REBECCA LAMB WEISS: HEY, GUYS.
WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
SEASON 2 OF THE REBECCA WEISS PODCAST.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TODAY.
THIS GUEST IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES.
AND I WANT TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND FOR THOSE OF YOU
WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM.
HE'S SUPER FUNNY AND DOWN TO EARTH,
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT HIM IS
HE'S LIVED AN AMAZING LIFE FOR THE LORD,
AND WHEN I GET AROUND HIM AND I HEAR HIS STORIES,
I GET INSPIRED.
AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO HEAR THESE STORIES, TOO,
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO STIR UP YOUR FAITH,
IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU MORE HUNGRY FOR THE LORD.
AND THE OTHER THING I LOVE IS THE WAY I DESCRIBE THIS GUEST
TO PEOPLE IS I SAY, IT'S JUST SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND IT'S JUST LIKE, I SAY, HE HAS ONE FOOT ON EARTH
AND ONE FOOT IN HEAVEN.
IT'S JUST A COOL THING TO SEE.
AND SO WELCOME TO THE SHOW,
EVANGELIST AND MINISTER JESSE DUPLANTIS.
JESSE DUPLANTIS: WELL, THANK YOU.
IT'S AN HOUR TO BE HERE.
AND HELLO, EVERYBODY.
[ LAUGHING ]
REBECCA: SO, PASTOR JESSE...
JESSE: JUST CALL ME JESSE.
REBECCA: JUST CALL YOU JESSE?
JESSE: THAT'S WHAT JESUS CALLED ME.
I'VE NEVER CALLED HIM REVEREND CHRIST.
[ LAUGHING ]
JESSE: HE CALLS ME JESUS -- I CALL HIM JEEZY,
HE CALLS ME JESSE, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
REBECCA: SEE, THIS IS WHAT I LOVE,
IS THE DOWN TO EARTH.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, GIVE SOME BACKGROUND.
I CAN HEAR A LITTLE BIT OF THAT NEW ORLEANS IN YOU.
JESSE: YES.
REBECCA: BUT GIVE US YOUR STORY.
JESSE: WELL, I WAS NOT A CHURCH PERSON.
I WAS NOT RELIGIOUS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
CHRISTENED AND CONFIRMED A CATHOLIC BOY.
I'M FROM THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA.
I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME.
IF YOU'RE FROM NEW ORLEANS,
YOU'VE GOT TO BE CATHOLIC AT LEAST ONCE IN YOUR LIFE
BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE COUNTIES.
WE HAVE PARISHES.
IT'S THE ONLY STATE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAS PARISHES.
AND I WENT TO CHURCH BUT I NEVER GOT ANYTHING OUT OF IT.
I REMEMBER BEFORE I GOT SAVED,
KATHY WOULD TELL MY WIFE, WOULD SAY,
WHY DON'T YOU COME TO CHURCH?
I SAID, I'VE BEEN THERE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
WHAT I NEEDED WAS TO SEE IF I COULD COME TO JESUS,
THEN WHEN I CAME TO CHURCH,
I WOULD UNDERSTAND IT.
SO I WAS NOT RAISED WHAT I CALL RELIGIOUSLY IN ANY WAY,
SHAPE, OR FORM.
AND I ONLY KNOW TWO PRAYERS THEN.
THAT WAS THE HAIL MARY PRAYER AND THE OUR FATHER PRAYER,
WHICH IS WHAT YOU USE FOR PENANCE AND CONFESSION
WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE.
ANYWAY, AND I BECAME A ROCK MUSICIAN.
I PLAYED ON THE STREETS AS A KID.
YOU HAD STREET MUSICIANS, AND I PLAYED IN STRIP JOINTS.
NOW, THIS IS 10, 11 YEARS OLD BECAUSE YOU PAY PEOPLE MONEY,
THE COPS LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
AND I WAS RAISED ON THE STREETS OF NEW ORLEANS.
MOM AND THEM HAD A PLACE ON CANAL STREET,
SO I WOULD SNEAK OUT OF THE HOUSE AND I WOULD GO DOWN THERE
AND PLAY.
AND, MAN, I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN THEY THREW ME A $20 BILL.
NOW, REBECCA, IN 1959, TWENTY BUCKS WAS A LOT OF MONEY.
AND I THOUGHT, I'M GOING TO DO THIS FOR A LIVING.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT COMES WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF IS
ALL THE DRUGS, ALL THE SIN, ALL THE BOOZE,
EVERY IMMORAL THING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF.
BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW JESUS.
BUT I'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF JESUS AS A PERSON.
I THOUGHT OF GOD AS AN INSTITUTION.
THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THEN I REALIZED SOMETHING ABOUT JESUS,
AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO HEAR THIS STATEMENT,
HE'S NOT RELIGIOUS.
YOU SEE, HE'S A PERSON.
AND YOU CAN MEET HIM TODAY AND TO UNDERSTAND WHO HE REALLY IS.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING CHURCHY.
THIS IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIP.
I WENT FROM RELIGION TO RELATIONSHIP TO FELLOWSHIP.
I WANT THIS: HELLO, JESUS.
HI, JESSE.
I LIKE THAT.
I LIKE CALLING YOU REBECCA.
I COULD CALL YOU SISTER REBECCA.
[ LAUGHING ]
JESSE: MOST HOLY REBECCA.
[ LAUGHING ]
JESSE: I'LL JUST CALL YOU REBECCA.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR NAME.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT'S MY BACKGROUND.
THEN I GOT BORN AGAIN IN 1974 IN BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS.
I WAS DOING A ROCK SHOW, AND MY WIFE COMES UP TO ME,
AND I WAS ABOUT READY TO GO DOWN TO DO THE SHOW,
AND KATHY SAYS, JESSE, BILLY GRAHAM'S ON TELEVISION.
I SAID, WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH ME?
NOW, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CHIEF OF SINNERS,
I WAS RAISED WITH THE LA COSA NOSTRA,
THAT'S THE MAFIA, ON THE STREETS OF NEW ORLEANS.
I MADE, OH, I CAN'T SAY STUFF ON THIS PODCAST
BECAUSE I WOULD GET IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING THINGS.
THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS HADN'T RUN OUT.
BUT WHEN I GOT BORN AGAIN, IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING
THINGS EVER HAPPENED TO ME IN MY LIFE.
BUT IT WASN'T RELIGIOUS.
SEE, RELIGION IS VERY IMPERSONAL.
CHRIST IS VERY PERSONAL.
WHEN I GOT BORN AGAIN, IT WAS PERSONAL,
IT WAS ME AND HIM.
AND HE CHANGED MY LIFE.
YOU SEE, NOW, YOU DON'T HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT LIKE THAT
EXCEPT PEOPLE MY AGE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN CHURCH?
NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, HELLO, JESUS.
HI, JESSE.
I CAN TALK TO YOU, REBECCA, ON THE PHONE, IT'S NICE.
BUT WHEN I TALK TO YOU IN PERSON, IT'S MUCH BETTER.
SEE, BECAUSE I CAN SEE YOU AND YOU CAN SEE ME.
SO I WOULD TELL EVERYBODY TODAY, THE YOUNGER PEOPLE,
IF YOU WANT TO BE A SUCCESS GOING SOMEWHERE TO SUCCEED,
IF YOU WANT WHAT YOU NEVER THOUGHT YOU COULD ACHIEVE,
IF YOU'LL PUT JESUS FIRST IN YOUR LIFE,
ALL THAT WILL COME.
LOCK, STOCK, AND BARREL.
AND MORE THAN YOU CAN THINK.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO GOOD.
SO HERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE A MUSICIAN, YOU GET SAVED.
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
JESSE: WELL, I WAS GOING TO STAY IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS,
I THOUGHT.
BUT, REBECCA, I'D NEVER SEEN SIN IN MY LIFE.
I NEVER THOUGHT OF SIN.
I JUST THOUGHT OF FUN, PARTY, PARTAY, JUST GO, YOU KNOW.
I TOOK TRIPS ON DRUGS, I TOOK TRIPS AND NEVER LEFT MY HOUSE.
DOO, JUST CRAZY.
BUT WHEN I GOT BORN AGAIN AND WHEN I SAW SIN,
I SAID, I CAN'T DO THIS NO MORE.
NOT THAT I DIDN'T LIKE THE PEOPLE.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
I WAS CHANGED.
I STILL LOVE MUSIC, I CAN PLAY 11 INSTRUMENTS.
I CAN DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IN FACT, I DID THAT ONE TIME
[ CHUCKLES ]
AT A GOSPEL CONVENTION.
SOME OF THEM WERE 13, 14, AND 17, THE AGE GROUP,
AND THEY SAID, PASTOR JESSE,
COULD YOU PLAY SOME ROCK?
I SAID, OKAY.
I'M GOING TO DO THIS ONE TIME.
AND I SAID, GIVE ME THAT GUITAR.
AND, MAN, I DID A WHOLE LOT OF LOVE, DUH, DUH,
DUH, DUH, DUH, DUH.
ZZ TOP, DUN-DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN-DUN DUN.
AND I MEAN, AND THEM KIDS ARE GOING, GOOD GOD,
LOOK AT THIS GUY.
I SAID, BUT I DID NOT KNOW THEY HAD ME HOOKED UP
INTO THE FOUNDER'S HOTEL ROOM.
AND WHEN I GOT TO THE CONVENTION THAT NIGHT, HE SAID, WHOO.
I SAID, OH, DID I DO SOMETHING WRONG?
HE SAID, NO, I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU COULD DO THAT.
BUT IT MADE THE TEENAGERS SAY, THIS MAN'S REAL.
AND LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT MUSIC.
IT'S ALL GOOD.
IT'S JUST THAT SATAN PERVERTS IT OR MAKES IT BAD.
THINKING ABOUT HAVING AN ACTING CAREER.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LOT OF FUN,
TO BE SOMEBODY THAT YOU COULD IMITATE.
BUT THEN PEOPLE PERVERT IT.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
BUT MY GOD, YOU CAN HAVE MORE FUN KNOWING JESUS CHRIST
THAN YOU'LL EVER KNOW IN ANYTHING ELSE YOU DO.
WELL, I'M TELLING YOU SOMETHING ABOUT JESUS,
BUT ALL THIS STUFF, HE'LL LEAVE -- NOW,
I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING THAT GOING TO MAKE SOMEBODY MAD --
HE'LL EVEN PROTECT YOU FROM THE CHURCH.
[ LAUGHING ]
BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.
GOD IS NOT AS HARD ON PEOPLE AS PEOPLE ARE ON PEOPLE.
REBECCA: THAT'S SO TRUE.
JESSE: AND SOME OF THE MEANEST PEOPLE I EVER MET IN MY LIFE
ARE CHURCH PEOPLE.
