 AND THAT'S THE LOVE. 00:24:17.133 --> 00:24:20.534 THAT FIRE IS ACTUALLY A LOVE IN OUR HEARTS. 00:24:20.634 --> 00:24:22.867 AND IT'S THAT PASSION FOR HIM. 00:24:22.967 --> 00:24:25.800 SO YOU'RE GOING TO DIFFERENT REVIVALS 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:27.600 AND THEN SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT HAPPENS. 00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:28.533 TELL US THAT STORY. 00:24:28.633 --> 00:24:30.067 ROSS: SO I WALK INTO A TENT REVIVAL, 00:24:30.167 --> 00:24:33.300 MY FIRST EVER TENT REVIVAL IN MY LIFE IN 2020. 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:35.566 AND I THIS IS JUST RIGHT AFTER I KIND OF GAVE MY LIFE 00:24:35.666 --> 00:24:36.600 BACK TO GOD. 00:24:36.700 --> 00:24:38.067 AND I'M JUST LIKE, GOD, GIVE ME MY PEOPLE. 00:24:38.167 --> 00:24:39.366 LIKE, HERE I AM. 00:24:39.466 --> 00:24:41.833 I WALK INTO THIS TENT, I SEE SOMEBODY LEADING WORSHIP 00:24:41.933 --> 00:24:42.834 ON STAGE. 00:24:42.934 --> 00:24:44.300 NOW, I'VE KIND OF SEEN HIM ON SOCIAL MEDIA, 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.034 BUT WE WEREN'T FRIENDS BY ANY MEASURE. 00:24:46.134 --> 00:24:48.233 THE LORD TELLS ME, HEY, YOU NEED TO CONNECT WITH HIM. 00:24:48.333 --> 00:24:49.567 WELL, BEFORE I COULD CONNECT WITH HIM AT THE END 00:24:49.667 --> 00:24:52.067 OF THE NIGHT, THE PERSON LEADING THIS TENT REVIVAL 00:24:52.167 --> 00:24:56.700 BRINGS THIS GUY ON STAGE, WASHES HIS FEET WITH HER HAIR. 00:24:56.800 --> 00:24:57.966 IT COULD HAVE BEEN AWKWARD, 00:24:58.066 --> 00:25:00.266 BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY HOLY MOMENT AND SHE PROPHESIES 00:25:00.366 --> 00:25:02.700 OVER HIM AND SHE SAYS IT'S GOING TO TAKE LIKE 00:25:02.800 --> 00:25:05.700 MARRYING THE ALABASTER JAR PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA 00:25:05.800 --> 00:25:08.900 TO BREAK THEIR ALABASTER JAR TO SEE REVIVAL, SHE SAYS. 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.633 I ASKED THE LORD, WHAT SHOULD I GIVE UP? 00:25:10.733 --> 00:25:14.600 AND HE TELLS ME, GIVE MY BRAND NEW JEEP CAR. 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:18.900 SHE PULLS THIS GUY ON STAGE, GIVES THE KEYS TO HER JEEP 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.733 TO HIM, PROPHESIES OVER HIM AND SAYS, 00:25:21.833 --> 00:25:24.767 YOU HAVE A SOUND OF REVIVAL THAT NEEDS TO BE RELEASED 00:25:24.867 --> 00:25:27.000 ACROSS CALIFORNIA AND YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A CAR 00:25:27.100 --> 00:25:28.100 TO DO THAT. 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.734 THAT NIGHT IS WHEN ME AND HIS NAME IS JOEL MEET. 00:25:31.834 --> 00:25:34.133 WE BECOME FRIENDS, WE START TEXTING. 00:25:34.233 --> 00:25:36.134 WE HAVE THIS BURNING DESIRE IN CALIFORNIA, 00:25:36.234 --> 00:25:39.366 AND WE'RE LIKE, IT IS TIME TO GO TO THE STREETS 00:25:39.466 --> 00:25:41.134 AND THAT IS WHAT BIRTHED OUR MINISTRY. 00:25:41.234 --> 00:25:42.500 CALIFORNIA WILL BE SAVED. 00:25:42.600 --> 00:25:43.400 REBECCA: WOW. 00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:44.666 SO THAT WAS YOUR CONVERGENCE MOMENT. 00:25:44.766 --> 00:25:45.967 WHO WAS THE GIRL? 00:25:46.067 --> 00:25:47.567 ROSS: HER NAME IS JESSI GREEN. 00:25:47.667 --> 00:25:49.267 SHE HAS AN AMAZING MINISTRY. 00:25:49.367 --> 00:25:50.934 SHE DOES TENT REVIVALS ALL ACROSS AMERICA. 00:25:51.034 --> 00:25:51.867 REBECCA: WOW. 00:25:51.967 --> 00:25:53.000 WAS SHE THE ONE HOLDING THE REVIVAL? 00:25:53.100 --> 00:25:54.267 ROSS: SHE WAS. 00:25:54.367 --> 00:25:55.066 HER AND HER HUSBAND. 00:25:55.166 --> 00:25:56.400 REBECCA: OH. THAT'S AMAZING. 00:25:56.500 --> 00:26:01.533 SO YOU FEEL THE HOLY SPIRIT COMPEL YOU TO LINK UP WITH JOEL 00:26:01.633 --> 00:26:03.733 AND THEN WHEN YOU TWO COME TOGETHER, 00:26:03.833 --> 00:26:06.300 THAT'S WHERE THE MINISTRY WAS BIRTHED FROM. 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:07.567 ROSS: THERE'S SO MANY STORIES. 00:26:07.667 --> 00:26:09.066 HERE'S THE THING I'M LEARNING ABOUT THE BIBLE. 00:26:09.166 --> 00:26:11.200 IT'S ONE BIG STORY, GOD'S STORY. 00:26:11.300 --> 00:26:13.767 AND WE GET TO FIND OUR STORY WITHIN HIS STORY. 00:26:13.867 --> 00:26:14.500 REBECCA: IT'S TRUE. 00:26:14.600 --> 00:26:15.767 ROSS: AND SO I MEET JOEL. 00:26:15.867 --> 00:26:17.367 WE START TALKING, FIGURING OUT WE HAVE THIS BURNING DESIRE 00:26:17.467 --> 00:26:19.933 FOR CALIFORNIA, A DREAM COMES TO HIM. 00:26:20.033 --> 00:26:21.700 I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET INTO THE FULL DREAM, 00:26:21.800 --> 00:26:24.000 BUT LONG STORY SHORT, JESUS APPEARS IN THE DREAM, 00:26:24.100 --> 00:26:26.434 TAKES JOEL, TAKES A FRIEND OF JOEL'S, TAKES HIM 00:26:26.534 --> 00:26:29.400 IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN, SAYS, NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE REINS 00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:30.666 OF MY SPIRIT. 