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REBECCA: HEY, GUYS, WELCOME
TO<i>THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.</i>

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I'M VERY EXCITED TODAY
BECAUSE WE ARE JOINED BY

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SOMEONE WHO IS
VERY TALENTED.

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I'M TALKING ABOUT
VICTORY BOYD,

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GRAMMY AWARD-WINNING
ARTIST, SINGER,

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SONGWRITER, PRODUCER.

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VICTORY, WELCOME TO
THE SHOW.

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VICTORY: THANKS FOR
HAVING ME, REBECCA.

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REBECCA: I'M HONORED
TO HAVE YOU HERE.

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I'M HONORED TO GET
INTO YOUR STORY.

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AND I GOT TO SAY, I
LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

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I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE
DOING IN THE INDUSTRY.

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I LOVE THAT YOU'RE
PIONEERING AND MAKING A WAY

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FOR THE ARTISTS THAT ARE,
THAT ARE GOING TO BE

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COMING UP FROM BEHIND.

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AND I WANT TO GET
INTO ALL THAT,

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BUT LET'S START
FROM THE BEGINNING.

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TELL US YOUR TESTIMONY.

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VICTORY: WELL, I AM ONE OF
NINE SIBLINGS, AND

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I WAS BORN IN THE SUBURB
OF DETROIT, MICHIGAN.

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AND MY PARENTS ARE PEOPLE
OF FAITH, STRONG VISION,

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STRONG COMMITMENT
TO THE LORD.

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THEY STARTED AN OUTREACH
MINISTRY USING

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THE PRESENTATION OF MUSIC,

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BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF
LEADING THE YOUTH IN THE

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CITY OF DETROIT.

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NOT ONLY CHRIST, BUT ALSO

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A LIFESTYLE OF
GROWING IN HIM,

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BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF
BEING A CHOIR, YOU KNOW,

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IN THE CONTEXT OF COMING
TO CHOIR PRACTICE.

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AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO
THIS COMMUNITY CHOIR,

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IT'S CALLED THE BOYS AND
GIRLS CHOIRS OF DETROIT.

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AND, YOU KNOW,
DURING THE 90S,

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WHEN THEY FOUNDED
THE CHOIR,

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A LOT OF KIDS WERE
LIKE JOINING GANGS

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AND THE DRUGS WERE
AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH.

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YOU HAD THE PRISON
INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX GROWING

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AT A RAPID RATE BECAUSE
OF CERTAIN LAWS THAT,

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YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LAW
CALLED THREE STRIKES,

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YOU'RE OUT.

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SO IF YOU GET CAUGHT
WITH DRUGS THREE TIMES,

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YOU'RE LOCKED
UP IN PRISON FOR LIFE.

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AND SO A LOT OF KIDS WERE
BEING LOCKED UP FOR LIFE.

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AND SO THAT WAS THE
CONTEXT THAT MY PARENTS

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STARTED THIS MINISTRY.

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BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY

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MARKETED AS A MINISTRY.

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IT'S A CHOIR, YOU KNOW,
AND I REALLY THINK THAT

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THAT PLAYED A BIG ROLE
IN, YOU KNOW, JUST MY,

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MY UPBRINGING, AND BEING
ABLE TO EXIST WITH

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A MINISTRY IN A
SECULAR SPACE AND,

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BUT USING LANGUAGE THAT,
THAT ALLOWS IT TO RESONATE

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WITH PEOPLE THAT DON'T
NECESSARILY BELIEVE

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IN THE GOSPEL,

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OR THEY DON'T HAVE A
RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS,

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THEY TOO CAN
STILL BE MINISTERED TO

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AND PARTAKE IN THE
MUSIC AND BE SERVED.

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SO, YEAH, THAT WAS ME.

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I GOT TO JOIN THAT CHOIR
WHEN I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD.

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REBECCA: WOW.

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VICTORY: AND SO
EVENTUALLY THE CHOIR,

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OUR PARENTS EXPANDED IT
TO A STATEWIDE CHOIR.

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SO IT WENT FROM JUST
BEING FOR THE COMMUNITY

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FOR THE KIDS IN DETROIT,
TO IN CITIES ALL OVER

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THE STATE OF MICHIGAN.

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AND SO, LIKE EVERY
DAY OF THE WEEK,

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WE WERE IN A --

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WE HAD A REHEARSAL IN
A DIFFERENT

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PART OF THE STATE
OF MICHIGAN.

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REBECCA: WOW.

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VICTORY: I'M PROBABLY NINE
YEARS OLD BY THE TIME THIS

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IS MY SCHEDULE, BUT
IT WASN'T JUST ME.

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IT WAS ME AND MY BROTHERS
AND SISTERS AND OUR,

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IT WAS OUR FAMILY BUSINESS,
BUT IT WASN'T QUITE

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NECESSARILY IN THE
COMMERCIAL MUSIC INDUSTRY.

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IT WAS MORE SO DEVELOPMENT
AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT,

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AN OUTREACH KIND
OF KIND OF SPACE.

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I, AS FAR AS I
CAN REMEMBER,

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I LOVED THE LORD AND I
REALLY HAD A SINCERE YES

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TO THE LORD.

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BUT AT THE SAME TIME,

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IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T
NECESSARILY KNOW

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WHAT THAT MEANS PER SE,
YOU JUST BELIEVE BECAUSE

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THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TOLD.

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AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S
YOU GET TO A POINT WHEN

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YOU BELIEVE BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED.

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AND SO I DIDN'T
GET TO A PLACE OF,

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I BELIEVE BECAUSE
THIS IS MY,

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THIS IS WHAT JESUS

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PERSONALLY HAS
DONE FOR ME,

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AND THIS IS WHAT
I'VE EXPERIENCED.

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AND THIS IS WHY
I BELIEVE IN HIM,

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BECAUSE I'VE TASTED AND
SEEN AND BEEN DELIVERED

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AND LIKE ALL THESE THINGS.

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I DIDN'T REALLY GET TO
THAT POINT

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UNTIL I WAS, OR --
NO, 18 YEARS OLD.

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I, YOU KNOW, AND
HERE'S THE THING.

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YOU COULDN'T TELL ME
THAT I DIDN'T KNOW JESUS,

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BECAUSE MY WHOLE
LIFE WAS ENTRENCHED

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IN MINISTRY AND OUTREACH,
AND MY WHOLE LIFE WAS

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ENTRENCHED IN
MUSIC, SINGING,

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SINGING THE GOSPEL,
SINGING HYMNS,

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SINGING THE WORD.

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AND ALSO GOING TO CHURCH,
SINGING IN CHURCH,

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ATTENDING CHURCH, BIBLE
STUDIES, ALL THE THINGS.

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IT WASN'T UNTIL, AT
18 YEARS OLD, I, I,

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I WAS IN THIS
TRAUMATIC ACCIDENT,

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THIS BICYCLE ACCIDENT.

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I WAS EJECTED FROM THE
BIKE ONTO MY FACE,

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AND I BROKE MY JAW.

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REBECCA: OH, NO.

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VICTORY: YEAH, I BROKE MY
ARM AND I LOST TEETH

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AND MY FACE WAS
DISFIGURED.

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I JUST REMEMBER BEING
THERE ON THE GROUND

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SCREAMING, AND, THE
AMBULANCE CAME,

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AND THEY'RE TRYING TO
IDENTIFY WHO I AM.

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I SAY I COULDN'T PULL
MYSELF TO SAY MY NAME

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BECAUSE MY NAME
IS VICTORY.

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AND CLEARLY, I
WASN'T VICTORIOUS.

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REBECCA: THAT WASN'T A
VERY VICTORIOUS MOMENT,

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IT FELT LIKE.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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IT FELT LIKE I
LOST MY IDENTITY.

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I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO I
AM AND PLEASE STOP ASKING ME

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TO IDENTIFY MYSELF
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW

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TO IDENTIFY MYSELF.

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AND SO IT --

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THIS PROCESS OF MY IDENTITY

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BEING SHATTERED,
YOU KNOW,

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BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST
HOW I PHYSICALLY LOOKED.

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THEY HAD TO WIRE
MY MOUTH SHUT.

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I'VE BEEN SINGING SINCE
I'M FOUR YEARS OLD.

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MY WHOLE IDENTITY IS
WRAPPED UP IN THE FACT

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THAT I CAN STAND UP THERE
ON STAGE AND BRING DOWN

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THE HOUSE, AND NOW MY
MOUTH IS WIRED SHUT.

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YOU KNOW, AND MY
ARM WAS BROKEN.

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YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T
PLAY THE GUITAR ANYMORE,

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YOU KNOW, AND SO I LOST --

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I FELT LIKE I
LOST MY IDENTITY,

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BUT IT TAKES LOSING YOUR
IDENTITY TO FIND CHRIST'S

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IDENTITY AS YOUR OWN.

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REBECCA: YEAH, YOUR
REAL IDENTITY.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

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AND IT REALLY
TOOK THIS PROCESS OF --

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IT'S LIKE PAUL SAYS, IT
IS NO LONGER I WHO LIVE,

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BUT CHRIST WHO
LIVES IN ME.

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AND SURE, WE CAN KNOW
THAT IN HEAD KNOWLEDGE.

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BUT THEN TO
EXPERIENCE, OH,

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IT'S NO LONGER I, LIKE
LITERALLY THERE'S NOTHING

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LEFT OF VICTORY,
BUT THERE'S

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THIS FREE GIFT OF CHRIST.

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AND WHEN I SAY FREE,
THAT DOESN'T MEAN

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THAT IT WASN'T COSTLY.

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IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT
COSTLY TO US BECAUSE IT'S

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FREELY GIVEN TO US.

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BUT IT'S VERY LIKE
THE ENTIRETY OF

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THE LIFE OF CHRIST,

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I GOT TO RECEIVE
AS MY IDENTITY,

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LIKE ALL THAT HE IS,
IS WHO I AM.

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NOW, THERE WAS NO AMOUNT OF
TEACHINGS THAT COULD HAVE

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HELPED ME EXPERIENCE
THAT TO BE MY REALITY.

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I HAD TO WALK IT,
I HAD TO LIVE IT,

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AND I HAD TO BECOME IT.

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AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS AT 18,
I'M JUST LIKE,

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OH MY GOODNESS, THERE
IS NOTHING

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MORE POWERFUL THAN CHRIST.

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THERE'S NOTHING MORE
BEAUTIFUL THAN CHRIST.

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THERE IS NOTHING MORE
VICTORIOUS THAN CHRIST.

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AND ALL THAT HE IS,

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I AM.

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REBECCA: WOW.

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VICTORY: AND I WAS
FILLED WITH THIS JOY.

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THIS LIKE, OH MY
GOSH, I AM VICTORY.

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BECAUSE HE IS VICTORY AND
HE MADE ME VICTORY

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LIKE I JUST
COULDN'T STOP.

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I COULDN'T CONTAIN WHAT
HE HAS DONE FOR ME.

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AND I JUST WANTED TO TELL
EVERYBODY AND PEOPLE

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WOULDN'T LISTEN
TO ME BECAUSE --

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AND I FIGURED, YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE ARE NOT LISTENING

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TO ME BECAUSE I DON'T
LOOK LIKE I KNOW,

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KNOW ANYTHING.

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I'M, I'M BUSTED UP LIKE, I
DON'T LOOK LIKE A VICTOR,

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YOU KNOW, LIKE PEOPLE
NEED TO SEE VICTORY.

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LIKE IN ORDER TO LISTEN,

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IN ORDER TO FEEL AS IF
YOU HAVE MERITS BEHIND

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WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

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AND SO, YOU KNOW,
I JUST REMEMBER,

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EVEN JUST IN THE HOSPITAL
TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT

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JESUS AND, YOU KNOW,
ALL THIS WE'RE DOING,

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STRIVING, TRYING TO BECOME
VICTORIOUS AND TRYING TO

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BE STRONG AND TRYING.

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LIKE, WHAT IF WE
COULD JUST

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RECEIVE IT FOR
FREE FROM CHRIST?

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LIKE ALL THESE THINGS.

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AND I GOT TURNED DOWN
ENOUGH TIMES TO BE LIKE,

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OKAY, THIS IS NOT WORKING.

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AND THAT'S WHEN THE LORD
SHOWED ME THAT HE WANTS ME

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TO USE MUSIC AS A TOOL TO
EXPLAIN WHAT HE'S DONE FOR ME.

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HE WANTS ME TO USE MUSIC
AS A TOOL TO GROW IN

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STATURE AND NOTORIETY,
AND EVEN FAME.

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SO THAT WHEN I'M IN THESE
HIGH PLACES OF INFLUENCE

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AND PEOPLE ARE
LISTENING TO ME,

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THE WORDS I SAY ARE
ACTUALLY GOING FORTH AND

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IMPACTING AND
BEING PLANTED

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AND BEING RECEIVED.

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AND SO THAT KIND OF PUT
THIS LIKE, ALL RIGHT,

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THEY'RE GOING -- Y'ALL
GONNA HEAR ME?

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: KIND OF,
KIND OF THING,

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LIKE YOU'RE IGNORING ME NOW,

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BUT WATCH, YOU'RE GOING
TO SEE THE GLORY OF GOD

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MANIFEST IN MY LIFE,
IN MY MUSIC.

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SO I CREATED THIS, THIS
THING WHERE I'M GOING TO

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BE THE BEST ARTIST
IN THE WORLD.

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LIKE EVERY SONG, EVERY
LIKE THE CHORDS THE --

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I DEVELOPED THIS FIXATION
ON BECOMING MOST EXCELLENT.

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AND SO THAT WHEN,
WHEN I EXPRESS MYSELF,

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PEOPLE WILL LISTEN.

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AND THAT WAS KIND OF
ROOTED FROM THIS,

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FROM THIS PLACE OF, YOU
KNOW, I MIGHT HAVE ALL,

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ALL THIS WEALTH AND
CURRENCY IN THE SPIRIT.

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I DON'T ONLY EXIST
IN THE SPIRIT REALM,

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I ALSO EXIST IN
THE MATERIAL.

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AND IF PEOPLE DON'T SEE
A CURRENCY THAT THEY'RE

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FAMILIAR WITH,
THAT IS VALUABLE,

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THEN THEY'RE MORE THAN
LIKELY NOT GOING TO LISTEN.

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I DETERMINED THAT I WAS
GOING TO GROW IN STATURE

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IN THE MATERIAL WORLD
BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH

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STATURE I HAVE
IN THE SPIRIT.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: SO THAT I CAN
TRANSLATE THE TWO, YOU KNOW.

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REBECCA: YOU WANTED TO
STEWARD THE GIFT THAT GOD

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HAD GIVEN YOU SO THAT
WHEN THE TIME CAME,

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YOU WOULD DO IT
WITH EXCELLENCE.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: YOU KNOW, IT'S
THE EXCELLENCE THAT WE DO

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EVERYTHING WE CAN
IN THE NATURAL,

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BUT WE KNOW WITHOUT
THE ANOINTING.

