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REBECCA WEISS: HEY, GUYS,
WELCOME BACK TO THE PODCAST.
I AM VERY EXCITED BECAUSE I AM JOINED HERE WITH TODAY
WITH AUTHOR AND FOUNDER OF HER VOICE MVMT,
FROM PORTLAND, OREGON,
JENNY DONNELLY IS HERE.
JENNY DONNELLY: THANK YOU.
I'M SO HAPPY TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.
REBECCA: I'M SO EXCITED TO HAVE YOU
BECAUSE I'M REALLY IN A PLACE RIGHT NOW
WHERE I'M UNDERSTANDING
THE IMPORTANCE OF INTERCESSION,
AND I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE,
FEELING THE CALL TO LIKE AT LEAST BE INTERCEDING
FOR LIKE, MY FAMILY, MY HUSBAND.
WHICH IS SO INTERESTING,
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN CHURCH MY WHOLE LIFE,
BUT I FEEL LIKE FOR THE FIRST TIME, REALLY,
GOD'S STIRRING THAT WITHIN ME.
AND I THINK MAYBE ALL OF US
ARE CALLED TO INTERCEDE.
AND, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP, I KIND OF PUT, LIKE,
THE INTERCESSORS OVER THERE.
BUT I THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE DOING IT.
AND I JUST HEARD THE MOST POWERFUL TESTIMONY
OF THIS MAN, AND HE TALKED ABOUT
THE POWER OF INTERCESSION.
AND I WAS LIKE, WOW.
IT'S SO IMPACTFUL IN THE SPIRIT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE USUALLY SEE
WITH THEIR EYES.
BUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
IS REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE,
WHETHER WE RECOGNIZE IT AS THE CHURCH OR NOT.
JENNY: WOW.
REBECCA: SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
JENNY: YES.
REBECCA: MOBILIZING PEOPLE.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING,
TALK ABOUT HER VOICE MVMT AND WHAT YOU DO.
JENNY: SURE.
SO ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW,
WE'VE BEEN MINISTERING TO WOMEN.
AND I ACTUALLY REALLY LEARNED KINGDOM THINGS,
KINGDOM PRINCIPLES IN THE MARKETPLACE.
REBECCA: OH, THAT'S SO COOL.
JENNY: YES.
I DIDN'T GROW UP IN THE CHURCH,
BUT IN MY EARLY 20S,
I HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE LORD.
GAVE HIM MY LIFE.
WENT INTO BUSINESS RIGHT AWAY.
AND IN THAT PROCESS, AS I WAS BEING ENCOUNTERED
BY GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,
ALL I KNEW WAS,
IF I HAVE ANY INFLUENCE WITH SOMEBODY AT ALL,
I HAVE TO TELL THEM WHAT I'VE ENCOUNTERED.
I HAVE TO TELL THEM ABOUT THIS JESUS.
SO, WE ENDED UP BUILDING THIS BUSINESS,
AND IT WAS -
IT WAS A BLESSING.
BUT I KNEW IT WAS FOR THE PURPOSE
TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO GOD.
AND SO IN THAT PROCESS,
I STARTED ROUNDING UP WOMEN
LIKE IN MY LIVING ROOM AT FIRST.
LIKE, HEY, MAYBE YOU CAN COME OVER
AND STAY 'TIL MIDNIGHT AND WE'LL PRAY.
AND IT ORGANICALLY HAPPENED.
REBECCA: COOL.
JENNY: YEAH.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WELL,
MAYBE THIS IS TOO MANY PEOPLE FOR A LIVING ROOM.
LET'S GET LIKE A RETREAT CENTER,
WE'LL GO FOR A COUPLE DAYS.
AND EVERYONE IS LIKE,
WHAT IS THIS MINISTRY CALLED?
I'M LIKE, NOTHING.
WE ARE NOT STARTING A MINISTRY.
WE'RE JUST GONNA -
SO I DID THIS FOR A WHILE.
GOD LET ME JUST DO THIS THING WITHOUT A NAME
BECAUSE I REALLY DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING
THAT I WAS BUILDING.
I WANTED JUST TO GET IN THE PRESENCE
AND TEACH WOMEN TO PRAY
AND JUST TEACH THEM -
TEACHING, YES, BUT ENCOUNTER GOD
THE WAY THAT HE WAS ENCOUNTERING ME.
IT WAS TOO GOOD TO HOLD BACK FROM ANYBODY
IN MY SPACE.
AND SO AFTER A LITTLE BIT,
PEOPLE STARTED HANDING ME MONEY,
LIKE, HERE, SURELY YOU NEED SOME MONEY FOR THIS,
AND SURELY YOU NEED HELP WITH THIS.
AND JUST BECAUSE I WAS COLLECTING SOME MONEY ONE DAY,
I WAS LIKE, MAYBE THIS NEEDS TO BE LIKE
A NONPROFIT, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I HAD TO GET A NAME.
SO GOD KIND OF GENTLY WALKED ME INTO
HAVING A MINISTRY.
SO, ANYWAY, SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING
IS FREEING THE VOICE OF WOMEN
TO THE POWER OF GOD
SO THAT OUR NATION CAN BE FREE.
AND THE NATION, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THIS,
BUT OUR CHILDREN ARE UNDER ATTACK.
REBECCA: MM-HMM.
JENNY: AND SO THERE ARE WOMEN OF EVERY AGE,
ESPECIALLY THE MAMA BEARS,
THAT ARE SAYING, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
BUT WHAT WE REALIZED IS THAT SILENCE ISN'T SAFE,
AND SO WOMEN HAVE TO USE THEIR VOICES IN THEIR HOMES,
OUTSIDE THEIR HOMES,
IN ORDER TO HELP THESE CHILDREN.
IT REALLY JUST, FULL CIRCLE, COMES BACK TO,
IF A WOMAN HAS BEEN WOUNDED,
WHICH IS EVERY WOMAN TO SOME DEGREE, RIGHT,
SO WHEN WE EXPERIENCE DEEP WOUNDS,
WHETHER THAT, LIKE FOR ME, IT WAS DIVORCE
IN MY FAMILY.
DEEP REJECTION.
FATHER WOUNDS.
MOTHER WOUNDS.
YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS.
AND THEN IF THOSE GO UNRESOLVED, RIGHT,
THEN OUR MOUTHS BECOME SILENT.
AND SO, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, REBECCA,
IS I DIDN'T HAVE THIS CLARITY
OF WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING.
I JUST KNEW MY HEART WAS BROKEN
AND NOW IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THIS MAN, JESUS.
AND SO I WAS JUST LEADING PEOPLE THERE.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK,
WE SAW WOMEN'S VOICES COME FORTH.
SO THEY'RE PLANTING CHURCHES,
THEY'RE STARTING MINISTRIES,
THEIR MARRIAGES ARE HEALING.
YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED
WHEN THESE WOMEN FOUND THEIR VOICES.
SO THAT'S BEEN ABOUT THE LAST 15 YEARS.
REBECCA: HOW DO YOU HELP A WOMAN FIND HER VOICE,
WHAT IS THAT PROCESS LIKE?
IS IT INNER HEALING?
IS IT DIFFERENT THINGS FOR DIFFERENT WOMEN?
WHAT ARE THESE WOMEN EXPERIENCING
SO THAT THEY CAN STEP INTO THEIR CALLING?
JENNY: INNER HEALING IS -
I CAN'T SAY THERE'S A SINGLE PERSON
THAT THAT WOULD NOT DO SOMETHING MASSIVELY FOR.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A PERSON THAT HAS GONE THROUGH
THE ADVERSITY, THE FIRE, THE WOUNDING,
WHO HAS NOT HAD A LEVEL OF, INNER LEVEL,
OR INNER HEALING.
NOW, HOW THE INNER HEALING TAKES PLACE,
THAT CAN BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS
THAT HAPPEN.
BUT WHAT WE'VE FOUND, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
WE WERE AT A RETREAT.
I HAVE ONE OF MY GIRLS, SHE'S AWESOME,
LIKE MY PARTNER IN CRIME.
SHE'S ON THE LEADERSHIP TEAM,
SHE'S PRAYING FOR PEOPLE.
AND WE HAVE A MOMENT WHERE WE GO TO THE CROSS,
AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE A MOMENT WITH JESUS,
HAVE AN ENCOUNTER.
AND SHE WAS CRYING OUT,
GOD, YOU KNOW, I WANT BREAKTHROUGH IN MY BUSINESS.
I WANT BREAKTHROUGH IN MY MARRIAGE.
I WANT BREAKTHROUGH WITH MY KIDS.
AND HE SAYS, SWEETHEART,
THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LET ME HEAL
THE 15-YEAR-OLD LITTLE GIRL
THAT HAD AN ABORTION.
AND SHE WAS LIKE, WHOA, WAIT A MINUTE.
HOLD ON.
HOLD ON, WHY ARE YOU GOING THERE?
SHE WAS TALKING FUTURE,
LIKE I WANT MY MARRIAGE BETTER.
AND HE PULLED HER BACK TO 15.
NOW SHE WAS IN HER LATE 30S
WHEN THIS HAPPENED ON THE LEADERSHIP TEAM,
ORDAINED AS A PASTOR.
AND SHE WANTED TO BACKPEDAL, BACKPEDAL, BACKPEDAL,
AND HE SAID IF YOU WILL LET ME HEAL
THAT 15-YEAR-OLD LITTLE GIRL,
THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD
IN ALL THOSE THINGS YOU JUST ASKED ME FOR.
BUT THAT 15-YEAR-OLD IS STILL THERE,
AND SHE'S STILL HEARTBROKEN,
AND SHE'S HIDING.
AND SO SHE JUST GOT ON HER KNEES.
AND AT FIRST, SHE HAD NO TEARS.
SHE WAS NUMB.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: AND THEN HE SHOWED HER ON THAT TABLE.
AND SHE SAID, STILL NUMB.
I HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH THIS.
IT WAS BURIED.
IT WAS SO DEEP.
SHE SAID THIS THING WAS GONE.
I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
SO DEEP.
AND SHE'S LAYING THERE AND HE SAID,
LET ME SHOW YOU A PICTURE.
AND HE SHOWED HER A PICTURE OF ANOTHER
15-YEAR-OLD GIRL.
IT WAS MY DAUGHTER AT THE TIME.
AND HE SWAPPED OUT IN HER MIND
A 15-YEAR-OLD LITTLE GIRL
LAYING ON THE TABLE.
AND SHE WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT'S A LITTLE GIRL.
AND HE SAID, EXACTLY.
YOU WERE JUST A LITTLE GIRL.
AND SHE BEGAN TO WEEP.
AND THE TEARS STARTED COMING.
AND SHE BEGAN TO WEEP.
FOR AN HOUR, SHE WAS OUT ON THE GRASS.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JENNY: AND WE JUST STOOD NEXT TO HER,
DIDN'T TOUCH HER OR NOTHING,
AND WE JUST KNEW TO STAND BY HER.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON ACTUALLY, RIGHT,
BECAUSE THIS WAS ALL HAPPENING IN HER OWN SOUL.
BUT SHE CAME OUT OF THAT,
SHE CAME TO ME AND SHE TOLD ME
WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
AND WHAT WE'VE FOUND WAS THAT
YOU KNOW, CONFESSION ISN'T TRANSACTIONAL.
IT'S VERY DEEP AND IT UPROOTS
THE THINGS THAT HAVE -
THE DEVIL USES TO PLAGUE US.
AND SO OVER TIME, SHE BEGAN TO TELL THE STORY.
AND SHE'S TOLD HER STORY SPONTANEOUSLY
WHERE HUNDREDS OF WOMEN,
WE SAY IF YOU'VE HAD AN ABORTION,
AND HUNDREDS OF WOMEN HAVE COME TO THE ALTAR
AND JUST WAILED.
BUT THEY'RE GETTING SET FREE.
THEY'RE GETTING DELIVERED.
AND THE LORD HAS TOLD ME,
HE SAID, THESE ARE MY WARRIORS.
WHEN THE SHAME GETS UPROOTED,
WHEN THE DEEP HURT AND PAIN GETS UPROOTED
THROUGH LETTING THE LIGHT IN AND CONFESSION,
THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS, THEY BECOME THE AUTHORITY
TO WAGE WAR ON THE ENEMY IN THIS AREA.
SO THE AUTHORITY THAT MY FRIEND WALKS IN IS CRAZY.
SHE CAN WALK INTO A ROOM,
AND BECAUSE OF HER AUTHORITY NOW,
YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
HAVE BEEN GETTING SET FREE
FROM THE SHAME OF AN ABORTION.
AND THESE ARE THE SOLDIERS
THAT GOD'S LOOKING FOR, ACTUALLY.
SO, THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
BUT WE JUST HAVE A REAL HEART
TO SEE WOMEN'S VOICES SET FREE.
BECAUSE A MOTHER'S VOICE,
WHEN A MOTHER'S VOICE IS SILENT,
WHAT HAPPENS TO HER CHILDREN?
HER CHILDREN BECOME OPEN TO ATTACK ON THE ENEMY.
SO THE VOICE OF A WOMAN
IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO HER CHILDREN,
AND WHETHER HER CHILDREN ARE GONNA BE PROTECTED.
SO IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FAMILY UNIT AT THIS POINT.
REBECCA: SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT.
I WANT YOU TO RE-SAY THAT STATEMENT.
WHEN A MOTHER'S VOICE IS SILENCED,
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE CHILDREN?
JENNY: THE CHILDREN ARE OPEN TO ATTACK.
SO LIKE A MAMA BEAR WITH HER CUBS,
THAT'S WHY SHE DOESN'T LEAVE HER CUBS.
I ACTUALLY WENT ON A GOOGLE SEARCH.
WHAT WOULD CAUSE A MAMA BEAR
TO LEAVE HER CUBS?
GOD ASKED ME, HE SAID, WHY DON'T YOU LOOK THAT UP?
I WANT YOU TO FIND OUT THE NATURE OF A BEAR,
A MAMA BEAR.
MY DAUGHTER ESTHER HAD HAD A DREAM
THAT BEARS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD
CAME TO ONE PLACE,
MAMA BEARS AND THEIR CUBS.
SO IT KIND OF SENT ME ON THIS,
LIKE, OKAY, I WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS.
AND I COULDN'T FIND A SINGLE PLACE
THAT A GRIZZLY MOM,
OR ANY TYPE OF MAMA BEAR WOULD LEAVE HER CUBS.
AND I SAID, GOD, WHY DID YOU SEND ME ON THIS?
I CAN'T FIND ANY PLACE EXCEPT FOR TO MATE.
THEY WILL GO HIDE BEHIND A BUSH OR SOMETHING.
OKAY.
WHICH IS PROBABLY PRETTY WISE.
OKAY.
BUT SHE WILL NOT LEAVE THEM.
AND I SAID, I CAN'T FIND
WHAT YOU'RE GETTING ME TO FIND.
AND HE SAID, EXACTLY.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY DEMONIC FOR A MOTHER
TO EVER LEAVE HER CHILDREN.
AND YET I'M THINKING, OKAY, HOW DID WE GET HERE?
AND HE SAID THAT THE VOICE IS THE PROTECTOR OF THE CHILD,
OF THE CUBS.
SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO PRAYER,
YOU'LL OPEN THIS UP WITH DEEP INTERCESSION,
I LOVED PRAYER.
I VALUED PRAYER.
I SAW RESULTS IN PRAYER.
AND THEN I HAD A 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
AND I WENT, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PARENT THIS.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA COACH THIS WAY.
OKAY, YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS?
SURELY I CAN FIX IT.
AND, NO.
AND IT DROPPED ME TO MY KNEES.
THAT'S WHERE I FOUND MY DEEPEST PRAYER LIFE
WAS WHEN I COULDN'T FIX IT.
SO GOD SAID, FIRST YOU USE YOUR VOICE IN PRAYER.
AND THEN IN THE NATURAL, YOU'LL HAVE ANOINTING
TO BREAK THE CHAINS OF BONDAGE ON YOUR CHILDREN.
SO, MOTHERS NEED TO,
AND I DON'T WANT TO SOUND BOSSY BY ANY MEANS,
BUT THIS IS JUST THE PATHWAY,
IS GET INTO PRAYER.
GET THE WORD OF GOD.
SPEAK THOSE OVER YOUR CHILDREN.
AND THEN WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THAT PRAYER,
NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE NOT IN YOUR FLESH.
YOU KNOW, ACTING CRAZY AND ALL THESE THINGS.
AND I'VE ACTED CRAZY WITH MY KIDS SO MANY TIMES,
COUNTLESS TIMES, OKAY.
SO NOBODY'S PERFECT.
REBECCA: NO JUDGMENT.
JENNY: NO JUDGMENT.
ACTUALLY THOSE ARE THE TIMES THAT DROVE ME
TO PRAYER, REALLY,
BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, HOW DID I BLOW IT SO BAD?
BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET CONTROL.
I WANTED TO CONTROL WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO MY KIDS.
I WANTED THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
WHY ARE THEY NOT LISTENING TO ME, YOU KNOW?
AND GOD WAS LIKE,
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THIS THING IN THE SPIRIT.
IT IS NOT A NATURAL BATTLE.
IT'S A SPIRITUAL BATTLE.
AND HE TOLD ME THAT SPIRITUAL BATTLES
REQUIRE SPIRITUAL WEAPONS.
