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REBECCA LAMB WEISS:
HEY, GUYS.
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WELCOME BACK TO
THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST .
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I AM SUPER EXCITED ABOUT
OUR GUEST TODAY
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BECAUSE SHE IS
A VERY CALMING PRESENCE
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AND SHE'S
A WELL OF WISDOM.
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AND SHE'S GOING TO BE
TALKING ABOUT HER NEW BOOK,
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THE NIGHT IS NORMAL .
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PLEASE WELCOME TO
THE SHOW, DR. ABC,
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AS WE CAN CALL YOU.
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OR DR. ALICIA BRITT CHOLE.
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DR. ALICIA BRITT CHOLE:
YOU GOT IT.
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REBECCA: I DID IT!
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DR. CHOLE: IT'S
SO GOOD TO BE HERE.
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THANKS FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY.
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REBECCA: I JUST
HEARD YOU TALKING,
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AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I
HAVE GOT TO HAVE HER ON.
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SO I WANT TO JUMP INTO
THE NIGHT IS NORMAL .
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BUT I WANT TO TAP
ON A LITTLE BIT,
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BECAUSE I HEARD JUST A QUICK
STORY ABOUT YOUR TESTIMONY.
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DR. CHOLE: YES, YES.
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I WAS A VERY SINCERE
AND CERTAIN ATHEIST,
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ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED
THAT THERE WAS NO GOD.
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IT WASN'T CHURCH HURT, IT WAS
JUST I LEAN PHILOSOPHICAL,
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I'VE ASKED
A LOT OF QUESTIONS,
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AND THERE WERE A LOT OF
QUESTIONS THAT HAD NO ANSWERS,
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AND SO I FIGURED
WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT
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PEOPLE WOULD CREATE GOD, AND
GOD'S TO STUFF IN THE GAPS
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THAT THOSE ANSWERS
WEREN'T AVAILABLE FOR.
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AND SO I JUST CONSIDERED
MYSELF A REALIST
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WHO PREFERRED UNANSWERED
QUESTIONS OVER FAIRY TALES,
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WAS HEADING
INTO COLLEGE,
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AND UNDER MY PROFESSION,
AND JESUS DECIDED TO
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INTERRUPT MY ATHEISTIC
EXISTENCE WITH AN EXPERIENCE
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THAT WAS SO
INCREDIBLY TANGIBLE.
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I WOULD HAVE HAD TO COMMIT
INTELLECTUAL
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AND EMOTIONAL SUICIDE
TO DENY GOD'S REALITY
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AFTER THAT ENCOUNTER.
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REBECCA: AND WHAT HAPPENED
IN THAT ENCOUNTER?
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DR. CHOLE: OH, IT WAS LIKE
THE WATERS OPENED UP ABOVE ME.
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AND I NEED TO EMPHASIZE,
I WASN'T DRUNK,
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I WASN'T HIGH, I WASN'T
IN THE PIT OF DESPAIR.
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LIFE WAS GOOD.
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BUT GOD OPENED UP
THE HEAVENS OVER ME.
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AND IT FELT LIKE THESE
WATERS WERE JUST WASHING
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THROUGH ME.
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I WAS ALL OF A
SUDDEN IN A PRESENCE.
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AND I HAD STUDIED
DIFFERENT WORLD RELIGIONS
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TO GIVE EVERYBODY
EQUAL TIME AND DEBATE.
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AND SO I KNEW THAT
SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL
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AND SOMETHING SPIRITUAL
WAS HAPPENING,
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AND ON AN
INTELLECTUAL LEVEL,
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I WOULD HAVE BEEN OPEN TO
ANY NAME, ANY RELIGION.
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BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT
HOUR-AND-A-HALF ENCOUNTER,
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I KNEW, I KNEW
BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT
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THAT WHO WAS INITIATING THIS,
HIS NAME WAS JESUS.
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REBECCA: AND THAT ENCOUNTER
HAPPENED AT A CHURCH.
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AND IT WASN'T A VERY
FLASHY SPECTACLE.
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DR. CHOLE: OH, NO.
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IT WAS A, I MEAN THIS
WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT,
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IT WAS A PITIFUL CHURCH.
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[ LAUGHING ]
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IT WAS BROKEN DOWN,
THERE WAS NOTHING OF EXCELLENCE,
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THE ORGAN
WAS OUT OF TUNE.
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I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
THAT WAS POSSIBLE.
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IT WAS FILLED WITH MAYBE TWO
DOZEN BROKENHEARTED SENIOR
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SAINTS THAT OUR CHURCH HAD
EXPERIENCED A HORRIBLE SPLIT
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THAT I
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.
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IT WAS THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS
BEFORE THE DOORS CLOSED.
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AND SO THESE
BROKENHEARTED SAINTS STOOD UP
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AND BEGAN TO SING.
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AND THE ATHEIST IN THE
BACK ROW ENCOUNTERED JESUS.
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REBECCA: I
JUST LOVE THAT,
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BECAUSE EVEN IN THEIR
BROKENNESS AND THEIR HUMILITY,
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THEY SANG
A PRAISE TO GOD.
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AND IT WAS ABLE TO
TOUCH YOUR LIFE,
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WHICH IS IN TURN, GOD IS
USED TO TOUCH SO MANY LIVES.
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DR. CHOLE: WOW.
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AND PAIN LIVED IN GOD'S
PRESENCE IS MORE POWERFUL
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THAN WE CAN EVER IMAGINE.
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REBECCA: YEAH.
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ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID WAS
HOW YOU WERE CAPTIVATED
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BY JESUS.
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YOU OPENED UP THE BIBLE.
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TALK ABOUT THAT.
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DR. CHOLE: YES.
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WELL, RIGHT AFTER
THE ENCOUNTER,
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THE PASTOR CAME UP TO
ME AND HE SAID, WOW,
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SOMETHING HAPPENED TO YOU.
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BECAUSE I DIDN'T
GO FORWARD,
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I DIDN'T RAISE MY HAND, I
DIDN'T SIGN A COMMITMENT CARD.
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AND I SAID, YES, SIR,
SOMETHING HAPPENED.
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HE SAID, HOW DO YOU FEEL?
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AND I SAID, I
NEED A BIBLE.
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CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE,
I NEED A BIBLE.
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AND SO AS SOON AS THE
STORES OPENED ON MONDAY,
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WE WENT AND WE
BOUGHT A BIBLE.
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IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY
MUCH LIKE THIS ONE.
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AND I OPENED IT UP.
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I'VE ALWAYS LOVED WORDS,
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FASCINATED
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WITH THEIR TEXTURE.
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I LOVED RESEARCH,
I LOVE STUDYING.
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SO ALL OF A SUDDEN,
HERE'S THE BIBLE,
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AND IT IS NOT A
BOOK, IT'S A VOICE.
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I JUST HEARD THE VOICE
OF THE ONE WHO LOVED ME
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ENOUGH TO PURSUE ME, AND I COULD
NOT GET ENOUGH OF HIS VOICE.
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REBECCA: HOW
DOES SOMEONE STAY,
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BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHEN
YOU WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS,
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YOU WERE
CAPTIVATED BY JESUS.
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HOW DOES SOMEONE STAY
CAPTIVATED BY JESUS?
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DR. CHOLE: YES.
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I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALIZE
THAT FAITH IS NOT A FEELING.
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IT'S MORE LIKE A MUSCLE.
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AND IT GROWS AS
WE EXERCISE IT.
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AND THE FACT IS, MUSCLES
DON'T ALWAYS FEEL GOOD.
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AND SO WE ARE CONTINUALLY
CHOOSING TO GAZE AT JESUS.
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AND THAT'S WHAT I STARTED
TO DO THROUGHOUT THE GOSPELS,
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JUST IN TINY LITTLE
VERSES BY VERSES BY VERSE,
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I WOULD JUST ALLOW
IT TO DISSOLVE IN ME
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LIKE A GREAT PIECE OF CHOCOLATE
DISSOLVES IN YOUR MOUTH.
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AND SO I STARTED REALIZING
THAT BECAUSE THE WORD IS ALIVE,
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I DON'T JUST READ
IT, I RELATE TO IT.
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I DEVELOP A
RELATIONSHIP WITH IT.
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IN THE NEXT
FOUR-AND-A-HALF YEARS,
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THAT'S REALLY WHAT
I WAS DEVOTED TO,
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WAS GROWING A RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE LIVING WORD OF GOD.
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AND SO THE EXPERIENCE
GAVE ME WINGS.
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BUT THIS WORD
GAVE ME ROOTS.
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REBECCA:
THAT'S SO GOOD.
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FOR THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE LISTENING,
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HOW DOES SOMEONE PRACTICALLY
DO THAT IN THEIR LIFE
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WITH THE WORD?
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BECAUSE MANY DON'T
KNOW HOW TO STUDY IT.
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DR. CHOLE:
OH, ABSOLUTELY.
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I WAS IN A VAN WITH SIX
TWENTY-SOMETHING AMAZING LEADERS
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AND INFLUENCERS,
JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
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AND THEY ASKED ME WHAT
MY GREATEST CONCERN WAS
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FOR THEIR GENERATION,
AND I TALKED ABOUT
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THE RUTHLESSNESS OF A
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE WORD
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OF GOD, AND THEY
SAID, ALICIA,
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PEOPLE ALWAYS TOLD US TO
READ, BUT WE GET SO BORED,
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SO WE TURN ON THE PODCAST
OR WE PUT ON ANOTHER SONG.
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AND I SAID, HAS NO ONE TAUGHT
YOU HOW TO GROW A RELATIONSHIP
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WITH THE WORD?
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AND THEY SAID, NOT
THAT WE KNOW OF.
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I SAID, LISTEN, WE'VE GOT
45 MINUTES IN THIS VAN
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ON THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEARN?
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AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID
FOR THE NEXT 45 MINUTES.
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AND WE JUST TOOK A TINY
LITTLE PIECE AND I SAID,
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OKAY, I WANT YOU TO JUST
LET THIS, BUT HERE WE ARE,
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JOHN CHAPTER 10,
JESUS SAYS,
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I TELL YOU THE TRUTH OF THE MAN
WHO DOES NOT ENTER THE SHEEP PEN
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BY THE GATE
BUT CLIMBS IN BY SOME OTHER WAY
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IS A THIEF.
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LET'S JUST STOP THERE.
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I SAID, I WANT YOU TO ROLL THAT
OVER IN YOUR MIND OVER AND OVER.
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REPEAT IT OVER AND
OVER UNTIL YOU SEE IT,
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UNTIL YOUR WEAR IT.
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SO YOU EXPERIENCE IT.
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AND SO THEY DID.
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THEY JUST STARTED
AND THEY WERE LIKE,
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OH, MY GOODNESS, I'VE NEVER
SEEN IT FROM THAT ANGLE,
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I'VE NEVER THOUGHT
ABOUT IT LIKE THAT.
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AND I SAID, WHAT DO YOU LEARN
ABOUT WHO GOD IS FROM THIS,
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AND WHAT DO YOU LEARN ABOUT
WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO DO?
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AND WE MET JESUS
IN THAT LITTLE VAN
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NOT THROUGH READING
CHAPTER UPON CHAPTER,
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BUT ON TAKING THE LIVING WORD
IN SMALL DOSES
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AND LETTING IT DISSOLVE
INSIDE OF US.
