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REBECCA: WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER EPISODE
OF ON AIR WITH REBECCA.
I RECENTLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SIT WITH FORMER NEW AGE LEADER, ALAN STRUDWICK.
AND THERE WAS SUCH AN OVERFLOW
OF EYE-OPENING INFORMATION,
THAT IT COULD NOT BE CONTAINED IN ONE EPISODE.
SO LET'S JUMP RIGHT BACK IN TO THE CONVERSATION.
REBECCA: SO MANY PEOPLE ARE BEING TAUGHT
TO JUST FOLLOW HOW THEY FEEL.
AND IT'S BEING MANIFESTED FROM
LEAVING THEIR SPOUSE,
CHANGING THEIR SEX,
CHANGING THEIR SEXUALITY.
AND WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE,
WELL, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS,
THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, BECAUSE I FEEL THIS WAY.
AND NOW THE FEELING THING HAS BECOME SO POWERFUL
THAT NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ALL OF SOCIETY
TO CHANGE ITS CONSTRUCT AROUND IT,
BASED OFF HOW PEOPLE FEEL.
ALAN: EXACTLY.
IT'S PART OF THE PLAN.
I WAS INVOLVED IN SECRET MEETINGS,
AND ESPECIALLY THE ONE WORLD ORDER,
AND THE ONE WORLD RELIGION.
AS I SAID, I WAS IN THOSE MEETINGS
WHERE IT WAS DISCUSSED HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS
OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE CENTURIES.
SORRY, TWO OR THREE DECADES.
HOW WILL WE CREATE IT TO HAPPEN.
IT WAS BEING IMPLEMENTED THEN.
AND SO I WAS -- NOT ONLY WAS I IN THE MEETINGS,
BUT THERE WAS VERY STRONG STRATEGIES
IMPLEMENTED AND DISCUSSED IN THAT MEETING
OF HOW WE COULD CREATE THE ONE WORLD ORDER,
THINKING WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING,
AND HOW CAN WE CREATE A ONE WORLD RELIGION.
BASICALLY THE ONE WORLD RELIGION IS WHAT
WE'RE SEEING NOW.
IT'S THE WOKE CHRISTIANS.
IT'S THE ONES THAT ARE MOVING AWAY FROM
THE ABSOLUTES OF WHO JESUS IS
TO THERE'S NO HELL, NO DEVIL, NO THIS, NOR THAT.
THAT'S THE RELIGION WE WANTED TO CREATE.
AND THERE'S BEEN STRATEGIES FOR 30 YEARS
PUT INTO PLACE FOR THAT.
THE ONE WORLD ORDER,
THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE, AGAIN, EARLY '90'S,
THAT WAS THE TIMING OF WHERE IT WAS.
AND THERE WAS STRATEGIES TO DO THAT AS WELL.
STRATEGIES TO DO WITH
HOW DO WE MANIPULATE WITH NARRATIVE.
WE WERE ALL TAUGHT A THING CALLED
LINGUISTIC PROGRAMMING,
OF HOW TO COMMUNICATE IN SEMINARS,
HOW TO BE IN PLACES WHERE WE EMBED
AND MANIPULATE PEOPLE, ALMOST LIKE, NOT HYPNOTIZE,
BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT.
WE WERE TAUGHT THAT.
IT WAS INTERESTING, IN MY RESEARCH RECENTLY,
I ONLY JUST FOUND OUT
THEY DID THAT IN NAZI GERMANY.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WERE TRAINED WITH
THE SAME TECHNIQUE THAT WE WERE TRAINED
IN THE LATE '80S, EARLY '90S.
AND I WAS LIKE, WOW.
AND I'VE SEEN IT WORK AND I'VE SEEN IT MANIPULATED.
THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING EVEN NOW.
BUT THESE WERE PLANS.
I WAS IN THOSE MEETINGS.
THERE WERE PLANS FOR THIS,
AND NOW WE'RE SEEING THE OUTWORKING OF IT.
REBECCA: OH, MAN, AND YOU JUST TACKED ON
THE LAST THING,
IT'S CALLED SILVA MIND DYNAMICS,
AND ALSO NLP.
I'VE HEARD OF THAT BEFORE.
WHAT IS THAT, AND HOW CAN WE --
HOW CAN WE IDENTIFY THAT
IN CASE IT'S BEING USED IN THE MEDIA OR WHATEVER?
ALAN: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE,
FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE FALLING THE HOLY SPIRIT
YOU'RE DISCERNING HIM AND YOU FOLLOW HIM
AND YOU LOVE JESUS,
YOU WON'T BE DECEIVED.
THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL DISCERN IT STRAIGHT AWAY.
AND YOU JUST NEED TO LEARN HOW TO ACT ON IT
AND FOLLOW ON THAT.
I KNOW THAT.
I HAVE NEVER HAD FEAR.
AND PEOPLE GO, WHY NOT?
I SAY BECAUSE I LIVED UNDER FEAR WITH AN ENEMY,
AND I KNOW HIS CASES.
I DON'T HAVE FEAR.
I GO STRAIGHT TO THE BIBLE.
PEOPLE THINK I'M CRAZY.
I GO STRAIGHT TO THE WORD OF GOD.
STRAIGHT TO HIM.
I'M NOT CRAZY, I JUST WORKED FOR THE ENEMY,
AND I WORK FOR HIM, AND HE'S A BETTER GOD.