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IT WAS SO

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FOUNDATIONAL THAT WHAT GOD
DID THROUGH THAT ACCIDENT,

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EVEN THOUGH HE TOOK A
TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

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REBECCA: BUT LITTLE DID YOU
KNOW THAT THAT WAS GOING

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TO BE FOUNDATIONAL
FOR EVERYTHING

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SETTING YOU UP
IN YOUR FUTURE.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: BECAUSE BEFORE HE SENT
YOU OUT INTO THE FULLNESS OF

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THIS INFLUENCE, IN THIS
SPACE, AND ALL THESE THINGS,

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HE WAS GOING TO
ESTABLISH THE FOUNDATION

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OF YOUR IDENTITY IN HIM.

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VICTORY: YES, EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: BECAUSE IF YOU
WEREN'T ROOTED IN THAT,

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YOU COULD GET LOST OUT
THERE IN THAT WORLD

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BECAUSE IT'S CRAZY.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

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OH, AND MOST PEOPLE DO.

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AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE

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CHRISTIANS IN OUR MINDS
AND WE AGREE, RIGHT?

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BUT, BUT IT TAKES A
LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING

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THAT IT'S ACTUALLY CHRIST
WHO'S LIVING AND NOT YOU.

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REBECCA: YOU RECEIVED
THE REVELATION.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: AND IT
BECAME REAL TO YOU.

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VICTORY: RIGHT.

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REBECCA: AND I
UNDERSTAND THAT.

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WHEN YOU -- IT'S ONE THING
TO HEAR THE WORD,

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BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO
HAVE EARS TO HEAR

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AND EYES TO SEE, AS
JESUS TALKS ABOUT.

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AND WHEN YOU RECEIVE
THAT REVELATION,

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VIA THE HOLY SPIRIT,

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IT CHANGES YOUR
WHOLE PERSPECTIVE.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: AND SO IT JUST --

11:49.099 --> 11:52.232
IT MAKES ME THINK OF THE
STORY OF JESUS BEFORE HE

11:52.332 --> 11:54.366
EVER WENT OUT
AND DID MINISTRY,

11:54.466 --> 11:55.999
HE WAS THROWN OUT
INTO THE WILDERNESS,

11:56.099 --> 11:58.333
WHICH WAS HARD,
AND HE WAS TEMPTED.

11:58.433 --> 12:00.733
BUT AFTER HE PROVED THAT
HE PASSED THAT TEST,

12:00.833 --> 12:03.333
HE WAS TESTED BY THE DEVIL
THREE DIFFERENT WAYS.

12:03.433 --> 12:05.966
HE COMES BACK, AND THE
FIRST THING THE HOLY SPIRIT

12:06.066 --> 12:08.966
LEADS HIM TO DO IS TO
GET BAPTIZED BY JOHN.

12:09.066 --> 12:10.866
AND WHEN HE'S
BAPTIZED BY JOHN,

12:10.966 --> 12:13.066
THE HOLY SPIRIT
DESCENDS LIKE A DOVE.

12:13.166 --> 12:15.399
AND GOD THE FATHER SPEAKS
FROM HEAVEN AND SAID,

12:15.499 --> 12:19.366
THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN
WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.

12:19.466 --> 12:21.366
BEFORE HE HAD DONE
ANYTHING IN MINISTRY...

12:21.466 --> 12:22.532
VICTORY: YEAH.

12:22.632 --> 12:24.700
REBECCA: GOD THE FATHER
ESTABLISHED THE FOUNDATION

12:24.800 --> 12:26.033
OF JESUS'S IDENTITY.

12:26.133 --> 12:27.233
VICTORY: YES.

12:27.333 --> 12:28.333
REBECCA: BECAUSE HE WAS ABOUT
TO BE THROWN INTO THE

12:28.433 --> 12:30.633
CRAZY OF PEOPLE LOVING
HIM, PEOPLE HATING HIM.

12:30.733 --> 12:31.966
VICTORY: YEAH.

12:32.066 --> 12:33.666
REBECCA: AND HE COULDN'T LET
ANY OF THAT SWAY HIM BECAUSE HE

12:33.766 --> 12:35.066
HAD TO BE LED
BY HIS FATHER.

12:35.166 --> 12:36.033
VICTORY: YES.

12:36.133 --> 12:37.466
REBECCA: AND THE SAME
THING WITH YOU.

12:37.566 --> 12:39.633
AND GOING BACK TO YOU
SAYING, WHICH THIS IS SUCH

12:39.733 --> 12:41.833
A GOOD WORD, BECAUSE WE
NEED THE ANOINTING.

12:41.933 --> 12:43.400
WE CAN'T DO WITHOUT
HIS ANOINTING.

12:43.500 --> 12:45.333
AND WE SEEK THAT IN
THE SECRET PLACE

12:45.433 --> 12:47.033
AND BY WALKING IN
OBEDIENCE TO WHAT GOD'S

12:47.133 --> 12:48.333
CALLED US TO DO.

12:48.433 --> 12:51.366
BUT TO DO WHAT WE DO
WITH EXCELLENCE,

12:51.466 --> 12:54.166
THAT IS SUCH A HIGH VALUE
THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

12:54.266 --> 12:55.232
VICTORY: RIGHT.

12:55.332 --> 12:57.766
REBECCA: AND IT MAKES ME
THINK ABOUT I TOOK THIS,

12:57.866 --> 13:00.599
I WENT TO BIBLE SCHOOL AND
I TOOK A CLASS ON ETHICS.

13:00.699 --> 13:03.966
BUT WHAT WAS SO COOL IS MY
PROFESSOR WAS ACTUALLY

13:04.066 --> 13:07.199
A MUSICIAN, A
SONGWRITER HIMSELF,

13:07.299 --> 13:09.666
AND HE HAD US READ
THIS BOOK CALLED

13:09.766 --> 13:11.500
<i>ART FOR GOD'S SAKE.</i>

13:11.600 --> 13:12.633
AND HE TALKED ABOUT,

13:12.733 --> 13:14.966
THE BOOK TALKS ABOUT HOW WHEN
THEY WERE BUILDING

13:15.066 --> 13:18.300
THE TABERNACLE,
GOD HAD ARTISTS...

13:18.400 --> 13:19.299
VICTORY: YES.

13:19.399 --> 13:20.766
REBECCA: HELP BUILD
THE TABERNACLE.

13:20.866 --> 13:22.866
AND THERE IS SPECIFIC
INSTRUCTIONS,

13:22.966 --> 13:25.066
BUT HE GAVE THEM THE
ABILITY TO CREATE.

13:25.166 --> 13:26.166
VICTORY: YES.

13:26.266 --> 13:27.632
REBECCA: AND CREATE ART
WITHIN THE TABERNACLE,

13:27.732 --> 13:28.799
HOW IT WAS SET UP.

13:28.899 --> 13:31.232
AND THE WHOLE BOOK
IS MAKING A CASE

13:31.332 --> 13:33.933
HOW WE ARE CREATED
IN THE IMAGE OF GOD,

13:34.033 --> 13:35.666
AND HOW GOD HIMSELF
IS A CREATOR.

13:35.766 --> 13:36.533
VICTORY: YES

13:36.633 --> 13:38.199
REBECCA: AND HOW IT IS SO,

13:38.299 --> 13:40.599
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
THINGS WE CAN DO AS HIS

13:40.699 --> 13:44.666
CREATION IS TO CREATE AND
TO CREATE ART FOR HIS SAKE.

13:44.766 --> 13:45.766
VICTORY: YES.

13:45.866 --> 13:46.866
REBECCA: BECAUSE SO MANY
PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE

13:46.966 --> 13:49.033
WORLD ARE CREATING ART,
BUT NOT FOR HIS SAKE.

13:49.133 --> 13:49.866
VICTORY: RIGHT.

13:49.966 --> 13:51.266
REBECCA: AND MORE
PEOPLE LIKE YOU,

13:51.366 --> 13:53.132
AND THIS IS WHY I LOVE
WHAT YOU'RE DOING,

13:53.232 --> 13:56.733
NEED TO WALK IN CREATING
ART FOR HIS SAKE,

13:56.833 --> 13:58.199
TO GLORIFY HIM.

13:58.299 --> 13:59.332
AND SO I LOVE THAT
YOU WERE LIKE,

13:59.432 --> 14:00.833
I'M GOING TO DO THIS,
AND I'M GOING TO

14:00.933 --> 14:01.866
DO THIS WITH EXCELLENCE.

14:01.966 --> 14:03.233
BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN
THAT HOSPITAL ROOM,

14:03.333 --> 14:05.633
IT SOUNDED LIKE GOD
LIT A FIRE WITHIN YOU.

14:05.733 --> 14:06.799
VICTORY: YEAH.

14:06.899 --> 14:07.832
REBECCA: AND IT'S LIKE YOU
CAN'T CONTAIN YOURSELF.

14:07.932 --> 14:09.333
AND WHEN YOU
REALIZE GOD'S LIKE,

14:09.433 --> 14:11.599
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT
THROUGH TALKING PEOPLE,

14:11.699 --> 14:13.033
AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO
IT THROUGH THE GIFT I'VE

14:13.133 --> 14:14.699
GIVEN YOU THROUGH MUSIC.

14:14.799 --> 14:15.466
AND YOU'RE LIKE,
OKAY, WELL,

14:15.566 --> 14:16.532
I'M GOING TO DO THIS.

14:16.632 --> 14:17.899
I'M GOING TO DO THE BEST
TO MY ABILITY AND THAT'S

14:17.999 --> 14:19.233
SUCH A GOOD WORD.

14:19.333 --> 14:22.033
SO YOU GET SENT OUT
FROM THIS EXPERIENCE,

14:22.133 --> 14:23.233
WHAT HAPPENS?

14:23.333 --> 14:25.332
VICTORY: WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
IS I HID THIS VISION IN MY

14:25.432 --> 14:28.599
HEART, BECAUSE THE LORD
SHOWED ME THAT HE WAS

14:28.699 --> 14:30.466
GOING TO TAKE ME TO
THE TOP OF THE WORLD.

14:30.566 --> 14:32.200
REBECCA: AND THAT'S A
WORD OF WISDOM, TOO,

14:32.300 --> 14:33.432
THAT YOU HID IT.

14:33.532 --> 14:35.632
VICTORY: WELL,
LISTEN, NO ONE.

14:35.732 --> 14:39.899
BECAUSE, BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE
WOULD SHOOT IT DOWN.

14:39.999 --> 14:41.200
REBECCA: EXACTLY.

14:41.300 --> 14:45.500
VICTORY: BECAUSE I WAS SO FAR
REMOVED FROM THE LIMELIGHT,

14:45.600 --> 14:47.466
FROM ANY NOTORIETY.

14:47.566 --> 14:51.933
I MEAN, YEAH, I WAS JUST
COMPLETELY IN ANOTHER

14:52.033 --> 14:53.966
PLANET THAN WHERE
I EXIST NOW.

14:54.066 --> 14:56.199
REBECCA: ONLY GOD COULD BRING
YOU TO WHERE YOU'RE AT.

14:56.299 --> 14:57.333
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

14:57.433 --> 15:01.600
SO AT THE TIME, IT'S JUST
GOD SHOWED ME THAT HE'S

15:01.700 --> 15:05.300
GOING TO TAKE ME TO THE
TOP OF THE WORLD AND NOT

15:05.400 --> 15:06.633
THE TOP OF THE
CHRISTIAN WORLD.

15:06.733 --> 15:08.866
THE TOP JUST THE
WORLD, PERIOD.

15:08.966 --> 15:15.366
AND I'M GOING TO SHARE THE
TESTIMONY OF WHAT HE DID

15:15.466 --> 15:16.932
FOR ME IN THE VALLEY.

15:17.032 --> 15:19.899
AND SO I WAS LIKE, I GOT
TO GET READY FOR THE TOP

15:19.999 --> 15:21.599
OF THE WORLD, YOU
KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

15:21.699 --> 15:22.366
REBECCA: IT'S SUCH
A GOOD WORD.

15:22.466 --> 15:23.466
VICTORY: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

15:23.566 --> 15:27.166
IT'S LIKE, I -- WHAT WILL
I DO WHEN I GET THERE?

15:27.266 --> 15:29.100
WHAT SONGS WILL I SING?

15:29.200 --> 15:30.566
WILL I EVEN KNOW HOW
TO PLAY THE GUITAR?

15:30.666 --> 15:31.566
WILL I KNOW HOW
TO PLAY THE PIANO?

15:31.666 --> 15:34.066
WELL, WHAT?

15:34.166 --> 15:35.133
WHAT'S THE SOUND?

15:35.233 --> 15:36.299
SO BASICALLY, I STARTED
GOING THROUGH ALL OF

15:36.399 --> 15:38.833
THESE, ALL OF THESE THINGS
AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW,

15:38.933 --> 15:41.399
AT THE TIME I WAS VERY
MUCH A DEVELOPING ARTIST.

15:41.499 --> 15:45.366
I PROBABLY HAD MAYBE 5 TO
10 SONGS THAT I HAD EVER

15:45.466 --> 15:47.366
WRITTEN IN MY LIFE.

15:47.466 --> 15:50.866
AND SO I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF,
A LOT UNDER MY BELT AT

15:50.966 --> 15:52.733
THE TIME IN
TERMS OF SKILL.

15:52.833 --> 15:53.899
I MEAN, SURE,
I COULD SING,

15:53.999 --> 15:55.400
I COULD PLAY THE GUITAR,
BUT I DIDN'T HAVE

15:55.500 --> 15:56.700
A LOT OF SONGS.

15:56.800 --> 15:58.333
I WASN'T A MUSIC PRODUCER.

15:58.433 --> 16:01.366
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO
MANY FACETS OF MUSIC THAT

16:01.466 --> 16:03.366
I'VE HAD TO GROW
IN SINCE THEN.

16:03.466 --> 16:06.833
BUT BASICALLY, THE NEXT
THING I DID WAS I JUST

16:06.933 --> 16:12.299
STARTED DIVING IN 100%
AND INVESTING IN GROWING,

16:12.399 --> 16:15.932
YOU KNOW, AS A PRODUCER,
AS A SONGWRITER,

16:16.032 --> 16:19.099
AS A SINGER,
AS A MUSICIAN.

16:19.199 --> 16:23.033
AND SO THAT WAS
2016 WHEN I,

16:23.133 --> 16:26.566
WHEN I SIGNED WITH JAY AND
SO AND I WAS IT WAS 2013

16:26.666 --> 16:28.232
WHEN I GOT IN
THIS ACCIDENT.

16:28.332 --> 16:30.533
SO THAT WAS THREE
YEARS --

16:30.633 --> 16:31.399
REBECCA: OF PREPARATION.

