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REBECCA: HEY, GUYS,
I'M REALLY EXCITED TODAY

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BECAUSE WE HAVE WITH US


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NBA PLAYER JONATHAN JUDAH
ISAAC IN THE STUDIO TODAY.

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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.


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JONATHAN: THANK
YOU FOR HAVING ME.

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I APPRECIATE IT.


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REBECCA: I APPRECIATE IT


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BECAUSE YOUR STORY TAPS ON
SO MANY THINGS

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THAT ARE IMPORTANT.


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SO I WANT YOU
TO START US OFF

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WITH YOUR TESTIMONY.


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TELL US ABOUT GROWING UP.


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JONATHAN: YES.


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OKAY, SO RIGHT INTO IT.


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GROWING UP I GREW UP
IN BRONX, NEW YORK.

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WHEN IT COMES TO
TESTIMONY, MY DAD,

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WELL, REALLY MY FAMILY,


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BUT MOSTLY MY DAD


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WAS A HOLY GHOST ROLLER.


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WE WERE IN LIKE
THE STEREOTYPICAL

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PENTECOSTAL BAPTIST CHURCH,


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HOOPING AND HOLLERING
AND THE WHOLE,

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WHOLE NINE YARDS.


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MY DAD WOULD HAVE US
MEMORIZE WHOLE PSALMS.

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SO WE WOULD GO HOME,
COME HOME FROM SCHOOL,

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AND MEMORIZE THE PSALMS
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO

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RECITE THEM IN CHURCH.


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WE'D STAND UP
AND RECITE THEM.

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AND SO FOR ME,
IT WAS ALWAYS

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JUST ABOUT TRADITION.


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IT WAS MORE SO ABOUT
THIS IS WHO GOD IS,

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WE SHOULD RESPECT GOD,


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WE SHOULD REVERENCE GOD.


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WE SHOULD DO RIGHT.


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WE WOULD GET WHOOPINGS
IF WE DIDN'T DO RIGHT.

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MY DAD WAS BIG ON WHOOPINGS.


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BUT IT WAS NEVER,


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IT WAS NEVER REALLY
BROKEN DOWN TO ME ABOUT

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WHAT JESUS DID,


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WHY GOD SENT JESUS.


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WHY HE CAME,


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WHAT WAS HE
DELIVERING US FROM.

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IT WAS JUST ABOUT
WE JUST LOVED GOD.

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WE REVERENCED GOD,


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AND WE TRIED OUR
BEST TO DO RIGHT.

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AND SO FOR ME,


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THAT REALLY
WASN'T SOMETHING

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THAT COULD TRULY
CAPTURE ME.

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RIGHT, IT WAS
JUST ABOUT RULES,

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AND JUST DOING RIGHT.


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AND SO AS I GREW UP,


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AND FOR ME,
BASKETBALL STARTED

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TO TAKE OVER PRETTY EARLY.


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AND SO AS I STARTED TO
FOCUS ON BASKETBALL,

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AND PUT THINGS
IN BASKETBALL,

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EVERYTHING KIND OF FADED
INTO THE BACKGROUND ABOUT

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FAITH IN GOD AND
ALL THAT STUFF.

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AND SO MY PARENTS SPLIT UP
WHEN I WAS TEN YEARS OLD.

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I MOVED FROM BRONX, NEW
YORK TO NAPLES FLORIDA.

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AND I REALLY,
REALLY STRUGGLED.

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SO PREDOMINANTLY
BLACK COMMUNITY

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TO PREDOMINANTLY
WHITE COMMUNITY.

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MY NICKNAME WAS ETHIOPIA
BECAUSE I WAS TALL,

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I WAS LENGTHY, I WAS DARK.


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AND I TRIED SO
HARD TO FIT IN.

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I REMEMBER I WAS SO
USED TO HORSEPLAY,

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AND THIS IS A STORY
IN THE BOOK EARLY ON.

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BUT I WAS SO USED
TO HORSEPLAY

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THAT I WOULD RUN UP


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AND I WOULD GRAB THE
KIDS BY THEIR ANKLES,

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AND I WAS BIGGER
THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

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I WOULD GRAB THEM BY THE
ANKLES AND I WOULD DRAG THEM.

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BUT IT WAS SOMETHING
THAT WE DID ALL THE TIME

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IN NEW YORK.


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I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND LIKE
A CULTURE SHIFT

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OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.


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REBECCA: YEAH.


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JONATHAN: SO I DID IT
IN NAPLES, FLORIDA

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TO LITTLE WHITE KIDS.


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REBECCA: OH, NO.


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JONATHAN: AND LIKE A WEEKEND,


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I THOUGHT I WAS
MAKING FRIENDS,

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BECAUSE THEY WOULD
LAUGH AND PLAY

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AND THEN I GOT SET UP.


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I SHOWED UP ONE DAY


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AND I TRIED TO GRAB A KID


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AND A SECURITY GUARD
WAS WAITING ON ME.

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AND THEY CALLED MY MOM.


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AND I REMEMBER MY
MOM LIKE PLEADING

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WITH THE PRINCIPAL,


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LIKE, YOU KNOW,
WE JUST MOVED.

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HE'S TRYING TO FIT IN.


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AND THE PRINCIPAL WAS
LEGITIMATELY CONCERNED FOR

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THE KIDS' LIVES.


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IT WAS JUST LIKE WE CAN'T
HAVE HIM ENDANGERING THE

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LIVES OF STUDENTS
AND EVERYTHING.

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AND I JUST REMEMBER
BEING LIKE,

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OH, MY GOSH.


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LIKE THAT WAS THE
FIRST TIME

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I STARTED LIKE AN INTERNAL
LIFE DIALOGUE OF LIKE

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LIKE I'M NOT WHAT I
PERCEIVED MYSELF AS,

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LIKE I'M A DANGER.


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I'M THIS, I'M THAT.


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AND SO --


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REBECCA: HOW THEY
LABELED YOU,

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YOU PUT ON YOURSELF.


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JONATHAN: RIGHT.


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REBECCA: THEIR
PERCEPTION OF YOU

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AND BEING MISUNDERSTOOD.


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JONATHAN: RIGHT,
ABSOLUTELY.

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AND SO I STARTED
TO CARRY THAT

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LIKE THIS DESIRE TO FIT IN.


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THIS DESIRE TO KIND OF
WALK ON EGG SHELLS

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AND PLEASE EVERYONE.


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I NEVER WANTED
ANYBODY TO BE UPSET.

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I NEVER WANTED
ANYBODY TO BE HURT.

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YOU KNOW, I'VE KIND
OF DEVELOPED THAT.

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ONE, IT WAS A
TENDER HEART,

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BUT AT THE SAME TIME,


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IT WAS VERY SELF-INSECURE,


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ALWAYS TRYING TO KIND OF MOLD
MYSELF AROUND OTHER PEOPLE.

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AND THAT'S WHERE BASKETBALL
STARTED TO TAKE OFF,

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BECAUSE ONCE I
FOUND BASKETBALL,

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THE BETTER THAT
I GOT AT IT,

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I STARTED TO DEVELOP
THOSE FRIENDSHIPS.

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AND GIRLS WANTED
TO BE AROUND ME.

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THE GUYS WANTED TO
PICK ME ON THEIR TEAM.

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AND I STARTED TO
JUST INVEST

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EVERYTHING IN BASKETBALL.


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I BECAME THE NUMBER
ONE PLAYER

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IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.


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BUT BEHIND THE SCENES,


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I WAS STILL STRUGGLING
VERY MUCH ABOUT WHO I WAS,

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MY IDENTITY,


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MY SELF-PERCEPTION.


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AND IT STARTED TO
BECOME THIS THING

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WHERE BEFORE EVERY GAME,


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I WOULD BE SO ANXIOUS.


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IT WOULD BE LIKE, IT WOULD
BE LIKE A MAKE OR BREAK

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THING EVERY GAME.


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IF I PLAYED WELL,


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EVERYONE WAS STILL
GONNA LOVE ME.

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IF I DIDN'T PLAY WELL,


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EVERYTHING WAS GONNA
COME CRASHING DOWN,

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AND I WOULDN'T
HAVE ANY FRIENDS,

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AND MY FAMILY,


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MY MOM WOULDN'T
BE PROUD OF ME,

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ALL THESE
DIFFERENT THINGS.

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AND SO THE MORE THAT THIS
KIND OF GOT INGRAINED IN ME,

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I WOULD HAVE
THIS WHOLE THING.

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BEFORE EVERY GAME,


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IT WOULD BE THIS HUGE
EXPLOSION OF EMOTION.

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AND AS THE GAME
WENT DOWN,

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IT WOULD DIE DOWN


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AND THEN DO IT ALL OVER
AGAIN EACH AND EVERY GAME.

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I GET TO, FAST
FORWARD A LITTLE BIT,

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I GET DRAFTED BY THE --


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ACTUALLY, I SHOULD TALK
ABOUT FLORIDA STATE.

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I GO TO FLORIDA
STATE UNIVERSITY.

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I GOT A SCHOLARSHIP THERE.


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I BECAME ONE OF THE MOST
HIGHLY TOUTED RECRUITS

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IN THE COUNTRY.


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I HAD A SCHOLARSHIP FROM
EVERY SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY.

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I ENDED UP GOING
TO FLORIDA STATE.

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THERE WAS ONE COACH,
COACH GATES THAT

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I BECAME VERY CLOSE WITH.


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AND HE KNEW ABOUT
SOME OF THE THINGS

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THAT I WAS
STRUGGLING WITH.

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BUT I WOULD START HAVING
THESE PANIC ATTACKS

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AS THE SEASON
WAS APPROACHING.

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AND SO LIKE
OUT OF NOWHERE,

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I WOULD JUST LIKE
FREEZE UP.

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I COULDN'T MOVE.


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MY MOUTH WOULD GET DRY,


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ALL THESE
DIFFERENT THINGS.

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AND IT WAS AS THE CLOSER
THAT THE SEASON GOT,

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BECAUSE WHEN YOU FIRST
GET ON SCHOOL ON CAMPUS,

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THE SEASON
ISN'T READY YET.

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SO AS WE GOT
CLOSER AND CLOSER,

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THESE UNDERWHELMING
FEELINGS.

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AND I WASN'T EVEN
NOTICING THEM.

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I WAS BECOMING MORE
AND MORE ANXIOUS

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BECAUSE EVERYONE EXPECTED
ME TO BE THE SAVIOR IN

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A SENSE TO THE SCHOOL.


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LIKE YOU'RE THE
BIG MAN ON CAMPUS.

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YOU GOT TO COME IN
AND HANDLE BUSINESS.

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AND SO THE CLOSER THAT
WE GOT TO THE SEASON,

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I STARTED HAVING
THESE PANIC ATTACKS

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UNTIL WHERE I HAD ONE LIKE
FULL LIKE PASS OUT EPISODE.

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AND THEN I WAS ON
ANXIETY MEDICATION,

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BUT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT.


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MY FAMILY DIDN'T KNOW,


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MY PARENTS DIDN'T KNOW.


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TEAMMATES DIDN'T KNOW.


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ONE COACH, ONE TEAMMATE
KNEW ABOUT IT.

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FAST FORWARD,
I GET DRAFTED.

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I'M THE SIXTH PICK
IN THE NBA DRAFT.

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I GO TO ORLANDO.


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STILL THIS, I'M
KIND OF PROGRESSING.

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I'M MOVING, I WAS
STILL ABLE TO PERFORM.

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BUT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT THE
BEHIND THE SCENES STRUGGLE

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THAT IT WAS.


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I WOULD START THE GAME.


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I'D PLAY BAD.


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HALF TIME, I'D
CRY MY EYES OUT,

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AND THEN ALL THE
ANXIETY WOULD LEAVE.

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AND THEN I WOULD JUST BE,


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I'D BE THE BEST.


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AND SO I REMEMBER THERE
WERE SO MANY GAMES

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AT FLORIDA STATE


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WHERE THE FIRST HALF
I'D BE TERRIBLE.

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SECOND HALF, AND MY
COACH ALREADY KNEW.

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LIKE WE WOULD GO
INTO A SIDE ROOM,

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I'M LIKE THE NUMBER ONE
PLAYER IN THE TEAM.

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SO I WOULD GO INTO A SIDE
ROOM, I'D CRY.

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HE'D TELL ME YOU'RE THE
SECOND HALF PLAYER.

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I'D COME OUT AND
DROP 25.

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REBECCA: WHAT?


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JONATHAN: AND SO IT WAS
LIKE THIS KIND OF THING

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THAT WAS GOING ON.


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REBECCA: A CYCLE.


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JONATHAN: YES, BEHIND
THE SCENES.

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AND FAST FORWARD AGAIN,


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I GET DRAFTED IN THE NBA.


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AND THE BOOK TALKS
ABOUT SO MUCH OF THIS.

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LIKE IT'S HARD TO
KIND OF GET IT ALL

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BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION WITH YOU.

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BUT I MEET A MAN
ON AN ELEVATOR

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INTO MY ROOKIE SEASON.


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AND HE STOPS ME AND SAYS,


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I CAN TELL YOU
HOW TO BE GREAT.

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AND I'M LIKE, OKAY,
TELL ME HOW.

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HE SAYS, YOU HAVE
TO KNOW JESUS.

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AND I'M LIKE, YEAH,
MAN, I KNOW JESUS,

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ALL THIS DIFFERENT STUFF.


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REBECCA: I'VE
HEARD THIS BEFORE.

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JONATHAN: YES, I'VE
HEARD THIS BEFORE.

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I KNOW JESUS.


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BUT THAT MOMENT
STARTS A --

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JUST A CASCADE OF EVENTS


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WHERE I START TO SEE GOD.


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I START TO SEE THAT
GOD IS A REALITY.

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AND THIS MAN THAT I
MET ON THE ELEVATOR,

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WE BECOME FRIENDS


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AND HE BECOMES A MENTOR
AND A PASTOR TO ME TODAY.

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AND OUR STORY
IS JUST AMAZING.

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I REALLY TRY MY BEST
TO IMPLORE PEOPLE

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TO READ THE BOOK.


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BUT HE TAUGHT ME ABOUT
THE LOVE OF GOD,

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AND HOW GOD WAS A
PERSONAL GOD.

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AND GOD KNEW US.


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AND I STARTED TO
DEVELOP A PRAYER LIFE

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AND A MINISTRY.


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AND I JUST BEGAN TO GROW.


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HIS NAME IS DR. DURONE
HEPBURN.

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I GO TO JUMP MINISTRIES
GLOBAL CHURCH

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WHERE HE PASTORS NOW.


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BUT MY LIFE HAS JUST BEEN
COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED

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AS I WAS ABLE TO LEARN


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HOW TO SPEAK BACK TO
THE LIES OF THE ENEMY,

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LEARN THE WORD OF GOD,


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AND HOW I'M NOT WHAT
SOMETIMES I THINK I AM.

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I'M WHO GOD SAYS I AM.


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AND I JUST BEGAN
TO DO THAT.

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AND IT'S KIND OF LED TO
SOME MOMENTS OF, YOU KNOW

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GOING TO THIS KID WHO
WAS STRUGGLING

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WITH ALL
THESE THINGS

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TO, YOU KNOW, A MAN WHO
IS WILLING TO STAND UP

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FOR WHAT HE BELIEVES IN.


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REBECCA: YEAH.


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JONATHAN: AND HAS
BEEN ABLE TO DO

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THE WORK BEHIND THE SCENES


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TO BECOME BETTER.


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REBECCA: IT'S SUCH
A POWERFUL STORY

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BECAUSE YOU
WERE PERFORMING

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FOR LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE.


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AND AS YOU WERE
DOING THAT,

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AS YOU ROSE HIGHER


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AND BECAME MORE
SUCCESSFUL,

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IT PUT EVEN MORE
PRESSURE ON YOU,

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GOING FROM HIGH
SCHOOL TO COLLEGE

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TO THE THE NBA.


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AND MEETING GOD
IN THIS WAY,

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HELPED BREAK THE
HOLD OFF OF THAT,

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OFF OF YOUR LIFE.