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SO THE SLOW PRACTICE
IS WHAT I DO.
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IT'S TAKEN ME SEVEN YEARS.
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I'M STILL IN
LUKE CHAPTER 9.
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THIS IS MY DAILY PRACTICE.
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TINY LITTLE PIECES
DISSOLVING INSIDE OF ME
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AND ASKING MYSELF, WHAT
AM I LEARNING ABOUT THIS JESUS?
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REBECCA: IT
MAKES ME THINK OF,
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ISN'T THERE A
VERSE THAT SAYS,
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I TAKE YOUR WORDS
AND I ATE THEM?
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DR. CHOLE:
THERE YOU GO.
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THERE IT IS, YES.
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REBECCA: AND IT'S WE HAVE TO --
BUT YOU HAVE TO DIGEST IT.
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DR. CHOLE: YES.
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REBECCA: YES.
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DR. CHOLE: IT
MAKES ME THINK ABOUT,
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I THINK IN BIBLE SCHOOL,
I HAD TO READ AN ARTICLE
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ABOUT HOW A COW HAS
MULTIPLE STOMACHS
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AND IT'S JUST
CONSTANTLY DIGESTING,
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AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY
THAT GOD DESIGNED THEM,
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BUT LIKE THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING
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WITH GOD'S WORD.
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IT'S NOT JUST WE WANT THE
QUICK, WE WANT THE FAST,
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WE WANT THE EASY, BUT WE NEED TO
TAKE IT, MEDITATE ON IT.
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AND I THINK WE'RE
LIVING IN A DAY AND AGE
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WHERE OUR MINDS ARE EVEN BEING
TRAINED FOR ONLY SHORT STINTS
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BECAUSE WE'RE
LIVING FOR DOPAMINE HITS
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OFF OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND
TINY VIDEOS AND THIS AND THAT.
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BUT THIS IS AN
ANCIENT TEXT.
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DR. CHOLE:
THAT'S RIGHT.
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REBECCA: AND IT NEEDS
TO BE DIGESTED,
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IT NEEDS TO BE
MEDITATED UPON.
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AND MEDITATION FROM A
CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW
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IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM
MEDITATION FROM AN EASTERN
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OR ANOTHER RELIGION.
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MEDITATION FOR BELIEVERS
IS, MEDITATING,
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IS FILLING YOUR
MIND WITH HIM.
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OTHER MEDITATIONS, THAT
ISN'T WHAT WE PRACTICE,
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IS EMPTYING THE MIND.
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WE FILL THE MIND.
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DR. CHOLE:
THAT'S RIGHT.
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WE FOCUS THE MIND.
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AND I THINK ALSO, IT'S
GOOD FOR US TO REMEMBER
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THAT WE USE THINGS THAT ARE DEAD
AND WE RELATE TO THINGS
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THAT ARE LIVING.
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AND SO YOU AND I
CAN USE THIS CHAIR,
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BUT WE WOULD DARE
NOT USE ONE ANOTHER.
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AND I THINK WE HAVE TO
ASK OURSELVES, HONESTLY,
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WHEN IT COMES TO
THE SCRIPTURES,
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ARE WE USING IT OR
ARE WE RELATING TO IT?
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AND I THINK THAT
ACTUALLY REVEALS
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WHETHER OUR WORKING THEOLOGY
THINKS THIS BOOK IS DEAD
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OR ALIVE.
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IT'S ALIVE.
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WE GROW A
RELATIONSHIP WITH IT.
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JUST LIKE WE WOULD
WITH ONE ANOTHER.
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IT TAKES TIME, IT
TAKES INTENTIONALITY,
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AND IT TAKES PRACTICE
AND PATIENCE.
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REBECCA: AND
DISCIPLINE.
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DR. CHOLE: MM-HM.
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REBECCA: AND, YEAH.
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THAT'S JUST A DECISION
YOU HAVE TO MAKE.
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AND I THINK THERE'S
SO MANY THINGS FIGHTING
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FOR OUR ATTENTION IN THIS DAY
AND AGE THAT ARE SHINY
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AND INTERESTING, BUT AREN'T
GOING TO LEAD TO ANYTHING
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FRUITFUL.
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BUT THIS WILL PRODUCE --
HELP PRODUCE FRUIT IN US.
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DR. CHOLE: YES.
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IT'LL PREPARE US.
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IT'LL PREPARE US AND GIVE
US THE MUSCLE WE NEED
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TO GO THROUGH
THE NIGHTS OF LIFE.
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REBECCA: YEAH.
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DR. CHOLE: BECAUSE
WITHOUT THIS WORD,
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WE ARE GOING
TO HAVE A VERY,
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VERY TOUGH TIME
NAVIGATING THE NIGHT.
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REBECCA: AND ACTUALLY,
THAT'S THE PERFECT TRANSITION.
00:09:01.767 --> 00:09:03.400
LET'S TALK ABOUT
YOUR NEW BOOK,
00:09:03.500 --> 00:09:06.599
THE NIGHT IS NORMAL:
NAVIGATING THE NIGHT.
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I WANT YOU TO START WITH
THE STORIES ABOUT
00:09:08.400 --> 00:09:09.933
WATCHING THUNDERSTORMS
WITH YOUR DAD.
00:09:10.033 --> 00:09:10.933
DR. CHOLE: YES, YES.
00:09:11.033 --> 00:09:14.366
SO MY MOM WAS
AN AMAZING SOUL.
00:09:14.466 --> 00:09:16.867
AND ONE OF THE VERY FEW
THINGS THAT MY DAD DIDN'T
00:09:16.967 --> 00:09:20.666
WANT ME TO INHERIT FROM HER WAS
HER INCREDIBLE FEAR OF STORMS.
00:09:20.766 --> 00:09:22.800
SHE WAS JUST
PARALYZED BY STORMS.
00:09:22.900 --> 00:09:26.100
AND SO EVERY TIME A STORM
WOULD COME ROLLING IN,
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THIS WAS ALWAYS AT NIGHT BECAUSE
MY DAD WORKED DURING THE DAY,
00:09:28.699 --> 00:09:29.567
AND MY
DAD WOULD SAY, BABY,
00:09:29.667 --> 00:09:31.133
LET'S GO OUT ON THE PORCH.
00:09:31.233 --> 00:09:33.733
AND SO WHEN I WAS LITTLE, HE
WOULD SCOOP ME UP IN HIS ARMS,
00:09:33.833 --> 00:09:35.467
AND WHEN I GREW
TOO BIG FOR SCOOPING,
00:09:35.567 --> 00:09:37.566
HE WOULD JUST BRING
ME OUT BY THE HAND,
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AND MY DAD AND I WOULD
SIT ON THOSE PORCHES,
00:09:40.266 --> 00:09:42.366
AND WE WOULD WATCH
THE STORMS COME IN,
00:09:42.466 --> 00:09:45.466
AND WE WOULD FEEL THE WIND
AND WE WOULD COUNT THE DISTANCE
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BETWEEN THE
THUNDER AND THE LIGHTNING.
00:09:47.567 --> 00:09:50.367
AND FROM WHEN I WAS
A TINY LITTLE GIRL,
00:09:50.467 --> 00:09:54.033
I STARTED ASSOCIATING
NIGHT STORMS
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WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO
REST WITH MY DAD.
00:09:56.966 --> 00:10:00.966
AND THAT ASSOCIATION HAS SERVED
ME SO WELL AS A FOLLOWER
00:10:01.066 --> 00:10:02.267
OF JESUS.
00:10:02.367 --> 00:10:04.633
WHEN JESUS INTERRUPTED MY LIFE
AND SOMEBODY CAME AND SAID,
00:10:04.733 --> 00:10:07.000
OH, BY THE WAY,
GOD IS NOW YOUR FATHER.
00:10:07.100 --> 00:10:08.767
I'M LIKE, OH, FANTASTIC.
00:10:08.867 --> 00:10:10.133
HE'S NOT AFRAID
OF THE NIGHT.
00:10:10.233 --> 00:10:11.666
FANTASTIC.
00:10:11.766 --> 00:10:14.366
STORMS ARE INVITATIONS
TO GET TO KNOW HIM,
00:10:14.466 --> 00:10:16.000
TO REST WITH HIM.
00:10:16.100 --> 00:10:18.933
MY DAD GAVE ME
A GREAT GIFT IN HELPING ME
00:10:19.033 --> 00:10:20.866
NOT BE AFRAID
OF NIGHT STORMS.
00:10:20.966 --> 00:10:26.600
THEY ARE SURVIVABLE IF WE
VIEW THEM AS RELATIONAL.
00:10:26.700 --> 00:10:27.900
REBECCA: THAT'S
REALLY THE KEY,
00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:29.133
IS GOING THROUGH
THE NIGHT,
00:10:29.233 --> 00:10:31.000
IS HAVING THAT
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:31.633
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:10:31.733 --> 00:10:32.466
IT IS WITH HIM.
00:10:32.566 --> 00:10:33.933
WITH HIM IS WHERE
THE POWER IS.
00:10:34.033 --> 00:10:36.900
IT'S NOT IN THE HAPPY,
IT'S NOT IN THE SAD.
00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.566
FAITH IS NOT A SPIRITUALIZED
FORM OF POSITIVE THINKING.
00:10:40.666 --> 00:10:44.333
IT'S TIME WITH JESUS
THAT MAKES FAITH RICH.
00:10:44.433 --> 00:10:46.233
REBECCA: AND IT'S FAITH
IS GOD REWARDING THOSE
00:10:46.333 --> 00:10:48.100
WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM.
00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:49.066
I WAS JUST THINKING
ABOUT THAT VERSE.
00:10:49.166 --> 00:10:51.300
IT SAYS, TALKING
ABOUT FAITH.
00:10:51.400 --> 00:10:53.867
FAITH IS ABOUT SEEKING HIM
HIM AND BELIEVING THAT
00:10:53.967 --> 00:10:56.066
GOD IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS.
00:10:56.166 --> 00:10:59.500
AND THE NIGHT REALLY IS
A PLACE TO TRUST GOD.
00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:00.433
DR. CHOLE: ABSOLUTELY.
00:11:00.533 --> 00:11:01.499
BOTH: BECAUSE
WE CAN'T SEE.
00:11:01.599 --> 00:11:02.400
[ LAUGHING ]
00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:04.166
DR. CHOLE: YOU CAN'T,
YOU CAN'T SEE.
00:11:04.266 --> 00:11:07.200
AND YOU CAN'T THINK YOUR
YOUR WAY THROUGH IT,
00:11:07.300 --> 00:11:08.166
YOU CAN'T
CONNECT THE DOTS.
00:11:08.266 --> 00:11:09.933
AND SO YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE
WHETHER OR NOT
00:11:10.033 --> 00:11:12.967
HE'S TRUSTWORTHY ENOUGH
TO LEAN UPON HIM.
00:11:13.067 --> 00:11:15.333
THIS CALLING THAT JESUS
HAS FOR ALL OF US;
00:11:15.433 --> 00:11:17.700
YOUNG, OLD, WHEREVER WE HAPPEN
TO BE COMING FROM,
00:11:17.800 --> 00:11:19.133
HE SAID THE EXACT
SAME THING TO EVERYBODY
00:11:19.233 --> 00:11:20.467
THROUGHOUT THE GOSPELS.
