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REBECCA: HEY, GUYS, WELCOME BACK
TO ANOTHER EPISODE OFON AIR WITH REBECCA.
NOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN ENJOYING THIS CONVERSATION
WITH FORMER NEW AGE LEADER ALAN STRUDWICK,
GUESS WHAT?
THERE'S MORE.
TODAY WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING YOGA, NEW AGE,
DECEPTION AND MORE. STAY TUNED.
REBECCA: YOU BEGAN TO FEEL SADNESS
FOR THE DECEPTION WITH THE NEW AGE
THAT WAS LEADING SO MANY PEOPLE ASTRAY,
INCLUDING CHRISTIANS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU BEGAN TO REALIZE
AS YOU RESEARCHED,
AND I JUST BEGAN TO REALIZE THIS MYSELF,
IS THAT THESE GODS
THAT THEY'RE CONNECTING TO
ARE THE SAME GODS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
ALAN: YEAH.
I THOUGHT HOW DID I GET DECEIVED?
THAT WAS THE FIRST THING, HOW DID AN INTELLIGENT MAN
GET THAT DECEIVED?
I UNDERSTAND HOW AND WHAT THE ENEMY'S WORKS ARE LIKE,
BUT I DECIDED TO DO RESEARCH.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THREE YEARS,
BUT I DIDN'T DO IT THROUGH CHRISTIAN WRITERS
OR CHRISTIAN BOOKS.
I DIDN'T WANT THE TAINTING OF THAT.
I DIDN'T DO IT THROUGH NEW AGE BOOKS.
I DID IT THROUGH NORMAL HISTORY BOOKS
OF THE DIFFERENT NAMES THAT EXISTED TODAY
THAT WERE USED,
SUCH AS MOTHER NATURE,
ALL THE SPIRITS THAT ARE AROUND,
MOTHER GODDESS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE IN HINDU TODAY,
KALI, AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT ARE AROUND.
I DECIDED TO STUDY THEIR NAME BACK.
AND IT WOULD TAKE ME ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH
BUDDHISM, TAOISM,
WAY BACK TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
AND AS I STUDIED THE HISTORY BOOK,
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CONNECTED.
AND I CAN STILL REMEMBER THAT DAY IN THE LIBRARY,
AND IT JUST CONNECTED AND I WENT,
OH, THESE ARE THE EXACT SAME THINGS
AS THE ASHERAH POLES,
BAAL, MAIDA,
ALL THESE FOREIGN GODS,
ARE ALL THROUGH THE TIMES THEY WENT
THROUGH DIFFERENT COUNTRIES
OR DIFFERENT PLACES,
THEY WERE -- THE NAME MIGHT CHANGE,
OR THE DESCRIPTION MIGHT CHANGE,
BUT THEY'RE THE EXACT ONES
THAT ARE AROUND TODAY.
WHICH IS --
WHICH IS CRAZY.
I MEAN, EVEN MOTHER GODDESS,
DIRECTLY RELATES BACK TO THE ASHERAH POLE.
AND EVEN BAAL COMES FORWARD TO THE THINGS
THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE NAME OF ABORTION,
OR IN THE NAME OF THIS TODAY,
OF CHILD SACRIFICE.
SO THE SAME THINGS ARE THERE.
AND EVEN SOME OF THE PEOPLE,
I WON'T MENTION WHO,
BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I KNEW
BACK WHEN I WAS IN THE NEW AGE,
ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM,
A VERY FAMOUS FEMALE NEW-AGER,
ACTUALLY WAS BROUGHT IN BY HILLARY INTO THE WHITE HOUSE
AND CLINTON IN THAT ERA,
TO BRING FORWARD ALL OF THIS WITCHCRAFT
AND DIVINATION, EVERYTHING,
IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
AND I KNEW HER VERY WELL.
SO I KNOW THESE THINGS WENT ON
AND WHAT HAPPENED IN IT,
AND I KNOW THAT THOSE PEOPLE
WERE ALSO VERY INVOLVED IN BRINGING IN
NEW ABORTION LAWS AND NEW THIS,
AND ALL THESE LAWS THAT FIT WITH CHILD SACRIFICE.
