WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.433 REBECCA LAMB WEISS: FOR THIS EPISODE TODAY, 00:00:00.967 --> 00:00:02.667 JONATHAN AND I SIT DOWN WITH AVNER BOSKEY. 00:00:02.767 --> 00:00:04.733 HE IS AN EXPERT IN THE MIDDLE EAST 00:00:04.833 --> 00:00:06.866 NOT ONLY FROM A GEOPOLITICAL PERSPECTIVE 00:00:06.966 --> 00:00:08.966 BUT ALSO A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL. 00:00:09.066 --> 00:00:11.400 AND WE SIT DOWN TO TALK ABOUT THE RECENT ATTACK 00:00:11.500 --> 00:00:14.933 FROM IRAN TO ISRAEL AND ALL THE EVENTS SURROUNDING THAT. 00:00:15.033 --> 00:00:17.066 YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO STAY TUNED TO GET BIBLICAL 00:00:17.166 --> 00:00:19.266 AND POLITICAL INSIGHT. 00:00:29.499 --> 00:00:30.066 REBECCA LAMB WEISS: ALL RIGHT. 00:00:30.166 --> 00:00:30.866 YOU CAN START THIS OFF. 00:00:30.966 --> 00:00:31.733 JONATHAN WEISS: LISTEN, MAN. 00:00:31.833 --> 00:00:32.833 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. 00:00:32.933 --> 00:00:35.366 THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO PULL THIS TOGETHER 00:00:35.466 --> 00:00:39.366 ON SO SHORT NOTICE IS BECAUSE I FOLLOW YOUR NEWSLETTERS, 00:00:39.466 --> 00:00:40.166 WHICH COME OUT -- 00:00:40.266 --> 00:00:41.167 REBECCA: SO DO I. 00:00:41.267 --> 00:00:42.933 JONATHAN: YEAH, REBECCA FOLLOWS THEM TOO. 00:00:43.033 --> 00:00:44.033 REBECCA: I READ THEM. 00:00:44.133 --> 00:00:45.066 JONATHAN: YEAH, I'M EITHER READING THEM TO YOU 00:00:45.166 --> 00:00:46.067 OR YOU'RE READING THEM TO ME. 00:00:46.167 --> 00:00:47.533 BECAUSE THEY ARE LONG AND THEY'RE HEFTY. 00:00:47.633 --> 00:00:49.033 THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE IN THEM. 00:00:49.133 --> 00:00:52.266 AND SO WHEN WE'RE READING, LISTEN, 00:00:52.366 --> 00:00:57.100 THERE'S NOBODY THAT I KNOW OF THAT CAN TALK ABOUT 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.799 WHAT IS GOING ON IN ISRAEL AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST 00:01:00.899 --> 00:01:05.033 FROM A BIBLICAL AND PROPHETIC PERSPECTIVE LIKE YOU CAN. 00:01:05.133 --> 00:01:07.866 AND SO WHEN THIS ATTACK HAPPENED FROM IRAN TO ISRAEL, 00:01:07.966 --> 00:01:10.199 I WAS LIKE, WE HAVE TO TALK TO AVNER, 00:01:10.299 --> 00:01:11.833 WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, 00:01:11.933 --> 00:01:13.699 AND WE HAVE TO GET OUR AUDIENCE TO PRAY 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:15.833 AND TO PRAY WITH INTELLIGENCE. 00:01:15.933 --> 00:01:20.166 SO JUST TO START FROM GROUND ZERO, 00:01:20.266 --> 00:01:23.766 FROM THE BASICS, WHY -- WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT INTO THIS 00:01:23.866 --> 00:01:31.600 JUST TO MAXIMIZE OUR TIME -- WHY DID IRAN ATTACK ISRAEL? 00:01:31.700 --> 00:01:35.466 AVNER BOSKEY: WELL, THEY SAY -- I REMEMBER 00:01:35.566 --> 00:01:37.633 HEARING ONCE WHEN I WAS STUDYING IN SEMINARY, 00:01:37.733 --> 00:01:43.000 A TEXT WITHOUT A CONTEXT IS A PRETEXT. 00:01:43.100 --> 00:01:45.767 AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE CONTEXT 00:01:45.867 --> 00:01:47.033 IN THE MIDDLE EAST. 00:01:47.133 --> 00:01:50.466 AND SO THEY MIGHT KNOW THAT THE BOOK OF ESTHER 00:01:50.566 --> 00:01:54.699 HAPPENED IN THE PERSIAN TIMES AND THERE WAS HAMAN 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:56.400 AND MORDECAI AND AHASUERUS. 00:01:56.500 --> 00:01:59.833 BUT WHEN YOU START MOVING INTO THE MODERN DAYS WITH PERSIA, 00:01:59.933 --> 00:02:03.533 YOU HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING HAPPENING 00:02:03.633 --> 00:02:09.300 IN 1978, '79, THERE WAS A REVOLUTION IN PERSIA. 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:12.467 AND THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK OVER ARE RADICAL JIHADI PEOPLE, 00:02:12.567 --> 00:02:13.633 BUT NOT SUNNIS. 00:02:13.733 --> 00:02:16.866 SUNNIS IS 80% OF ALL MUSLIMS. 00:02:16.966 --> 00:02:19.699 THIS WOULD BE SHIITES. 00:02:19.799 --> 00:02:23.699 AND THEY BASICALLY, IF YOU REMEMBER THE AMERICAN CONSULAR, 00:02:23.799 --> 00:02:25.133 THE EMBASSY BEING TAKEN OVER 00:02:25.233 --> 00:02:30.800 AND THERE WERE 52 HOSTAGES AT THAT TIME. 00:02:30.900 --> 00:02:36.766 SO SINCE THAT TIME, IRAN USED TO BE A REAL ALLY OF ISRAEL, 00:02:36.866 --> 00:02:38.300 BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:42.399 AND IT TURNED, AND IT TURNED FROM BEING AN ALLY OF AMERICA. 00:02:42.499 --> 00:02:45.533 AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE THE IRAN-CONTRA, 00:02:45.633 --> 00:02:48.800 IRAN GATE, AND OTHER THINGS WHICH HAVE HAPPENED. 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:54.266 BUT IRAN IS BEING LED BY SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SO GOOD, 00:02:54.366 --> 00:02:58.433 AND THEY WANT TO SEE AN ISLAMIC SHIITE DICTATORSHIP 00:02:58.533 --> 00:03:02.533 CALLED A CALIPHATE SET UP ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST. 00:03:02.633 --> 00:03:05.200 THEY CALL IT THE SHIITE CRESCENT. 00:03:05.300 --> 00:03:10.033 SO IT WOULD GO FROM IRAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH SYRIA, LEBANON. 00:03:10.133 --> 00:03:13.333 AND THEY WANT TO SECRETLY BE IN CHARGE 00:03:13.433 --> 00:03:18.733 AND BASICALLY TAKE OUT SAUDI ARABIA, WHICH WOULD HELP THEM TO 00:03:18.833 --> 00:03:22.699 CONTROL ALL THE OIL IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AS WELL. 00:03:22.799 --> 00:03:25.299 BUT NOT JUST MONEY, IT'S REALLY, 00:03:25.399 --> 00:03:28.566 THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE 00:03:28.666 --> 00:03:33.233 ANOINTED BY ALLAH TO BE IN CHARGE OF ISLAM. 00:03:33.333 --> 00:03:38.033 AND BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE MUCH OF THE SOURCES 00:03:38.133 --> 00:03:41.733 IN THE ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES AND HOLY BOOKS 00:03:41.833 --> 00:03:45.200 ARE NOT THAT FRIENDLY TOWARD THE JEWISH PEOPLE, 00:03:45.300 --> 00:03:50.433 THEY REPRESENT THAT ATTITUDE AND BELIEVE THAT 00:03:50.533 --> 00:03:52.666 ISRAEL SHOULD BE DESTROYED. 00:03:52.766 --> 00:03:56.566 JONATHAN: WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE IRANIAN REGIME? 00:03:56.666 --> 00:03:59.100 BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A CHURCH OF IRAN, AS WELL. 00:03:59.200 --> 00:04:02.666 THERE'S A BELIEVING BODY IN IRAN THAT IS HUNGRY FOR THE LORD 00:04:02.766 --> 00:04:05.467 THAT ACTUALLY WATCHES CHRISTIAN TELEVISION 00:04:05.567 --> 00:04:09.366 OVER BROADCAST OVER THE AIR. 00:04:09.466 --> 00:04:14.066 SO THOSE PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL 00:04:14.166 --> 00:04:17.733 OR TURNING THE CALIPHATE INTO THE MIDDLE EAST. 00:04:17.833 --> 00:04:20.099 BUT THE SIZE OF THE REGIME, 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.200 HOW BIG IS THE REGIME THAT THE AYATOLLAH IS LEADING? 00:04:23.300 --> 00:04:25.033 WHAT DOES THAT FOOTPRINT LOOK LIKE IN IRAN? 00:04:25.133 --> 00:04:26.367 REBECCA: AND WHAT IS THE AYATOLLAH, 00:04:26.467 --> 00:04:27.333 FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT? 00:04:27.433 --> 00:04:28.366 JONATHAN: OH, YEAH. 00:04:28.466 --> 00:04:29.433 AND WHO'S THE AYATOLLAH? 00:04:29.533 --> 00:04:31.366 REBECCA: WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT FOR PEOPLE 00:04:31.466 --> 00:04:33.899 WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST. 00:04:33.999 --> 00:04:35.066 AVNER: OKAY. 00:04:35.166 --> 00:04:39.466 SO BASICALLY, YOU HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS SOMETHING LIKE 00:04:39.566 --> 00:04:42.567 89 MILLION PEOPLE IN IRAN. 00:04:42.667 --> 00:04:48.066 AND THE REGIME WHICH IS IN CHARGE IS A DICTATORSHIP. 00:04:48.166 --> 00:04:51.133 SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT COMMUNISM BEING A DEMOCRACY 00:04:51.233 --> 00:04:54.333 THAT YOU HAVE ONE VOTE, ONE MAN, 00:04:54.433 --> 00:04:57.000 ONE VOTE, AND ONE TIME. 00:04:57.100 --> 00:05:01.066 WHAT YOU HAVE IN IRAN IS, AGAIN, NOT A DEMOCRACY. 00:05:01.166 --> 00:05:04.333 YOU HAVE A DICTATORSHIP AND YOU HAVE WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER 00:05:04.433 --> 00:05:06.333 THE RIGHTLY GUIDED RULERS. 00:05:06.433 --> 00:05:09.700 AND SO AYATOLLAH WOULD BE THE TOP PERSON. 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:12.166 THERE ARE VARIOUS AYATOLLAHS WITHIN IRAN, 00:05:12.266 --> 00:05:14.500 BUT THE TOP ONE IS KHAMENEI. 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.766 SOME PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER KHOMEINI, 00:05:16.866 --> 00:05:19.933 WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE IN THE REVOLUTION. 00:05:20.033 --> 00:05:24.299 AND THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY INTENSE IN THE WAY 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:25.533 THAT THEY SEE IT. 00:05:25.633 --> 00:05:29.366 IF WOMEN GO OUTSIDE WITH AN UNVEILED FACE, 00:05:29.466 --> 00:05:33.767 THEY CAN BE WHIPPED, JAILED, TORTURED, AND KILLED. 00:05:33.867 --> 00:05:37.133 CERTAINLY LBT... 00:05:37.233 --> 00:05:40.166 JONATHAN: LBGTQ. 00:05:40.266 --> 00:05:42.666 AVNER: LBGT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NAME IS, 00:05:42.766 --> 00:05:46.000 BUT THEY ARE ALSO TORTURED AND KILLED. 00:05:46.100 --> 00:05:49.433 JEWS AND BAH ' "S ARE TORTURED AND KILLED. 00:05:49.533 --> 00:05:52.900 IT'S A HARD COUNTRY NOW. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.100 THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF MESSIAH IN IRAN 00:05:55.200 --> 00:05:58.200 IS THE FASTEST-GROWING ONE NEARLY IN THE WORLD. 00:05:58.300 --> 00:06:00.933 AND THAT'S AN AMAZING THING, AS WELL. 00:06:01.033 --> 00:06:03.900 REBECCA: DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.066 ARE BELIEVERS BY NUMBER? 00:06:07.166 --> 00:06:08.033 AVNER: NO. 00:06:08.133 --> 00:06:09.133 REBECCA: I GUESS THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW. 00:06:09.233 --> 00:06:11.333 AVNER: ELIJAH THE PROPHET WAS WRONG WHEN GOD SAID, 00:06:11.433 --> 00:06:12.500 HOW MANY ARE THERE, AND HE SAID, 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.033 THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONLY ME. 00:06:14.133 --> 00:06:15.967 [ LAUGHING ] 00:06:16.067 --> 00:06:17.367 AVNER: IT WAS ACTUALLY 7,000. 00:06:17.467 --> 00:06:20.133 SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO WAGER A GUESS, 00:06:20.233 --> 00:06:22.466 BUT I'M THANKFUL FOR THOSE. 00:06:22.566 --> 00:06:26.633 AND AGAIN, IRANIANS AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY WARM 00:06:26.733 --> 00:06:28.866 TO ISRAEL OVER THE YEARS. 00:06:28.966 --> 00:06:33.866 IT'S ONLY BEEN SINCE THE SHIITE REVOLUTION IN '78, 00:06:33.966 --> 00:06:36.167 '79 THAT THINGS CHANGED. 00:06:36.267 --> 00:06:39.733 AND IF IT CHANGES AGAIN, WE WOULD BE HAPPY. 00:06:39.833 --> 00:06:41.966 REBECCA: SO THE MAJORITY OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE 00:06:42.066 --> 00:06:46.166 DON'T LINE UP WITH THE BELIEFS OF THE REGIME 00:06:46.266 --> 00:06:49.333 THAT'S IN CONTROL RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD SAY. 00:06:49.433 --> 00:06:53.233 AVNER: IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN GAZA. 00:06:53.333 --> 00:06:56.967 THE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN TO KIDNAP, TORTURE, BURN, 00:06:57.067 --> 00:07:04.433 RAPE, AND MURDER THE ISRAELIS IN THE KIBBUTZIM, 00:07:04.533 --> 00:07:09.699 2,000 OF THEM WERE NAKBA, THEY WERE PEOPLE WORKING WITH HAMAS. 