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REBECCA: WELL, I'M REALLY EXCITED
BECAUSE I HAVE SUZY LAMB ON THE SHOW WITH US TODAY.
SHE'S A TEACHER, AN EVANGELIST,
AND SHE'S BEEN MY SISTER FOR OVER TEN YEARS.
WELCOME, SUZY LAMB.
SUZY: WHOO!
I AM SO EXCITED AND HONORED TO BE HERE WITH YOU.
REBECCA: I WAS LIKE I KNEW I COULD CALL ON YOU.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
IS YOU ARE THE PERSON
THAT I CAN TALK TO.
YOU'RE LIKE MY IRON THAT SHARPENS IRON.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SISTERS FOR TEN YEARS.
SUZY: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT OUR RELATIONSHIP
REALLY HAS KIND OF EVOLVED.
I THINK WE BOTH HAVE GROWN UP SPIRITUALLY.
AND NOW YOU'RE THE PERSON,
OF ONE OF THE PEOPLE
THAT I CAN REALLY GO TO
AND TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF WITH.
SO WHAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW
IS THAT WE HAVE THESE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS
ALL THE TIME.
SUZY: ALL THE TIME.
REBECCA: BUT KNOW WE FINALLY
HAVE LIKE A PLATFORM
THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS ON.
SUZY: YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, BECCA, PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME
SO MANY TIMES
YOU AND BECCA
Y'ALL SEEM TO HAVE SUCH GOOD CHEMISTRY.
Y'ALL SHOULD DO SOMETHING TOGETHER.
AND I WAS LIKE
YOU KNOW WHAT?
SOME DAY I HOPE.
AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I'M SO HONORED.
REBECCA: I'M SO EXCITED.
AND I ACTUALLY CALLED YOU
LIKE LAST WEEK AND I WAS LIKE
THIS IS WHAT'S ON MY HEART.
AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, I LOVE IT
AND THEN WE JUST STARTED TALKING BACK AND FORTH,
BACK AND FORTH.
AND THEN WHEN I WAS TALKING TO MY PRODUCER,
ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO,
I WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT?
I THINK I WANT TO DO THIS WITH SUZY,
THIS CONVERSATION,
BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS.
[ LAUGHTER ]
REBECCA: BUT I WANT TO SAY,
I HAVE MY TALKING POINTS HERE.
BEFORE I GET INTO THIS,
YOU KNOW, I WAS PRAYING,
AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT
REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE
IN THE MODERN CHURCH TODAY.
SUZY: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY STARTING OFF LIKE
THIS ISN'T COMING FROM A HATEFUL OR CRITICAL PLACE.
THAT'S NOT OUR HEART.
OUR HEART IS TO SEE PEOPLE DRAW CLOSER TO GOD.
AND WHEN I WAS PRAYING
AND I WAS ASKING GOD ABOUT THIS,
I SAID, GOD, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS
IF THIS ISN'T YOU.
LIKE I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS PODCAST
IF IT'S NOT GOD.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS GOD SHOWED ME
IS THAT HE'S CALLING HIS CHURCH
IN AMERICA, THE MODERN CHURCH,
BACK TO HIM.
YOU KNOW, HE WANTS US TO BE CLOSE TO HIM,
CLOSER TO HIM.
SO IT'S NEVER, WHEN GOD BECKONS US,
WHEN HE CALLS US,
IT'S NEVER FROM A CRITICAL PLACE
OR A SHAMEFUL PLACE.
GOD NEVER USES SHAME, PERIOD.
IT'S ALWAYS FROM A PLACE OF LOVE.
BUT HE WANTS US TO DRAW
EVEN CLOSER TO HIM.
AND SO ALL OF THIS
IS JUST STUFF THAT WE'RE SEEING
THAT WE WANT CHANGED
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MORE.
LIKE I'M NOT SATISFIED,
WE CAN JUST START RIGHT HERE.
I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH WHAT I'M SEEING TODAY.
I KNOW THERE'S MORE OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE,
BUT I GREW UP IN A SPIRIT-FILLED CHURCH.
BUT I REALLY DIDN'T REALLY EVER SEE
THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT OPERATE IN THE CHURCH.
AND I KNEW MY PARENTS HAD SEEN THAT,
AND THEY WOULD OPERATE IN THAT.
AND THEY HAD, MY DAD HOSTED REVIVAL.
THIS WAS BEFORE -- EITHER I WAS REALLY LITTLE,
OR IT WAS BEFORE I WAS BORN.
BUT LIKE I NEVER SAW THEM IN CHURCH GROWING UP.
AND I REMEMBER GETTING TO BIBLE SCHOOL
AND TAKING A CLASS ABOUT LIKE
PENTECOSTAL REVIVALS AND LIKE
THE MOVEMENT OF THE SPIRIT.
AND I THINK ALMOST ALL THE STUDENTS
WERE LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN LIKE A WORD OF KNOWLEDGE,
OR THIS OR THIS OR THAT.
AND WE WERE ALL SPIRIT-FILLED.
DID YOU KIND OF SEE THAT STUFF GROWING UP?
SUZY: YOU KNOW, I KIND OF DID.
LIKE IN OUR CHURCH,
I WOULD SEE SOMETIMES THAT LIKE,
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TOO MUCH.
BUT SOMETIMES A PERSON WOULD MANIFEST.
AND I WOULD SEE THE BODY OF CHRIST LIKE COME TOGETHER
AND LIKE REBUKE THAT.
AND, I MEAN, I WAS FIVE OR SIX YEARS OLD,
AND I REALIZED THE POWER.
AND I REMEMBER, THIS IS ACTUALLY A KIND
OF PERSONAL STORY.
I DIDN'T THINK I'D EVER TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT MY SISTER, WHEN SHE WAS A TEENAGER IN COLLEGE,
HER BEST FRIEND PASSED AWAY.
AND THE ELDERS OF THE CHURCH,
SHE SAID, DAD, I WANT THE ELDERS TO COME.
