REBECCA LAMB WEISS: FOR THIS EPISODE TODAY,
JONATHAN AND I SIT DOWN WITH AVNER BOSKEY.
HE IS AN EXPERT IN THE MIDDLE EAST
NOT ONLY FROM A GEOPOLITICAL PERSPECTIVE
BUT ALSO A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL.
AND WE SIT DOWN TO TALK ABOUT THE RECENT ATTACK
FROM IRAN TO ISRAEL AND ALL THE EVENTS SURROUNDING THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO STAY TUNED TO GET BIBLICAL
AND POLITICAL INSIGHT.
REBECCA LAMB WEISS: ALL RIGHT.
YOU CAN START THIS OFF.
JONATHAN WEISS: LISTEN, MAN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO PULL THIS TOGETHER
ON SO SHORT NOTICE IS BECAUSE I FOLLOW YOUR NEWSLETTERS,
WHICH COME OUT --
REBECCA: SO DO I.
JONATHAN: YEAH, REBECCA FOLLOWS THEM TOO.
REBECCA: I READ THEM.
JONATHAN: YEAH, I'M EITHER READING THEM TO YOU
OR YOU'RE READING THEM TO ME.
BECAUSE THEY ARE LONG AND THEY'RE HEFTY.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE IN THEM.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE READING, LISTEN,
THERE'S NOBODY THAT I KNOW OF THAT CAN TALK ABOUT
WHAT IS GOING ON IN ISRAEL AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST
FROM A BIBLICAL AND PROPHETIC PERSPECTIVE LIKE YOU CAN.
AND SO WHEN THIS ATTACK HAPPENED FROM IRAN TO ISRAEL,
I WAS LIKE, WE HAVE TO TALK TO AVNER,
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON,
AND WE HAVE TO GET OUR AUDIENCE TO PRAY
AND TO PRAY WITH INTELLIGENCE.
SO JUST TO START FROM GROUND ZERO,
FROM THE BASICS, WHY -- WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT INTO THIS
JUST TO MAXIMIZE OUR TIME -- WHY DID IRAN ATTACK ISRAEL?
AVNER BOSKEY: WELL, THEY SAY -- I REMEMBER
HEARING ONCE WHEN I WAS STUDYING IN SEMINARY,
A TEXT WITHOUT A CONTEXT IS A PRETEXT.
AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE CONTEXT
IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
AND SO THEY MIGHT KNOW THAT THE BOOK OF ESTHER
HAPPENED IN THE PERSIAN TIMES AND THERE WAS HAMAN
AND MORDECAI AND AHASUERUS.
BUT WHEN YOU START MOVING INTO THE MODERN DAYS WITH PERSIA,
YOU HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING HAPPENING
IN 1978, '79, THERE WAS A REVOLUTION IN PERSIA.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK OVER ARE RADICAL JIHADI PEOPLE,
BUT NOT SUNNIS.
SUNNIS IS 80% OF ALL MUSLIMS.
THIS WOULD BE SHIITES.
AND THEY BASICALLY, IF YOU REMEMBER THE AMERICAN CONSULAR,
THE EMBASSY BEING TAKEN OVER
AND THERE WERE 52 HOSTAGES AT THAT TIME.
SO SINCE THAT TIME, IRAN USED TO BE A REAL ALLY OF ISRAEL,
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
AND IT TURNED, AND IT TURNED FROM BEING AN ALLY OF AMERICA.
AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE THE IRAN-CONTRA,
IRAN GATE, AND OTHER THINGS WHICH HAVE HAPPENED.
BUT IRAN IS BEING LED BY SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SO GOOD,
AND THEY WANT TO SEE AN ISLAMIC SHIITE DICTATORSHIP
CALLED A CALIPHATE SET UP ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST.
THEY CALL IT THE SHIITE CRESCENT.
SO IT WOULD GO FROM IRAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH SYRIA, LEBANON.
AND THEY WANT TO SECRETLY BE IN CHARGE
AND BASICALLY TAKE OUT SAUDI ARABIA, WHICH WOULD HELP THEM TO
CONTROL ALL THE OIL IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AS WELL.
BUT NOT JUST MONEY, IT'S REALLY,
THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE
ANOINTED BY ALLAH TO BE IN CHARGE OF ISLAM.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE MUCH OF THE SOURCES
IN THE ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES AND HOLY BOOKS
ARE NOT THAT FRIENDLY TOWARD THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
THEY REPRESENT THAT ATTITUDE AND BELIEVE THAT
ISRAEL SHOULD BE DESTROYED.
JONATHAN: WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE IRANIAN REGIME?
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A CHURCH OF IRAN, AS WELL.
THERE'S A BELIEVING BODY IN IRAN THAT IS HUNGRY FOR THE LORD
THAT ACTUALLY WATCHES CHRISTIAN TELEVISION
OVER BROADCAST OVER THE AIR.
SO THOSE PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL
OR TURNING THE CALIPHATE INTO THE MIDDLE EAST.
BUT THE SIZE OF THE REGIME,
HOW BIG IS THE REGIME THAT THE AYATOLLAH IS LEADING?
WHAT DOES THAT FOOTPRINT LOOK LIKE IN IRAN?
REBECCA: AND WHAT IS THE AYATOLLAH,
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT?
JONATHAN: OH, YEAH.
AND WHO'S THE AYATOLLAH?
REBECCA: WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT FOR PEOPLE
WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.
AVNER: OKAY.
SO BASICALLY, YOU HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS SOMETHING LIKE
89 MILLION PEOPLE IN IRAN.
AND THE REGIME WHICH IS IN CHARGE IS A DICTATORSHIP.
SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT COMMUNISM BEING A DEMOCRACY
THAT YOU HAVE ONE VOTE, ONE MAN,
ONE VOTE, AND ONE TIME.
WHAT YOU HAVE IN IRAN IS, AGAIN, NOT A DEMOCRACY.
YOU HAVE A DICTATORSHIP AND YOU HAVE WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER
THE RIGHTLY GUIDED RULERS.
AND SO AYATOLLAH WOULD BE THE TOP PERSON.
THERE ARE VARIOUS AYATOLLAHS WITHIN IRAN,
BUT THE TOP ONE IS KHAMENEI.
SOME PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER KHOMEINI,
WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE IN THE REVOLUTION.
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY INTENSE IN THE WAY
THAT THEY SEE IT.
IF WOMEN GO OUTSIDE WITH AN UNVEILED FACE,
THEY CAN BE WHIPPED, JAILED, TORTURED, AND KILLED.
CERTAINLY LBT...
JONATHAN: LBGTQ.
AVNER: LBGT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NAME IS,
BUT THEY ARE ALSO TORTURED AND KILLED.
JEWS AND BAH ' "S ARE TORTURED AND KILLED.
IT'S A HARD COUNTRY NOW.
THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF MESSIAH IN IRAN
IS THE FASTEST-GROWING ONE NEARLY IN THE WORLD.
AND THAT'S AN AMAZING THING, AS WELL.
REBECCA: DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THERE
ARE BELIEVERS BY NUMBER?
AVNER: NO.
REBECCA: I GUESS THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW.
AVNER: ELIJAH THE PROPHET WAS WRONG WHEN GOD SAID,
HOW MANY ARE THERE, AND HE SAID,
THERE'S ONLY ONE, ONLY ME.
[ LAUGHING ]
AVNER: IT WAS ACTUALLY 7,000.
SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO WAGER A GUESS,
BUT I'M THANKFUL FOR THOSE.
AND AGAIN, IRANIANS AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY WARM
TO ISRAEL OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S ONLY BEEN SINCE THE SHIITE REVOLUTION IN '78,
'79 THAT THINGS CHANGED.
AND IF IT CHANGES AGAIN, WE WOULD BE HAPPY.
REBECCA: SO THE MAJORITY OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE
DON'T LINE UP WITH THE BELIEFS OF THE REGIME
THAT'S IN CONTROL RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD SAY.
AVNER: IT'S KIND OF LIKE IN GAZA.
THE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN TO KIDNAP, TORTURE, BURN,
RAPE, AND MURDER THE ISRAELIS IN THE KIBBUTZIM,
2,000 OF THEM WERE NAKBA, THEY WERE PEOPLE WORKING WITH HAMAS.
BUT ANOTHER THOUSAND OF THEM WERE JUST PEOPLE
WHO WANTED TO JOIN IN.