AND I WISH I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY THAT, BUT IT'S TRUE.
WHY?
WHY CAN'T WE GET ALONG?
PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU LOVE EVERYBODY.
YEAH.
I'VE EVEN BEEN CRITICIZED.
YOU'VE GOT TOO MUCH MERCY.
OH, YOU WANT ME TO GO OUT AND KILL SOMEBODY?
THAT WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO?
YOU DON'T SEE COLOR.
NO, I DON'T SEE NO COLOR, NATIONALITY, OR CREED.
I DON'T CARE.
YOU'RE A HUMAN BEING.
THAT'S ALL I'M SATISFIED WITH.
IT DON'T MAKE NO DIFFERENCE TO ME.
I DON'T THINK OF COLOR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
AND JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MONEY,
YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THIS KIND OF ATTITUDE.
LET ME BLESS YOU WITH MY PRESENCE.
WELL, YOU COULD HAVE STAYED HOME, FOOL.
[ LAUGHING ]
I SAID, I DON'T NEED YOUR PRESENCE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY?
I JUST WANT TO BE ME.
YOU KNOW THAT SONG, I'VE GOT TO BE ME.
I JUST WANT TO BE ME.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S WHAT GOD WANTS.
HE JUST WANTS YOU TO BE YOU.
I WISH THE CHURCH WOULD BE LIKE GOD IS.
BUT SAD TO SAY, THEY'RE NOT.
BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THERE.
I'M NOT ANTI-CHURCH.
YOU JUST KEEP PUSHING AND IT'LL HAPPEN AND IT'LL COME TO PASS.
REBECCA: WELL, IT'S AN ATTACK OF THE ENEMY,
AND WE'VE GOT TO STOP WASTING OUR TIME
BEING BACKSEAT DRIVERS AND JUST WASTING OUR TIME
CRITICIZING PEOPLE.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEONE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST PRAY
FOR THAT PERSON?
JESSE: THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
REBECCA: YOU'LL DO A LOT MORE HELP THERE
THAN SPEAKING DEATH OVER SOMEONE.
JESSE: YOU KNOW WHAT MY MOTHER TOLD ME,
SHE'S IN HEAVEN, I USED TO SAY, AW,
THAT CHURCH IS FULL OF HYPOCRITES.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT MY MAMA SAID?
WELL, YOU GOT TO BE SMALLER THAN A HYPOCRITE
TO HIDE BEHIND ONE.
AND I THOUGHT, I AIN'T SAYING THAT NO MORE.
[ LAUGHING ]
JUST THAT TRUE.
YEAH.
WE WASTE SO MUCH GOOD TIME CRITICIZING
AND TRYING TO HURT SOMEONE WHEN WE CAN BE TOUCHING SOMEBODY
AND LIFTING SOMEBODY UP.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD.
IT'S ACTUALLY VERY SIMPLE.
THAT'S WHY CHILDREN RAN TOWARDS JESUS.
THAT MADE THE DISCIPLES A LITTLE MAD,
GET THESE STINKING KIDS OUT OF HERE.
HE SAID, PERMIT THE CHILDREN TO COME UNTO ME
FOR SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
YOU DON'T KNOW JESUS, YOU MEET HIM,
YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE HIM A LOT.
AND HE'S GOING TO LOVE YOU A LOT.
AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.
REBECCA: SEE, THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT YOU IS YOU ALWAYS,
YOU BRING IT BACK TO JESUS.
AND IT'S ALL ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.
AND YOU JUST SHOW SOMEONE YOU DON'T GOT TO BE RELIGIOUS.
BE RELIGIOUS, DON'T BE IT AT ALL.
JUST BE YOURSELF, BE CLOSE TO HIM,
AND SEE WHERE HE'LL TAKE YOU.
JESSE: THAT'S IT.
IT'S SO SIMPLE.
WE'RE ON A JOURNEY, WE DO HAVE A DESTINATION AND A DESTINY.
THAT'S A FACT.
BUT WE SHOULD BE ENJOYING THE JOURNEY.
I FIND THAT A LOT OF CHRISTIANS,
THEY'RE NOT ENJOYING THE JOURNEY.
WELL, MAYBE, REBECCA, THEY'RE NOT SAVED.
THEY MAY BE RELIGIOUSLY BRAINWASHED,
BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THE LORD.
SOME PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT GOD,
BUT THEY DON'T KNOW GOD.
YOU SEE, I HAVE MET YOU, I HAVE SPENT TIME WITH YOU
AND YOUR HUSBAND.
WE'VE DONE THINGS IN THE PAST.
THAT'S HOW I KNOW YOU.
BUT SOME PEOPLE SAY, I KNOW JESSE DUPLANTIS.
NO, YOU DON'T.
YOU KNOW ABOUT ME.
NOW, IF YOU GO TO DINNER WITH ME OR YOU DO AN INTERVIEW WITH ME
OR YOU COME TO ONE OF MY MEETINGS,
THEN YOU'LL BEGIN TO KNOW ME.
IT'S CALLED FELLOWSHIP.
REMEMBER I SAID, I WENT FROM RELIGION TO RELATIONSHIP
TO FELLOWSHIP.
I WANT A GOD I CAN TALK TO HIM.
JUST THAT SIMPLE.
NOW, WE CALL THIS A PODCAST.
WE'RE DOING THIS TODAY.
YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS FOR ETERNITY?
BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE UNIVERSES OUT THERE.
WHAT WORLD ARE WE GOING TO DO?
MAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT.
SO YOU LEARN THIS TECHNIQUE NOT JUST FOR THIS LIFETIME.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS,
WHO KNOWS WHO YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
REBECCA: OH.
JESSE: WE HAVE SO MUCH TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
REBECCA: I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT,
AND I WAS LIKE, WHY DO WE GET SO CAUGHT UP WITH THE SMALL THINGS
OF THIS LIFE WHEN THERE'S A WHOLE GLORIOUS LIFE
AHEAD OF US?
AND I THINK IT, REALLY, THAT'S ALSO AN ATTACK OF THE ENEMY,
THAT WE GET BOGGED DOWN AND FOCUSED ON STUFF
THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT.
WE JUST NEED TO BE TRUSTING GOD
AND WE NEED TO BE LOOKING TOWARDS HIM AND THE FUTURE,
LONGING FOR HIS APPEARING.
JESSE: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: THIS LIFE IS JUST TO PREPARE FOR HIS COMING BACK.
JESSE: AS I GET OLDER, I FINALLY UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURE,
LIFE IS BUT A VAPOR.
IT SEEMED LIKE TEN YEARS AGO I WAS 18.
WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT.
BECAUSE I'M HEALTHY, SO I STILL CAN DO WHAT I WANT TO DO.
BUT I'VE LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
WORRY AND FAITH ARE INCOMPATIBLE, YOU SEE.
IT'S LIKE AN OXYMORON, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK, YOU SEE.
SO I'VE DECIDED, HIS WILL BE DONE WHERE?
ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.
OR IN EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.
SO WHY CAN'T I LIVE HERE LIKE AS IF I WOULD BE LIVING IN HEAVEN?
WELL, LET'S SAY HOW YOU'D DO THAT.
YOU DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF.
BECAUSE GOD'S GOING TO TAKE YOU PLACES YOU NEVER THOUGHT.
NOT ONLY HERE IN THIS LIFE,
BUT IN THE LIFE TO COME.
AND IT JUST WORKS.
NOT SOME OF THE TIME, BUT ALL THE TIME.
REBECCA: SEE, I'M JUST RECEIVING THAT,
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M JUST STARTING TO REALLY LEARN THAT.
TO REALLY TRUST GOD.
I'VE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH OF MY TIME WORRYING
ABOUT STUPID STUFF, JUST BEING HONEST,
AND IT WILL SUCK ALL THE JOY RIGHT OUT OF YOUR LIFE.
JESSE: OH, YEAH.
NO, AND KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN.
HE AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT NOTHING BECAUSE MAMA AND DADDY
ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, RIGHT?
WELL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOD'S CHILDREN.
WE'RE NOT GOD'S ADULTS.
WE'RE GOD'S CHILDREN.
NOW, WE GROW TO THE FULLNESS OF THE STATURE OF CHRIST,
BUT WE'RE STILL GOD'S CHILDREN.
MY DAUGHTER'S 51 YEARS OLD,
BUT SHE'S STILL MY LITTLE GIRL.
DO YOU SEE MY POINT?
SO I THOUGHT, MY GOD, AGE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
SO I JUST LET MY LIGHT SHINE.
AND GOD AS A FATHER AND HIS FAMILY.
IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND GOD,
DO A RESEARCH ON FAMILY, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A FAMILY.
AND IT'S JUST SUCH A BLESSING.
REBECCA: WELL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HEAVEN,
BUT I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MAFIA.
JESSE: OKAY.
REBECCA: TWO VERY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
JESSE: OH, YEAH, NIGHT AND DAY.
[ LAUGHING ]
REBECCA: BUT YOU TOLD ME THIS REALLY COOL STORY
ABOUT YOU WERE PREACHING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE AT,
I WANT TO SAY PITTSBURGH,
I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG,
AND THEY TRIED TO SHUT YOU DOWN.
JESSE: OH, I'VE HAD A LOT OF CHURCHES TRY TO SHUT ME DOWN.
REBECCA: AND THE MAFIA ACTUALLY HELPED YOU...
JESSE: YES.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS...
REBECCA: OKAY, SO JUST YOU START FROM THE BEGINNING,
YOU GIVE THE CONTEXT.
JESSE: ME AND JERRY SAVELLE,
WE WERE USED TO DO WHAT WE WOULD CALL
CATCH THE SPIRIT OF REVIVAL MEETINGS.
SO WE WENT TO PHILADELPHIA.
OKAY.
WELL, WHEN YOU GO TO PHILADELPHIA
AND YOU GO TO NEW YORK, THE UNIONS ARE VERY STRONG.
AND A LOT OF THE UNIONS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE MAFIA,
SOME OF THEM, MAYBE NOT AS MUCH TODAY,
BUT THIS IS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
ALL RIGHT.
WELL, BY MY ASSOCIATION, I HAVE A LOT OF GREAT FRIENDS
THAT TOLD ME, I DIE WITH YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND?
BECAUSE YOU UNDERSTAND THE LIFESTYLE.
I WAS RAISED THAT WAY.
YES, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO ANYWAY, WE GO TO PHILADELPHIA,
AND WE WERE LATE.
THERE WAS ALREADY TWO THOUSAND PEOPLE STANDING IN LINE
TO GET INTO THIS BIG PHILADELPHIA CONVENTION CENTER.
SO WHAT WE DID, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,
WHAT WE DID WAS WE WALKED UP.