16:31.499 --> 16:32.800
VICTORY: OF PREPARATION.

16:32.900 --> 16:36.000
WHEN JAY-Z HEARD ABOUT ME,
HE SOMEONE SENT A VIDEO OF

16:36.100 --> 16:38.866
ME SINGING IN
CENTRAL PARK TO JAY,

16:38.966 --> 16:40.133
AND HE WAS REALLY
IMPRESSED.

16:40.233 --> 16:41.232
NOW HERE'S THE THING.

16:41.332 --> 16:43.700
I ALWAYS SANG WITH MY
FAMILY IN CENTRAL PARK.

16:43.800 --> 16:47.266
BUT THEN I ALSO WOULD SING
BY MYSELF DURING DOWNTIMES

16:47.366 --> 16:49.199
OR GET THERE
EARLIER OR LATER.

16:49.299 --> 16:50.266
REBECCA: SO YOU COULD PRACTICE?

16:50.366 --> 16:53.433
VICTORY: YEAH, PRACTICE
AND MAKE EXTRA CASH.

16:53.533 --> 16:54.266
REBECCA: YOU GOT TO DO
WHAT YOU GOT TO DO.

16:54.366 --> 16:56.600
VICTORY: LISTEN,
ENTREPRENEURIAL.

16:56.700 --> 16:57.966
REBECCA: SO YOU WOULD
SING ON YOUR OWN.

16:58.066 --> 17:00.600
VICTORY: YEAH, I WOULD
SING ON MY OWN.

17:00.700 --> 17:02.266
I WOULD TEST OUT ALL
THE NEW SONGS

17:02.366 --> 17:03.366
THAT I JUST WROTE.

17:03.466 --> 17:04.632
REBECCA: OH, NICE.

17:04.732 --> 17:06.899
VICTORY: YOU KNOW, I LOVED
WRITING SONGS AND THEN TESTING

17:06.999 --> 17:09.900
THEM OUT IN THE
SUBWAY OR IN THE,

17:10.000 --> 17:10.966
YOU KNOW, WHEREVER.

17:11.066 --> 17:14.666
SO THAT PEOPLE COULD,
I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW,

17:14.766 --> 17:16.366
YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN PEOPLE
CREATE SOMETHING AND THEY

17:16.466 --> 17:20.966
AS A FRIEND, THEY COME AND
ASK YOUR OPINION AND THEN

17:21.066 --> 17:22.933
YOU REALLY DON'T WANT
TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

17:23.033 --> 17:24.900
YOU REALLY JUST WANT
THEM TO CELEBRATE YOU.

17:25.000 --> 17:25.900
REBECCA: YEAH.

17:26.000 --> 17:27.100
VICTORY: BECAUSE YOU DID
SOMETHING AMAZING.

17:27.200 --> 17:27.600
REBECCA: YOU JUST PUT YOUR HEART
AND SOUL INTO SOMETHING.

17:27.700 --> 17:28.799
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

17:28.899 --> 17:31.099
BUT WHEN YOU TAKE
SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE JUST

17:31.199 --> 17:34.332
CREATED TO THIS PUBLIC
FORUM WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT

17:34.432 --> 17:37.599
YOUR FRIENDS, YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY

17:37.699 --> 17:42.166
TRYING TO STOP AND
SMELL THE ROSES.

17:42.266 --> 17:46.899
BUT WHEN THEY DO STOP
AND WHEN THEY DO HAVE A

17:46.999 --> 17:49.932
MOMENT, AND WHEN THEY
DO CRY AND SHED A TEAR,

17:50.032 --> 17:52.466
THAT WAS MY LITMUS TEST
FOR ME TO KNOW THAT I

17:52.566 --> 17:54.933
REALLY HIT THE
MARK ON A SONG.

17:55.033 --> 17:59.800
AND SO, AND SO, YEAH,
I, I KIND OF LIKE

17:59.900 --> 18:02.732
MADE A SPORT OUT
OF, YOU KNOW,

18:02.832 --> 18:07.833
BEING ABLE TO GO OUT AND
JUST SING FOR, YOU KNOW,

18:07.933 --> 18:10.666
EVERYONE AND ANYONE,
REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW,

18:10.766 --> 18:12.532
THEIR BACKGROUND OR
WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

18:12.632 --> 18:16.366
AND SEEING MY
ABILITY, YOU KNOW,

18:16.466 --> 18:18.433
TO TRANSCEND EVERYTHING
AND PIERCE THROUGH ALL THE

18:18.533 --> 18:21.499
NOISE AND, AND CONNECT
WITH AN INDIVIDUAL.

18:21.599 --> 18:25.599
AND SO, AND SO
YEAH, THAT WAS,

18:25.699 --> 18:27.633
THAT WAS THE EXTENT
OF MY SOLO CAREER.

18:27.733 --> 18:28.833
REBECCA: YEAH.

18:28.933 --> 18:31.599
VICTORY: BEFORE GETTING
SIGNED AND, OTHER THAN THAT,

18:31.699 --> 18:33.832
I SANG WITH MY BROTHERS
AND SISTERS AND WE GREW UP

18:33.932 --> 18:36.466
SINGING TOGETHER
SINCE WE WERE BABIES.

18:36.566 --> 18:37.966
AND, AND SO
WE ALL ENDED

18:38.066 --> 18:40.499
UP GETTING SIGNED TOGETHER.

18:40.599 --> 18:44.899
BUT JAY, JAY-Z REQUESTED
THAT MY ALBUM BE THE FIRST

18:44.999 --> 18:46.132
ALBUM ON OUR DEAL.

18:46.232 --> 18:51.333
SO MY, MY FIRST ALBUM ON
ROC NATION IS AN ALBUM I

18:51.433 --> 18:55.166
WROTE CALLED<i>THE
BROKEN INSTRUMENT.</i>

18:55.266 --> 18:58.132
SO WHEN WE GOT
SIGNED, YOU KNOW,

18:58.232 --> 19:03.032
I'VE BEEN HOLDING THIS IN
MY HEART THAT, YOU KNOW,

19:03.132 --> 19:06.700
GOD IS GOING TO TAKE ME TO
THE TOP OF THE WORLD TO

19:06.800 --> 19:08.866
SHARE MY TESTIMONY.

19:08.966 --> 19:11.199
AND SO HERE WE ARE
THREE YEARS LATER,

19:11.299 --> 19:14.533
AND JAY-Z IS
OFFERING A DEAL.

19:14.633 --> 19:15.666
REBECCA: WILD.

19:15.766 --> 19:17.833
VICTORY: THAT SOUNDS LIKE
IT'S THE TOP OF THE WORLD.

19:17.933 --> 19:19.100
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

19:19.200 --> 19:24.266
AND I HAD TO REMIND MYSELF,
OKAY, WE'RE HERE.

19:24.366 --> 19:25.866
WE'VE BEEN PREPARING
TO BE HERE.

19:25.966 --> 19:29.600
WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
QUALIFIED TO BE HERE,

19:29.700 --> 19:33.299
BUT WE'RE HERE TO
SHARE A MESSAGE.

19:33.399 --> 19:35.632
AND SO THAT'S WHY
MY FIRST ALBUM,

19:35.732 --> 19:38.566
EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T
NECESSARILY A GOSPEL ALBUM,

19:38.666 --> 19:41.866
IT WAS, IT WAS STILL
CREATED TO SHARE

19:41.966 --> 19:47.366
THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL
IN A MORE INNOVATIVE WAY

19:47.466 --> 19:49.799
THAN TRADITIONAL WAYS.

19:49.899 --> 19:54.000
SO I WROTE, THIS SONG
CALLED<i>BROKEN INSTRUMENT,</i>

19:54.100 --> 19:58.199
WHICH IS TO ME, IT'S
LIKE A SONIC MOVIE.

19:58.299 --> 20:02.300
IT'S LIKE USING PAINTING A
PICTURE OF CHRIST VERSUS

20:02.400 --> 20:05.166
JUST VERBALLY
TELLING PEOPLE,

20:05.266 --> 20:09.033
CHRIST OR JESUS LOVES YOU,
OR REPENT SO THAT YOU CAN

20:09.133 --> 20:10.499
BE SAVED AND GO TO HEAVEN.

20:10.599 --> 20:11.600
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

20:11.700 --> 20:14.900
LIKE I CAN VERBALLY TELL
YOU THE SCRIPTURES OR I

20:15.000 --> 20:17.232
CAN PAINT A PICTURE.

20:17.332 --> 20:21.399
SO<i>THE BROKEN INSTRUMENT
</i> IS THIS STORY OF AN

20:21.499 --> 20:24.066
INSTRUMENT THAT
HELD IMMENSE VALUE.

20:24.166 --> 20:27.900
BUT UPON ROUGH TIMES,
BECAME BROKEN BECAUSE OF

20:28.000 --> 20:32.166
ITS FRAGILE NATURE IN A
ROUGH WORLD.

20:32.266 --> 20:34.866
AND SO AS SOON
AS IT'S BROKEN,

20:34.966 --> 20:37.499
IT LOST ITS VALUE AND
IT WAS THROWN OUT AND

20:37.599 --> 20:40.799
REJECTED AND
KICKED TO THE CURB.

20:40.899 --> 20:44.000
AND JUST LIKE ALL THE
OTHER TRASH AND ALL THE

20:44.100 --> 20:45.999
OTHER WORTHLESS
THINGS IN LIFE,

20:46.099 --> 20:49.099
IT WAS GATHERED AND PUT
INTO THE GARBAGE TRUCK

20:49.199 --> 20:50.766
AND TAKEN TO
THE CITY DUMP

20:50.866 --> 20:52.900
AND BURIED SIX
FEET UNDERGROUND.

20:53.000 --> 20:55.332
JUST LIKE ALL
THESE THINGS.

20:55.432 --> 20:58.466
AND THEN THE MAKER WHO
CREATED THE INSTRUMENT

20:58.566 --> 21:02.200
TAKES ON THE LIKENESS
OF A REJECT AND,

21:02.300 --> 21:06.833
AND HE'S DISGUISED
AS A HOMELESS PERSON,

21:06.933 --> 21:11.299
AND HE GOES INTO THE
JUNKYARD AND HE IS FISHING

21:11.399 --> 21:15.632
THROUGH THE JUNK PILES,
AND HE FINDS THE

21:15.732 --> 21:17.866
INSTRUMENT THAT
HE CREATED.

21:17.966 --> 21:19.499
AND THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF

21:19.599 --> 21:24.266
THE PILE AND HE GRABS HOLD
OF THIS INSTRUMENT

21:24.366 --> 21:27.799
AND EXAMINES THE
BROKEN NATURE.

21:27.899 --> 21:32.899
AND THEN HE TAKES IT WITH
HIM OUT OF THE PILE FROM

21:32.999 --> 21:37.099
UNDERNEATH THE PILE, OUT
OF THE GATES AT THE POINT

21:37.199 --> 21:40.100
OF NO RETURN, NOTHING
EVER COMES BACK OUT

21:40.200 --> 21:41.033
OF THE JUNKYARD.

21:41.133 --> 21:44.766
BUT THE MAKER WHO WAS
DISGUISED AS A

21:44.866 --> 21:49.500
HOMELESS PERSON, WENT IN
BECAUSE WHO ELSE GOES INTO

21:49.600 --> 21:51.966
A JUNKYARD TO FISH
THROUGH JUNK PILES LIKE

21:52.066 --> 21:53.400
HE TOOK ON THIS LIKENESS.

21:53.500 --> 21:54.499
REBECCA: YEAH.

21:54.599 --> 21:58.433
VICTORY: HE GOES IN, HE
BRINGS OUT THE BROKEN,

21:58.533 --> 22:03.633
AND HE IS THE ONLY WAY OUT
OF THE PLACE OF NO RETURN.

22:03.733 --> 22:06.232
JESUS LITERALLY
WENT TO HELL.

22:06.332 --> 22:08.632
NO ONE MAKES
IT OUT OF HELL.

22:08.732 --> 22:09.799
REBECCA: NO.

22:09.899 --> 22:10.833
VICTORY: BUT HE TOOK ON THE
LIKENESS OF THOSE THAT

22:10.933 --> 22:12.200
DESERVE TO GO THERE.

22:12.300 --> 22:13.632
REBECCA: YEAH.

22:13.732 --> 22:15.799
VICTORY: AND HE WENT THERE
BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT HE

22:15.899 --> 22:19.466
WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY
TO COME BACK OUT.

22:19.566 --> 22:24.433
AND HE HAS THE ABILITY TO
NOT HAVE TO STAY THERE.

22:24.533 --> 22:26.833
AND SO IT'S LIKE
THIS, THIS MAN,

22:26.933 --> 22:28.400
THIS PICTURE OF
THIS HOMELESS MAN,

22:28.500 --> 22:30.399
HE'S IN THERE
AND HE'S LIKE,

22:30.499 --> 22:31.633
HE'S THE ONLY WAY OUT.

22:31.733 --> 22:35.333
BUT THERE IS A WAY, THERE'S
A WAY OUT OF IT, YOU KNOW?

22:35.433 --> 22:38.032
AND SO AND SO THE MAKER,

22:38.132 --> 22:41.066
HE TAKES THE
INSTRUMENT OUT.

22:41.166 --> 22:43.266
AND THEN IT TURNS
OUT THE STORY GOES,

22:43.366 --> 22:44.366
THIS IS A CRAZY SONG.

22:44.466 --> 22:49.799
IT'S LIKE 15, 16 MINUTES,
BUT I HAD TO WRITE IT...

22:49.899 --> 22:50.533
REBECCA: INTO ITS FULLNESS.

22:50.633 --> 22:51.566
VICTORY: INTO ITS FULLNESS.

22:51.666 --> 22:52.632
REBECCA: YEAH.

22:52.732 --> 22:54.266
VICTORY: BECAUSE THIS IS
WHAT THE LORD DID FOR ME

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IN THE VALLEY.

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AND FINALLY, I HAVE THIS
PLACE OF WHERE EARS,

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WHERE I HAVE EARS,

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BUT IT'S IN THE
CONTEXT OF ART.

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SO I'M GOING TO ARTFULLY
PRESENT A PRESENTATION OF

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WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME.

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BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF
A STORY IN THE --

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REBECCA: WHICH IS WHAT
JESUS DID IT.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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EXACTLY.

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IT'S THE PARABLES.

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EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: YOUR SONG
SOUNDS LIKE THE PARABLE

23:22.766 --> 23:25.166
WHERE THE GUY BOUGHT, SOLD
EVERYTHING HE HAD TO BUY

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THE FIELD SO HE
COULD GET THE PEARL.

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YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I
THINK HE DID ALL TIME.

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VICTORY: LISTEN, LISTEN,
PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW.

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OH, A SINGER SONGWRITER.

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OH, A FOLK.

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OH, SHE'S LIKE TRACY
CHAPMAN, OR SHE'S LIKE,

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YEAH, I'LL TAKE IT.