REBECCA: YOU'RE TOUCHING ON SUCH
AN IMPORTANT POINT.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN I BEGAN TO REALIZE THIS,
AND IT MADE ME THINK OF SOLOMON,
WHEN HE SAID THERE'S NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.
AND YOU BEGIN TO REALIZE THE DECEPTION IS THAT,
OH, THERE'S DIFFERENT NAMES,
THEY'RE DIFFERENT CIVILIZATIONS.
BUT IT ALL ACTUALLY LINES UP
AND IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE SAME SOURCE,
AND IT HAS THE SAME AGENDA.
THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT TODAY,
IT'S MORE TRICKY.
IT'S MORE HIDDEN.
THEY THINK, OH, THIS IS A POLITICAL TOPIC.
IT'S LIKE, NO.
YEAH, MAYBE ON THE SURFACE IT'S THAT,
BUT YOU NEED TO LOOK BEHIND THE VEIL.
WHAT ARE THE SPIRITUAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS?
WHO IS THIS SERVING?
WHAT IS THIS ACCOMPLISHING?
YOU KNOW, BUT ONCE AGAIN THIS GOES BACK TO,
CIRCLING BACK TO DISCERNMENT.
ALAN: OF COURSE.
REBECCA: SO IN CHAPTER 11 OF YOUR BOOK,
THE GIFT OF TRUTH,
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT,
AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS PODCAST,
IS A LOT OF CHRISTIANS,
I MEAN, THEY'VE DONE STATISTICS ON THIS,
THEY'VE ASKED, PEOPLE WHO CONSIDER THEMSELVES
BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIANS,
YOU KNOW, DO YOU BELIEVE THE DEVIL IS REAL,
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN BELIEVE HE'S REAL.
WHAT'S THE DECEPTION BEHIND THAT?
ALAN: WELL, THE WHOLE REASON FOR IT
IS THAT IF YOU TAKE AWAY
THE WHOLE THING OF AN ENEMY,
THEN YOU DON'T NEED A SAVIOR.
SO, YOU REMEMBER OUR PLAN WAS TO WEAN PEOPLE AWAY
FROM JESUS BEING ALIVE, RESURRECTED, THE SAVIOR,
WENT FOR OUR SINS ON THE CROSS, ALL THAT.
AS SOON AS YOU TAKE AN ENEMY AWAY,
ALL OF THAT IS NULL AND VOID.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR A SAVIOR.
IN FACT, MOST HINDUS BELIEVE
THAT JESUS WAS A PROPHET, BUT THAT'S IT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT NEW HINDU JESUS.
AND THAT'S ALL THEY BELIEVE.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS
IF YOU TAKE THAT ABSOLUTE OUT,
YOU HAVE NO NEED FOR A SAVIOR.
SO THEREFORE AS SOON AS PEOPLE START BELIEVING THAT,
THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE GETTING SAVED.
REBECCA: WOW, THAT IS SUCH A GOOD POINT.
AND THEN THEY GET COMFORTABLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TAP ON, IN CHAPTER 12,
YOU TALK ABOUT ADAM AND EVE.
THEY MADE A DECISION, AND THEREFORE CAME
THE FALL OF MAN,
BUT WE'RE PREACHING TODAY THAT
YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T ANY HELL,
THERE ISN'T ANY DEVIL.
AND IT ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE THE NEW AGE.
THERE IS NO EVIL.
ALAN: THAT'S RIGHT, YOU JUST SAID IT,
IT'S THE NEW AGE GOSPEL.
WHEN WE HAD IT, AND WE WERE BRINGING IT IN,
WE CALLED IT THE AGE OF AQUARIUS
THAT WE WERE BRINGING IN.
IT'S A NEW AGE GOSPEL THAT EVERYBODY LOVES,
EVERYBODY'S HAPPY, EVERYBODY'S THIS.
THERE CAN'T BE HELL.
GOD IS SO LOVING, HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
BUT IN REALITY, WE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING,
THERE'S EVIL EVERYWHERE.
AND THAT WAS THE THING FOR ME,
BECAUSE I BELIEVED THAT, THAT THERE WAS NO EVIL.
THEN I WAS LIKE, WHAT DO I DO WITH THAT?
I REMEMBER WATCHING TV ONCE
AND THE LORD SAID, WATCH THE NEWS.
I WENT, I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE NEWS.
HE SAID, WATCH THE NEWS.