00:26:30.766 --> 00:26:33.134 THE BATTLE IN CALIFORNIA HAS ALREADY BEEN WON. 00:26:33.234 --> 00:26:36.434 HE SEES A MASSIVE TSUNAMI WAVE FROM THE PACIFIC. 00:26:36.534 --> 00:26:38.633 PACIFIC OCEAN CRASH OVER CALIFORNIA. 00:26:38.733 --> 00:26:41.266 JOEL ASKED HIS FRIEND, WHERE WERE WE IN THAT DREAM? 00:26:41.366 --> 00:26:43.300 HE SAYS HUNTINGTON BEACH. JOEL AND I, 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.433 JOEL TELLS ME THE DREAM AND WE SAY, 00:26:45.533 --> 00:26:49.066 IF WE'VE LEARNED ANYTHING FROM PAPA CH ! AHN AND PAPA LOU ENGLE, 00:26:49.166 --> 00:26:50.200 IT'S DO THE DREAM. 00:26:50.300 --> 00:26:52.167 WE SHOWED UP AT HUNTINGTON BEACH IN AUGUST OF 2021. 00:26:52.267 --> 00:26:55.300 WE BROUGHT A FULL SOUND SYSTEM OUT THERE, PREACHED THE GOSPEL, 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.500 WORSHIPED, BAPTIZED PEOPLE IN THE OCEAN 00:26:57.600 --> 00:27:00.233 AND ALL THE SUDDEN WE'RE SEEING DRUG ADDICTS GETTING DELIVERED. 00:27:00.333 --> 00:27:02.067 FIVE-YEAR-OLD CHILDREN WEEPING AT THE ALTAR, 00:27:02.167 --> 00:27:04.434 PEOPLE COMING UP TO ME, ROSS, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN A PASTOR? 00:27:04.534 --> 00:27:06.067 I SAID, 30 MINUTES. 00:27:06.167 --> 00:27:07.433 ROSS, WHAT CHURCH IS THIS? 00:27:07.533 --> 00:27:08.400 I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU. 00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:10.000 THIS IS JUST A MOVE OF GOD. 00:27:10.100 --> 00:27:13.166 AND SO THAT WAS THE LITERAL MOMENT THAT CALIFORNIA 00:27:13.266 --> 00:27:14.667 WE SAY WAS BIRTHED BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, 00:27:14.767 --> 00:27:16.666 OH, MY GOSH, THIS IS A MOVE OF GOD. 00:27:16.766 --> 00:27:18.700 AND WE WANTED TO GIVE IT A NAME, BELIEVING THAT 00:27:18.800 --> 00:27:21.667 WHEREVER CALIFORNIA GOES, THE WORLD WILL GO. 00:27:21.767 --> 00:27:23.033 REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE. 00:27:23.133 --> 00:27:25.967 GOLLY, I MEAN, THAT'S SUCH A CRAZY STORY. 00:27:26.067 --> 00:27:28.200 YOU SURRENDER YOUR LIFE TO GOD, YOU GO TO THAT MEETING, 00:27:28.300 --> 00:27:29.400 YOU MEET JOEL. 00:27:29.500 --> 00:27:32.400 THE FRIEND HAS THE DREAM, AND THE MINISTRY IS BIRTHED. 00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:33.766 WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN THOSE? 00:27:33.866 --> 00:27:34.766 HOW DID YOU START? 00:27:34.866 --> 00:27:35.867 HOW DID YOU START PREACHING? 00:27:35.967 --> 00:27:37.567 HOW DID YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT TO PREACH? 00:27:37.667 --> 00:27:39.134 ROSS: SOMEBODY WAS LIKE, WE GOT TO PREACH THE GOSPEL. 00:27:39.234 --> 00:27:41.634 I'M LIKE, I GUESS I WILL. 00:27:41.734 --> 00:27:44.867 REBECCA: DID YOU FEEL LIKE AN UNCTION IN YOUR SPIRIT, 00:27:44.967 --> 00:27:46.200 OR DID YOU JUST TAKE A STEP OF FAITH 00:27:46.300 --> 00:27:47.067 AND JUST GO FOR IT? 00:27:47.167 --> 00:27:48.300 LIKE, HOW DID THAT UNFOLD? 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.966 BECAUSE THAT YOU'RE I'VE SEEN YOU'RE GOOD AT IT, 00:27:51.066 --> 00:27:53.600 BUT IT'S NOT EASY TO PREACH THE GOSPEL. 00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:55.166 ROSS: WELL, YEAH, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. 00:27:55.266 --> 00:27:57.033 I DEFINITELY WAS NOT SCARED. 00:27:57.133 --> 00:27:58.500 LIKE I ALWAYS LOVED TO COMMUNICATE. 00:27:58.600 --> 00:27:59.900 I WASN'T ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WAS LIKE, 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:00.767 DON'T GIVE ME THE STAGE. 00:28:00.867 --> 00:28:02.100 LIKE I WAS OKAY WITH THAT. 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:04.134 BUT IT WAS ALSO A BIG STEP OF FAITH. 00:28:04.234 --> 00:28:05.334 I MEAN, YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND, I HAD NEVER PREACHED 00:28:05.434 --> 00:28:08.234 A DAY IN MY LIFE, LET ALONE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN 00:28:08.334 --> 00:28:09.367 WE SHOW UP AT HUNTINGTON BEACH 00:28:09.467 --> 00:28:11.300 AND IT WAS JUST SUPER WORD OF MOUTH. 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.867 BUT 400 PEOPLE SHOWED UP. 00:28:12.967 --> 00:28:13.567 SO ALL OF A SUDDEN -- 00:28:13.667 --> 00:28:14.833 REBECCA: THAT'S A TON. 00:28:14.933 --> 00:28:16.166 ROSS: YEAH. ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M SITTING THERE LOOKING UP. 00:28:16.266 --> 00:28:17.967 I'M LIKE, WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? 00:28:18.067 --> 00:28:19.900 REBECCA: AND SO YOU HAD YOUR GROUP OF FRIENDS 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:21.534 AND YOU WERE LIKE, WELL, ONE OF US HAS TO PREACH. 