SO, WE HAD A WINE CELLAR AT THE TIME,
THAT WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DRINK,
AND SO I JUST EMPTIED IT OUT,
GOT DOWN THERE, GOT A LITTLE PILLOW AND A BLANKET
AND JUST LAID AND WEPT BEFORE THE LORD.
AND HE SAID, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU YOUR CHILDREN,
ONE AT A TIME, HOW I SEE THEM IN HEAVEN,
AND YOU ARE GOING TO BEGIN TO PRAY FOR THEM.
WELL, I SAW MY DAUGHTER, MY OLDEST DAUGHTER,
SHE'S ON A KEYBOARD AND SHE'S WORSHIPING AND SINGING.
AND I'M LIKE, I'VE NEVER SEEN HER DO THAT.
HE'S LIKE, I KNOW. I KNOW.
BUT THAT'S WHO YOU'RE GONNA PRAY FOR.
SO NOW, YOU KNOW, FAST-FORWARD
MANY YEARS LATER,
THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES.
SHE'S A WORSHIPER.
THAT ALL HAPPENED.
BUT IT WAS TWO YEARS GETTING ON MY FACE.
AND HE SAID DO NOT PRAY FROM A PLACE
OF FRUSTRATION.
DO NOT PRAY FROM A PLACE OF -
BUT SHE'S ACTING CRAZY AND NOW I'M ACTING CRAZY.
DO NOT PRAY FROM A PLACE OF FAILURE OR FRUSTRATION.
PRAY FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH.
WHAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU
IS THE REALITY OF WHO SHE REALLY IS.
AND SO I BEGAN TO PRAY FOR A GIRL
WHO I HAD NEVER SEEN UP TO THAT POINT
IN THAT STATE OF MIND.
AND SO -
AND THERE'S SO MUCH TO THIS.
YOU GET ME TALKING ABOUT PARENTING,
IT'S LIKE, PFFT, YOU KNOW.
REBECCA: IT'S SO GOOD, THOUGH.
I'M JUST HERE LIKE TAKING NOTES, MENTALLY,
BECAUSE I HAVE LITTLE KIDS.
AND, SEE, YOU'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH -
WHAT'S THE AGE RANGE OF YOUR KIDS?
JENNY: SO, SEVEN IS THE YOUNGEST.
REBECCA: OKAY.
JENNY: UP TO 21.
REBECCA: SO YOU'VE ALREADY KIND OF
GONE THROUGH IT
WITH SOME OF YOUR CHILDREN,
LIKE ALREADY REACHING ADULTHOOD.
JENNY: OH, YEAH.
SO YOU'VE KIND OF BEEN THROUGH -
SEE, MINE ARE JUST LITTLE.
SO I'M LIKE, GEARING UP IN MY MIND,
LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO BE DOING.
AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS
THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL ABOUT THAT.
ONE THING IS, JUST TAPPING ON
WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER,
IS LIKE THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
THE PROPHETIC IS FOR,
IS TO CALL THINGS AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: NOT AS HOW THEY ARE.
BUT KNOWING LIKE, THIS IS HOW GOD SEES THEM
AND YOU'RE SPEAKING THAT IN FAITH INTO EXISTENCE.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: COMING TO AGREEMENT WITH GOD.
I ALSO LOVE THAT HE WAS CLEAR WITH YOU
NOT TO BE LIKE IN YOUR FLESH,
BUT TO MOVE INTO THE SPIRIT.
JENNY: REBECCA, I HAVE TO TELL YOU A STORY.
REBECCA: OKAY.
JENNY: YOU'RE TURNING THIS INTO SOMETHING REALLY COOL.
I WAS ON MY SPIN BIKE,
AT THE TIME IT WAS IN MY ATTIC.
AND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE TO GET ALONE,
AND, YOU KNOW, JUST CLOSE MY EYES.
AND MY DAUGHTER WAS GOING THROUGH SOMETHING
THAT I WAS THINKING, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
I WAS RAISED WITH DYSFUNCTION.
I WAS RAISED WITH A BROKEN FAMILY.
I WAS RAISED IN ALL SORTS OF WAYS
THAT MADE SENSE FOR ME
TO HAVE PROBLEMS.
BUT HER LIFE, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE
THAT SHE WOULD FEEL THIS WAY.
AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN I WAS LIKE,
I DIDN'T TAKE HER TO THE PARK ENOUGH.
I DIDN'T DO THIS ENOUGH.
AND I'M JUST FEELING LIKE, I AM A FAILURE.
IF SHE'S FAILING, I'M FAILING.
YOU KNOW, THAT MOTHER PLACE WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, AHH.
AND I'M JUST SPINNING, SPINNING, SPINNING.
AND I CAN FEEL MYSELF COMING TO THE END
OF MY COMPLAINING SESSION,
AND THE LORD SAYS IN ONLY THE WAY THAT HE CAN,
GET OVER YOURSELF.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REBECCA: I LOVE IT.
JENNY: AND I FELT THIS RELIEF.
AND HE WAS LIKE, JENNY, I WAS A PERFECT FATHER.
AND MY KIDS HAVE PROBLEMS.
SHE'S IN THE WORLD,
SHE'S GONNA FIGURE OUT HER WAY.
HOW CAN THIS BE ABOUT YOU
AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T DO RIGHT?
HE SAID, SURE, YOU WEREN'T PERFECT.
SURE, YOU COULD HAVE DONE THINGS BETTER.
BUT INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT WHAT YOU COULD DO BETTER
OR WHERE YOU MESSED UP,
WHY DON'T YOU JUST PRAY AND INTERCEDE FOR THIS GIRL?
THAT WAS A TURNING POINT FOR ME.
THAT WAS WHEN I WENT,
THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER I WAS A PERFECT MOM.
THIS IS ABOUT A GIRL THAT THE ENEMY
WANTS TO STOP FROM EVER WALKING OUT HER PURPOSES.
AND SHE WAS -
SHE'S ANOTHER PERSON THAT NEEDS THIS INTERCESSION.
SO YOU TAPPED INTO THIS THING,
INTRODUCING US WITH INTERCESSION.
IT JUST OPENED UP LIKE A FLOODGATE.
THAT'S COOL.
REBECCA: AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO
TAP ON AS WELL,
IS YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER
ABOUT YOUR FRIEND WHO GOT INNER HEALING,
AND I WAS ASKING HOW DO PEOPLE
GET THE FREEDOM TO HAVE VERY VOICE BACK.
AND IT'S REALLY THAT EVERY PERSON
NEEDS INNER HEALING.
AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT
BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THIS WORLD
AND YOU'RE GONNA GET WOUNDED.
AND WHEN SOMEONE HAS SHAME OR GUILT,
OR WHATEVER IT IS,
THE ENEMY USES WHATEVER WOUNDING IN OUR SOUL
TO HOLD US BACK.
AND I WAS LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY OF SOMEONE
AND HE EXPLAINED THAT
WHENEVER YOUR TRAUMA HAPPENS IN YOUR LIFE,
LIKE SHE WAS 15 YEARS OLD,
IT'S LIKE THAT PART OF YOU GETS TRAPPED AT THAT AGE.
JENNY: THERE YOU GO.
REBECCA: THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN GROW IN OTHER AREAS,
THERE'S STILL THAT 15-YEAR-OLD.
AND UNTIL SHE WAS ABLE TO GET HEALED AND SET FREE,
THAT SHE COULD GROW UP.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID
THAT WAS REALLY PROFOUND IS,
THE AREA THAT YOU WERE WOUNDED
IS THE AREA THAT YOU CAN HAVE AUTHORITY IN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING?
JENNY: YEAH. YEAH.
REBECCA: CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
JENNY: YEAH.
SO, WHEN WE GET ATTACKED BY THE ENEMY IN AN AREA,
YOU KNOW, HE GOES JUST TO SHUT US DOWN.
HE HAS NO MERCY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE YOUNGER.
SO OUR CORE BELIEF OF WHAT WE BELIEVE AS ADULTS,
ALL OUR CORE BELIEFS, WHAT WE BELIEVE
ABOUT THE WORLD, OURSELVES AND THINGS,
THAT'S BUILT INTO US BY THE AGE OF FIVE.
50 PERCENT OF WHAT WE BELIEVE IS AGE 5.
BY THE TIME WE'RE 18, IT'S 95 PERCENT.
ALL BUILT IN.
SO THE ENEMY, THAT'S WHY THE ATTACK
ON THE KIDS IS SO BIG
BECAUSE THEY'RE THE EASIEST TO REWIRE,
TO LIE TO, TO GET THE WRONG PARADIGM.
SO, USUALLY, JUST LIKE YOU SAID,
THE PLACE WHERE WE NEED HEALING
IS USUALLY ZERO TO FIVE,
MAYBE FIVE TO EIGHT,
MAYBE UP TO 12.
IT'S VERY RARE AFTER 12 YEARS OLD.
SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE THE ENEMY CAME IN
AND SAID THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO HANDICAP YOU.
NOW IF WE WILL ALLOW THE LORD
TO BRING UP THAT MOMENT,
THE HOLY SPIRIT, IN HIS KINDNESS,
IF WE DON'T THINK GOD'S GOOD,
THIS IS VERY HARD TO DO,
BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T TELL SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT GOOD
YOUR DEEPEST SECRETS.
YOU WOULDN'T TELL SOMEBODY YOU DON'T TRUST
YOUR DEEPEST SECRETS.
BUT WHEN WE GO AND WE'RE HONEST,
OR WE'RE MAD, OR WE'RE HURT,
OR WE'RE OFFENDED, YOU HAVE TO GO WITH ALL OF YOU.
THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY,
TO THE HOLY SPIRIT AND SAY,
THIS IS, THIS IS THE THING RIGHT HERE.
THEN, IF WE TRUST THE HOLY SPIRIT
TO GO INTO THAT WOUND,
IT'S LIKE A MOTHER CLEANING OUT
THE LITTLE SCRAPED KNEE,
YOU KNOW, THE KID WANTS YOU TO PUT A BAND-AID ON IT,
BUT WE HAVE TO GO IN AND WASH IT OUT.
IF WE WILL ALLOW PAIN,
THE PAIN OF CLEANING OUT THE WOUND
BY THE LOVE OF GOD,
IT IS NOT A RELIGIOUS PROCESS.
IT IS THE ENCOUNTER OF THE LOVE OF GOD.
THE LOVE OF GOD WILL COME IN
AND WASH OUT THAT WOUND.
AND IT'S PAINFUL BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY
CAN'T BURY IT ANYMORE.
IT'S THERE.
IT'S IN FRONT OF OUR FACE.
REBECCA: YOU HAVE TO FACE THE REALITY OF THE PAIN
IN THAT MOMENT.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND NOT LIKE PUSH IT DOWN.
JUST LIKE YOUR FRIEND, SHE PUSHED IT
SO FAR DOWN DEEP
TO LIKE COPE WITH THE PAIN.
JENNY: YEAH, SHE WAS NUMB.
REBECCA: BUT SHE HAD COMPLETELY ALMOST
DISASSOCIATED FROM IT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH IT
IT'S BRINGING IT BACK UP,
BUT IT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.
AND SO IN THE WASHING OF THE WOUND
BY THE HOLY SPIRIT,
AND THIS ISN'T ALWAYS JUST A MOMENT.
REBECCA: YEAH, IT'S A PROCESS.
JENNY: EXACTLY.
THIS CAN BE TEN YEARS.
THIS CAN BE TEN DAYS.
THIS CAN BE TEN MINUTES, AND WE DON'T WANNA -
REBECCA: AND THERE'S THE TIMING, I THINK, TOO.
I THINK THERE'S A TIMING
BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I STARTED
ON MY INNER HEALING JOURNEY,
I WAS LIKE, LET'S ALL ADDRESS IT NOW!
AND IT WASN'T LIKE THAT.
AND THANK GOD IT WASN'T LIKE THAT.
I THINK GOD IN HIS DIVINE TIMING,
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO BE LED BY THE SPIRIT,
YOU HAVE TO BE IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD.
HE HAS TO HAVE THE RIGHT MOMENT IN TIME,
WHERE I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ALMOST ABLE TO HANDLE
DEALING WITH IT.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND ANYWAYS, YOU KEEP TALKING.
JENNY: YEAH.
SO THE AUTHORITY COMES,
NOW WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY WHEN WE HIDE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: SO ESTHER, SHE WANTED TO HIDE IN THE PALACE.
SHE WOULDN'T CALL IT HIDING.
SHE'D PROBABLY CALL IT ARRIVING.
LIKE I ARRIVED IN THE PALACE, I'M QUEEN.
YOU KNOW, SHE WAS AN ORPHAN.
SHE CAME IN THAT AS A YOUNG GIRL,
THEY SAY SHE WAS 14, 15 YEARS OLD.
REBECCA: OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
THAT'S YOUNG.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: OH, MY GOSH.
JENNY: YEAH.
SO SHE GETS CHOSEN, BUT SHE LEAVES EVERYTHING
THAT SHE KNOWS.
MORDECAI IS NOT THERE WITH HER.
AND SHE GOES IN AND GETS CHOSEN,
BUT THEN SHE HAD TO STAND BEFORE THE KING.
AND SHE HAD TO USE HER VOICE.
NOT JUST, PRAY, FAST, AND THAT'S IT.
BUT SHE HAD TO STAND.
AND SO, THERE IS AN AUTHORITY THAT GOD WANTS
TO GIVE WOMEN
TO STAND IN THIS HOUR FOR CHILDREN
AND FAMILIES ACROSS AMERICA.
BUT WE WON'T STAND WHEN WE DON'T HAVE
TRUE AUTHORITY.
SO HERE IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY TO PEOPLE.
IF THERE'S BEEN AN AREA
THAT THE ENEMY HAS JUST SAT BACK AND LAUGHED,
I GOT YOU RIGHT THERE,
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE HANDICAPPED,
YOU'LL NEVER RECOVER FROM THAT,
YOU'RE GONNA GO TO YOUR GRAVE WITH THAT.
DON'T EVER TELL ANYBODY THAT THAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
YOU ARE DISGUSTING.
YOU ARE SICK.
YOU ARE PERVERTED.
SEE, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.
AND, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON.
AND IF THEY EVER FIND OUT,
YOU'RE GONNA BE REJECTED FROM YOUR FRIEND GROUP.
SEE, THIS IS TEXTBOOK STUFF.
BUT WHEN WE GO BEFORE THE LORD
AND ALLOW HIM TO START UPROOTING THAT,
AND WE FIND THE SAFEST PERSON,
I TELL PEOPLE FIND THE SAFEST PERSON IN YOUR LIFE
AND CONFESS IT.
AND THEN ASK THEM, WILL YOU WALK WITH ME
WITH THE WORD, WITH PRAYER?
AND I'M TELLING YOU,
I'VE NEVER SEEN A PERSON DO THIS
WITH A SAFE PERSON,
AND THEY BOTH HAVE AN HONOR FOR THE LORD
AND THE WORD,
AND THAT DOESN'T GET UPROOTED.
BUT THEN THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
OKAY, THAT'S WHERE THE AUTHORITY COMES FROM.
CONFESS YOUR FAULTS TO ONE ANOTHER
SO THAT YOU MAY BE HEALED,
IN THE BOOK OF JAMES.
REBECCA: YEP.
JENNY: CONFESS YOUR FAULTS TO ONE ANOTHER.
HOW SCARY IS THAT?
IT'S SO SCARY TO BE LIKE,
THIS HAPPENED TO ME WHEN I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD,
OR I DID THIS WHEN I WAS FOUR.
BUT I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS MULTIPLE TIMES,
THIS PROCESS,
AS THINGS HAVE COME UP OVER TIME.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND,
IT'S NOT GOD BEING MEAN.
HE'S NOT TRYING TO LIKE POKE AROUND IN OUR PAST.
REBECCA: NO.
JENNY: RIGHT.
WHAT HE'S SAYING IS,
I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO DRAW YOUR SWORD IN THIS HOUR
WITH SUCH CLARITY AND NO HESITATION.
BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE WOUNDINGS,
WHEN WE HAVE THESE TETHERS OF OUR PAST,
WE HAVE HESITATION IN OUR VOICE.
WE FEEL LIKE A FRAUD.
THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WITH SHAME,
IS IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE A FRAUD.
I DON'T ACTUALLY BELONG HERE.
I CAN'T ACTUALLY PREACH THE WORD.
I MEAN, REBECCA CAN.
I MEAN, SHE'S HER.
BUT NOT ME.
I CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF MY PAST.
SO WE HAVE TO JUST LET THE LORD CLEAN ALL THAT OUT,
AND COME THROUGH AND BE ENGAGED IN HIS LOVE
AND THEN, WHOO, HERE COMES THE ANOINTING,
HERE COMES THE AUTHORITY,
FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
REBECCA: AND IT'S LIKE THE ENEMY WILL USE,
IT'S GOD DOING A GOOD THING,
BECAUSE HE WANTS YOU TO BE IN COMPLETE FREEDOM,
WALK IN THE FULLNESS OF WHO HE'S CALLED YOU TO BE,
BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL YOU GET
THE INNER HEALING YOU NEED.
BECAUSE IT'S LIKE SOMETHING HOLDING YOU BACK.
AND IT'S WHAT THE ENEMY WILL PRESS ON.