AND SO YOU HAVE A SITUATION IN IRAN WHERE,
YES, YOU HAVE THOSE PEOPLE,
BUT THEN YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO JOIN IN.
THE SAME THING WAS TRUE IN RUSSIA.
WHEN WE LIVED IN RUSSIA AND WERE MINISTERING IN RUSSIA,
THEY HAD WHAT'S CALLED A CLUTCHNICK.
A CLUTCHNICK MEANS THE WOMAN WHO OWNS THE KEY.
SO ON EVERY APARTMENT FLOOR,
THERE WAS ONE WOMAN WHO HELD THE KEYS TO ALL THE ROOMS.
AND IN EAST GERMANY, ONE OUT OF EVERY FOUR CITIZENS
OF EAST GERMANY WAS A SPY SPYING ON THE OTHER GERMANS.
SO THIS TYPE OF DICTATORIAL WAY,
IT'S REAL, AND IT'S NOT ONLY IN IRAN.
BUT IT IS DEFINITELY THERE.
REBECCA: AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION,
THEN I'LL LET YOU TAKE BACK OVER.
SO THEY ARE TRYING TO SET UP A CALIPHATE,
WHICH WOULD BE THIS ESTABLISHED RULE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT ISLAM,
BUT IS THERE SOME KIND OF BELIEF THAT'S FUELING THIS
LIKE AN END TIME BELIEF?
BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR OWN END TIME THEOLOGY.
DO THEY BELIEVE IF THEY SET THIS UP,
THIS WILL SET UP FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO HAPPEN?
IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY'RE PUSHING FOR IT?
AVNER: THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE.
AND TO ANSWER THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO USE A CHRISTIAN PARALLEL,
IF I CAN.
THERE ARE UNITARIANS, AND UNITARIANS CALL THEMSELVES OFTEN
CHRISTIANS.
THERE ARE LIBERAL CHRISTIANS WHO DON'T BELIEVE
IN THE VIRGIN BIRTH AND THE RETURN OF JESUS.
AND THEY WOULD CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS.
SO THERE ARE MANY MUSLIMS WHO DON'T BELIEVE
EVERYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE QURAN AND THE HADITH,
AND THEY ARE ORAL LAW.
BUT THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF ISLAM
IS JIHAD IS TO STRIVE IN THE PATH OF ALLAH
AND TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD EITHER THROUGH DAWAH,
THROUGH BEING OUTREACH, OR THROUGH HARB,
THROUGH WAR, THROUGH THE POINT OF THE SWORD.
AND THAT'S STILL CLASSIC ISLAM TAUGHT IN THE SEMINARIES
LIKE AL-ASSIR IN EGYPT AND QOM IN IRAN.
VERY MUCH SO.
THERE HAS BEEN NO REFORMATION,
THERE HAS BEEN NO ENLIGHTENMENT,
AND THEY VERY MUCH BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE THE WORLD
OVER.
NOW, WHEN THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE WEST,
THEY DON'T ALWAYS SAY THAT.
SAUDI ARABIA GAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO BIN LADEN
AS LONG AS HE DIDN'T BOTHER SAUDI ARABIA.
JONATHAN: SO WHEN IT COMES TO THIS MOST RECENT HEADLINE
THAT BROKE WHERE 300 MISSILES AND DRONES
WERE FIRED FROM IRAN INTO ISRAEL, TALK ABOUT,
IT'S THE GREATEST SHOW OF FORCE THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY LIFETIME
DIRECTLY AGAINST ISRAEL.
WHAT PROMPTED IRAN TO DO SUCH A THING NOW?
AVNER: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
YOU HAVE LIKE FOUR HOURS?
I CAN EXPLAIN.
JONATHAN: THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
AVNER: [ LAUGHING ]
SO THE FIRST THINGS, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST SHOW OF FORCE
TECHNICALLY, IT'S THE GREATEST DRONE/CRUISE MISSLE/
BALLISTIC MISSILE ATTACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
IN A BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME.
IT HAPPENED, YEARS AGO BACK AROUND 2020,
AMERICA TOOK OUT THE TOP, TOP GUY,
QASEM SOLEIMANI WHO WAS IN THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY
CORPS GROUP, THE IRANIAN TERROR ARMY,
TOOK HIM OUT AFTER HE FLEW FROM DAMASCUS TO BAGHDAD.
IT INVOLVED DRONES AND IT INVOLVED VARIOUS OTHER THINGS.
HE WAS EVEN HIGHER THAN THE PERSON ISRAEL TOOK OUT.
ISRAEL DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY'VE TAKEN HIM OUT,
ISRAEL TENDS TO BE VERY HUMBLE ABOUT THESE THINGS
AND NOT SAY THAT THEY'VE DONE IT.
BUT AMERICA SAID THEY DID IT.
SO IN ANY CASE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS GUY WHO WAS TAKEN OUT,
HIS NAME WAS GENERAL MOHAMMAD REZA ZAHEDI,
AND HE WAS IN CHARGE OF CONNECTIONS, SUPPLIES,
STRATEGY, MONEY, AND TERROR PLANNING FROM IRAN TO HEZBOLLAH
AND TO HAMAS AND TO SYRIA.
SO HE WAS SECOND IN COMMAND TO QASEM SOLEIMANI.
AND HE WAS TAKEN OUT IN DAMASCUS IN A BUILDING
WHICH WAS NOT PART OF THE EMBASSY BUT ACROSS THE STREET
FROM THE EMBASSY.
AND HE WAS THE MAN ACTUALLY WHO PLANNED
THE OCTOBER 7th MASSACRE OF THE KIBBUTZIM IN GAZA.
SO ISRAEL WAS TAKING OUT ONE OF THEIR ARCH ENEMIES.
AND THIS THEN IRANIAN RESPONSE WAS TO THAT
ISRAEL TOOK OUT THIS ARCH ENEMY.
IT'S LIKE WORLD WAR II AND HITLER.
[ LAUGHING ]
THIS REMINDS ME OF A JEWISH JOKE OF TWO PEOPLE
WHO WERE WORKING WITH BRITISH INTELLIGENCE
WAITING FOR HITLER TO COME AROUND A CORNER IN A CAR
TO ASSASSINATE HIM IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA.
AND THEY'RE WAITING AND WAITING,
AND HE DOESN'T SHOW UP, AND THE FIRST ONE TURNS
TO THE SECOND ONE AND SAYS, I HOPE NOTHING BAD HAPPENED TO HIM
YOU KNOW.
JONATHAN: [ LAUGHING ]
AVNER: AND SO, YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH WAR,
YOU'RE DEALING WITH ENEMIES AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH
PEOPLE WHO KILL A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THIS MAN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF JEWISH PEOPLE BEING MURDERED.
AND ISRAEL TOOK HIM OUT.
AND SO IT'S NOT THAT, SEE, IRAN TOOK OUT THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY CENTER IN BUENOS AIRES AND THE ISRAELI EMBASSY
IN BUENOS AIRES AND KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE NO PROBLEMS ABOUT ATTACKING EMBASSIES.
BUT THEY KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE IT IN SUCH A WAY
THAT THE WEST SAYS, OH,
MAYBE THIS IS REALLY A BAD THING.
BUT AMERICA DID THE VERY SAME THING GOING BACK TO 2020.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THEIR ATTACK WAS BASICALLY,
AND WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT IT, GUYS,
IS THAT IRAN DOESN'T USUALLY ATTACK STRAIGHT ON.
JONATHAN: MM-HM.
AVNER: IT'S LIKE GUERILLA WARFARE.
YOU DON'T GO STRAIGHT ON.
YOU COME AROUND THE BACK SIDE.
SO THESE PROXIES.
SO WHO DO THEY USE TO ATTACK?
THEY ATTACK THE WEST OR ISRAEL USING SYRIA,
USING HAMAS, USING HEZBOLLAH AND LEBANON,
USING QATAR, HEZBOLLAH, AND IRAQ,
USING THE HOUTHIS IN YEMEN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IRAN IS DOING IS
IT'S TRYING TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS IN THE WORLD
BY USING THE HOUTHIS TO STOP FREE SHIPPING IN THE WORLD
AS A WAY OF SHOWING THEIR POWER IN THAT AREA THERE
AND CAUSING COUNTRIES LIKE
BAHRAIN AND QATAR AND SAUDI ARABIA TO BOW THE KNEE TO IRAN.