SO THAT NEURO-LINGUISTIC PROGRAM
IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S A --
AND I WAS TRAINED UNDER THE MASTER OF IT,
JOHN GRINDER.
AND IT'S VERY MANIPULATIVE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT FOR SALES AND OTHER THINGS.
AND THEY ALL THINK IT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT OKAY.
IT'S VERY MANIPULATIVE.
IT CAN STEER A WHOLE ROOM A CERTAIN WAY.
AND IF IT'S DONE LONG ENOUGH,
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW,
IF THEY SAY A PHRASE OR DO A THING LONG ENOUGH,
LONG ENOUGH, OVER AND OVER,
AND YOU WATCH THE MEDIA TODAY
AND WHAT IT SAYS AND IT GOES OVER AND OVER AND OVER,
EVENTUALLY THEIR PROGRAMMING --
IT'S ON THE MEDIA, I KNOW IT.
I WAS TAUGHT IT.
I KNOW WHAT THE PROGRAMS ARE
AND WHY THEY'RE DOING IT.
AND THEN THEY DO IT WITH ACTORS AS WELL.
THAT IS WHY, SO THAT EVENTUALLY PEOPLE
ARE DOING THINGS AND YOU'RE THINKING,
WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT?
YOU'VE GOT COMMON SENSE.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
BUT THEY'VE BEEN PROGRAMMED INTO IT.
AND THEN THE SILVA MIND CONTROL
IS MORE A PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT SEMINAR,
AND THERE'S MANY OF THEM AROUND NOW.
I EVEN RAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES,
WHERE OUR WHOLE AIM WAS TO GET THE PUBLIC IN,
NOTHING SPIRITUAL, GET THE PUBLIC IN,
TRAIN THEM THINGS THAT WERE ACTUALLY SPIRITUAL
WITHOUT THEM KNOWING,
AND THEN WE WOULD STRIP THEM DOWN
AND THEN BUILD THEM BACK UP AGAIN
WITH NEW BELIEFS.
REBECCA: OH, MY GOODNESS. ALAN: IT WASN'T GOOD.
REBECCA: SO IF YOU'RE HEARING THIS, PEOPLE,
THERE IS A STRATEGY.
YOUR ENEMY STALKS AROUND LIKE A ROARING LION,
SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR.
AND SO WE HAVE TO, LIKE IT SAYS,
BE SOBER AND VIGILANT.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE WORD OF GOD.
THE HOLY SPIRIT,
THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH,
THE WORD OF GOD.
AND WE HAVE TO KNOW HIS WORD.
AND I THINK PROBABLY MY GENERATION IS UNDER --
THE WORST THING THAT I'VE SEEN IS THE ATTACK
ON THE WORD OF GOD
AND JUST THE IGNORANCE AROUND IT.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN CHRISTIANS JUST COMPLETELY,
LIKE YOU SAID, THE WOKE,
THAT IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE POPULAR IN CHURCHES.
AND THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THIS.
ALAN: AND JUST ON THAT, THOUGH,
THERE ARE A LOT OF --
THERE ARE A LOT OF FALSE PROPHETS.
A LOT AT THE MOMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING ALL PROPHETS ARE FALSE,
BUT THERE ARE FALSE PROPHETS.
BECAUSE THEY START TO WEAN AWAY FROM THAT
ABSOLUTE TRUTH OF RESURRECTION AND HELL.
I MEAN, WHEN I BECAME A CHRISTIAN, JUST QUICKLY,
THE FACT THAT JESUS,
JESUS, IT WAS LIKE --
HOW WILL I PUT THIS?
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
HOW COULD I EVER DOUBT IT?
IT WAS SUCH AN ABSOLUTE THING THAT HE DID
THAT GOT ME SAVED.
BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT HE TALKS ABOUT THE ENEMY.
HE TALKED ABOUT THE ENEMY
MORE THAN I HAD PASTORS TALKING ABOUT THE ENEMY,
LIKE WARNING ME.
AND WATCH OUT FOR THIS,
AND DISCERN THIS.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL, IF JESUS TALKS ABOUT IT,
AND HE'S MY LORD,
THEN I CAN, ONE, AS WELL.
REBECCA: THAT IS SUCH A GOOD POINT.
AND WE NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID IN HIS WORD,
AND WHAT HE'S SAYING TO US TODAY.
AND IT'S BECAUSE GOD SEES US.
WE'RE HIS FLOCK AND HE DOESN'T WANT ANYONE
TO BE LED ASTRAY AND BE DEVOURED BY THE ENEMY
BECAUSE HE CARES SO DEEPLY FOR US.
BUT I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU SAID THAT ABOUT --
THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE,
ESPECIALLY IN AMERICAN CHURCH,
IS THE CENSORED, WEIRD GOSPEL
THAT ISN'T THE WHOLE GOSPEL.
AND THE GOSPEL ISN'T COMPLICATED.
AND YOU DON'T NEED TO CENSOR ANY OF IT.
BUT IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE POPULAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I WONDER
IF IT'S BECAUSE PASTORS ALMOST WANT TO PREACH
WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR,
INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR,
BUT THE RESULT IS JUST TERRIBLE.
NOT REAL FOLLOWERS OF JESUS
WHO AREN'T EQUIPPED.
ALAN: NO.
AND THAT'S TRUE OF WHY THEY WANT IT,
HOWEVER, IT WAS ALSO PART OF THE PLAN AS WELL,
WAS TO WEAN CHRISTIANS AWAY FROM THE ABSOLUTES.