00:11:20.567 --> 00:11:22.166
HE SAID, FOLLOW ME.
00:11:22.266 --> 00:11:24.800
FOLLOW ME, WHICH MEANS
HE'S THE LEADER.
00:11:24.900 --> 00:11:27.400
WE POSITION OURSELVES AS
THE FOLLOWER IN THE DAY
00:11:27.500 --> 00:11:28.900
AND THROUGH THE NIGHT.
00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:30.633
IT'S ABOUT PROXIMITY.
00:11:30.733 --> 00:11:33.233
IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT
CERTAINTY THAT WE KNOW
00:11:33.333 --> 00:11:35.367
WHERE WE'RE GOING
AND WE CAN SEE CLEARLY
00:11:35.467 --> 00:11:36.666
AND WE'VE GOT
ALL THE ANSWERS.
00:11:36.766 --> 00:11:38.033
NO, NO.
00:11:38.133 --> 00:11:42.600
NO, FOLLOWING IS ABOUT TRUSTING
THE LEADER AND STAYING CLOSE.
00:11:42.700 --> 00:11:46.533
THAT'S WHERE WE PUT OUR ENERGY
IN EVERY SEASON OF LIFE.
00:11:46.633 --> 00:11:50.433
FOLLOW YOUR LEADER,
STAY CLOSE, TRUST HIM.
00:11:50.533 --> 00:11:52.233
AND WE'RE GOING TO
FIND OUR WAY HOME.
00:11:52.333 --> 00:11:54.133
REBECCA: TO THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE LISTENING,
00:11:54.233 --> 00:11:57.966
DESCRIBE WHAT IS THE NIGHT
AND HOW WE SEE IT IN SCRIPTURE.
00:11:58.066 --> 00:11:59.233
DR. CHOLE: OH,
MY GOODNESS, YES.
00:11:59.333 --> 00:12:02.033
SO HISTORICALLY, THE
PEOPLE WOULD TALK ABOUT
00:12:02.133 --> 00:12:03.599
TWO DIFFERENT
TYPES OF NIGHT.
00:12:03.699 --> 00:12:05.333
THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT
THE NIGHT OF THE SOUL
00:12:05.433 --> 00:12:07.266
AND THE NIGHT
OF THE SENSES.
00:12:07.366 --> 00:12:09.233
SO THE NIGHT OF THE SOUL
IS WHEN THERE'S THINGS
00:12:09.333 --> 00:12:10.733
THAT WE THOUGHT
WE KNEW ABOUT GOD
00:12:10.833 --> 00:12:12.533
THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN
WE'RE JUST NOT SURE OF.
00:12:12.633 --> 00:12:15.833
THE NIGHT OF THE SENSES, THAT WE
USED TO FEEL GOD'S PRESENCE
00:12:15.933 --> 00:12:19.166
AND NOW WE DON'T
FEEL ANYTHING OR WE FEEL LOUSY.
00:12:19.266 --> 00:12:22.233
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK FROM
GENESIS TO REVELATION,
00:12:22.333 --> 00:12:25.433
WE SEE PEOPLE GOING
THROUGH THESE NIGHTS
00:12:25.533 --> 00:12:26.533
WHERE WHAT THEY
THOUGHT THEY KNEW,
00:12:26.633 --> 00:12:28.100
THEY NOW KNOW
LESS CLEARLY.
00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.299
WHAT THEY FELT, THEY
DON'T FEEL ANYMORE.
00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.967
JOB, ECCLESIASTES, KING DAVID,
OH, MY GOODNESS,
00:12:33.067 --> 00:12:35.399
THE PSALMS ARE
DRIPPING WITH NIGHT.
00:12:35.499 --> 00:12:36.733
THE GOSPELS.
00:12:36.833 --> 00:12:39.133
IN FACT, THIS IS HOW
THIS ALL BEGAN FOR ME.
00:12:39.233 --> 00:12:43.066
I BEGAN STUDYING EVERY
OCCURRENCE OF SPIRITUAL PAIN
00:12:43.166 --> 00:12:44.833
I COULD FIND,
GENESIS TO REVELATION.
00:12:44.933 --> 00:12:47.833
TOOK ME YEARS TO CHRONICLE
EVERY ONE OF THEM.
00:12:47.933 --> 00:12:50.733
AND I STARTED SEEING THAT
THE NIGHT WAS NORMAL
00:12:50.833 --> 00:12:52.233
IN THE LIFE OF FAITH.
00:12:52.333 --> 00:12:54.600
AND NOT ONLY THAT,
THE NIGHT IS NECESSARY
00:12:54.700 --> 00:12:57.233
BECAUSE THERE'S TREASURE THERE,
THERE'S GROWTH THERE.
00:12:57.333 --> 00:13:01.099
WHAT THE NIGHT DOES IS
PURIFY OUR LOVE FOR GOD.
00:13:01.199 --> 00:13:04.233
AND WE EMERGE ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR NIGHT
00:13:04.333 --> 00:13:08.733
WITH A MUSCULAR FAITH THAT HAS
SOMETHING TO SAY TO PEOPLE
00:13:08.833 --> 00:13:10.966
WHO KNOW A LOT
ABOUT DARKNESS.
00:13:11.066 --> 00:13:12.333
REBECCA: THAT'S
SO POWERFUL.
00:13:12.433 --> 00:13:13.900
THE NIGHT IS NORMAL.
00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:14.766
DR. CHOLE:
IT IS NORMAL.
00:13:14.866 --> 00:13:16.933
REBECCA: THE
NIGHT IS NECESSARY.
00:13:17.033 --> 00:13:18.233
AND IF PEOPLE
COULD UNDERSTAND THAT
00:13:18.333 --> 00:13:21.900
GOING INTO THOSE NIGHT SEASONS,
THEY WOULDN'T MAYBE PANIC.
00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:23.200
DR. CHOLE:
THAT'S RIGHT.
00:13:23.300 --> 00:13:24.533
REBECCA: I WISH I COULD HAVE
TOLD MYSELF THAT FIVE YEARS AGO.
00:13:24.633 --> 00:13:26.899
I LEARNED IT THROUGH THE PROCESS
OF GOING THROUGH A NIGHT SEASON
00:13:26.999 --> 00:13:28.066
MYSELF.
00:13:28.166 --> 00:13:30.300
BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT
DON'T GET SO CAUGHT UP
00:13:30.400 --> 00:13:32.866
WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S
GOING ON BUT UNDERSTAND
00:13:32.966 --> 00:13:34.567
THAT THIS IS
FOR YOUR GOOD.
00:13:34.667 --> 00:13:35.633
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:13:35.733 --> 00:13:39.400
AND WE SO HAVE CONFUSED
EMOTION FOR DEVOTION
00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:40.999
THAT WHEN WE HIT THOSE NIGHT
SEASONS, WE'RE LIKE,
00:13:41.099 --> 00:13:42.900
SHOOT, WHAT ON
EARTH HAPPENED?
00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.567
HOW DID I GET HERE,
HOW DO I GET OUT?
00:13:44.667 --> 00:13:46.033
WHAT DID I DO WRONG?
00:13:46.133 --> 00:13:48.366
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I'D
STAY IN THIS HAPPY SPACE.
00:13:48.466 --> 00:13:48.900
NO.
00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:50.633
THE NIGHT COMES.
00:13:50.733 --> 00:13:53.167
THE NIGHT WAS ONE OF THE
ORIGINAL RESIDENTS IN EDEN,
00:13:53.267 --> 00:13:54.599
EVEN BEFORE SIN.
00:13:54.699 --> 00:13:57.833
BEFORE PROBLEMS, BEFORE
DRAMA, BEFORE TRAUMA.
00:13:57.933 --> 00:14:00.666
THE NIGHT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS
GOD LOOKED AT AND HE SAID,
00:14:00.766 --> 00:14:02.133
OH, THIS IS GOOD.
00:14:02.233 --> 00:14:03.333
THIS IS GOOD.
00:14:03.433 --> 00:14:05.799
THIS IS HOW I'M GOING TO
PATTERN MY DAYS FOR MY PEOPLE.
00:14:05.899 --> 00:14:08.066
SO FROM THE
VERY BEGINNING,
00:14:08.166 --> 00:14:11.667
FOLLOWING GOD REQUIRED
DAY FAITH AND NIGHT FAITH.
00:14:11.767 --> 00:14:13.300
WE NEED BOTH.
00:14:13.400 --> 00:14:14.966
REBECCA: TALK ABOUT
DISILLUSIONMENT.
00:14:15.066 --> 00:14:16.266
DR. CHOLE: MM-HM, YES.
00:14:16.366 --> 00:14:19.400
SO DISILLUSIONMENT IS ONE OF MY
VERY, VERY FAVORITE WORDS.
00:14:19.500 --> 00:14:22.600
I HAD A WONDERFUL TIME IN
MY DOCTORAL DISSERTATION STUDIES
00:14:22.700 --> 00:14:24.433
JUST GETTING
TO REALLY DISSECT IT.
00:14:24.533 --> 00:14:28.033
WHAT THE WORD MEANS IS
THE LOSING, THE NEGATION,
00:14:28.133 --> 00:14:30.466
OF FALSE IDEAS AND IDEALS.
00:14:30.566 --> 00:14:32.767
SO WHEN WE WALK THROUGH A
TIME OF DISILLUSIONMENT,
00:14:32.867 --> 00:14:35.200
THERE'S SOMETHING WE THOUGHT
WE KNEW THAT WE REALIZED,
00:14:35.300 --> 00:14:38.633
MM, THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE
OR IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE TRUE.
00:14:38.733 --> 00:14:41.033
AND WE INITIALLY
MAY SEE IT AS LOSS.
00:14:41.133 --> 00:14:43.333
BUT THE FACT IS, EVERY
TIME YOU LOSE AN ILLUSION,
00:14:43.433 --> 00:14:46.633
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO GAIN A REALITY.
00:14:46.733 --> 00:14:48.700
SO YEAH, JESUS IS
NOT SANTA CLAUS.
00:14:48.800 --> 00:14:51.533
WELCOME TO REALITY.
00:14:51.633 --> 00:14:53.367
BUT HE IS GOOD.
00:14:53.467 --> 00:14:54.533
AND HE IS WITH YOU.
00:14:54.633 --> 00:14:57.566
AND THERE, HIS PRESENCE
IS MORE PRECIOUS
00:14:57.666 --> 00:15:00.400
THAN ANY ANSWER WE COULD
EVER, EVER RECEIVE.
00:15:00.500 --> 00:15:03.066
SO WE LOSE THESE
ILLUSIONS ABOUT GOD.
00:15:03.166 --> 00:15:06.033
WE LOSE THESE ILLUSIONS
ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO FOLLOW HIM.
00:15:06.133 --> 00:15:08.366
WE LOSE THESE ILLUSIONS
ABOUT ONE ANOTHER.
00:15:08.466 --> 00:15:11.233
AND WE GAIN THE KIND OF
REALITY THAT YOU CAN
00:15:11.333 --> 00:15:13.299
REALLY BUILD LOVE ON.
00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:14.500
REBECCA: UGH,
IT'S SO POWERFUL.
00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.066
THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT
DIRECTIONS I COULD TAKE IT.
00:15:17.166 --> 00:15:21.499
BUT THINKING ABOUT
DISILLUSIONMENTS WITH OTHERS,
00:15:21.599 --> 00:15:23.700
THAT CAN BE
VERY DISAPPOINTING.