00:28:21.634 --> 00:28:23.133 AND SO YOU'RE JUST LIKE, OKAY, I'LL DO IT. 00:28:23.233 --> 00:28:24.234 ROSS: YEAH. 00:28:24.334 --> 00:28:25.334 I MEAN, WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AND, 00:28:25.434 --> 00:28:27.333 AND JOEL PREACHED NIGHT ONE AND THEN NIGHT TWO 00:28:27.433 --> 00:28:29.467 I PREACHED AND I WAS JUST LIKE, OKAY, HERE WE GO. 00:28:29.567 --> 00:28:30.567 GOD, 00:28:30.667 --> 00:28:32.200 LIKE, IF I TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOUR SPIRIT'S IN ME, 00:28:32.300 --> 00:28:33.533 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. 00:28:33.633 --> 00:28:35.633 SO THIS HAS TO BE FULLY SPIRIT-LED. 00:28:35.733 --> 00:28:37.267 REBECCA: WHAT WAS THAT LIKE THAT FIRST TIME? 00:28:37.367 --> 00:28:38.500 ROSS: IT WAS INCREDIBLE. 00:28:38.600 --> 00:28:40.667 I MEAN, I LOOK TO MY LEFT AFTER WE PREACHED THE GOSPEL. 00:28:40.767 --> 00:28:43.033 THERE'S A GUY THERE ON HIS KNEES JUST WEEPING, 00:28:43.133 --> 00:28:44.166 AND I COULD TELL HE WASN'T WITH US. 00:28:44.266 --> 00:28:44.800 I WENT UP TO HIM. 00:28:44.900 --> 00:28:45.934 I SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON? 00:28:46.034 --> 00:28:48.500 HE SAID, I'M DRUG-ADDICTED, ALCOHOL-ADDICTED. 00:28:48.600 --> 00:28:50.333 MY WIFE AND I ARE STRUGGLING IN OUR MARRIAGE. 00:28:50.433 --> 00:28:52.734 HE STANDS UP AFTER GETTING SAVED, LOOKS AT HIS WIFE 00:28:52.834 --> 00:28:55.500 FACE TO FACE AND REPENTS FOR EVERYTHING HE HAD DONE WRONG 00:28:55.600 --> 00:28:56.833 IN HIS MARRIAGE. 00:28:56.933 --> 00:28:58.567 BUT THE SECOND STORY I WANT TO SHARE THAT REALLY STANDS OUT. 00:28:58.667 --> 00:29:02.167 A FIVE-YEAR-OLD GIRL, FIVE YEAR OLDS DON'T KNOW CHRISTIANESE. 00:29:02.267 --> 00:29:04.734 SHE WAS WALKING ON THE BEACH WITH HER MOM. 00:29:04.834 --> 00:29:07.500 SHE HELD ONE OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS FOR 20 MINUTES. 00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:08.834 LIKE HELD ON TO HER. 00:29:08.934 --> 00:29:09.633 IT WAS AWKWARD. 00:29:09.733 --> 00:29:10.834 HER MOM WAS LIKE, WE GOTTA GO. 00:29:10.934 --> 00:29:12.067 LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? 00:29:12.167 --> 00:29:14.133 THIS LITTLE GIRL'S WEEPING AND LIKE, NO, MOM; NO, MOM. 00:29:14.233 --> 00:29:17.400 MY FRIEND, ASKED HER, WHAT ARE YOU FEELING? 00:29:17.500 --> 00:29:18.734 THIS LITTLE FIVE-YEAR-OLD GIRL SAYS, I FEEL 00:29:18.834 --> 00:29:21.933 THE PRESENCE OF GOD. WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THIS, 00:29:22.033 --> 00:29:25.534 REBECCA, YOU CANNOT GO BACK TO NORMAL LIFE. 00:29:25.634 --> 00:29:28.234 YOU SEE THE MOVE OF GOD IN LITERAL PEOPLE 00:29:28.334 --> 00:29:31.167 WHO WERE JUST WALKING ON THE BOARDWALK GET SAVED 00:29:31.267 --> 00:29:32.934 AND ENCOUNTER THE RAW PRESENCE OF GOD. 00:29:33.034 --> 00:29:34.233 IT SHIFTS YOUR LIFE FOREVER. 00:29:34.333 --> 00:29:35.166 REBECCA: DID SHE GET SAVED? 00:29:35.266 --> 00:29:36.067 ROSS: ABSOLUTELY. 00:29:36.167 --> 00:29:37.400 REBECCA: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MOM? 00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:39.533 ROSS: I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW THIS LITTLE GIRL 00:29:39.633 --> 00:29:40.933 WAS WEEPING FOR 20 MINUTES. 00:29:41.033 --> 00:29:42.133 WE HAVE A PICTURE OF IT. 00:29:42.233 --> 00:29:44.033 I SHOULD HAVE SENT IT IN, BUT WE HAVE A PICTURE OF IT 00:29:44.133 --> 00:29:45.700 AND SHE'S LITERALLY HOLDING OUR TEAM MEMBER, 00:29:45.800 --> 00:29:48.367 THIS LITTLE FIVE-YEAR-OLD GIRL JUST WEEPING, 00:29:48.467 --> 00:29:49.300 IT WAS SO INCREDIBLE. 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:50.833 REBECCA: AND THERE ARE THOSE MOMENTS 00:29:50.933 --> 00:29:53.767 THAT CAN BE KIND OF AWKWARD, AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF LEAN INTO IT 00:29:53.867 --> 00:29:56.233 AND JUST TAKE THAT MOMENT AND NOT ALLOW 00:29:56.333 --> 00:29:59.366 LIKE THE FEAR OF MAN OR THE AWKWARDNESS OF THE SITUATION 00:29:59.466 --> 00:30:01.533 STOP YOU FROM MINISTERING. 00:30:01.633 --> 00:30:03.500 HOW, FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, WHO STRUGGLE 00:30:03.600 --> 00:30:06.700 WITH FEAR OF MAN, WHAT WOULD YOUR WORD OF ADVICE BE TO THEM? 00:30:06.800 --> 00:30:10.533 ROSS: OH, MAN, MY WORD OF ADVICE IS SIMPLE, BUT IT MIGHT. 00:30:10.633 --> 00:30:12.033 YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU 00:30:12.133 --> 00:30:16.067 BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, WE DON'T LIKE TALKING ABOUT HELL A LOT. 00:30:16.167 --> 00:30:17.566 REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE. 00:30:17.666 --> 00:30:19.466 ROSS: BUT HELL AND ETERNITY IS A REAL THING. 