AND WE PRAYED OVER THAT BODY FOR HOURS.
AND, YOU KNOW, ME BEING SO YOUNG,
IT WAS NORMAL.
I FEEL LIKE IN OTHER COUNTRIES --
REBECCA: WAIT, ARE YOU SERIOUS?
SUZY: SERIOUSLY.
AND SHE, SHE DIED,
THAT WAS GOD'S PLAN.
AND WE HAD PEACE WITH IT,
BUT THAT NOT A WASTE.
TO ME, THAT WAS PRACTICING FAITH.
REBECCA: SO YOU SAW THAT KIND OF STUFF GROWING UP.
AND I WILL SAY I KNOW ONE STORY
ABOUT HERE SOMEONE RISING FROM THE DEAD,
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY DAD.
HE WAS PREACHING
BECAUSE HE USED TO BE A TRAVELING EVANGELIST.
AND HE WAS PREACHING
AND THERE WAS A GUY
THAT DIED IN THE SERVICE.
HIS DAUGHTER WAS THERE.
SHE WAS A NURSE.
AND SHE PRONOUNCED HIM DEAD,
BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW THEY CAN CHECK THE PULSE.
SUZY: YEAH.
REBECCA: THERE WAS NO PULSE THERE.
AND MY DAD WENT OVER
AND PRAYED FOR HIM.
AND HE CAME BACK.
SUZY: WHAT?
REBECCA: I THINK HE DIED OF LIKE
A HEART ATTACK OF SOMETHING.
I KNOW.
IS THAT NOT CRAZY?
SUZY: I DON'T KNOW THIS STORY.
THIS IS AMAZING.
REBECCA: YEAH, BUT JUST GOING BACK TO IT,
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE
THAT STUFF GROWING UP.
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU DID SEE IT GROWING UP,
BECAUSE I THINK ALMOST IN INDIA,
IT'S LIKE THE SPIRITUAL WARFARE WAS MORE REAL.
IT'S HAPPENING JUST AS MUCH HERE,
BUT IT'S MORE HIDDEN.
BUT IN INDIA, THERE'S LIKE -- THE OPPOSITION IS CLEAR.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY
OF THE COUNTRY,
THERE'S A LOT OF HINDUS,
A LOT OF HINDUISM.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MUSLIMS.
SUZY: YEAH.
REBECCA: SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT
WHAT IT WAS LIKE GROWING UP
KIND OF LIKE THE MINORITY,
INSTEAD OF THE MAJORITY?
SUZY: SURE, YOU KNOW, SO BEING ONLY LESS
THAN THREE PERCENT OF --
REBECCA: OH, WOW, THAT SMALL?
SUZY: YEAH.
IN A COUNTRY OF WHAT?
OVER A BILLION PEOPLE?
REBECCA: YEAH.
SUZY: WHEN YOU ARE THAT SMALL,
THE CHURCH HAS TO STAY TIGHT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I ACTUALLY
REALLY APPRECIATED.
REBECCA: OH, STAND TOGETHER.
SUZY: IT'S REALLY TRUE.
MOST OF MY FRIENDS THAT I GREW UP WITH
IN CHURCH OBVIOUSLY WERE LIKE-MINDED.
BUT IN SCHOOL, EVERYONE WAS EITHER, YOU KNOW,
LIKE NOT PRACTICING HINDU, MUSLIM.
THEY WERE VERY CHILL ABOUT THINGS.
REBECCA: YOU WERE IN A MORE SECULAR PART OF INDIA.
BECAUSE YOU WERE IN WHAT WAS BOMBAY NOW CALLED MUMBAI.
SO YOU WERE KIND OF LIKE THE BOLLYWOOD.
SUZY: RIGHT.
IN THE HEART OF BOLLYWOOD LITERALLY.
REBECCA: EXACTLY.
IT'S LIKE THE HOLLYWOOD OF INDIA.
SUZY: RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I DID SEE --
REBECCA: SO A LOT OF WEALTH.
SUZY: YUP.
AND WHAT I DID SEE THOUGH,
YEAH, LIKE WITH MY FRIENDS AND STUFF,
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE LITERALLY THEIR GOD WAS
NOT EVEN THE HINDU IDOLS.
THEIR GOD WAS THEIR WEALTH.
IT WAS QUITE AMAZING TO SEE.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE,
BEING IN INDIA,
YOU ALSO SEE THE EXTREME OPPOSITE
WITH POVERTY ON THE STREETS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SEEING THAT IN THE CHURCH,
IT MADE ME REALLY STRONG
IN MY BELIEFS WHEN I STEPPED OUT.
BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS OUR CORE,
THIS WAS OUR FAMILY.
SO WHEN I STEPPED OUT,
AND I WOULD SEE LOST PEOPLE,
THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING INSIDE
THAT WAS LIKE
WE'RE SET APART.
AND IN LIVING THAT WAY,
MY MOM AND DAD WERE VERY STRONG ABOUT MANY THINGS
INCLUDING SAY, YOGA.
I KNOW IT'S VERY COMMON IN AMERICA.
IN INDIA, IF YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN,
YOU KNOW STAY AWAY FROM YOGA.
IF IT'S THINGS LIKE
FESTIVALS AND STUFF,
MY PARENTS ALWAYS KEPT ME APART.
AND AS A CHILD,
I DIDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND.
I WANTED TO GO CELEBRATE AND DO
ALL THE THINGS --
REBECCA: YEAH, YOU WANT TO DO WHAT
EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING.
SUZY: YEAH.
BUT NOW AS A GROWN UP,
I'M LIKE THANK GOD YOU PROTECTED ME
AND YOU SHUT THAT DOOR.
AND THAT'S THE THING ABOUT A COUNTRY
WHERE YOU'RE LESS THAN THREE PERCENT,
YOUR RULES ARE STRONG.
YOU KNOW THESE ARE THE BOUNDARIES,
AND BOUNDARIES ARE THERE FOR SECURITY.
WE'RE SECURE IN THE BOUNDARIES OF GOD.
