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REBECCA LAMB WEISS: HEY, GUYS.
WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER EPISODE OFON AIR WITH REBECCA.
NOW, I'M REALLY EXCITED TODAY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN
FOLLOWING THIS GUEST FOR QUITE SOME TIME,
SO I'M EXCITED TO FINALLY TAKE A SITDOWN AND TALK WITH HIM.
I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE SUCH A SPIRIT-LED CONVERSATION.
HE'S AN AUTHOR, A SPEAKER, AND A PASTOR OF
GRACE & PEACE GLOBAL FELLOWSHIP IN TAMPA, FLORIDA,
AND GOD HAS BEEN GIVING HIM VISIONS AND DREAMS FOR YEARS.
HE'S NOT AFRAID TO TELL THE TRUTH AND HE HAS A
TIMELY WORD, A NEW BOOK COMING OUT CALLED
OVERCOMING FAMILIAR SPIRITS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND SO MUCH MORE.
SO DR. BRIDGES?
DR. KYNAN BRIDGES: YES, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
REBECCA: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. OKAY.
DR. BRIDGES: THANKS FOR HAVING ME, I APPRECIATE THIS.
REBECCA: SO LET'S START OFF WITH,
WE WERE TALKING BEHIND THE SCENES ABOUT THIS BOOK AND
I WAS ASKING YOU, OKAY, WHY WAS THIS A WORD FOR NOW?
SO TELL US WHAT GOD SHOWED YOU AND WHAT LED YOU TO
WRITING THIS BOOK?
DR. BRIDGES: SO IT'S AN INTERESTING STORY.
A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S AN ATTORNEY,
HE'S A PARTNER AT A LAW FIRM,
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT WE WERE
LOOKING AT FOR MINISTRY IN FLORIDA.
AND IT PROBABLY WAS OWNED BY AN ASSEMBLIES OF GOD
CHURCH AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEBT,
THEY BUILT IT FROM THE GROUND UP.
SO THEY NEVER TOOK OUT A BANK LOAN OR ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S ALL THE PROPERTY'S FREE AND CLEAR,
WE CAN DO A CONTRACT.
HE SAYS, WELL, YOU NEED TO DO A TITLE SEARCH.
AND I SAID, OKAY.
HE SAYS, BECAUSE A PROPERTY CAN BE PAID IN
FULL BUT STILL HAVE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.
I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
HE SAYS, WELL, HE SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE,
THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED A MECHANIC'S LIEN,
WHICH IS BASICALLY, OR A MECHANICAL LIEN IS ANOTHER
WAY TO DESCRIBE IT, IF SOMEBODY DOES WORK ON A
HOUSE OR THEY DO A RENOVATE YOUR ROOF OR DO
SOMETHING MAJOR AND YOU DON'T PAY THEM,
THEY CAN ACTUALLY PUT A LIEN ON YOUR HOME SO WHEN
YOU TRY TO SELL IT, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT HAS A
CLAIM AGAINST THE HOME.
A LIEN IS A LEGAL CLAIM AGAINST PROPERTY.
AND I SAID, WOW, THAT'S REALLY DEEP.
AND AFTER HE TALKED WITH ME, I WILL NEVER FORGET,
I WAS SITTING IN A HOTEL ROOM IN HOUSTON,
I BELIEVE, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID,
MANY OF MY PEOPLE HAVE DEMONIC LIENS AGAINST
THEIR LIFE AND DESTINY, AND THIS IS WHAT IS
HINDERING THEM FROM SEEING THE PURPOSE OF GOD MANIFEST.
THEY LOVE GOD, THEY LOVE THE LORD,
THEY LOVE MINISTRY, AND THEY'RE SAVED.
BUT THE HOUSE CAN BE PAID IN FULL AND STILL HAVE A
CLAIM AGAINST IT.
AND HE SAYS, SO I WANT YOU TO HELP MY PEOPLE
DISCHARGE THESE SPIRITUAL LIENS OR THESE CLAIMS
AGAINST THEM THAT ARE KEEPING THEM IN BONDAGE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I WROTE THE BOOK.
REBECCA: SO IT'S SO INTERESTING THAT YOU SAY
THIS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT ON THIS SHOW IS SPIRITUAL WARFARE,
AND IT'S BECAUSE GROWING UP,
I WANTED TO AVOID THAT TOPIC BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF
I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE DEVIL,
DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE DEMONS, THAT I WOULDN'T GET BOTHERED.
DR. BRIDGES: HELLO.
[ CHUCKLES ]
REBECCA: THAT'S NOT TRUE.
IF YOU WALK IN THE CALLING AND DESTINY OF GOD,
THE DEVIL IS GOING TO ATTACK YOU.
THE DEVIL WANTS TO DESTROY EVERYONE.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE OBEDIENT TO
THE LORD, HE'S GOING TO GO AFTER YOU,
AND IT TOOK ME GOING THROUGH A SEASON OF GOING
THROUGH A LOT OF SPIRITUAL ATTACK LEARNING FOR THE
FIRST TIME SPIRITUAL AUTHORITY IN CHRIST AND
ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND SO NOW I DO LIKE TALKING ABOUT SPIRITUAL
WARFARE BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAYBE
DEALING WITH SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE
SPIRITUAL ASPECT OF IT.
AND I THINK THIS IS A HUGE TOPIC WHERE THEY CAN BE
DEALING WITH FAMILIAR SPIRITS,
THESE CLAIMS ON THEIR LIFE,
AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT,
THEY CAN TRY TO GO FORWARD AND FORWARD AND FORWARD,
BUT IT'S LIKE THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THESE
DEMONS HAVE A CLAIM.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS WHEN YOU
TALK ABOUT THIS.
ONE IS THE LAW OF PERMISSION,
WHICH I TALK ABOUT IN THIS BOOK.
THE DEMONIC WORLD ALWAYS NEEDS PERMISSION.
IT NEEDS AN INVITATION.
IT CAN'T -- DEMONS DON'T JUST SHOW UP BECAUSE THEY SHOW UP.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME FORM OF AGREEMENT WITH A
DEMONIC POWER TO GIVE THE ENEMY ACCESS TO US.
AND THAT'S WHY AMOS TELLS US,
HOW CAN TWO WALK TOGETHER, EXCEPT THEY BE AGREED?
WE SEE ALL OF THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS WHOLE
GENERATIONAL DYNAMIC, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THE SPIRITUAL WORLD IS NOT LIKE THIS PLACE.
WELL, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THIS IS NOT FAIR, RIGHT.
WELL, IT'S NOT FAIR.
THE SPIRITUAL WORLD IS NOT FAIR.