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MOVING OUT OF
A PLACE OF

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I HAVE TO PERFORM.


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BECAUSE AT ANY MOMENT,


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IF YOU LOST IT,


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YOU WOULD LOSE IT ALL.


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AND SO I CAN'T
EVEN IMAGINE

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THE ANXIETY YOU WOULD FEEL
ON THIS PUBLIC STAGE.

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EVERYONE WATCHING YOU.


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KNOWING THAT PEOPLE'S
HOPES AND DREAMS

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THAT THEY HAVE IN YOU,


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WEIGHING ON YOUR
PERFORMANCE.

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I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT,


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I'VE TOLD MY HUSBAND,


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I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW
COLLEGE ATHLETES FEEL,

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AND PROFESSIONAL
ATHLETES FEEL

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WHEN ALL THESE PEOPLE
ARE ROOTING FOR YOU,

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AND IT ALL IS ON YOU.


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AND IF YOU MAKE
THAT MISTAKE,

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HOW EVERYONE CAN
JUST TURN ON YOU.

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WHAT CAUSED THE SHIFT


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TO BREAK OUT OF THE
PERFORMANCE FOR LOVE

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TO I AM A CHILD OF GOD


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AND I AM SECURE
IN HIS LOVE,

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AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT
PEOPLE THINK ABOUT ME?

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JONATHAN: YEAH, I
WOULD SAY WHAT BROKE

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IT WAS TIME.


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DEFINITELY A PROCESS
OF, YOU KNOW,

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I GOT INVOLVED
IN THE CHURCH

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AND I GAVE MY
LIFE TO CHRIST,

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BUT THAT WAS JUST
THE BEGINNING.

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AND GOD BEGAN TO, I GUESS
ALMOST LIKE GOD KNOWS WHAT

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WE'RE DEALING WITH.


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GOD KNOWS WHAT WE'RE
STRUGGLING WITH.

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GOD BEGAN TO, IN A WAY,


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FORCE ME TO STEP OUT


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AND SPEAK TO THE LIES.


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AND SO THERE'S A
STORY IN THE BOOK

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WHERE EARLY ON OF ME
GETTING INTO THE CHURCH,

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I HAD THIS WEIRD MOMENT


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WHERE I'M IN
BED ONE NIGHT.

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AND I HAVE THIS
OVERWHELMING

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FEELING OF PREACHING.


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LIKE I HAVE A WORD,


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LIKE I'M GONNA PREACH,
AND ALL THIS STUFF.

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AND I FELT LIKE AN UNCTION.


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REBECCA: IN YOUR SPIRIT.


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JONATHAN: YES, I FELT
AN UNCTION TO PREACH.

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AND I REMEMBER GETTING
UP OUT OF MY BED,

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LIKE GOING IN THE MIRROR.


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AND I WAS SAYING,


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I THINK I WAS SAYING,


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LIKE IF WE WOULD JUST DO WHAT
GOD IS ASKING US TO DO,

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WE WOULD GET,


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THAT WE WOULD REAP
THE BENEFITS OF IT.

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BUT A LOT OF TIMES


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WE WANT WHAT
GOD HAS FOR US,

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BUT WE'RE NOT OBEDIENT.


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AND SO I WAS SAYING
THAT TO MYSELF,

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AND IT WAS LIKE AND
SOMETHING WAS SAYING,

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PREACH, PREACH, PREACH,


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AND I WAS DOING IT.


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AND THEN I WENT


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AND I TOLD MY PASTOR,


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I SAID, HEY, I HAD
THIS WEIRD THING.

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HE'S LIKE YOU NEED TO PREACH.


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AND I'M LIKE I NEED
TO WHAT?

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I'M LIKE THERE'S
ABSOLUTELY

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NO WAY I'M GONNA PREACH.


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AND IT WASN'T
EVEN JUST THAT.

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HE SAID, YOU NEED TO
INVITE YOUR TEAMMATES.

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AND SO NOW THIS IS
THE SAME TEAMMATES

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THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO,


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I WAS IN THE CLUB WITH.


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I WAS DOING MY THING.


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I WAS OUT THERE.


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AND NOW I'M SUPPOSED
TO GO TO THEM,

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AND TELL THEM THAT I'M
PREACHING IN CHURCH

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AND THAT I HAVE A WORD,


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ALL THIS DIFFERENT STUFF.


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AND HE SAID TO ME,


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ONLY GIVE ME YOUR ANSWER


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AFTER YOU REALLY
PRAY ABOUT IT.

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I PRAYED ABOUT
IT, OF COURSE.

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I GOT TO GO
THROUGH WITH IT.

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AND THAT WAS THE
FIRST MOMENT

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OF BEHIND THE SCENES


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GOD PUSHING ME TOWARDS
STANDING UP TO THE FEAR.

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STANDING UP TO
THE SELF-INSECURITY.

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AND THE ONLY WAY


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THAT I WAS ABLE
TO GO THROUGH IT

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WAS I HAD TO SEE MYSELF
THROUGH THE LENS OF HOW

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GOD SEES ME.


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AND IT WAS THIS PROCESS
OF LITTLE STEPS,

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LITTLE STEPS, LITTLE
STEPS AND SAYING,

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OH, HOW GOD IS WITH ME.


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GOD IS FOR ME,


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AND HIS WORD IS TRUE.


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AND JUST BEING ABLE TO
SPEAK BACK TO THE LIE.

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BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS
GONNA BE THERE.

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THE DEVIL IS NEVER
GONNA STOP TALKING.

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HE'S NEVER GONNA
STOP LYING.

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BUT YOU DO LEARN


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HOW TO SPEAK BACK.


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YOU DO LEARN HIS TACTICS.


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AND SO EVEN WITH
STUFF LIKE THIS,

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SPEAKING AND STANDING UP,


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I KNOW HE'S COMING.


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I KNOW WHAT HE'S
COMING WITH.

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AND I TRY MY BEST TO
USE THE WORD OF GOD

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TO COMBAT IT


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AND TO JUST STAND UP


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AND KNOW THAT
GOD IS FAITHFUL

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AND THAT HE'S
GONNA HAVE ME.

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REBECCA: AND THAT'S
WHAT JESUS DID.

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WHEN HE WAS TEMPTED
IN THE DESERT,

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IN THE WILDERNESS.


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THE DEVIL USED THE
BIBLE AGAINST JESUS

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AND SAID IF YOU ARE
THE SON OF GOD,

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AND HE CHALLENGED
HIS IDENTITY.

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AND HE COMBATED BACK


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WITH THE SCRIPTURE.


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AND SO YOU'RE RIGHT,


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THE ENEMY ATTACKS
OUR WEAK SPOTS.

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HE ATTACKS OUR IDENTITY.


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HE KNOWS WHERE TO
HIT WHERE IT HURTS

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BASED UPON OUR EXPERIENCES,
OUR HURTS, TRAUMA,

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WHATEVER IT MAY BE.


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AND SO IT'S SO IMPORTANT,


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LIKE YOU SAID, AS
WE WALK WITH GOD,

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GOD WORKED IT IN
YOU LIKE A MUSCLE

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LEARNING TO STAND UP.


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AND ALSO HE
FORTIFIED YOU --

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JONATHAN: YOU GOT IT.


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REBECCA: IN HIS WORD


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AND THEN ALSO TAUGHT YOU
HOW TO COMBAT IT YOURSELF.

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AND YOU SHIFTED FROM


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BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WITH
THE LIES OF THE ENEMY

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THE SHIFT GOING FROM NOT
EVEN REALIZING IT WAS HIM

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TALKING TO YOU.


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MAYBE EVEN THINKING
THAT IT WAS YOURSELF,

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JONATHAN: YOURSELF, YES.


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RACHEL: YES, AND THEN
SHIFTING INTO REALIZING

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IT WAS THE ENEMY.


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AND THEN SHIFTING INTO,


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OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU
TO SPEAK INTO MY LIFE.

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I REBUKE THIS


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AND YOU SPEAK THE
TRUTH OF THE LORD.

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JONATHAN: AND EVEN
TO ADD TO THAT,

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WHAT WAS SO KEY


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WAS THE PEOPLE THAT
I HAD AROUND ME.

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LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT WAS SUCH A BLESSING

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TO ME IS LIKE,


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I HAD NEVER SPOKEN
BEFORE, RIGHT?

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AND MY PASTOR SAID
I SHOULD SPEAK.

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AND IT WAS LIKE IN
MY MIND I'M LIKE,

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YOU BELIEVE IN ME.


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YOU THINK I CAN DO THIS?


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BUT FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE,


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HE'S SAYING LIKE
THIS IS GOD.

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LIKE GOD IS IN THIS.


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AND I TRUST AND
BELIEVE GOD.

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BUT IT WAS LIKE AS HE
WAS LOOKING AT ME,

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TELLING ME TO DO THIS.


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IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD


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I'M LIKE, NO, HE ACTUALLY
THINKS I CAN DO THIS.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHY,


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BUT HAVING THE RIGHT
PEOPLE AROUND ME

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THAT SAW ME FARTHER
THAN I SAW MYSELF

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AND SAW ME BETTER
THAN I SAW MYSELF

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WAS AN EXTREME CATALYST OF
TAKING THOSE BABY STEPS.

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REBECCA: YOUR COMMUNITY
IS SO IMPORTANT.

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AND THE BIBLE
TALKS ABOUT

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THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY.


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AND WE WERE
DESIGNED BY GOD,

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RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM,


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AND RELATIONSHIP
WITH OTHERS

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AND YOUR COMMUNITY
IS SO IMPORTANT.

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AND WHAT I LOVE THE STORY
ABOUT YOUR PASTOR IS

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HE SPOKE PROPHETICALLY
INTO YOUR LIFE

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IN THE FIRST ENCOUNTER.


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HE SAYS, I CAN SHOW
YOU THIS.

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I SEE THIS IN YOU


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AND YOU LEANED INTO THAT.


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YOU LEANED -- WHEN
I THOUGHT ABOUT,

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WHEN I HEARD THE STORY ABOUT
YOU AND YOUR PASTOR WAS,

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THAT WAS THE BEGINNING
OF A WALK OF FAITH.

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BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T
KNOW THIS GUY.

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JONATHAN: YES.


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REBECCA: AND YOU, I WANT
YOU TO UNPACK THAT STORY.

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BECAUSE IT WAS KIND
OF THIS SITUATION

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WHERE YOU COULD HAVE
JUST BRUSHED IT OFF.

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BUT YOU TOOK A CHANCE,


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YOU TOOK A STEP OF FAITH,


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AND GOD UNFOLDED
YOU WALKING

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INTO THIS BEAUTIFUL CHURCH.


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THIS BEAUTIFUL
CHURCH COMMUNITY

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THAT WOULD HAVE SUCH A
MASSIVE IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE.

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JONATHAN: YES, I'LL SHARE,


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I'LL BREAK IT DOWN A BIT.


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SO I MEET THIS GUY
ON THE ELEVATOR.

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HE TELLS ME I CAN TELL
YOU HOW TO BE GREAT

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AND YOU GOT TO KNOW JESUS.


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YEAH, YEAH, MAN,
I KNOW JESUS.

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SEE YOU LATER.


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BUT I KEEP
RUNNING INTO HIM.

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REBECCA: YEAH, YOU COULDN'T
GET AWAY FROM HIM.

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JONATHAN: THE PARKING
LOT, THE ELEVATOR,

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IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING,


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BEHIND THE BUILDING.


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I'M LIKE I'M THINKING
TO MYSELF,

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THIS GUY HAS TO
BE FOLLOWING ME

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FOR THIS TO
CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

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AND HE ASKED ME TO
LUNCH EACH TIME.

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AND I'M LIKE, YOU'LL
FIGURE IT OUT.

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FINALLY, I'M LIKE, DUDE,
IF I SEE YOU ONE MORE TIME,

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I WILL GO TO
LUNCH WITH YOU.

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WE GO TO LUNCH, COOL.


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WE HAVE A
GOOD CONVERSATION.

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BUT AS I'M LEAVING
OUT OF THE THING,

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I'M LIKE, OKAY, FINALLY, I
CAN DELETE THIS GUY'S NUMBER.

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GOOD, I'LL NEVER
SEE HIM AGAIN.

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AND FOR SOME REASON, I DIDN'T
SEE HIM ANYMORE AFTER THAT.

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I DIDN'T SEE
HIM FOR A WHILE.

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AND THERE WERE JUST SO
MANY THINGS WORKING

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BEHIND THE SCENES


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THAT GOD IS
JUST SO AMAZING.

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WAS HAPPENING WAS

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I WENT TO A
CHAPEL SERVICE.

00:14:43.567 --> 00:14:46.067
SO THE NBA HAS A CHAPEL,


00:14:46.167 --> 00:14:48.033
60 MINUTES BEFORE
EVERY GAME.

00:14:48.133 --> 00:14:48.934
A TEAMMATE INVITED ME.


00:14:49.034 --> 00:14:50.666
I'M LIKE, YEAH,
SURE I'LL GO.

00:14:50.766 --> 00:14:51.667
I GO TO THE CHAPEL


00:14:51.767 --> 00:14:52.767
AND THE CHAPLAIN SAYS,


00:14:52.867 --> 00:14:55.034
LUKE 6:46.


00:14:55.134 --> 00:14:55.900
THE FIRST TIME I EVER
HEARD THAT VERSE.

00:14:55.967 --> 00:14:57.600
IT SAYS WHY DO YOU CALL
ME LORD, LORD,

00:14:57.700 --> 00:14:59.766
AND NOT
DO WHAT I SAY?

00:14:59.866 --> 00:15:00.833
AND HE SAID THAT,


00:15:00.933 --> 00:15:03.233
AND I WAS LIKE I HAVE
NEVER HEARD THAT VERSE.

00:15:03.333 --> 00:15:04.367
AND IT WAS ALMOST LIKE


00:15:04.467 --> 00:15:06.967
I HAD NEVER KNOWN JESUS TO
BE THAT CONFRONTATIONAL.

00:15:07.067 --> 00:15:08.333
YOU JUST HAVE THIS
IMAGE OF JESUS,

00:15:08.433 --> 00:15:09.100
YEAH, WE LOVE YOU.


00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.067
BUT WHY DO YOU
CALL ME LORD

00:15:11.167 --> 00:15:12.434
AND NOT DO WHAT I SAY?


00:15:12.534 --> 00:15:14.867
AND I WAS LIKE THAT'S ME.


00:15:14.967 --> 00:15:16.067
IF SOMEBODY ASKED ME,


00:15:16.167 --> 00:15:16.900
I'D SAY I WAS A CHRISTIAN.


00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:18.067
BUT IN REALITY,


00:15:18.167 --> 00:15:19.100
I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED


00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:20.934
ABOUT WHAT JESUS HAS
TO SAY ABOUT MY LIFE.

00:15:21.034 --> 00:15:22.833
AND SO THAT KIND OF
SET ME ON THIS PATH

00:15:22.933 --> 00:15:23.867
OF LIKE I WANT
TO FIND OUT

00:15:23.967 --> 00:15:25.433
IF THIS THING IS
REALLY TRUE OR NOT.

00:15:25.533 --> 00:15:26.200
REBECCA: YOU
HAD THAT HUNGER.

00:15:26.300 --> 00:15:27.266
JONATHAN: YES.


00:15:27.366 --> 00:15:30.134
SO I STARTED DEVOURING
CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS.

00:15:30.234 --> 00:15:32.133
FRANK TUREK, JOHN LENNOX,


00:15:32.233 --> 00:15:34.433
WILLIAM LANE CRAIG,
RAVI ZACHARIAS.

00:15:34.533 --> 00:15:36.000
I'M LIKE DEVOURING THIS.


00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:37.100
I'M ALL OVER THE PLACE.


00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:38.900
AND IT GOT ME LIKE
RIGHT TO THE EDGE

00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:39.800
OF LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:15:39.900 --> 00:15:41.234
I DO THINK THERE IS A GOD.


00:15:41.334 --> 00:15:42.667
BUT IT DIDN'T
MAKE ME JUMP.