WE DON'T STEP OUTSIDE TO THE DEMONIC STUFF.
BUT IN AMERICA,
THERE'S SUCH LOOSE INFORMATION.
THERE'S NO STRONG BOUNDARIES.
THERE'S NO SECURITY.
SO PEOPLE, EVERYTHING IS KIND OF LIKE PERMISSIBLE.
REBECCA: WHAT WAS IT LIKE COMING
FROM THIS PLACE WHERE YOU'RE THE MINORITY
AND THEN COMING TO A PLACE
WHERE CHRISTIANITY WAS COMMON PLACE,
BUT IT WAS A LITTLE DISTORTED, WATERED-DOWN,
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
SUZY: HONESTLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, BEC, HALF OF IT
SCARED ME A LITTLE BIT,
BECAUSE IT FRUSTRATED ME
WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE AS A TEENAGER.
I WAS JUST LIKE CONFUSED.
BUT I HAVE TO BE HONEST,
LIKE AS THE YEARS WENT,
IT JUST, YOU KIND OF BLEND IN A LITTLE BIT.
LIKE IN INDIA, MY MOM AND DAD WERE LIKE
HALLOWEEN NEVER, EVER, YOU KNOW.
AND I KNEW IT.
WITH MY CHILDREN NEVER.
THEN AS THE YEARS PAST,
AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THEY WANT TO GET CANDY.
LET THEM GET CANDY
AND WEAR A CUTE LITTLE OUTFIT.
AND I HAVE TO SAY THIS YEAR
AFTER YOU DID YOUR HALLOWEEN PODCAST,
YOU KNOW, YOUR CHILDREN ARE TRAINED TO BE SPONGES,
THAT'S HOW GOD HAS MADE THEM.
AND I DO NOT KEEP THESE THINGS
AWAY FROM MY CHILDREN.
I MADE ISRAEL, BECAUSE HE'S VERY STRONG
IN HIS BELIEFS.
REBECCA: YEAH, HE IS.
SUZY: AND HE FULLY ABSORBED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
AND HE SAW THE AUTHORITY YOU SPOKE IN, BEC.
AND IT INFUSED ME
WITH THIS POWER AND PASSION
AND JONATHAN AND WE STOOD UP AND WE SAID NO, NOT EVER.
WE WILL NEVER.
REBECCA: REALLY?
SUZY: YES, AND YOU WERE SUCH A HUGE PART OF THAT
IN LIKE GIVING ME THAT STRENGTH,
AS TO WHY I'M SAYING NO.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOUR KIDS
THEY HAVE THE SOFT PART OF YOUR HEART.
AND HE WAS LIKE PLEASE, MOM, IT'S JUST
A LITTLE BIT OF CANDY.
ALL MY FRIENDS ARE OUT THERE.
THE OLD ME WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE FINE.
NOPE, NOT ANYMORE.
BECAUSE YOU EXPOSED THE DEMONIC STUFF.
SEE, BECAUSE OF KNOWLEDGE --
NO KNOWLEDGE PEOPLE PERISH.
BUT WHEN YOU KNOW,
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU
BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVING THE KNOWLEDGE
AS TO WHY WE STAY AWAY FROM CERTAIN THINGS.
WHY?
NOT JUST, NOT TO BE LEGALISTIC,
BUT THERE'S A REASON.
REBECCA: FIRST OF ALL,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THAT.
THAT WAS REALLY ENCOURAGING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT EVEN CAME FROM
IT'S LIKE I GREW UP CELEBRATING HALLOWEEN.
AND MY MOM DID IT IN A VERY LIKE INNOCENT WAY.
SHE WOULD LIKE, SHE WOULD LIKE STAPLE OR TAPE,
SHE WOULD TAPE TRACTS,
LIKE TRACTS ON THE CANDY.
AND I NEVER DRESSED UP AS ANYTHING EVIL.
BUT AS I GOT OLDER,
IT WASN'T UNTIL I HAD ASHER
THAT IT JUST CHANGES EVERYTHING.
AND YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE THIS LIKE FRESH CLEAN SLATE
THAT YOU'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED TO
AND YOU MAKE THE IMPRINT ON YOUR CHILD.
AND YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN
IN THE WAYS OF THE LORD.
AND TEACH THEM AND THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT
HOW YOU'RE THE PRIEST OF YOUR HOME,
THE PROPHET, THE KING, YOU KNOW, THE FATHER RULES.
AND THE WOMAN SERVES ALONGSIDE HIM AS HIS TEAMMATE.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: AND YOU JUST FEEL
THIS SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVER SINCE 2020,
THERE'S JUST BEEN KIND OF LIKE AN AWAKENING.
AND I THINK GOD REALLY KIND OF
WOKE A LOT OF PEOPLE UP
THAT THERE IS A REAL BATTLE GOING ON.
AND WE HAVE TO BE SERIOUS.
AND WHEN I BEGAN TO LEARN
THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED,
REALLY A LOT OF THIS PODCAST
THE DESIRE WAS BIRTHED FROM THIS,
WANTING TO WARN PEOPLE
AND EDUCATE PEOPLE AND INFORM PEOPLE.
BECAUSE WHAT I'M REALIZING ABOUT BELIEVERS,
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY BELIEVERS IN AMERICA,
IS THAT THEY'RE GOOD-HEARTED PEOPLE
WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS GOD TOLD ME IS,
YOU KNOW, AS HE WAS SHOWING ME THINGS
AND PREPARING ME AND TEACHING ME,
I WOULD GET REALLY PASSIONATE.
BECAUSE I WAS LIKE
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE DOING THESE THINGS.
AND I REMEMBER HIM TELLING ME,
LIKE BE GENTLE WITH THEM.
AND I REALIZE, OH, GOD LOVES --
NOT ONLY DOES GOD LOVE THESE PEOPLE,
BUT A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW.
JUST LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW.
SUZY: RIGHT.
REBECCA: WHAT I WAS TELLING SOMEONE TODAY,
I WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT AMAZES ME?