ALL THOSE COUNTRIES ARE SUNNI, 80% OF ISLAM.
SHIITE IS IRAN.
SO THEY'RE REAL WORLD-CLASS DICTATORS.
THEY'RE LIKE STALIN, THEY'RE LIKE HITLER IN THEIR GOALS.
JONATHAN: SO WHEN THIS ATTACK WAS LAUNCHED BY IRAN,
FROM WHAT I READ IN YOUR NEWSLETTER,
NOT ONLY DID ISRAEL THWART THE MISSILES AND DRONES,
BUT IT ALSO, I BELIEVE, JORDAN HELPED.
APPARENTLY THE U.S. HELPED.
WAS THERE ANYBDOY ELSE THAT HELPED IN STOPPING
THESE MISSILES AND DRONES FROM LANDING AND CAUSING DESTRUCTION
IN ISRAEL?
AVNER: WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE WHICH ARE INTERESTING.
ON ONE HAND, IT'S LIKE MUSICAL CHAIRS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED WHO HAVE TO SIT DOWN
BEFORE WHEN THE MUSIC STOPS?
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS,
BUT IT'S ALL OPEN SOURCE STUFF,
IS BACK IN 2020, IRAN DECIDED TO TAKE VENGEANCE ON AMERICA
FOR TAKING OUT QASEM SOLEIMANI.
BUT THEY NEGOTIATED WITH AMERICA AS TO WHERE THEY WOULD HIT,
AND THEY WOULD HIT IN SUCH A WAY THAT
NEARLY NO AMERICAN BLOOD WOULD BE SPILLED.
AND THEY DID THIS IN 2020.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS ANYWHERE IN THE NEWSLETTER.
YOU CAN SEE IT IN MY NEWSLETTER,
YOU CAN SEE IT ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET.
WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS ONE IS,
AMERICA AND IRAN GOT TOGETHER WITHOUT ISRAEL'S INVOLVEMENT
AND DECIDED EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF ATTACK
IRAN WOULD MAKE ON ISRAEL.
JONATHAN: HOLD ON.
LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE UNITED STATES AND IRAN
BACK CHANNELED AN AGREEMENT TO ATTACK ISRAEL?
AVNER: NO, AMERICA DIDN'T ATTACK, IRAN ATTACKED.
JONATHAN: OKAY.
IRAN ATTACKED, BUT AMERICA SIGNED OFF ON
AND COLLABORATED ON THE CONCEPTS?
MY GOODNESS.
AVNER: YES.
AND THIS IS TOTALLY OPEN SOURCE.
THIS IS NOT SECRET, THIS IS NOT CONSPIRACY.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEWSLETTER THAT I DID,
I THINK IT'S THE SECOND NEWSLETTER, PART TWO.
THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN 2020 WHERE AMERICA,
I WAS AT A BASE CALLED AL-ASAD THAT WAS ATTACKED BY IRAN,
AND THAT'S WHEN A BUNCH OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS
GOT CONCUSSIONS.
SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT.
BUT NO ONE WAS KILLED.
AND SO AMERICA AND IRAN HAD DEVELOPED
A WAY OF COMMUNICATING.
THIS IS NOT STRANGE.
IF YOU GO TO IRAN GATE AND THE IRAN-CONTRA,
ENTER THAT IN YOUR COMPUTER,
AND YOU'LL GET NAMES LIKE BRENT SCOWCROFT
AND VARIOUS OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED.
POLITICS IS A DIRTY BUSINESS.
JONATHAN: WHAT DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO GAIN
BY DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS,
COLLABORATING, APPROVING, GIVING THE STAMP
TO GIVE IRAN THE GO-AHEAD.
WHAT DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO GAIN?
I KNOW AS A BELIEVER WHAT WE HAVE TO LOSE AS FAR AS
THE WRATH AND THE JUDGMENT OF THE LORD STANDING
AND GOING AGAINST ISRAEL, BUT WHAT IS THE U.S.,
FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO GAIN?
AVNER: JOHN LE CARR !, WHO WROTE SPY BOOKS, TALKED ABOUT THAT.
HE SAID, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SPIES,
WHAT DO THEY DO?
THEY TEACH PEOPLE TO BETRAY THEIR OWN COUNTRY
BY LYING IN ORDER TO BENEFIT THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE CIA DOES,
THAT'S WHAT THE MOSSAD DOES,
THAT'S WHAT THE THE KGB DOES, THAT'S WHAT THE MI6, MI5 DO.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.
SO POLITICS IS A DIRTY BUSINESS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT ISAIAH 7,
THE MESSIANIC PROPHECY ABOUT JESUS,
AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE SON WILL BE BORN.
THE CONTEXT OF THAT SON BEING BORN HAS TO DO WITH
SOME VERY DIRTY POLITICS GOING ON BETWEEN ASSYRIA, ISRAEL,
AND JUDAH.
AND SO THESE THINGS ARE PART OF HUMAN HISTORY.
SOMETIMES AS BELIEVERS, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE
IN A HIGH ETHICAL STANDARD, WE DON'T REALIZE THAT
MOST OF OUR COUNTRIES ARE GOVERNED BY PEOPLE
WHO DON'T HAVE THAT STANDARD AND THEY SAY IN ORDER TO
CATCH A RAT, YOU'VE GOT TO BECOME A RAT.
AND THIS IS OFTEN HOW INTELLIGENCE WORKS
AND DIPLOMACY WORKS.
THIS IS NOT NEW.
AND I SPEND MY LIFE READING BOOKS ON THESE THINGS,
SO I KNOW ABOUT THESE THINGS.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T.
BUT, YEAH, AMERICA HAS DONE SOME THINGS IN ITS HISTORY
WHICH AREN'T SO GOOD AND RUSSIA HAS DONE EVEN WORSE
AND HITLER HAS DONE EVEN WORSE.
AND RIGHT NOW, MANY STUDENTS ARE RAMPAGING ON AMERICAN CAMPUSES
WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
JONATHAN: SO AMERICA GREENLIGHTS THIS ATTACK --
REBECCA: WAIT, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION --
JONATHAN: YES.
REBECCA: -- IN RESPONSE TO THAT?
WHAT IS THE NARRATIVE THAT THE STUDENTS AND THE UNIVERSITIES
ARE BEING GIVEN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON
IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT IS THE REALITY?
JONATHAN: TIKTOK 8-SECOND VIDEOS.
TALK ABOUT A FOUR-HOUR...
REBECCA: I KNOW, I'M SORRY.
AVNER: BASICALLY, THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT ISRAEL'S BAD
WHEREAS THE BLACK HAT IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE,
IS CAPITALIST, PRO-AMERICAN.
AMERICA IS BAD.
ORANGE MAN IS BAD.
JEWISH STAR IS BAD.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.
AND THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH, UNFORTUNATELY.
BACK WHEN I WAS A HIPPIE AND A REVOLUTIONARY,
WE KNEW SOMETHING.
THESE DAYS, PEOPLE KNOW FAR LESS.
JONATHAN: SO BASICALLY, I JUST WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT,
THEY DON'T KNOW SO MUCH,
BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IS, THEY'RE BEING STIRRED
EMOTIONALLY TO STAND ON THESE THINGS THAT THEY THINK
THAT THEY'RE STANDING FOR "JUSTICE",
BUT THEY'RE JUST UNEDUCATED AND THEY'RE CONFUSED,
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN -- THAT WAS THE SAME THING THAT I SAW
WHEN I SAW THOSE VIDEOS PLAYING OF THESE STUDENTS,
I WAS JUST -- I ALMOST FELT EMPATHY
BECAUSE I WAS LIKE,
THEY JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY'RE CHEERING FOR.
THEY'RE REALLY CHEERING FOR THE WRONG GROUP.
AND SO --
REBECCA: THEY THINK THEY'RE STANDING UP FOR JUSTICE,
BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY
AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IDEOLOGY OF WHAT'S GOING ON
IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT'S FUELING THESE ATTACKS.
AND SO THEY HAVE A VERY SIMPLIFIED VERSION,
BUT IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLEX,
WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PODCAST,
TO HELP GIVE TO THE PEOPLE AN UNDERSTANDING
OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
BECAUSE EVEN US AS AMERICANS,
OUR VIEWPOINT AND OUR IDEOLOGY IS SO DIFFERENT.
SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE MINDSET SO THAT
WE COULD HAVE BETTER CONTEXT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON.
AVNER: I WOULD ALSO ADD TO THAT ANOTHER POINT,
WHICH IS THAT IN THESE SPECIFIC DEMONSTRATIONS,
ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT THE FOCUS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY, IS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY
CALLING FOR KILLING JEWS, DESTROYING THE STATE OF ISRAEL,
BURNING AND GASSING JEWS,
AND DOING OCTOBER 7th AGAIN AND AGAIN.
THAT HAS UNETHICAL RATIFICATIONS.
YOU'RE CALLING FOR MASS MURDER AND GENOCIDE.
IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF BEING...
NOT UP ON WORLD EVENTS.
REBECCA: THERE'S A DEEPER COMPONENT AT PLAY, AS WELL.
SPIRITUALLY.
JONATHAN: SO THE U.S. GREENLIGHTS THIS ATTACK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I READ IN YOUR NEWSLETTER IS --
REBECCA: THIS IS THE DRONE ATTACK?
JONATHAN: YEAH, IT'S DRONE AND MISSILES THAT CAME FROM IRAN.
WHAT WAS THE DATE, AVNER, OF THIS ATTACK?
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
AVNER: WELL, YOU HAVE THE SATURDAY NIGHT POST-SABBATH,
APRIL 13th AND 14th STARTING AROUND 11:30 AT NIGHT
AND GOING TO ABOUT 2:30 IN THE MORNING.
JONATHAN: RIGHT.
AVNER: THERE WERE A COMBINATION OF THREE THINGS.
THERE WERE CRUISE MISSILES SHOT FROM YEMEN.
30-36 OF THEM.
THEY WERE APPROXIMATELY 130 BALLISTIC MISSILES,
WHICH ARE A REAL BEAST IN TERMS OF THE ABILITY TO STOP THEM.
BECAUSE ALL TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD IS NOT UP ON
BEING ABLE TO STOP BALLISTIC MISSILES WELL.
AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.
AND IF YOU WANT TO READ MORE ABOUT IT,
YOU CAN READ THE SECOND NEWSLETTER I WROTE
ON THIS ISSUE.
BUT THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR NASA,
THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
IT'S A PROBLEM FOR ISRAEL.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY BALLISTIC MISSILES MOVE AND ACT.
THEY'RE NOT EASILY STOPPABLE.
CRUISE MISSILES ARE NEARLY TOTALLY NON-STOPPABLE
BECAUSE THEY GO FLAT.
THEY DON'T AN ARC TO THEM.
AND THEN THERE WERE DRONES.
AND THE DRONES WERE MAYBE 185 DRONES,
AND THOSE DRONES ARE SLOW-MOVING.
SO YOU CAN SHOOT THEM FROM A PLANE
USING A REGULAR MACHINE GUN OR A ROCKET.
YOU COULD DO THEM WITH ANTI-MISSILE THINGS, AS WELL.
THE AMERICANS SHOT DOWN SOMEWHERE LIKE 80 DRONES.
THERE WERE SOME JORDANIANS WHO SHOT DOWN DRONES.
PERHAPS SOME BRITISH PEOPLE, AS WELL.
CERTAINLY ISRAEL SHOT DOWN DRONES, AS WELL.
NO DRONES AND NO CRUISE MISSILES MADE IT TO ISRAEL.
BUT REMEMBER THAT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN,
THIS 99% SUCCESS RATE MEANT THAT THE PLACES
WHERE THESE MISSILES WERE GOING TO COME TO WAS KNOWN IN ADVANCE
BY AMERICAN MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE.
AND SO YOU HAD TO GET THE F-15'S AND F-16'S INTO THE AIR
AND BE IN A HOLDING PATTERN TO WAIT TO GET THOSE MISSLES.
SO WITHOUT CONTEXT, IT SOUNDS LIKE A TOTAL MIRACLE.
99%.
THERE'S NEVER SUCH A RATE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE PLANNING,
IT WAS AN EXERCISE TO MAKE EVERYONE LOOK GOOD.
BUT THE ONLY PERSON WHO WAS LEFT OUT OF THE PLANNING WAS ISRAEL.
ISRAEL WAS GIVEN INFORMATION TOWARD THE END.
AND ALL THE MISSILES WERE AIMED AT ISRAEL.
JONATHAN: OH, WOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
DID ISRAEL KNOW THAT THE ATTACK WAS COMING?
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WASN'T UNTIL MAYBE
YOU KNOW THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE GOT WIND OF IT.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE MONITORING THINGS ON IRAN THEY SEE,
OR IN YEMEN, THEY SEE THESE BALLISTIC
AND THESE MISSILES COMING IN,
AND THEY SNAP INTO PROTOCOL TO TAKE THEM OUT.
AVNER: THREE DAYS BEFORE APRIL 13th,
AMERICA GAVE ISRAEL INTELLIGENCE.
BUT AMERICA HAD INFORMATION GOING BACK TO
BEING BEFORE THE TENTH OF APRIL ON THIS ISSUE
AND INFORMED SAUDIS.
AND A LOT OF THIS CAME THROUGH THE SWISS,
THROUGH OMAN, THROUGH TURKEY, TO AMERICA,
AND THEN FROM AMERICA TO ISRAEL.
JONATHAN: SO THE 99% SUCCESS RATE OR DEFEATING
OF THESE ATTACKS, THE MISSILES,
WAS DUE TO THESE POWERS AT PLAY,
KNOWING THE ATTACK WAS COMING,
BEING IN THE RIGHT SPOT AT THE RIGHT TIME.
IF IRAN WAS TO FIRE SUCH A SIMILAR ATTACK
WITHOUT BACK CHANNELING THE INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY,
WHAT WOULD THAT DAMAGE LOOK LIKE,
IN YOUR OPINION, HOW WOULD ISRAEL BE ABLE TO THWART THAT,
IN YOUR OPINION?
AVNER: IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT.
TWO OTHER THINGS TO KNOW.
EIGHT MISSILES HIT AND WERE FILMED.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE INTERNET,
HIT AN AIR BASE NOT FAR FROM WHERE WE LIVE.
THOSE MISSILES WERE NOT TAKEN OUT.
OF THE 130 MISSILES THAT IRAN FIRED,
HALF OF THEM EITHER EXPLODED OR CRASHED BEFORE GETTING TO HERE.
60 OF THEM, OF THOSE 60, 20 MADE IT INTO ISRAEL.
AND THEY WERE NOT HIT BY ANYTHING.
BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO STOP THEM.
40 OF THEM WERE TAKEN DOWN.
BUT IT'S VERY HARD TO STOP THEM.
SO THOSE MISSILES, MOST OF THEM USED A VERY SMALL PAYLOAD
OF ABOUT 20 KILOS OF EXPLOSIVE MATERIAL.
NORMALLY THEY USE 450-500 KILOS.
SO THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND THAT ATTACK WAS NOT TO KILL PEOPLE,
FOR THE MOST PART.
JONATHAN: RIGHT.
AVNER: IF THEY HAD SENT BALLISTIC MISSILES
WITH FULL PAYLOADS AND ISRAEL DIDN'T KNOW,
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE KILLED.
JONATHAN: OKAY.
SO THEY'RE SENDING MISSILES WITHOUT PAYLOAD,
WITHOUT FULL EXPLOSIVE POWER, AND THAT'S JUST TO SHOW
THE WORLD, ISRAEL SPECIFICALLY,
BUT THE WORLD AT LARGE, LOOK,
WE CAN REACH ISRAEL WITH THESE, BETTER WATCH OUT,
WE'RE COMING FOR YOU EVENTUALLY.
IS THAT THE WHOLE SCHTICK?
AVNER: YEAH, WELL, AGAIN,
IT'S LIKE IN POLITICS.
WHEN PEOPLE GET UP AND SAY THINGS PUBLICALLY,
THEY DIDN'T SAY THE SAME THINGS IN THE CLOSED ROOMS BEHIND.
JONATHAN: YEAH.
AVNER: AND SO WHAT IRAN IS SAYING TO ISRAEL IS,
HEY, WE COULD DO FAR MORE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'LL STAND.
AND WE'LL STAND DOWN NOW.
BUT IF YOU RESPOND TO WHAT WE DID,
THE BIGGEST MISSILE DRONE ATTACK IN THE WORLD,
IF YOU RESPOND TO THAT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO CRAZY.