JENNY: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA: AND IN IMPORTANT TIMES,
IT'S LIKE A CHINK IN YOUR ARMOR.
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE EXPOSED.
AND SO I JUST THINK ABOUT SO MANY TIMES FOR MYSELF,
AND LIKE THE ENEMY WILL USE IT AGAINST YOU,
AND HE'LL USE IT TO CAUSE PROBLEMS
WITH EVEN OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE.
JENNY: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO I THINK ABOUT EVEN IN MY OWN LIFE,
THE TRIGGERS THAT I HAD FROM MY OWN WOUNDING
FROM MY CHILDHOOD,
AND THE ENEMY WOULD PRESS ON IT
AND THEN I WOULD REACT
AND I WOULD REACT IN MY FLESH
AND I WOULD CAUSE LIKE A BUNCH OF PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW.
AND SO WHEN I WAS ABLE TO GET INNER HEALING,
HE COULDN'T USE THAT AGAINST ME ANYMORE.
JENNY: NOPE.
REBECCA: AND THEN I CAME TO A PLACE
WHERE I WAS LIKE,
I COULD SEE THE, LIKE THE PLAN, THE SCHEME OF IT.
AND I WAS LIKE, I AM NOT -
YOU CAN MAKE ME ANGRY OR HURT OR WHATEVER,
BUT THIS PART OF ME IS HEALED.
I'M NOT GETTING TRIGGERED
AND I'M NOT GOING TO FLARE UP
AND CAUSE PROBLEMS AND CAUSE DIVISION
OR CAUSE WHATEVER
THROUGH MY HURT.
IT'S LIKE THE MOMENT I REALIZED
WHAT WAS GOING ON,
I WAS LIKE YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE ME
TO LIKE HURT OTHER PEOPLE.
JENNY: THAT'S POWERFUL.
REBECCA: AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST
POWERFUL THINGS,
AND IT'S WHAT WE NEED IN THE CHURCH.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RISE ABOVE,
TO WALK IN LOVE.
BECAUSE THE MAIN WAY THE ENEMY USES US,
LIKE THE MAIN WAY THE ENEMY HURTS US
IS THROUGH OTHER BELIEVERS.
THROUGH THEIR OWN WOUNDING.
JENNY: OH, YEAH. YEAH.
IT'S NEVER THE GUY AT, YOU KNOW, 7-ELEVEN,
BEHIND THE COUNTER THAT MADE US SO MAD
THAT RUINED OUR LIFE.
IT'S A SISTER, IT'S A MOTHER, IT'S A FATHER.
REBECCA: BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO CAUSE DIVISION
IN THE CHURCH.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: HE WANTS TO BREAK DOWN COVENANT.
HE WANTS TO BREAK DOWN FRIENDSHIPS.
HE WANTS TO BREAK DOWN MARRIAGES.
HE WANTS TO BREAK DOWN FAMILIES.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND SO ONE OF THE MAIN WAYS HE DOES IT
IS THROUGH OUR WOUNDING,
THROUGH OTHER PEOPLE'S WOUNDING.
AND WHEN WE CAN COME TO A PLACE
WHERE WE DO NOT REACT OUT OF OUR WOUNDING,
WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO RISE ABOVE
AND BE THE PEOPLE GOD'S CALLED US TO BE,
IT'S LIKE WE'RE OPERATING THE WAY
GOD'S CALLED US TO BE.
AND ALSO, ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS,
WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A DIFFICULT TIME,
OR YOU'RE DEALING WITH DIFFICULT PEOPLE,
IS TO NOT OPERATE IN YOUR FLESH.
JENNY: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA: AND TO BE HONORING.
BUT IF YOU ARE HONORING AND YOU DON'T COME DOWN
INTO THE FLESHY LEVEL,
GOD CAN DO SUCH AN AMAZING WORK.
BUT I'M LIKE, I'M TELLING YOU,
I'VE BEEN LEARNING THIS.
MY MOTHER-IN-LAW,
MY MOTHER-IN-LAW IS AN INTERCESSOR
AND SHE'S COACHED ME ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
JENNY: THAT'S AMAZING.
REBECCA: AND SHE'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T -
SHE'S LIKE, I CAN VENT TO HER,
BUT SHE'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T COME OUT OF LIKE
THE SECOND HEAVEN.
YOU'VE GOT TO STAY IN THE HEAVEN,
YOU CAN'T COME DOWN TO THE FLESH.
JENNY: THERE YOU GO.
REBECCA: AND I HAD TO LEARN LIKE,
I CAN'T COME DOWN THERE AND FIGHT.
JENNY: BECAUSE YOU'LL LOSE.
REBECCA: NO, YOU WILL.
IT WILL JUST RUIN EVERYTHING.
JENNY: YEAH.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I WROTE THE BOOK,
WAKE UP DEAD.
BECAUSE I WAS GOING THROUGH -
REBECCA: WHICH, HEY, SHOUT OUT.
JENNY: THERE IT IS.
REBECCA: WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THIS?
JUST PLUG IT NOW.
JENNY: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
YOU CAN GET IT ON OUR MINISTRY WEBSITE,
WHICH IS HERVOICEMVMT.COM,
OR WAKEUPDEADBOOK.COM.
REBECCA: NICE.
JENNY: BUT I WENT THROUGH -
I MEAN WE GO THROUGH SO MUCH, RIGHT?
REBECCA: MM-HMM.
JENNY: BUT I GOT TO A PLACE WHERE
GOD WANTED TO UPGRADE,
WANTED TO ADVANCE MY LIFE.
AND HE DOES THESE SEASONS WHERE IT'S LIKE,
OKAY, IT'S TIME TO GRADUATE FROM THIS.
BUT IN ORDER TO GO INTO THE NEXT SEASON,
THINGS ARE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE.
AND I WAS LIKE, YES, LORD.
MAKE ME INTO NEW WINE.
WELL, I DID NOT THINK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
REBECCA: I KNOW.
IT'S SUCH A PAINFUL PROCESS.
JENNY: OF NEW WINE.
I DIDN'T THINK THAT PRAYER THROUGH.
AND SO THE CRUSHING CAME,
THE FERMENTING,
WHICH IS WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE CRAZINESS IS OVER,
THE BETRAYAL, ALL THE THINGS,
BUT YOU'RE JUST LAYING THERE LIKE ROADKILL,
LIKE YOU'RE DEAD, YOU KNOW.
BUT GOD BROUGHT ME THROUGH THAT AND HE SAID,
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A GRAPE, YOU'RE SWEET.
AND I SAID, BUT I WANT TO BE POTENT.
I WANT TO BE A POTENT CHRISTIAN.
I WANT TO SEE PEOPLE RAISED FROM THE DEAD.
AND HE GOES, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIE.
YOU KNOW, AS CHRISTIANS, WE LIKE JESUS
TO DO ALL THE DYING,
AND THEN WE DO ALL THE RESURRECTING.
BUT HE SAID -
AND THE WORD OF GOD INVITES US INTO A DEATH PROCESS.
BUT IT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M GOING TO DIE TO DEFENDING MYSELF.
THEY'RE LYING ABOUT ME.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA DIE TO LIKE,
WELL, I WAS RIGHT AND MY HUSBAND,
HE KNOWS BETTER THAN THAT.
YOU KNOW, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE
TO DIE DAILY.
AND HE JUST TOLD ME, HE SAID, JENNY,
IF YOU WILL WAKE UP AS A DEAD PERSON,
I WILL WORK POWERFULLY THROUGH YOU.
BUT YOU CAN'T EXPECT RESURRECTION
WHEN YOU ARE FIGHTING TO BE ALIVE IN WAYS
I'VE CALLED YOU TO BE DEAD.
AND SO THERE'S THIS VERY SWEET REWARD
WITH DYING AND LAYING YOUR LIFE DOWN.
BECAUSE OUR LIFE ISN'T OUR OWN.
A LOT OF TIMES, I SAID THE SINNER PRAYER
AND NOW I'M A CHRISTIAN.
AND I HAVE AMERICAN JESUS.
AND AMERICAN JESUS IS SUPPOSED TO LIKE
BLESS ALL MY PLANS.
THAT'S WHAT HE -
MORE LIKE A GENIE JESUS.
BUT THAT'S - THAT IS NOT OUR GOSPEL.
THE GOSPEL IS I DON'T OWN MY LIFE.
I'M GIVING UP MY LIFE.
I'M GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO BE GOD.
I'M GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO BE WOUNDED.
I'M GIVING UP THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT HARD, YOU KNOW,
BUT IT MEANS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT?
ALL OF THAT IS NOT MINE,
AND NOW I'M JUST GONNA -
I'M JUST GONNA BECOME ONE WITH GOD.
SO, BUT EVERYTHING WE WANT,
EVERYTHING THAT'S SWEET AND GOOD AND WONDERFUL
AND THE PURPOSES OF OUR LIFE,
ARE ACTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DYING.
REBECCA: IT'S TRUE.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE VERSES IN THE BIBLE
IS WHEN PAUL SAYS,
I WANT TO KNOW CHRIST,
AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE POWER
OF HIS RESURRECTION,
BUT IT ALSO SAYS BEFORE THAT,
THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS.
JENNY: THERE YOU GO.
REBECCA: I WANT TO BE LIKE HIM IN HIS DEATH.
AND THEN IT SAYS - JENNY: WHOO!
REBECCA: AND SO IT'S LIKE WE WANT THE POWER
OF THE RESURRECTION,
SOME PEOPLE WANT THAT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THE -
JENNY: BUT SKIRT AROUND.
SKIRT AROUND THE APOLOGY.
SKIRT AROUND LIKE ANYTHING.
LIKE GOD BROUGHT IT UP,
I FOUND MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY,
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SKIRT AROUND SOMETHING.
TO PRESERVE OUR OWN FLESH,
TO PRESERVE OUR OWN PRIDE.
REBECCA: WHICH IS LIKE YOUR WAY.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: I WANT IT MY WAY.
I WANT TO DEFEND MYSELF.
I WANT TO DO THIS. I WANT TO DO THAT.
JENNY: YEAH. WHO DOESN'T?
REBECCA: YEAH.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S CONSTANT, AND IT'S REALLY
THE DIFFICULT THINGS
THAT HELP PUSH AND GET THAT STUFF OUT OF YOU.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: THERE'S TWO OTHER VERSES
THAT TALK ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF MY FAVORITES IS IN HEBREWS.
IT SAYS, JESUS LEARNED OBEDIENCE THROUGH
THE THINGS HE SUFFERED.
AND IT'S LIKE, HE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS
HIMSELF ON EARTH.
JENNY: I LOVE THAT.
REBECCA: AND HE WAS PERFECT,
BUT HE WAS A HIGH PRIEST
THAT CAN UNDERSTAND US.
AND HE UNDERSTANDS US BECAUSE HE SUFFERED
ON THIS EARTH.
SO THAT HE CAN UNDERSTAND OUR SUFFERINGS AS WELL
AND OUR TEMPTATIONS
AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THEN ANOTHER VERSE IS,
PAUL SAYS, SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE
THE LACK OF CHRIST'S AFFLICTIONS.
AND WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO
IS HE'S SAYING, CHRIST DIDN'T LACK AFFLICTION,
BUT HE WAS SAYING, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED
ENOUGH AFFLICTION
THAT I'VE BEEN CONFORMED ENOUGH
TO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST.
AND SO PAUL, WHO SUFFERED SO MUCH,
IS SAYING I NEED TO SUFFER MORE
BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE STILL PARTS OF HIS FLESH
NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND HE HAD THAT REVELATION.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE REVELATION
THAT SUFFERING -
AND I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD
BECAUSE SOMETIMES I'D READ IT AND BE LIKE,
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
BUT HE WOULD TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
I HAVE TO SUFFER
SO THAT THE GOSPEL MAY COME OUT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED,
FOR PEOPLE TO BE REACHED,
ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED IS THAT
OUR SUFFERING ISN'T JUST TO DO SOMETHING GOOD
WITHIN US TO AFFECT OTHERS,
BUT WHEN WE SUFFER, IT ALSO HELPS SPREAD THE KINGDOM.
BUT THAT'S NOT LIKE A REALLY FUN MESSAGE
FOR OUR FLESH.
JENNY: RIGHT.
REBECCA: BUT IF YOU ARE SUFFERING
AND YOU HAVE DIED TO SELF,
IT'S ENCOURAGING.
BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THIS HAS A PURPOSE.
LIKE IT'S NOT PURPOSELESS PAIN.
JUST LIKE GIVING BIRTH OR BEING PREGNANT,
SINCE YOU HAVE FIVE KIDS.
THAT IS PURPOSEFUL PAIN.
LABOR IS PURPOSEFUL PAIN.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EASY,
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOUR BODY WAS DESIGNED TO DO
AND IT HAS A PURPOSE.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S LIKE THE CATERPILLAR,
JUST A REALLY SIMPLE WAY TO LOOK AT THIS.
REBECCA: I HEARD THAT METAPHOR, BY THE WAY.
JENNY: I KNOW, ME TOO, IT WORKS SO WELL WITH THIS.
IT'S IT, RIGHT?
SO HERE'S THIS CATERPILLAR ON THE GROUND.
CAN'T GET ANYWHERE VERY FAST.
ALWAYS ON THE GROUND.
BUT HE OR SHE IS NOT AWARE
THAT THERE ARE WINGS WRAPPED IN THE INNER PART.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
WINGS DON'T COME OUT UNTIL THE CATERPILLAR
HAS TO TRY TO GET OUT OF WHAT?
RESISTANCE.
PAIN.
SUFFERING.
HE GETS UP IN THIS CHRYSALIS,
AND IT ACTUALLY GOES IN,
IT'S CALLED A J FORMATION.
IT MAKES A J.
I'M THINKING, JESUS, RIGHT.
IT MAKES A J FORMATION,
AND THEN ONCE THE CHRYSALIS IS FORMED,
THE GOAL IS, NOW ESCAPE.
NOW PRESS.
AND THE LITTLE TINY LEGS WON'T BREAK THE CHRYSALIS.
SO SOMETHING INSIDE THAT'S GREATER AND STRONGER
HAS TO COME AND EMERGE.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN SUFFERING.
THE WINGS THAT ARE INSIDE OF US,
THE ANOINTING,
THE GREATER COURAGE THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN
OURSELVES HAVE,
THE BOLDNESS THAT WE THINK, OH, THEY'RE BOLD,
THEY'RE BOLD.
NO, BOLDNESS IS ACTUALLY ALREADY HARDWIRED
ON THE INSIDE OF US
FROM OUR CREATOR.
EVERYTHING WE NEED IS ALREADY ON THE INSIDE.
BUT WE JUST NEED SOME RESISTANCE
TO THEN, OKAY, I'VE GOT TO ESCAPE.
I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA DIE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.
AND THEN, BOOM, HERE COME THESE BEAUTIFUL WINGS.
AND IF YOU SLIT A CHRYSALIS TOO SOON,
AND HERE COMES THE BUTTERFLY,
IT FALLS TO THE GROUND,
AND IT DIDN'T GET -
THE WINGS GET THEIR STRENGTH FROM PRESSING,
PRESSING, PRESSING, PRESSING.
LIKE WEIGHT TRAINING, RIGHT?
NOW, HERE'S THIS BUTTERFLY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY RELEASE CATERPILLARS
AT THEIR WEDDING.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REBECCA: THAT WOULDN'T BE VERY CUTE.
JENNY: NO, YOU'D BE LIKE, OH, GOSH,
WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE?
BUT HERE'S THE BUTTERFLIES
WHO HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE,
A DIFFERENT VIEW,
A DIFFERENT PATH,
CAN GET PLACES A CATERPILLAR WOULD NEVER GO,
SEE THINGS A CATERPILLAR WOULD NEVER SEE.
THIS IS RESURRECTION POWER
THAT ONLY COMES THROUGH EMBRACING THE RESISTANCE.
JAMES ALSO SAID DON'T TRY TO GET
OUT OF ANYTHING PREMATURELY,
BUT LET IT DO ITS PERFECT WORK.
REBECCA: SO THE REASON WHY I LOVE
THAT METAPHOR SO MUCH,
IS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN ONE OF THE
HARDEST SEASONS OF MY LIFE,
AND I JUST WANTED TO GET OUT -
JENNY: YEAH, YOU JUST WANT TO JUMP OUT.
REBECCA: YEAH, FOR A LONG TIME WITH TRIALS,
I JUST WANTED TO JUST GET OUT OF IT,
AND I WOULD JUST PRAY, GET ME OUT, LORD, YOU KNOW.
AND I DID NOT HANDLE IT RIGHT.
I WAS COMPLAINING.
BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED BY EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON
BECAUSE IT WAS HARD.
I DIDN'T SEE GOD,
WHERE GOD WAS IN IT.
AND I REMEMBER ONE DAY I WAS WALKING WITH MY FIRST -
I ONLY HAD ONE KID AT THE TIME,
AND WE WERE AT THE PARK AND THERE WAS LIKE
SO MANY CATERPILLARS
BUILDING THEIR COCOON.
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN IT AT THAT PARK
REALLY SINCE THEN.
AND IT WAS LIKE I COULDN'T MISS THEM.
LIKE, THEY JUST KEPT,
LIKE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE
WHERE WE WERE WALKING
BECAUSE THERE WERE TREES OVERHEAD.