00:15:42.767 --> 00:15:45.300
I DIDN'T TAKE THE
LEAP OF FAITH YET.

00:15:45.400 --> 00:15:46.900
SO ONE NIGHT,


00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.400
I'M GOING TO THE MOVIES


00:15:48.500 --> 00:15:50.234
WITH AN OLD
TRAINER OF MINE.

00:15:50.334 --> 00:15:51.067
WE GO TO THE MOVIES,


00:15:51.167 --> 00:15:52.734
AND WE GO SEE A
CHRISTIAN MOVIE.

00:15:52.834 --> 00:15:54.400
THE MOVIE IS AWFUL.


00:15:54.500 --> 00:15:55.800
WE ARE WATCHING AND
I'M LIKE WHAT IS THIS?

00:15:55.900 --> 00:15:56.833
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:15:56.933 --> 00:15:58.433
JONATHAN: AND SO WE GO,


00:15:58.533 --> 00:15:59.967
AND WE MOVIE HOP TO<i>THOR</i> .


00:16:00.067 --> 00:16:01.167
AND SO WE'RE AT THE
MOVIE THEATER FOR

00:16:01.267 --> 00:16:04.266
LIKE FOUR HOURS, TOTALLY.


00:16:04.366 --> 00:16:05.900
WE LEAVE THE MOVIE THEATER
AND HE SAYS TO ME,

00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.200
WHERE ARE YOU AT WITH GOD?


00:16:07.300 --> 00:16:07.800
AND I TELL HIM,


00:16:07.900 --> 00:16:08.366
LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT?


00:16:08.466 --> 00:16:09.300
I'M READING A LOT.


00:16:09.400 --> 00:16:11.300
I'M WATCHING A LOT OF
VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE

00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:12.233
OF CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS.


00:16:12.333 --> 00:16:12.700
BUT AT THE SAME TIME,


00:16:12.800 --> 00:16:13.600
I DON'T KNOW.


00:16:13.700 --> 00:16:15.500
AND HE SAID IF YOU
KEEP KNOCKING,

00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:16.600
YOU KEEP ASKING
QUESTIONS,

00:16:16.700 --> 00:16:18.633
YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT THE
DOOR IS GONNA BE OPEN.

00:16:18.733 --> 00:16:19.366
AND SO THAT NIGHT,


00:16:19.466 --> 00:16:20.334
WE LEAVE THE
MOVIE THEATER,

00:16:20.434 --> 00:16:22.300
AND I'M ABOUT TO TURN
ON TO THE STREET.

00:16:22.400 --> 00:16:23.734
I'M ABOUT TO MAKE
A RIGHT TURN.

00:16:23.834 --> 00:16:24.967
AND THERE'S A CAR
THAT'S MAKING A LEFT ON

00:16:25.067 --> 00:16:25.600
TO THE STREET


00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:27.067
THAT I'M TURNING OFF OF.


00:16:27.167 --> 00:16:29.367
AND OUR CARS JUST MEET
PERFECTLY WHERE I CAN SEE

00:16:29.467 --> 00:16:30.100
THROUGH HIS WINDOW,


00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:31.266
HE CAN SEE
THROUGH MINE.

00:16:31.366 --> 00:16:33.600
AND IT'S THE GUY
FROM THE ELEVATOR.

00:16:33.700 --> 00:16:35.400
AND WE BOTH ROLL
DOWN THE WINDOW.

00:16:35.500 --> 00:16:37.000
AND I'M LIKE WHAT
IN THE WORLD?

00:16:37.100 --> 00:16:38.933
I'M LIKE GOD WANTS
THIS GUY IN MY LIFE.

00:16:39.033 --> 00:16:41.267
THE CONVERSATION THAT I
HAD WITH THE GUY

00:16:41.367 --> 00:16:42.067
FROM THE MOVIE


00:16:42.167 --> 00:16:43.100
THAT WAS SO
FRESH IN MY MIND.

00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.033
AND I SAID, LOOK, YOU
AND ME,

00:16:44.133 --> 00:16:46.000
LET'S GO TO BREAKFAST
TOMORROW MORNING.

00:16:46.100 --> 00:16:47.567
OKAY, WE GO TO BREAKFAST.


00:16:47.667 --> 00:16:49.100
AND I'M TELLING HIM THAT


00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:50.467
I WAS READING THE BIBLE.


00:16:50.567 --> 00:16:52.033
AND I HAD THIS IDEA ABOUT


00:16:52.133 --> 00:16:53.300
YOU KNOW WHATEVER YOU DO
FOR THE LEAST OF THESE

00:16:53.400 --> 00:16:54.400
YOU DO FOR ME.


00:16:54.500 --> 00:16:56.033
SO I'M GONNA BUY SOME
HAMBURGERS AND HOT DOGS

00:16:56.133 --> 00:16:57.266
AND PASS IT OUT
TO THE HOMELESS.

00:16:57.366 --> 00:16:58.800
IT WAS AROUND
THANKSGIVING TIME.

00:16:58.900 --> 00:16:59.466
AND HE SAYS TO ME,


00:16:59.566 --> 00:17:00.666
YOU CAN'T DO THAT.


00:17:00.766 --> 00:17:01.500
IF YOU'RE GONNA
FEED PEOPLE,

00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.600
YOU HAVE TO FEED
PEOPLE RIGHT.

00:17:03.700 --> 00:17:04.966
AND HE SAYS IF
YOU BUY THE FOOD,

00:17:05.066 --> 00:17:06.134
I'LL HAVE MY
PEOPLE COOK IT,

00:17:06.234 --> 00:17:07.266
AND WE'LL DO IT.


00:17:07.366 --> 00:17:10.366
AND SO I'M FOLLOWING
HIM TO SAM'S CLUB.

00:17:10.466 --> 00:17:12.034
AND I'M SAYING TO
MYSELF THE WHOLE TIME,

00:17:12.134 --> 00:17:13.234
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?


00:17:13.334 --> 00:17:14.600
YOU HAVE NO IDEA
WHO THIS GUY IS.

00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:16.034
WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING
HIM TO SAM'S CLUB?

00:17:16.134 --> 00:17:18.133
BUT I SAID INSIDE
OF MYSELF,

00:17:18.233 --> 00:17:20.267
SOMETHING ABOUT
THIS FEELS RIGHT.

00:17:20.367 --> 00:17:21.067
I GO TO SAM'S CLUB,


00:17:21.167 --> 00:17:22.100
I BUY THE FOOD.


00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.033
SOME PEOPLE COME AND
PICK IT I'M LIKE, WATCH,

00:17:24.133 --> 00:17:25.400
I'M NEVER GONNA
SEE THIS GUY AGAIN.

00:17:25.500 --> 00:17:26.433
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:17:26.533 --> 00:17:27.834
JONATHAN: I JUST FED
HIS FAMILY FOR A YEAR.

00:17:27.934 --> 00:17:29.700
AND HE TEXTED
ME AN ADDRESS

00:17:29.800 --> 00:17:30.866
A FEW DAYS LATER.


00:17:30.966 --> 00:17:34.100
I GO AND THERE'S A LINE
OF 200 HOMELESS PEOPLE,

00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.267
AND PEOPLE THAT JUST NEED
FOOD AND ARE HUNGRY.

00:17:36.367 --> 00:17:37.100
I GET IN LINE.


00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:38.400
I PUT MY HAIR NET ON.


00:17:38.500 --> 00:17:40.500
THERE'S A YOUNG LADY
TO MY LEFT WHO'S

00:17:40.600 --> 00:17:41.767
MY WIFE TODAY


00:17:41.867 --> 00:17:44.033
THAT I MET FOR THE FIRST
TIME, RIGHT THERE.

00:17:44.133 --> 00:17:46.200
AND I START
FEEDING THE PEOPLE.

00:17:46.300 --> 00:17:49.034
AND YOU -- KNOWING NOW
ABOUT MY BACKGROUND,

00:17:49.134 --> 00:17:50.934
OF LIKE WORKING FOR LOVE,


00:17:51.034 --> 00:17:51.733
IT WAS THE WEIRDEST THING.


00:17:51.833 --> 00:17:53.600
I WAS SAYING TO
MYSELF LIKE,

00:17:53.700 --> 00:17:55.134
LIKE GOD SEES ME.


00:17:55.234 --> 00:17:58.300
LIKE SOMETHING ABOUT
THIS IS WORKING.

00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:59.967
AND I WAS INJURED
AT THE TIME.

00:18:00.067 --> 00:18:02.100
THEY TOOK ME INSIDE OF
WHAT LOOKED LIKE A CHURCH.

00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.667
AND HE STARTS
PRAYING OVER ME.

00:18:04.767 --> 00:18:06.366
THE PEOPLE THERE START
PRAYING OVER ME.

00:18:06.466 --> 00:18:07.866
AND IT WAS JUST
SO SINCERE.

00:18:07.966 --> 00:18:10.566
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I
HADN'T EXPERIENCED BEFORE.

00:18:10.666 --> 00:18:11.700
AND I WENT HOME
THAT NIGHT,

00:18:11.800 --> 00:18:15.267
AND I REMEMBERED THE KIND
OF YOUTH GROUP PRAYER,

00:18:15.367 --> 00:18:16.267
JESUS, COME INTO MY HEART,


00:18:16.367 --> 00:18:17.367
BE LORD OF MY LIFE.


00:18:17.467 --> 00:18:18.500
AND I GOT DOWN ON THE SIDE
OF MY BED FOR

00:18:18.600 --> 00:18:19.366
THE FIRST TIME


00:18:19.466 --> 00:18:21.034
THAT I HAD FROM
BEING IN ORLANDO,

00:18:21.134 --> 00:18:22.367
AND I WAS LIKE IT'S REAL.


00:18:22.467 --> 00:18:23.900
AND IT WAS THE THING
OF LIKE FEELING

00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:24.967
LIKE GOD LOVED ME.


00:18:25.067 --> 00:18:26.934
I FELT LIKE GOD
LOVED ME FOR ME.

00:18:27.034 --> 00:18:29.800
AND AS I STARTED TO
JUST GET PLUGGED IN,

00:18:29.900 --> 00:18:31.034
HOW I FOUND OUT
HE WAS A PASTOR

00:18:31.134 --> 00:18:32.700
WAS BECAUSE A
FEW DAYS LATER,

00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:34.000
HE INVITED ME TO CHURCH.


00:18:34.100 --> 00:18:35.234
AND I LITERALLY
SAID TO HIM, LOOK,

00:18:35.334 --> 00:18:36.366
IF YOU'RE COOL,


00:18:36.466 --> 00:18:38.167
YOUR PASTOR
HAS TO BE COOL.

00:18:38.267 --> 00:18:39.133
I GO TO THE CHURCH,


00:18:39.233 --> 00:18:40.467
THEY INTRODUCE THE
PASTOR AND IT'S HIM.

00:18:40.567 --> 00:18:41.266
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.


00:18:41.366 --> 00:18:42.033
WERE YOU SHOCKED?


00:18:42.133 --> 00:18:43.334
JONATHAN: I
WAS SO SHOCKED.

00:18:43.434 --> 00:18:44.700
REBECCA: YOU WERE LIKE
YOU'RE THE PASTOR?

00:18:44.800 --> 00:18:46.167
JONATHAN: I
WAS SO SHOCKED.

00:18:46.267 --> 00:18:47.034
BUT TO THIS DAY,


00:18:47.134 --> 00:18:48.134
WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT IT


00:18:48.234 --> 00:18:49.367
OR RETHINK IT,


00:18:49.467 --> 00:18:51.434
I SAY I'M SO GLAD
YOU DIDN'T TELL ME.

00:18:51.534 --> 00:18:52.334
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:18:52.434 --> 00:18:53.267
JONATHAN: BECAUSE
IF HE HAD TOLD ME,

00:18:53.367 --> 00:18:54.500
I WOULD HAVE, I WAS
ALREADY RUNNING

00:18:54.600 --> 00:18:55.300
IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.


00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:57.033
I WOULD HAVE RAN
TEN TIMES HARDER

00:18:57.133 --> 00:18:57.833
IN THE OTHER DIRECTION


00:18:57.933 --> 00:18:58.733
IF I KNEW RIGHT
OFF THE BAT

00:18:58.833 --> 00:19:00.167
THAT HE WAS A PASTOR.


00:19:00.267 --> 00:19:01.534
REBECCA: WHAT'S SUCH A
BEAUTIFUL COMPONENT

00:19:01.634 --> 00:19:02.467
OF THAT STORY


00:19:02.567 --> 00:19:03.967
WAS YOU EXPERIENCED
THE LOVE OF GOD

00:19:04.067 --> 00:19:05.967
THROUGH THE BODY
OF HIS BELIEVERS.

00:19:06.067 --> 00:19:08.134
AND IT OPENED THE
DOOR IN YOUR HEART

00:19:08.234 --> 00:19:10.300
TO ENCOUNTER GOD
YOURSELF PERSONALLY.

00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.433
AND YOU HAD THAT
SURRENDER MOMENT

00:19:12.533 --> 00:19:13.367
ON THE SIDE OF YOUR BED


00:19:13.467 --> 00:19:14.266
WHERE FOR THE FIRST TIME


00:19:14.366 --> 00:19:16.233
KNOWING GOD OF HIM
YOUR WHOLE LIFE,

00:19:16.333 --> 00:19:18.167
WERE YOU SURRENDERED AND
YOU BEGAN TO KNOW GOD

00:19:18.267 --> 00:19:20.100
FOR YOURSELF PERSONALLY.


00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:20.833
JONATHAN: THAT'S
BEAUTIFULLY SAID,

00:19:20.933 --> 00:19:21.733
BY THE WAY.


00:19:21.833 --> 00:19:22.500
REBECCA: OH, THANK YOU.


00:19:22.600 --> 00:19:23.366
JONATHAN: THAT
WAS AMAZING.

00:19:23.466 --> 00:19:24.966
REBECCA: AND YOU
BEGAN THAT PROCESS

00:19:25.066 --> 00:19:26.734
OF BEING PLANTED
IN A CHURCH

00:19:26.834 --> 00:19:28.033
AND BEING DISCIPLED


00:19:28.133 --> 00:19:30.100
AND THAT'S WHERE GOD BEGAN
TO EXERCISE THAT MUSCLE IN YOU.

00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.267
OKAY, THIS IS THE WAY
YOU USED TO THINK,

00:19:32.367 --> 00:19:34.134
NOW I'M GONNA TEACH
YOU HOW I THINK,

00:19:34.234 --> 00:19:35.133
HOW I SEE YOU.


00:19:35.233 --> 00:19:36.700
AND HE BEGAN TO
EXERCISE IN YOU, OKAY,

00:19:36.800 --> 00:19:37.900
I'M GONNA START
TO TEACH YOU

00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:39.567
HOW TO STAND UP FOR TRUTH,


00:19:39.667 --> 00:19:40.600
HOW DO YOU
CONFRONT THINGS.

00:19:40.700 --> 00:19:41.566
I WANT TO KNOW,


00:19:41.666 --> 00:19:43.800
HOW DID IT GO WITH
PREACHING THAT WORD

00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:45.633
IN FRONT OF
YOUR TEAMMATES?

00:19:45.733 --> 00:19:47.000
JONATHAN: SO NONE
OF THEM CAME.

00:19:47.100 --> 00:19:48.066
REBECCA: WHAT?


00:19:48.166 --> 00:19:49.100
JONATHAN: SO NONE
OF THEM CAME.

00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.866
REBECCA: WHICH PLAYS
BACK INTO THE REJECTION.

00:19:51.966 --> 00:19:53.800
AND YOU COULD HAVE
LET THAT GET TO YOU

00:19:53.900 --> 00:19:54.634
IN THAT MOMENT.


00:19:54.734 --> 00:19:55.634
JONATHAN: YES.


00:19:55.734 --> 00:19:58.366
AND WHAT WAS SO,
WHAT WAS SO CRAZY ABOUT IT

00:19:58.466 --> 00:20:00.434
WAS BECAUSE IT WASN'T ABOUT
IT IF THEY CAME OR NOT.