I WAS CRYING THROUGH ALL OF IT.
IT WAS HORRIFIC WHAT I WAS WATCHING.
AND HE SAID, THAT'S NOT ME.
THERE IS AN ENEMY AND YOU NEED TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I STARTED TO READ,
AND FOUND OUT THAT JESUS ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT AN ENEMY.
A LOT OF THE GOSPELS TALK ABOUT THE ENEMY.
A LOT OF THE DISCIPLES AFTER JESUS WAS RESURRECTED,
TALKED ABOUT AN ENEMY.
BUT TALKED ABOUT OUR VICTORY.
THAT'S WHY JESUS CAME.
IT SAYS THAT IN, I THINK IT'S IN 1 JOHN,
THAT THE PURPOSE OF HIS COMING
WAS TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE ENEMY.
SO THERE IS AN ENEMY.
BUT THAT'S HOW I DID IT AND THAT'S WHY.
BECAUSE IF YOU WATER EVERYTHING DOWN,
WHO WANTS TO GET SAVED?
THEY DON'T EVEN THINK THEY NEED TO BE SAVED.
IN FACT, THEY WILL THINK EXACTLY WHAT WE THOUGHT,
IS THAT CHRISTIANS ARE HERE FOR ONE LIFETIME.
AND THEY'RE VERY SPIRITUALLY NAIVE.
REBECCA: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TOUCHED ON IS,
WHEN GOD TOLD YOU TO TURN ON THE NEWS,
AND YOU SAW ALL OF THIS EVIL AND YOU WEPT,
AND YOU WERE WEEPING BECAUSE YOU WERE ACTUALLY
SEEING GOD'S HEART,
EXPERIENCING HIS HEART, THAT GOD HATES
ALL OF THE EVIL GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
ONE OF THE TACTICS I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE ENEMY
IS THAT NOT ONLY WILL THE DEVIL
MAKE IT SEEM LIKE HE DOESN'T EVEN EXIST,
BUT THEN BEING THE ACCUSER,
HE WILL POINT HIS FINGER UP TO GOD
AND SAY, LOOK AT EVERYTHING GOD IS DOING,
AND IT'S NOT EVEN COMING FROM GOD.
ALAN: EXACTLY.
THAT'S A PART OF THE ENEMY, PART OF THE STRATEGY.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
AND I HAVE CHRISTIAN FRIENDS NOW THAT ARE LIKE THAT.
THEY THINK THAT GOD'S KILLING PEOPLE,
AND GOD'S DOING THIS AND THAT.
GOD WILL DO WHAT HE DOES,
BUT THEIR --
WELL, THEIR OPINION, IF I CAN PUT IT THAT WAY,
OF GOD IS THAT HE'S PRETTY MEAN,
AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.
SO IF THEY THINK HE'S GOING TO KILL PEOPLE
AND THEN YOU GO TO HEAL SOMEONE
AND THEY GO, OH, I CAN'T GET HEALED
BECAUSE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL SHARE THIS
REALLY QUICKLY WITH YOU.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE OPPOSITES.
THE OTHER DAY THERE WAS A PERSON
THAT IT'S POSSIBLE OF HAVING CYSTS ON HER OVARIES.
SO I SAID I'D PRAY.
AND SHE SAID, OH, REALLY?
WELL, SHE SAID THAT'S OKAY,
BECAUSE SOMETIMES DEATH IS A HEALING.
AND I WAS LIKE, EXCUSE ME, HANG ON.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
SHE MEANT IF SHE DIED
SHE WOULD BE IN HEAVEN AND HEALED.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I AGREED WITH
WHEN SHE'S IN HEAVEN SHE'S HEALED,
BUT I SAID, IF JESUS AND GOD WERE AGAINST --
WERE IN FAVOR OF DEATH,
WHY DID HE RAISE LAZARUS FROM THE DEAD?
WHY DID HE RISE HIM UP?
WHY DID HE RAISE THE DAUGHTER UP?
LIKE, WHY DID HE GO IN --
IF DEATH WAS THE ANSWER FOR HEALING,
WHY DID JESUS HEAL PEOPLE WHO WERE DEAD
AND RESURRECT THEM?
THAT WOULD BE AGAINST WHERE HE WAS.