AND I WAS LIKE, I JUST FEEL LIKE I'M SUPPOSED TO -
AND ON THAT WAY TO THAT PARK,
I HAD JUST POURED MY HEART OUT.
I WAS LIKE, I'M SO -
I WAS PROBABLY THE MOST FRUSTRATED
I EVER HAVE BEEN.
AND I FELT LIKE I WAS SUPPOSED TO
READ ABOUT CATERPILLARS.
AND SO I REMEMBER JUST SITTING DOWN,
AND I READ THAT WHEN THEY ARE IN THE COCOON,
THEY ACTUALLY COMPLETELY LIKE LIQUIFY -
JENNY: WOW.
REBECCA: WHICH PRODUCES THE FUEL THAT THEY NEED
TO THEN BECOME THE BUTTERFLY AND PUSH OUT.
JENNY: WOW.
REBECCA: AND THERE WAS A DEVOTIONAL I READ
WHERE A PERSON SAW A BUTTERFLY
STRUGGLING TO GET OUT OF THE COCOON
AND THEY SLIT THE CHRYSALIS, THE COCOON.
AND THE BUTTERFLY JUST CAME OUT WOBBLING
AND ITS WINGS WERE JUST WRINKLED.
AND THEY SAID, I THOUGHT I WAS
HELPING THE BUTTERFLY
BY HELPING IT GET OUT OF THE STRUGGLE,
BUT I WAS ONLY HURTING IT.
BECAUSE THE BUTTERFLY NEEDED THAT STRUGGLE
FOR THE WINGS TO FLY.
AND I REMEMBER GOD SPOKE TO ME AND HE SAYS,
I'M NOT GOING TO STOP THIS PROCESS HALFWAY,
I'M GOING TO LET IT DO THE COMPLETE WORK IN YOU
SO THAT YOU CAN FLY.
JENNY: WOW.
REBECCA: SO IT WAS HARD IN THE MOMENT,
BUT LOOKING BACK, NOW IT MAKES SENSE.
A LOT OF TIMES THINGS MAKE SENSE DOWN THE LINE,
DOWN THE ROAD LATER AND YOU LOOK BACK
AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THANK GOD.
AND NOW I LOOK BACK
AND I WOULDN'T CHANGE IT FOR ANYTHING.
BECAUSE IT DID WHAT IT NEEDED TO DO.
THOSE HARDSHIPS DID WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO IN ME,
AND I CAME OUT OF IT A BETTER WIFE,
A BETTER MOTHER,
A BETTER DAUGHTER OF THE LORD.
AND SO THAT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE METAPHORS
JENNY: I LOVE THAT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE I LITERALLY, I WAS LIKE,
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DYING SOMETIMES.
JENNY: MM-HMM.
REBECCA: BUT IF YOU DON'T GIVE UP
AND YOU PERSEVERE AND YOU TRUST GOD,
AND I THINK ONE OF THE BEST THINGS TO DO IN STORMS
IS TO PRAISE HIM AND JUST SAY,
I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M NOT GONNA STOP.
BECAUSE THE ENEMY JUST WANTS YOU TO STOP.
HE WANTS YOU TO LOSE HOPE.
HE WANTS YOU TO GIVE UP.
AND GOD WANTS YOU TO KEEP GOING.
AND IT WILL MAKE SENSE.
IT WILL PRODUCE SOMETHING GOOD.
IT WILL BE WORTH IT IF YOU'RE LIVING
IN OBEDIENCE TO HIM.
JENNY: COME ON.
REBECCA: IT MIGHT BE HARD.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE UP,
BUT GOD IS DOING SOMETHING GOOD IN YOU,
AND HE'S FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE THE WORK IN US,
BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP GOING.
AND SO IT'S LIKE THAT VERSE SAYS,
WE RUN THAT RACE
AND FOR THE JOY THAT WAS SET BEFORE HIM,
IT SAYS JESUS ENDURED THE CROSS
SCORNING ITS SHAME.
WHICH MEANT THAT HE WASN'T EVEN GONNA LET
THE SHAME BOTHER HIM.
LIKE, HE DIDN'T EVEN LET IT STOP HIM.
HE HAD THAT JOY SET BEFORE HIM,
WHICH WAS US.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND US BEING IN THE FAMILY OF GOD.
AND SO IT'S LIKE, WE HAVE TO SET OUR EYES ON HIM,
KNOWING LIKE, OKAY, I'M GOING TO ENDURE THIS,
KNOWING THAT IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS
OUR GREAT WEIGHTS IN THIS LIFE,
PAUL SAYS ARE LIKE SMALL AND MOMENTARY TROUBLES
IN COMPARISON TO THE WEIGHT OF GLORY
THAT IS IN STORE IN ETERNITY.
JENNY: WOW.
REBECCA: AND SO I ALWAYS JUST LIKE TO THINK ABOUT
LIKE HEAVEN AND THAT GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES.
NOW THAT MY DAD'S IN HEAVEN,
I THINK ABOUT MY DAD,
AND LIKE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO POURED INTO ME
THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE GONE BEFORE ME.
AND I'M LIKE, I'VE GOT TO KEEP GOING.
JENNY: COME ON, YOU DO.
REBECCA: AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE,
I KNOW IT SOUNDS SILLY,
BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ROOTING FOR ME.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: LIKE WHICH GETS ME EMOTIONAL.
JENNY: OH, IT'S SO IMPORTANT, THOUGH,
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON YOUR COURAGE.
PEOPLE FOLLOW COURAGE
AND IT'S YOUR COURAGE, REBECCA,
THAT THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS,
THAT'S WHY THEY NEED, THEY NEED COURAGE.
AND THIS IS A REALLY GOOD THING FOR MOTHERS
AND I THINK YOU'RE STANDING HERE TODAY,
OR SITTING HERE TODAY,
IN PLACE OF SO MANY MOTHERS.
AND ONE THING WE CAN DO AS MOTHERS
IS DISCERN THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN OUR KIDS IN WARFARE,
AND WE NEED TO STEP IN AND WAR OVER THEM,
AND WHEN THEY'RE IN A CHRYSALIS.
BECAUSE IF WE RESCUE OUR CHILDREN
FROM THE PAIN OF, OH,
YOU WAITED UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT
TO DO THAT HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT?
OH, THAT'S GONNA BE A BAD GRADE FOR YOU TOMORROW
UNLESS YOU STAY UP LATER.
IF WE SAVE OUR CHILDREN FROM EVERY OUNCE OF PAIN,
WE WILL WONDER WHY THEY ARE AN ADULT
WHO RUNS FROM EVERYTHING.
OKAY.
SO THIS IS LIKE HONING IN ON -
THIS IS WHAT I TELL MY CHILDREN, OKAY.
SO THERE'S GOD,
AND THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT, THROUGH HIS WORD,
HE WILL SPEAK TO YOU
AND HE'LL GIVE YOU INSTRUCTION.
NOW THAT TAKES SOME TIME
TO WORK THAT OUT.
A LIFETIME, RIGHT, TO FIGURE ALL THAT OUT.
BUT THERE'S ME AND YOUR DAD.
AND HIM AND I ARE LISTENING TO GOD
THE BEST WE CAN,
AND USING WISDOM AND EXPERIENCE TO ALSO GUIDE YOU.
AND WHEN NEITHER OF THOSE WORK FOR YOU
BECAUSE YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN
TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE OR WHATEVER,
YOU HAVE A BETTER PLAN OR A BETTER IDEA,
PAIN WILL BE WAITING TO LEAD YOU BACK TO THE PATH.
MOST PARENTS ARE SO AFRAID
OF THEIR CHILDREN FEELING PAIN
THAT THEY TRY TO KEEP THEM ON THOSE PATHS,
BUT THEY WON'T WANT PAIN DO ITS WORK.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WARFARE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WAR OVER OUR KIDS.
BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE IT'S LIKE,
OOH, THIS IS GOING TO HELP MY CHILD. RIGHT?
LIKE, THIS LITTLE THING RIGHT HERE,
I PROBABLY NEED TO LET THEM EXPERIENCE IT,
SO THAT THEY CAN GET THOSE WINGS PRESSED OUT.
BUT I JUST KNOW THAT YOU'RE SUCH
AN ENCOURAGEMENT
TO WOMEN WITH THAT ENCOURAGEMENT.
LIKE, YOU'RE LITERALLY IMPARTING COURAGE.
REBECCA: OH, THANK YOU.
JENNY: TO WOMEN WITH YOUNG KIDS ESPECIALLY.
REBECCA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, MOTHERHOOD HAS BEEN, LIKE HARD,
LIKE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS I'VE DONE,
BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN ONE OF THE MOST REWARDING.
AND IT'S BROUGHT SO MUCH -
SO MUCH OF MY INNER HEALING CAME THROUGH
HAVING MY CHILDREN AND JUST HAVING TO -
GOD'S USED IT TO ADDRESS MY OWN CHILDHOOD AND STUFF.
AND SO IT'S BEEN THIS REWARDING EXPERIENCE.
SO EVEN GETTING MY OWN HEALING,
BEING FREE FROM MY OWN SHAME,
EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,
WITHIN ME IS LIKE RISING UP,
AND FEELING LIKE, OKAY, TAKE MY PLACE
IN THE KINGDOM.
AND I WANT TO HELP OTHER WOMEN.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT'S LIKE AS GOD'S REVEALING IT TO YOU,
YOU'RE LIKE, OH, I WANT IT.
IT'S LIKE HE SHARES HIS HEART AND HIS VISION,
AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, I WANT TO TAP INTO THAT.
AND THAT'S EVEN HOW I FEEL WITH INTERCESSION.
IT'S LIKE, I'M STARTING TO SEE,
OH, I'M FINALLY UNDERSTANDING
I HAVE A PLACE IN THIS
JENNY: YES, YOU DO.
REBECCA: AS A MOM.
AND I NEED TO BE TAPPING INTO THAT.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT WORD,
THAT WAS REALLY KIND AND ENCOURAGING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE SAYING
JUST EARLIER THOUGH, IS,
THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN
FROM DIFFICULTY.
AND I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY SO IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK IN THIS DAY AND AGE ESPECIALLY
BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF IN MY GENERATION,
I SEE THE HELICOPTER PARENT.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND IT'S LIKE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR CHILD
TO DO ANYTHING DIFFICULT.
LIKE EVEN LITTLE, LITTLE KIDS.
THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO CLIMB ANYTHING,
THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO JUMP OFF ANYTHING.
I UNDERSTAND PROTECTING YOUR CHILD,
BUT I REMEMBER ONE OF THE THINGS
I WAS THINKING ABOUT,
BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD THIS WITH MY FIRST.
I WANTED TO PROTECT HIM FROM EVERYTHING.
ANY MEAN CHILD.
ANYTHING BAD.
AND YOU'LL DRIVE YOURSELF CRAZY.
JENNY: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA: AND HE WAS JUST LITTLE.
LIKE, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHEN THEY GET OLDER,
THEY'RE GONNA BE FACING SO MUCH MORE.
BUT I REMEMBER HEARING JORDAN PEARSON AND HE SAYS,
YOUR CHILDREN HAVE TO -
HE SAID EXACTLY THE SAME YOU DO.
YOUR CHILDREN HAVE TO FACE DIFFICULTY
OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BECOME RESILIENT
AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE WORLD.
JENNY: THAT'S IT.
REBECCA: THEY'RE GONNA COME IN WEAK.
AND I EVEN THINK MY GENERATION
KIND OF SUFFERED A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT.
LIKE THEY ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE US LIKE HAPPY,
AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE THESE MILLENNIALS
THAT ARE KIND OF DISGRUNTLED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE DON'T ALL GET A TROPHY.
WE DON'T ALL GET REWARDED.
JENNY: NO.
REBECCA: IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SAD WAKE-UP CALL
FOR A LOT OF US.
AND SO I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, MY GENERATION,
I WANT US TO EMBRACE IT.
IT'S NOT A CRUEL THING
TO DISCIPLINE YOUR CHILD.
IT'S NOT A CRUEL THING
TO LET YOUR CHILDREN
EXPERIENCE THE CONSEQUENCES TO THEIR ACTIONS.
BECAUSE HOW ELSE ARE THEY GONNA LEARN.
AND THIS IS THE SAFEST PLACE THEY COULD LEARN.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: BETTER TO LEARN IT AT HOME
WITH PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOU,
THAN OUT IN THE WORLD WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH.
AND I JUST TELL MY KIDS,
YOU KNOW, PAIN IS A VERY GOOD TEACHER.
AND THE CHOICE IS YOURS.
YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE THERE TO GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE,
THE WORD OF GOD IS THERE FOR YOU,
GOD IS THERE,
BUT PAIN IS A GOOD TEACHER, TOO.
SO THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WAIT,
WHICH ONE SHOULD I CHOOSE?
AND THEY START LEARNING,
OKAY, NOW WHAT DID YOU SAY, MOM?
REBECCA: BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL -
JENNY: HUH-HUH.
AND NOW MY KIDS,
I HAVE TWO ADULT KIDS
THAT ARE 19 AND 21.
THEY TEXT ME, THEY'RE BOTH AT BIBLE COLLEGE
IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
THEY TEXT ME, MOM, I HAD THIS DREAM.
CAN YOU HELP ME INTERPRET IT?
HEY, MOM, THIS IS HAPPENING AT SCHOOL.
AND THEY'RE WANTING TO PROBLEM SOLVE WITH ME.
THEY ACTUALLY DON'T WANT ME TO GIVE THEM
THE FULL ANSWERS OF EVERYTHING,
BUT IT'S BECAUSE -
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: THAT'S SUCH A GOOD GIFT
TO GIVE YOUR CHILDREN,
BECAUSE THAT TOOK ME A WHILE LONGER TO GET THERE.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: I WAS JUST WANTING TO BE TOLD
WHAT TO DO.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU WANT TO EMPOWER SOMEONE UP
SO THAT THEY WILL GO OUT
AND THEY CAN WORK WITH YOU
BUT TO HEAR GOD FOR THEMSELVES
AND TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS
BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO GET TO THAT PLACE.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA EVEN HAVE
YOUR PARENTS, YOU KNOW.
SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S SO COOL, THOUGH.
JENNY: I THINK IT'S LIKE EVEN ASKING,
IF YOU HAVE LITTLE KIDS AT HOME,
YOU KNOW, IF THEY ASK YOU A QUESTION,
SOMETIMES IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SAY,
WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK GOD IS TELLING YOU
ABOUT THAT?
AND THEY MIGHT BE LIKE, OH, MOM, I DON'T KNOW.
STOP ASKING ME.
BUT I WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO LIKE,
WHAT IS GOD SAYING?
AND THEN I'M GONNA BE THERE.
I WOULD JUST SAY THIS.
THAT SUNDAY SCHOOL IS NOT DISCIPLESHIP
FOR OUR CHILDREN.
THAT'S JUST A SPRINKLE
ON TOP OF THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT.
SO AS MOTHERS, WE GET TO DISCIPLE
OUR CHILDREN THROUGH PAIN.
LIKE, TAKE A PAINFUL SITUATION,
AN EXAMPLE, MY DAUGHTER,
WE PLANTED A CHURCH WITH ANOTHER COUPLE.
SHE'S 12 YEARS OLD.
THEY HAVE A 12-YEAR-OLD BOY.
AND HE SAYS SOMETHING, HURTS HER FEELINGS.
AND SHE'S MAD.
AND I SAID, OKAY, WELL, YOU'RE MAD, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE TWO WAYS WE CAN HANDLE THIS.
NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN GO PRAY.
YOU CAN LET HIM GO AND TOTALLY FORGIVE HIM
IN YOUR HEART.
ABSOLUTELY FORGIVE HIM.
BUT THAT WOULD MEAN
YOU WOULD BE DONE
AND YOU WOULDN'T HOLD IT AGAINST HIM
AND YOU WOULDN'T BE MAD ANYMORE.
JUST LITERALLY FLUSH OUT OF YOUR HEART.
AND YOU CAN GO DO THAT IN YOUR BEDROOM.
OR I'LL HELP YOU RIGHT NOW, YOUR CHOICE.
OR YOU COULD CALL HIM AND SAY,
WOW, YOU REALLY HURT MY FEELINGS,
CAN I TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT,
AND WORK IT OUT THAT WAY.
BUT WHICH ONE?
BECAUSE STAYING MAD, LIKE YOUR FEELINGS BEING HURT,
THAT'S OKAY.
STAYING HERE, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE,
WHICH ONE ARE YOU GONNA DO,
AND BOTH OF THEM WILL LEAD TO YOUR HEART,
IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE HEART BEING CLEAN,
AND DISCIPLING OUR KIDS THROUGH THAT,
IT'S A JOY TO DO IT.
NOW AT THE BEGINNING, I WAS LIKE,
OH, NO, WHAT'S HAPPENING, RIGHT?
BUT SINCE I'VE HAD MORE KIDS, IT'S LIKE,
OH, THIS IS COOL.
I GET TO DISCIPLE THEM THROUGH THIS.
AND SO SHE CHOSE TO CALL HIM.
SHE CALLED HIM UP AND IT WAS DONE.
IT WAS DONE IN TWO SECONDS.
BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AS ADULTS?