00:30:19.566 --> 00:30:21.067 SO I'M NOT SAYING JUST STAND ON A CORNER 00:30:21.167 --> 00:30:22.800 AND SHOUT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HELL. 00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:24.000 THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. 00:30:24.100 --> 00:30:26.000 WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHEN I READ THE GREAT COMMISSION, 00:30:26.100 --> 00:30:27.234 YOU KNOW WHAT STANDS OUT? 00:30:27.334 --> 00:30:29.700 I ALMOST GET THIS VISUAL PICTURE THAT AS THE CHURCH, 00:30:29.800 --> 00:30:31.867 AS THE BODY OF BELIEVERS, THE BODY OF CHRIST, 00:30:31.967 --> 00:30:34.367 WE SHOULD STAND ON THAT ROAD, THAT ROAD TO DEATH 00:30:34.467 --> 00:30:35.433 AND DESTRUCTION. 00:30:35.533 --> 00:30:36.933 THE PEOPLE ON, WE SHOULD BE STANDING IN THE WAY 00:30:37.033 --> 00:30:39.833 SAYING, DON'T GO DOWN THIS ROAD. 00:30:39.933 --> 00:30:41.100 WE I HAVE THE SOLUTION. 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:42.733 HIS NAME IS JESUS. 00:30:42.833 --> 00:30:44.900 AND SO I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, IF YOU WANT TO GET OVER 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.100 THE FEAR OF MAN, IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR LIFE. 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.033 YOU HAVE TO START BY JUST DOING IT. 00:30:49.133 --> 00:30:51.266 WHETHER IT'S RIDING A BIKE, WHETHER IT'S WORKING OUT, 00:30:51.366 --> 00:30:53.600 YOU HAVE TO JUST START, AND OVER TIME, 00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:55.733 IT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE NATURAL AND FLOW OUT OF YOU. 00:30:55.833 --> 00:30:57.934 BUT HERE'S ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE. 00:30:58.034 --> 00:31:00.700 IF YOU NEVER OPEN YOUR MOUTH, PEOPLE WON'T GET SAVED. 00:31:00.800 --> 00:31:01.833 HOW DO I KNOW THAT? 00:31:01.933 --> 00:31:04.734 ROMANS 10, IT SAYS, WHO WILL GO AND WHO WILL GO 00:31:04.834 --> 00:31:05.800 IF THEY'RE NOT SENT? 00:31:05.900 --> 00:31:07.467 AND HOW WILL THEY HEAR UNLESS SOMEONE SPEAKS? 00:31:07.567 --> 00:31:09.667 SO MY CHALLENGE TO YOU IS TO LIVE A LIFE LIKE CHRIST. 00:31:09.767 --> 00:31:10.733 THAT'S A TESTIMONY. 00:31:10.833 --> 00:31:13.233 BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO SHARE THE GOSPEL. 00:31:13.333 --> 00:31:16.400 YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO TELL PEOPLE THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS 00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:19.034 AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. 00:31:19.134 --> 00:31:23.533 REBECCA: WAS IT SO YOUR FIRST MEETING WAS LIKE 400 PEOPLE? 00:31:23.633 --> 00:31:25.900 SO WAS IT JUST LIKE, BOOM FROM THE GET GO, OR WERE THERE 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.166 HARD MOMENTS? 00:31:27.266 --> 00:31:29.500 WERE THERE MOMENTS WHERE YOU WEREN'T LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE 00:31:29.600 --> 00:31:31.233 LIKE, WHAT WAS THAT, THE JOURNEY LIKE? 00:31:31.333 --> 00:31:32.267 ROSS: YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, 00:31:32.367 --> 00:31:33.733 THREE, FOUR HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOW UP 00:31:33.833 --> 00:31:36.600 AND WE KIND OF MAINTAINED THAT TWO, THREE HUNDRED RANGE. 00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:38.333 BUT I'LL BE HONEST, WE'VE DONE POP-UP EVENTS 00:31:38.433 --> 00:31:41.200 WHICH ARE MUCH SMALLER WITH TEN, TWENTY PEOPLE 00:31:41.300 --> 00:31:42.566 BECAUSE WE'RE JUST LIKE, LISTEN, NUMBERS MATTER. 00:31:42.666 --> 00:31:43.666 ABSOLUTELY. 00:31:43.766 --> 00:31:46.300 BUT WE JUST KNOW THAT THE TIME IS SO CRITICAL 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.233 AND WE BELIEVE GOD GAVE US TWO WEAPONS: 00:31:48.300 --> 00:31:51.266 THE PROCLAMATION OF THE GOSPEL AND THE SOUND OF WORSHIP. 00:31:51.366 --> 00:31:53.033 SO WE'VE DONE THINGS ON THE HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME. 00:31:53.133 --> 00:31:54.633 WE'VE DONE TENDERLOIN SAN FRANCISCO, 00:31:54.733 --> 00:31:55.967 WE'VE DONE BEAUTIFUL ORANGE COUNTY. 00:31:56.067 --> 00:31:59.033 I MEAN, WE'VE DONE EVERY ATMOSPHERE YOU CAN IMAGINE. 