YOU CAN FIGHT DEMONS THAT YOU DID NOT INVITE.
SOMEBODY ELSE INVITED THEM IN.
BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE CONNECTED TO THAT PERSON
OR CONNECTED TO THAT BLOODLINE OR CONNECTED TO
THAT FAMILY, IT CAN AFFECT YOU.
AND SO THIS IS WHY PAUL SAYS IN HIS EPISTLE,
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN CORINTHIANS, HE SAYS,
I WILL NOT HAVE YOU IGNORANT OF THE ENEMY'S DEVICES.
HE HAS THINGS THAT HE DOES AND THINGS THAT HE WEIGHS
AND HE OPERATES.
AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT SAMUEL, RIGHT,
SAMUEL ANOINTS KING SAUL AND HE TELLS HIM ONE OF
HIS FIRST ASSIGNMENTS IS TO GO KILL AGAG AND THE AMALEKITES.
AGAG WAS A KING OF THE AMALEKITES.
GOD TOLD HIM TO KILL MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN.
REBECCA: GET RID OF EVERYONE.
DR. BRIDGES: KILL EVERYBODY.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE WILL CONSIDER THAT GENOCIDE.
REBECCA: YEAH, WIPE THEM ALL OUT.
DR. BRIDGES: WIPE THEM ALL OUT.
SO WHEN HE GETS THERE, THEY KILL A FEW OF THEM,
AND HE KEEPS THE BEST OF THE LIVESTOCK,
AND HE SPARES AGAG AND PROBABLY HIS FAMILY.
AND SO HE COMES AND SAMUEL REBUKES HIM AND SAYS,
YOU DID NOT DO THE WORD OF THE LORD.
AND HE LIED, WELL, I DID PERFORM THE WORD OF THE LORD.
AND YOU READ THE STORY, YOU SAY, WELL,
WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?
I MAY HAVE NOT WANTED TO KILL THE PEOPLE, EITHER.
YOU READ THE STORY.
BUT THERE'S A SPIRITUAL IMPLICATION IN THE STORY
BECAUSE HUNDREDS OF YEARS LATER,
SEVERAL GENERATIONS DOWN THE LINE,
ISRAEL IS NO LONGER, THE JEWS ARE NO LONGER IN
ISRAEL, THEY'RE IN THE PERSIAN EMPIRE, RIGHT.
AND THERE IS.
REBECCA: UNDER CAPTIVITY.
DR. BRIDGES: UNDER CAPTIVITY.
AND NOW THERE'S A MAN NAMED HAMAN, AND HAMAN,
IF YOU READ THE BOOK OF ESTHER,
THE FIRST TIME HE'S MENTIONED,
HE'S REFERRED TO AS AN AGAGITE.
HE'S A DESCENDENT OF KING AGAG, RIGHT.
REBECCA: OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS.
DR. BRIDGES: HE'S AN AGAGITE.
HE'S A DESCENDENT OF KING AGAG.
AND HE SEES MORDECAI, RIGHT.
AND THE BIBLE SAYS, MORDECAI REFUSED TO BOW TO
HIM, AND FROM THAT DAY FORWARD, HAMAN SAYS,
I'M GOING TO WIPE OUT THE ENTIRE RACE OF JEWS,
I'M GOING TO COMMIT A HOLOCAUST.
SO WHAT DO WE SEE HERE?
EVEN THOUGH THIS IS HUNDREDS OF GENERATIONS
LATER, THE SPIRIT OF AGAG WAS STILL TRYING TO
DESTROY THE JEWS THROUGH ONE OF HIS DESCENDENTS, YOU SEE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE CALL A GENERATIONAL INIQUITOUS
PATTERN OR GENERATIONAL ATTACHMENT TO A FAMILIAR SPIRIT.
SO THEY WEREN'T JUST FIGHTING ONE PERSON.
IT WAS A SPIRITUAL BATTLE, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
THE SAME THING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ABORTION.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ABORTION, FOR EXAMPLE,
WHY ARE WE SO VOCAL AGAINST ABORTION?
WELL, BECAUSE ABORTION IS NOT ABOUT JUST CHOICE.
IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF CHOICE.
THERE WAS A GOD WORSHIPED IN THE ANCIENT WORLD
CALLED MOLECH, AND ONE OF THE WAYS THEY VENERATED
MOLECH IS BY SACRIFICING CHILDREN ON THE ALTAR, RIGHT.
SO WHEN YOU DO THESE EGREGIOUS ACTS,
YOU INVITE DEMONIC POWERS INTO COMMUNITIES.
THESE ARE FAMILIAR SPIRITS.
WHEN YOU HAVE AN ABORTION CLINIC IN AN URBAN
NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOK AT THE CRIME IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOK AT THE ATROCITIES THAT HAPPEN.
WELL, THOSE THINGS ARE NOT JUST HAPPENING BECAUSE
IT'S A BLACK OR LATINO COMMUNITY.
IT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE OF SPIRITUAL LAWS.
THOSE ALTARS THAT ARE BEING ERECTED IN THOSE
COMMUNITIES ARE INVITING DEMONIC POWERS.
AND SO ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE FIGHT THOSE
DEMONIC POWERS IS NOT JUST BY GOING IN THERE AND
PRAYING, WE HAVE TO DESTROY THE ALTARS.
WE HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE HIGH PLACES.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I MEAN.
SOMETIMES WE'RE FACING THINGS WE DIDN'T
NECESSARILY INVITE, BUT SOMEONE INVITED THEM.
IT COULD BE IN OUR BLOODLINE,
IT COULD BE IN OUR FAMILY.
IMAGINE A WIFE WHO HAS A HUSBAND WHO WATCHES PORNOGRAPHY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
DR. BRIDGES: SO SHE'S NOT WATCHING PORNOGRAPHY,
BUT GUESS WHAT?
BECAUSE HE'S THE SPIRITUAL HEAD OF THE HOME,
THOSE SPIRITS CAN STILL ENTER THE HOUSE,
EVEN THOUGH SHE DOESN'T WANT THEM THERE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
DR. BRIDGES: SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT
I'M TALKING ABOUT.
REBECCA: YEAH, AND ALSO IT CAN TRAVEL THROUGH THE
FAMILY LINE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS, I KNOW IT TALKS ABOUT --
MOSES TALKS ABOUT THIS I THINK IN THE BOOK OF
DEUTERONOMY, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HOW GOD WANTS
TO BLESS AND HE'LL BLESS HUNDREDS,
I THINK ALMOST A THOUSAND.
BUT THERE IS A CURSE I THINK THREE TO FOUR GENERATIONS.
