WEBVTT 00:00.266 --> 00:07.166 ♪♪ 00:07.266 --> 00:09.399 REBECCA: WELL, I'M REALLY EXCITED 00:09.499 --> 00:13.466 BECAUSE I HAVE SUZY LAMB ON THE SHOW WITH US TODAY. 00:13.566 --> 00:15.366 SHE'S A TEACHER, AN EVANGELIST, 00:15.466 --> 00:18.433 AND SHE'S BEEN MY SISTER FOR OVER TEN YEARS. 00:18.533 --> 00:20.232 WELCOME, SUZY LAMB. 00:20.332 --> 00:21.366 SUZY: WHOO! 00:21.466 --> 00:22.866 I AM SO EXCITED AND HONORED TO BE HERE WITH YOU. 00:22.966 --> 00:26.199 REBECCA: I WAS LIKE I KNEW I COULD CALL ON YOU. 00:26.299 --> 00:27.299 AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS 00:27.399 --> 00:28.133 I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT 00:28.233 --> 00:29.833 IS YOU ARE THE PERSON 00:29.933 --> 00:31.300 THAT I CAN TALK TO. 00:31.400 --> 00:33.166 YOU'RE LIKE MY IRON THAT SHARPENS IRON. 00:33.266 --> 00:34.666 YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SISTERS FOR TEN YEARS. 00:34.766 --> 00:35.432 SUZY: YEAH. 00:35.532 --> 00:36.232 REBECCA: BUT OUR RELATIONSHIP 00:36.332 --> 00:38.066 REALLY HAS KIND OF EVOLVED. 00:38.166 --> 00:40.033 I THINK WE BOTH HAVE GROWN UP SPIRITUALLY. 00:40.133 --> 00:41.100 AND NOW YOU'RE THE PERSON, 00:41.200 --> 00:41.766 OF ONE OF THE PEOPLE 00:41.866 --> 00:43.166 THAT I CAN REALLY GO TO 00:43.266 --> 00:44.500 AND TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF WITH. 00:44.600 --> 00:45.766 SO WHAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW 00:45.866 --> 00:47.066 IS THAT WE HAVE THESE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS 00:47.166 --> 00:47.800 ALL THE TIME. 00:47.900 --> 00:48.599 SUZY: ALL THE TIME. 00:48.699 --> 00:49.166 REBECCA: BUT KNOW WE FINALLY 00:49.266 --> 00:50.032 HAVE LIKE A PLATFORM 00:50.132 --> 00:52.132 THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS ON. 00:52.232 --> 00:53.533 SUZY: YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, BECCA, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME 00:53.633 --> 00:54.100 SO MANY TIMES 00:54.200 --> 00:55.132 YOU AND BECCA 00:55.232 --> 00:56.466 Y'ALL SEEM TO HAVE SUCH GOOD CHEMISTRY. 00:56.566 --> 00:57.500 Y'ALL SHOULD DO SOMETHING TOGETHER. 00:57.600 --> 00:58.000 AND I WAS LIKE 00:58.100 --> 00:58.533 YOU KNOW WHAT? 00:58.633 --> 00:59.533 SOME DAY I HOPE. 00:59.633 --> 01:00.800 AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 01:00.900 --> 01:01.999 I'M SO HONORED. 01:02.099 --> 01:02.900 REBECCA: I'M SO EXCITED. 01:03.000 --> 01:03.700 AND I ACTUALLY CALLED YOU 01:03.800 --> 01:04.766 LIKE LAST WEEK AND I WAS LIKE 01:04.866 --> 01:05.599 THIS IS WHAT'S ON MY HEART. 01:05.699 --> 01:06.700 AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, I LOVE IT 01:06.800 --> 01:07.933 AND THEN WE JUST STARTED TALKING BACK AND FORTH, 01:08.033 --> 01:08.999 BACK AND FORTH. 01:09.099 --> 01:10.900 AND THEN WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MY PRODUCER, 01:11.000 --> 01:11.933 ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, 01:12.033 --> 01:13.166 I WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT? 01:13.266 --> 01:14.632 I THINK I WANT TO DO THIS WITH SUZY, 01:14.732 --> 01:15.633 THIS CONVERSATION, 01:15.733 --> 01:16.366 BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS. 01:16.466 --> 01:17.232 [ LAUGHTER ] 01:17.332 --> 01:18.033 REBECCA: BUT I WANT TO SAY, 01:18.133 --> 01:20.199 I HAVE MY TALKING POINTS HERE. 01:20.299 --> 01:21.633 BEFORE I GET INTO THIS, 01:21.733 --> 01:22.799 YOU KNOW, I WAS PRAYING, 01:22.899 --> 01:25.032 AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT 01:25.132 --> 01:26.000 REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE 01:26.100 --> 01:27.432 IN THE MODERN CHURCH TODAY. 01:27.532 --> 01:28.499 SUZY: YEAH. 01:28.599 --> 01:30.066 REBECCA: BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY STARTING OFF LIKE 01:30.166 --> 01:31.966 THIS ISN'T COMING FROM A HATEFUL OR CRITICAL PLACE. 01:32.066 --> 01:33.233 THAT'S NOT OUR HEART. 01:33.333 --> 01:36.033 OUR HEART IS TO SEE PEOPLE DRAW CLOSER TO GOD. 01:36.133 --> 01:36.999 AND WHEN I WAS PRAYING 01:37.099 --> 01:38.266 AND I WAS ASKING GOD ABOUT THIS, 01:38.366 --> 01:40.032 I SAID, GOD, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS 01:40.132 --> 01:41.133 IF THIS ISN'T YOU. 01:41.233 --> 01:43.166 LIKE I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS PODCAST 01:43.266 --> 01:44.600 IF IT'S NOT GOD. 01:44.700 --> 01:46.033 AND ONE OF THE THINGS GOD SHOWED ME 01:46.133 --> 01:48.699 IS THAT HE'S CALLING HIS CHURCH 01:48.799 --> 01:49.932 IN AMERICA, THE MODERN CHURCH, 01:50.032 --> 01:51.499 BACK TO HIM. 01:51.599 --> 01:53.833 YOU KNOW, HE WANTS US TO BE CLOSE TO HIM, 01:53.933 --> 01:54.766 CLOSER TO HIM. 01:54.866 --> 01:55.932 SO IT'S NEVER, WHEN GOD BECKONS US, 01:56.032 --> 01:56.799 WHEN HE CALLS US, 01:56.899 --> 01:59.133 IT'S NEVER FROM A CRITICAL PLACE 01:59.233 --> 02:00.100 OR A SHAMEFUL PLACE. 02:00.200 --> 02:01.600 GOD NEVER USES SHAME, PERIOD. 02:01.700 --> 02:03.233 IT'S ALWAYS FROM A PLACE OF LOVE. 02:03.333 --> 02:04.400 BUT HE WANTS US TO DRAW 02:04.500 --> 02:05.732 EVEN CLOSER TO HIM. 02:05.832 --> 02:06.566 AND SO ALL OF THIS 02:06.666 --> 02:08.233 IS JUST STUFF THAT WE'RE SEEING 02:08.333 --> 02:09.299 THAT WE WANT CHANGED 02:09.399 --> 02:11.233 BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MORE. 02:11.333 --> 02:12.333 LIKE I'M NOT SATISFIED, 02:12.433 --> 02:13.432 WE CAN JUST START RIGHT HERE. 02:13.532 --> 02:15.366 I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH WHAT I'M SEEING TODAY. 02:15.466 --> 02:17.299 I KNOW THERE'S MORE OUT THERE. 02:17.399 --> 02:18.333 YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, 02:18.433 --> 02:19.600 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE, 02:19.700 --> 02:21.833 BUT I GREW UP IN A SPIRIT-FILLED CHURCH. 02:21.933 --> 02:24.866 BUT I REALLY DIDN'T REALLY EVER SEE 02:24.966 --> 02:27.733 THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT OPERATE IN THE CHURCH. 02:27.833 --> 02:29.700 AND I KNEW MY PARENTS HAD SEEN THAT, 02:29.800 --> 02:31.500 AND THEY WOULD OPERATE IN THAT. 02:31.600 --> 02:33.600 AND THEY HAD, MY DAD HOSTED REVIVAL. 02:33.700 --> 02:35.532 THIS WAS BEFORE -- EITHER I WAS REALLY LITTLE, 02:35.632 --> 02:36.899 OR IT WAS BEFORE I WAS BORN. 02:36.999 --> 02:39.799 BUT LIKE I NEVER SAW THEM IN CHURCH GROWING UP. 02:39.899 --> 02:41.233 AND I REMEMBER GETTING TO BIBLE SCHOOL 02:41.333 --> 02:43.033 AND TAKING A CLASS ABOUT LIKE 02:43.133 --> 02:45.899 PENTECOSTAL REVIVALS AND LIKE 02:45.999 --> 02:47.199 THE MOVEMENT OF THE SPIRIT. 02:47.299 --> 02:48.632 AND I THINK ALMOST ALL THE STUDENTS 02:48.732 --> 02:51.199 WERE LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN LIKE A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE, 02:51.299 --> 02:52.066 OR THIS OR THIS OR THAT. 02:52.166 --> 02:53.566 AND WE WERE ALL SPIRIT-FILLED. 02:53.666 --> 02:55.366 DID YOU KIND OF SEE THAT STUFF GROWING UP? 02:55.466 --> 02:56.333 SUZY: YOU KNOW, I KIND OF DID. 02:56.433 --> 02:57.466 LIKE IN OUR CHURCH, 02:57.566 --> 02:59.699 I WOULD SEE SOMETIMES THAT LIKE, 02:59.799 --> 03:00.732 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TOO MUCH. 03:00.832 --> 03:02.499 BUT SOMETIMES A PERSON WOULD MANIFEST. 03:02.599 --> 03:04.866 AND I WOULD SEE THE BODY OF CHRIST LIKE COME TOGETHER 03:04.966 --> 03:06.566 AND LIKE REBUKE THAT. 03:06.666 --> 03:08.600 AND, I MEAN, I WAS FIVE OR SIX YEARS OLD, 03:08.700 --> 03:10.199 AND I REALIZED THE POWER. 03:10.299 --> 03:12.099 AND I REMEMBER, THIS IS ACTUALLY A KIND 03:12.199 --> 03:13.066 OF PERSONAL STORY. 