REBECCA: HEY, GUYS, I'M EXCITED FOR THIS PROGRAM TODAY,
BECAUSE WE ARE JOINED BY SOMEONE
WHO HAS PERSONALLY IMPACTED MY LIFE.
I'M EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SHARE WITH US TODAY.
HE'S A PROPHETIC VOICE AND HE'S AN AUTHOR.
WELCOME TO THE SHOW, NATE JOHNSTON.
NATE: THANKS, REBECCA.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT COMING ON HERE WITH YOU TODAY.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT GOD DOES.
REBECCA: I'M EXCITED TO HAVE YOU, TOO.
AND YOU HAVE YOUR MINISTRY,
EVERYDAY REVIVALISTS,
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
NATE: SO WE STARTED THE MINISTRY,
WE WERE TRAVELING AROUND AND SERVING OTHER MINISTRIES
FOR A LONG TIME, MY WIFE AND I.
REBECCA: SHOUT OUT TO CHRISTY.
NATE: CHRISTY IS AMAZING.
REBECCA: WE LOVE YOU.
NATE: SHE'S AT HOME WITH THE KIDS.
ALL THE PARENTS GET IT.
WE BEGAN OUR MINISTRY IN 2016,
AND WE CALLED IT EVERYDAY REVIVALISTS
BECAUSE WHEN WE BEGAN, WE WERE IN A SEASON
OF OUR LIVES THAT
WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO -
IT'S LIKE WE'D BEEN DOING MINISTRY
IN THIS KINGDOM WORLD FOR SO LONG,
WE WANTED TO SEE HOW THAT WAS MEANT TO MEET
LIKE THE EVERYDAY LIFESTYLE WE HAD,
HAVING KIDS AND ALL THE NORMAL STUFF,
JOBS, ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
WE WANTED TO SEE OURSELVES
AND OTHER PEOPLE STEP INTO THEIR KINGDOM SHOES
NO MATTER WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR JOBS
AND THEIR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE.
I WAS WORKING IN A GOVERNMENT JOB
FOR A WHILE IN BETWEEN,
AND I WAS SEEING PEOPLE COME UP TO MY DESK,
I WAS INTERPRETING THEIR DREAMS,
GOD WAS MOVING IN SUCH A POWERFUL WAY.
AND I WAS LIKE, WE NEED TO SEE THE BODY OF CHRIST
BE THE CHURCH NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE.
WHETHER THEY'RE IN THE FOUR WALLS OR NOT.
AND WE ALSO HAD THIS FOCUS,
WE WANT TO SEE A HEALTHY CHURCH,
A HEALTHY BRIDE.
NOT JUST GIFTED, HEALTHY,
LIKE FLOURISHING IN THEIR SOUL,
IN THEIR MARRIAGES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE NAME COMES FROM.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE SOMETIMES FOCUS
JUST ON THE SERVICE
AND, OH, WE HAD A GOOD SERVICE,
BUT IT'S THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE TRANSFORMED
FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
NATE: YEAH.
BECAUSE WHEN THE PEOPLE,
AND THAT IS THE BODY OF CHRIST,
THAT IS THE BRIDE.
IF THE PEOPLE AREN'T HEALTHY,
THE BRIDE'S NOT HEALTHY.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE LONGEVITY,
THERE HAS TO BE HEALTH.
AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE IMPACT
OUTSIDE THE FOUR WALLS OF THE CHURCH,
THERE HAS TO BE DISCIPLESHIP WITHIN THE PERSON.
AND SO, LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST FLASHY THING
NATE: YES.
REBECCA: BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO THE HEART OF GOD
BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE FAITHFUL
TO RUN THE RACE UNTIL THE END.
NATE: YEAH.
I MEAN, IF YOU EVER READ THOSEGOD'S GENERALS BOOKS
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T FINISH WELL,
IT'S SAD.
AND THAT'S JUST BEEN SOMETHING IN OUR HEARTS,
I'M LIKE, GOD, I DON'T WANT TO BE A FLASH IN THE PAN.
LIKE, I WANT TO RAISE MY KIDS WELL,
I WANT TO LIKE DO THIS THING FOR REAL,
AND LONGEVITY IS A MASSIVE PART OF THAT
AND THAT COMES DOWN TO BEING HEALTHY,
AND FOCUSING ON YOUR OWN HEALTH
RATHER THAN JUST POURING OUT ALL THE TIME.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE IN MINISTRY,
IT CAN EASILY BE THAT YOU JUST POUR OUT,
POUR OUT, POUR OUT,
UNTIL YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE YOU'RE EMPTY.
SO FOCUSING ON THAT, HAVING A FOCUS OF THAT
IS SO IMPORTANT TO LAST THE DISTANCE.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
SO FOR OUR VIEWERS,
OR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD OF YOU BEFORE,
LET'S GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND,
ON SOME OF YOUR STORY.
NATE: SURE.
WELL, I'M AUSTRALIAN, OBVIOUSLY.
REBECCA: YES, WE CAN HEAR THE ACCENT.
NATE: I WAS TOLD COMING BACK
THAT MY ACCENT HAS GOT THICKER AUSTRALIAN
AND SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET AROUND THAT FOR YOU GUYS.
GREW UP IN AUSTRALIA.
AND WE CAME TO THE U.S. IN 2009
AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH AMERICA.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS DUAL CALLING
BETWEEN OUR HOME COUNTRY AND WHAT FELT LIKE
WAS THIS COUNTRY THAT, YOU KNOW,
THAT WE WERE -
FELT LIKE HOME, YOU KNOW.
SO WE LOVE AMERICA.
WE'RE HERE NOW.
WE'RE LIVING HERE WITH OUR THREE DAUGHTERS.
MY WIFE CHRISTY IS ALSO A PROPHETIC VOICE
AND AN AUTHOR.
AND SHE REALLY IS REALLY - VOICES ESPECIALLY
EVERYTHING GOING ON IN CULTURE RIGHT NOW.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: AND ESPECIALLY HOW GOD'S DAUGHTERS WEIGH IN
THAT CONVERSATION.
AND SO THAT'S US, WE'RE HERE IN THE STATES.
WE LOVE IT.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE CALLED HERE
TO BE A PART OF THE REFORMATION OF THE CHURCH
IN AMERICA
AND SEE AMERICA TURN BACK TO GOD,
IN A POWERFUL WAY.
REBECCA: WHAT'S INTERESTING IS,
I FEEL LIKE FOR SO MANY YEARS,
I FEEL LIKE AMERICA WAS A BLESSING TO OTHER NATIONS,
BRINGING THE GOSPEL AROUND THE EARTH,
AND NOW I FEEL LIKE THESE PEOPLE FROM OTHER NATIONS
ARE COMING TO AMERICA TO BE A BLESSING TO US.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GONE SOMEWHAT WAYWARD.
AND IT'S AMAZING TO SEE PEOPLE
FROM DIFFERENT NATIONS COME
AND HELP BRING AMERICA BACK TO ITS CALLING.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN AUSTRALIA,
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE FROM AFRICA, ASIA,
AND I'M JUST SO THANKFUL
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: FOR THE IMPACT OF THAT.
SO, I WANT TO TELL A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR STORY
GROWING UP.
HOW DID YOU GET IN MINISTRY,
HOW DID YOU AND CHRISTY GET INTO MINISTRY?
I LOVE THAT YOU GUYS DO IT TOGETHER.
YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE THAT.
I LOVE A DUAL CALLING.
NATE: WE'RE VERY DIFFERENT, BUT YET IT WORKS.
IT'S LIKE WE -
REBECCA: DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, TOO.
NATE: VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
SO WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER SINCE WE WERE LITTLE.
SHE WAS EIGHT, I WAS TEN.
WE LIKED EACH OTHER AS KIDS,
WHICH WAS WEIRD.
HER DAD RAN THIS MOTORCYCLE MINISTRY CHURCH,
FOR REAL.
LIKE, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
AND WE USED TO RUN AROUND
WHILE THEY HAD THE CHURCH SERVICES
AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND HER DAD ENDED UP ESTABLISHING A CHURCH.
IT WAS LIKE A HOSPITAL CHURCH.
IT WAS IN A VERY POOR AREA OF OUR CITY.
AND IT WAS VERY NORMAL TO SEE
PEOPLE COME IN, SMOKING DRUGS,
PEOPLE OFF THE STREET.
WE'D SEE PEOPLE COME IN AND GET -
DELIVERANCE WAS NORMAL IN OUR CHURCH.
PEOPLE DRAGGED IN,
LIKE, DEAD BODIES DRAGGED IN.
ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE WOULD SEE CRAZY HEALINGS.
AND SO, I GREW UP ACTUALLY IN A CHRISTIAN HOME,
BUT IT WAS A VERY DYSFUNCTIONAL HOME.
AND SO I REMEMBER GOING TO THIS CHURCH,
IT WAS LIKE A REAL ESCAPE FOR ME,
AN OUTLET FOR ME,
AWAY FROM WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MY HOME
AND EXPERIENCING GOD IN A POWERFUL WAY.
AND SO WE GREW UP DOING THAT
AND I WAS A PART OF THE WORSHIP TEAM.
I'M MISSING A LITTLE BIT IN THE MIDDLE
WHERE I WANT THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF
AND I WAS AWAY FROM THE CHURCH.
BUT BASICALLY CHRISTY AND I,
WHEN WE STARTED DATING,
WE RAN THE YOUTH GROUP.
AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR STORY,
OF HOW WE GOT STARTED IN MINISTRY.
WE JUST WANTED TO SEE PEOPLE TOUCHED
AND IMPACTED BY GOD.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING AT ALL.
ALL WE KNEW IS THAT WE NEEDED TO BE DOING
SOMETHING FOR GOD, YOU KNOW.
YOU JUST HAD THAT KIND OF HUNGER AND A PASSION,
BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU'RE DOING,
WHICH IS HALF THE TIME IN THE KINGDOM,
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DID WHEN WE BEGAN.
REBECCA: TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON YOUR OWN STORY,
BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HELP PEOPLE.
NATE: YEAH.
SO MY DAD LEFT WHEN I WAS FOUR,
MY BIOLOGICAL FATHER.
AND MY MOM REMARRIED AGAIN WHEN I WAS SIX AND A HALF.
AND SO THERE WAS JUST THOSE YEARS
WHERE IT WAS JUST MY MOM
RAISING TWO BOYS ALONE.
MY MOM GOT SAVED A YEAR BEFORE I WAS BORN.
AND SO CHRISTIANITY WAS NEW TO HER.
AND WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO KNOW GOD
OR EXPERIENCE GOD.
I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID,
IT WAS JUST VERY FOREIGN TO ME.
BUT MY MOM REMARRIED WHEN I WAS SIX AND A HALF
TO A PASTOR WHO WAS ACTUALLY VERY ABUSIVE.
AND SO EVERYTHING LOOKED LIKE
WE HAD THIS PERFECT CHRISTIAN HOME ON THE OUTSIDE,
BUT, REALLY, IT WAS A MESS.
'CAUSE I WAS THE OLDEST, I WAS OBVIOUSLY THE SCAPEGOAT
IN THAT SITUATION.
SO MY FORMATION OF GOD
AND THE IDEA OF GOD WAS
WHAT MY STEPFATHER WAS.
I THOUGHT HE WAS AN ANGRY,
YOU KNOW, THIS ANGRY PERSON WHO DID NOT LIKE ME,
DISAPPROVED OF ME,
WHO TOLD ME, YOU KNOW,
THAT I WOULD NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING.
AND ALSO LOVED JUST BELITTLING ME,
ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND SO IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME
TO GRASP THIS GOOD GOD
WHEN I'D ONLY EXPERIENCED, NOT GOD THE FATHER,
BUT THE GODFATHER ESSENTIALLY.
AND THAT REALLY IS A MASSIVE PART OF MY STORY.
BREAKING OUT OF THAT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT THING.
I HAD AN ORPHAN SPIRIT.
I WAS, EVEN INTO MY 20S,
I WAS ALWAYS JUST LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FROM PEOPLE.
I WAS ALWAYS APPEASING PEOPLE,
BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO DO
WHATEVER CREATED THE LESS AMOUNT,
YOU KNOW, CREATED THE LEAST AMOUNT OF WAVES.
I WAS WALKING ON EGGSHELLS AROUND PEOPLE.
AND THAT WAS A NORMAL THING FOR ME.
AND I WAS LOOKING FOR A GENUINE FATHER
IN THE CHURCH.
I WAS LOOKING FOR GENUINE PEOPLE
THAT WOULD APPROVE OF ME.
SO I WAS GOING OUT OF MY WAY
LOOKING FOR APPROVAL IN PEOPLE,
RATHER THAN SEEKING GOD.
AND SO MY STORY WAS VERY MUCH
ABOUT ENCOUNTERING THE FATHER,
GOD THE FATHER,
SETTING ME FREE OF ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF,
WHICH HAS NOW ENABLED ME
TO NOW DO THE SAME THING FOR OTHER PEOPLE.
AND CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE REAL THING
RATHER THAN JUST PEOPLE OR EVEN THE MOST
WELL MEANING OF LEADERS
IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW.
WE NEED TO CONNECT GOD,
WE NEED TO KNOW HIM.
AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING BEGINS
TO BE REVEALED IN OUR LIVES.
THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN TO TAP INTO
THE GIFTINGS ON OUR LIFE.
THAT'S WHEN WE BEGIN TO HEAR HIM CLEARLY
BECAUSE IT'S DETACHED FROM PEOPLE
AND IT'S COMING THROUGH HIM.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, THAT'S SO INTERESTING
THAT YOU SAY THAT,
I THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT I'VE STRUGGLED WITH,
AND I'VE ACTUALLY STRUGGLED WITH
SOME OF THAT AS WELL,
PEOPLE PLEASING, FEAR OF MAN,
INSECURITY, REJECTION.
AND NOW THAT GOD'S BROUGHT ME THROUGH
A PROCESS OF HEALING,
I THINK HEALING TAKES TIME, TOO.
NATE: IT DOES.
REBECCA: IT'S A PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STUFF I FEEL LIKE
IS INSTANTANEOUS
AND SOME STUFF IS A PROCESS.
AND WHEN I LOOK BACK ON MY LIFE,
BEFORE I WAS HEALED,
I DIDN'T LIKE THE BROKENNESS,
BUT WHEN GOD BROUGHT ME THROUGH RESTORATION,
I ACTUALLY WAS THANKFUL FOR THE HARD TIMES.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU LEARN FROM IT,
THERE'S AN INTIMACY THAT YOU HAVE WITH GOD
BECAUSE OF THE HARDSHIPS
BECAUSE HE SUFFERED AS WELL
AND HE CAN RELATE TO OUR SUFFERING.
BUT ALSO, IT JUST DOES SOMETHING TO YOUR HEART
WHERE YOU WANT TO HELP PEOPLE,
WHEN GOD INFUSES HIS HEALING
INTO OUR HURT.
IT GIVES YOU A PASSION TO HELP PEOPLE
THAT ARE IN THAT SITUATION.
AND YOU CAN GO WITH A BOLDNESS
AND A CERTAINTY,
BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT GOD DID IT FOR YOU.
AND SO THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
AND SO WHAT THE ENEMY INTENDS FOR EVIL,
GOD USES FOR GOOD.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING,
THEY MIGHT GO WHAT'S AN ORPHAN SPIRIT,
BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE FATHER WOUNDS
AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE AN ORPHAN SPIRIT,
BUT PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
NATE: WELL, I REMEMBER READING ABOUT
A GUY CALLED MEPHIBOSHETH IN THE BIBLE.
AND HE WAS, I THINK HE WAS A SON OF JONATHAN.
YOU KNOW, DAVID AND JONATHAN,
HAD THIS COVENANT BROTHERHOOD THING.
AND EVEN AFTER SAUL AND JONATHAN,
YOU KNOW, PASSED AWAY,
DAVID WANTED TO DO SOMETHING
TO BLESS THE HOUSE OF SAUL,
AND JONATHAN,
AND HE WANTED TO DO THAT AS AN HONOR.
DAVID UNDERSTOOD THAT EVEN -
MAN, THIS STORY JUST IMPACTS ME SO MUCH.
AND IF YOU'RE A PROPHET OUT THERE,
OR YOU'RE A PROPHETIC VOICE,
YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE
TO GO THROUGH OPPOSITION AND SLANDER
AND EXPERIENCE THAT.
IT KIND OF COMES WITH THE TERRITORY.
BUT DAVID, EVEN AFTER HE'D DIE,
WAS LIKE WHAT CAN I DO TO BLESS,
YOU KNOW, THEIR LINEAGE?
AND HE FOUND THIS GUY CALLED MEPHIBOSHETH.
HE WAS LIVING - HE WAS LAME, HE COULDN'T WALK.
REBECCA: HE HAD BEEN DROPPED I THINK AS A BABY.
NATE: DROPPED AS A BABY.
REBECCA: OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NATE: AND HE WAS LIKE, WHAT CAN I DO
TO BLESS THIS GUY?
AND HE LIVED IN A PLACE CALLED LO DEBAR,
WHICH MEANS LIKE A DRY PLACE, YOU KNOW.
AND THIS GUY HAD AN ORPHAN SPIRIT
BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE GREW UP.
IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU ARE NOT FATHERED SPIRITUALLY,
AND I THINK EVEN IN THE NATURAL,
A FATHER INSTILLS IDENTITY, VALUE,
WORTH, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU
WHO YOU ARE.
AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT,
YOU BECOME ESSENTIALLY AN ORPHAN.
WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT,
YOU BEGIN -
YOU BEGIN EXPERIENCING LIFE THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS
BECAUSE YOU WERE NEVER GIVEN THAT BLESSING,
THE FATHER'S BLESSING, WHICH WAS A BIBLICAL THING.
IT'S LIKE, THIS IS MY -
THIS IS MY VICTORY, SON.
THIS IS THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW,
YOU MEANT TO PASS DOWN,
YOU DON'T RECEIVE THOSE THINGS.
SO IN THE STORY OF MEPHIBOSHETH,
HE CAME TO DAVID AND HE SAID
WHO AM I? I'M JUST A DOG.
THAT THERE SUMS UP THE ORPHAN SPIRIT.
YOU SEE YOURSELF SO LOWLY,
THAT YOU'RE EVEN UNABLE TO RECEIVE
WHAT GOD'S WANTING TO GIVE TO YOU.
GOD'S ALWAYS PRESENT.
THE FATHER'S ALWAYS PRESENT.
HE'S ALWAYS WANTING TO SPEAK.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU SEE YOURSELF,
YOU'RE UNABLE TO RECEIVE
THE VERY THING THAT'S PRESENT
OR MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
AND I THINK FOR ME,
HAVING THAT ORPHAN SPIRIT,
THE FATHER WAS SO PURSUING ME
AND AFTER ME, BUT I COULDN'T SEE IT,
BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE LENS OF
I'M WORTHLESS, I'M LOWLY.
AND IT CAN BE A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO BREAK.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN ENCOUNTER WITH GOD.
YOU NEED AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE LORD.
YOU NEED AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE FATHER
HOW TO GUIDE.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY DISRUPTS THAT
AND IT SHIFTS IT AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE
BREAK FREE FROM IT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HARD TO BREAK FREE FROM,
BUT IT DOES -
IT DOES NEED TO BE ENCOUNTERED
BY THE LOVE OF THE FATHER.
AND I BELIEVE WE'RE IN A TIME
WHERE THIS GENERATION ESPECIALLY,
NEEDS AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE BAPTISMAL LOVE
OF THE FATHER.
SO, YEAH.
REBECCA: I THINK THAT'S SO GOOD.
I THINK WITH AN ORPHAN SPIRIT,
YOU FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING
BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USED TO HAVING A FATHER -
NATE: NO, EXACTLY.
WOW.
REBECCA: YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF
BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A FATHER TO PROTECT YOU.
AND THEN YOU GO LOOKING IN PEOPLE,
IDENTITY, LIKE YOU SAID, PURPOSE.
AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LET YOU DOWN.
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.
AND THE THING IS, ALSO IS,
YOU WON'T BE EFFECTIVE IN MINISTRY.
YOU'LL ONLY PROBABLY BE EFFECTIVE TO A CERTAIN POINT
BECAUSE MINISTRY IS FOR GOD.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: THE PEOPLE BENEFIT.
AND I JUST THINK ABOUT JESUS.
YOU THINK ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP
MODELED TO THE FATHER ON THE EARTH,
AND HIS LIFE AND MINISTRY ON THE EARTH.
IT WAS VERY CLEARLY ESTABLISHED
BEFORE EVEN JESUS STEPPED FOOT INTO MINISTRY,
GOD SAID THIS IS MY BELOVED SON,
IN WHOM I'M WELL PLEASED.
BEFORE HE DID ANYTHING,
GOD THE FATHER ESTABLISHES HIS IDENTITY AND HIS WORTH.
SO JESUS DIDN'T GET THAT FROM WHAT HE DID.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MINISTRY
AND PEOPLE WHO ARE CHASING SUCCESS,
THEY'RE CHASING THOSE THINGS,
AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS,
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FEEL GOOD ENOUGH.
AND WITH GOD HE ESTABLISHES THAT,
NOT OUT OF WHAT YOU DO,
BUT THE IDENTITY YOU BEING HIS.
NATE: YES.
REBECCA: AND SO THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
THAT'S SO ESSENTIAL.
AND I THINK YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT VERSE,
I WAS JUST TALKING TO ANOTHER GUEST ABOUT THAT VERSE
IN ROMANS 8 WHERE IT SAYS,
THE HOLY SPIRIT IN US, HE CRIES -
IT CRIES ABBA FATHER.
NATE: OH, YES.
REBECCA: SO EVEN THE HOLY SPIRIT,
HE REMINDS US OF OUR ADOPTION
BECAUSE WHEN WE GET SAVED,
WE ARE NOW ACCEPTED.
WE ARE NOW A PART,
WE ARE IN THE BELOVED.
WE ARE NOW BORN AGAIN AS A CHILD OF GOD.
BUT THE THING IS, YOUR SPIRIT IS SAVED,
BUT YOUR SOUL NEEDS HEALING.
NATE: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: LIKE THE SPIRIT IS INSTANTANEOUS,
THE SOUL, WHATEVER YOU EXPERIENCED GROWING UP
ALL THOSE YEARS,
GOD NOW HAS TO UNLEARN THE LIES
THAT YOU'VE BELIEVED.
AND THE THING IS, YOU WERE WALKING AROUND,
AND I WALKED AROUND SIMILAR,
REJECTION, INSECURITY,
THESE DIFFERENT LIES.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T TRUE
HOW GOD FELT ABOUT ME,
MY EXPERIENCES MADE ME BELIEVE THAT.
AND WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE.
AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST HEARD
IN A TEACHING THAT WAS POWERFUL IS,
PART OF WHAT REPENTANCE MEANS IN THE BIBLE,
IS TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU THINK.
NATE: YES.
REBECCA: SO THE MOMENT GOD SPEAKS TO YOU AND SAYS,
YOU ARE ACCEPTED, YOU ARE MY BELOVED,
YOU CAN REPENT AND SAY,
LORD, I'M SORRY I BELIEVED A LIE.
AND BREAK THAT OFF.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN AMAZING STORY.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED
BY WHAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED.
NATE: NO.
REBECCA: I ACTUALLY READ IN THIS ONE BOOK,
IT SAYS YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY BE ENCOURAGED
THAT THE ENEMY WENT AFTER YOU.
BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT HE SAW SOMETHING ON YOUR LIFE,
AND HE WANTED TO STOP IT.
NATE: YEP.
REBECCA: BUT GOD AND HIS FAITHFULNESS
BRINGS IT THROUGH.
SO I JUST THINK THAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
HOW DID YOU FORGIVE YOUR FATHER,
YOUR STEPFATHER, BOTH OF THEM?
[ LAUGHTER ]
NATE: YOU KNOW, CHRISTY AND I WERE STARTING TO
RUN A YOUTH GROUP AT HER DAD'S CHURCH
AND I GOT FREE OF A LOT OF THINGS,
LIKE GOD HAD SET ME FREE OF SO MUCH
AND I WAS GRATEFUL.
LIKE I WAS SERVING GOD,
I WAS OUT OF ALL THE YEARS
WHERE I WAS JUST OPPRESSED BY THE ENEMY.
BUT IT FELT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE WAY, YOU KNOW.
REBECCA: BUT YOU COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE OUT
WHAT IT WAS.
NATE: NO, I COULDN'T.
I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS.
I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THIS BUMP IN THE ROAD?
I WAS STILL HAVING THESE MOMENTS
WHERE I WAS LIKE LOVING, SERVING IN OUR CHURCH,
AND DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING,
LOVING ON KIDS AND ALL THAT,
I WAS STILL A KID MYSELF.
BUT HERE, I SO WANTED TO JUST DEDICATE MY LIFE TO GOD,
AND THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE WAY, YOU KNOW.
I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THAT THING?
AND THEN THE BEGINNING OF THAT YEAR,
I THINK IT WAS EITHER 2003 OR 2004,
IT WAS WEIRD BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE
THE PROPHETIC THING STARTED,
I STARTED HEARING GOD'S VOICE.
IT WAS JUST IN MY SPIRIT,
JUST ON THE INSIDE OF ME.
BUT IT WAS CLEAR.
LIKE IT WAS CLEAR ENOUGH THAT IT WAS THE DISTINCTION
BETWEEN MYSELF AND I KNEW THIS WAS THE LORD SPEAKING.
AND HE WAS GIVING ME LIKE THESE SPECIFIC WORDS
FOR LIKE MONTHS THAT BEGAN TO HAPPEN.
I WAS LIKE, WOW, OKAY, SO IT WAS BEGINNING THEN.
AND HE SAID TO ME AS CLEAR AS DAY,
HE SAID, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT THING IS?
AND I SAID, YEAH, WHAT IS IT?
AND HE SAYS, IT'S THE UNFORGIVENESS
TOWARDS YOUR STEPDAD.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY.
REBECCA: WERE YOU AWARE THAT YOU HAD IT?
NATE: I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING UNRESOLVED.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT,
I WAS KIND OF JUST LIKE SHOVING IT.
I'M GOOD NOW, YOU'RE BUSY YOURSELF IN ACTIVITY.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
NATE: YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
GOD WILL GET TO IT,
HE'LL CLEAN THAT OUT.
AND HE WAS DOING IT.
AND IT WAS LIKE I WAS FEELING THINGS COME TO THE SURFACE.
REBECCA: FROM YOUR PAST.
NATE: YEAH.
BY THE WAY, I'M JUST FEELING LIKE,
PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS RIGHT NOW,
AS I'M BEGINNING TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS,
THINGS ARE BEGINNING TO COME TO YOUR MEMORY
THAT HAVE JUST BEEN LINGERING BACK THERE.
JUST LET HOLY SPIRIT MINISTER TO THOSE THINGS.
I JUST FEEL LIKE HE'S WANTING TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
HE'S JUST WANTING TO LIFT SOME STUFF OFF PEOPLE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S BURDENS.
IF HE SHOWS YOU A FACE
AS I SPEAK THIS NEXT PART,
FORGIVE THEM.
MAYBE IT'S HARD FOR YOU.
JUST RELEASE THEM TO HIM.
GOD'S GONNA HEAL SOME PEOPLE
AS I SHARE THIS NEXT PART.
AND HE SAID TO ME,
I WANT YOU TO FORGIVE YOUR STEPDAD.
I WENT, OH, THAT'S IT.
I'M LIKE, I HAVE, I'M GOOD.
I'M GOOD.
HE SAID, NO, I'M GOOD ISN'T YOU'VE FORGIVEN HIM.
OKAY. HOW DO I FORGIVE HIM?
AND THEN CLEAR AS DAY HE SAID TO ME,
I WAS OUT OF CONTACT WITH MY PARENTS AT THE TIME.
AND HE SAID TO ME,
IN APRIL THERE'S GONNA BE A FAMILY EVENT
YOU'RE GONNA BE INVITED TO, GO THERE.
IF YOU FORGIVE YOUR STEPDAD,
IT WILL BE GONE LIKE THAT.
AND I KNOW THERE'S PROCESSES TO HEALING,
AND THERE'S PROCESSES TO FORGIVENESS,
BUT THERE WAS A DIRECT WORD FROM THE LORD SAYING,
IF YOU RELEASE HIM,
IT'S GONNA BE GONE.
AND HE SAID WHY.
HE SAID I HAVE TOO MUCH AHEAD FOR YOU
FOR YOU TO BE HELD BACK IN THIS
FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
AND IT IS HOLDING YOU BACK.
AND I WRESTLED IT BUT THEN I SAID, OKAY.
I WAS WAITING TO SEE IF IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, YOU KNOW.
I GET A CALL, WILL YOU COME TO THIS FAMILY EVENT?
OH, MAN, YOU KNOW.
OKAY.
I'VE GOT TO BE THERE, I'VE GOT TO DO THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE,
IT'S GONNA BE GOOD.
I GO THERE AND WE'RE ALL SITTING AT THIS TABLE
OUTSIDE MY AUNTIE'S HOUSE.
AND EVERYONE'S THERE.
IT WASN'T AS AWKWARD
BECAUSE THERE WAS JOKES AND LAUGHS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THEN EVERYBODY LEAVES THE TABLE
EXCEPT ME AND MY STEPDAD.
AWKWARD MOMENT, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN WITHOUT REALLY
A KIND OF SEGUE,
HE JUST BEGINS TELLING ME ABOUT HIS DAD.
AND TELLING ME THE STORIES OF THE THINGS
THAT HE DID TO HIM.
AND THEY WERE HORRIFIC.
LIKE WAY WORSE THAN WHAT HE DID TO ME.
LIKE PHYSICAL ABUSE,
WAY WORSE THAN WHAT I EXPERIENCED.
LIKE, JUST REALLY BAD.
AND I START FEELING SORRY FOR HIM.
AND I KNOW HE WASN'T TRYING TO DO THAT,
I THINK HE WAS JUST TRYING TO CONNECT WITH ME
AND LET ME KNOW, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL.
EVEN THOUGH I'M THE ONE WHO DID THIS TO YOU,
I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL.
AND I SENSED A REAL LIKE,
THERE WAS THIS MELLOW,
THE HARDNESS, THE RAGE WASN'T THERE.
I WAS LIKE, WHAT CHANGE HAS HAPPENED IN HIS LIFE?
AND THEN IT JUST BURST OUT OF ME,
I SAID, I FORGIVE YOU.
AND HE WAS TAKEN ABACK.
AND HE SAID, OKAY, CAN I TELL YOU WHAT'S BEEN
HAPPENING WITH ME?
AND I SAID, SURE.
HE SAID, WELL, I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH INNER HEALING.
GOD'S BEEN DEALING WITH THE AREAS OF MY LIFE.
AND TOLD ME HOW HE WANTED TO COMMIT SUICIDE
BECAUSE OF HIS DAD,
TELLING ME HOW THIS UNFORGIVENESS
WOULD JUST -
IT WOULD BRING HIM TO THE POINT OF
BEFORE HE WAS SAVED,
HE WOULD BE TAKING DRUGS TO TRY TO KILL HIMSELF,
'CAUSE HE COULD NOT LIVE WITH THIS,
WITH THIS IMMENSE REALLY DISAPPROVAL
YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENED.
HE SAID CAN ME AND YOUR MOM PRAY WITH YOU
AND ASK HOLY SPIRIT TO SHOW YOU
WHERE ALL OF THE HURT IN YOUR LIFE STARTED?
'CAUSE I STARTED TELLING HIM,
YOU KNOW, I LIVE EVERY DAY FEELING JUST FRUSTRATION,
FEELING LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING,
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG,
I'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG,
THAT GOD'S MAD AT ME.
AND HE SAID WELL, LET'S ASK HOLY SPIRIT
TO SHOW YOU WHERE THAT ALL ENTERED INTO YOUR LIFE.
AND IN THE BACK OF MY MIND I'M LIKE,
IT STARTED WITH YOU, MATE.
AT SEVEN YEARS OLD IT STARTED WITH YOU.
AND I STARTED EVEN FEELING UNPROTECTED
BY GOD IN THAT MOMENT.
I SAID, GOD, YOU DID THIS TO ME.
YOU BROUGHT THIS GUY ALONG.
YOU DID THIS.
MY DAD LEFT WHEN I WAS FOUR
AND I REALIZED MY VENDETTA WAS ACTUALLY
NOT EVEN AGAINST HIM, IT WAS AGAINST GOD.
I PRAYED WITH THEM
AND I WENT INTO A VISION.
I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A VISION AS CLEAR
AS OUT OF MY LIFE
THAT I FEEL LIKE I'M STANDING THERE
LIKE FOR REAL IN THIS VISION.
I'M A FOUR-YEAR-OLD BOY.
AND I'M IN MY HOUSE
AND I'M WATCHING THE SCENE PLAY OUT
OF MY DAD LEAVING WHEN I WAS FOUR YEARS OLD.
I DIDN'T REMEMBER IT.
I BLOCKED IT OUT.
AND I'M WATCHING MY MOM
AND SHE'S SCREAMING LIKE INTO THE CUSHION.
SHE'S ABSOLUTELY JUST, YOU KNOW, IN PAIN, YOU KNOW.
AND I RUSH OUT, FOUR-YEAR-OLD BOY,
RUSH OUT ON TO THE FRONT PORCH
AND I'M WATCHING MY DAD IN HIS TRUCK
AND HE'S CRYING, HE'S LIKE, I HAVE TO GO.
AND NOT KNOWING HOW TO HANDLE WHAT I'M SEEING,
I RUSH DOWN THE HALLWAY AND I'M FEELING,
THIS IS MY FAULT.
I'M FEELING LIKE, THIS IS ALL BECAUSE OF ME.
A FOUR-YEAR-OLD, LIKE FEELING THAT PAIN.
I RUSH UNDER MY BED
AND I STILL SEE THE --
I STILL SEE THE BEDSPREAD MY MOM HAD MADE.
I'M LIKE, WOW, I SAID,
MOM, DID YOU ACTUALLY MAKE THIS?
AND SHE SAID, YEAH.
YOU HAD A DONALD DUCK BEDSPREAD
AND MATCHING CURTAINS
AND I SEWED IT TOGETHER FOR YOU, YOU KNOW.
I'M LIKE, WOW, I SAW THIS IN THE VISION.