00:31:59.133 --> 00:32:01.567 BUT THEN A FEW MONTHS AGO, IT JUST BROKE OUT. 00:32:01.667 --> 00:32:04.167 WE DECIDED TO DO AN EVENT ON THE HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME, 00:32:04.267 --> 00:32:07.066 AND WITHIN TWO WEEKS, WE PULLED THIS EVENT OFF. 00:32:07.166 --> 00:32:08.867 THERE WAS A POLICE SERGEANT IN THE LAPD 00:32:08.967 --> 00:32:10.367 WHO MADE SOME CALLS FOR US. 00:32:10.467 --> 00:32:12.866 NEXT THING I KNOW, WE SHOW UP THERE AND CLOSE TO 00:32:12.966 --> 00:32:16.467 2,000 CHRISTIANS SHOW UP ON THE HOLLYWOOD WALK OF FAME. 00:32:16.567 --> 00:32:19.934 REBECCA: HOW DID YOU NOT ALLOW THE NUMBERS TO GET TO YOUR HEAD, 00:32:20.034 --> 00:32:21.600 WHETHER HIGH OR LOW? 00:32:21.700 --> 00:32:23.866 ROSS: I THINK REALLY STARTING WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE, 00:32:23.966 --> 00:32:25.400 TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU. 00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.733 YEAH, WELL, LET ME SAY, LET ME BACKTRACK EVEN FURTHER 00:32:27.833 --> 00:32:29.067 BEFORE I EVER HAD A STAGE OR A MIC, 00:32:29.167 --> 00:32:30.500 I DIDN'T EVEN WANT THE STAGE OR THE MIC. 00:32:30.600 --> 00:32:33.733 I WAS JUST AT SPROUTS TARGET, THE GYM, 00:32:33.833 --> 00:32:36.066 MEXICAN RESTAURANTS, JUST LOVING ON PEOPLE, 00:32:36.166 --> 00:32:38.200 PROPHESYING OVER PEOPLE, PREACHING THE GOSPEL. 00:32:38.300 --> 00:32:40.834 AND THEN NEXT THING I KNOW, IT'S LIKE A VEIL WAS LIFTED FROM THAT 00:32:40.934 --> 00:32:43.634 AND GOD SAID, NOW DO THIS IN THE PUBLIC PLACE. 00:32:43.734 --> 00:32:46.133 SO I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE START WITH WHEREVER YOU'RE AT; 00:32:46.233 --> 00:32:48.833 YOUR WORKPLACE, YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, 00:32:48.933 --> 00:32:50.800 IF GOD SO HAPPENS TO GIVE YOU A STAGE OR A MIC, AMEN. 00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:52.400 BUT IF HE DOESN'T, GUESS WHAT? 00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:53.700 AMEN. 00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:55.766 REBECCA: YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT MATTERS IS YOU BEING OBEDIENT 00:32:55.866 --> 00:32:57.000 TO GOD. 00:32:57.100 --> 00:32:59.567 WHAT IS ON YOUR HEART RIGHT NOW? 00:32:59.667 --> 00:33:02.566 LIKE WHAT IS GOD BURDENING IN YOU? 00:33:02.666 --> 00:33:03.533 ROSS: YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT UP, 00:33:03.633 --> 00:33:05.134 WHICH I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU KNEW THIS. 00:33:05.234 --> 00:33:06.500 BUT ON SUNDAY. 00:33:06.600 --> 00:33:10.434 SO A FEW DAYS AGO, I ACTUALLY SHARED ON THE GROAN IN ROMANS 8 00:33:10.534 --> 00:33:13.200 AND HOW ALL CREATION, ROMANS 8 SAYS, 00:33:13.300 --> 00:33:15.566 IS GROANING FOR THE DAY THAT THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD 00:33:15.666 --> 00:33:16.600 WILL BE REVEALED. 00:33:16.700 --> 00:33:18.900 IT ALSO SAYS, AS BELIEVERS, WE GROAN 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:20.900 BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A FORETASTE OF THE FUTURE GLORY 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.334 THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT. 00:33:22.434 --> 00:33:24.934 SO I BELIEVE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH 00:33:25.034 --> 00:33:27.000 AS THINGS INTENSIFY IN THE PUBLIC PLACE 00:33:27.100 --> 00:33:29.633 AND IN THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH, WE AS CHRISTIANS, 00:33:29.733 --> 00:33:31.900 WE MUST INTENSIFY IN THE SECRET PLACE. 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.400 HERE'S ONE THING I DO KNOW: WE CANNOT MATCH THE INTENSITY 00:33:35.500 --> 00:33:37.733 IN THE NATURAL WITH SOFTNESS IN THE SPIRIT. 00:33:37.833 --> 00:33:40.633 SO I BELIEVE GOD IS BEGINNING TO BIRTH THESE GROANS. 00:33:40.733 --> 00:33:41.967 ROSS, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? 00:33:42.067 --> 00:33:44.534 HE'S BEGINNING TO GROW THIS HUNGER WHERE WE'RE SAYING 00:33:44.634 --> 00:33:47.600 AS THE CHURCH, NOTHING ELSE WILL DO. 00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:48.633 I'VE TASTED THE WORLD. 00:33:48.733 --> 00:33:50.166 I HAVE THE BLESSING OF GOD. 00:33:50.266 --> 00:33:50.800 AMEN. 00:33:50.900 --> 00:33:52.166 THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS. 00:33:52.266 --> 00:33:55.400 BUT, GOD, I NEED YOUR PRESENCE, YOUR TANGIBLE, MANIFEST PRESENCE 00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:57.433 IN ME, THROUGH ME, AND AROUND ME. 00:33:57.533 --> 00:34:00.034 AND WHEN THAT GROAN BEGINS TO BE RELEASED BY THE CHURCH, 00:34:00.134 --> 00:34:03.366 IT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T EVEN THINK WE FULLY UNDERSTAND. 00:34:03.466 --> 00:34:06.666 AND SO I'M BURNING FOR THE BODY OF CHRIST TO BEGIN TO GROAN 00:34:06.766 --> 00:34:08.566 IN HUNGER FOR GOD ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE. 00:34:08.666 --> 00:34:11.433 REBECCA: YEAH, TO PUT GOD FIRST AND TO REALLY SEEK HIM 00:34:11.533 --> 00:34:12.600 IN PRIVATE. 