03:13.166 --> 03:14.232 I DIDN'T THINK I'D EVER TALK ABOUT IT. 03:14.332 --> 03:15.999 BUT MY SISTER, WHEN SHE WAS A TEENAGER IN COLLEGE, 03:16.099 --> 03:18.800 HER BEST FRIEND PASSED AWAY. 03:18.900 --> 03:20.033 AND THE ELDERS OF THE CHURCH, 03:20.133 --> 03:21.799 SHE SAID, DAD, I WANT THE ELDERS TO COME. 03:21.899 --> 03:23.299 AND WE PRAYED OVER THAT BODY FOR HOURS. 03:23.399 --> 03:25.300 AND, YOU KNOW, ME BEING SO YOUNG, 03:25.400 --> 03:26.166 IT WAS NORMAL. 03:26.266 --> 03:27.600 I FEEL LIKE IN OTHER COUNTRIES -- 03:27.700 --> 03:28.600 REBECCA: WAIT, ARE YOU SERIOUS? 03:28.700 --> 03:29.566 SUZY: SERIOUSLY. 03:29.666 --> 03:31.900 AND SHE, SHE DIED, 03:32.000 --> 03:32.733 THAT WAS GOD'S PLAN. 03:32.833 --> 03:33.566 AND WE HAD PEACE WITH IT, 03:33.666 --> 03:34.699 BUT THAT NOT A WASTE. 03:34.799 --> 03:36.732 TO ME, THAT WAS PRACTICING FAITH. 03:36.832 --> 03:38.600 REBECCA: SO YOU SAW THAT KIND OF STUFF GROWING UP. 03:38.700 --> 03:40.300 AND I WILL SAY I KNOW ONE STORY 03:40.400 --> 03:42.833 ABOUT HERE SOMEONE RISING FROM THE DEAD, 03:42.933 --> 03:44.600 AND IT WAS ACTUALLY DAD. 03:44.700 --> 03:46.532 HE WAS PREACHING 03:46.632 --> 03:48.133 BECAUSE HE USED TO BE A TRAVELING EVANGELIST. 03:48.233 --> 03:48.966 AND HE WAS PREACHING 03:49.066 --> 03:50.466 AND THERE WAS A GUY 03:50.566 --> 03:52.499 THAT DIED IN THE SERVICE. 03:52.599 --> 03:53.300 HIS DAUGHTER WAS THERE. 03:53.400 --> 03:54.366 SHE WAS A NURSE. 03:54.466 --> 03:55.733 AND SHE PRONOUNCED HIM DEAD, 03:55.833 --> 03:56.699 BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW THEY CAN CHECK THE PULSE. 03:56.799 --> 03:57.600 SUZY: YEAH. 03:57.700 --> 03:58.333 REBECCA: THERE WAS NO PULSE THERE. 03:58.433 --> 03:59.233 AND MY DAD WENT OVER 03:59.333 --> 03:59.899 AND PRAYED FOR HIM. 03:59.999 --> 04:01.166 AND HE CAME BACK. 04:01.266 --> 04:01.999 SUZY: WHAT? 04:02.099 --> 04:02.733 REBECCA: I THINK HE DIED OF LIKE 04:02.833 --> 04:03.432 A HEART ATTACK OF SOMETHING. 04:03.532 --> 04:03.999 I KNOW. 04:04.099 --> 04:04.833 IS THAT NOT CRAZY? 04:04.933 --> 04:05.366 SUZY: I DON'T KNOW THIS STORY. 04:05.466 --> 04:06.366 THIS IS AMAZING. 04:06.466 --> 04:08.766 REBECCA: YEAH, BUT JUST GOING BACK TO IT, 04:08.866 --> 04:09.499 YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE 04:09.599 --> 04:10.566 THAT STUFF GROWING UP. 04:10.666 --> 04:12.933 AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU DID SEE IT GROWING UP, 04:13.033 --> 04:15.799 BECAUSE I THINK ALMOST IN INDIA, 04:15.899 --> 04:18.466 IT'S LIKE THE SPIRITUAL WARFARE WAS MORE REAL. 04:18.566 --> 04:20.766 IT'S HAPPENING JUST AS MUCH HERE, 04:20.866 --> 04:21.966 BUT IT'S MORE HIDDEN. 04:22.066 --> 04:24.399 BUT IN INDIA, THERE'S LIKE -- THE OPPOSITION IS CLEAR. 04:24.499 --> 04:25.266 BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY 04:25.366 --> 04:26.366 OF THE COUNTRY, 04:26.466 --> 04:27.766 THERE'S A LOT OF HINDUS, 04:27.866 --> 04:28.733 A LOT OF HINDUISM. 04:28.833 --> 04:29.966 AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MUSLIMS. 04:30.066 --> 04:30.799 SUZY: YEAH. 04:30.899 --> 04:31.599 REBECCA: SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT 04:31.699 --> 04:32.366 WHAT IT WAS LIKE GROWING UP 04:32.466 --> 04:33.333 KIND OF LIKE THE MINORITY, 04:33.433 --> 04:34.300 INSTEAD OF THE MAJORITY? 04:34.400 --> 04:35.899 SUZY: SURE, YOU KNOW, SO BEING ONLY LESS 04:35.999 --> 04:37.299 THAN THREE PERCENT OF -- 04:37.399 --> 04:38.666 REBECCA: OH, WOW, THAT SMALL? 04:38.766 --> 04:39.266 SUZY: YEAH. 04:39.366 --> 04:40.299 IN A COUNTRY OF WHAT? 04:40.399 --> 04:41.100 OVER A BILLION PEOPLE? 04:41.200 --> 04:41.932 REBECCA: YEAH. 04:42.032 --> 04:43.266 SUZY: WHEN YOU ARE THAT SMALL, 04:43.366 --> 04:45.266 THE CHURCH HAS TO STAY TIGHT. 04:45.366 --> 04:46.466 AND THAT'S SOMETHING I ACTUALLY 04:46.566 --> 04:47.532 REALLY APPRECIATED. 04:47.632 --> 04:48.266 REBECCA: OH, STAND TOGETHER. 04:48.366 --> 04:49.366 SUZY: IT'S REALLY TRUE. 04:49.466 --> 04:50.999 MOST OF MY FRIENDS THAT I GREW UP WITH 04:51.099 --> 04:52.866 IN CHURCH OBVIOUSLY WERE LIKE-MINDED. 04:52.966 --> 04:56.300 BUT IN SCHOOL, EVERYONE WAS EITHER, YOU KNOW, 04:56.400 --> 04:58.200 LIKE NOT PRACTICING HINDU, MUSLIM. 04:58.300 --> 04:59.566 THEY WERE VERY CHILL ABOUT THINGS. 04:59.666 --> 05:01.633 REBECCA: YOU WERE IN A MORE SECULAR PART OF INDIA. 05:01.733 --> 05:05.333 BECAUSE YOU WERE IN WHAT WAS BOMBAY NOW CALLED MUMBAI. 05:05.433 --> 05:07.499 SO YOU WERE KIND OF LIKE THE BOLLYWOOD. 05:07.599 --> 05:08.433 SUZY: RIGHT. 05:08.533 --> 05:09.199 IN THE HEART OF BOLLYWOOD LITERALLY. 05:09.299 --> 05:10.100 REBECCA: EXACTLY. 05:10.200 --> 05:11.032 IT'S LIKE THE HOLLYWOOD OF INDIA. 05:11.132 --> 05:11.866 SUZY: RIGHT. 05:11.966 --> 05:13.899 SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I DID SEE -- 05:13.999 --> 05:14.666 REBECCA: SO A LOT OF WEALTH. 05:14.766 --> 05:15.966 SUZY: YUP. 05:16.066 --> 05:17.833 AND WHAT I DID SEE THOUGH, 05:17.933 --> 05:19.166 YEAH, LIKE WITH MY FRIENDS AND STUFF, 05:19.266 --> 05:21.766 YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE LITERALLY THEIR GOD WAS 05:21.866 --> 05:22.933 NOT EVEN THE HINDU IDOLS. 05:23.033 --> 05:24.632 THEIR GOD WAS THEIR WEALTH. 05:24.732 --> 05:25.932 IT WAS QUITE AMAZING TO SEE. 05:26.032 --> 05:26.833 AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, 05:26.933 --> 05:27.633 BEING IN INDIA, 05:27.733 --> 05:29.266 YOU ALSO SEE THE EXTREME OPPOSITE 05:29.366 --> 05:31.199 WITH POVERTY ON THE STREETS. 05:31.299 --> 05:33.866 BUT, YOU KNOW, SEEING THAT IN THE CHURCH, 05:33.966 --> 05:34.866 IT MADE ME REALLY STRONG 05:34.966 --> 05:36.932 IN MY BELIEFS WHEN I STEPPED OUT. 05:37.032 --> 05:38.066 BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS OUR CORE, 05:38.166 --> 05:39.399 THIS WAS OUR FAMILY. 05:39.499 --> 05:40.899 SO WHEN I STEPPED OUT, 05:40.999 --> 05:43.400 AND I WOULD SEE LOST PEOPLE, 05:43.500 --> 05:45.133 THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING INSIDE 05:45.233 --> 05:46.966 THAT WAS LIKE 05:47.066 --> 05:48.133 WE'RE SET APART. 05:48.233 --> 05:50.166 AND IN LIVING THAT WAY, 05:50.266 --> 05:52.966 MY MOM AND DAD WERE VERY STRONG ABOUT MANY THINGS 05:53.066 --> 05:54.632 INCLUDING SAY, YOGA. 05:54.732 --> 05:56.466 I KNOW IT'S VERY COMMON IN AMERICA. 05:56.566 --> 05:57.600 IN INDIA, IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, 05:57.700 --> 05:59.900 YOU KNOW STAY AWAY FROM YOGA. 06:00.000 --> 06:01.866 IF IT'S THINGS LIKE 06:01.966 --> 06:02.766 FESTIVALS AND STUFF, 06:02.866 --> 06:04.066 MY PARENTS ALWAYS KEPT ME APART. 06:04.166 --> 06:04.733 AND AS A CHILD, 06:04.833 --> 06:06.066 I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND. 06:06.166 --> 06:07.299 I WANTED TO GO CELEBRATE AND DO 06:07.399 --> 06:08.200 ALL THE THINGS -- 06:08.300 --> 06:08.866 REBECCA: YEAH, YOU WANT TO DO WHAT 06:08.966 --> 06:09.366 EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING. 06:09.466 --> 06:10.566 SUZY: YEAH. 06:10.666 --> 06:11.499 BUT NOW AS A GROWN UP, 06:11.599 --> 06:13.433 I'M LIKE THANK GOD YOU PROTECTED ME 06:13.533 --> 06:14.866 AND YOU SHUT THAT DOOR. 06:14.966 --> 06:16.099 AND THAT'S THE THING ABOUT A COUNTRY 06:16.199 --> 06:18.466 WHERE YOU'RE LESS THAN THREE PERCENT, 06:18.566 --> 06:19.466 YOUR RULES ARE STRONG. 06:19.566 --> 06:20.832 YOU KNOW THESE ARE THE BOUNDARIES, 06:20.932 --> 06:22.066 AND BOUNDARIES ARE THERE FOR SECURITY. 06:22.166 --> 06:23.699 WE'RE SECURE IN THE BOUNDARIES OF GOD. 06:23.799 --> 06:26.000 WE DON'T STEP OUTSIDE TO THE DEMONIC STUFF. 06:26.100 --> 06:26.833 BUT IN AMERICA, 06:26.933 --> 06:28.133 THERE'S SUCH LOOSE INFORMATION. 06:28.233 --> 06:29.266 THERE'S NO STRONG BOUNDARIES. 06:29.366 --> 06:30.366 THERE'S NO SECURITY. 06:30.466 --> 06:32.333 SO PEOPLE, EVERYTHING IS KIND OF LIKE PERMISSIBLE. 