BUT THE WORLD IS GOING THAT WAY AT THE MOMENT.
IT'S LIKE, OH, BUT -- AND THEN IF GOD KILLED MY SON,
WHY WOULD HE NOW HEAL MY WIFE'S CANCER?
IT'S ALL CONVOLUTED, IT'S ALL MIXED.
THAT'S WHY --
SEE, GOD IS ABSOLUTE.
THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY OF KNOWING THE ABSOLUTE.
AND I FOUND THAT AND IT'S THROUGH THE BIBLE.
REBECCA: AND GOING BACK TO THE GARDEN OF EDEN,
YOU SEE THIS IS WHAT GOD INTENDED FOR MANKIND.
YOU KNOW, ADAM AND EVE, THEY ATE OF THE TREE,
AND THEN THE FALL OF MAN,
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROGRESSION
AND THE EFFECT OF SIN.
AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
LIFE OF JESUS,
AND YOU SEE WHAT HE WAS DOING,
AND IT SAYS IN COLOSSIANS,
HE'S THE VISIBLE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.
SO JESUS EVEN SHOWS US WHO GOD THE FATHER IS.
AND HE WAS ALWAYS GOING AROUND HEALING PEOPLE.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I SEE,
WITH BELIEVERS THAT THEY STRUGGLE WITH,
IS THE MIND.
I HAVE EXPERIENCED THAT.
AND FOR A LONG TIME, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW,
IT WAS LIKE THE DEVIL OR IT WAS DEMONIC.
AND YOU ALMOST THINK, THESE ARE MY OWN THOUGHTS
AND THEN YOU GET TORMENTED.
THANK GOODNESS GOD SHOWED ME LATER ON.
BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR THOUGHTS
AND THE ENEMY IS TRYING TO MAKE THEM FEEL
SHAME OR GUILT,
OR, REALLY, THIS IS A BIG ONE,
TRYING TO LIE TO THEM,
WHAT IS THE BEST DEFENSE
AND HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT SITUATION?
ALAN: WELL, FOR ME, BECAUSE AFTER I GOT SAVED
AND THEN THE DEVIL CONSTANTLY WOULD
TRY AND THROW THOUGHTS AT ME
AND EVIL THOUGHTS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS,
TO CREATE FEAR.
HE ALWAYS WANTS TO CREATE FEAR,
WHERE GOD WANTS TO CREATE LOVE AND FAITH.
FOR ME, I ALWAYS HAVE TO FIND A SCRIPTURE.
BECAUSE IF I FIND A SCRIPTURE,
THEN I KNOW IT'S REAL
AND IT WILL WORK.
SO I HAD TO FIND THAT SCRIPTURE
THAT WAS IN CORINTHIANS,
I THINK IT'S IN 2 CORINTHIANS
WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT TAKE EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN JUST CAPTIVE,
LIKE SAY A PRISONER OF WAR.
IT MEANS, MAKE IT OBEDIENT TO CHRIST.
SO I WOULD GET A SCRIPTURE THAT WOULD HANDLE THAT THOUGHT,
THAT COULD BATTLE THAT THOUGHT.
AND SO AS SOON AS THAT THOUGHT WOULD COME,
I'D PHYSICALLY LIKE KIND OF GRAB THIS
AND I'D DECLARE THAT SCRIPTURE OVER IT.
I'D DECLARE IT OVER IT,
AND I WOULD DECLARE IT OVER IT.
BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO MAKE THAT THOUGHT
OBEDIENT TO CHRIST.
SOMETIMES I HAD TO DO IT ALL DAY,
BUT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD WEAN AWAY.
AND HE'D BE GONE.
NOW, I KNOW THERE'S OTHER TECHNIQUES
OF BINDING AND LOOSENING,
I UNDERSTAND THAT,
BUT I ALSO HAD TO SPEND --
THIS IS AGAIN FOR ME FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT
BECAUSE I HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM,
I NEEDED TO SPEND TIME PRAYING IN THE HOLY LANGUAGE.
BECAUSE THAT BUILDS UP,
THE SCRIPTURE TOLD ME IT WOULD BUILD UP
MY INNER MAN.
I WANT TO BE BUILT UP
SO THAT I DON'T OPEN A DOOR AND HE AFFECTS ME HERE.