BECAUSE IF GOD, IT'S A PRINCIPLE THING.
IF GOD CAN BLESS, THERE'S ALSO CHOICE FOR THOSE WHO
DON'T OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND THEY CAN CURSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS ACTUALLY DEREK PRINCE TALKED ABOUT
IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON THINGS HE WOULD SEE IS THE
FIRST COMMANDMENT IS, YOU'LL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BESIDE ME.
NOT JUST BEFORE ME BUT BESIDE.
AND HE WOULD TALK ABOUT IF ANYONE WOULD EVER ENGAGE
IN THE OCCULT; IF THEY WOULD SEE A PSYCHIC,
IF THEY WOULD GET A PALM READING,
IF THEY WOULD ENGAGE IN, WHAT IS IT WITH THE
ZODIAC, YOUR HOROSCOPE, WHICH IS A FALSE PROPHECY,
HE SAID THAT INVITES -- YOU'RE BREAKING THAT
COMMANDMENT AND YOU'RE OPENING A DOOR BECAUSE
YOU'RE INVITING A DEMONIC SPIRIT IN,
BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL BELIEVE IN GOD,
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO A FALSE GOD FOR ANSWERS.
DR. BRIDGES: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO THAT CAN GO THROUGH THE GENERATIONS.
SO YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE ENGAGED IN ANY KIND OF
WITCHCRAFT, BUT YOU COULD HAVE HAD A PARENT, A GRANDPARENT.
AND SO THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT COULD BE IN YOUR LINE.
AND HE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT FOR HIMSELF
PERSONALLY THERE WAS A SPIRIT OF DEPRESSION.
DR. BRIDGES: MM.
REBECCA: AND THE HOLY SPIRIT HAD TO SHOW HIM
BECAUSE HE WAS DEALING WITH DEPRESSION.
AND IT WAS A FAMILIAR SPIRIT,
IT HAD AFFECTED HIS FATHER,
AND HE HAD TO TAKE AUTHORITY OVER THAT.
SO LEADING UP TO MY QUESTION,
WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S IN OUR FAMILY LINES.
SO HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT IF THERE IS A FAMILIAR SPIRIT
AND HOW DO WE DEAL WITH IT?
DR. BRIDGES: YEAH.
SO I TALK ABOUT, IN SOME OF THIS,
I TALK ABOUT THE DIAGNOSTICS, RIGHT,
FOR HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THAT A DEMONIC POWER IS PRESENT.
WELL, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT DEMONS BRING, OKAY.
NUMBER ONE, THEY BRING BONDAGE, OKAY.
SO WHEREVER THERE'S BONDAGE, THE BIBLE SAYS,
WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS, THERE IS LIBERTY.
SO THAT'S THE ANTITHESIS TO BONDAGE, RIGHT?
SO WHEN WE FIND AREAS IN OUR LIVES WHERE THERE IS
PERSISTENT BONDAGE OR AFFLICTION,
WHETHER IT BE DEPRESSION, WHETHER IT BE FEAR,
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE ANXIETY ATTACKS, THINGS LIKE THIS.
THOSE ARE OFTEN INDICATORS THAT THERE'S A DEMONIC POWER PRESENT.
THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS IF I CAN'T SHAKE THIS THING.
REBECCA: MM-HM.
LIKE STRUGGLING WITH SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR.
DR. BRIDGES: IT'S JUST AN ONGOING STRUGGLE,
IT KEEPS GOING ON AND ON AND ON.
YOU'VE PRAYED ABOUT IT, YOU GO TO CONFERENCES,
YOU'VE READ THE BIBLE, YOU LOVE THE LORD.
BUT THIS THING JUST KEEPS REARING ITS UGLY HEAD.
A LOT OF TIMES, THAT CAN BE EVIDENCE OF THERE'S A
DEMONIC LIEN WORKING IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION.
AND SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE RIGHT DIAGNOSTIC.
AND I THINK ULTIMATELY WHEN WE SEE ILL FAVOR,
CALAMITY, RIGHT, PREMATURE DEATH,
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE INDICATIVE THAT
THERE'S SOMETHING SPIRITUAL WORKING. YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO YOU ACTUALLY FACED A LOT OF
PUSHBACK, A LOT OF WARFARE WHEN YOU WROTE THIS BOOK
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH I THINK AREN'T
TALKING ABOUT SPIRITUAL WARFARE,
AND YET I THINK IT'S A HUGE ISSUE.
I THINK A LOT OF BELIEVERS ARE STRUGGLING.
AND I THINK EVEN OUR CONCEPT OF DEMONIC
SPIRITS, THEM OPERATING IN OUR LIVES,
I DON'T EVEN THINK, ALL WE KNOW IS HOLLYWOOD'S
VERSION OFTHE EXORCIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT USUALLY LIKE THAT AT ALL.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: AND I REMEMBER TALKING TO A COUNSELOR
FRIEND OF MINE WHO GREW UP IN ZIMBABWE,
AND SO HE HAD EXPERIENCED A LOT OF WITCHCRAFT AND HE
WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO GIVE ME A LOT OF INSIGHT ON IT
AND HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, IT'S NOT ABOUT NECESSARILY
IN OR OUT WITH DEMONS, BECAUSE HE WOULD COUNSEL
PEOPLE AND HE WOULD HAVE TO CAST DEMONS OUT OF PEOPLE.
THEY WOULD COME IN FOR AN ISSUE AND SOMETIMES IT
WASN'T MENTAL, IT WAS SOMETHING SPIRITUAL.
AND HE SAID, IT'S ABOUT INFLUENCE IN YOUR LIFE.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: SO YOU CAN BE A CHRISTIAN,
YOU CAN BE LIVING YOUR LIFE FOR THE LORD,
YOU CAN EVEN BE SPIRIT-FILLED.
DR. BRIDGES: RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND THEY CAN HAVE INFLUENCE OVER THIS
ONE AREA OF YOUR LIFE.
WHAT OTHER WAYS CAN SOMEONE GIVE PERMISSION TO
ALLOW A DEMONIC SPIRIT TO ENTER?
DR. BRIDGES: SO THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING IS THE BIG
DEBATE IN THE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS BEEN,
CAN A CHRISTIAN HAVE A DEMON?
NO, I'VE GOT THE HOLY GHOST,
I CAN'T HAVE THE DEMON.
BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE BIBLE IS ACTUALLY SAYING.
WHEN WE READ THE KING JAMES IN PARTICULAR USES
THE WORD "POSSESSED".
BUT A LOT OF TIMES, THAT WORD "POSSESS" IS A MISTRANSLATION.