00:07:09.799 --> 00:07:11.800 BUT ANOTHER THOUSAND OF THEM WERE JUST PEOPLE 00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:14.333 WHO WANTED TO JOIN IN. 00:07:14.433 --> 00:07:17.700 AND SO YOU HAVE A SITUATION IN IRAN WHERE, 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.500 YES, YOU HAVE THOSE PEOPLE, 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:22.533 BUT THEN YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO JOIN IN. 00:07:22.633 --> 00:07:24.067 THE SAME THING WAS TRUE IN RUSSIA. 00:07:24.167 --> 00:07:27.700 WHEN WE LIVED IN RUSSIA AND WERE MINISTERING IN RUSSIA, 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:29.933 THEY HAD WHAT'S CALLED A CLUTCHNICK. 00:07:30.033 --> 00:07:32.633 A CLUTCHNICK MEANS THE WOMAN WHO OWNS THE KEY. 00:07:32.733 --> 00:07:35.000 SO ON EVERY APARTMENT FLOOR, 00:07:35.100 --> 00:07:38.666 THERE WAS ONE WOMAN WHO HELD THE KEYS TO ALL THE ROOMS. 00:07:38.766 --> 00:07:42.200 AND IN EAST GERMANY, ONE OUT OF EVERY FOUR CITIZENS 00:07:42.300 --> 00:07:46.233 OF EAST GERMANY WAS A SPY SPYING ON THE OTHER GERMANS. 00:07:46.333 --> 00:07:49.433 SO THIS TYPE OF DICTATORIAL WAY, 00:07:49.533 --> 00:07:52.667 IT'S REAL, AND IT'S NOT ONLY IN IRAN. 00:07:52.767 --> 00:07:54.866 BUT IT IS DEFINITELY THERE. 00:07:54.966 --> 00:07:56.066 REBECCA: AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, 00:07:56.166 --> 00:07:58.166 THEN I'LL LET YOU TAKE BACK OVER. 00:07:58.266 --> 00:08:00.633 SO THEY ARE TRYING TO SET UP A CALIPHATE, 00:08:00.733 --> 00:08:04.066 WHICH WOULD BE THIS ESTABLISHED RULE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. 00:08:04.166 --> 00:08:06.599 I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT ISLAM, 00:08:06.699 --> 00:08:09.933 BUT IS THERE SOME KIND OF BELIEF THAT'S FUELING THIS 00:08:10.033 --> 00:08:12.733 LIKE AN END TIME BELIEF? 00:08:12.833 --> 00:08:15.467 BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR OWN END TIME THEOLOGY. 00:08:15.567 --> 00:08:17.100 DO THEY BELIEVE IF THEY SET THIS UP, 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:19.099 THIS WILL SET UP FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO HAPPEN? 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.633 IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY'RE PUSHING FOR IT? 00:08:21.733 --> 00:08:23.367 AVNER: THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE. 00:08:23.467 --> 00:08:26.533 AND TO ANSWER THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO USE A CHRISTIAN PARALLEL, 00:08:26.633 --> 00:08:27.766 IF I CAN. 00:08:27.866 --> 00:08:32.599 THERE ARE UNITARIANS, AND UNITARIANS CALL THEMSELVES OFTEN 00:08:32.699 --> 00:08:34.633 CHRISTIANS. 00:08:34.733 --> 00:08:37.800 THERE ARE LIBERAL CHRISTIANS WHO DON'T BELIEVE 00:08:37.900 --> 00:08:43.100 IN THE VIRGIN BIRTH AND THE RETURN OF JESUS. 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.633 AND THEY WOULD CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS. 00:08:45.733 --> 00:08:48.600 SO THERE ARE MANY MUSLIMS WHO DON'T BELIEVE 00:08:48.700 --> 00:08:52.466 EVERYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE QURAN AND THE HADITH, 00:08:52.566 --> 00:08:54.433 AND THEY ARE ORAL LAW. 00:08:54.533 --> 00:08:59.700 BUT THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF ISLAM 00:08:59.800 --> 00:09:04.100 IS JIHAD IS TO STRIVE IN THE PATH OF ALLAH 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.567 AND TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD EITHER THROUGH DAWAH, 00:09:07.667 --> 00:09:11.533 THROUGH BEING OUTREACH, OR THROUGH HARB, 00:09:11.633 --> 00:09:13.967 THROUGH WAR, THROUGH THE POINT OF THE SWORD. 00:09:14.067 --> 00:09:18.900 AND THAT'S STILL CLASSIC ISLAM TAUGHT IN THE SEMINARIES 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:22.900 LIKE AL-ASSIR IN EGYPT AND QOM IN IRAN. 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:24.433 VERY MUCH SO. 00:09:24.533 --> 00:09:26.300 THERE HAS BEEN NO REFORMATION, 00:09:26.400 --> 00:09:28.533 THERE HAS BEEN NO ENLIGHTENMENT, 00:09:28.633 --> 00:09:30.899 AND THEY VERY MUCH BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE THE WORLD 00:09:30.999 --> 00:09:32.833 OVER. 00:09:32.933 --> 00:09:35.000 NOW, WHEN THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE WEST, 00:09:35.100 --> 00:09:39.133 THEY DON'T ALWAYS SAY THAT. 00:09:39.233 --> 00:09:41.300 SAUDI ARABIA GAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO BIN LADEN 00:09:41.400 --> 00:09:45.166 AS LONG AS HE DIDN'T BOTHER SAUDI ARABIA. 00:09:45.266 --> 00:09:48.299 JONATHAN: SO WHEN IT COMES TO THIS MOST RECENT HEADLINE 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:55.133 THAT BROKE WHERE 300 MISSILES AND DRONES 00:09:55.233 --> 00:10:00.466 WERE FIRED FROM IRAN INTO ISRAEL, TALK ABOUT, 00:10:00.566 --> 00:10:04.366 IT'S THE GREATEST SHOW OF FORCE THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY LIFETIME 00:10:04.466 --> 00:10:07.066 DIRECTLY AGAINST ISRAEL. 00:10:07.166 --> 00:10:13.166 WHAT PROMPTED IRAN TO DO SUCH A THING NOW? 00:10:13.266 --> 00:10:14.867 AVNER: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 00:10:14.967 --> 00:10:15.933 YOU HAVE LIKE FOUR HOURS? 00:10:16.033 --> 00:10:17.199 I CAN EXPLAIN. 00:10:17.299 --> 00:10:18.633 JONATHAN: THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. 00:10:18.733 --> 00:10:20.199 AVNER: [ LAUGHING ] 00:10:20.299 --> 00:10:22.667 SO THE FIRST THINGS, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST SHOW OF FORCE 00:10:22.767 --> 00:10:27.533 TECHNICALLY, IT'S THE GREATEST DRONE/CRUISE MISSLE/ 00:10:27.633 --> 00:10:31.266 BALLISTIC MISSILE ATTACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD 00:10:31.366 --> 00:10:34.766 IN A BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME. 00:10:34.866 --> 00:10:41.167 IT HAPPENED, YEARS AGO BACK AROUND 2020, 00:10:41.267 --> 00:10:44.133 AMERICA TOOK OUT THE TOP, TOP GUY, 00:10:44.233 --> 00:10:47.833 QASEM SOLEIMANI WHO WAS IN THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY 00:10:47.933 --> 00:10:52.499 CORPS GROUP, THE IRANIAN TERROR ARMY, 00:10:52.599 --> 00:10:57.833 TOOK HIM OUT AFTER HE FLEW FROM DAMASCUS TO BAGHDAD. 00:10:57.933 --> 00:11:01.099 IT INVOLVED DRONES AND IT INVOLVED VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. 00:11:01.199 --> 00:11:04.533 HE WAS EVEN HIGHER THAN THE PERSON ISRAEL TOOK OUT. 00:11:04.633 --> 00:11:06.966 ISRAEL DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY'VE TAKEN HIM OUT, 00:11:07.066 --> 00:11:10.167 ISRAEL TENDS TO BE VERY HUMBLE ABOUT THESE THINGS 00:11:10.267 --> 00:11:12.833 AND NOT SAY THAT THEY'VE DONE IT. 00:11:12.933 --> 00:11:14.100 BUT AMERICA SAID THEY DID IT. 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:15.799 SO IN ANY CASE. 00:11:15.899 --> 00:11:18.933 SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS GUY WHO WAS TAKEN OUT, 00:11:19.033 --> 00:11:22.366 HIS NAME WAS GENERAL MOHAMMAD REZA ZAHEDI, 00:11:22.466 --> 00:11:27.100 AND HE WAS IN CHARGE OF CONNECTIONS, SUPPLIES, 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:32.833 STRATEGY, MONEY, AND TERROR PLANNING FROM IRAN TO HEZBOLLAH 00:11:32.933 --> 00:11:36.133 AND TO HAMAS AND TO SYRIA. 00:11:36.233 --> 00:11:40.733 SO HE WAS SECOND IN COMMAND TO QASEM SOLEIMANI. 00:11:40.833 --> 00:11:44.366 AND HE WAS TAKEN OUT IN DAMASCUS IN A BUILDING 00:11:44.466 --> 00:11:47.633 WHICH WAS NOT PART OF THE EMBASSY BUT ACROSS THE STREET 00:11:47.733 --> 00:11:49.666 FROM THE EMBASSY. 00:11:49.766 --> 00:11:53.366 AND HE WAS THE MAN ACTUALLY WHO PLANNED 00:11:53.466 --> 00:11:57.500 THE OCTOBER 7th MASSACRE OF THE KIBBUTZIM IN GAZA. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.433 SO ISRAEL WAS TAKING OUT ONE OF THEIR ARCH ENEMIES. 00:12:01.533 --> 00:12:07.100 AND THIS THEN IRANIAN RESPONSE WAS TO THAT 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.133 ISRAEL TOOK OUT THIS ARCH ENEMY. 00:12:10.233 --> 00:12:12.833 IT'S LIKE WORLD WAR II AND HITLER. 00:12:12.933 --> 00:12:14.667 [ LAUGHING ] 00:12:14.767 --> 00:12:18.600 THIS REMINDS ME OF A JEWISH JOKE OF TWO PEOPLE 00:12:18.700 --> 00:12:20.566 WHO WERE WORKING WITH BRITISH INTELLIGENCE 00:12:20.666 --> 00:12:23.966 WAITING FOR HITLER TO COME AROUND A CORNER IN A CAR 00:12:24.066 --> 00:12:27.199 TO ASSASSINATE HIM IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA. 00:12:27.299 --> 00:12:28.866 AND THEY'RE WAITING AND WAITING, 00:12:28.966 --> 00:12:30.200 AND HE DOESN'T SHOW UP, AND THE FIRST ONE TURNS 00:12:30.300 --> 00:12:34.466 TO THE SECOND ONE AND SAYS, I HOPE NOTHING BAD HAPPENED TO HIM 00:12:34.566 --> 00:12:35.600 YOU KNOW. 00:12:35.700 --> 00:12:37.666 JONATHAN: [ LAUGHING ] 00:12:37.766 --> 00:12:39.433 AVNER: AND SO, YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH WAR, 00:12:39.533 --> 00:12:41.100 YOU'RE DEALING WITH ENEMIES AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.233 PEOPLE WHO KILL A LOT OF PEOPLE. 00:12:43.333 --> 00:12:46.400 THIS MAN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:48.000 OF JEWISH PEOPLE BEING MURDERED. 00:12:48.100 --> 00:12:50.666 AND ISRAEL TOOK HIM OUT. 00:12:50.766 --> 00:12:54.766 AND SO IT'S NOT THAT, SEE, IRAN TOOK OUT THE JEWISH 00:12:54.866 --> 00:12:59.100 COMMUNITY CENTER IN BUENOS AIRES AND THE ISRAELI EMBASSY 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.000 IN BUENOS AIRES AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. 00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:05.666 THEY HAVE NO PROBLEMS ABOUT ATTACKING EMBASSIES. 00:13:05.766 --> 00:13:08.600 BUT THEY KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE IT IN SUCH A WAY 00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:10.700 THAT THE WEST SAYS, OH, 00:13:10.800 --> 00:13:13.333 MAYBE THIS IS REALLY A BAD THING. 00:13:13.433 --> 00:13:17.199 BUT AMERICA DID THE VERY SAME THING GOING BACK TO 2020. 00:13:17.299 --> 00:13:19.066 AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. 00:13:19.166 --> 00:13:21.566 SO THEIR ATTACK WAS BASICALLY, 00:13:21.666 --> 00:13:24.233 AND WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT IT, GUYS, 00:13:24.333 --> 00:13:31.033 IS THAT IRAN DOESN'T USUALLY ATTACK STRAIGHT ON. 00:13:31.133 --> 00:13:31.866 JONATHAN: MM-HM. 00:13:31.966 --> 00:13:33.267 AVNER: IT'S LIKE GUERILLA WARFARE. 00:13:33.367 --> 00:13:34.699 YOU DON'T GO STRAIGHT ON. 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:36.233 YOU COME AROUND THE BACK SIDE. 00:13:36.333 --> 00:13:38.100 SO THESE PROXIES. 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.266 SO WHO DO THEY USE TO ATTACK? 00:13:40.366 --> 00:13:43.233 THEY ATTACK THE WEST OR ISRAEL USING SYRIA, 00:13:43.333 --> 00:13:46.633 USING HAMAS, USING HEZBOLLAH AND LEBANON, 00:13:46.733 --> 00:13:48.467 USING QATAR, HEZBOLLAH, AND IRAQ, 00:13:48.567 --> 00:13:50.933 USING THE HOUTHIS IN YEMEN. 00:13:51.033 --> 00:13:53.566 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IRAN IS DOING IS 00:13:53.666 --> 00:13:56.600 IT'S TRYING TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS IN THE WORLD 00:13:56.700 --> 00:14:00.466 BY USING THE HOUTHIS TO STOP FREE SHIPPING IN THE WORLD 00:14:00.566 --> 00:14:05.399 AS A WAY OF SHOWING THEIR POWER IN THAT AREA THERE 00:14:05.499 --> 00:14:07.300 AND CAUSING COUNTRIES LIKE 00:14:07.400 --> 00:14:11.900 BAHRAIN AND QATAR AND SAUDI ARABIA TO BOW THE KNEE TO IRAN. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:15.533 ALL THOSE COUNTRIES ARE SUNNI, 80% OF ISLAM. 00:14:15.633 --> 00:14:17.933 SHIITE IS IRAN. 00:14:18.033 --> 00:14:22.399 SO THEY'RE REAL WORLD-CLASS DICTATORS. 00:14:22.499 --> 00:14:26.133 THEY'RE LIKE STALIN, THEY'RE LIKE HITLER IN THEIR GOALS. 