00:20:00.534 --> 00:20:01.767
IT WAS THE FACT THAT


00:20:01.867 --> 00:20:02.867
I HAD MUSTERED
UP THE COURAGE

00:20:02.967 --> 00:20:05.134
TO GO TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY
AND TELL THEM

00:20:05.234 --> 00:20:06.433
AND INVITE THEM


00:20:06.533 --> 00:20:07.567
THAT I WAS GONNA PREACH.


00:20:07.667 --> 00:20:08.934
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I
WOULD HAD NEVER DONE

00:20:09.034 --> 00:20:10.267
IN A MILLION YEARS.


00:20:10.367 --> 00:20:13.167
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE
FIRST FOUNDATIONAL STEP.

00:20:13.267 --> 00:20:16.267
AND THERE'S A BUNCH MORE.


00:20:16.367 --> 00:20:18.300
THERE'S A STORY
THAT'S IN THE BOOK

00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.433
THAT I WAS A ROOKIE.


00:20:20.533 --> 00:20:22.900
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
THEY HAVE IN THE NBA IS,

00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:24.667
IT'S REALLY JUST
SPORTS IN GENERAL.

00:20:24.767 --> 00:20:25.500
IF YOU'RE A NEW GUY,


00:20:25.600 --> 00:20:26.666
YOU GET HAZED.


00:20:26.766 --> 00:20:29.000
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE
OLDER GUYS, THE VETS,

00:20:29.100 --> 00:20:30.634
THEY TELL YOU WHAT TO DO,


00:20:30.734 --> 00:20:31.367
WHEN TO DO IT,


00:20:31.467 --> 00:20:32.600
YOU GOT TO GO GET FOOD.


00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:34.400
WELL, ONE OF MY JOBS


00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:36.066
AS A ROOKIE WAS


00:20:36.166 --> 00:20:38.766
I WOULD GO AND
GET CONDOMS.

00:20:38.866 --> 00:20:40.400
REBECCA: OH, GOSH.


00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:41.733
JONATHAN: I'M TELLING YOU.


00:20:41.833 --> 00:20:43.234
REBECCA: THIS IS THE
WORLD YOU WERE IN.

00:20:43.334 --> 00:20:43.734
JONATHAN: YES.


00:20:43.834 --> 00:20:44.334
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:20:44.434 --> 00:20:45.367
IT NEEDS TO BE SAID.


00:20:45.467 --> 00:20:48.334
JONATHAN: YES, SO I WOULD
GET A TEXT MESSAGE,

00:20:48.434 --> 00:20:50.500
GO GRAB THEM FROM
THE GAS STATION.

00:20:50.600 --> 00:20:51.534
DROP THEM OFF.


00:20:51.634 --> 00:20:53.200
AND AT THE TIME,


00:20:53.300 --> 00:20:54.467
I DIDN'T THINK
ANYTHING OF IT.

00:20:54.567 --> 00:20:55.633
I'M IN THE NBA.


00:20:55.733 --> 00:20:56.867
WHO CARES?


00:20:56.967 --> 00:20:58.367
AS I STARTED TO GROW,


00:20:58.467 --> 00:21:00.366
I GOT MORE AND MORE
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.

00:21:00.466 --> 00:21:01.934
AND I HAD WENT
TO MY PASTOR

00:21:02.034 --> 00:21:04.100
AND HE WAS LIKE, WHAT
DO YOU WANT TO DO?

00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:05.467
AND I SAID, LOOK, I DON'T
WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.

00:21:05.567 --> 00:21:06.267
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:21:06.367 --> 00:21:06.900
JONATHAN: AND
HE SAID, WELL,

00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:07.534
YOU NEED TO GO TO HIM,


00:21:07.634 --> 00:21:08.500
FACE TO FACE,


00:21:08.600 --> 00:21:10.467
MAN TO MAN AND
LET HIM KNOW.

00:21:10.567 --> 00:21:11.500
AND I WAS LIKE, HUH?


00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:13.466
[ LAUGHTER ]


00:21:13.566 --> 00:21:14.467
REBECCA: EXERCISING
THAT MUSCLE.

00:21:14.567 --> 00:21:15.000
JONATHAN: I'M A ROOKIE.


00:21:15.100 --> 00:21:15.667
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:21:15.767 --> 00:21:16.267
JONATHAN: I'M A ROOKIE.


00:21:16.367 --> 00:21:17.233
AND THIS IS SOMEBODY


00:21:17.333 --> 00:21:18.300
WHO'S BEEN ESTABLISHED


00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:19.800
AND PLAYING AND
ALL THIS STUFF.

00:21:19.900 --> 00:21:22.234
SO FINALLY, WE GO ON
OUR NEXT ROAD TRIP.

00:21:22.334 --> 00:21:23.233
AND I TEXT HIM,


00:21:23.333 --> 00:21:25.933
HEY, COOL IF I TALK
TO YOU REAL QUICK?

00:21:26.033 --> 00:21:27.167
AS SOON AS THE
BUBBLES POP UP,

00:21:27.267 --> 00:21:28.766
LIKE MY HEART DROPS.


00:21:28.866 --> 00:21:30.034
HE IS RESPONDING.


00:21:30.134 --> 00:21:31.467
SO HE RESPONDS,


00:21:31.567 --> 00:21:33.200
AND I GO TO HIM.


00:21:33.300 --> 00:21:35.067
AND THE FIRST
THING I SAID WAS, MAN,

00:21:35.167 --> 00:21:36.700
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW,


00:21:36.800 --> 00:21:38.333
THIS HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH YOU.

00:21:38.433 --> 00:21:40.867
I'VE BEEN TRYING MY BEST
TO DO RIGHT BY GOD LATELY.

00:21:40.967 --> 00:21:42.000
AND BECAUSE OF THAT,


00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:43.600
YOU KNOW, I CAN'T
DO THIS NO MORE.

00:21:43.700 --> 00:21:46.233
AND HE WAS JUST LIKE,


00:21:46.333 --> 00:21:47.033
JUST BROKE OUT LAUGHING.


00:21:47.133 --> 00:21:48.234
MAN, DON'T EVEN
WORRY ABOUT.

00:21:48.334 --> 00:21:49.033
DON'T EVEN TRIP.


00:21:49.133 --> 00:21:49.566
BUT I WAS --


00:21:49.666 --> 00:21:51.334
I MADE SURE TO SAY


00:21:51.434 --> 00:21:52.600
I DON'T THINK I'M
BETTER THAN YOU.

00:21:52.700 --> 00:21:54.700
I'M NOT JUDGING YOU.


00:21:54.800 --> 00:21:56.200
THIS IS ABOUT ME
AND WHERE I'M AT

00:21:56.300 --> 00:21:57.800
AND WANT TO DO
RIGHT BY GOD

00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:58.767
AND THAT WAS IT.


00:21:58.867 --> 00:21:59.700
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:21:59.800 --> 00:22:01.800
AND I'M JUST
THINKING BACK TO,

00:22:01.900 --> 00:22:02.933
DO YOU THINK YOU WERE,


00:22:03.033 --> 00:22:04.100
BEFORE I GET INTO THAT,


00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.367
DO YOU THINK YOUR TEAMMATES
RESPECTED YOU ACTUALLY

00:22:07.467 --> 00:22:08.866
FOR BEING CONSISTENT?


00:22:08.966 --> 00:22:09.734
JONATHAN: ONE
THOUSAND PERCENT.

00:22:09.834 --> 00:22:10.533
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:22:10.633 --> 00:22:11.567
JONATHAN: A
THOUSAND PERCENT.

00:22:11.667 --> 00:22:13.133
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD,
THEY WOULD JOKE ON ME.

00:22:13.233 --> 00:22:16.433
LIKE MY NICKNAME
WAS BABY JESUS.

00:22:16.533 --> 00:22:19.633
BUT WHEN THE RUBBER,
YOU KNOW, HIT THE ROAD

00:22:19.733 --> 00:22:20.567
IN A LOT OF INSTANCES,


00:22:20.667 --> 00:22:22.166
I HAD, YOU KNOW,
ONE OF TEAMMATES

00:22:22.266 --> 00:22:24.634
THAT WOULD OFTEN
CALL ME BABY JESUS

00:22:24.734 --> 00:22:25.966
JUST AS A JOKE.


00:22:26.066 --> 00:22:27.633
THERE WAS ONE, YOU
KNOW, ONE SITUATION

00:22:27.733 --> 00:22:31.567
WHERE HIS SOMEBODY,
HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER

00:22:31.667 --> 00:22:34.400
WENT THROUGH A
DEATH IN THE FAMILY.

00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.533
AND I WAS THE TEAMMATE
THAT HE CALLED TO PRAY

00:22:37.633 --> 00:22:39.367
FOR THE SITUATION AND HIS
SIGNIFICANT OTHER.

00:22:39.467 --> 00:22:41.667
SO JUST STUFF LIKE THAT


00:22:41.767 --> 00:22:45.133
BRINGS THE REALITY
IN THE SITUATION THAT,

00:22:45.233 --> 00:22:46.200
OH, YEAH, WE JOKE.


00:22:46.300 --> 00:22:48.167
WE MESS AROUND.


00:22:48.267 --> 00:22:49.133
BUT WHEN THE RUBBER
MEETS THE ROAD

00:22:49.233 --> 00:22:50.267
AND SOMEBODY NEEDS HELP,


00:22:50.367 --> 00:22:51.334
THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO.


00:22:51.434 --> 00:22:52.466
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:22:52.566 --> 00:22:53.767
AND GOD WAS
ABLE TO USE YOU

00:22:53.867 --> 00:22:55.567
TO HELP MINISTER
TO YOUR TEAM.

00:22:55.667 --> 00:22:57.034
WHEN I HEARD YOUR STORY,


00:22:57.134 --> 00:22:58.534
IT REMINDED ME


00:22:58.634 --> 00:23:00.333
OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE
IN THE BIBLE.

00:23:00.433 --> 00:23:02.167
NOT ONLY THE
LIFE OF FAITH,

00:23:02.267 --> 00:23:03.533
YOU KNOW, BUT
FROM THAT MOMENT

00:23:03.633 --> 00:23:05.167
OF MEETING YOUR PASTOR,


00:23:05.267 --> 00:23:07.900
AND, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT
EVENT TO FEED THE HOMELESS.

00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.000
GOING TO THE CHURCH,


00:23:09.100 --> 00:23:10.100
YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT
FIRST OF STEP OF FAITH,

00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.334
WHICH SEEMS KIND OF LIKE
AN INTERESTING SITUATION,

00:23:12.434 --> 00:23:13.434
BUT SEEING THE
OUTCOME OF THAT.

00:23:13.534 --> 00:23:15.800
BUT ALSO YOUR
STORY REMINDS ME

00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:17.733
OF PEOPLE IN THE
BIBLE WHO STOOD.

00:23:17.833 --> 00:23:20.200
I THINK ABOUT LIKE SHADRACH,
MESHACH, AND ABEDNEGO

00:23:20.300 --> 00:23:22.833
WHO WERE LIVING IN AN
EVIL LAND IN BABYLON.

00:23:22.933 --> 00:23:24.567
AND EVERYONE
ELSE WAS BOWING,

00:23:24.667 --> 00:23:26.300
AND THERE WAS
PRESSURE TO BOW.

00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:27.333
BUT THEY STOOD FIRM


00:23:27.433 --> 00:23:28.833
KNOWING IT
WOULD COST THEM.

00:23:28.933 --> 00:23:30.266
AND I THINK ABOUT ELIJAH


00:23:30.366 --> 00:23:32.367
WHEN ANOTHER TIME
OF DECEPTION,

00:23:32.467 --> 00:23:35.100
WHERE JEZEBEL WAS
RULING ALONG WITH AHAB.

00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:36.600
AND THEY WERE TRYING
TO TURN THE NATION

00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:38.034
OF ISRAEL AGAINST GOD.


00:23:38.134 --> 00:23:40.133
AND ELIJAH
CONFRONTED JEZEBEL

00:23:40.233 --> 00:23:41.400
INSTEAD OF RUNNING
AWAY FROM HER.

00:23:41.500 --> 00:23:43.067
AND THERE'S THAT
POWERFUL MOMENT

00:23:43.167 --> 00:23:45.467
WHERE GOD BURNS
UP THE OFFERING.

00:23:45.567 --> 00:23:46.966
WHEN THE PRIEST OF
BAAL COULD DO NOTHING

00:23:47.066 --> 00:23:48.733
AND GOD SHOWS
HIMSELF FAITHFUL.

00:23:48.833 --> 00:23:50.067
BUT THERE IS
STILL THAT MOMENT,

00:23:50.167 --> 00:23:51.400
JUST LIKE HE SHOWED
HIMSELF FAITHFUL TO

00:23:51.500 --> 00:23:53.000
SHADRACH, MESHACH,
AND ABEDNEGO.

00:23:53.100 --> 00:23:55.000
HE SHOWED HIMSELF
FAITHFUL TO ELIJAH

00:23:55.100 --> 00:23:56.167
AND HE SUSTAINED THEM.


00:23:56.267 --> 00:23:57.767
BUT THERE WAS THAT
MOMENT BEFOREHAND,

00:23:57.867 --> 00:23:59.134
WHERE THEY WERE
GONNA HAVE TO STAND,

00:23:59.234 --> 00:24:01.566
AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
THE OUTCOME WAS GOING TO BE.

00:24:01.666 --> 00:24:03.534
AND SO AS YOU WERE BEING
FORTIFIED IN THIS SEASON

00:24:03.634 --> 00:24:04.167
OF YOUR LIFE,


00:24:04.267 --> 00:24:05.134
BEING IN YOUR COMMUNITY,


00:24:05.234 --> 00:24:05.733
IN YOUR CHURCH,


00:24:05.833 --> 00:24:07.200
MENTORED BY YOUR PASTOR,


00:24:07.300 --> 00:24:08.500
THE MOMENT WAS COMING


00:24:08.600 --> 00:24:10.800
WHICH GOD KNEW AND HE
WAS PREPARING YOU FOR

00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:11.767
TO STAND FIRM.


00:24:11.867 --> 00:24:13.300
I WANT YOU TO TAKE
US TO THAT MOMENT

00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:15.500
AND DESCRIBE TO
US WHAT HAPPENED.

00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:18.967
JONATHAN: YEAH, IT'S, NOW EVEN,
THINGS HAVE DIED DOWN

00:24:19.067 --> 00:24:20.500
AND STUFF ISN'T AS CRAZY.


00:24:20.600 --> 00:24:23.033
AND SO BUT WHEN I
THINK BACK ABOUT

00:24:23.133 --> 00:24:26.700
JUST HOW CRAZY
THE TIMES WERE,

00:24:26.800 --> 00:24:28.534
ESPECIALLY AROUND
THIS SUBJECT,

00:24:28.634 --> 00:24:30.300
THIS TOPIC, WHAT HAPPENED


00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.567
IT TRULY WAS INSANE.


00:24:32.667 --> 00:24:33.600
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:24:33.700 --> 00:24:34.933
JONATHAN: YOU KNOW,
EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE

00:24:35.033 --> 00:24:37.134
TRAGIC DEATH OF
GEORGE FLOYD

00:24:37.234 --> 00:24:38.333
AND EVERYTHING THAT
HAPPENED WITH THAT.

00:24:38.433 --> 00:24:40.200
BUT WHAT CAME OUT OF IT,


00:24:40.300 --> 00:24:41.567
YOU KNOW, THE BLACK
LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT,

00:24:41.667 --> 00:24:44.067
THE ORGANIZATION, JUST
WHAT WAS HAPPENING

00:24:44.167 --> 00:24:47.067
AT THE TIME WAS


00:24:47.167 --> 00:24:48.167
FOR A LONG TIME


00:24:48.267 --> 00:24:50.333
IT HADN'T THAT BEEN THAT
WAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

00:24:50.433 --> 00:24:52.633
AND SO BEING IN THE NBA,


00:24:52.733 --> 00:24:54.867
WE FOUND OURSELVES
IN THE NBA BUBBLE,

00:24:54.967 --> 00:24:56.634
WHICH WAS
BECAUSE OF COVID

00:24:56.734 --> 00:24:57.733
AND THINGS WERE
GETTING SHUT DOWN,

00:24:57.833 --> 00:24:59.967
THEY BROUGHT THE FINAL
PLAYOFFS INTO, YOU KNOW,

00:25:00.067 --> 00:25:00.900
A BUBBLE WITH NO FANS,


00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:02.033
JUST TEAMS.