AND I'M UNDER MY BED AND THEN I'M JUST CRYING
AND I FEEL SOMEONE IN THE ROOM WITH ME.
AND I LOOK UP AND THERE'S JESUS.
AND HE'S LIKE THIS.
AND HE'S JUST CRYING AND CRYING FOR ME.
INSTANTLY SOMETHING BROKE,
I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT IT WAS.
EVERYTHING THAT I ATTRIBUTED AND BLAMED ON GOD,
AND ON MY STEPFATHER, LIFTED IN A MOMENT.
BECAUSE IN THAT MOMENT I RECOGNIZED EVERYTHING
THAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME WAS THE ENEMY.
IT WAS NOT HIM.
IT WAS NOT EVEN GOD.
IT WAS THIS PERSON THAT SAW -
THE ENEMY.
LIKE YOU SAID, SAW SOMETHING IN MY LIFE
AND SOUGHT TO DEFILE THAT
AND TO POISON THAT AT A YOUNG AGE
SO I WOULDN'T STEP INTO
WHO I WAS MEANT TO BE.
AND I LEFT THAT NIGHT
AND IT WAS THE WEIRDEST FEELING.
THE LIGHTNESS, I CAN'T EVEN -
HONESTLY, I THOUGHT I COULD FLY.
IT WAS JUST LIKE THIS WEIGHT HAD
LIFTED OFF MY SHOULDERS.
MY BROTHER, WHO HAD A LOT OF THE SAME UNFORGIVENESS,
WE DISCONNECTED BECAUSE HE THOUGHT I WAS LYING.
HE THOUGHT I WAS MAKING IT UP.
HE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY SUDDENLY,
I'D HAVE THE MEMORIES OF THESE THINGS,
BUT THERE WAS NO MORE PAIN OR TRAUMA
ATTACHED TO THEM ANYMORE.
HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH BY THE WAY, PEOPLE SAY,
WELL, GOD CAN'T REDEEM TIME.
GO READ ISAIAH 5, I RENEW YOUR YOUTH LIKE THE EAGLE.
HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN GO BACK IN
TO A MEMORY THAT'S PAST
AND GO AND JUST POUR HIMSELF UPON THAT
AND REDEEM IT.
AND HE DID THAT FOR ME.
AND, YEAH, THAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF
ENCOUNTERING THE FATHER.
BECAUSE I REALIZED, YOU KNOW, HE WAS THERE FOR ME,
BUT I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT.
AND IT BROKE IN THAT MOMENT.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE LISTENING RIGHT NOW
WHO WERE JUST LIKE,
WELL, I'VE BEEN THROUGH SIMILAR THINGS
BUT I DIDN'T GET THAT ENCOUNTER,
THAT EXPERIENCE,
BUT THAT'S WAITING FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
REBECCA: YEAH. I FEEL THAT, TOO.
WHILE YOU WERE TALKING, I FELT LIKE
I SAW THE RIVER OF GOD
AND IT BRINGS LIFE, IT BRINGS HEALING.
AND WE JUST PRAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW
THAT THEY WOULD JUST ENCOUNTER THAT RIVER.
LORD, I JUST THANK YOU, AND WE SPEAK HEALING OVER YOU,
WE THANK YOU, GOD,
THAT YOU WILL REVEAL JESUS TO THESE PEOPLE,
HOW IN THOSE PAINFUL MOMENTS OF THEIR LIVES
YOU WERE PRESENT,
JUST LIKE YOU WERE PRESENT FOR NATE.
LORD, WHAT YOU DID FOR HIM,
YOU'LL DO FOR THEM AS WELL.
AND, GOD, I JUST THANK YOU
THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL ENCOUNTER YOU IN THE RIVER,
EVEN RIGHT NOW.
THE RIVER OF GOD, THE RIVER THAT BRINGS LIFE.
AND, GOD, WE JUST PRAY HEALING
AND I JUST THANK YOU FOR THE OIL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THAT IS LIKE A BALM THAT HEALS THE HEART
AND HEALS THE SOUL AND BRINGS RESTORATION.
FATHER, I JUST THANK YOU FOR ALL THESE THINGS.
IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN.
NATE: AMEN.
REBECCA: HEALING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EPISODE.
ONLY THE LORD.
I LOVE IT, THOUGH.
I LOVE BEING LED.
IT'S THE BEST.
IT'S AN HONOR TO EVEN GET TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF,
THAT'S HOW I FEEL.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
SO YOU WERE ABLE TO FORGIVE YOUR STEPFATHER.
YOU WERE ABLE TO FORGIVE YOUR FATHER.
DID YOU EVER SEE YOUR FATHER AGAIN
AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE?
NATE: I NEVER MET MY DAD
UNTIL I WAS ABOUT,
I THINK I WAS 18 OR 19.
FOR WHATEVER REASON,
THAT EXPERIENCE THAT TOOK PLACE WITH MY STEPDAD,
DID THE SAME THING FOR HIM,
LIKE ACROSS-THE-BOARD.
IT WAS ACROSS-THE-BOARD,
I JUST RELEASED THEM.
REBECCA: IT WAS LIKE A RIPPLE EFFECT.
NATE: YEAH.
IT'S LIKE I REALLY DIDN'T EVEN FEEL LIKE I ADDRESSED IT.
I'VE JUST NOT FELT ANY UNFORGIVENESS THERE AT ALL.
IT WAS WEIRD.
IT JUST TOUCHED ALL BASES.
REBECCA: I THINK WHAT'S COOL IS,
THERE SEEMED TO BE A GENERATIONAL THING
AND GOD USED YOU TO BREAK THAT OFF IN YOUR FAMILY.
AND EVEN YOU'RE ABLE TO HELP YOUR BROTHER, RIGHT?
NATE: MANY YEARS LATER.
SO MY BROTHER AND I DISCONNECTED A BIT.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: MANY YEARS LATER,
I WAS WORKING FOR BENNY HINN AT THE TIME
ACTUALLY IN AUSTRALIA,
AND CHRISTY AND I HAD JUST BEEN,
I THINK WE HAD JUST BEEN MARRIED.
YEAH, 2006.
SO TWO YEARS LATER OR SO,
TWO OR THREE YEARS LATER AFTER THAT ENCOUNTER
WITH THE LORD,
AND I GET TO WORK AND I FEEL THIS ALARM
IN MY SPIRIT,
SEND YOUR BROTHER A MESSAGE.
I'M LIKE, HE WON'T WRITE BACK TO ME.
AND IT WAS THE LYRICS
TO ONE OF THE HILLSONG UNITED SONGS,
A THOUSAND TIMES I'VE FAILED,
STILL YOUR MERCY.
I TEXTED HIM THE LYRICS.
HE'S NOT A CHRISTIAN.
HE WAS WORKING IN THE CITY,
IN BRISBANE CITY.
I GET A MESSAGE STRAIGHTAWAY BACK
AND HE SAID CAN YOU PICK ME UP
AT THE TRAIN STATION TONIGHT?
I HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
I'M LIKE, WHOA, THIS IS NEW.
HE DOESN'T DO THIS.
HE WAS HARD, YOU KNOW.
AND HE WAS IN A DARK SCENE AS WELL.
AND I PICK HIM UP FROM THE TRAIN STATION,
AND IT WAS GOOD.
IT WAS A LOT.
HE'S A BIT OF A PRANKSTER, A JOKESTER.
HE WAS KIND OF,
FELT LIKE OLD DAYS.
BUT THEN AS WE GET OUT TO THE FRONT OF HIS HOUSE,
HE SAID STOP.
STOP HERE.
JUST PULL OUT THE FRONT.
I SAID, WHAT?
AND HE BROKE DOWN CRYING.
HE SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING THIS MORNING
WHEN YOU SENT ME THAT TEXT?
AND I SAID, NO, I JUST GOT TO WORK.
AND HE SAID, I WAS IN THE TOILETS
DOWN UNDERNEATH MY WORK IN THE BUILDING,
ABOUT TO POP 30 PILLS, END MY LIFE,
AND I WAS WRITING YOU A NOTE
BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE
THAT I CARE ABOUT.
AND I WAS ENDING MY LIFE.
I GET YOUR TEXT.
I WENT, OKAY.
OKAY, GOD.
IF THIS IS YOU, THEN FAIR ENOUGH.
I'M GONNA TALK TO NATE TONIGHT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND THEN HE BURST OUT CRYING AND SAID,
HOW DID YOU FORGIVE OUR STEPDAD?
HOW DID YOU DO IT?
HE SAID I RECOGNIZE YOUR LIFE IS DIFFERENT NOW.
WHAT'S GOING ON?
YOU'RE NOT A WRECK ANYMORE.
WHAT HAPPENED?
AND I TOLD HIM.
I TOLD HIM AND HE SAID,
YEAH, YOU TOLD ME THAT
BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
HOW DO YOU JUST FORGIVE HIM?
I SAID IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOD HAS TO EMPOWER YOU
AND ANOINT YOU TO DO.
YOU DO IT BY FAITH.
YOU SAY, GOD, HELP ME FORGIVE THEM.
JESUS EVEN SAID, FORGIVE YOUR BROTHER 70 TIMES 7.
THERE ARE PEOPLE LISTENING RIGHT NOW
AND LIKE, GOD, I'VE ALREADY FORGIVEN THIS PERSON.
YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP DOING IT.
BUT KNOWING THAT IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE.
AND HE THEN REACHED INTO HIS BAG
AND HE PULLED OUT THAT NOTE.
AND I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO READ IT.
RIP IT UP RIGHT NOW.
I LED HIM TO JESUS.
HE FORGAVE -
HE DID THE SAME THING.
IT'S CRAZY, BECAUSE MY WIFE AND I
WERE LOOKING AT PHOTOS OF HIM,
AND HIS EYES WERE DIFFERENT BEFORE AND AFTER.
LIKE DIFFERENT, THE LIGHT WENT ON.
AND I JUST LOVE THAT.
SO, YEAH, GOD IS SO GOOD.
HE IS ON THE PURSUIT FOR US.
THE FATHER IS.
HE'S THE SHEPHERD THAT LEAVES THE 99 FOR THE ONE.
AND I CAN'T THINK OF A MORE CRUCIAL TIME
THAT WE NEED TO ENCOUNTER THE FATHER,
AND THIS GENERATION NEEDS TO ENCOUNTER THE FATHER,
AND TO KNOW THAT HE'S SO AFTER THEM.
LIKE HE'S SO IN LOVE WITH THEM
AND AFTER THEM AND IN PURSUIT OF THEM.
AND WE GET TO BE PEOPLE THAT
ARE HIS REPRESENTATIVES OF THAT IN THE EARTH.
AND SO WHILE WE'RE SPEAKING TRUTH
AND WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE ALSO PEOPLE,
THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE LOVE YOU,
BUT WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH
WE'RE PULLING YOU OUT OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN IN.
AND THAT'S THE HEART OF THE FATHER.
THAT'S THE MINISTERS OF RECONCILIATION
THAT WE'RE CALLED TO BE.
SO I DON'T KNOW.
REBECCA: THAT MAKES ME THINK,
YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF AN ENCOUNTER I HAD WITH GOD,
I THINK NOW ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO.
AND I WAS IN MY CAR,
AND GOD'S PRESENCE JUST FELL ON ME IN MY CAR
AND I FELT HIS PRESENCE SO STRONG.
AND HE TOLD ME, HE SAYS, TELL PEOPLE
HOW MUCH I LOVE THEM.
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: AND HOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE
NEED TO HEAR,
THAT THIS GENERATION IS NEEDING.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: IS THE LOVE OF THE FATHER.
AND I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP
IN THIS TIME.
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS COMING A REVIVAL.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND IT'S GOING TO BE BIG.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO, AND I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE'RE IN
THE PREPARATION PHASE, I DON'T KNOW,
I'M NOT GOD.
BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT GOD HAS SHOWN YOU ABOUT THAT?
NATE: YEAH.
I DON'T THINK IT'S WHAT THE CHURCH IS
EXPECTING RIGHT NOW.
I'VE BEEN AROUND REVIVALS,
I'VE BEEN IN REVIVALS,
I'VE BEEN ONE OF THOSE -
I MEAN, WHEN I WAS LIKE 17
AND I USED TO JUST DRIVE AROUND WITH MY FRIEND,
WE WERE LIKE THESE LITTLE SURFY BOYS,
AND WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO FIND WHERE GOD WAS MOVING.
AND YOU SPEND THREE DAYS WITH STRAW IN YOUR HAIR
AND, YOU KNOW, ON THE FLOOR OF A TENT, YOU KNOW.
I LOVE ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT I THINK WHAT GOD'S DOING -
AND I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE,
JESUS REVOLUTION.
I WAS WATCHING THAT AND MY SPIRIT WAS LIKE,
IT'S NOT A REVIVAL, IT'S A REVOLUTION.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO SHOCK THE CHURCH
WHAT GOD DOES.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT GOD'S GONNA MOVE THROUGH
IN THAT SCENARIO IS VERY MUCH GONNA BE
VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN
THE JESUS PEOPLE MOVEMENT,
WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD EVEN OFFEND THE CHURCH.
IT COULD OFFEND THE CHURCH.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE MESSY -
I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE NEAT AND TIDY,
IT'S GONNA BE MESSY.
IT'S GOING TO BE LESS ABOUT
SOME CUTE LITTLE ENCOUNTER,
AND MORE ABOUT MOBILIZING AN ARMY FOR HARVEST, YOU KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY STRATEGIC
BECAUSE GOD IS SO AFTER SOULS.
HE'S SO AFTER JUST WANTING TO SHOW THIS GENERATION
HOW MUCH HE LOVES THEM.
AND HE'S WANTING TO RAISE UP A PEOPLE
WHO WOULD BE THE DISTRIBUTORS OF THAT, I GUESS.
AND SO FOR ME,
I'M NOT QUITE LOOKING FOR THE NEAT THING
IN THE CHURCH BUILDING.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE
BURSTING OUTSIDE OF IT.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE WILDERNESS MOVEMENTS
AND THE THINGS THAT LOOK MORE LIKE JOHN THE BAPTIST,
THAT EVEN OFFEND ME.
I'M LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST PERSONALLY
WHAT I BELIEVE.
I'M NOT SAYING GOD WON'T MOVE IN THOSE PLACES,
BECAUSE HE ABSOLUTELY WILL,
BUT I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT
THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW.
REBECCA: I JUST THINK YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN
SO THAT YOU DON'T -
IT MAKES ME THINK OF JOHN THE BAPTIST
WHEN HE WAS IN PRISON
AND JESUS TELLS -
HE SENT THE DISCIPLES TO GO SEE HIM.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT JESUS TELLS
JOHN THE BAPTIST,
BUT HE SAYS DON'T BE OFFENDED.
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SEE HIMSELF THERE.
AND SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT ALL IS GOING TO LOOK.
SO WE HAVE TO BE OPEN
AND ALLOW GOD TO DO WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO
AND NOT TO BE OFFENDED.
AND JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS AN ANOMALY OF HIS TIME.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
THAT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT YOUR BOOK.
NATE: OH, YEAH, YEAH.
THIS IS A BOOK FOR THE JOHN THE BAPTIST, FOR SURE.
REBECCA: I'VE GOT TO SHOW IT.
WILD ONES, THE PIONEER CALL OF EMERGING VOICES
FROM THE WILDNERNESS TO THE FRONT LINES.
AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT,
BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO SHARE
THE WORD THAT YOU FEEL LIKE GOD HAS FOR RIGHT NOW.
NATE: SOMETHING I WASN'T COMING ON HERE
TODAY TO TALK ABOUT,
BUT SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THE HEART OF THE FATHER,
I JUST NEED TO SHARE THIS.
ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO,
JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS CURRENT GENERATION
THAT I BELIEVE GOD WANTS TO TOUCH MIGHTILY,
PEOPLE RIGHT NOW ARE REALLY NOT KNOWING
HOW TO SPEAK TO THE LGBT.
THEY'RE REALLY STRUGGLING.
I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT MYSELF
BECAUSE IT'S THIS STRANGE KIND OF TENSION
THAT WE NEED TO BE PEOPLE THAT SPEAK THE TRUTH
WHILE WE ALSO NEED TO LOVE THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT TO ME
AS A KID THAT WAS DEMONIZED.
I DIDN'T OBVIOUSLY STRUGGLE WITH
WHAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING WITH,
BUT IT'S NO DIFFERENT.
I WAS AN ORPHAN.
I WAS SOMEONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS AWAY FROM GOD.
AND WE'VE BEEN REALLY STRUGGLING HOW TO HAVE
THIS CONVERSATION.
AND SO ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO,
WE HEARD THAT A FAMILY MEMBER OF OURS,
A YOUNG FAMILY MEMBER OF OURS,
IDENTIFIED HERSELF AS GAY.
AND WE WERE LIKE, WELL, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT?
I WAS IN THE LIVING ROOM FLOOR
HAVING A WORSHIP ONE NIGHT,
WHEN AS CLEAR AS DAY,
THE VOICE OF THE LORD SAYS,
WOE TO THE WRONG FATHER.
AND IT CAME THROUGH LIKE THIS ELIJAH SPIRIT,
LIKE, WOE TO THE WRONG FATHER!