00:14:26.233 --> 00:14:30.433 JONATHAN: SO WHEN THIS ATTACK WAS LAUNCHED BY IRAN, 00:14:30.533 --> 00:14:34.400 FROM WHAT I READ IN YOUR NEWSLETTER, 00:14:34.500 --> 00:14:38.467 NOT ONLY DID ISRAEL THWART THE MISSILES AND DRONES, 00:14:38.567 --> 00:14:41.666 BUT IT ALSO, I BELIEVE, JORDAN HELPED. 00:14:41.766 --> 00:14:43.900 APPARENTLY THE U.S. HELPED. 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.867 WAS THERE ANYBDOY ELSE THAT HELPED IN STOPPING 00:14:47.967 --> 00:14:51.366 THESE MISSILES AND DRONES FROM LANDING AND CAUSING DESTRUCTION 00:14:51.466 --> 00:14:53.100 IN ISRAEL? 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:55.266 AVNER: WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE WHICH ARE INTERESTING. 00:14:55.366 --> 00:14:57.199 ON ONE HAND, IT'S LIKE MUSICAL CHAIRS. 00:14:57.299 --> 00:15:00.799 HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED WHO HAVE TO SIT DOWN 00:15:00.899 --> 00:15:02.833 BEFORE WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS? 00:15:02.933 --> 00:15:05.666 BUT THE OTHER THING IS, AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS, 00:15:05.766 --> 00:15:08.633 BUT IT'S ALL OPEN SOURCE STUFF, 00:15:08.733 --> 00:15:15.933 IS BACK IN 2020, IRAN DECIDED TO TAKE VENGEANCE ON AMERICA 00:15:16.033 --> 00:15:19.233 FOR TAKING OUT QASEM SOLEIMANI. 00:15:19.333 --> 00:15:24.433 BUT THEY NEGOTIATED WITH AMERICA AS TO WHERE THEY WOULD HIT, 00:15:24.533 --> 00:15:26.033 AND THEY WOULD HIT IN SUCH A WAY THAT 00:15:26.133 --> 00:15:29.300 NEARLY NO AMERICAN BLOOD WOULD BE SPILLED. 00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:31.600 AND THEY DID THIS IN 2020. 00:15:31.700 --> 00:15:33.933 AND YOU CAN SEE THIS ANYWHERE IN THE NEWSLETTER. 00:15:34.033 --> 00:15:35.166 YOU CAN SEE IT IN MY NEWSLETTER, 00:15:35.266 --> 00:15:37.700 YOU CAN SEE IT ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET. 00:15:37.800 --> 00:15:39.167 WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS ONE IS, 00:15:39.267 --> 00:15:45.500 AMERICA AND IRAN GOT TOGETHER WITHOUT ISRAEL'S INVOLVEMENT 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:49.166 AND DECIDED EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF ATTACK 00:15:49.266 --> 00:15:51.899 IRAN WOULD MAKE ON ISRAEL. 00:15:51.999 --> 00:15:53.600 JONATHAN: HOLD ON. 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:54.700 LET ME GET THIS RIGHT. 00:15:54.800 --> 00:15:58.200 ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE UNITED STATES AND IRAN 00:15:58.300 --> 00:16:03.133 BACK CHANNELED AN AGREEMENT TO ATTACK ISRAEL? 00:16:03.233 --> 00:16:05.567 AVNER: NO, AMERICA DIDN'T ATTACK, IRAN ATTACKED. 00:16:05.667 --> 00:16:06.667 JONATHAN: OKAY. 00:16:06.767 --> 00:16:09.100 IRAN ATTACKED, BUT AMERICA SIGNED OFF ON 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:12.233 AND COLLABORATED ON THE CONCEPTS? 00:16:12.333 --> 00:16:12.933 MY GOODNESS. 00:16:13.033 --> 00:16:13.799 AVNER: YES. 00:16:13.899 --> 00:16:14.866 AND THIS IS TOTALLY OPEN SOURCE. 00:16:14.966 --> 00:16:17.200 THIS IS NOT SECRET, THIS IS NOT CONSPIRACY. 00:16:17.300 --> 00:16:21.166 AND AGAIN, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEWSLETTER THAT I DID, 00:16:21.266 --> 00:16:24.266 I THINK IT'S THE SECOND NEWSLETTER, PART TWO. 00:16:24.366 --> 00:16:28.133 THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN 2020 WHERE AMERICA, 00:16:28.233 --> 00:16:32.466 I WAS AT A BASE CALLED AL-ASAD THAT WAS ATTACKED BY IRAN, 00:16:32.566 --> 00:16:34.833 AND THAT'S WHEN A BUNCH OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS 00:16:34.933 --> 00:16:35.999 GOT CONCUSSIONS. 00:16:36.099 --> 00:16:38.300 SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT. 00:16:38.400 --> 00:16:40.366 BUT NO ONE WAS KILLED. 00:16:40.466 --> 00:16:42.566 AND SO AMERICA AND IRAN HAD DEVELOPED 00:16:42.666 --> 00:16:44.667 A WAY OF COMMUNICATING. 00:16:44.767 --> 00:16:45.966 THIS IS NOT STRANGE. 00:16:46.066 --> 00:16:48.967 IF YOU GO TO IRAN GATE AND THE IRAN-CONTRA, 00:16:49.067 --> 00:16:50.933 ENTER THAT IN YOUR COMPUTER, 00:16:51.033 --> 00:16:53.667 AND YOU'LL GET NAMES LIKE BRENT SCOWCROFT 00:16:53.767 --> 00:16:58.766 AND VARIOUS OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED. 00:16:58.866 --> 00:17:02.166 POLITICS IS A DIRTY BUSINESS. 00:17:02.266 --> 00:17:05.299 JONATHAN: WHAT DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO GAIN 00:17:05.399 --> 00:17:06.633 BY DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, 00:17:06.733 --> 00:17:09.566 COLLABORATING, APPROVING, GIVING THE STAMP 00:17:09.666 --> 00:17:11.099 TO GIVE IRAN THE GO-AHEAD. 00:17:11.199 --> 00:17:13.000 WHAT DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO GAIN? 00:17:13.100 --> 00:17:16.300 I KNOW AS A BELIEVER WHAT WE HAVE TO LOSE AS FAR AS 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.933 THE WRATH AND THE JUDGMENT OF THE LORD STANDING 00:17:19.033 --> 00:17:20.866 AND GOING AGAINST ISRAEL, BUT WHAT IS THE U.S., 00:17:20.966 --> 00:17:24.499 FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO GAIN? 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:29.133 AVNER: JOHN LE CARR !, WHO WROTE SPY BOOKS, TALKED ABOUT THAT. 00:17:29.233 --> 00:17:30.533 HE SAID, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SPIES, 00:17:30.633 --> 00:17:32.133 WHAT DO THEY DO? 00:17:32.233 --> 00:17:37.933 THEY TEACH PEOPLE TO BETRAY THEIR OWN COUNTRY 00:17:38.033 --> 00:17:42.267 BY LYING IN ORDER TO BENEFIT THEIR OWN COUNTRY. 00:17:42.367 --> 00:17:43.799 SO THAT'S WHAT THE CIA DOES, 00:17:43.899 --> 00:17:45.100 THAT'S WHAT THE MOSSAD DOES, 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.466 THAT'S WHAT THE THE KGB DOES, THAT'S WHAT THE MI6, MI5 DO. 00:17:49.566 --> 00:17:51.066 THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO. 00:17:51.166 --> 00:17:53.633 SO POLITICS IS A DIRTY BUSINESS. 00:17:53.733 --> 00:17:56.700 AND IF YOU LOOK AT ISAIAH 7, 00:17:56.800 --> 00:17:59.333 THE MESSIANIC PROPHECY ABOUT JESUS, 00:17:59.433 --> 00:18:02.600 AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE SON WILL BE BORN. 00:18:02.700 --> 00:18:05.400 THE CONTEXT OF THAT SON BEING BORN HAS TO DO WITH 00:18:05.500 --> 00:18:10.600 SOME VERY DIRTY POLITICS GOING ON BETWEEN ASSYRIA, ISRAEL, 00:18:10.700 --> 00:18:12.400 AND JUDAH. 00:18:12.500 --> 00:18:15.033 AND SO THESE THINGS ARE PART OF HUMAN HISTORY. 00:18:15.133 --> 00:18:18.033 SOMETIMES AS BELIEVERS, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE 00:18:18.133 --> 00:18:21.266 IN A HIGH ETHICAL STANDARD, WE DON'T REALIZE THAT 00:18:21.366 --> 00:18:23.866 MOST OF OUR COUNTRIES ARE GOVERNED BY PEOPLE 00:18:23.966 --> 00:18:27.500 WHO DON'T HAVE THAT STANDARD AND THEY SAY IN ORDER TO 00:18:27.600 --> 00:18:30.599 CATCH A RAT, YOU'VE GOT TO BECOME A RAT. 00:18:30.699 --> 00:18:33.367 AND THIS IS OFTEN HOW INTELLIGENCE WORKS 00:18:33.467 --> 00:18:37.600 AND DIPLOMACY WORKS. 00:18:37.700 --> 00:18:39.133 THIS IS NOT NEW. 00:18:39.233 --> 00:18:43.200 AND I SPEND MY LIFE READING BOOKS ON THESE THINGS, 00:18:43.300 --> 00:18:44.600 SO I KNOW ABOUT THESE THINGS. 00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:47.666 BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. 00:18:47.766 --> 00:18:53.033 BUT, YEAH, AMERICA HAS DONE SOME THINGS IN ITS HISTORY 00:18:53.133 --> 00:18:56.700 WHICH AREN'T SO GOOD AND RUSSIA HAS DONE EVEN WORSE 00:18:56.800 --> 00:18:59.666 AND HITLER HAS DONE EVEN WORSE. 00:18:59.766 --> 00:19:04.033 AND RIGHT NOW, MANY STUDENTS ARE RAMPAGING ON AMERICAN CAMPUSES 00:19:04.133 --> 00:19:05.400 WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 00:19:05.467 --> 00:19:07.300 BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.867 JONATHAN: SO AMERICA GREENLIGHTS THIS ATTACK -- 00:19:09.967 --> 00:19:11.233 REBECCA: WAIT, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION -- 00:19:11.333 --> 00:19:12.066 JONATHAN: YES. 00:19:12.166 --> 00:19:13.400 REBECCA: -- IN RESPONSE TO THAT? 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:16.566 WHAT IS THE NARRATIVE THAT THE STUDENTS AND THE UNIVERSITIES 00:19:16.666 --> 00:19:18.167 ARE BEING GIVEN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON 00:19:18.267 --> 00:19:20.567 IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT IS THE REALITY? 00:19:20.667 --> 00:19:24.100 JONATHAN: TIKTOK 8-SECOND VIDEOS. 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:25.133 TALK ABOUT A FOUR-HOUR... 00:19:25.233 --> 00:19:26.833 REBECCA: I KNOW, I'M SORRY. 00:19:26.933 --> 00:19:30.000 AVNER: BASICALLY, THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT ISRAEL'S BAD 00:19:30.100 --> 00:19:33.900 WHEREAS THE BLACK HAT IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE, 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.100 IS CAPITALIST, PRO-AMERICAN. 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:37.766 AMERICA IS BAD. 00:19:37.866 --> 00:19:39.800 ORANGE MAN IS BAD. 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:42.133 JEWISH STAR IS BAD. 00:19:42.233 --> 00:19:44.000 AND THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES. 00:19:44.100 --> 00:19:47.600 AND THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH, UNFORTUNATELY. 00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:50.066 BACK WHEN I WAS A HIPPIE AND A REVOLUTIONARY, 00:19:50.166 --> 00:19:51.733 WE KNEW SOMETHING. 00:19:51.833 --> 00:19:53.700 THESE DAYS, PEOPLE KNOW FAR LESS. 00:19:53.800 --> 00:19:55.766 JONATHAN: SO BASICALLY, I JUST WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT, 00:19:55.866 --> 00:19:56.866 THEY DON'T KNOW SO MUCH, 00:19:56.966 --> 00:19:59.667 BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IS, THEY'RE BEING STIRRED 00:19:59.767 --> 00:20:02.900 EMOTIONALLY TO STAND ON THESE THINGS THAT THEY THINK 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.999 THAT THEY'RE STANDING FOR "JUSTICE", 00:20:06.099 --> 00:20:08.799 BUT THEY'RE JUST UNEDUCATED AND THEY'RE CONFUSED, 00:20:08.899 --> 00:20:10.866 AND THAT'S WHY WHEN -- THAT WAS THE SAME THING THAT I SAW 00:20:10.966 --> 00:20:13.566 WHEN I SAW THOSE VIDEOS PLAYING OF THESE STUDENTS, 00:20:13.666 --> 00:20:15.933 I WAS JUST -- I ALMOST FELT EMPATHY 00:20:16.033 --> 00:20:17.133 BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, 00:20:17.233 --> 00:20:19.333 THEY JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY'RE CHEERING FOR. 00:20:19.433 --> 00:20:22.133 THEY'RE REALLY CHEERING FOR THE WRONG GROUP. 00:20:22.233 --> 00:20:23.299 AND SO -- 00:20:23.399 --> 00:20:24.766 REBECCA: THEY THINK THEY'RE STANDING UP FOR JUSTICE, 00:20:24.866 --> 00:20:26.366 BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY 00:20:26.466 --> 00:20:30.799 AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IDEOLOGY OF WHAT'S GOING ON 00:20:30.899 --> 00:20:33.866 IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT'S FUELING THESE ATTACKS. 00:20:33.966 --> 00:20:36.033 AND SO THEY HAVE A VERY SIMPLIFIED VERSION, 00:20:36.133 --> 00:20:37.466 BUT IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLEX, 00:20:37.566 --> 00:20:38.833 WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PODCAST, 00:20:38.933 --> 00:20:42.733 TO HELP GIVE TO THE PEOPLE AN UNDERSTANDING 00:20:42.833 --> 00:20:44.500 OF WHAT IS GOING ON. 00:20:44.600 --> 00:20:45.833 BECAUSE EVEN US AS AMERICANS, 00:20:45.933 --> 00:20:48.800 OUR VIEWPOINT AND OUR IDEOLOGY IS SO DIFFERENT. 