I NEED TO BE BUILT UP IN MY SPIRIT
SO THAT I'M ABLE TO DO,
THE BIBLE SAYS RESIST THE DEVIL AND THEN HE FLEES.
NOW, IT'S NOT BY MY STRENGTH,
IT'S BY A SCRIPTURE, IT'S BY DECLARATION,
IT'S BY PRAYING.
THESE THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO DO
THAT I HAD SO MUCH FEAR ON,
I'D PRAY FOR HALF AN HOUR AND THE FEAR WOULD GO.
OR I'D KEEP PRAYING UNTIL THE FEAR WOULD GO,
AND THEN I COULD DO IT.
AND I DID IT WITH CONFIDENCE.
IT'S NOT MY STRENGTH, BUT GOD'S CONFIDENCE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR THINGS,
WAS TAKING EVERY THOUGHT CAPTIVE,
MAKE IT OBEDIENT TO CHRIST,
AND YOU DO THAT BY SCRIPTURE.
AND THEN THE OTHER WAY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT,
AND PRAYING IN THE HOLY LANGUAGE.
IT JUST BUILT ME UP SO THAT --
AND THEN HAVING A RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
SO I WOULD GO, IS THAT YOU?
IS THAT THE ENEMY?
IS THAT ME?
AND THEN I'M ABLE TO START TO LEARN TO DISCERN.
REBECCA: I HAVE HEARD SO MANY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
THE BATTLE OF THE MIND,
BUT I NEVER HEARD THOSE TWO ANSWERS,
AND GIVEN IN CONJUNCTION,
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
THE BIBLE DOES SAY THAT PRAYING IN THE SPIRIT
BUILDS YOU UP TO RECEIVE.
SOYOGA ON TRIAL, CHAPTER 14.
I LOVE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS.
AND IT WASN'T UNTIL YOUR BOOK
THAT NOW I KNOW WHY IT'S SO BAD
BECAUSE I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS DOING IT.
AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, IT'S OKAY,
I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT IT,
IT HELPS ME.
AND I DO KNOW PEOPLE THAT WOULD SAY
OH, I SEE A PHYSICAL BENEFIT.
BUT SPEAK TO YOGA AND THE STRATEGY OF IT
COMING TO THE U.S.,
AND THE DECEPTION BEHIND IT.
ALAN: OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, JUST SO YOU KNOW,
I'M NOT SPEAKING AS A CHRISTIAN THAT STUDIED YOGA,
I'M SOMEONE WHO WAS --
I WAS A MASTER HATHA YOGA TEACHER.
SO I REACHED MASTER STATUS,
I KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOGA.
MY KIDS JOKE ABOUT IT EVEN NOW,
THEY GO, DAD, HOW COULD YOU HAVE GOTTEN
INTO THOSE POSITIONS?
I WAS A MASTER OF THEM.
SO I KNOW ALL THE SPIRITUAL SIDES OF IT.
AND, YES, I WAS IN THE NEW AGE PART.
HOWEVER, IN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS,
HERE'S THE OTHER THING ABOUT THESE STRATEGIC MEETINGS.
IN THE SECRET ONES WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED,
THAT WE NEEDED TO AGAIN WEAN THE CHRISTIANS
AND THE PUBLIC.
HOW DO WE DO THAT?
WELL, THE FAITH THAT WE FOLLOWED
WAS HINDU.
SO WE DID YOGA.
NOW, WHY DID WE DO YOGA?
WE DID YOGA TO CONNECT TO THE HINDU GODS,
TO THE HINDU LORDS.
AND THE WAY THAT WE DID THAT IS,
YOGA IN THE ANCIENT SCRIPTS, WAS DESIGNED
SO THAT EVERY SINGLE POSITION YOU GIVE AUTHORITY
FOR THAT DEMON TO COME IN, OR LORD,
DEMONIC LORD OF HINDU,
COME INTO YOUR BODY IN THAT POSITION.
SO PEOPLE GO, OH, BUT I DON'T REALLY --
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WELL, IT DOES.
BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE SPIRITUAL REALM,
IT MATTERS.
NOW, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE MORE POWERFUL
THAN SOME DEMONIC DEMON, FINE.
THAT'S OKAY.
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT ACCORDING TO THEM, AND IN INDIA TODAY,
THEY STILL FOLLOW IT.