00:15:23.800 --> 00:15:25.133
DR. CHOLE:
OH, MY WORD, YES.
00:15:25.233 --> 00:15:26.233
REBECCA: ESPECIALLY IF
YOU LOOK UP TO SOMEONE.
00:15:26.333 --> 00:15:27.266
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:15:27.366 --> 00:15:29.700
REBECCA: BUT IT MIGHT
ACTUALLY BE A GIFT.
00:15:29.800 --> 00:15:32.400
DR. CHOLE:
YES, TO BE HUMAN --
00:15:32.500 --> 00:15:33.100
YES.
00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:34.466
WE WALK ALONGSIDE --
00:15:34.566 --> 00:15:35.566
REBECCA: -- AND NOT
MAKE THEM YOUR SOURCE.
00:15:35.666 --> 00:15:36.700
DR. CHOLE: THAT'S RIGHT,
THAT'S RIGHT.
00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:39.700
THEY'RE JUST A FELLOW
PERSON WALKING ALONGSIDE,
00:15:39.800 --> 00:15:40.933
JUST AS HUMAN AS WE ARE.
00:15:41.033 --> 00:15:44.367
JESUS DIED FOR THEM JUST
AS MUCH AS HE DID FOR US.
00:15:44.467 --> 00:15:46.433
AS I WAS SAYING
A LITTLE WHILE AGO
00:15:46.533 --> 00:15:51.667
THAT BEING WOUNDED IN
THE FAMILY OF GOD IS A GIVEN.
00:15:51.767 --> 00:15:53.600
WE ARE HUMANS.
00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:55.733
WE ARE BROKEN PEOPLE
WALKING TOGETHER,
00:15:55.833 --> 00:15:57.933
BEING WOUNDED IS A GIVEN.
00:15:58.033 --> 00:16:01.166
BUT BEING INFECTED
IS A CHOICE.
00:16:01.266 --> 00:16:02.367
AND THAT'S WHERE
THE WORK IS.
00:16:02.467 --> 00:16:04.966
WE KEEP TRYING TO PUT
OUR ENERGY INTO AVOIDING WOUNDS,
00:16:05.066 --> 00:16:06.699
WHICH IS WHY
PEOPLE KEEP BAILING ON CHURCH
00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.033
AND BAILING
ON EACH OTHER
00:16:08.133 --> 00:16:09.600
AND DECIDING THEY DON'T WANT
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH,
00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:11.400
THEY'RE JUST INTO JESUS.
00:16:11.500 --> 00:16:14.033
BUT CHRISTIANITY IS NOT
OFFERED FOR INDEPENDENT STUDY.
00:16:14.133 --> 00:16:16.199
IT'S JUST NOT ONE OF THE
OPTIONS THAT'S GIVEN.
00:16:16.299 --> 00:16:18.800
AND SO BEING
WOUNDED IS A GIVEN.
00:16:18.900 --> 00:16:21.666
BUT BEING INFECTED, THAT'S
WHERE WE PUT OUR ENERGY,
00:16:21.766 --> 00:16:24.433
THAT WE ARE GOING TO
RESIST INFECTION.
00:16:24.533 --> 00:16:26.466
REBECCA: AND WHAT'S SO
POWERFUL ABOUT THAT IS
00:16:26.566 --> 00:16:28.533
WHEN WE FACE
DISILLUSIONMENTS
00:16:28.633 --> 00:16:30.700
FOR PEOPLE IN OUR LIVES,
IT'S OUR CHOICE.
00:16:30.800 --> 00:16:32.233
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S
CHOICE TO BE INFECTED,
00:16:32.333 --> 00:16:34.333
IT'S OUR CHOICE TO
BE OFFENDED BY IT
00:16:34.433 --> 00:16:38.033
OR DISAPPOINTED BY THAT AND
STAY IN THAT NEGATIVE SPACE.
00:16:38.133 --> 00:16:41.167
I GUESS YOU GIVE THE
DISILLUSIONMENTS TO GOD.
00:16:41.267 --> 00:16:41.866
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:16:41.966 --> 00:16:42.966
AND HONESTY.
00:16:43.066 --> 00:16:45.367
HONESTY IS A FRIEND
OF INTIMACY WITH GOD.
00:16:45.467 --> 00:16:47.067
YOU DON'T HAVE TO
STUFF YOUR QUESTIONS.
00:16:47.167 --> 00:16:48.866
YOU DON'T HAVE TO
SPEND YOUR DOUBTS.
00:16:48.966 --> 00:16:50.966
DOUBT DOESN'T THIN GOD.
00:16:51.066 --> 00:16:53.167
PRAISE DOESN'T
THICKEN HIM.
00:16:53.267 --> 00:16:54.299
HE'S INFINITE.
00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:56.633
HE'S INFINITELY PRESENT
IN EVERY SINGLE MOMENT.
00:16:56.733 --> 00:16:59.999
AND SO WHAT WE BRING TO
THE TABLE IS HONESTY.
00:17:00.099 --> 00:17:01.499
GOD, THIS STINKS.
00:17:01.599 --> 00:17:03.033
THIS HURTS.
00:17:03.133 --> 00:17:05.367
I'M NOT SURE HOW TO
RECOVER FROM THIS.
00:17:05.467 --> 00:17:07.300
AND I KNOW YOU'RE WITH ME.
00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.566
IT'S OUR HONESTY THAT
LEADS TO GREATER INTIMACY.
00:17:10.666 --> 00:17:13.566
SO WHATEVER THE NIGHT IS,
WHATEVER ITS SOURCE IS,
00:17:13.666 --> 00:17:16.067
IF WE CAN FIND THE COURAGE
TO BE HONEST ABOUT IT
00:17:16.167 --> 00:17:18.133
AND FACE JESUS LIKE
MARY AND MARTHA DID,
00:17:18.233 --> 00:17:20.733
IF YOU HAD BEEN HERE, MY
BROTHER WOULDN'T HAVE DIED.
00:17:20.833 --> 00:17:22.333
HELLO, WHERE WERE YOU?
00:17:22.433 --> 00:17:24.700
THEY FACED JESUS WITH
THEIR QUESTIONS,
00:17:24.800 --> 00:17:26.933
WITH THEIR PAIN,
WITH THEIR NIGHT.
00:17:27.033 --> 00:17:29.766
AND HE HAD TEARS
ROLLING DOWN HIS CHEEKS
00:17:29.866 --> 00:17:31.900
AND WENT WITH THEM
TO THE GRAVE.
00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:32.766
REBECCA: YEAH.
00:17:32.866 --> 00:17:34.166
DR. CHOLE: AND SO
THAT'S OUR JESUS.
00:17:34.266 --> 00:17:37.867
OUR HONESTY IS THE KEY TO THE
NEXT STEP OF INTIMACY WITH HIM.
00:17:37.967 --> 00:17:39.700
AND THE NIGHT IS
A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY
00:17:39.800 --> 00:17:41.133
TO GET REALLY HONEST.
00:17:41.233 --> 00:17:42.899
REBECCA: WHAT'S
SO INTERESTING IS,
00:17:42.999 --> 00:17:45.867
I'M CURRENTLY IN THIS SEASON OF
ACTUALLY WALKING THIS OUT
00:17:45.967 --> 00:17:46.900
WITH THE LORD.
00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:48.733
I WAS JUST SEEING THINGS
COME UP IN ME
00:17:48.833 --> 00:17:52.667
AND I REMEMBER HIM TELLING ME,
ALLOW ME TO HEAL YOU.
00:17:52.767 --> 00:17:54.333
STOP TRYING TO
FIX IT YOURSELF,
00:17:54.433 --> 00:17:56.066
STOP TRYING TO GO
OUT TO FIND SOMEONE,
00:17:56.166 --> 00:17:57.700
NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE
IN WORKING WITH SOMEONE,
00:17:57.800 --> 00:18:00.533
I TOTALLY BELIEVE IN
WORKING WITH COUNSELORS,
00:18:00.633 --> 00:18:03.266
GOOD BELIEVING COUNSELORS.
00:18:03.366 --> 00:18:05.867
BUT, HE SAID,
ALLOW ME TO HEAL YOU.
00:18:05.967 --> 00:18:08.199
AND WHEN STUFF BEGAN
TO POP UP IN ME,
00:18:08.299 --> 00:18:11.533
WHETHER IT WAS ANXIETY
OR ANGER OR HURT,
00:18:11.633 --> 00:18:14.233
I JUST STARTED GETTING REALLY
HONEST WITH GOD IMMEDIATELY.
00:18:14.333 --> 00:18:15.733
I IMMEDIATELY
STARTED PRAYING.
00:18:15.833 --> 00:18:17.800
I WASN'T CONTEMPLATING
ON WHAT I WAS FEELING.
00:18:17.900 --> 00:18:19.899
I STARTED TALKING
OUT TO GOD.
00:18:19.999 --> 00:18:24.066
AND I WOULD, FOR EXAMPLE,
SOMEONE WAS REALLY BAD TO ME,
00:18:24.166 --> 00:18:25.533
AND I WAS
JUST SO HONEST,
00:18:25.633 --> 00:18:27.933
THE STUFF THAT WE'RE TOLD
MAYBE NOT TO EVEN FEEL,
00:18:28.033 --> 00:18:30.067
AND I SAID, I
HATE THIS PERSON.
00:18:30.167 --> 00:18:31.500
WHICH I HATE SAYING
THAT OUT LOUD,
00:18:31.600 --> 00:18:33.200
BUT I WAS JUST HONEST.
00:18:33.300 --> 00:18:34.966
THE MOMENT I BEGAN TO
BE HONEST WITH HIM,
00:18:35.066 --> 00:18:36.366
IN ANY OF THESE
SITUATIONS,
00:18:36.466 --> 00:18:40.966
I WOULD FEEL AS THE NEGATIVE
WOULD FLOW OUT LIKE A RIVER,
00:18:41.066 --> 00:18:42.666
I'D FEEL
HIS PRESENCE FLOW IN.
00:18:42.766 --> 00:18:45.033
AND SOMETIMES HE WOULD
GIVE ME UNDERSTANDING,
00:18:45.133 --> 00:18:46.667
HE WOULD SPEAK TO ME
ABOUT THE SITUATION.
00:18:46.767 --> 00:18:48.633
SOMETIMES I WOULD JUST
FEEL HIS PRESENCE,
00:18:48.733 --> 00:18:50.299
BUT THAT WOULD ALL GO.
00:18:50.399 --> 00:18:52.266
AND IT'S BEEN SO
POWERFUL TO SEE THAT,
00:18:52.366 --> 00:18:55.167
LIKE THE PSALMS, WHEN
WE'RE HONEST WITH GOD
00:18:55.267 --> 00:18:57.499
ABOUT WHAT WE'RE FEELING AND
WE DON'T TRY TO SUGARCOAT IT,
00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.666
WE DON'T
TRY TO SELF-CORRECT,
00:18:59.766 --> 00:19:02.333
THERE CAN BE TRUE HEALING
THAT TAKES PLACE.
00:19:02.433 --> 00:19:03.266
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:19:03.366 --> 00:19:04.333
WELL, ONE OTHER THING
THAT'S HAPPENING
00:19:04.433 --> 00:19:06.466
WHEN WE'RE HONEST AND
WE'RE BUILDING TRUST.