00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:51.900 SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE MINDSET SO THAT 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.000 WE COULD HAVE BETTER CONTEXT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON. 00:20:56.100 --> 00:20:58.399 AVNER: I WOULD ALSO ADD TO THAT ANOTHER POINT, 00:20:58.499 --> 00:21:01.300 WHICH IS THAT IN THESE SPECIFIC DEMONSTRATIONS, 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.233 ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT THE FOCUS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE 00:21:04.333 --> 00:21:06.666 TALKING ABOUT TODAY, IS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY 00:21:06.766 --> 00:21:10.700 CALLING FOR KILLING JEWS, DESTROYING THE STATE OF ISRAEL, 00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:12.133 BURNING AND GASSING JEWS, 00:21:12.233 --> 00:21:14.933 AND DOING OCTOBER 7th AGAIN AND AGAIN. 00:21:15.033 --> 00:21:19.033 THAT HAS UNETHICAL RATIFICATIONS. 00:21:19.133 --> 00:21:21.267 YOU'RE CALLING FOR MASS MURDER AND GENOCIDE. 00:21:21.367 --> 00:21:27.066 IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF BEING... 00:21:27.166 --> 00:21:30.266 NOT UP ON WORLD EVENTS. 00:21:30.366 --> 00:21:33.099 REBECCA: THERE'S A DEEPER COMPONENT AT PLAY, AS WELL. 00:21:33.199 --> 00:21:35.933 SPIRITUALLY. 00:21:36.033 --> 00:21:39.333 JONATHAN: SO THE U.S. GREENLIGHTS THIS ATTACK. 00:21:39.433 --> 00:21:42.233 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I READ IN YOUR NEWSLETTER IS -- 00:21:42.333 --> 00:21:43.566 REBECCA: THIS IS THE DRONE ATTACK? 00:21:43.666 --> 00:21:46.933 JONATHAN: YEAH, IT'S DRONE AND MISSILES THAT CAME FROM IRAN. 00:21:47.033 --> 00:21:49.967 WHAT WAS THE DATE, AVNER, OF THIS ATTACK? 00:21:50.067 --> 00:21:51.167 I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. 00:21:51.267 --> 00:21:56.399 AVNER: WELL, YOU HAVE THE SATURDAY NIGHT POST-SABBATH, 00:21:56.499 --> 00:22:00.499 APRIL 13th AND 14th STARTING AROUND 11:30 AT NIGHT 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.700 AND GOING TO ABOUT 2:30 IN THE MORNING. 00:22:02.800 --> 00:22:03.833 JONATHAN: RIGHT. 00:22:03.933 --> 00:22:05.067 AVNER: THERE WERE A COMBINATION OF THREE THINGS. 00:22:05.167 --> 00:22:07.433 THERE WERE CRUISE MISSILES SHOT FROM YEMEN. 00:22:07.533 --> 00:22:09.433 30-36 OF THEM. 00:22:09.533 --> 00:22:14.133 THEY WERE APPROXIMATELY 130 BALLISTIC MISSILES, 00:22:14.233 --> 00:22:19.533 WHICH ARE A REAL BEAST IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO STOP THEM. 00:22:19.633 --> 00:22:24.367 BECAUSE ALL TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD IS NOT UP ON 00:22:24.467 --> 00:22:28.433 BEING ABLE TO STOP BALLISTIC MISSILES WELL. 00:22:28.533 --> 00:22:29.733 AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. 00:22:29.833 --> 00:22:31.233 AND IF YOU WANT TO READ MORE ABOUT IT, 00:22:31.333 --> 00:22:33.367 YOU CAN READ THE SECOND NEWSLETTER I WROTE 00:22:33.467 --> 00:22:34.999 ON THIS ISSUE. 00:22:35.099 --> 00:22:38.033 BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR NASA, 00:22:38.133 --> 00:22:41.167 THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. 00:22:41.267 --> 00:22:42.400 IT'S A PROBLEM FOR ISRAEL. 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:47.800 IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY BALLISTIC MISSILES MOVE AND ACT. 00:22:47.900 --> 00:22:50.200 THEY'RE NOT EASILY STOPPABLE. 00:22:50.300 --> 00:22:53.266 CRUISE MISSILES ARE NEARLY TOTALLY NON-STOPPABLE 00:22:53.366 --> 00:22:54.566 BECAUSE THEY GO FLAT. 00:22:54.666 --> 00:22:56.899 THEY DON'T AN ARC TO THEM. 00:22:56.999 --> 00:22:58.833 AND THEN THERE WERE DRONES. 00:22:58.933 --> 00:23:02.567 AND THE DRONES WERE MAYBE 185 DRONES, 00:23:02.667 --> 00:23:06.200 AND THOSE DRONES ARE SLOW-MOVING. 00:23:06.300 --> 00:23:08.233 SO YOU CAN SHOOT THEM FROM A PLANE 00:23:08.333 --> 00:23:11.299 USING A REGULAR MACHINE GUN OR A ROCKET. 00:23:11.399 --> 00:23:14.566 YOU COULD DO THEM WITH ANTI-MISSILE THINGS, AS WELL. 00:23:14.666 --> 00:23:19.500 THE AMERICANS SHOT DOWN SOMEWHERE LIKE 80 DRONES. 00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:22.967 THERE WERE SOME JORDANIANS WHO SHOT DOWN DRONES. 00:23:23.067 --> 00:23:26.533 PERHAPS SOME BRITISH PEOPLE, AS WELL. 00:23:26.633 --> 00:23:30.499 CERTAINLY ISRAEL SHOT DOWN DRONES, AS WELL. 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:35.566 NO DRONES AND NO CRUISE MISSILES MADE IT TO ISRAEL. 00:23:35.666 --> 00:23:38.300 BUT REMEMBER THAT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:44.266 THIS 99% SUCCESS RATE MEANT THAT THE PLACES 00:23:44.366 --> 00:23:49.533 WHERE THESE MISSILES WERE GOING TO COME TO WAS KNOWN IN ADVANCE 00:23:49.633 --> 00:23:53.800 BY AMERICAN MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE. 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:58.933 AND SO YOU HAD TO GET THE F-15'S AND F-16'S INTO THE AIR 00:23:59.033 --> 00:24:03.066 AND BE IN A HOLDING PATTERN TO WAIT TO GET THOSE MISSLES. 00:24:03.166 --> 00:24:08.200 SO WITHOUT CONTEXT, IT SOUNDS LIKE A TOTAL MIRACLE. 00:24:08.300 --> 00:24:09.167 99%. 00:24:09.267 --> 00:24:10.899 THERE'S NEVER SUCH A RATE. 00:24:10.999 --> 00:24:14.133 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE PLANNING, 00:24:14.233 --> 00:24:20.566 IT WAS AN EXERCISE TO MAKE EVERYONE LOOK GOOD. 00:24:20.666 --> 00:24:23.999 BUT THE ONLY PERSON WHO WAS LEFT OUT OF THE PLANNING WAS ISRAEL. 00:24:24.099 --> 00:24:26.600 ISRAEL WAS GIVEN INFORMATION TOWARD THE END. 00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:30.266 AND ALL THE MISSILES WERE AIMED AT ISRAEL. 00:24:30.366 --> 00:24:31.100 JONATHAN: OH, WOW. 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:32.133 SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. 00:24:32.233 --> 00:24:34.167 DID ISRAEL KNOW THAT THE ATTACK WAS COMING? 00:24:34.267 --> 00:24:36.900 BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WASN'T UNTIL MAYBE 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.000 YOU KNOW THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE GOT WIND OF IT. 00:24:39.100 --> 00:24:43.167 I'M SURE THEY HAVE MONITORING THINGS ON IRAN THEY SEE, 00:24:43.267 --> 00:24:45.067 OR IN YEMEN, THEY SEE THESE BALLISTIC 00:24:45.167 --> 00:24:46.633 AND THESE MISSILES COMING IN, 00:24:46.733 --> 00:24:50.533 AND THEY SNAP INTO PROTOCOL TO TAKE THEM OUT. 00:24:50.633 --> 00:24:54.100 AVNER: THREE DAYS BEFORE APRIL 13th, 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:57.700 AMERICA GAVE ISRAEL INTELLIGENCE. 00:24:57.800 --> 00:25:00.766 BUT AMERICA HAD INFORMATION GOING BACK TO 00:25:00.866 --> 00:25:04.567 BEING BEFORE THE TENTH OF APRIL ON THIS ISSUE 00:25:04.667 --> 00:25:07.167 AND INFORMED SAUDIS. 00:25:07.267 --> 00:25:10.000 AND A LOT OF THIS CAME THROUGH THE SWISS, 00:25:10.100 --> 00:25:14.533 THROUGH OMAN, THROUGH TURKEY, TO AMERICA, 00:25:14.633 --> 00:25:18.100 AND THEN FROM AMERICA TO ISRAEL. 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:24.399 JONATHAN: SO THE 99% SUCCESS RATE OR DEFEATING 00:25:24.499 --> 00:25:26.766 OF THESE ATTACKS, THE MISSILES, 00:25:26.866 --> 00:25:31.200 WAS DUE TO THESE POWERS AT PLAY, 00:25:31.300 --> 00:25:32.667 KNOWING THE ATTACK WAS COMING, 00:25:32.767 --> 00:25:36.133 BEING IN THE RIGHT SPOT AT THE RIGHT TIME. 00:25:36.233 --> 00:25:39.833 IF IRAN WAS TO FIRE SUCH A SIMILAR ATTACK 00:25:39.933 --> 00:25:44.166 WITHOUT BACK CHANNELING THE INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY, 00:25:44.266 --> 00:25:46.633 WHAT WOULD THAT DAMAGE LOOK LIKE, 00:25:46.733 --> 00:25:49.533 IN YOUR OPINION, HOW WOULD ISRAEL BE ABLE TO THWART THAT, 00:25:49.633 --> 00:25:50.833 IN YOUR OPINION? 00:25:50.933 --> 00:25:53.400 AVNER: IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT. 00:25:53.500 --> 00:25:56.433 TWO OTHER THINGS TO KNOW. 00:25:56.533 --> 00:25:59.633 EIGHT MISSILES HIT AND WERE FILMED. 00:25:59.733 --> 00:26:03.733 YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE INTERNET, 00:26:03.833 --> 00:26:07.233 HIT AN AIR BASE NOT FAR FROM WHERE WE LIVE. 00:26:07.333 --> 00:26:11.033 THOSE MISSILES WERE NOT TAKEN OUT. 00:26:11.133 --> 00:26:14.533 OF THE 130 MISSILES THAT IRAN FIRED, 00:26:14.633 --> 00:26:18.600 HALF OF THEM EITHER EXPLODED OR CRASHED BEFORE GETTING TO HERE. 00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:24.767 60 OF THEM, OF THOSE 60, 20 MADE IT INTO ISRAEL. 00:26:24.867 --> 00:26:27.367 AND THEY WERE NOT HIT BY ANYTHING. 00:26:27.467 --> 00:26:29.399 BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO STOP THEM. 00:26:29.499 --> 00:26:31.899 40 OF THEM WERE TAKEN DOWN. 00:26:31.999 --> 00:26:33.799 BUT IT'S VERY HARD TO STOP THEM. 00:26:33.899 --> 00:26:37.966 SO THOSE MISSILES, MOST OF THEM USED A VERY SMALL PAYLOAD 00:26:38.066 --> 00:26:41.766 OF ABOUT 20 KILOS OF EXPLOSIVE MATERIAL. 00:26:41.866 --> 00:26:45.566 NORMALLY THEY USE 450-500 KILOS. 00:26:45.666 --> 00:26:50.399 SO THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND THAT ATTACK WAS NOT TO KILL PEOPLE, 00:26:50.499 --> 00:26:51.433 FOR THE MOST PART. 00:26:51.533 --> 00:26:52.533 JONATHAN: RIGHT. 00:26:52.633 --> 00:26:56.866 AVNER: IF THEY HAD SENT BALLISTIC MISSILES 00:26:56.966 --> 00:27:00.366 WITH FULL PAYLOADS AND ISRAEL DIDN'T KNOW, 00:27:00.466 --> 00:27:02.033 THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE KILLED. 00:27:02.133 --> 00:27:03.066 JONATHAN: OKAY. 00:27:03.166 --> 00:27:07.700 SO THEY'RE SENDING MISSILES WITHOUT PAYLOAD, 00:27:07.800 --> 00:27:12.566 WITHOUT FULL EXPLOSIVE POWER, AND THAT'S JUST TO SHOW 00:27:12.666 --> 00:27:14.133 THE WORLD, ISRAEL SPECIFICALLY, 00:27:14.233 --> 00:27:15.566 BUT THE WORLD AT LARGE, LOOK, 00:27:15.666 --> 00:27:19.433 WE CAN REACH ISRAEL WITH THESE, BETTER WATCH OUT, 00:27:19.533 --> 00:27:21.033 WE'RE COMING FOR YOU EVENTUALLY. 00:27:21.133 --> 00:27:22.933 IS THAT THE WHOLE SCHTICK? 00:27:23.033 --> 00:27:23.833 AVNER: YEAH, WELL, AGAIN, 00:27:23.933 --> 00:27:25.166 IT'S LIKE IN POLITICS. 00:27:25.266 --> 00:27:27.667 WHEN PEOPLE GET UP AND SAY THINGS PUBLICALLY, 00:27:27.767 --> 00:27:30.767 THEY DIDN'T SAY THE SAME THINGS IN THE CLOSED ROOMS BEHIND. 00:27:30.867 --> 00:27:31.899 JONATHAN: YEAH. 00:27:31.999 --> 00:27:33.467 AVNER: AND SO WHAT IRAN IS SAYING TO ISRAEL IS, 00:27:33.567 --> 00:27:39.266 HEY, WE COULD DO FAR MORE. 00:27:39.366 --> 00:27:41.867 BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'LL STAND. 00:27:41.967 --> 00:27:44.300 AND WE'LL STAND DOWN NOW. 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.867 BUT IF YOU RESPOND TO WHAT WE DID, 00:27:46.967 --> 00:27:49.333 THE BIGGEST MISSILE DRONE ATTACK IN THE WORLD, 00:27:49.433 --> 00:27:53.133 IF YOU RESPOND TO THAT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO CRAZY. 00:27:53.233 --> 00:27:56.000 BUT, OF COURSE, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING CRAZY. 00:27:56.100 --> 00:27:59.366 SO ISRAEL BASICALLY RESPONDED, 00:27:59.466 --> 00:28:01.866 BUT ALSO IN A WAY ON TWO LEVELS. 00:28:01.966 --> 00:28:09.999 ISRAEL RESPONDED BY TAKING OUT THE ANTI-AIRCRAFT PROTECTION 00:28:10.099 --> 00:28:13.266 AROUND THE NUCLEAR SITE THAT'S 70 KILOMETERS AWAY, 00:28:13.366 --> 00:28:14.233 BUT STILL, 00:28:14.333 --> 00:28:19.233 THAT ANTI-AIRCRAFT SITE, THE RUSSIAN SITE, 00:28:19.333 --> 00:28:25.666 PROTECTS A PLACE CALLED, WHICH IS 70 KILOMETERS AWAY. 00:28:25.766 --> 00:28:28.033 SO ISRAEL WAS ABLE TO TAKE OUT THE RADAR, 00:28:28.133 --> 00:28:29.833 AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, HEY, 00:28:29.933 --> 00:28:35.166 YOUR WHOLE ATOMIC PROGRAM IS DEFENDED BY THESE RADARS. 