SO WHAT'S A GOOD WAY OF WEANING,
IS TO ACTUALLY --
HOW DO I SAY IT?
TEACH PASTORS THAT ARE ALREADY A LITTLE WOKE
ON HOW TO CONTINUE THAT WOKENESS.
HOW TO CONTINUE TO WEAN DOWN AWAY FROM THAT.
REBECCA: AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING IS,
YOU SEE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY
SOME KIND OF PROGRAMMING, INFLUENCING,
MANIPULATING GOING ON
BECAUSE YOU SEE, IT'S LIKE, EVEN IN BELIEVERS,
THERE'S KIND OF THIS MOB MENTALITY.
WHEN THEY TAKE THINGS THIS WAY,
ALL THESE PEOPLE FOLLOW.
WHEN THE MEDIA SAYS SOMETHING, WE ALL FOLLOW.
IT'S JUST CRAZY.
THERE'S DEFINITELY MANIPULATION THERE.
AND, I MEAN, EVEN PASTORS ARE GIVING INTO IT
AND FOLLOWING IT.
AND IT'S LIKE, WE'RE NOT OF THIS WORLD.
WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING.
WE'RE IN IT, BUT WE'RE NOT OF IT.
ALAN: EXACTLY. EXACTLY.
REBECCA: THERE SHOULD BE A DISTINCTION.
ALAN: AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL NOTICE
WITH A FALSE PROPHET,
IS THEY'LL TALK ABOUT A HIGHER REVELATION;
THAT THEY'VE GOT A HIGHER REVELATION NOW THAN THE BIBLE.
MORE WISDOM THAN THE BIBLE.
THESE ARE THE KEY THINGS TO WATCH FOR.
REBECCA: YES.
AND WHY, SO THIS IS SUCH A GOOD TOPIC,
WHY IS IT THAT PEOPLE --
WHY DO PASTORS AND TEACHERS
AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE
WHO CLAIM THEY'RE BELIEVERS,
HOW DO THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN CHANGE THE BIBLE?
I MEAN, THAT IS A MASSIVE RED FLAG,
WHEN IT'S LIKE, YEAH, I KNOW IT SAYS THIS,
BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE BIBLE ANYMORE
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE NEW VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE
THAT ARE MORE INCLUSIVE.
I MEAN, THAT IS A HUGE RED FLAG.
ALAN: HUGE RED FLAG AND VERY DANGEROUS.
REBECCA: SO LET'S GET YOU SAVED.
OKAY.
SO YOU SAID YOU WERE IN L.A.,
YOU'RE IN PRACTICE, YOU'RE TRAINED,
YOU HAVE A MISSION, YOU'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS,
YOU HAVE BEEN SET UP TO GO.
AND YOU ARE DOING --
YOU KNOW, YOUR HEART IS TO HELP PEOPLE
AND YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN.
BUT YOU START TO SEE PEOPLE NOT ENDING UP SO WELL.
THIS MAYBE WAS ONE OF YOUR FIRST RED FLAGS,
THAT, HEY, SOMETHING SEEMS OFF.
SO TELL US ABOUT THAT.
ALAN: YEAH, I STARTED TO SEE THINGS
WITH SPIRITUAL RETREATS ESPECIALLY
THAT WE WERE DOING,
AND SOME OF THE COURSES,
WHERE PEOPLE WERE ENDING UP IN PSYCHOTIC EPISODES,
ENDING UP IN PSYCH WARDS.
PEOPLE WERE COMMITTING SUICIDE.
PEOPLE WOULD JUST LEAVE THEIR FAMILY
AND THEIR KIDS FOR NO REASON AT ALL.
ALL UNDER THE GUISE OF WHAT I HAD TAUGHT THEM.
AND I'M LIKE, THIS IS NOT WHAT I WAS DOING.
SO IT STARTED TO HURT MY HEART.
SO I WENT AND HAD A MEETING WITH THE GURU,
WHICH WAS RISKY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO THAT,
BECAUSE THEY'LL THINK THAT YOU'RE NOT EVOLVING AS FAST.
SO I WENT AND SAW MY GURU
AND WHAT HE SAID IS THAT THE ENERGY
THAT I WAS CARRYING,
BECAUSE I HAD BEEN HERE SO MANY LIFETIMES
AND I WAS SO EVOLVED,
THAT THE ENERGY I'M CARRYING,
THEY CAN'T RECEIVE IT.
AND SO THESE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM.
NOW, ON ONE LEVEL I UNDERSTOOD IT,
BUT ON ANOTHER LEVEL I DIDN'T LIKE IT.
ESPECIALLY IN MY HEART.
SO I ACTUALLY CRIED OUT,
NOT TO A PERSONAL GOD,
BUT I KIND OF CRIED OUT TO,
YOU KNOW, I NEED HELP.
IF THERE IS A GOD
OR THERE IS SOMETHING MORE PERSONAL OR SOMETHING,
I WAS JUST CRYING OUT FOR THAT.
AND IN CRYING OUT FOR THAT,
AND SEEING, AFTER SEEING ALL THESE THINGS THAT HAPPENED,
I WAS ACTUALLY RUNNING A COURSE,
A SPIRITUAL COURSE,
AND I HAD AN OPEN VISION.
AND I'M POINTING THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT WAS.
IT WAS JUST VERY QUICKLY.
IT WAS AN OPEN VISION.
AND I KNEW THAT ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE WAS GOD.