06:32.433 --> 06:34.066 REBECCA: WHAT WAS IT LIKE COMING 06:34.166 --> 06:36.066 FROM THIS PLACE WHERE YOU'RE THE MINORITY 06:36.166 --> 06:36.966 AND THEN COMING TO A PLACE 06:37.066 --> 06:39.466 WHERE CHRISTIANITY WAS COMMON PLACE, 06:39.566 --> 06:42.766 BUT IT WAS A LITTLE DISTORTED, WATERED-DOWN, 06:42.866 --> 06:44.399 WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? 06:44.499 --> 06:46.899 SUZY: HONESTLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, BEC, HALF OF IT 06:46.999 --> 06:47.899 SCARED ME A LITTLE BIT, 06:47.999 --> 06:49.366 BECAUSE IT FRUSTRATED ME 06:49.466 --> 06:51.666 WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE AS A TEENAGER. 06:51.766 --> 06:53.599 I WAS JUST LIKE CONFUSED. 06:53.699 --> 06:54.699 BUT I HAVE TO BE HONEST, 06:54.799 --> 06:56.366 LIKE AS THE YEARS WENT, 06:56.466 --> 06:59.766 IT JUST, YOU KIND OF BLEND IN A LITTLE BIT. 06:59.866 --> 07:01.866 LIKE IN INDIA, MY MOM AND DAD WERE LIKE 07:01.966 --> 07:03.833 HALLOWEEN NEVER, EVER, YOU KNOW. 07:03.933 --> 07:04.499 AND I KNEW IT. 07:04.599 --> 07:06.399 WITH MY CHILDREN NEVER. 07:06.499 --> 07:08.432 THEN AS THE YEARS PAST, 07:08.532 --> 07:10.166 AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THEY WANT TO GET CANDY. 07:10.266 --> 07:11.332 LET THEM GET CANDY 07:11.432 --> 07:12.966 AND WEAR A CUTE LITTLE OUTFIT. 07:13.066 --> 07:14.299 AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS YEAR 07:14.399 --> 07:16.732 AFTER YOU DID YOUR HALLOWEEN PODCAST, 07:16.832 --> 07:19.500 YOU KNOW, YOUR CHILDREN ARE TRAINED TO BE SPONGES, 07:19.600 --> 07:20.866 THAT'S HOW GOD HAS MADE THEM. 07:20.966 --> 07:23.199 AND I DO NOT KEEP THESE THINGS 07:23.299 --> 07:24.133 AWAY FROM MY CHILDREN. 07:24.233 --> 07:25.533 I MADE ISRAEL, BECAUSE HE'S VERY STRONG 07:25.633 --> 07:26.166 IN HIS BELIEFS. 07:26.266 --> 07:27.332 REBECCA: YEAH, HE IS. 07:27.432 --> 07:28.500 SUZY: AND HE FULLY ABSORBED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. 07:28.600 --> 07:30.799 AND HE SAW THE AUTHORITY YOU SPOKE IN, BEC. 07:30.899 --> 07:33.032 AND IT INFUSED ME 07:33.132 --> 07:34.333 WITH THIS POWER AND PASSION 07:34.433 --> 07:37.833 AND JONATHAN AND WE STOOD UP AND WE SAID NO, NOT EVER. 07:37.933 --> 07:38.800 WE WILL NEVER. 07:38.900 --> 07:39.900 REBECCA: REALLY? 07:40.000 --> 07:41.466 SUZY: YES, AND YOU WERE SUCH A HUGE PART OF THAT 07:41.566 --> 07:42.633 IN LIKE GIVING ME THAT STRENGTH, 07:42.733 --> 07:44.532 AS TO WHY I'M SAYING NO. 07:44.632 --> 07:45.466 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOUR KIDS 07:45.566 --> 07:46.766 THEY HAVE THE SOFT PART OF YOUR HEART. 07:46.866 --> 07:48.866 AND HE WAS LIKE PLEASE, MOM, IT'S JUST 07:48.966 --> 07:49.666 A LITTLE BIT OF CANDY. 07:49.766 --> 07:51.366 ALL MY FRIENDS ARE OUT THERE. 07:51.466 --> 07:53.899 THE OLD ME WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE FINE. 07:53.999 --> 07:54.899 NOPE, NOT ANYMORE. 07:54.999 --> 07:57.032 BECAUSE YOU EXPOSED THE DEMONIC STUFF. 07:57.132 --> 07:57.899 SEE, BECAUSE OF KNOWLEDGE -- 07:57.999 --> 08:00.066 NO KNOWLEDGE PEOPLE PERISH. 08:00.166 --> 08:01.133 BUT WHEN YOU KNOW, 08:01.233 --> 08:01.866 AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 08:01.966 --> 08:02.833 I'M SO PROUD OF YOU 08:02.933 --> 08:03.966 BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING THE KNOWLEDGE 08:04.066 --> 08:06.799 AS TO WHY WE STAY AWAY FROM CERTAIN THINGS. 08:06.899 --> 08:07.766 WHY? 08:07.866 --> 08:09.166 NOT JUST, NOT TO BE LEGALISTIC, 08:09.266 --> 08:10.499 BUT THERE'S A REASON. 08:10.599 --> 08:11.332 REBECCA: FIRST OF ALL, 08:11.432 --> 08:12.132 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THAT. 08:12.232 --> 08:13.766 THAT WAS REALLY ENCOURAGING. 08:13.866 --> 08:15.433 BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT EVEN CAME FROM 08:15.533 --> 08:17.100 IT'S LIKE I GREW UP CELEBRATING HALLOWEEN. 08:17.200 --> 08:19.433 AND MY MOM DID IT IN A VERY LIKE INNOCENT WAY. 08:19.533 --> 08:22.766 SHE WOULD LIKE, SHE WOULD LIKE STAPLE OR TAPE, 08:22.866 --> 08:24.733 SHE WOULD TAPE TRACTS, 08:24.833 --> 08:26.900 LIKE TRACTS ON THE CANDY. 08:27.000 --> 08:29.233 AND I NEVER DRESSED UP AS ANYTHING EVIL. 08:29.333 --> 08:31.166 BUT AS I GOT OLDER, 08:31.266 --> 08:32.932 IT WASN'T UNTIL I HAD ASHER 08:33.032 --> 08:35.366 THAT IT JUST CHANGES EVERYTHING. 08:35.466 --> 08:39.099 AND YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE THIS LIKE FRESH CLEAN SLATE 08:39.199 --> 08:40.433 THAT YOU'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED TO 08:40.533 --> 08:43.166 AND YOU MAKE THE IMPRINT ON YOUR CHILD. 08:43.266 --> 08:45.299 AND YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN 08:45.399 --> 08:46.266 IN THE WAYS OF THE LORD. 08:46.366 --> 08:47.833 AND TEACH THEM AND THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT 08:47.933 --> 08:48.999 HOW YOU'RE THE PRIEST OF YOUR HOME, 08:49.099 --> 08:52.066 THE PROPHET, THE KING, YOU KNOW, THE FATHER RULES. 08:52.166 --> 08:54.599 AND THE WOMAN SERVES ALONGSIDE HIM AS HIS TEAMMATE. 08:54.699 --> 08:55.300 SUZY: YES. 08:55.400 --> 08:56.133 REBECCA: AND YOU JUST FEEL 08:56.233 --> 08:57.433 THIS SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY. 08:57.533 --> 09:01.499 AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVER SINCE 2020, 09:01.599 --> 09:03.199 THERE'S JUST BEEN KIND OF LIKE AN AWAKENING. 09:03.299 --> 09:04.699 AND I THINK GOD REALLY KIND OF 09:04.799 --> 09:06.300 WOKE A LOT OF PEOPLE UP 09:06.400 --> 09:08.433 THAT THERE IS A REAL BATTLE GOING ON. 09:08.533 --> 09:10.333 AND WE HAVE TO BE SERIOUS. 09:10.433 --> 09:12.166 AND WHEN I BEGAN TO LEARN 09:12.266 --> 09:13.132 THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED, 09:13.232 --> 09:15.232 REALLY A LOT OF THIS PODCAST 09:15.332 --> 09:16.866 THE DESIRE WAS BIRTHED FROM THIS, 09:16.966 --> 09:18.399 WANTING TO WARN PEOPLE 09:18.499 --> 09:20.266 AND EDUCATE PEOPLE AND INFORM PEOPLE. 09:20.366 --> 09:22.799 BECAUSE WHAT I'M REALIZING ABOUT BELIEVERS, 09:22.899 --> 09:24.466 YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY BELIEVERS IN AMERICA, 09:24.566 --> 09:25.733 IS THAT THEY'RE GOOD-HEARTED PEOPLE 09:25.833 --> 09:27.333 WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. 09:27.433 --> 09:28.599 AND ONE OF THE THINGS GOD TOLD ME IS, 09:28.699 --> 09:30.133 YOU KNOW, AS HE WAS SHOWING ME THINGS 09:30.233 --> 09:32.166 AND PREPARING ME AND TEACHING ME, 09:32.266 --> 09:33.232 I WOULD GET REALLY PASSIONATE. 09:33.332 --> 09:34.299 BECAUSE I WAS LIKE 09:34.399 --> 09:35.432 I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE DOING THESE THINGS. 09:35.532 --> 09:36.433 AND I REMEMBER HIM TELLING ME, 09:36.533 --> 09:38.500 LIKE BE GENTLE WITH THEM. 09:38.600 --> 09:39.700 AND I REALIZE, OH, GOD LOVES -- 09:39.800 --> 09:41.066 NOT ONLY DOES GOD LOVE THESE PEOPLE, 09:41.166 --> 09:42.699 BUT A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW. 09:42.799 --> 09:43.766 JUST LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW. 09:43.866 --> 09:44.799 SUZY: RIGHT. 09:44.899 --> 09:45.733 REBECCA: WHAT I WAS TELLING SOMEONE TODAY, 09:45.833 --> 09:46.866 I WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT AMAZES ME? 09:46.966 --> 09:48.633 IT'S LIKE IF YOU WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING, 09:48.733 --> 09:50.699 LIKE GOD'S WORD MAKES THINGS VERY CLEAR. 09:50.799 --> 09:51.933 SUZY: YES. 09:52.033 --> 09:54.266 REBECCA: IT'S JUST WE DON'T KNOW GOD'S WORD THAT WELL. 09:54.366 --> 09:55.866 AND THAT'S ONE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, 09:55.966 --> 09:57.499 GOING BACK TO BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 09:57.599 --> 09:58.266 THE MODERN CHURCH TODAY. 