IF WE COULD HAVE SET UP THE EQUIPMENT,
WE COULD SET IT UP A LOT QUICKER THAN THE UNION PEOPLE
BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO TELL THE UNION WHAT TO DO.
SO WE GOT ON THE STAGE AND WE ASKED THE MAN --
WE WERE VERY POLITE -- IF YOU DON'T MIND,
COULD WE SET UP THE EQUIPMENT?
WE'LL PAY YOU LIKE AS IF YOU WERE SETTING IT UP.
YOUR PRICES, WHATEVER.
AND HE SAYS, SHUT THE MM UP,
AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
NO, BUDDY, GET OFF THE STAGE!
THERE'S A UNION HERE, YOU UNDERSTAND ME?
AND I THOUGHT, JERRY LOOKS AT ME AND HE SAID, MAN,
WE'RE GOING TO BE LATE.
BECAUSE IT TAKES A WHILE TO SET UP THIS EQUIPMENT.
AND LIGHTS AND VIDEO AND AUDIO, AND YOU NAME IT, MAN.
AND I'M THINKING, OH, GOD.
NOW, I HAVE A NUMBER.
[ CHUCKLES ]
THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME A LONG TIME AGO.
IF YOU EVER HAVE A PROBLEM,
YOU CALL THIS NUMBER.
WE'LL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.
[ LAUGHING ]
YOU UNDERSTAND.
IT AIN'T PERSONAL, IT'S JUST BUSINESS.
OKAY.
WELL, NOW I'M SAVED.
AND I HAVE A LOT OF MAFIA FRIENDS.
PEOPLE SAY, WHY?
WELL, THEY NEED JESUS JUST AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE.
HE SAID, GO TO ALL THE WORLD, DIDN'T HE?
DIDN'T SAY SOME, DID HE?
ALL THE WORLD.
SO I KNOW THEM AND I'VE EATEN DINNER AND I EAT IN RESTAURANTS
WHEN I GO TO LITTLE ITALY AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.
ANYWAY, AND I THOUGHT -- AND JERRY SAID, MAN.
AND JERRY DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON.
JERRY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW I HAD THAT NUMBER.
[ CHUCKLES ]
IT'S SO FUNNY.
AND I LET IT SLIP OUT TO JERRY BY ACCIDENT,
AND ANYWAY, I WAS JUST TALKING, HE SAID, MAN,
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, JESSE?
PEOPLE ARE LINING UP.
AND MY GOD, WE'RE GOING TO BE LATE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND I HEARD THIS.
USE THE NUMBER.
WELL, I THOUGHT, THE NUMBER.
SO I SAID, JERRY, I'LL BE BACK IN JUST A MOMENT.
THIS IS BEFORE CELL PHONES.
CELL PHONES DIDN'T -- WEREN'T THAT BIG.
SO YOU HAD TO GET TO A PHONE BOOTH.
SO I CALLED THAT FRIEND AND I SAID, HEY,
HOW ARE YOU DOING?
WHAT CAN WE DO?
I SAID, I'M IN PHILADELPHIA HERE.
HE SAID, WHAT DO YOU NEED?
JUST LIKE THAT.
WHAT DO YOU NEED?
I SAID, MAN, I'M IN PHILADELPHIA,
THE UNION WON'T LET US GET ON THE STAGE.
AND I SAID, WE DON'T MIND PAYING THEM THE FULL DUES,
WHATEVER IT TAKES, BECAUSE WE COULD GET IT DONE REAL QUICK.
HE SAID, WHAT HIS NAME?
I SAID, HIS NAME IS FRANK.
HE SAYS, STAY THERE.
I'LL CALL YOU BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.
I HUNG UP THE PHONE.
I STAYED.
YOU LISTEN TO WHEN THESE PEOPLE TALK,
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND IT WASN'T THREE MINUTES.
FRANK, THE GUY THAT CUSSES AND THROWS,
COMES TO ME AND HE SAYS, I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO DISRESPECT YOU.
WHAT CAN WE DO?
THEY MADE A PHONE CALL, SEE, AND EVERYTHING.
WHAT CAN WE DO?
I SAID, WELL, FRANK, I DON'T WANT TO GET NOBODY IN TROUBLE.
I JUST, IF YOU LET US, WE'LL PAY YOU DOUBLE TIME.
OH, NO, WE WON'T EVEN CHARGE YOU.
JUST DO WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO DO.
SO WE SET IT ALL UP.
JERRY COMES RUNNING IN THERE AND HE GOES, MY GOD,
MAN, THE LORD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS.
AND I WENT, YEAH.
[ LAUGHING ]
THAT'S A TRUE STORY.
AND WHEN JERRY FINALLY WENT,
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!
I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, GOD USES THINGS YOU NEVER THOUGHT
HE WOULD USE.
AND THAT NIGHT, OH, I THINK MAYBE 130 PEOPLE GOT BORN AGAIN.
BUT THAT WOULD HAVE SHUT DOWN IF WE COULDN'T HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT WE HAD TO DO.
NOW, I'M NOT TELLING PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND USE THE MAFIA,
I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING WAS --
REBECCA: YOU'RE NOT ENDORSING THE MAFIA RIGHT NOW.
JESSE: NO, I'M NOT ENDORSING ANY OF THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M GOING TO LET MY LIGHT SO SHINE.
AND I'LL TELL EVERYBODY OUT THERE,
YOU KNOW BETTER ANYBODY ELSE.
SO THE BEST THING YOU DO IS LET YOUR LIGHT SHINE.
SO I DO.
NOW, SOMETIMES, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
Y'ALL KNOW I'VE BEEN ATTACKED FEROCIOUSLY.
I'VE BEEN PERSECUTED.
DAYSTAR, WHEN I WAS THE NUMBER ONE STORY IN THE WORLD
TWO YEARS AGO.
REBECCA: I REMEMBER THAT.
JESSE: OH, THEY WANTED TO KILL ME, MAN.
I WAS THE FRONT PAGE IN KAZAKHSTAN.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT COUNTRY IS.
AND I HAD MY LA COSA NOSTRA FRIENDS CALL ME,
THEY SAID, AND I LOVE THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHY,
BUT I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.
HE SAID, DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE CARE OF THIS?
AND I WANTED TO SAY, YEAH.
TAKE CARE OF THIS.
BUT I WENT, NO, NO.
I SAID, NO.
THE LORD WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A LOT QUICKER IF THEY DID.
BUT THAT'S WRONG, SEE.
YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, THAT'S TERRORISM.
THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
YOU SAY, I KNOW SOMEBODY THAT CAN BLOW YOUR HEAD OFF
IN A SECOND.
AND TO THEM, IT AIN'T PERSONAL,
IT'S JUST BUSINESS, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
SO WHEN I GOT BORN AGAIN OR WHEN I SPEAK TO THE MOB ABOUT JESUS,
DO YOU, I TALK THEIR LANGUAGE.
I TELL THEM, I SAID, YOU NEED TO MEET THE BOSS OF THE BOSSES,
THE CAPO DEI CAPI.
SO YOU COULD BE A MADE MAN.
MADE MAN?
THAT'S A BIG THING IN A MAFIA.
YEAH, BUT MAY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD, YOU UNDERSTAND?
[ LAUGHING ]
AND THEY GO, OH, YEAH, MAN.
MAN, THEY SAID, YOU MEAN YOU GOT JUICE?
I SAID, YEAH, WE GOT JUICE.
AND IT JUST WORKS THAT WAY.
YOU HAVE TO TALK THEIR LINGO.
AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF THEM GET BORN AGAIN.
REBECCA: PRAISE GOD.
JESSE: ISN'T THAT A MIRACLE TO JESUS?
REBECCA: THAT IS.
JESSE: GOD WILL SAVE PEOPLE IF THEY'LL REACH OUT TO HIM.
REBECCA: IF YOU'LL JUST --
JESSE: THAT'S ONE PART OF IT.
REBECCA: IF YOU'RE WILLING TO BE USED THAT WAY
AND YOU THROW OFF YOUR RELIGIOUS APPEARANCES,
HOW DID YOU HANDLE EVERYONE IN THE WORLD ATTACKING YOU?
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TUCKED THEIR TAILS AND RAN.
JESSE: WELL, MY DAUGHTER SAID THAT SHE SAID,
DADDY, YOU'RE THE STRONGEST MAN I'VE EVER MET IN MY LIFE.
AND I ASKED THE LORD, I SAID,
HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO HANDLE THIS?
AND HE SAID THIS: YOU'LL KILL IT WITH JOY.
AND THE JOY OF THE LORD IS YOUR STRENGTH.
AND I'M KNOWN AS THE APOSTLE OF JOY WHO TAGGED ME WITH THAT
WAS JOHN HAGEE, WHAT, TWENTY-FIVE,
THIRTY YEARS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I SAID, I WILL KILL IT WITH JOY.
REBECCA: I LOVE THAT, THOUGH.
I FEEL LIKE A LESSON I'M HAVING TO LEARN RIGHT NOW
IS TO SURRENDER WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT YOU
AND DON'T EVEN TRY TO CONTROL IT.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SERVING THE LORD,
THEY'RE GOING TO HATE YOU.
JESUS SAYS, IF THEY HATED ME,
THEY'RE GOING TO HATE YOU.
JESSE: WELL, NO ONE'S GOING TO JUDGE YOU, REBECCA.
YOU WILL STAND BEFORE GOD.
AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CRITICIZED YOU
WILL NOT BE THERE TO SAY THIS AND SAY THAT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT GOD'S GOING TO SAY?
WELL DONE, MY GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT.
I LIKE THAT.
REBECCA: I DO, TOO.
JESSE: SO I JUST LEFT, I WISH THEY WOULDN'T BELIEVE THAT.
I LIKE BEING LIKED.
REBECCA: ME TOO.
JESSE: JODY TOLD ME THAT BEFORE I LEFT NOT LONG AGO.
DADDY, PEOPLE LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
I SAID, I'M LOVEABLE.
[ LAUGHING ]
I'M LOVEABLE.
AND I DON'T MEAN THAT PRIDEFULLY, I JUST AM.
IF YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN ME BEFORE
I WAS SAVED I WOULDN'T HAVE LOVED YOU.
NUH-UH.
OH, YOU THINK I'D CARE?
I DON'T CARE IF YOU DIED.
THAT'S HOW -- WHEN YOU HAVE A HOLE IN YOU SO DEEP
THAT NOBODY CAN FILL UP OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST,
IT'S AMAZING WHAT YOU'RE CAPABLE OF DOING.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH SATAN.
HE'S GOT THIS BIG HOLE AND HE'S DESTROYING HIMSELF.
AND I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR HIM BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE.
BUT I MADE UP MY MIND, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO FOCUS
ON THAT STUFF.