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REBECCA: AND THERE'S PEOPLE
WHO WOULD LISTEN TO YOU THAT

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WOULD NOT WALK
INTO A CHURCH.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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AND THERE'S SOMETHING
ABOUT CREATING BEAUTY

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AND SPEAKING TO
WHAT THE WHOLE.

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BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT
ETERNITY IS IN OUR HEARTS.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

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REBECCA: SO IN THE HEART OF
EVERY MAN IS THE DESIRE TO

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KNOW GOD AND TO BE
CONNECTED TO HIM.

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BUT IF YOU CAN ALMOST
PAINT A PICTURE,

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YOU CAN TAP INTO THAT PART
OF THE HEART AND DRAW THAT

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PERSON IN TO WHERE
THEY'LL WANT MORE.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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I REMEMBER THE FIRST
TIME I SANG THIS SONG

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<i>BROKEN INSTRUMENT</i> LIVE,

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I WAS ON TOUR WITH A JAZZ
ARTIST AS HIS OPENING ACT.

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AND WE WERE IN ARIZONA AND
I JUST TOLD THE AUDIENCE,

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YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO DO

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SOMETHING I'VE NEVER
DONE BEFORE.

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I'M GOING TO SING A
16-MINUTE SONG FOR YOU AND

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YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE IT.

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AND SO I DID,

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I SANG<i>THE BROKEN
INSTRUMENT</i> .

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AND AFTERWARDS, YOU KNOW, I'M
GREETING PEOPLE AND THESE

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TWO WOMEN CAME UP TO ME.

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THEY WERE BOTH WEEPING.

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THEY SAID, THERE'S
SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL

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ABOUT YOUR SONG
BROKEN INSTRUMENT.

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YOU JUST SANG OUR LIVES
AND PRESENTED IT ON A STAGE.

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AND NO ONE'S EVER
BEEN ABLE TO LIKE

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EXPRESS THE DEPTHS.

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IT WAS JUST REALLY --

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I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT
BECAUSE THESE WOMEN

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PROBABLY HAVE AN AVERSION
TO CHRISTIANITY IN THE

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CHURCH AND ALL THE THINGS
AND BUT THEY HEARD AND IT

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WAS CLEARLY LAID
OUT FOR THEM,

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A PICTURE OF A SAVIOR THAT
WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO BE

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ABLE TO REACH THEM

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AND TO REACH ANY OF US AND
ALL OF US WHEN WE ARE IN

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OUR PLACE OF BROKENNESS
IN A JUNKYARD BURIED

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UNDERNEATH ALL THE
OTHER CRAP IN LIFE.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: YOU KNOW, AND
REJECTED AND, YOU KNOW,

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DEEMED AS UNFIT AND
NO PURPOSE AND NO VALUE.

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REBECCA: WORTHLESS.

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VICTORY: YEAH, WORTHLESS
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

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BUT IT'S LIKE JESUS CAME,
AND TOOK ON THIS LIKENESS,

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TREATED AS IF HE
WAS WORTHLESS ALSO.

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YET HE WAS SECRETLY
THE MOST VALUABLE...

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REBECCA: SON OF GOD.

25:48.766 --> 25:49.533
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

25:49.633 --> 25:50.232
REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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AND IT'S JUST LIKE --

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REBECCA: AND
PERFECTLY INNOCENT

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AND TOOK ON OUR THE SINS
OF THE WORLD.

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VICTORY: RIGHT, RIGHT.

25:57.832 --> 25:59.066
REBECCA: SUFFERED A DEATH
THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SUFFERED,

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WENT TO HELL.

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EXACTLY, HE STOOD IN
OUR PLACE.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: AND YET HE WAS
THE ONLY ONE THAT

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COULD MAKE HIS WAY OUT.

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VICTORY: EXACTLY.

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REBECCA: AND THE VICTORY.

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VICTORY: YES.

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REBECCA: AND THE BIBLE
SAYS IN COLOSSIANS,

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HE WAS THE FIRSTBORN
FROM AMONG THE DEAD.

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VICTORY: YES.

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REBECCA: AND SO NOW WE, WHERE
THE WORD BORN AGAIN COME FROM,

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THAT CONCEPT COMES FROM
THE FACT THAT

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WE ARE BORN AGAIN IN HIM.

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NEW LIFE.

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VICTOR: YES, YES.

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AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST
THINK OF LIKE WHEN I WAS

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RECOVERING FROM
THIS ACCIDENT,

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THE PICTURE I
SAW WAS LIKE,

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I WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO
GET UP AND COME UP ON MY OWN.

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BUT IT WAS LIKE JESUS WAS
THE REASON WHY HE WENT

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THROUGH ALL OF THIS,

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THE CROSS AND DEATH AND
BURIAL WAS BECAUSE THAT'S

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WHERE HE KNEW
HE'D FIND ME.

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AND HE KNEW THAT I WOULDN'T
HAVE POWER TO GET UP,

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BUT HE DOES.

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AND THAT SIMPLY IF I JUST
HOLD ON TO HIS HAND,

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WE'LL COME UP TOGETHER
IN RESURRECTION.

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AND SO MY THING WAS LIKE,
I'VE BEEN A CHRISTIAN MY

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WHOLE LIFE, AND NOBODY
EVER TOLD ME THIS.

27:04.699 --> 27:06.966
REBECCA: YEAH, I UNDERSTAND
THAT FEELING.

27:07.066 --> 27:10.366
VICTORY: I WAS LIKE,
YOU KNOW WHAT?

27:10.466 --> 27:14.332
I NEED TO CREATE PICTURES
THAT HELP PEOPLE TO SEE

27:14.432 --> 27:17.199
FROM A PERSPECTIVE
THAT THAT

27:17.299 --> 27:19.399
THEY DON'T TYPICALLY
RECEIVE IN.

27:19.499 --> 27:23.799
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU,
IF YOU TYPICALLY RECEIVE

27:23.899 --> 27:27.132
THE GOSPEL IN A
FORMAT OF, YOU KNOW,

27:27.232 --> 27:30.366
SITTING DOWN IN A CHURCH
AND THE CHURCH ALWAYS

27:30.466 --> 27:33.000
LOOKS A CERTAIN WAY AND
IT SOUNDS A CERTAIN WAY.

27:33.100 --> 27:33.932
REBECCA: YEAH.

27:34.032 --> 27:34.733
VICTORY: AND THEN THE
MUSIC IS LIKE --

27:34.833 --> 27:35.633
REBECCA: IS A
CERTAIN MESSAGE.

27:35.733 --> 27:36.866
VICTORY: YEAH.

27:36.966 --> 27:37.566
A CERTAIN TONE.

27:37.666 --> 27:38.366
REBECCA: EVEN VOCABULARY.

27:38.466 --> 27:39.500
VICTORY: YES.

27:39.600 --> 27:40.500
REBECCA: EVERYTHING.

27:40.600 --> 27:42.400
VICTORY: YOU FEEL AS
IF YOU KNOW ALREADY.

27:42.500 --> 27:43.400
REBECCAA: YOU'RE LIKE,
THIS IS IT.

27:43.500 --> 27:44.100
VICTORY: YEAH.

27:44.200 --> 27:45.733
AND THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS.

27:45.833 --> 27:46.699
REBECCA: YEAH.

27:46.799 --> 27:49.499
VICTORY: BECAUSE IF
YOU KNOW ALREADY,

27:49.599 --> 27:53.000
THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
LEAN INTO TAPPING INTO

27:53.100 --> 27:54.433
THAT WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW.

27:54.533 --> 27:55.199
REBECCA: YEAH.

27:55.299 --> 27:56.233
AND IT'S NOT
ABOUT KNOWING,

27:56.333 --> 27:58.333
IT'S NOT ABOUT
KNOWING WHAT, YOU KNOW,

27:58.433 --> 28:01.166
THROUGH AN EXPERIENCE
IN A CHURCH.

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IT'S ABOUT KNOWING
HIM FOR YOURSELF.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

28:04.299 --> 28:05.399
REBECCA: AND WHEN YOU WENT
THROUGH THAT ACCIDENT

28:05.499 --> 28:06.566
BECAUSE YOU WERE,
IT'S LIKE I GET

28:06.666 --> 28:07.599
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

28:07.699 --> 28:09.132
IT'S LIKE YOU GREW UP
IN A CHRISTIAN HOME.

28:09.232 --> 28:10.833
YOU GREW UP IN MINISTRY
LITERALLY YOUR WHOLE LIFE.

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SO YOU'RE LIKE, I ALWAYS
KNEW GOD WAS REAL.

28:13.166 --> 28:14.999
IT'S LITERALLY WHAT
YOU WERE LIVING.

28:15.099 --> 28:17.733
BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING WHEN
THAT GETS PUT TO THE TEST.

28:17.833 --> 28:20.233
AND LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN
YOU'RE IN THE VALLEY

28:20.333 --> 28:22.366
AND YOU EXPERIENCE
INTIMACY WITH GOD IN THE

28:22.466 --> 28:24.466
VALLEY, IT'S UNLIKE
ANYTHING ELSE.

28:24.566 --> 28:27.199
AND YOU GET TO SEE GOD
IN A REAL AND RAW AND

28:27.299 --> 28:29.499
PERSONAL WAY THAT YOU
WOULDN'T SEE JUST BY

28:29.599 --> 28:30.899
SITTING DOWN IN A
CHURCH.

28:30.999 --> 28:31.732
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

28:31.832 --> 28:32.599
REBECCA: NOT TO
NEGATE CHURCH.

28:32.699 --> 28:33.399
VICTORY: RIGHT, NO,
WE NEED IT.

28:33.499 --> 28:34.499
REBECCA: BUT YOU HAVE TO --

28:34.599 --> 28:37.233
AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE,
EVEN BETWEEN MINISTRY

28:37.333 --> 28:38.666
AND RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

28:38.766 --> 28:41.033
YOU MINISTER OUT OF
YOUR LIKE FROM YOUR

28:41.133 --> 28:42.432
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

28:42.532 --> 28:44.232
BUT IF YOU GO
OUT AND MINISTER,

28:44.332 --> 28:46.100
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE
SAME AS SPENDING TIME

28:46.200 --> 28:47.233
ALONE WITH HIM.

28:47.333 --> 28:48.066
VICTORY: RIGHT.

28:48.166 --> 28:48.666
REBECCA: IN THE
SECRET PLACE.

28:48.766 --> 28:49.799
AND I THINK AS I'M GOING

28:49.899 --> 28:51.532
THROUGH THE GOSPELS AND I
FEEL LIKE FOR THE FIRST

28:51.632 --> 28:54.366
TIME, EVEN REALLY
FULLY APPRECIATING IT,

28:54.466 --> 28:55.866
EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN IN
CHURCH MY WHOLE LIFE,

28:55.966 --> 28:57.232
I JUST, IT'S LIKE
LIKE I SAID,

28:57.332 --> 28:58.766
IT'S BEING IN A
DIFFERENT PHASE OF LIFE,

28:58.866 --> 29:02.399
BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE AND
SEE A CLEARER PICTURE.

29:02.499 --> 29:05.032
AND IT'S JUST ONE THING
THAT'S SO OBVIOUS TO ME IS

29:05.132 --> 29:08.766
THAT JESUS ALWAYS LIKE
PRIORITIZED GOING AWAY

29:08.866 --> 29:10.100
AND SPENDING TIME
WITH THE FATHER.

29:10.200 --> 29:10.732
VICTORY: YEAH.

29:10.832 --> 29:11.766
REBECCA: AND HE --

29:11.866 --> 29:12.900
THERE WOULD BE CROWDS
OF PEOPLE AROUND HIM

29:13.000 --> 29:15.300
AND HE'S LIKE, I HAVE TO GO,
LIKE HE KNEW

29:15.400 --> 29:17.266
WHEN HE NEEDED TO
GO AND BE ALONE.

29:17.366 --> 29:18.332
AND HE NEVER --

29:18.432 --> 29:19.399
AND HE WAS THE
SON OF GOD.

29:19.499 --> 29:23.032
BUT HE UNDERSTOOD HE HAD
TO FUNCTION OUT OF HIS

29:23.132 --> 29:24.100
RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE FATHER.

29:24.200 --> 29:24.933
VICTORY: YEAH.

29:25.033 --> 29:26.133
REBECCA: SO HE
PRIORITIZED THAT.

29:26.233 --> 29:28.466
SO IT'S LIKE YOU
CAN BE IN MINISTRY,

29:28.566 --> 29:29.732
YOU CAN BE PREACHING
THE GOSPEL.

29:29.832 --> 29:31.633
YOU CAN BE TALKING TO
PEOPLE AND PRAYING FOR

29:31.733 --> 29:34.566
PEOPLE, BUT IT'S NOT
YOUR SECRET PLACE

29:34.666 --> 29:35.266
WITH THE LORD.

29:35.366 --> 29:36.299
VICTORY: RIGHT.

29:36.399 --> 29:37.933
REBECCA: AND MINISTRY
CAN'T REPLACE THAT.

29:38.033 --> 29:39.466
MINISTRY HAS TO
FLOW FROM THAT.

29:39.566 --> 29:40.799
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

29:40.899 --> 29:42.499
REBECCA: AND IF YOU LOSE THAT
PLACE OF INTIMACY WITH THE LORD,

29:42.599 --> 29:44.866
I THINK YOU CAN
FALL IN MINISTRY

29:44.966 --> 29:45.999
JUST FROM TIREDNESS.

29:46.099 --> 29:47.066
VICTORY: OH, YEAH.

29:47.166 --> 29:48.133
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU CAN'T
DO IT WITHOUT HIM.

29:48.233 --> 29:49.566
VICTORY: YOU CAN'T GIVE
WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.

29:49.666 --> 29:51.132
REBECCA: EXACTLY.

29:51.232 --> 29:53.400
SO YOU DO<i>BROKEN INSTRUMENT,</i>

29:53.500 --> 29:54.899
WHAT WAS THAT
PROCESS LIKE?

29:54.999 --> 29:58.499
WAS YOUR -- WERE THEY
SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR MUSIC?

29:58.599 --> 30:00.333
BECAUSE I KNOW WITH
BEING SIGNED TO A LABEL,

30:00.433 --> 30:01.766
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL
HAVE EXPECTATIONS.

30:01.866 --> 30:03.800
LIKE HOW DO YOU
NAVIGATE THAT?

30:03.900 --> 30:04.800
VICTORY: YEAH.

30:04.900 --> 30:08.766
NO, YOU KNOW,
MY FIRST ALBUM,

30:08.866 --> 30:11.499
I WAS GIVEN A LOT OF
CREATIVE FREEDOM BECAUSE --

30:11.599 --> 30:12.699
REBECCA: YEAH, A 16-MINUTE SONG.