09:58.366 --> 09:59.399 I TOOK US OFF ON A TANGENT. 09:59.499 --> 10:02.166 BUT, I MEAN, IT'S ALL BEEN SO GOOD. 10:02.266 --> 10:02.966 SUZY: YEAH. 10:03.066 --> 10:03.832 REBECCA: BUT ONE OF THE THINGS 10:03.932 --> 10:04.999 THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE MODERN CHURCH 10:05.099 --> 10:06.800 IS I FEEL LIKE BELIEVERS 10:06.900 --> 10:07.866 THEY DON'T EVEN, 10:07.966 --> 10:09.599 NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT ONLY READ THEIR BIBLES, 10:09.699 --> 10:11.366 BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO. 10:11.466 --> 10:12.966 I REMEMBER GOING TO BIBLE SCHOOL 10:13.066 --> 10:14.966 AND AS STUDENTS LEARNING THINGS 10:15.066 --> 10:15.999 THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED 10:16.099 --> 10:17.666 GROWING UP IN CHURCH. 10:17.766 --> 10:18.566 AND WE WERE LIKE, MAN, WHY ARE WE 10:18.666 --> 10:20.700 JUST LEARNING THIS STUFF NOW? 10:20.800 --> 10:21.966 YOU KNOW, AND SO I FEEL LIKE 10:22.066 --> 10:23.900 IF YOU DON'T KNOW GOD'S WORD, 10:24.000 --> 10:25.699 OR IF YOU, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE ATTACK ON 10:25.799 --> 10:27.033 DISCREDITING GOD'S WORD, 10:27.133 --> 10:27.966 AND WE SEE THAT 10:28.066 --> 10:29.500 THAT'S POPULAR RIGHT NOW. 10:29.600 --> 10:30.566 IF THE ENEMY CAN DO THAT, 10:30.666 --> 10:32.700 THEN YOU CAN EASILY BE LED INTO DECEPTION. 10:32.800 --> 10:34.966 AND THEN BASICALLY PICK UP THESE FALSE DOCTRINES 10:35.066 --> 10:36.900 THAT SOUND GOOD, IT MIGHT FEEL GOOD, 10:37.000 --> 10:38.100 BUT THEY'RE NOT GOD. 10:38.200 --> 10:39.100 SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT. 10:39.200 --> 10:40.700 AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE 10:40.800 --> 10:43.166 LIKE I JUST SAW ON INSTAGRAM THE OTHER DAY, 10:43.266 --> 10:45.699 THIS ACCOUNT, AND SHE LITERALLY WAS LIKE 10:45.799 --> 10:48.400 LIVING MY LIFE, LOVING GOD. 10:48.500 --> 10:51.599 AND BASICALLY THE CAPTION WAS, 10:51.699 --> 10:55.199 SUPPORTING LOVE NO MATTER WHICH GENDER. 10:55.299 --> 10:57.033 AND IT THREW ME BECAUSE 10:57.133 --> 10:58.099 AND SHE DID THIS THE HUGE PASSAGE, 10:58.199 --> 10:59.433 WHICH I DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ. 10:59.533 --> 11:01.566 BUT YOU CAN JUSTIFY SCRIPTURE TO ANYTHING 11:01.666 --> 11:02.533 IF YOU TWIST IT. 11:02.633 --> 11:05.366 BUT CLEARLY, WHEN IT SAYS NO MEANS NO, 11:05.466 --> 11:07.266 THAT'S THAT ROOT OF REBELLION. 11:07.366 --> 11:08.533 BECAUSE I WON'T TAKE YOUR NO. 11:08.633 --> 11:11.166 I'LL TWIST IT TO SEE HOW IT FITS ME IN THIS CULTURE. 11:11.266 --> 11:12.466 REBECCA: AND, YEAH, THAT'S THE DANGER OF 11:12.566 --> 11:13.866 LIKE TAKING THE BIBLE. 11:13.966 --> 11:15.032 SUZY: YES. 11:15.132 --> 11:17.033 REBECCA: SO LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS, PASTOR LANDON, 11:17.133 --> 11:17.666 MERCY CULTURE, 11:17.766 --> 11:18.699 WHERE I GO TO CHURCH, 11:18.799 --> 11:20.199 HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY MADE A BIBLE 11:20.299 --> 11:23.100 THAT OMITS THOSE PASSAGES OF SCRIPTURE 11:23.200 --> 11:24.400 THAT TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY 11:24.500 --> 11:25.166 BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE 11:25.266 --> 11:26.200 THIS ISN'T INCLUSIVE. 11:26.300 --> 11:29.066 AND I'M LIKE, WHO ARE WE TO THINK, 11:29.166 --> 11:31.799 LIKE AS PEOPLE, THAT WE KNOW 11:31.899 --> 11:34.266 WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE IN GOD'S WORD? 11:34.366 --> 11:36.066 AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT ON A DEEPER LEVEL, 11:36.166 --> 11:37.399 BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE END TIMES 11:37.499 --> 11:38.866 WITH JIMMY EVANS. 11:38.966 --> 11:40.833 ONE OF THE NAMES FOR JESUS 11:40.933 --> 11:43.132 IS THE WORD OF GOD. 11:43.232 --> 11:45.533 LIKE HE IS THE WORD OF GOD. 11:45.633 --> 11:46.766 SO IF YOU REJECT IT, 11:46.866 --> 11:47.799 YOU REJECT HIM. 11:47.899 --> 11:48.666 SUZY: JESUS. 11:48.766 --> 11:50.933 REBECCA: LIKE HE EMBODIES ALL LOVE, 11:51.033 --> 11:52.299 GRACE AND TRUTH. 11:52.399 --> 11:53.366 SUZY: YES. 11:53.466 --> 11:54.900 REBECCA: BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE 11:55.000 --> 11:55.966 THAT I SEE TODAY 11:56.066 --> 11:57.699 IS THAT THEY'RE DISTORTING, 11:57.799 --> 11:59.333 IT'S LIKE GOD'S LOVE IS SO GREAT, 11:59.433 --> 12:01.199 AND YOU CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY FROM IT. 12:01.299 --> 12:02.366 BUT YOU CAN'T TWIST IT 12:02.466 --> 12:04.200 INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT. 12:04.300 --> 12:05.833 AND GOD CARES ABOUT PEOPLE. 12:05.933 --> 12:07.533 SO HE IS GONNA TELL THEM THE TRUTH. 12:07.633 --> 12:09.566 BECAUSE JESUS WAS VERY CLEAR. 12:09.666 --> 12:11.266 THERE'S A HEAVEN, THERE IS A HELL. 12:11.366 --> 12:13.033 AND HE TELLS ALL THESE DIFFERENT PARABLES. 12:13.133 --> 12:14.066 HE TELLS THE PARABLES ABOUT THE WHEAT 12:14.166 --> 12:14.966 AND THE TARES. 12:15.066 --> 12:16.632 LIKE HE TALKS ABOUT THE END TIMES. 12:16.732 --> 12:19.032 HE LAYS IT OUT ALL VERY CLEARLY IN SCRIPTURE. 12:19.132 --> 12:20.032 BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE 12:20.132 --> 12:21.399 GOD DESIRES NONE TO PERISH. 12:21.499 --> 12:22.233 SUZY: YES. 12:22.333 --> 12:23.533 REBECCA: BUT IF YOU'RE IGNORANT, 12:23.633 --> 12:25.366 THE BIBLE SAYS MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED, 12:25.466 --> 12:27.833 IN HOSEA, FOR A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. 12:27.933 --> 12:28.666 AND SO THAT'S A HUGE ATTACK 12:28.766 --> 12:29.600 THAT I SEE GOING ON. 12:29.700 --> 12:30.966 AND SOMETHING THAT I WANT 12:31.066 --> 12:33.599 TO HELP DO THIS PODCAST IS TO EQUIP BELIEVERS 12:33.699 --> 12:34.866 TO BE ABLE TO READ THE WORD 12:34.966 --> 12:36.333 AND STUDY IT FOR THEMSELVES 12:36.433 --> 12:37.599 AND TO BE COMFORTABLE IN A RELATIONSHIP 12:37.699 --> 12:38.600 WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. 12:38.700 --> 12:40.400 SO THAT HE CAN TEACH THEM 12:40.500 --> 12:41.666 AND LEAD THEM INTO TRUTH. 12:41.766 --> 12:43.433 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT PERSONAL 12:43.533 --> 12:44.933 RELATIONSHIP FOR YOURSELF. 12:45.033 --> 12:46.099 THERE'S A HUGE SHIFT 12:46.199 --> 12:48.066 WHEN YOU GO FROM KIND OF BEING RAISED IN THE FAITH, 12:48.166 --> 12:49.766 TO TAKING ON YOUR OWN FAITH 12:49.866 --> 12:51.666 WITH YOUR OWN RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. 12:51.766 --> 12:53.166 WHAT WAS THAT LIKE WITH YOU? 12:53.266 --> 12:54.966 SUZY: YOU KNOW, I LOVE THAT YOU TALK ABOUT 12:55.066 --> 12:55.966 UNDERSTANDING HOW TO READ THE BIBLE. 12:56.066 --> 13:00.133 BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS YOUNG, 13:00.233 --> 13:01.566 YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A CHORE. 13:01.666 --> 13:02.533 I DIDN'T REALLY GET IT. 13:02.633 --> 13:03.366 REBECCA: THAT'S HOW IT WAS FOR ME. 13:03.466 --> 13:03.832 [ LAUGHTER ] 13:03.932 --> 13:04.500 SUZY: YEAH. 13:04.600 --> 13:05.833 SO YOU'RE LIKE MY MOM WAS 13:05.933 --> 13:06.566 DID YOU READ YOUR BIBLE YET? 13:06.666 --> 13:08.299 AND I WAS LIKE AH. 13:08.399 --> 13:09.566 REBECCA: BUT IT WAS ALSO VERY HARD FOR ME. 13:09.666 --> 13:10.800 SUZY: ME, TOO. 13:10.900 --> 13:12.000 I WAS JUST LIKE, AH! 13:12.100 --> 13:14.266 YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND BE DISCIPLINED. 13:14.366 --> 13:15.366 REBECCA: DID YOU EVER FEEL LIKE 13:15.466 --> 13:16.566 THOSE PEOPLE WHO PRAYED FOR LIKE THREE HOURS, 13:16.666 --> 13:18.732 YOU'RE LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? 