00:28:35.266 --> 00:28:37.433 WE COULD TAKE THEM OUT ANYTIME WE WANT. 00:28:37.533 --> 00:28:39.067 SO THERE'S ALL THIS DISCUSSION. 00:28:39.167 --> 00:28:42.800 WE'RE DEALING WITH LIKE AN ORIENTAL BAZAAR 00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:46.700 WHERE PEOPLE ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE COST OF THE CARPETS, RIGHT. 00:28:46.800 --> 00:28:49.633 BUT THERE IS A WAR GOING ON. 00:28:49.733 --> 00:28:54.299 AND PERHAPS IF AMERICA HADN'T GOT INVOLVED WITH IRAN, 00:28:54.399 --> 00:28:55.633 THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE OF ISRAELIS 00:28:55.733 --> 00:28:57.433 WHO WOULD HAVE DIED. 00:28:57.533 --> 00:29:00.133 JONATHAN: SO YOU THINK THAT POTENTIALLY AMERICA HELPED, 00:29:00.233 --> 00:29:04.866 THROUGH THEIR BACK CHANNELING, LESSEN THE BLOW? 00:29:04.966 --> 00:29:06.233 AVNER: WELL, IT'S LIKE THIS. 00:29:06.333 --> 00:29:09.033 HOW DID HITLER END UP GETTING ALL HIS ARMS 00:29:09.133 --> 00:29:13.766 WHEN THE TREATY OF VERSAILLES SAID GERMANY COULD NOT REARM? 00:29:13.866 --> 00:29:15.799 SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, THE WEST SAID TO HITLER, 00:29:15.899 --> 00:29:19.699 YOU CAN REARM AS LONG AS YOU CHASE THE COMMUNISTS. 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.600 SO WAS THAT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING? 00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:23.266 JONATHAN: MM-HM. 00:29:23.366 --> 00:29:24.500 IN HINDSIGHT, VERY BAD. 00:29:24.600 --> 00:29:26.700 REBECCA: YEAH. 00:29:26.800 --> 00:29:27.800 JONATHAN: SO... 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.233 REBECCA: THAT LED ME TO MY QUESTION. 00:29:30.333 --> 00:29:34.933 SINCE AMERICA IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ALLY TO ISRAEL, 00:29:35.033 --> 00:29:40.400 WHY HAVE WE GIVEN SO MUCH MONEY TO IRAN, 00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:45.733 AND WHAT IS OUR ROLE IN THIS RELATIONSHIP IN THE MIDDLE EAST 00:29:45.833 --> 00:29:48.966 BETWEEN ISRAEL AND IRAN? 00:29:49.066 --> 00:29:51.166 AVNER: THESE ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. 00:29:51.266 --> 00:29:53.999 AND A PROPER ANSWER TAKES A FEW HOURS. 00:29:54.099 --> 00:29:57.933 BUT THE MCDONALD'S ANSWER, THE SHORT ANSWER, 00:29:58.033 --> 00:30:00.900 IS THAT SUPER POWERS, WHETHER THEY BE ASSYRIA 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:06.466 OR BABYLON OR PERSIA OR NAZI GERMANY OR SOVIET RUSSIA 00:30:06.566 --> 00:30:10.166 OR AMERICA, DO THINGS IN THEIR OWN INTERESTS. 00:30:10.266 --> 00:30:15.033 AND THEIR OWN INTERESTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY BIBLICALLY BASED. 00:30:15.133 --> 00:30:19.366 AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, AMERICA WANTS TO BE 00:30:19.466 --> 00:30:22.533 THE STRONGEST INFLUENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR MANY REASONS. 00:30:22.633 --> 00:30:24.166 ONE, TO KEEP OUT RUSSIA. 00:30:24.266 --> 00:30:28.933 TWO, TO MAKE SURE IRAN DOESN'T TAKE EVERYTHING OVER. 00:30:29.033 --> 00:30:33.766 AND SO IT REQUIRES DOING HORSE TRADING. 00:30:33.866 --> 00:30:36.800 AND YOU DO HORSE TRADING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE ENEMIES. 00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:39.267 SO SAUDI ARABIA IS SUNNI. 00:30:39.367 --> 00:30:40.567 THEY HATE IRAN. 00:30:40.667 --> 00:30:41.733 IRAN IS SHIITE. 00:30:41.833 --> 00:30:44.099 THEY HATE SAUDI ARABIA. 00:30:44.199 --> 00:30:47.333 SO AMERICA WORKS WITH BOTH OF THEM. 00:30:47.433 --> 00:30:50.100 AMERICA WORKS WITH ISRAEL. 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.033 HAMAS IS ISRAEL'S ENEMY. 00:30:52.133 --> 00:30:55.066 HAMAS IS TOTALLY SUPPORTED BY CUTTER. 00:30:55.166 --> 00:30:58.433 AND CUTTER IS WHERE AMERICA HAS ITS MAIN MIDDLE EASTERN BASE, 00:30:58.533 --> 00:31:00.499 THE ALBU BAID BASE, 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.933 AND IT ALSO SUPPORTS CENTCOM OUT OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, 00:31:05.033 --> 00:31:06.099 THROUGH CUTTER. 00:31:06.199 --> 00:31:10.366 SO AMERICA SUPPORTS THE BIGGEST SUPPORTER OF HAMAS 00:31:10.466 --> 00:31:13.466 AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM THROUGH CUTTER. 00:31:13.566 --> 00:31:17.166 AND YET, AMERICA SUPPORTS ISRAEL, TOO. 00:31:17.266 --> 00:31:21.000 WHICH BRINGS YOU TO JAMES CHAPTER 3 WHERE JAMES SAYS, 00:31:21.100 --> 00:31:25.233 YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SWEET AND BITTER WATERS 00:31:25.333 --> 00:31:29.033 OR SWEET AND BITTER FRUIT COMING FROM THE SAME TREE. 00:31:29.133 --> 00:31:32.333 BUT THE REASON THAT PASSAGE IS IN THE BIBLE IS BECAUSE, 00:31:32.433 --> 00:31:35.733 UNFORTUNATELY THIS HAPPENS A LOT IN LIFE. 00:31:35.833 --> 00:31:38.167 WE HAVE ONE MOUTH AND SOMETIMES IT CURSES 00:31:38.267 --> 00:31:40.200 AND SOMETIMES IT BLESSES. 00:31:40.300 --> 00:31:41.566 AND THAT HAPPENS WITH COUNTRIES, AS WELL. 00:31:41.633 --> 00:31:42.500 JONATHAN: OKAY. 00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:43.833 SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ATTACK 00:31:43.933 --> 00:31:46.133 JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR TIME AND TRYING TO GET THROUGH 00:31:46.233 --> 00:31:48.200 ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH TO COVER, 00:31:48.300 --> 00:31:50.999 EVEN THOUGH I WANTED TO GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE RIGHT THERE. 00:31:51.099 --> 00:31:55.233 SO THIS ATTACK TAKES PLACE, OKAY. 00:31:55.333 --> 00:31:59.366 THE U.S., JORDAN, MAYBE THE BRITISH, 00:31:59.466 --> 00:32:03.666 ISRAEL THWARTED TO A 99% SUCCESS RATE, 00:32:03.766 --> 00:32:07.166 WHICH TO THE WORLD'S EYES LOOKS LIKE A MIRACLE, 00:32:07.266 --> 00:32:10.600 ALTHOUGH WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS POWERS THAT BE 00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:13.500 THAT MADE IT ALL HAPPEN THAT WAY. 00:32:13.600 --> 00:32:15.300 THEN ISRAEL STRIKES BACK. 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.666 SO THERE'S THIS DANCE HAPPENING WHERE THEY'RE SAYING, 00:32:17.766 --> 00:32:20.466 LOOK, YOU CAN DO THIS AND WE CAN DO THIS AND THAT. 00:32:20.566 --> 00:32:23.100 SO NOW THE NEXT MOVE THAT, IN YOUR OPINION, 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.333 THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE WOULD BE A MOVE FROM IRAN 00:32:27.433 --> 00:32:31.400 OR, IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT COMES NEXT? 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:33.066 AVNER: YOU'RE ASKING GREAT QUESTIONS, 00:32:33.166 --> 00:32:34.566 AND THEY ALL TAKE A LONG TIME, 00:32:34.666 --> 00:32:37.767 BUT THE SHORT ANSWER: IF SOMEBODY SENDS 350 MISSLES 00:32:37.867 --> 00:32:43.666 AT YOU, RIGHT, AND 20 OF THEM GET THROUGH 00:32:43.766 --> 00:32:47.000 AND SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. 00:32:47.100 --> 00:32:48.533 YOU DON'T NEED TO RESPOND. 00:32:48.633 --> 00:32:50.766 MIDDLE EAST IS A JUNGLE. 00:32:50.866 --> 00:32:53.766 AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PREPARED TO SHOW THAT 00:32:53.866 --> 00:32:57.167 YOU CAN'T MESS WITH THEM, THEY GET MESSED WITH. 00:32:57.267 --> 00:32:59.999 IT'S LIKE A JUNKYARD DOG. 00:33:00.099 --> 00:33:04.033 AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, IRAN TOTALLY ATTACKED 00:33:04.133 --> 00:33:08.800 ISRAEL'S DETERRENCE, AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. 00:33:08.900 --> 00:33:10.699 SO THIS IS REAL BIG. 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.866 AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, IF ISRAEL DOESN'T RESPOND, 00:33:13.966 --> 00:33:17.033 THEN THEY'RE CONSIDERED BY ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES WIMPS. 00:33:17.133 --> 00:33:19.966 AND IF AMERICA DOESN'T LET ISRAEL RESPOND, 00:33:20.066 --> 00:33:22.600 THEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WHEN WE'RE IN TROUBLE, 00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:25.533 WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DEPEND ON AMERICA. 00:33:25.633 --> 00:33:27.833 SO THAT'S SOME OF THE CONTEXT HERE. 00:33:27.933 --> 00:33:29.100 SO WHAT ISRAEL -- 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.499 JONATHAN: OH, GO AHEAD. 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.166 AVNER: -- SO WHAT ISRAEL DID IS ISRAEL, 00:33:33.266 --> 00:33:35.900 BECAUSE OF STRONG AMERICAN PRESSURE, SAID, OKAY, 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.833 WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SMALL FOR RIGHT NOW. 00:33:37.933 --> 00:33:39.633 IT'S PLAN ONE, STEP ONE. 00:33:39.733 --> 00:33:42.133 BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER STEPS, I'M SURE. 00:33:42.233 --> 00:33:47.299 AND ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE AND DIPLOMATS DON'T TELL ME 00:33:47.399 --> 00:33:49.066 WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO JUST LIKE THEY DON'T 00:33:49.166 --> 00:33:51.500 TELL THE AMERICANS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. 00:33:51.600 --> 00:33:53.933 AND SO I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER THINGS HERE. 00:33:54.033 --> 00:33:56.300 WE'RE DEALING WITH A WAR. 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.833 AND ACCORDING TO THE ISLAMIC UNDERSTANDING 00:33:58.933 --> 00:34:01.699 YOU HAVE AT THE END OF TIMES, YOU HAVE THE ANTICHRIST, 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.766 THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST CALLED AL-DAJJAL. 00:34:04.866 --> 00:34:08.433 AND YOU HAVE LAMECH, HE WHO IS LIKE A MESSIAH WHO COMES 00:34:08.533 --> 00:34:09.699 AND RESCUES. 00:34:09.799 --> 00:34:13.400 AND THEY'RE GOING TO DESTROY THE FORCES OF ALL THOSE 00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:17.033 WHO DON'T ACCEPT ISLAM AND EVEN THE TREES 00:34:17.133 --> 00:34:19.966 AND THE STONES ARE GOING TO HELP FIGHT AGAINST THE JEWS. 00:34:20.066 --> 00:34:25.166 AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BECOME MUSLIM. 00:34:25.266 --> 00:34:27.900 AND EITHER AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD OR THROUGH BEING KILLED 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.300 OR THROUGH WILLINGLY ACCEPTING ISLAM. 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.066 THAT'S THEIR END GAME. 00:34:34.166 --> 00:34:35.567 AND THEY DON'T HIDE IT. 00:34:35.667 --> 00:34:38.067 THIS IS WHY THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF HAMAS, 00:34:38.167 --> 00:34:40.733 JUST READ HAMAS' COVENANT. 00:34:40.833 --> 00:34:42.267 TYPE IN "HAMAS COVENANT". 00:34:42.367 --> 00:34:45.100 GO TO GOOGLE, AND READ WHAT THEY BELIEVE. 00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:46.233 THAT'S WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH. 00:34:46.333 --> 00:34:50.600 WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE ZEALOUS 00:34:50.700 --> 00:34:52.633 THAN THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTIONARIES 00:34:52.733 --> 00:34:53.933 WHO TOOK OVER RUSSIA. 00:34:54.033 --> 00:34:58.533 THEY'RE MORE ZEALOUS THAN THE NAZIS WHO TOOK OVER GERMANY. 00:34:58.633 --> 00:34:59.400 JONATHAN: THAT'S SCARY. 00:34:59.500 --> 00:35:00.633 HONESTLY IT IS SCARY. 00:35:00.733 --> 00:35:02.433 THINK ABOUT THE TIMES THAT WE'RE LIVING IN 00:35:02.533 --> 00:35:05.566 WHERE THIS IS SUCH A REGIME THAT HAS SO MUCH POWER, 00:35:05.666 --> 00:35:06.999 SO MUCH INFLUENCE THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH 00:35:07.099 --> 00:35:11.533 THE WORLD SUPER POWER, AMERICA, TO THEN ATTACK ISRAEL. 