00:25:02.133 --> 00:25:03.433
AND DURING THAT TIME,


00:25:03.533 --> 00:25:05.733
TEAMS STARTED KNEELING FOR
THE NATIONAL ANTHEM AND

00:25:05.833 --> 00:25:08.233
WEARING A BLACK LIVES
MATTER T-SHIRT.

00:25:08.333 --> 00:25:09.633
AND SO I HAVE
FOUND MYSELF

00:25:09.733 --> 00:25:11.367
IN THIS MOMENT OF


00:25:11.467 --> 00:25:12.867
HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT
THE SITUATION?

00:25:12.967 --> 00:25:14.367
WHAT AM I GONNA DO?


00:25:14.467 --> 00:25:16.566
AND FOR ME, IT
WENT BACK TO ONE,

00:25:16.666 --> 00:25:17.967
BEFORE WE HAD WENT
INTO THE BUBBLE,

00:25:18.067 --> 00:25:19.034
MY PASTOR WAS PREACHING


00:25:19.134 --> 00:25:20.200
AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT
WAS GOING ALONG WITH

00:25:20.300 --> 00:25:21.733
THE TIMES THAT WE WERE IN.


00:25:21.833 --> 00:25:23.300
AND IT WAS WHEN JESUS WAS
GONNA GET CAPTURED

00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.400
BY THE ROMAN GUARD


00:25:24.500 --> 00:25:27.033
AND HOW PETER JUMPS
IN FRONT OF HIM,

00:25:27.133 --> 00:25:28.500
AND CUTS OFF
THE GUY'S EAR

00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:29.700
AND JESUS HEALS IT.


00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:30.767
AND HE SAYS,


00:25:30.867 --> 00:25:31.400
IF YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD,


00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:32.633
YOU'LL DIE THE SWORD.


00:25:32.733 --> 00:25:34.400
AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF,


00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:36.934
IF THIS DOES COME TO ME
HAVING TO SAY SOMETHING

00:25:37.034 --> 00:25:37.934
OR DO SOMETHING,


00:25:38.034 --> 00:25:40.034
I WANT TO OFFER THE
PERSPECTIVE OF LOVE.

00:25:40.134 --> 00:25:41.500
I WANT TO OFFER A
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE

00:25:41.600 --> 00:25:44.166
THAN WHAT EVERYBODY
ELSE IS SPEWING.

00:25:44.266 --> 00:25:44.900
IF IT'S DIVISION,


00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:45.966
IF IT'S HATE,


00:25:46.066 --> 00:25:48.800
I WANT TO OFFER ONE FROM
A BIBLICAL STANDPOINT,

00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.033
A GOSPEL STANDPOINT.


00:25:50.133 --> 00:25:51.933
AND SO WE FIND OURSELVES
IN THE BUBBLE.

00:25:52.033 --> 00:25:53.800
AND WE'RE HAVING
A TEAM MEETING.

00:25:53.900 --> 00:25:55.800
AND ALL THE OFFICIALS
OF THE TEAM LEAVE,

00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:57.066
AND IT'S JUST THE PLAYERS.


00:25:57.166 --> 00:25:57.900
AND MY TEAM IS
JUST SAYING,

00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:58.967
WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.


00:25:59.067 --> 00:26:00.633
LIKE THIS ISN'T
EVEN A CONVERSATION.

00:26:00.733 --> 00:26:01.633
EVERYBODY IS GONNA KNEEL


00:26:01.733 --> 00:26:03.100
AND WE'LL JUST
GET OVER IT.

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:04.467
AND ONE OF MY TEAMMATES
TURNS TOWARDS ME

00:26:04.567 --> 00:26:07.000
AND SAYS, JONATHAN,
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO?

00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:09.933
AND I SAID, FELLOWS,
I'M NOT GONNA KNEEL.

00:26:10.033 --> 00:26:11.667
AND I'M NOT GONNA
WEAR T-SHIRT

00:26:11.767 --> 00:26:12.967
AND JUST CHAOS ERUPTS.


00:26:13.067 --> 00:26:14.967
OH, MY GOSH, HERE WE GO.


00:26:15.067 --> 00:26:16.934
HERE WE GO, JI, WITH
THE JESUS STUFF.

00:26:17.034 --> 00:26:19.667
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?


00:26:19.767 --> 00:26:20.500
AND I JUST SAID,


00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:22.633
NO, I GOT A
DIFFERENT SOLUTION

00:26:22.733 --> 00:26:24.067
AND MY SOLUTION
IS THE GOSPEL.

00:26:24.167 --> 00:26:25.534
AND I'M GONNA STAND
UP AND SAY THAT.

00:26:25.634 --> 00:26:28.400
AND I REMEMBER TALKING TO
MY PASTOR THAT NIGHT

00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.067
ON THE PHONE,


00:26:29.167 --> 00:26:30.700
AND I WAS TELLING HIM,


00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:32.400
BECAUSE THE GAME
WAS THE NEXT DAY.

00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:33.266
AND I TOLD HIM
ON THE PHONE,

00:26:33.366 --> 00:26:34.333
LIKE I DON'T THINK
YOU UNDERSTAND

00:26:34.433 --> 00:26:35.434
HOW CRAZY THIS
IS GONNA BE.

00:26:35.534 --> 00:26:37.100
LIKE I'M GONNA BE A COON.


00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:38.567
I'M GONNA BE AN UNCLE TOM.


00:26:38.667 --> 00:26:40.467
LIKE I'M GONNA
BE A SELL OUT.

00:26:40.567 --> 00:26:42.834
I HADN'T SIGNED MY NBA
CONTRACT EXTENSION YET.

00:26:42.934 --> 00:26:44.567
I WAS UP FOR IT
IN THE SUMMER

00:26:44.667 --> 00:26:46.867
AFTER THE SEASON
WAS OVER WITH.

00:26:46.967 --> 00:26:48.534
AND SO THERE WAS THAT
FEAR OF LIKE, OKAY,

00:26:48.634 --> 00:26:50.833
IF I DO STAND,


00:26:50.933 --> 00:26:52.633
COULD I LOSE MY CAREER?


00:26:52.733 --> 00:26:54.167
COULD I, YOU KNOW, GET
TRADED OR NOT BE

00:26:54.267 --> 00:26:55.100
IN THE NBA ANYMORE?


00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.633
BECAUSE THAT
HAD HAPPENED

00:26:56.733 --> 00:26:59.233
WITH JUST PEOPLE AND
CELEBRITY WERE GETTING

00:26:59.333 --> 00:27:00.500
CANCELED AND ALL THE
DIFFERENT THINGS.

00:27:00.600 --> 00:27:01.734
AND HE SAID TO ME,


00:27:01.834 --> 00:27:03.834
JONATHAN, YOU CANNOT
STAND FOR GOD,

00:27:03.934 --> 00:27:06.100
AND GOD NOT STAND FOR YOU.


00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:07.867
AND IT WAS LIKE THAT KIND OF
LIKE THAT MIKE DROP MOMENT,

00:27:07.967 --> 00:27:08.500
AND I WAS LIKE,


00:27:08.600 --> 00:27:09.266
ALL RIGHT.


00:27:09.366 --> 00:27:10.433
I'M GONNA GO
THROUGH WITH IT.

00:27:10.533 --> 00:27:13.400
AND EVEN JUST TO SAY IT
WASN'T ABOUT NOT BELIEVING

00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:14.600
THAT BLACK LIVES MATTERED.


00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.266
OF COURSE, I BELIEVE
THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER.

00:27:16.366 --> 00:27:17.766
IT WAS JUST ABOUT


00:27:17.866 --> 00:27:19.900
IF WE COULD CHOOSE
TO LOVE EACH OTHER,

00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.533
THE WAY THAT
GOD LOVES US,

00:27:21.633 --> 00:27:22.734
WHICH IS IN SPITE
OF OUR SIN,

00:27:22.834 --> 00:27:24.133
IN SPITE OF OUR
SHORTCOMINGS,

00:27:24.233 --> 00:27:25.700
THEN WE COULD
HAVE REAL CHANGE.

00:27:25.800 --> 00:27:28.400
AND THE GOSPEL
OFFERS AN ANTIDOTE

00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:30.200
THAT IS NOT JUST
FOR RACISM,

00:27:30.300 --> 00:27:32.500
BUT FOR ALL THE THINGS
THAT PLAGUE OUR SOCIETY,

00:27:32.600 --> 00:27:33.500
THAT PLAGUE THE
HEARTS OF MEN.

00:27:33.600 --> 00:27:34.567
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
RACISM COMES FROM

00:27:34.667 --> 00:27:35.800
AT THE END OF THE DAY.


00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:37.033
IF WE COULD HEAL THAT,


00:27:37.133 --> 00:27:38.433
THEN WE COULD
HAVE REAL CHANGE.

00:27:38.533 --> 00:27:40.067
BUT THAT WAS A
CONVERSATION

00:27:40.167 --> 00:27:42.333
AND A TOPIC THAT NOT THAT
MANY PEOPLE WANTED TO HEAR.

00:27:42.433 --> 00:27:44.967
AND ALSO IT WASN'T
BEING OFFERED

00:27:45.067 --> 00:27:46.333
IN THAT REALM.


00:27:46.433 --> 00:27:48.100
AND SO I FELT THE NEED


00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.200
TO BE THE ONE TO
SHARE IT, RIGHT?

00:27:50.300 --> 00:27:53.066
IF EVERYONE IS HAVING
THE SAME PERSPECTIVE,

00:27:53.166 --> 00:27:55.167
I COULD SHARE A
DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

00:27:55.267 --> 00:27:56.600
AND IF ONE PERSON
UNDERSTANDS,

00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:58.167
IF A FEW PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND,

00:27:58.267 --> 00:28:00.767
THEN, YOU KNOW, I DID
MY JOB IN A SENSE.

00:28:00.867 --> 00:28:02.800
BUT IT WAS TERRIFYING,


00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:04.334
IT WAS SCARY.


00:28:04.434 --> 00:28:05.800
AFTER I WENT THROUGH
WITH STANDING,

00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:08.800
I GOT A TON OF NEGATIVITY, OF
COURSE, BACKLASH.

00:28:08.900 --> 00:28:09.634
BUT AT THE SAME TIME,


00:28:09.734 --> 00:28:11.467
I GOT A TON OF
ENCOURAGEMENT.

00:28:11.567 --> 00:28:14.200
MY JERSEY SOLD SECOND
HIGHEST IN THE NBA,

00:28:14.300 --> 00:28:16.900
LITERALLY LIKE
THE NEXT FEW DAYS.

00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:18.566
REBECCA: WERE YOU
EXPECTING SUPPORT AT ALL?

00:28:18.666 --> 00:28:20.567
OR WERE YOU THINKING IT WAS
GONNA BE MORE NEGATIVE?

00:28:20.667 --> 00:28:21.366
JONATHAN: I WAS
DEFINITELY THINKING

00:28:21.466 --> 00:28:22.334
IT WAS GONNA BE
MORE NEGATIVE.

00:28:22.434 --> 00:28:23.466
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:28:23.566 --> 00:28:24.500
JONATHAN: I WASN'T EVEN
THINKING ABOUT SUPPORT.

00:28:24.600 --> 00:28:25.533
REBECCA: I DON'T
THINK SO EITHER.

00:28:25.633 --> 00:28:26.600
JONATHAN: NOT EVEN A
LITTLE BIT IN MY MIND,

00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:27.734
I WAS LIKE, OH, PEOPLE
ARE GONNA UNDERSTAND.

00:28:27.834 --> 00:28:29.767
IT WAS JUST I'M
GONNA DO THIS

00:28:29.867 --> 00:28:31.267
AND JUST BE READY
FOR THE HIT.

00:28:31.367 --> 00:28:31.833
THAT'S ALL I WAS THINKING.


00:28:31.933 --> 00:28:32.500
REBECCA: EXACTLY.


00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:33.266
JONATHAN: BE READY.


00:28:33.366 --> 00:28:34.267
REBECCA: BECAUSE
THE PRESSURE

00:28:34.367 --> 00:28:36.467
HAD TO HAVE BEEN MASSIVE.


00:28:36.567 --> 00:28:39.667
BECAUSE THIS IS A MASSIVE
POWERFUL ORGANIZATION.

00:28:39.767 --> 00:28:41.533
EVERYONE GOING ONE WAY.


00:28:41.633 --> 00:28:43.366
AND HERE YOU
ARE ONE PLAYER,

00:28:43.466 --> 00:28:45.267
CONTRACT IS
STILL UP, RIGHT?

00:28:45.367 --> 00:28:46.233
SO YOU COULD HAVE
LOST EVERYTHING.

00:28:46.300 --> 00:28:47.300
THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE.


00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.967
BUT YOU WERE WILLING TO
SACRIFICE THAT TO STAND.

00:28:52.067 --> 00:28:53.767
AND I LOVE THE
REASON WHY YOU STOOD.

00:28:53.867 --> 00:28:55.167
YOU STOOD FOR THE LORD.


00:28:55.267 --> 00:28:56.066
AND YOU WERE SAYING


00:28:56.166 --> 00:28:58.000
THE SOLUTION IS
NOT FOUND IN MAN.

00:28:58.100 --> 00:28:59.400
THE SOLUTION
FOR THE WORLD

00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:01.034
IS FOUND IN THE
MAN OF JESUS.

00:29:01.134 --> 00:29:01.800
JONATHAN: AMEN.


00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:02.634
REBECCA: AND
IN FORGIVENESS

00:29:02.734 --> 00:29:03.800
AND LOVE, AND
RECONCILIATION,

00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:05.434
THE POWER OF THE GOSPEL,


00:29:05.534 --> 00:29:06.533
WHICH IS TRUE.


00:29:06.633 --> 00:29:09.534
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY
WAY ANY OF THESE ISSUES

00:29:09.634 --> 00:29:10.933
CAN BE SOLVED.


00:29:11.033 --> 00:29:12.367
TO HAVE A SOLUTION


00:29:12.467 --> 00:29:13.667
IS FOUND ONLY IN HIM.


00:29:13.767 --> 00:29:15.133
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I
THOUGHT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL,

00:29:15.233 --> 00:29:16.900
IS YOU DIDN'T MAKE
IT ABOUT POLITICS.

00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:17.933
YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT
ABOUT THIS OR THAT,

00:29:18.033 --> 00:29:19.733
YOU STOOD BECAUSE YOU
STOOD FOR THE LORD.

00:29:19.833 --> 00:29:20.800
AND IN THAT STANDING,


00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:22.667
YOU WERE POINTING TO
THE GOSPEL SAYING

00:29:22.767 --> 00:29:24.267
LOOK TOWARDS JESUS.


00:29:24.367 --> 00:29:26.100
AND I LOVE IT, WHEN YOU
DO ALL THESE INTERVIEWS,

00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.333
NO MATTER WHAT LIKE
SCENARIO I'VE SEEN YOU IN,

00:29:28.433 --> 00:29:30.100
YOU ALWAYS POINT IT
BACK TO THE LORD.

00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.266
BECAUSE THAT'S ULTIMATELY
WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.

00:29:32.366 --> 00:29:33.700
AND WHAT WAS GOING
ON AT THE TIME

00:29:33.800 --> 00:29:36.166
IS, YEAH, THERE WAS A
PHYSICAL HUMAN ELEMENT TO

00:29:36.266 --> 00:29:36.866
ALL OF THIS STUFF


00:29:36.966 --> 00:29:37.600
THAT WAS GOING ON.


00:29:37.700 --> 00:29:38.700
BUT IF YOU PUT BACK,


00:29:38.800 --> 00:29:40.100
IF YOU PULL
BACK THE VEIL,

00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.067
THERE WAS A SPIRITUAL
BATTLE GOING ON.