00:34:12.700 --> 00:34:15.134 BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEEK HIM IN PRIVATE, IT WILL CHANGE 00:34:15.234 --> 00:34:17.700 EVERYTHING OUT IN PUBLIC AND I THINK WE CAN GET SO CAUGHT UP 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:19.433 IN MINISTRY AND LIFE. 00:34:19.533 --> 00:34:22.134 PEOPLE, ALL THE OUTSIDE STUFF, AND WE NEGLECT 00:34:22.234 --> 00:34:24.400 THE M-WORD LIFE. 00:34:24.500 --> 00:34:26.467 WHAT WOULD YOUR ADVICE BE TO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING? 00:34:26.567 --> 00:34:29.533 HOW DO THEY DEVELOP THAT IN THEIR LIFE? 00:34:29.633 --> 00:34:32.400 ROSS: IT'S NOT PRETTY, IT'S NOT ALWAYS CUTE. 00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:34.334 IT DOESN'T ALWAYS FEEL LIKE ANYTHING. 00:34:34.434 --> 00:34:35.600 LISTEN, I'M A DEEP FEELER. 00:34:35.700 --> 00:34:37.100 I LOVE WHEN I FEEL THE PRESENCE OF GOD. 00:34:37.200 --> 00:34:40.366 I'M LIKE, OH, THIS IS SO GREAT, BUT WHO ARE THE ONES 00:34:40.466 --> 00:34:42.633 WHO CAN BURN WHEN THEY DON'T FEEL A THING? 00:34:42.733 --> 00:34:45.333 WHO ARE THE ONES WHO WILL PRAY, PREACH THE GOSPEL 00:34:45.433 --> 00:34:46.867 WHEN THERE'S NO CAMERAS ON THEM? 00:34:46.967 --> 00:34:50.200 WHEN THERE'S NO EYEBALLS ON THEM, WHEN IT SAYS THEM IN GOD. 00:34:50.300 --> 00:34:52.933 AND SO MY ENCOURAGEMENT TO MY GENERATION, TO ANY GENERATION, 00:34:53.033 --> 00:34:55.634 IS WHO IS WILLING TO FORSAKE 00:34:55.734 --> 00:34:58.833 ALL THE THINGS OF THIS WORLD, EVEN THE GOOD THINGS TO SAY, 00:34:58.933 --> 00:35:01.466 GOD, YOU ARE MY ONE THING. 00:35:01.566 --> 00:35:03.767 YOU ARE THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT. 00:35:03.867 --> 00:35:05.100 I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY IT LIKE THIS: 00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:08.767 WHEN THE PRESENCE OF GOD BECOMES THE GREATEST DESIRE OF YOUR LIFE 00:35:08.867 --> 00:35:11.200 THE PLEASURES OF THE WORLD WILL DIE IN YOUR LIFE. 00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:12.500 REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE. 00:35:12.600 --> 00:35:14.333 ROSS: SO IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING, OR MAYBE YOU JUST WANT MORE, 00:35:14.433 --> 00:35:15.500 GET INTO THE SECRET PLACE. 00:35:15.600 --> 00:35:18.067 SHUT THE DOOR BEHIND YOU AND CRY OUT TO GOD 00:35:18.167 --> 00:35:20.333 UNTIL SOMETHING SHIFTS IN YOUR HEART AND IN YOUR LIFE. 00:35:20.433 --> 00:35:21.934 REBECCA: IF WE SEEK HIM, WE WILL FIND HIM. 00:35:22.034 --> 00:35:23.233 IT'S SO TRUE. 00:35:23.333 --> 00:35:24.500 IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRIORITY. 00:35:24.600 --> 00:35:27.233 IT'S A MATTER OF TIME, AND IT'S A MATTER OF DESPERATION, 00:35:27.333 --> 00:35:27.867 YOU KNOW? 00:35:27.967 --> 00:35:28.767 HOW HUNGRY ARE YOU? 00:35:28.867 --> 00:35:30.067 HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT IT? 00:35:30.167 --> 00:35:31.266 AND, YOU KNOW. 00:35:31.366 --> 00:35:32.900 YEAH, IT'S SUCH A GOOD WORD. 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.800 WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS FOR GEN Z, WHAT DO YOU THINK 00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:38.700 ABOUT THAT UPCOMING GENERATION? 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:39.767 ROSS: WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. 00:35:39.867 --> 00:35:42.066 I JUST FOUND THIS OUT A FEW MONTHS AGO. 00:35:42.166 --> 00:35:45.600 IS THAT LETTER Z IN HEBREW, WHICH MOST OF THE BIBLE 00:35:45.700 --> 00:35:47.200 IS WRITTEN IN, OR A GOOD MAJORITY OF IT 00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:51.233 ACTUALLY STANDS FOR A SWORD OR A WEAPON OR TO BE ARMED. 00:35:51.333 --> 00:35:52.434 REBECCA: OH, WOW. 00:35:52.534 --> 00:35:56.566 ROSS: SO I'M BELIEVING, COULD GEN Z BE A GENERATION 00:35:56.666 --> 00:35:59.500 THAT IS A SWORD OR WEAPON IN THE HAND OF GOD 00:35:59.600 --> 00:36:03.200 TO PUSH BACK THE DARKNESS AND THE HEAVINESS UPON THE NATIONS 00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:04.200 OF THE EARTH? 00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:06.100 SO THAT'S WHAT I'M BELIEVING GEN Z, 00:36:06.200 --> 00:36:08.567 WILL YOU WAKE UP TO YOUR IDENTITY? 00:36:08.667 --> 00:36:12.400 BECAUSE HERE'S THE TRUTH: GOD LOVES TO USE THE GENERATIONS 00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:14.100 AND THEY ARE THE NEXT GENERATION. 00:36:14.200 --> 00:36:15.633 BUT WHO WILL SAY YES? 00:36:15.733 --> 00:36:17.800 AND WHO WILL WAKE UP TO THE CALL OF GOD ON THEIR LIFE? 00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:23.100 REBECCA: WHAT ABOUT THE LGBTQ YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, 00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:25.833 BECAUSE YOU COME FROM, YOU KNOW, A GAY HOME? 00:36:25.933 --> 00:36:28.266 SO YOU HAVE AN ABILITY TO SPEAK INTO THAT SITUATION. 00:36:28.366 --> 00:36:29.933 WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT COMMUNITY 00:36:30.033 --> 00:36:31.700 AND WHAT YOU THINK GOD HAS FOR THEM? 