THEY STILL FOLLOW THE DEMONIC PRACTICES OF IT.
SO YOGA, EVERY SINGLE POSITION,
AND THAT'S WHY WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME
PUTTING THAT IN THE BOOK,
WE WEREN'T GOING TO,
BUT AS SO MANY PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD SAID
YOU'VE GOT TO PUT IT IN, YOU'VE GOT TO PUT IT IN,
BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT IT,
YOU ACTUALLY WERE THAT PERSON.
SO THEN COMING FORWARD TO THE MEETINGS,
WHAT BETTER THING THAN TO SPREAD ACROSS
THE WHOLE CHRISTIANITY
AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD,
BUT THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE USED TO CONNECT TO THE LORD.
SO IF WE CAN GET PEOPLE DECEPTIVELY
DOING THE POSITIONS AND DOING YOGA,
THEN YOU'VE GOT AN AUTOMATIC DEMONIC INFLUENCE
HAPPENING OVER ALL THOSE PEOPLE AT SOME POINT.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
SO WE THOUGHT IF WE CAN WEAN IT,
AND WE KNEW IT COULD TAKE 20 TO 30 YEARS TO DO IT,
AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL, UNFORTUNATELY.
AND I REPENTED OF IT,
BUT MY PLANS AND THINGS THAT WE ALL PUT INTO PLACE
AS AN ORGANIZATION WORKED.
YOGA IS EVERYWHERE.
AND CHRISTIANS ARE DOING IT.
NOW, ON TOP OF THAT,
I SOMETIMES HAVE CHRISTIANS, WILL SAY TO ME,
BUT IF I'M THINKING UPON JESUS WHILE I'M DOING IT,
IT WILL BE OKAY.
MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
BUT I WENT TO THE LORD AND THIS IS THE ANSWER HE GAVE ME.
HE SAID WHEN I GOT MARRIED I ENTERED A COVENANT
WITH MY WIFE.
THE SAME AS WHEN I BECAME A CHRISTIAN,
I ENTERED A COVENANT.
I WENT ON TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CROSS
THROUGH THE BLOOD.
THAT'S HOW I BECAME COVENANT.
BUT THE COVENANT WITH MY WIFE,
BEFORE I MARRIED HER, I DATED WOMEN.
AND I COULD DO THAT.
I COULD DATE WOMEN.
I COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GET ENGAGED, WHATEVER.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I DID BEFORE.
WHEN I GOT MARRIED, I WENT THROUGH A COVENANT.
SO SAYING, I CAN GO AND DO YOGA
AND JUST THINK ABOUT JESUS,
WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME
AS IF I RIGHT NOW SAID TO MY WIFE,
HEY, BABE, I'M JUST GONNA GO NEXT DOOR,
I'M GONNA SLEEP WITH THE WOMAN NEXT DOOR,
BUT I'M GONNA THINK ABOUT YOU WHILE I'M DOING IT.
IT'S HORRENDOUS TO THINK THAT.
IT'S SPIRITUAL ADULTERY.
BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING, UNFORTUNATELY.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING BACK BEYOND THE BLOOD,
BACK BEYOND THE CROSS,
AND DOING A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE
THAT GOD WARNS PEOPLE NOT TO DO.
AND SO BY THEIR WILL OF DOING THE POSITIONS,
THEY'RE OPENING FOR IT.
AND YET IT'S BEEN A STRATEGY THAT WAS
PLANNED THAT WAY
FOR THAT SAME REASON FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BRINGING IT INTO
THE WEST BEGINNING AROUND THE 19TH CENTURY,
EVEN WROTE BOOKS WARNING PEOPLE OF
STROKES, ECZEMA, HEART ATTACKS,
NERVOUS ATTACKS,
PSYCHOTIC ATTACKS,
COMING FROM THE AWAKENING THROUGH YOGA.
REBECCA: I LOVE THAT YOU CALLED IT
SPIRITUAL ADULTERY.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIG DECEPTIONS BEHIND YOGA,
IS THAT IT'S MARKETED AS LIKE A WORKOUT
THAT'S LIKE PEACEFUL.
BUT YOGA WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A WORKOUT.