13:18.832 --> 13:20.566 [ LAUGHTER ] 13:20.666 --> 13:22.199 SUZY: SO MY MOM, WHAT SHE SAID, 13:22.299 --> 13:23.299 SHE TAUGHT ME THIS WHERE 13:23.399 --> 13:25.966 SHE WAS LIKE, OKAY, READ A SCRIPTURE, AND THEN ASK 13:26.066 --> 13:27.033 THE HOLY SPIRIT -- 13:27.133 --> 13:27.733 REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME. 13:27.833 --> 13:28.666 SUZY: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 13:28.766 --> 13:30.199 OR JUST SAY, DAD, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 13:30.299 --> 13:31.166 YOU KNOW, WITH THE FATHER, 13:31.266 --> 13:32.400 BECAUSE HE'LL GIVE YOU REVELATION. 13:32.500 --> 13:34.599 AND THEN EVEN IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS, 13:34.699 --> 13:36.866 YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY, GIVE ME MORE REVELATION. 13:36.966 --> 13:39.833 AND SO, YOU KNOW, TELL ME, TEACH ME NEW THINGS FROM IT. 13:39.933 --> 13:41.032 BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS SAID 13:41.132 --> 13:42.299 YOU WILL READ THE SAME SCRIPTURE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, 13:42.399 --> 13:43.933 AND GET SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW AND DIFFERENT. 13:44.033 --> 13:44.766 REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE. 13:44.866 --> 13:45.600 SUZY: AND SO WHEN I STARTED 13:45.700 --> 13:47.599 THINKING OF THAT AS A MYSTERY WAY, 13:47.699 --> 13:49.199 AND I WAS LIKE, OOH, IT BECAME LIKE A GAME. 13:49.299 --> 13:50.233 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PLAY WITH KIDS. 13:50.333 --> 13:52.000 AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S DAD GONNA TELL ME? 13:52.100 --> 13:53.333 WHAT ARE YOU GONNA TELL ME, HOLY SPIRIT? 13:53.433 --> 13:55.300 AND SO I STARTED DOING THAT AS A KID. 13:55.400 --> 13:55.999 AND UNTIL THIS DAY, 13:56.099 --> 13:56.700 I ALWAYS DO THAT, 13:56.800 --> 13:58.666 AND I ALWAYS GET SO MUCH. 13:58.766 --> 14:01.099 LIKE IT'S LITERALLY FRESH MANNA. 14:01.199 --> 14:03.866 AND NOTHING CAN SUBSTITUTE SITTING ALONE WITH GOD 14:03.966 --> 14:05.700 AND GETTING A DOWNLOAD. 14:05.800 --> 14:06.899 AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE THANK YOU 14:06.999 --> 14:08.566 FOR EQUIPPING ME WITH THIS NEW REVELATION 14:08.666 --> 14:10.433 I CAN USE TODAY AND PUT FORWARD. 14:10.533 --> 14:11.233 REBECCA: AND WHAT I LOVE 14:11.333 --> 14:12.299 IS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MANNA. 14:12.399 --> 14:14.299 AND WHAT I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THE MANNA 14:14.399 --> 14:16.499 IS LIKE I KNEW IT WAS ONLY GOOD FOR ONE DAY. 14:16.599 --> 14:18.032 AND I REMEMBER THINKING, LIKE THAT'S STRANGE. 14:18.132 --> 14:19.499 LIKE WHY COULDN'T THEY JUST STORE IT UP? 14:19.599 --> 14:20.500 AND THEN I REALIZE 14:20.600 --> 14:23.266 BECAUSE IT REPRESENTED WE NEED FRESH WORD 14:23.366 --> 14:25.000 FROM GOD EACH DAY 14:25.100 --> 14:27.266 AND THAT WE CAN'T LIVE OFF THE LEFTOVERS. 14:27.366 --> 14:29.333 LIKE GOD IS SO INTENTIONAL IN THE BIBLE. 14:29.433 --> 14:33.133 HE USES EVERYTHING TO TEACH US SOMETHING ABOUT HIM. 14:33.233 --> 14:36.099 OKAY, SO TALKING ABOUT THE MODERN CHURCH. 14:36.199 --> 14:37.733 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS 14:37.833 --> 14:40.066 THE WORSHIP OF CELEBRITY. 14:40.166 --> 14:42.799 YOU KNOW, BEING OBSESSED AS AMERICANS 14:42.899 --> 14:45.000 WITH SAVED, FAMOUS CELEBRITIES, 14:45.100 --> 14:46.033 CERTAIN PASTORS, 14:46.133 --> 14:47.699 EVEN WORSHIP LEADERS. 14:47.799 --> 14:50.299 WHAT DO YOU HAVE SAY ABOUT THAT? 14:50.399 --> 14:50.799 SUZY: BARF. 14:50.899 --> 14:51.766 [ LAUGHTER ] 14:51.866 --> 14:54.066 SUZY: I MEAN, HONESTLY. 14:54.166 --> 14:55.399 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY TRULY 14:55.499 --> 14:57.300 DOES INFURIATE ME? 14:57.400 --> 14:58.300 REBECCA: WHY? 14:58.400 --> 15:02.066 SUZY: BECAUSE, OKAY, SO WE ARE ALL FLESH, 15:02.166 --> 15:03.266 GOD-BREATHED INTO. 15:03.366 --> 15:05.099 WE ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS. 15:05.199 --> 15:06.500 IN FACT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MEET PEOPLE, 15:06.600 --> 15:08.933 AND THEY'RE LIKE, AND THEY SAY, AND I LOVE IT. 15:09.033 --> 15:10.066 THEY SAY IT WITH SUCH PURE HEARTS. 15:10.166 --> 15:10.832 AND THEY'RE LIKE, 15:10.932 --> 15:11.833 OH, IT'S SO GOOD TO MEET YOU. 15:11.933 --> 15:12.666 YOU'RE SO DOWN TO EARTH 15:12.766 --> 15:14.200 AND YOU'RE SO HUMBLE. 15:14.300 --> 15:16.566 I'M USUALLY ALWAYS LIKE THANK YOU. 15:16.666 --> 15:18.599 BUT I'M LIKE WHAT OTHER WAY IS THERE? 15:18.699 --> 15:20.366 LIKE WHAT DO WE HAVE TO BE PROUD ABOUT? 15:20.466 --> 15:21.166 IF WE ARE PROUD -- 15:21.266 --> 15:21.799 REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE. 15:21.899 --> 15:22.899 SUZY: WE'RE LIKE SATAN. 15:22.999 --> 15:24.199 THAT'S THE FATHER OF PRIDE. 15:24.299 --> 15:25.432 IF WE ARE OF GOD, 15:25.532 --> 15:28.000 WE ARE HUMBLE, LORD, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY 15:28.100 --> 15:29.833 TO DO ANYTHING THAT I DO. 15:29.933 --> 15:32.466 SO WHEN I SEE THE WHOLE CULTURE, 15:32.566 --> 15:33.199 AND YOU HAVE SOME AMAZING THINGS 15:33.299 --> 15:34.333 YOU'VE SAID TO ME. 15:34.433 --> 15:37.432 BUT WHEN I SEE THE WHOLE LIKE CULTURE OF CELEBRITY, 15:37.532 --> 15:38.799 YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THROUGH 2020, 15:38.899 --> 15:40.132 GOD HAS LIKE REALLY SWITCHED -- 15:40.232 --> 15:42.099 REBECCA: HE SHUT THAT DOWN. 15:42.199 --> 15:42.899 SUZY: BAM! 15:42.999 --> 15:44.066 REBECCA: THANK GOODNESS. 15:44.166 --> 15:45.499 SUZY: YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY HAVE AN AMAZING EXAMPLE 15:45.599 --> 15:46.332 GOD GAVE ME. 15:46.432 --> 15:47.133 REBECCA: TELL ME. 15:47.233 --> 15:47.899 SUZY: OH, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS. 15:47.999 --> 15:49.166 SO JEREMIAH THE PROPHET -- 15:49.266 --> 15:50.033 REBECCA: YEAH. 15:50.133 --> 15:50.900 SUZY: YOU KNOW, EVERYONE THINKS 15:51.000 --> 15:51.933 THAT WHEN YOU'RE ANOINTED 15:52.033 --> 15:54.332 AND YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GOD, 15:54.432 --> 15:55.833 FIRST OF ALL, MOTHER TERESA SAID, 15:55.933 --> 15:57.066 I'M NOT CALLED TO BE SUCCESSFUL, 15:57.166 --> 15:58.733 I'M CALLED TO BE FAITHFUL. 15:58.833 --> 16:00.433 AND LET'S TAKE JEREMIAH. 16:00.533 --> 16:02.366 SOMEONE SO OBEDIENT TO THE WORD OF GOD. 16:02.466 --> 16:03.133 AND HE HEARD EVERYTHING 16:03.233 --> 16:04.399 THAT GOD SAID. 16:04.499 --> 16:08.066 JEREMIAH, SO HE STARTED SUPER YOUNG. 16:08.166 --> 16:09.933 CONSTANT, CONSTANT REJECTION, 16:10.033 --> 16:11.466 PEOPLE NOT BELIEVING HIM. 16:11.566 --> 16:13.432 PROPHECIES, COME TO PASS. 16:13.532 --> 16:15.366 AND THEN I WAS READING IN JEREMIAH 45, 16:15.466 --> 16:17.766 NOW HE'S IN HIS MIDST 60S, OKAY. 16:17.866 --> 16:20.366 AND IT'S STILL A NONSTOP PATTERN OF PEOPLE DOUBTING HIM, 16:20.466 --> 16:21.733 CALLING HIM A LIAR. 16:21.833 --> 16:24.666 AND PROPHECIES HAVE COME TO PASS IN THE PAST. 16:24.766 --> 16:28.366 THEY'VE COME, BUT PEOPLE STILL, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE BLINDED. 16:28.466 --> 16:31.166 AND THEN I WAS READING ABOUT HIS ASSISTANT BARUCH. 16:31.266 --> 16:34.299 BARUCH WAS ACTUALLY OF HIGHER BIRTH THAN JEREMIAH. 16:34.399 --> 16:36.532 HE CAME FROM, YOU KNOW, A WEALTHIER FAMILY. 16:36.632 --> 16:38.933 SO HE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD LIVE THIS LIFE. 16:39.033 --> 16:41.366 HE BECAME JEREMIAH'S ASSISTANT YOUNG, 16:41.466 --> 16:44.966 AND HIS JOB WAS TO WRITE DOWN ALL OF JEREMIAH'S PROPHECIES. 16:45.066 --> 16:47.832 NOW AFTER YEARS, FROM YOUNG TO NOW, THEY'RE 16:47.932 --> 16:48.800 IN THEIR MID 60S. 16:48.900 --> 16:51.432 AND IN CHAPTER 45, BARUCH IS JUST WHINING 16:51.532 --> 16:53.499 AND COMPLAINING AND HE'S LIKE WHY IS IT -- 16:53.599 --> 16:56.199 IT'S LIKE HE WASTED HIS LIFE. 16:56.299 --> 16:58.100 AND LITERALLY GOD TELLS HIM, 16:58.200 --> 17:01.999 DO NOT SEEK SELF-AMBITION. 