00:29:42.167 --> 00:29:44.134
THERE WAS A DEMONIC
AGENDA AT PLAY

00:29:44.234 --> 00:29:46.200
CLASHING AGAINST
THE LORD'S KINGDOM.

00:29:46.300 --> 00:29:47.366
AND AS BELIEVERS,


00:29:47.466 --> 00:29:49.333
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
DISCERN WITH SPIRITUAL EYES

00:29:49.433 --> 00:29:51.666
AND SEE WHAT'S GOING
ON BEHIND THE SCENES.

00:29:51.766 --> 00:29:54.167
AND KNOW WHO WE
ARE IN CHRIST,

00:29:54.267 --> 00:29:56.600
AND ACT OUT OF THAT ROLE.


00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:58.566
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
REALLY STRUCK ME

00:29:58.666 --> 00:30:00.333
AS I WAS PREPARING
FOR THIS INTERVIEW,

00:30:00.433 --> 00:30:03.367
WAS THAT I BELIEVE THERE
IS COMING BELIEVERS

00:30:03.467 --> 00:30:04.966
WHO ARE GONNA RISE UP


00:30:05.066 --> 00:30:06.967
AND LIVE OUT OF THEIR
HIGHEST IDENTITY

00:30:07.067 --> 00:30:07.934
BEING IN CHRIST.


00:30:08.034 --> 00:30:08.533
JONATHAN: AMEN.


00:30:08.633 --> 00:30:09.667
REBECCA: AND NOT LIVING,


00:30:09.767 --> 00:30:11.467
IT'S NOT THAT YOU NEGLECT YOUR
RACE, YOUR GENDER,

00:30:11.567 --> 00:30:12.466
ANY OF THESE THINGS,


00:30:12.566 --> 00:30:13.800
BUT YOU'RE SAYING,


00:30:13.900 --> 00:30:15.634
GOD AND MY IDENTITY
IN CHRIST

00:30:15.734 --> 00:30:17.934
IS WHAT WILL DECIDE
MY DECISIONS.

00:30:18.034 --> 00:30:19.800
JONATHAN: IT'S
KINGDOM OVER CULTURE.

00:30:19.900 --> 00:30:20.633
REBECCA: EXACTLY.


00:30:20.733 --> 00:30:21.733
JONATHAN: AT THE
END OF THE DAY.

00:30:21.833 --> 00:30:23.200
IT'S MY IDENTITY,
LIKE YOU SAID,

00:30:23.300 --> 00:30:26.100
AS A KINGDOM CITIZEN,


00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.167
WHITE, BLACK,
AND DIFFERENT,

00:30:27.267 --> 00:30:28.300
WE'RE ALL ONE BODY.


00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:29.400
MY IDENTITY HERE


00:30:29.500 --> 00:30:31.366
MEANS MORE THAN MY
IDENTITY ELSEWHERE.

00:30:31.466 --> 00:30:33.000
AND THAT WAS A PART
OF IT FOR ME, TOO.

00:30:33.100 --> 00:30:35.933
I KNEW THE CULTURALLY
RIGHT THING TO DO.

00:30:36.033 --> 00:30:36.866
THE CULTURALLY
RIGHT THING TO DO

00:30:36.966 --> 00:30:38.566
WAS TO STAND
WITH, YOU KNOW,

00:30:38.666 --> 00:30:39.767
BLACK BROTHERS
AND SISTERS.

00:30:39.867 --> 00:30:40.966
WHETHER WE'RE RIGHT,
WRONG AND DIFFERENT,

00:30:41.066 --> 00:30:43.233
WE'RE GONNA RIDE.


00:30:43.333 --> 00:30:46.066
BUT I WANTED IT TO BE
KINGDOM OVER CULTURE.

00:30:46.166 --> 00:30:48.200
BECAUSE THAT'S ULTIMATELY
WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

00:30:48.300 --> 00:30:49.433
REBECCA: IT'S ULTIMATELY
WHAT'S IMPORTANT.

00:30:49.533 --> 00:30:50.367
IT MAKES ME THINK
OF THIS VERSE.

00:30:50.467 --> 00:30:51.467
IT SAYS IN GALATIANS 3,


00:30:51.567 --> 00:30:53.100
THERE IS NO LONGER
JEW OR GENTILE,

00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:53.900
SLAVE OR FREE,


00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:55.034
MALE OR FEMALE;


00:30:55.134 --> 00:30:57.000
FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE
IN CHRIST JESUS,

00:30:57.100 --> 00:30:58.100
THAT YOU BELONG
TO CHRIST.

00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.500
YOU ARE THE TRUE
CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM.

00:31:00.600 --> 00:31:03.434
YOU'RE HIS HEIRS AND
GOD'S PROMISE TO ABRAHAM

00:31:03.534 --> 00:31:04.467
BELONGS TO YOU.


00:31:04.567 --> 00:31:06.966
ANOTHER THING THAT
REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME,

00:31:07.066 --> 00:31:09.500
WAS YOU HAD TO HAVE A
HEAVENLY PERSPECTIVE.

00:31:09.600 --> 00:31:10.667
AND IN HEBREWS 11,


00:31:10.767 --> 00:31:13.067
IT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE
GREAT HEROES OF THE FAITH

00:31:13.167 --> 00:31:14.067
WHO CAME BEFORE US.


00:31:14.167 --> 00:31:15.467
IT TALKS ABOUT
ABRAHAM, NOAH,

00:31:15.567 --> 00:31:17.267
ALL THESE DIFFERENT
PEOPLE, ENOCH.

00:31:17.367 --> 00:31:19.467
BUT ONE OF THE
THINGS IT SAYS

00:31:19.567 --> 00:31:23.534
IS THEY AGREED THAT THEY
WERE FOREIGNERS AND NOMADS

00:31:23.634 --> 00:31:25.400
HERE ON EARTH.


00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:27.767
THEY WERE LOOKING
FOR A BETTER PLACE,

00:31:27.867 --> 00:31:29.600
A HEAVENLY HOMELAND.


00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:32.033
THAT IS WHY GOD
IS NOT ASHAMED

00:31:32.133 --> 00:31:33.967
TO BE CALLED THEIR GOD.


00:31:34.067 --> 00:31:36.666
FOR HE HAS PREPARED
A CITY FOR THEM.

00:31:36.766 --> 00:31:37.533
FOR US BELIEVERS,


00:31:37.633 --> 00:31:39.067
WHO TAKE A STAND,


00:31:39.167 --> 00:31:41.367
AND SAY THIS WORLD
IS NOT MY HOME,

00:31:41.467 --> 00:31:43.067
I'M NOT LIVING FOR
WORLDLY APPROVAL.

00:31:43.167 --> 00:31:44.600
I'M LIVING FOR
HIS APPROVAL,

00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:45.800
TO BRING GLORY
TO HIS NAME,

00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:48.067
KNOWING THAT I'M LOOKING
TOWARDS ETERNITY,

00:31:48.167 --> 00:31:51.534
AND WHAT GOD IS GOING TO
BRING TO US ONE DAY,

00:31:51.634 --> 00:31:52.933
IN CHRIST'S RETURN,


00:31:53.033 --> 00:31:56.467
IT SAYS THAT GOD IS NOT
ASHAMED TO CALL US HIS GOD.

00:31:56.567 --> 00:31:58.167
LIKE HOW POWERFUL IS THAT?


00:31:58.267 --> 00:31:59.633
JONATHAN: I HONESTLY DON'T
THINK THERE'S ANYTHING

00:31:59.733 --> 00:32:01.100
TO ADD ON TO THAT.


00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.834
THAT WAS AMAZING.


00:32:01.934 --> 00:32:03.567
IT'S JUST THE TRUTH.


00:32:03.667 --> 00:32:05.300
WE CAN BE A REFLECTION.


00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.167
WE SHOULD BE A REFLECTION
OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD

00:32:08.267 --> 00:32:09.000
TO THE WORLD.


00:32:09.100 --> 00:32:11.667
AND SO WHILE
EVERYONE IS ARGUING

00:32:11.767 --> 00:32:13.333
OVER TRIBAL OFFENSES,


00:32:13.433 --> 00:32:14.367
AND CULTURAL OFFENSES,


00:32:14.467 --> 00:32:15.334
WELL, YOU DID ME WRONG.


00:32:15.434 --> 00:32:16.500
YOU DID THIS WRONG.


00:32:16.600 --> 00:32:18.500
YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL
DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS,

00:32:18.600 --> 00:32:20.667
WHITE, BLACK, AND
DIFFERENT MALE,

00:32:20.767 --> 00:32:21.800
FEMALE COMING TOGETHER


00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:23.967
AND SAYING,
KINGDOM, GOSPEL

00:32:24.067 --> 00:32:25.166
AND JESUS TRUMPS ALL THAT.


00:32:25.266 --> 00:32:26.867
I CAN SIT ACROSS A
TABLE FROM YOU

00:32:26.967 --> 00:32:28.066
LIVING A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT LIFE

00:32:28.166 --> 00:32:29.000
THAN YOU'VE LIVED,


00:32:29.100 --> 00:32:31.100
BUT WE STAND TOGETHER


00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.500
THAT CHRIST HAS
SAVED BOTH OF US

00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:34.600
BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH.


00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:35.666
AT THE END OF THE DAY,


00:32:35.766 --> 00:32:36.600
WE'RE ALL SINNERS.


00:32:36.700 --> 00:32:38.000
WE ALL FALL SHORT
OF THE GLORY OF GOD.

00:32:38.100 --> 00:32:40.067
BUT WE CAN BE A REFLECTION
OF THE TRUE LOVE

00:32:40.167 --> 00:32:43.167
AND THE TRUE REALITY
OF THE GOSPEL

00:32:43.267 --> 00:32:44.100
TO THE WORLD AROUND US.


00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:45.434
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:32:45.534 --> 00:32:46.833
THAT'S SO POWERFUL.


00:32:46.933 --> 00:32:49.000
SO I DID WANT TO ASK YOU


00:32:49.100 --> 00:32:50.300
YOU WERE INJURED,


00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.200
AND YOU HAD SOME
BAD INJURIES.

00:32:52.300 --> 00:32:53.267
MY HUSBAND WAS
TELLING ME

00:32:53.367 --> 00:32:54.900
THAT YOU TORE YOUR ACL.


00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:55.866
AND HE WAS TELLING ME


00:32:55.966 --> 00:32:58.233
MOST PEOPLE DON'T COME
BACK TO THE GAME.

00:32:58.333 --> 00:32:59.500
JONATHAN: IT
USED TO BE THAT.

00:32:59.600 --> 00:33:03.233
MOST PLAYERS, I WOULD SAY
EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO,

00:33:03.333 --> 00:33:04.234
FIVE TO TEN YEARS AGO,


00:33:04.334 --> 00:33:05.267
IF YOU GOT AN ACL INJURY,


00:33:05.367 --> 00:33:08.434
IT WAS SERIOUS AND IT
WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW,

00:33:08.534 --> 00:33:10.033
YOU MAY OR MAY
NOT COME BACK.

00:33:10.133 --> 00:33:11.534
NOW IT'S DEFINITELY
MORE PREVALENT THAT YOU

00:33:11.634 --> 00:33:12.334
DO COME BACK.


00:33:12.434 --> 00:33:14.000
BUT IT'S STILL KNOWN
AS ONE OF

00:33:14.100 --> 00:33:16.433
THE MOST SERIOUS INJURIES
IN BASKETBALL.

00:33:16.533 --> 00:33:17.567
REBECCA: SO I
WANTED TO ASK YOU

00:33:17.667 --> 00:33:19.633
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING
ABOUT DURING THAT TIME?

00:33:19.733 --> 00:33:21.134
WAS THAT A HARD
SEASON OF YOUR LIFE?

00:33:21.234 --> 00:33:22.100
WERE YOUR WONDERING, GOD,


00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:23.467
WHY AM I IN THIS POSITION?


00:33:23.567 --> 00:33:24.333
JONATHAN: THE HARDEST.


00:33:24.433 --> 00:33:25.367
REBECCA: YEAH, TALK
ABOUT THAT.

00:33:25.467 --> 00:33:26.533
JONATHAN: IT WAS TERRIBLE.


00:33:26.633 --> 00:33:30.967
I AND IT WAS, IT WAS RIGHT
AFTER I DECIDED TO STAND.

00:33:31.067 --> 00:33:32.566
AND SO THE NEXT GAME,


00:33:32.666 --> 00:33:36.934
I STOOD FOR THE NATIONAL
ANTHEM ONE GAME, PLAYED.

00:33:37.034 --> 00:33:38.967
THE NEXT GAME
I STOOD AGAIN.

00:33:39.067 --> 00:33:40.400
I REMEMBER AFTER
THE FIRST GAME,

00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:42.200
WE HAD A TEAM
ONLY MEETING,

00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:43.233
AND MY TEAMMATES
WERE ASKING ME,

00:33:43.333 --> 00:33:44.867
WELL, ARE YOU
GONNA STAND AGAIN?

00:33:44.967 --> 00:33:46.033
AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH,


00:33:46.133 --> 00:33:49.733
AND WE HAD OUR OWN
CONVERSATION,

00:33:49.833 --> 00:33:52.134
AND TEMPERS FLARING AND
STUFF IN THAT MEETING.

00:33:52.234 --> 00:33:53.234
BUT WE GOT TO
THE NEXT GAME,

00:33:53.334 --> 00:33:54.534
I STOOD AGAIN,


00:33:54.634 --> 00:33:56.066
AND TORE MY ACL.


00:33:56.166 --> 00:33:58.000
AND SO IT WASN'T EVEN
JUST THAT THAT HAPPENED,

00:33:58.100 --> 00:34:00.034
IT WAS JUST ABOUT THE TIMING
THAT IT HAPPENED,

00:34:00.134 --> 00:34:01.334
THE SPECTACLE THAT IT WAS.


00:34:01.434 --> 00:34:03.134
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
WERE GOING ON

00:34:03.234 --> 00:34:04.767
ABOUT, SEE, YOU
DIDN'T KNEEL,

00:34:04.867 --> 00:34:05.867
SO GOD TOOK YOUR KNEE.


00:34:05.967 --> 00:34:08.500
LIKE ALL THAT STUFF WAS
HAPPENING AT THE TIME.

00:34:08.600 --> 00:34:09.900
AND SO IT WAS
EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.767
I REMEMBER BEING LIKE,
GOD, LIKE WHAT THE HECK?

00:34:13.867 --> 00:34:15.633
WHAT THE HECK?


00:34:15.733 --> 00:34:18.366
BUT WHAT I HAVE LEARNED,


00:34:18.466 --> 00:34:21.000
WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT
GOD THROUGH THE PROCESS,

00:34:21.100 --> 00:34:24.933
IS THAT GOD, WE KNOW
GOD TO BE FAITHFUL

00:34:25.033 --> 00:34:26.734
ONLY WHEN WE
NEED HIM TO BE.

00:34:26.834 --> 00:34:28.566
IT'S LIKE WHEN GOD
CALLS HIMSELF FAITHFUL,

00:34:28.666 --> 00:34:29.933
WHEN GOD SAYS THAT
HE LOVES YOU,

00:34:30.033 --> 00:34:32.433
YOU ONLY KNOW, YOU ONLY
KNOW THE MEASURE

00:34:32.533 --> 00:34:33.800
OF A MOTHER'S LOVE


00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:37.033
BY HOW FAR SHE'S
WILLING TO GO,

00:34:37.133 --> 00:34:38.534
BY YOU GOING IN THE
OTHER DIRECTION

00:34:38.634 --> 00:34:39.634
AND HER LOVING YOU.


00:34:39.734 --> 00:34:41.300
AND SO IT'S LIKE
THE ONLY EVIDENCE

00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.800
OF THE FAITHFULNESS
OF GOD

00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:44.567
IS WHEN WE NEED
HIM TO BE FAITHFUL.

00:34:44.667 --> 00:34:45.233
SO WE DON'T KNOW GOD,


00:34:45.333 --> 00:34:46.767
IF EVERYTHING IS GREAT,


00:34:46.867 --> 00:34:48.434
THEN FAITHFUL DOESN'T
MEAN ANYTHING.