30:12.799 --> 30:14.199
THAT'S IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE
YOU KNOW HOW A LOT

30:14.299 --> 30:15.499
OF TIMES THEY'RE LIKE, IT
NEEDS TO BE THIS LONG

30:15.599 --> 30:16.433
AND THIS AND THIS.

30:16.533 --> 30:17.500
VICTORY: YEAH, YEAH.

30:17.600 --> 30:19.066
THEIR THING WAS, WE
DON'T WANT TO MESS IT UP.

30:19.166 --> 30:20.366
REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME.

30:20.466 --> 30:21.299
KUDOS TO THEM.

30:21.399 --> 30:22.100
I HAVE TO SAY FOR
GIVING YOU FREEDOM.

30:22.200 --> 30:24.332
VICTORY: YEAH, YEAH.

30:24.432 --> 30:28.333
ABSOLUTELY, NO, IT'S A
VERY SPECIAL DYNAMIC.

30:28.433 --> 30:31.700
AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY
KNOW THAT IT WAS THE LORD

30:31.800 --> 30:32.766
THAT SET ME UP.

30:32.866 --> 30:36.033
AND, YOU KNOW, TO DO
THIS BECAUSE HONESTLY,

30:36.133 --> 30:37.900
THERE ARE A LOT --
MOST CHRISTIANS --

30:38.000 --> 30:38.966
I HAVEN'T HEARD

30:39.066 --> 30:40.933
OF A CHRISTIAN LABEL THAT
WILL GIVE AN ARTIST

30:41.033 --> 30:41.999
THAT KIND OF FREEDOM.

30:42.099 --> 30:43.466
REBECCA: NO, IT JUST REALLY
SHOWS YOU LIKE,

30:43.566 --> 30:46.000
THIS HAS JUST BEEN A GOD
THING THROUGH AND THROUGH.

30:46.100 --> 30:47.400
BECAUSE IT'S
LIKE HOW COULD YOU --

30:47.500 --> 30:48.600
ONLY GOD CAN SET THIS UP.

30:48.700 --> 30:49.666
VICTORY: YEAH.

30:49.766 --> 30:51.533
REBECCA: SO I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT<i>GLORY HOUR.</i>

30:51.633 --> 30:52.766
VICTORY: YEAH.

30:52.866 --> 30:54.400
REBECCA: SO IS THAT WHAT
FOLLOWS<i>BROKEN INSTRUMENT</i> ?

30:54.500 --> 30:56.799
SO TELL ABOUT THE PROCESS
BEHIND THIS ALBUM BECAUSE

30:56.899 --> 30:59.166
THIS WAS LIKE MORE OF
A MORE OF A GOSPEL.

30:59.266 --> 31:00.066
VICTORY: YES.

31:00.166 --> 31:04.533
THIS ONE, YOU KNOW,
IT TOOK A LOT OF

31:04.633 --> 31:07.366
RELATIONAL EQUITY
AND TO GROW IN FAVOR,

31:07.466 --> 31:08.699
TO BE ABLE TO GET
TO THIS POINT WHERE

31:08.799 --> 31:10.400
I NEED YOU TO TRUST ME.

31:10.500 --> 31:11.433
REBECCA: OKAY.

31:11.533 --> 31:13.299
VICTORY: WE'RE GOING TO
GO HERE, YOU KNOW,

31:13.399 --> 31:17.566
AND WHAT HAPPENED
WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS,

31:17.666 --> 31:20.633
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHERE
I HAD TO PERFORM

31:20.733 --> 31:23.200
<i>THE BROKEN INSTRUMENT</i> WAS IN
THIS AUDIENCE, IN FRONT OF

31:23.300 --> 31:26.732
AN AUDIENCE OF, YOU KNOW,
WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.

31:26.832 --> 31:29.033
AND KANYE HAPPENED TO
BE IN THAT ROOM WHEN I,

31:29.133 --> 31:31.333
WHEN I SANG<i>BROKEN
INSTRUMENT.</i>

31:31.433 --> 31:32.799
REBECCA: WERE
YOU INTIMIDATED?

31:32.899 --> 31:35.600
VICTORY: YOU KNOW,
HONESTLY, I WAS --

31:35.700 --> 31:36.866
I FELT LIKE THIS WAS

31:36.966 --> 31:38.666
A MOMENT OF
DESTINY, YOU KNOW?

31:38.766 --> 31:39.799
REBECCA: SEE, I LOVE THAT.

31:39.899 --> 31:40.899
I FEEL LIKE YOU --

31:40.999 --> 31:42.533
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS
I'M GETTING THROUGH THIS

31:42.633 --> 31:44.732
INTERVIEWING YOU IS
YOU DON'T MAKE

31:44.832 --> 31:46.499
IT ABOUT YOURSELF.

31:46.599 --> 31:49.299
YOU JUST KNOW THAT GOD
HAS A PURPOSE FOR YOU.

31:49.399 --> 31:51.800
AND SO YOU CAN WALK INTO
PLACES OF INFLUENCE

31:51.900 --> 31:54.100
BECAUSE YOU DON'T
MAKE IT ABOUT YOU.

31:54.200 --> 31:55.500
YOU MAKE IT ABOUT
HIM, AND YOU'RE LIKE,

31:55.600 --> 31:57.333
I'M GOING TO SEIZE
THIS OPPORTUNITY.

31:57.433 --> 31:59.866
I THINK WHEN PEOPLE MAKE
IT ABOUT THEMSELVES,

31:59.966 --> 32:01.499
THAT'S WHERE THEY
CAN GET INTIMIDATED.

32:01.599 --> 32:04.433
BUT LIKE THE BEAUTY AND
THE FREEDOM IS LIKE,

32:04.533 --> 32:05.566
IT'S NOT YOU DON'T --

32:05.666 --> 32:07.166
IT'S WHAT IT GOES BACK TO
THE WHOLE IDENTITY THING.

32:07.266 --> 32:08.500
VICTORY: YEAH.

32:08.600 --> 32:10.866
REBECCA: YOUR IDENTITY ISN'T IN
HOW YOU PERFORM THIS OR THIS

32:10.966 --> 32:11.966
OR THAT OR WHAT
THESE, YOU KNOW,

32:12.066 --> 32:13.799
HIGH INFLUENTIAL
PEOPLE THINK OF YOU.

32:13.899 --> 32:15.933
SO YOU HAVE THIS FREEDOM
TO JUST DO WHAT YOU DO

32:16.033 --> 32:17.833
WITH EXCELLENCE
AND MINISTER.

32:17.933 --> 32:18.466
VICTORY: YEAH.

32:18.566 --> 32:19.532
YEAH.

32:19.632 --> 32:22.799
AND TRUST ME, IT TOOK
ME A PROCESS TO GET TO A

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PLACE WHERE I'M NOT
CONSUMED WITH MYSELF.

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REBECCA: THAT'S HARD.

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VICTORY: YEAH,
YEAH, YEAH.

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THE LORD HAS HAD TO
REFINE ME IN THIS.

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IT'S A DISCIPLINE.

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IT'S A DISCIPLINE OF YOUR --
A DISCIPLINE GAZE.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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OH, WOW.

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OF WHAT YOUR
FOCUS IS ON.

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VICTORY: YES, EXACTLY.

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LIKE SO, SO YOU COULD BE
DISTRACTED AND BEHOLD

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HOW BEAUTIFUL YOU ARE
AND HOW AMAZING YOU ARE.

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ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU NEED
TO LOOK REALLY BEAUTIFUL

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AND, LIKE, INVEST A
LOT IN JUST

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YOUR APPEARANCE AND GRANDEUR.

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SO THAT CAN BE A
BIG DISTRACTION,

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BUT YOU CAN ALSO BE DISTRACTED
BY HOW WEAK YOU ARE

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AND HOW TIRED YOU ARE,
AND HOW MUCH YOU NEED

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AND HOW MUCH YOU DON'T HAVE,

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AND HOW EVERYTHING'S
FALLING APART.

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AND SUDDENLY, YOUR GAZE
CAN BE ONLY ON THAT.

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AND SO YOU'RE CARRYING,
YOU'RE CARRYING THIS

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BROKENNESS, OR YOUR GAZE
CAN BE ON HOW AMAZING YOU ARE.

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AND SO NOW YOU'RE
CARRYING THIS PRIDE.

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SO BOTH OF THEM ARE,

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I'VE BEEN ON BOTH
EXTREMES A LOT,

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A LOT OF TIMES.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: AND SO WHAT I'VE
LEARNED IS I ALWAYS FALL WELL

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BENEATH THE POTENTIAL OF
WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY COULD

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HAVE BEEN WHEN
MY GAZE IS TORN.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: YOU KNOW, AND SO,

33:40.566 --> 33:42.500
BUT IF I HAVE
A GAZE THAT IS

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OH MY GOSH, I'M, I'M
BEHOLDING THE LORD AND THE

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TRAIN OF HIS ROBE IS
FILLING THE TEMPLE.

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AND THE ANGELS ARE
SINGING HOLY, HOLY, HOLY.

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AND I'M SINGING WITH THEM.

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AND THEN I DON'T CARE
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS,

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IN THIS, IN THIS REALM,
RIGHT NOW

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I'M HERE IN THIS REALM.

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AND SO AT THAT POINT,
THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING IS

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JUST SO TRANSCENDENT.

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REBECCA: YES.

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VICTORY: AND I KNOW, AND IT'S
LIKE EVERYONE ELSE STARTS TO

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FEEL HIS GLORY
TOO, YOU KNOW.

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SO BUT THAT TOOK ME A
PROCESS TO DISCIPLINE MY EYES.

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REBECCA: BECAUSE THERE'S
SO MANY THINGS,

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LIKE YOU SAID,
YOU CAN FOCUS ON,

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BUT YOU'VE LEARNED
TO FOCUS ON HIM.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

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REBECCA: SO YOU'RE IN THIS ROOM
SINGING<i>BROKEN INSTRUMENT.</i>

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KANYE IS THERE.

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WHAT HAPPENS?

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VICTORY: SO
HE'S REALLY MOVED.

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I GET A STANDING OVATION.

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AND THEN HE COMES UP TO ME

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AFTERWARDS AND SAYS,
WE NEED TO GET

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IN THE STUDIO TOGETHER.

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AND SO A
FEW WEEKS LATER,

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WE'RE IN THE STUDIO
AND WE'RE WORKING

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ON ACTUALLY MY MUSIC.

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AND THEN HE ASKS ME IF I
WOULD HELP HIM WORK ON HIS

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MUSIC, AND HE PLAYS ME

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THE ROUGH DRAFT OF THE
SONG<i>CLOSED ON SUNDAY.</i>

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AND IT WAS ALL -- HE HAD WAS
THE CHORUS CLOSED ON SUNDAY.

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YOU MY CHICK-FIL-A, RIGHT.

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AND HE PLAYS THAT
OVER AND OVER,

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JUST THAT LINE
AND THE BEAT.

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AND HE'S LIKE, I NEED YOU
TO HELP ME WRITE THIS.

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I NEED YOU TO
MAKE IT GOSPEL.

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AND, BECAUSE HE WAS SO
MOVED BY THE GOSPEL

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MESSAGE THAT HE FELT IN
<i>THE BROKEN INSTRUMENT.</i>

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AND SO, YEAH, I GO ON TO
WRITE THE MAJORITY OF THE

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LYRICS ON<i>CLOSED
ON SUNDAY</i>

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AND ANOTHER SONG CALLED
<i>GOD IS</i> ON THE CLOSED --

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ON THE<i>JESUS
IS KING</i> ALBUM.

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AND SO THIS
IS LIKE 2019.

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AND SO EVERY DAY WHEN I'M
ON YE'S TEAM FOR LIKE

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THREE MONTHS, I'M WRITING
MULTIPLE VERSES A DAY,

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AND IT WAS JUST ALL,
ALL GOSPEL, YOU KNOW,

35:33.566 --> 35:37.699
NOT PARABLES, NOT LIKE
LET ME TAKE THE TIME TO

35:37.799 --> 35:41.333
MAKE THIS -- PAINT THIS
PICTURE OF THE ESSENCE OF

35:41.433 --> 35:43.399
THE GOSPEL AND THEY'LL
GET IT LIKE, NO,

35:43.499 --> 35:46.500
EVERYTHING WAS KANYE
WAS ON MY CASE.

35:46.600 --> 35:49.766
WE NEED TO HAVE
THE NAME OF JESUS.

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WE NEED TO HAVE
THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

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WE NEED TO HAVE
LIKE, ALL THE LIKE,

35:54.099 --> 35:55.899
BECAUSE THAT'S
THE REAL POWER.

35:55.999 --> 35:56.833
REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE.

35:56.933 --> 35:58.966
VICTORY: YES, THAT WAS
THE FIRST TIME

35:59.066 --> 36:01.633
I WROTE BLATANTLY
GOSPEL MUSIC.

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MY WHOLE CAREER UP TO THAT
POINT WAS UNDERCOVER.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: YOU KNOW, AND THEN
KANYE'S LIKE AND HONESTLY,

36:09.799 --> 36:12.633
LIKE I WROTE MY DREAM
DOWN THE YEAR I GOT SIGNED

36:12.733 --> 36:13.800
TO ROC NATION.

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I WROTE DOWN MY DREAM,
WHICH WAS TO SEE THE HOLY

36:17.999 --> 36:22.000
SPIRIT USE ME IN A WAY
WHERE CULTURE IS CHANGED

36:22.100 --> 36:25.333
SO MUCH THAT IT'S NO LONGER,
SO MUCH THAT IT IS

36:25.433 --> 36:29.766
NO LONGER POPULAR
TO BE WICKED LIKE...

36:29.866 --> 36:32.532
AND THAT'S A PRETTY BIG
THING, BECAUSE WHEN,

36:32.632 --> 36:35.166
ESPECIALLY WHEN
YOU'RE AMONGST

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A VERY DARK ENTERTAINMENT
CULTURE AND YOU'RE AMONGST

36:40.199 --> 36:44.032
THE TOP OF THAT SPACE,
LIKE TO GROW TO A PLACE OF

36:44.132 --> 36:48.632
INFLUENCE WHERE YOU CAN,
YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT IS

36:48.732 --> 36:52.633
COOL AND POPULAR, AND THEN
YOU CAN SAY THAT JESUS IS

36:52.733 --> 36:54.733
COOL AND POPULAR,
YOU KNOW?

36:54.833 --> 36:56.100
SO THAT WAS MY DREAM.

36:56.200 --> 36:58.366
AND THEN WHEN I SAW KANYE
DOING THAT WITH SUNDAY

36:58.466 --> 37:01.199
SERVICE, I WAS LIKE, I'VE
GOT TO BE A PART OF IT.

37:01.299 --> 37:02.333
THIS IS MY DREAM.

37:02.433 --> 37:02.933
REBECCA: YEAH.

37:03.033 --> 37:03.433
VICTORY: AND THEN...

