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REBECCA LAMB WEISS:
HEY, GUYS.

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WELCOME BACK TO
<i>THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST</i> .

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I'M VERY EXCITED TODAY
BECAUSE WE HAVE

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THE FOUNDER AND PASTOR
OF UPPERROOM.

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MICHAEL MILLER IS HERE.


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MICHAEL MILLER:
WHAT'S UP?

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REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS,


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I'M REALLY -- WE WERE
HAVING A LITTLE

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PRE-CONVERSATION TO
THE INTERVIEW,

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AND I'M ALREADY REALLY
EXCITED TO DO THIS INTERVIEW,

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SO THANK YOU
FOR BEING HERE.

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MICHAEL: YES. SUCH AN
HONOR TO BE HERE.

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REBECCA: AND I JUST
WANT TO PLUG IT FROM THE TOP

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BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO
BE TALKING ABOUT THIS A LOT.

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THIS IS YOUR NEW BOOK,


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<i>HIS HOUSE, HIS PRESENCE</i> .


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I LOVE THIS COVER.


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MICHAEL: IT'S PRETTY SWEET.


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ONE OF OUR ARTISTS DID
IT IN OUR COMMUNITY,

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AND IT WAS A PAINTING.


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AND SO WE JUST TOOK
THAT PAINTING

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AND PUT IT
ON THE COVER.

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REBECCA: I LOVE IT.


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THAT'S SO COOL.


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MICHAEL: PRETTY COOL, YEAH.


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REBECCA: SUCH AN
INCREDIBLE CHURCH,

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FULL OF SO MANY
AMAZING THINGS,

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CREATIVES AND ALL THAT.


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SO MUCH GOOD STUFF
COMING OUT OF IT.

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WE'RE GOING TO BE
TALKING ABOUT YOUR STORY

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AND THE STORY OF
UPPERROOM.

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SO LET'S START WITH YOU.


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TELL US ABOUT
YOUR UPBRINGING.

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MICHAEL: MY UPBRINGING.


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WELL, I'M A DALLAS KID,


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SO I WAS BORN AND RAISED
HERE IN NORTH DALLAS.

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WAS A PART OF
THE CHURCHES OF CHRIST.

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SO MY PARENTS' PARENTS
WERE ALL CHURCH OF CHRIST.

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I'M A THIRD GENERATION
CHURCH OF CHRIST BOY.

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REBECCA: WOW.


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MICHAEL: AND ALL I REMEMBER
WAS GOING TO CHURCH

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SUNDAY MORNING, SUNDAY NIGHT,


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WEDNESDAY NIGHT.


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IF THE CHURCH DOORS
WERE OPEN,

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THE MILLERS WERE THERE.


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SO THAT WAS KIND
OF A FAMILY MOTTO.

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WE WERE CHURCH PEOPLE.


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I GREW UP WITH A HIGH
VALUE FOR THE CHURCH,

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A HIGH VALUE FOR
SCRIPTURE, COMMUNITY.

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I LOVED THE LOCAL CHURCH.


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SO I'M A PRODUCT OF
THE CHURCHES OF CHRIST.

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AND I LOVE MY TRADITION,
I LOVED MY UPBRINGING,

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AND JUST THE VALUES
THEY PUT IN ME.

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SO IT'S FAIRLY
CONSERVATIVE.

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I'VE BEEN ON A JOURNEY TO
BE WHERE I'M AT TODAY,

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BUT I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR
MY FAMILY AND MY ROOTS.

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REBECCA: YEAH.


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YOU'RE THANKFUL FOR THE
FOUNDATION IT PROVIDED.

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MICHAEL: FOR REAL.


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REBECCA: AND FOR
PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW,

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BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE
DRIFTING NOW SO FAR

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FROM THE DENOMINATIONS,


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LIKE THEY WERE
SO MUCH A THING

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PROBABLY FIFTY YEARS AGO,
BUT NOW I FEEL LIKE

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MAYBE PEOPLE YOUNGER
DON'T EVEN KNOW

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WHAT CHURCH OF CHRIST IS.


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SO MAYBE INFORM
A LITTLE BIT ON

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WHAT THAT
DENOMINATION WAS LIKE.

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MICHAEL: YEAH.


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THEY WERE PROBABLY
MOST KNOWN FOR

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A CAPPELLA MUSIC.


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THEY DIDN'T HAVE
INSTRUMENTS.

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THEY COME OUT OF
THE CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT.

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IT WAS A REVIVAL
IN KENTUCKY.

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THE CAMBRIDGE REVIVAL
IS WHAT LAUNCHED

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THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND
CHURCHES OF CHRIST.

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AND I DON'T KNOW WHY
THEY SEPARATED,

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BUT MANY, MANY DECADES AGO,
THEY SEPARATED,

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BUT THE DISTINCTION OF
THE CHURCH OF CHRIST

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IS A CAPELLA MUSIC,
BUT HIGH VALUE FOR THE WORD,

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HIGH VALUE FOR
WATER BAPTISM.

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WATER BAPTISM IS A
SIGNIFICANT REVELATION.

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THEY HAVE COMMUNION
EVERY SUNDAY.

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SO I JUST GREW UP
IN THAT TRIBE

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AND WENT TO A CHURCH
OF CHRIST COLLEGE,

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WENT TO ABILENE CHRISTIAN


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AND WENT THERE TO
PLAY BASEBALL.

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BUT JUST REALLY GRATEFUL


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FOR THE EXPOSURE AND
THE ROOTS THAT I DEVELOPED

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IN THAT UPBRINGING.


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REBECCA: AND SO WHEN YOU ARE
A SENIOR IN COLLEGE,

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YOU HAVE
AN ENCOUNTER?

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MICHAEL: YEAH.


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REBECCA:
TALK ABOUT THAT.

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MICHAEL: I WAS
AROUND GOD A LOT.

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I PRAYED THE PRAYER.


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I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD LIKE
A MOMENT IN TIME

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MICHAEL: I FEEL LIKE
IT WAS A NUMBER OF TIMES.

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REBECCA: ME TOO.


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MICHAEL: BUT I
REMEMBER MY SENIOR YEAR,

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BEFORE MY SENIOR YEAR,
I WAS TAKING MAYMESTER,

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AN ECONOMIC COURSE FOR
LIKE THE SECOND TIME.

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[ LAUGHING ]


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I WAS A
STRUGGLING STUDENT.

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REBECCA: I
RELATE TO THAT.

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MICHAEL: BUT I WAS LIVING BY
MYSELF FOR THE FIRST TIME,

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AND THE ACHE INSIDE OF
ME WAS JUST EXPOSED.

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AND I KNOW NOW IT WAS
THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME IN.

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I FELT LIKE I HEARD
MY NAME AUDIBLY.

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I KNEW WHAT GOD
WAS ASKING OF ME

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AND I'D HAD THOSE
MOMENTS BEFORE,

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AND I WAS JUST
SO SCARED TO SIGN UP.

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BECAUSE OF MY LIFE,


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I WAS PRESENT IN
MY FRATERNITY

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AND JUST, I KNEW WHAT
GOD WAS ASKING OF ME.

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SO I SAID, LORD, I'LL
GIVE YOU TOMORROW.

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THAT'S ALL I
KNEW I COULD SAY.

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I'LL GIVE YOU TOMORROW.


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AND ONE DAY TURNED INTO
TWO, A WEEK, A MONTH.

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I GOT SOME MOMENTUM
LEADING INTO

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THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR,


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AND I'M STILL
LIVING THAT TODAY.

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SO MY LIFE WAS
MARKED THAT NIGHT,

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AND I BEGAN A
RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS

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SOMETIME IN MY SENIOR YEAR.


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REBECCA:
THAT IS PROFOUND.

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MICHAEL: I'LL
GIVE YOU TOMORROW.

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REBECCA: YEAH.
AND I LOVE THAT

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BECAUSE HE WAS LOOKING FOR A
SURRENDER IN THAT MOMENT.

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AND HE WORKED WITH YOU.


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YOU WERE LIKE, I'LL
GIVE YOU TOMORROW,

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AND THEN YOU TAKE IT
ONE DAY AT A TIME,

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AND NOW YOU'RE LIVING OUT OF
COMPLETE AND TOTAL SURRENDER.

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YOUR LIFE IS A
BYPRODUCT OF THAT.

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MICHAEL: YEAH.


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IT'S BEEN - I MEAN,
ANYONE THAT KNEW ME

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FROM THAT MOMENT FORWARD,


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KNEW THERE WAS A DISTINCT
MARK THAT HAD HAPPENED,

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AND THAT I HAD
ENCOUNTERED THE LORD.

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SO HE STARTED MOVING
ON MY FRIEND GROUP

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THERE IN COLLEGE.


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AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE
ANYONE LISTENING

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THAT'S STRUGGLING WITH
FOLLOWING THE LORD

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TO SIMPLIFY IT


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AND TAKE IT DAY BY DAY,
TO SURRENDER DAILY.

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PICK UP YOUR CROSS DAILY.


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I THINK SOMETIMES WE CAN
GET OVERWHELMED

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WITH THE MAGNITUTDE OF,
WHAT AM I CALLED TO DO.

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REBECCA: ALL THE
DETAILS AND THE FUTURE.

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MICHAEL: YES.


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WHO IS IT WITH.


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AND JUST DAY BY DAY, THAT
DAILY BREAD WILL SUSTAIN PEOPLE.

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SO IT'S BEEN A
DAILY JOURNEY.

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I'M STILL WAKING UP TODAY,


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LORD, I'LL GIVE
YOU TOMORROW.

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BUT DEVELOPING THAT
HISTORY'S IMPORTANT.

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REBECCA: WHEN YOU HAD
THAT ENCOUNTER WITH GOD,

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HOW DID YOU KNOW HOW TO
HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM

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MOVING FORWARD?


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LIKE, WHAT THAT
LOOKED LIKE?

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MICHAEL: YEAH.


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I DIDN'T.


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[ LAUGHING ]


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I MEAN, I MAY HAVE HAD AN IDEA
OF WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE,

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BUT FOR ME, IT WAS
WAKING UP IN THE MORNING,

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SURRENDERING THE DAY.


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THANKSGIVING HAS
ALWAYS BEEN A MAJOR PART

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OF MY RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE LORD,

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JUST LEARNING TO
GIVE HIM THANKS.

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SO I REMEMBER IN THE
EARLY DAYS THANKING HIM,

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JOURNALING, AND READING
A CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE.

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IT STARTED OUT
JUST A CHAPTER.

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I'M GOING TO JUST TAKE
THIS IN SMALL BITES.

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AND SO ONE CHAPTER
AT A TIME.

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A LOT OF TIMES, I WOULD
REREAD THAT CHAPTER.

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BUT I JUST GOT IN SOME
SIMPLE RHYTHMS

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THAT SET ME UP THERE IN
THE EARLY DAYS.

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BUT I THINK
JUST DOING SOMETHING

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WAS BETTER THAN
DOING NOTHING.

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REBECCA: YEAH.


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MICHAEL: AND THAT'S
WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

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REBECCA: AND THEN IT
DEVELOPED FROM THERE

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WHEN YOU LEARNED
MORE AND MORE.

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MICHAEL: SURE.


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REBECCA: I ASK THAT BECAUSE
I WAS, SIMILAR TO YOU,

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I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO HAVE
A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD,

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AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S
SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC

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BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S
THE FOUNDATION OF OUR FAITH,

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BUT THEN
A LOT OF TIMES,

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THEY DON'T TEACH YOU THAT
IN THE CHURCH SOMETIMES.

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AND SO IT IS, BUT I LIKE
THAT YOU SAID SIMPLIFY,

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I LIKE THAT YOU SAY YOU JUST
START BY THANKSGIVING.

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THAT'S PRAISE.


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READING THE WORD.


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AND, OF COURSE, I KNOW GOD,


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BECAUSE YOUR CHURCH IS
ALL ABOUT PRAYER,

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SO HE BROUGHT YOU
INTO THAT DEEPER PLACE

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OF LIKE HAVING
A PRAYER LIFE

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AND ALL
THAT KIND OF STUFF.

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MICHAEL: FOR SURE.


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REBECCA: SO WHERE DID YOU GO
FROM SENIOR YEAR ENCOUNTER,

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FROM ON THERE?


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MICHAEL: YEAH, SURE.


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I WAS A BUSINESS MAJOR,


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SO I THOUGHT I WOULD
GO INTO THE MARKETPLACE.

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MY FAMILY IS MAINLY
BUSINESSMEN,

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AND SO MY DAD HAD
A COMPANY

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THAT I POTENTIALLY
WOULD HAVE TAKEN OVER,

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BUT IT WAS SO OBVIOUS
IN THE EARLY DAYS

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THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO SERVE
HIM IN THE CHURCH, YEAH.

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SO I ENDED UP TAKING A JOB
NOT FAR FROM HERE

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IN TROPHY CLUB, AT A SMALL
CHURCH OF CHRIST.

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IT WAS LESS THAN
A HUNDRED PEOPLE.

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WE DIDN'T HAVE A BUILDING.


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AND IT REALLY WAS THE BACK
FORTY SHEEP PASTURE FOR ME.

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YOU KNOW, DAVID DEVELOPED SUCH
A HISTORY WITH GOD

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IN THE SHEEP FIELD
WITH HIS HARP.

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THOSE WERE - THOSE
DAYS FOR ME.

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IT WAS OBSCURE, HIDDEN.


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AND JUST LEARNING
HOW REALLY TO DEAL WITH

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PERSONAL BATTLES,


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THINGS IN MY 20S
THAT I BROUGHT

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INTO MY JOURNEY WITH
THE LORD THAT I WAS

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REALLY BEING SANCTIFIED IN,


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AND I REALIZED,


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READING THE BOOK OF
NUMBERS IS INTERESTING.

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I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WANT
TO GO WITH THE PODCAST, BUT -

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REBECCA: GO
WHEREVER YOU WANT.

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MICHAEL: [ LAUGHING ]


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BUT IF YOU WERE 20,


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BECAUSE I BET A BIG
LARGE OF THIS AUDIENCE

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IS 20 YEARS OLD,
IN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC,

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BUT 20 AND UPWARD,


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IN THE BOOK OF NUMBERS,
YOU WERE ASSIGNED TO THE ARMY.

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SO A TWENTY-SOMETHING
WOULD HAVE BEEN A SOLDIER.

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THEY WOULD HAVE WOKEN UP
AND THOUGHT OF WAR,

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THOUGHT OF THEIR WEAPON.


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BUT I SAW SOMETHING IN THE
SCRIPTURES THAT

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THIRTY WAS A SEASON
OF ENTERING INTO

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THE CALLING IN MINISTRY.


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JOSEPH, EZEKIEL,
JOHN THE BAPTIST,

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JESUS, DAVID, SAUL,


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THERE'S ALL THESE MEN THAT
ENTERED INTO

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THEIR CALLING AT 30.


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AND I TELL 20-SOMETHINGS
ALL THE TIME

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THAT YOUR 20S ARE
A TIME OF WARFARE.

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THEY'RE LEARNING HOW TO
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH.

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JOHN, IN 1 JOHN 2,
HE ADMONISHES YOUNG MEN,

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YOU'VE OVERCOME
THE EVIL ONE.

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THERE'S SOMETHING
ABOUT US UNDERSTANDING

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HOW TO APPLY OUR FAITH TO
OUR LIFE TO OVERCOME.

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AND SO YOUR 20S
CAN BE BLOODY.

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THEY CAN BE - YOU'RE REALLY
UNDERSTANDING YOUR IDENTITY.

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YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING
HOW GOD DESIGNED YOU.

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MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW
HE DIDN'T DESIGN YOU.

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AND SO I WOULD JUST
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE

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THAT ARE STILL DISCOVERING
THEIR IDENTITY IN THEIR 20S,

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THAT IT'S OKAY, THAT THAT'S
WHAT YOUR 20S ARE FOR,

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IT'S LEARNING
HOW TO FIGHT,

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LEARNING HOW TO ESTABLISH
YOURSELF IN THE LORD.

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AND I THINK THERE'S
A GRACE THAT MEETS US

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IN OUR 30S, 40S, THAT HELPS US
WALK OUT THAT CALLING,

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BUT YOUR 20S A LOT OF
TIMES ARE JUST MARKED

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BY CLINGING SWORDS,
AND, YOU KNOW,

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BULLETS BUZZING BY YOU.


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AND THERE'S JUST
A LOT, I THINK,

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OF GRACE THEY NEED TO
HAVE FOR THEMSELVES.

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REBECCA: EXACTLY.


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THAT'S SO TRUE.


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I DON'T THINK -- I THINK
YOU NEED TO BE LEARNING,

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LIKE YOU SAID.


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YOU LEARN YOUR
ENTIRE LIVES,

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BUT THAT'S YOUR
PLACE, LIKE YOU SAID.

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WHEN YOU THINK OF DAVID
IN THE PASTURES,

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THAT'S WHERE HE LEARNED
TO FIGHT THE LION,

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FIGHT THE BEAR, IT WAS
WHERE HE WAS LIKE

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TAUGHT AND FORTIFIED
AND STRENGTHENED,

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AND YOU NEED THAT TO
GO INTO YOUR 30S

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AND ENTER THE CALL.


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IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE
RIGHT PREPARATION,

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YOU'RE GOING TO
GO INTO YOUR CALLING

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AND NOT BE ABLE
TO BE SUSTAINED.

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SO YOU'VE GOT TO LEARN,
YOU'VE GOT TO LEARN.

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AND I THINK PEOPLE GET TOO
FOCUSED ON HITTING THESE MARKS,

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AND IT'S LIKE, YOU
NEED TO LET GOD LEAD YOU,

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AND WHEN THE
TIMING IS RIGHT,

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HE'LL OPEN THAT
DOOR FOR YOU.

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BUT YOU DON'T -- I LOVE
THAT YOU SAID WARFARE,

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BECAUSE THAT IS A TIME OF
WARFARE AND TRIALS

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AND TRIBULATIONS,
AND TO BE,

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FOR THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE LISTENING,

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DON'T BE DISCOURAGED
BY THOSE THINGS.

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THEY'RE NOT BAD THINGS.