IT'S LIKE IF YOU WANT TO KNOW SOMETHING,
LIKE GOD'S WORD MAKES THINGS VERY CLEAR.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: IT'S JUST WE DON'T KNOW GOD'S WORD THAT WELL.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THINGS, YOU KNOW,
GOING BACK TO BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THE MODERN CHURCH TODAY.
I TOOK US OFF ON A TANGENT.
BUT, I MEAN, IT'S ALL BEEN SO GOOD.
SUZY: YEAH.
REBECCA: BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE MODERN CHURCH
IS I FEEL LIKE BELIEVERS
THEY DON'T EVEN,
NOT ONLY DO THEY NOT ONLY READ THEIR BIBLES,
BUT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO.
I REMEMBER GOING TO BIBLE SCHOOL
AND AS STUDENTS LEARNING THINGS
THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED
GROWING UP IN CHURCH.
AND WE WERE LIKE, MAN, WHY ARE WE
JUST LEARNING THIS STUFF NOW?
YOU KNOW, AND SO I FEEL LIKE
IF YOU DON'T KNOW GOD'S WORD,
OR IF YOU, I THINK THERE'S A HUGE ATTACK ON
DISCREDITING GOD'S WORD,
AND WE SEE THAT
THAT'S POPULAR RIGHT NOW.
IF THE ENEMY CAN DO THAT,
THEN YOU CAN EASILY BE LED INTO DECEPTION.
AND THEN BASICALLY PICK UP THESE FALSE DOCTRINES
THAT SOUND GOOD, IT MIGHT FEEL GOOD,
BUT THEY'RE NOT GOD.
SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE
LIKE I JUST SAW ON INSTAGRAM THE OTHER DAY,
THIS ACCOUNT, AND SHE LITERALLY WAS LIKE
LIVING MY LIFE, LOVING GOD.
AND BASICALLY THE CAPTION WAS,
SUPPORTING LOVE NO MATTER WHICH GENDER.
AND IT THREW ME BECAUSE
AND SHE DID THIS THE HUGE PASSAGE,
WHICH I DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ.
BUT YOU CAN JUSTIFY SCRIPTURE TO ANYTHING
IF YOU TWIST IT.
BUT CLEARLY, WHEN IT SAYS NO MEANS NO,
THAT'S THAT ROOT OF REBELLION.
BECAUSE I WON'T TAKE YOUR NO.
I'LL TWIST IT TO SEE HOW IT FITS ME IN THIS CULTURE.
REBECCA: AND, YEAH, THAT'S THE DANGER OF
LIKE TAKING THE BIBLE.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: SO LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS, PASTOR LANDON,
MERCY CULTURE,
WHERE I GO TO CHURCH,
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY MADE A BIBLE
THAT OMITS THOSE PASSAGES OF SCRIPTURE
THAT TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE
THIS ISN'T INCLUSIVE.
AND I'M LIKE, WHO ARE WE TO THINK,
LIKE AS PEOPLE, THAT WE KNOW
WHAT SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE IN GOD'S WORD?
AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT ON A DEEPER LEVEL,
BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE END TIMES
WITH JIMMY EVANS.
ONE OF THE NAMES FOR JESUS
IS THE WORD OF GOD.
LIKE HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.
SO IF YOU REJECT IT,
YOU REJECT HIM.
SUZY: JESUS.
REBECCA: LIKE HE EMBODIES ALL LOVE,
GRACE AND TRUTH.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE
THAT I SEE TODAY
IS THAT THEY'RE DISTORTING,
IT'S LIKE GOD'S LOVE IS SO GREAT,
AND YOU CAN NEVER TAKE AWAY FROM IT.
BUT YOU CAN'T TWIST IT
INTO SOMETHING IT'S NOT.
AND GOD CARES ABOUT PEOPLE.
SO HE IS GONNA TELL THEM THE TRUTH.
BECAUSE JESUS WAS VERY CLEAR.
THERE'S A HEAVEN, THERE IS A HELL.
AND HE TELLS ALL THESE DIFFERENT PARABLES.
HE TELLS THE PARABLES ABOUT THE WHEAT
AND THE TARES.
LIKE HE TALKS ABOUT THE END TIMES.
HE LAYS IT OUT ALL VERY CLEARLY IN SCRIPTURE.
BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE
GOD DESIRES NONE TO PERISH.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: BUT IF YOU'RE IGNORANT,
THE BIBLE SAYS MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED,
IN HOSEA, FOR A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
AND SO THAT'S A HUGE ATTACK
THAT I SEE GOING ON.
AND SOMETHING THAT I WANT
TO HELP DO THIS PODCAST IS TO EQUIP BELIEVERS
TO BE ABLE TO READ THE WORD
AND STUDY IT FOR THEMSELVES
AND TO BE COMFORTABLE IN A RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
SO THAT HE CAN TEACH THEM
AND LEAD THEM INTO TRUTH.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT PERSONAL
RELATIONSHIP FOR YOURSELF.
THERE'S A HUGE SHIFT
WHEN YOU GO FROM KIND OF BEING RAISED IN THE FAITH,
TO TAKING ON YOUR OWN FAITH
WITH YOUR OWN RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE WITH YOU?
SUZY: YOU KNOW, I LOVE THAT YOU TALK ABOUT
UNDERSTANDING HOW TO READ THE BIBLE.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS YOUNG,
YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A CHORE.
I DIDN'T REALLY GET IT.
REBECCA: THAT'S HOW IT WAS FOR ME.
[ LAUGHTER ]
SUZY: YEAH.
SO YOU'RE LIKE MY MOM WAS
DID YOU READ YOUR BIBLE YET?
AND I WAS LIKE AH.
REBECCA: BUT IT WAS ALSO VERY HARD FOR ME.
SUZY: ME, TOO.
I WAS JUST LIKE, AH!
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE AND BE DISCIPLINED.