I HAVE TO FOCUS ON CHRIST THE HOPE OF GLORY, CHRIST IN ME.
JUST THAT SIMPLE.
REBECCA: AND I JUST -- I WISH MORE MINISTERS,
IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS, MINISTER OR NOT,
BELIEVER, WHATEVER, WHOEVER YOU ARE,
I JUST WANT THEM TO RECEIVE THAT WORD.
BECAUSE IF THE ENEMY CAN INTIMIDATE YOU
AND MAKE YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK,
YOU'RE GOING TO STOP.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO WHAT GOD CALLS YOU TO DO.
BUT IF YOU CAN LET THAT GO AND JUST ALLOW GOD'S VIEW OF YOU
TO BE ALL THAT MATTERS,
YOU'LL GO EXACTLY WHERE HE WANTS YOU TO GO.
JESSE: WELL, HOW MANY TIMES DAYSTAR HAS BEEN RAWLY RIPPED?
REBECCA: OH, I KNOW.
I GREW UP UNDER IT.
JESSE: YEAH, IT'S JUST PART.
MARCUS, BEFORE HE WENT HOME,
HE WOULD CALL ME SOMETIMES AND HE WOULD SAY, OH, BOY,
THEY'RE COMING AT ME.
AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT THAT MEANS EVIDENT
YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING RIGHT.
NOW, THIS IS SO WONDERFUL.
I SAID THIS, AND JONI LOVED IT.
LET ME TELL EVERYBODY TODAY.
DO YOU KNOW THAT GOD CAN'T REMEMBER YOUR SIN?
YOU CAN.
I CAN REMEMBER THINGS GOD CAN'T.
HE DIDN'T COVER MY SIN, REBECCA,
HE WASHED IT AWAY.
IT NEVER EXISTED.
HE EXPUNGED MY RECORD.
IT DOESN'T EXIST.
NOW, I MAY BE ABLE TO REMEMBER THAT, BUT GOD CAN'T.
SEE, COMFORT YOURSELF WITH THOSE WORDS.
WHEN YOU ASK CHRIST TO COME INTO YOUR HEART AND YOU REPENT,
THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE IN REPENTANCE.
BECAUSE YOUR WHOLE RECORD GETS EXPUNGED.
LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED.
AND THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
SO DO IT, AND YOU'LL BE BLESSED BY IT.
REBECCA: THAT'S THE POWER OF THE BLOOD OF JESUS.
JESSE: AMEN.
REBECCA: ALL RIGHT.
LAST THING.
JESSE: OKAY.
REBECCA: TELL US ABOUT YOUR HEAVEN EXPERIENCE.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW -- I KNOW WHAT THE INTERNET WANTS TO HEAR,
AND PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY.
I HAVE A HOLY JEALOUSY.
I KEEP ASKING GOD TO BEAM ME UP,
IT HAS NOT HAPPENED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT EVER WILL.
BUT IT HAPPENED TO YOU.
JESSE: IT HAPPENED TO ME IN 1988 IN MAGNOLIA, ARKANSAS,
AT THE BEST WESTERN HOTEL AT ROOM 105
AT 1:00 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
I CAN REMEMBER IT LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY.
PEOPLE SAID, YOU HAD A VISION.
NO.
I DIDN'T HAVE A VISION.
I HAD A TRIP.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT THROUGH THAT CEILING.
I HEARD THE WIND, WHOO.
AND THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT IN MY MIND WAS,
IS THERE A TORNADO OUTSIDE OR SOMETHING?
YOU'RE THINKING, AND I GOT SUCKED OUT THAT ROOM.
TRAVELING AT A PHENOMENAL RATE OF SPEED.
SOME PEOPLE SAY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
I DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE ARROGANT.
I DON'T CARE.
DON'T BELIEVE IT.
BUT IT'S STILL TRUE.
REBECCA: [ CHUCKLES ]
JESSE: AND THE LORD SAID I HAD AN ANGEL PICK ME UP
THAT I HAD TALKED TO YEARS BEFORE, AND HE SAID,
YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE MOST HIGH GOD.
AND TO SEE HEAVEN IS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING PLACES.
IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT IT IN ENGLISH.
I COULD PRAY IT IN THE HOLY GHOST.
AND I'M VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROGRAMS -- MY WIFE'S IN HERE --
HAVE ASKED ME TO COME TALK ABOUT THIS, AND I REFUSE.
I REFUSE.
BECAUSE IT'S HOLY TO ME.
AND I WROTE A BOOK CALLEDCLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND .
AND I INCLUDED THE HEAVEN THING.
AND I SPOKE AT A JOHN OSTEEN'S CHURCH, OH, GOD,
WHAT, 1993, '94.
I WAS SKINNY AND I HAD BROWN HAIR.
IT WAS NICE.
[ LAUGHING ]
AND THE ANGEL BROUGHT ME AROUND AND I MET JESUS CHRIST,
PUT HIS HAND ON MY SHOULDER.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE,
HE'S BETWEEN 5'11" AND 6'1".
I THOUGHT HIS HAIR WAS MY COLOR.
YOU SEE HOW WHITE MY HAIR IS, IF YOU CAN SEE.
REBECCA: [ CHUCKLES ]
JESSE: BUT WHEN HE TURNED HIS HEAD LIKE THIS,
HIS HAIR WAS LIGHT BROWN.
AND HE BROUGHT ME TO HEAVEN.
AND HE TOLD -- GAVE ME A MESSAGE.
AND I ARGUED WITH HIM OVER THE MESSAGE.
HE SAID, GO TELL MY PEOPLE I'M COMING.
I SAID, YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG MAN.
YOU NEED BILLY GRAHAM.
THIS WAS 1988.
NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE KNEW WHO I WAS.
TODAY THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER BALL GAME.
I SAID, YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG MAN HERE.
AND I SAID, LORD, THEY KNOW YOU'RE COMING.
AND HE GOT REAL STERN WITH ME.
HE WENT, NO, THEY DON'T.
NOW, REBECCA, THINK ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS
PODCAST.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT GOD?
REBECCA: I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY.
JESSE: THAT'S CORRECT.
SO HE NEEDS A VOICE.
THAT'S WHY YOU DO THESE THINGS.
HE NEEDS A VOICE.
SEE.
AND I MET THE APOSTLE PAUL, I TALKED TO JONAH,
I SAW MOSES FROM AFAR OFF.
I GOT TO MEET ABRAHAM.
WELL, HE'S A NICE GUY.
HE'S THICK-BARREL CHESTED, BIG GUY.
BOY, I MET THE PATRIARCH.
I SAW MOSES, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO HIM FROM AFAR OFF.
AND I LOVE MY CONVERSATION WITH THE APOSTLE PAUL.
NOW, THE LORD TOOK ME TO MY HOUSE.
JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.
I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME IN THE NATURAL HERE, GORGEOUS.
BUT, MAN, IT'S A SHACK COMPARED TO WHAT GOD'S BUILT FOR ME.
AND HE SAID, I MADE A TABLE FOR YOU.
REBECCA, I LOVE A FOYER OF A HOUSE.
TO ME, IT SETS THE TONE OF THE HOUSE.
AND JESUS IS THE CARPENTER FOR A REASON, HE BUILDS THINGS.
HE DON'T JUST GOT A JOB, SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND HE BUILT A BEAUTIFUL TABLE THAT HE PUT GOLDEN ANGELS
ON THE CORNERS OF IT.
I COULD SEE IT LIKE I'M SEEING YOU.
HE SAID, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE THIS.
I THOUGHT, MY GOD, DO I LOVE THIS, THIS IS GREAT.
BUT WHAT WAS GREATER THAN ANYTHING WAS TO ACTUALLY
BE STANDING THERE AND TALKING TO GOD ALMIGHTY.
AND ALL THESE PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE,
I WASN'T INTERESTED IN GOLD STREETS.
WHICH I SAW.
BEAUTIFUL.
DIAMOND, BERYL, JASPER, ONYX, RUBY, PEARLY GATES.
YOU OUGHT TO SEE THAT BOOK OF LIFE, THAT THING'S BIG.
YOU OUGHT TO SEE THAT, THAT THING IS BEAUTIFUL.
WHAT I WAS INTERESTED IN WAS PEOPLE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JESSE: I WANTED TO NOTICE PEOPLE.
YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THE COLOR RED UNTIL YOU SEE IT IN HEAVEN.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY OF THIS.
BEFORE WE HAD THE HUBBLE TELESCOPE
OR THE JAMES WEBB TELESCOPE, WE HAD TO LOOK
THROUGH THE ATMOSPHERE.
SO THAT DULLED ALL THE SENSES.
ONCE WE GOT THE HUBBLE TELESCOPE UP THERE AND THE JAMES WEBB,
NOW IT'S, ALL THE BLURRING IS GONE.
AND WHEN THE HUBBLE TELESCOPE, ESPECIALLY THE JAMES WEBB ONE,
YOU GO, JESUS, LOOK AT THAT.
BECAUSE, YOU SEE, ON THE EARTH IS THE STAIN OF SIN.
SEE, NOW, WHEN YOU GET TO HEAVEN,
THERE'S -- THAT'S WHY HE SAID THAT
HE'S GOING TO DESTROY THIS EARTH.
HE'S GOING TO GIVE US A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH.
BECAUSE SO THERE WILL BE NO STAIN ON IT.
YOU CAN HAVE THE PRETTIEST SUIT OR THE PRETTIEST DRESS
IN THE WORLD, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A SMALL STAIN,
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NOTICE THE STAIN
BEFORE THEY NOTICE THE DRESS.
WELL, RED, BLUES, PURPLES, IT'S THE MOST AMAZING THING.
BUT THE THING WAS TO SEE JESUS.
HIS CLOTHES.
LOOKED LIKE DIAMONDS.
AND THEN I REALIZED WHAT IT WAS.
IT WAS HIS ANOINTING WAS FLOWING THROUGH THE CLOTHES.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JESSE: SPARKLING, JUST, WOW.
AND I THOUGHT, MY GOD.
AND THE KIDS COME RUNNING UP TO HIM.
AND HE JUST LOVED THEM.
REBECCA: AW.
JESSE: AND THAT ANGEL THAT BROUGHT ME THERE, HE KNELT DOWN.
I KNELT DOWN, TOO.
HE'S THE KING OF KINGS.
I GOT TO MEET KING DAVID.
HE'S THE ONLY OTHER PERSON BESIDES JESUS THAT I SAW
WITH A CROWN ON.
HE IS THE KING OF ISRAEL.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JESSE: THAT'S A FACT.
AND HE WAS A NICE GUY.
AND HE SAID, I HEARD YOU WAS A MUSICIAN.
I SAID, YES.
HE SAID, I WAS A MUSICIAN.