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THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU
CAN DRAW NEAR TO GOD IN

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AND HAVE AN INTIMACY
WITH HIM IN THE STORM,

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BUT THE STORMS ARE
GOING TO FORTIFY YOU,

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THEY'RE GOING
TO SANCTIFY YOU,

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THEY'RE GOING TO
REVEAL THINGS IN YOU

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AND SO THEY'RE NECESSARY
AND THEY'RE GOOD.

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SO DON'T RUN FROM THEM.


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BECAUSE I THINK A
GOOD PORTION OF MY 20S

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WAS JUST, I WANT TO
GET OUT OF THIS.

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[ LAUGHING ]


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AND THEN I
FINALLY LEARNED, OH,

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THERE'S A REASON TO THIS.


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MICHAEL: THERE'S
PURPOSE IN THAT.

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REBECCA: AND THERE'S A REASON
TO COMPLICATED PEOPLE

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IN YOUR LIFE,


00:10:22.966 --> 00:10:24.999
COMPLICATED SITUATIONS.


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AND JUST SUBMIT THOSE
THINGS TO THE LORD AND SAY,

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OKAY, GOD, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING
TO TEACH ME THROUGH THIS?

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SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
KEEP WALKING AROUND

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THAT SAME MOUNTAIN
OVER AND OVER AGAIN

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TRYING TO
LEARN THAT LESSON.

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IT'S LIKE, YOU WANT TO LEARN
THE LESSON WHILE YOU'RE YOUNG,

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AND I KEEP TRYING TO GO
AROUND IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

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SO YOU'RE IN TROPHY CLUB.


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WHAT GOES ON FROM THERE?


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MICHAEL: IT WAS
IN THAT SEASON,

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I BROUGHT SOME BROKENNESS


00:10:50.033 --> 00:10:52.000
INTO MY RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE LORD,

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SPECIFICALLY
SEXUAL BROKENNESS.

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THAT'S A BIG PART OF
MY TESTIMONY

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IS JUST GETTING HEALED


00:10:56.300 --> 00:10:58.100
IN THAT
AREA OF MY LIFE.

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BUT I GOT DESPERATE.


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I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND


00:11:04.866 --> 00:11:08.233
GOD'S GRACE AND FORGIVENESS


00:11:08.333 --> 00:11:10.366
FOR MYSELF.


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AND SO DEPRESSION AND
ANXIETY WERE SOME THINGS

00:11:12.800 --> 00:11:14.267
IN MY EARLY 20S


00:11:14.367 --> 00:11:16.733
THAT JUST
REALLY TOOK HOLD.

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AND I GOT
DESPERATE FOR GOD.

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I WAS IN SEMINARY, I
WAS -- ON THE OUTSIDE,

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EVERYTHING LOOKED RIGHT,
BUT ON THE INSIDE,

00:11:26.166 --> 00:11:27.466
THE LORD WAS
IDENTIFYING, HEY,

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I WANT TO
MEND UP THIS PART,

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I WANT TO HEAL THIS
BROKEN PART OF YOU.

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AND AN ELDER TOOK
ME TO A MEETING,

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FROM THIS CHURCH OF
CHRIST, TO A MEETING.

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IT WAS LIKE AN
UNDERGROUND PRAYER MEETING

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THAT WAS WITHIN THE STREAM
THAT I WAS IN,

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BUT IT WAS FILLED WITH
A LOT OF DISCLAIMERS,

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BUT HE KNEW I
WAS DESPERATE.

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AND IT WAS THERE THAT I
WENT INTO AN ENVIRONMENT

00:11:49.633 --> 00:11:52.033
AND SOMEONE PROPHESIED
OVER ME FOR THE FIRST TIME.

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THEY HAD A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE
ABOUT SOMETHING

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THAT HAPPENED WHEN
I WAS PROBABLY 13

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THAT REALLY MARKED MY LIFE


00:11:58.733 --> 00:12:01.666
AND BEGAN THAT
JOURNEY OF BROKENESS.

00:12:01.766 --> 00:12:03.900
AND I WAS CRYING.


00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.967
ALL I COULD SAY IN THAT
MEETING IS GOD'S REALLY HERE,

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GOD'S REALLY HERE,
GOD'S REALLY AMONG YOU.

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I KNEW THAT I
ENCOUNTERED GOD.

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AND I WENT AND I READ
1 CORINTHIANS 14

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WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE
GIFT OF PROPHECY BEING USED,

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AND IT SAID THE
UNBELIEVING OR UNGIFTED

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WILL EXCLAIM GOD'S REALLY
AMONG YOU, AND I SAID,

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THIS HAPPENED
TO ME TONIGHT.

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THIS HAPPENED.


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AND THAT BEGAN A
PURSUIT OF UNDERSTANDING

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WHO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS,


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AND A RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE HOLY SPIRIT,

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THE PERSON
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

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I HAD A THEOLOGICAL
GRID FOR HIM

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AND AN UNDERSTANDING,


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BUT I DIDN'T KNOW
HIM PERSONALLY.

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I DID NOT KNOW THE POWER,


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I DID NOT KNOW THE INTIMACY,


00:12:48.300 --> 00:12:50.300
THAT I COULD HAVE
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT,

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THAT HE'S A PERSON.


00:12:51.733 --> 00:12:55.733
AND SO THAT BEGAN A
JOURNEY OF STARTING

00:12:55.833 --> 00:12:57.333
TO HAVE ENCOUNTERS WITH
THE HOLY SPIRIT,

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UNDERSTANDING THE GIFTS
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,

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WHICH INEVITABLY
IMPACTED MINISTRY

00:13:04.800 --> 00:13:06.766
AND HOW THAT WAS
EXPRESSED THROUGH

00:13:06.866 --> 00:13:08.600
THE MINISTRY VOCATION I WAS IN.


00:13:08.700 --> 00:13:11.566
AND SO THAT BEGAN
A JOURNEY, AS WELL.

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REBECCA: SO, WHEN YOU WERE
RAISED IN THE CHURCH OF CHRIST,

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DID YOU HAVE EXPOSURE TO


00:13:15.967 --> 00:13:17.467
THE INFILLING OF
THE HOLY SPIRIT,

00:13:17.567 --> 00:13:18.767
SPEAKING IN TONGUES,
ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

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MICHAEL: NO, NO.


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REBECCA: SO DID THAT COME
AROUND THAT TIMING

00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.067
AFTER THE PROPHECY?


00:13:23.167 --> 00:13:24.233
MICHAEL: YEAH.


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I STARTED TO --


00:13:25.467 --> 00:13:26.166
REBECCA: HOW DID
YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO?

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MICHAEL: I DIDN'T.


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REBECCA: [ LAUGHING ]


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MICHAEL: I DIDN'T.
I DIDN'T.

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IT WAS ALL NEW AND
EXTREMELY WEIRD.

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IT WAS EXTREMELY
A CHALLENGE TO --

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I HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS.


00:13:37.466 --> 00:13:39.599
BUT I THINK WHAT WAS
CRUCIAL IN ANYONE

00:13:39.699 --> 00:13:40.900
THAT FINDS HIMSELF
IN THAT PLACE,

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IS RELATIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE.


00:13:43.033 --> 00:13:46.200
THE PEOPLE THAT I KNEW
BORE REALLY GOOD FRUIT.

00:13:46.300 --> 00:13:49.266
AND NOT THAT THOSE THAT
WEREN'T EXPRESSING THOSE GIFTS

00:13:49.366 --> 00:13:50.699
DIDN'T HAVE GOOD FRUIT,


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BUT I SAW THE MARK OF
THE LORD ON THEIR LIVES,

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AND I JUST STARTED
INQUIRING AND ASKING.

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AND SOME DISCIPLESHIP,
RELATIONSHIPS,

00:14:02.499 --> 00:14:04.000
SPECIFICALLY
MARCUS BRECHEEN,

00:14:04.100 --> 00:14:05.067
I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU KNOW MARCUS.

00:14:05.167 --> 00:14:06.000
REBECCA: I LOVE HIM!


00:14:06.100 --> 00:14:06.800
MICHAEL: YOU DO, OKAY.


00:14:06.900 --> 00:14:08.099
REBECCA: YES.
THIS IS AWESOME.

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MICHAEL: SO MARCUS IS,
MARCUS STARTED MENTORING ME.

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REBECCA: I FORGOT HE
CAME FROM THAT BACKGROUND.

00:14:13.700 --> 00:14:15.033
I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.


00:14:15.133 --> 00:14:17.766
MICHAEL: SO HE INTERVIEWED
ME FOR A POSITION

00:14:17.866 --> 00:14:18.733
AT A CHURCH
OF CHRIST CHURCH,

00:14:18.833 --> 00:14:21.166
AND HE SAID SOME
THINGS, AND I WAS LIKE,

00:14:21.266 --> 00:14:22.733
AND IT WAS IN THE REALM
OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,

00:14:22.833 --> 00:14:25.533
AND I SAID, MAN, I DON'T
KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

00:14:25.633 --> 00:14:26.899
THIS PROBABLY ISN'T THE
BEST CHURCH FOR ME.

00:14:26.999 --> 00:14:29.266
AND HE SAID, YEAH,
PROBABLY NOT.

00:14:29.366 --> 00:14:30.766
AND THEN WHEN I
HAD THESE ENCOUNTERS,

00:14:30.866 --> 00:14:32.333
I THOUGHT, I'M GOING
TO LOOK UP MARCUS.

00:14:32.433 --> 00:14:37.166
BECAUSE HIS FAMILY IS,
THEY'RE JUST VERY WELL-KNOWN

00:14:37.266 --> 00:14:38.666
IN THE
CHURCHES OF CHRIST.

00:14:38.766 --> 00:14:40.033
HIS DAD WAS A PROFESSOR
AT ABILENE CHRISTIAN.

00:14:40.133 --> 00:14:43.166
SO I CALLED MARCUS, AND MARCUS
HAD GOTTEN HIRED AT GATEWAY.

00:14:43.266 --> 00:14:44.733
AND IT WAS RECENT.


00:14:44.833 --> 00:14:46.000
AND HE SAID, I'LL MEET
YOU AT STARBUCKS.

00:14:46.100 --> 00:14:48.566
AND SO WE MET FOR
PROBABLY TWO YEARS,

00:14:48.666 --> 00:14:52.033
AND HE JUST LAID SUCH
A SOUND FOUNDATION.

00:14:52.133 --> 00:14:54.567
FOR ME, KNOWING
MY BACKGROUND,

00:14:54.667 --> 00:14:56.767
AND HELPED ME JOURNEY
INTO THOSE THINGS.

00:14:56.867 --> 00:14:58.033
AND SO I STARTED
ATTENDING GATEWAY

00:14:58.133 --> 00:14:59.433
ON SATURDAY NIGHTS.


00:14:59.533 --> 00:15:00.467
REBECCA:
OH, MY GOODNESS.

00:15:00.567 --> 00:15:01.433
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:15:01.533 --> 00:15:02.800
SO GATEWAY, IT WAS WHEN
IT WAS MEETING

00:15:02.900 --> 00:15:05.133
AT THE PRIMROSE,


00:15:05.233 --> 00:15:06.233
IT WAS THE EARLY DAYS.


00:15:06.333 --> 00:15:08.799
THEY DIDN'T HAVE
A BUILDING YET.

00:15:08.899 --> 00:15:12.533
BUT PASTOR ROBERT AND
THOSE GUYS REALLY HELPED ME

00:15:12.633 --> 00:15:14.266
ON MY
THEOLOGICAL JOURNEY.

00:15:14.366 --> 00:15:16.100
SO I'M REALLY
GRATEFUL FOR GATEWAY.

00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:17.400
BUT MARCUS, MARCUS IS
STILL THERE

00:15:17.500 --> 00:15:18.833
AT THE UPPERROOM ON
SUNDAY NIGHTS

00:15:18.933 --> 00:15:20.999
AND MARCUS IS STILL
A PART OF MY LIFE,

00:15:21.099 --> 00:15:23.033
AND HE'S JUST BEEN A BIG
BROTHER AND FATHER TO ME.

00:15:23.133 --> 00:15:24.633
SO MARCUS WAS
EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

00:15:24.733 --> 00:15:25.700
REBECCA:
THAT IS SO COOL.

00:15:25.800 --> 00:15:26.900
MICHAEL: SMALL WORLD, HUH?


00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:28.066
REBECCA: WELL, I JUST
REMEMBER HIM

00:15:28.166 --> 00:15:31.867
BECAUSE HE PREACHED AT,


00:15:31.967 --> 00:15:33.666
HE USED TO DO KAIROS,
AND I DID --

00:15:33.766 --> 00:15:34.966
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER
DID KAIROS AT GATEWAY,

00:15:35.066 --> 00:15:36.333
IT'S LIKE THEIR
INNER-HEALING SESSIONS,

00:15:36.433 --> 00:15:38.400
AND HE DOES ONE OF THE
FOUNDATIONAL MESSAGES.

00:15:38.500 --> 00:15:40.000
AND SO HE PREACHED
TWO SERMONS,

00:15:40.100 --> 00:15:42.799
AND I'VE HEARD LIKE HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF SERMONS

00:15:42.899 --> 00:15:43.833
IN MY LIFE,


00:15:43.933 --> 00:15:45.266
AND I REMEMBER BOTH
OF THE ONES HE PREACHED.

00:15:45.366 --> 00:15:46.400
HE PREACHED ONE THERE


00:15:46.500 --> 00:15:47.200
AND HE PREACHED ONE
AT BIBLE SCHOOL,

00:15:47.300 --> 00:15:48.633
AND THEY BOTH
CHANGED MY LIFE.

00:15:48.733 --> 00:15:49.566
MICHAEL: HE'S
SUCH A GOOD TEACHER.

00:15:49.666 --> 00:15:51.433
REBECCA: HE'S
SUCH A GOOD PREACHER.

00:15:51.533 --> 00:15:52.433
MICHAEL: YEAH, YEAH.


00:15:52.533 --> 00:15:53.033
REBECCA: SO IF YOU'RE
LISTENING TO THIS,

00:15:53.133 --> 00:15:54.166
YOU CAN LOOK HIM UP.


00:15:54.266 --> 00:15:55.500
OKAY.


00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:56.899
SO YOU START
GETTING DISCIPLED,

00:15:56.999 --> 00:15:59.733
GROWING IN YOUR INTIMACY
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.

00:15:59.833 --> 00:16:02.466
WHAT GOES ON
FROM AFTER THAT?

00:16:02.566 --> 00:16:04.566
MICHAEL: I WENT TO ANOTHER
CHURCH THAT WAS MUCH LARGER,

00:16:04.666 --> 00:16:06.699
A COUPLE THOUSAND,


00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:07.900
AND WAS THE
YOUNG ADULT PASTOR.

00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.533
I HAD A COUPLE
HUNDRED YOUNG ADULTS.

00:16:10.633 --> 00:16:13.133
AND AT THAT TIME, I HAD
A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP

00:16:13.233 --> 00:16:14.333
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, BUT
I DIDN'T REALLY

00:16:14.433 --> 00:16:18.133
UNDERSTAND THE
CHARISMATIC WORLD.

00:16:18.233 --> 00:16:20.200
REBECCA: LIKE THE OUTPOURING
OF IT INTO A MINISTRY SETTING.

00:16:20.300 --> 00:16:21.500
MICHAEL: YEAH, IN THE
MINISTRY SETTINGS.

00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:22.766
AND SO -


00:16:22.866 --> 00:16:24.899
REBECCA: BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU
STARTED IN THE RIGHT PLACE,

00:16:24.999 --> 00:16:26.066
BECAUSE
YOU CAN ACTUALLY -

00:16:26.166 --> 00:16:28.333
SOME PEOPLE CAN
HAVE LIKE THE GIFTS,

00:16:28.433 --> 00:16:30.133
BUT THEY DON'T
HAVE THE INTIMACY.

00:16:30.233 --> 00:16:31.400
MICHAEL: MM-HM, YEAH.


00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:33.467
AND IT'S LIKE A GUN -


00:16:33.567 --> 00:16:36.133
REBECCA: YOU'RE A VERY
FOUNDATIONAL, GOOD STEP BY STEP.

00:16:36.233 --> 00:16:37.533
MICHAEL: VERY STRATEGIC
FROM THE LORD.

00:16:37.633 --> 00:16:38.400
REBECCA:
IT'S VERY COOL.

00:16:38.500 --> 00:16:39.400
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:16:39.500 --> 00:16:42.733
IT WAS DEFINITELY A
JOURNEY IN PROCESS.

00:16:42.833 --> 00:16:44.667
SO THAT SENIOR PASTOR AT
THAT CHURCH INVITED ME

00:16:44.767 --> 00:16:47.233
TO AN EVENT THAT
WAS THE WEIRDEST,

00:16:47.333 --> 00:16:48.800
STRANGEST EVENT I
HAD EVER BEEN TO.

00:16:48.900 --> 00:16:52.266
IT WAS CALLED
TEXAS ABLAZE.

00:16:52.366 --> 00:16:54.867
YOU COULD IMAGINE,
THERE WERE LIKE THE,

00:16:54.967 --> 00:16:56.900
I CALLED IT - SOMEONE ASKED
ME WHAT I THOUGHT OF IT,

00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.366
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS
LIKE A SPRING BREAK,

00:16:59.466 --> 00:17:00.666
IT LOOKED LIKE A
SPRING BREAK PARTY

00:17:00.766 --> 00:17:01.866
FOR MIDDLE-AGED WOMEN,


00:17:01.966 --> 00:17:04.133
LIKE JUST WOMEN WERE SHAKING
AND THERE WERE FLAGS.

00:17:04.233 --> 00:17:05.467
REBECCA:
OH, MY GOODNESS.

00:17:05.567 --> 00:17:08.367
MICHAEL: IT WAS JUST ONE OF
THOSE LIKE, IT WAS CHARISMANIA.

00:17:08.467 --> 00:17:10.500
FROM MY STANDPOINT,
IT LOOKED LIKE THAT.

00:17:10.600 --> 00:17:11.967
AND I THOUGHT,
I'M NEVER GOING,

00:17:12.067 --> 00:17:12.967
I'M NOT GOING
BACK TO THAT,

00:17:13.067 --> 00:17:13.600
THIS GUY'S GOING
TO BE EMBARRASSED

00:17:13.700 --> 00:17:14.999
HE INVITED ME.