AND IT BIRTHED THROUGH ME
AND I BEGAN TO SEE THE COUNTERFEIT FATHERING MOVEMENT
THAT ARE CREATED,
IDENTITY DYSFUNCTION.
AND THEN THE LORD SAID TO ME
IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHURCH RISING UP
AND FATHERING A GENERATION,
A COUNTERFEIT HAS COME.
AND THE COUNTERFEIT IS THE ENEMY PARADING AS A FATHER,
INSTILLING IDENTITY AND VALUES
THAT DO NOT COME FROM ME.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT NOW,
WHETHER YOU TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC OR NOT
ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA DOESN'T MATTER.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO REVEAL
THE HEART OF THE FATHER TO THIS GENERATION.
AND THAT MEANS, WHAT DOES A FATHER DO?
A FATHER INSTILLS IDENTITY, WORTH, LOVE,
BUT TRUTH.
IF MY DAUGHTER COMES TO ME AND SAYS,
YOU KNOW, DAD, THIS IS THE WAY I FEEL LIKE
I'M MEANT TO DO THIS.
I'LL SAY, AS YOUR FATHER,
I'M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT WAY,
TO DO SOMETHING.
AND IT'S REVEALING TRUTH
WHILE ACTUALLY SAYING, HEY, I LOVE YOU,
BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THE BEST PATH FOR YOU.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS HOUR,
TO BE THOSE VOICES.
IN MY BOOK I SPEAK ABOUT HAMMER AND OIL.
AND HOW THE LORD REALLY SPOKE TO ME
ABOUT WHEN I'M BEING
A VOICE OF REFORMATION IN THE CHURCH,
AND IT FEELS LIKE I'M JUST SLEDGING
AT ALL THE -
YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD BY A PASTOR YEARS AGO,
HEY, NATE, THAT HAMMER REFORMATION OF YOURS,
IT GETS PRETTY MESSY SOMETIMES.
AND I'M LIKE, YEAH, BECAUSE I'LL JUST GO INTO
ENVIRONMENTS SOMETIMES
AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S NOT WORKING,
THAT'S NOT WORKING.
YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE FROM THAT,
AND I'LL JUST DO THAT.
AND I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO ALSO
YOU KNOW, RELEASE THE OIL,
RELEASE THE FRAGRANCE OF GOD'S PRESENCE
IN A WAY THAT ACTUALLY,
YOU KNOW, I GUESS ESTABLISHED A BRIDGE IN BETWEEN
FOR THOSE CHURCH ENVIRONMENTS.
AND I THINK IT'S THE SAME IN THIS TOPIC.
WE NEED TO LOVE THESE PEOPLE.
BUT IT REALLY IS, IT'S A DEMONIC THING.
AND IT HAS TO BE SAID LIKE THAT.
IT'S A WRONG FATHER.
IT REALLY IS A WRONG FATHER.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LORD
RAISE UP A PEOPLE WHO WOULD
RELEASE THE LOVE OF A FATHER IN A WAY
THAT IT LITERALLY MADE PEOPLE GO,
OH, I'VE BEEN BELIEVING SOMETHING THAT IS COUNTERFEIT.
AND IN THAT MOMENT,
LIKE HAPPENED TO ME,
I SHIFTED OUT OF AN ORPHAN SPIRIT
INTO BEING A SON.
THEY SHIFTED OUT OF IDENTITY CONFUSION,
GENDER CONFUSION,
INTO I'M A DAUGHTER, I'M A SON.
YOU NOTICE THAT IT GOES AGAINST
THE VERY NATURE OF THE GOSPEL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS -
I BELIEVE THAT THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE,
ARE GOING TO BE A PEOPLE GOD MOVES THROUGH
IN A VERY POWERFUL WAY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: THEY'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE
A 2.0 OF LIKE SONSHIP MOVEMENT.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S COMING.
THAT'S A PART OF WHAT I WAS GONNA SHARE.
AND I ALSO FELT LIKE THE LORD WANTED ME
TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT WHAT HE'S DOING
IN THE CHURCH RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S AN INTERESTING PASSAGE
WHERE ELIJAH IN 1 KINGS 19,
HE SAYS TO GOD WHEN HE'S IN HIDING
AND HE'S RUN AWAY FROM JEZEBEL AND HE SAYS,
GOD, I'VE BEEN FAITHFUL.
I'VE DONE ALL THESE THINGS FOR YOU,
BUT THERE'S NO ONE ELSE,
IT'S JUST ME ALONE.
AND HE KEEPS DOING THIS STORY,
OF, YOU KNOW, WOE IS ME KIND OF THING.
AND WHAT DOES GOD SAY TO HIM IN THE END?
HE SAYS I'VE ACTUALLY PRESERVED A REMNANT
7,000 STRONG WHO'VE NOT -
NOT BOWED THEIR KNEES TO BAAL.
REBECCA: BAAL, THE FALSE GOD.
NATE: YEAH.
AND I BELIEVE THAT RIGHT NOW GOD IS RAISING UP
A PEOPLE WITHIN THE CHURCH
WHO ARE NOT JUST GOING TO CHURCH,
NOT JUST DOING CHURCH,
BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THIS PLACE
WHERE THEY'VE RESPONDED WITH A YES TO THE LORD,
THAT THEY WILL BE USED BY GOD IN A POWERFUL WAY
TO BE A VOICE OF CHANGE IN THIS ERA OF THE CHURCH.
THE OTHER PASSAGE THAT CAME TO MIND FOR ME
WAS IN 1 SAMUEL 2, VERSE 35.
AND IT SAYS BUT I'LL RAISE UP FOR MYSELF
A FAITHFUL PRIEST,
WHO WILL DO ACCORDING TO WHAT IS IN MY HEART
AND IN MY SOUL.
AND I'LL BUILD HIM AN ENDURING HOUSE
AND HE'LL WALK BEFORE MY ANOINTED ALWAYS.
GOD IS DOING SOMETHING RIGHT NOW
WHERE HE IS -
THERE'S A CLARION CALL TO THE CHURCH
WHO WILL NOT JUST -
WHO WILL NOT JUST ATTEND CHURCH,
WHO WILL NOT JUST HAVE THE TITLE OF CHRISTIAN,
BUT WHO WILL STEP INTO THE PRIESTHOOD.
WHO WILL STEP INTO THE PRIESTHOOD
TO BE MY REPRESENTATIVES IN ALL THE AREAS
THAT IT MATTERS RIGHT NOW IN CULTURE.
ALL THE PLACES THAT NEED REPRESENTATIVES OF GOD,
WHO NEED TO EXPERIENCE THE LOVE OF THE FATHER,
THE MOUNTAINS OF INFLUENCE,
POLITICS, EDUCATION, ALL THOSE.
WHO WILL BE MY REPRESENTATIVES
IN THIS ERA AND THIS TIME?
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT IS REVEALING ITSELF
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE BODY OF CHRIST
ARE FEELING A DISCONTENT,
THEY'RE FEELING A DISSATISFACTION
FOR THE THINGS THEY WERE ONCE DOING.
MAYBE IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS YOU'RE LIKE,
YEAH, I'VE BEEN FEELING THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHY I'M FEELING THIS.
I FEEL BAD THAT I'M FEELING THIS DISCONTENT.
IT'S NOT THAT GOD'S WANTING TO TURN YOU AGAINST
THE THING THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING,
IT'S JUST THAT HE'S HIGHLIGHTING IN YOU
THAT THERE'S A DEEPER CALL UPON YOUR LIFE
AND HE'S WANTING YOU TO STEP INTO YOUR SHOES
AS A VOICE OF CHANGE FOR THE TIMES.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW
IN THE CHURCH.
WE'RE SEEING THIS,
I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S LIKE A SEPARATION,
I BELIEVE IT'S ALMOST LIKE,
IT'S JUST LIKE GIDEON'S MEN WHERE GOD'S LIKE,
WHO ARE THE ONES WHO ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS?
IT'S LIKE A SECOND YES.
WE SAID YES TO HIM.
GOD'S LIKE, WHO'S REALLY IN ON THIS?
YOU KNOW, DAVID DIDN'T NEED TO DANCE THE ARK
BACK TO ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE,
BUT HE DID IT BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE I'M ALL IN.
I'M NOT JUST GONNA DO THE CEREMONY,
THIS IS A WORSHIP.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
ANOTHER EXAMPLE I THINK IS DAVID'S MIGHTY MEN.
IMAGINE ALL THE ARMIES THEY HAD,
LIKE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE,
BUT YET DAVID HAD, WAS IT 300 MIGHTY MEN?
AND THE DISTINCTION IS THIS.
THE ARMY WOULD SERVE THE KINGDOM,
DAVID'S MEN SERVED THE KING.
AND THERE'S A DISTINCTION.
YOU KNOW, THE STORY OF WHERE DAVID SAID IN PASSING,
OH, MAN, I'D SO LOVE TO JUST HAVE
SOME WATER FROM BETHLEHEM RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE WAS THE PHILISTINES IN BETWEEN,
YOU KNOW, THE PLACE.
AND IN THE NIGHT, HIS MEN AS A WORSHIP
THEY WENT, STORMED THROUGH KILLING ALL THESE PHILISTINES,
AND BROUGHT BACK THIS WATER FOR DAVID.
AND HE POURED IT ON THE GROUND AS A WORSHIP.
THAT'S JUST DAVID.
HE'S AWESOME.
THERE'S A DISTINCTION RIGHT NOW BETWEEN THOSE
WHO ARE LIKE, OKAY, I'M SERVING IN THE ARMY
OR AM I SERVING THE KING?
AND GOD IS PULLING ON THE HEARTS
OF HIS CHURCH RIGHT NOW
TO SAY, HEY, WILL YOU GO EVEN A LITTLE BIT DEEPER?
WILL YOU BE ALL-IN ON WHAT I'M ABOUT TO DO,
BECAUSE THERE'S A PLAY THAT'S ABOUT TO UNFOLD
IN THE EARTH I'M PREPARING YOU FOR.
I'M GETTING YOU IN SHAPE FOR THIS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HAVING TO STEP INTO
SOME PLACES OF BOLDNESS YOU HAVEN'T HAD TO BEFORE.
THAT'S WHY I'M CLEANING UP SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT ARE GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE.
THAT'S WHY THINGS ARE COMING TO THE SURFACE.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONFRONTATIONS
AND I'M EXPOSING AREAS
WHERE THERE'S JUST BEEN SNAKES IN THE GRASS
IN YOUR LIFE, AND PEOPLE, THE WRONG ALIGNMENTS.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS POINT TO THE FACT
THAT GOD IS GETTING US READY.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE PERSONALLY.
REBECCA: I THINK IT'S A GREAT TIME TO BE ALIVE, TOO.
IF YOU LEAN INTO THAT AND YOU DON'T LOOK AT THINGS
FROM AN EARTHLY PERSPECTIVE.
BECAUSE THE SAME ENEMY THAT IS CAUSING THIS CONFUSION,
IN THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY
IS ALSO SPEAKING OUT FEAR TO THE WORLD.
AND IT'S TELLING PEOPLE THAT IT'S BAD.
BUT OUR SOURCE IS THE LORD.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND I THINK ABOUT THAT VERSE WHERE
PAUL SAYS THAT YOU WILL SHINE LIKE STARS
AMONGST THE DARKNESS,
AMONGST A CROOKED GENERATION.
AND I WANT TO HIT ON ALL THE THINGS,
SINCE I BROUGHT UP THE LGBTQ,
WE CAN START WITH THAT AND WORK OUR WAY THROUGH,
I THINK THAT'S SUCH A GOOD WORD.
I THINK THE DEVIL WANTS TO MAKE HIMSELF LIKE A FATHER.
AND WHOEVER, WHEN WE'RE ALL BORN,
WHICH THIS BLEW MY MIND
WHEN I UNDERSTOOD THIS IN BIBLE SCHOOL,
IS THAT WE ALL COME INTO THIS WORLD
REJECTED BY GOD
BECAUSE WE'RE BORN INTO SIN.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND OUR FATHER IS THE DEVIL,
WHICH IS SUCH A CRAZY THING TO EVEN THINK ABOUT,
UNTIL WE ARE BORN OF GOD
AND WE COME INTO HIS FAMILY
WHEN WE GET BORN AGAIN.
AND SO IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE
I INTERVIEWED A SATANIST
AND HE SAID HIS FATHER WAS THE DEVIL
AND HE WORSHIPED THE DEVIL.
HE SERVED THE DEVIL.
AND HE WAS HIGH, HIGH UP IN SANTERIA.
JESUS BEGAN MINISTERING TO HIM AND SAYING,
YOU KNOW, BECKONING HIM TO HIMSELF.
AND HE WAS SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT.
AND SO GOD GAVE HIM THIS EXPERIENCE
WHERE HE WENT DOWN INTO HELL.
AND THEN HE SAW THE DEVIL.
AND IT'S SUCH A CRAZY STORY,
BUT HE SAID THE DEVIL SAID TO THIS GUY,
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MY SON, I LOVE YOU,
BUT I HAVE TO DESTROY YOU NOW.
AND JESUS REVEALED TO HIM THAT
THE DEVIL WHO HE THOUGHT HIS WHOLE LIFE LOVED HIM
REALLY DIDN'T LOVE HIM AND MEANT TO DESTROY HIM.
AND AS THE DEVIL GOES TO DESTROY HIM,
THE CROSS SHOWS UP IN THE MIDDLE
AND MAKES HIM FALL BACK.
AND THEN HE COMES AT HIM AGAIN
AND THE CROSS SHOWS UP AGAIN
AND HE FALLS WAY BACK.
AND HE COMES BACK UP OUT
BACK INTO EARTH, BACK INTO HIS BODY
AND HE GETS SAVED.
AND NOW HE SPENDS HIS LIFE REVEALING, YOU KNOW,
THE DECEPTIONS OF THE DEVIL,
WITCHCRAFT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT THAT IS WHAT HE DOES.
HE IS, THROUGH THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY,
IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS BEING MARKETED
AS COMPASSIONATE.
AND IT'S SAYING THIS IS AN IDENTITY
AND IT'S A FALSE IDENTITY.
AND THE REASON WE KNOW IT'S THE ENEMY
IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH CONFUSION.
THERE'S SO MUCH CHAOS.
IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO LEARN WHO GOD IS
AND WHAT ARE THE TRAITS OF GOD
AND WHO THE DEVIL IS
AND WHAT HIS TRAITS ARE.
BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A WAY TO DISCERN
IS THIS FROM THE LORD OR IS THIS NOT?
AND I WAS JUST LISTENING TO THE TESTIMONY
OF A GIRL, CHLOE,
WHO HAD TRANSITIONED, HAD GOTTEN THE SURGERY,
SHE REMOVED HER BREASTS.
AND SHE WAS UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF HER SCHOOL,
OF THERAPISTS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS,
AND ONLY ENDED UP MORE TRAUMATIZED.
AND SHE'S COME OUT OF IT.
SHE'S BACK TO IDENTIFYING AS A WOMAN,
BUT SHE WAS BEING INTERVIEWED AND SHE SAID,
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HAVING THIS SURGERY
WOULD JUST BRING MORE TRAUMA.
AND SHE SAID I WISH SOMEONE WOULD HAVE JUST TOLD ME
THAT IT'S OKAY TO BE A WOMAN,
THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR BODY,
THAT YOU ARE ENOUGH.
AND IT ALL TIED BACK TO IDENTITY.
AND I THINK WHAT
I FEEL LIKE THE WORD THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IS
THE REASON WHY SO MANY CHRISTIANS ARE STRUGGLING
IS BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
NATE: NO.
REBECCA: AND I THINK THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING,
YOU NEED THE HEART OF THE FATHER.
BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY WE CAN LOVE PEOPLE
IS THROUGH THE HEART OF THE FATHER.
AND THEN ALSO, I THINK THE REASON WHY PEOPLE
ARE STRUGGLING -
THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO LISTEN TO TESTIMONIES
OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE STRUGGLED WITH IT,
BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HELPS ME EMPATHIZE AND UNDERSTAND.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: BUT I THINK CHRISTIANS ARE STRUGGLING
BECAUSE THERE IS A DEMONIC AGENDA
THAT IS BEING PUSHED.
AND IT'S WRONG AND IT'S GONE FROM CHRISTIANS
NEED TO TOLERATE IT,
TO CHRISTIANS NEED TO ACCEPT THIS OR ELSE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO SEPARATE OUT FROM A DEMONIC AGENDA
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING
AND LOVE THOSE PEOPLE.
AND YOU CAN STAND UP TO THE AGENDA
AND SAY IT'S WRONG AND NOT BOW A KNEE TO IT,
BUT YOU CAN ALSO HUMBLE YOURSELF AND SHOW LOVE.
NATE: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: IN THE FATHER'S HEART TO THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE SUFFERING.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THESE CONVERSATIONS
ARE SO IMPORTANT,
BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE SO UNCOMFORTABLE
THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT,
THEY'RE AFRAID OF BEING CANCELED.
AND THAT'S JUST THE ENEMY, TOO.
BUT THERE IS A BAD FATHER
AND THEN THERE'S OUR REAL FATHER.
AND WHEN YOU COME INTO HIS KINGDOM,
YOU'RE IN HIS FAMILY.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY FOR THAT.
AND I HEARD A WORD ABOUT
HOW THEY BELIEVE THAT PART OF THE NEXT GREAT REVIVAL
WILL BE THAT MOVEMENT.