I'VE WROTE SONGS.
I SAID, YEAH, I'VE READ SOME OF YOUR SONGS.
[ LAUGHING ]
JESSE: WE'RE JUST HAVING THIS DISCUSSION LIKE IT'S NOTHING,
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S JUST THAT NORMAL.
AND IT WAS MOST -- AND IT'S PAVILIONS WITH PEOPLE,
KIDS SINGING, GREAT.
AND HE HASN'T LOST PARADISE.
I MET A COUPLE, AND I'M FAIRLY SAD TO TALK ABOUT THIS,
WITH THEIR FAMILY, THEY WERE KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT.
NOW, ALL OF THEM.
AND AS I WAS GOING TOWARD THE THRONE,
WALKING WITH THAT ANGEL, I GOT TO MEET THEM.
THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING ON A PICNIC,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO?
AND I WENT, YEAH.
[ LAUGHING ]
WHY NOT.
AND THE ANGEL, HE SAID, YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT
WITH THE MOST HIGH GOD.
I SAID, WHEN I COME BACK, WE'LL GO ON THAT PICNIC.
THEY SAID, OKAY.
NOW, ALL DESIRES ARE GIVEN TO YOU.
YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING TO HEAVEN, THEY ACT ON IT.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, GLORY TO GOD.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY, GLORY TO GOD,
THE ANGEL LIFTS HIS HAND, GLORY TO GOD.
SEE, TO THEM, THAT'S A COMMAND.
YOU CAN'T SING IT.
HALLELUJAH.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO, HALLE.
I MEAN, TO US, IT'S JUST A WORD THAT YOU'RE FILLING IN
THE LANGUAGE.
NOT THERE.
THAT IS A THING THAT YOU DO.
REBECCA: WOW.
JESSE: IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS
TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO I TELL PEOPLE, YOU'VE JUST GOT TO GO.
AND IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE.
AND I TELL ALL PEOPLE TO HELP.
WHY SOMETIMES SOME PEOPLE DON'T GET HEALED.
THEY BELIEVE FOR GOD FOR HEALING TO THE VERY LAST DAY
BECAUSE ONCE THEY SEE JESUS,
THEY AIN'T COMING BACK TO DALLAS.
[ LAUGHING ]
THEY AIN'T COMING BACK TO ARLINGTON,
THEY AIN'T COMING BACK TO NEW ORLEANS.
BUT THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE,
THEY ARE STAYING THERE.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY THIS: IT DIDN'T INCREASE MY FAITH.
FAITH DON'T COME THAT WAY.
SEE, FAITH COME BY HEARING,
AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD.
WHAT IT INCREASED IN MY LIFE WAS MY LONGING FOR JESUS TO COME.
NOW, I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING MAYBE I SHOULDN'T SAY,
BUT I'VE GOT TO BE HONEST.
I WAS PRAYING NOT TOO LONG AGO.
I SAID, COME ON, JESUS.
NOW, YOU KNOW WHAT, JESUS DOESN'T KNOW WHEN HE'S COMING?
REBECCA: I KNOW.
JESSE: DO YOU KNOW WHY?
REBECCA: ONLY, NO, I JUST KNOW --
JESSE: I'M GOING TO TELL YOU.
ONLY THE HEAVENLY FATHER KNOWS WHY.
BECAUSE IF JESUS KNEW, HE WOULD TELL US.
[ LAUGHING ]
HE WOULD SAY, BECKY, THURSDAY, 2:00 O'CLOCK.
OKAY, WE GOT IT.
ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS THAT.
AND IT'S JUST THE MOST AMAZING THING.
WELL, HE'S GOING TO RELEASE CHRIST.
HE WANTS TO SEE US MORE THAN WE WANT TO SEE HIM.
REBECCA: AW.
JESSE: THAT'S AMAZING.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR ETERNITY.
THERE WILL BE NO MORE SEPARATIONS EVER.
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME,
GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY GHOST,
AND US WILL BE ALL TOGETHER AS ONE.
ANGELS ARE WONDERFUL, BUT THEY'RE SERVANTS.
BECKY IS FAMILY.
SHE'S A DAUGHTER.
WE'RE SONS.
DAUGHTERS.
YOU'RE IN THE FAMILY.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
YOU BELONG TO THE FAMILY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT,
THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS IN THE WORLD.
AND THAT'S WHY, WHEN THE ANGELS,
THEY JUST LOVE YOU, THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED IN YOU
THAN YOU ARE IN THEM.
BECAUSE WHEN GOD SAID, LET US MAKE MAN, THEY SAID,
WHAT'S A MAN?
AND THEN GOD SAID, LET'S MAKE HIM IN OUR IMAGE
AND GIVE THEM DOMINION OVER ALL THE WORKS OF OUR HAND.
ARE ANGELS THE WORKS OF GOD'S HAND?
YEAH.
YOU'VE GOT DOMINION OVER THAT.
THAT'S AMAZING TO ME.
WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN SIT DOWN IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD.
MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL CANNOT.
GABRIEL CANNOT.
THE SERAPHIMS, THE CHERUBIMS, THE ARCHANGELS, THEY CANNOT.
BUT YOU, BECKY, CAN SIT DOWN AT THE THRONE.
HE MADE YOU SIT.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT?
YOU'RE FAMILY.
YOU'RE LA FAMIGLIA.
HE MADE US AN OFFER WE COULDN'T REFUSE.
[ LAUGHING ]
IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.
REBECCA: I LOVE IT.
JESSE: AND THAT'S HOW I TELL PEOPLE ABOUT CHRIST.
AND IT'S THE MOST WONDERFUL THING IN THE WORLD.
THIS IS NOT RELIGION, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
RELIGION'S A GARDEN OF WEEDS.
THAT'S A THEOLOGICAL WILDERNESS THERE, BUDDY.
THIS IS PERSONAL.
JESUS IS NOT A RELIGION.
HE'S A PERSON.
SEE, AND WHY DID HE COME?
TO SAVE YOU?
NO, HE DID THAT WHILE HE WAS HERE,
THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW THE FATHER.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS.
WHY WAS HE SO SUCCESSFUL?
BECAUSE HE WAS JESUS?
NO.
BECAUSE HE SAID THIS: I ONLY SAY WHAT MY FATHER SAYS
AND I'LL ONLY DO WHAT MY FATHER SAYS TO DO.
WELL, YOU CAN CRITICIZE ME ALL YOU WANT,
I'M ONLY GOING TO SAY WHAT THE FATHER SAYS,
AND I'M ONLY GOING TO DO WHAT THE FATHER SAYS TO DO.
REBECCA: YOU WANT HIS RETURN MORE THAN ANYTHING.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SET UP SHOP HERE.
YOU'RE NOT CARNAL.
JESSE: NO.
REBECCA: THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
JESSE: I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL I GET TO HEAVEN.
REBECCA: ME TOO.
JESSE: BECAUSE, AND THE REASON WHY,
YOU KNOW IT'S THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO SAY,
WHAT'S MY ASSIGNMENT?
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JESSE: WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LAYING AROUND ON THE GROUND
AND ANGELS DROPPING GRAPES IN OUR MOUTH.
SEE, SOME PEOPLE COME AND THINK THAT.
THE BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE HEAVEN
AND IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON, IT'S LIKE AN ECONOMY.
IT'S A PLACE OF WORK.
IT'S BUSTLING.
GOD IS STILL CREATING.
RIGHT NOW, THE UNIVERSE IS EXPANDING FASTER
THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHY?
THAT'S GOD CREATING.
HE'S A CREATOR.
REBECCA: I CAN'T EVEN REALLY FATHOM THAT.
JESSE: WELL, IT'S BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
SEE, YOU CAN GET SO SMART THAT YOU GET DUMB.
REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE.
JESSE: AND I'VE SEEN THAT WITH SCIENTISTS.
I'VE TALKED TO SOME VERY BRILLIANT PEOPLE.
WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD.
I SAID, WELL, THAT DON'T CHANGE IT.
WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE ME FACT.
I SAID, FAITH IS ACTUALLY STRONGER THAN FACT.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JESSE: IT REALLY IS.
ONE OF THE GREATEST, ONE OF THE MOST BLESSED STATES TO LIVE IN
IS TO LIVE IN SOMETHING -- IS TO LIVE BY FAITH
ON THINGS YOU CAN'T SEE.
BECAUSE IT WILL BRING FORTH STUFF THAT YOU CAN SEE.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT FIFTY YEARS AGO,
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THAT OLD,
WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, IF WE WOULD HAVE TOLD
THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED FIFTY YEARS AGO,
YOU DONE LOST YOUR MIND.
YOU CAN CARRY THE WORLD AROUND IN YOUR CELL PHONE.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS IN THAT CELL PHONE.
WHOEVER THOUGHT THAT A PHONE COULD TAKE A BETTER PICTURE
THAN THE CAMERAS WHEN WE USED TO HAVE TO GO
TO THE PHOTOGRAPHER'S WAY BACK WHEN.
IT'S AMAZING HOW WE CAN TALK TO THE WORLD, THE INTERNET.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
SOCIAL MEDIA.
TWENTY YEARS AGO, YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
THAT'S AMAZING TO ME.
AND SEE.
BUT WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN, THIS TECHNOLOGY, MM, MM, MM,
IT'S GOING TO BE AMAZING.
I'M JUST SAYING.
LORD, I'M YOURS TO COMMAND.
COMMAND YE ME.
AND I'LL DO IT.
IT'S COMING.
AND IT'S COMING SOONER THAN WE THINK.
REBECCA: YEAH.
I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE THRONE ROOM.
JESSE: THE THRONE, IT'S A ROOM, BUT IT'S SO BIG.
IT'S FIFTEEN HUNDRED MILES HIGH.
WHEN THE ANGELS WERE FLYING AROUND IT,
THAT'S THE SERAPHIMS, ARCHANGELS, WHOO.
AND THEY SAID, GO, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY.
THE GREAT GOD JEHOVAH.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW WHY THEY SAY THAT,
AND JERRY SAVELLE LOVES THIS, HE SAID,
I LOVE WHEN YOU SAY THAT.
BECAUSE EVERY TIME THEY MAKE THAT CIRCLE, NOW,
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR TRILLIONS,
QUATRILLIONS, YEARS JUST BEYOND HUMAN REASON,
EVERY TIME THEY MAKE THAT CIRCLE, THEY LOOK DOWN,
THEY SEE A SIDE OF GOD THEY'VE NEVER SEEN.
AND IT EXPLODES IN SUCH MIGHT, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY.
THEY'RE STILL DOING THAT.
THAT THRONE IS SOMETHING.
EVERYONE IN HEAVEN, YOU'VE GOT PARADISE,
THE NEW JERUSALEM, AND THE THRONE.