BUT, OF COURSE, THEY'RE ALREADY GOING CRAZY.
SO ISRAEL BASICALLY RESPONDED,
BUT ALSO IN A WAY ON TWO LEVELS.
ISRAEL RESPONDED BY TAKING OUT THE ANTI-AIRCRAFT PROTECTION
AROUND THE NUCLEAR SITE THAT'S 70 KILOMETERS AWAY,
BUT STILL,
THAT ANTI-AIRCRAFT SITE, THE RUSSIAN SITE,
PROTECTS A PLACE CALLED, WHICH IS 70 KILOMETERS AWAY.
SO ISRAEL WAS ABLE TO TAKE OUT THE RADAR,
AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, HEY,
YOUR WHOLE ATOMIC PROGRAM IS DEFENDED BY THESE RADARS.
WE COULD TAKE THEM OUT ANYTIME WE WANT.
SO THERE'S ALL THIS DISCUSSION.
WE'RE DEALING WITH LIKE AN ORIENTAL BAZAAR
WHERE PEOPLE ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE COST OF THE CARPETS, RIGHT.
BUT THERE IS A WAR GOING ON.
AND PERHAPS IF AMERICA HADN'T GOT INVOLVED WITH IRAN,
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE OF ISRAELIS
WHO WOULD HAVE DIED.
JONATHAN: SO YOU THINK THAT POTENTIALLY AMERICA HELPED,
THROUGH THEIR BACK CHANNELING, LESSEN THE BLOW?
AVNER: WELL, IT'S LIKE THIS.
HOW DID HITLER END UP GETTING ALL HIS ARMS
WHEN THE TREATY OF VERSAILLES SAID GERMANY COULD NOT REARM?
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, THE WEST SAID TO HITLER,
YOU CAN REARM AS LONG AS YOU CHASE THE COMMUNISTS.
SO WAS THAT A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING?
JONATHAN: MM-HM.
IN HINDSIGHT, VERY BAD.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JONATHAN: SO...
REBECCA: THAT LED ME TO MY QUESTION.
SINCE AMERICA IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ALLY TO ISRAEL,
WHY HAVE WE GIVEN SO MUCH MONEY TO IRAN,
AND WHAT IS OUR ROLE IN THIS RELATIONSHIP IN THE MIDDLE EAST
BETWEEN ISRAEL AND IRAN?
AVNER: THESE ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS.
AND A PROPER ANSWER TAKES A FEW HOURS.
BUT THE MCDONALD'S ANSWER, THE SHORT ANSWER,
IS THAT SUPER POWERS, WHETHER THEY BE ASSYRIA
OR BABYLON OR PERSIA OR NAZI GERMANY OR SOVIET RUSSIA
OR AMERICA, DO THINGS IN THEIR OWN INTERESTS.
AND THEIR OWN INTERESTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY BIBLICALLY BASED.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, AMERICA WANTS TO BE
THE STRONGEST INFLUENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR MANY REASONS.
ONE, TO KEEP OUT RUSSIA.
TWO, TO MAKE SURE IRAN DOESN'T TAKE EVERYTHING OVER.
AND SO IT REQUIRES DOING HORSE TRADING.
AND YOU DO HORSE TRADING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE ENEMIES.
SO SAUDI ARABIA IS SUNNI.
THEY HATE IRAN.
IRAN IS SHIITE.
THEY HATE SAUDI ARABIA.
SO AMERICA WORKS WITH BOTH OF THEM.
AMERICA WORKS WITH ISRAEL.
HAMAS IS ISRAEL'S ENEMY.
HAMAS IS TOTALLY SUPPORTED BY CUTTER.
AND CUTTER IS WHERE AMERICA HAS ITS MAIN MIDDLE EASTERN BASE,
THE ALBU BAID BASE,
AND IT ALSO SUPPORTS CENTCOM OUT OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
THROUGH CUTTER.
SO AMERICA SUPPORTS THE BIGGEST SUPPORTER OF HAMAS
AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM THROUGH CUTTER.
AND YET, AMERICA SUPPORTS ISRAEL, TOO.
WHICH BRINGS YOU TO JAMES CHAPTER 3 WHERE JAMES SAYS,
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SWEET AND BITTER WATERS
OR SWEET AND BITTER FRUIT COMING FROM THE SAME TREE.
BUT THE REASON THAT PASSAGE IS IN THE BIBLE IS BECAUSE,
UNFORTUNATELY THIS HAPPENS A LOT IN LIFE.
WE HAVE ONE MOUTH AND SOMETIMES IT CURSES
AND SOMETIMES IT BLESSES.
AND THAT HAPPENS WITH COUNTRIES, AS WELL.
JONATHAN: OKAY.
SO I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ATTACK
JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR TIME AND TRYING TO GET THROUGH
ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH TO COVER,
EVEN THOUGH I WANTED TO GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS ATTACK TAKES PLACE, OKAY.
THE U.S., JORDAN, MAYBE THE BRITISH,
ISRAEL THWARTED TO A 99% SUCCESS RATE,
WHICH TO THE WORLD'S EYES LOOKS LIKE A MIRACLE,
ALTHOUGH WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS POWERS THAT BE
THAT MADE IT ALL HAPPEN THAT WAY.
THEN ISRAEL STRIKES BACK.
SO THERE'S THIS DANCE HAPPENING WHERE THEY'RE SAYING,
LOOK, YOU CAN DO THIS AND WE CAN DO THIS AND THAT.
SO NOW THE NEXT MOVE THAT, IN YOUR OPINION,
THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE WOULD BE A MOVE FROM IRAN
OR, IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT COMES NEXT?
AVNER: YOU'RE ASKING GREAT QUESTIONS,
AND THEY ALL TAKE A LONG TIME,
BUT THE SHORT ANSWER: IF SOMEBODY SENDS 350 MISSLES
AT YOU, RIGHT, AND 20 OF THEM GET THROUGH
AND SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
YOU DON'T NEED TO RESPOND.
MIDDLE EAST IS A JUNGLE.
AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PREPARED TO SHOW THAT
YOU CAN'T MESS WITH THEM, THEY GET MESSED WITH.
IT'S LIKE A JUNKYARD DOG.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, IRAN TOTALLY ATTACKED
ISRAEL'S DETERRENCE, AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
SO THIS IS REAL BIG.
AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, IF ISRAEL DOESN'T RESPOND,
THEN THEY'RE CONSIDERED BY ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES WIMPS.
AND IF AMERICA DOESN'T LET ISRAEL RESPOND,
THEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WHEN WE'RE IN TROUBLE,
WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DEPEND ON AMERICA.
SO THAT'S SOME OF THE CONTEXT HERE.
SO WHAT ISRAEL --
JONATHAN: OH, GO AHEAD.
AVNER: -- SO WHAT ISRAEL DID IS ISRAEL,
BECAUSE OF STRONG AMERICAN PRESSURE, SAID, OKAY,
WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SMALL FOR RIGHT NOW.
IT'S PLAN ONE, STEP ONE.
BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER STEPS, I'M SURE.
AND ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE AND DIPLOMATS DON'T TELL ME
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO JUST LIKE THEY DON'T
TELL THE AMERICANS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
AND SO I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER THINGS HERE.
WE'RE DEALING WITH A WAR.
AND ACCORDING TO THE ISLAMIC UNDERSTANDING
YOU HAVE AT THE END OF TIMES, YOU HAVE THE ANTICHRIST,
THE ISLAMIC ANTICHRIST CALLED AL-DAJJAL.
AND YOU HAVE LAMECH, HE WHO IS LIKE A MESSIAH WHO COMES
AND RESCUES.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO DESTROY THE FORCES OF ALL THOSE
WHO DON'T ACCEPT ISLAM AND EVEN THE TREES
AND THE STONES ARE GOING TO HELP FIGHT AGAINST THE JEWS.
AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BECOME MUSLIM.
AND EITHER AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD OR THROUGH BEING KILLED
OR THROUGH WILLINGLY ACCEPTING ISLAM.
THAT'S THEIR END GAME.
AND THEY DON'T HIDE IT.
THIS IS WHY THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF HAMAS,
JUST READ HAMAS' COVENANT.
TYPE IN "HAMAS COVENANT".
GO TO GOOGLE, AND READ WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
THAT'S WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE ZEALOUS
THAN THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTIONARIES
WHO TOOK OVER RUSSIA.