AND I JUST THINK, I THINK THIS IS
MY THIRD TIME SAYING IT,
WHAT THE DEVIL MEANT FOR EVIL,
GOD MEANT FOR GOOD.
BUT THE CHURCH NEEDS TO ASK GOD FOR HIS HEART.
AND INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RUN AWAY FROM IT,
HIDE FROM IT,
NOT TALK ABOUT IT.
I ASKED GOD, GIVE ME YOUR HEART FOR THIS.
BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE A BOLDNESS
TO STAND UP FOR TRUTH,
AND THERE NEEDS TO BE CLARITY FOR SOME PEOPLE
BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN CONFUSED,
AND THEY'RE STARTING TO AFFIRM IT,
AND THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A SUPERNATURAL DEPOSIT
OF GOD'S LOVE.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S HOW YOU MINISTER TO PEOPLE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT IN YOUR HEART NATURALLY
FOR ALL PEOPLE.
NATE: NO.
REBECCA: GOD GIVES IT TO YOU.
AND GOD, THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE PROPHETIC,
GOD WILL SHOW YOU HIS PURPOSE
AND HIS INTENTION AND HIS LOVE FOR SOMEONE.
AND SO FOR PEOPLE -
AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE IN MY LIFE THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND,
WERE DIFFICULT AND I DID NOT LIKE IN MY SOUL
AND I'VE HAD GOD REVEAL THINGS ABOUT THEM TO ME.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE FATHER'S HEART.
BUT WE ONLY GET THE FATHER'S HEART
THROUGH INTIMACY WITH HIM
AND ASKING HIM WHAT'S ON YOUR HEART?
WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS?
AND SO MANY PEOPLE TALK TO GOD
AND THEY SAY, I NEED THIS, THIS, THIS.
AND GOD CAN DO ANYTHING,
AND HE LOVES US, AND HE WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF US,
BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE INTO AN INTIMACY
FROM I NEED THESE THINGS
TO WHAT IS ON YOUR HEART
AND WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: AND THAT TRANSITIONS TO THE NEXT WORD,
WHICH IS MOVING IN DEEPER.
I THINK ABOUT THE TABERNACLE.
THE TABERNACLE OF MOSES,
IT TALKS ABOUT IN HEBREW IS IN HEAVEN,
THE TABERNACLE ON THE EARTH IS A TYPE AND SHADOW
OF WHAT'S IN HEAVEN.
ISAIAH WENT UP TO HEAVEN
AND HE SAYS WOE IS ME.
WHEN HE SEES GOD HE GOES, WOE IS ME.
I'M A MAN OF UNCLEAN LIPS.
NATE: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND THE ANGEL COMES AND GRABS THE COAL
AND PUTS IT ON ISAIAH'S LIPS
AND HE'S PURIFIED.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE COAL FROM THE BRAZEN ALTAR.
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: WHICH IS THE SECOND PART OF THE TABERNACLE.
BUT THAT TABERNACLE, I HAD A TEACHING BY ZACH NEESE,
HE HAS A BOOK, HOW TO WORSHIP A KING,
BUT HE BREAKS DOWN THE TABERNACLE
AND HOW WE APPLY IT TO OUR OWN LIVES.
AND SO MANY PEOPLE,
THERE'S THE OUTER COURTS,
AND YOU HAVE TO -
THE FIRST THING IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THANKSGIVING.
THAT'S PRAISE.
BUT THE SECOND THING IS THE BRAZEN ALTAR.
AND NOT ONLY IS IT PUTTING OUR LIVES
UPON THE ALTAR AND SAYING,
BURN UP WHAT'S NOT PLEASING TO YOU,
IT ALSO IS A SUBMISSION TO THE LORD.
IT'S ALSO GOD, WHAT JESUS DID ON THE CROSS,
GOING DOWN INTO THE DEPTHS OF HELL
AND SAVING US AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN THERE.
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: AND THEN IT'S THE LAVER,
WHICH WASHES US, THAT'S GOD'S WORD.
SO YOU CAN'T BE WASHED BY THE WORD OF GOD
UNTIL YOU SUBMIT YOURSELF TO HIM.
NATE: THAT'S IT.
REBECCA: AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE HOLY PLACE.
AND THERE'S JUST SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE OUTSIDE,
THAT HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE HOLY PLACE
AND THAT'S WHERE THE TABLE OF SHEWBREAD IS,
THAT'S COMMUNION WITH JESUS,
THAT'S WHERE THE GOLDEN LAMPSTAND IS,
THAT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT.
AND THEN IS THE HOLY OF HOLIES.
AND SO GOD IS WAITING FOR US
TO COME NEAR TO HIM,
AND HE'S EVEN GIVEN US AN EXAMPLE IN THE WORD,
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
NATE: YES.
REBECCA: AND I WANT TO READ THAT VERSE AGAIN.
IT SAYS, THEN I WILL RAISE UP A FAITHFUL PRIEST
WHO WILL SERVE ME AND DO WHAT I DESIRE.
I WILL ESTABLISH HIS FAMILY
AND THEY WILL BE PRIESTS TO MY ANOINTED KINGS FOREVER.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER.
AND I THINK ABOUT GIDEON'S ARMY,
IS THAT THEY -
WHAT DID THEY DO DIFFERENTLY?
NATE: IT WAS THE DRINKING.
REBECCA: OF THE WATER.
THEY WEREN'T JUST LIKE DRINKING IT,
THEY WERE BEING WATCHFUL.
NATE: THEY WERE BEING WATCHFUL.
I THINK, I MEAN I'VE HEARD THIS SAID
SO THIS ISN'T MINE,
BUT I HEARD SOMEONE SAY LIKE,
THIS IS A SEASON GOD'S WANTING TO SEE WHO DRINKS.
GOD'S WANTING TO SEE WHO,
IN A TIME WHERE THERE'S SO MANY DISTRACTIONS AROUND US,
WHO'S MAKING TIME TO, YOU KNOW
FILL UP THEIR LAMPS, YOU KNOW,
AND STAY FULL.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: AND HE'S JUST LOOKING FOR THOSE
WHO WILL DO THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S THOSE WHO GOD'S GOING TO
GIVE THESE MESSAGES,
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THIS TIME
WHERE THE CHURCH NEEDS NEW STRATEGIES,
AND WAYS OF LOOKING AT THINGS.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW UNLESS WE DRINK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW UNLESS WE'RE LIKE
INTIMATE WITH THE LORD.
I ACTUALLY HAD AN ENCOUNTER,
OR A VISION YEARS AGO,
WHERE I WAS ON THE OUTER COURTS.
AND I COULD HEAR THINGS GOING ON
IN ANOTHER ROOM.
AND IT WAS ALMOST LIKE
I WAS EXPERIENCING THE PRESENCE OF GOD,
BUT I WAS WANTING MORE, YOU KNOW.
AND THE LORD WAS JUST LIKE, JOIN ME,
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE.
AND IT WAS A SEASON OF MY LIFE WHERE I SPENT,
FOR EIGHT MONTHS,
WHEN WE FIRST GOT MARRIED ACTUALLY,
CHRISTY THOUGHT SHE MARRIED A CRAZY PERSON,
BY THE WAY.
SHE WAS LIKE, I WOULD SPEND THREE TO FOUR HOURS,
SOMETIMES LONGER, IN MY STUDY ON MY BACK AT NIGHT.
NO ONE TOLD ME HOW TO DO THIS,
I DIDN'T KNOW.
PEOPLE CALL IT SOAKING THESE DAYS OR WHATEVER.
I WAS JUST HUNGRY FOR GOD,
SO CHRISTY DID MARRY A CRAZY,
SHE WOULD WALK PAST THE DOOR AND GO,
OH, WHO DID I MARRY?
AND YEARS LATER, GOD ENDED UP GETTING HER, TOO,
SO IT WAS GOOD.
BUT I WOULD JUST LAY ON MY BACK
AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST LIKE, WEEK,
I SAID, GOD, I WANT TO JUST LAY ON MY BACK.
I NEED YOU TO SPEAK.
AND IT WAS LIKE
I COULDN'T GET ME OUT OF MY HEAD, YOU KNOW.
I WAS LIVING THIS OUTER COURTS THING.
AND THEN SOMETHING BROKE AND I BEGAN EXPERIENCING,
NOT JUST THE PRESENCE, BUT THE GLORY.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE GLORY FEELS LIKE?
IT'S LIKE THOSE MOMENTS WHERE -
REBECCA: IT'S WEIGHTY.
NATE: OH, YOU CAN'T MOVE.
YOU CAN'T TALK.
GOD'S LIKE, GOOD, HE SHUT UP FINALLY, YOU KNOW.
HE'S LETTING ME MINISTER TO HIM, RIGHT?
THAT'S THE PLACE.
AND IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE WE'RE WANTING TO BRING
PEOPLE TO THE TABLE LIKE YOU SAID,
THE SHEWBREAD,
HOW CAN WE LEAD PEOPLE TO THE TABLE THAT NEED IT
UNLESS WE'VE BEEN THERE OURSELVES?
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
NATE: SO THAT'S OUR MISSION.
REBECCA: AND ONLY PRIESTS COULD GO INTO -
NATE: THAT'S RIGHT.
COME ON, YOU'RE -
COME ON, DROP IT.
REBECCA: BUT HE SAID THAT WE ARE ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.
WHEN WE WERE SAVED,
SALVATION, THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSED OUR TEMPLE
THAT THE PRESENCE OF GOD,
THE HOLY SPIRIT MAY LIVE INSIDE OF US.
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHY JESUS HAD TO -
THERE WAS AN ORDER TO EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK WE FORGET THE HOLY SPIRIT.
BUT THE REASON THAT WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS
HE SAID IT'S FINISHED.
IN THE TEMPLE, THERE WAS A THICK,
VERY, VERY THICK AND VERY, VERY TALL
PIECE OF FABRIC, A CURTAIN,
THAT SEPARATED THE HOLY OF HOLIES
FROM THE HOLY PLACE.
AND ONLY THE HIGH PRIEST COULD GO THERE ONE DAY A YEAR.
AND HE HAD TO GET DOWN ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES
AND IT WAS A VERY SMALL OPENING.
AND IT SHOWS THE AWE OF GOD.
HOW AMAZING, HOW AWESOME, HOW HOLY IS
THE FEAR OF THE LORD.
BUT WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS
THAT VEIL WAS RIPPED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
ONLY SOMETHING THAT GOD COULD DO.
BUT IN THAT MOMENT HE WAS SAYING,
MY PRESENCE WILL NO LONGER BE JUST HERE,
BUT IT WILL NOW INDWELL IN MY PEOPLE,
WHICH IS WHAT HE WANTED, BACK TO THAT INTIMACY,
THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT WE LOST IN THE GARDEN
WHEN ADAM FELL.
IT WAS HIS INTENTION ALL ALONG.
AND THE THING THAT, I DON'T KNOW,
THE THING THAT I'VE REALLY BEEN MEDITATING ON,
IS HOW GOD WANTS,
THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE OF THE BIBLE,
GOD WANTS A PEOPLE FOR HIMSELF.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: THAT HE CREATED US TO BE KINGS AND PRIESTS,
IT SAYS THAT IN REVELATION 5.
AND HE WANTS TO ESTABLISH THAT
AND HE WANTS TO ESTABLISH WORSHIP AMONG HIS PEOPLE.
AND SO THESE ARE THE THINGS
THAT JUST MAKES ME SUPER EXCITED.
IT MAKES ME HAVE SUCH AN AWE OF THE LORD.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT GOD'S
REALLY BEEN DOING IN ME IS TAKING OUT THE THINGS
THAT ARE NOT NECESSARY
AND BEING WILLING TO TAKE THINGS AWAY
SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE OF HIM.
PRIORITIZING MY TIME TO SPEND WITH HIM.
AND REALLY JUST HOLINESS.
AND I THINK WE HAD A -
HOLINESS IS NOT A BAD THING.
IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING.
IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE LIKE HIM.
AND HE CALLS US INTO A LIFE OF HOLINESS
AND IT'S NOT MANMADE.
YOU CAN'T DO IT OF YOUR OWN SELF.
IT'S BY ABIDING IN HIM AND BEING LED BY HIS SPIRIT.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT GOD WANTS TO TAKE YOU DEEPER,
YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE WHAT ARE YOU WILLING
TO GIVE UP?
AND I THINK ABOUT HOW WE HAVE SO MANY DISTRACTIONS,
WE HAVE MUSIC AND TV
AND ALL THESE THINGS IN THE WEST
AND WE CAN CONSTANTLY BE DISTRACTED,
AND NEVER HEAR THE VOICE OF GOD.
BUT IT'S LIKE WHAT ELSE ARE YOU WILLING TO
PUT ASIDE FOR HIM?
AND SO I FEEL LIKE THE TWO WORDS
FOR THIS SEASON OF MY LIFE
THAT I'VE REALLY BEEN MEDITATING ON,
IS I WANT PROXIMITY TO THE LORD.
I WANT TO BE CLOSE TO HIM.
AND PREEMINENCE,
WHICH MEANS HE HAS RULE OVER EVERY AREA OF MY LIFE.
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: AND SO THAT'S THE BECKONING
THAT GOD HAS FOR US.
HE'S DRAWING US INTO SOMETHING DEEPER,
BUT IT'S OUR CHOICE.
BUT I WANT TO STAND BEFORE HIM,
I DON'T WANT TO GET UP TO HEAVEN AND THINK
THERE'S SO MUCH MORE I COULD HAVE DONE.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND I DON'T WANT TO BEHOLD HIS GLORY
AND HIS GOODNESS
AND THINK, WHY DIDN'T I DO MORE FOR YOU?
BECAUSE HE'S WORTH IT.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO, AND YOU KNOW WHAT BLOWS MY MIND?
NATE: WHAT'S THAT?
REBECCA: IS THAT ONE OF MY FAVORITE TEACHERS,
HE'S IN HEAVEN NOW,
AND I'M LIKE, WE WILL STAND BEFORE GOD
AND IT ISN'T JUST THE THINGS,
HOW WE AFFECT PEOPLE IN THE PRESENT,
BUT IF YOU DO THINGS CORRECTLY,
YOUR OBEDIENCE WILL IMPACT THE GENERATIONS,
AND WE'LL BE REWARDED FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S A GIFT THAT WE CAN GIVE TO THE LORD.
BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THIS PERSON
WHO'S NO LONGER ALIVE
WHO HAS IMPACTED MY LIFE
WHICH IMPACTS OTHER PEOPLE.
THE RIPPLE EFFECTS ARE ACTUALLY MASSIVE.
AND SO I ALWAYS THINK OF IT AS
INVESTING INTO ETERNITY.
THERE IS SO MUCH MORE IF YOU HAVE HEAVENLY THINKING.
THE IMPACT IS SO MUCH GREATER
THAN WE CAN EVEN REALIZE.
WE CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE
THAT OUR YES AND OUR OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS.
BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK A HEAVENLY UNDERSTANDING
AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF ETERNITY
AND LIVING YOUR LIFE BEHOLDING HIM AND SAYING,
GOD, I LONG FOR YOUR APPEARING,
AND THAT I WILL OBEDIENT TO YOU UNTIL THEN,
THAT I AM YOUR BRIDE.
IT GOES BACK TO IDENTITY,
THAT WE MAKE THE MOST OF OUR LIVES TO HIM.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S OUR DECISION,
ARE WE GONNA BE LED BY THE SPIRIT
AS SONS OF GOD ARE,
OR ARE WE GONNA BE LED BY OUR FLESH?
THE BEAUTIFUL THING IS,
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TIME
WAY EARLIER IN THE PODCAST,
AND THAT GOD CAN REDEEM TIME.
NATE: YES.
REBECCA: AND I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THE APOSTLE PAUL
WHO GREW UP AND HE TALKS ABOUT
LIKE AN APOSTLE OUT OF DUE TIME
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE HE WASN'T WITH JESUS WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH.
HE WAS PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT GOD IN HIS GRACE AND HIS MERCY
APPEARED BEFORE PAUL AND TOOK HIS LIFE
AND HE MADE IT COUNT.
AND YOU SEE THE IMPACT OF HIS LIFE TO THIS DAY.
SO GOD CAN REDEEM IT.
SO WHOEVER'S LISTENING TO THIS AND THEY THINK
OH, I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW -
IT'S TOO LATE FOR ME OR THIS OR THIS OR THAT,
IT'S NEVER TOO LATE.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE BREATHING,
GOD CAN TAKE YOUR LIFE AND MAKE IT MEAN SOMETHING,
YOU JUST HAVE TO SUBMIT YOURSELF TO HIM.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
AND WE'RE IN A TIME RIGHT NOW
THAT IT JUST -
IT'S SO OBVIOUS THAT ALL THESE THINGS IN THE WORLD
WILL NOT SATISFY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: THERE'S NOTHING THAT WILL SATISFY LIKE JESUS.
AND IT'S CRAZY HOW RIPE THE WORLD IS.
LIKE YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU BEGIN TO SHARE THIS STUFF,
YOU GET OPPOSITION IN SOME PLACES,
BUT I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE JUST -
THEY RECOGNIZE ALL THE THINGS THEY'RE CHASING
IN THE WORLD.