EVERYONE WANTS TO GET TO THAT THRONE.
YOU'VE GOT TO PASS THROUGH THE FRAGRANCE OF GOD.
I KEPT GOING, WHAT'S THAT WONDERFUL SMELL?
GOOD GOD.
AND THAT ANGEL SAID, THAT'S THE FRAGRANCE OF GOD.
IT PERMEATES EVERYTHING.
AND THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER SMELLED IT ON THE EARTH
IS WHEN I GET INTO A REAL DEEP HOLY GHOST TIME,
ALL OF A SUDDEN, I GO, MY GOD, THAT SMELL.
AND I WISH I COULD EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU HOW GOD KEEPS SECRETS.
I WANT EVERYBODY TO LISTEN HERE.
YOU IN THE PODCAST, LISTEN.
OKAY.
WHAT IS THIS?
THIS IS A CUP, AM I CORRECT?
C-U-P, CUP, RIGHT.
OKAY.
IF THERE WAS NO SUCH WORD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE OR ANY LANGUAGE
TO DESCRIBE THIS, TO SAY WHAT IT IS, WHAT IS THIS?
YOU WOULD GO, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS,
BUT YOU CAN'T SPEAK IT.
I GOT SO IRRITATED WHEN I READ THE BOOK OF DANIEL
AND GOD SAID, SEAL UP THE SUM.
NO, NO, NO, DON'T DO THAT.
SO HE PUT IT TO WHERE HE TOOK ALL LANGUAGE OUT
TO DESCRIBE THIS, AND THAT'S HOW GOD KEEPS SECRETS.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE DAY YOU LOOK AT IT,
YOU HAVE NO IDEA, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS BUT YOU CAN'T SAY IT
BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUCH WORD.
AND GOD WILL REVEAL TO YOU, CUP.
OH, THIS IS A CUP.
AND HE'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER WORD TO IT.
MUG.
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
KATHY LIKES TO DRINK OUT OF A FINE THIN NICE CUP AND SAUCER.
NOW, AND SHE LIKES THAT.
BUT WHEN SHE WANTS TO HAVE HER MORNING COFFEE,
SHE WANTS A CUP.
WHY?
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE COFFEE IN A MUG IN A CUP
THAN IN A BEAUTIFUL FINE PIECE OF CHINA.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY?
SO THAT'S HOW GOD KEEPS SECRETS.
THERE'S NO LANGUAGE.
I LEARNED THAT IN HEAVEN.
I SAID, THAT'S HOW YOU DO THAT.
YEAH, HE SAID, IF I TAKE THE WORDS OUT,
YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT IT IS.
REBECCA: BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW YET.
JESSE: THE TIME IS NOT YET.
THERE'S SOME THINGS YOUR BOYS ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW
UNTIL LATER.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIT-DOWN,
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING.
YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND WILL GET TOGETHER,
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO TELL THEM, A FEW THINGS.
THEY MAY NOT KNOW THAT NOW.
REBECCA: THERE'S A LOT THEY DON'T KNOW.
JESSE: A LOT THAT THEY DON'T KNOW.
BUT ONE DAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KNOW.
SEE, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU EXPLAIN THAT TODAY,
THEY'VE GOT NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OVER HERE, WELL, IT'S THE SAME WAY.
THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO RECEIVE IT.
THAT'S ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT GOD,
HE DOESN'T WASTE WORDS.
WORDS ARE CONTAINERS.
THEY'RE VESSELS, THEY CARRY YOUR FUTURE,
THEY CARRY YOUR DESTINY AND YOUR DESTINATION.
BUT THE DAY WILL COME WHEN REBECCA WILL SAY, SIT DOWN, BOY.
I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.
AND YOU'LL BEGIN TO REVEAL SOMETHING, AND THEY'LL GO,
OH, MOM, WOW.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE LIGHT GO ON IN THEM.
YET YOU COULD HAVE TOLD THEM ALL THOSE YEARS AGO,
BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A WASTE OF WORDS.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
THAT'S MY POINT.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPLETE WASTE OF WORDS.
BUT WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THAT, THOSE DISCUSSIONS,
YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND.
AND YOU MAY HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM AFTER THEY GOT MARRIED
AND HAVE THEIR CHILDREN
AND YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THEM.
LISTEN TO YOUR MAMA.
LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS.
OH, MAMA, NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
SEE, SO WE'RE EVERLEARNING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE LORD.
NEVER BORING.
ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW.
ALWAYS SOMETHING TO LEARN.
BUT NOT IN A HARD WAY.
IN THIS KIND OF WAY.
WOW, MAN.
THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME THAT,
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EXISTED.
AND IT'S COMING.
REBECCA: SO GOD THE FATHER'S ON THE THRONE?
JESSE: YES.
REBECCA: COULD YOU SEE HIM?
PROBABLY, HUH?
JESSE: YEAH, I SAW HIM AND I SAW JESUS.
WHAT HAPPENED, I COULDN'T STAND UP,
I JUST HIT THE GROUND.
AND THIS ANGEL GAVE ME A PIECE OF FRUIT
ABOUT THE SIZE OF AN APRICOT AND I WENT, OH, ABOUT THIS BIG.
HE SAID, EAT THIS SO YOU CAN WITHSTAND THE GLORY OF GOD.
AND THAT'S WHY I KNEW I WAS IN MY BODY.
IF I WAS IN MY SPIRIT, I COULD STAND.
I BIT THE DUST, MAN.
I HAD TO FALL DOWN, MAN, YOU JUST CAN'T.
AND I ATE THAT, AND IT WAS VERY JUICY, AND I WENT,
I COULD FEEL STRENGTH COMING BACK.
AND I SAW THE FATHER GOD.
AND HE SOUNDED LIKE THIS -- I DON'T MEAN THIS TO
MESS UP THIS MICROPHONE, WHOO, WHOO.
MORE LIKE IF HE JUST MOVED, ANNIHILATION, EVERYTHING.
AND I SAW, LOOK AT MY FINGER IF YOU CAN GET A SHOT OF THIS.
AND HE DID THIS.
KNOCKED ONE OF THEM BIG ANGELS --
THEY'RE ABOUT THIRTY FEET TALL, THEM SERAPHIMS,
THEY'RE HUGE -- BAM, HIT THE WALL.
IF GOD THE FATHER MOVES, ANNIHILATION.
POWER.
NOW, OUT OF THAT SMOKE, OUT OF THAT POWER,
COMES JESUS IN HUMAN FORM THAT YOU CAN HUG HIM.
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS.
JESSE: SEE GOD IS SPIRIT,
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO YOU CAN HUG HIM, YOU CAN TOUCH HIM.
AND HE CAME OUT.
AND HE STARTED PREACHING, THIS SEEMED LIKE MILLIONS
AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
HOW THEY FIT, I DON'T KNOW.
NOW, GO AND GET YOUR BROTHERS,
I'M GOING TO GET YOUR SISTERS.
AND I THOUGHT, HE'S NOT A TEACHER.
HE'S A PREACHER.
AND I THOUGHT ABOUT R.W. SCHAMBACH.
I SAID, MY GOD, YOU PREACH LIKE SCHAMBACH.
JUST SCREAMING.
BUT I NOTICE HE COULDN'T STAY AWAY FROM THE FATHER VERY LONG.
AND HE WOULD STOP AND HE'D TURN AND HE'D DO THIS.
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T STAY APART LONG ANYMORE.
SO HE WALKS BACK INTO THAT SMOKE.
THEY ARE THREE, BUT YET THEY'RE ONE.
THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
I AM THREE YET I'M ONE.
I HAVE A SPIRIT HOUSING THE SOUL IN THE BODY.
HE GOES BACK INTO THAT SMOKE.
SO HE LOSES THAT HUMAN FORM THAT YOU CAN HOLD,
AND HE'S GOD ALMIGHTY.
SEE, AND THAT'S WHEN I ASKED THAT,
I WAS TELLING YOUR MOM, I THINK IT WAS ON TABLE TALK
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ONE OF THE DUMBEST
AND STUPIDEST QUESTIONS I'VE ASKED,
I'M LAYING ON THE FLOOR, JUST ABOUT KNOCKED OUT,
AND I COULD SEE THE FATHER, I KNOW THAT IMAGE,
I COULD SEE THE SON, AND I ASKED THIS, I SAID,
I TALKED TO THE ANGEL, I SAID,
WHERE'S THE HOLY SPIRIT?
AND HE SAID, HE'S ON THE EARTH.
I SAID, OH, YEAH, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT.
[ CHUCKLES ]
I FELT SO STUPID, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT ONE DAY, SEE, RIGHT NOW, GOD IS NOT COMPLETE.
BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT'S HERE.
BUT ONE DAY, HE WILL BE COMPLETE.
GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON,
AND GOD THE HOLY GHOST.
AND THEN THE LORD CORRECTED ME.
THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
HE SAID, I'M NOT COMPLETE WHEN I'M GOD THE FATHER,
GOD THE SON, AND GOD THE HOLY GHOST.
I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
HE SAID, I'M COMPLETE WHEN HE'S GOD THE FATHER,
GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY GHOST AND MANKIND.
BECAUSE YOU'RE MADE IN MY IMAGE.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JESSE: AND WHERE DOES CHRIST LIVE?
CHRIST IN YOU.
REBECCA: HOPE OF GLORY.
JESSE: YEAH, RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S WHY HE'S SO ACCESSIBLE.
HE'S JUST RIGHT THERE, YOU'VE JUST GOT HIM,
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO HE'S NOT COMPLETE.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN SIT DOWN IN HIS PRESENCE.
I DON'T DOUBT IF YOUR THREE YEAR OLD OR THREE AND A HALF,
HE COMES IN AND HE SEES MAMA,
HE DON'T CARE IF WE'RE DOING THE SHOW.
HE COMES RUNNING TOWARDS YOU, RIGHT.
HE HAS A RIGHT.
YOU'RE MAMA.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
YOU MAY TRY, CATCH HIM, CATCH HIM BEFORE HE GETS HERE.
BUT THEN IF HE GETS TOO CLOSE,
YOU'RE GOING TO PICK HIM UP, SEE.
AND SAY, MAMA'S DOING SOMETHING OR DADDY'S DOING SOMETHING,
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
SO Y'ALL ARE NOT -- YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND ARE NOT COMPLETE
UNLESS YOU'VE GOT ALL YOUR CHILDREN.
REBECCA: MM-HM.
JESSE: BECAUSE YOU'RE MADE FROM EACH OTHER.
WELL, WE'VE BEEN MADE BY GOD.
NOW, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING.
SO WHY WOULD YOU HATE ANYBODY OF ANY COLOR,
NATIONALITY, OR CREED, WHEN GOD MADE THEM?