I HAVE TO EITHER GO TO THE PERSON
ADDRESS THEM, WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON'T DO,
WHICH IS HOW THE GOSSIP STARTS
AND THE CIRCLES OF CRAZINESS,
OR I NEED TO GO AND JUST LET IT GO,
AND ASK GOD, I'M GONNA PRAY FOR THEM,
I'M GONNA ASK GOD TO FORGIVE ME,
I'M GONNA REPENT.
I'M GONNA LET IT GO.
REBECCA: AND BOTH ARE GOOD WAYS.
JENNY: THEY'RE BOTH GOOD WAYS.
AND THEY BOTH CAN WORK REALLY WELL.
REBECCA: BUT, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT TO WORK AT HOME.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: WHAT A GOOD THING TO TEACH YOUR KIDS.
I JUST THINK THAT STUFF IS SO IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW.
I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE FOCUS ON CERTAIN THINGS
BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT,
BUT WE CAN'T NEGLECT THAT STUFF
BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS THE BUILDING BLOCKS
TO A SUCCESSFUL LIFE.
AND A FLOURISHING LIFE,
IS TEACHING HOW TO GUARD YOUR HEART,
HOW TO MAINTAIN PURITY IN YOUR HEART,
HOW TO KEEP LIKE THE LOVE OF GOD FLOWING,
NOT LETTING LIKE OFFENSE OR THINGS PILE UP
IN THE HEART.
JENNY: THAT'S HUGE.
REBECCA: AND LEARNING HOW TO COMMUNICATE
WHETHER IT'S DEALING WITH -
YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATING,
GOING STRAIGHT TO THE PERSON,
NOT GOING AROUND.
IT'S LIKE IF MORE PEOPLE COULD LEARN THAT
THEY WOULD JUST BE -
IT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER FOR THEM
WHEN THEY GET TO ADULTHOOD.
JENNY: WELL, WHEN THEY'RE YOUNGER,
THEY'LL DO IT MORE WILLINGLY
BECAUSE THE FEAR OF MAN
HASN'T TAKEN MASSIVE ROOT.
REBECCA: AND THEY'RE MORE -
THEIR HEART'S MORE SOFT, I THINK.
JENNY: MM-HMM.
REBECCA: THEY HAVE GREATER BELIEF,
GREATER TRUST WHEN THEY'RE LITTLE.
JENNY: AND FORGIVENESS IS REALLY FAST.
YOU HURT MY FEELINGS.
IT'S LIKE, I'M SO SORRY.
AND IT'S OVER.
BECAUSE THINGS DON'T STICK AS HARD.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: SO THAT'S A REALLY GREAT WAY.
THE ROOT OF THIS IS A CLEAN HEART,
LIKE A HEART THAT'S NOT OFFENDED,
BECAUSE AN OFFENDED HEART
IS HARDER TO WIN OVER
THAN A, YOU KNOW, A WALLED CITY.
SO REALLY, REALLY, TERRIBLE
TO ALLOW OUR CHILD TO HAVE AN OFFENDED HEART.
I WOULD JUST SAY, THAT'S OUR MAIN THING,
IS JUST A HEART THAT IS TENDER AND CAN STAY SOFT.
REBECCA: THE BIGGEST THING WITH THAT
IS NOT HAVING AN OFFENDED HEART YOURSELF AS A PARENT.
JENNY: WELL, THERE YOU GO.
THAT STARTS THERE.
REBECCA: THAT'S LIKE - WHERE DO WE START?
THAT'S LIKE THE FIRST THING.
BECAUSE YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAND YOUR OFFENSE DOWN.
JENNY: A HUNDRED PERCENT.
A SECONDHAND OFFENSE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU TREAT YOUR KID LIKE YOUR FRIEND.
JENNY: OH, IT'S OVER.
REBECCA: AND THEN YOU SHARE WITH THEM
HOW SOMEONE HURT YOU.
IT'S JUST LIKE NOT GOOD.
JENNY: NO, BECAUSE THEY'LL TAKE UP THE OFFENSE.
REBECCA: BECAUSE THEY LOVE YOU.
JENNY: YEAH. YEAH.
THAT'S AMAZING.
SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE MOTHERS AND DADS,
TO BE SO PROACTIVE WITH THEIR OWN HEART.
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ON THAT ONE.
BECAUSE, REMEMBER, WHEN WE'RE OFFENDED
AND WE'RE LOCKED UP AND WE'RE SILENT
THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH
THE DISCIPLESHIP PROCESS.
SO IT IS US FIRST
TAKING OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS THROUGH
THIS PROCESS.
AND IT'S SO COOL BECAUSE WHEN MY KIDS BECAME ADULTS
I WAS LIKE, AHH, IT'S WORKING.
I WATCHED MY KIDS BLOSSOM.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, MY GOODNESS,
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU WERE LISTENING
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S THE MOST REWARDING THING
TO WATCH YOUR YOUNG ADULTS JUST SOAR.
NOW, THEY'RE NOT PERFECT.
BUT IT'S PRETTY AMAZING.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SURE IT'S ALL WORKING
WHEN THEY'RE IN YOUR HOUSE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
REBECCA: YOU DON'T SEE IT UNTIL LIKE FURTHER DOWN.
WHAT DID YOU DO WITH YOUR MARRIAGE,
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY SO EASY
TO FIGHT WITH YOUR SPOUSE,
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON,
AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR KIDS ARE SOMETIMES THERE.
SO LIKE, HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THINGS
WHEN YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE HAD SOMETHING
AND YOUR KIDS WERE WATCHING?
JENNY: IT DEPENDS ON WHAT LEVEL
OF INTENSITY IS HAPPENING, RIGHT.
SO WE'LL WORK OUT SOLUTIONS,
MAYBE ON A LEVEL ONE, A LEVEL TWO.
AND WHEN WE'VE DONE A LEVEL THREE IN FRONT OF THEM -
THEY STILL REFER TO THE ARGUMENT WE HAD IN THE CAR
WHEN WE WERE DRIVING.
LIKE, THEY CAN REMEMBER IT.
LIKE, WHEN JUST, IT WAS LIKE, WHOOSH.
AND IN THAT MOMENT, I WAS LIKE,
OH, MAN, I'M GONNA BE REPENTING OVER THIS ONE.
I'LL BE APOLOGIZING TO EVERYBODY.
IT EXPLODED.
THEY REMEMBER IT.
THEY ALSO REMEMBER US APOLOGIZING TO EACH OTHER.
THEY ALSO REMEMBER US APOLOGIZING TO THEM.
DO I WANT TO KEEP DOING THAT OVER AND OVER?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
BUT IT KIND OF MADE HISTORY FOR THE FAMILY, OKAY.
BUT THAT'S OKAY.
BECAUSE GOD CAN REDEEM ALL OF THAT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING,
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HIDE EVERY
HARD CONVERSATION FROM OUR KIDS.
BECAUSE HOW DO YOU LEARN, YOU KNOW -
REBECCA: HOW TO RESOLVE CONFLICT.
JENNY: HOW TO RESOLVE CONFLICT.
IT IS CAUGHT.
REBECCA: IF IT'S NEVER -
BECAUSE SOME KIDS NEVER SEE THEIR PARENTS -
THERE'S TWO EXTREMES.
THEY NEVER SEE THEIR PARENTS FIGHT.
AND SO THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW PEOPLE FIGHT.
AND THE OTHER EXTREME IS,
THEY ALWAYS SEE THEM FIGHT
AND IT'S LIKE THE INTENSE FIGHTS.
THERE'S NO RESOLUTION.
JENNY: MY PARENTS WERE, THEY WERE SEPARATED
WHEN I WAS FIVE,
DIVORCED WHEN I WAS SEVEN.
AND I NEVER SAW THEM ARGUE A SINGLE TIME.
I NEVER SAW A SINGLE FIGHT,
A SINGLE CONFLICT.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
SO THEN THE DIVORCE MUST HAVE REALLY THROWN YOU?
JENNY: OH.
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING WAS WRONG?
JENNY: AT ALL.
REBECCA: OH, NO.
JENNY: AND SO IT WASN'T UNTIL I WAS A SENIOR
IN HIGH SCHOOL,
THAT I SAID, MOM, I THINK -
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
OUR RELATIONSHIP CAME INTO SUCH
LIKE CONNECTEDNESS, AND HONOR AND RESPECT,
WHEN I FOUND OUT HER STORY
AND SHE DID IT WITH SUCH GRACE.
SHE DIDN'T DO IT AS A VICTIM.
SHE JUST SHARED WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW, SHE'S A BABY BOOMER.
AND BEFORE THE BOOMERS WAS THE SILENT GENERATION.
SHE DID THE BEST SHE COULD.
BUT BEING SILENT WAS THE ONLY THING THEY KNEW.
I NEEDED, YOU KNOW, I NEEDED TO KNOW LIKE,
APPARENTLY THERE WAS CONFLICT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD ARGUE
IN FRONT OF OUR KIDS ALL THE TIME,
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, IT'S OKAY FOR THEM
TO SORT THINGS OUT.
BUT IF YOU GET TO A LEVEL THREE,
LIKE, NUMBER ONE, GET TO YOUR KNEES
AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN APOLOGIZING.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, I WILL -
YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND, HEY, YOU KNOW,
I APOLOGIZED FOR -
HE WOULDN'T SAY FOR SAYING SOMETHING TO ME
BECAUSE HE GOES SILENT.
THAT'S ME.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE WORD THING GOING.
REBECCA: THAT'S ME AND MY HUSBAND.
HE'S THE SILENT ONE, I'M THE TALKING ONE.
JENNY: SO USUALLY IT'S ME APOLOGIZING.
BUT I WOULD APOLOGIZE FOR LIKE,
OKAY, I'M SORRY, YOU KNOW, FOR SAYING THAT
TO YOUR DAD.
I'M SORRY FOR SAYING THAT TO YOU.
WILL YOU FORGIVE ME?
I REALLY BLEW IT RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S VALUABLE IN AND OF ITSELF.
IT'S NOT LIKE, HEY, LET'S START ARGUING
TO TRY TO TEACH OUR KIDS HOW TO APOLOGIZE.
BUT IT'S MORE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE HERE
THIS JUST HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
HUMILITY IS CAUGHT, IT'S NOT TAUGHT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN GET IN THE WORD
AND READ ABOUT IT AND MEDITATE ON IT
AND THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
BUT WE EVEN CATCH IT FROM JESUS.
WE READ ABOUT JESUS.
WE EXPERIENCE HIM.
WE'RE LIKE, MAN.
REBECCA: YEAH.
HE EXPERIENCES HUMILITY
AND THEN YOU CATCH IT YOURSELF.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND I THINK BEING ABLE TO SAY,
HEY, I WAS WRONG,
TO YOUR KIDS AND YOUR SPOUSE,
THAT'S HUGE.
JENNY: IT IS HUGE.
REBECCA: SO IF YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND EVER -
I'M LIKE, KIND OF,
I FEEL LIKE NOW I'M JUST TAKING NOTES,
SINCE I FEEL LIKE IT'S SUCH GOOD ADVICE
SO I'M ASKING QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF.
JENNY: IT'S TOTALLY FUNNY.
REBECCA: WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED,
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IN MARRIAGE,
ESPECIALLY IF YOU GUYS ARE REALLY -
LIKE ANY MARRIAGE, BUT A COUPLE THAT'S
FOR THE KINGDOM,
THE ENEMY IS GONNA TRY TO GET IN BETWEEN THAT.
HE'S GOING TO TRY TO CAUSE RIFTS.
JENNY: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA: HOW HAVE YOU LEARNED TO HANDLE
CONFLICTS WITH YOUR HUSBAND?
HOW DO YOU LEARN TO HANDLE THOSE BIG MOMENTS?
DO YOU LEARN THAT IT'S BETTER TO JUST
WALK AWAY AND PRAY?
LIKE, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED
THROUGH ALL YOUR YEARS OF MARRIAGE
WHEN CONFLICT ARISES?
JENNY: WELL, I'M NOT A RUNNER.
I DON'T FLIGHT.
I DON'T FREEZE, I FIGHT.
SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU RESPOND,
HOW YOU'RE TRIGGERED IN YOUR FALSE IDENTITY.
SO IN A FALSE IDENTITY,
WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH OUR DEEPEST FEARS.
AND ALL FEAR CAN USUALLY BE CATEGORIZED
INTO ONE OF THREE CATEGORIES.
I'M ALL ALONE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY HELP.
I DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES.
USUALLY IF I'M LIKE, I'M TRIGGERED,
IT'S I'M ALL ALONE.
WHICH GOES BACK TO MY PARENTS SPLITTING UP,
MY DAD LEAVING.
SO I HAVE TO WATCH THAT ONE.
ALTHOUGH, I'D LOVE TO SIT HERE AND TELL YOU
THAT I'M COMPLETELY FREE OF ALL FEAR EVER, YOU KNOW.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY COME A LONG WAY.
NOT ME, IN CHRIST THROUGH ME.
BUT IT'S THE SPOT WHERE THE ENEMY STILL TESTS ME.
OH, YEAH, YOU'RE ALL ALONE, JENNY.
THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
REBECCA: AND YOU'RE JUST AWARE OF,
LIKE YOUR SPOT.
JENNY: AWARENESS, YES.
AND SO I CAN USUALLY, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS,
IF I GET HOT AND IT'S LIKE,
NOW I'M GONNA FIGHT.
I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING.
IN THAT MOMENT I CAN SAY,
OH, I FEEL ALONE.
I FEEL ALL ALONE.
AND SO THEN I GO, OKAY, HOLY SPIRIT,
THEN I JUST GO TO THE QUESTION,
AM I ALL ALONE?
NO, JENNY, I'M RIGHT HERE,
I'M GONNA HELP YOU.
I'M GONNA HELP YOU IN THIS PROJECT.
IT'S OKAY THAT BOB IS NOT ABLE
TO HELP YOU WITH THIS.
I'M GONNA HELP YOU.
I USUALLY CAN BACK MYSELF OUT OF IT
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT'S FEAR.
IT'S FEAR IN EITHER THE PARADIGM OF OUR BELIEF SYSTEMS,
THE EASY SPOT FOR THE ENEMY.
SO I JUST BACK AWAY.
YES, FOR ME, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
YOU JUST BACK AWAY.
BUT IF YOU'RE A RUNNER,
YOU MIGHT BE WAY BACKED AWAY.
LIKE, WHERE DID YOU GO?
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK,
OKAY, HOLY SPIRIT, HOW DO I APPROACH
THIS CONVERSATION?
AND YOU HAVE TO ASK, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE FEAR.
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES
SO I'M JUST OUT OF HERE.
SO DO I HAVE WHAT IT TAKES, LORD?
AND HE'S LIKE, I'M IN YOU,
I'M GONNA WORK IT OUT.
YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE LIE.
WHAT FEAR AM I DEALING WITH?
AND THEN THE TRUTH.
GOD, TELL ME THE TRUTH.
HOLY SPIRIT, WHAT'S THE TRUTH?
IF I DON'T STOP AND LET THE HOLY SPIRIT
LIKE, UNWIRE THE BOMB,
LIKE, OKAY, PULL THIS THING APART,
THEN I'M JUSTIFYING,
I'M LOGICING,
I'M LIKE, YEAH, I'M RIGHT, HE'S WRONG, PERIOD.
BUT THAT'S MORE OF MY BEND.
BUT IF I CAN ADDRESS THE FEAR, THAT'S IT.
THE ROOT IS FEAR.
AND GET BACK IN LOVE.
LOVE WITH THE FATHER, RIGHT.
GET BACK IN THE TRUTH.
THEN WITH THE TRUTH I CAN THEN APPROACH AGAIN.
AND THAT'S USUALLY LIKE, BOB, WILL YOU FORGIVE ME?
YOU KNOW, WILL YOU FORGIVE ME?
BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO BACK AWAY
AND THEN I APPROACH.
WHAT I DON'T DO, IS PRETEND LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED.
REBECCA: YEAH, THAT'S BAD.
JENNY: YEAH, THAT'S SUPER BAD.
REBECCA: THAT WILL BITE YOU IN THE BUTT LATER.
JENNY: YEAH, THAT'S COMING BACK, BABY.
YOU'VE PUT THAT UNDER THE RUG,
BUT IT'S GONNA MAKE ITS WAY OUT.
REBECCA: AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN
BECAUSE IT WILL GROW AND GROW AND GROW.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: SO YOU'RE RIGHT,
IT'S ADDRESSING IT BUT IT'S LIKE -
I LIKE THAT.
THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
GETTING TO THE ROOT,
OF WHAT'S THE UNDERLYING THING HERE.
JENNY: BECAUSE WE DON'T FIGHT FLESH AND BLOOD.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING OR NOT DOING.
NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE PERFECT.
THEY COULD BE DOING EVERYTHING WRONG,
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S REALLY WRONG.
WHAT'S REALLY WRONG IS THE ENEMY HAS ACCESS
TO ONE OF YOUR FEARS.
AND THAT -
THAT CAN ACTUALLY EXPOSE
AN AREA THAT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LORD?
APPARENTLY I JUST KEEP GETTING TRIGGERED
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES.
OR I'M ALL ALONE
OR I DON'T HAVE ANY HELP.
THEN YOU GO TO THE WORD
AND YOU START PULLING UP SCRIPTURES.
YOU KNOW, AM I ALL ALONE?