17:02.099 --> 17:03.133 DO NOT -- 17:03.233 --> 17:06.032 ARE YOU DOING THIS FOR YOUR SELF-PROMOTION? 17:06.132 --> 17:09.133 BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I HAVE CALLED YOU TO DO. 17:09.233 --> 17:10.200 AND THEN FROM TWO EXAMPLES, 17:10.300 --> 17:11.733 ON JEREMIAH'S SIDE, 17:11.833 --> 17:12.900 YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T GET WEARY. 17:13.000 --> 17:14.833 HE STILL SPOKE WHAT WAS UNPOPULAR, 17:14.933 --> 17:16.666 WHAT WAS FOUGHT AGAINST. 17:16.766 --> 17:17.733 BUT HE DID IT UNTO GOD. 17:17.833 --> 17:19.000 BARUCH ON THE OTHER SIDE, 17:19.100 --> 17:21.066 HE WANTED HIS LIFE TO MATTER. 17:21.166 --> 17:23.533 BUT GOD SAID DO NOT SEEK SELF-GREATNESS. 17:23.633 --> 17:25.266 SEEK TO BE HUMBLE BEFORE ME. 17:25.366 --> 17:27.366 AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, 17:27.466 --> 17:29.366 2500 YEARS LATER, 17:29.466 --> 17:32.766 BILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE READ WHAT HE WROTE DOWN FAITHFULLY. 17:32.866 --> 17:33.399 EVEN IF HE COMPLAINED, 17:33.499 --> 17:34.799 HE DID HIS JOB RIGHT. 17:34.899 --> 17:35.833 AND PEOPLE READ IT NOW, 17:35.933 --> 17:37.266 AND JEREMIAH, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS REJECTED, 17:37.366 --> 17:38.699 THINK ABOUT THE GENERATIONS 17:38.799 --> 17:39.766 THAT HAVE HONORED HIM. 17:39.866 --> 17:41.332 REBECCA: YOU KNOW, IN OUR CULTURE IN AMERICA, 17:41.432 --> 17:44.199 I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WITH CELEBRITY WORSHIP 17:44.299 --> 17:45.400 IS IN THE CHURCH IS THAT 17:45.500 --> 17:48.066 WE WORSHIPED CELEBRITIES IN AMERICA. 17:48.166 --> 17:49.366 THAT'S A VERY BIG PART OF OUR CULTURE. 17:49.466 --> 17:50.366 SUZY: LIKE AN IDOL. 17:50.466 --> 17:51.833 REBECCA: AMERICAN, LITERALLY AMERICAN IDOL. 17:51.933 --> 17:52.899 AND IT'S A BIG PART, 17:52.999 --> 17:55.566 IT'S BECOMING CULTURE ALL AROUND THE WORLD, 17:55.666 --> 17:58.033 BUT THAT HAS PERMEATED INTO THE CHURCHES. 17:58.133 --> 17:59.233 AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SIMILAR SETUPS. 17:59.333 --> 18:00.133 WE HAVE STAGES. 18:00.233 --> 18:01.299 WE HAVE LIGHTS. 18:01.399 --> 18:02.866 AND IN HUMAN WEAKNESS, 18:02.966 --> 18:04.599 WE LOOK AT SOMEONE ON THE STAGE, 18:04.699 --> 18:05.800 AND I THINK WE CAN ALMOST, 18:05.900 --> 18:07.299 BECAUSE WE CAN PHYSICALLY SEE THEM, 18:07.399 --> 18:10.366 AND WE CANNOT SEE IN THE SPIRIT AT ALL TIMES. 18:10.466 --> 18:11.666 WE CONNECT TO THAT PERSON, 18:11.766 --> 18:13.433 AND WE BEGIN TO IDOLIZE THAT PERSON 18:13.533 --> 18:15.366 AND WE PUT THAT PERSON ON A PLATFORM. 18:15.466 --> 18:16.766 AND THEN WE START GOING TO EVENTS 18:16.866 --> 18:18.066 BECAUSE OF THIS PERSON. 18:18.166 --> 18:19.866 AND THEN WE GET INFLUENCE, 18:19.966 --> 18:21.699 THIS PERSON GET INFLUENCE AND FOLLOWERS 18:21.799 --> 18:23.633 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE POPULAR. 18:23.733 --> 18:25.433 AND WE GET INTO CELEBRITY. 18:25.533 --> 18:27.633 AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO GET BACK TO IS 18:27.733 --> 18:28.833 WE NEED TO BE GOING TO EVENTS 18:28.933 --> 18:29.900 FOR THE LORD. 18:30.000 --> 18:31.466 WE DON'T NEED TO BE USING ALWAYS, 18:31.566 --> 18:33.066 IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT GOD CAN'T USE POPULAR PEOPLE. 18:33.166 --> 18:34.699 IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT GOD CAN'T USE CELEBRITIES. 18:34.799 --> 18:36.066 BUT WE DON'T NEED TO BE CHASING 18:36.166 --> 18:37.533 THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST. 18:37.633 --> 18:38.500 WE NEED TO BE ASKING GOD 18:38.600 --> 18:40.266 WHO IS ANOINTED 18:40.366 --> 18:41.666 AND GLORIFIES YOU 18:41.766 --> 18:42.499 AND IS HUMBLE. 18:42.599 --> 18:43.500 SUZY: YES. 18:43.600 --> 18:45.399 REBECCA: PUT THAT PERSON UP TO ANOINT THEM, 18:45.499 --> 18:47.533 AND THEN BE MATURE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST, 18:47.633 --> 18:50.700 AND KNOW GOD IS WORKING THROUGH THAT PERSON. 18:50.800 --> 18:52.066 IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PERSON. 18:52.166 --> 18:53.400 GOD SHOWED ME PRETTY YOUNG, 18:53.500 --> 18:55.366 HE ALLOWED ME TO SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S HUMANITY 18:55.466 --> 18:57.466 TO SHOW ME THEY'RE NOT PERFECT 18:57.566 --> 18:59.266 AND DON'T EXPECT THAT OF ANYONE. 18:59.366 --> 19:01.032 BUT UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN I, 19:01.132 --> 19:03.399 WHEN YOU WERE TOUCHED BY SOMEONE'S MINISTRY, 19:03.499 --> 19:05.399 THAT IS MY LOVE FOR YOU FLOWING THROUGH THEM 19:05.499 --> 19:06.866 AND TOUCHING YOU PERSONALLY. 19:06.966 --> 19:08.533 SO NOW WHEN I GET A WORD, 19:08.633 --> 19:10.032 NOW WHEN SOMEONE PRAYS FOR ME, 19:10.132 --> 19:11.466 OR I HEAR A REALLY GREAT MESSAGE, 19:11.566 --> 19:13.799 I ALWAYS CONNECT IT IMMEDIATELY TO GOD. 19:13.899 --> 19:14.899 AND IT TOUCHES ME BECAUSE I'M LIKE, 19:14.999 --> 19:15.666 GOD, I KNOW YOU LOVE ME. 19:15.766 --> 19:17.399 I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT ME. 19:17.499 --> 19:18.899 AND THEN I'M ABLE TO TREAT THE PERSON 19:18.999 --> 19:20.199 THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED. 19:20.299 --> 19:21.532 BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IDOLIZED. 19:21.632 --> 19:22.599 AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE 19:22.699 --> 19:24.066 THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO BE PUT ON PLATFORMS, 19:24.166 --> 19:25.732 AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR THAT. 19:25.832 --> 19:28.666 AND THERE'S REALLY ALSO INCREDIBLE AND GIFTED 19:28.766 --> 19:30.066 WORSHIP LEADERS AND PASTORS, 19:30.166 --> 19:31.032 THAT ARE JUST BEING OBEDIENT 19:31.132 --> 19:31.932 AND LIVING OUT THEIR LIFE, 19:32.032 --> 19:33.332 AND THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THIS INFLUENCE. 19:33.432 --> 19:34.200 AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE LIVING THEIR LIVES 19:34.300 --> 19:35.566 IN A HUMBLE WAY. 19:35.666 --> 19:37.666 AND THEY'RE SAYING DON'T DO THIS TO ME. 19:37.766 --> 19:39.766 SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE CHANGED 19:39.866 --> 19:41.332 IS AND I THINK COVID, 19:41.432 --> 19:42.699 WHAT I LOVE ABOUT COVID-19, 19:42.799 --> 19:45.166 IS I THINK IT REALLY SHUT THINGS DOWN. 19:45.266 --> 19:45.999 SUZY: YEAH. 19:46.099 --> 19:46.533 REBECCA: AND I THINK IT REALLY 19:46.633 --> 19:48.200 MADE THE CHURCH 19:48.300 --> 19:50.633 REEVALUATE WHY DO WE MEET? 19:50.733 --> 19:51.866 WHAT DO WE BELIEVE? 19:51.966 --> 19:53.466 WHAT IS IMPORTANT? 19:53.566 --> 19:55.533 WHAT IS OUR MISSION AND OUR PURPOSE? 19:55.633 --> 19:57.000 AND I THINK IT ALSO WAS 19:57.100 --> 19:59.466 WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO STAND UP FOR? 19:59.566 --> 20:01.799 BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER TRULY FACED, 20:01.899 --> 20:03.266 THERE IS -- THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST 20:03.366 --> 20:04.333 IS AT WORK IN THE WORLD, 20:04.433 --> 20:07.399 AND AMERICA IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE 20:07.499 --> 20:09.066 IN LINE WITH THAT, 20:09.166 --> 20:11.033 A MORE ANTICHRIST AGENDA. 20:11.133 --> 20:12.900 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COME FROM HISTORY 20:13.000 --> 20:15.333 OF THERE BEING GREAT MOVES OF GOD. 20:15.433 --> 20:16.366 THE FIRST GREAT AWAKENING. 20:16.466 --> 20:17.466 THE SECOND GREAT AWAKENING. 20:17.566 --> 20:18.500 THE AZUSA STREET REVIVAL. 20:18.600 --> 20:19.933 THE JESUS MOVEMENT. 