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REBECCA: HEY, GUYS.
WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER EPISODE OF
ON AIR WITH REBECCA.
OKAY, SO I'M VERY EXCITED
AND HONORED TO HAVE TODAY'S GUEST WITH US.
HE'S A FORMER HIGH-RANKING LEADER
IN THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT.
AND HE'S THE FOUNDER OF KINGDOM BUSINESS MINISTRIES.
AND TODAY HE'S GONNA BE SHARING HIS TESTIMONY
ABOUT BEING RAISED IN THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT,
RISING UP THROUGH THE RANKS,
BECOMING A PROMINENT LEADER,
ONLY FOR JESUS TO REVEAL HIMSELF
MIRACULOUSLY TO HIM,
AND MIRACULOUSLY SAVING HIM.
JOINING US ALL THE WAY FROM CALGARY, CANADA,
WELCOME TO THE SHOW, ALAN STRUDWICK.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR.
ALAN: YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON THE SHOW.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.
REBECCA: I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
I, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS,
WE JUST LAUNCHED THIS PODCAST.
AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
WAS THE NEW AGE.
JOHN PAUL JACKSON,
WHO WAS A SPIRITUAL MENTOR IN MY LIFE,
HE WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.
HE WAS, YOU KNOW, A PROPHET.
AND HE SAW HOW SO MANY CHRISTIANS
WERE BEING DECEIVED AND WERE DRAWN
INTO THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT
BECAUSE OF THE SPIRITUAL POWER
AND HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE MINISTRY OF JUST REACHING OUT,
GOING TO NEW AGE FESTIVALS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND WHAT'S KIND OF DISCONCERTING
AND WHY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS,
IS SO MUCH OF THE NEW AGE
HAS PERMEATED INTO THE CHURCH AND INTO CULTURE.
THAT WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND
THE ROOTS OF THE DECEPTION BEHIND IT.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY PERMEATING OUR CHURCHES.
SO I THOUGHT NO ONE BETTER TO TALK TO THAN YOU.
SO LET'S START AT THE BEGINNING.
GROWING UP...
ALAN: OKAY.
REBECCA: TELL US WHERE YOU GREW UP.
AND GIVE US YOUR STORY.
ALAN: OKAY, WELL, I DIDN'T GROW UP ANYTHING
NEAR A CHRISTIAN HOME
OR ANY CHRISTIANS THAT, YOU KNOW,
THAT COULD INFLUENCE ME IN ANY WAY.
I ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS 11 YEARS OLD,
MY PARENTS WERE INTO SPIRITUALISM AND OCCULTISM,
AND NEW AGE HINDUISM,
AND A BIG ORDER OF THINGS.
BUT WHEN I WAS 11,
I ACTUALLY IN THE SCHOOLYARD
WENT UNCONSCIOUS,
BUT HAD A VISION
OF BEING IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, WEARING BUSINESS SUITS
AND BEING ALL PROFESSIONAL.
AND THEN THE INTERESTING THING WAS
WHEN I WOKE UP
IN THE PLAYGROUND,
I FELT LIKE I HAD COME BACK INTO MY YOUNGER BODY.
THAT I HAD BEEN -- I HAD ALMOST LIKE,
I DIDN'T HAVE WORDS FOR IT,
BUT I HAD COME BACK INTO MY BODY.
SO FOR THE NEXT THREE DAYS,
I FELT LIKE I WAS THIS 50-YEAR-OLD
IN AN 11-YEAR-OLD BODY.
IT WAS VERY STRANGE,
AND I HAD NO GRID FOR IT.
THEN THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT,
IS I MOVED IN WITH MY FATHER AT 13.
AND HE WAS VERY SPIRITUAL,
AS I SAID.
HE WAS ALSO A VERY RICH MAN.
SO, WHEN WE WERE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA THEN,
HE WOULD FLY GURUS, PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE,
NEW AGE LEADERS,
INTO AUSTRALIA TO RUN CONFERENCES.
AND THEN I WOULD GET TO SIT
AT THEIR FEET IN OUR LIVING ROOM
AND HEAR THIS WISDOM.
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT
ONE OF THE GURUS THAT WAS THERE
WHO TOTALLY INTO HINDU FAITH,
HINDU REINCARNATION, EVOLVING YOUR SOUL,
HE GAVE ME AN EXPLANATION.
IT WAS DECEPTION,
BUT HE GAVE ME
THE EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO ME
WHEN I WAS 11.
THAT I WAS AN EVOLVING SOUL,
AND I HAD A CHANCE GO BACK AND START AGAIN.
IN FACT, THE ENEMY ALWAYS WORKS ON EGO.
AND MY GURU TOLD ME
THAT I HAD BEEN HERE AS A LIFETIME AS MY SOUL
FOR OVER 300,000 LIFETIMES.
SO THAT MEANT LIKE I'M VERY EVOLVED.
AND SO HE ASKED MY PARENTS
IF I COULD BE AN INITIATE UNDER HIM.
SO AT 13,
I WAS AN INITIATE UNDER A HINDU GURU.
REBECCA: DO YOU THINK THAT
HE MIGHT HAVE SEEN
THE CALL AND ANOINTING ON YOUR LIFE AND MAYBE WANTED
TO HONE IN ON THAT?
ALAN: OH, DEFINITELY.
I DEFINITELY KNOW NOW
THAT THE ENEMY DEFINITELY SEES THINGS
AND KNOWS THING
IN THAT REALM OF DESTINIES AND PURPOSES ON PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY HE COMES TO DECEIVE
AND CREATE A DELUSION ON PEOPLE'S LIVES.