EVEN CELEBRITIES, IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING
FOR THEM ANYMORE.
THE HIGH THEY'RE GETTING FROM IT IS SO LITTLE, YOU KNOW.
AND THEY'RE LIKE WHAT IS THAT?
WHAT IS THAT THING THAT'S GONNA GIVE ME THAT FEELING
OF BEING FULFILLED?
AND IT CAN ONLY BE JESUS.
SO WE NEED TO BE LIVING LIKE THAT, TOO.
AND LIKE YOU SAID,
THE WORD HOLINESS,
IT GETS A BAD RAP,
BUT IT JUST MEANS BEING SET APART FOR JESUS.
REBECCA: MM-HMM.
NATE: IT JUST MEANS LIKE JESUS,
I'M FULLY YOURS.
MY APPETITE, IT'S YOU, NOTHING ELSE.
YOU'RE MY PRIZE.
I'M NOT DOING THIS FOR ACCOLADES OR REPUTATION
OR GETTING MY NAME IN LIGHTS.
ALL THAT STUFF IS MEANINGLESS.
IT'S YOU.
SO WHATEVER I NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW
TO ADJUST MY LIFE TO THAT,
I'LL DO IT.
BECAUSE I'M DONE WASTING MY TIME
CHASING ALL THESE THINGS
THAT DON'T LEAD ME ANYWHERE.
REBECCA: YEAH, AND LEAD TO DEATH.
IF IT'S SIN, THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH.
AND I THINK ABOUT, I THINK ABOUT MY OWN LIFE,
I WAS IN DECEPTION.
AND I WAS AWAY FROM GOD.
AND I HAD TO HAVE -
GOD GAVE ME A VISION.
NATE: WOW.
REBECCA: AND IN THE VISION IT WAS THIS
PITCH-BLACK DARKNESS
AND THERE WAS THIS PATH.
AND ON THE PATH IT WAS COMPLETELY BROKEN
AND DRY AND DEAD.
IT'S LIKE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A DESERT.
AND THE VERSE IMMEDIATELY CAME TO ME,
BROAD IS THE WAY TO DESTRUCTION.
AND GOD SPOKE TO ME AND HE SAYS,
IF YOU CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH
YOU WILL DESTROY YOURSELF.
AND I JUST THINK FOR THE MERCY OF GOD,
THE GRACE OF GOD,
YOU KNOW, IN MY DECEPTION HE SPOKE TO ME
AND SHOWED ME THE TRUTH.
AND I MADE A DECISION RIGHT THEN AND THERE,
THAT TURNED THE WHOLE OF MY LIFE AROUND.
BUT WHEN I CAME BACK TO THE LORD,
THIS IS WHEN I WAS 18, 19,
WHEN I CAME BACK TO HIM,
I FELT LIKE I UNDERSTOOD THE WORDS OF PETER
WHERE HE GOES, GOD, WHERE ELSE COULD WE GO?
LORD, WHERE ELSE COULD WE GO?
YOU ALONE HAVE THE WORDS OF LIFE.
AND THERE WAS THIS UNDERSTANDING
BECAUSE I HAD BEEN WAYWARD,
I WAS LIKE, I KNOW THE ANSWER IS NOT THERE.
YOU ARE MY ONLY ANSWER
AND THERE'S NO TURNING BACK.
AND THERE'S THIS UNDERSTANDING BEING A BELIEVER
THAT THERE'S NO TURNING BACK
AND IT'S ALSO SAYING TO COUNT THE COST
KNOWING THAT JESUS SAYS HAVE YOU COUNT THE COST?
AND I THINK ABOUT, I HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE LORD
WHERE HE GAVE ME A VISION OF
THESE BELIEVERS THAT WERE WORSHIPING.
THEY WERE ASIAN.
I BELIEVE THEY WERE CHINESE.
AND THEY WERE BEHOLDING THE GLORY OF GOD
AND THEIR FACES ILLUMINATED HIS GLORY.
AND I KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE THEIR LIVES
FOR WORSHIPING HIM.
AND SO HE SAYS, HAVE YOU COUNTED THE COST
AND HE GAVE ME THAT VISION.
AND IN THAT MOMENT I WAS LIKE,
LORD, I COUNT THE COSTS.
WHATEVER IT IS, I CHOOSE YOU.
AND SO WHEN YOU CHOOSE HIM,
YOU HAVE TO COUNT THE COSTS
AND THEN THERE'S NO TURNING BACK.
BUT HE IS ALONG THE WAY OF LIFE.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND WHATEVER WE DO FOR HIM,
IT WILL BE WORTH IT.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK DEREK PRINCE, WHO'S ONE OF MY -
REBECCA: THAT'S MY -
THAT'S - YES.
NATE: I KNEW WHEN YOU SAID IT I WAS LIKE,
I WONDER IF IT'S DEREK PRINCE?
REBECCA: THAT'S SO FUNNY. YEAH.
NATE: CHRISTY PUT ME ON HIM, BY THE WAY.
I'VE READ HIS BOOKS AND STUFF.
BUT HEARING HIM ON YOUTUBE, HIS MONOTONE.
REBECCA: THAT'S HOW I LISTEN TO HIM.
NATE: I DON'T CARE, IT IS SO AMAZING.
IT'S DEEP.
BUT ANYWAY DEREK PRINCE SAYS
WHEN YOU GO JOIN AN ARMY
TO FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY,
YOU COUNT THE COSTS.
THAT COULD COST YOU YOUR LIFE.
WHY IS THE KINGDOM ANY DIFFERENT?
WE'RE LOOKING FOR COMFORT INSTEAD OF REALIZING
WE'VE JOINED AN ARMY
AND WE MAY, THAT'S JUST WHAT THIS IS.
AND SO LIKE YOU SAID, COUNT THE COST,
WE'RE IN THIS OR WE'RE NOT.
REBECCA: I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES
WITH BEING A CHRISTIAN IN THE WEST
IS WE HAVE FREEDOM, THANK GOD,
I'M THANKFUL FOR IT
BUT WE LIVE IN A PLACE
WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH COMFORT,
DISTRACTION AND SEDUCTION.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING FIGHTING FOR OUR AFFECTION.
NATE: YES.
REBECCA: AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING PERSECUTED,
THEY ARE RISKING THEIR LIVES.
BUT WITH US, IT'S A DIFFERENT BATTLE THAT WE FACE.
AND IT'S TO NOT BE LED ASTRAY,
TO NOT BE SEDUCED BY THE WORLD
AND TO NOT GET COMFORTABLE.
AND I'VE BEEN GUILTY SO MANY TIMES
OF WANTING TO BE COMFORTABLE
OR THINKING THAT THIS WORLD IS IT.
BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE AROUND US
THEY'RE LIVING THEIR LIVES THAT WAY,
BUT WE CAN'T LIVE THAT WAY.
NATE: NO.
REBECCA: WE HAVE TO LIVE LONGING FOR THE
APPEARANCE OF JESUS,
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LIVE,
KNOWING IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING COMFORTABLE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS.
BUT WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO SURRENDER THAT TO HIM
BECAUSE IT'S SO EASY TO LIVE A COMFORTABLE,
QUIET, NON- WHAT'S IT CALLED?
NATE: NONCONFRONTATIONAL.
REBECCA: NONCONFRONTATIONAL LIFE.
NATE: THAT IS EXACTLY -
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE IN AUSTRALIA LAST YEAR,
I WAS LIKE, CHRISTY, WE'RE ON THE GOLD COAST,
IT'S LIKE BEACH CULTURE.
WE'VE JUST BEEN IN AMERICA THROUGH COVID
AND EVERYTHING
AND THEN WE'RE BACK IN LIKE THIS LAND WHERE
IT FEELS LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED.
AND WE WENT DOWN TO VICTORIA WHERE EVERYTHING
WAS LOCKED DOWN
AND NOTHING AFFECTED THEM.
SO EVERYTHING WAS LA-DI-DA,
EVERYONE WAS JUST OFF TO THE BEACH LIKE NORMAL.
THERE WAS NOTHING HAPPENING IN THE WORLD.
IT WAS SO EASY TO SLIP BACK AND JUST BE LIKE,
OH, YOU KNOW,
AND JUST GET VERY APATHETIC.
AND I'M LIKE, NO, WE NEED TO STAY SHARP.
WE NEED TO REMEMBER WE'RE STILL IN A WAR HERE.
AND THAT TOOK SOME DISCIPLINE.
BECAUSE IT'S SO SEDUCTIVE IN COMFORTABLE COUNTRIES,
ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN ENVIRONMENTS OR CITIES
WHERE THERE'S LESS CRIME OR WHATEVER
AND YOU CAN JUST SLIP BACK INTO THIS COMPLACENT LIFE.
GOD'S LIKE, NO, NO, STAY SHARP.
LOOK TO THE SPIRIT.
YOU'RE IN A WAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO
LIVE IN ANXIETY,
BUT AT LEAST IT MEANS WE STAY SHARP.
REBECCA: SO REALLY QUICK,
WHO ARE THE WILD ONES,
AND TAP ON THIS BOOK.
IT'S 400 PAGES SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IT
AND READ IT.
NATE: WHEN I WAS WRITING THE BOOK,
IT WAS WITH DESTINY IMAGE AND THEY'RE GREAT,
LOVE THEM,
I PITCHED THE IDEA OFTHE WILD ONES
AND, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T SEEM TO REALLY GEL
WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE,
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, SO I BEGAN WRITING
ABOUT REFORMATION.
AND IT WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS INTO THAT,
I'D ONLY WRITTEN LIKE 15,000 WORDS
AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS NOT EVEN A BOOK YET
AND I'M BORED.
I DIDN'T LIKE IT.
I WASN'T BEING TRUE TO MYSELF.
YET AGAIN, THE THINGS I HAVE TO DO,
IT HAS TO BE LIKE I HAVE TO GO OFF THE BEATEN PATH
TO DO IT, YOU KNOW.
I'M LIKE, COME ON, GOD, GIVE ME SOME SLACK.
LET ME JUST WRITE SOMETHING THAT'S EASY
OR I CAN DO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING.
NO.
AND I WENT TO CHRISTY AND I SAID,
WHAT DO I DO?
I WANT TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT.
I WANT TO GET RID OF THIS THING.
AND I HEAR THE LORD SAY,
YOU NEED TO DO WHAT I'VE TOLD YOU TO DO.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: YOU NEED TO WRITE THE MANUAL THAT YOU WISH YOU HAD.
I WENT, AHH.
AND SO, YES, THIS BOOK IS LIKE A BOOK
TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN,
IT'S LIKE WRITTEN FOR THE DAVIDS OUT THERE
IN THE WILDERNESS
TRYING TO NAVIGATE EVERYTHING,
THE BEARS AND THE GIANTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S LIKE WRITTEN FROM A FATHER'S HEART.
IT'S LIKE, YOU'RE NOT WEIRD,
YOU'RE NOT CRAZY.
YOU'RE NOT CRAZY BECAUSE I'VE PUT SOMETHING IN YOU
THAT'S DIFFERENT.
AND THEN SHOWING THEM THE END OF THE STORY
OF WHAT GOD'S LED THEM TO,
THE ARMY THAT THEY'VE BEEN CALLED TO BE A PART OF,
THE VOICE THEY'RE CALLED TO BE
LEADING THEM THROUGH HEALING,
LEADING THEM OUT OF THAT WILDERNESS OF WOUNDEDNESS
THAT A LOT OF PROPHETIC VOICES STAY STUCK IN,
BY THE WAY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GET STUCK IN THAT MESSY MIDDLE
AND NEVER ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE
THE OTHER SIDE OF BEING EFFECTIVE
FOR THE KINGDOM, YOU KNOW.
THEY GET CAUGHT UP IN THE WOODS THERE.
AND, REALLY, IT'S A BOOK THAT SPELLS OUT
THE CURRENT CLIMATE OF THE CHURCH
AND WHAT THEY'RE CALLED TO,
AS WELL AS THE MESSY PROCESS,
AND REALLY DETAILING THE SPECIFICS OF THE SYMPTOMS
OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH
AND GIVING THEM LANGUAGE FOR THEIR SEASON
THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIND IN THE CHURCH.
AND THEY'RE GONNA GO, OH, IT'S NOT JUST ME,
THERE'S SO MANY OTHERS LIKE ME
THAT WILL BE WALKING THIS ROAD,
THIS NARROW ROAD.
AND THIS IS MY FUTURE.
GOD HAS SOMETHING AMAZING PLANNED FOR ME
AND THAT'S WHY I WROTE THE BOOK.
THE WILD ONES ARE THOSE WHO ARE UNDEFILED BY RELIGION.
THEY'RE THOSE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO BE
BOUGHT OR SOLD FOR THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
THEY'RE GONNA DO ONLY WHAT GOD PUTS IN THEIR HEART TO DO.
IT'S THOSE WHO CARRY THE DRUMBEAT OF HEAVEN
AND THEY JUST LIVE TO SEE
JESUS FAMOUS IN THE EARTH, YOU KNOW.
AND SO WHETHER YOU'RE A WORSHIPER,
WHETHER YOU'RE AN APOSTOLIC VOICE,
WHATEVER IT IS, THE WILD ONES ARE THOSE
WHO SIMPLY ARE OBEDIENT
TO PIONEER THE UNBEATEN PATH OF JESUS
AND SAY YES, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OPPOSITION THEY FACE
FROM CULTURE, FROM THE STATUS QUO OF, YOU KNOW, CHURCH.
THE INSTITUTION SOMETIMES COMES -
YOU KNOW, YOU HIT UP AGAINST SO MANY AREAS
AS A WILD ONE
AND IT'S JUST BEING FAITHFUL TO DO IT AS A
WORSHIP UNTO THE LORD
AND FORGIVING PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY
AND STAYING TRUE TO YOUR PATH.
I MEAN, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE
HAVE TOLD ME EVERY STEP OF THE WAY,
THAT'S NOT GOD, THAT'S NOT GOD.
YOU SHOULD BE DOING THIS.
YOU STOPPED DOING THIS, YOU'RE IN PRIDE.
AND I'VE JUST GONE,
GOD, I'M DOING THIS AS A WORSHIP TO YOU.
AND I'VE HAD TO STAY THE PATH.
AND PEOPLE COME BACK AND SAY,
HEY, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT YOU WERE DOING.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT'S WHAT'S -
I'M LIKE, THAT'S ALL GOOD,
BUT I'VE HAD TO STAY THE PATH.
I WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE A BOOK THAT WOULD SAY,
STAY THE PATH.
BE WHO GOD'S CALLED YOU TO BE
AND THE FRUIT WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF.
REBECCA: SO DON'T GROW WEARY.
NATE: EXACTLY.
HEBREWS 12:1, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'RE SURROUNDED BY
A GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES,
WE'VE JUST GOT TO PUSH FORWARD.
WE'VE GOT TO KEEP GOING.
JESUS IS OUR PIONEER.
HE'S GONE BEFORE US.
WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING HIM.
THAT'S ALL THAT THIS IS ABOUT.
AND THE WILD ONES ARE THOSE WHO GO,
OKAY, I'M GONNA DO THAT.
IF THAT'S ALL I DO,
IF THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I DO WELL,
I'M JUST GONNA FOLLOW JESUS
AND IT TAKES US ON A BIT OF -
YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT JESUS DID.
HE OFFENDED EVERY SINGLE RULE, REGIMEN AND,
YOU KNOW, TRADITION
TO DO WHAT HE WAS CALLED TO DO.
AND I THINK THE WILD ONES ARE THOSE
WHO ARE UNAFRAID TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT DOES COME WITH A LOT OF FEAR OF MAN.
WE NAVIGATE THAT, BUT IT'S JUST STAYING TRUE TO IT.
AND I THINK WE NEED THAT IN THE CHURCH RIGHT NOW.
AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA RESHAPE THE CHURCH.
BUT WE NEED TO ALSO WORK WITH THE CHURCH.
IT'S THIS BRIDGE -
YEAH, IT'S A STRANGE DYNAMIC,
BUT IF WE JUST SAY YES TO THAT
AND BEGIN, GOD WILL WORK OUT THE REST
LIKE HE'S DONE FOR ME.
HE HAS DONE IT.
AND I'M SO BLESSED TODAY
THAT THE VERY INSTITUTION THAT SAID I WAS THE OUTCAST,
I WORK WITH THEM NOW.
I PRAY, I GIVE THEM PROPHETIC STRATEGIES.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
REFORMATION IS NOT JUST ABOUT TEARING DOWN,
IT'S ABOUT BUILDING.
REBECCA: OH, YEAH.
NATE: IT'S BOTH.
AND SO THE WILD ONES ARE CALLED TO BOTH.
THEY'RE CALLED TO BOTH.
REBECCA: THAT MAKES ME THINK OF THAT VERSE
THAT SAYS IN THE LAST DAYS I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT
AND YOUNG MEN WILL PROPHESY.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND DREAM DREAMS.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPHETIC
AND THEY DON'T KNOW IT
AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO STEWARD IT.
AND THIS IS A GUIDE TO HELP THEM WITH THAT.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: AND I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU'RE CALLED TO DO
BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU'RE PROPHETIC AND YOU'RE YOUNG
YOU FEEL THINGS VERY DEEPLY
AND GOD SHOWS YOU THINGS.