37:03.533 --> 37:04.066
REBECCA: YEAH.

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VICTORY: AND THEN WE,

37:05.299 --> 37:07.232
WE LITERALLY REACHED MY
DREAM WITH<i>JESUS IS KING.</i>

37:07.332 --> 37:09.833
YOU HAD EVERY KIND
OF YOUNG PERSON.

37:09.933 --> 37:13.233
JESUS IS COOL, LIKE
IT WAS THE CULTURE,

37:13.333 --> 37:14.566
A CULTURAL PHENOMENON.

37:14.666 --> 37:15.333
REBECCA: A CULTURE SHIFT.

37:15.433 --> 37:16.499
VICTORY: YEAH.

37:16.599 --> 37:19.600
WHERE THIS IS WHAT IS, WHAT
WE'RE ALL RAVING ABOUT

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AND RAGING ABOUT AND IS
JESUS AND JESUS IS KING.

37:23.166 --> 37:27.866
NOW, THAT MOVEMENT WASN'T
SUSTAINED BECAUSE OF THE

37:27.966 --> 37:29.600
OBVIOUS SPIRITUAL WARFARE.

37:29.700 --> 37:30.800
REBECCA: YEAH.

37:30.900 --> 37:32.966
VICTORY: YOU KNOW, AND THERE
WASN'T A BIG INTERCESSION

37:33.066 --> 37:35.333
MOVEMENT BEHIND IT.

37:35.433 --> 37:38.933
IT'S LIKE INFLUENCE IS NOT
WHAT'S GOING TO BRING THIS

37:39.033 --> 37:40.833
CULTURAL SHIFT TO PASS.

37:40.933 --> 37:42.566
INFLUENCE CAN BE USED.

37:42.666 --> 37:45.533
YEAH, BUT IT'S
INTERCESSION THAT HAS THE

37:45.633 --> 37:48.300
AUTHORITY TO BRING
THAT KIND OF CULTURAL

37:48.400 --> 37:49.666
REVOLUTION TO PASS.

37:49.766 --> 37:50.900
REBECCA: I FEEL THE
WEIGHT ON THAT,

37:51.000 --> 37:52.200
LIKE THAT
NEEDS TO BE SAID.

37:52.300 --> 37:53.399
VICTORY: YEAH.

37:53.499 --> 37:55.733
REBECCA: LIKE INFLUENCE CAN
BE USED MAYBE SOMEWHAT TO

37:55.833 --> 37:57.866
OPEN THE DOOR AND INTRODUCE
IT TO THE PEOPLE.

37:57.966 --> 37:59.166
VICTORY: WHICH IS
WHAT HAPPENED.

37:59.266 --> 38:01.132
REBECCA: BUT THERE HAS TO
BE THAT UNDERCURRENT

38:01.232 --> 38:03.833
OF THE SPIRIT, THE
INTERCESSION, THE CHANGE.

38:03.933 --> 38:05.900
I MEAN, INTERCESSION IS
WHAT BIRTHS REVIVAL.

38:06.000 --> 38:07.733
VICTORY: YES.

38:07.833 --> 38:10.700
YOU CANNOT, YOU DON'T HAVE
THE AUTHORITY TO RELEASE

38:10.800 --> 38:12.233
A REVIVAL JUST BECAUSE...

38:12.333 --> 38:12.966
REBECCA: YEAH.

38:13.066 --> 38:14.066
VICTORY: YOU'RE SUPER FAMOUS.

38:14.166 --> 38:14.832
REBECCA: NO.

38:14.932 --> 38:15.833
VICTORY: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

38:15.933 --> 38:18.699
LIKE, AND SO IT WAS
A WONDERFUL VISION,

38:18.799 --> 38:19.866
BUT IT WASN'T SUSTAINED.

38:19.966 --> 38:21.199
AND, AND I FELT LIKE...

38:21.299 --> 38:23.199
REBECCA: AND THAT HAPPENS
ALL THE TIME, TOO,

38:23.299 --> 38:24.466
WITHIN THE
CHURCH BECAUSE

38:24.566 --> 38:25.766
THE ENEMY HATES THAT STUFF.

38:25.866 --> 38:27.633
SO HE'S GOING TO
TRY TO, YOU KNOW,

38:27.733 --> 38:28.199
SNUFF THAT OUT.

38:28.299 --> 38:29.066
STOP THAT.

38:29.166 --> 38:31.200
VICTORY: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

38:31.300 --> 38:33.299
REBECCA: AND HERE YOU
HAVE SOMEONE THAT,

38:33.399 --> 38:35.399
YOU KNOW, WAS NEW.

38:35.499 --> 38:36.599
HE GREW UP
IN CHURCH AND STUFF,

38:36.699 --> 38:39.132
BUT HE WAS NEW TO
SURRENDERING HIS LIFE TO GOD.

38:39.232 --> 38:41.299
AND HE'S IN A VERY, THAT'S
A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION

38:41.399 --> 38:41.900
TO BE IN.

38:42.000 --> 38:42.600
VICTORY: VULNERABLE.

38:42.700 --> 38:43.733
REBECCA: SUPER VULNERABLE.

38:43.833 --> 38:47.099
AND PEOPLE WHO USED HIM
AND ABUSED HIM, YOU KNOW.

38:47.199 --> 38:49.933
AND SO HE WAS IN A VERY
DIFFICULT SPOT HIMSELF.

38:50.033 --> 38:51.232
VICTORY: YEAH.

38:51.332 --> 38:51.699
YEAH.

38:51.799 --> 38:52.633
YEAH.

38:52.733 --> 38:54.433
THERE'S A LOT BEHIND
THE SCENES THAT I

38:54.533 --> 38:55.832
GOT TO WITNESS AND...

38:55.932 --> 38:57.832
REBECCA: AND THAT MOST
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

38:57.932 --> 39:00.033
YEAH, I THINK IF PEOPLE
SAW LIKE THE FULL PICTURE,

39:00.133 --> 39:02.266
I THINK THEY WOULD LOOK
AT HIM DIFFERENTLY.

39:02.366 --> 39:03.066
VICTORY: YEAH.

39:03.166 --> 39:04.466
NO, ABSOLUTELY,
ABSOLUTELY.

39:04.566 --> 39:07.099
DEFINITELY A LOT OF GRACE.

39:07.199 --> 39:09.866
WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW,
MEASURE THINGS THROUGH

39:09.966 --> 39:11.266
THROUGH GRACE AND
UNDERSTANDING AND

39:11.366 --> 39:13.099
COMPASSION BECAUSE NO ONE
REALLY KNOWS WHAT IT'S

39:13.199 --> 39:15.200
LIKE TO WALK HIS SHOES.

39:15.300 --> 39:18.433
YOU KNOW, THAT
EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW...

39:18.533 --> 39:20.366
REBECCA: WHAT DID YOU
LEARN FROM IT?

39:20.466 --> 39:21.866
VICTORY: I LEARNED A LOT.

39:21.966 --> 39:26.166
I LEARNED, WELL, I LEARNED
HOW TO WRITE BETTER SONGS.

39:26.266 --> 39:27.266
REBECCA: YEAH.

39:27.366 --> 39:31.566
VICTORY: THE BIGGEST THING
I LEARNED IS THAT AS

39:31.666 --> 39:36.099
CHRISTIANS, WE CAN HOLD
SPACE IN THE HIGHEST PLACE

39:36.199 --> 39:41.566
OF CULTURE AND AMPLIFY THE
TRUE MESSAGE THAT GOD HAS

39:41.666 --> 39:44.966
MANDATED US TO CARRY,
AND WE CAN DO IT

39:45.066 --> 39:46.066
AS AN ART FORM.

39:46.166 --> 39:47.166
REBECCA: YEAH.

39:47.266 --> 39:50.499
VICTORY: AND, AND WHEN YOU
HAVE EXCELLENT ART,

39:50.599 --> 39:53.266
IT CAN HOLD ITS OWN, EVEN --

39:53.366 --> 39:56.199
YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE
DON'T AGREE WITH DEVIL

39:56.299 --> 39:58.032
WORSHIPING AND ALL
OF THESE THINGS.

39:58.132 --> 40:01.532
YET, IT'S AN -- WHEN YOU
SEE A PERFORMANCE

40:01.632 --> 40:04.666
ON THE GRAMMYS
LIKE SAM SMITH,

40:04.766 --> 40:06.600
IT'S AN HONOR.

40:06.700 --> 40:08.599
IT'S LIKE WE CAN'T
DISCRIMINATE AGAINST HIM

40:08.699 --> 40:10.499
BECAUSE THAT'S HIS ART.

40:10.599 --> 40:11.966
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

40:12.066 --> 40:14.866
AND SO BUT A LOT OF TIMES
CHRISTIANS AREN'T AFFORDED

40:14.966 --> 40:18.099
THAT SAME LICENSE.

40:18.199 --> 40:22.133
YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES
ARE WE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE,

40:22.233 --> 40:23.966
OH, THAT'S RELIGIOUS?

40:24.066 --> 40:24.566
NO.

40:24.666 --> 40:25.966
THIS IS MY ART FORM.

40:26.066 --> 40:26.566
REBECCA: EXACTLY.

40:26.666 --> 40:27.732
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

40:27.832 --> 40:32.099
LIKE MY SPIRITUALITY IS
MIXED IN WITH MY ART FORM.

40:32.199 --> 40:33.400
REBECCA: BECAUSE IT'S AN
EXTENSION OF WHO YOU ARE.

40:33.500 --> 40:34.666
EXACTLY.

40:34.766 --> 40:37.566
AND SO IN THE SAME WAY
THAT I RESPECT ALL OF

40:37.666 --> 40:40.332
THESE OTHER FORMS OF ART,
THEY GET ON STAGE AND

40:40.432 --> 40:42.133
THEY'RE STRIPPING
AND ALL THIS,

40:42.233 --> 40:43.033
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

40:43.133 --> 40:44.500
IT'S LIKE, OKAY,
THAT'S YOUR LICENSE.

40:44.600 --> 40:46.232
THAT'S HOW YOU FEEL.

40:46.332 --> 40:47.799
THAT'S YOUR TRUTH.

40:47.899 --> 40:50.399
JUST DON'T COME AT ME
WHEN I'M DOING MY TRUTH.

40:50.499 --> 40:51.032
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

40:51.132 --> 40:51.966
REBECCA: EXACTLY:

40:52.066 --> 40:54.533
VICTORY: AND SO AND SO
I GOT TO SEE.

40:54.633 --> 40:55.633
BUT HERE'S THE THING.

40:55.733 --> 41:01.132
A LOT OF TIMES, CHRISTIAN
MUSIC IS NOT PACKAGED IN

41:01.232 --> 41:03.733
AS EXCELLENT ART.

41:03.833 --> 41:04.933
REBECCA: YEAH.

41:05.033 --> 41:07.899
VICTORY: IT'S A LOT OF TIMES
SPECIFICALLY PACKAGED FOR

41:07.999 --> 41:12.699
THESE FORMATS OF, OF RADIO
OR LIKE WHETHER IT BE,

41:12.799 --> 41:16.166
OH, THIS IS FOR THE 11 A.M.

41:16.266 --> 41:23.299
SUNDAY MORNING WORSHIP SET
AT OUR, YOU KNOW, THE,

41:23.399 --> 41:25.732
YOU KNOW, THE WHITE CHURCH
IN OUR COMMUNITY OR THIS

41:25.832 --> 41:27.899
IS FOR THE 11 A.M.

41:27.999 --> 41:29.732
SUNDAY MORNING SERVICE
FOR THE BLACK CHURCH

41:29.832 --> 41:30.799
IN OUR COMMUNITY.

41:30.899 --> 41:35.432
IT'S LIKE IT'S ALL CREATED
WITHIN THESE BOXES

41:35.532 --> 41:37.466
AND STRUCTURES AND CONFINES...

41:37.566 --> 41:39.466
REBECCA: WHICH LIMITS,
LIMITS THE ART.

41:39.566 --> 41:40.932
VICTORY: IT LIMITS THE ART.

41:41.032 --> 41:44.200
WHEREAS IN THE WORLD,
THEY JUST EXPRESS IT HOW

41:44.300 --> 41:46.132
IT COMES, WHETHER IT
MAKES SENSE OR NOT.

41:46.232 --> 41:48.532
IT'S JUST THIS
IS WHO I AM,

41:48.632 --> 41:51.299
AND IT'S NOT BEING
FILTERED THROUGH THE LENS

41:51.399 --> 41:55.466
OF HOW CAN I BE THE
BEST CHRISTIAN ARTIST?

41:55.566 --> 41:57.300
YOU KNOW, HOW CAN I BE
THE BEST IN THE BOX

41:57.400 --> 41:58.766
THAT IS GOSPEL?

41:58.866 --> 42:03.366
HOW CAN I BE THE BEST
IN THE BOX THAT IS CCM?

42:03.466 --> 42:05.133
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
LITERALLY ARE CREATING

42:05.233 --> 42:07.732
MUSIC SO THEY CAN BE
THE BEST ON K-LOVE.

42:07.832 --> 42:10.233
THEY CAN BE THE BEST
ON THE DOVE AWARDS

42:10.333 --> 42:12.433
OR STELLAR AWARDS,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

42:12.533 --> 42:15.099
BUT IT'S JUST LIKE MY GOAL
WAS ALWAYS JUST TO BE

42:15.199 --> 42:16.200
THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

42:16.300 --> 42:17.200
REBECCA: YEAH.

42:17.300 --> 42:20.499
VICTORY: YOU KNOW,
EXPRESSING WHO, WHO I AM

42:20.599 --> 42:22.499
AND WHO GOD IS IN ME,

42:22.599 --> 42:23.566
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

42:23.666 --> 42:26.332
AND SO WHEN I SAW WHAT
THAT LOOKED LIKE FROM

42:26.432 --> 42:28.666
SOMEONE WHO IS CONSIDERED
THE BEST IN THE WORLD...

42:28.766 --> 42:29.799
REBECCA: YEAH.

42:29.899 --> 42:33.999
VICTORY: YOU KNOW, THE WAY
KANYE'S MIND WORKS IS

42:34.099 --> 42:38.466
JUST, LIKE, UNLOCKED A
NEW LEVEL OF FREEDOM,

42:38.566 --> 42:41.033
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION,
LIKE THAT,

42:41.133 --> 42:43.466
IT'S LIKE, OH, OKAY, THIS
IS WHERE -- THIS IS OUR

42:43.566 --> 42:45.032
INHERITANCE AS SAINTS.

42:45.132 --> 42:46.799
BUT A LOT OF TIMES, WE
DON'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF

42:46.899 --> 42:50.500
WHAT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION
LOOKS LIKE IN THE CHURCH.

42:50.600 --> 42:53.766
YOU KNOW, HOW CAN I
BE SUCCESSFUL VERSUS

42:53.866 --> 42:56.166
UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE
ALREADY SUCCESSFUL

42:56.266 --> 42:57.799
IN CHRIST.