THEY'RE MORE ZEALOUS THAN THE NAZIS WHO TOOK OVER GERMANY.
JONATHAN: THAT'S SCARY.
HONESTLY IT IS SCARY.
THINK ABOUT THE TIMES THAT WE'RE LIVING IN
WHERE THIS IS SUCH A REGIME THAT HAS SO MUCH POWER,
SO MUCH INFLUENCE THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH
THE WORLD SUPER POWER, AMERICA, TO THEN ATTACK ISRAEL.
JUST TO PUT ON THE BIBLICAL PROPHETIC GLASSES FOR A SECOND,
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR AMERICA?
AS WE'VE SHIFTED MORE AND MORE TOWARDS THIS PLACE OF
PLAYING BOTH SIDES AND NOT TAKING THE STAND,
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FROM A BIBLE STANDPOINT.
AS BELIEVERS IN JESUS, AS BELIEVERS IN YAHWEH,
AS BELIEVERS IN GOD, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR US AS A NATION
DOING THIS AND PLAYING WITH THIS
AS IF IT'S A HOUSE OF CARDS?
AVNER: SURE.
BOY, THESE ARE SUCH GREAT QUESTIONS.
I'M REALLY LIMITED IN MY ABILITY TO ANSWER THEM QUICKLY.
BUT QUICKLY, I WOULD SAY THIS: FIRST OF ALL,
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
LIKE AMERICA IN TERMS OF HAVING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THERE
WHO ARE BELIEVERS WHO LOVE ISRAEL.
THIS IS AN UNUSUAL THING IN HISTORY.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF BELIEVERS IN AMERICA WHO LOVE ISRAEL.
BUT AS WE CAN SEE FROM THE TOP IVY LEAGUE CAMPUSES
ALL OVER AMERICA, IT HASN'T MANAGED TO FILTER THROUGH
TO A LOT OF AMERICANS.
AND AS IS GREATER PRESSURE,
THIS IS GOING TO BE A STRATEGIC POINT FOR SATAN
TO BE TURNING AMERICA AGAINST ISRAEL BECAUSE OF GENESIS 12
AND CURSING THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
THOSE WHO CURSE THE JEWISH PEOPLE WILL BE CURSED.
SO AMERICA BLESSES ISRAEL GREATLY.
WHERE I LIVE, I HEARD THE TRANSPORT PLANES COMING IN
AT THE BEGINNING AFTER OCTOBER 7th,
BRINGING IN ALL THIS BUNKER BUSTER STUFF
AND ALL THE IRON DOME MISSILES AND STUFF.
ISRAELIS ARE EXTREMELY THANKFUL FOR THAT.
AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHO ARE PRAYING
FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE THING.
THE SECOND THING IS, IT SAYS IN JOEL AND IN ZACHARIAH,
ALL OF THE NATIONS ARE GOING TO COME AGAINST ISRAEL.
NOT THAT ALL THE NATIONS EXCEPT CHINA, AMERICA, AND MEXICO.
AND SO WE HAVE A SITUATION WHICH IS MOVING IN A DIRECTION.
I WOULD ADD EZEKIEL 38 SAYS THAT PERSIA, OR IRAN,
IS GOING TO BE AROUND AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF
THE INVADING ARMIES IN EZEKIEL 38.
SO THERE IS A FUTURE HERE, NEGATIVELY FOR PERSIA
YET TO BE PLAYED OUT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING OFF THE SCENE.
AND SO IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE AS BELIEVERS
TO LIFT THESE ISSUES UP, TO PRAY FOR OUR LEADERSHIP IN AMERICA,
TO PRAY FOR THE COUNTRY OF ISRAEL FOR THE LEADERSHIP THERE
TO REALLY GET GOD'S HEART AND STRATEGIES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT GOD,
HE LOOKS TO SEE WHAT EACH PERSON IS DOING
AND HE VALUES THE INDIVIDUAL DECISION.
SO SOMEBODY LIKE CORRIE TEN BOOM'S FAMILY IN HARLEM
AND IN AMSTERDAM AND HOLLAND,
THEY PRAYED FOR A HUNDRED YEARS FOR ISRAEL IN THAT HOUSE
BEFORE THE NAZIS MARCHED IN.
REBECCA: WOW.
AVNER: SO I THINK PEOPLE TO PRAY FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
TO REACH OUT TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
AFTER ALL, HE'S THE JEWISH MESSIAH.
SO HOW CAN WE KEEP IT JUST TO GENTILES
IF IT'S FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE, TOO?
SO I THINK BEING PROACTIVE IN TERMS OF INTERCESSION,
IN TERMS OF SHARING THE GOOD NEWS,
IN TERMS OF STANDING UP TO BE COUNTED
WHEN THERE'S ANTISEMITISM.
AND THAT'S NO LONGER AN ABSTRACT ISSUE.
THIS IS HAPPENING AT A THEATER CLOSE TO YOU.
IT'S HAPPENING AT THE UNIVERSITY IN AUSTIN.
USC AND VANDERBILT AND HARVARD AND COLUMBIA AND U OF PENN.
IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.
NEXT DOOR.
AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO STAND UP FOR THAT?
HOW ARE WE GOING TO SUPPORT THE POLITICIANS
WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAND FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS
IN THESE AREAS?
JONATHAN: I LOVE IT.
I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO WRAP IT RIGHT HERE.
I WANT TO ADD A COUPLE PRAYER POINTS TO WHAT AVNER JUST SAID,
AND THAT'S TO PRAY FOR THE 129 HOSTAGES
THAT ARE STILL IN GAZA.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE NOW, AVNER,
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN?
OCTOBER 7th, SO IT'S LIKE...
AVNER: IT'S BEEN OVER 200 DAYS RIGHT NOW.
JONATHAN: OVER 200 DAYS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME CHILDREN, ELDERLY PEOPLE.
SO WE HAVE TO PRAY FOR THE RELEASE OF THESE HOSTAGES
AND PRAY THAT THE LORD GUIDES THE PEOPLE
AND THE POWERS THAT BE AND THE STRATEGIES THAT BE
AND GIVES THEM WISDOM,
SPECIFICALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL, THE LEADERS IN ISRAEL,
BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SUCH A HEIGHTENED SENSE ALL AROUND.
ISRAEL IS IN WAR.
AND SO HOPEFULLY, I DON'T WANT TO HIJACK
THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST CHANNEL,
BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'LL LET US COME BACK AND DO THIS AGAIN,
BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AVNER,
AND CONTINUE TO DO THIS AS ANOTHER PART.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE LET AVNER GO?
HE'S IN ISRAEL, SO OF COURSE IT'S LATE THERE,
WE'RE TRYING TO GET HIM BACK TO BED AND WITH HIS FAMILY.
AVNER: HEY, IT'S ONLY 10:12 IN THE EVENING,
IT'S NOT SO BAD.
JONATHAN: OKAY, GOOD.
[ LAUGHING ]
REBECCA: I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I THINK COULD BE ASKED.
IT'S THIS: I THINK, BECAUSE YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT
AMERICA AS A WHOLE, AMERICA AS A NATION.
HOW SHOULD BELIEVERS AS A WHOLE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST,
WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
BECAUSE I THINK, AND I THINK AVNER ANSWERED THIS,
BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO HIT ON IS,
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF
DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS OF SCRIPTURE.
I THINK CHRISTIANS FEEL PRESSURE
BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE ARE TOLD GOD LOVES ALL PEOPLE.
AND SO I THINK CHRISTIANS ARE TRYING TO FIND THEIR FOOTING
IN ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE IT IS COMPLICATED,
BUT WE WANT TO STAND WITH WHAT GOD STANDS WITH.
WE WANT TO PLEASE THE HEART OF GOD.
SO HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
AVNER: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED
WHICH IS NOT A GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT,
FOR INSTANCE, IS HITLER GOOD AND IS AMERICA BAD?
THAT WOULD BE ONE QUESTION THAT MOST OF US WOULD SAY,
NO, NO, THAT'S THE WRONG QUESTION.
HITLER'S BAD AND AMERICA IS GOOD.
AND THAT'S WHAT WORLD WAR II IS ABOUT.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OSAMA BIN LADEN, WE WOULD SAY,
IS OSAMA BIN LADEN GOOD AND THE SEAL TEAM SIX BAD?
WE WOULD SAY, NO, THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR.