00:19:06.566 --> 00:19:08.433
ANOTHER AMAZING THING
THAT MY DAD DID WITH ME,
00:19:08.533 --> 00:19:10.300
HE WOULD ASK ME IF
I HAD ANY QUESTIONS.
00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:11.533
EVER SINCE I WAS LITTLE.
00:19:11.633 --> 00:19:13.166
HE WOULD SAY, WHAT'S
THE DAUGHTER THINKING?
00:19:13.266 --> 00:19:15.033
I'M THE ONLY CHILD, BUT
HE CALLS ME THE DAUGHTER.
00:19:15.133 --> 00:19:16.066
WHAT'S THE
DAUGHTER THINKING?
00:19:16.166 --> 00:19:17.900
OH, MY GOODNESS, I WOULD
TELL HIM EVERYTHING.
00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:19.200
ALL OF MY ANGST,
ALL OF MY QUESTIONS,
00:19:19.300 --> 00:19:22.533
ALL OF MY CONCERNS, ALL THE
THINGS I WAS JUST FIERY ABOUT.
00:19:22.633 --> 00:19:25.499
WE WOULD PROCESS QUESTIONS
TO THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING.
00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.000
I DON'T REMEMBER
ONE ANSWER.
00:19:28.100 --> 00:19:30.399
BUT I REMEMBER THE
SAFETY OF ASKING.
00:19:30.499 --> 00:19:33.300
I REMEMBER THE SAFETY
OF TELLING THE TRUTH.
00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:36.733
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO IN THE NIGHT.
00:19:36.833 --> 00:19:40.000
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
BE HONEST AND TO DISCOVER
00:19:40.100 --> 00:19:43.933
THAT HE DOESN'T PULL BACK
FROM HONESTY, HE PRESSES IN.
00:19:44.033 --> 00:19:45.833
HONESTY IS A KEY.
00:19:45.933 --> 00:19:49.633
IT BUILDS TRUST AND IT
ACTUALLY BUILDS HOPE.
00:19:49.733 --> 00:19:51.133
REBECCA: FOR
ME PERSONALLY,
00:19:51.233 --> 00:19:55.233
I THINK QUESTIONING GOD
AND DOUBTING IS SOMETHING
00:19:55.333 --> 00:19:59.767
I GET WORRIED ABOUT,
BUT THAT'S OKAY.
00:19:59.867 --> 00:20:01.367
IT'S NOT GOING
TO OFFEND GOD.
00:20:01.467 --> 00:20:02.833
DR. CHOLE:
JOHN THE BAPTIST,
00:20:02.933 --> 00:20:05.833
HE PROCLAIMED THAT JESUS
WAS THE LAMB OF GOD
00:20:05.933 --> 00:20:08.966
IN THE COOL WATERS OF THE
JORDAN, THEN HE WAS ARRESTED.
00:20:09.066 --> 00:20:11.333
AND WHAT DID HE DO RIGHT
IN THAT HORRIBLE PRISON,
00:20:11.433 --> 00:20:13.266
THAT HORRIBLE
LIGHTLESS PRISON?
00:20:13.366 --> 00:20:16.033
HE SENT HIS DISCIPLES TO
ASK JESUS A QUESTION.
00:20:16.133 --> 00:20:18.733
HE SAID, HEY, ARE YOU
THE ONE I WAS WAITING FOR
00:20:18.833 --> 00:20:20.533
OR SHOULD I WAIT FOR
SOMEBODY ELSE?
00:20:20.633 --> 00:20:24.233
HE QUESTIONED THE
IDENTITY OF JESUS.
00:20:24.333 --> 00:20:25.933
AND IT WAS AFTER THAT THAT
JESUS SAID HE WAS
00:20:26.033 --> 00:20:27.433
THE GREATEST BORN AMONG WOMEN.
00:20:27.533 --> 00:20:28.600
HE DIDN'T WITHDRAW.
00:20:28.700 --> 00:20:30.100
HE SAID THIS,
THIS IS A MAN.
00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:31.766
THIS IS A MAN OF GOD.
00:20:31.866 --> 00:20:36.300
HE EXPRESSED HIMSELF
HONESTLY AND HE FACED JESUS
00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:37.499
WITH THE PAIN.
00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:39.233
AND THAT'S WHAT
WE NEED TO DO.
00:20:39.333 --> 00:20:41.167
WHAT HAPPENS IS, EVEN
IF WE CAN GET HONEST,
00:20:41.267 --> 00:20:45.100
WE TURN OUR BACKS TOWARD
GOD AND WE FACE SOMEWHERE ELSE
00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.200
WITH THE PAIN.
00:20:46.300 --> 00:20:48.833
BUT IF WE CAN DEVELOP THE
HABIT OF, THIS HURTS,
00:20:48.933 --> 00:20:51.633
THIS IS WHAT IS HURTING,
AND I'M SENDING MY QUESTIONS
00:20:51.733 --> 00:20:53.866
STRAIGHT TO YOU, JESUS.
00:20:53.966 --> 00:20:56.599
ARE YOU THE ONE I WAS WAITING
FOR OR IS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE
00:20:56.699 --> 00:20:58.433
I SHOULD WAIT FOR?
00:20:58.533 --> 00:21:00.667
AND WE WAIT FOR
JESUS' RESPONSE.
00:21:00.767 --> 00:21:02.767
HE OPENS HIS HEART.
00:21:02.867 --> 00:21:05.700
HE OPENS HIS ARMS TO
RECEIVE THE HONEST,
00:21:05.800 --> 00:21:08.166
TO RECEIVE THOSE WITH THAT
CHILDLIKE FAITH, THAT SAY,
00:21:08.266 --> 00:21:10.533
THIS IS WHAT I SEE AND
THIS IS THE WAY IT IS,
00:21:10.633 --> 00:21:12.667
AND I'M BRINGING IT
STRAIGHT TO YOU.
00:21:12.767 --> 00:21:13.733
REBECCA:
THAT'S SO GOOD.
00:21:13.833 --> 00:21:15.700
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
DISILLUSIONMENT WITH GOD.
00:21:15.800 --> 00:21:17.733
WHEN I WAS THINKING
ABOUT THE NIGHT,
00:21:17.833 --> 00:21:20.267
DISILLUSIONMENT WITH GOD,
THE SCRIPTURE THAT CAME TO ME
00:21:20.367 --> 00:21:22.633
WAS GENESIS 15
WITH ABRAHAM.
00:21:22.733 --> 00:21:24.466
AND IT SAYS, AFTER
THESE THINGS,
00:21:24.566 --> 00:21:26.533
THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME
TO ABRAHAM IN A VISION:
00:21:26.633 --> 00:21:28.500
FEAR NOT, ABRAHAM,
I AM YOUR SHIELD,
00:21:28.600 --> 00:21:30.666
YOUR REWARD SHALL
BE VERY GREAT.
00:21:30.766 --> 00:21:32.333
BUT ABRAHAM
SAID, O LORD GOD,
00:21:32.433 --> 00:21:35.067
WHAT WILL YOU GIVE ME,
FOR I CONTINUE CHILDLESS,
00:21:35.167 --> 00:21:37.933
AND THE HEIR OF MY HOUSE
IS ELEAZAR OF DAMASCUS.
00:21:38.033 --> 00:21:40.600
AND ABRAHAM SAID -- AND
ABRAM SAID, BEHOLD,
00:21:40.700 --> 00:21:43.800
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME NO OFFSPRING
AND A MEMBER OF MY HOUSEHOLD
00:21:43.900 --> 00:21:45.133
WILL BE MY HEIR.
00:21:45.233 --> 00:21:47.366
AND BEHOLD, THE WORD OF
THE LORD CAME TO HIM.
00:21:47.466 --> 00:21:49.300
THIS MAN SHALL
NOT BE YOUR HEIR.
00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.300
YOUR VERY OWN SON
SHALL BE YOUR HEIR.
00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.166
AND HE BROUGHT HIM
OUTSIDE AND SAID,
00:21:54.266 --> 00:21:56.699
LOOK TOWARD HEAVEN AND
NUMBER THE STARS
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:58.933
IF YOU'RE ABLE
TO NUMBER THEM.
00:21:59.033 --> 00:22:02.166
THEN HE SAID TO HIM, SO
SHALL YOUR OFFSPRING BE.
00:22:02.266 --> 00:22:04.433
AND HE BELIEVED THE LORD,
AND THE LORD COUNTED TO HIM
00:22:04.533 --> 00:22:05.533
AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
00:22:05.633 --> 00:22:07.333
AND THAT GOES
BACK TO FAITH.
00:22:07.433 --> 00:22:10.566
BUT IT'S SUCH A POWERFUL
SCRIPTURE BECAUSE ABRAHAM,
00:22:10.666 --> 00:22:12.333
AND AT THIS POINT,
I CALL HIM ABRAHAM,
00:22:12.433 --> 00:22:14.866
IT'S ACTUALLY ABRAM -- GOD
HASN'T CHANGED HIS NAME YET --
00:22:14.966 --> 00:22:16.833
BUT HE
PROMISES HIM AN HEIR,
00:22:16.933 --> 00:22:19.399
AND HERE HE IS IN HIS OLD AGE
UNABLE, HIM AND SARAH,
00:22:19.499 --> 00:22:21.766
TO HAVE CHILDREN, PAST THE
ABILITY TO HAVE CHILDREN.
00:22:21.866 --> 00:22:25.500
AND HE'S HONEST WITH GOD
AND HE'S SAYING, GOD,
00:22:25.600 --> 00:22:26.867
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?
00:22:26.967 --> 00:22:30.433
AND GOD TAKES HIM OUT IN
THE NIGHT TO LOOK AT THE STARS
00:22:30.533 --> 00:22:34.566
AND SAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
AS MANY OFFPSRING AS THE STARS,
00:22:34.666 --> 00:22:35.900
IF YOU CAN
EVEN COUNT IT.
00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.800
AND WHAT GOD DOES IS SO MUCH
BIGGER THAN EVEN OUR MINDS
00:22:38.900 --> 00:22:40.966
CAN HUMANLY UNDERSTAND.
00:22:41.066 --> 00:22:43.600
BUT THAT IT'S OKAY, HE
QUESTIONED THE LORD
00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:46.633
AND BROUGHT HIM HIS WORRIES
AND GOD SHOWED HIM THE PROMISE.
00:22:46.733 --> 00:22:49.300
BUT ABRAHAM HAD TO
BELIEVE IN THE NIGHT.
00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:50.800
DR. CHOLE:
YES, ABSOLUTELY.
00:22:50.900 --> 00:22:54.266
THAT BEAUTIFUL COMBINATION
EXPRESSING HONESTLY
00:22:54.366 --> 00:22:56.700
WHAT'S INSIDE MY HEART,
AND I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE
00:22:56.800 --> 00:22:57.666
THAT YOU WERE GOOD.
00:22:57.766 --> 00:22:58.766
THERE IT IS.
00:22:58.866 --> 00:23:02.466
THAT'S THE DUET WE'VE GOT
TO SING IN THE NIGHT.
00:23:02.566 --> 00:23:04.966
HONESTY AND TRUST.
00:23:05.066 --> 00:23:08.133
REBECCA: YOU'VE HAD YOUR
FAIR SHARE OF NIGHT SEASONS.