00:34:48.534 --> 00:34:49.400
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:51.000
JONATHAN: FAITHFUL IS
TESTED AND PROVEN

00:34:51.100 --> 00:34:54.433
IN TIMES OF DESPAIR AND
WHEN THEY SHOULD LEAVE YOU,

00:34:54.533 --> 00:34:55.633
THEY DON'T.


00:34:55.733 --> 00:34:57.267
I'VE LEARNED
THAT ABOUT GOD

00:34:57.367 --> 00:34:58.367
THROUGH THE PROCESS.


00:34:58.467 --> 00:35:00.834
I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE
PEOPLE I HAVE AROUND ME

00:35:00.934 --> 00:35:02.633
ARE REAL DEAL PEOPLE


00:35:02.733 --> 00:35:03.533
THAT WILL STICK WITH YOU


00:35:03.633 --> 00:35:05.833
AND LOVE YOU THROUGH
THICK AND THIN.

00:35:05.933 --> 00:35:06.934
AND I ALSO LEARNED


00:35:07.034 --> 00:35:08.367
THAT GOD SEES THINGS
THROUGH A BIRD'S EYE VIEW.

00:35:08.467 --> 00:35:09.733
WE SEE THINGS KIND
OF AS THEY HAPPEN.

00:35:09.833 --> 00:35:11.900
GOD SEES THINGS FROM THE
BEGINNING AND THE END.

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.434
AND THROUGHOUT
THE INJURY,

00:35:13.534 --> 00:35:15.133
GOD CONTINUED TO BLESS ME.


00:35:15.233 --> 00:35:17.867
BUT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF
KEEPING MY EYES ON GOD,

00:35:17.967 --> 00:35:20.067
YES, THERE WAS A
PERIOD OF BEING ANGRY.

00:35:20.167 --> 00:35:23.166
THERE WAS A PERIOD OF
BEING JUST MAD AND UPSET.

00:35:23.266 --> 00:35:25.767
BUT THEN I WAS ABLE TO SEE
GOD JUST STILL WITH ME,

00:35:25.867 --> 00:35:26.833
YOU'RE STILL IN IT.


00:35:26.933 --> 00:35:29.200
AND AS I HAD
THE DOWNTIME,

00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:30.467
I WAS ABLE TO
WRITE THE BOOK.

00:35:30.567 --> 00:35:31.300
AS I HAD THE DOWNTIME,


00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:32.733
I WAS ABLE TO
WORK ON UNITUS,

00:35:32.833 --> 00:35:34.500
WHICH HAS LAUNCHED
ALREADY.

00:35:34.600 --> 00:35:37.000
AND I THINK, BY THE
TIME THIS COMES OUT,

00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:38.633
PEOPLE WILL BE,
IN JESUS' NAME,

00:35:38.733 --> 00:35:39.567
WEARING IT ALL
OVER THE WORLD.

00:35:39.667 --> 00:35:40.633
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:35:40.733 --> 00:35:42.266
JONATHAN: BUT, YEAH,
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS,

00:35:42.366 --> 00:35:43.500
I LEARNED SO
MUCH ABOUT GOD.

00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:44.867
I'VE LEARN TO
IDENTITY WITH PEOPLE

00:35:44.967 --> 00:35:47.300
THAT GO THROUGH INJURIES,


00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.567
PLAYERS AND THINGS.


00:35:48.667 --> 00:35:49.766
AND A LOT OF TIMES,
WE GO THROUGH THINGS.

00:35:49.866 --> 00:35:52.433
WE THINK IT'S GOD
PUNISHING US,

00:35:52.533 --> 00:35:53.034
BUT A LOT OF TIMES


00:35:53.134 --> 00:35:53.967
WE GO THROUGH THINGS


00:35:54.067 --> 00:35:55.633
SO WE CAN IDENTIFY
WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

00:35:55.733 --> 00:35:57.567
AND WE ALWAYS HAVE
THAT TO GO BACK TO.

00:35:57.667 --> 00:36:00.467
AND SO, YEAH, IT WAS
ABSOLUTELY A TOUGH TIME.

00:36:00.567 --> 00:36:01.833
IT TESTED MY FAITH.


00:36:01.933 --> 00:36:03.534
BUT I THINK IT ALSO
PROVED MY FAITH

00:36:03.634 --> 00:36:06.567
THAT IT WASN'T
ABOUT WHETHER

00:36:06.667 --> 00:36:08.166
I WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU
TALKED ABOUT ME NOT

00:36:08.266 --> 00:36:11.933
GETTING PAID YET OR MY
EXTENSION NOT BEING SIGNED YET.

00:36:12.033 --> 00:36:13.867
YOU KNOW, THAT PROVED THAT
IT WASN'T ABOUT MONEY,

00:36:13.967 --> 00:36:16.134
BUT ME BEING ABLE
TO GET INJURED

00:36:16.234 --> 00:36:19.633
AND STILL STAY TRUE AND
TRY MY BEST TO HONOR GOD

00:36:19.733 --> 00:36:20.567
THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS,


00:36:20.667 --> 00:36:22.367
PROVE THAT IT
WASN'T ABOUT ME

00:36:22.467 --> 00:36:23.433
IN THAT MOMENT.


00:36:23.533 --> 00:36:25.167
IT WASN'T ABOUT JONATHAN
ISAAC THE NBA PLAYER.

00:36:25.267 --> 00:36:27.134
IT IS ABOUT JONATHAN ISAAC
THE KID WHO'S TRYING

00:36:27.234 --> 00:36:28.300
TO GLORIFY GOD.


00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:29.500
REBECCA: AND HE
HELPED ESTABLISH

00:36:29.600 --> 00:36:31.467
IN THAT SEASON
YOUR IDENTITY

00:36:31.567 --> 00:36:33.434
ASIDE FROM THE NBA.


00:36:33.534 --> 00:36:35.066
I WAS THINKING ABOUT


00:36:35.166 --> 00:36:36.400
THERE'S TWO THINGS
I WANT TO ASK.

00:36:36.500 --> 00:36:37.300
FIRST THING IS


00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.567
TALK ABOUT THROUGH
YOUR PROCESS OF

00:36:39.667 --> 00:36:41.133
BECAUSE I THINK IT
NEEDS TO BE SAID.

00:36:41.233 --> 00:36:43.034
IT'S OKAY TO
QUESTION GOD

00:36:43.134 --> 00:36:44.534
AND TO BE ANGRY,


00:36:44.634 --> 00:36:45.900
YOU JUST CAN'T STAY THERE.


00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.600
SO TELL PEOPLE HOW DID
YOU DEAL WITH THAT?

00:36:48.700 --> 00:36:50.467
JONATHAN: WELL,
I THINK IT'S,

00:36:50.567 --> 00:36:51.900
ONE IS JUST THE WORD.


00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.867
IT'S THE WORD.


00:36:52.967 --> 00:36:54.300
AND I THINK I WOULD NOT
HAVE BEEN ABLE

00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:54.966
TO DEAL WITH IT.


00:36:55.333 --> 00:36:56.700
I WOULD HAVE RUN IN
THE OTHER DIRECTION

00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:58.667
IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE
RIGHT PEOPLE IN MY LIFE.

00:36:58.767 --> 00:37:00.067
THE PEOPLE WHO GOD
BROUGHT IN MY LIFE

00:37:00.167 --> 00:37:02.100
AND WHO WERE THERE FROM
THE FOUNDATION OF ME

00:37:02.200 --> 00:37:03.433
BECOMING A CHRISTIAN.


00:37:03.533 --> 00:37:05.233
IF I DIDN'T HAVE THEM,


00:37:05.333 --> 00:37:07.100
I WOULDN'T BE SITTING
HERE RIGHT NOW.

00:37:07.200 --> 00:37:08.134
AND SO THERE WAS,


00:37:08.234 --> 00:37:08.967
I WAS OUT THE GAME.


00:37:09.067 --> 00:37:11.566
I WAS LIKE, I'M FED UP.


00:37:11.666 --> 00:37:14.500
I'M RUNNING IN THE
OPPOSITE DIRECTION,

00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:16.133
BUT PEOPLE WHO WILL
BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION

00:37:16.233 --> 00:37:17.434
THAT GOD IS FAITHFUL.


00:37:17.534 --> 00:37:19.333
PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE THEIR
OWN TESTIMONY

00:37:19.433 --> 00:37:20.333
OF GOD'S FAITHFULNESS


00:37:20.433 --> 00:37:21.200
THAT YOU CAN BANK ON,


00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:22.933
AND YOU CAN HOLD ON TO


00:37:23.033 --> 00:37:24.867
WHEN YOU CAN'T HOLD
ON TO IT FOR YOURSELF

00:37:24.967 --> 00:37:26.400
WAS ABSOLUTELY KEY.


00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:27.333
AND THEN YOU JUST,


00:37:27.433 --> 00:37:28.466
YOU GET STRONGER.


00:37:28.566 --> 00:37:29.633
YOU GET STRONGER.


00:37:29.733 --> 00:37:31.500
I THINK ABOUT JOB


00:37:31.600 --> 00:37:32.933
WHERE HE WAS TESTED,


00:37:33.033 --> 00:37:33.967
AND HE WENT THROUGH IT,


00:37:34.067 --> 00:37:34.900
AND HE HAD THE MOMENTS
OF QUESTIONING GOD.

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:36.334
AND, GOD, WHY THIS
AND WHY THAT?

00:37:36.434 --> 00:37:38.033
AND GOD WAS ABLE TO
SHOW HIM,

00:37:38.133 --> 00:37:39.867
I'M ON A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT PLAYING FIELD

00:37:39.967 --> 00:37:40.834
THAN WHAT YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT.

00:37:40.934 --> 00:37:43.000
TALKING ABOUT JOB
KEPT HIS HEART RIGHT.

00:37:43.100 --> 00:37:43.833
HE KEPT HIS HEART RIGHT.


00:37:43.933 --> 00:37:45.700
HIS FRIENDS AROUND
HIM DIDN'T,

00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:47.567
AND HE WAS THE ONE WHO
PRAYED FOR HIS FRIENDS

00:37:47.667 --> 00:37:48.633
TO BE FORGIVEN,


00:37:48.733 --> 00:37:49.733
BUT JOB KEPT
HIS HEART RIGHT

00:37:49.833 --> 00:37:50.934
AND GOD BLESSED
HIM DOUBLE.

00:37:51.034 --> 00:37:52.433
AND IN TODAY'S DATE,


00:37:52.533 --> 00:37:53.467
THAT'S HOW I FEEL.


00:37:53.567 --> 00:37:55.866
I FEEL LIKE GOD HAS
CONTINUED TO BLESS ME.

00:37:55.966 --> 00:37:58.034
HE'S CONTINUED TO
LIFT ME.

00:37:58.134 --> 00:37:59.167
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON


00:37:59.267 --> 00:38:00.367
WHY I'M ON THIS PODCAST
WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.

00:38:00.467 --> 00:38:01.433
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:38:01.533 --> 00:38:03.800
ALSO, IT'S OKAY TO BE
HONEST WITH THE LORD.

00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:05.500
JONATHAN: YES, HE
ALREADY KNOWS.

00:38:05.600 --> 00:38:06.667
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:38:06.767 --> 00:38:07.600
JONATHAN: HE
KNOWS YOUR HEART.

00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:08.566
REBECCA: THAT'S
HOW THE PSALMS ARE.

00:38:08.666 --> 00:38:10.633
DAVID STARTS OFF A
LOT OF TIMES ANGRY,

00:38:10.733 --> 00:38:12.667
BUT THEN IT ALWAYS
TRANSITIONS INTO GOD THIS

00:38:12.767 --> 00:38:13.967
IS WHO YOU ARE.


00:38:14.067 --> 00:38:15.166
AND SO I WANT TO
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE

00:38:15.266 --> 00:38:16.633
WHO ARE LISTENING
TO THIS,

00:38:16.733 --> 00:38:18.734
YOU CAN BE HONEST
WITH THE LORD,

00:38:18.834 --> 00:38:22.034
BUT THEN ALLOW GOD TO
MINISTER TO YOU THROUGH THAT.

00:38:22.134 --> 00:38:23.800
AND BRING YOU TO THAT
PLACE OF OKAY,

00:38:23.900 --> 00:38:25.400
I MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND
WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS,

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:26.800
BUT I KNOW THAT
YOU HOLD MY FUTURE.

00:38:26.900 --> 00:38:27.900
JONATHAN: ABSOLUTELY.


00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.134
REBECCA: THE OTHER THING
THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS

00:38:29.234 --> 00:38:30.233
WHEN YOU WENT
TO THE CHURCH,

00:38:30.333 --> 00:38:32.066
THAT WAS THE BEGINNING
OF YOU LEARNING ABOUT

00:38:32.166 --> 00:38:33.333
A PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

00:38:33.433 --> 00:38:34.633
AND IT SAYS IN JOHN 15,


00:38:34.733 --> 00:38:35.533
ABIDE IN ME,


00:38:35.633 --> 00:38:36.600
AND I'LL ABIDE IN YOU.


00:38:36.700 --> 00:38:37.167
APART FROM ME,


00:38:37.267 --> 00:38:38.467
YOU CAN DO NOTHING.


00:38:38.567 --> 00:38:39.500
BUT IT ALSO SAYS


00:38:39.600 --> 00:38:42.400
IN THAT VERSE, IT SAYS,
EVERY BRANCH IN ME

00:38:42.500 --> 00:38:43.234
THAT DOES NOT BEAR FRUIT,


00:38:43.334 --> 00:38:44.333
HE TAKES AWAY.


00:38:44.433 --> 00:38:47.167
AND EVERY BRANCH THAT DOES
BEAR FRUIT, HE PRUNES.

00:38:47.267 --> 00:38:49.200
AND THAT WAS PROBABLY A
PRUNING SEASON OF YOUR LIFE.

00:38:49.300 --> 00:38:50.033
JONATHAN: AMEN.


00:38:50.133 --> 00:38:50.967
ABSOLUTELY.


00:38:51.067 --> 00:38:51.866
REBECCA: BUT LOOK
AT THE FRUITFULNESS

00:38:51.966 --> 00:38:52.867
THAT CAME FROM IT.


00:38:52.967 --> 00:38:55.000
THE BOOK, AND I WANT
YOU TO TALK ABOUT --

00:38:55.100 --> 00:38:58.100
SO YOUR CLOTHING LINE
CAME DURING THAT SEASON?

00:38:58.200 --> 00:39:00.767
JONATHAN: YES, IT
STARTED TO BE WORKED ON.

00:39:00.867 --> 00:39:01.633
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:39:01.733 --> 00:39:02.366
JONATHAN: AND SO
BACK DURING COVID,

00:39:02.466 --> 00:39:04.500
I WAS A NIKE-SIGNED
ATHLETE.

00:39:04.600 --> 00:39:05.167
AND I GOT INJURED.


00:39:05.267 --> 00:39:05.967
AFTER I GOT INJURED,


00:39:06.067 --> 00:39:07.500
I DIDN'T RESIGN
WITH NIKE.

00:39:07.600 --> 00:39:08.934
AND I REMEMBER HAVING
A CONVERSATION

00:39:09.034 --> 00:39:09.867
WITH MY PASTOR


00:39:09.967 --> 00:39:10.733
WHERE HE SAID, WELL,
YOU SHOULD CREATE

00:39:10.833 --> 00:39:11.667
YOUR OWN SNEAKER.


00:39:11.767 --> 00:39:12.600
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:39:12.700 --> 00:39:13.666
JONATHAN: AND I
WAS LIKE, OH, WELL,

00:39:13.766 --> 00:39:15.766
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT
WOULD EVEN LOOK LIKE.

00:39:15.866 --> 00:39:17.200
AND I STARTED TO
GO DOWN THAT ROAD.

00:39:17.300 --> 00:39:19.633
AND THEN IT TURNED INTO, YOU
KNOW, WHY JUST A SNEAKER?