REBECCA: DID YOU EVER FEEL LIKE
THOSE PEOPLE WHO PRAYED FOR LIKE THREE HOURS,
YOU'RE LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
[ LAUGHTER ]
SUZY: SO MY MOM, WHAT SHE SAID,
SHE TAUGHT ME THIS WHERE
SHE WAS LIKE, OKAY, READ A SCRIPTURE, AND THEN ASK
THE HOLY SPIRIT --
REBECCA: THAT'S AWESOME.
SUZY: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
OR JUST SAY, DAD, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
YOU KNOW, WITH THE FATHER,
BECAUSE HE'LL GIVE YOU REVELATION.
AND THEN EVEN IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS,
YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY, GIVE ME MORE REVELATION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, TELL ME, TEACH ME NEW THINGS FROM IT.
BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS SAID
YOU WILL READ THE SAME SCRIPTURE TEN YEARS FROM NOW,
AND GET SOMETHING TOTALLY NEW AND DIFFERENT.
REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE.
SUZY: AND SO WHEN I STARTED
THINKING OF THAT AS A MYSTERY WAY,
AND I WAS LIKE, OOH, IT BECAME LIKE A GAME.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PLAY WITH KIDS.
AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT'S DAD GONNA TELL ME?
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA TELL ME, HOLY SPIRIT?
AND SO I STARTED DOING THAT AS A KID.
AND UNTIL THIS DAY,
I ALWAYS DO THAT,
AND I ALWAYS GET SO MUCH.
LIKE IT'S LITERALLY FRESH MANNA.
AND NOTHING CAN SUBSTITUTE SITTING ALONE WITH GOD
AND GETTING A DOWNLOAD.
AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE THANK YOU
FOR EQUIPPING ME WITH THIS NEW REVELATION
I CAN USE TODAY AND PUT FORWARD.
REBECCA: AND WHAT I LOVE
IS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MANNA.
AND WHAT I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THE MANNA
IS LIKE I KNEW IT WAS ONLY GOOD FOR ONE DAY.
AND I REMEMBER THINKING, LIKE THAT'S STRANGE.
LIKE WHY COULDN'T THEY JUST STORE IT UP?
AND THEN I REALIZE
BECAUSE IT REPRESENTED WE NEED FRESH WORD
FROM GOD EACH DAY
AND THAT WE CAN'T LIVE OFF THE LEFTOVERS.
LIKE GOD IS SO INTENTIONAL IN THE BIBLE.
HE USES EVERYTHING TO TEACH US SOMETHING ABOUT HIM.
OKAY, SO TALKING ABOUT THE MODERN CHURCH.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS
THE WORSHIP OF CELEBRITY.
YOU KNOW, BEING OBSESSED AS AMERICANS
WITH SAVED, FAMOUS CELEBRITIES,
CERTAIN PASTORS,
EVEN WORSHIP LEADERS.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE SAY ABOUT THAT?
SUZY: BARF.
[ LAUGHTER ]
SUZY: I MEAN, HONESTLY.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY TRULY
DOES INFURIATE ME?
REBECCA: WHY?
SUZY: BECAUSE, OKAY, SO WE ARE ALL FLESH,
GOD-BREATHED INTO.
WE ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE MEET PEOPLE,
AND THEY'RE LIKE, AND THEY SAY, AND I LOVE IT.
THEY SAY IT WITH SUCH PURE HEARTS.
AND THEY'RE LIKE,
OH, IT'S SO GOOD TO MEET YOU.
YOU'RE SO DOWN TO EARTH
AND YOU'RE SO HUMBLE.
I'M USUALLY ALWAYS LIKE THANK YOU.
BUT I'M LIKE WHAT OTHER WAY IS THERE?
LIKE WHAT DO WE HAVE TO BE PROUD ABOUT?
IF WE ARE PROUD --
REBECCA: THAT'S TRUE.
SUZY: WE'RE LIKE SATAN.
THAT'S THE FATHER OF PRIDE.
IF WE ARE OF GOD,
WE ARE HUMBLE, LORD, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO DO ANYTHING THAT I DO.
SO WHEN I SEE THE WHOLE CULTURE,
AND YOU HAVE SOME AMAZING THINGS
YOU'VE SAID TO ME.
BUT WHEN I SEE THE WHOLE LIKE CULTURE OF CELEBRITY,
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THROUGH 2020,
GOD HAS LIKE REALLY SWITCHED --
REBECCA: HE SHUT THAT DOWN.
SUZY: BAM!
REBECCA: THANK GOODNESS.
SUZY: YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY HAVE AN AMAZING EXAMPLE
GOD GAVE ME.
REBECCA: TELL ME.
SUZY: OH, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS.
SO JEREMIAH THE PROPHET --
REBECCA: YEAH.
SUZY: YOU KNOW, EVERYONE THINKS
THAT WHEN YOU'RE ANOINTED
AND YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GOD,
FIRST OF ALL, MOTHER TERESA SAID,
I'M NOT CALLED TO BE SUCCESSFUL,
I'M CALLED TO BE FAITHFUL.
AND LET'S TAKE JEREMIAH.
SOMEONE SO OBEDIENT TO THE WORD OF GOD.
AND HE HEARD EVERYTHING
THAT GOD SAID.
JEREMIAH, SO HE STARTED SUPER YOUNG.
CONSTANT, CONSTANT REJECTION,
PEOPLE NOT BELIEVING HIM.
PROPHECIES, COME TO PASS.
AND THEN I WAS READING IN JEREMIAH 45,
NOW HE'S IN HIS MIDST 60S, OKAY.
AND IT'S STILL A NONSTOP PATTERN OF PEOPLE DOUBTING HIM,
CALLING HIM A LIAR.
AND PROPHECIES HAVE COME TO PASS IN THE PAST.
THEY'VE COME, BUT PEOPLE STILL, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE BLINDED.
AND THEN I WAS READING ABOUT HIS ASSISTANT BARUCH.
BARUCH WAS ACTUALLY OF HIGHER BIRTH THAN JEREMIAH.