00:23:08.233 --> 00:23:10.466
AND ONE THAT'S BEEN
VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU
00:23:10.566 --> 00:23:12.366
HAS BEEN
GOING THROUGH CANCER.
00:23:12.466 --> 00:23:14.500
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR
OWN DISILLUSIONMENTS
00:23:14.600 --> 00:23:15.967
THROUGH THAT NIGHT SEASON?
00:23:16.067 --> 00:23:16.867
DR. CHOLE: SURE.
00:23:16.967 --> 00:23:17.800
WELL, IT WAS AROUND
TEN YEARS AGO
00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:20.199
WHEN A SCAN REVEALED
BREAST CANCER.
00:23:20.299 --> 00:23:22.467
IT WAS THANKFULLY
ONLY STAGE I.
00:23:22.567 --> 00:23:24.533
IT HAD DEFINITELY
JOLTED OUR FAMILY.
00:23:24.633 --> 00:23:27.033
NO HISTORY,
NO EXPECTATIONS.
00:23:27.133 --> 00:23:28.333
WHEN I WALKED
INTO THAT SCAN,
00:23:28.433 --> 00:23:30.833
I HAD NO FEAR WHATSOEVER.
00:23:30.933 --> 00:23:33.433
AND SO THERE WAS AN
INITIAL PROCEDURE THAT WE DID.
00:23:33.533 --> 00:23:36.899
AND EVERYTHING
WAS LOOKING GOOD,
00:23:36.999 --> 00:23:38.500
THE BLOODWORK
WAS LOOKING GOOD.
00:23:38.600 --> 00:23:43.666
AND SO FIVE YEARS LATER, AFTER
EVERY SIX-MONTH SCANS AND TESTS,
00:23:43.766 --> 00:23:46.266
WE WERE GOING IN FOR OUR
CELEBRATION LAP.
00:23:46.366 --> 00:23:47.566
AND THIS IS THE
FIVE-YEAR ALL CLEAR
00:23:47.666 --> 00:23:49.966
THAT ALL CANCER PATIENTS
WAIT FOR.
00:23:50.066 --> 00:23:53.099
AND WE WERE SO EXCITED TO
CALL THE FAMILY AND SAY,
00:23:53.199 --> 00:23:54.566
HEY, THERE IT IS.
00:23:54.666 --> 00:23:56.033
EVERYTHING WAS CLEAR.
00:23:56.133 --> 00:23:58.400
AND THE RADIOLOGIST
CAME IN AND SAID,
00:23:58.500 --> 00:23:59.733
I AM SO SORRY.
00:23:59.833 --> 00:24:03.333
I KNOW THIS IS YOUR
FIFTH YEAR OF CELEBRATION.
00:24:03.433 --> 00:24:04.733
BUT THERE'S MORE CANCER.
00:24:04.833 --> 00:24:06.199
IT'S RETURNED.
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:11.467
AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE
THE GUT PUNCH THAT WE FELT
00:24:11.567 --> 00:24:14.933
WHEN CANCER MOVED FROM BEING
THIS HORRIBLE ONE-TIME VISITOR
00:24:15.033 --> 00:24:16.500
THAT YOU'RE GLAD LEFT
00:24:16.600 --> 00:24:19.100
TO ALMOST FEELING
MORE LIKE A STALKER
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.533
AND HOW THAT HAS
SHAPED MY CHILDREN,
00:24:21.633 --> 00:24:23.800
HOW IT HAS
SHAPED OUR FAMILY.
00:24:23.900 --> 00:24:26.733
AND GOD IS GOOD.
00:24:26.833 --> 00:24:28.533
GOD IS NEAR.
00:24:28.633 --> 00:24:31.766
AND THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE THAT
WE HAVE MET THROUGH THIS PROCESS
00:24:31.866 --> 00:24:33.300
AND BEEN ABLE
TO SHARE HIS LOVE WITH
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:35.033
THAT I WOULD HAVE HAD
NO REASON WHATSOEVER
00:24:35.133 --> 00:24:37.367
TO EVEN
BRUSH SHOULDERS WITH.
00:24:37.467 --> 00:24:39.833
HE NEVER WASTES THE NIGHT.
00:24:39.933 --> 00:24:44.166
AND SO WE LIVE IT STARING
INTO HIS EYES AND BEING CLOSE.
00:24:44.266 --> 00:24:49.399
AND ALSO BEING AWARE OF WHO PAIN
PLACES US IN PROXIMITY TO.
00:24:49.499 --> 00:24:52.900
THEIR SOULS ARE
WORTH OUR NIGHTS.
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.800
REBECCA: WHILE THE DARK MAY
PROMPT US TO PRAY FOR RELIEF,
00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:58.433
HEALING, AND
RESTORATION AND DELIVERANCE,
00:24:58.533 --> 00:25:01.267
WE MUST BE CAREFUL
NOT TO HOPE IN THEM,
00:25:01.367 --> 00:25:04.500
BUT INSTEAD IN THE
GOD WHO IS ABLE TO KEEP US,
00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:07.899
EVEN IF ALLEVIATION FOR OUR
DISILLUSIONMENT DOESN'T COME.
00:25:07.999 --> 00:25:09.166
DR. CHOLE: MM-HM.
00:25:09.266 --> 00:25:10.699
REBECCA: AND I THINK ONE OF
THE THINGS I'M LEARNING IS,
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.066
NOT TO PRAY
AND FOCUS ONLY ON OUTCOMES
00:25:15.166 --> 00:25:17.233
AND THE CHANGING OF THE
SITUATIONS WE'RE IN,
00:25:17.333 --> 00:25:18.566
THE NIGHT SEASONS
WE'RE IN,
00:25:18.666 --> 00:25:21.566
BUT CONSISTENTLY KEEPING
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM
00:25:21.666 --> 00:25:22.600
IS THE GOAL.
00:25:22.700 --> 00:25:24.633
HIS PRESENCE IS THE GOAL.
00:25:24.733 --> 00:25:27.299
AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE GOING
THROUGH SOMETHING DIFFICULT,
00:25:27.399 --> 00:25:31.566
THE NORMAL REACTION IS TO
WANT IT TO GO AWAY
00:25:31.666 --> 00:25:33.333
OR YOU
WANT TO RUN.
00:25:33.433 --> 00:25:36.866
SO HOW DOES SOMEONE
CONTEND IN THE NIGHT?
00:25:36.966 --> 00:25:38.266
DR. CHOLE: MM-HM, YES.
00:25:38.366 --> 00:25:42.033
WE KEEP WANTING
GARDEN OF EDEN CHRISTIANITY
00:25:42.133 --> 00:25:45.500
IN A
GARDEN OF GETHSEMANE AGE.
00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:48.100
THE FALL AFFECTS US ALL.
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.733
AND SO IN SOME SENSE WE HAVE TO
NORMALIZE THAT NIGHT.
00:25:52.833 --> 00:25:54.733
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US IS
WALKING THROUGH SOMETHING,
00:25:54.833 --> 00:25:57.933
EVERY PERSON YOU WALK BY IS
WALKING IN THE MIDST
00:25:58.033 --> 00:25:59.433
OF SOMETHING.
00:25:59.533 --> 00:26:01.166
SO HOW DO WE CONTEND?
00:26:01.266 --> 00:26:03.933
WE GO BACK TO OUR CALL.
00:26:04.033 --> 00:26:06.733
WE FOLLOW HIM.
00:26:06.833 --> 00:26:10.066
WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO
STARE AT HIM, GAZE AT HIM,
00:26:10.166 --> 00:26:14.933
INTENTIONALLY KEEP CLOSE
TO HIM IN HIS WORD,
00:26:15.033 --> 00:26:17.033
WITH HIS PAINFUL PEOPLE.
00:26:17.133 --> 00:26:19.967
IN THE DAY AND
IN THE NIGHT.
00:26:20.067 --> 00:26:24.899
HOW YOU ARE GOING TO CONTEND IS
THE SAME WAY HE CALLED YOU.
00:26:24.999 --> 00:26:27.000
BE WITH HIM.
00:26:27.100 --> 00:26:29.633
CHOOSE TO BE WITH HIM.
00:26:29.733 --> 00:26:31.100
YOU DON'T HAVE
TO FEEL GREAT.
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.199
YOU DON'T HAVE
TO FEEL ANYTHING.
00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:36.266
BUT BY FAITH, YOU SAY, I
KNOW THAT YOU'RE WITH ME
00:26:36.366 --> 00:26:38.033
IN THIS FALLEN WORLD.
00:26:38.133 --> 00:26:40.300
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NEAR.
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:43.933
AND WE KEEP LEARNING
HIM, STARING AT HIM,
00:26:44.033 --> 00:26:46.933
IN HIS LIVING WORD.
00:26:47.033 --> 00:26:49.700
AND IT WILL BE ENOUGH.
00:26:49.800 --> 00:26:51.633
BUT WHAT HAPPENS
IS SATAN COMES,
00:26:51.733 --> 00:26:54.933
AND HE INCITES US TO BAIL
RIGHT ON THE EDGE
00:26:55.033 --> 00:26:58.800
OF SOME OF THE GREATEST GROWTH
CURVES WE WOULD EVER KNOW.
00:26:58.900 --> 00:26:59.999
HE SAYS, OH, YOU'RE
FEELING THIS,
00:27:00.099 --> 00:27:01.033
YOU MUST HAVE DONE
SOMETHING WRONG.
00:27:01.133 --> 00:27:02.699
JUST LIKE
JOB'S COMFORTERS.
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:04.067
OH, WOW, ARE
YOU IN A MESS.
00:27:04.167 --> 00:27:07.299
WHAT SECRET SIN DID YOU DO
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DARK?
00:27:07.399 --> 00:27:10.133
JOB, WHAT WAY
DID YOU GO WRONG?
00:27:10.233 --> 00:27:12.233
BECAUSE THIS SHOULD
NEVER HAPPEN TO ANYBODY.
00:27:12.333 --> 00:27:14.566
BUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN
JOB'S LIFE WAS INITIATED
00:27:14.666 --> 00:27:18.066
IN SPIRITUAL REALMS WAY
BEYOND HIS UNDERSTANDING.
00:27:18.166 --> 00:27:21.500
HIS RESPONSIBILITY WAS TO
KEEP BEING TRUTHFUL ABOUT GOD
00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:23.133
AND BEING
TRUTHFUL TO HIMSELF
00:27:23.233 --> 00:27:26.299
IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS
VERY, VERY LONG NIGHT.
00:27:26.399 --> 00:27:28.366
REBECCA: YOU WENT
THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS
00:27:28.466 --> 00:27:29.667
AND YOU WRITE
ABOUT IN YOUR BOOK
00:27:29.767 --> 00:27:33.033
HOW THAT WAS DIFFICULT BECAUSE
YOU WOULD RECEIVE THE CHILD,
00:27:33.133 --> 00:27:34.300
BUT THERE
WASN'T A GUARANTEE,
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.166
AND THOSE SO MANY WEEKS
THAT THE CHILD WAS YOURS.
00:27:37.266 --> 00:27:37.967
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
00:27:38.067 --> 00:27:39.167
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:27:39.267 --> 00:27:42.100
THERE IS A SAFETY THAT
IS PUT IN PLACE IN MOST STATES
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.566
WHERE WHEN A VERY
BRAVE BIRTH MOTHER DECIDES
00:27:45.666 --> 00:27:47.666
THAT SHE IS NOT ABLE TO
RAISE HER CHILD
00:27:47.766 --> 00:27:51.199
AND SHE PLACES THAT BABY IN
THE ARMS OF SOMEONE ELSE.