LET'S LOOK AT SCRIPTURES ON THAT.
AND THEN YOU START MEDITATING.
THAT'S WHERE THE WORD OF GOD RENEWS OUR MIND.
WE HAVE TO RENEW OUR MIND
WITH THE TRANSFORMING POWER OF THE WORD.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT REPENTANCE,
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS REPENTANCE MEANS
IS TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: TO LITERALLY CHANGE HOW YOU PERCEIVE.
AND THAT'S THROUGH READING THE WORD
AND LETTING GOD WASH YOU IN HIS WORD
AND REWIRE THE WAY YOU PERCEIVE THINGS.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: OKAY.
SO SINCE YOU HAVE FIVE CHILDREN,
WHAT DOES INTERCESSION LOOK LIKE
FOR THE MOMS THAT ARE SUPER BUSY,
FOR THE MOMS THAT HAVE LIKE REALLY LITTLE KIDS,
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY HARD
TO EVEN FIND A MOMENT TO YOURSELF?
JENNY: WELL, IF I WAS TALKING TO ME,
YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN I WAS IN MY MID-20S,
STARTING MY FAMILY,
I WOULD HAVE TOLD MYSELF,
WAKE UP JUST A LITTLE EARLIER
THAN WHEN THE KIDS GET UP.
AND IT'S LIKE, REALLY?
BECAUSE THEY GET UP AT 5:30.
BUT I'M TALKING LIKE, JUST SIT WITH THE LORD
IN THE QUIET.
THAT HAS BEEN LIFE BREAKING.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE BREAKTHROUGH FOR ME.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: OKAY. I SIT WITH THE LORD.
I'M QUIET.
INTERCESSION, I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS
OVER EVERY ONE OF MY KIDS.
PERSONALLY, I LIKE TO TAKE COMMUNION.
I HAVE IT IN MY KITCHEN IN A CANISTER.
YOU KNOW, I JUST TAKE A COMMUNION CUP.
AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M RELIGIOUS ABOUT THIS
AND IT'S EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW,
BUT IT'S JUST A WAY -
REBECCA: IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE ON HAND.
JENNY: YEAH.
IT'S A WAY FOR ME AND THE LORD.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU CAN JUST WORRY DURING THE DAY.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THERE DRIVING.
MY DAUGHTER IS GETTING HER PERMIT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S LIKE, I CAN WORRY ALL DAY,
OR I CAN PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS,
WHICH IS THE MOST PROTECTION YOU COULD EVER
GIVE ONE OF YOUR CHILDREN,
IS TO JUST PLEAD THE BLOOD.
FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR BODY, FOR THE BLOOD.
AND THEN I HAVE A FEW SCRIPTURES
THAT I TUCK IN MY HEART.
LIKE WHEN MY KIDS STARTED DRIVING,
I WOULD JUST SAY OFF THE PORCH
WHEN THEY DRIVE TO SCHOOL,
I'D SAY, SAFELY YOU WILL LEAVE HOME
AND SAFELY YOU WILL RETURN.
THAT'S PSALM 121.
SO I HAVE VERY QUICK -
I WOULDN'T SAY I HAVE SUPER LONG PRAYER SESSIONS,
BUT I HAVE AMMO.
I HAVE AMMO.
I HAVE CERTAIN THINGS.
LIKE I ALWAYS SEE 10/21 FOR SUMMER,
WHEN MY FIRSTBORN WAS BORN ON 10/21.
I DON'T SEE THE OTHER TIMES OF MY OTHER KIDS
RIGHT NOW,
BUT EVERY TIME I SEE 10/21,
I INTERCEDE FOR HANNAH.
AND THEN I JUST GO DOWN ALL OF THE REST,
THE FOUR KIDS.
SO I HAVE THESE LITTLE THINGS
THAT GOD'S GIVEN ME, YOU KNOW.
SO YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU CAN PUT THEIR PICTURE UP IN YOUR BATHROOM
WHILE YOU'RE BRUSHING YOUR TEETH,
AND JUST SAY, GOD, THANK YOU, LORD,
I JUST CHARGE ANGELS OVER THEM.
I JUST THANK YOU, FATHER,
PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS OVER THEM.
AND THEN JUST KIND OF TAP INTO LIKE,
OH, THAT ONE, I HAVE MY HEART TOWARDS THEM
RIGHT NOW.
GOD, WHAT DO I NEED TO PRAY FOR THEM?
HE'LL TELL YOU QUICKLY.
IT'S NOT THE LONGER YOU PRAY,
THE MORE YOUR KIDS ARE PROTECTED.
LIKE THE LENGTH THING, YOU'VE GOT TO
KIND OF REIN THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
I USED TO THINK THE LONGER I PRAY,
THAT'S REALLY IT, YOU KNOW.
BUT I JUST SCRIPTURE OVER THEM.
THERE WAS A TIME IN MY LIFE
WHERE I HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE BANDWIDTH
TO SIT DOWN AND JOURNAL,
AND I WOULD JOURNAL ABOUT MY KIDS,
AND I'D WRITE LETTERS.
MOSTLY THOSE WERE THE TIMES WHEN
THEY WERE BECOMING TEENAGERS,
AND I HAD MY FIRST TEENAGER,
AND I THOUGHT, UH-OH, THIS IS REALLY MAKING ME
FEEL OUT OF CONTROL,
WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW IT MAKES YOU FEEL.
SO I'D JOURNAL ABOUT THEM, TELL ME ABOUT THEM.
AND HE WOULD WRITE THEIR FUTURE
AND WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AND WHO THEY ARE.
AND THEN HE SAID JUST AGREE WITH THAT.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE THINGS.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.
JENNY: BUT THOSE QUICK INTERCESSION
AND THEN ALL DAY LONG
AND JUST WHEN YOU CAN.
AND THERE'S NO SHAME IN THAT.
YOU MIGHT GO A COUPLE DAYS AND YOU'RE LIKE,
OH, MY GOSH, I HAVEN'T EVEN PRAYED FOR THAT CHILD.
IT'S OKAY.
WHEN YOU DO THE LAUNDRY AND YOU'RE
FOLDING THEIR CLOTHES, PUTTING IT UP.
I PRAY FOR YOU.
SO JUST LITTLE TOUCHES DURING THE DAY.
YOU KNOW, GOD HEARS ALL OF THAT.
ALL OF THAT MATTERS.
REBECCA: HOW DO YOU PRAY FOR YOUR SPOUSE?
JENNY: I PRAY FOR PROTECTION OVER HIM, SAME,
I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS OVER HIM.
YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT GOOD AT PRAYING FOR BOB
WHEN WE WERE FIRST MARRIED.
I WOULD SAY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
ONE DAY THE LORD SAID TO ME,
BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE YOUR ROCK.
REBECCA: I KNOW.
JENNY: YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE GOOD.
REBECCA: YOU DO THINK THEY'RE GOOD.
YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE GOOD.
JENNY: YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE SO STRONG.
I MEAN, YOU MARRIED ME, SO I MEAN,
YOU'RE REALLY STRONG.
AND SO NOW THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES
THAT COULD BE SO,
YOU KNOW, THEY COULD FALL APART,
BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA FALL APART.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
JENNY: SO THE LORD ONE DAY WAS LIKE
WHO DO YOU THINK IS PRAYING TODAY
FOR YOUR HUSBAND?
AND I WAS LIKE, UH, PROBABLY NOBODY.
AND HE SAID, EXACTLY.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I REALIZED
HE'S NOT COVERED IN PRAYER
UNLESS I PRAY.
NOW, MAYBE THE PASTOR PRAYS.
MAYBE HE COMES TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S MIND,
BUT DO WE WANT TO LEAVE IT TO CHANCE?
REBECCA: NO.
JENNY: SO WHEN I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS
OVER MY FAMILY, I START WITH HIM
AND THEN I GO DOWN THE LINE OF KIDS.
AND I PLEAD THE BLOOD OF JESUS OVER MYSELF, TOO.
BUT I PRAY -
I WILL SAY THIS.
YOU KNOW, WOMEN ARE VERY PERCEPTIVE
ABOUT WHERE THEIR HUSBAND COULD -
THE ENEMY COULD BE SILENCING THEM AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK.
AND YOU KIND OF NOTICE.
MY HUSBAND, AS AN EXAMPLE,
HAS AN INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP GIFT.
AND WE BOUGHT A RETREAT CENTER
AND HE'S GREAT AT BUILDING,
HE'S BUILDING, BUNK BEDS,
AND HE'S BUILDING FURNITURE.
AND HE'S GETTING THIS PLACE PUT TOGETHER.
AND AFTER ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF,
THE LORD WAS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
WELL, I LOVE THAT HE'S BUILDING,
I CALL HIM BOB THE BUILDER.
REBECCA: I LOVE THAT.
JENNY: BUT I'M LIKE, HIS LEADERSHIP GIFT,
I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THAT EXECUTED RECENTLY.
AND HE SAID, GO AND TELL HIM THAT HE IS NOT JUST
A BUILDER OF THINGS,
BUT HE IS A BUILDER OF PEOPLE.
GO REMIND HIM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WOMEN DO.
WE COME, SOMETIMES AS A FORCE OF LIKE,
HEY, YOU KNOW.
AND I THINK WOMEN HAVE TO BE OKAY,
THAT THAT IS ONE OF OUR CALLINGS AS A WIFE,
IS TO COME AND SAY, LISTEN,
THERE'S SOMETHING ON YOUR LIFE,
AND IT NEEDS TO COME TO THE FOREFRONT
IN GOD'S TIMING, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE HERE
THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST A BUILDER OF THINGS,
YOU'RE A BUILDER OF PEOPLE.
OKAY? ARE WE GOOD?
SO JUST AN ACCOUNTABILITY.
BECAUSE THEY COULD -
THEY COULD JUST SHUT THEIR GIFT DOWN
AND IF WE'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION,
WE COULD LOOK UP AND GO, WAIT A MINUTE.
LIKE, THAT THING NEEDS TO BE AMPLIFIED,
WHATEVER THAT GIFT MIGHT BE.
SO PUTTING THAT IN FRONT OF THEM,
AND THEN PRAYING OVER THEM AND SAYING,
GOD, OBVIOUSLY INWARDLY,
YOU HAVE TO TURN THE LIGHT SWITCH ON,
YOU HAVE TO LAUNCH THEM IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING
AND FULLY CONVICT THEM.
RIGHT, THE HOLY SPIRIT.
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO -
WE DON'T WANT TO PUT MORE FEAR ON THEM,
LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS.
AND DON'T USE WEIRD TACTICS
TO GET THEM, LIKE MANIPULATION.
NOT GOOD.
I TRIED THAT WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND IMMATURE
AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
REBECCA: OR LIKE NAGGING THEM.
THAT'S WHAT I LIKE IS YOU DID IT
IN AN HONORING AND ENCOURAGING WAY.
NOT LIKE, YOU'RE NOT USING YOUR GIFTS.
IT WAS LIKE THIS IS WHO YOU ARE.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THAT WILL, I FEEL LIKE,
MAKE A MAN BE LIKE,
OKAY, THIS IS WHO I AM, YOU KNOW.
SO IT'S HOW WE DO IT.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: I THINK, TOO, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO WOMEN
THAT MAYBE THEY SEE STUFF THAT THEY WANT DEVELOPED
IN THEIR HUSBAND,
BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO CORRECT THEM,
IT'S GOD'S JOB.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: HOW DO THEY HANDLE THAT?
JENNY: OKAY.
SO THERE'S A KING AND A FOOL IN EVERY PERSON.
AND THE ONE YOU SPEAK TO IS THE ONE
YOU WILL SEE EMERGE.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JENNY: SO IF I'M FEELING LIKE,
OH, HE'S SUCH A FOOL,
HE'S SO IGNORANT,
HE DOESN'T PRAY AND HE'S NOT A SPIRITUAL LEADER,
AND HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT JESUS LIKE ME.
WHICH IS ALL PRIDE, WHAT I JUST ALL SAID RIGHT THERE.
SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HIM AS A FOOL.
IN OUR EYES, WE SEE HIM AS LESSER THAN.
AND THEN WE GO ADDRESS IT, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY IN TROUBLE.
ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY FEEDING
ALL THEIR FEARS
BECAUSE THEY HAVE FEARS JUST LIKE WE DO.
ALL THEIR INSECURITIES,
JUST LIKE WE HAVE INSECURITIES.
WE'RE FEEDING ALL OF THAT.
SO, WHAT THE LORD TOLD ME WAS,
BECAUSE I'M QUICK TO ACT,
THAT'S JUST HOW I'M MADE,
HE SAYS, DO NOT ADDRESS HIM
UNTIL YOU SEE HIM THE WAY I SEE HIM.
AND WHEN YOU CAN SEE HIM FROM MY EYES,
AS A KING, GO ADDRESS THE KING.
HOW WOULD YOU ADDRESS A KING?
REBECCA: WITH HONOR.
JENNY: TOTAL HONOR.
AND THAT'S WHY I CAN GO TO HIM AND SAY,
YOU ARE AN INCREDIBLE BUILDER.
YOU'RE A BUILDER OF PEOPLE.
DON'T FORGET.
I'M REMINDING HIM OF HIS ANOINTING.
INSTEAD OF WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU GO TO BIBLE STUDY?
THOSE GUYS COULD HAVE -
YOU COULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING.
OR WHY WERE YOU SO SILENT IN OUR MEETING?
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING
THAT REALLY BUILT EVERYBODY UP,
AND WHY DIDN'T YOU GO TO THAT?
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOUR LEADERSHIP GIFT,
LIKE, REALLY?
BECAUSE YOU CAN GO ABOUT IT
LIKE YOU'RE BEING A FOOL,
YOU'RE BEING A FOOL, YOU'RE BEING A FOOL.
OR YOU CAN GO BEFORE THE KING AND SAY,
HEY, THE PEOPLE NEED YOUR LEADERSHIP.
AND IT'S AMAZING.
AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE IT COME ABOUT,
BUT DON'T PRESS ON TIMING.
LIKE, YOU BETTER DO IT THIS THURSDAY NIGHT,
AT OUR STAFF MEETING,
OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN
IF YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
DO YOU SEE HOW THAT'S FEAR AND MANIPULATION, RIGHT?
SO IT'S MORE LIKE LET THE TIMING BE ON THEM,
BUT DON'T EVER AGREE WITH
FEAR OR INSECURITY,
JUST HOW GOD SEES THEM.
REBECCA: THAT IS SUCH WISDOM.
I JUST AM TAKING IT ALL IN
BECAUSE I AM LIKE, YES, I HAVE MADE THAT MISTAKE.
AND IT IS NOT -
AND IT'S HURTFUL.
AND THE TRUTH IS THAT THEY LOVE YOU
MORE THAN ANYONE.
SO IF YOU'RE COMING AT THEM THAT WAY,
IT'S SO HURTFUL TOWARDS THEM.
AND MEN ARE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY LIKE THEY'RE -
I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY HAVE EGO,
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT.
BUT IT'S LIKE THEY'RE CALLED TO LEAD
AND IT'S LIKE THEY NEED YOUR SUPPORT.
AND IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU BELIEVE IN THEM,
IT'S GONNA BE CRUSHING TO THEM.
IT'S LIKE YOU WANT TO LIFT THEM UP
AND SPEAK LIFE INTO THEM,
NOT TEAR THEM DOWN.
AND I THINK IT'S LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT,
WE'RE PERCEPTIVE, BUT IT'S LIKE,
HOW WE HANDLE OUR PERCEPTION.
ARE WE GONNA BE SERVING AND HONORING
AND HELP BUILD THE VISION THAT GOD HAS FOR HIM,
OR ARE WE GONNA LIKE TEAR HIM DOWN AND BE NAGGING
AND LIKE YOU SAID, PUT TIMELINES ON IT,
OR LIKE, YOU NEED TO DO THIS, YOU NEED TO DO THAT.
WHICH IS LIKE THE CONTROLLING, BOSSY.
MEN HATE THAT.
JENNY: IT'S FEAR.
REBECCA: IT'S BASED IN FEAR.
WE AS WOMEN, WE CAN BE MORE SENSITIVE,
MORE INTO OUR EMOTIONS.
SO WE NATURALLY ARE LIKE,
OH, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN BE LIKE,
BUT THEY HAVE EMOTIONS, TOO.
JENNY: YEAH.
THE ROOT OF THAT IS I ACTUALLY DON'T TRUST GOD
THAT HE WILL, YOU KNOW, HELP MY HUSBAND.
AND I DON'T TRUST MY HUSBAND
THAT HE WILL LISTEN TO GOD.
SO I HAVE TO STEP IN
AND OUT OF FEAR, I'M GONNA HANDLE THIS.
REBECCA: WHICH IS THE FLESH.
JENNY: YEP.
REBECCA: WHICH IS THE FLESH.
AND THAT'S WHAT I CALL MAKING
AN ISHMAEL WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ISAAC.
AND THAT IS JUST A BIG NO.
JENNY: JUST TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY LISTENING,
I'VE DONE THIS WRONG SO MANY TIMES.
REBECCA: ME, TOO.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REBECCA: BUT I'M LIKE CONVICTED.
JENNY: I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND
LIKE MY HUSBAND,
BUT I'VE APOLOGIZED.
I HAVEN'T BUILT FROM PRIDE TO PRIDE.