HE CAME FROM, YOU KNOW, A WEALTHIER FAMILY.
SO HE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD LIVE THIS LIFE.
HE BECAME JEREMIAH'S ASSISTANT YOUNG,
AND HIS JOB WAS TO WRITE DOWN ALL OF JEREMIAH'S PROPHECIES.
NOW AFTER YEARS, FROM YOUNG TO NOW, THEY'RE
IN THEIR MID 60S.
AND IN CHAPTER 45, BARUCH IS JUST WHINING
AND COMPLAINING AND HE'S LIKE WHY IS IT --
IT'S LIKE HE WASTED HIS LIFE.
AND LITERALLY GOD TELLS HIM,
DO NOT SEEK SELF-AMBITION.
DO NOT --
ARE YOU DOING THIS FOR YOUR SELF-PROMOTION?
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I HAVE CALLED YOU TO DO.
AND THEN FROM TWO EXAMPLES,
ON JEREMIAH'S SIDE,
YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T GET WEARY.
HE STILL SPOKE WHAT WAS UNPOPULAR,
WHAT WAS FOUGHT AGAINST.
BUT HE DID IT UNTO GOD.
BARUCH ON THE OTHER SIDE,
HE WANTED HIS LIFE TO MATTER.
BUT GOD SAID DO NOT SEEK SELF-GREATNESS.
SEEK TO BE HUMBLE BEFORE ME.
AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT,
2500 YEARS LATER,
BILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE READ WHAT HE WROTE DOWN FAITHFULLY.
EVEN IF HE COMPLAINED,
HE DID HIS JOB RIGHT.
AND PEOPLE READ IT NOW,
AND JEREMIAH, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS REJECTED,
THINK ABOUT THE GENERATIONS
THAT HAVE HONORED HIM.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, IN OUR CULTURE IN AMERICA,
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WITH CELEBRITY WORSHIP
IS IN THE CHURCH IS THAT
WE WORSHIPED CELEBRITIES IN AMERICA.
THAT'S A VERY BIG PART OF OUR CULTURE.
SUZY: LIKE AN IDOL.
REBECCA: AMERICAN, LITERALLY AMERICAN IDOL.
AND IT'S A BIG PART,
IT'S BECOMING CULTURE ALL AROUND THE WORLD,
BUT THAT HAS PERMEATED INTO THE CHURCHES.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SIMILAR SETUPS.
WE HAVE STAGES.
WE HAVE LIGHTS.
AND IN HUMAN WEAKNESS,
WE LOOK AT SOMEONE ON THE STAGE,
AND I THINK WE CAN ALMOST,
BECAUSE WE CAN PHYSICALLY SEE THEM,
AND WE CANNOT SEE IN THE SPIRIT AT ALL TIMES.
WE CONNECT TO THAT PERSON,
AND WE BEGIN TO IDOLIZE THAT PERSON
AND WE PUT THAT PERSON ON A PLATFORM.
AND THEN WE START GOING TO EVENTS
BECAUSE OF THIS PERSON.
AND THEN WE GET INFLUENCE,
THIS PERSON GET INFLUENCE AND FOLLOWERS
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE POPULAR.
AND WE GET INTO CELEBRITY.
AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO GET BACK TO IS
WE NEED TO BE GOING TO EVENTS
FOR THE LORD.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE USING ALWAYS,
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT GOD CAN'T USE POPULAR PEOPLE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT GOD CAN'T USE CELEBRITIES.
BUT WE DON'T NEED TO BE CHASING
THE BRIGHTEST AND THE BEST.
WE NEED TO BE ASKING GOD
WHO IS ANOINTED
AND GLORIFIES YOU
AND IS HUMBLE.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: PUT THAT PERSON UP TO ANOINT THEM,
AND THEN BE MATURE BELIEVERS IN CHRIST,
AND KNOW GOD IS WORKING THROUGH THAT PERSON.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PERSON.
GOD SHOWED ME PRETTY YOUNG,
HE ALLOWED ME TO SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE'S HUMANITY
TO SHOW ME THEY'RE NOT PERFECT
AND DON'T EXPECT THAT OF ANYONE.
BUT UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN I,
WHEN YOU WERE TOUCHED BY SOMEONE'S MINISTRY,
THAT IS MY LOVE FOR YOU FLOWING THROUGH THEM
AND TOUCHING YOU PERSONALLY.
SO NOW WHEN I GET A WORD,
NOW WHEN SOMEONE PRAYS FOR ME,
OR I HEAR A REALLY GREAT MESSAGE,
I ALWAYS CONNECT IT IMMEDIATELY TO GOD.
AND IT TOUCHES ME BECAUSE I'M LIKE,
GOD, I KNOW YOU LOVE ME.
I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT ME.
AND THEN I'M ABLE TO TREAT THE PERSON
THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TREATED.
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IDOLIZED.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE
THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO BE PUT ON PLATFORMS,
AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR THAT.
AND THERE'S REALLY ALSO INCREDIBLE AND GIFTED
WORSHIP LEADERS AND PASTORS,
THAT ARE JUST BEING OBEDIENT
AND LIVING OUT THEIR LIFE,
AND THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN THIS INFLUENCE.
AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE LIVING THEIR LIVES
IN A HUMBLE WAY.
AND THEY'RE SAYING DON'T DO THIS TO ME.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE CHANGED
IS AND I THINK COVID,
WHAT I LOVE ABOUT COVID-19,
IS I THINK IT REALLY SHUT THINGS DOWN.
SUZY: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND I THINK IT REALLY
MADE THE CHURCH
REEVALUATE WHY DO WE MEET?
WHAT DO WE BELIEVE?
WHAT IS IMPORTANT?
WHAT IS OUR MISSION AND OUR PURPOSE?
AND I THINK IT ALSO WAS
WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO STAND UP FOR?
BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER TRULY FACED,
THERE IS -- THE SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST
IS AT WORK IN THE WORLD,
AND AMERICA IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE
IN LINE WITH THAT,
A MORE ANTICHRIST AGENDA.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COME FROM HISTORY
OF THERE BEING GREAT MOVES OF GOD.