IT'S WORSHIP, LIKE YOU SAID,
AND IT'S PURPOSELY TO YOKE YOURSELF
WITH THESE HINDU GODS.
AND SO IT'S A PAGAN, YOU KNOW,
YOU WOULD SAY WITCHCRAFT,
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S TURNING AWAY FROM GOD.
YOU SAID IT BEST, SPIRITUAL ADULTERY.
SO YOGA WAS NOT CREATED TO BE A WORKOUT.
ALAN: NEVER.
NEVER AT ALL.
IT STILL EXISTS IN THE ANCIENT HINDU TEXTS
AND SCRIPTURES,
AND THE BHAGAVAD GITA, IT'S A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE
TO INVOKE A GOD OR A LORD INTO YOU.
IT'S NOT --
LOOK, AND IF YOU'RE GOING,
IF YOU'RE JUST SIMPLY GOING TO DO STRETCHES,
FIND A PLACE THAT JUST DOES STRETCHES,
NOTHING ELSE.
REBECCA: YEAH.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU WOULDN'T GO OUT AND SAY,
AS A CHRISTIAN, OH, I'M GONNA GO DO
LIKE A SEANCE, OR I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING
LIKE, EVIL, THAT'S SPIRITUAL.
BUT PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO YOGA,
WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO WORK OUT.
BUT IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED --
AND, SEE, YOU JUST CONNECTED THAT FOR ME.
IT WAS ALWAYS PRESENTED TO ME,
THIS IS A WORKOUT THAT'S FROM INDIA.
IT NEVER WAS A WORKOUT.
IT'S A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE.
AND THAT'S WHY LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST GO
AND THINK ABOUT JESUS,
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REDEEM SOMETHING
THAT WAS INTENDED FOR THE DEVIL.
ALAN: I HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO ME AND GO
BUT THERE'S A THING CALLED HALI YOGA
AND I'M LIKE, I'VE ALREADY HAD PEOPLE
THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THOSE COURSES ON PURPOSE
AND BASICALLY GIVEN ME THE INFORMATION.
EVERY BIT OF THE COURSE IS ALL HINDU.
IT'S ALL HINDU.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD HAVE TAUGHT
20, 30 YEARS AGO.
IT'S ALL HINDUISM, BUT THEN THEY ADD A SCRIPTURE.
OR IT'S ALL HINDUISM AND THEY'LL ADD A SCRIPTURE.
SO EVEN THE YOGA IN HALI YOGA
IS TEACHING PEOPLE STILL THE HINDUISTIC BELIEF,
BUT THEY'LL ADD A SCRIPTURE.
YOU CAN'T --
THEY TALK ABOUT YOU CAN'T PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG.
YOGA IS WRONG AND YOU CAN'T,
NO MATTER WHAT YOU TRY TO DO,
YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT.
REBECCA: JUST TO TAP ON ONE THING,
I KNOW SOMEONE THAT SAYS,
OH, WELL, IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT CAN
HELP ME PHYSICALLY,
BUT THINKING ABOUT IT,
IF IT'S A SPIRITUAL PRACTICE,
DON'T YOU THINK IN THE LONG RUN,
THERE WOULD EVEN BE PHYSICAL RAMIFICATIONS
TO DOING IT?
AND YOU WERE ACTUALLY SPEAKING ABOUT THAT.
ALAN: YEAH, I TALK TO SO MANY PEOPLE EVERY WEEK
THAT HAVE PROBLEMS, AND ANXIETY PROBLEMS,
DEPRESSION, HAVE ALL THAT STUFF.
AND I'LL ASK, DO YOU YOGA?
YEAH, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH YOGA,
OR I DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP YOGA
BECAUSE IT HELPS MY BACK.
AND I GO, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A GYM?
A GYM WILL DO STRETCH CLASSES IN THE MORNING
OR IN THE AFTERNOON.
THEY'RE JUST STRETCH CLASSES.
GO AND DO THAT.
IF ANYONE -- I CALL IT AGITATED DENIAL.
IF THEY START GETTING MAD AT ME,
THEY'RE ALREADY OPPRESSED.
THEY'RE ALREADY TRYING,
THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING GOT THEM
THAT'S HANGING ON TO THAT THING.
REBECCA: YOU SAY IN CHAPTER 15,
YOU TALK ABOUT THE GODS OF YOGA,
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT,
LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.