I JUST KNEW THIS FIGURE.
IT WAS NOT A STRONG FIGURE,
IT WAS LIKE A STRONG LIGHT, BLINDING LIGHT.
BUT ON THE RIGHT-HAND-SIDE OF THAT FIGURE
THAT I KNEW WAS GOD, WAS JESUS.
AND HE WAS A FIGURE.
I KNEW HIM. I SAW HIM.
AND I KNEW HE WAS THE REAL JESUS,
WHICH IS WEIRD BECAUSE I DIDN'T BELIEVE
IN A REAL JESUS.
BUT I JUST KNEW IT.
MY SPIRIT OBVIOUSLY JUST KNEW IT.
AND I HAD BEEN CRYING OUT FOR HIM.
AND THEN HE STARTED TELLING ME THINGS
THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN IN MY LIFE.
AND THEN THINGS I'M GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE.
AND HE ASKED ME TO PUT MY HANDS OUT
AND LIGHT SHONE FROM HIS HANDS STRAIGHT INTO MINE
AND HE SAID, YOU USED TO HEAL FOR THE ENEMY,
AND, AGAIN, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE ENEMY WAS,
BUT NOW YOU'RE GONNA HEAL FOR ME.
AND YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS AND YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT.
AND IT'S GONNA BE BY MY POWER THAT PEOPLE ARE HEALED,
NOT BY MY HINDU GODS.
AND, LIKE, I'M GETTING GOOSEBUMPS NOW
JUST SAYING IT.
I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT VISION OF HIM
APPEARING TO ME.
THE REAL JESUS APPEARED TO SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T
BELIEVE IN HIM AND WHO WAS AGAINST HIM.
IT'S CRAZY.
THAT'S HOW MUCH LOVE HE HAS FOR ME.
SO, HE'S TALKING TO ME AND DOING ALL THAT,
AND THEN THE VISION FINISHED.
AND SO FOR THREE DAYS I'M LIKE DISORIENTED,
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS?
SO I THOUGHT AT THAT TIME,
REMEMBER, I'M A FULL NEW AGE TEACHER
AND LEADER WORLDWIDE,
AND I END UP THINKING,
WELL, MAYBE I NEED TO GO TO A CHURCH,
SO THAT I CAN --
REMEMBER, THEY'VE BEEN HERE ONE LIFETIME,
I CAN EVOLVE THEM.
I CAN HELP THEM LEARN ABOUT SPIRITUAL THINGS.
SO I GO TO THIS CHURCH,
ENDS UP IT WAS PENTECOSTAL.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
I GOT THERE LATE SO I'M IN THE SECOND ROW
AND I'M WAITING FOR THE UNIVERSE, OKAY,
TO SHIFT IN ENERGY
SO THAT I GET ASKED UP FRONT
AND I'LL START TO TEACH THEM THE TRUTH.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE PASTOR KEPT TALKING
ABOUT JESUS AS A LORD.
AND HE KEPT QUOTING THE SCRIPTURES OF
11:28, 29, 30, MATTHEW, IN MATTHEW,
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE YOKE IS EASY,
THE BURDEN IS LIGHT,
COME TO ME AND I'LL GIVE YOU REST.
IF YOU'RE BURDENED, IF YOU'RE THIS.
AND I'M LIKE, AND COME AND LEARN FROM ME.
AND I'M LIKE, WOW.
I HAVE ALL THOSE HINDU LORDS IN HERE,
BUT THEY'RE NOT EASY.
YOKING IS A HINDU TERM.
IT'S NOT EASY.
IT'S HARD.
IT'S PAINFUL.
AND THIS LORD'S SAYING THAT HE'S EASY.
SO I'M GONNA TRY HIM OUT.
SO WHEN THE PASTOR SAID
IF YOU'D LIKE TO RECEIVE HIM IN YOUR HEART,
COME ON OUT.
NOW, I WASN'T GOING OUT TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN.
I KNEW HOW TO INVITE LORDS INTO ME,
SO I WALKED OUT, SAID THE PRAYER,
INVITED THIS JESUS INTO MY HEART.
AND SO I DECIDED I WOULD TEST HIM FOR 12 MONTHS.
SO I HADN'T BECOME A CHRISTIAN.
PEOPLE WERE SAYING, OH, YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN NOW
BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT PRAYER.
I SAID, NO, I'M NOT.
I'M NOT A CHRISTIAN AT ALL.
I WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
I'M 300,000 LIFETIMES, YOU'RE ONLY ONE LIFETIME.
SO I THOUGHT, BUT I'LL CHECK HIM OUT.
SO I GOT A BIBLE AND FOR 12 MONTHS,
ANYTHING THAT I HAD NEEDED,
A MIRACLE IN HEALING,
FINANCES, GRIEF, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, EMOTIONAL,
ANYTIME I NEEDED SOMETHING,
I WOULD FIND IT IN THE WORD,
WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT IT,
AND I WOULD DO IT,
AND I'D HAVE A MIRACLE HAPPEN.
AND THEN ANOTHER MIRACLE.
AND SPIRITUAL THINGS THAT I HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED
BEFORE IN MY LIFE.
LIKE I HAD JOY HIT ME IN AN ASHRAM
BECAUSE I WASN'T GONNA CHANT TO HINDU LORDS,
I STARTED CHANTING THE NAME JESUS.
AND I STARTED GETTING JOY HITTING ME.
I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL YEARS LATER,
IT WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT HITTING ME.