THE FIRST GREAT AWAKENING.
THE SECOND GREAT AWAKENING.
THE AZUSA STREET REVIVAL.
THE JESUS MOVEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE CHARISMATIC RENEWAL.
SO GOD HAS BEEN MOVING GREATLY IN OUR COUNTRY FOR YEARS.
SO THERE'S ALL THIS HISTORY,
ALL THESE SEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN SOWN AS WELL.
SUZY: RIGHT.
REBECCA: BUT GETTING BACK TO IT,
IS AT THE SAME TIME,
I THINK WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO FACE PERSECUTION.
AND I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR LIVES,
WE'RE HAVING TO ASK YOURSELF,
WHAT IS THE COST FOR FOLLOWING CHRIST?
WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO SACRIFICE?
ARE WE WILLING TO BE PUT IN JAIL?
WE'VE NEVER HAD TO FACE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.
WELL, WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
AND SO I THINK IT'S BEEN GOOD FOR US
BECAUSE IT'S REMINDING US
OF WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT SUCCESS,
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ON HERE IS
WHAT IS SUCCESS?
AND I THINK FOR A LONG TIME,
FOR PEOPLE, IT WAS NUMBERS.
AND IT WAS HOW COOL YOUR CONFERENCE WAS
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE GOING.
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE BOUGHT Y'ALL'S
CHURCH'S WORSHIP ALBUM.
OR HOW MANY PEOPLE --
SUZY: FOLLOW YOU ON INSTAGRAM.
REBECCA: YEAH, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING
THAT NUMBERS AND STUFF ARE BAD.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING DEEPER.
AND IT'S A PEOPLE NOT JUST GETTING SAVED
OR COMING TO CHURCH,
BUT A PEOPLE WHO ARE TRANSFORMED,
WHO ARE ABLE TO ENDURE TO THE END
AND STAND BEFORE GOD
AND HE CAN SAY, WELL DONE, GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT.
THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, AND SO I WANT US TO JUST FOCUS ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND BE WILLING
TO DO WHAT'S NOT POPULAR.
AND I THINK THE CHURCH REALLY BEGINNING TO --
BECAUSE IN AMERICA,
LIKE I SAID WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH CHRISTIANITY,
BUT WE'RE LIVING IN A DAY
WHERE I'M SEEING MORE AND MORE MINISTERS
CENSOR THE GOSPEL.
AND I HAD -- SOMEONE THAT CAME THROUGH DAYSTAR
THEY USED THAT WORD CENSOR.
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES
PEOPLE USE THE WORD WATERED-DOWN.
BUT I LIKE THE WORD CENSOR
BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THEY'RE WITHHOLDING SOME TRUTH.
BUT THE GOSPEL, LIKE OUR FAVORITE TEACHER
DEREK PRINCE SAID,
HE SAID IT'S SIMPLE.
AND EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT.
AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL ALL OF IT.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYONE FAVORS
BY CENSORING IT.
BUT IT'S LIKE BECAUSE --
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAPPENS,
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS
IS BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF LOSING INFLUENCE
AND LOSING FOLLOWERS,
BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THE WHOLE TRUTH,
HOW CAN THEY BE SET UP FOR SUCCESS?
SUZY: IT'S SO TRUE.
AND, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES
WITH THIS WORLD OF CELEBRITY CHRISTIAN.
IT CAME TO A POINT OF HOW COOL IS YOUR MESSAGE?
HOW CATCHY IS IT?
REBECCA: HOW FUNNY ARE YOU?
SUZY: HOW FUNNY ARE YOU?
LIKE IT'S ALL ABOUT CHARISMA AND PERSONALITY
VERSUS OUR FAVORITE TEACHERS,
LIKE DEREK PRINCE SAID
I HEARD HIM RECENTLY SAY,
IF SOMEBODY COMES TO HIM,
AND SAYS, WOW, THAT WAS A DEEP MESSAGE.
HE SAYS, OH, NO, HE SOMETIMES SAYS,
LORD, I WANTED TO BE SIMPLE
FOR A CHILD TO UNDERSTAND.
AND I LOVE THAT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW DEEP YOU CAN GO.
AND THEN ALSO
SMITH WIGGLESWORTH.
REBECCA: I LOVE HIM.
SUZY: LOVE HIM, RIGHT?
WHAT A DYNAMIC MAN OF GOD.
BUT HE SAID I'D RATHER ONE PERSON
FULLY UNDERSTAND THE SALVATION MESSAGE
AND BE SAVED
RATHER THAN TEN THOUSAND BE HEALED.
I WAS SHOOK.
I WAS LIKE WHAT?
BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS GIFT, HEALING.
REBECCA: YEAH, HE WAS A HEALING MINISTER.
SUZY: BUT HE KNEW GOD'S HEART.
AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK TO JEREMIAH 40, 45,
THROUGH THOSE CHAPTERS,
YOU KNOW, I WAS CRYING JUST YESTERDAY.
BECAUSE IT'S SO MANY TIMES
GOD WAS LIKE GO TO THEM ONE MORE TIME
IN CASE THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND.
REBECCA: I KNOW.
GOD TRIES SO HARD.
HE LOVES US SO MUCH.
SUZY: SO MUCH.
REBECCA: AND THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE WE NEED
TO RESPOND TO THIS,
WE NEED TO RECEIVE THAT LOVE,
AND THEN WE NEED TO RESPOND TO IT PROPERLY.
LIKE GOD DESERVES BETTER.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
HE DESERVES THE BEST FROM US.
HE DESERVES ALL OF US.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS
I REMEMBER MARCUS BRECHEEN,
HE'S A PASTOR AT GATEWAY,
HE DID A WHOLE SERMON
ABOUT HOW THE BEAST OF THE EAST,
WHAT THE CHURCH FACES IN THE EAST,
IS PERSECUTION AND THAT IS THEIR MAIN ISSUE.