00:17:15.099 --> 00:17:19.133
AND IT TURNED OUT THAT HE
HAD BEEN ENCOUNTERING GOD,

00:17:19.233 --> 00:17:20.433
AND HE WAS LIKE,
ISN'T THIS AWESOME?

00:17:20.533 --> 00:17:22.433
AND I WAS LIKE, I KNOW.


00:17:22.533 --> 00:17:23.733
[ LAUGHING ]


00:17:23.833 --> 00:17:24.899
LIKE, I DON'T
UNDERSTAND ANY OF IT.

00:17:24.999 --> 00:17:25.833
REBECCA: YOU'RE LIKE,
THIS MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.

00:17:25.933 --> 00:17:27.533
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:17:27.633 --> 00:17:29.733
AND THEN THE NEXT DAY, I
DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO LONG

00:17:29.833 --> 00:17:30.933
ON THIS STORY,
BUT THE NEXT DAY,

00:17:31.033 --> 00:17:32.867
THE POWER IN THE CHURCH
WAS OUT AND HE RAN UPSTAIRS

00:17:32.967 --> 00:17:34.366
AND HE SAID, I THINK
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO BACK

00:17:34.466 --> 00:17:35.433
TO THE CONFERENCE.


00:17:35.533 --> 00:17:37.300
THERE'S A SESSION THAT
STARTS IN 30 MINUTES.

00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:38.700
SO WE WENT BACK


00:17:38.800 --> 00:17:41.233
AND PATRICIA KING
WAS MINISTERING.

00:17:41.333 --> 00:17:42.966
AND THERE WERE 2,000
PEOPLE IN A ROOM,

00:17:43.066 --> 00:17:45.466
AND SHE CALLED ME OUT.


00:17:45.566 --> 00:17:47.233
AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT
POWER EVANGELISM,

00:17:47.333 --> 00:17:48.933
AND I WAS REALLY
OVERTAKEN.

00:17:49.033 --> 00:17:52.300
I'D NEVER SEEN EVANGELISM
ON THE STREETS IN THIS WAY.

00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.300
THEY WERE PROPHESYING
OVER PEOPLE

00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:55.533
AND PEOPLE WERE COMING
TO THE LORD.

00:17:55.633 --> 00:17:58.699
IT WAS BEFORE SMARTPHONES
AND CAMERAS EVERYWHERE,

00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:02.033
BUT THEY HAD VIDEO TEAMS
ON THE STRIP IN VEGAS.

00:18:02.133 --> 00:18:03.200
AND I WAS JUST MARKED.


00:18:03.300 --> 00:18:06.999
I WAS LIKE, OH, MY GOSH,
THIS IS SO POWERFUL.

00:18:07.099 --> 00:18:09.433
AND I WAS IN
THE BACK CRYING,

00:18:09.533 --> 00:18:10.633
BUT NO ONE REALLY KNEW IT.


00:18:10.733 --> 00:18:14.133
AND THEN SHE IDENTIFIED
THAT GOD WAS SPEAKING TO ME

00:18:14.233 --> 00:18:15.500
AND JUST REALLY CALLED OUT
A LOT OF THE THINGS

00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:17.067
THAT I'M DOING TODAY.


00:18:17.167 --> 00:18:18.067
REBECCA: WOW.


00:18:18.167 --> 00:18:19.733
MICHAEL: AND SO THE
FRUIT OF THAT TIME,

00:18:19.833 --> 00:18:21.333
I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR.


00:18:21.433 --> 00:18:24.600
I THINK SOMETIMES GOD
WRAPS HIMSELF IN PACKAGES

00:18:24.700 --> 00:18:26.400
THAT WE WOULDN'T CHOOSE.


00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:31.066
LIKE, IT'S WEIRD OR OFFENSIVE
TO OUR FLESH, OUR MIND.

00:18:31.166 --> 00:18:35.233
BUT DISCOVERING HIM
IN THOSE PLACES

00:18:35.333 --> 00:18:36.700
CAN BE LIFE-CHANGING.


00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:39.699
AND SO THAT WAS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF KINDA JEHOVAH SNEAKY.

00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:40.933
[ LAUGHING ]


00:18:41.033 --> 00:18:44.233
MICHAEL: YOU KNOW, THE
JEHOVAH SNEAKY SNEAKING IN

00:18:44.333 --> 00:18:47.233
AND JUST, HE DID
ONE ON ME THERE.

00:18:47.333 --> 00:18:51.000
BUT I, FROM THERE,
REALLY DEVELOPED A HUNGER

00:18:51.100 --> 00:18:53.333
FOR THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND
STARTED TO TAKE THAT

00:18:53.433 --> 00:18:57.966
YOUNG ADULT MINISTRY INTO
THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT

00:18:58.066 --> 00:18:59.800
AND JUST UNDERSTANDING
HOW TO HOST GOD.

00:18:59.900 --> 00:19:01.767
AND SO WE GOT A
PASSION FOR PRAYER.

00:19:01.867 --> 00:19:04.133
PRAYER IS A MEANS TO HIM,
AND SO THAT'S WHERE

00:19:04.233 --> 00:19:07.533
WE REALLY STARTED EXPLORING
CORPORATE PRAYER

00:19:07.633 --> 00:19:09.199
AROUND THE
PRESENCE OF GOD,

00:19:09.299 --> 00:19:10.433
WHICH IS WHERE
I MET SEAN FEUCHT.

00:19:10.533 --> 00:19:12.067
WE TALKED ABOUT SEAN.


00:19:12.167 --> 00:19:13.966
SEAN HAD STARTED THE BURN,


00:19:14.066 --> 00:19:15.266
AND SO SEAN CAME
THROUGH DALLAS,

00:19:15.366 --> 00:19:18.100
AND HE AND I HOOKED UP
AND STARTED TRAVELING

00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:20.566
AND PLANTING THESE THINGS
CALLED THE BURN TOGETHER,

00:19:20.666 --> 00:19:23.333
WHICH WAS JUST 24-48 HOURS
OF NONSTOP PRAYER

00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:24.866
HOSTING GOD'S PRESENCE.


00:19:24.966 --> 00:19:26.767
REBECCA: WHERE DID YOU
MAKE THE CONNECTION

00:19:26.867 --> 00:19:28.067
TO PRAYER BEING SO PIVOTAL


00:19:28.167 --> 00:19:30.100
IN HOSTING THE
PRESENCE OF GOD?

00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.699
MICHAEL: PERSONALLY,
THAT'S HOW

00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:34.500
I ENGAGE THE
PRESENCE OF GOD.

00:19:34.600 --> 00:19:35.833
REBECCA: SO YOU WANTED
TO TAKE IT CORPORATELY?

00:19:35.933 --> 00:19:37.033
MICHAEL: MM-HM.


00:19:37.133 --> 00:19:40.099
I REALLY WRESTLED AS A PASTOR
WITH JESUS' DEFINITION

00:19:40.199 --> 00:19:41.666
OF HIS HOME.


00:19:41.766 --> 00:19:45.066
JESUS WAS REALLY CLEAR
HOW HE DEFINED

00:19:45.166 --> 00:19:46.833
WHAT WOULD BE HIS HOME.


00:19:46.933 --> 00:19:49.300
HE SAID, MY HOUSE WILL
BE A HOUSE OF PRAYER.

00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:51.633
AND I HAD ALWAYS TAKEN
THAT PERSONALLY,

00:19:51.733 --> 00:19:55.600
THAT WE COLLECTIVELY,
INDIVIDUALS PRAY.

00:19:55.700 --> 00:19:59.233
BUT I ALWAYS SENSED
THERE WAS MORE TO THAT,

00:19:59.333 --> 00:20:00.766
THAT IF THAT'S THE
ACTIVITY THAT DEFINES

00:20:00.866 --> 00:20:02.733
THE PLACE THAT HE RESTS,


00:20:02.833 --> 00:20:04.433
THE CHURCHES THAT
I WORKED FOR,

00:20:04.533 --> 00:20:06.699
THAT WOULD NOT BE
THE DEFINING ACTIVITY.

00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:07.700
REBECCA: EXACTLY.


00:20:07.800 --> 00:20:08.900
MICHAEL: IT WOULDN'T.


00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.366
IT WAS THE LEAST-ATTENDED
MEETING, THE PRAYER MEETING.

00:20:11.466 --> 00:20:13.033
REBECCA: NO, IT'S TRUE.


00:20:13.133 --> 00:20:14.333
MICHAEL: AND
SO I WANTED TO,

00:20:14.433 --> 00:20:16.833
I FELT LIKE IT WAS AN
INVITATION FROM THE LORD,

00:20:16.933 --> 00:20:18.067
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT?


00:20:18.167 --> 00:20:20.466
I HAD MORE QUESTIONS
THAN ANSWERS.

00:20:20.566 --> 00:20:22.699
AND SO THE QUESTIONS
LED INTO

00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.867
A DISCOVERY FOR ME PERSONALLY


00:20:24.967 --> 00:20:26.033
AND THE PEOPLE
THAT I WAS LEADING,

00:20:26.133 --> 00:20:27.366
WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.


00:20:27.466 --> 00:20:28.566
AND I THINK IT'S
A RED CARPET

00:20:28.666 --> 00:20:30.899
FOR THE CHURCH TO DISCOVER
WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT.

00:20:30.999 --> 00:20:33.867
I DON'T THINK IT'S
JUST A MINISTRY.

00:20:33.967 --> 00:20:35.200
WHEN WE THINK
HOUSE OF PRAYER,

00:20:35.300 --> 00:20:38.366
A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT KNOW THAT
LANGUAGE THINK OF KANSAS CITY

00:20:38.466 --> 00:20:39.733
OR HOUSE
OF PRAYER CULTURE,

00:20:39.833 --> 00:20:41.867
BUT I THINK IT'S SO
MUCH BROADER THAN THAT.

00:20:41.967 --> 00:20:43.100
REBECCA: IT IS.


00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.599
MICHAEL: AND MY HOPE IS TO
REALLY ENCOURAGE PASTORS

00:20:45.699 --> 00:20:48.733
TO EXPLORE
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

00:20:48.833 --> 00:20:50.900
BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN
INCREDIBLE FRUIT

00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.433
FROM LEARNING HOW TO
HOST GOD'S PRESENCE.

00:20:52.533 --> 00:20:54.766
REBECCA: IT'S NOT LIKE A
SPECIAL NICHE FOR THE CHURCH,

00:20:54.866 --> 00:20:55.933
IT'S FOR<i>THE</i> CHURCH.


00:20:56.033 --> 00:20:56.733
MICHAEL: YES.


00:20:56.833 --> 00:20:58.200
IT IS FOR<i>THE</i> CHURCH.


00:20:58.300 --> 00:20:59.333
REBECCA: AND, SEE,
I GREW UP,

00:20:59.433 --> 00:21:00.333
SEE, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS,


00:21:00.433 --> 00:21:03.266
I GREW UP IN A
SPIRIT-FILLED ENVIRONMENT,

00:21:03.366 --> 00:21:04.600
AND IT WAS INTERESTING


00:21:04.700 --> 00:21:10.000
BECAUSE INTERCESSION WAS LIKE
FOR A GROUP OF SPECIAL PEOPLE,

00:21:10.100 --> 00:21:13.200
AND IT'S JUST LIKE, HONESTLY,
IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS,

00:21:13.300 --> 00:21:15.333
THAT I'M EVEN
BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND

00:21:15.433 --> 00:21:18.533
HOW IMPORTANT AND LIKE
PIVOTAL PRAYER IS,

00:21:18.633 --> 00:21:21.367
AND HOW WE SHOULD ALL BE
IN PRAYER PERSONALLY,

00:21:21.467 --> 00:21:24.266
HOW LIKE THAT'S LIKE THE
SECRET PLACE IN OUR QUIET TIME

00:21:24.366 --> 00:21:25.900
IN OUR PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD,

00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:29.333
AND THEN HOW WE NEED TO BE DOING
THAT AS THE BODY OF CHRIST.

00:21:29.433 --> 00:21:32.266
AND SO IT'S JUST LIKE
THIS BIG, MASSIVE THING,

00:21:32.366 --> 00:21:34.333
AND I'M LIKE, HOW DID I
NOT SEE THIS MY WHOLE LIFE?

00:21:34.433 --> 00:21:36.067
BECAUSE I GREW UP IN
CHURCH MY WHOLE LIFE.

00:21:36.167 --> 00:21:37.333
AND IT'S TRUE.


00:21:37.433 --> 00:21:39.933
IT'S LIKE I THINK A LOT
OF PEOPLE WERE AVOIDING PRAYER.

00:21:40.033 --> 00:21:42.233
THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THAT'S
JUST FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

00:21:42.333 --> 00:21:44.366
AND I USED TO WRITE OFF
LIKE THE INTERCESSORS,

00:21:44.466 --> 00:21:46.400
I WAS LIKE, OH, THEY'RE
WEIRD, YOU KNOW.

00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:47.467
AND SO...


00:21:47.567 --> 00:21:49.133
AND THE FLESH
DOESN'T LIKE PRAYER.

00:21:49.233 --> 00:21:50.733
BUT IF YOU GET PAST


00:21:50.833 --> 00:21:53.166
WHAT I THINK YOUR MIND
MIGHT ASSUME PRAYER IS

00:21:53.266 --> 00:21:54.500
AND ACTUALLY GET INTO,


00:21:54.600 --> 00:21:57.366
LIKE YOU SAY, GOD'S PRESENCE AND
YOU START TO HEAR GOD'S HEART,

00:21:57.466 --> 00:22:00.033
YOU REALIZE PRAYER IS
LIKE A BEAUTIFUL THING,

00:22:00.133 --> 00:22:01.600
AND IT'S FOR ALL OF US.


00:22:01.700 --> 00:22:04.200
AND THEN WHEN YOU STUDY
ANY MAJOR MOVE OF GOD,

00:22:04.300 --> 00:22:05.966
IT ALWAYS INVOLVED PRAYER.


00:22:06.066 --> 00:22:07.000
MICHAEL: PRECEDED PRAYER, YEP.


00:22:07.100 --> 00:22:08.033
YEP, FOR SURE.


00:22:08.133 --> 00:22:09.800
REBECCA: IT WASN'T
LIKE PREACHING OR THIS.

00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:11.800
IT WAS ALWAYS
PRAYER IN UNITY.

00:22:11.900 --> 00:22:12.733
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:22:12.833 --> 00:22:15.366
WHEN I HEAR
THE WORD PRAYER,

00:22:15.466 --> 00:22:18.100
IT'S SYNONYMOUS IN MY WORLD
WHEN PEOPLE AT THE UPPERROOM

00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:21.600
HEAR PRAYER, THEY HEAR
THE WORD, RELATIONSHIP.

00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:22.866
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:22:22.966 --> 00:22:23.933
THAT'S SO MUCH - THAT'S SUCH
A GOOD WAY OF DESCRIBING IT.

00:22:24.033 --> 00:22:26.166
MICHAEL: SO DEFINING
PRAYER AS RELATIONSHIP,

00:22:26.266 --> 00:22:30.300
IT'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE
IN RELATIONSHIP WITH A MAN

00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.566
WHO'S ALIVE, WHO SENDS HIS
SPIRIT INTO A REAL PLACE

00:22:33.666 --> 00:22:35.999
AT A REAL TIME THAT
WE GET TO ENGAGE.

00:22:36.099 --> 00:22:38.999
AND SO LEARNING HOW
TO DANCE WITH HIM,

00:22:39.099 --> 00:22:41.133
LEARNING HOW
TO ENGAGE HIM.

00:22:41.233 --> 00:22:43.100
AND IT'S NOT A SCIENCE.


00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:44.800
IT'S NOT A FORMULA.


00:22:44.900 --> 00:22:45.567
IT'S A ROMANCE.


00:22:45.667 --> 00:22:47.733
IT REALLY IS.


00:22:47.833 --> 00:22:50.233
THERE'S AN EXCHANGE
THAT HAPPENS.

00:22:50.333 --> 00:22:53.333
AND SO INTERCESSION
IS A PART OF PRAYER.

00:22:53.433 --> 00:22:54.599
IT'S A FORM OF PRAYER.


00:22:54.699 --> 00:22:59.366
BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WE'VE
RELEGATED PRAYER TO ASKING.

00:22:59.466 --> 00:23:01.633
AND THAT'S A
COMPONENT OF PRAYER,

00:23:01.733 --> 00:23:04.533
BUT IT'S SO MUCH MORE.


00:23:04.633 --> 00:23:07.133
AND SO WE HAVE PRAYER.


00:23:07.233 --> 00:23:08.433
I WOULD CONSIDER WORSHIP


00:23:08.533 --> 00:23:10.500
AT THE BEGINNING OF
ANY CHURCH SERVICE

00:23:10.600 --> 00:23:12.333
IS A FORM
OF CORPORATE PRAYER,

00:23:12.433 --> 00:23:15.399
THAT WE'RE SINGING TO
HIM, BUT EVEN THEN,

00:23:15.499 --> 00:23:20.099
I THINK DECONSTRUCTING
WHAT IS WORSHIP MUSIC?

00:23:20.199 --> 00:23:22.733
I THINK LOOKING AT
NOT ALL MUSIC

00:23:22.833 --> 00:23:24.733
THAT WE SING IN CHURCH
IS WORSHIP.

00:23:24.833 --> 00:23:28.033
A LOT OF IT'S SINGING
ABOUT OURSELVES.

00:23:28.133 --> 00:23:31.366
AND SO I'M VERY
PASSIONATE KIND OF ABOUT

00:23:31.466 --> 00:23:32.933
REALLY HONING IN
ON DEFINITIONS,

00:23:33.033 --> 00:23:35.400
BECAUSE I THINK
THEY'RE IMPORTANT.

00:23:35.500 --> 00:23:36.533
BUT, YEAH, THE HOUSE OF
PRAYER TOPIC IS ONE

00:23:36.633 --> 00:23:38.400
THAT I'M EXTREMELY
PASSIONATE ABOUT,

00:23:38.500 --> 00:23:39.966
AND THAT'S WHY I
WROTE THE BOOK.