00:27:51.299 --> 00:27:53.133
THERE IS A WINDOW
AFTER THE BIRTH
00:27:53.233 --> 00:27:57.233
IN WHICH THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR
MIND FOR ALMOST ANY REASON.
00:27:57.333 --> 00:27:58.633
AND IT'S TO PROTECT THEM.
00:27:58.733 --> 00:28:00.400
IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT
THEIR DECISION WASN'T JUST
00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:02.033
EMOTIONALLY MOTIVATED.
00:28:02.133 --> 00:28:03.567
IT'S TO GIVE
THEM SOME TIME.
00:28:03.667 --> 00:28:06.266
AND SO YOU
RECEIVE THE BABY.
00:28:06.366 --> 00:28:08.233
AND YOU ARE CARRYING THE
BABY, LOVING THE BABY,
00:28:08.333 --> 00:28:10.599
YOU'VE GOT THE NURSERY,
YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING.
00:28:10.699 --> 00:28:13.933
AND THERE IS THIS QUESTION MARK
OVER THE PERMANENCE
00:28:14.033 --> 00:28:17.467
OF THAT STATE, AND MANY, MANY
PEOPLE THAT I'VE WALKED WITH
00:28:17.567 --> 00:28:19.533
HAVE, WHETHER IN
FOSTER SITUATIONS
00:28:19.633 --> 00:28:22.900
OR IN PRIVATE ADOPTIONS,
THEY'VE GONE THROUGH TIMES
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:24.733
WHERE WHAT THEY HOPED
WOULD BE PERMANENT
00:28:24.833 --> 00:28:26.667
WOUND UP BEING TEMPORARY.
00:28:26.767 --> 00:28:28.200
AND I REMEMBER
IN THE MIDDLE
00:28:28.300 --> 00:28:31.833
OF AN ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT
SITUATION, I WAS LIKE, LORD,
00:28:31.933 --> 00:28:33.767
ALL I WANT TO
DO IS PROTECT.
00:28:33.867 --> 00:28:35.033
I WANT TO PROTECT MYSELF.
00:28:35.133 --> 00:28:37.000
I ALMOST WANT TO
WITHHOLD MY LOVE
00:28:37.100 --> 00:28:39.466
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO
HURT SO BAD.
00:28:39.566 --> 00:28:41.533
AND THE LORD SAID,
OH, DO NOT WITHHOLD,
00:28:41.633 --> 00:28:42.767
DO NOT SELF-PROTECT.
00:28:42.867 --> 00:28:46.333
LOVE 150%, BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT I DO WITH YOU.
00:28:46.433 --> 00:28:48.867
I CHOOSE TO LOVE YOU
WITH ALL THAT I AM,
00:28:48.967 --> 00:28:51.700
AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEES
YOU'LL SAY YES TO FOLLOW ME.
00:28:51.800 --> 00:28:54.100
THERE'S NO GUARANTEES
YOU'LL SAY YES TO LOVE ME.
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.933
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE
THAT YOU WILL STAY.
00:28:57.033 --> 00:28:57.933
REBECCA: OOH.
00:28:58.033 --> 00:28:59.333
DR. CHOLE: SO FOLLOW
MY EXAMPLE AND LOVE
00:28:59.433 --> 00:29:00.967
WITH EVERYTHING THAT
YOU'VE GOT.
00:29:01.067 --> 00:29:02.033
AND SO I CHOSE.
00:29:02.133 --> 00:29:04.700
I REFUSE TO SPEND MY
ENERGY PROTECTING MYSELF.
00:29:04.800 --> 00:29:07.967
I'M GOING TO SPEND MY ENERGY
LOVING EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE.
00:29:08.067 --> 00:29:10.133
BECAUSE EVEN IF THIS CHILD
DOES NOT WIND UP
00:29:10.233 --> 00:29:14.499
BEING MY FOREVER CHILD,
HE OR SHE WILL BENEFIT
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.533
FROM HAVING BEEN
LOVED 150%.
00:29:18.633 --> 00:29:24.467
LOVE IS A RISKY THING,
BUT IT'S WORTH IT.
00:29:24.567 --> 00:29:26.833
REBECCA: IT MAKES ME
THINK ABOUT THAT -- WAIT,
00:29:26.933 --> 00:29:28.166
HOLD ON, THAT GOT ME.
00:29:28.266 --> 00:29:29.966
I KNEW I WAS GOING TO CRY --
00:29:30.066 --> 00:29:31.033
[ LAUGHING ]
00:29:31.133 --> 00:29:32.200
-- WHEN I WAS PREPARING
FOR THIS INTERVIEW.
00:29:32.300 --> 00:29:34.333
BECAUSE THIS IS SO REAL.
00:29:34.433 --> 00:29:35.299
[ SNIFFS ]
00:29:35.399 --> 00:29:40.099
AND I THINK IF
YOU FOLLOW GOD,
00:29:40.199 --> 00:29:45.967
YOU'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE
SOME REAL EMOTION.
00:29:46.067 --> 00:29:47.133
BUT IT IS WORTH IT.
00:29:47.233 --> 00:29:49.166
AND LOVE NEVER FAILS.
00:29:49.266 --> 00:29:51.367
I THINK THAT'S WILD JUST
SITTING THERE THINKING
00:29:51.467 --> 00:29:54.000
ABOUT HOW GOD ALLOWED YOU
TO EXPERIENCE
00:29:54.100 --> 00:29:56.367
I THINK WHAT HE HAS TO
EXPERIENCE WITH US.
00:29:56.467 --> 00:29:59.500
BECAUSE NOT ALL
SAY YES TO HIM.
00:29:59.600 --> 00:30:01.866
AND SO HE DOESN'T
GET TO KEEP ALL,
00:30:01.966 --> 00:30:03.633
EVEN THOUGH HE WOULD
WANT ALL OF US.
00:30:03.733 --> 00:30:05.766
AND YET HE
LOVED US ANYWAY.
00:30:05.866 --> 00:30:07.600
HE DIED FOR US ANYWAY.
00:30:07.700 --> 00:30:10.966
NOT WITH THEIR BEING
A GUARANTEE OF.
00:30:11.066 --> 00:30:15.766
BUT, AH, THAT'S
REALLY POWERFUL.
00:30:15.866 --> 00:30:23.400
I THINK THE TEMPTATION IS
TO CLOSE OFF YOUR HEART.
00:30:23.500 --> 00:30:26.733
AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE A
DECISION ON IT, TOO.
00:30:26.833 --> 00:30:28.599
DR. CHOLE: YES, YES.
00:30:28.699 --> 00:30:32.967
AND IN THE PROCESS
OF SKIN CARE,
00:30:33.067 --> 00:30:35.533
THERE'S THIS PROCESS OF
EXFOLIATION WHERE WE TAKE OFF
00:30:35.633 --> 00:30:39.066
THE OLD LAYERS SO THAT
THINGS CAN BE HEALTHIER.
00:30:39.166 --> 00:30:41.967
AND SELF-PROTECTION IS
ONE OF THOSE THINGS
00:30:42.067 --> 00:30:44.133
THAT PAIN
EXFOLIATES FROM US.
00:30:44.233 --> 00:30:46.133
IT GIVES US THE
OPPORTUNITY.
00:30:46.233 --> 00:30:49.033
IT REMOVES THE PAIN, GIVES
US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY,
00:30:49.133 --> 00:30:50.999
I REFUSE TO SELF-PROTECT.
00:30:51.099 --> 00:30:55.633
I WOULD RATHER BE VULNERABLE
AND WOUNDED IN YOUR PRESENCE
00:30:55.733 --> 00:30:58.967
THAN SELF-PROTECT
AND HARDEN MY HEART
00:30:59.067 --> 00:31:00.967
IN A COLD PLACE.
00:31:01.067 --> 00:31:04.567
I CHOOSE THE PAIN AND THE
RISK OF VULNERABILITY.
00:31:04.667 --> 00:31:05.833
REBECCA: YEAH.
00:31:05.933 --> 00:31:07.500
DR. CHOLE: BECAUSE YOU'RE SAFER
AND YOU'RE MORE BEAUTIFUL
00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:09.366
AND YOU'RE MORE PRECIOUS
AND YOU'RE MORE HOLY
00:31:09.466 --> 00:31:11.266
AND YOU'RE MORE LOVING THAN
ANYTHING ON THIS EARTH
00:31:11.366 --> 00:31:12.800
I COULD
POSSIBLY IMAGINE.
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:17.633
WE TAKE THAT POSTURE OF
VULNERABILITY AND WHAT WE FIND
00:31:17.733 --> 00:31:19.999
IS IT CARRIES US MORE
DEEPLY INTO LOVE
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:22.166
THAT WE COULD HAVE
EVER IMAGINED.
00:31:22.266 --> 00:31:25.199
REBECCA: BECAUSE THE TEMPTATION
IS TO PULL AWAY FROM GOD
00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:26.633
IN THE
NIGHT SEASONS.
00:31:26.733 --> 00:31:30.766
BUT IT'S ALWAYS WORTH IT WITH
HIM TO BE VULNERABLE WITH HIM.
00:31:30.866 --> 00:31:33.933
AND WITH THE PEOPLE
IN OUR LIVES, WE CAN,
00:31:34.033 --> 00:31:34.933
YOU TALK ABOUT THIS.
00:31:35.033 --> 00:31:36.566
YOU SAID, YOU
CAN ALWAYS LOVE,
00:31:36.666 --> 00:31:39.199
BUT THAT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY MEAN YOU TRUST.
00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:40.567
SO SPEAK TO THAT.
00:31:40.667 --> 00:31:41.900
DR. CHOLE: YES, YES.
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.567
WE ARE PLAGUED IN OUR CULTURE IN
INTERACTING WITH ONE ANOTHER,
00:31:45.667 --> 00:31:48.433
WE'RE TOLD, OH, IF YOU LOVE ME,
YOU'LL TRUST ME.
00:31:48.533 --> 00:31:49.800
WELL, THAT'S ABSURD.
00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:50.833
I'M SORRY.
00:31:50.933 --> 00:31:53.600
I CAN LOVE A RELATIVE
THAT I DON'T TRUST.
00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.733
I CAN TRUST A SURGEON
THAT I DON'T LOVE.
00:31:56.833 --> 00:31:58.499
THESE THINGS ARE
NOT SYNONYMOUS.
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.067
TRUST IS SOMETHING
THAT'S EARNED.
00:32:01.167 --> 00:32:05.399
AND SO GOD IS
WORTHY OF BOTH.
00:32:05.499 --> 00:32:07.933
THE REST OF US
ARE IN PROCESS.
00:32:08.033 --> 00:32:09.233
REBECCA: YEAH.
00:32:09.333 --> 00:32:12.067
DR. CHOLE: AND SO HE IS ONE
WE CAN LOVE AND WE CAN TRUST.
00:32:12.167 --> 00:32:14.633
THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE'LL
ALWAYS UNDERSTAND.
00:32:14.733 --> 00:32:19.033
AND THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL
LITTLE QUOTE AND SHE SAYS,
00:32:19.133 --> 00:32:23.200
LORD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND
YOU, BUT I TRUST YOU.