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:33.034 ROSS: ABSOLUTELY. 00:36:33.134 --> 00:36:35.100 I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE GOD'S GIVEN ME A FEW KEYS AS THE CHURCH 00:36:35.200 --> 00:36:37.634 THAT WE CAN REALLY USE TO REACH THAT COMMUNITY. 00:36:37.734 --> 00:36:39.500 BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK OF THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY 00:36:39.600 --> 00:36:42.133 AND THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, YOU TYPICALLY DON'T THINK OF 00:36:42.233 --> 00:36:44.034 A GREAT RELATIONSHIP, RIGHT? 00:36:44.134 --> 00:36:45.233 AND HERE'S THE DEAL. 00:36:45.333 --> 00:36:47.933 IT'S REALLY EASY TO POST ONLINE AND TO POST OPINIONS 00:36:48.033 --> 00:36:49.800 AND POLITICS, WHICH I'M NOT AGAINST THOSE THINGS, 00:36:49.900 --> 00:36:51.066 BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 00:36:51.166 --> 00:36:53.433 JESUS SAT AT THE TABLE WITH THE PROSTITUTES. 00:36:53.533 --> 00:36:55.767 HE SAT AT THE TABLE WITH THE TAX COLLECTORS. 00:36:55.867 --> 00:36:58.433 SO IF YOU'RE WILLING TO SHARE YOUR OPINION 00:36:58.533 --> 00:37:00.400 AND TO SHARE YOUR BELIEFS, AMEN. 00:37:00.500 --> 00:37:02.700 BUT IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO INVITE THEM INTO YOUR HOUSE 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.100 TO ACTUALLY DO LIFE WITH THEM AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS 00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:06.933 WITH THEM, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG THERE. 00:37:07.033 --> 00:37:09.434 BECAUSE HERE'S THE DEAL: THE ISSUE IS NOT THEIR BELIEF 00:37:09.534 --> 00:37:10.667 OR THEIR LIFESTYLE. 00:37:10.767 --> 00:37:13.033 THAT'S JUST AN EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING HAPPENING INWARD. 00:37:13.133 --> 00:37:15.700 SO AS BELIEVERS, WE HAVE TO BE LIKE PAUL. 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:17.533 WE CAN'T JUST SEE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US. 00:37:17.633 --> 00:37:20.533 WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN'T EVEN SEE IN THE SPIRIT. 00:37:20.633 --> 00:37:22.267 SO I ENCOURAGE US AS THE CHURCH, 00:37:22.367 --> 00:37:24.466 ARE WE WILLING TO ACTUALLY BUILD FRIENDSHIP? 00:37:24.566 --> 00:37:26.167 BUILD RELATIONSHIPS DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO AGREE, 00:37:26.267 --> 00:37:27.433 DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO AFFIRM. 00:37:27.533 --> 00:37:28.567 BUT WHAT IT MEANS IS 00:37:28.667 --> 00:37:30.467 ARE WE WILLING TO ACTUALLY HEAR THEIR HEART? 00:37:30.567 --> 00:37:32.433 MOST PEOPLE DID NOT BECOME A PART OF THAT COMMUNITY 00:37:32.533 --> 00:37:33.667 OVERNIGHT. 00:37:33.767 --> 00:37:36.234 THEY HAD A TRAUMA ISSUE, HURT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 00:37:36.334 --> 00:37:37.533 BUT GUESS WHAT? 00:37:37.633 --> 00:37:39.933 I HAVE FOUND THAT WHEN YOU BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE 00:37:40.033 --> 00:37:41.533 AND THEY SEE YOU'RE AUTHENTIC, 00:37:41.633 --> 00:37:43.600 THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION. 00:37:43.700 --> 00:37:46.100 AND IF WE CAN GET IN REAL CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE, 00:37:46.200 --> 00:37:47.566 NOT SHOUTING MATCHES. 00:37:47.666 --> 00:37:49.900 NOT BELIEF IN IDEOLOGY MATCHES. 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.933 NO, NO, NO, RELATIONAL VALUE I BELIEVE THEN WITH THE SPIRIT 00:37:54.033 --> 00:37:55.767 OF GOD WILL MOVE UPON AN ENTIRE PEOPLE GROUP 00:37:55.867 --> 00:37:58.267 TO SAVE THEM THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST. 00:37:58.367 --> 00:37:59.034 REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD. 00:37:59.134 --> 00:37:59.900 FINAL QUESTION. 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.334 WHY CALIFORNIA? 00:38:01.434 --> 00:38:02.700 ROSS: SO SIMPLE. 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.167 WE KNOW THAT CALIFORNIA IS A LAND OF REVIVAL. 00:38:05.267 --> 00:38:07.633 AZUSA STREET. AIMEE SEMPLE MCPHERSON. 00:38:07.733 --> 00:38:08.800 JESUS PEOPLE MOVEMENT. 00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:11.233 BILLY GRAHAM'S MINISTRY WAS BIRTHED IN CALIFORNIA. 00:38:11.333 --> 00:38:14.167 SEE, WHATEVER HAPPENS IN CALIFORNIA GETS EXPORTED 00:38:14.267 --> 00:38:15.400 TO THE WHOLE WORLD. 00:38:15.500 --> 00:38:16.666 SO WE'VE BEEN SAYING IT LIKE THIS. 00:38:16.766 --> 00:38:19.333 WHEREVER CALIFORNIA GOES, THE WORLD WILL GO. 00:38:19.433 --> 00:38:22.534 AND IF THE NAME OF JESUS GOES VIRAL IN CALIFORNIA, 00:38:22.634 --> 00:38:25.400 WHICH IT WILL, IT WILL GO VIRAL TO THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH. 00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:27.734 AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE SEE THAT, WE'LL SEE ONE OF 00:38:27.834 --> 00:38:30.267 THE GREATEST REVIVALS IN ALL OF MANKIND. 