BUT HE SAID THE BEAST OF THE WEST IS SEDUCTION.
AND I'M LIKE, OH, IT'S SO TRUE.
AND THERE'S A MILLION THINGS FIGHTING
FOR OUR ATTENTION.
THERE'S A MILLION THINGS
DISTRACTING US AND FIGHTING FOR OUR TIME.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE AS A BELIEVER, AS A CHRISTIAN,
AND WHY I CAN SPEAK TO THIS STUFF
IS BECAUSE I USED TO BE --
DO THIS KIND OF STUFF, TOO.
LIKE I USED TO LOVE CERTAIN THINGS AND STUFF.
BUT WHEN I KNOW BETTER,
I WANT TO DO BETTER.
AND SO LIKE I SAID,
THERE'S A MILLION THINGS FIGHTING FOR OUR AFFECTION.
THERE'S A MILLION THINGS FIGHTING FOR OUR TIME.
AND THERE'S A MILLION THINGS
THAT WE CAN TURN TO
AND SEEK OUT COMFORT INSTEAD OF THE LORD.
AND WHAT I REALIZED AS A BELIEVER,
IS THAT FOR ME,
I'M NOT BEING PERSECUTED, REALLY, AS MUCH.
I'M BEING TEMPTED.
SUZY: YEAH, DISTRACTED.
REBECCA: TEMPTED NOT ONLY WITH THINGS,
BUT WITH APATHY, DISTRACTION, LAZINESS.
THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH.
AND I FEEL LIKE HERE BEING A BELIEVER
IS MORE ABOUT DISCIPLINE
AND KEEPING YOUR HEART PURE
AND NOT FILLING IT UP WITH IDOLS.
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TO CHASE HERE.
SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, HAPPINESS, WEALTH,
SUCCESS, INFLUENCE.
AND THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING AFTER THOSE THINGS
IN OUR CULTURE.
AND YET GOD IS CALLING US
TO SEEK HIM AND SEEK HIM ALONE.
HUMILITY, PATIENCE, PERSEVERANCE,
ENDURING THROUGH SUFFERING.
SUZY: WOW.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW, IN AMERICA, THEY'RE JUST CHASING PLEASURE.
WE'RE LITERALLY LIKE A HEDONISTIC CULTURE.
SUZY: YEAH.
REBECCA: AND SO THE TEMPTATION
IS NOT TO CONFORM TO THAT.
SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: BUT TO BE DISCIPLINED.
AND IT'S HARD.
AND YOU KNOW YOU AND I BOTH TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND I THANK GOD FOR HIS GRACE AND HIS MERCY
BECAUSE HE GETS ME ON TRACK SO MANY TIMES.
I MEAN, I'M THANKFUL FOR REPENTANCE.
LIKE IT'S NOT A DIRTY WORD.
IT'S A GOOD WORD.
YOU CAN DO IT QUICK.
THERE'S NO SHAME ATTACHED IT TO.
THERE'S NO GUILT
AND THEN YOU GET RIGHT BACK ON THE RIGHT PATH.
SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: AND I JUST LOVE THAT ABOUT GOD.
SUZY: I LOVE THAT ABOUT GOD.
BECAUSE ALL OF US KNOW
HOW MUCH WE NEED GRACE.
AND IT'S NOT ABOUT EVER BEING PERFECT.
WE'LL NEVER BE PERFECT
UNTIL THE DAY JESUS COMES.
BUT IT'S ABOUT THAT EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT LIFESTYLE
THAT YOU CAN OFFER GOD.
REBECCA: AND ALLOWING GOD TO CHANGE US.
SUZY: YES.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT HIS GRACE IS,
IS ALLOWING HIM TO DO
WHAT WE CANNOT DO IN OUR OWN FLESH.
BUT YOU DON'T STAY THE SAME.
SUZY: NO.
REBECCA: AND WE DON'T EVER STOP GROWING
UNTIL WE MEET HIM FACE TO FACE.
SUZY: THAT'S RIGHT.
REBECCA: WELL, THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD CONVERSATION.
SUZY: SO GOOD.
REBECCA: THEY KEPT COUNTING US DOWN ON TIME.
AND I WAS LIKE I DON'T WANT TO STOP.
THIS IS THE QUICKEST 30 MINUTES OF MY LIFE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG THIS WAS.
SUZY: BECAUSE OUR PHONE CONVERSATIONS
ARE LIKE THIS.
REBECCA: AND WE CAN KEEP GOING.
LIKE LET'S BE HONEST.
SUZY: BUT, YOU KNOW, BECCA, I WANTED TO SAY,
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.
AND I'M SO THANKFUL FOR YOUR PODCAST.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, THE BIBLE SAYS,
IN SCRIPTURE IT SAYS,
IT IS A SIN TO KNOW WHAT TO DO
AND NOT DO IT.
AND SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
AND YOU SIT HERE IN YOUR BOLDNESS,
AND THE ANOINTING OF GOD IN YOU
AND UPON YOU.
AND I KNOW THAT AS YOUR PODCAST GOES THROUGH
SOME DARK PLACES,
IT WILL ILLUMINATE WITH INFORMATION AND KNOWLEDGE.
AND THEN AS PEOPLE LISTEN,
THEN THEY KNOW, OKAY, THIS HAS TO CHANGE
BECAUSE IT IS A SIN TO KNOW IT
AND NOT DO IT.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING BOLD
WITH YOUR SWORD OF THE SPIRIT
AND GOING INTO THE DARK PLACES
AND SPREADING THE TRUTH OF GOD.
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.
REBECCA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD WORD,
AND I RECEIVE IT.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR HEART WITH US,
YOUR LIFE, YOUR EXPERIENCES,
THE WISDOM THAT GOD HAS TAUGHT YOU
WITH ALL THESE YEARS.
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU.
SUZY: THANK YOU.
REBECCA: AND I LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
REBECCA: HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING TODAY.
REBECCA: HEY!
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