00:35:11.633 --> 00:35:19.066 JUST TO PUT ON THE BIBLICAL PROPHETIC GLASSES FOR A SECOND, 00:35:19.166 --> 00:35:23.966 WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR AMERICA? 00:35:24.066 --> 00:35:28.633 AS WE'VE SHIFTED MORE AND MORE TOWARDS THIS PLACE OF 00:35:28.733 --> 00:35:32.466 PLAYING BOTH SIDES AND NOT TAKING THE STAND, 00:35:32.566 --> 00:35:36.366 I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FROM A BIBLE STANDPOINT. 00:35:36.466 --> 00:35:38.900 AS BELIEVERS IN JESUS, AS BELIEVERS IN YAHWEH, 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.566 AS BELIEVERS IN GOD, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR US AS A NATION 00:35:42.666 --> 00:35:45.267 DOING THIS AND PLAYING WITH THIS 00:35:45.367 --> 00:35:47.399 AS IF IT'S A HOUSE OF CARDS? 00:35:47.499 --> 00:35:48.300 AVNER: SURE. 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:50.033 BOY, THESE ARE SUCH GREAT QUESTIONS. 00:35:50.133 --> 00:35:54.966 I'M REALLY LIMITED IN MY ABILITY TO ANSWER THEM QUICKLY. 00:35:55.066 --> 00:35:58.633 BUT QUICKLY, I WOULD SAY THIS: FIRST OF ALL, 00:35:58.733 --> 00:36:00.299 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 00:36:00.399 --> 00:36:03.833 LIKE AMERICA IN TERMS OF HAVING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THERE 00:36:03.933 --> 00:36:06.600 WHO ARE BELIEVERS WHO LOVE ISRAEL. 00:36:06.700 --> 00:36:09.067 THIS IS AN UNUSUAL THING IN HISTORY. 00:36:09.167 --> 00:36:12.100 AND THERE ARE A LOT OF BELIEVERS IN AMERICA WHO LOVE ISRAEL. 00:36:12.200 --> 00:36:14.966 BUT AS WE CAN SEE FROM THE TOP IVY LEAGUE CAMPUSES 00:36:15.066 --> 00:36:19.533 ALL OVER AMERICA, IT HASN'T MANAGED TO FILTER THROUGH 00:36:19.633 --> 00:36:21.600 TO A LOT OF AMERICANS. 00:36:21.700 --> 00:36:23.500 AND AS IS GREATER PRESSURE, 00:36:23.600 --> 00:36:27.900 THIS IS GOING TO BE A STRATEGIC POINT FOR SATAN 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.900 TO BE TURNING AMERICA AGAINST ISRAEL BECAUSE OF GENESIS 12 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.366 AND CURSING THE JEWISH PEOPLE. 00:36:35.466 --> 00:36:36.933 THOSE WHO CURSE THE JEWISH PEOPLE WILL BE CURSED. 00:36:37.033 --> 00:36:40.199 SO AMERICA BLESSES ISRAEL GREATLY. 00:36:40.299 --> 00:36:45.233 WHERE I LIVE, I HEARD THE TRANSPORT PLANES COMING IN 00:36:45.333 --> 00:36:47.367 AT THE BEGINNING AFTER OCTOBER 7th, 00:36:47.467 --> 00:36:50.700 BRINGING IN ALL THIS BUNKER BUSTER STUFF 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.767 AND ALL THE IRON DOME MISSILES AND STUFF. 00:36:54.867 --> 00:36:58.299 ISRAELIS ARE EXTREMELY THANKFUL FOR THAT. 00:36:58.399 --> 00:37:00.400 AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHO ARE PRAYING 00:37:00.500 --> 00:37:01.000 FOR THAT. 00:37:01.100 --> 00:37:02.666 SO THAT'S ONE THING. 00:37:02.766 --> 00:37:07.666 THE SECOND THING IS, IT SAYS IN JOEL AND IN ZACHARIAH, 00:37:07.766 --> 00:37:11.000 ALL OF THE NATIONS ARE GOING TO COME AGAINST ISRAEL. 00:37:11.100 --> 00:37:16.233 NOT THAT ALL THE NATIONS EXCEPT CHINA, AMERICA, AND MEXICO. 00:37:16.333 --> 00:37:21.433 AND SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHICH IS MOVING IN A DIRECTION. 00:37:21.533 --> 00:37:25.666 I WOULD ADD EZEKIEL 38 SAYS THAT PERSIA, OR IRAN, 00:37:25.766 --> 00:37:28.533 IS GOING TO BE AROUND AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF 00:37:28.633 --> 00:37:32.700 THE INVADING ARMIES IN EZEKIEL 38. 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.600 SO THERE IS A FUTURE HERE, NEGATIVELY FOR PERSIA 00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:38.633 YET TO BE PLAYED OUT. 00:37:38.733 --> 00:37:41.000 I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING OFF THE SCENE. 00:37:41.100 --> 00:37:43.800 AND SO IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE AS BELIEVERS 00:37:43.900 --> 00:37:48.699 TO LIFT THESE ISSUES UP, TO PRAY FOR OUR LEADERSHIP IN AMERICA, 00:37:48.799 --> 00:37:52.866 TO PRAY FOR THE COUNTRY OF ISRAEL FOR THE LEADERSHIP THERE 00:37:52.966 --> 00:37:56.033 TO REALLY GET GOD'S HEART AND STRATEGIES. 00:37:56.133 --> 00:37:59.833 IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT GOD, 00:37:59.933 --> 00:38:03.366 HE LOOKS TO SEE WHAT EACH PERSON IS DOING 00:38:03.466 --> 00:38:06.566 AND HE VALUES THE INDIVIDUAL DECISION. 00:38:06.666 --> 00:38:10.133 SO SOMEBODY LIKE CORRIE TEN BOOM'S FAMILY IN HARLEM 00:38:10.233 --> 00:38:13.133 AND IN AMSTERDAM AND HOLLAND, 00:38:13.233 --> 00:38:16.133 THEY PRAYED FOR A HUNDRED YEARS FOR ISRAEL IN THAT HOUSE 00:38:16.233 --> 00:38:18.233 BEFORE THE NAZIS MARCHED IN. 00:38:18.333 --> 00:38:19.499 REBECCA: WOW. 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.933 AVNER: SO I THINK PEOPLE TO PRAY FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE, 00:38:22.033 --> 00:38:24.533 TO REACH OUT TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE. 00:38:24.633 --> 00:38:26.999 AFTER ALL, HE'S THE JEWISH MESSIAH. 00:38:27.099 --> 00:38:29.933 SO HOW CAN WE KEEP IT JUST TO GENTILES 00:38:30.033 --> 00:38:32.399 IF IT'S FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE, TOO? 00:38:32.499 --> 00:38:36.967 SO I THINK BEING PROACTIVE IN TERMS OF INTERCESSION, 00:38:37.067 --> 00:38:39.366 IN TERMS OF SHARING THE GOOD NEWS, 00:38:39.466 --> 00:38:41.700 IN TERMS OF STANDING UP TO BE COUNTED 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:43.633 WHEN THERE'S ANTISEMITISM. 00:38:43.733 --> 00:38:47.366 AND THAT'S NO LONGER AN ABSTRACT ISSUE. 00:38:47.466 --> 00:38:51.866 THIS IS HAPPENING AT A THEATER CLOSE TO YOU. 00:38:51.966 --> 00:38:54.067 IT'S HAPPENING AT THE UNIVERSITY IN AUSTIN. 00:38:54.167 --> 00:39:00.000 USC AND VANDERBILT AND HARVARD AND COLUMBIA AND U OF PENN. 00:39:00.100 --> 00:39:01.566 IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE. 00:39:01.666 --> 00:39:02.833 NEXT DOOR. 00:39:02.933 --> 00:39:04.433 AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAND UP FOR THAT? 00:39:04.533 --> 00:39:06.999 HOW ARE WE GOING TO SUPPORT THE POLITICIANS 00:39:07.099 --> 00:39:09.200 WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAND FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS 00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:11.267 IN THESE AREAS? 00:39:11.367 --> 00:39:12.333 JONATHAN: I LOVE IT. 00:39:12.433 --> 00:39:13.700 I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO WRAP IT RIGHT HERE. 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:15.633 I WANT TO ADD A COUPLE PRAYER POINTS TO WHAT AVNER JUST SAID, 00:39:15.733 --> 00:39:21.433 AND THAT'S TO PRAY FOR THE 129 HOSTAGES 00:39:21.533 --> 00:39:23.033 THAT ARE STILL IN GAZA. 00:39:23.133 --> 00:39:24.866 THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE NOW, AVNER, 00:39:24.966 --> 00:39:25.766 HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN? 00:39:25.866 --> 00:39:27.600 OCTOBER 7th, SO IT'S LIKE... 00:39:27.700 --> 00:39:29.600 AVNER: IT'S BEEN OVER 200 DAYS RIGHT NOW. 00:39:29.700 --> 00:39:30.833 JONATHAN: OVER 200 DAYS. 00:39:30.933 --> 00:39:34.866 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME CHILDREN, ELDERLY PEOPLE. 00:39:34.966 --> 00:39:38.299 SO WE HAVE TO PRAY FOR THE RELEASE OF THESE HOSTAGES 00:39:38.399 --> 00:39:43.200 AND PRAY THAT THE LORD GUIDES THE PEOPLE 00:39:43.300 --> 00:39:46.933 AND THE POWERS THAT BE AND THE STRATEGIES THAT BE 00:39:47.033 --> 00:39:48.199 AND GIVES THEM WISDOM, 00:39:48.299 --> 00:39:50.866 SPECIFICALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL, THE LEADERS IN ISRAEL, 00:39:50.966 --> 00:39:53.999 BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SUCH A HEIGHTENED SENSE ALL AROUND. 00:39:54.099 --> 00:39:55.133 ISRAEL IS IN WAR. 00:39:55.233 --> 00:39:57.867 AND SO HOPEFULLY, I DON'T WANT TO HIJACK 00:39:57.967 --> 00:39:59.866 THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST CHANNEL, 00:39:59.966 --> 00:40:02.166 BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'LL LET US COME BACK AND DO THIS AGAIN, 00:40:02.266 --> 00:40:03.567 BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AVNER, 00:40:03.667 --> 00:40:06.766 AND CONTINUE TO DO THIS AS ANOTHER PART. 00:40:06.866 --> 00:40:09.933 IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE LET AVNER GO? 00:40:10.033 --> 00:40:11.700 HE'S IN ISRAEL, SO OF COURSE IT'S LATE THERE, 00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.933 WE'RE TRYING TO GET HIM BACK TO BED AND WITH HIS FAMILY. 00:40:15.033 --> 00:40:16.733 AVNER: HEY, IT'S ONLY 10:12 IN THE EVENING, 00:40:16.833 --> 00:40:17.633 IT'S NOT SO BAD. 00:40:17.733 --> 00:40:18.333 JONATHAN: OKAY, GOOD. 00:40:18.433 --> 00:40:19.667 [ LAUGHING ] 00:40:19.767 --> 00:40:22.999 REBECCA: I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I THINK COULD BE ASKED. 00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:26.000 IT'S THIS: I THINK, BECAUSE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT 00:40:26.100 --> 00:40:28.800 AMERICA AS A WHOLE, AMERICA AS A NATION. 00:40:28.900 --> 00:40:34.233 HOW SHOULD BELIEVERS AS A WHOLE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST, 00:40:34.333 --> 00:40:35.666 WHAT SHOULD WE DO? 00:40:35.766 --> 00:40:38.233 BECAUSE I THINK, AND I THINK AVNER ANSWERED THIS, 00:40:38.333 --> 00:40:40.433 BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO HIT ON IS, 00:40:40.533 --> 00:40:42.499 IT'S VERY COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.466 DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS OF SCRIPTURE. 00:40:45.566 --> 00:40:47.699 I THINK CHRISTIANS FEEL PRESSURE 00:40:47.799 --> 00:40:49.899 BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 00:40:49.999 --> 00:40:52.566 WE ARE TOLD GOD LOVES ALL PEOPLE. 00:40:52.666 --> 00:40:56.700 AND SO I THINK CHRISTIANS ARE TRYING TO FIND THEIR FOOTING 00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:58.833 IN ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE IT IS COMPLICATED, 00:40:58.933 --> 00:41:02.066 BUT WE WANT TO STAND WITH WHAT GOD STANDS WITH. 00:41:02.166 --> 00:41:03.933 WE WANT TO PLEASE THE HEART OF GOD. 00:41:04.033 --> 00:41:06.999 SO HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? 00:41:07.099 --> 00:41:08.200 AVNER: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:10.233 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED 00:41:10.333 --> 00:41:12.066 WHICH IS NOT A GREAT QUESTION. 00:41:12.166 --> 00:41:16.200 I THINK, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT, 00:41:16.300 --> 00:41:20.100 FOR INSTANCE, IS HITLER GOOD AND IS AMERICA BAD? 00:41:20.200 --> 00:41:22.600 THAT WOULD BE ONE QUESTION THAT MOST OF US WOULD SAY, 00:41:22.700 --> 00:41:24.833 NO, NO, THAT'S THE WRONG QUESTION. 00:41:24.933 --> 00:41:27.099 HITLER'S BAD AND AMERICA IS GOOD. 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.000 AND THAT'S WHAT WORLD WAR II IS ABOUT. 00:41:30.100 --> 00:41:32.733 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OSAMA BIN LADEN, WE WOULD SAY, 00:41:32.833 --> 00:41:36.533 IS OSAMA BIN LADEN GOOD AND THE SEAL TEAM SIX BAD? 00:41:36.633 --> 00:41:38.900 WE WOULD SAY, NO, THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.833 NOW, OF COURSE, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, 00:41:41.933 --> 00:41:42.999 BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE 00:41:43.099 --> 00:41:45.966 WHO WOULD BE PATRIOTIC AMERICANS. 