20:20.033 --> 20:21.266 YOU KNOW, THE CHARISMATIC RENEWAL. 20:21.366 --> 20:23.500 SO GOD HAS BEEN MOVING GREATLY IN OUR COUNTRY FOR YEARS. 20:23.600 --> 20:25.333 SO THERE'S ALL THIS HISTORY, 20:25.433 --> 20:27.432 ALL THESE SEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN SOWN AS WELL. 20:27.532 --> 20:28.599 SUZY: RIGHT. 20:28.699 --> 20:30.066 REBECCA: BUT GETTING BACK TO IT, 20:30.166 --> 20:32.432 IS AT THE SAME TIME, 20:32.532 --> 20:35.532 I THINK WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO FACE PERSECUTION. 20:35.632 --> 20:36.766 AND I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR LIVES, 20:36.866 --> 20:38.066 WE'RE HAVING TO ASK YOURSELF, 20:38.166 --> 20:40.066 WHAT IS THE COST FOR FOLLOWING CHRIST? 20:40.166 --> 20:41.866 WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO SACRIFICE? 20:41.966 --> 20:44.232 ARE WE WILLING TO BE PUT IN JAIL? 20:44.332 --> 20:45.899 WE'VE NEVER HAD TO FACE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE. 20:45.999 --> 20:47.366 WELL, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. 20:47.466 --> 20:49.966 AND SO I THINK IT'S BEEN GOOD FOR US 20:50.066 --> 20:51.466 BECAUSE IT'S REMINDING US 20:51.566 --> 20:53.599 OF WHAT'S IMPORTANT. 20:53.699 --> 20:54.666 AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING 20:54.766 --> 20:55.699 ABOUT SUCCESS, 20:55.799 --> 20:57.166 AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ON HERE IS 20:57.266 --> 20:58.366 WHAT IS SUCCESS? 20:58.466 --> 20:59.433 AND I THINK FOR A LONG TIME, 20:59.533 --> 21:01.133 FOR PEOPLE, IT WAS NUMBERS. 21:01.233 --> 21:03.166 AND IT WAS HOW COOL YOUR CONFERENCE WAS 21:03.266 --> 21:05.033 AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE GOING. 21:05.133 --> 21:06.266 AND HOW MANY PEOPLE BOUGHT Y'ALL'S 21:06.366 --> 21:07.633 CHURCH'S WORSHIP ALBUM. 21:07.733 --> 21:09.066 OR HOW MANY PEOPLE -- 21:09.166 --> 21:10.133 SUZY: FOLLOW YOU ON INSTAGRAM. 21:10.233 --> 21:11.733 REBECCA: YEAH, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING 21:11.833 --> 21:13.333 THAT NUMBERS AND STUFF ARE BAD. 21:13.433 --> 21:16.800 I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING DEEPER. 21:16.900 --> 21:20.066 AND IT'S A PEOPLE NOT JUST GETTING SAVED 21:20.166 --> 21:21.066 OR COMING TO CHURCH, 21:21.166 --> 21:23.266 BUT A PEOPLE WHO ARE TRANSFORMED, 21:23.366 --> 21:25.333 WHO ARE ABLE TO ENDURE TO THE END 21:25.433 --> 21:26.533 AND STAND BEFORE GOD 21:26.633 --> 21:28.900 AND HE CAN SAY, WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT. 21:29.000 --> 21:29.999 THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. 21:30.099 --> 21:31.233 SUZY: YES. 21:31.333 --> 21:36.066 REBECCA: YOU KNOW, AND SO I WANT US TO JUST FOCUS ON THAT. 21:36.166 --> 21:37.500 YOU KNOW, AND BE WILLING 21:37.600 --> 21:39.532 TO DO WHAT'S NOT POPULAR. 21:39.632 --> 21:42.333 AND I THINK THE CHURCH REALLY BEGINNING TO -- 21:42.433 --> 21:43.466 BECAUSE IN AMERICA, 21:43.566 --> 21:45.833 LIKE I SAID WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH CHRISTIANITY, 21:45.933 --> 21:47.300 BUT WE'RE LIVING IN A DAY 21:47.400 --> 21:48.866 WHERE I'M SEEING MORE AND MORE MINISTERS 21:48.966 --> 21:50.866 CENSOR THE GOSPEL. 21:50.966 --> 21:53.199 AND I HAD -- SOMEONE THAT CAME THROUGH DAYSTAR 21:53.299 --> 21:54.133 THEY USED THAT WORD CENSOR. 21:54.233 --> 21:54.999 BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES 21:55.099 --> 21:56.566 PEOPLE USE THE WORD WATERED-DOWN. 21:56.666 --> 21:57.699 BUT I LIKE THE WORD CENSOR 21:57.799 --> 22:00.633 BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THEY'RE WITHHOLDING SOME TRUTH. 22:00.733 --> 22:03.332 BUT THE GOSPEL, LIKE OUR FAVORITE TEACHER 22:03.432 --> 22:04.700 DEREK PRINCE SAID, 22:04.800 --> 22:05.966 HE SAID IT'S SIMPLE. 22:06.066 --> 22:08.400 AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT. 22:08.500 --> 22:10.799 AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL ALL OF IT. 22:10.899 --> 22:12.600 BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYONE FAVORS 22:12.700 --> 22:13.566 BY CENSORING IT. 22:13.666 --> 22:15.599 BUT IT'S LIKE BECAUSE -- 22:15.699 --> 22:17.099 I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAPPENS, 22:17.199 --> 22:18.900 BUT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS 22:19.000 --> 22:21.433 IS BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF LOSING INFLUENCE 22:21.533 --> 22:22.666 AND LOSING FOLLOWERS, 22:22.766 --> 22:24.033 BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THE WHOLE TRUTH, 22:24.133 --> 22:26.566 HOW CAN THEY BE SET UP FOR SUCCESS? 22:26.666 --> 22:27.233 SUZY: IT'S SO TRUE. 22:27.333 --> 22:28.366 AND, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES 22:28.466 --> 22:30.666 WITH THIS WORLD OF CELEBRITY CHRISTIAN. 22:30.766 --> 22:33.332 IT CAME TO A POINT OF HOW COOL IS YOUR MESSAGE? 22:33.432 --> 22:35.132 HOW CATCHY IS IT? 22:35.232 --> 22:36.199 REBECCA: HOW FUNNY ARE YOU? 22:36.299 --> 22:37.233 SUZY: HOW FUNNY ARE YOU? 22:37.333 --> 22:39.500 LIKE IT'S ALL ABOUT CHARISMA AND PERSONALITY 22:39.600 --> 22:40.933 VERSUS OUR FAVORITE TEACHERS, 22:41.033 --> 22:41.900 LIKE DEREK PRINCE SAID 22:42.000 --> 22:43.400 I HEARD HIM RECENTLY SAY, 22:43.500 --> 22:44.400 IF SOMEBODY COMES TO HIM, 22:44.500 --> 22:46.032 AND SAYS, WOW, THAT WAS A DEEP MESSAGE. 22:46.132 --> 22:48.066 HE SAYS, OH, NO, HE SOMETIMES SAYS, 22:48.166 --> 22:49.500 LORD, I WANTED TO BE SIMPLE 22:49.600 --> 22:50.866 FOR A CHILD TO UNDERSTAND. 22:50.966 --> 22:51.732 AND I LOVE THAT. 22:51.832 --> 22:53.633 IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW DEEP YOU CAN GO. 22:53.733 --> 22:55.966 AND THEN ALSO 22:56.066 --> 22:56.933 SMITH WIGGLESWORTH. 22:57.033 --> 22:57.666 REBECCA: I LOVE HIM. 22:57.766 --> 22:58.366 SUZY: LOVE HIM, RIGHT? 22:58.466 --> 22:59.299 WHAT A DYNAMIC MAN OF GOD. 22:59.399 --> 23:01.833 BUT HE SAID I'D RATHER ONE PERSON 23:01.933 --> 23:04.466 FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SALVATION MESSAGE 23:04.566 --> 23:05.433 AND BE SAVED 23:05.533 --> 23:07.532 RATHER THAN TEN THOUSAND BE HEALED. 23:07.632 --> 23:08.333 I WAS SHOOK. 23:08.433 --> 23:09.199 I WAS LIKE WHAT? 23:09.299 --> 23:10.933 BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS GIFT, HEALING. 23:11.033 --> 23:11.866 REBECCA: YEAH, HE WAS A HEALING MINISTER. 23:11.966 --> 23:13.066 SUZY: BUT HE KNEW GOD'S HEART. 23:13.166 --> 23:15.266 AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK TO JEREMIAH 40, 45, 23:15.366 --> 23:16.299 THROUGH THOSE CHAPTERS, 23:16.399 --> 23:18.299 YOU KNOW, I WAS CRYING JUST YESTERDAY. 23:18.399 --> 23:19.733 BECAUSE IT'S SO MANY TIMES 23:19.833 --> 23:21.733 GOD WAS LIKE GO TO THEM ONE MORE TIME 23:21.833 --> 23:23.400 IN CASE THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND. 23:23.500 --> 23:23.966 REBECCA: I KNOW. 23:24.066 --> 23:26.366 GOD TRIES SO HARD. 23:26.466 --> 23:28.200 HE LOVES US SO MUCH. 23:28.300 --> 23:29.166 SUZY: SO MUCH. 23:29.266 --> 23:29.766 REBECCA: AND THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE WE NEED 23:29.866 --> 23:30.700 TO RESPOND TO THIS, 23:30.800 --> 23:32.333 WE NEED TO RECEIVE THAT LOVE, 23:32.433 --> 23:34.033 AND THEN WE NEED TO RESPOND TO IT PROPERLY. 23:34.133 --> 23:35.533 LIKE GOD DESERVES BETTER. 23:35.633 --> 23:36.333 SUZY: YES. 23:36.433 --> 23:37.166 REBECCA: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 23:37.266 --> 23:37.966 HE DESERVES THE BEST FROM US. 23:38.066 --> 23:39.533 HE DESERVES ALL OF US. 23:39.633 --> 23:41.833 AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS 23:41.933 --> 23:43.133 I REMEMBER MARCUS BRECHEEN, 23:43.233 --> 23:44.466 HE'S A PASTOR AT GATEWAY, 23:44.566 --> 23:45.566 HE DID A WHOLE SERMON 23:45.666 --> 23:48.200 ABOUT HOW THE BEAST OF THE EAST, 23:48.300 --> 23:50.166 WHAT THE CHURCH FACES IN THE EAST, 23:50.266 --> 23:52.666 IS PERSECUTION AND THAT IS THEIR MAIN ISSUE. 