THE WORD IS ACTUALLY TO BE DEMONIZED.
REBECCA: YES, THAT WAS THE WORD THAT HE USED.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY, TO BE DEMONIZED.
AND THAT WORD, "DEMONIZE", IT COMES FROM A GREEK WORD.
IT MEANS TO BE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A DEMONIC POWER.
NOW, I TELL PEOPLE THIS.
YOU CAN DRINK ALCOHOL, RIGHT,
AND BE UNDER ITS INFLUENCE.
YOU DON'T BECOME THE ALCOHOL,
THE ALCOHOL IS IN YOU, IT'S INFLUENCING YOU.
WE SEPARATE OURSELVES FROM THE ALCOHOL, RIGHT.
SO SAME THING WITH A DEMONIC POWER.
YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO SEPARATE THE INFLUENCE
FROM THE PERSON, RIGHT.
JUST BECAUSE I'M FEELING THESE THINGS OR I'M BEING
AFFECTED BY THESE THINGS, THAT'S NOT MY IDENTITY,
THAT'S NOT WHO I AM.
REBECCA: MM-HM.
DR. BRIDGES: HERE'S HOW A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
WHEN WE COME INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE DEMONIC POWER, RIGHT.
SO THE ENEMY MAY BRING THE SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW WHAT,
I'M NOT -- NOBODY LIKES YOU. RIGHT.
AND THIS THOUGHT COMES TO YOUR HEAD.
AND INSTEAD OF CASTING IT DOWN, YOU SAY,
YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S KIND OF TRUE,
BECAUSE I WENT OUT THE OTHER DAY AND NOBODY WOULD
SAY ANYTHING TO ME.
WOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, NOBODY DOES LIKE ME,
I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT, NO MATTER.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT NOW YOU'RE COMING
UNDER DEMONIC INFLUENCE.
REBECCA: WOW.
DR. BRIDGES: NOW A SPIRIT OF REJECTION IS
COMING IN, NOW A SPIRIT OF DEPRESSION IS COMING IN,
AND NOW YOU'VE OPENED THE DOOR TO THAT POWER,
AND THEN IT BECOMES MORE PERVASIVE.
NOW YOU FIND YOURSELF, YOU CAN'T BREAK FREE FROM
THESE THOUGHT PATTERNS, YOU SEE.
SO THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS.
THE ENEMY MAKES A SUGGESTION,
BUT HE NEEDS YOUR AGREEMENT FOR THAT SUGGESTION TO MANIFEST.
AND THAT'S REALLY HOW IT WORKS.
FOR MANY YEARS, I DEALT WITH A SPIRIT OF REJECTION.
REBECCA: YEAH.
DR. BRIDGES: I WAS THE YOUNGEST.
BABY.
MY MOTHER GOT SICK WHEN I WAS YOUNGER AND MOVED OUT
OF THE HOUSE.
MY FATHER WORKED ALL THE TIME.
AND I WAS ALWAYS THERE.
AND THE DEVIL WOULD MINISTER TO ME AND TELL
ME, YOU KNOW WHAT, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE YOU.
AND ONE DAY I WAS PRAYING, BECAUSE I WOULD ALWAYS
TELL PEOPLE, GIRLS DIDN'T LIKE ME AND NOBODY LIKED ME.
AND THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID, THAT'S A LIE.
I WAS LIKE, HUH?
HE SAID, THAT'S A LIE.
HE SAID, WHO TOLD YOU THAT?
THAT DIDN'T COME FROM ME.
THEN HE TOOK ME, ALMOST LIKE A CAMERA REEL,
THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, AND HE SHOWED ME AT EVERY TURN
THERE WAS SOMEONE THERE GOD USED TO SHOW ME LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? JUST ALL THROUGHOUT MY LIFE,
HE SHOWED ME DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
HE SAID, YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVED A LIE.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT LIE HAD POWER OVER YOU.
SO ONE OF THE WAYS WE BREAK FREE FROM THE ENEMY
IS JOHN 8:32, AND YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH,
AND THE TRUTH MAKES YOU FREE.
SO YOU'VE GOT TO FALL OUT OF AGREEMENT WITH THE LIE.
THAT'S NOT TRUE, THAT'S NOT WHO I AM.
YEAH, DEMON, MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER MAY HAVE
INVITED YOU WITH THAT SPIRIT OF SUICIDE,
BUT THERE'S A NEW OWNER IN TOWN.
THERE'S A NEW CUSTODIAN OF THIS HOUSE,
AND YOU DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO LIVE HERE.
[ CHUCKLES ] GREAT GRANDMA MAY HAVE INVITED YOU,
BUT I'M THE CUSTODIAN NOW, AND YOU CAN'T COME INTO THIS TEMPLE.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR STAND.
REBECCA: SEE, YOU BRING UP SUCH A GOOD POINT WHERE
THE DEVIL CAN SPEAK TO US.
DR. BRIDGES: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND AS BELIEVERS,
WE HAVE TO GET FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WE
HAVE TO KNOW GOD'S VOICE.
DR. BRIDGES: THERE YOU GO.
REBECCA: WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND OUR VOICE,
WHETHER IT'S OUR OWN HEAD TALKING TO US,
AND THEN THE ENEMY'S VOICE.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: AND I REMEMBER BEING SEVEN,
AND I DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL I WAS AN ADULT,
BUT I REMEMBER BEING SEVEN YEARS OLD AND THERE WAS A
SPIRIT TELLING ME, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO HELL AND
TRYING TO -- FEAR FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE TRYING TO
CREEP IN AND GET ME AFRAID.
AND I REMEMBER TELLING MY MOM,
I JUST KEEP HEARING THAT I'M GOING TO GO TO HELL,
I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO HEAVEN.
AND NOW I CAN LOOK BACK ON THAT AND UNDERSTAND, OH,
THAT WAS A DEMONIC ATTACK TO PUT FEAR IN MY LIFE SO
THAT I WOULD FOLLOW A SPIRIT OF FEAR AND NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
BUT I FEEL LIKE THE KEY THERE IS HAVING A
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT
BECAUSE HE CAN SPEAK TO THOSE LIES,
HE CAN SHOW US THE TRUTH, AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT.
AND THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT,
BECAUSE THAT WAS THROUGH A HURT,
WAS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS NOT TO GET OFFENDED AND TO
FALL INTO UNFORGIVENESS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A
VERY COMMON WAY PEOPLE GET DEMONIC STRONGHOLDS
IN THEIR LIFE.
DR. BRIDGES: ABSOLUTELY.