42:57.899 --> 42:58.799
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

42:58.899 --> 42:59.733
REBECCA: SO WHETHER --

42:59.833 --> 43:00.933
VICTORY: DON'T STRIVE
FOR SOMETHING,

43:01.033 --> 43:01.900
LIVE FROM SOMETHING.

43:02.000 --> 43:02.699
VICTORY: RIGHT.

43:02.799 --> 43:03.700
WHATEVER THE
NUMBERS SAY,

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THAT'S NOT GOING TO
CHANGE THE FACT THAT

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I AM VICTORY IN CHRIST.

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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

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REBECCA: AND THE NUMBERS
DON'T NECESSARILY

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REFLECT SUCCESS.

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VICTORY: RIGHT.

43:12.866 --> 43:13.866
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU
CAN DO SOMETHING

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AND PEOPLE CAN LOVE IT.

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BUT IF IT'S NOT WHAT THE
LORD WANTED YOU TO DO,

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IT'S NOT SUCCESS.

43:18.299 --> 43:19.200
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

43:19.300 --> 43:21.233
REBECCA: SO KINGDOM SUCCESS
IS DIFFERENT

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THAN WORLDLY SUCCESS,

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AND WE
CAN'T GET CAUGHT

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UP IN THE NUMBERS GAME

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AND THAT GAME.

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NUMBERS ARE NOT
NECESSARILY BAD.

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VICTORY: NO.

43:28.966 --> 43:30.599
REBECCA: BUT YOU CAN'T
MEASURE YOUR SUCCESS.

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YOUR SUCCESS IS THE LEVEL
OF OBEDIENCE TO WHAT GOD

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HAS CALLED YOU TO DO
AND HAVE YOU DONE

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IT WITH EXCELLENCE?

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VICTORY: RIGHT.

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THAT PART.

43:37.933 --> 43:39.066
REBECCA: YOU SAID SOMETHING
REALLY INTERESTING.

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YOU SAID THROUGH THAT
EXPERIENCE YOU WERE LIKE,

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WOW, BELIEVERS CAN HOLD
THIS SPACE AND CREATE IN

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THIS SPACE WITHOUT
RESTRICTION,

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WITHOUT JUST TRYING TO
PLEASE A SMALL GROUP OF

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PEOPLE IN THIS BOX.

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YOU REALIZE IT'S LIKE
WE CAN BE UP HERE,

43:54.500 --> 43:57.533
BUT A THING THAT I SEE
HAPPENING WITH PEOPLE WHO

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GET UP THERE IS THEY GET
ENAMORED WITH BEING UP THERE.

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VICTORY: OH, YEAH.

44:02.399 --> 44:04.932
REBECCA: AND THEN
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT YOU,

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WHERE YOU HAVE
BEEN DIFFERENT,

44:06.766 --> 44:08.132
IS THAT YOU HAVEN'T
COMPROMISED

44:08.232 --> 44:10.933
WHO YOU ARE TO
BE UP THERE.

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BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES
THEIR ANOINTING,

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I JUST SEE THIS
ALL THE TIME.

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THEIR ANOINTING
AND THEIR GIFTING,

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GET THEM UP THERE.

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AND THEN ONCE THEY
THEY'RE UP THERE,

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THEY COMPROMISE BECAUSE
THEY LIKE BEING UP THERE.

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THEY LIKE HOLDING
THAT INFLUENCE.

44:22.566 --> 44:24.333
BUT YOU HAVE TO --

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THE THING WITH IN
THIS SPACE

44:25.899 --> 44:28.499
AND IN THIS WORLD IS THAT
YOU ARE GOING TO BE PUT ON

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THE SPOT BECAUSE
WE'RE JUST IN SUCH

44:30.533 --> 44:31.600
AN OPINIONATED SOCIETY.

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WE'RE ALWAYS ASKING
PEOPLE,

44:32.866 --> 44:34.766
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
THIS ISSUE AND THIS ISSUE?

44:34.866 --> 44:36.799
AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY
PUTTING PEOPLE THAT EVEN

44:36.899 --> 44:38.900
IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE
VOCAL IN THIS DAY AND AGE,

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YOU ALMOST CAN'T
AVOID IT ANYMORE.

44:40.799 --> 44:43.832
AND SO, SO MANY TIMES WHEN THEY
WOULD GET PRESSED IN THEIR

44:43.932 --> 44:45.699
FAITH, THINGS
THAT AS BELIEVERS,

44:45.799 --> 44:47.799
WHAT WE WOULD SAY WOULD BE
CONSIDERED CONTROVERSIAL

44:47.899 --> 44:49.700
FROM A WORLDLY
PERSPECTIVE, THEY WOULD,

44:49.800 --> 44:52.633
YOU KNOW, HOLD BACK
OR COMPROMISE

44:52.733 --> 44:56.032
OR CHANGE THEIR BELIEFS,

44:56.132 --> 44:58.900
BUT YOU LOSE, WHEN
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU COMP --

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IT'S LIKE, THIS IS
THE WAY I SAY IT.

45:00.400 --> 45:02.999
COMPROMISE NEVER
HELPS THE CHURCH.

45:03.099 --> 45:04.600
IT ONLY HURTS
THE CHURCH.

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AND I THINK PEOPLE
THINK IF I COMPROMISE,

45:06.566 --> 45:07.966
I'LL REACH MORE
PEOPLE IN THE WORLD,

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BUT IT ALWAYS ENDS UP
JUST HURTING THE CHURCH.

45:10.299 --> 45:13.332
VICTORY: WILL YOU STILL BE THE
CHURCH IF YOU COMPROMISED?

45:13.432 --> 45:14.166
REBECCA: EXACTLY.

45:14.266 --> 45:14.932
VICTORY: YOU KNOW WHAT
I MEAN?

45:15.032 --> 45:15.966
WILL IT STILL OR
WILL IT JUST

45:16.066 --> 45:17.533
BE A SOCIAL GATHERING?

45:17.633 --> 45:19.800
REBECCA: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

45:19.900 --> 45:22.099
BECAUSE PEOPLE MAKE
CHURCH A CULTURE THING AND

45:22.199 --> 45:23.966
THEN IT'S ABOUT
HAVING SOMETHING,

45:24.066 --> 45:25.633
A CULTURAL EXPERIENCE,
NOT A REAL ENCOUNTER

45:25.733 --> 45:26.333
WITH THE LORD,

45:26.433 --> 45:26.999
VICTORY: RIGHT.

45:27.099 --> 45:28.966
THAT PART, THAT PART.

45:29.066 --> 45:32.766
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST
IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO

45:32.866 --> 45:35.732
MAINTAIN THE WHOLE
REASON WHY YOU'RE THERE.

45:35.832 --> 45:39.266
BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU JUST
BECOME LIKE EVERYONE ELSE

45:39.366 --> 45:41.566
WHO'S JUST SIMPLY
THERE TO, YOU KNOW,

45:41.666 --> 45:44.666
YOU GOT YOU
HAVE TO REMOVE

45:44.766 --> 45:48.299
THIS NEED TO FOR VALIDATION
OUT OF THE EQUATION.

45:48.399 --> 45:49.899
IF YOU'RE CLIMBING
BECAUSE YOU NEED

45:49.999 --> 45:52.066
TO BE VALIDATED
BECAUSE YOU NEED TO,

45:52.166 --> 45:53.799
YOU NEED YOUR MOM TO SAY

45:53.899 --> 45:54.833
I'M PROUD OF YOU.

45:54.933 --> 45:58.599
OR, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED
TO FEEL LIKE REDEEM

45:58.699 --> 46:01.799
YOUR FAMILY NAME OR LIKE
ALL OF THESE REASONS.

46:01.899 --> 46:04.132
WELL, IF THAT'S
YOUR MOTIVE,

46:04.232 --> 46:06.366
IT CAN BE THOSE MOTIVES
CAN PULL YOU IN A LOT

46:06.466 --> 46:07.766
OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

46:07.866 --> 46:08.499
REBECCA: YEAH.

46:08.599 --> 46:09.533
VICTORY: YOU KNOW, AND SO...

46:09.633 --> 46:10.266
REBECCA: THAT'S SO TRUE.

46:10.366 --> 46:11.500
VICTORY: YEAH.

46:11.600 --> 46:14.066
THE LORD KIND OF HAD TO
REMOVE THESE HOOKS OUT OF ME.

46:14.166 --> 46:16.933
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT
HERE AND SAY THAT I DON'T

46:17.033 --> 46:18.566
HAVE ANYMORE HOOKS IN ME.

46:18.666 --> 46:23.599
BUT, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS
THAT WITH EVERY PASSING YEAR,

46:23.699 --> 46:26.966
HE HAS TAKEN ME
THROUGH PRUNING SEASONS,

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WILDERNESS SEASONS, SO
THAT I CAN BE REFINED MORE,

46:30.566 --> 46:33.133
SO THAT I CAN BE ENTRUSTED
WITH MORE SPACES

46:33.233 --> 46:34.199
AND MORE INFLUENCE.

46:34.299 --> 46:37.933
AND THERE'S SO MUCH
INFLUENCE IN SPACES THAT

46:38.033 --> 46:40.633
I'VE YET TO REACH AND
NUMBERS THAT I'VE YET TO SEE.

46:40.733 --> 46:43.833
AND SO THAT MUST
MEAN THAT HE'S STILL

46:43.933 --> 46:45.600
DEVELOPING ME IN WAYS...

46:45.700 --> 46:46.200
REBECCA: PREPARING.

46:46.300 --> 46:47.366
VICTORY: YEAH, YEAH.

46:47.466 --> 46:51.066
AND SO I DON'T MIND NOT
HAVING THE NUMBER ONE SONG

46:51.166 --> 46:52.066
OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

46:52.166 --> 46:56.633
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN
TIME AS I'M READY,

46:56.733 --> 46:57.633
YOU KNOW, THERE'S
NOTHING HE'S GOING

46:57.733 --> 46:58.766
TO WITHHOLD FROM ME.

46:58.866 --> 47:01.200
YOU KNOW, HE JUST WANTS
ME TO BE PREPARED

47:01.300 --> 47:02.066
FOR EVERY BLESSING.

47:02.166 --> 47:03.666
SO IT
DOESN'T CRUSH ME,

47:03.766 --> 47:04.832
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

47:04.932 --> 47:08.466
AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT
OF PREPARATION ON THE BACK

47:08.566 --> 47:11.233
END OF THIS WHOLE,
WHOLE JOURNEY.

47:11.333 --> 47:12.366
REBECCA: AND IT'S
STILL HAPPENING.

47:12.466 --> 47:14.833
VICTORY: OH, VERY MUCH, VERY
MUCH SO,

47:14.933 --> 47:15.966
VERY MUCH SO.

47:16.066 --> 47:18.799
BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
<i>THE GLORY HOUR</i> AND HOW

47:18.899 --> 47:20.400
THAT CONNECTED WITH...

47:20.500 --> 47:21.133
REBECCA: HERE IT IS.

47:21.233 --> 47:22.332
VICTORY: THIS WHOLE JOURNEY.

47:22.432 --> 47:22.999
RIGHT.

47:23.099 --> 47:23.500
REBECCA: TALK ABOUT IT.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

47:24.666 --> 47:27.633
SO AFTER I WRITE THESE
SONGS FOR KANYE, I'M,

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I CAN'T GO, I
CAN'T GO BACK.

47:29.666 --> 47:31.699
I MEAN, SURE, I COULD
WRITE PARABLES OR

47:31.799 --> 47:34.666
WHATEVER, BUT IT'S LIKE,
I KNOW TOO MUCH NOW.

47:34.766 --> 47:35.600
I'VE SEEN TOO MUCH.

47:35.700 --> 47:36.966
I'VE SEEN WHAT GOD CAN DO.

47:37.066 --> 47:39.166
I'VE SEEN WHERE
GOSPEL MUSIC CAN GO,

47:39.266 --> 47:42.366
AND I'VE SEEN AND
I'VE BEEN A PART OF.

47:42.466 --> 47:45.566
I WAS ACTUALLY A PART
OF PROBABLY THE BIGGEST

47:45.666 --> 47:48.566
GOSPEL ALBUM
OF THE DECADE.

47:48.666 --> 47:49.566
REBECCA: YEAH.

47:49.666 --> 47:50.799
VICTORY: YOU KNOW, BUT IT
WASN'T SUSTAINED.

47:50.899 --> 47:53.133
YOU KNOW, THE MOVEMENT
WASN'T SUSTAINED.

47:53.233 --> 47:55.199
BUT THERE WAS A
REMNANT, YOU KNOW,

47:55.299 --> 47:57.932
OF PEOPLE FROM THIS,
FROM THAT PROJECT.

47:58.032 --> 48:00.732
I BEING ONE OF THEM AND
ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF OTHER

48:00.832 --> 48:03.666
PRODUCERS THAT WORKED ON
THAT PROJECT THAT WERE

48:03.766 --> 48:10.399
ALSO CHRISTIANS TOGETHER,
WORKED ON THIS PROJECT AS A,

48:10.499 --> 48:16.233
AS A WAY OF CONTINUING
THE ASSIGNMENT,

48:16.333 --> 48:17.800
LIKE KANYE OPENED
THE DOOR, RIGHT?

48:17.900 --> 48:18.866
REBECCA: YEAH.

48:18.966 --> 48:21.266
VICTORY: IT WAS ALMOST
LIKE EVERYTHING DIED,

48:21.366 --> 48:24.766
LIKE IT WASN'T SUSTAINED.

48:24.866 --> 48:28.366
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE
LORD ALLOWED EVERYTHING TO

48:28.466 --> 48:31.332
HAPPEN THE WAY IT DID.

48:31.432 --> 48:37.533
BUT HIS INTENT WAS FOR ME
TO SEE IT AND GET A VISION

48:37.633 --> 48:40.466
OF WHERE HE WANTS TO GO
AND WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

48:40.566 --> 48:41.633
REBECCA: WOW.

48:41.733 --> 48:46.933
VICTORY: AND FOR ALSO ME TO
LEARN HOW IT WAS DONE.

48:47.033 --> 48:48.033
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

48:48.133 --> 48:50.633
CREATIVELY
SEEING THE PROCESS.

48:50.733 --> 48:51.732
REBECCA: LEARNING FROM
ONE OF THE BEST.

48:51.832 --> 48:52.900
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

48:53.000 --> 48:54.766
AND SO WE COULD DO
IT AGAIN AND THEN DO IT

48:54.866 --> 48:56.100
AGAIN AND THEN
DO IT AGAIN.

48:56.200 --> 48:58.966
REBECCA: AND I LOVE THAT YOU
SAID THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT DIED,

48:59.066 --> 49:02.132
THERE WAS A REMNANT
THAT REMAINED AND LIVED ON.