I GOT THROWN OUT OF THE ASHRAM
BECAUSE I HAD TOO MUCH JOY.
IT WAS QUITE WEIRD.
SO I DID GET SAVED.
AND THEN I WENT AND GOT DELIVERED.
I GOT ALL THOSE HINDU LORDS OUT
AND I STAYED WITH JESUS.
BECAUSE HE WAS BETTER THAN ALL THE REST.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT I LOVE --
ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT YOUR STORY,
WHAT YOU JUST SAID,
IS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THAT IS SO COOL
THAT JESUS APPEARED TO YOU AND GOD THE FATHER,
LIKE SHROUDED IN HIS GLORY.
AND JESUS IS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER.
SO I'M THINKING THAT IS THE COOLEST THING
YOU COULD EVER SEE.
I WISH THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ME.
MAYBE SO, LORD.
BUT WHAT I LOVE IS THAT YOU HAD SPENT YOUR LIFE,
AND ALL OF THESE -- YOU HAD YOKED YOURSELF
TO ALL OF THESE LORDS.
YOU EXPERIENCED ALL THESE SPIRITUAL THINGS,
AND YET NOTHING COMPARED.
THE MOMENT YOU SAW JESUS,
YOU'RE LIKE, I'M GETTING THIS LORD.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
ALAN: EXACTLY.
AND IT'S THE PERFECT DESCRIPTION OF LIGHT AND DARK,
GOOD AND EVIL.
REBECCA: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT YOUR TESTIMONY,
IS THAT YOU JUST PUT IT TO THE TEST.
YOU HAD NOTHING BLOCKING YOU.
YOU'RE JUST LIKE I'M GONNA GIVE --
I'M JUST GONNA ASK GOD.
AND I ALMOST FEEL LIKE BECAUSE OF
THE PURITY OF YOUR HEART,
AND GOD WANTING TO REACH YOU,
GOD WAS LIKE, OH, YEAH, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU.
AND ONE OF THE COOLEST STORIES
IS THAT YOU READ SOMETHING,
YOU READ A SCRIPTURE, I THINK ABOUT HEALING.
SO SPEAK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
IN THAT SITUATION.
ALAN: YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GREW UP WITH
WAS A SHORT LEG,
LIKE A PHYSICAL SHORT LEG.
AND SO I'D OFTEN THROW MY BACK OUT.
AND PAINFULLY, LIKE I'D BE IN BED FOR DAYS.
WELL, THAT HAPPENED IN THAT 12-MONTH PERIOD.
AND I'M LIKE, OH, I'M NOT GONNA CHANT,
I'M NOT GONNA GO AND RAISE THIS,
YOU KNOW, KUNDALINI SPIRIT OR ANYTHING.
I'VE GOT TO STAY FOCUSED ON JESUS.
SO WHAT DID HE SAY TO DO?
AND IT SAID LAY HANDS ON THE SICK.
I PUT MY HAND ON MY BACK,
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO
A CHIROPRACTOR OR NOT,
BUT A CHIROPRACTOR, WHEN THEY ADJUST YOU,
EVERYTHING CRACKS.
I LAID MY HAND ON IT AND I JUST SAID,
IN THE NAME OF JESUS,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE SAID TO DO.
I PUT MY HAND THERE, AND MY WHOLE BACK CRACKED.
IT COMPLETELY CRACKED.
LIKE LOUD NOISE AND EVERYTHING.
AND I WAS LIKE, I HAD NO IDEA WHO DID THAT,
WHAT HAPPENED.
BUT FROM THAT DAY TILL NOW,
I'VE NEVER HAD THE PROBLEM.
NEVER THROWN MY BACK OUT.
IT'S COMPLETELY HEALED.
REBECCA: THAT IS SUCH A GOOD STORY.
AND, SEE, YOU JUST HAD LIKE THIS CHILDLIKE FAITH,
BECAUSE YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, IF IT SAYS IT,
THEN IT'S TRUE.
AND I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE,
WE'VE GOT TO RETURN TO THAT PLACE.
LIKE, GOD'S WORD IS TRUE.
DON'T ALLOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID
OR MAYBE EVEN YOUR OWN LIFE EXPERIENCES
AND DISAPPOINTMENTS,
KEEP YOU FROM THAT TRUTH,
THAT WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE.
AND GOD'S A GOOD FATHER
THAT WANTS TO BLESS, HEAL, AND DELIVER HIS CHILDREN.
ALAN: YEP.
I'M A PERFECT TESTIMONY OF THAT.
PERFECT.
I WORKED FOR THE ENEMY
AND THEN I FOUND THAT WORKING FOR GOD WAS BETTER.
I DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T HAVE OPTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE CHOICES.
THAT'S IT.
EVEN TODAY, AFTER ALL THIS TIME,
I STILL GO STRAIGHT TO THE BIBLE FOR AN ANSWER.
AND I FIND IT.
AND IT IS AN INNOCENT FAITH.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE OTHER, THE OTHER CAMP
IS NOT A GOOD CAMP TO SEEK.
REBECCA: HUH-HUH.
OKAY. SO YOU REALIZE,
YOU HAVE THIS ENCOUNTER WITH THE LORD,
YOU TEST HIM FOR 12 MONTHS.
WHEN DID YOU OFFICIALLY GET SAVED
AND FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT,
AND ALSO TALK ABOUT MEETING WITH YOUR GURU
AND TELLING HIM ABOUT YOUR WONDERFUL DISCOVERY
OF THE LORD JESUS.