REBECCA: BECAUSE THEY GET REALLY HURT,
IT'S A REAL THING, IT'S REAL FEELINGS,
IT'S NOT TO UNDERMINE HOW THEY FEEL,
BUT THEN THEY DON'T WANT TO LET IT GO.
DR. BRIDGES: YEAH.
ROMANS 16 REFERS TO OFFENSE AS THE BAIT OF SATAN.
IT'S THE WORD FOR OFFENSE COMES FROM THE GREEK WORDSKANDALON.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE WAY THE ENEMY GETS US
CAUGHT IN ASKANDALONOR A SCANDAL IS WHEN HE LURES US
WITH OFFENSE.
IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S LIKE A TRAP, RIGHT.
AND THE TRAP LEADS TO DEMONIZATION,
AND IN SOME INSTANCES, DEATH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GUARD OUR HEART.
IF YOU STUDY MATTHEW 18, JESUS TELLS THE PARABLE OF
THE SERVANTS, ONE WAS FORGIVEN,
THE OTHER ONE LEFT AND TRIED TO COLLECT A DEBT
FROM HIS FELLOW SERVANT.
AND THERE'S A VERSE THERE IN MATTHEW 18, IT SAYS,
AND THE LORD WAS WROTH WITH THE SERVANT,
OR ANGRY WITH THE SERVANT, AND THREW HIM INTO PRISON
AND DELIVERED HIM TO THE TORMENTORS.
AND HE WAS NOT RELEASED UNTIL HE PAID THE DEBT.
SO THOSE TORMENTORS ARE THOSE FAMILIAR SPIRITS.
WHEN WE VIOLATE THE SPIRITUAL LAW OF LOVE,
RIGHT, AND WE OPERATE IN HATRED,
JOHN TELLS US THAT WHOEVER HATES HIS BROTHER WALKS IN
DARKNESS AND DOESN'T KNOW WHERE HE STUMBLES, YOU SEE.
THAT DARKNESS IS WHEN WE OPEN UP OUR LIVES TO
THOSE DEMONIC POWERS.
THAT'S WHAT I TELL PEOPLE.
ONE OF THE BEST THINGS YOU CAN DO TO GET DELIVERED IS
JUST FORGIVE EVERYBODY.
REBECCA: YEAH.
DR. BRIDGES: I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS.
FORGIVE THE GUY THAT SLAPPED YOU WHEN YOU WERE ON THE
PLAYGROUND AT THREE YEARS OLD,
FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT STOLE YOUR TWINKIE WHEN
YOU WERE JUST -- JUST FORGIVE EVERYBODY.
AND IT'S A SIMPLE PRAYER THAT I PRAY, I SAY, LORD,
I FORGIVE ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVE SINNED AGAINST ME OR WRONGED ME.
I FREELY FORGIVE THEM AS AN ACT OF MY OWN WILL AND VOLITION.
AS I WOULD HAVE YOU TO FORGIVE ME,
I FORGIVE THEM NOW.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEEPS US CLEAR
OF THESE LIENS, THESE CHARGES AGAINST US IN
THE SPIRITUAL REALM.
WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR LIVES CLEAN FROM ANY DEBTS.
THAT'S WHY THE BIBLE SAYS, WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTS,
RIGHT, FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT,
I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE,
BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT DEMONIZATION,
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST DEMONIC STRONGHOLDS IN THE
CHURCH IS OFFENSE RIGHT NOW.
REBECCA: YEAH.
DR. BRIDGES: PEOPLE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE OFFENSE
IS A SPIRITUAL GIFT.
IT'S LIKE PEOPLE JUST.
REBECCA: IT'S SO COMMON.
DR. BRIDGES: IT'S SO COMMON.
REBECCA: AND IT BLINDS PEOPLE.
DR. BRIDGES: OH, MY GOD.
REBECCA: GIFTED PEOPLE, SEASONED PEOPLE.
DR. BRIDGES: OH, MAN.
I'M TELLING YOU, AS A PASTOR, I'VE SEEN IT.
I'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
AND WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME IS THAT THE PERSON WILL
CONFLATE THE VOICE OF OFFENSE FOR THE VOICE OF GOD.
REBECCA: I KNOW.
I'VE SEEN IT.
DR. BRIDGES: AND THEY WILL HEAR THIS INSTRUCTION
AND IT WILL BE TOTALLY COMING FROM THE DEMONIC.
BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE OFFENDED,
THEY CAN NO LONGER DISTINGUISH GOD'S VOICE.
REBECCA: OH, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO FORGIVE.
THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE UNDER THE INFLUENCE,
AND THIS CAN ACTUALLY HELP GIVE CLARITY TO DIFFERENT
SITUATIONS YOU'RE IN, BUT THE DEVIL CAN ATTACK YOU
IN ONE WAY BY DEMONS WHO ARE COMING AND SPEAKING TO
YOU, BUT ANOTHER WAY THE DEVIL ATTACKS PEOPLE,
AND I THINK HE LOVES TO USE THIS ATTACK BECAUSE
IT'S MORE PERSONAL, IS HE WILL HAVE INFLUENCE OVER
DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE AND THEY WILL COME TO
YOU AND THEY'LL SLANDER YOU OR THEY'LL SAY LIKE
CUTTING THINGS TO YOU.
DR. BRIDGES: OH, YEAH.
REBECCA: AND I REMEMBER DEALING WITH THIS WITH
SOMEONE AND GOD SPEAKING TO ME AND SAYING ABOUT
THIS INDIVIDUAL, THE DEVIL'S USING THIS PERSON
AS A MOUTHPIECE.
DR. BRIDGES: THAT'S GOOD.
REBECCA: BECAUSE I WAS TAKING IT PERSONALLY
BECAUSE I ONLY SAW THE PERSON,
AND GOD CLARIFIED IN THE SITUATION, NO,
THE DEVIL'S USING THIS PERSON AS A MOUTHPIECE.
AND YOU THINK ABOUT JESUS TELLING PETER,
GET BEHIND ME, SATAN IN THAT MOMENT.
THE DEVIL EVEN USED PETER TO TRY TO SPEAK SOMETHING
TO JESUS THAT WAS A LIE.
AND SO ONE THING I WANT TO TELL PEOPLE IS,
YOU NEED TO ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT,
BUT IT'S TO GIVE INSIGHT THAT EVEN THE DEVIL CAN
USE PEOPLE IN OUR LIFE TO, AND THEN IT'S MORE HURTFUL
BECAUSE IT'S IN A PERSON, BUT IT'S NOT THAT PERSON,
IT'S THAT INFLUENCE OVER THAT PERSON.