49:02.232 --> 49:03.333
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

49:03.433 --> 49:04.866
REBECCA: AND YOU SAW A
POWERFUL LESSON THAT, YES,

49:04.966 --> 49:05.999
WE CAN BE IN THIS SPACE.

49:06.099 --> 49:08.299
YES, WE CAN MAKE CHANGE,
BUT WE HAVE TO DO

49:08.399 --> 49:09.832
THE THINGS TO SUSTAIN.

49:09.932 --> 49:12.300
AND YET BUT I ALSO THINK
YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE

49:12.400 --> 49:15.166
BEAUTY OF A LIFE THAT IS
LIVING THE WAY THAT GOD

49:15.266 --> 49:17.800
DESIGNED IT TO BE, AND
A LIFE

49:17.900 --> 49:19.566
THAT REFLECTS HIS
GLORY.

49:19.666 --> 49:20.933
THAT CAN ONLY
COME FROM HIM.

49:21.033 --> 49:23.100
VICTORY: YEAH, YEAH,
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

49:23.200 --> 49:25.766
AND SO THAT'S THE,
THAT'S THE THING.

49:25.866 --> 49:28.800
YOU KNOW, I
REALLY WANT TO

49:28.900 --> 49:32.033
SEE THE LORD DO THIS WORK
IN THE ENTERTAINMENT

49:32.133 --> 49:37.032
INDUSTRY BECAUSE A SONG
HAS MORE POWER THAN,

49:37.132 --> 49:39.332
THAN, THAN POLICY.

49:39.432 --> 49:43.132
YOU KNOW, WE SEE ALL OF THE,
ALL OF THE

49:43.232 --> 49:46.266
WEIGHT THAT GOES INTO
SHAPING OUR GOVERNMENT

49:46.366 --> 49:50.233
SYSTEM AND OUR LAW SYSTEM
AND OUR POLICY MAKERS,

49:50.333 --> 49:51.899
THE POLITICAL SCENE.

49:51.999 --> 49:56.499
BUT NO ONE THINKS
TO CHECK THE ARTISTS

49:56.599 --> 49:59.032
THAT ARE SHAPING
THE MINDS OF THE MASSES.

49:59.132 --> 49:59.832
REBECCA: SHAPING.

49:59.932 --> 50:00.999
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

50:01.099 --> 50:03.932
REBECCA: I MEAN, A MASSIVE
INFLUENCE INTO SOCIETY.

50:04.032 --> 50:06.933
AND THAT BREAKS THROUGH
ALL DIFFERENT GROUPS OF

50:07.033 --> 50:09.000
PEOPLE, DIFFERENT AGES.

50:09.100 --> 50:11.966
AND I MEAN, IT'S
TRUE, YOU CAN STUDY

50:12.066 --> 50:14.266
HOW MUSIC SHAPES A
GENERATION.

50:14.366 --> 50:15.566
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

50:15.666 --> 50:18.666
MUSIC, MOVIES,
GAMES, YOU KNOW,

50:18.766 --> 50:19.532
ALL THESE --

50:19.632 --> 50:20.099
REBECCA: IT'S ART,
ENTERTAINMENT.

50:20.199 --> 50:21.233
VICTORY: IT'S ART.

50:21.333 --> 50:22.433
REBECCA: IT'S JUST THERE'S
SOMETHING SO POWERFUL

50:22.533 --> 50:23.699
AND THERE'S SOMETHING
VERY POWERFUL

50:23.799 --> 50:25.166
ABOUT MUSIC LIKE THAT

50:25.266 --> 50:28.632
WE CAN REMEMBER SONGS
FROM 20 YEARS AGO THAT WE

50:28.732 --> 50:30.699
LISTENED TO 20 YEARS AGO,
AND IT CAN REMIND YOU OF A

50:30.799 --> 50:32.799
OF A CERTAIN PLACE
AND TIME AND SEASON,

50:32.899 --> 50:33.899
LIKE THERE'S JUST,
I DON'T KNOW,

50:33.999 --> 50:35.433
MUSIC IS SO POWERFUL.

50:35.533 --> 50:36.199
VICTORY: YEAH.

50:36.299 --> 50:37.399
REBECCA: AND SO WHAT A THING,

50:37.499 --> 50:39.099
IF WE COULD
HARNESS IT FOR HIM.

50:39.199 --> 50:40.366
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

50:40.466 --> 50:41.432
WE HAVE TO.

50:41.532 --> 50:42.900
REBECCA: AND NOT PUSH
IT TO THE LITTLE BOX.

50:43.000 --> 50:43.700
VICTORY: RIGHT.

50:43.800 --> 50:44.432
REBECCA: OF PEOPLE
ON 11 A.M.

50:44.532 --> 50:45.099
ON A SUNDAY,

50:45.199 --> 50:45.966
BUT TO THE WHOLE WORLD.

50:46.066 --> 50:47.066
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

50:47.166 --> 50:49.566
WE NEED TO BE ON ALL THE
RADIO STATIONS IN EVERY

50:49.666 --> 50:53.166
GENRE AS CHRISTIANS,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

50:53.266 --> 50:55.532
AND, AND WE NEED
TO BE SUPPORTED.

50:55.632 --> 50:57.499
ARTISTS NEED TO BE
SUPPORTED IN ALL OF THESE

50:57.599 --> 51:01.400
DIFFERENT GENRES AS
CHRISTIANS AND A LOT OF

51:01.500 --> 51:06.232
TIMES WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE WAY THAT THE INDUSTRY

51:06.332 --> 51:10.266
ENDED UP THIS WAY IS LIKE
THERE WERE POWERFUL PEOPLE

51:10.366 --> 51:14.299
WITH A LOT OF RESOURCES
SPECIFICALLY PUTTING

51:14.399 --> 51:17.866
RESOURCES BEHIND MESSAGES
AND ARTISTS THAT HAVE

51:17.966 --> 51:21.999
MESSAGES THAT WOULD
INFLUENCE THE WORLD

51:22.099 --> 51:26.466
AND THE COMMUNITIES IN,
IN A, IN A UNGODLY WAY.

51:26.566 --> 51:27.533
REBECCA: AND THE WAY THAT
THEY WANTED.

51:27.633 --> 51:29.033
VICTORY: EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

51:29.133 --> 51:30.899
AND SO AS THE CHURCH,
I BELIEVE IT'S OUR

51:30.999 --> 51:32.833
RESPONSIBILITY
TO DO THE SAME.

51:32.933 --> 51:34.366
WE HAVE TO PULL
RESOURCES TOGETHER.

51:34.466 --> 51:35.499
WE HAVE TO ORGANIZE
THE ARTISTS.

51:35.599 --> 51:36.966
WE HAVE TO
EMPOWER ARTISTS.

51:37.066 --> 51:40.033
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT
UNIQUE ARTISTS THAT CAN'T

51:40.133 --> 51:43.733
FIND THEIR PLACE IN THE
CHURCH BECAUSE THEIR

51:43.833 --> 51:46.400
STYLE IS NOT THE
STYLE OF THE 11 A.M.

51:46.500 --> 51:49.233
SUNDAY MORNING
WORSHIP SERVICE.

51:49.333 --> 51:50.399
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

51:50.499 --> 51:53.033
AND SO IT'S LIKE, BUT THAT
DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEIR

51:53.133 --> 51:56.066
ASSIGNMENT IS NOT NEEDED

51:56.166 --> 51:57.166
AND VALID.

51:57.266 --> 51:59.099
THERE NEEDS TO BE AN
ATTACHING, YOU KNOW,

51:59.199 --> 52:04.133
OF THESE DIFFERENT FORMS
OF ARTISTIC EXPRESSIONS TO

52:04.233 --> 52:08.566
THE BODY OF CHRIST THAT
CARRIES THAT AGENDA TO

52:08.666 --> 52:10.033
FURTHER, YOU KNOW,
TO FULFILL

52:10.133 --> 52:11.332
THE GREAT COMMISSION.

52:11.432 --> 52:14.533
YOU KNOW, NONE OF THE
DISCIPLES OR APOSTLES

52:14.633 --> 52:16.899
FULFILLED THE GREAT
COMMISSION BY THEMSELVES.

52:16.999 --> 52:17.966
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

52:18.066 --> 52:21.032
IT WAS TOGETHER WITH THE
BODY AT LEAST BY TWOS,

52:21.132 --> 52:23.932
THEY WERE SENT OUT, YOU
KNOW, AND SO, YOU KNOW,

52:24.032 --> 52:29.100
THIS ALBUM IS NOT JUST,
IT'S NOT JUST AN ALBUM,

52:29.200 --> 52:30.200
IT'S A BRIDGE.

52:30.300 --> 52:32.599
IT'S SETTING A PRECEDENT.

52:32.699 --> 52:35.599
THIS FIRST ALBUM ON
THIS LABEL, ROC NATION,

52:35.699 --> 52:37.066
THAT IS A GOSPEL ALBUM.

52:37.166 --> 52:40.466
YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T
EXPECT IT TO BE THE LAST,

52:40.566 --> 52:41.200
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

52:41.300 --> 52:42.399
REBECCA: YEAH.

52:42.499 --> 52:44.066
VICTORY: LIKE SETTING PRECEDENT
OF THE GOSPEL IN THE

52:44.166 --> 52:50.200
MAINSTREAM, YOU KNOW,
SECULAR ARENAS AND

52:50.300 --> 52:51.766
CREATING AN EXAMPLE.

52:51.866 --> 52:56.199
AS FOR CREATING A ROAD
THAT OTHER ARTISTS CAN

52:56.299 --> 52:57.366
COME DOWN AS WELL.

52:57.466 --> 52:58.132
REBECCA: YEAH.

52:58.232 --> 52:58.766
VICTORY: YOU KNOW, I DON'T --

52:58.866 --> 52:59.299
REBECCA: PAVING A WAY.

52:59.399 --> 53:00.433
VICTORY: EXACTLY.

53:00.533 --> 53:03.332
I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT I CAN SAY THAT

53:03.432 --> 53:05.532
I'M FOLLOWING THEIR
EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW,

53:05.632 --> 53:08.533
IN TERMS OF LIKE BEING IN
THE INDUSTRY AND WHO ARE

53:08.633 --> 53:14.066
CARRYING THE SAME MANDATE
IN THIS SAME ARENA.

53:14.166 --> 53:15.399
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT
OF PEOPLE CARRYING THE

53:15.499 --> 53:17.599
MANDATE OF THE GOSPEL
IN GOSPEL MUSIC.

53:17.699 --> 53:20.566
BUT I FULLY EXPECT THAT
THIS, THIS REVOLUTION,

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IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS
JUST GOD IS NOT JUST GOING

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TO USE ONE PERSON, BUT
IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE

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ARMY AND OF DIFFERENT
ARTISTS AND DIFFERENT

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SKILL SETS, DIFFERENT
SOUNDS, DIFFERENT GENRES,

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DIFFERENT RACES,
DIFFERENT,

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BUT ALL WITH ONE SPIRIT.

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REBECCA: YEAH.

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THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

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VICTORY: YEAH.

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REBECCA: WELL, THEY'RE
TELLING ME YOU HAVE TO GO.

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[ LAUGHTER ]

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REBECCA: I JUST FEEL
THIS FLOW,

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AND I DON'T WANT TO
INTERRUPT IT.

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I DON'T EVEN KNOW
HOW TO END THIS,

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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

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BECAUSE IT'S SO GOOD.

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THIS IS LIKE SO
UNORTHODOX TO ME.

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USUALLY I'M LIKE A LITTLE
MORE LIKE STRUCTURED.

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VICTORY: SORRY.

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I TALK A LOT.

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I'M LONG-WINDED.

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REBECCA: NO, WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING IS SO IMPORTANT

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AND NEEDED, AND IT'S
BEAUTIFUL AND I JUST FEEL

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THE SPIRIT ON IT.

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SO I DON'T WANT TO
LIKE CUT IT SHORT.

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THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF
DYING A LITTLE BIT,

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BECAUSE I'M LIKE I
DON'T WANT TO END.

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SO PLEASE COME BACK
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF

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OTHER THINGS I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT WITH YOU

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AND EVEN MORE ON THIS.

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YOU KNOW WHAT?

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BUT, YOU KNOW,
MY PRODUCERS,

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THEY TELL ME, THEY'RE LIKE,
JUST CUT IT AND HAVE THEM

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COME BACK AND THEN
MAKE PEOPLE WANT MORE.

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SO I'M GOING TO WRAP,
NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO.

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SO VICTORY,

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WILL YOU COME BACK?

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VICTORY: I'D LOVE TO.

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REBECCA: OKAY.

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WELL, YOU HEARD
IT HERE FIRST.

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SO VICTORY, THANK YOU,

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FIRST OF ALL, SO MUCH
FOR SHARING YOUR HEART.

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THANK YOU FOR PIONEERING
AND MAKING A WAY,

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NOT JUST THINKING
ABOUT YOURSELF,

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BUT REALLY FOCUSING ON
HIM AND GLORIFYING HIM,

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BUT YET MAKING A WAY
FOR THOSE BEHIND YOU.

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I JUST THINK THAT'S
SUCH A BEAUTIFUL THING.

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WE'RE GOING TO BE PRAYING
FOR HER AND LIFTING HER UP

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IN PRAYER, GUYS, BECAUSE
WHAT SHE'S DOING IS SO

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IMPORTANT AND JUST THANK
YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

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FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
HEAR MORE FROM YOU,

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GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU,

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WHERE IS THE BEST WAY
THEY CAN FIND YOU?

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VICTORY: YEAH, YEAH.

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SO IF YOU GO TO MY
WEBSITE, VICTORYBOYD.COM,

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YOU'LL SEE ALL
OF MY TOUR DATES.

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YOU'LL SEE MY -- YOU CAN
PURCHASE A VINYL RECORD OF

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<i>GLORY HOUR</i> OR THE PHYSICAL
COPIES OF THE CD'S.

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AND ALSO HAVE ALL OF THE
SITES WHERE YOU CAN STREAM IT,

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AND ALL OF THAT.

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BUT IF YOU ALSO GO TO

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VICTORY BOYD ON
INSTAGRAM OR FACEBOOK

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OR YOUTUBE, YOU'LL FIND ME
THERE AS WELL.

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REBECCA: WELL, THANK
YOU SO MUCH.

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YOU HEARD IT.

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HER ALBUM<i>GLORY HOUR.</i>

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IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

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YOU CAN GET THAT ON ANY
STREAMING, PURCHASE IT.

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SUPPORT THE ARTIST.

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AND LIKE I SAID, VICTORY,

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

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WE LOVE AND
APPRECIATE YOU HERE.

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VICTORY: IT'S MY PLEASURE.

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THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

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REBECCA: THANKS FOR
BEING HERE.

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AND THANKS FOR WATCHING
<i>THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.</i>

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