EACH POSITION THAT'S GIVEN
IS DEDICATED TO THESE DIFFERENT HINDU GODS,
INCLUDING KALI, WHO IS TERRIFYING.
IF YOU WOULD GOOGLE HER RIGHT NOW,
SHE IS REALLY SCARY-LOOKING.
YOU WOULD NOT BE DOING ANYTHING FOR HER,
OR TO HER.
CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THAT?
ALAN: THAT'S THE THING,
AND IF YOU GO TO THE TRUE SOURCE IN INDIA,
SOME OF THE TEMPLES THAT REPRESENT KALI,
IS HORRIFIC.
NOT JUST CHILD SACRIFICE,
BUT ANIMAL SACRIFICE AND PROSTITUTION.
ALL SORTS OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS.
IT'S HORRIBLE.
BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS,
THEY DON'T MIND THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR COUNTRY,
THAT'S WHO THEY ARE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
THAT'S THEIR BELIEF SYSTEM SO THEY DO THAT.
BUT TO HAVE IT IN THE WEST IS LIKE --
BUT KALI, I ONLY FOUND THIS OUT RECENTLY,
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO
OR TEN YEARS AGO,
I NEED TO DIG A BIT MORE ON THE RESEARCH,
BUT NEW YORK PUT THE PICTURE OF KALI
UP ON THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING
FOR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS CELEBRATING.
I'M LIKE, WHAT --
I KNOW WHY THEY DID IT,
BUT IT'S LIKE, AND IF YOU GOOGLE IT, THAT'S FINE,
BUT BE WARNED WHEN YOU GOOGLE.
KALI IS A PRETTY HORRIFIC-DESTROYING GOD.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS
I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT YOGA,
WAS I ACTUALLY SAW YOUR INTERVIEW WITH SID ROTH
AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT,
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS,
I WAS LIKE, OKAY, FINALLY I'VE HEARD FROM SOMEONE,
HE WAS ACTUALLY IN THESE SECRET MEETINGS,
HE KNOWS THE TRUE INTENTIONS BEHIND YOGA.
IT'S NOT JUST SOME NICE LITTLE WORKOUT,
WHERE YOU STRETCH AND YOU BREATHE AND YOU MEDITATE.
BUT I ACTUALLY FOUND
ON, I THINK ON AMAZON,
I WASN'T EVEN TRYING TO FIND IT,
THIS WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WAS KIND OF
LIKE THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN,
WAS ALEISTER CROWLEY, WHO WAS ONE OF THE,
PROBABLY THE MOST PUBLIC THEOSOPHERS, OCCULTISTS,
SATANISTS, WHATEVER WORD, THEY USED A LOT OF
DIFFERENT WORDS TO DESCRIBE HIM,
BUT A VERY EVIL, EVIL MAN
THAT PRACTICED BLACK MAGIC,
AND HE DID LIKE SEVEN LECTURES
AND THEY PUBLISHED IT INTO A BOOK,
WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HE ADVOCATES FOR YOGA.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAYS,
HE SAYS, YOGA IS REALLY GOOD
BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HELPS TEACH YOU
TO CHANNEL AND TO DO ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS
SO THAT YOU CAN DO LIKE BLACK MAGIC.
I MEAN, HOW, MUCH MORE EVIDENCE DO YOU NEED
THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA?
ALAN: BECAUSE IT IS, BUT IT'S A DECEPTION.
AND REMEMBER WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT SOUL.
PEOPLE ARE FALLING LIKE THEY'RE SOUL.
SO IF THEY FEEL BETTER IN YOGA
OR THEY FEEL BETTER WITH SOMETHING,
OR THEY FEEL A BIT OF POWER,
IF THEY'RE DISCERNING FROM THEIR SOUL,
AND THEY'RE HUNGRY IN THEIR SPIRIT,
THEY'LL GO TO THEIR SOUL.
REBECCA: THIS INTERVIEW WITH ALAN STRUDWICK
HAS BEEN EYE-OPENING TO SAY THE LEAST.
WE HAVE ONE FINAL PART LEFT.
MAKE SURE TO CHECK IT OUT.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN PARTS ONE AND TWO,
YOU CAN ALSO FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM
@REBECCALAMBWEISS.
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