00:23:40.066 --> 00:23:41.233
REBECCA: YEAH. AND IT'S
LIKE YOUR BOOK,

00:23:41.333 --> 00:23:43.933
IT SAYS,<i>HIS HOUSE,
HIS PRESENCE</i> .

00:23:44.033 --> 00:23:47.566
AND SO IT'S SEEKING HIM,
AND IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU GET

00:23:47.666 --> 00:23:50.633
INTO THE WORD, YOU START
TO REALIZE THAT GOD

00:23:50.733 --> 00:23:54.167
WANTS TO BE OUR GOD AND
WE BE HIS PEOPLE

00:23:54.267 --> 00:23:57.666
AND THAT HE WANTS A PLACE FOR
HIS PRESENCE TO BE WITH US.

00:23:57.766 --> 00:24:00.466
BUT LIKE THAT'S HIS DESIRE
THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING,

00:24:00.566 --> 00:24:02.300
IS THAT GOD WANTS
TO BE WITH US.

00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:04.433
AND IN THE BEGINNING, IT
SAYS, I WILL BE THEIR GOD,

00:24:04.533 --> 00:24:05.400
THEY WILL BE MY PEOPLE.


00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:06.700
AT THE END IT SAYS THAT


00:24:06.800 --> 00:24:09.099
AND HOW IT'S ABOUT GOD
TABERNACLING,

00:24:09.199 --> 00:24:10.400
GOD BEING WITH US.


00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:11.433
MICHAEL: YES.


00:24:11.533 --> 00:24:12.666
REBECCA: AND SO PRAYER
IS A PART OF THAT.

00:24:12.766 --> 00:24:14.467
AND I LOVE THAT YOU SAID
PRAYER IS RELATIONSHIP

00:24:14.567 --> 00:24:16.699
BECAUSE I THINK FOR SO
LONG, FOR ME, PERSONALLY,

00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:20.167
I THOUGHT OF PRAYER AS
LIKE JUST ME SAYING WORDS UP,

00:24:20.267 --> 00:24:21.433
NOT AN EXCHANGE.


00:24:21.533 --> 00:24:22.566
MICHAEL: YES.


00:24:22.666 --> 00:24:24.833
YEAH. THERE'S A GIVE AND TAKE.


00:24:24.933 --> 00:24:28.033
THERE'S A - I TALK ABOUT
NOT SHOWING UP EMPTYHANDED.

00:24:28.133 --> 00:24:30.700
SO THANKSGIVING, WE ALWAYS
START OUT ENTERING THE GATES

00:24:30.800 --> 00:24:34.333
WITH THANKSGIVING,
SO WE BRING AN OFFERING TO HIM.

00:24:34.433 --> 00:24:35.500
BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING
TO OUTGIVE HIM.

00:24:35.600 --> 00:24:36.866
SO IF YOU'RE GIVING
HIM SOMETHING,

00:24:36.966 --> 00:24:39.899
YOU'RE ACTUALLY POSITIONING
YOURSELF TO RECEIVE.

00:24:39.999 --> 00:24:43.600
AND SO JUST PEOPLE
LEARNING HOW TO PRAY

00:24:43.700 --> 00:24:45.167
OR WANT ENCOURAGEMENT IN
THEIR PRAYER LIFE,

00:24:45.267 --> 00:24:48.566
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO START
WITH AN OFFERING OF THANKS.

00:24:48.666 --> 00:24:49.800
TELLING HIM THANK YOU.


00:24:49.900 --> 00:24:51.266
ITEMIZING THAT.


00:24:51.366 --> 00:24:52.667
AND THEN WAITING ON HIM.


00:24:52.767 --> 00:24:54.967
WAITING ON HIM TO RESPOND
AND LEAD AND DIRECT

00:24:55.067 --> 00:24:57.599
FROM THAT PLACE.


00:24:57.699 --> 00:25:00.433
IT BEGINS THAT
DANCE, I THINK,

00:25:00.533 --> 00:25:01.566
WHERE WE
RELATIONALLY START.

00:25:01.666 --> 00:25:03.300
REBECCA: THAT'S HOW
THE TABERNACLE IS LAID OUT.

00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.200
THE TABERNACLE OF MOSES,
WHICH IS THE TABERNACLE

00:25:07.300 --> 00:25:09.133
THAT'S A TYPE OF SHADOW
IN HEAVEN IT TALKS ABOUT

00:25:09.233 --> 00:25:11.299
IN HEBREWS, AND THE
VERY FIRST THING IS,

00:25:11.399 --> 00:25:13.366
ENTER HIS COURTS
WITH THANKSGIVING,

00:25:13.466 --> 00:25:15.300
THAT GATE THAT OPENS.


00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:16.200
MICHAEL: PSALMS 100, YEAH.


00:25:16.300 --> 00:25:17.799
REBECCA: YEAH,
IS THE THANKSGIVING.

00:25:17.899 --> 00:25:21.567
SO BY, THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT I WOULD LOVE TO STUDY.

00:25:21.667 --> 00:25:24.600
AND HOW THAT GIVES US LIKE
A HEAVENLY MODEL

00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:26.666
OF WHAT IS
GOING ON IN HEAVEN.

00:25:26.766 --> 00:25:28.700
MICHAEL: RIGHT,
RIGHT, YEAH.

00:25:28.800 --> 00:25:30.800
I CALL IT
THE LITTLE HINGE.

00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:33.066
THANKSGIVING'S
THE LITTLE HINGE.

00:25:33.166 --> 00:25:34.233
REBECCA: BUT IT MAKES
SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE.

00:25:34.333 --> 00:25:35.700
MICHAEL: IT DOES.


00:25:35.800 --> 00:25:38.366
THE DOOR THAT OPENS UP IS
THE DOOR OF OUR HEART.

00:25:38.466 --> 00:25:42.499
IT POSITIONS US TO
REALLY ENGAGE HIM,

00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.733
THE GIVER OF
ALL THAT'S GOOD,

00:25:44.833 --> 00:25:46.000
AND WE'RE PUTTING HIM IN


00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:49.467
THE RIGHTFUL PLACE
OF THE GIVER

00:25:49.567 --> 00:25:51.766
THAT'S ALL THAT'S GOOD,
AND AGAIN, THAT DANCE BEGINS.

00:25:51.866 --> 00:25:53.500
BUT, YEAH,


00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:55.633
I LOVE TALKING
ABOUT PRAYER.

00:25:55.733 --> 00:25:57.200
REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME.


00:25:57.300 --> 00:26:00.066
SO YOU ARE WITH SEAN.


00:26:00.166 --> 00:26:02.200
WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE?


00:26:02.300 --> 00:26:04.133
MICHAEL: FROM THERE...


00:26:04.233 --> 00:26:05.300
REBECCA: DO YOU FEEL
LIKE YOU LEARNED A LOT

00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.667
IN THAT SEASON WITH HIM?


00:26:06.767 --> 00:26:07.699
MICHAEL: I DID.


00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:09.233
REBECCA: OR SOMETHING
GOT STIRRED UP IN YOU?

00:26:09.333 --> 00:26:10.366
MICHAEL: WE WERE
LEARNING TOGETHER.

00:26:10.466 --> 00:26:12.466
I THINK SEAN HAD
JUST GRADUATED ORU

00:26:12.566 --> 00:26:13.566
AND HAD A PASSION FOR --


00:26:13.666 --> 00:26:15.166
REBECCA: HOW OLD
WERE YOU AT THAT TIME?

00:26:15.266 --> 00:26:16.233
MICHAEL: I WOULD HAVE
BEEN IN MY LATE 20S.

00:26:16.333 --> 00:26:17.433
REBECCA: OKAY.


00:26:17.533 --> 00:26:18.967
MICHAEL: AND SEAN'S ABOUT
FIVE YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME,

00:26:19.067 --> 00:26:20.999
I THINK, SO HE WOULD HAVE
BEEN IN HIS EARLY 20S.

00:26:21.099 --> 00:26:22.233
YEAH.


00:26:22.333 --> 00:26:26.566
IT WAS A CONTEXT FOR US
TO EXPLORE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE

00:26:26.666 --> 00:26:29.767
TO GATHER PEOPLE
IN A REGION AND PRAY.

00:26:29.867 --> 00:26:32.733
AND IT WAS NUCLEAR.


00:26:32.833 --> 00:26:37.999
THERE WAS A SUBSTANCE TO
IT THAT REALLY BROUGHT

00:26:38.099 --> 00:26:41.233
LIFE TO THE CHURCHES THAT
WE HOSTED THESE EVENTS AT.

00:26:41.333 --> 00:26:43.233
THERE WAS A TANGIBLE
MARK OF POWER,

00:26:43.333 --> 00:26:45.999
A TANGIBLE MARK OF
GOD'S PRESENCE

00:26:46.099 --> 00:26:47.633
ON THOSE MEETINGS


00:26:47.733 --> 00:26:49.866
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY
AFTER THAT.

00:26:49.966 --> 00:26:51.233
BUT I KEPT THINKING, WHAT
DOES IT LOOK LIKE

00:26:51.333 --> 00:26:54.200
TO PLANT A COMMUNITY AROUND
THIS, JUST AS A PASTOR?

00:26:54.300 --> 00:26:56.400
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR
US TO FORMALIZE THIS MORE?

00:26:56.500 --> 00:26:58.000
REBECCA: INSTEAD OF JUST
GOING FROM PLACE TO PLACE,

00:26:58.100 --> 00:26:59.933
IT'S LIKE, HOW DO
YOU GET THAT CONSISTENTLY?

00:27:00.033 --> 00:27:00.933
MICHAEL: RIGHT.


00:27:01.033 --> 00:27:02.033
REBECCA: AND
WITHIN A COMMUNITY.

00:27:02.133 --> 00:27:03.800
MICHAEL: RIGHT.


00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.833
AND THAT WAS PROBABLY
THE BEGINNING SEEDS

00:27:06.933 --> 00:27:07.966
THAT WERE PLANTED
IN MY HEART

00:27:08.066 --> 00:27:10.900
THAT WOULD BECOME UPPERROOM.


00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.633
THAT WAS LATE 2008.


00:27:14.733 --> 00:27:16.267
AND THEN I GOT MARRIED
RIGHT IN THAT TIME,

00:27:16.367 --> 00:27:19.700
WHICH WAS, YES, AMEN,
SHOUT-OUT TO LORISA, MY WIFE.

00:27:19.800 --> 00:27:20.833
REBECCA: AWW.


00:27:20.933 --> 00:27:21.899
MICHAEL: SHE'S AWESOME.


00:27:21.999 --> 00:27:22.866
REBECCA: HOW LONG
HAVE Y'ALL BEEN MARRIED?

00:27:22.966 --> 00:27:24.133
MICHAEL: WE'VE BEEN
MARRIED 15 YEARS.

00:27:24.233 --> 00:27:24.933
REBECCA: OH,
THAT'S AWESOME.

00:27:25.033 --> 00:27:25.933
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:27:26.033 --> 00:27:28.567
SO SHE'S, YEAH,
SHE'S THE BEST.

00:27:28.667 --> 00:27:31.199
AND AROUND THAT TIME,
WE WERE GOING TO GO TO BETHEL.

00:27:31.299 --> 00:27:33.800
WE WERE THINKING ABOUT
GOING TO REDDING.

00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:35.500
BUT THE LORD
MADE IT VERY CLEAR

00:27:35.600 --> 00:27:37.233
THAT THAT WASN'T
IN HIS PLANS.

00:27:37.333 --> 00:27:39.200
AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER,


00:27:39.300 --> 00:27:41.600
WE HAD AN INVITATION
FROM A BUSINESS LEADER

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:42.866
IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.


00:27:42.966 --> 00:27:46.333
HE HAD A ROOM THAT HE
CALLED HIS UPPER ROOM.

00:27:46.433 --> 00:27:47.633
IT OVERLOOKED
DOWNTOWN DALLAS,

00:27:47.733 --> 00:27:50.067
IT WAS ABOUT
5,000 SQUARE FEET,

00:27:50.167 --> 00:27:51.333
AND HE WANTED
TO HOST PRAYER.

00:27:51.433 --> 00:27:54.867
SO IT WAS IN THE HOMOSEXUAL
DISTRICT OF DALLAS, OAK LAWN.

00:27:54.967 --> 00:27:58.533
REALLY DARK, KIND OF
CHURCH-PLANTING GRAVEYARD.

00:27:58.633 --> 00:28:01.066
LIKE, I SAW CHURCHES
GO THERE AND DIE.

00:28:01.166 --> 00:28:02.966
IT'S JUST A REALLY, REALLY
CHALLENGING PLACE

00:28:03.066 --> 00:28:04.733
TO PLANT A CHURCH.


00:28:04.833 --> 00:28:06.433
AND WE STARTED
A PRAYER MEETING

00:28:06.533 --> 00:28:07.466
THAT I DIDN'T THINK
WOULD BE A CHURCH.

00:28:07.566 --> 00:28:09.133
I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE
A COUPLE OF WEEKS

00:28:09.233 --> 00:28:11.166
AND THEN WE WOULD GO TO THE
BURBS AND DO SOMETHING THERE.

00:28:11.266 --> 00:28:12.300
REBECCA: [ LAUGHING ]


00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:13.600
MICHAEL: BUT GOD
HAD OTHER PLANS.

00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:14.766
REBECCA: THAT IS SO WILD.


00:28:14.866 --> 00:28:18.699
AND SO WHAT'S SO CRAZY IS,
BECAUSE BETHEL IS GREAT,

00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.500
BUT IT'S JUST, THAT'S WHY
YOU HAVE TO BE LED BY THE LORD.

00:28:21.600 --> 00:28:23.300
BECAUSE HE HAD
ANOTHER PLAN FOR YOU,

00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:25.367
AND THAT WAS JUST
A FEW MONTHS

00:28:25.467 --> 00:28:27.033
BEFORE YOU'RE GOING TO
CONNECT WITH THIS.

00:28:27.133 --> 00:28:30.400
THIS IS A MAN WHICH
WOULD START THE PATH

00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:32.600
IN THE PLANTING
OF UPPERROOM.

00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:35.433
SO YOU GUYS START MEETING,
HAVING PRAYER.

00:28:35.533 --> 00:28:37.433
SO DID YOU HAVE
ANY THINKING,

00:28:37.533 --> 00:28:38.733
OH, THIS IS GOING
TO BE A CHURCH?

00:28:38.833 --> 00:28:40.666
MICHAEL: I DIDN'T, HONESTLY.


00:28:40.766 --> 00:28:41.367
REBECCA: YOU'RE THINKING
MORE OF JUST LIKE

00:28:41.467 --> 00:28:42.667
PRAYER WITHIN A COMMUNITY.


00:28:42.767 --> 00:28:44.733
MICHAEL: I WAS LOOKING
AT EMAILS FROM THE EARLY DAYS.

00:28:44.833 --> 00:28:46.967
WE'VE BEEN KIND OF


00:28:47.067 --> 00:28:48.600
WRITING DOWN OUR HISTORY.


00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:49.700
AND SO THE EARLY
EMAILS WERE LIKE,

00:28:49.800 --> 00:28:51.399
WE'RE GOING TO
PRAY FROM PASSOVER,

00:28:51.499 --> 00:28:53.800
WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN APRIL
OF THAT YEAR, TO PENTECOST.

00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:56.466
WE WERE GOING TO
DO SEVEN WEEKS.

00:28:56.566 --> 00:28:58.766
BUT GOD SHOWED UP.


00:28:58.866 --> 00:29:02.466
THERE WAS A TANGIBLE MARK,
NOT ONLY OF HIS PRESENCE

00:29:02.566 --> 00:29:04.833
BUT ALSO PEOPLE THAT HE WAS
DRAWING TO THAT MEETING

00:29:04.933 --> 00:29:05.866
IN THOSE
SEVEN WEEKS.

00:29:05.966 --> 00:29:07.900
SO WE DECIDED TO PUSH
THROUGH THE SUMMER.

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:10.366
KEPT SAYING THIS ISN'T A
CHURCH, ISN'T A CHURCH.

00:29:10.466 --> 00:29:13.000
AND THEN PEOPLE STARTED
MOVING DOWN INTO THAT AREA,

00:29:13.100 --> 00:29:15.266
AND WE THOUGHT,
NO, THIS IS A CHURCH.

00:29:15.366 --> 00:29:17.767
WE NEED TO CALL
IT WHAT IT IS.

00:29:17.867 --> 00:29:19.400
AND WE HAD SOME SPIRITUAL
PARENTS THAT HAD MOVED

00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:20.500
DOWN INTO THAT AREA.


00:29:20.600 --> 00:29:21.733
WE TOOK ON THEIR
PRAYER HOURS,

00:29:21.833 --> 00:29:23.333
THEY HAD A PRAYER ROOM
IN THEIR LIVING ROOMS

00:29:23.433 --> 00:29:25.266
SO THAT SET THE TONE
FOR MORNING, NOON,

00:29:25.366 --> 00:29:26.200
AND NIGHT PRAYER,


00:29:26.300 --> 00:29:27.833
WHICH IS WHAT WE DO NOW.


00:29:27.933 --> 00:29:28.767
REBECCA: EVERY DAY?


00:29:28.867 --> 00:29:29.633
MICHAEL: EVERY DAY.


00:29:29.733 --> 00:29:30.499
REBECCA: REALLY?


00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.766
MICHAEL: 6 A.M. TO
8 P.M., WE PRAY.

00:29:34.866 --> 00:29:37.366
WE HAVE FULL SETS, WHICH
INCLUDES ALL THE MUSICIANS

00:29:37.466 --> 00:29:40.233
AND SINGERS
THREE TIMES A DAY,

00:29:40.333 --> 00:29:43.200
BUT THEN THERE'S A LOT OF
SETS HAPPENING IN BETWEEN THEM

00:29:43.300 --> 00:29:44.966
THAT ARE A LITTLE
MORE STRIPPED DOWN.

00:29:45.066 --> 00:29:47.200
SO, YEAH, IT'S BEEN CRAZY,
THE GRACE ON OUR HOUSE

00:29:47.300 --> 00:29:48.366
TO BUILD THAT.


00:29:48.466 --> 00:29:50.966
REBECCA: SO YOU, THAT WAS
THE PEOPLE'S

00:29:51.066 --> 00:29:52.800
PRAYER HOURS ORIGINALLY?