23:52.766 --> 23:56.199 BUT HE SAID THE BEAST OF THE WEST IS SEDUCTION. 23:56.299 --> 23:57.766 AND I'M LIKE, OH, IT'S SO TRUE. 23:57.866 --> 23:58.899 AND THERE'S A MILLION THINGS FIGHTING 23:58.999 --> 24:00.166 FOR OUR ATTENTION. 24:00.266 --> 24:01.433 THERE'S A MILLION THINGS 24:01.533 --> 24:03.399 DISTRACTING US AND FIGHTING FOR OUR TIME. 24:03.499 --> 24:05.733 AND SO I FEEL LIKE AS A BELIEVER, AS A CHRISTIAN, 24:05.833 --> 24:07.433 AND WHY I CAN SPEAK TO THIS STUFF 24:07.533 --> 24:09.266 IS BECAUSE I USED TO BE -- 24:09.366 --> 24:10.900 DO THIS KIND OF STUFF, TOO. 24:11.000 --> 24:13.199 LIKE I USED TO LOVE CERTAIN THINGS AND STUFF. 24:13.299 --> 24:15.366 BUT WHEN I KNOW BETTER, 24:15.466 --> 24:16.466 I WANT TO DO BETTER. 24:16.566 --> 24:17.633 AND SO LIKE I SAID, 24:17.733 --> 24:19.366 THERE'S A MILLION THINGS FIGHTING FOR OUR AFFECTION. 24:19.466 --> 24:21.266 THERE'S A MILLION THINGS FIGHTING FOR OUR TIME. 24:21.366 --> 24:22.000 AND THERE'S A MILLION THINGS 24:22.100 --> 24:23.833 THAT WE CAN TURN TO 24:23.933 --> 24:27.900 AND SEEK OUT COMFORT INSTEAD OF THE LORD. 24:28.000 --> 24:29.733 AND WHAT I REALIZED AS A BELIEVER, 24:29.833 --> 24:31.233 IS THAT FOR ME, 24:31.333 --> 24:33.766 I'M NOT BEING PERSECUTED, REALLY, AS MUCH. 24:33.866 --> 24:36.633 I'M BEING TEMPTED. 24:36.733 --> 24:38.399 SUZY: YEAH, DISTRACTED. 24:38.499 --> 24:39.366 REBECCA: TEMPTED NOT ONLY WITH THINGS, 24:39.466 --> 24:42.433 BUT WITH APATHY, DISTRACTION, LAZINESS. 24:42.533 --> 24:43.466 THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH. 24:43.566 --> 24:45.333 AND I FEEL LIKE HERE BEING A BELIEVER 24:45.433 --> 24:47.999 IS MORE ABOUT DISCIPLINE 24:48.099 --> 24:50.332 AND KEEPING YOUR HEART PURE 24:50.432 --> 24:52.232 AND NOT FILLING IT UP WITH IDOLS. 24:52.332 --> 24:54.500 BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TO CHASE HERE. 24:54.600 --> 24:55.433 SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT. 24:55.533 --> 24:56.733 REBECCA: YOU KNOW, HAPPINESS, WEALTH, 24:56.833 --> 24:58.799 SUCCESS, INFLUENCE. 24:58.899 --> 25:01.166 AND THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING AFTER THOSE THINGS 25:01.266 --> 25:02.233 IN OUR CULTURE. 25:02.333 --> 25:03.333 AND YET GOD IS CALLING US 25:03.433 --> 25:05.133 TO SEEK HIM AND SEEK HIM ALONE. 25:05.233 --> 25:07.299 HUMILITY, PATIENCE, PERSEVERANCE, 25:07.399 --> 25:08.499 ENDURING THROUGH SUFFERING. 25:08.599 --> 25:09.833 SUZY: WOW. 25:09.933 --> 25:11.333 REBECCA: YOU KNOW, IN AMERICA, THEY'RE JUST CHASING PLEASURE. 25:11.433 --> 25:13.299 WE'RE LITERALLY LIKE A HEDONISTIC CULTURE. 25:13.399 --> 25:14.132 SUZY: YEAH. 25:14.232 --> 25:15.800 REBECCA: AND SO THE TEMPTATION 25:15.900 --> 25:17.200 IS NOT TO CONFORM TO THAT. 25:17.300 --> 25:18.066 SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT. 25:18.166 --> 25:18.633 REBECCA: BUT TO BE DISCIPLINED. 25:18.733 --> 25:19.699 AND IT'S HARD. 25:19.799 --> 25:21.466 AND YOU KNOW YOU AND I BOTH TALK ABOUT THIS. 25:21.566 --> 25:23.266 AND I THANK GOD FOR HIS GRACE AND HIS MERCY 25:23.366 --> 25:25.233 BECAUSE HE GETS ME ON TRACK SO MANY TIMES. 25:25.333 --> 25:26.466 I MEAN, I'M THANKFUL FOR REPENTANCE. 25:26.566 --> 25:27.899 LIKE IT'S NOT A DIRTY WORD. 25:27.999 --> 25:28.733 IT'S A GOOD WORD. 25:28.833 --> 25:29.966 YOU CAN DO IT QUICK. 25:30.066 --> 25:31.500 THERE'S NO SHAME ATTACHED IT TO. 25:31.600 --> 25:32.599 THERE'S NO GUILT 25:32.699 --> 25:34.233 AND THEN YOU GET RIGHT BACK ON THE RIGHT PATH. 25:34.333 --> 25:35.233 SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT. 25:35.333 --> 25:35.999 REBECCA: AND I JUST LOVE THAT ABOUT GOD. 25:36.099 --> 25:37.266 SUZY: I LOVE THAT ABOUT GOD. 25:37.366 --> 25:38.266 BECAUSE ALL OF US KNOW 25:38.366 --> 25:39.466 HOW MUCH WE NEED GRACE. 25:39.566 --> 25:41.899 AND IT'S NOT ABOUT EVER BEING PERFECT. 25:41.999 --> 25:42.866 WE'LL NEVER BE PERFECT 25:42.966 --> 25:44.332 UNTIL THE DAY JESUS COMES. 25:44.432 --> 25:46.799 BUT IT'S ABOUT THAT EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT LIFESTYLE 25:46.899 --> 25:47.766 THAT YOU CAN OFFER GOD. 25:47.866 --> 25:49.766 REBECCA: AND ALLOWING GOD TO CHANGE US. 25:49.866 --> 25:50.666 SUZY: YES. 25:50.766 --> 25:51.266 REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT HIS GRACE IS, 25:51.366 --> 25:52.333 IS ALLOWING HIM TO DO 25:52.433 --> 25:54.266 WHAT WE CANNOT DO IN OUR OWN FLESH. 25:54.366 --> 25:55.399 BUT YOU DON'T STAY THE SAME. 25:55.499 --> 25:56.366 SUZY: NO. 25:56.466 --> 25:58.399 REBECCA: AND WE DON'T EVER STOP GROWING 25:58.499 --> 26:00.266 UNTIL WE MEET HIM FACE TO FACE. 26:00.366 --> 26:01.466 SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT. 26:01.566 --> 26:02.366 REBECCA: WELL, THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD CONVERSATION. 26:02.466 --> 26:03.366 SUZY: SO GOOD. 26:03.466 --> 26:04.966 REBECCA: THEY KEPT COUNTING US DOWN ON TIME. 26:05.066 --> 26:07.166 AND I WAS LIKE I DON'T WANT TO STOP. 26:07.266 --> 26:08.966 THIS IS THE QUICKEST 30 MINUTES OF MY LIFE. 26:09.066 --> 26:10.099 I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG THIS WAS. 26:10.199 --> 26:11.233 SUZY: BECAUSE OUR PHONE CONVERSATIONS 26:11.333 --> 26:12.133 ARE LIKE THIS. 26:12.233 --> 26:13.199 REBECCA: AND WE CAN KEEP GOING. 26:13.299 --> 26:14.333 LIKE LET'S BE HONEST. 26:14.433 --> 26:15.300 SUZY: BUT, YOU KNOW, BECCA, I WANTED TO SAY, 26:15.400 --> 26:16.199 I'M SO PROUD OF YOU. 26:16.299 --> 26:17.566 AND I'M SO THANKFUL FOR YOUR PODCAST. 26:17.666 --> 26:19.533 BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE BIBLE SAYS, 26:19.633 --> 26:21.266 IN SCRIPTURE IT SAYS, 26:21.366 --> 26:23.366 IT IS A SIN TO KNOW WHAT TO DO 26:23.466 --> 26:24.766 AND NOT DO IT. 26:24.866 --> 26:26.366 AND SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. 26:26.466 --> 26:28.099 AND YOU SIT HERE IN YOUR BOLDNESS, 26:28.199 --> 26:30.100 AND THE ANOINTING OF GOD IN YOU 26:30.200 --> 26:31.733 AND UPON YOU. 26:31.833 --> 26:33.799 AND I KNOW THAT AS YOUR PODCAST GOES THROUGH 26:33.899 --> 26:35.166 SOME DARK PLACES, 26:35.266 --> 26:37.399 IT WILL ILLUMINATE WITH INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE. 26:37.499 --> 26:40.000 AND THEN AS PEOPLE LISTEN, 26:40.100 --> 26:42.066 THEN THEY KNOW, OKAY, THIS HAS TO CHANGE 26:42.166 --> 26:43.333 BECAUSE IT IS A SIN TO KNOW IT 26:43.433 --> 26:44.699 AND NOT DO IT. 26:44.799 --> 26:46.466 SO THANK YOU FOR BEING BOLD 26:46.566 --> 26:48.066 WITH YOUR SWORD OF THE SPIRIT 26:48.166 --> 26:49.499 AND GOING INTO THE DARK PLACES 26:49.599 --> 26:50.966 AND SPREADING THE TRUTH OF GOD. 26:51.066 --> 26:51.732 I'M SO PROUD OF YOU. 26:51.832 --> 26:52.566 REBECCA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. 26:52.666 --> 26:53.766 THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD WORD, 26:53.866 --> 26:54.999 AND I RECEIVE IT. 26:55.099 --> 26:56.666 THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR HEART WITH US, 26:56.766 --> 26:58.333 YOUR LIFE, YOUR EXPERIENCES, 26:58.433 --> 27:00.299 THE WISDOM THAT GOD HAS TAUGHT YOU 27:00.399 --> 27:01.266 WITH ALL THESE YEARS. 27:01.366 --> 27:02.266 I'M SO PROUD OF YOU. 27:02.366 --> 27:03.099 SUZY: THANK YOU. 27:03.199 --> 27:04.133 REBECCA: AND I LOVE YOU SO MUCH. 27:04.333 --> 27:05.999 REBECCA: HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING TODAY. 27:06.233 --> 27:07.033 REBECCA: HEY! 27:07.133 --> 27:07.766 AND YOU 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