00:41:46.066 --> 00:41:48.800 SO I THINK BIBLICALLY, I START VERY SIMPLY WITH 00:41:48.900 --> 00:41:52.733 ROMANS 11:28-29 WHEN IT SAYS, 00:41:52.833 --> 00:41:55.700 THE GIFTS AND THE CALLING OF GOD ON THE JEWISH PEOPLE 00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:57.633 ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE, KING JAMES, 00:41:57.733 --> 00:42:01.267 ARE IRREVOCABLE, NEW AMERICAN STANDARD. 00:42:01.367 --> 00:42:04.567 SO THAT MEANS GOD'S CALLING REGARDING THE LAND 00:42:04.667 --> 00:42:06.567 AND THE CALLING OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE BLESSING 00:42:06.667 --> 00:42:07.733 THROUGH THEM. 00:42:07.833 --> 00:42:09.966 THAT'S NOT A MATTER OF A DIFFERENT NARRATIVE. 00:42:10.066 --> 00:42:12.500 THAT'S A BIBLICAL FOUNDATION. 00:42:12.600 --> 00:42:13.833 SO I WOULD START THERE. 00:42:13.933 --> 00:42:19.299 AND IF IT IS TRUE, THEN WHAT ABOUT ROMANS 9:3-5, 00:42:19.399 --> 00:42:23.133 WHICH DESCRIBES THE SEVEN GIFTS GIVEN TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE 00:42:23.233 --> 00:42:25.633 WHICH ARE STILL HERE TODAY? 00:42:25.733 --> 00:42:31.100 SO, AND THEN GENESIS 12, IF WE BLESS THE JEWS, WE'RE BLESSED. 00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:33.933 AND IF WE DISS THEM, WE'RE GOING TO BE CURSED. 00:42:34.033 --> 00:42:35.933 SO I THINK THOSE THREE THINGS, 00:42:36.033 --> 00:42:38.799 IS THE CALLING THERE? 00:42:38.899 --> 00:42:41.766 DID GOD, ACCORDING TO EZEKIEL 37, 00:42:41.866 --> 00:42:43.799 BRING THE JEWISH PEOPLE BACK TO THE LAND 00:42:43.899 --> 00:42:48.633 WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT? 00:42:48.733 --> 00:42:49.699 SEE, THIS IS GOD. 00:42:49.799 --> 00:42:51.166 HE SAYS, I AM BRINGING YOU BACK, 00:42:51.266 --> 00:42:53.500 AND YOU WON'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 00:42:53.600 --> 00:42:55.700 SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING, 00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.999 DO JEWS NEED TO BE BELIEVERS IN ORDER FOR GOD TO USE THEM? 00:43:01.099 --> 00:43:04.833 AND THE ANSWER IS, NO, THAT'S HOW WE GOT SAVED. 00:43:04.933 --> 00:43:09.166 GOD SAVED US, AND WE, GRACE IS AN UNMERITED FAVOR, 00:43:09.266 --> 00:43:11.666 AND THAT'S GOD'S HEART TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE. 00:43:11.766 --> 00:43:14.733 SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT GRACE IS 00:43:14.833 --> 00:43:16.800 AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT GOD HAS A HEART OF GRACE 00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:17.933 TOWARD THE JEWISH PEOPLE, 00:43:18.033 --> 00:43:19.800 HOW IT'S THROUGH THE GOSPEL, YES, 00:43:19.900 --> 00:43:22.600 IT'S THROUGH THE JEWISH MESSIAH, YES. 00:43:22.700 --> 00:43:24.766 BUT THOSE ARE THE FOUNDATIONAL THINGS. 00:43:24.866 --> 00:43:27.267 AND AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT TALKING WITH BELIEVERS, 00:43:27.367 --> 00:43:28.966 IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, 00:43:29.066 --> 00:43:31.533 IT'S HISTORY AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. 00:43:31.633 --> 00:43:34.166 BUT BIBLICALLY, THERE IS A FOUNDATION, I THINK. 00:43:34.233 --> 00:43:37.167 JONATHAN: HOW LARGE IS THE SAUDI ARABIAN ARMY? 00:43:37.267 --> 00:43:40.933 MILITARY, WHAT'S THEIR ABILITY COMPARED TO IRAN? 00:43:41.033 --> 00:43:42.366 ARE THEY LIKE APPLES TO APPLES? 00:43:42.466 --> 00:43:43.667 AVNER: THEY'RE SMALLER, MUCH SMALLER. 00:43:43.767 --> 00:43:44.933 THEIR WEAPONS ARE BETTER. 00:43:45.033 --> 00:43:49.299 IRAN IS STILL USING PHANTOMS AND F-4'S 00:43:49.399 --> 00:43:53.633 FROM THE TIME WHEN IRAN HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH AMERICA. 00:43:53.733 --> 00:43:56.167 THEY TRIED TO BUY NEW PLANES FROM RUSSIA, 00:43:56.267 --> 00:43:59.467 THE SUKHOI SU-30S, BUT NO. 00:43:59.567 --> 00:44:03.900 IRAN HAS DONE -- THEY'RE VERY SMART. 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.566 THEY WORK VERY WELL. 00:44:06.666 --> 00:44:08.700 THEY'RE VERY SLY. 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:10.500 THEY'RE VERY CUNNING. 00:44:10.600 --> 00:44:13.733 SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY SELLING DRONES TO RUSSIA 00:44:13.833 --> 00:44:15.367 TO USE AGAINST UKRAINE. 00:44:15.467 --> 00:44:16.433 JONATHAN: WOW. 00:44:16.533 --> 00:44:17.366 FASCINATING. 00:44:17.466 --> 00:44:19.433 AVNER: THEY'RE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR STUFF 00:44:19.533 --> 00:44:23.266 THAT IRAQ WAS NOT ABLE TO GET TO. 00:44:23.366 --> 00:44:25.533 SO THEY'RE NO SLOUCHES. 00:44:25.633 --> 00:44:28.766 JONATHAN: HOW CLOSE ARE THEY TO HAVING A NUCLEAR WEAPON IN IRAN, 00:44:28.866 --> 00:44:29.966 OR DO THEY HAVE ONE? 00:44:30.066 --> 00:44:30.967 REBECCA: OH, I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY HAD ONE. 00:44:31.067 --> 00:44:32.733 JONATHAN: WELL, IT'S UP IN THE AIR 00:44:32.833 --> 00:44:34.633 UNLESS AVNER WAS GOING TO WAIT -- 00:44:34.733 --> 00:44:35.600 AVNER: THERE'S THREE THINGS. 00:44:35.700 --> 00:44:38.033 ONE, YOU CAN BUY ONE. 00:44:38.133 --> 00:44:38.700 JONATHAN: RIGHT. 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:39.933 FROM NORTH KOREA, RIGHT? 00:44:40.033 --> 00:44:43.233 AVNER: NORTH KOREA AND PAKISTAN HAVE WEAPONS 00:44:43.333 --> 00:44:45.300 THAT THEY CAN BUY IF THEY NEEDED TO. 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:46.733 BUT THEY'RE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. 00:44:46.833 --> 00:44:47.633 LISTEN. 00:44:47.733 --> 00:44:49.933 ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. 00:44:50.033 --> 00:44:51.799 BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, 00:44:51.899 --> 00:44:55.799 THEY'RE SITTING ON A DESK, AND YOU JUST PUT THEM TOGETHER. 00:44:55.899 --> 00:44:58.967 IT'S MISSING THE ONE PIECE THAT MAKES IT FUNCTIONAL. 00:44:59.067 --> 00:45:01.199 SO THEN YOU'RE NOT LYING. 00:45:01.299 --> 00:45:03.699 AS ABRAHAM SAID, SHE'S ALSO MY SISTER, 00:45:03.799 --> 00:45:06.200 AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE CONNECTION WITH THIS. 00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.966 SO IRAN IS LIKE THAT. 00:45:09.066 --> 00:45:11.600 THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF IT. 00:45:11.700 --> 00:45:13.266 JONATHAN: AND THAT KNOCKOUT, 00:45:13.366 --> 00:45:16.033 THAT ATTACK THAT ISRAEL DID ON THE OUTSKIRTS 00:45:16.133 --> 00:45:22.166 OF THEIR ENVIRONMENT, DID THAT, IT JUST WARNED THEM. 00:45:22.266 --> 00:45:25.067 IT DIDN'T STOP THEM OR SLOW THEM IN ANY WAY. 00:45:25.167 --> 00:45:26.233 REBECCA: BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO SEND MESSAGES TO EACH OTHER. 00:45:26.333 --> 00:45:27.500 JONATHAN: BUT IT'S LIKE A DANCE. 00:45:27.600 --> 00:45:29.000 THEY'RE LIKE IT'S LIKE A DANCE AND LIKE -- 00:45:29.100 --> 00:45:30.733 REBECCA: I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF THE ANALOGY IN THE INTERVIEW, 00:45:30.833 --> 00:45:33.100 BUT IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT, YEAH, 00:45:33.200 --> 00:45:35.333 THEY'RE SENDING MESSAGES MORE THAN TRYING TO DO DAMAGE. 00:45:35.433 --> 00:45:38.666 AVNER: ISRAEL SMUGGLED THE ARCHIVES OUT, 00:45:38.766 --> 00:45:42.433 WHICH SHOWED HOW IRAN WAS LYING TO AMERICA AND THE U.N. 00:45:42.533 --> 00:45:46.233 ISRAEL ARRANGED WITH AMERICA TO DO SOMETHING CALLED STUXNET 00:45:46.333 --> 00:45:50.799 WHICH CAUSED ALL THE CENTRIFUGUES TO GET DAMAGED. 00:45:50.899 --> 00:45:53.499 SO THE WHOLE IDEA HAS BEEN TRYING TO DELAY. 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.067 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN GIVEN 00:45:56.167 --> 00:45:58.500 BY PRESIDENT OBAMA, 00:45:58.600 --> 00:46:03.400 AND TEN BILLION JUST RECENTLY BY PRESIDENT BIDEN. 00:46:03.500 --> 00:46:06.000 REBECCA: MONEY WE DON'T EVEN HAVE. 00:46:06.100 --> 00:46:08.533 I'M LIKE, IT'S CRAZY. 00:46:08.633 --> 00:46:09.833 AVNER: IT'S HARD. 00:46:09.933 --> 00:46:12.066 WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE DANCING AT TWO WEDDINGS. 00:46:12.166 --> 00:46:14.833 THEY SAY IN YIDDISH, IT'S HARD TO DANCE AT TWO WEDDINGS 00:46:14.933 --> 00:46:16.066 WITH ONE TOKHES. 00:46:16.166 --> 00:46:19.099 [ LAUGHING ] 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.200 JONATHAN: IS IT TRUE THAT WHEN THEY FIRE THIS 300 -- 00:46:23.300 --> 00:46:25.700 CALLING IT 300, ROUNDING THE NUMBERS -- 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.366 IT DEPLETED THEIR ARSENAL BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION OR... 00:46:29.466 --> 00:46:30.000 OKAY. 00:46:30.100 --> 00:46:30.966 AVNER: NO, NO. 00:46:31.066 --> 00:46:32.033 JONATHAN: BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 00:46:32.133 --> 00:46:33.199 AVNER: IT'S, NO. 00:46:33.299 --> 00:46:36.633 AVNER: THERE'S LOTS MORE WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. 00:46:36.733 --> 00:46:37.333 JONATHAN: YEAH, YEAH. 00:46:37.433 --> 00:46:38.167 ALL RIGHT. 00:46:38.267 --> 00:46:39.066 SORRY, HONEY, GO, ASK YOUR... 00:46:39.166 --> 00:46:40.366 REBECCA: WELL, MY QUESTION IS, 00:46:40.466 --> 00:46:45.267 SINCE OCTOBER 7th WAS PLANNED BY IRAN, 00:46:45.367 --> 00:46:47.199 WHAT -- DO WE HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING 00:46:47.299 --> 00:46:50.399 OF WHAT THEIR INTENTION BEHIND THAT ATTACK WAS? 00:46:50.499 --> 00:46:51.867 AVNER: YEAH. 00:46:51.967 --> 00:46:53.100 TWO INTENTIONS. 00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:57.366 ONE, TO HUMILIATE YOUR ENEMY BEFORE YOU KILL HIM 00:46:57.466 --> 00:47:00.600 IS CONSIDERED A VIRTUOUS WAY OF FIGHTING. 00:47:00.700 --> 00:47:02.399 SECOND OF ALL, WHAT THEY DID THERE, 00:47:02.499 --> 00:47:04.599 THEY WANT TO DO TO ALL OF ISRAEL. 00:47:04.699 --> 00:47:07.367 THIS IS WHAT MOHAMMED DID IN THE HEJAZ 00:47:07.467 --> 00:47:11.033 IN THE SAUDI ARABIAN PENINSULA TO THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS. 00:47:11.133 --> 00:47:14.900 THIS IS WHAT THEY DID AS THEY MOVED THROUGH EVERY COUNTRY. 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.699 AND NOW WE THINK OF IT AS, OH, 00:47:17.799 --> 00:47:20.500 THE ARABS LOVED MATHEMATICS AND THEY HAD BEAUTIFUL, 00:47:20.600 --> 00:47:21.933 GEOMETRIC PATTERNS. 00:47:22.033 --> 00:47:25.333 YEAH, BUT THEY MURDERED PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T BOW THE KNEE. 00:47:25.433 --> 00:47:28.200 SO IN COMMUNISM, THEY STARVED PEOPLE 00:47:28.300 --> 00:47:29.766 AND THEY SENT PEOPLE TO CAMPS. 00:47:29.866 --> 00:47:32.233 IN ISLAM, THEY CUT YOUR HEAD OFF. 00:47:32.333 --> 00:47:34.567 SO YEAH. 00:47:34.667 --> 00:47:38.233 REBECCA: SO EVEN THOUGH -- SO THEY SENT THAT ATTACK, 00:47:38.333 --> 00:47:41.166 AND NOW THEY'VE DONE THAT WHERE THEY'RE SENDING A MESSAGE. 00:47:41.266 --> 00:47:43.800 BUT IF YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GEAR UP 00:47:43.900 --> 00:47:45.633 FOR SOMETHING BIGGER IN THE FUTURE THEN? 00:47:45.733 --> 00:47:46.600 AVNER: OH, FOR SURE. 00:47:46.700 --> 00:47:47.767 THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS FOR YEARS. 00:47:49.133 --> 00:47:50.133 THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS FOR YEARS. 00:47:50.233 --> 00:47:55.666 RIGHT NOW IN LEBANON, YOU HAVE 150,000 ROCKETS, 00:47:55.766 --> 00:47:59.233 20,000 OF THEM HAVE GPS CONTROLS ON THEM. 00:47:59.333 --> 00:48:02.900 THAT MEANS THEY CAN HIT ANYWHERE IN ISRAEL WITHIN FIVE FEET. 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:03.933 REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH. 00:48:04.033 --> 00:48:05.166 JONATHAN: WOULD THE IRON DOME BE...? 00:48:05.266 --> 00:48:08.567 AVNER: NO, IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING, IT'S TOO MUCH. 00:48:08.667 --> 00:48:09.666 JONATHAN: OH, GOSH. 00:48:09.766 --> 00:48:14.167 AVNER: AND SO THAT STARTED AFTER THE WAR IN 2006. 