00:32:23.300 --> 00:32:25.033
WELL, THERE YOU
GO, THERE'S FAITH.
00:32:25.133 --> 00:32:26.567
THERE'S FAITH
IN THE NIGHT.
00:32:26.667 --> 00:32:29.833
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF FAITH
THAT SHAKES GENERATIONS
00:32:29.933 --> 00:32:32.467
AND SHAPES LEGACIES.
00:32:32.567 --> 00:32:35.900
OUR LIVES ARE GOING TO BE FORGED
MORE BY WHAT WE DO WITH PAIN
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.533
THAN BY
WHAT WE DO WITH JOY.
00:32:37.633 --> 00:32:39.233
REBECCA:
YEAH, IT'S TRUE.
00:32:39.333 --> 00:32:40.299
DR. CHOLE: AND
SO IN THE NIGHT,
00:32:40.399 --> 00:32:43.000
THAT'S WHERE WE LEARN
HOW TO STEWARD THE PAIN.
00:32:43.100 --> 00:32:45.466
REBECCA: SO WE CAN'T
RUN FROM THE NIGHT SEASONS.
00:32:45.566 --> 00:32:47.033
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T RUN
FROM THEM REGARDLESS.
00:32:47.133 --> 00:32:47.766
DR. CHOLE: NO, NO.
00:32:47.866 --> 00:32:48.700
YOU CAN'T.
00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:49.866
IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS,
WOULDN'T IT,
00:32:49.966 --> 00:32:53.133
IF THE SUN GOES DOWN AND
THE MOON COMES UP AND WE'RE,
00:32:53.233 --> 00:32:54.467
OH, NO, I'M
GOING TO OUTRUN THIS.
00:32:54.567 --> 00:32:55.366
NO, YOU'RE NOT.
00:32:55.466 --> 00:32:56.033
[ LAUGHING ]
00:32:56.133 --> 00:32:56.833
NO, YOU'RE NOT.
00:32:56.933 --> 00:32:58.400
BUT YOU CAN BE ATTENTIVE.
00:32:58.500 --> 00:32:59.700
YOU CAN BE ATTENTIVE.
00:32:59.800 --> 00:33:01.233
YOU CAN BE OBEDIENT.
00:33:01.333 --> 00:33:04.267
YOU CAN WORK ON KEEPING
YOUR WOUNDS UNINFECTED.
00:33:04.367 --> 00:33:06.400
AND YOU CAN TRUST THAT
HE WASTES NOTHING.
00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:07.999
HE WILL WASTE NOTHING.
00:33:08.099 --> 00:33:09.900
THERE IS NOT ONE ATOM OF
PAIN IN YOUR LIFE
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.266
THAT HE IS
GOING TO WASTE.
00:33:12.366 --> 00:33:14.766
SO WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT
FELLOWSHIPPING WITH HIM
00:33:14.866 --> 00:33:18.033
IN HIS SUFFERINGS, WE KEPT
HOPING THAT WAS POETRY.
00:33:18.133 --> 00:33:19.366
WE KEPT HOPING THAT WAS
SOMETHING THAT WE COULD
00:33:19.466 --> 00:33:20.767
JUST PUT ON THE
WALL AND SAY, OH,
00:33:20.867 --> 00:33:22.466
BLESS THOSE WHO
HAVE DONE THAT.
00:33:22.566 --> 00:33:24.833
BUT, NO, THIS IS REAL,
AND THIS FALLEN WORLD,
00:33:24.933 --> 00:33:27.833
WE ARE INVITED INTO THE
FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS.
00:33:27.933 --> 00:33:30.167
AND WE'LL LEARN OF
HIS HEART THERE.
00:33:30.267 --> 00:33:31.300
REBECCA:
THAT'S SO GOOD.
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.100
ANY LAST WORDS OF WISDOM
FOR THOSE OR ENCOURAGEMENT
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:35.900
FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN
THE NIGHT RIGHT NOW?
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:36.533
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:33:36.633 --> 00:33:38.099
DON'T BAIL ON MY FRIEND.
00:33:38.199 --> 00:33:39.033
PLEASE.
00:33:39.133 --> 00:33:40.299
DON'T GIVE UP.
00:33:40.399 --> 00:33:44.633
DON'T LET SATAN INSIDE YOU
TO THINK THAT GOD IS NOT GOOD
00:33:44.733 --> 00:33:47.500
OR THAT YOU WERE NEVER CUT OUT
FOR THIS CHRISTIANITY STUFF.
00:33:47.600 --> 00:33:49.833
OR THAT THE PEOPLE OF GOD,
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
00:33:49.933 --> 00:33:51.033
AT ALL TO
INVEST IN THEM.
00:33:51.133 --> 00:33:55.100
DON'T LET SATAN
INCITE YOU TO BAIL.
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:55.833
PUSH ON.
00:33:55.933 --> 00:33:57.000
PRESS ON.
00:33:57.100 --> 00:33:58.300
TAKE THE PAIN.
00:33:58.400 --> 00:33:59.800
PUSH IT INTO GOD'S HEART.
00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:01.433
AND WATCH WHAT
HE DOES WITH IT.
00:34:01.533 --> 00:34:03.967
HE WILL SHAPE IT AND
HE WILL MOLD IT INTO A SUBSTANCE
00:34:04.067 --> 00:34:06.666
YOUR GENERATION
DESPERATELY NEEDS TO GUIDE THEM,
00:34:06.766 --> 00:34:08.366
A SUBSTANCE
CALLED CHARACTER,
00:34:08.466 --> 00:34:11.566
A SUBSTANCE CALLED HOPE
AND FAITH AND LOVE.
00:34:11.666 --> 00:34:14.500
SO IT'S THOSE VERY NIGHT
SEASONS THAT WE TRY TO AVOID
00:34:14.600 --> 00:34:16.566
THAT ACTUALLY ARE
SHAPING US INTO THE PEOPLE
00:34:16.666 --> 00:34:19.866
THAT OUR GENERATION
DESPERATELY NEEDS.
00:34:19.966 --> 00:34:21.799
THOSE WHO WALK THROUGH THE
NIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY
00:34:21.899 --> 00:34:24.233
TO THOSE WHO ARE
FAMILIAR WITH DARKNESS.
00:34:24.333 --> 00:34:25.566
REBECCA:
THAT'S SO GOOD.
00:34:25.666 --> 00:34:28.500
CAN YOU DO A FINAL PRAYER FOR
MAYBE SOMEONE WHO'S LISTENING
00:34:28.600 --> 00:34:31.200
AND THEY WANT
THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS
00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:32.267
BUT THEY
DON'T KNOW HOW?
00:34:32.367 --> 00:34:32.933
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:34:33.033 --> 00:34:34.500
OH, I WOULD BE HONORED TO.
00:34:34.600 --> 00:34:38.333
GOD, I PRAY FOR THE
SOUL WHO, RIGHT NOW,
00:34:38.433 --> 00:34:41.900
IS THINKING, I
THINK, I BELIEVE,
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.599
BUT I'M JUST NOT SURE.
00:34:43.699 --> 00:34:45.667
O JESUS, YOU
ARE WITH THEM,
00:34:45.767 --> 00:34:47.166
YOU HAVE BEEN
CALLING THEIR NAME.
00:34:47.266 --> 00:34:49.833
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THINKING
THESE THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW.
00:34:49.933 --> 00:34:53.266
AND SO, GOD, I ASK THAT
YOU WOULD DEPOSIT IN THEM,
00:34:53.366 --> 00:34:54.867
YOU AS THE AUTHOR
OF THEIR FAITH
00:34:54.967 --> 00:34:57.433
THAT YOU WOULD DEPOSIT
IN THEM THE FAITH TO SAY,
00:34:57.533 --> 00:34:58.866
YES, I BELIEVE.
00:34:58.966 --> 00:35:02.000
THE FAITH TO SAY,
YES, I WILL FOLLOW.
00:35:02.100 --> 00:35:04.066
AND GOD, I KNOW THAT
YOU WILL DO FOR THEM
00:35:04.166 --> 00:35:06.933
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR
COUNTLESS SOULS BEFORE.
00:35:07.033 --> 00:35:08.733
YOU WILL KEEP CARRYING US.
00:35:08.833 --> 00:35:10.866
YOU WILL WRAP YOUR
ARMS AROUND US.
00:35:10.966 --> 00:35:13.467
YOU WILL SURROUND US WITH
YOUR TRUTH AND YOUR WORD
00:35:13.567 --> 00:35:15.099
AND YOUR LOVE.
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.066
AND YOU WILL CARRY
US ALL THE WAY HOME.
00:35:18.166 --> 00:35:21.333
SO FOR THAT SOUL WHO WANDERS
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT,
00:35:21.433 --> 00:35:23.466
IF YOU
LOVE THEM, O LORD,
00:35:23.566 --> 00:35:29.267
LET THEM HEAR, YES, THEY
ARE LOVED, THEY ARE KNOWN,
00:35:29.367 --> 00:35:33.033
THEY ARE SEEN,
THEY ARE WANTED.
00:35:33.133 --> 00:35:36.300
AND MAY THEY STEP IN FAITH
INTO RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU.
00:35:36.366 --> 00:35:39.100
IN JESUS' MIGHTY
NAME I PRAY, AMEN.
00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:40.100
REBECCA: AMEN.
00:35:40.200 --> 00:35:41.566
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:35:41.666 --> 00:35:42.600
DR. CHOLE:
OH, ABSOLUTELY.
00:35:42.700 --> 00:35:43.400
THANK YOU.
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:44.766
THIS WAS AN
ABSOLUTE DELIGHT.
00:35:44.866 --> 00:35:46.633
REBECCA: SO GOOD.
00:35:46.733 --> 00:35:49.733
AND FOR THOSE, BECAUSE WE REALLY
JUST SCRATCHED THE SURFACE
00:35:49.833 --> 00:35:52.667
OF YOUR BOOK,
THE NIGHT IS NORMAL .
00:35:52.767 --> 00:35:56.500
FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO READ IT,
LISTEN TO IT, HOW CAN THEY?
00:35:56.600 --> 00:35:57.366
DR. CHOLE: YES.
00:35:57.466 --> 00:35:58.800
GO ANYWHERE BOOKS
ARE SOLD; AMAZON,
00:35:58.900 --> 00:36:00.733
BARNES & NOBLE,
CHRISTIAN BOOKS.
00:36:00.833 --> 00:36:02.633
WE HAVE A WORK BOOK
COMING OUT VERY SOON
00:36:02.733 --> 00:36:04.766
WITH A
TEACHING VIDEO SERIES.
00:36:04.866 --> 00:36:06.333
AND EVEN A SONG THAT
WILL BE RELEASED HERE
00:36:06.433 --> 00:36:07.700
IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:08.866
REBECCA: WELL,
THAT SOUNDS AMAZING.
00:36:08.966 --> 00:36:11.900
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
TALKING WITH US TODAY,
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.466
AND WE HOPE TO
SEE YOU BACK.
00:36:13.566 --> 00:36:14.367
DR. CHOLE: OH,
I WOULD LOVE THAT.
00:36:14.467 --> 00:36:15.133
IT WAS A JOY.
00:36:15.233 --> 00:36:15.800
THANK YOU.
00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:16.566
REBECCA: THANK YOU.