00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:54.299
MICHAEL: MORNING,
NOON, AND NIGHT.

00:29:54.399 --> 00:29:58.433
SO I THINK WHEN YOU GET IN
THE PRAYER REALM WORLD,

00:29:58.533 --> 00:30:02.266
THERE'S A PRESSURE TO DO 24/7,
OR HOW OFTEN ARE YOU PRAYING?

00:30:02.366 --> 00:30:03.866
AND I WAS
READING PSALMS 55,

00:30:03.966 --> 00:30:05.533
I BELIEVE IT'S VERSE 17,
AND IT SAYS, EVENING,

00:30:05.633 --> 00:30:07.366
MORNING, AND NOON,
I CRY OUT TO YOU.

00:30:07.466 --> 00:30:08.133
AND I THOUGHT,
WE CAN DO THAT.

00:30:08.233 --> 00:30:09.166
WE CAN DO
THREE TIMES A DAY.

00:30:09.266 --> 00:30:10.300
REBECCA: THAT'S A LOT.


00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.166
MICHAEL: AND SO -
IT REALLY IS NOW,

00:30:12.266 --> 00:30:15.266
LOOKING AT IT, BUT THERE'S
JUST BEEN SUCH A GRACE

00:30:15.366 --> 00:30:16.200
TO ALL VOLUNTEERS.


00:30:16.300 --> 00:30:17.533
WE PROBABLY HAVE
3, 400 VOLUNTEERS

00:30:17.633 --> 00:30:19.533
THAT ARE SERVING IN
THE PLACE OF PRAYER.

00:30:19.633 --> 00:30:21.900
OUR PRAYER MEETING 12-2 ON
TUESDAY, YESTERDAY,

00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.266
HAD 400 PEOPLE IN IT, SO.


00:30:23.366 --> 00:30:24.500
REBECCA: THAT'S AMAZING.


00:30:24.600 --> 00:30:26.699
MICHAEL: IT'S VIBRANT.
IT'S ALIVE.

00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.099
IT'S A FUN CONTEXT TO DO
LIFE TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE

00:30:30.199 --> 00:30:31.567
AROUND THE PRESENCE
OF GOD, SO.

00:30:31.667 --> 00:30:32.667
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:30:32.767 --> 00:30:33.599
AND I LIKE THAT YOU SAID
THERE'S A GRACE FOR IT.

00:30:33.699 --> 00:30:34.933
IT'S LIKE WHATEVER
GOD CALLS YOU TO DO,

00:30:35.033 --> 00:30:36.100
HE'LL GIVE YOU THE
GRACE TO DO IT.

00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.467
AND YOU'RE NOT DOING IT,
YOU'RE NOT STRIVING,

00:30:38.567 --> 00:30:40.166
YOU'RE DOING IT IN
HIS GRACE, HIS POWER.

00:30:40.266 --> 00:30:42.666
AND IT'S FOR HIS GLORY.


00:30:42.766 --> 00:30:44.000
OKAY.


00:30:44.100 --> 00:30:45.933
SO IT BECOMES A CHURCH.


00:30:46.033 --> 00:30:47.933
HOW LONG INTO IT
DO YOU HAVE --

00:30:48.033 --> 00:30:48.800
MICHAEL:
PROBABLY A YEAR.

00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:49.500
REBECCA: A YEAR?


00:30:49.600 --> 00:30:50.467
MICHAEL: IT WAS A YEAR.


00:30:50.567 --> 00:30:52.500
WE ACKNOWLEDGE, OKAY,
THIS IS A CHURCH,

00:30:52.600 --> 00:30:55.900
WE HAD AN ELDER STRUCTURE
THAT WE PUT IN PLACE

00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.566
AND STARTED TO DO SOME FORM OF
COMMUNITY, BUT, REALLY,

00:30:58.666 --> 00:31:00.966
IT WAS CENTERED
AROUND PRAYER.

00:31:01.066 --> 00:31:06.533
REBECCA: AND THEN WHEN DID Y'ALL
MOVE FROM THIS, THAT UPPERROOM?

00:31:06.633 --> 00:31:09.533
MICHAEL: TO THE DESIGN DISTRICT
NOW WHERE WE'RE AT.

00:31:09.633 --> 00:31:12.566
SO THERE WAS SO MUCH SENTIMENTAL
AND EMOTIONAL CONNECTION

00:31:12.666 --> 00:31:13.666
TO THAT ORIGINAL ROOM


00:31:13.766 --> 00:31:14.633
THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE IT.


00:31:14.733 --> 00:31:15.433
REBECCA: HOW LONG
WERE Y'ALL THERE FOR?

00:31:15.533 --> 00:31:16.366
HOW MANY YEARS?


00:31:16.466 --> 00:31:17.299
MICHAEL: WE WERE
THERE FOR FOUR YEARS.

00:31:17.399 --> 00:31:18.767
2014.


00:31:18.867 --> 00:31:20.133
AND THEN WE MOVED TO
THE DESIGN DISTRICT,

00:31:20.233 --> 00:31:22.800
WHICH IS JUST THE NEXT
NEIGHBORHOOD OVER.

00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:26.233
A VERY URBAN, ARTSY
PART OF THE CITY.

00:31:26.333 --> 00:31:28.967
AND SO WE GOT A
COUPLE OF SUITES THERE

00:31:29.067 --> 00:31:32.166
AND HAVE BEEN DOING THE SAME
THING, JUST IN A NEW LOCATION.

00:31:32.266 --> 00:31:34.133
REBECCA: WHAT WAS
IT LIKE BEING IN,

00:31:34.233 --> 00:31:34.933
FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS,


00:31:35.033 --> 00:31:37.400
WHAT WAS IT LIKE
BEING IN THAT,

00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:39.700
WHAT WAS IT
CALLED, THE GAY...

00:31:39.800 --> 00:31:41.667
MICHAEL: YEAH, THE HOMOSEXUAL
NEIGHBORHOOD, THE GAYBORHOOD.

00:31:41.767 --> 00:31:43.267
REBECCA: YEAH, IN DALLAS.


00:31:43.367 --> 00:31:44.300
WHAT WAS THAT
EXPERIENCE LIKE?

00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.433
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:31:45.533 --> 00:31:47.466
YOU KNOW, I WRESTLED -
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION,

00:31:47.566 --> 00:31:49.267
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.


00:31:49.367 --> 00:31:52.733
IT WAS NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD
I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN.

00:31:52.833 --> 00:31:54.933
LIKE I TOLD THE LORD
MULTIPLE TIMES, LIKE,

00:31:55.033 --> 00:31:57.199
I HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE
BURDENED FOR THIS COMMUNITY,

00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:58.899
BUT I'M NOT.


00:31:58.999 --> 00:32:01.533
LIKE, I LOVE ALL PEOPLE,
BUT THIS JUST -

00:32:01.633 --> 00:32:05.033
THIS ISN'T LIKE, PICK ME.


00:32:05.133 --> 00:32:07.200
REBECCA: YEAH, IT WASN'T
WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE PICKED.

00:32:07.300 --> 00:32:08.599
IT WASN'T WHAT YOU
HAD A BURDEN FOR.

00:32:08.699 --> 00:32:12.033
MICHAEL: I WAS BEING HIT ON,
LIKE AT COFFEE SHOPS.

00:32:12.133 --> 00:32:13.666
AND WE OWNED ONE OF THE
COFFEE SHOPS DOWN THERE,

00:32:13.766 --> 00:32:15.599
WE ENDED UP, IT'S
ANOTHER STORY.

00:32:15.699 --> 00:32:19.400
BUT LIKE, HALF OUR
CLIENTELE WAS HOMOSEXUAL.

00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:24.166
AND SO IT'S JUST A
STRONG CULTURE THERE.

00:32:24.266 --> 00:32:25.500
AND SO I WAS WRESTLING
WITH THE LORD.

00:32:25.600 --> 00:32:27.933
I SAID, LORD, YOU
FOUND THE WRONG GUY.

00:32:28.033 --> 00:32:31.033
LIKE, I JUST -- I WANT TO
MINISTER TO

00:32:31.133 --> 00:32:32.633
PEOPLE LIKE ME, YOU KNOW.


00:32:32.733 --> 00:32:34.700
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I CAN'T
REMEMBER WHAT EXACTLY

00:32:34.800 --> 00:32:37.600
CONVERSATIONS WERE, BUT THE LORD
TOLD ME VERY CLEARLY ONE DAY,

00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:38.833
HE SAID, SON,


00:32:38.933 --> 00:32:41.133
I DIDN'T FIRST CALL YOU
DOWN HERE TO MINISTER TO PEOPLE.

00:32:41.233 --> 00:32:43.366
I CALLED YOU DOWN HERE
TO MINISTER TO ME.

00:32:43.433 --> 00:32:48.133
AND THAT PHRASE, MINISTER
TO ME, BOTHERED ME.

00:32:48.233 --> 00:32:49.867
AND I WENT ON
A JOURNEY OF DISCOVERING

00:32:49.967 --> 00:32:51.633
WHAT MINISTRY TO
THE LORD WAS,

00:32:51.733 --> 00:32:53.867
WHICH WAS SO CRITICAL
TO THE DNA

00:32:53.967 --> 00:32:57.000
THAT WE NOW HAVE
OF FIRST LOVE,

00:32:57.100 --> 00:32:59.333
OF MINISTERING TO
THE LORD AS FIRST LOVE.

00:32:59.433 --> 00:33:01.899
IT'S OFTENTIMES THE WORD
WORSHIP IS TRANSLATED

00:33:01.999 --> 00:33:04.000
IN OLDER VERSIONS
OF THE BIBLE,

00:33:04.100 --> 00:33:07.033
OLDER TRANSLATIONS AS
MINISTER TO THE LORD

00:33:07.133 --> 00:33:08.966
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT
IN THE BIBLE.

00:33:09.066 --> 00:33:10.733
AND SO WE JUST STARTED
LEARNING, OKAY,

00:33:10.833 --> 00:33:12.433
THIS IS OUR
PRIMARY MINISTRY,

00:33:12.533 --> 00:33:14.133
IT IS MINISTERING TO GOD,
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE

00:33:14.233 --> 00:33:17.967
FOR US TO BUILD A CHURCH THAT'S
FIRST ATTRACTIVE TO THE LORD

00:33:18.067 --> 00:33:20.366
BECAUSE OF THE
CONTEXT WE WERE IN.

00:33:20.466 --> 00:33:23.933
AND STRANGELY ENOUGH,
THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY

00:33:24.033 --> 00:33:26.000
STARTED COMING
INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT

00:33:26.100 --> 00:33:28.066
AND ENCOUNTERING GOD.


00:33:28.166 --> 00:33:30.033
BECAUSE THE GOAL WASN'T TO,
QUOTE, UNQUOTE,

00:33:30.133 --> 00:33:31.866
CONVERT THEM.


00:33:31.966 --> 00:33:34.766
IT WAS TO LOVE HIM AND
THEN INTRODUCE THEM

00:33:34.866 --> 00:33:36.200
TO THE ONE
THAT WE WERE LOVING.

00:33:36.300 --> 00:33:39.633
AND SO WE SAW SO MUCH EVANGELISM
IN THE PLACE OF PRAYER

00:33:39.733 --> 00:33:41.200
OR IN THE
PLACE OF WORSHIP.

00:33:41.300 --> 00:33:44.367
PEOPLE COME TO KNOW THE LORD
BECAUSE HE WAS PRESENT IN THERE.

00:33:44.467 --> 00:33:45.500
AND THERE'S SOME AWESOME
TESTIMONIES

00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:46.466
IN THOSE EARLY DAYS


00:33:46.566 --> 00:33:48.200
ABOUT THE
HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY,

00:33:48.300 --> 00:33:49.833
PEOPLE COMING OUT
OF THAT LIFESTYLE.

00:33:49.933 --> 00:33:51.133
SO IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.


00:33:51.233 --> 00:33:52.333
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.


00:33:52.433 --> 00:33:54.600
SO GOD TOOK, HE USED THAT
CONUNDRUM WHERE YOU'RE LIKE,

00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:56.599
WHAT IS
GOING ON HERE,

00:33:56.699 --> 00:33:59.167
FOR HIM TO TEACH
YOU, DO IT FOR ME.

00:33:59.267 --> 00:34:03.599
AND THEN WHEN Y'ALL
SOUGHT HIM, WHEN HE CAME,

00:34:03.699 --> 00:34:05.266
IT ATTRACTED
THAT COMMUNITY

00:34:05.366 --> 00:34:06.567
THAT YOU DIDN'T
HAVE TO STRIVE IN

00:34:06.667 --> 00:34:08.000
OR TRY TO
MAKE THAT HAPPEN,

00:34:08.100 --> 00:34:09.100
OR TRY TO MAKE IT WORK,


00:34:09.200 --> 00:34:10.733
AND YOU SPIRITUALLY
GREW IN AN AREA

00:34:10.833 --> 00:34:13.833
THAT WAS -- WHERE
MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT,

00:34:13.933 --> 00:34:15.400
BECAUSE YOU WERE
SEEKING HIM.

00:34:15.500 --> 00:34:17.900
YOU WEREN'T DOING IT
IN AND OF YOURSELF.

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.766
AND SO THE GAY COMMUNITY
WAS ATTRACTED,

00:34:20.866 --> 00:34:23.033
BECAUSE THE PRESENCE
OF GOD IS ATTRACTIVE,

00:34:23.133 --> 00:34:25.800
ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WHO
ARE EMPTY AND WHO ARE SEEKING

00:34:25.900 --> 00:34:27.600
AND WHO ARE HUNGRY.


00:34:27.700 --> 00:34:29.533
AND IT WILL ATTRACT
ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE.

00:34:29.633 --> 00:34:31.533
SO SHARE MAYBE
A TESTIMONY,

00:34:31.633 --> 00:34:32.433
ONE OF YOUR FAVORITES.


00:34:32.533 --> 00:34:33.366
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:34:33.466 --> 00:34:35.633
I THINK FIRST LOVE,
THAT ADORATION,

00:34:35.733 --> 00:34:37.600
A GROUP OF
PEOPLE DOING IT,

00:34:37.700 --> 00:34:40.267
IT PROVOKES SOMETHING
IN THOSE AROUND IT.

00:34:40.367 --> 00:34:42.566
THEY EITHER RUN FROM
IT OR RUN TO IT.

00:34:42.666 --> 00:34:45.167
THERE'S NO NEUTRAL
GROUND IN IT.

00:34:45.267 --> 00:34:46.333
AND SO, YEAH.


00:34:46.433 --> 00:34:48.966
WE HAD A COUPLE OF TESTIMONIES
IN THOSE EARLY DAYS.

00:34:49.066 --> 00:34:51.833
ONE OF MY FAVORITES WAS
A MAN WHO,

00:34:51.933 --> 00:34:57.766
HE WAS A DRAG QUEEN IN OAK LAWN
THAT MADE A LIVING

00:34:57.866 --> 00:35:04.033
FROM TRAVELING FROM PARADE
TO PARADE IN THIS WORLD.

00:35:04.133 --> 00:35:08.800
HE HAD A NAME THAT WENT
WITH HIS DRAG QUEEN PERSONA

00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:10.133
AND ALL THAT, YEAH.


00:35:10.233 --> 00:35:12.733
AND ANYWAYS, HE HAD A
SOVEREIGN ENCOUNTER WITH GOD

00:35:12.833 --> 00:35:16.333
IN HIS LIVING ROOM, AND SOMEONE
TOLD HIM ABOUT OUR CHURCH,

00:35:16.433 --> 00:35:18.066
AND HE HAD BEEN
ATTENDING OUR CHURCH

00:35:18.166 --> 00:35:21.800
FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS
PRIOR TO ME MEETING HIM.

00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:24.000
AND IT WAS SUNDAYS
IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,

00:35:24.100 --> 00:35:26.366
THERE WAS ONE SUNDAY A YEAR
WHERE THE GAY PRIDE PARADE

00:35:26.466 --> 00:35:28.433
WOULD BE IN
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

00:35:28.533 --> 00:35:30.300
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE COME DOWN.

00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.833
IT'S WILD.


00:35:31.933 --> 00:35:34.099
THE PARADE ENDS AT 4:00,
OUR CHURCH STARTS AT 5:00.

00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.166
SO IT WAS ALWAYS A
UNIQUE SUNDAY NIGHT.

00:35:36.266 --> 00:35:37.200
WE PREACHED THE GOSPEL,


00:35:37.300 --> 00:35:39.200
BUT IT WAS AFTER
ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS

00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.767
THAT THIS MAN
APPROACHED ME AND SAID,

00:35:40.867 --> 00:35:42.200
HEY, YOU NEED TO
KNOW MY STORY.

00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:44.133
I WAS IN THE PARADE.


00:35:44.233 --> 00:35:45.466
I WAS IN IT LAST YEAR,


00:35:45.566 --> 00:35:47.166
AND I'VE SINCE GIVEN
MY LIFE TO JESUS,

00:35:47.266 --> 00:35:48.533
I'M A PART
OF YOUR CHURCH.

00:35:48.633 --> 00:35:49.466
AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID,


00:35:49.566 --> 00:35:51.967
WHAT IS IT THAT
YOU'VE EXPERIENCED?

00:35:52.067 --> 00:35:54.133
AND HE TALKED ABOUT
THE PRESENCE OF GOD.

00:35:54.233 --> 00:35:55.666
HE SAID, WHEN YOU
GUYS START SINGING,

00:35:55.766 --> 00:35:58.733
I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S
EMBRACING ME,

00:35:58.833 --> 00:36:02.333
I FEEL LIKE I'M
ENCOUNTERING THAT PERSON

00:36:02.433 --> 00:36:04.999
THAT I ENCOUNTERED
IN THE LIVING ROOM.

00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:07.733
AND SO THAT BEGAN HIS
DISCIPLESHIP PROGRAM,

00:36:07.833 --> 00:36:10.100
WAS COMING TO PRAYER AND
ENGAGING GOD'S PRESENCE.

00:36:10.200 --> 00:36:13.666
AND NOW HE'S BEEN WALKING WITH
THE LORD FOR ALMOST A DECADE.

00:36:13.766 --> 00:36:14.766
REBECCA: I LOVE THAT.