AND SO PEOPLE WHO SLANDER YOU,
PEOPLE WHO SAY CUTTING THINGS,
PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP THAT ARE VERY CONTROLLING,
THAT CAN BE A SPIRIT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CONTROL YOU.
AND ALSO A RELIGIOUS SPIRIT.
DR. BRIDGES: OH, BOY.
REBECCA: THAT'S VERY COMMON IN THE CHURCH.
DR. BRIDGES: HAVE YOU READ MY BOOK ALREADY?
NO, I'M JUST ASKING.
[ LAUGHING ]
REBECCA: AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE TELL
ME THEIR EXPERIENCES AND THEY'RE LIKE,
I HAD SUCH A BAD EXPERIENCE IN CHURCH,
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT WASN'T GOD,
THAT WAS ACTUALLY DEMONIC.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: AND THEY DON'T KNOW AT THE TIME.
AND I THINK A LOT OF EXPERIENCES I'VE HAD WITH
PEOPLE, IT WAS A RELIGIOUS SPIRIT,
AND THEN YOU SEE THE FRUIT OF IT AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH,
THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: SO ONCE AGAIN, IT GOES TO WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE THESE
DEMONIC INFLUENCES, AND THAT'S WHY YOU NEED THE
HOLY SPIRIT EVEN TO DISTINGUISH THOSE
SITUATIONS SO YOU KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.
BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEALING
WITH A PERSON AND DEALING WITH A DEMON INFLUENCING A PERSON.
DR. BRIDGES: THAT'S POWERFUL.
ONE OF THE THINGS I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME IS
THIS PHRASE: IT'S NOT PERSONAL.
REBECCA: WOW, SO GOOD.
DR. BRIDGES: AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET THAT DOWN IN YOUR SPIRIT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE THIS LIFE WITHOUT GOING
INSANE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE REVELATION OF IT'S NOT PERSONAL.
IT WAS SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER I WANTED TO SPEAK
TO, BRINGING IT TO THIS.
THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS GOD SPEAKS TO PEOPLE,
SPEAKS TO HIS CHILDREN.
SO ONE OF THE WAYS GOD SPEAKS TO US IS THROUGH HIS WORD.
HE SPEAKS TO US BY THE PROMPTINGS OF HIS SPIRIT. OKAY.
HE CAN SPEAK TO US THROUGH PEOPLE, RIGHT.
HE CAN SPEAK TO US THROUGH DREAMS AND VISIONS,
THINGS LIKE THAT.
OR HE CAN SPEAK TO US THROUGH CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO THE DEVIL'S A COUNTERFEITER, RIGHT.
SO JUST LIKE GOD SPEAKS TO US IN THOSE WAYS,
THE ENEMY ALSO SPEAKS THROUGH THOSE WAYS.
HE CAN GIVE PEOPLE FALSE WORDS,
HE CAN GIVE PEOPLE PROMPTINGS OUT OF THEIR OWN BROKENNESS.
HE CAN GIVE PEOPLE FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS
OR NIGHTMARES, RIGHT.
OR LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT, HE CAN CAUSE US TO BELIEVE
SOMETHING WRONG BASED UPON OUR CIRCUMSTANCES.
IN OTHER WORDS, A PERSON CAN LOOK AT THEIR
CIRCUMSTANCE AND THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE CAN SPEAK TO
THEM, BUT IT MAY NOT BE WHAT GOD IS SAYING ABOUT WHO THEY ARE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T ALLOW YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE
THE FINAL AUTHORITY ABOUT WHO GOD SAYS YOU ARE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FAMILIAR SPIRITS,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT ALL MY
LIFE, I DEALT WITH JEALOUSY AND BETRAYAL.
FROM THE TIME I WAS A LITTLE KID,
I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
I SAID, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
PEOPLE WOULD ATTACK ME AND WOULD BE JEALOUS,
AND SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, WHAT ARE Y'ALL EVEN
JEALOUS OF, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BE JEALOUS OF.
I WANT WHAT YOU HAVE.
BUT IT WAS A SPIRIT.
AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
GOING TO HELP SOMEBODY.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THOSE SPIRITS ARE ASSIGNED TO
DISCOURAGE YOU AND KEEP YOU OUT OF YOUR PURPOSE.
BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING.
IF I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO MINISTRY BECAUSE I'VE
ALREADY FACED ENOUGH BETRAYAL,
I'VE ALREADY FACED ENOUGH REJECTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE ENEMY WANTS,
FOR YOU TO REJECT YOUR CALLING AND YOUR
ASSIGNMENT ON ACCOUNT OF THE REJECTION THAT
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.
AND SO THE LORD SHOWED ME THIS, HE SAID, SON,
HE SHOWED ME THE DEMONIC CONNECTED TO THIS THAT
THE DEVIL WAS WORKING THROUGH SITUATIONS AND PEOPLE TO
CAUSE YOU TO EMBRACE A SPIRIT OF REJECTION AND
ULTIMATELY REJECT MY PURPOSE FOR YOUR LIFE.
AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS UNTIL YEARS AGO.
I HAD A PASTOR AT MY CHURCH WHO CAME TO SPEAK FOR ME.
AND GOD TOLD ME, WE HAD ALREADY BLESSED SOME OF
THE HONORARIUM, BUT THE LORD SAYS,
GIVE THEM AN ADDITIONAL WHATEVER THE AMOUNT HE
TOLD ME TO DO.
THE NEXT MORNING, HE GIVES ME A CALL.
HE SAYS, I HAD A DREAM THAT I WAS IN A CAR AND
THE POLICE PULLED ME OVER AND THERE WERE GUNS IN MY CAR.
HE SAYS, I IMMEDIATELY KNEW WHAT THE DREAM MEANT
AND I HAD THE CAR.
I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
HE SAID, MAN, I'VE BEEN SLANDERING YOU.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT YOU LIKE A DOG, MAN.
HE SAID, AND GOD TOLD ME THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT I
DID, I WAS UNDER ARREST SPIRITUALLY.
HE SAID, I NEEDED TO REPENT IMMEDIATELY AND
DISCHARGE THIS CLAIM AGAINST ME.
AND THEN HE SAID TO ME, HE SAYS,
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN MY FAMILY LINE
FOR YEARS.
THE MEN IN MY FAMILY ARE ALWAYS OFFENDED,
THEY'RE ALWAYS GET INTO THESE THINGS WHERE THEY
FEEL JEALOUS OF ANOTHER PERSON OR THEY GET
OFFENDED WITH ANOTHER PERSON.