00:48:14.267 --> 00:48:16.066 MY SONS WERE IN THAT WAR. 00:48:16.166 --> 00:48:20.700 SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, AMERICA HELPED DO A PEACE TREATY 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:22.867 BETWEEN LEBANON AND ISRAEL. 00:48:22.967 --> 00:48:27.233 AND NOW HEZBOLLAH, WHICH IS ARMED BY IRAN, 00:48:27.333 --> 00:48:31.400 IS TEN TIMES MORE POWERFUL. 00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:36.367 AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IF THERE'S A WAR WITH ISRAEL, 00:48:36.467 --> 00:48:38.366 WITHIN THE FIRST FEW DAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 00:48:38.466 --> 00:48:44.033 3-5,000 ISRAELIS DYING EVERY DAY UNTIL BEIRUT IS TAKEN OUT; 00:48:44.133 --> 00:48:48.099 THE WATER, THE ELECTRICITY, THE AIRPORTS. 00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:51.166 AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FLEE UP TO SYRIA 00:48:51.266 --> 00:48:52.700 AND TURKEY. 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.833 AND THAT'S WHAT'S PLANNING, 00:48:55.933 --> 00:48:57.266 THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO. 00:48:57.366 --> 00:49:01.133 THEY HAD HOPED TO HAVE FIVE NATIONS ATTACK ISRAEL 00:49:01.233 --> 00:49:07.033 SIMULTANEOUSLY: HAMAS, LEBANON, SYRIA, IRAQ, 00:49:07.133 --> 00:49:08.500 IRAN, AND THE HOUTHIS. 00:49:08.600 --> 00:49:10.166 THAT'S SIX OF THEM. 00:49:10.266 --> 00:49:11.367 THEY'RE PLANNING TO TAKE OVER -- 00:49:11.467 --> 00:49:13.067 REBECCA: AND THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, 00:49:13.167 --> 00:49:15.399 THEY'RE NOT SUNNI MUSLIM? 00:49:15.499 --> 00:49:16.766 LIKE WHAT UNITES ALL OF THEM? 00:49:16.866 --> 00:49:18.200 JONATHAN: SOME OF THEM ARE SUNNI, 00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:20.833 SOME OF THEM ARE SHIITE, BUT ALL OF THEM HATE THE JEWS. 00:49:20.933 --> 00:49:21.833 [ LAUGHING ] 00:49:21.933 --> 00:49:23.100 REBECCA: SO THAT'S THEIR UNITING FACTOR. 00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:24.299 JONATHAN: YEAH, YEAH. 00:49:24.399 --> 00:49:25.966 GET IN LINE, YEAH. 00:49:26.066 --> 00:49:27.033 AVNER: THEY SAY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, 00:49:27.133 --> 00:49:31.066 THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY CAN ALSO BE MY ENEMY. 00:49:31.166 --> 00:49:33.100 [ LAUGHING ] 00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:36.666 JONATHAN: WHY CAN'T ISRAEL JUST PREEMPTIVELY 00:49:36.766 --> 00:49:41.767 SEND HEZBOLLAH TO HELL? 00:49:41.867 --> 00:49:43.333 WHY CAN'T THEY JUST DEMOLISH THEM? 00:49:43.433 --> 00:49:45.100 WHY CAN'T THEY JUST WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH 00:49:45.200 --> 00:49:46.100 RIGHT NOW? 00:49:46.200 --> 00:49:47.467 AVNER: SON, HAVE YOU STUDIED CHURCHILL 00:49:47.567 --> 00:49:51.533 AND WHAT HE HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH THE V-2 ROCKETS AND LONDON? 00:49:51.633 --> 00:49:56.899 THEY BROKE THE BRITISH, THE GERMAN ENIGMA MACHINE, 00:49:56.999 --> 00:50:00.466 THE ULTRA MACHINE, WHICH WAS THE CODE MACHINE. 00:50:00.566 --> 00:50:05.166 THEY FOUND A MACHINE IN POLAND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO 00:50:05.266 --> 00:50:08.399 HAVE BEEN DESTROYED, AND THEY BROUGHT IT TO ENGLAND. 00:50:08.499 --> 00:50:11.166 THEY WERE ABLE TO CRACK THE NAZI HIGH COMMAND CODE. 00:50:11.266 --> 00:50:14.600 THEY KNEW WHERE EVERY ATTACK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. 00:50:14.700 --> 00:50:17.967 AND THEY SAID, IF WE MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE WAY 00:50:18.067 --> 00:50:21.666 LIKE IN COVENTRY OR LONDON, THEN THE NAZIS ARE GOING TO KNOW 00:50:21.766 --> 00:50:24.266 WE BROKE THEIR MACHINE. 00:50:24.366 --> 00:50:26.266 WE CRACKED THEIR CODE. 00:50:26.366 --> 00:50:29.400 AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY'LL CHANGE THEIR CODE. 00:50:29.500 --> 00:50:32.366 BUT IF WE KEEP THE CODE SECRET, 00:50:32.466 --> 00:50:35.700 THEY WILL STILL BE OPEN ON THAT CODE MACHINE. 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.933 AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE THEN TO WIN THE WAR 00:50:38.033 --> 00:50:39.467 FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. 00:50:39.567 --> 00:50:42.567 SO THEY MADE A DECISION WHICH ALLOWED FOR 00:50:42.667 --> 00:50:46.566 BRITISH PEOPLE TO BE KILLED BY NAZI BOMBS. 00:50:46.666 --> 00:50:49.233 THAT WAS ONE OF THE DECISIONS LEADERSHIP HAD TO MAKE 00:50:49.333 --> 00:50:52.367 IN A WAR SITUATION. 00:50:52.467 --> 00:50:55.399 VERY HARD SITUATION TO BE IN. 00:50:55.499 --> 00:50:58.733 SO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH STUFF LIKE THAT, 00:50:58.833 --> 00:51:00.466 FOR ISRAEL, DO WE WANT TO HAVE 00:51:00.566 --> 00:51:04.633 5,000 PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY FOR THREE DAYS? 00:51:04.733 --> 00:51:07.700 WHO WANTS TO MAKE SUCH A DECISION? 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:08.900 JONATHAN: RIGHT. 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:13.633 SO THEY COULD AVOID THAT DECISION BY LEVELING THEM NOW? 00:51:13.733 --> 00:51:16.500 AVNER: WELL, NO, BUT IT STILL WOULD HAPPEN, YOU SEE. 00:51:16.600 --> 00:51:19.233 IT WOULD BE THREE DAYS, AND BEIRUT WOULD BE DESTROYED. 00:51:19.333 --> 00:51:20.500 JONATHAN: OH, OKAY. 00:51:20.600 --> 00:51:21.866 SO OKAY. 00:51:21.966 --> 00:51:24.266 SO IN MY MIND, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS, 00:51:24.366 --> 00:51:27.300 THEY CAN'T -- IT WOULD TAKE MANY DAYS. 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:33.900 AVNER: WHEN AMERICA SIGNED 1701 BETWEEN HEZBOLLAH AND ISRAEL, 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.900 AMERICA DIDN'T ENFORCE 1701, 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.900 WHICH WOULD HAVE MEANT THAT THE MILITARIZED ZONE 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.800 GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE LITANI RIVER. 00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:47.266 WHEN AMERICA SIGNED THE ROGERS AGREEMENT FOR ISRAEL IN '56, 00:51:47.366 --> 00:51:49.866 ISRAEL WITHDREW FROM THE SINAI 00:51:49.966 --> 00:51:54.700 ON THE CONDITION THAT IF EGYPT CLOSED THE STRAITS OF TEHERAN, 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.967 THEN AMERICA WOULD SEND BATTLESHIPS THROUGH 00:51:58.067 --> 00:51:59.999 TO BREAK THROUGH THE EGYPTIAN SIEGE. 00:52:00.099 --> 00:52:03.599 WELL, EGYPT DID THAT IN '67, 00:52:03.699 --> 00:52:06.499 AND LBJ WAS HAVING DOMESTIC PROBLEMS AT HOME. 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.733 SOUNDS FAMILIAR, THIS HAVING PROBLEMS. 00:52:08.833 --> 00:52:11.333 AND HE SAID TO ABBA EBAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, 00:52:11.433 --> 00:52:16.467 HE SAID, LISTEN, WE TOLD YOU YOU CAN'T DO A PREEMPTIVE ATTACK, 00:52:16.567 --> 00:52:21.067 BUT WE CAN'T FULFILL OUR PROMISES TO YOU. 00:52:21.167 --> 00:52:24.800 SO IF YOU DO A PREEMPTIVE ATTACK AND DON'T TELL US, 00:52:24.900 --> 00:52:27.633 WE'LL LET YOU DO IT. 00:52:27.733 --> 00:52:32.867 SO WHAT HAPPENED IS AMERICA ENDED UP MAKING AGREEMENTS 00:52:32.967 --> 00:52:39.867 THAT WERE NOT KEPT BACK IN '67 AND SINCE 2006. 00:52:39.967 --> 00:52:42.000 MANY GOOD THINGS AMERICA IS DOING. 00:52:42.100 --> 00:52:44.333 BUT THEY NEED THE LORD. 00:52:44.433 --> 00:52:46.166 [ LAUGHING ] 00:52:46.266 --> 00:52:49.800 JONATHAN: DO YOU THINK THAT ISRAEL WILL TAKE BACK GAZA 00:52:49.900 --> 00:52:52.566 WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH RAPHA AND THEY HAVE THE HOSTAGES BACK, 00:52:52.666 --> 00:52:55.266 WHOEVER GOD, BLESS THEM -- 00:52:55.366 --> 00:53:01.433 AVNER: I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE TRACKING BIBLICALLY IN ISRAEL 00:53:01.533 --> 00:53:02.366 ON THAT ISSUE. 00:53:02.466 --> 00:53:05.166 JOSH 115 SAYS THAT'S OUR TERRITORY, 00:53:05.266 --> 00:53:06.700 IT'S THE TERRITORY OF JUDAH. 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.067 EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE OURS. 00:53:09.167 --> 00:53:10.833 BUT THERE'S SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THESE ISSUES, 00:53:10.933 --> 00:53:15.100 AND MOST ISRAELIS JUST WANT TO BE LIVING A QUIET LIFE. 00:53:15.200 --> 00:53:20.133 SO THE THING IS, WE CAN'T STOP WORLD WAR II 00:53:20.233 --> 00:53:22.666 BEFORE GETTING TO BERLIN. 00:53:22.766 --> 00:53:24.400 AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 00:53:24.500 --> 00:53:26.266 BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE 00:53:26.366 --> 00:53:30.033 WANT TO SEE US WEAKENED AND CRIPPLED. 00:53:30.133 --> 00:53:33.767 JONATHAN: LISTEN, WE COULD TALK FOR 15 MORE HOURS 00:53:33.867 --> 00:53:35.666 AND JUST BE GETTING TO THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. 00:53:35.766 --> 00:53:38.500 SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO'S WATCHING THIS OR LISTENING 00:53:38.600 --> 00:53:41.333 TO THIS, GO TO DAVIDSTENT.ORG, 00:53:41.433 --> 00:53:43.000 SIGN UP FOR AVNER'S NEWSLETTERS. 00:53:43.100 --> 00:53:45.499 YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT. 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.999 REBECCA AND I DON'T READ A TON OF THINGS TOGETHER, 00:53:48.099 --> 00:53:49.367 BUT WHEN WE DO READ SOMETHING, 00:53:49.467 --> 00:53:52.933 IT'S OFTEN VERY IMPORTANT, IT'S SCRIPTURE, AVNER'S NEWSLETTERS 00:53:53.033 --> 00:53:53.766 REBECCA: THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE. 00:53:53.866 --> 00:53:55.433 [ LAUGHING ] 00:53:55.533 --> 00:53:58.533 JONATHAN: SO WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY INFORMED. 00:53:58.633 --> 00:54:01.666 WE ARE IN VERY FASCINATING TIMES. 00:54:01.766 --> 00:54:03.999 WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE, WHAT A TIME TO BE STANDING 00:54:04.099 --> 00:54:06.900 ON THE WORD OF GOD, TO BE STANDING WITH ISRAEL, 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.967 TO BE BELIEVING FOR THE THINGS OF THE LORD TO COME ABOUT 00:54:09.067 --> 00:54:10.499 IN OUR LIFETIME. 00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.333 OF COURSE, AVNER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CARVING OUT TIME 00:54:13.433 --> 00:54:14.533 TO BE WITH US. 00:54:14.633 --> 00:54:17.166 I HOPE WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE YOU BACK SOON. 00:54:17.266 --> 00:54:19.533 CONTINUE TO GIVE US UPDATES BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT 00:54:19.633 --> 00:54:21.667 THAT WE COVER THE REALITY OF THE MIDDLE EAST, 00:54:21.767 --> 00:54:23.200 THE REALITY OF ISRAEL, 00:54:23.300 --> 00:54:25.000 AND YOU'RE A GREAT VOICE FOR THAT, 00:54:25.100 --> 00:54:27.200 SO WE SO APPRECIATE YOU. 00:54:27.300 --> 00:54:28.233 AVNER: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 00:54:28.333 --> 00:54:30.099 IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU BOTH. 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.800 WE HAVE SUCH SWEET MEMORIES OF SEEING YOU LAST TIME 00:54:32.900 --> 00:54:34.367 WHEN YOU WERE IN TEXAS. 00:54:34.467 --> 00:54:35.367 JONATHAN: GOOD. 00:54:35.467 --> 00:54:36.633 WELL, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE YOU HERE SOON 00:54:36.733 --> 00:54:39.500 OR WE WILL BE IN ISRAEL AND VISITING YOU IN PERSON SOON. 00:54:39.600 --> 00:54:40.766 REBECCA: YEAH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 00:54:40.866 --> 00:54:41.633 [ LAUGHING ]