00:36:14.866 --> 00:36:16.100
MICHAEL: IT'S A REALLY
COOL, COOL STORY, YEAH.

00:36:16.200 --> 00:36:19.300
REBECCA: WHAT WAS IT LIKE GOING
FROM THE BUILDING IN DALLAS

00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.066
TO THE DESIGN
DISTRICT IN DALLAS?

00:36:22.166 --> 00:36:23.633
WHAT -- DID YOU
SEE A SHIFT?

00:36:23.733 --> 00:36:24.799
MICHAEL: WE DID.


00:36:24.899 --> 00:36:26.600
WE DIDN'T, SO IN THE EARLY
DAYS, WE DIDN'T DO MEDIA.

00:36:26.700 --> 00:36:28.799
WE DIDN'T HAVE A WEBSITE,
WE DIDN'T DO FACEBOOK,

00:36:28.899 --> 00:36:30.267
WE DID NO SOCIALS.


00:36:30.367 --> 00:36:33.033
WE FELT FROM THE LORD REALLY
CLEARLY, DON'T MARK IT.

00:36:33.133 --> 00:36:35.833
SO IT WAS CALLED UPPERROOM
BECAUSE THE BUILDING

00:36:35.933 --> 00:36:38.366
WAS ORIGINALLY DESCRIBED
AS AN UPPERROOM

00:36:38.466 --> 00:36:41.866
BY THE LEADER,
OR THE BUSINESS OWNER.

00:36:41.966 --> 00:36:45.733
IN 2016, WE HAD
A WORD FROM A FRIEND

00:36:45.833 --> 00:36:47.466
THAT THE LORD WAS PUTTING
IN HDMI CABLE

00:36:47.566 --> 00:36:48.867
AND READY TO SPEAK
THROUGH MEDIA.

00:36:48.967 --> 00:36:51.767
SO WE GOT
A YOUTUBE CHANNEL

00:36:51.867 --> 00:36:53.900
AND JUST STARTED PUTTING
MOMENTS OF OUR CULTURE,

00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:55.733
WORSHIP CULTURE, ONLINE,


00:36:55.833 --> 00:36:58.566
AND IT JUST WENT BONKERS.


00:36:58.666 --> 00:37:01.600
LIKE, I THINK THE SECOND
OR THIRD MOMENT

00:37:01.700 --> 00:37:02.666
HAD MILLIONS OF VIEWS


00:37:02.766 --> 00:37:04.133
WITHIN A
COUPLE OF WEEKS.

00:37:04.233 --> 00:37:05.166
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.


00:37:05.266 --> 00:37:06.300
MICHAEL: ONE
OF THEM WAS A,

00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:07.933
ONE OF THE EARLY
MOMENTS THAT WE DID,

00:37:08.033 --> 00:37:11.933
IT WAS A SPONTANEOUS SONG
THAT ALYSSA SMITH CAME UP

00:37:12.033 --> 00:37:14.033
AND TOLD THE BAND
WHAT KEY TO PLAY,

00:37:14.133 --> 00:37:15.033
BUT THEY HAD
NEVER PLAYED IT,

00:37:15.133 --> 00:37:16.766
SHE HAD NEVER SUNG IT
OUTSIDE OF

00:37:16.866 --> 00:37:18.500
A PRAYER MEETING BY HERSELF.


00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:19.700
MAYBE HER BROTHER
WAS THERE,

00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:22.666
BUT IT WAS AN EMPTY ROOM
THAT SHE HAD GOTTEN THIS SONG,

00:37:22.766 --> 00:37:24.100
JUST MINISTERING TO
THE LORD AND SINGING TO HIM,

00:37:24.200 --> 00:37:25.466
BUT IT WAS SURROUNDED.


00:37:25.566 --> 00:37:26.500
IT MAY LOOK LIKE
I'M SURROUNDED,

00:37:26.600 --> 00:37:27.366
BUT I'M SURROUNDED BY YOU.


00:37:27.466 --> 00:37:28.933
THIS IS HOW I
FIGHT MY BATTLES.

00:37:29.033 --> 00:37:31.666
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE
FIRST FIVE OR SIX MOMENTS

00:37:31.766 --> 00:37:32.833
THAT WE PUT OUT THERE.


00:37:32.933 --> 00:37:34.266
AND MICHAEL W. SMITH CALLED
AND HE WAS LIKE, HEY,

00:37:34.366 --> 00:37:37.533
WE'RE MISSING ONE SONG ON
THIS NEXT WORSHIP ALBUM.

00:37:37.633 --> 00:37:40.333
WE THINK THIS IS IT.


00:37:40.433 --> 00:37:45.233
AND SO WE CONNECTED HIM TO
ALYSSA AND SHE JOURNEYED

00:37:45.333 --> 00:37:47.433
WITH MICHAEL W. AND HE
CALLED HIS ALBUM

00:37:47.533 --> 00:37:50.000
<i>SURROUNDED,
</i> BASED ON THAT SONG.

00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:51.499
REBECCA: YEAH, I KNOW THE
ALBUM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.567
MICHAEL: YEAH, IT WAS
CRAZY HOW THE LORD JUST

00:37:54.667 --> 00:37:57.567
PUT A WINDOW ON THIS
LITTLE COMMUNITY

00:37:57.667 --> 00:38:01.333
THAT HAD BEEN
MINISTERING TO HIM.

00:38:01.433 --> 00:38:07.600
WE HAD NO DESIRE TO REALLY
CREATE WHAT'S BEEN CREATED.

00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:09.300
I JUST WANTED TO
BUILD A CULTURE

00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.100
THAT WAS FOR THE PRESENCE
OF GOD, BUT I REALLY,

00:38:11.200 --> 00:38:13.333
REALLY SEE NOW HOW THE LORD'S
FINGERPRINTS WERE

00:38:13.433 --> 00:38:16.467
ON THOSE BEGINNINGS AND
THE DNA WAS PUTTING INSIDE OF US

00:38:16.567 --> 00:38:20.700
AND REALLY, I THINK, BRINGING
THIS TO THE CHURCH AT LARGE.

00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.766
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:38:21.866 --> 00:38:23.633
AND WHAT'S COOL IS WHEN
THE TIME WAS RIGHT,

00:38:23.733 --> 00:38:26.199
WHEN THINGS WERE ESTABLISHED
AND WHEN THE TIME WAS RIGHT,

00:38:26.299 --> 00:38:27.766
HE OPENED
THAT DOOR SO HE COULD

00:38:27.866 --> 00:38:31.400
EXPAND WHAT WAS GOING ON
TO A BIGGER AUDIENCE.

00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:33.766
BUT WHAT I LOVE IS JUST
YOUR STORY IS REALLY -

00:38:33.866 --> 00:38:35.700
WHAT'S COOL ABOUT IT IS
JUST A SPIRIT-LED STORY

00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.033
OF HOW GOD
IS VERY INTENTIONAL

00:38:37.133 --> 00:38:39.300
AND HE DOES THE RIGHT THING
AT THE RIGHT TIME,

00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.267
AND YOU HONORED THAT.


00:38:41.367 --> 00:38:43.766
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT,
THERE WAS THIS POSITIVE IMPACT,

00:38:43.866 --> 00:38:45.100
AND IT
WASN'T SOMETHING --

00:38:45.200 --> 00:38:48.266
IT'S SOMETHING THAT ADDED TO
INSTEAD OF TAKING AWAY.

00:38:48.366 --> 00:38:49.833
BECAUSE YOU DID IT
IN THE RIGHT TIME,

00:38:49.933 --> 00:38:50.900
WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL.


00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:51.867
MICHAEL: RIGHT.


00:38:51.967 --> 00:38:53.266
REBECCA: SO THAT
IS A HUGE SHIFT.

00:38:53.366 --> 00:38:55.066
AND I KNOW THAT, BECAUSE
I'VE BEEN TO YOUR CHURCH,

00:38:55.166 --> 00:38:57.933
IT'S A GREAT CHURCH, THAT
IT'S BEEN BOOMING,

00:38:58.033 --> 00:39:00.867
LIKE IT'S SO, THANK GOD YOU
MOVED TO THAT BUILDING

00:39:00.967 --> 00:39:03.567
BECAUSE THAT BUILDING
IS ABOUT TO

00:39:03.667 --> 00:39:04.667
OVERFLOW, OVERFLOW.


00:39:04.767 --> 00:39:06.966
MICHAEL: IT'S
FULL NOW, SO, YEAH,

00:39:07.066 --> 00:39:08.733
IT'S BEEN A BLESSING AND
THEN SUCH A CHALLENGE TOO

00:39:08.833 --> 00:39:10.100
JUST WITH SO MANY PEOPLE.


00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:10.866
REBECCA: HOW MANY YEARS
HAVE YOU BEEN

00:39:10.966 --> 00:39:12.233
IN THAT BUILDING NOW?


00:39:12.333 --> 00:39:14.600
MICHAEL: WE
GOT IN IN '14.

00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:15.966
SO I BELIEVE IT WAS '14.


00:39:16.066 --> 00:39:16.867
REBECCA: SO ALMOST...


00:39:16.967 --> 00:39:17.933
MICHAEL: ABOUT
SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.

00:39:18.033 --> 00:39:19.133
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:39:19.233 --> 00:39:21.400
MICHAEL: SO,
NO, IT'S '16.

00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:23.233
WE PLANTED A CHURCH
IN DENVER IN '14.

00:39:23.333 --> 00:39:24.700
SO IT WAS '16.


00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.000
SO THAT'S SEVEN YEARS.


00:39:27.100 --> 00:39:31.533
AND WE'RE - NEW BUILDING,
HOPEFULLY EARLY SPRING.

00:39:31.633 --> 00:39:32.633
REBECCA: ARE YOU GOING
TO BE STILL IN

00:39:32.733 --> 00:39:33.933
THE DALLAS AREA,
THE NEW BUILDING?

00:39:34.033 --> 00:39:34.966
MICHAEL: SOUTH OF TOWN.


00:39:35.066 --> 00:39:36.500
IT'S IN THE CEDARS,
WHICH IS STILL IN

00:39:36.600 --> 00:39:38.267
URBAN DOWNTOWN AREA.


00:39:38.367 --> 00:39:39.433
A LITTLE MORE
INNER CITIES,

00:39:39.533 --> 00:39:41.833
SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES
TO REACH OUR CITY,

00:39:41.933 --> 00:39:44.600
THE SOUTH OF TOWN.


00:39:44.700 --> 00:39:46.400
AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT
THOSE OPPORTUNITIES,

00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:47.966
BUT WE'LL BE DOING
THE SAME THING.

00:39:48.066 --> 00:39:48.800
[ LAUGHING ]


00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:49.633
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:39:49.733 --> 00:39:50.766
MICHAEL: MORNING,
NOON, AND NIGHT.

00:39:50.866 --> 00:39:52.466
REBECCA: YOU'RE STILL -
IT'S STILL THAT SAME DNA.

00:39:52.566 --> 00:39:53.466
MICHAEL: IT'S
REAL SIMPLE.

00:39:53.566 --> 00:39:54.367
REBECCA: DO YOU
THINK IT'S GOING TO BE,

00:39:54.467 --> 00:39:55.033
THERE'S GOING TO BE
A SHIFT THERE

00:39:55.133 --> 00:39:56.600
WITH THAT NEW BUILDING?


00:39:56.700 --> 00:39:58.200
MICHAEL: I HOPE NOT.


00:39:58.300 --> 00:40:00.466
I THINK WHAT WE DO IS,
WE DON'T DO A LOT WELL,

00:40:00.566 --> 00:40:03.233
BUT WE DO THIS ONE THING
FAIRLY WELL, AND SO -

00:40:03.333 --> 00:40:04.533
REBECCA: WHICH IS HOSTING
THE PRESENCE OF GOD.

00:40:04.633 --> 00:40:05.933
MICHAEL: JUST
MORE OF THE SAME.

00:40:06.033 --> 00:40:07.433
AND IT DOES BURST
STRATEGIES,

00:40:07.533 --> 00:40:10.099
AND SO I'LL BE INTERESTED
TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF

00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:11.633
OUR INITIAL DAYS AND
HOW TO REACH

00:40:11.733 --> 00:40:14.333
THAT DEMOGRAPHIC THERE.


00:40:14.433 --> 00:40:16.300
IT'S MINORITIES, THERE'S A
LOT OF AFRICAN AMERICAN,

00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.433
A LOT OF LATINOS THAT
I'M STOKED TO HAVE.

00:40:19.533 --> 00:40:21.333
WE HAVE A PRETTY
DIVERSE COMMUNITY NOW,

00:40:21.433 --> 00:40:23.633
BUT I JUST REALLY HAVE
A PASSION FOR

00:40:23.733 --> 00:40:24.833
THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN,


00:40:24.933 --> 00:40:25.700
AND SO IT'S GOING
TO BE COOL TO SEE

00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:26.666
HOW WE CAN REACH THEM.


00:40:26.766 --> 00:40:27.900
REBECCA: THAT'S
SO AWESOME.

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.700
SO HOW - WHEN IS
THE PROJECTED TIME?

00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.100
MICHAEL: PENTECOST
OF 2024.

00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:37.266
REBECCA: OH, I
HOPE IT HAPPENS.

00:40:37.366 --> 00:40:38.033
THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.


00:40:38.133 --> 00:40:39.067
MICHAEL: UPPERROOM, PENTECOST,


00:40:39.167 --> 00:40:40.433
IT'S ALWAYS -
I TELL PEOPLE,

00:40:40.533 --> 00:40:41.967
DON'T NAME YOUR CHURCH
UPPERROOM BECAUSE

00:40:42.067 --> 00:40:44.233
PENTECOST IS ONCE
A YEAR EVERY YEAR,

00:40:44.333 --> 00:40:45.699
AND BIG THINGS
BETTER HAPPEN.

00:40:45.799 --> 00:40:47.299
[ LAUGHING ]


00:40:47.399 --> 00:40:49.300
MICHAEL: HOLY SPIRIT
BETTER BE PRESENT.

00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.367
SO HOPEFULLY THAT
WILL BE A GOOD WAY

00:40:52.467 --> 00:40:53.799
TO KICK OFF OUR NEW HOME.


00:40:53.899 --> 00:40:56.067
REBECCA: THAT'S
SO AWESOME.

00:40:56.167 --> 00:40:58.766
WHAT LESSONS CAN WE
LEARN FROM DAVID

00:40:58.866 --> 00:41:01.333
WITH HIS SINGLE-MINDED
FOCUS ON GOD?

00:41:01.433 --> 00:41:02.867
MICHAEL: YEAH.


00:41:02.967 --> 00:41:05.333
I LOVE THE STORY OF DAVID.


00:41:05.433 --> 00:41:06.133
REBECCA: ME TOO.


00:41:06.233 --> 00:41:07.266
IT'S MY FAVORITE.


00:41:07.366 --> 00:41:09.667
MICHAEL: HE'S ESTEEMED,
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DAVID,

00:41:09.767 --> 00:41:11.000
A LOT OF TIMES,
WE TALK ABOUT

00:41:11.100 --> 00:41:12.833
JUST THE HALLMARK OF
HIS LEADERSHIP.

00:41:12.933 --> 00:41:15.600
HE WAS PROBABLY THE
GREATEST LEADER

00:41:15.700 --> 00:41:17.833
IN ISRAEL'S HISTORY.


00:41:17.933 --> 00:41:22.300
AND SO WE TALK ABOUT HIS
RESUME, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.400
BUT SOMETIMES
I THINK WE MISS

00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:28.000
WHAT MADE DAVID, DAVID.


00:41:28.100 --> 00:41:29.900
IT WASN'T JUST THE
SKILLS THAT HE CARRIED,

00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.366
IT WASN'T JUST THAT HE
COULD DEFEAT GIANTS.

00:41:34.466 --> 00:41:35.866
THERE'S A LOT TO
STUDY OUT OF HIS LIFE,

00:41:35.966 --> 00:41:37.933
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS

00:41:38.033 --> 00:41:41.666
IS A PSALM THAT SOLOMON
WROTE, THEY THINK,

00:41:41.766 --> 00:41:44.466
IT WAS PSALMS 132.


00:41:44.566 --> 00:41:47.066
AND I CALL IT THE MOUNT
EVEREST OF THE SALTER,

00:41:47.166 --> 00:41:49.700
SO IF THE PSALMS
CHAPTERS WERE MOUNTAINS,

00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:51.733
I WOULD SAY PSALMS 132
IS THE HIGHEST

00:41:51.833 --> 00:41:54.333
JUST TO UNDERSTAND DAVID,


00:41:54.433 --> 00:41:55.566
BECAUSE DAVID WAS
RESPONSIBLE FOR

00:41:55.666 --> 00:41:57.967
MOST OF THE PSALMS
BEING WRITTEN.

00:41:58.067 --> 00:41:59.266
AND HE MADE A
VOW WITH GOD.

00:41:59.366 --> 00:42:00.533
WE DON'T KNOW WHEN
HE MADE A VOW,

00:42:00.633 --> 00:42:02.966
BUT I'M ASSUMING IT WAS
IN THOSE EARLY SHEEP DAYS

00:42:03.066 --> 00:42:03.967
WHEN HE WAS A SHEPHERD,


00:42:04.067 --> 00:42:05.933
BUT HE MADE A VOW
IN VERSE 5

00:42:06.033 --> 00:42:08.733
THAT HE WOULD FIND A
RESTING PLACE FOR THE LORD.

00:42:08.833 --> 00:42:10.467
AND I THINK THAT
MARKED HIS LIFE.

00:42:10.567 --> 00:42:13.766
I THINK HE WAS MARKED BY
THIS PURSUIT

00:42:13.866 --> 00:42:16.400
TO FIND A RESTING PLACE
FOR THE LORD,

00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:19.000
AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS
JUST DAVID'S DESIRE.

00:42:19.100 --> 00:42:22.166
I THINK HE FOUND THE
SUPREME DESIRE IN GOD.

00:42:22.266 --> 00:42:26.133
AND THAT PUT A GRACE ON
HIS LIFE AND LEADERSHIP

00:42:26.233 --> 00:42:29.466
TO BE WHO HE WOULD BECOME.


00:42:29.566 --> 00:42:31.633
AND JESUS WILL SIT ON
THE THRONE OF DAVID.