NOW, OF COURSE, THERE ARE THOSE WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT,
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE
WHO WOULD BE PATRIOTIC AMERICANS.
SO I THINK BIBLICALLY, I START VERY SIMPLY WITH
ROMANS 11:28-29 WHEN IT SAYS,
THE GIFTS AND THE CALLING OF GOD ON THE JEWISH PEOPLE
ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE, KING JAMES,
ARE IRREVOCABLE, NEW AMERICAN STANDARD.
SO THAT MEANS GOD'S CALLING REGARDING THE LAND
AND THE CALLING OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THE BLESSING
THROUGH THEM.
THAT'S NOT A MATTER OF A DIFFERENT NARRATIVE.
THAT'S A BIBLICAL FOUNDATION.
SO I WOULD START THERE.
AND IF IT IS TRUE, THEN WHAT ABOUT ROMANS 9:3-5,
WHICH DESCRIBES THE SEVEN GIFTS GIVEN TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE
WHICH ARE STILL HERE TODAY?
SO, AND THEN GENESIS 12, IF WE BLESS THE JEWS, WE'RE BLESSED.
AND IF WE DISS THEM, WE'RE GOING TO BE CURSED.
SO I THINK THOSE THREE THINGS,
IS THE CALLING THERE?
DID GOD, ACCORDING TO EZEKIEL 37,
BRING THE JEWISH PEOPLE BACK TO THE LAND
WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT?
SEE, THIS IS GOD.
HE SAYS, I AM BRINGING YOU BACK,
AND YOU WON'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING,
DO JEWS NEED TO BE BELIEVERS IN ORDER FOR GOD TO USE THEM?
AND THE ANSWER IS, NO, THAT'S HOW WE GOT SAVED.
GOD SAVED US, AND WE, GRACE IS AN UNMERITED FAVOR,
AND THAT'S GOD'S HEART TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT GRACE IS
AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT GOD HAS A HEART OF GRACE
TOWARD THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
HOW IT'S THROUGH THE GOSPEL, YES,
IT'S THROUGH THE JEWISH MESSIAH, YES.
BUT THOSE ARE THE FOUNDATIONAL THINGS.
AND AGAIN, IF WE'RE NOT TALKING WITH BELIEVERS,
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION,
IT'S HISTORY AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
BUT BIBLICALLY, THERE IS A FOUNDATION, I THINK.
JONATHAN: HOW LARGE IS THE SAUDI ARABIAN ARMY?
MILITARY, WHAT'S THEIR ABILITY COMPARED TO IRAN?
ARE THEY LIKE APPLES TO APPLES?
AVNER: THEY'RE SMALLER, MUCH SMALLER.
THEIR WEAPONS ARE BETTER.
IRAN IS STILL USING PHANTOMS AND F-4'S
FROM THE TIME WHEN IRAN HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH AMERICA.
THEY TRIED TO BUY NEW PLANES FROM RUSSIA,
THE SUKHOI SU-30S, BUT NO.
IRAN HAS DONE -- THEY'RE VERY SMART.
THEY WORK VERY WELL.
THEY'RE VERY SLY.
THEY'RE VERY CUNNING.
SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY SELLING DRONES TO RUSSIA
TO USE AGAINST UKRAINE.
JONATHAN: WOW.
FASCINATING.
AVNER: THEY'RE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR STUFF
THAT IRAQ WAS NOT ABLE TO GET TO.
SO THEY'RE NO SLOUCHES.
JONATHAN: HOW CLOSE ARE THEY TO HAVING A NUCLEAR WEAPON IN IRAN,
OR DO THEY HAVE ONE?
REBECCA: OH, I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY HAD ONE.
JONATHAN: WELL, IT'S UP IN THE AIR
UNLESS AVNER WAS GOING TO WAIT --
AVNER: THERE'S THREE THINGS.
ONE, YOU CAN BUY ONE.
JONATHAN: RIGHT.
FROM NORTH KOREA, RIGHT?
AVNER: NORTH KOREA AND PAKISTAN HAVE WEAPONS
THAT THEY CAN BUY IF THEY NEEDED TO.
BUT THEY'RE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
LISTEN.
ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,
THEY'RE SITTING ON A DESK, AND YOU JUST PUT THEM TOGETHER.
IT'S MISSING THE ONE PIECE THAT MAKES IT FUNCTIONAL.
SO THEN YOU'RE NOT LYING.
AS ABRAHAM SAID, SHE'S ALSO MY SISTER,
AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE CONNECTION WITH THIS.
SO IRAN IS LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF IT.
JONATHAN: AND THAT KNOCKOUT,
THAT ATTACK THAT ISRAEL DID ON THE OUTSKIRTS
OF THEIR ENVIRONMENT, DID THAT, IT JUST WARNED THEM.
IT DIDN'T STOP THEM OR SLOW THEM IN ANY WAY.
REBECCA: BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO SEND MESSAGES TO EACH OTHER.
JONATHAN: BUT IT'S LIKE A DANCE.
THEY'RE LIKE IT'S LIKE A DANCE AND LIKE --
REBECCA: I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF THE ANALOGY IN THE INTERVIEW,
BUT IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT, YEAH,
THEY'RE SENDING MESSAGES MORE THAN TRYING TO DO DAMAGE.
AVNER: ISRAEL SMUGGLED THE ARCHIVES OUT,
WHICH SHOWED HOW IRAN WAS LYING TO AMERICA AND THE U.N.
ISRAEL ARRANGED WITH AMERICA TO DO SOMETHING CALLED STUXNET
WHICH CAUSED ALL THE CENTRIFUGUES TO GET DAMAGED.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA HAS BEEN TRYING TO DELAY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN GIVEN
BY PRESIDENT OBAMA,
AND TEN BILLION JUST RECENTLY BY PRESIDENT BIDEN.
REBECCA: MONEY WE DON'T EVEN HAVE.
I'M LIKE, IT'S CRAZY.
AVNER: IT'S HARD.
WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE DANCING AT TWO WEDDINGS.
THEY SAY IN YIDDISH, IT'S HARD TO DANCE AT TWO WEDDINGS
WITH ONE TOKHES.
[ LAUGHING ]
JONATHAN: IS IT TRUE THAT WHEN THEY FIRE THIS 300 --
CALLING IT 300, ROUNDING THE NUMBERS --
IT DEPLETED THEIR ARSENAL BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION OR...
OKAY.
AVNER: NO, NO.
JONATHAN: BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
AVNER: IT'S, NO.
AVNER: THERE'S LOTS MORE WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.
JONATHAN: YEAH, YEAH.
ALL RIGHT.
SORRY, HONEY, GO, ASK YOUR...
REBECCA: WELL, MY QUESTION IS,
SINCE OCTOBER 7th WAS PLANNED BY IRAN,
WHAT -- DO WE HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING
OF WHAT THEIR INTENTION BEHIND THAT ATTACK WAS?
AVNER: YEAH.
TWO INTENTIONS.
ONE, TO HUMILIATE YOUR ENEMY BEFORE YOU KILL HIM
IS CONSIDERED A VIRTUOUS WAY OF FIGHTING.
SECOND OF ALL, WHAT THEY DID THERE,
THEY WANT TO DO TO ALL OF ISRAEL.
THIS IS WHAT MOHAMMED DID IN THE HEJAZ
IN THE SAUDI ARABIAN PENINSULA TO THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DID AS THEY MOVED THROUGH EVERY COUNTRY.
AND NOW WE THINK OF IT AS, OH,
THE ARABS LOVED MATHEMATICS AND THEY HAD BEAUTIFUL,
GEOMETRIC PATTERNS.
YEAH, BUT THEY MURDERED PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T BOW THE KNEE.
SO IN COMMUNISM, THEY STARVED PEOPLE
AND THEY SENT PEOPLE TO CAMPS.
IN ISLAM, THEY CUT YOUR HEAD OFF.
SO YEAH.
REBECCA: SO EVEN THOUGH -- SO THEY SENT THAT ATTACK,
AND NOW THEY'VE DONE THAT WHERE THEY'RE SENDING A MESSAGE.
BUT IF YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GEAR UP
FOR SOMETHING BIGGER IN THE FUTURE THEN?
AVNER: OH, FOR SURE.
THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS FOR YEARS.
RIGHT NOW IN LEBANON, YOU HAVE 150,000 ROCKETS,
20,000 OF THEM HAVE GPS CONTROLS ON THEM.