I'VE SAID, OKAY, WOW, THAT WAS MY OWN ISSUE.
AND YOU HAVE TO OWN THE ISSUE, APOLOGIZE.
AND WHEN YOU APOLOGIZE AND YOU REALLY DO IT
WITH A HEART OF LIKE, OH, GOD, PLEASE HELP ME,
WHY DID I DO THAT?
YOU'LL STOP DOING IT AS OFTEN,
AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOU GET THE REVELATION OF LIKE,
OH, GOD, I TRUST YOU WITH HIM.
AND HE TRUSTS YOU.
AND I JUST GET TO BE HERE, TOO.
JUST ENCOURAGE AND PRAY.
REBECCA: AND GOD'S WAY BETTER AT IT THAN I AM.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: HE'S WAY MORE EFFECTIVE.
JENNY: THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE CONCLUSION IS
AT THE END OF THE DAY.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
OKAY.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS,
HOW DO YOU TEACH YOUR CHILDREN ABOUT GOD,
AND HOW DO YOU GET THEM TO ENGAGE
IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM?
BECAUSE MINE IS LIKE FOUR,
SO, YOU KNOW, HE'S SO LITTLE,
BUT I WANT TO START THAT AS YOUNG AS POSSIBLE
AND GET THAT GOING.
BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I STRUGGLED WITH.
I DID NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP
WITH GOD UNTIL I WAS LIKE 20.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: SO I'M LIKE TRYING TO INSTILL THAT
IN MY CHILDREN
BECAUSE I THINK IT CAN MAKE A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE
IF THEY COULD START YOUNG,
LISTENING AND HEARING GOD,
KNOWING HIS WORD,
UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S RELATIONSHIP-BASED,
IT'S NOT PERFORMANCE-BASED.
WHICH IS LIKE KIND OF MY TESTIMONY,
IS I HAD VERY PERFORMANCE-BASED CHRISTIANITY
AND THAT'S JUST A NIGHTMARE.
SO HOW DO YOU TEACH YOUR KIDS ABOUT GOD,
AND ALSO HOW DO YOU -
HOW DO YOU TEACH YOUR KIDS RIGHT FROM WRONG?
BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU'RE IN THE PROPHETIC,
I CAN GET LIKE THIS WHERE I'M LIKE,
THIS IS DEMONIC.
AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH ALL OF WHATEVER IS IN THE PHYSICAL
AND YOU CAN SEE STRENGTH IN THE SPIRITUAL,
AND YOU'RE LIKE, I DON'T WANT MY CHILD
ENGAGED WITH THAT.
BUT IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU HANDLE IT IN A WAY
WHERE IT'S NOT FEAR, IT'S EMPOWERING?
AND HOW DO YOU ALSO NOT,
I DON'T WANT TO OVEREMPHASIZE
LIKE THIS IS DEMONIC AND THEN MAKE IT ALL ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, HOW DO I SAY IT,
LIKE AMPLIFYING THE DEVIL?
JENNY: EXALTING THE ENEMY.
REBECCA: AND WE WERE NOT LIKE AMPLIFYING GOD.
HOW DO YOU WALK THAT?
JENNY: WELL, THE BEST ANSWER I HAVE WITH THAT
IS THEY'RE GOING TO GET IT
FROM YOUR OWN PERSONAL WALK WITH JESUS.
I ALWAYS TELL PARENTS, TAKE IT PUBLIC.
SO IF I'M PRAYING IN MY BEDROOM ALL THE TIME
AND THEY DON'T SEE ME,
I NEED TO MAKE SURE I'M PRAYING IN THE KITCHEN.
I'M PRAISING GOD.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SEEING ME WALK THIS OUT
AND I'M USING MY VOICE IN PRAYER IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND I TELL THEM, HEY, IF I FEEL SOMETHING
FUNKY IN THE HOUSE,
I'M JUST GONNA TELL IT TO LEAVE,
AND I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU.
[ LAUGHTER ]
JENNY: SO THEY JUST KNOW THIS IS MY MOM,
THIS IS HER LIFESTYLE,
THIS IS WHO SHE IS.
AND YOUR KIDS BEING SO YOUNG,
YOU'LL SEE IT.
THEY'LL PICK UP AND YOU'LL BE LIKE,
WHOA, THEY'RE DOING WHAT I DO.
BUT IF THEY DON'T EVER SEE IT DEMONSTRATED,
THEY CAN'T LIVE IT OUT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE YOUR QUIET TIME
SO PRIVATE.
SO IT'S GOOD TO INVITE THEM INTO THAT.
JENNY: MY BIGGEST THING IS
OKAY, WE'RE AT CHURCH,
MY KIDS COME OUT AFTER KIDS CHURCH,
I'M PRAYING FOR PEOPLE AT THE ALTAR.
THEY'RE HOLDING ON TO MY LEG
AND THEY'RE WATCHING ME PRAY FOR SOMEBODY,
AND THEY SEE MIRACLES,
THEY'VE SEEN AMAZING THINGS HAPPEN.
NOW WE'RE AT THE GROCERY STORE,
STANDING NEXT TO SOMEBODY IN LINE.
HEY, HOW ARE YOU?
OH, I HAVE A TERRIBLE HEADACHE.
OH, I'M SORRY.
I NEVER WANT MY KIDS TO GO.
OH, INTERESTING. OKAY, SO I GET IT.
GOD IS IN A BUILDING AT CHURCH,
BUT HE'S NOT AT THE GROCERY STORE.
REBECCA: OR THIS IS ONLY FOR THIS AREA,
NOT OUTSIDE.
JENNY: YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS
WE ARE IN A MESS IN OUR COUNTRY.
IS BECAUSE WE HAVE GOD ON SUNDAY MORNING
AT OUR 9 OR 11 SERVICE,
AND WE SAY IT'S ENOUGH TO BE -
AND I'M USING BROAD GENERALIZATIONS.
NOT EVERYBODY IS LIKE THIS.
BUT IF WE DON'T TAKE OUR TRUTH,
WHAT WE BELIEVE, WHAT WE'VE CONSECRATED
OUR LIVES TO,
AND TAKE IT INTO THE PUBLIC,
OUR CHILDREN ARE GONNA HAVE A PARTIAL FAITH.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, MOMS WHO DIDN'T
BRING THEIR FAITH FULLY OUT IN FULLY FRONT
OF THEIR CHILDREN,
AND THEY DIDN'T SEE GOD EVERYWHERE THEIR MOM WENT.
WHY WOULD THEY TAKE GOD TO THEIR UNIVERSITY CAMPUS
WHEN THEY GO TO COLLEGE?
REBECCA: THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT.
JENNY: NO, BUT WHEN I GO HOME AND VISIT,
GOD WILL BE AT MY CHURCH I GREW UP IN,
BUT HE'S NOT GONNA BE WITH ME.
SO IT'S LIKE WE SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED
THAT OUR CHILDREN DON'T HAVE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
OUTSIDE THE CHURCH IF WE DON'T
AND WE DEMONSTRATE IT.
REBECCA: AND TOO, BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF
TAUGHT TO US,
NOT BY MY PARENTS BUT LIKE THROUGH SOCIETY
IT'S SO STRONGLY LIKE PUSHED, TOO,
THAT THE GOSPEL'S OFFENSIVE,
JESUS IS OFFENSIVE
SO IT'S LIKE DON'T -
THEY PUSH YOU OUT OF EVERYTHING.
I REMEMBER I STRUGGLED WITH FEELING LIKE
OH, THIS IS OFFENSIVE,
IT'S GONNA MAKE PEOPLE MAD,
LIKE I CAN'T SHARE IT, YOU KNOW.
AND I HAD TO LEARN LIKE,
JUST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE
IN THE SECULAR WORLD PUSH OUT,
DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HIDE WHO YOU ARE.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: THIS IS WHO YOU ARE.
SO FOR YOU TO NOT SHARE IT
IS LIKE HOLDING BACK WHO YOU ARE.
BECAUSE IT'S JUST TAUGHT FOR SO LONG,
I THINK IT AFFECTED OUR CULTURE IN AMERICA.
THERE'S NO GOD IN SCHOOL.
THERE'S NO GOD IN THE WORKPLACE.
BECAUSE THEY WOULD TRY TO PUSH ALL THAT OUT.
YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS HERE.
JENNY: IT'S A SPIRIT.
REBECCA: YEAH, IT IS, AN ANTICHRIST SPIRIT.
AND SO IT JUST, EVEN SUBCONSCIOUSLY,
IT LIKE CAN MAKE YOU THINK,
OH, I'M NOT -
I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS.
THE SAME WAY HOW CANCEL CULTURE,
YOU KNOW, GROUPS PEOPLE.
I CAN'T EVER SPEAK THE TRUTH.
IT'S LIKE, NO, YOU CANNOT LET THAT STOP YOU.
AND THAT'S ALSO SO GOOD.
IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO MODEL WHO YOU ARE
EVERYWHERE YOU GO.
AND I THINK IT'S BIG ON,
IT'S LIKE IF YOU HAVE A FEAR OF MAN,
THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE,
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A FEAR OF MAN.
THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE.
AND I GET IT.
JENNY: THEY INHERIT OUR FEARS
AND THEY INHERIT OUR PROMISES.
REBECCA: OH, THAT'S GOOD.
JENNY: AND WHAT WE LIVE OUT,
THEY LIVE OUT WHAT THEY SEE AND FEEL,
AND A LOT OF THIS IS CAUGHT.
REBECCA: WE JUST HAVEN'T TAUGHT.
JENNY: IT IS.
REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE.
JENNY: AND SO YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING ALL DAY LONG,
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT LIVING IT
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE OF LITTLE EFFECT
JUST TO TEACH AND NOT LIVE IT OUT YOURSELF.
AND THAT'S RELIGION, YOU KNOW.
SO DEMONSTRATE -
THIS IS CHALLENGING.
THIS IS WHY KIDS ARE SO CHALLENGING.
BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO BELIEVE
AND HAVE COURAGE AND BE BOLD,
BUT THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO BE.
REBECCA: I KNOW.
JENNY: BUT THAT'S A GOOD MOTIVATOR.
THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS
I THINK ONE OF THE RESPONSES WE'VE HAD
AS CHRISTIANS,
WITH THIS WHOLE, LIKE, DON'T SPEAK ABOUT JESUS,
AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO NOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO,
IS I'M JUST GONNA BE NICE.
I'M GONNA BE A NICE PERSON,
AND SOMEHOW IF I'M NICE ENOUGH TO PEOPLE,
THAT MAKES JESUS LOOK GOOD.
AND SO IT'S LIKE THIS UNHOLY ALLEGIANCE TO BE NICE.
REBECCA: I KNOW.
JENNY: AND GOD ISN'T NICE.
GOD IS KIND.
A BIG DIFFERENCE.
THE WORD NICE IN ITS ORIGINAL ROOT
ACTUALLY MEANS FOOLISH AND STUPID.
SO IF WE'VE MADE AN ALLEGIANCE TO
IF I'M JUST NICE,
'CAUSE WE'VE KIND OF MADE UP FOR LIKE,
OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA OFFEND PEOPLE WITH JESUS,
I'LL JUST BE NICE.
IT'S LIKE THIS COUNTERFEIT REPLACEMENT
FOR GOING WITH THE TRUTH THAT WE KNOW
IN BOLDNESS AND COURAGE AND LOVE.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO CHALLENGE THAT
TO ANYBODY LISTENING IS, BREAK UP WITH NICE.
BREAK UP WITH NICE AND SAY,
GOD, I WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT,
BUT I WILL GO IN KINDNESS,
I WILL GO IN LOVE.
BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMEBODY AND SAY,
I WOULD RATHER TELL YOU ABOUT THIS MAN JESUS
AND HOW MUCH HE LOVES YOU
THAN HAVE YOU LIKE ME.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE CARE -
THIS IS GONNA SOUND REALLY HARSH.
BUT, AND I'VE CONFRONTED THIS IN MYSELF.
DO I CARE MORE THAT THAT PERSON LIKES ME
THAN I CARE THAT THEY MIGHT BE GOING TO HELL?
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I'VE HAD
TO ASK MYSELF.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH A COFFEE STAND THE OTHER DAY,
AND MY LITTLE MERCY,
HER MIDDLE NAME IS EVANGELINE BECAUSE
WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH HER -
REBECCA: I LOVE THAT NAME.
JENNY: THANK YOU.
WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH HER,
I SAID, LORD, TELL ME ABOUT THIS BABY.
AND HE SAID, SHE IS AN EVANGELIST.
SO AS SOON AS SECOND TALK SHE WOULD ASK PEOPLE,
DO YOU KNOW JESUS? DO YOU KNOW JESUS?
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE COFFEE LINE -
REBECCA: WHICH AS A MOM -
JENNY: AND I HAVEN'T REALLY RAN IN THAT.
I'M LIKE A SNEAK ATTACK.
IN BUSINESS I WAS THIS WAY.
AND I COULD KIND OF -
BUT I WASN'T LIKE A STRAIGHT -
LIKE STREET EVANGELIST, YOU KNOW.
AND SO I'M GOING TO THE COFFEE SHOP
AND THIS IS NORMAL FOR HER,
AND I'M EXCHANGING THE CREDIT CARD.
AND SHE'S IN THE BACK, SHE'S SEVEN.
MOM, ASK HER IF SHE KNOWS JESUS.
AND SHE CAUGHT ME OFFGUARD.
I DIDN'T HAVE LIKE A WARMUP OR WHATEVER.
AND WE DROVE OFF AND I SAID, HONEY, I'M SO SORRY.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK.
YOU KIND OF CAUGHT ME OFFGUARD A LITTLE BIT.
REBECCA: GOOD ON YOU FOR GOING BACK, THOUGH.
YOU COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE IT'S OKAY,
WE CAN GO BACK ANOTHER TIME.
BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST BRUSH IT OFF SO EASILY.
SO YOU WENT BACK?
JENNY: NOT YET, IT JUST HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY.
BUT NOW THAT YOU SAID THAT,
I'M SUPER ACCOUNTABLE.
REBECCA: YES.
JENNY: BUT REALLY TRULY, SERIOUSLY,
AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT GIRL
DOES KNOW JESUS AND WE'LL GO BACK.
BUT MOSTLY FOR MERCY,
I WANT TO DEMONSTRATE THE KIND OF COURAGE
I WANT HER TO HAVE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: AS AN ADULT.
SO ANYWAYS, MOTHERS, WE GET TO DO THIS.
THIS IS THE DISCIPLESHIP PROCESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
REBECCA: AND IT'S NOT STIFLING THAT WITHIN HER.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: BECAUSE YOU ALMOST WOULD, YOU KNOW,
BECAUSE YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO ASK,
BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO STIFLE THAT.
IT'S A GOOD THING, YOU KNOW.
SO YOU'RE STEWARDING IT
INSTEAD OF STIFLING THAT
EVEN THOUGH IT PUTS YOU IN A
SOCIALLY AWKWARD SITUATION.
JENNY: OH, I WAS LIKE, COULDN'T YOU HAVE SAID THAT,
WHEN WE WERE LIKE A COUPLE CARS BACK
AND I COULD JUST LIKE, OKAY,
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
REBECCA: YEAH, LIKE GIVE ME SOME PREP.
JENNY: I DID TELL HER THAT.
I SAID YOU'VE GOT TO SAY THAT A LITTLE EARLIER
THAN WHEN WE GET TO THE WINDOW
AND SHE'S RIGHT THERE.
AND WE'RE LIKE, SHE'S GIVING ME MY RECEIPT
AND I'M DRIVING OFF.
JENNY: YOU'RE IN OREGON, TOO, RIGHT?
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: OKAY.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING IN AND OF ITSELF.
THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THAT'S NOT PROBABLY -
IT'S PROBABLY NOT NEARLY AS CULTURALLY AS CHRISTIAN
AS LIKE HERE IN TEXAS.
JENNY: NO, NO.
NO, WE'RE GETTING THERE.
REBECCA: SO I WOULD FEEL EXTRA PRESSURE
IN THAT SITUATION
BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT MENTALITY OUT THERE.
JENNY: YEAH.
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
THAT'S SO SWEET, THOUGH.
I LOVE THAT. THAT'S SO GOOD.
SO YOU GOT TO MODEL IT
AND YOU'VE GOT TO STEWARD
HOW GOD'S CALLED THEM TO BE.
AND THAT'S JUST SO BEAUTIFUL.
JENNY: EITHER THAT, OR SOMEBODY ELSE
GETS TO BE THEIR HERO.
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS FINE, TOO.
LIKE IF THEY -
WE NEED TO BE AROUND PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE HEROIC IN THE FAITH.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT EVER TO BE LIKE,
YEAH, MY MOM, LIKE, SHE SAID A LOT OF STUFF,
BUT IT WAS THIS GIRL THAT REALLY CHANGED MY LIFE.
AND I SAW IT WALKED OUT IN HER.
WOULD YOU BE OKAY?
YEAH, WHOEVER THAT IS THEY'RE SPEAKING OF,
THAT'S AWESOME.
I JUST DON'T WANT THAT.
REBECCA: NO.
JENNY: I DIDN'T BECOME A MOM TO NOT PAVE THE WAY.
REBECCA: YEAH. WHAT I WAS THINKING, TOO,
A LOT OF MY PARENTS,
I CAUGHT A LOT OF -
JENNY: OF DIFFERENT ANGLES, TOO.