00:42:31.733 --> 00:42:35.566
THE DAVIDIC COVENANT, IT'S
SIGNIFICANT THEOLOGICALLY,

00:42:35.666 --> 00:42:38.766
BUT I THINK DISCOVERING
WHAT MADE DAVID, DAVID

00:42:38.866 --> 00:42:43.500
IN PSALMS 132 IS, TO ME,
JUST QUINTESSENTIAL.

00:42:43.600 --> 00:42:46.133
IT'S LIKE THE
MARK OF DAVID,

00:42:46.233 --> 00:42:48.633
EVEN WHEN HE STOOD UP
BEFORE THE NATION OF ISRAEL

00:42:48.733 --> 00:42:50.933
AS KING BOTH OVER
JUDAH AND ISRAEL

00:42:51.033 --> 00:42:53.866
IN 1 CHRONICLES 13:3,
HE SAYS,

00:42:53.966 --> 00:42:55.233
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE
GOING TO DO.

00:42:55.333 --> 00:42:56.933
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO UNDER MY LEADERSHIP.

00:42:57.033 --> 00:42:58.967
WE'RE GOING TO SEEK
THE ARK OF GOD

00:42:59.067 --> 00:43:01.200
FOR WE DIDN'T IN THE
DAYS OF SAUL.

00:43:01.300 --> 00:43:02.333
THIS IS WHAT'S
DIFFERENT ABOUT ME.

00:43:02.433 --> 00:43:04.700
I AM SEEKING
THIS ONE THING.

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.867
AND I THINK GOD'S RAISING
UP DAVIDS TODAY

00:43:06.967 --> 00:43:08.867
THAT ARE GOING TO PUT
THE ARK OF GOD

00:43:08.967 --> 00:43:10.300
BEFORE THE PEOPLE OF GOD.


00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.233
THEY'RE NOT GOING
TO TAKE GOD'S PLACE.

00:43:12.333 --> 00:43:17.733
AND I THINK WE'VE ANOINTED
MEN AND LOOKED TO MEN,

00:43:17.833 --> 00:43:21.100
THEIR LEADERSHIP SKILLS,
THEIR LEADERSHIP GIFTINGS,

00:43:21.200 --> 00:43:26.500
AND WE'RE - I THINK WE
NEED MORE THAN THAT.

00:43:26.600 --> 00:43:28.999
WE NEED MORE THAN JUST
GOOD LEADERS IN THE CHURCH.

00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:30.733
WE NEED THE
LEADERSHIP OF JESUS.

00:43:30.833 --> 00:43:31.933
AND I THINK -


00:43:32.033 --> 00:43:33.133
REBECCA: HE'S THE
HEAD OF THE CHURCH.

00:43:33.233 --> 00:43:35.900
MICHAEL: RESTING PLACES
FOR HIM WILL ESTABLISH THAT.

00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:36.833
SO I'M REALLY
PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

00:43:36.933 --> 00:43:38.033
REBECCA: WE'RE
DOING A DISSERVICE,

00:43:38.133 --> 00:43:40.100
EVEN THOUGH IT'S
WELL-INTENDED,

00:43:40.200 --> 00:43:41.133
WE'RE DOING PEOPLE
A DISSERVICE

00:43:41.233 --> 00:43:43.500
IF WE'RE HAVING
PEOPLE LOOK TO MEN.

00:43:43.600 --> 00:43:45.467
THEY CAN'T JUST BE MEN.


00:43:45.567 --> 00:43:47.833
WE HAVE TO BE LED,
LIKE YOU SAID, BY JESUS,

00:43:47.933 --> 00:43:51.266
AND WE HAVE TO LET HIS
CHURCHES BE A HOUSE

00:43:51.366 --> 00:43:53.133
FOR HIS PRESENCE.


00:43:53.233 --> 00:43:55.000
AND WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY TO PEOPLE

00:43:55.066 --> 00:43:58.500
WHO MAYBE HAVE LOST SIGHT
OF THAT IN THEIR CHURCH?

00:43:58.600 --> 00:44:04.633
MICHAEL: I THINK THE CALL
IN THIS HOUR IS SIMPLICITY.

00:44:04.733 --> 00:44:08.533
I THINK THINGS CULTURALLY
ARE SO COMPLEX.

00:44:08.633 --> 00:44:12.600
WHEN PEOPLE WALK OUT OF
THE WALLS OF A CHURCH

00:44:12.700 --> 00:44:13.999
AND WHAT THEY SEE
ON THEIR PHONES,

00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.800
WHAT THEY SEE ON
THEIR TELEVISIONS,

00:44:16.900 --> 00:44:18.666
THERE'S SO MANY
COMPLEXITIES.

00:44:18.766 --> 00:44:23.100
THERE'S QUESTIONS,
SEXUALITY, GENDER,

00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:26.900
JUST THE VARIOUS THINGS
THAT YOUNG PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY,

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:27.867
ARE STRUGGLING WITH,


00:44:27.967 --> 00:44:29.600
AND I THINK INSIDE
THE CHURCH WALLS,

00:44:29.700 --> 00:44:32.067
IT HAS TO GET SIMPLE.


00:44:32.167 --> 00:44:35.100
AND I THINK IT'S
2 CORINTHIANS 11:3,

00:44:35.200 --> 00:44:38.133
PAUL SAID, I'M CALLING YOU
BACK TO THE SIMPLICITY

00:44:38.233 --> 00:44:40.733
AND PURITY OF DEVOTING
YOURSELF TO JESUS.

00:44:40.833 --> 00:44:44.766
AND I THINK THERE'S A
REAL NEED FOR SIMPLICITY,

00:44:44.866 --> 00:44:47.567
BUT WITH SIMPLICITY
COMES PURITY, TOO.

00:44:47.667 --> 00:44:51.467
AND SO I THINK I'M
WATCHING GEN Z,

00:44:51.567 --> 00:44:52.966
MILLENNIALS, YOUNG PEOPLE,


00:44:53.066 --> 00:44:55.933
COME INTO AN ENVIRONMENT
THAT'S REALLY SIMPLE,

00:44:56.033 --> 00:44:58.466
IT'S REALLY SINGULAR
IN WHAT WE DO,

00:44:58.566 --> 00:45:01.566
BUT IT'S UNLOCKING
SOMETHING IN THEIR HEART.

00:45:01.666 --> 00:45:05.467
AND PUTTING THE BIBLICAL
NARRATIVE BEFORE THEM

00:45:05.567 --> 00:45:07.233
IN THAT CONTEXT,


00:45:07.333 --> 00:45:10.766
HAS BROUGHT
A CONVICTION THAT IS

00:45:10.866 --> 00:45:13.433
CHANGING THEIR LIVES AND
THEY'RE REALLY LINING UP

00:45:13.533 --> 00:45:15.400
THEIR LIVES WITH THE
AUTHORITY OF THE WORD,

00:45:15.500 --> 00:45:17.200
THE AUTHORITY OF
THE SCRIPTURES,

00:45:17.300 --> 00:45:19.933
GETTING IN COMMUNITY,
DOING LIFE TOGETHER.

00:45:20.033 --> 00:45:23.500
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE
THE BIBLE IS REALLY CLEAR

00:45:23.600 --> 00:45:24.867
AND REALLY SIMPLE AROUND


00:45:24.967 --> 00:45:27.267
WHAT WE AS HIS PEOPLE
NEED TO BE DOING.

00:45:27.367 --> 00:45:30.766
AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE
LEADERS, LIKE JUST GET BACK

00:45:30.866 --> 00:45:34.700
TO THE SIMPLICITY AND PURITY OF
MAKING IT ABOUT JESUS,

00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.933
PREACHING JESUS, PREACHING
THE GOSPEL REGULARLY,

00:45:39.033 --> 00:45:40.600
NOT SHYING AWAY FROM
SOME OF THESE

00:45:40.700 --> 00:45:43.966
CULTURAL JUST BABBLES THAT
ARE ATTEMPTING TO

00:45:44.066 --> 00:45:45.866
HIJACK SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE.


00:45:45.966 --> 00:45:47.500
WE NEED TO SPEAK CLEARLY
ABOUT SEXUALITY,

00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:49.366
CLEARLY ABOUT GENDER.


00:45:49.466 --> 00:45:51.699
THESE THINGS, THE BIBLE
IS VERY CLEAR ON IT,

00:45:51.799 --> 00:45:54.433
AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE
SHOULD SHY AWAY FROM IT.

00:45:54.533 --> 00:45:56.233
BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF
AN ENVIRONMENT

00:45:56.333 --> 00:45:58.666
THAT'S HOSTING THE
PRESENCE OF GOD,

00:45:58.766 --> 00:46:01.266
BECAUSE I THINK IT GIVES
THEM A CONTEXT

00:46:01.366 --> 00:46:02.966
WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY
HEAR WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

00:46:03.066 --> 00:46:03.933
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.


00:46:04.033 --> 00:46:06.367
SIMPLICITY ALSO,
I THINK, TO ME,

00:46:06.467 --> 00:46:09.133
WHAT COMES TO MIND WITH
SIMPLICITY IS REST

00:46:09.233 --> 00:46:11.066
AND ALSO HUMILITY.


00:46:11.166 --> 00:46:13.166
WHEN YOU MAKE THINGS
COMPLEX AND YOU MAKE IT

00:46:13.266 --> 00:46:14.533
ABOUT ALL THAT YOU KNOW,


00:46:14.633 --> 00:46:16.500
IT'S THIS KNOWLEDGE
PUFFS US UP.

00:46:16.600 --> 00:46:18.100
BUT WHEN YOU HUMBLE
YOURSELF BEFORE HIM

00:46:18.200 --> 00:46:19.666
AND YOU SEEK HIM
IN SIMPLICITY

00:46:19.766 --> 00:46:21.767
AND YOU DON'T MAKE IT
ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO

00:46:21.867 --> 00:46:23.633
BUT ABOUT WHAT
HE DID FOR US,

00:46:23.733 --> 00:46:24.933
IT'S REALLY BECAUSE WHAT -


00:46:25.033 --> 00:46:26.766
HE DID THE COMPLICATED
PART FOR US

00:46:26.866 --> 00:46:30.299
THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY
SEEK HIM IN SIMPLICITY.

00:46:30.399 --> 00:46:33.333
HE MADE THE WAY
FOR US SIMPLE.

00:46:33.433 --> 00:46:38.400
HE'S THE WAY, THE TRUTH,
THE LIGHT, RIGHT.

00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:40.166
AND THAT HE WANTS
US TO SEEK -

00:46:40.266 --> 00:46:41.467
HE WANTS IT TO BE SIMPLE
BECAUSE HE WANTS US

00:46:41.567 --> 00:46:42.600
TO BE WITH HIM.


00:46:42.700 --> 00:46:45.700
WE JUST SEEK HIM IN
SIMPLICITY AND HUMILITY,

00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.433
AND HE WILL MEET US.


00:46:47.533 --> 00:46:50.100
AND AS YOU GO THROUGH
YOUR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE,

00:46:50.200 --> 00:46:52.333
YOU BUILD THIS RELATIONSHIP


00:46:52.433 --> 00:46:54.700
THAT IT'S EASY TO COME
INTO HIS PRESENCE,

00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.766
IT'S EASY TO HEAR
HIS VOICE.

00:46:56.866 --> 00:46:59.200
IT'S EASY.


00:46:59.300 --> 00:47:01.500
AND WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR
CHURCH ABOUT

00:47:01.600 --> 00:47:02.933
MINISTERING TO HIM,


00:47:03.033 --> 00:47:04.533
ONE OF THE
THINGS YOU'VE SAID IS,

00:47:04.633 --> 00:47:07.866
IT'S NOT - LOVING GOD,
I HAVE IT HERE, IT SAYS,

00:47:07.966 --> 00:47:09.367
LOVING PEOPLE IS
NOT LOVING GOD.

00:47:09.467 --> 00:47:10.833
LOVING GOD IS LOVING GOD.


00:47:10.933 --> 00:47:12.933
AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY
IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE

00:47:13.033 --> 00:47:15.033
BECAUSE I THINK
PEOPLE TWIST

00:47:15.133 --> 00:47:16.199
OR THEY SWITCH IT UP.


00:47:16.299 --> 00:47:18.099
THEY THINK I NEED TO
LOVE PEOPLE FIRST,

00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:19.300
BUT WE NEED TO
LOVE GOD FIRST.

00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:21.466
MICHAEL: YES.


00:47:21.566 --> 00:47:22.467
I THINK THAT IS SPOT ON.


00:47:22.567 --> 00:47:26.400
WE'VE EXCHANGED THE
FIRST COMMANDMENT -

00:47:26.500 --> 00:47:28.400
WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO FULFILL
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT

00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:29.399
BY DOING THE SECOND.


00:47:29.499 --> 00:47:31.400
SO JESUS WAS REALLY
CLEAR IN PRIORITY,

00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:33.466
FIRST AND FOREMOST,
IS TO LOVE GOD,

00:47:33.566 --> 00:47:35.466
AND THEN LOVING PEOPLE.


00:47:35.566 --> 00:47:38.067
AND SO I'VE TALKED ABOUT
MY WIFE A LOT.

00:47:38.167 --> 00:47:40.233
TONIGHT, WEDNESDAY NIGHT,


00:47:40.333 --> 00:47:41.866
WHICH IS THE HOLIEST
OF HOLY NIGHTS

00:47:41.966 --> 00:47:44.166
IN THE MILLER HOUSEHOLD,
IS DATE NIGHT,

00:47:44.266 --> 00:47:46.333
WHICH MEANS I'M
TAKING MY WIFE OUT,

00:47:46.433 --> 00:47:49.167
AND IT WILL BE A
DEVOTED TIME TO HER.

00:47:49.267 --> 00:47:50.733
AND SO SHE'S NOT
HERE, I LOVE HER,

00:47:50.833 --> 00:47:52.967
I CAN SPEAK HIGHLY
OF HER AND I LOVE HER

00:47:53.067 --> 00:47:54.166
IN A LOT OF CONTEXT


00:47:54.266 --> 00:47:56.067
IN A LOT OF WAYS,
BUT WEDNESDAY NIGHT

00:47:56.167 --> 00:47:58.833
IS ME DEVOTING TIME
TO LOVING HER.

00:47:58.933 --> 00:48:00.033
I KNOW WHAT SHE LIKES,


00:48:00.133 --> 00:48:03.500
I KNOW MOST LIKELY WHERE
SHE'S GOING TO WANT TO GO EAT

00:48:03.600 --> 00:48:05.533
AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO,


00:48:05.633 --> 00:48:06.766
AND IT'S GOING TO
BE A TIME OF CONNECTION,

00:48:06.866 --> 00:48:09.867
AND I THINK WE NEED
STRATEGIES

00:48:09.967 --> 00:48:12.166
IN COMMUNITIES OF FAITH
ON A LOCAL LEVEL.

00:48:12.266 --> 00:48:13.967
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR
US TO DO THAT TOGETHER

00:48:14.067 --> 00:48:15.533
WITH THE LORD?


00:48:15.633 --> 00:48:16.900
I THINK THERE'S A
GREAT IMITATION.

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:18.567
LOVING HIM LOOKS
LIKE SOMETHING.

00:48:18.667 --> 00:48:21.066
AND SO WE NEED TO BRING
DEFINITION TO IT.

00:48:21.166 --> 00:48:24.100
AND SONG, OF COURSE,
IS IMPORTANT FOR THAT,

00:48:24.200 --> 00:48:26.233
BUT, YEAH, THAT MINISTRY
TO HIM, LOVING HIM,

00:48:26.333 --> 00:48:27.766
I THINK IT'S REALLY,
REALLY CRUCIAL.

00:48:27.866 --> 00:48:31.067
AND THAT WILL ACTUALLY
FUEL THE SECOND ONE.

00:48:31.167 --> 00:48:32.333
IT WILL FUEL IT.


00:48:32.433 --> 00:48:35.500
IT WILL ADD KEROSENE TO
THE GREAT COMMISSION,

00:48:35.600 --> 00:48:39.033
TO GETTING PEOPLE INTO
THEIR SPHERES OF INFLUENCE

00:48:39.133 --> 00:48:40.700
THAT WILL POSITION
THEM TO BE

00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.666
I THINK, SALT AND LIGHT.


00:48:42.766 --> 00:48:46.100
SO IT'S NOT FORSAKING
THE SECOND COMMANDMENT,

00:48:46.200 --> 00:48:48.066
IT'S JUST ESTABLISHING
THE FIRST ONE

00:48:48.166 --> 00:48:49.866
IN ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE.


00:48:49.966 --> 00:48:52.233
REBECCA: ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT YOU SAID,

00:48:52.333 --> 00:48:53.600
BECAUSE I WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT THIS POINT

00:48:53.700 --> 00:48:55.333
ONE MORE TIME WITH DAVID,


00:48:55.433 --> 00:48:57.066
IS HE WAS DIFFERENT
BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAID

00:48:57.166 --> 00:48:58.833
HE WAS A MAN AFTER
GOD'S OWN HEART,

00:48:58.933 --> 00:49:01.066
BUT I THINK YOU TAPPED ON
WHY HE WAS A MAN

00:49:01.166 --> 00:49:02.333
AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART,


00:49:02.433 --> 00:49:04.799
IS BECAUSE HE
PURSUED GOD FIRST

00:49:04.899 --> 00:49:06.266
AND HIS PRESENCE,


00:49:06.366 --> 00:49:08.233
AND THAT WAS THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING TO HIM.

00:49:08.333 --> 00:49:09.533
AND WHAT'S SO
INTERESTING IS THAT

00:49:09.633 --> 00:49:14.367
DAVID WANTED TO BUILD
THE HOUSE OF GOD,

00:49:14.467 --> 00:49:16.933
BUT GOD SAYS, NO, NO, NO.