ALAN: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I FELT LIKE
WHEN I SAID THE PRAYER I WAS ACTUALLY --
GOD HONORED THAT.
AT THAT TIME WHEN I WAS IN THE CHURCH.
YOU KNOW, I FELT GOD HONORED THAT IN MY SPIRIT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME
I'D EVER FELT SOMETHING IN MY SPIRIT,
NOT IN MY SOUL, BUT IN MY SPIRIT.
AND I FELT LIKE SOMETHING HAD TURNED AROUND
UPSIDE DOWN.
AND THEN FROM THEN ON,
THAT POWER, EVERY TIME I SOUGHT JESUS INSTEAD,
WAS MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN THE POWER OF THE
OTHER LORDS, HINDU LORDS.
BUT AFTER 12 MONTHS, I'M EXCITED.
I'M IN A BELIEF SYSTEM IN THE NEW AGE
THAT MANY PATHS LEAD TO GOD.
YOU STUDY AND LEARN EVERYTHING YOU CAN.
IT'S A SMORGASBOARD.
SO I GO TO THE GURU AND I TELL HIM,
I START -- I'M GONNA TELL HIM ABOUT JESUS.
AND AS SOON AS I STARTED TO TELL HIM ABOUT JESUS,
HE STARTED GETTING ANGRY.
AND I THOUGHT, OH, WHY IS HE GETTING ANGRY?
I'M LIKE, NO, THIS GOD WAS BETTER,
I TESTED HIM.
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
AND THEN HIS FACE, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE
CHRISTMAS TO HALLOWEEN.
HIS FACE TURNED VERY DEMONIC.
LIKE VERY EVIL-LOOKING, SCARY EVIL.
LIKE YOU SEE IN SOME OF THE MOVIES
AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN AS SOON AS --
AND HE CONTINUED TO SCREAM AND YELL
AND THEN THREW ME OUT OF HIS OFFICE.
GOT PEOPLE TO TAKE ME OUT OF THE BUILDING,
TO ESCORT ME OUT.
EXCOMMUNICATED ME.
SENT, BACK THEN, FAXES ALL AROUND THE WORLD,
COMMUNICATION, THROWING ME OUT OF EVERY ORGANIZATION
AND ALSO TOLD TO STAY AWAY FROM ME.
THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM,
AS I WILL AFFECT THEIR LIVES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
REBECCA: BLACKLISTED.
ALAN: SO, YEAH.
SO THEN, PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS LATER,
A PASTOR -- I WENT INTO A CHURCH SAYING WHAT DO I DO?
AND NOT MANY PEOPLE COULD TALK TO ME
BECAUSE I'M NOT CHANGED, I'M BORN AGAIN,
BUT MY MOUTH, MY --
YOU KNOW, I POINTED IN THE FRONT,
OH, THERE'S AN ANGEL THERE.
OH, LOOK AT THIS.
AND YOU SEE HOW THAT'S HAPPENING?
AND PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT ME GOING, HOW DID YOU --
AND I USED NEW AGE TERMS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I FREAKED OUT A FEW PEOPLE.
BUT EVENTUALLY THIS VISITING PASTOR CAME
AND SPOKE, PULLED ME UP,
SPOKE A WORD OVER ME,
WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING,
BUT IT WAS A WORD OF PROPHECY.
READ MY MOUTH.
AND THEN ASKED IF HE COULD MENTOR ME.
AND HE DID FOR THREE YEARS.
SO I LEARNED ABOUT THE BIBLE,
I LEARNED ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT,
I LEARNED ABOUT HIM,
I LEARNED ABOUT JESUS.
I WENT TO BIBLE COLLEGE.
I NEEDED TO LEARN BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO EVER BE
DECEIVED AGAIN.
THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANTED.
PLUS, I WANTED TO KNOW
WHAT DID THE REAL SPIRIT FEEL LIKE
VERSUS THE DECEPTION.
BECAUSE THE ENEMY TRIES TO KEEP THEM CLOSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I DID.
REBECCA: THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT YOUR TESTIMONY,
BECAUSE WHEN YOU WENT UP TO RECEIVE THE LORD JESUS,
YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE INTENTION OF
BECOMING A CHRISTIAN,
AND YET GOD HONORED YOU.
AND IN THAT MOMENT IN YOUR SPIRIT,
YOU WERE SAVED.
BUT WHAT CAME LATER WAS THE TRANSFORMATION
OF YOUR SOUL,
WHICH IS A PROCESS,
AND THERE'S DISCIPLESHIP INVOLVED.
AND THAT'S -- I THINK ONE OF MY PROFESSORS IN SCHOOL,
HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT INSTANTLY KNOWS.
YOUR SPIRIT IS INSTANTLY SAVED.
BUT THE MIND, THE HEART, THIS TAKES TIME.
AND SO I LOVE THAT YOU, LIKE, SPEAK ON THAT
BECAUSE GOD WILL HONOR YOU RIGHT WHERE YOU WERE AT.
BUT HE WILL ALSO TAKE YOU THROUGH A PROCESS.
SO I LOVE THAT YOU TALK ABOUT MENTORSHIP,
YOU TALKED ABOUT GOING TO BIBLE SCHOOL.
I WENT TO BIBLE SCHOOL AND I LOVED IT.
BUT TELL US ABOUT THE DELIVERANCE PROCESS.
BECAUSE DELIVERANCE IS ANOTHER THING
THAT ISN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT IN CHURCH.