WELL, IF HE LOVES PEOPLE, I LOVE PEOPLE.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE NO COLOR, NATIONALITY, OR CREED.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THAT.
I JUST LOVE PEOPLE.
WHY?
BECAUSE THEY'RE PEOPLE.
IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT GOD IS: A FATHER AND HIS FAMILY.
JUST THAT SIMPLE.
DON'T COMPLICATE THAT IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS.
DON'T COMPLICATE IT.
IT'S SO SIMPLE.
I'VE SAID THIS, I BELIEVE, IN ALL THE OTHER SHOWS
I'VE EVER SAID: CHILDREN ARE BORN BELIEVERS
UNTIL YOU TEACH THEM TO DOUBT.
THEY KNOW NOTHING OF DOUBT.
REBECCA: NO, THEY DON'T.
JESSE: UNTIL YOU TEACH THEM.
SO DON'T.
I CAN STOP PREJUDICE TODAY,
EVERYBODY LISTEN TO ME, SHUT IT DOWN TODAY.
YOU READY?
LISTEN TO ME.
DON'T TELL YOUR CHILDREN THEY'RE WHITE.
DON'T TELL THEM THEY'RE BLACK.
DON'T TELL THEM THEY'RE BROWN.
DON'T TELL THEM THEY'RE YELLOW.
DON'T TELL THEM THEY'RE RED.
DON'T SAY ANY OF THAT.
THEY'RE PEOPLE.
YOU SEE.
THEY WON'T KNOW.
WE WANT ME TO PROVE IT TO YOU?
GO TO THE NURSERIES.
YOU SEE THESE CHILDREN PLAYING, HA,
AND SOME ARE BLACK, SOME ARE BROWN, SOME ARE RED.
THEY DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
THEY'RE FRIENDS.
THAT'S HOW EASY THAT IS.
YOU NEVER -- EVERYONE NEEDS TO LOSE THEIR COLOR,
BUT NOT THEIR CULTURE.
YOUR COLOR DON'T MAKE YOU WHO YOU ARE.
IT'S YOUR CULTURE THAT MAKES YOU WHO YOU ARE.
THAT'S WHY I JUST LOVE PEOPLE.
SO I DON'T SEE NO DIFFERENCE.
IT DON'T MAKE NO DIFFERENCE TO ME.
BECAUSE I LEARNED THAT FROM GOD.
THAT'S WHAT GOD DOES.
WELL, WHY DID HE DO IT THAT WAY?
OKAY, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THERE'S DIFFERENT COLORS
OF PEOPLE ON THE EARTH?
I GOT THIS IN THE CONVERSATION WITH GOD.
THERE'S FIVE COLORS OF DIRT ON THE EARTH.
THERE'S BLACK DIRT, BROWN DIRT, RED DIRT,
YELLOW DIRT, AND WHITE DIRT.
WHAT DID HE MAKE MAN OUT OF?
DIRT.
WHY ARE WE MAD?
WE'RE FIGHTING OVER DIRT.
IT'S DIRT.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
WE'RE JUST A SACK OF MUD.
AND GOD BROKE GROUND WHEN HE MADE ADAM.
DIRT.
THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOT THE DIFFERENT COLORS.
WHY DO YOU LIKE RED?
WHY DO YOU LIKE BLUE?
WHY DON'T YOU WEAR THE SAME COLOR ALL THE TIME?
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO.
OKAY.
FINE.
NOW, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SOMEBODY REAL MAD.
LET'S MIX THE COLORS.
OOH, NOW, WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT.
OH, YEAH, YOU CAN.
THAT'S HOW YOU GOT PURPLE.
SOMEBODY MIXED THE COLOR.
WELL, WHAT'S WRONG WITH PURPLE?
REBECCA: NOTHING.
JESSE: NOTHING.
THAT'S MY POINT.
THERE'S NOTHING.
WE'RE THE HUMAN RACE, MAN.
AND THIS COULD BE ALL SHUT DOWN SO EASILY.
AND THE SUCCESS OF IT IS GOD.
SO WHEN WE ALL GET TO HEAVEN,
ANYBODY IS GOING TO LIVE IN ANYBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD
WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.
[ LAUGHING ]
REBECCA: AMEN.
JESSE: SEE, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
IT DOESN'T.
REBECCA: I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
BECAUSE I LOVE ALL PEOPLE TOO.
I HATE ALL THIS FIGHTING.
JESSE: I CAN'T STAND IT.
REBECCA: I CAN'T, EITHER.
JESSE: I LIKE THOSE CHILDREN WHEN WE GO TO OUR CHURCH,
THEY COME RIGHT OUT OF THE NURSERY,
THEY GO, BROTHER JESSE.
AND SOME ARE BLACK, SOME ARE BROWN,
AND THEY JUST GRAB ME BY THE LEGS,
MAKE ME FEEL SO GOOD.
THEN I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY?
THEY DON'T SAY, BROTHER JESSE WHITE.
THEY DON'T SAY THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY?
BROTHER JESSE.
I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING FUNNY,
AND THEN I GUESS I'VE GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE,
I'VE BEEN PREACHING SO MUCH.
REBECCA: I KNOW, IT'S SO GOOD, THOUGH.
JESSE: KATHY IS THE SENIOR PASTOR OF COVENANT CHURCH.
NOW, SOME OF Y'ALL WILL GET MAD ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE WOMEN OUGHT TO PREACH.
YOU NEED TO COME TO NEW ORLEANS,
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME MANIFESTATION.
THEM WOMEN CAN FLAT PREACH THERE.
WELL, WATCH THIS.
THEY WERE IN A YOUTH MEETING,
AND KATHY HAD A YOUTH SPEAKER,
AND THERE'S SOME KIDS, WE HAVE A GIRL NAMED STEPHANIE,
HER GRANDCHILDREN GO TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.
A LOT OF MOST KIDS GO TO CATHOLIC SCHOOLS
IN SOUTH LOUISIANA, THERE'S JUST A BUNCH OF SCHOOLS.
ANYWAY, HIS NAME IS JACKSON.
OKAY.
WELL, THE SPEAKER WAS SAYING, TALKING ABOUT SIN.
NOW, Y'ALL SHOULDN'T BE SINNING.
AND THEN HE SAYS THIS: EVEN PASTOR KATHY SINS.
AND JACKSON, I FORGOT HOW OLD HE WAS,
HE'S PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
HE SAYS, PASTOR KATHY DOESN'T SIN.
THAT'S FATHER JESSE'S WIFE.
[ LAUGHING ]
HE CALLS ME FATHER JESSE.
BECAUSE HE GOES TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL.
AND I THOUGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
OKAY.
SO HE'LL SAY, FATHER JESSE, I SAID, BLESS YOU, MY SON.
[ LAUGHING ]
TO ME, THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE I AM A FATHER.
REBECCA: YEAH.
JESSE: I'M HIS FATHER RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
WE WENT TO OUR GRANDPARENTS ONE TIME
THING OUT OF THE SCHOOL, AND FOR MEREDITH,
I MADE UP MY MIND, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT,
GRANDPARENTS DAY, KATHY, I THINK IT WAS.
AW, I JUST LOVE ALL THAT STUFF.
I DIDN'T DO THAT WITH JODIE,
BUT JODIE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE I WAS TRAVELING SO MUCH.
AND I SAID, I'M NOT DOING THAT NO MORE.
SO ANYWAY, JODIE HAD A FRIEND,
AND HIS GRANDFATHER COULDN'T BE THERE.
AND I COULD SEE HE WAS DISAPPOINTED.
YOU COULD TELL.
CHILDREN WANT YOU TO BE THERE.
THEY NOTICE.
SO WE GOT IN THE ROOM.
THE TEACHER SAID, THIS IS MEREDITH'S GRANDFATHER,
JESSE DUPLANTIS.
I SAID, HELLO.
I'M MEREDITH'S GRANDFATHER.
AND I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF THE BOY,
WHATEVER HIS NAME WAS, SHE SAID,
AND WHERE'S YOUR GRANDFATHER?
AND BEFORE, AND HE WAS ABOUT, I COULD TELL,
AND I SAID, I'M HIS GRANDFATHER TODAY.
AND HE JUST LOOKED AT ME LIKE THAT.
AND I SAID, AND I'M A GOOD GRANDFATHER.
AND MEREDITH GOES, YES, HE IS.
[ CHUCKLES ]
AND IT MADE HIM FEEL SO GOOD.
I WAS ONLY A GRANDFATHER FOR A FEW MINUTES FOR HIM,
BUT I TOOK THE SADNESS AWAY.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS
HE'S GOT SOMEBODY THERE THAT LOVED HIM.
NOW, I'M NOT CRITICIZING HIS GRANDFATHER,
MAYBE SOMETHING HAPPENED, WHO KNOWS,
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT, YOU SEE,
THE GENTILES, WE DIDN'T HAVE A GRANDFATHER.
THE JEWS DID.
AND WE SHOWED UP.
AND GOD SAYS, WHO IS YOUR GRANDFATHER?
AND JESUS JUMPED IN AND SAID, FATHER,
I'M THEIR GRANDFATHER TODAY.
YOU SEE MY POINT?
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO?
THAT'S WHAT GOD DOES.
SO NONE OF YOU ARE EVER ALONE.
AM I TALKING TOO MUCH?
I'M SORRY.
REBECCA: NO, I LOVE IT.
THERE'S ONLY TWO MORE THINGS I WANT TO ASK YOU TO DO.
ONE, I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE,
IN THE THRONE ROOM, THE SPIRITS OR WHATEVER,
FLYING AROUND THOSE THRONES.
JESSE: THOSE ARE THE SERAPHIMS AND THE ARCHANGELS, YEAH.
REBECCA: NO, NO, THE ONES THAT SAID, MAKE ME,
THEY JUST SAID, MAKE ME TO...
JESSE: OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BABIES.
REBECCA: THE BABIES.
I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
JESSE: WHEN I SAW GOD, I WASN'T EXPECTING TO SEE THIS.
WHEN GOD THINKS, HE THINKS CHILDREN.
THAT'S IT.
A FATHER AND HIS FAMILY.
THEY THINK CHILDREN.
CHILDREN IS THE GREATEST MIRACLE THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
WATCH THIS.
LOOK AT ME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS,
THEY SEEM TO BE ABOUT THIS BIG.
THEY HAD LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET MAD,
SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO CRITICIZE.
THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO FLY.
AND THEY WOULD GET IN THE BREATH OF GOD.
AND I COULD HEAR THEIR VOICES SAYING,
WOULD YOU MAKE ME A SPIRIT?
SEE, THE LITTLE SOULS, THE MIND, THE WILL,
AND THE EMOTION, THAT'S A SOUL.