AND KIND OF LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
THE HAMMER AND THE OIL,
YOU WANT TO BREAK THINGS DOWN THAT'S WRONG
AND YET YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S HEALING.
BECAUSE OIL IS HEALING.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: AND I THINK ABOUT HOW THERE HAS TO BE
A SUBMISSION TO GOD AND THERE'S A TIMING.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT WORD
BUT YOU SAID IT THE WRONG TIME OR IN THE WRONG WAY,
IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE, IT'S HURTFUL.
NATE: I DID THAT.
REBECCA: THERE'S SO MANY LESSONS.
NATE: I DID IT FOR YEARS.
REBECCA: YES.
AND I THINK THIS IS SUCH AN INCREDIBLE BOOK ACTUALLY,
BECAUSE I THINK A LOT MORE PEOPLE,
THEY DON'T EVEN REALIZE THAT THEY'RE PROPHETIC.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE -
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY,
HOW DOES SOMEONE KNOW THEY'RE PROPHETIC?
BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE
WHO ARE LISTENING TO THIS NOW
THAT THEY ARE PROPHETIC,
LIKE I FEEL IT.
NATE: THERE'S A LOT.
I FEEL LIKE EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING
TO YOUR PODCAST, REBECCA,
LIKE THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE HUNGRY FOR THE PROPHETIC,
MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE.
AND I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR LANGUAGE AS WELL.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOD'S GONNA REALLY USE YOU
TO GIVE THEM THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS AND YOU'RE LIKE,
WELL, HOW DO I KNOW THAT I'M PROPHETIC?
NUMBER ONE, WHETHER YOU THINK YOU'RE A PROPHET OR NOT,
DON'T GET ALL WEIRD ABOUT THAT.
THE WHOLE CHURCH -
YOU KNOW, 1 CORINTHIANS SAYS WE'RE ALL PROPHETIC.
WE CAN ALL PROPHESY.
SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE PROPHETIC?
IT'S LIKE DO YOU DREAM?
DOES GOD GIVE YOU VISIONS?
WHETHER YOU THINK YOU'RE HAVING JUST PIZZA DREAMS
OR THEY'RE WEIRD DREAMS,
ARE YOU GETTING THOSE THINGS?
DO YOU GET LIKE IMPRESSIONS
THAT GOD GIVES YOU LIKE -
REBECCA: LIKE A KNOWING.
NATE: THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE WAY GOD SPEAKS TO ME,
IS KNOWING.
SOMETIMES NOT EVEN A DOWNLOAD, IT'S JUST THERE.
IT'S JUST SITTING THERE.
YOU'RE IN A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY
AND SUDDENLY YOU'RE READING THEIR MAIL
WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING IT.
THEY'RE LIKE HOW DID YOU KNOW?
WE'RE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
HOW DID YOU KNOW?
CAN I TELL YOU A CRAZY STORY REAL QUICK?
REBECCA: YES.
NATE: OKAY.
THIS HAPPENED A WEEK AGO
AND THIS STUFF HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS, NOT SAYING IF YOU'RE PROPHETIC
THIS HAPPENS TO YOU,
BUT THESE ARE THE KINDS OF SITUATIONS,
OKAY, I'LL SAY THIS.
YOU'RE PROPHETIC IF YOU WALK INTO WEIRD SITUATIONS
ALL THE TIME WITHOUT EVEN SAYING
YES, GOD, I'LL DO THAT.
I HAD ORDERED SOMETHING LATE AT NIGHT FROM UBER,
I THINK IT WAS MEDICINE FOR MY KIDS
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND BEFORE SOMEONE CAME TO THE DOOR,
I NORMALLY JUST LET THEM LEAVE IT THERE,
GOD SAID TO ME, THIS PERSON NEEDS PRAYER.
I'M LIKE, OH, COOL, OKAY.
SO I GO OUT AND I'M WAITING FOR THEM
WITH A LIGHT ON, BECAUSE IT'S 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE A WEIRDO.
AND THIS LADY COMES UP AND SHE'S LIKE,
IS YOUR NAME -
IT SAYS NATE JOHNSTON.
I'M LIKE, YEAH.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S SO CRAZY.
MY COUSIN PASSED AWAY THREE WEEKS AGO
HIS NAME WAS NATHANIEL JOHNSTON.
I SAID, YEAH, THAT'S MY FULL NAME, TOO.
SHE WENT, GET OUT.
AND SHE STARTS CRYING.
SHE SAID, I'M SO SORRY, I'M SO SORRY.
HE PASSED AWAY AND, YOU KNOW,
I SPEAK TO MY ANCESTORS, SPIRITS,
WHO LED ME HERE TONIGHT.
I SAID, YEAH, GOD LED YOU HERE TONIGHT, OKAY,
BECAUSE YOU NEED PRAYER.
HE TOLD ME THAT BEFORE YOU GOT HERE.
SHE STARTS CRYING.
BECAUSE SHE'S OBVIOUSLY SPEAKING TO THE DEAD
AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I DIDN'T GET INTO THAT BUT I TOLD HER ACTUALLY NO.
GOD LED YOU HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE HE WANTED YOU
TO GET PRAYER.
AND IT WAS CRAZY.
EVEN THE NUMBER OF OUR HOUSE
AND IT WAS CRAZY.
HAPPENED TO BE HER BIRTHDAY.
I START SPEAKING INTO HER LIFE.
I SHARED HOW -
I SHARED ABOUT HER JOB.
I SHARED ABOUT THIS SITUATION SHE WAS FACING.
SHE IS JUST BREAKING DOWN CRYING.
I GO AND GIVE HER THIS BIG HUG.
THE LOVE OF THE FATHER HITS HER.
SHE IS LIKE A BOILING -
SHE STARTS SHAKING UNDER THE POWER OF GOD.
AND I SAID DO YOU WANT TO RECEIVE JESUS?
SHE DIDN'T, THAT'S OKAY.
SHE ADDED ME ON FACEBOOK, THAT'S ALL GOOD.
WENT ON HER MERRY WAY.
I'M GOING, I GOT TO LIKE SPEAK INTO HER LIFE
BUT I DIDN'T GET A WORD,
I JUST DROPPED AS YOU SPEAK, YOU KNOW.
AND I LOVE THOSE SITUATIONS
YOU FIND YOURSELF IN
WHETHER YOU'RE PROPHETIC OR NOT,
JUST A CHILD OF GOD
WHERE GOD PUTS YOU IN A SITUATION.
BUT I THINK PROPHETIC PEOPLE,
YOU FIND YOURSELF IN WEIRD SITUATIONS
WHERE YOU JUST GET TO SPEAK INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION.
YOU'RE JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION
WITH SOMEONE AT THE PARK,
AND SUDDENLY THEY'RE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY
I'M OPENING UP TO YOU,
I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW WHY.
I KNOW WHY YOU'RE OPENING UP TO ME.
I KNOW WHY YOU'RE TELLING ME YOUR LIFE STORY
TO A STRANGER.
IT'S LIKE, YEAH.
BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO SPEAK INTO YOUR LIFE
AND IT'S GONNA BLESS YOU.
AND IT MIGHT JUST BE SOME SMALL ENCOURAGEMENT.
I THINK CHRISTY TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY
HOW SHE WENT INTO A STORE
AND THERE WAS A GUY THERE
WHO WAS CLEARLY IDENTIFYING AS GAY OR SOMETHING,
AND, YOU KNOW, SHE READ HIS NAME
AND GOD SAID, THIS IS WHAT THE NAME MEANS.
START SAYING IT.
TEARS.
HOW DID YOU KNOW?
THAT'S WHAT GOD'S SPOKEN OVER YOUR LIFE
THROUGH YOUR NAME.
AND IT'S JUST THESE SMALL THINGS.
WHEN YOU'RE PROPHETIC, YOU'RE IN TUNE WITH THAT.
YOU'RE PICKING UP ON -
YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT JESUS DID
IN JOHN 4, WHEN HE MET THE WOMAN AT THE WELL.
HE JUST READ HER MAIL.
BUT IT CAME FROM A PLACE OF -
IT WAS JUST CONVERSATION
AND IT WAS GOD JUST DROPPING IT.
IT'S COMPASSION, IT'S LOVE FOR PEOPLE.
SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE PROPHETIC,
GOD SPEAKS TO YOU IN A MYRIAD OF WAYS,
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH IT,
YOU NEED TO STEWARD IT.
LIKE A DREAM, WRITE IT DOWN.
AT THE VERY MINIMAL, PRAY ABOUT IT.
PRAY ABOUT WHAT GOD'S GIVEN YOU.
YOU'RE GETTING A WORD FOR A FRIEND OF YOURS,
YOU KNOW, IT'S A WARNING WORD
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT,
PRAY FOR THEM.
AT THE VERY MINIMAL, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO
BROADCASTING EVERYTHING OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.
DO SOMETHING WITH IT BY PRAYING ABOUT IT.
BEGIN IGNITING AND ACTIVATING THE CALL OF GOD
ON YOUR LIFE
BY DOING SOMETHING WITH WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.
EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE FULL ASSURANCE
OR CONFIDENCE ON WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN,
START SOMEWHERE.
IT'S LIKE THE TALENTS, RIGHT.
YOU DON'T GO BURY IT, YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
SO, YEAH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE OUT THERE,
DO SOMETHING WITH WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.
YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE PROPHETIC,
JUST DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
IF IT GOES NOWHERE, THEN IT GOES NOWHERE.
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING
WITH WHAT GOD GIVES YOU.
REBECCA: THOSE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT,
THEY ARE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AT REACHING PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK ITS HIS EARNEST DESIRE,
THOSE GIFTS.
BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE HEARS A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE,
OR THESE DIFFERENT THINGS,
A PROPHETIC WORD,
FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS MADE ME FEEL LIKE
MAN, GOD KNOWS ME AND HE CARES ABOUT ME.
AND THAT CAN TOUCH YOUR HEART IN A WAY
THAT ALL THE NICEST WORDS FROM A PERSON,
IT JUST GOES SO MUCH FARTHER.
IT'S SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE.
AND I WANT PEOPLE TO EARNESTLY DESIRE THOSE GIFTS.
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT GOES INTO
THE KINGDOM OF DARKNESS
AND IT BREAKS PEOPLE OUT
AND BRINGS THEM INTO THE KINGDOM OF LIGHT.
AND EVEN WITH THAT LADY,
I LOVE THAT YOU ASKED HER TO RECEIVE JESUS.
BUT DON'T GET DISCOURAGED IF SOMEONE SAYS NO.
BECAUSE GOD IS STRATEGIC WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES
AND SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN READY IN THAT MOMENT,
BUT YOU SOWED A SEED.
NATE: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: AND SO THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.
AND YOUR OBEDIENCE IS WHAT MATTERS.
AND YOU HAVE TO STEWARD YOUR LIFE.
AND, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY I WAS THINKING ABOUT,
I THINK IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT
THAT WE DON'T COMPARE OURSELVES TO OTHER PEOPLE
IN THEIR LIVES
AND I THINK THAT'S EASY TO DO THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.
BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE CALLED TO DO
IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT YOU'RE CALLED TO DO.
AND IF YOU DISCREDIT YOURSELF AND SAY
WELL, THIS PERSON'S DOING THIS ALREADY
OR THIS PERSON'S DOING THIS,
I DON'T NEED TO DO IT,
I THINK SO MANY PEOPLE GET DISCOURAGED.
BUT GOD HAS GIVEN YOU YOUR OWN TALENTS
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: FOR YOU TO STEWARD.
AND I THINK IT'S VITAL THAT YOU PUT BLINDERS ON
AND YOU FOCUS ON HIM AND YOU STEWARD WHAT HE'S GIVEN YOU.
BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THAT PARABLE,
AND ONE PERSON HAD I THINK TEN,
ONE PERSON HAD FIVE,
ONE HAD ONE.
IT DIDN'T MATTER -
YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WITH FIVE DIDN'T LOOK AT
THE PERSON WITH TEN
AND SAY, OH, THEY HAVE MORE,
I SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING.
THEY STILL STEWARDED IT.
AND THEY WERE REWARDED FOR IT.
BUT THE PERSON WHO HAD ONE WENT AND HID IT.
THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS HIDE THE TALENTS.
IT'S TO NOT STEWARD WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN YOU.
AND JUST BE ENCOURAGED BY THAT WORD.
STEWARD WHAT GOD HAS GIVEN YOU.
LEAN INTO WHAT HE HAS FOR YOU.
AND YOU LEAN INTO WHAT HE HAS FOR YOU
BY PURSUING HIM FIRST.
I REMEMBER WHEN I STARTED GETTING WORDS ABOUT
WHAT GOD HAD CALLED ME TO BE.
I WAS NEWLY DEDICATED TO THE LORD
AND SO MUCH WAS HAPPENING IN THE SPIRIT.
MY MIND DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE GRID TO UNDERSTAND.
IT'S LIKE MY MIND UNDERSTOOD YEARS LATER
AS I STUDIED THE WORD
WHAT GOD WAS DOING RIGHT NOW.
NATE: WOW, I LOVE THAT.
REBECCA: BUT I REMEMBER BEING SO AFRAID BY THE CALLING
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT IN YOUR NATURAL FLESH.
NATE: NO.
REBECCA: YOU CAN'T DO IT OUT OF YOUR OWN STRENGTH,
YOUR OWN WILL, ANYTHING.
BUT I REMEMBER GOD TELLING ME,
HE SAID EVERYTHING FOR LIFE AND MINISTRY
WILL FLOW FROM YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH ME.
SO FOCUS ON THAT.
AND SO PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING TO THIS,
THEY'RE STIRRED, THEY'RE EXCITED,
IT'S LIKE SET THE FOUNDATION OF RELATIONSHIP
WITH HIM.
OF KNOWLEDGE OF HIS WORD.
BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO GET INTO THE SPIRIT,
IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORD,
THEY'RE GOING TO GET WAY OFF.
THEY CAN GET DECEIVED.
NATE: YES.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ONLY
FOCUS ON THE WORD,
AND THEY DON'T INVITE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN, THEY'RE DRY.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SPECTRUMS.
BUT THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS IN HERE
WHERE YOU GUIDE THE PERSON THROUGH
BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT STRUGGLES
THAT PROPHETIC PEOPLE FACE.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS IS,
IT HELPS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
SO INSTEAD OF BEING DISCOURAGED
BY THE WARFARE AND THE PERSECUTION AND THE TRIALS,
THEY CAN GO, OH, THIS IS PART OF WHAT HAPPENS.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
NATE: YEAH.
I MEAN, I CALL IT RIGHT OF PASSAGE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REBECCA: BECAUSE IT PREPARES YOU.
NATE: IT DOES.
REBECCA: IF YOU DON'T GIVE UP.
NATE: THINK ABOUT ANY WELL-KNOWN PROPHET
OUT THERE, RIGHT,
LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT PROPHETS FOR EXAMPLE.
ALL OF THEM HAVE A STORY
OF BEING IN ENVIRONMENTS OF JEZEBELIC,
LIKE NARCISSISM.
THAT IS THE RITE OF PASSAGE.
AND YOUR CALLING HAS ITS OWN RITE OF PASSAGE.
IT'S LIKE THESE ARE THE THINGS
THAT GOD DOESN'T ORCHESTRATE,
BUT THE ENEMY THROWS AT YOU
BECAUSE HE KNOWS THEY'RE THE THINGS,
LIKE YOUR KRYPTONITE,
THEY'RE THE THINGS THAT HE HOPES
IS GOING TO STOP YOU FROM STEPPING INTO YOUR CALLING.
AND, YOU KNOW, LUCKY FOR JESUS,
LIKE HE KNEW WHO HE WAS,
BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPARTED TO HIM
AT THAT BAPTISM.
BECAUSE THEN HE WAS ABOUT TO WALK INTO THE WILDERNESS
FOR 40 DAYS.
REBECCA: WHERE HE WOULD BE TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL.
NATE: TEMPTED BY THE DEVIL.
REBECCA: AFTER NOT EATING FOR 40 DAYS.
IT'S A CRAZY STORY.
AND I MEAN, THAT TEMPTATION WAS EXTREMELY DECEPTIVE
BECAUSE THE DEVIL USED THE WORD OF GOD AGAINST JESUS.
IF JESUS DIDN'T KNOW THE WORD HIMSELF,
HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STAND IT.
WHICH JUST SHOWS HOW IMPORTANT UNDERSTANDING
GOD'S WORD IS.
ANYWAYS, KEEP GOING.
NATE: BUT, YEAH, LIKE HE WAS PREPARED
FOR 30 YEARS, RIGHT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT AMAZING MOMENT
WHERE HE WAS BAPTIZED AS WELL.
THE LOVE OF THE FATHER,
THE IDENTITY OF FATHER WAS PUT OVER HIM.
BUT WE GO THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT THINGS
AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT
OUT THE OTHER SIDE.
YEAH, I JUST NEED TO TELL PEOPLE,
HEY, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT THROUGH.
THIS IS ALL JUST A PART OF YOUR PROCESS
AND IT'S GONNA MAKE YOU,
LIKE YOU'RE GONNA NAVIGATE THINGS -
LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, I REMEMBER YEARS AFTER
KIND OF COMING OUT OF MY WILDERNESS SEASON
AND WE'RE IN THIS CHURCH.