ALAN: NOT ANYMORE, NO, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED FOR ME WAS THAT --
WELL, THE PASTOR WAS MENTORING ME,
DISCIPLESHIP, SAID, WHEN HE TOLD ME ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED,
WHAT WERE THE RITUALS,
I EXPLAINED THE RITUALS THAT I DID.
I APPROXIMATELY HAD, I DON'T KNOW,
15, 16, 17, I DON'T KNOW,
EVERY YEAR I GOT A NEW ONE
AND SOMETIMES IT WAS EXTRA OR WHATEVER
SO I DIDN'T KNOW.
HE EXPLAINED TO ME A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT DELIVERANCE.
HE TALKED TO ME.
WE WENT THROUGH A PRAYER SESSION.
IT --
FOR ME, I THINK IT HAD TO BE THIS WAY.
I WAS DELIVERED AND HE DID IT ONE BY ONE.
NAMING AND CASTING OUT.
GETTING DELIVERANCE.
BUT IT WASN'T A HARD PROCESS.
I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE DO
AND THEY NEED TO --
YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING CAST AWAY,
IT'S A PAINFUL PROCESS.
FOR ME IT WAS ACTUALLY --
EVERY TIME ONE LEFT, I FELT MORE PEACEFUL.
AND I FELT MORE --
AND I'D FEEL WEIGHT COMING OFF ME.
SO I ACTUALLY HAD A VERY JOYFUL DELIVERANCE.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T SHARE THAT WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE
BECAUSE THEY GET UPSET.
I'M LIKE, BUT THAT'S WHO MY JESUS IS.
HE CAME TO THE CROSS ONCE.
I DON'T NEED TO KEEP PUTTING HIM BACK
ON THE CROSS ALL THE TIME.
HE'S DONE IT.
THE WORK'S DONE.
HE'S GIVEN ME AUTHORITY FROM THE ENEMY.
AND I HAVE AUTHORITY.
I'M NOT GONNA OPEN THAT DOOR
AND LET THE ENEMY COME IN.
HE CAN'T.
HE'S GOT NO AUTHORITY.
I'VE GOT IT.
AND I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT.
SO IT WAS THE SAME WITH MY DELIVERANCE.
AND SO FROM THAT POINT ON,
I NEVER LET ANYTHING COME NEAR ME.
ANY THOUGHT, ANY DEMONIC THOUGHT,
ANY DEMONIC FEELING, NOTHING.
BECAUSE I KNEW MY AUTHORITY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT,
I THEN GOT BAPTIZED IN WATER
BECAUSE I WANTED TO CLEAN EVERYTHING OUT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS,
WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT IT WAS,
WHEN I COME UP OUT OF THE WATER,
I HAD A HOLY LANGUAGE.
I HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT LANGUAGE
AS SOON AS I CAME OUT OF THE WATER.
REBECCA: INSTANTANEOUSLY.
THAT IS SO COOL.
I LOVE IT.
TELL ME ABOUT WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO GET
FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT,
AND WHAT'S IT LIKE HAVING A RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT,
WHO HAS TO BE SO MUCH BETTER
THAN ALL THOSE OTHER WEIRD SPIRITS.
ALAN: OH, YEAH.
IT'S LIKE ANY DESCRIPTION WILL NOT DO IT JUSTICE.
I LOVE HIM.
HOLY SPIRIT'S MY BEST FRIEND.
I KNOW HE'S AROUND ME.
HE'S PROTECTING ME.
IT'S OFTEN THE FIRST THING THAT COMES OUT
OF MY MOUTH, IS THANKING HIM
AND PRAYING WITH HIM.
BECAUSE HE DISCERNS EVERYTHING FOR ME.
SO I TRUST HIM.
I DON'T JUST BELIEVE IN HIM, I TRUST HIM.
REBECCA: YOU JUST TAPPED ON SOMETHING
REALLY IMPORTANT.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT
AND THEN WE'RE LED BY THE SPIRIT.
AND THAT'S LIKE A DAILY THING.
AND WE HAVE TO BE OBEDIENT.
WE NEED TO BE INSTANTLY OBEDIENT.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY.
BUT THEN I FEEL LIKE YOU KIND OF DEVELOP
THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO PEOPLE
WHO MAYBE ARE STRUGGLING WITH DISCERNING
AND HEARING THE VOICE OF GOD,
WHAT IS A WAY YOU COULD SIMPLY DESCRIBE
HAVING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
AND HEARING HIS VOICE?
ALAN: THE BEST DESCRIPTION I CAN GIVE YOU
IS ONE DAY I WAS PREACHING,
AND WE WENT BACK TO THE PASTOR'S HOUSE.
AND ALL THE WOMEN WERE IN THE KITCHEN
AND ALL THE MEN WERE IN THE LOUNGE ROOM,
OR THE LIVING ROOM.
AND IT WAS INTERESTING, THE WOMEN WERE TALKING,
AND THIS IS A MIRACLE,
THEY ALL TALK AT ONCE AND ALL HEAR EACH OTHER,
AND THAT'S FINE.
AND AS THEY WERE DOING THAT,
I COULDN'T REALLY HEAR ANYTHING
EXCEPT I HEARD MY WIFE'S VOICE.
I RECOGNIZED MY WIFE'S VOICE.
AND I FELT AT THAT TIME GOD SAID,
HOW COME YOU CAN --
HOW COME YOU RECOGNIZE YOUR WIFE'S VOICE
ABOVE ALL THE OTHER VOICES?