THAT'S GOD'S THOUGHTS.
WILL YOU MAKE ME A SPIRIT?
WOULD YOU MAKE ME A SPIRIT?
AND GOD WOULD DO THIS.
WHOO.
AND EVERY TIME GOD BREATHED,
LIFE COMES INTO EXISTENCE.
AND THEY WENT OUT AS A THOUGHT OF GOD AS A SOUL
IMPLANTED IN THE WOMB OF A WIFE,
AND BECAME A LIVING SPIRIT.
HE DON'T LOSE NO BABIES.
EVEN THE ABORTIONS OR THE MISCARRIAGES, ALL LIFE, UH-UH.
NOW, WATCH THIS.
WHEN SOMEONE DIES, GOD, LOOK AT ME IF YOU CAN SEE IT
AND ARE WATCHING IT, IS THIS CLOSE TO THAT PERSON'S MOUTH,
AND THEY DO THIS, THEIR LAST BREATH, AHH.
AND GOD RECEIVES THAT LIFE BACK INTO HIMSELF.
WHEN GOD -- WHEN JESUS, YOU SEE IN ST. JOHN,
HE SAYS, RECEIVE YE THE HOLY GHOST.
HE BREATHED UPON THEM.
BOOM.
THAT'S WHEN SALVATION TOOK OFF.
WATCH THIS.
ADAM IS LIKE A PIECE OF DIRT,
AND GOD BREATHED IN HIS NOSTRILS.
NOT IN HIS MOUTH, GUYS.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CPR.
WASN'T TRYING TO GET HIM TO BREATHE.
HE BREATHED SPIRIT LIFE IN HIM.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
THE FIRST PERSON GOD -- ADAM EVER SAW WAS GOD ALMIGHTY
FACE TO FACE.
AND I SAW THOSE -- THAT'S HOW BABIES COME.
HOW GOD SAID, THAT'S WHY HE SAID,
I KNEW YOU BEFORE THE WOMB,
BECAUSE THEY'RE UP THERE SAYING, LISTEN,
I WANT TO BE A SPIRIT.
THERE'S LITTLE ONES, THEY'RE THE, YOU KNOW,
KIDS WILL TELL YOU THEY WANT A COOKIE,
AND THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE YOU CRAZY UNTIL THEY GET IT.
[ LAUGHING ]
OKAY, BOY, TAKE THE WHOLE BOX.
WHATEVER.
DAD, I WANT TO BE A SPIRIT.
AND YOU KNOW WHY EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SPIRITS?
BECAUSE GOD IS SPIRIT.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE LIKE GOD.
GOD IS SPIRIT.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND WHEN I SAW THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS.
SO I DON'T LIKE ABORTION AND MISCARRIAGES.
BUT GOD, LET ME TELL YOU, IF YOU HAD A MISCARRIAGE,
YOU HAD AN ABORTION, WHATEVER,
WHEN YOU GET TO HEAVEN, THAT BABY WILL BE THERE.
PEOPLE WILL SAY, I ONLY HAVE TWO CHILDREN,
BUT I HAD TWO MISCARRIAGES.
ACTUALLY, YOU'VE GOT FOUR.
REBECCA: OH, WOW.
JESSE: OH, HE AIN'T LOSING THEM.
UH-UH.
AND THEN, BECAUSE OF THE TIME FACTORS,
YOU WILL PROBABLY RAISE THAT KID.
IT'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL.
YOU'VE GOT TO GO.
THAT'S ALL I TELL PEOPLE.
YOU'VE JUST GOT TO GO.
THAT'S WHAT AWAITS US.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO SHARE THAT,
BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SO MANY WOMEN THAT EITHER
HAVE ABORTED THEIR CHILDREN OR THEY'VE HAD MISCARRIAGES,
AND THEY MOURN OVER THAT LOSS.
JESSE: WHY IS IT A BABY WHEN YOU WANT IT
AND A FETUS WHEN YOU DON'T?
I HAD A WOMAN EAT MY LUNCH NOT TOO LONG AGO.
SHE SAID, I GUESS YOU'RE PRO-LIFE.
I SAID, YES, MA'AM.
WELL, I'M PRO-CHOICE.
I SAID, I'M GLAD YOUR MAMA WASN'T.
REBECCA: MM-HM.
JESSE: I SAID, BECAUSE IF SHE WAS,
WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TODAY.
SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
[ STUTTERS ]
I SAW A SIGN, ME AND KATHY SAW A SIGN AT A CHURCH,
AND IT SHOWED A BABY THAT SAID,
I'M NOT A CHOICE.
I'M A CHILD.
I'M NOT A CHOICE, I'M A CHILD.
NOW, I'M NOT HERE TO GET POLITICAL WITH YOU.
CAN I SAY THIS?
IT AIN'T NONE OF MY BUSINESS TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO
WITH YOUR BODY, TO CONTROL IT.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE LIFE THAT CAN'T TALK FOR ITSELF,
SOMEONE HAS TO TALK FOR IT.
THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
BUT WHEN YOU BECOME DESENSITIZED, YOU SEE,
WHAT IT'S REALLY NOT.
IT'S JUST A MASS OF CELLS.
NO.
THAT'S SPIRIT THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE YOU WANTED ME TO THROW OUT?
REBECCA: SO THE FINAL THING IS,
IS JUST YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOD'S CHILDREN,
JUST REMINDS ME OF THE VALUE OF PEOPLE
AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO THE LORD, AND I JUST WANT TO,
PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING OR LISTENING TO THIS
AND THEY'RE FEELING CONVICTED IN THEIR HEART,
I JUST WANT TO PRAY A SALVATION PRAYER FOR THOSE
WHO WANT TO COME IN, AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP.
JESSE: OKAY.
WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
JESUS IS NOT A RELIGION, HE'S A PERSON.
YOU CAN MEET HIM TODAY.
OR YOU MAY THINK, WELL, I'M SO BAD.
YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW BAD I AM.
YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW GOOD HE IS.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PRAY A PRAYER WITH ME.
IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
IT'S NOT LONG.
DON'T SAY IT BY YOUR HEAD.
SAY IT WITH YOUR HEART.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHO YOU ARE.
THE REAL YOU IS ON THE INSIDE.
YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT.
A LOT OF THE TIME, YOU CAN GET HURT PHYSICALLY
AND THAT WILL HEAL, BUT IF YOU GET HURT INSIDE,
SOMETIMES THAT NEVER HEALS.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE REAL YOU.
SO PRAY THIS WITH ME.
LORD JESUS, FORGIVE ME OF ALL MY SIN.
WASH IT AWAY.
I ACCEPT YOU TODAY AS MY LORD AND SAVIOR.
I REPENT OF ANY SIN I'VE DONE.
WASH ME CLEAN.
TODAY, I AM YOURS AND YOU ARE MINE.
I PRAY THIS PRAYER TO THE FATHER, IN JESUS' NAME.
WELCOME TO THE FAMILY.
IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.
WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, WHAT YOU'RE FEELING RIGHT THERE,
OOH, ISN'T THAT SOMETHING?
YEAH.
SEE, IT'S NOT RELIGION.
YOU JUST MET JESUS.
WELL, LET ME SAY THIS.
IF I DON'T GET TO MEET YOU HERE,
I'M GOING TO MEET YOU IN HEAVEN.
I'LL COME TO YOUR HOUSE.
I WILL INVITE MYSELF.
PRAISE GOD.
[ LAUGHING ]
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS TODAY.
REBECCA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND I JUST SO APPRECIATE YOU,
EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING,
AND WE HONOR YOU, AND WE'RE SO THANKFUL FOR YOU.
AND I HAVE WITH ME TWO OF YOUR NEWEST BOOKS,
I NEVER LEARNED TO DOUBT ANDTHE HIDDEN HELP .
OF COURSE, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED AND WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM YOU,
WHERE CAN THEY FIND YOU?
JESSE: THEY CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE, JDM.ORG,
IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT.
AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE ABC, CBS, NBC.
WE'RE ON DAYSTAR.
REBECCA: HEY.
JESSE: HEY, GLORY TO GOD.
SO IF YOU GO TO WATCH US ON TELEVISION,
WATCH US ON DAYSTAR.
WE'RE ON MANY DIFFERENT, WHATEVER.
OR YOU CAN GET US ON YOUTUBE,
ON ALL THE DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS,
THAT WE'RE ALL ON THAT STUFF.
AND IT'S JUST SUCH A BLESSING.
AND ONE DAY, I CAN'T TALK TO EVERYBODY,
BUT WHEN I GET TO HEAVEN AND GET THAT NEW BODY, THINK ABOUT THAT.
OH, MAN.
I'LL BE ABLE TO MEET EVERYONE BECAUSE THERE IS NO TIME.
THERE IS NO DARKNESS.
GOD IS LIGHT.
THERE'S ONE THING I WILL SAY,
AND THEN I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS.
I KEPT LOOKING BEHIND THE ANGEL THAT WAS CARRYING ME.
HE SAID, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
I SAID, I'M NOT CASTING A SHADOW.
WHY AM I NOT CASTING A SHADOW?
YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID?
GOD IS LIGHT.
THERE'S NO SHADOWS HERE.
GOD IS LIGHT IN WHOM THERE'S NO DARKNESS.
NO SHADOW OF TURNING.
IF YOU LOOK IN THIS STUDIO, WE SEE DARKNESS.
RIGHT.
BUT THEM LIGHTS RIGHT THERE ARE KEEPING THE DARKNESS OUT.
YOU CUT THEM LIGHTS OUT, IT GETS DARK IN HERE.
REBECCA: UH-HUH.
JESSE: BUT THAT LITTLE BIT,
LOOK HOW MUCH BIGGER THE DARKNESS IS.
BUT LOOK HOW SMALL THE LIGHT IS TO KEEP IT OUT.
AND ALL YOU'VE GOT TO DO IS MEET THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD,
AND YOU JUST DID.
NOW, LET HIM SHINE.
AND DARKNESS WILL NEVER BE APART OF YOUR LIFE AGAIN.
I PROMISE YOU.
I WOULDN'T LIE TO YOU.
IT STARTS TODAY, AND IT'S STARTED TODAY.
THANK YOU.
REBECCA: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, PASTOR JESSE.
I STILL HAVE TO CALL YOU PASTOR JESSE.
EVERYONE WHO'S LISTENING, THOSE WHO PRAYED THAT PRAYER,
WELCOME TO THE FAMILY.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING.
AND LONG FOR HIS APPEARING BECAUSE JESUS TOLD JESSE
HIMSELF, HE'S COMING BACK SOON.
JESSE: HE'S COMING.
REBECCA: THANKS FOR LISTENING TODAY, GUYS.
BYE FOR TODAY.