THAT MEANS THEY CAN HIT ANYWHERE IN ISRAEL WITHIN FIVE FEET.
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.
JONATHAN: WOULD THE IRON DOME BE...?
AVNER: NO, IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING, IT'S TOO MUCH.
JONATHAN: OH, GOSH.
AVNER: AND SO THAT STARTED AFTER THE WAR IN 2006.
MY SONS WERE IN THAT WAR.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS, AMERICA HELPED DO A PEACE TREATY
BETWEEN LEBANON AND ISRAEL.
AND NOW HEZBOLLAH, WHICH IS ARMED BY IRAN,
IS TEN TIMES MORE POWERFUL.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IF THERE'S A WAR WITH ISRAEL,
WITHIN THE FIRST FEW DAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
3-5,000 ISRAELIS DYING EVERY DAY UNTIL BEIRUT IS TAKEN OUT;
THE WATER, THE ELECTRICITY, THE AIRPORTS.
AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FLEE UP TO SYRIA
AND TURKEY.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S PLANNING,
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO.
THEY HAD HOPED TO HAVE FIVE NATIONS ATTACK ISRAEL
SIMULTANEOUSLY: HAMAS, LEBANON, SYRIA, IRAQ,
IRAN, AND THE HOUTHIS.
THAT'S SIX OF THEM.
THEY'RE PLANNING TO TAKE OVER --
REBECCA: AND THEY'RE ALL THE SAME,
THEY'RE NOT SUNNI MUSLIM?
LIKE WHAT UNITES ALL OF THEM?
JONATHAN: SOME OF THEM ARE SUNNI,
SOME OF THEM ARE SHIITE, BUT ALL OF THEM HATE THE JEWS.
[ LAUGHING ]
REBECCA: SO THAT'S THEIR UNITING FACTOR.
JONATHAN: YEAH, YEAH.
GET IN LINE, YEAH.
AVNER: THEY SAY IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY CAN ALSO BE MY ENEMY.
[ LAUGHING ]
JONATHAN: WHY CAN'T ISRAEL JUST PREEMPTIVELY
SEND HEZBOLLAH TO HELL?
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST DEMOLISH THEM?
WHY CAN'T THEY JUST WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH
RIGHT NOW?
AVNER: SON, HAVE YOU STUDIED CHURCHILL
AND WHAT HE HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH THE V-2 ROCKETS AND LONDON?
THEY BROKE THE BRITISH, THE GERMAN ENIGMA MACHINE,
THE ULTRA MACHINE, WHICH WAS THE CODE MACHINE.
THEY FOUND A MACHINE IN POLAND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO
HAVE BEEN DESTROYED, AND THEY BROUGHT IT TO ENGLAND.
THEY WERE ABLE TO CRACK THE NAZI HIGH COMMAND CODE.
THEY KNEW WHERE EVERY ATTACK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND THEY SAID, IF WE MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE WAY
LIKE IN COVENTRY OR LONDON, THEN THE NAZIS ARE GOING TO KNOW
WE BROKE THEIR MACHINE.
WE CRACKED THEIR CODE.
AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THEY'LL CHANGE THEIR CODE.
BUT IF WE KEEP THE CODE SECRET,
THEY WILL STILL BE OPEN ON THAT CODE MACHINE.
AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE THEN TO WIN THE WAR
FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THEY MADE A DECISION WHICH ALLOWED FOR
BRITISH PEOPLE TO BE KILLED BY NAZI BOMBS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE DECISIONS LEADERSHIP HAD TO MAKE
IN A WAR SITUATION.
VERY HARD SITUATION TO BE IN.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH STUFF LIKE THAT,
FOR ISRAEL, DO WE WANT TO HAVE
5,000 PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY FOR THREE DAYS?
WHO WANTS TO MAKE SUCH A DECISION?
JONATHAN: RIGHT.
SO THEY COULD AVOID THAT DECISION BY LEVELING THEM NOW?
AVNER: WELL, NO, BUT IT STILL WOULD HAPPEN, YOU SEE.
IT WOULD BE THREE DAYS, AND BEIRUT WOULD BE DESTROYED.
JONATHAN: OH, OKAY.
SO OKAY.
SO IN MY MIND, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS,
THEY CAN'T -- IT WOULD TAKE MANY DAYS.
AVNER: WHEN AMERICA SIGNED 1701 BETWEEN HEZBOLLAH AND ISRAEL,
AMERICA DIDN'T ENFORCE 1701,
WHICH WOULD HAVE MEANT THAT THE MILITARIZED ZONE
GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE LITANI RIVER.
WHEN AMERICA SIGNED THE ROGERS AGREEMENT FOR ISRAEL IN '56,
ISRAEL WITHDREW FROM THE SINAI
ON THE CONDITION THAT IF EGYPT CLOSED THE STRAITS OF TEHERAN,
THEN AMERICA WOULD SEND BATTLESHIPS THROUGH
TO BREAK THROUGH THE EGYPTIAN SIEGE.
WELL, EGYPT DID THAT IN '67,
AND LBJ WAS HAVING DOMESTIC PROBLEMS AT HOME.
SOUNDS FAMILIAR, THIS HAVING PROBLEMS.
AND HE SAID TO ABBA EBAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
HE SAID, LISTEN, WE TOLD YOU YOU CAN'T DO A PREEMPTIVE ATTACK,
BUT WE CAN'T FULFILL OUR PROMISES TO YOU.
SO IF YOU DO A PREEMPTIVE ATTACK AND DON'T TELL US,
WE'LL LET YOU DO IT.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS AMERICA ENDED UP MAKING AGREEMENTS
THAT WERE NOT KEPT BACK IN '67 AND SINCE 2006.
MANY GOOD THINGS AMERICA IS DOING.
BUT THEY NEED THE LORD.
[ LAUGHING ]
JONATHAN: DO YOU THINK THAT ISRAEL WILL TAKE BACK GAZA
WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH RAPHA AND THEY HAVE THE HOSTAGES BACK,
WHOEVER GOD, BLESS THEM --
AVNER: I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE TRACKING BIBLICALLY IN ISRAEL
ON THAT ISSUE.
JOSH 115 SAYS THAT'S OUR TERRITORY,
IT'S THE TERRITORY OF JUDAH.
EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE OURS.
BUT THERE'S SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THESE ISSUES,
AND MOST ISRAELIS JUST WANT TO BE LIVING A QUIET LIFE.
SO THE THING IS, WE CAN'T STOP WORLD WAR II
BEFORE GETTING TO BERLIN.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
WANT TO SEE US WEAKENED AND CRIPPLED.
JONATHAN: LISTEN, WE COULD TALK FOR 15 MORE HOURS
AND JUST BE GETTING TO THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO'S WATCHING THIS OR LISTENING
TO THIS, GO TO DAVIDSTENT.ORG,
SIGN UP FOR AVNER'S NEWSLETTERS.
YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT.
REBECCA AND I DON'T READ A TON OF THINGS TOGETHER,
BUT WHEN WE DO READ SOMETHING,
IT'S OFTEN VERY IMPORTANT, IT'S SCRIPTURE, AVNER'S NEWSLETTERS
REBECCA: THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE.
[ LAUGHING ]
JONATHAN: SO WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY INFORMED.
WE ARE IN VERY FASCINATING TIMES.
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE, WHAT A TIME TO BE STANDING
ON THE WORD OF GOD, TO BE STANDING WITH ISRAEL,
TO BE BELIEVING FOR THE THINGS OF THE LORD TO COME ABOUT
IN OUR LIFETIME.
OF COURSE, AVNER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CARVING OUT TIME
TO BE WITH US.
I HOPE WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE YOU BACK SOON.
CONTINUE TO GIVE US UPDATES BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT
THAT WE COVER THE REALITY OF THE MIDDLE EAST,
THE REALITY OF ISRAEL,
AND YOU'RE A GREAT VOICE FOR THAT,
SO WE SO APPRECIATE YOU.
AVNER: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU BOTH.
WE HAVE SUCH SWEET MEMORIES OF SEEING YOU LAST TIME
WHEN YOU WERE IN TEXAS.
JONATHAN: GOOD.
WELL, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE YOU HERE SOON
OR WE WILL BE IN ISRAEL AND VISITING YOU IN PERSON SOON.
REBECCA: YEAH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
[ LAUGHING ]