AND IT WAS ALL BASED ON, HE SAID THAT HE THOUGHT
THAT I HAD STOLEN HIS SERMONS AND HIS CONTENT
AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY THINK OF THAT AS DEMONIC BECAUSE
IT DOESN'T HAVE HORNS, IT'S NOT IN A RED JUMPSUIT WITH A TAIL.
BUT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY FROM THE HOSTS OF HELL.
STRIFE, CONFUSION --
REBECCA: GOSSIP.
DR. BRIDGES: -- JEALOUSY.
SLANDER.
GOSSIP.
SO THESE WERE FAMILIAR SPIRITS WORKING IN HIS
LIFE AND IN MINE TO KEEP US IN BONDAGE.
AND SO WHEN I UNDERSTOOD THAT,
I WENT BEFORE THE LORD AND I SAID, FATHER,
I FALL OUT OF AGREEMENT WITH ANYTHING,
ANY SLANDER, ANYTHING I'VE BELIEVED,
ANYTHING THAT I HAVE ACCEPTED AS NORMAL THAT'S
NOT SUPPOSED TO BE NORMAL.
AND I BREAK AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
AND WHEN I STARTED TO DO THAT, IT STOPPED HAPPENING.
IT JUST STOPPED.
BECAUSE I REALIZE THAT IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT THE
PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU CAN GO TO DIFFERENT CITIES AND
YOU SEE THE SAME DEMON IN DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
YOU GO TO -- YOU MOVE TO A DIFFERENT CAMPUS AND SOME
PEOPLE DIVORCE ONE SPOUSE AND MARRY ONE JUST LIKE THEM.
AND SO IT'S BASICALLY A SPIRITUAL THING THAT WE
HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ITS ROOT SYSTEM AND BREAK THE
ROOT SYSTEM, AND THEN WE STARTED TO EXPERIENCE FREEDOM.
REBECCA: WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU REALIZED THAT
THE ENEMY WAS TRYING TO GET YOU TO AGREE WITH THE
SPIRIT OF REJECTION IN PARTICULAR?
DR. BRIDGES: OH, THAT WAS A BIG ONE.
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW IT WORKED WITH ME.
WHEN I WAS FIRST STARTED PREACHING,
I WOULD GO PREACH PLACES AND NOBODY WOULD SHOW UP.
REBECCA: OH, THAT WOULD KILL ME.
DR. BRIDGES: AND I WAS SO HURT.
I SAID, GOD, I KNOW I'M ANOINTED, I KNOW.
AND GOD SAID TO ME, HE SAID, SON,
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
HE SAID, IT'S ABOUT YOU.
HE SAID, YOU HAVE COME INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE
LIE THAT SAYS NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOU,
NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
SO NO MATTER HOW GREAT MY MESSAGE WAS,
I HAD ALREADY COME INTO AGREEMENT WITH THAT
DEMONIC POWER OF DECEPTION THAT SAYS, WELL,
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.
AND THE MINUTE I RENOUNCED THAT,
I LITERALLY STOOD IN THE MIRROR, I SAID, THAT'S A LIE.
I SAID, I AM NOT REJECTED AND I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
I HAVE A VOICE, AND PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THE MESSAGE
GOD'S GIVEN ME.
AND WHEN I DID THAT, I WOULD GO PLACES,
AND PEOPLE WOULD JUST SHOW UP.
SO IT SHOWS YOU THE SPIRITUAL -- THERE'S SO
MANY SPIRITUAL THINGS THAT WE'RE UNAWARE OF THAT ARE
AFFECTING OUR LIVES THAT SOMETIMES WE ARE
UNKNOWINGLY OR UNWITTINGLY IN AGREEMENT WITH BECAUSE
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEHIND IT.
REBECCA: MM-HM, YEAH.
DR. BRIDGES: FEAR, DOUBT, UNBELIEF.
LOOK AT THE CULTURE, LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW
IN SOCIETY.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEMONIC POWER BEHIND THIS.
AND THE CHURCH HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IN
AGREEMENT WITH IT.
WE HAVE A SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT,
WE DON'T AGREE WITH THIS.
THIS IS NOT GOD, AND WE RENOUNCE ANY AGREEMENT
THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT SO WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE
ENEMY ANY LEGAL GROUNDS.
REBECCA: ANY FOOTHOLD.
DR. BRIDGES: YEAH, ANY FOOTHOLD.
REBECCA: AND SO IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS WHEN THE
HOLY SPIRIT REVEALS IT TO YOU, YOU RENOUNCE IT,
YOU REPENT FOR COMING INTO AGREEMENT IN IT,
AND THEN YOU TRUTH OF WHAT GOD IS TELLING YOU.
DR. BRIDGES: THAT'S IT.
REBECCA: IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
DR. BRIDGES: IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
REBECCA: IT'S NOT LIKE THIS HUGE, BIG THING.
DR. BRIDGES: AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT INTIMIDATES PEOPLE.
THEY THINK, OH, MAN, GREEN STUFF IS ABOUT TO START
COMING OUT OF MY EYEBALLS, OH, NO.
AND SO PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET ANYWHERE NEAR
DELIVERANCE BECAUSE THEY SAY, NO,
THEY THINK ABOUT THE EXORCIST.
BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF IT AS BEING LIBERATED FROM A
LIE, THAT'S WHAT DELIVERANCE IS,
IS BREAKING THE POWER OF A LIE THAT ALLOWS YOU AND I
TO ENJOY GREATER LEVELS OF FREEDOM IN CHRIST.
THAT'S DELIVERANCE.
IT COULD BE IN THE MOMENT.
I REMEMBER I WAS IN A SERVICE ONE TIME AND
THE LORD SET ME FREE, IT WAS AS SIMPLE AS I STOPPED
AGREEING WITH THE THING THAT I WAS STRUGGLING WITH
AND I SAID, GOD, I GIVE THIS TO YOU.
AND LIKE THAT, THE LORD SET ME FREE.
IT WASN'T ANYTHING DRAMATIC OR I DIDN'T --
BIRDS DIDN'T FLY OUT OF MY MOUTH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS JUST IN THAT MOMENT,
I NO LONGER AGREED WITH THE LIE OF THE ENEMY.
AND I TURNED TO THE TRUTH, AND AS I DID THAT,
THERE WAS A MANIFESTATION OF FREEDOM.
REBECCA: WOW.
DR. BRIDGES: YEAH.
REBECCA: THAT'S AMAZING.
YOU ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP SOMETHING,
I THINK THIS CAN SHIFT OVER TO THE SUBJECT,
SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CANCEL CULTURE,
BUT JUST LIKE THINGS CAN BE GOING ON IN THE
PERSONAL LIFE OF SOMEONE, THERE'S ALSO THINGS
GOING ON CORPORATELY.