REBECCA: AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING I
LEARNED FROM THEM WAS
LIKE COMPLETE SURRENDER,
TOTAL OBEDIENCE.
JENNY: THAT'S THE BEST.
REBECCA: LIVING A LIFE OF FAITH.
YEAH.
AND I KNEW, EVEN WHEN I WAS 18
AND I WAS GOING TO COLLEGE
AND I WAS NOT SURRENDERED TO GOD AT THIS POINT,
I KNEW THAT THE BEST LIFE
WAS A LIFE -
THE BEST LIFE WAS A LIFE OF OBEDIENCE TO GOD.
AND SO I KNEW, IT'S LIKE, OKAY,
HERE ARE THESE UNIVERSITIES,
BUT I WANT TO GO WHERE GOD WANTS ME TO BE.
LIKE I UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE I HAD SEEN THEM
WALK IN THAT FOR YEARS.
SO, YEAH.
AND YOU LEARN, IT'S LIKE, YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN
UNDERSTAND SO MUCH OF IT
UNTIL LATER IN LIFE.
AND THEN YOU'RE IN THAT POSITION YOURSELF,
AND YOU'RE GRATEFUL BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE,
OH, MY GOSH, THIS IS SO HARD.
I'M SO PROUD OF THEM FOR DOING THIS.
JENNY: TOTALLY.
REBECCA: AND SO - AND I WILL SAY WITH MY DAD
GOING TO HEAVEN,
IT'S SO WEIRD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT THEM,
LIKE SOMEONE GRADUATING TO ETERNITY,
BUT SO MUCH CAME INTO PERSPECTIVE.
JENNY: WOW, I BET.
REBECCA: YEAH, WHEN HE WENT ON.
IT'S WILD.
IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
IT'S JUST SO MUCH OF WHAT MY DAD,
WHO MY DAD WAS,
WHAT HE DID, AND IT JUST GAVE ME SUCH GRATITUDE,
AND A RESPECT.
AND EVEN LIKE LEGACY, SO MUCH MORE LEGACY.
LIKE MADE MORE, IT WAS MORE APPARENT TO ME
WHEN HE WENT ON,
AND THEN THAT, OKAY, I WANT TO KEEP GOING.
LIKE HE PUT THAT IN ME.
LIKE GOD PUT THAT IN ME THROUGH HIM.
AND IT'S JUST WILD.
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S REALLY COOL.
JENNY: HE PASSED THE TORCH.
REBECCA: AND THEN I'M LIKE,
I WANT TO KEEP GOING.
AND I'M LIKE, WOW, I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
I WOULD HAVE BEEN SO LIKE FOCUSED AND DETERMINED
TO LIKE, OKAY, I'M GONNA DO THIS.
AND THEN LIKE I WAS SAYING EARLIER,
YOU THINK ABOUT THE GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES,
AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE SERMONS,
TALKING ABOUT MOURNING AND GRIEVING AND ALL THAT
WAS ACTUALLY BILL JOHNSON,
WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT AFTER,
I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST TIME HE PREACHED
AFTER HIS WIFE PASSED.
AND HE PREACHED SUCH A GOOD SERMON
ON MOURNING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND IT WAS JUST SO, LIKE HEAVEN-MINDED,
AND IT WAS SO ENCOURAGING.
BUT HE SAID THAT -
HE SAID THAT THE GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES,
IT'S LIKE A RELAY RACE,
AND SO IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE WATCHING
A RELAY RACE,
EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NO LONGER RUNNING,
YOU'VE PASSED THE BATON
AND YOU ARE CHEERING THEM ON
BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE
AND YOU WANT THEM TO RUN WELL.
AND SO IT'S LIKE THEY'RE WATCHING YOU
AND CHEERING YOU ON.
JENNY: WOW.
REBECCA: BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THEIR OBEDIENCE
AND THEIR THIS
HAS AFFECTED YOUR LIFE
AND NOW YOU'RE GOING.
NOW, ARE YOU GONNA BE OBEDIENT AND FAITHFUL?
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, MY GOSH,
AND IT JUST ENCOURAGED ME SO MUCH.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO IT FOR THE LORD FIRST,
BUT IT'S LIKE THAT'S ANOTHER LAYER
OF LIKE ENCOURAGEMENT,
LIKE, OKAY, THEY HAVE SACRIFICED,
THEY'VE INSTILLED THESE THINGS IN ME,
NOW I WANT TO KEEP GOING.
JENNY: COME ON.
YOU WANT TO FINISH WELL.
REBECCA: YOU WANT TO FINISH WELL, EXACTLY.
YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST START WELL.
JENNY: NO.
REBECCA: YOU WANT TO FINISH WELL.
JENNY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: SO WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR -
IT'S SO FUNNY, THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE
A 30-MINUTE INTERVIEW.
LIKE, I LITERALLY TOLD MY PRODUCERS THAT,
AND I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ALMOST AN HOUR AND A HALF.
SO I KNOW WE HAVE TO WRAP SOON.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO END ON?
I NEVER DO THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE THING LIKE,
IF YOU WANT TO SAY ONE LAST THING
TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING,
WHAT IS THAT NOTE?
WHICH IS THE MOST RANDOM BALLPARK QUESTION.
JENNY: NO, I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD.
SO AS I'VE BEEN AROUND PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF
THAT ARE JUST, GOD IS SO INCREDIBLY PROUD OF YOU,
AND HE'S CHEERING YOU ON,
I SEE THAT WOMEN RIGHT NOW
ARE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, BY THEMSELVES
AND GOD IS NOT SAYING,
HEY, YOU KNOW, BE A GOOD MOM, BE A GOOD WIFE.
I THINK HE'S ALSO SAYING,
WOMEN, YOU NEED TO ASSEMBLE AS AN ARMY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: SO IT'S NOT JUST EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT
UP UNTIL THIS POINT BY OURSELVES,
AND KIND OF HAVING A GOOD FRIEND OR TWO.
I BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ASSEMBLING AN ARMY OF WOMEN,
TO TURN AMERICA BACK TO GOD.
WE ARE IN THE HOUR OF WOMEN.
NOW, THERE'S MORDECAIS, THERE'S MEN,
BUT I CALL THE MEN THE BOW,
THE WOMEN ARE THE ARROWS.
AND THE ARCHER IS GOD.
THE ARCHER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
JUST SENDING WOMEN'S VOICES OUT.
AMERICA IS IN TROUBLE.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE KNOW THIS THAT ARE LISTENING.
SOME OF US DON'T KNOW THE DEGREE
THAT OTHER PEOPLE KNOW
DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH INFORMATION WE HAVE,
BUT FAMILIES ARE IN TROUBLE.
THE ENEMY ALWAYS GOES AFTER THE CHILDREN
TO UNRAVEL THE FAMILY.
THE FAMILY UNIT IS THE STRENGTH OF A NATION.
WE CANNOT SIT BACK AND BE SILENT.
WE ARE IN THE BOOK OF ESTHER RIGHT NOW.
WE CANNOT SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING.
AND SO WE ARE CALLING WOMEN TO PRAYER,
AND WE'VE BUILT A NETWORK.
IT'S CALLED THE ESTHER NETWORK.
AND WE'RE CALLING WOMEN TO COME TOGETHER.
LET'S ASSEMBLE AS AN ARMY.
BEING IN PORTLAND, OREGON,
DURING THE PANDEMIC, I SAW MY TOWN RIPPED APART
FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
ALL THE CHURCHES, WE SAT IT OUT.
WE BENCHED.
AND I WATCHED FOR OVER 180 DAYS,
AN ARMY ASSEMBLE TO TEAR APART A WHOLE CITY.
AND I THOUGHT, WOW, THEY'RE PRETTY ORGANIZED.
WHAT IF WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATION?
WHAT IF WE HAVE A PLAN?
WHAT IF WE HAVE FUNDING?
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE FUNDING, RIGHT?
AND THEN WE HAVE THE POWER OF GOD.
AND SO I WENT FROM FRUSTRATION AND HOPELESSNESS
TO WAIT A MINUTE.
SO GOD SPOKE TO ME AND HE SAID,
JENNY, WE'RE GONNA ASSEMBLE A MILLION WOMEN,
AND WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE MALL IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
AND I SAID, WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING,
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A MILLION WOMEN.
[ LAUGHTER ]
JENNY: AND HE'S LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
YOU'RE GONNA ALL START FINDING EACH OTHER
BECAUSE I'M TALKING TO WOMEN ALL OVER THE NATION
WHO ARE DEEPLY, DEEPLY CONCERNED
ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, THEIR CHILDREN,
THE PORNOGRAPHY
THAT IS IN THE LIBRARIES OF OUR SCHOOLS.
AND HE SAID THAT WOMEN ALL OVER AMERICA
ARE WONDERING WHAT CAN I DO,
I'M JUST ONE PERSON?
I LOVE MY KIDS, I LOVE THE LORD,
BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, RIGHT?
SO THERE'S AN ARMY OF ESTHERS THAT HAVE ASSEMBLED.
WE'VE STARTED SOMETHING CALLED THE ESTHER NETWORK.
YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ON OUR WEBSITE.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED PRAYER HUBS.
AND WE'RE ASKING WOMEN TO FIND ONE FRIEND,
OR THEIR CHILDREN,
CHILDREN BEING A BIG ONE,
ONCE A MONTH FOR ONE HOUR,
AND WE HAVE COLORING SHEETS FOR THE KIDS
WE UPLOAD EVERY MONTH.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.
JENNY: YEAH.
AND THE PRAYER HUBS ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE.
SO CHURCHES ARE STARTING TO PUT THIS
INSIDE THEIR ORGANIZATIONS.
WE HAVE, I WOULD JUST SAY
MILLENNIALS AND GEN Z.
PRAYER AND INTERCESSION IS NOT FOR THE GRANDMAS.
YOU KNOW, I LOVE THEM, AND THANK GOD
I HAVE THEM IN MY LIFE,
LIKE DIAL UP AN INTERCESSION WARRIOR, YOU KNOW.
BUT TO PRAY IS TO STEP INTO YOUR DESTINY.
AND TO PRAY WITH ANOTHER PERSON IS POWERFUL.
MATTHEW 18:19-20 SAYS
WHERE TWO OR MORE COME TOGETHER AND PRAY,
ASK, AGREE IN MY NAME,
HE'LL DO IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PROBLEMS ALONE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST READ SELF-HELP BOOKS ALONE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO, OKAY, GOD,
I WANT TO BE THE BEST I CAN BE IN WHATEVER.
WE NEED TO GET WITH ANOTHER PERSON.
SO THE NET, THE ESTHER NETWORK,
I SEE IT LIKE A NET.
LIKE, OKAY, YOU AND I ARE MEETING
FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY,
BUT WE'RE TYING A NET TOGETHER, RIGHT?
THERE'S A NET.
AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE LOAD UP PRAYERS,
MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
AND THEN THE PRAYER HUBS WE HAVE ONCE A MONTH,
THAT PEOPLE COME TOGETHER PHYSICALLY.
SO WE BUILD UP THIS PRAYER STRUCTURE
THAT'S REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE.
BUT THEN I ALSO SEE WITH THESE WOMEN
THAT ARE COMING INTO THIS NET,
IS THAT WE WILL HELP WOMEN USE
PART OF THEIR AUTHORITY,
WHICH IS TO VOTE.
YOU KNOW, GOD DOESN'T VOTE, WE DO.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY OF THAT AUTHORITY
TO THE ENEMY.
SO WE'RE STARTING TO EDUCATE ON HOW TO VOTE,
YOU KNOW, HOW TO HAVE BIBLICALLY-ALIGNED CANDIDATES,
THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK WOMEN ARE GONNA BE THRUST INTO GOVERNMENT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE WOMEN RUN FOR MAYOR.
WOMEN FOR CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE SUCH AN INCREDIBLE
RISING UP OF WOMEN,
IT'S GONNA BLOW OUR MINDS.
AND ALL THESE MORDECAIS
ARE GONNA BE THERE.
THESE MEN.
MAYBE IT'S A HUSBAND, MAYBE IT'S NOT.
MAYBE IT'S A PASTOR, MAYBE IT'S A LEADER,
MAYBE IT'S A BUSINESS PERSON,
AN UNCLE OR A BROTHER
SAYING, YOU HAVE TO GO.
YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR VOICE.
YOU NEED TO RUN FOR THIS.
YOU NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL BOARD.
YOU NEED TO STAND UP.
AND FOR SOME WOMEN,
IF YOU HAVE LITTLE KIDS IN YOUR HOME,
IT'S HAVING A PRAYER HUB.
IT'S PULLING OUT THE COLOR SHEETS,
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PRAY AND YOU'RE GONNA SAY AMEN,
I'M GONNA TEACH YOU HOW TO TAKE COMMUNION.
AND SO THIS IS THE THING.
BECAUSE AMERICA IS IN TROUBLE,
THE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JENNY: THE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ANSWER
FOR THE EARTH.
SO THIS ISN'T LIKE US LOOKING AROUND GOING,
WELL, MAYBE SOMEBODY GREAT WILL COME ALONG.
NO, YOU'RE GREAT.
EVERY PERSON LISTENING, NO, YOU'RE THE ONE.
TAG, YOU'RE IT.
SO WE ALL HAVE TO COME INTO
A PLACE THAT WE SAY,
OKAY, I'LL DO MY PART.
AND IF ALL OF US DO OUR PART,
THAT DOESN'T FEEL VERY SIGNIFICANT,
LIKE TO LISTEN TO AN AUDIO PRAYER,
TO HAVE THE COLOR SHEETS OUT WITH MY KIDS.
IT'S ALL DOING WAY MORE THAN ANYBODY UNDERSTANDS.
AND SO I WOULD SAY,
JOINING THE ESTHER NETWORK IS HUGE.
IT'S SIMPLE.
REBECCA: HOW DO YOU DO IT?
JENNY: ON HERVOICEMVMT.COM,
AND IT'S HERVOICE M-V-M-T.COM.
YOU GO IN THERE, YOU'LL SEE IT THERE.
AND WE HAVE A MORDECAI COME ON MONDAYS,
AND HE PRAYS FOR PEOPLE.
AND THEN WE TEACH ABOUT THE BOOK OF ESTHER
THE FIRST DAY.
AND THEN WE GO INTO PRAYER
TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY,
FRIDAY, SATURDAY,
WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL.
AND ACTUALLY THE PROCEEDS FROM THAT
ARE GOING TO THE MEETING IN WASHINGTON, D.C.,
WHERE A MILLION WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES
WILL STAND.
WE'RE LOOKING AT OCTOBER OF 2024.
BUT I WILL SHARE THIS.
WE DO HAVE A DATE FOR SOMETHING
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT.
WE'RE GONNA ASSEMBLE AT THE STATE CAPITOLS,
ALL 50 STATES.
AND THAT WILL BE ON ONE DAY,
APRIL 13TH.
THAT WILL BE IN THE STATE CAPITOLS.
AND THAT'S US COMING INTO THE PUBLIC SQUARE,
US SAYING, DON'T MESS WITH OUR KIDS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A SOLEMN ASSEMBLY OF PRAYER,
BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT
REFORMATION STRATEGIES.
WE'VE GOT TO GET TO THE SCHOOL BOARDS,
WE NEED TO VOTE.
MOST WOMEN LIKE ME
HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO DO THIS AND I'VE HAD TO LEARN.
AND NOW WE CARRY A BURDEN
TO HELP JUST THE AVERAGE MOM,
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO,
BUT I WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE,
AND I DON'T WANT TO SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING
OR BURY MY HAND IN THE SAND.
SO STAY TUNED, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WAYS
FOR EVERY WOMAN IN ESTHER,
EVERY MAN IN MORDECAI,
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO PLUG IN
AND USE THEIR VOICE
AND ABDICATE THEIR AUTHORITY TO DO IT.
SO IT'S THE CAPITOLS IN APRIL,
AND THEN OCTOBER 2024 WE'LL ALL BE AT
THE NATION'S CAPITOL WITH OUR FAMILIES.
IT'S NOT JUST WOMEN, IT'S WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES.
REBECCA: THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.
THAT IS SO GOOD.
I JUST LOVE THAT.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL THINGS WE CAN DO
IN THE SPIRIT, IS TO GATHER TOGETHER
IN UNITY AND TO PRAY.
AND THAT'S WHEN REAL CHANGE HAPPENS.
JENNY: COME ON.
REBECCA: AND I THINK THAT IS THE KIND OF THING,
WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HOW DO WE CHANGE OUR NATION,
HOW DO WE GET OUR NATION TO TURN BACK TO GOD?
IT'S EXACTLY THAT.
LIKE, I'M SEEING THAT IS THE WAY
GOD DOES IT.
AND SO I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
WE'RE GONNA BE PRAYING FOR YOU.
AND JUST KEEP GOING AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
JENNY: IT'S BEEN SUCH AN HONOR AND A JOY.
SUPER FUN.
YOU'RE DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB.
REBECCA: THANK YOU.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
AND PLUG YOUR WEBSITE ONE MORE TIME.
JENNY: YEAH, IT'S HERVOICEMVMT.COM.
REBECCA: OKAY. JENNY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
JENNY: YOU'RE SO WELCOME.
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