AND I WENT, WELL, I SPEND TIME WITH HER.
I LOVE HER.
I CHERISH HER.
I DO THINGS FOR HER
THAT MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO DO, BUT I DO THINGS.
AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
AND HE SAID, YEAH, WHEN YOU DO THAT FOR ME,
THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
AND YOU'LL KNOW IT'S ME TALKING,
NOT SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I DID THAT.
I WOULD GO OUT --
SEE, SOMETIMES I'D GO OUT FOR COFFEE WITH MY WIFE
WHEN I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF WORK,
BUT I WOULD DO THAT FOR HER.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW GOD INSTRUCTED ME
TO LAY MY LIFE DOWN FOR HER.
SO I DO THAT.
I'LL GO -- I WATCH HALLMARK MOVIES WITH HER.
YOU KNOW, I MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY LIKE THAT,
BUT I DO THAT SO I KNOW HER.
SEE, I DO IT SO I KNOW HER.
I DON'T DO IT TO GET BROWNIE POINTS.
I DO IT TO KNOW HER AND WHAT SHE LOVES.
AND SO THE HOLY SPIRIT SAID
THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED FROM ME.
SO I SOMETIMES GO OUT FOR COFFEE
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
I DON'T TALK TO HIM AT THE OTHER TABLE NEXT TO ME
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I KNOW I'M WITH HIM.
I'VE EVEN DONE A RETREAT.
I WENT AWAY FOR TWO DAYS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
IN A LITTLE CABIN
AND I JUST SPENT TIME WITH HIM,
AND TALKING WITH HIM, AND TRYING TO HEAR FROM HIM,
AND LEARNING HOW TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S HOW HE TAUGHT ME,
WAS I HAVE TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP.
NOT AN ACQUAINTANCE.
AND THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR HIS VOICE,
JUST LIKE I HEAR MY WIFE'S VOICE.
REBECCA: YOU KNOW WHAT?
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS
WHERE THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE GOD IS LIKE,
COME SPEND TIME WITH ME.
AND IT MIGHT BE LIKE A BUSY DAY
AND YOU'RE THINKING, AHH.
BUT IT'S NEVER --
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS
I READ IN ONE OF MY DEVOTIONALS IS
TIME SPENT WITH GOD IN OBEDIENCE TO GOD
IS TIME NEVER WASTED.
AND IT'S LIKE A SPIRITUAL INVESTMENT
THAT YOU WILL SEE ALL THE WAY, EVEN INTO ETERNITY.
AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
ALAN: YOU THINK ABOUT THIS.
I SPENT TWO HOURS A DAY, MINIMUM,
WITH THE ENEMY DOING SPIRITUAL RITUALS
AND SPIRITUAL EXERCISES,
SO I CAN AT LEAST DO TWO FOR THE LORD JESUS.
REBECCA: I WAS INTERVIEWING JOHN RAMIREZ,
WHO IS A FORMER SATANIST,
AND HE SAID THAT IN THE SATANIC CHURCH
THAT HE WAS IN, THEY NEVER --
NOT ONLY WERE THEY VERY DEVOTED,
THEY WOULD NEVER MINGLE WITH ANYTHING CHRISTIAN.
AND YOU SEE THIS DEVOTION AND THIS DEDICATION,
IN LIKE THE NEW AGE AND SATANISM.
ALL THESE PEOPLE BASICALLY WORSHIPING THE DEVIL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT FACES,
BUT IT ALL LEADS BACK TO THE SAME SOURCE, RIGHT.
AND SO WE, AS BELIEVERS,
HE DOESN'T DESERVE ANYTHING,
GOD DESERVES EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE THAT'S SUCH A GOOD POINT.
I'M SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
WE SHOULD BE THE MOST DEDICATED
AND THE MOST DEVOTED
BECAUSE HE'S GIVEN EVERYTHING TO US.
AND WHAT I LOVE IS,
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS YOU SAID,
IS YOU WOULD DO THESE THINGS WITH YOUR WIFE,
NOT TO EARN BROWNIE POINTS WITH HER,
BUT TO KNOW HER AND TO GET TO KNOW HER.
AND ONE OF THE BEST THINGS EVER
IS LEARNING WHAT IS GOD'S HEART
AND WHAT IS ON HIS HEART.
AND WHEN YOU STOP JUST ASKING GOD
FOR WHAT YOU NEED IN YOUR LIFE,
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT,
I DO THAT STILL OBVIOUSLY ALL THE TIME
AS THINGS COME UP,
BUT I'VE LEARNED JUST RECENTLY,
GOD, WHAT IS ON YOUR HEART?
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO PRAY FOR?
WHAT IS --
AND GOD, WHEN HE SHARES THAT WITH YOU,
THAT RELATIONSHIP, THAT INTIMACY WITH HIM,
THERE'S JUST NOTHING LIKE IT.
AND I WANT ALL BELIEVERS TO GET TO THAT PLACE
WHERE THEY CAN JUST HAVE THAT KNOWING HIM
AND DOING THINGS FOR HIM,
NOT JUST FOR US.
ALAN: VERY TRUE.
REBECCA: WELL, THIS CONVERSATION
HAS BEEN SO COMPELLING,
WE COULDN'T FIT IT INTO TWO SHOWS.
BE SURE TO CHECK OUT PART THREE.
YOU CAN ALSO FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM
@REBECCALAMBWEISS.
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