00:38:30.367 --> 00:38:31.433 REBECCA: SO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE 00:38:31.533 --> 00:38:33.367 A GREAT REVIVAL THERE, AND GOD'S NOT DONE. 00:38:33.467 --> 00:38:34.866 ROSS: I'M ALREADY SEEING IT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE 00:38:34.966 --> 00:38:36.767 IT'S GOING TO STOP ANYTIME SOON. 00:38:36.867 --> 00:38:37.867 REBECCA: THAT'S AMAZING. 00:38:37.967 --> 00:38:40.067 WELL, I JUST WANT YOU TO LEAD OUT WITH JUST A WORD 00:38:40.167 --> 00:38:42.000 OF ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, 00:38:42.100 --> 00:38:44.267 TO THE PEOPLE WHO FEEL STIRRED WITHIN THEIR SPIRITS, 00:38:44.367 --> 00:38:46.233 AND THIS IS RESONATING WITH THEM. 00:38:46.333 --> 00:38:47.500 ROSS: YEAH. 00:38:47.600 --> 00:38:49.367 THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, IT'S THE SPIRIT OF REVIVAL. 00:38:49.467 --> 00:38:50.400 WHAT IT IS, IT'S THREE THINGS. 00:38:50.500 --> 00:38:52.567 NUMBER ONE, IT'S THE CHURCH BEING REVIVED 00:38:52.667 --> 00:38:54.133 BACK TO FIRST LOVE FOR JESUS. 00:38:54.233 --> 00:38:56.433 NUMBER TWO, IT'S PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW JESUS 00:38:56.533 --> 00:38:58.067 BEING REVIVED BACK TO LIFE THROUGH HIM. 00:38:58.167 --> 00:39:00.233 AND THREE IS THE REFORMATION OF SOCIETY. 00:39:00.333 --> 00:39:03.633 SO I JUST PRAY THAT THAT SPIRIT OF REVIVAL WOULD HIT THE CHURCH, 00:39:03.733 --> 00:39:06.233 HIT NONBELIEVERS, AND HIT OUR SOCIETY 00:39:06.333 --> 00:39:09.266 TO GLORIFY JESUS BECAUSE HIS PRESENCE IS 00:39:09.366 --> 00:39:10.833 THE GREATEST THING KNOWN TO MAN. 00:39:10.933 --> 00:39:12.400 SO THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE FOR OUR GENERATION. 00:39:12.500 --> 00:39:13.633 REBECCA: AMEN. 00:39:13.733 --> 00:39:16.400 WELL, ROSS, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET CONNECTED TO YOU 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.166 AND YOUR MINISTRY, WHERE CAN THEY FIND YOU? 00:39:18.266 --> 00:39:19.967 ROSS: THE BEST WAY IS YOUTUBE AND INSTAGRAM. 00:39:20.067 --> 00:39:22.800 @ROSSJOHNSTONN WITH TWO N'S AT THE END. 00:39:22.900 --> 00:39:24.000 I WOULD LOVE TO CONNECT. 00:39:24.100 --> 00:39:26.100 WE'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR STORY AND THAT'S THE BEST PLACE 00:39:26.200 --> 00:39:27.933 TO STAY UP TO DATE WITH ALL THAT I'M DOING. 00:39:28.033 --> 00:39:29.300 REBECCA: OKAY, AWESOME. 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.334 WELL, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ROLL OUT, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO 00:39:32.434 --> 00:39:34.100 JUST SAY A PRAYER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING. 00:39:34.200 --> 00:39:37.300 JUST RELEASE WHAT'S EVER IN YOUR SPIRIT FOR THE PEOPLE. 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:38.733 ROSS: GOD, I JUST PRAY RIGHT NOW, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD 00:39:38.833 --> 00:39:42.466 BEGIN TO INCREASE THE GROAN ON THE BODY OF CHRIST, 00:39:42.566 --> 00:39:45.600 HOLY SPIRIT, THAT YOU BEGIN TO GROW OUR HUNGER 00:39:45.700 --> 00:39:49.800 TO SUCH A CAPACITY THAT WE'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED BEFORE. 00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:53.700 AND I PRAY RIGHT NOW FOR ANY LESSER LOVER IN ANY GOOD THING 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:55.433 THAT HAS TAKEN PRIORITY IN OUR LIVES. 00:39:55.533 --> 00:39:57.867 GOD, THAT YOU WOULD MOVE IT OUT OF THE WAY 00:39:57.967 --> 00:40:01.400 AND THAT YOUR PRESENCE, YOUR WORD, YOUR SPIRIT WOULD BE 00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:03.333 OUR NUMBER ONE PURSUIT OF OUR LIVES. 00:40:03.433 --> 00:40:07.667 AND SO I JUST DECLARE ANY APATHY OR HEARTBREAK OR DIAPPOINTMENT 00:40:07.767 --> 00:40:10.700 TO BE BROKEN OFF YOU BY THE ANOINTING OF GOD. 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.733 AND I DECLARE LASTLY, THAT WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS, 00:40:13.833 --> 00:40:15.866 THERE IS FREEDOM. 00:40:15.966 --> 00:40:18.800 AND SO I RELEASE FREEDOM TO ANY PERSON WATCHING 00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:23.500 IN ANY SINGLE AREA BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS. 00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:25.933 AND WE PRAY THESE THINGS IN JESUS' NAME. 00:40:26.033 --> 00:40:26.500 AMEN. 00:40:26.600 --> 00:40:27.200 REBECCA: AMEN. 00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:29.233 ROSS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 00:40:29.333 --> 00:40:30.400 ROSS: SUCH AN HONOR TO BE HERE.