DR. BRIDGES: YEP, THERE YOU GO.
REBECCA: AND IT'S INTERESTING.
IT WASN'T UNTIL 2020, AROUND THAT TIME,
THAT I BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS THINGS AT
PLAY AND THAT IN THE CHURCH,
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DISCERN,
BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH,
BUT ARE WE LISTENING TO HIM?
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DISCERN WHAT IS GOING ON
IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD.
DR. BRIDGES: RIGHT.
REBECCA: BECAUSE WE'RE PRESENTED STUFF IN THE
PHYSICAL AND WE'RE LIVING IN A WORLD THAT DOESN'T
WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE GOD AT ALL OR SAY HE DOESN'T
EXIST AND ONLY LOOK AT THINGS IN THE PHYSICAL.
EARLIER YOU BROUGHT UP ABORTION.
WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS, OUR CULTURE HAS TRIED TO
REDUCE ABORTION TO SOMETHING PURELY PHYSICAL,
SOMETHING PURELY POLITICAL.
AND THAT'S THE FARTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH.
IT'S VERY SPIRITUAL AND IT'S DEMONIC.
AND SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AS BELIEVERS
THAT THERE IS A DEMONIC AGENDA GOING ON IN THE
WORLD AND SO THAT WHEN IT'S AT PLAY,
WE DON'T FALL FOR IT, WE'RE NOT DECEIVED BY IT,
AND WE'RE ABLE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH AGAINST IT,
AND THAT WE'RE NOT INTIMIDATED BY THAT.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: AND THIS IS RELATED TO CANCEL CULTURE.
DR. BRIDGES: RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT STARTED OFF
AND WAS PRESENTED AS, IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING
WRONG, THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
WELL, THAT IS SEEMINGLY GOOD.
YES, WE WOULDN'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
WHAT WE SAW WAS PRESENTED AS ONE THING,
THERE WAS A WHOLE AGENDA BEHIND IT,
AND WHAT WE NOW SEE MORE OF ITS TRUE COLORS IS,
WE'RE GOING TO SILENCE ANYONE AND PUNISH THEM AND
INTIMIDATE ANYONE WHO WILL NOT SAY EXACTLY WHAT WE
WANT THEM TO SAY.
DR. BRIDGES: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: OUR VERSION OF TRUTH.
DR. BRIDGES: YES.
REBECCA: WHICH IS NOT TRUTH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
DR. BRIDGES: THERE YOU GO.
REBECCA: SO SPEAK TO CANCEL CULTURE AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
DR. BRIDGES: WELL, IT IS A GREAT DECEPTION OF OUR TIME.
WHEN YOU -- I AGREE WITH ACCOUNTABILITY,
I BELIEVE ACCOUNTABILITY IS IMPORTANT.
WE NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
REBECCA: THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S OPERATING.
DR. BRIDGES: BUT ACCOUNTABILITY BASED IN A
LIE IS NOT REAL ACCOUNTABILITY.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THE #METOO MOVEMENT.
I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF IT.
EVERY PERSON WHO IS SANE AND RATIONAL WOULD AGREE
THAT IF A MAN OR A WOMAN WHO VIOLATES ANOTHER
PERSON, WHO USES THEIR POWER IN A WAY THAT
ENSLAVES ANOTHER PERSON SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
THAT'S HUMAN TRAFFICKING, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF
SEXUAL ASSAULT THINGS GOING ON.
REBECCA: ABUSE.
DR. BRIDGES: AND IT'S ABUSE.
AND IT'S EGREGIOUS TO THE HEART OF GOD.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE #METOO AS A MOVEMENT,
JUST LIKE BLACK LIVES MATTER AS A MOVEMENT,
IT'S THE SAME THING, THE WOMEN THAT FOUNDED #METOO,
MOST OF THEM ARE -- ONE IN PARTICULAR SITS ON THE
BOARD OF AN ORGANIZATION WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO
GET YOUNG WOMEN TO COME OUT AS BI AND TRANS.
REBECCA: OH, MAN.
DR. BRIDGES: RIGHT.
BUT YOU DON'T SEE THAT PART OF IT.
SO THERE'S THE FRONT FASCIA OF EQUALITY,
EQUITY, AND JUSTICE, BUT BEHIND THAT FRONT FASCIA
IS A SPIRIT OF PERVERSION THAT WANTS TO PUT ENMITY
BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN.
BECAUSE WHEN GOD MADE US, GENESIS 1:26,
HE MADE US TO BE CALLED DOMINIONAIRES.
I CALL IT BEING A DOMINIONAIRE.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THOSE WHO OPERATED IN DOMINION TOGETHER.
BUT IF WE HAVE ANTAGONISM AND ENMITY BETWEEN US,
WE CAN'T FULFILL GOD'S ORIGINAL PURPOSE --
REBECCA: IT'S TRUE.
DR. BRIDGES: -- THAT HE ESTABLISHED IN THE
GARDEN OF EDEN.
MEN OUGHT TO RESPECT WOMEN,
WOMEN OUGHT TO RESPECT MEN.
WE ARE TO SUBMIT ONE TO ANOTHER AS GOD DESIGNED.
THAT COULD ONLY COME ABOUT THROUGH DOING IT GOD'S WAY.
SATAN DOES NOT HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE CULTURE.
SO WHEN WE CONCEDE TO THE ENEMY, WE'RE UNDER DECEPTION.
SO THAT'S THE LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING THE
CANCEL CULTURE IS VERY DEMONIC BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PROVIDE
REDEMPTION, IT DOESN'T PROVIDE TRUE
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE CHANGE.
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE
SHOULD EMBRACE AS BELIEVERS.
IF YOU'VE MADE A MISTAKE AND YOU'VE REPENTED OF
WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND YOU HAVE CLEARED YOUR BOOKS
WITH GOD, YOU OUGHT TO GET ANOTHER CHANCE,
JUST LIKE ALL OF US.
IF GOD WAS A GOD OF CANCEL CULTURE,
NONE OF US WOULD BE SITTING HERE TODAY BECAUSE
WE ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN CANCELED.
REBECCA: YEAH.
DR. BRIDGES: BUT THANK GOD FOR JESUS CHRIST WHO
DIED ON THE CROSS TO GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE.
REBECCA: WELL, THIS CONVERSATION WITH
DR. KYNAN BRIDGES HAS BEEN SO GOOD, THERE'S MORE.
SO MAKE SURE TO STAY TUNED FOR PART TWO OF OUR CONVERSATION. BELL TO BE NOTIFIED ON WHEN NEW CONTENT DROPS.
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