00:39:19.733 --> 00:39:22.500
WHY NOT CREATE AN ENTIRE
SPORTS AND APPAREL COMPANY

00:39:22.600 --> 00:39:24.633
THAT STANDS UP
FOR OUR VALUES?

00:39:24.733 --> 00:39:26.900
IN A TIME WHERE EVERYTHING
IS RUNNING AWAY

00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:27.966
FROM OUR VALUES,


00:39:28.066 --> 00:39:29.567
EVERYTHING IS RUNNING
AWAY FROM GODLY VALUES

00:39:29.667 --> 00:39:31.567
AND PRINCIPLES,
CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES

00:39:31.667 --> 00:39:32.600
AND PRINCIPLES.


00:39:32.700 --> 00:39:33.467
AND WHAT WOULD
IT LOOK LIKE

00:39:33.567 --> 00:39:35.300
TO BE ABLE
TO OFFER PEOPLE

00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:36.900
THE FREEDOM TO BUY
WITH THEIR VALUES

00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.566
AND SAY WE STAND
UP FOR FAITH,

00:39:38.666 --> 00:39:39.700
FAMILY AND FREEDOM


00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:41.067
AND WE'RE UNASHAMED OF IT.


00:39:41.167 --> 00:39:42.567
AND I KNOW WHAT
IT FEELS LIKE

00:39:42.667 --> 00:39:43.434
TO STAND ALONE.


00:39:43.534 --> 00:39:44.366
I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE


00:39:44.466 --> 00:39:46.067
TO BE LONELY
IN THAT SENSE.

00:39:46.167 --> 00:39:47.933
BUT WHEN I KNOW WHEN YOU
HAVE COMMUNITY

00:39:48.033 --> 00:39:49.233
AND PEOPLE
BANDED TOGETHER

00:39:49.333 --> 00:39:50.433
SAYING THIS IS
WHAT I BELIEVE,

00:39:50.533 --> 00:39:52.533
YOU'RE ENCOURAGED AND
YOU'RE STRENGTHENED.

00:39:52.633 --> 00:39:53.934
SO WHAT BETTER
WAY TO DO THAT.

00:39:54.034 --> 00:39:55.034
OBVIOUSLY, THROUGH CHURCH,


00:39:55.134 --> 00:39:56.100
OBVIOUSLY, ALL THAT,


00:39:56.200 --> 00:39:58.200
BUT ALSO THROUGH A REALLY
DOPE CLOTHING BRAND.

00:39:58.300 --> 00:39:58.966
REBECCA: YEAH.


00:39:59.066 --> 00:39:59.634
JONATHAN: SPORTS
AND APPAREL.

00:39:59.734 --> 00:40:00.500
REBECCA: TELL US THE NAME


00:40:00.600 --> 00:40:02.533
AND HOW YOU CAME TO THAT?


00:40:02.633 --> 00:40:06.033
JONATHAN: YEAH, SO THE NAME IS
UNITUS, U-N-I-T-U-S.

00:40:06.133 --> 00:40:08.700
AND, AGAIN, MY PASTOR'S
INFLUENCE ON MY LIFE,

00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.633
HE WAS, HE WAS IN PRAYER,


00:40:11.733 --> 00:40:13.666
AND HE WAS LOOKING AT
THE ARK OF THE COVENANT,

00:40:13.766 --> 00:40:16.500
AND HOW THE ANGELS ARE
KIND OF POINTED

00:40:16.600 --> 00:40:17.867
TOWARDS THE FLAMES.


00:40:17.967 --> 00:40:18.734
REBECCA: THE SERAPHIM.


00:40:18.834 --> 00:40:19.234
JONATHAN: YES.


00:40:19.334 --> 00:40:20.433
AND IT WAS A,


00:40:20.533 --> 00:40:22.966
AND IT WAS A PRAYER
SAYING, GOD, UNITE US,

00:40:23.066 --> 00:40:24.766
AND THAT WENT AND TURNED
INTO UNITE US, UNITE US,

00:40:24.866 --> 00:40:26.600
OH, UNITUS.


00:40:26.700 --> 00:40:28.433
AND THAT'S HOW THE
NAME UNITUS WAS BORN.

00:40:28.533 --> 00:40:29.066
REBECCA: THAT'S SO COOL.


00:40:29.233 --> 00:40:30.300
AND THAT WAS
ALSO THE PRAYER

00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.233
THAT JESUS PRAYED RIGHT
BEFORE HE WENT TO THE CROSS.

00:40:32.333 --> 00:40:33.866
MAKE US ONE,


00:40:33.966 --> 00:40:35.667
AS YOU AND I
ARE ONE, FATHER.

00:40:35.767 --> 00:40:36.733
JONATHAN: YES.


00:40:36.833 --> 00:40:37.500
REBECCA: THAT WAS HIS
PRAYER FOR THE CHURCH.

00:40:37.600 --> 00:40:39.166
AND IN A TIME
OF DIVISION

00:40:39.266 --> 00:40:41.734
AND DECEPTION, WHAT
A POWERFUL MESSAGE

00:40:41.834 --> 00:40:43.066
TO BE PUTTING ON CLOTHING


00:40:43.166 --> 00:40:46.300
THAT PEOPLE CAN HELP WEAR
AND SPREAD THAT MESSAGE.

00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.500
SO, OKAY, FOR PEOPLE WHO
ARE INTERESTED IN THE

00:40:48.600 --> 00:40:49.934
CLOTHING, GIVE
US THE DEETS.

00:40:50.034 --> 00:40:52.533
JONATHAN: YOU CAN HEAD
TO WEAREUNITUS.COM

00:40:52.633 --> 00:40:54.767
WEAREU-N-I-T-U-S.COM.


00:40:54.867 --> 00:40:57.700
AND ALSO WEAREUNITUS ON
IN INSTAGRAM AND TWITTER.

00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:59.200
REBECCA: WELL, I'VE
SEEN SOME OF IT,

00:40:59.300 --> 00:41:00.200
AND IT LOOKS AMAZING.


00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:01.200
JONATHAN: I
APPRECIATE YOU.

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:03.200
REBECCA: AND NOT ONLY
DOES IT LOOK GOOD,

00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.067
BUT YOU PARTNERED
WITH A COMPANY.

00:41:05.167 --> 00:41:05.834
TALK ABOUT THAT


00:41:05.934 --> 00:41:06.934
BECAUSE THAT'S COOL, TOO.


00:41:07.034 --> 00:41:09.167
JONATHAN: SO I'M GONNA BE
WEARING MY OWN SNEAKER

00:41:09.267 --> 00:41:10.367
THIS UPCOMING SEASON.


00:41:10.467 --> 00:41:12.367
IT'S CALLED THE
UNITUS JUDAH 1.

00:41:12.467 --> 00:41:13.567
MY MIDDLE NAME IS JUDAH.


00:41:13.667 --> 00:41:16.333
AND SO THE SAME WAY
WE'RE PUTTING OUR VALUES

00:41:16.433 --> 00:41:18.134
ON OUR SLEEVES
THROUGH UNITUS,

00:41:18.234 --> 00:41:20.267
WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT
UNITUS ON OUR VALUES

00:41:20.367 --> 00:41:21.934
THROUGH OUR FOOTWEAR.


00:41:22.034 --> 00:41:23.933
YEAH, THERE'S
FIVE COLORWAYS.

00:41:24.033 --> 00:41:25.634
EACH COLORWAY
HAS ITS OWN VERSE

00:41:25.734 --> 00:41:27.867
THAT GOES WITH THE
NAME OF THE SHOE.

00:41:27.967 --> 00:41:28.867
AND SO I'M JUST EXCITED


00:41:28.967 --> 00:41:30.866
FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT
AND LEARN ABOUT IT.

00:41:30.966 --> 00:41:32.034
REBECCA: AND I'VE
SEEN THE SHOE

00:41:32.134 --> 00:41:33.167
WITH THE JUDAH.


00:41:33.267 --> 00:41:36.000
AND IT HAS THE LION OF THE
TRIBE OF JUDAH ON THERE.

00:41:36.100 --> 00:41:37.333
AND JUDAH MEANS PRAISE.


00:41:37.433 --> 00:41:38.567
SO I JUST THINK
IT'S SO PROFOUND

00:41:38.667 --> 00:41:39.933
THAT AS YOU'RE
PLAYING THE GAME,

00:41:40.033 --> 00:41:40.867
YOU'RE GONNA
HAVE A SHOE ON

00:41:40.967 --> 00:41:43.000
THAT DECLARES AND
GLORIFIES GOD.

00:41:43.100 --> 00:41:44.133
JONATHAN: ABSOLUTELY.


00:41:44.233 --> 00:41:44.900
REBECCA: I JUST THINK
THAT'S SUCH A GREAT THING.

00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:45.833
JONATHAN: I THOUGHT, TOO,


00:41:45.933 --> 00:41:47.100
WHERE CAN YOU GO?


00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:48.234
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT,


00:41:48.334 --> 00:41:50.266
AND ACTUALLY HAVE
A REAL SCRIPTURE

00:41:50.366 --> 00:41:51.734
ON A BASKETBALL
TENNIS SHOE.

00:41:51.834 --> 00:41:52.734
AND IT'S JUST
THE BEGINNING

00:41:52.834 --> 00:41:53.700
WHEN IT COMES
TO BASKETBALL.

00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.733
WE WANT TO GET INTO
EVERY SINGLE SPORT

00:41:55.833 --> 00:41:57.800
AND ALSO HAVE KIND
OF LEISURE SNEAKERS

00:41:57.900 --> 00:41:59.633
AND TRAINERS AND
EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

00:41:59.733 --> 00:42:01.834
BUT, AGAIN, WITH THE
SAME FOUNDATION IN MIND

00:42:01.934 --> 00:42:03.034
THAT'S STANDING
UP FOR FAITH,

00:42:03.134 --> 00:42:04.700
FAMILY AND
FREEDOM IS VALID.

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:05.800
AND IF THEY WON'T
CELEBRATE IT,

00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.200
THEN WE SHOULD
CELEBRATE IT OURSELVES.

00:42:07.300 --> 00:42:08.467
REBECCA: AND THAT'S
EXACTLY THE KIND OF THINGS

00:42:08.567 --> 00:42:10.600
I WANT BELIEVERS
TO BE SUPPORTING.

00:42:10.700 --> 00:42:13.267
BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT
MANY OPTIONS OUT THERE.

00:42:13.367 --> 00:42:14.867
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY
OPTIONS FOR THIS.

00:42:14.967 --> 00:42:16.567
SO I'M SO PROUD OF YOU


00:42:16.667 --> 00:42:17.500
FOR SETTING THIS UP


00:42:17.600 --> 00:42:19.234
AND GIVING AN
AVENUE FOR BELIEVERS.

00:42:19.334 --> 00:42:22.500
AND MAYBE OTHER CHRISTIAN
ATHLETES CAN JOIN IN AS WELL

00:42:22.600 --> 00:42:23.334
AND REP IT, TOO.


00:42:23.434 --> 00:42:25.000
THERE'S SO MANY
POSSIBILITIES.,

00:42:25.100 --> 00:42:26.234
BUT SEE THAT'S KINGDOM.


00:42:26.334 --> 00:42:26.867
JONATHAN: YES.


00:42:26.967 --> 00:42:28.033
REBECCA: THAT'S KINGDOM.


00:42:28.133 --> 00:42:29.767
AND IT'S BIGGER THAN US
AND IT POINTS TO THE LORD,

00:42:29.867 --> 00:42:31.667
AND IT HELPS
SPREAD THE GOSPEL.

00:42:31.767 --> 00:42:33.500
SO I JUST WANT
TO SAY THANK YOU

00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:34.300
FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.


00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:35.300
KEEP GOING.


00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:36.500
KEEP GROWING.


00:42:36.600 --> 00:42:37.800
WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF YOU.


00:42:37.900 --> 00:42:41.500
AND THIS, YOUR
STORY IS INSPIRING.

00:42:41.600 --> 00:42:44.934
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE
PERSON WHO'S WATCHING,

00:42:45.034 --> 00:42:47.267
I JUST SENSE THERE'S
PROBABLY LIKE

00:42:47.367 --> 00:42:48.900
A YOUNG BOY OUT THERE


00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.000
WHO'S FACED REJECTION
AND IS STRUGGLING.

00:42:51.100 --> 00:42:52.900
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO HIM?


00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:53.766
JONATHAN: I
WOULD SAY THAT

00:42:53.866 --> 00:42:56.833
GOD IS NO RESPECTER
OF PERSONS.

00:42:56.933 --> 00:43:03.000
AND I WOULD SAY THAT,


00:43:03.100 --> 00:43:05.767
I WOULD SAY THAT I'M
THE UNLIKELY PERSON.

00:43:05.867 --> 00:43:08.334
LIKE IF THERE WAS
A CUT AND COPY

00:43:08.434 --> 00:43:10.766
OF LIKE SOMEBODY
THAT GOD WOULD USE,

00:43:10.866 --> 00:43:12.067
SOMEBODY THAT GOD
WOULD PLATFORM,

00:43:12.167 --> 00:43:14.300
SOMEBODY THAT GOD WOULD
USE TO LIFT UP HIS NAME,

00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.233
I WOULDN'T BE THAT PERSON.


00:43:16.333 --> 00:43:20.233
AND IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S
NOT ABOUT PERFECTION.

00:43:20.333 --> 00:43:21.634
AGAIN, TALKING
ABOUT THE ANXIETY.

00:43:21.734 --> 00:43:22.767
TALKING ABOUT THE
SELF-INSECURITY,

00:43:22.867 --> 00:43:23.933
AND THINGS THAT
I'VE STRUGGLED WITH.

00:43:24.033 --> 00:43:25.533
I'M NOT THE PERSON
THAT STANDS UP

00:43:25.633 --> 00:43:28.033
FOR WHAT HE
BELIEVES IN EVER, AT ALL.

00:43:28.133 --> 00:43:30.900
IT'S ALL ONLY BECAUSE OF
A TRUE TRANSFORMATION OR

00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.200
RELATIONSHIP WITH
JESUS CHRIST

00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:33.433
IS WHY I'M HERE.


00:43:33.533 --> 00:43:35.500
WHY I'VE BEEN ABLE
TO DO WHAT I'VE DONE

00:43:35.600 --> 00:43:37.200
AND HAVING THE RIGHT
PEOPLE IN MY LIFE,

00:43:37.300 --> 00:43:38.534
BEING SUBMITTED
TO A PASTOR,

00:43:38.634 --> 00:43:40.700
BEING PLANTED IN A CHURCH,


00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.733
THAT HAS CAUSED ME TO
BE WHERE I AM TODAY.

00:43:42.833 --> 00:43:43.667
AND SO I WOULD SAY


00:43:43.767 --> 00:43:45.133
THAT GOD IS NO
RESPECTER OF PERSONS.

00:43:45.233 --> 00:43:46.667
IF YOU GIVE
GOD YOUR BEST,

00:43:46.767 --> 00:43:48.300
IF YOU GIVE GOD SOMETHING
TO WORK WITH,

00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.166
GOD WILL GIVE
YOU HIS BEST.

00:43:50.266 --> 00:43:51.366
REBECCA: THAT'S
SO POWERFUL.

00:43:51.466 --> 00:43:53.234
WELL, THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

00:43:53.334 --> 00:43:55.066
FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO GET THE BOOK,

00:43:55.166 --> 00:43:57.300
IT'S<i>WHY I STAND.</i>


00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:58.300
WHERE CAN THEY GET IT?


00:43:58.400 --> 00:43:59.733
JONATHAN: YOU CAN
HEAD TO AMAZON.

00:43:59.833 --> 00:44:01.500
CHECK OUT<i>WHY I
STAND</i> IN ENGLISH.

00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:02.534
SPANISH AND PORTUGUESE


00:44:02.634 --> 00:44:04.466
WILL BE ON
AMAZON VERY SOON.

00:44:04.533 --> 00:44:05.400
REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME.


00:44:05.500 --> 00:44:06.900
WELL, THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.367
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.


00:44:08.467 --> 00:44:09.500
JONATHAN: THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR HAVING ME.