AND THIS ONE SUNDAY OUR PASTOR SAYS,
HEY, NATE AND CHRISTY, WILL YOU GET UP
AND MINISTER AT THE END
AND JUST LIKE PROPHESY OVER PEOPLE?
AND I THINK SHE WAS WANTING US
TO GIVE PEOPLE LIKE NICE WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT.
BUT SHE HANDS US THE MIC,
I COULD FEEL IT IN THE ROOM,
PEOPLE WERE IN BONDAGE.
I LOOK AT CHRISTY, SHE LOOKS AT ME,
AND WE JUST READ EACH OTHER.
SHE'S LIKE, DO WE GO THERE?
I'M LIKE, ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER.
AND WE STARTED RELEASING CORPORATELY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT WHO ARE BOUND.
GOD'S SETTING YOU FREE.
WE STARTED LISTING OFF WHAT WE WERE
SENSING IN THE ROOM.
NO JOKE, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
THIS ONE LADY, I SAW HER
AND SHE WAS PROBABLY LIKE
FOUR OR FIVE ROWS AWAY FROM WHERE I WAS.
I WAS STANDING AT THE FRONT.
AND SHE STARTS SHAKING.
AND I SAW THIS SPIRT,
THIS TORMENT.
LIKE YOU COULD SEE IT IN THE SPIRIT,
LIKE FOR A MOMENT, IT WAS WRAPPED AROUND HER.
AND I JUST SAID, YOU, GET OFF IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
SHE FELL BACK OVER HER CHAIR,
GETS COMPLETELY DELIVERED.
THAT SET OFF THIS CHAIN EVENT
WHERE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM,
PEOPLE STARTED GETTING DELIVERED
WITHOUT EVEN PRAYING.
IT WAS LIKE THIS MASS THING.
CHRISTY STARTS GOING OFF TO SOME SPECIFIC STUFF.
AND I THINK ABOUT THAT NOW
AND I WOULDN'T HAVE SENSED THAT
UNLESS I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT
AND I'D BEEN OPPRESSED BY THAT MYSELF.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: LIKE SOME OF THE WILDERNESSES WE GO THROUGH
ARE TRAINING.
REBECCA: YEAH, THEY'RE REFINING.
NATE: REFINING.
YOU KNOW, THE PURIFICATION, IT'S A GIFT.
IT IS A GIFT.
YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE THEN WHEN YOU GET OUT THERE AND YOU'RE SURROUNDED,
SUDDENLY EVERYONE'S CALLING YOUR NAME,
EVERYONE WANTS YOU TO DO THIS AND THAT,
YOU'RE NOT WOWED BY IT.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
NATE: I'M NOT WOWED BY IT.
IT'S LIKE NO, BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS,
THAT'S NOT MY PRIZE.
BUT IF YOU DON'T GO THROUGH
SOME OF THESE WILDERNESS SEASONS
AND THE REFINING,
YOU'RE GONNA BE SOLD REAL QUICK.
AND GOD KNOWS THAT.
REBECCA: HE HAS TO BREAK THAT OFF OF YOU.
NATE: YEAH.
REBECCA: HE HAS TO PURIFY YOU.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR IDENTITY,
YOU'RE GONNA FIND IT IN THE MINISTRY YOU HAVE.
NATE: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S JUST WHERE
IT'S SO EASY FOR YOU,
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CHARACTER AND THE REFINEMENT
AND THE PREPARATION AND THE FORTIFICATION WITHIN YOU,
YOU WON'T WITHSTAND.
YOU'LL FALL UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THE CALLING.
NATE: YEP.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S NOT,
GOD DOESN'T WANT THAT FOR YOU.
GOD LOVES YOU.
HE WANTS YOU TO ENDURE UNTIL THE END.
HE DOESN'T WANT TO JUST RAISE SOMEONE UP
FOR THEM TO FAIL.
THAT'S NOT GOD'S HEART AT ALL.
AND SO YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PURIFICATION,
THAT FORTIFICATION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED WAS
DON'T DESPISE THE SEASONS OF PRUNING,
OF TESTING AND TRIAL.
AND I THINK ABOUT THAT VERSE IN JAMES,
IT SAYS COUNT IT JOY, BRETHREN,
WHEN YOU GO THROUGH TRIALS.
IT SAYS COUNT IT JOY.
BUT IT'S SAYING HAVE A HEAVENLY PERSPECTIVE.
BE JOYOUS OVER THIS
BECAUSE THIS IS DOING SOMETHING IN YOU
TO HELP YOU FOR LONGEVITY.
BECAUSE GOD WANTS US TO BE FAITHFUL TO THE END.
AND HE WANTS TO EQUIP US.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO HIM IN THAT.
WE CAN'T RESIST, WE CAN'T DESPISE AND WE CAN'T QUIT.
NATE: NO.
REBECCA: AND THOSE ARE THE TEMPTATIONS WE FEEL.
AND I THINK IF PEOPLE READ THIS BOOK
AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON
AND BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IT,
I THINK THEY CAN BE ENCOURAGED,
OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON.
I CAN KEEP GOING.
BECAUSE FOR ME, I FEEL LIKE I'VE LEARNED,
I'VE LEARNED, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS,
LIKE AFTER THE FACT.
NATE: I KNOW, SO HELPFUL, RIGHT?
REBECCA: SO IT'S NICE FOR SOMEONE TO COME ALONG
AND BE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THIS IS.
BUT, THANKFULLY, GOD ALWAYS REVEALS IT
AND HE'LL LEAD YOU EITHER WAY.
SO YOU MENTIONED JEZEBELIC,
PEOPLE I THINK -
THE TERM JEZEBEL GETS THROWN AROUND A LOT.
NATE: SO MUCH.
REBECCA: BUT WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN?
NATE: THERE'S SO MANY YEARS I FEEL LIKE THE CHURCH
HAS JUST CALLED EVERYTHING A JEZEBEL.
REBECCA: YEAH.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S CONFUSION THERE.
NATE: WE KNOW WHO JEZEBEL WAS IN THE BIBLE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: I WOULD JUST SAY ON A GLOBAL LEVEL,
I WOULD SAY JEZEBEL IS DEFINITELY ACTIVE
IN MEDIA RIGHT NOW.
JEZEBEL IS NOT A CONTROLLING SPIRIT
LIKE PEOPLE SAY.
YES, SHE USES SPIRIT OF CONTROL,
SHE USES THE SPIRIT OF RELIGION, WITCHCRAFT,
JEZEBEL IS A SEDUCING SPIRIT.
REBECCA: YEAH, SHE'S SEDUCTION.
NATE: SO IT'S NOT REALLY CONTROL.
REBECCA: CONTROL IS WITCHCRAFT.
NATE: THAT'S RIGHT.
AND SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY, JEZEBEL, AGAIN,
I'M IN A CHURCH OF JEZEBEL.
NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M SORRY, JEZEBEL IS A SEDUCING SPIRIT.
REBECCA: TO LEAD YOU ASTRAY.
NATE: EXACTLY.
SO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS
THAT WOULD LEAD YOU OFF THE PATH.
I ACTUALLY HAD A -
I WON'T TALK ABOUT IT NOW,
BUT I HAD A DREAM ABOUT JEZEBEL YEARS AGO.
I WANTED TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT PRINCIPALITY
AND GOD GAVE ME A DREAM.
AND REALLY, I SAW WHAT I FEEL LIKE
WAS IN THE SECOND HEAVENS
AND IT WAS A LAYER.
IT WAS LIKE AN UNDERGROUND LAYER
OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT ROOMS
THAT PEOPLE WERE IN BONDAGE.
AND IT WAS THROUGH SEDUCTION.
AND IT WAS ALL THESE DIFFERENT PERVERSIONS
I SAW IN THIS DREAM.
AND SO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT CULTURE
IS BAITING PEOPLE INTO TODAY.
IT'S SEDUCTION.
IT'S THIS, LOOK THIS WAY, LOOK THAT WAY,
GET THEIR EYES OFF JESUS.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW,
IN THE STORY OF JEZEBEL AND ELIJAH,
HE WAS LIKE, I NEED TO GET THE PROPHETS
OUT OF THE CAVE AGAIN.
SO REALLY, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT JEZEBEL IN THAT LIGHT,
SHE WANTS TO SILENCE THE CHURCH
FROM SIMPLY BEING A VOICE FOR TRUTH AND HOLINESS.
THOSE PROPHETS WERE HIDDEN IN A CAVE
IN THAT TIME OF JEZEBEL'S REIGN
BECAUSE IT WAS WHEN SHE WAS SPREADING -
SHE USED TO SACRIFICE BABIES,
ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS SHE DID.
REBECCA: YEAH, BECAUSE JEZEBEL WAS MARRIED TO AHAB.
HE'S THE KING OF ISRAEL.
SHE WORSHIPED BAAL.
AND THEN SHE STRUCK DOWN THE PROPHETS OF GOD,
THE PRIESTS, AND RAISED UP BAAL.
AND THEY WOULD -
THAT IS WHO THEY WOULD SACRIFICE BABIES TO.
AND SHE RESISTED AND SHE HATED ELIJAH
WHO WAS THE PROPHET.
AND ALL THE PROPHETS.
AND THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE,
WHEN THERE'S OTHER -
LIKE A THING OF JEZEBEL IS SHE RESISTS AND SHE HATES
AND SHE TRIES TO SILENCE THE PROPHETS
BECAUSE PROPHETS ARE TRUTH.
AND SHE WANTS TO DECEIVE AND SEDUCE.
NATE: YEP.
AND SHE WANTS TO DECEIVE AND SEDUCE.
AND HER NAME ACTUALLY MEANS UNHUSBANDED.
REBECCA: SHE WON'T SUBMIT.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
NATE: YEAH, BECAUSE SHE'S NOT.
YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR RELATIONSHIP IS WITH JESUS,
HE'S OUR BRIDEGROOM, RIGHT.
REBECCA: YEAH.
NATE: SO HE'S OUR HUSBAND,
IN THAT SPIRITUAL SENSE.
SHE'S UNHUSBANDED.
SO ANYTHING THAT JEZEBEL IS A PART OF
IS NOT IN SUBMISSION TO JESUS.
AND SO JEZEBEL COMES AFTER PROPHETS,
ESPECIALLY IN THEIR WILDERNESS SEASONS
TO SILENCE THEM FROM BEING PROPHETS
THAT WOULD SPEAK HOLINESS AND TRUTH.
AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE TWO ALTARS,
YOU KNOW, THE MOUNT CARMEL SHOWDOWN.
REBECCA: YEAH.
BEST STORY EVER.
NATE: BEST STORY EVER.
LIKE, COME ON, JESUS, DO IT AGAIN.
REBECCA: SO COOL.
NATE: SO COOL.
YOU'VE GOT AN ALTAR THAT WAS COMPLETELY COLD, EMPTY,
NOTHING HAPPENED IN AN ALTAR THAT THE FIRE OF GOD
CAME ON, RIGHT?
AND THE PROPHETS THAT GOD WANTS TO RAISE UP TODAY,
ARE THOSE WHO ARE ON FIRE FOR HIM.
THE ALTARS ARE LIT, YOU KNOW,
THAT SPEAKS ABOUT IN LEVITICUS.
WHERE GOD SAYS, LET THE FIRE IN THE TEMPLE
BE LIT AND LET IT NOT GO OUT, NIGHT AND DAY.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WE AS PROPHETS AND AS PROPHETIC PEOPLE
AND A PROPHETIC GENERATION,
HAVE TO BE, NUMBER ONE,
IN SUBMISSION TO JESUS, HUSBANDED.
AND ALSO WE NEED TO BE THOSE THAT HAVE
FIRE ON THE ALTAR.
WE'RE ON FIRE FOR GOD.
INTIMACY WITH HIM.
SO PROPHETS WHO GO THROUGH JEZEBELIC ATTACKS,
ARE SIMPLY THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO BE,
THE ENEMY WANTS TO SHUT DOWN
BECAUSE OF THE VOICE THEY CARRY
THAT IS A VOICE OF HOLINESS AND PURITY.
SIMPLY PUT.
REBECCA: THROUGH INTIMIDATION.
NATE: INTIMIDATION, CONTROL.
REBECCA: FEAR.
NATE: FEAR, WITCHCRAFT.
ALL THAT STUFF.
BULLYING.
REBECCA: AND YOU SEE THAT IN ELIJAH,
WHO WAS THIS MIGHTY PROPHET,
BUT HE RAN AWAY AND WAS LIKE,
I WANNA DIE.
EVERYONE WANTS TO HATE ON ELIJAH FOR THAT,
BUT I LOVE THAT THE BIBLE,
IT JUST TELLS THE TRUTH
AND IT SHOWS THE FRAGILITY OF US,
AND HOW GOD IS OUR STRENGTH
AND GOD STRENGTHENS
AND HE ENCOURAGES HIM.
AND BECAUSE OF THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD TO ISRAEL,
AND BECAUSE OF ELIJAH'S OBEDIENCE
AND STEADFASTNESS,
JEZEBEL WAS THROWN DOWN.
SO THERE IS A WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT THERE
THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE INTIMIDATED.
STAY FAITHFUL AND GOD WILL HANDLE IT.
NATE: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: AND THE THING IS
IS THAT YOU'VE SAID THAT VERSE
WE DON'T ATTACK PEOPLE,
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN SOMEONE IS DEMONIZED
OR UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A DEMON,
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THAT PERSON IS DOING IS WRONG,
BUT WE UNDERSTAND OUR BATTLE
ISN'T AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD.
SO WE DON'T ATTACK THE PERSON,
IT'S AGAINST DARKNESS.
WE'RE NOT SAYING GO OUT
AND TRY TO GET ON A PRINCIPALITY.
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO.
BUT IT'S UNDERSTANDING THAT WE,
IT'S SPIRITUAL WARFARE.
IT'S NOT HUMAN WARFARE THAT WE ENGAGE IN.
WE PRAY FOR PEOPLE,
WE LOOK TO GOD,
WE DO WHAT HE TELLS US TO DO
AND WE SUBMIT TO HIM.
SOME OF THE GREATEST SPIRITUAL WARFARE
IS JUST SUBMISSION TO THE LORD.
NATE: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: BUT I THINK IF PEOPLE CAN IDENTIFY
WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH SPIRITUALLY,
HOW IT'S AN ATTACK
AND THAT I THINK ONE OF THE DEVIL'S,
MOST FAVORITE WAYS OF ATTACKING PEOPLE
IS THROUGH USING OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE DEMONIZED,
YOU CAN RECOGNIZE WHAT IT IS,
NOT GET OFFENDED AT THE PERSON,
AND NOT GROW WEARY,
NOT GIVE UP, NOT RUN AWAY.
BUT UNLESS GOD TELLS YOU TO LEAVE,
OBVIOUSLY, THEN LEAVE.
BUT IF GOD'S TELLING YOU TO STAY,
YOU REMAIN STEADFAST AND YOU KNOW GOD WILL DELIVER.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: GOD WILL SUSTAIN ME.
HE IS MY PORTION.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I LOVE.
DO YOU TALK ABOUT THAT IN THIS BOOK?
NATE: I DO.
REBECCA: SO SEE, THIS IS THE BOOK.
THE WILD ONES.
AND THIS IS, I LIKE IT, A PROPHETIC SURVIVAL GUIDE.
AND WHAT I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE WERE TALKING IS,
THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPHETIC,
THEY HAVE DREAMS, THEY HAVE VISIONS
AND A VISION IS SOMETIMES JUST PICTURES
AND IT CAN BE REALLY FAINT,
THAT'S WHY WE STEWARD THE GIFT.
YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SEE SOMETHING,
IF GOD SHOWS YOU SOMETHING,
GO INTO HIS WORD,
WHAT DOES THIS REPRESENT IN YOUR WORD?
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT GOD IS SPEAKING TO US,
IT'S AN INVITATION INTO SOMETHING DEEPER.
AND THROUGH RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM,
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING
VISIONS, DREAMS, WORDS,
KNOWINGS, A FEELING, NOT EMOTIONAL,
BUT A FEELING LIKE, I DON'T KNOW,
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU EXPLAIN THAT,
BUT IT'S LIKE, SOMETIMES THE SPIRIT ALLOWS YOU
TO FEEL WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE FEELING.
NATE: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: SO THAT YOU CAN PRAY FOR THEM.
SO IF SOMETHING IS GOING ON AND YOU'RE LIKE,
THIS IS WEIRD AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT,
THIS BOOK HELPS, YOU KNOW, TOUCHES ON THAT.
IT HELPS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE HOW TO KEEP GOING.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: NOT TO GROW WEARY.
FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET THE BOOK,
HOW DO THEY GET IT.
WHAT'S YOUR WEBSITE?
GIVE US THE INFO.
NATE: JUST NATEANDCHRISTY.CO.
YOU CAN FIND THE BOOK ON THERE.
REBECCA: ALL RIGHT, WELL, NATE,
WE TALKED FOR SO LONG
BECAUSE IT WAS SO GOOD.
NATE: THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
REBECCA: NO, THANK YOU.
I WAS GONNA SAY THANKS FOR COMING.
COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE CHRISTY ON,
IT'S GONNA BE GREAT.
NATE: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE
AND FOR TAKING TIME TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.
NATE: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
REBECCA: AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU HERE AGAIN.