00:49:17.033 --> 00:49:19.833
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY,
I JUST REMEMBER HEARING,

00:49:19.933 --> 00:49:21.733
AND I MIGHT BOTCH THIS,
YOU CAN CORRECT ME,

00:49:21.833 --> 00:49:22.866
I HEARD A
DEREK PRINCE TEACHING

00:49:22.966 --> 00:49:24.333
TALKING ABOUT IT,
AND HE SAYS,

00:49:24.433 --> 00:49:26.200
WE GO TO GOD WITH OUR
PLANS, BUT GOD SAYS,

00:49:26.300 --> 00:49:28.133
I HAVE SOMETHING SO
MUCH BIGGER, DAVID,

00:49:28.233 --> 00:49:32.733
I'M GOING TO ESTABLISH
A HOUSE FOR YOU.

00:49:32.833 --> 00:49:35.000
AND HOW THROUGH
THE HOUSE OF DAVID,

00:49:35.100 --> 00:49:37.267
THE MESSIAH WOULD COME
AND JESUS WOULD SIT

00:49:37.367 --> 00:49:38.600
ON THAT THRONE.


00:49:38.700 --> 00:49:41.400
AND SO GOD HAS EVEN
SOMETHING BIGGER.

00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:44.733
BUT I JUST THINK
THAT'S SO COOL,

00:49:44.833 --> 00:49:46.700
IS THAT WHAT WE COULD
EVER IMAGINE

00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:48.133
OR DREAM UP IN OUR MINDS,


00:49:48.233 --> 00:49:50.333
GOD HAS SOMETHING SO
MUCH BIGGER FOR US,

00:49:50.433 --> 00:49:52.433
WE JUST HAVE TO BE
SUBMISSIVE AND OBEY,

00:49:52.533 --> 00:49:54.700
WHICH IS WHAT DAVID DID,
BUT BECAUSE HE MADE HIS LIFE

00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:56.767
ABOUT THE
PRESENCE OF GOD,

00:49:56.867 --> 00:49:59.233
YOU SEE THAT LINEAGE
AND THAT HISTORY

00:49:59.333 --> 00:50:01.299
WHERE HIS SON WOULD END UP
BUILDING THE TEMPLE.

00:50:01.399 --> 00:50:03.300
MICHAEL: YES, YES.


00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:07.166
I THINK DAVID'S GREATEST
MARK AS A LEADER

00:50:07.266 --> 00:50:11.933
WAS HIS ABILITY TO
FOLLOW THE LORD.

00:50:12.033 --> 00:50:16.266
AND IT SEEMS SUBTLE, BUT
I THINK GOD'S LOOKING FOR

00:50:16.366 --> 00:50:19.000
PEOPLE THAT AREN'T
LEADERS FOR HIM,

00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:21.800
BUT THEY'RE FIRST,
FOLLOWERS OF HIM.

00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:23.800
AND THAT ACTUALLY
POSITIONS THEIR LEADERSHIP.

00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:26.633
AND THEN YOU ENTER
INTO THAT REALM

00:50:26.733 --> 00:50:29.800
OF THE IMMEASURABLY MORE.


00:50:29.900 --> 00:50:32.466
AND I THINK DAVID, YOU SEE
THAT IN 2 SAMUEL,

00:50:32.566 --> 00:50:36.833
WHERE HE'S
CORRECTED BY NATHAN,

00:50:36.933 --> 00:50:38.600
BUT IT'S AN
INTERESTING EXCHANGE,

00:50:38.700 --> 00:50:41.699
BUT HE MAKES COVENANT
WITH HIM AND SAYS,

00:50:41.799 --> 00:50:45.033
HEY, I'M GOING TO ESTABLISH A
HOUSE THROUGH YOUR SON

00:50:45.133 --> 00:50:49.899
AND THEN YOUR KINGDOM, YOUR
THRONE, WILL BE ETERNAL.

00:50:49.999 --> 00:50:51.300
HE MAKES THAT COVENANT
WITH HIM THAT -

00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.599
REBECCA: LIKE
THAT'S SO CRAZY.

00:50:52.699 --> 00:50:54.967
HE LIKE TOOK DAVID AND
HE LIKE EXTENDED IT OUT.

00:50:55.067 --> 00:50:56.367
HE MADE IT SO MUCH BIGGER.


00:50:56.467 --> 00:50:57.166
MICHAEL: IT'S FASCINATING.


00:50:57.266 --> 00:50:58.700
REBECCA: IT'S SO CRAZY.


00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.366
AND I DON'T KNOW, THE
HUMILITY OF GOD

00:51:00.466 --> 00:51:02.700
THAT HE WAS LIKE,
I'LL SIT ON YOUR THRONE.

00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:04.600
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I
JUST THINK GOD'S SO COOL.

00:51:04.700 --> 00:51:06.400
MICHAEL: YEAH. YEAH.


00:51:06.500 --> 00:51:10.433
AND JESUS IS THE
ROOT OF DAVID.

00:51:10.533 --> 00:51:12.799
SO JESUS WAS SOURCING.


00:51:12.899 --> 00:51:13.767
REBECCA: THAT'S,
LIKE, MINDBLOWING.

00:51:13.867 --> 00:51:14.766
MICHAEL: I KNOW.


00:51:14.866 --> 00:51:15.800
AND THEN JESUS WILL
ACTUALLY SIT ON

00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:17.266
THE THRONE OF DAVID,


00:51:17.366 --> 00:51:21.300
SO YOU SEE HOW
INTEGRAL HIS LIFE,

00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.766
LEADERSHIP, THE ANOINTING.


00:51:24.866 --> 00:51:26.533
AND, YEAH, I LOVE
STUDYING HIS LIFE

00:51:26.633 --> 00:51:28.833
AND THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR
US AS LEADERS TODAY,

00:51:28.933 --> 00:51:30.099
WHAT MADE DAVID, DAVID.


00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:31.166
REBECCA: AND IT
REALLY JUST SHOWS

00:51:31.266 --> 00:51:34.099
GOD'S HEART FOR US TO BE
IN A FAMILY WITH HIM,

00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.033
AND THAT EVEN CAME
DOWN AND THROUGH...

00:51:37.133 --> 00:51:37.999
MICHAEL: SOLOMON, YEAH.


00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:39.233
REBECCA: YEAH,
THROUGH THAT LINE,

00:51:39.333 --> 00:51:42.499
HE WOULD BRING HIS SON, WHO
WOULD BE GOD INCARNATE

00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.533
WHO WOULD THEN COME TO
SAVE ALL OF US,

00:51:44.633 --> 00:51:45.633
THAT ALL WHO WOULD
BELIEVE IN HIM

00:51:45.733 --> 00:51:47.500
COULD COME INTO THE
FAMILY OF GOD.

00:51:47.600 --> 00:51:49.367
SO GOD IS ALL
ABOUT FAMILY,

00:51:49.467 --> 00:51:53.333
AND THAT'S WHY THE CHURCH
LIKE, IT'S HIS HOME.

00:51:53.433 --> 00:51:55.200
IT'S LIKE, THAT'S WHY IT'S
LIKE WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND

00:51:55.300 --> 00:51:56.600
GOD AS A FATHER,


00:51:56.700 --> 00:51:58.533
AND THAT JESUS IS HIS SON,


00:51:58.633 --> 00:52:00.099
AND THAT GOD IS
ALL ABOUT FAMILY,

00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.000
A FATHER WANTS TO BE
WITH HIS CHILDREN,

00:52:02.100 --> 00:52:03.767
THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU
THINK ABOUT CHURCH,

00:52:03.867 --> 00:52:06.200
YOU MAKE IT ABOUT HIM
AND THAT HE WANTS

00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:07.666
TO BE WITH US IN
HIS PRESENCE.

00:52:07.766 --> 00:52:08.833
MICHAEL: YES, YES.


00:52:08.933 --> 00:52:10.833
REBECCA: AND IT'S LIKE THE
MOST BEAUTIFUL PICTURE,

00:52:10.933 --> 00:52:12.466
AND HOW COULD
ANYONE NOT WANT

00:52:12.566 --> 00:52:14.299
TO WORSHIP THAT GOD OR
LOVE THAT GOD?

00:52:14.399 --> 00:52:16.666
AND I THINK IT GOES BACK
TO THAT PLACE OF SIMPLICITY,

00:52:16.766 --> 00:52:17.933
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT
PEOPLE'S HEARTS

00:52:18.033 --> 00:52:20.033
ARE CRYING OUT FOR,
IS THAT KIND OF LOVE.

00:52:20.133 --> 00:52:21.633
MICHAEL: YES, FOR SURE.


00:52:21.733 --> 00:52:26.133
YEAH, THE FAMILY OF GOD, I
THINK THE LOCAL CHURCH

00:52:26.233 --> 00:52:30.533
IS THE SLEEPING BEAUTY THAT'S
EMERGING IN THIS HOUR.

00:52:30.633 --> 00:52:32.899
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
NATIONAL MOVEMENTS

00:52:32.999 --> 00:52:35.233
AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING
ON BIG, BIG SCALES,

00:52:35.333 --> 00:52:37.300
EVENTS, AND I APPLAUD THOSE.


00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.433
BUT THE POWER OF A GROUP
OF PEOPLE LIVING IN PROXIMITY

00:52:42.533 --> 00:52:45.167
TO THE PRESENCE OF
GOD TOGETHER,

00:52:45.267 --> 00:52:46.466
IT'S NUCLEAR.


00:52:46.566 --> 00:52:49.167
THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY
SPECIAL ABOUT THAT.

00:52:49.267 --> 00:52:50.399
AND SO I WANT TO
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE,

00:52:50.499 --> 00:52:51.566
IF YOU DON'T
HAVE COMMUNITY,

00:52:51.666 --> 00:52:54.299
PRAY THAT THE LORD WOULD
CALL YOU INTO THAT COMMUNITY

00:52:54.399 --> 00:52:57.233
TO FIND THAT FAMILY THAT
HE'S GRAFTED YOU INTO.

00:52:57.333 --> 00:53:01.466
BECAUSE OUR CALLINGS AND
THE GRACE ON OUR LIFE

00:53:01.566 --> 00:53:02.633
IS CONNECTED TO THAT.


00:53:02.733 --> 00:53:04.299
IT'S CONNECTED TO SOMETHING
BIGGER THAN OURSELVES,

00:53:04.399 --> 00:53:05.667
AND SO JUST TO FIND
THAT CONTEXT

00:53:05.767 --> 00:53:08.467
THAT HE'S CALLING
YOU TO, IT'S IMPORTANT.

00:53:08.567 --> 00:53:10.967
REBECCA: WELL, THIS HAS BEEN
SUCH A GOOD CONVERSATION.

00:53:11.067 --> 00:53:13.533
I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU IF
THERE'S ANY LAST COMMENTS

00:53:13.633 --> 00:53:14.433
OR ANY WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT


00:53:14.533 --> 00:53:15.666
FOR THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE LISTENING?

00:53:15.766 --> 00:53:16.567
MICHAEL: I HAVE ENJOYED IT.


00:53:16.667 --> 00:53:17.666
YOU WERE GREAT
AT INTERVIEWING ME.

00:53:17.766 --> 00:53:18.700
REBECCA: AW, THANK YOU.


00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.367
MICHAEL: THIS HAS
BEEN REALLY GOOD.

00:53:20.467 --> 00:53:22.866
NO, I THINK WE'VE
COVERED SO MUCH.

00:53:22.966 --> 00:53:28.299
I JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE
ANYONE THAT IS WRESTLING

00:53:28.399 --> 00:53:31.233
WITH THEIR FAITH,
WRESTLING WITH QUESTIONS,

00:53:31.333 --> 00:53:32.633
AGAIN, WE TALKED
ABOUT THE SIMPLICITY,

00:53:32.733 --> 00:53:35.600
BUT JUST STARTING TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION WITH THE LORD,

00:53:35.700 --> 00:53:38.300
TO BRING HIM WHATEVER
IT IS THAT YOU HAVE,

00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.300
AND I BELIEVE HE
WILL MEET YOU.

00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:41.666
THE BIBLE SAYS IF
WE DRAW NEAR TO HIM,

00:53:41.766 --> 00:53:43.867
HE'LL DRAW NEAR TO US.


00:53:43.967 --> 00:53:46.700
AND SO A PODCAST IN THE
VARIOUS WAYS

00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.866
THAT WE'RE INFORMED
ABOUT THE LORD,

00:53:48.966 --> 00:53:51.833
THESE ARE SUPPLEMENTAL
TO THEM CONNECTING TO HIM.

00:53:51.933 --> 00:53:54.466
AND SO JUST EVEN AFTER
THEY PUSH STOP ON THIS PODCAST,

00:53:54.566 --> 00:53:55.867
THEY WOULD TAKE
FIVE MINUTES

00:53:55.967 --> 00:53:57.033
AND JUST ENGAGE HIM,


00:53:57.133 --> 00:53:58.766
ENGAGE HIM WITH
THEIR HEART,

00:53:58.866 --> 00:54:00.833
ENGAGE HIM WITH WHATEVER
THEY'RE FACING,

00:54:00.933 --> 00:54:02.933
ALLOW HIM TO
FACE IT WITH YOU.

00:54:03.033 --> 00:54:04.166
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO
ENCOURAGE SOMEONE.

00:54:04.266 --> 00:54:05.067
REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME.


00:54:05.167 --> 00:54:06.467
AND CAN YOU JUST
CLOSE WITH A PRAYER?

00:54:06.567 --> 00:54:07.299
MICHAEL: OF COURSE.


00:54:07.399 --> 00:54:08.300
YEAH.


00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:14.600
SO, JESUS, WE ARE SO
HONORED AND GRATEFUL

00:54:14.700 --> 00:54:18.800
FOR YOUR LOVE AND FOR YOUR
LIFE ON THE EARTH

00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:23.300
AND FOR THE SACRIFICE THAT YOU
MADE AND THE PROVISION

00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:26.100
THAT WE FIND IN THE CROSS.


00:54:26.200 --> 00:54:28.700
AND, LORD, IT IS
WHAT WE NEED.

00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.367
ANYONE LISTENING TO THE
SOUND OF MY VOICE

00:54:31.467 --> 00:54:34.367
THAT YOUR CROSS IN CALVARY


00:54:34.467 --> 00:54:36.833
IS SUFFICIENT
FOR THEM TODAY.

00:54:36.933 --> 00:54:39.400
YOUR BLOOD, YOUR
BODY, YOUR SPIRIT,

00:54:39.500 --> 00:54:43.266
THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM
FAITH TO TURN TO YOU

00:54:43.366 --> 00:54:46.467
AND TO RECEIVE WHATEVER IT IS
THAT THEY NEED RIGHT NOW.

00:54:46.567 --> 00:54:48.700
IF IT'S PEACE,
IF IT'S LOVE,

00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.167
IF IT'S SIGNIFICANCE OF
SEEING THEMSELVES

00:54:51.267 --> 00:54:53.067
IN LIGHT OF HOW
YOU SEE THEM,

00:54:53.167 --> 00:54:54.400
I PRAY, LORD JESUS,


00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:56.567
THAT YOU WOULD GIVE
THEM PERSPECTIVE,

00:54:56.667 --> 00:54:59.500
RENEWAL OF MIND, AND THAT
YOU WOULD TOUCH THEM

00:54:59.600 --> 00:55:02.266
AND THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM
FRESH HOPE AND FAITH

00:55:02.366 --> 00:55:04.099
FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE FACING,


00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:06.200
THAT YOUR FACE IS
IN THEIR HEART.

00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:08.500
YOU PUT THE FACE OF
YOUR SON INSIDE

00:55:08.600 --> 00:55:10.599
EVERY BORN-AGAIN BELIEVER,


00:55:10.699 --> 00:55:12.199
AND THAT YOUR FACE
IS FACING ALL

00:55:12.299 --> 00:55:13.233
THAT THEY'LL FACE.


00:55:13.333 --> 00:55:16.933
AND SO I PRAY THAT
COURAGE AND HOPE ABOUNDS.

00:55:17.033 --> 00:55:18.467
IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.


00:55:18.567 --> 00:55:19.667
REBECCA: AMEN.


00:55:19.767 --> 00:55:20.733
MICHAEL: AMEN.


00:55:20.833 --> 00:55:21.567
REBECCA: WELL,
THANK YOU SO MUCH.

00:55:21.667 --> 00:55:23.733
MICHAEL: YES,
WHAT AN HONOR.

00:55:23.833 --> 00:55:27.533
REBECCA: FOR PEOPLE WHO
WANT TO GET CONNECTED,

00:55:27.633 --> 00:55:29.767
WHERE CAN THEY FIND YOU


00:55:29.867 --> 00:55:30.667
AND THE CHURCH?


00:55:30.767 --> 00:55:31.699
MICHAEL: YES.


00:55:31.799 --> 00:55:32.566
REBECCA: WHAT'S
THE WEBSITE?

00:55:32.666 --> 00:55:36.267
MICHAEL: UPPERROOM.CO,
I BELIEVE.

00:55:36.367 --> 00:55:37.766
I BELIEVE IT'S
UPPERROOM.CO.

00:55:37.866 --> 00:55:39.866
IF NOT, JUST GOOGLE
UPPERROOM, PUT ONE WORD,

00:55:39.966 --> 00:55:40.767
AND IT'LL POP UP.


00:55:40.867 --> 00:55:43.000
YOU CAN FIND ALL OUR
RESOURCES THERE.

00:55:43.100 --> 00:55:44.033
REBECCA: YEAH, WE'LL
JUST PUT IT IN THE GRAPHIC,

00:55:44.133 --> 00:55:45.033
WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.


00:55:45.133 --> 00:55:46.133
AND FOR THE BOOK,
WHERE CAN YOU GET IT?

00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:47.433
MICHAEL: THE BOOK IS
ANYWHERE YOU CAN GET A BOOK.

00:55:47.533 --> 00:55:50.566
I THINK AMAZON, IT'S
<i>HIS HOUSE, HIS PRESENCE.</i>

00:55:50.633 --> 00:55:52.033
SO I HOPE YOU ENJOY IT.


00:55:52.133 --> 00:55:53.133
REBECCA: AWESOME.


00:55:53.233 --> 00:55:54.500
WELL, MICHAEL, THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

00:55:54.600 --> 00:55:55.600
MICHAEL: THANK YOU, REBECCA.


00:55:55.700 --> 00:55:56.600
WHAT A BLAST.


00:55:56.667 --> 00:55:57.966
REBECCA: AND THANK YOU
FOR WATCHING

00:55:58.066 --> 00:55:59.333
<i>THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.</i>