SO DEFINITELY, I MEAN, I BELIEVE HE WAS CONTROLLED
BY THE ENEMY.
AND HE DEFINITELY PROBABLY
SAW WHAT WAS ON MY LIFE
THAT GOD HAD INTENDED.
BUT HE CAME ALONG TO DECEIVE ME
AND TO RUN ME IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
REBECCA: ABSOLUTELY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE DRAWN TO THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT
WHO HAVE THAT KIND OF SPIRITUAL GIFTING,
PROPHETIC GIFTING,
AND THEN THEY GET SUCKED IN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED
FROM JOHN PAUL IS HE SAID, YOU KNOW,
THEY HAVE THIS GIFT FROM GOD,
AND THE GIFTS OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPROACH,
BUT THEY'LL TUNE INTO A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
SO A DEMONIC SOURCE.
SO TELL US, YOU'RE UNDERNEATH THESE GURUS.
PROBABLY SOME OF THE BEST OF THE BEST
AND YOU'RE GETTING ALL OF THIS WISDOM.
WHAT DID THEY BEGIN TO TEACH YOU
AND WHAT WERE THE THINGS
THAT YOU BEGAN PRACTICE?
ALAN: WELL, IN FACT, THEIR AIM WAS TO TRAIN ME UP
SO EVENTUALLY I WOULD BE A LEADER
AND THEN SPREAD THEIR WISDOM AROUND THE PLANET
AND AROUND EARTH.
BUT WHAT I DID IS EVERY YEAR
THE GURU WOULD SPIRITUALLY INITIATE ME WITH A HINDU LORD.
SO YOU WOULD TAKE IT ON SPIRITUALLY,
IT WOULD EVOKE OR YOKE INTO YOU.
YOU WOULD FOLLOW THAT LORD.
AND EVERY YEAR, AS MY SOUL SUPPOSEDLY ADVANCED,
IS HOW I WOULD RECEIVE ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER
ONE AND ANOTHER ONE.
SO I WAS, THE REASON I WAS DOING THAT WAS TWOFOLD.
ONE, THE BELIEF IN HINDUISM IS THAT
YOU EVENTUALLY CAN REINCARNATE
AND BE SPIRITUALLY EVOLVED,
THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO COME BACK TO EARTH.
YOU CAN THEN GO OFF
INTO THE NIRVANA HEAVEN.
THE SECOND REASON WAS THAT
THE MORE I EVOLVED,
AND THE MORE HINDU AND LORDS I HAD INVOKED IN ME,
THAT RAN MY LIFE,
THE MORE POWER I WOULD HAVE.
AND THE MORE I WOULD BE LIKE A GOD
AND LIKE MYSELF AS A GOD.
AND THAT I WOULD THEN HAVE MORE POWER
TO DO THE THINGS THAT I NEEDED TO DO.
SO AFTER THOSE INITIATIONS,
AND THE RITUALS INVOLVED IN IT,
THEY THEN ALSO TAUGHT ME
EVERYTHING THAT EXISTED,
AND STILL EXISTS AROUND TODAY.
ANYTHING IN NEW AGE,
ANYTHING TO DO WITH HINDUISM.
ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANCIENT SCRIPTS OR ANCIENT
TECHNIQUES OF THINGS THEY TAUGHT ME.
REBECCA: SO WHAT'S SO CRAZY
IS I READ THAT THE FIRST TIME YOU WENT THROUGH THIS
RITUAL OF THE YOKING,
I BELIEVE YOU WERE 13.
SO YOU WERE VERY YOUNG.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE?
DID THE PRESENCE THAT CAME INTO YOU,
WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS A DEMON?
AND DID IT FEEL EVIL AT THE TIME,
OR DID IT JUST FEEL LIKE POWER?
ALAN: IT DIDN'T FEEL LIKE EVIL,
BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A GRID FOR EVIL.
IN FACT, MOST OF EVERYTHING
I WAS INVOLVED IN
NEVER BELIEVED THAT THERE WAS SUCH A THING
AS EVIL OR A DEVIL OR AN ENEMY.
SO IT MANIFESTED IN POWER.
IT MANIFESTED IN POWER
AND ALSO IN WISDOM.
I WOULD HAVE, THOSE LORDS WOULD VISIT ME SOMETIMES
AT DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE DAY,
AND THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE LIGHT BEINGS,
OR SPIRIT GUIDE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND THEY WOULD GIVE ME WISDOM
OF WHAT I WAS TO DO
AND HOW I WAS TO EVOLVE.
AND THEN I WOULD USE THAT,
ESPECIALLY WHEN I GOT OLDER.
SO BY THE TIME I REACHED MY MID 20S,
I ACTUALLY MOVED TO L.A.
TO BE CLOSER
TO EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING
AND LEFT AUSTRALIA.
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY,
THEY THEN STARTED TO TRAIN ME
INTO DOING EVEN MORE SPIRITUAL THINGS MYSELF.
SO OFFICIALLY, I BECAME A LEADER.
I BECAME, ALMOST TO THE POINT, WHERE I COULD BE IN
THE INNER CIRCLE WITH THE GURU.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY,
THEY TRAINED ME
IN CERTAIN PRACTICES TO THE POINT
THAT I WOULD REACH A MASTER LEVEL
OR A SPIRITUAL MASTER LEVEL.
SO THEN I COULD GO OUT AND TEACH THEM.
SO IT WAS ALL ABOUT POWER
AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT, EVEN FALSE HEALINGS WOULD
HAPPEN AS WELL,
UNDER THAT BANNER.
BUT WE NEVER, WE NEVER BELIEVED
IT WAS EVIL.
I NEVER HAD A GRID FOR THAT.
I DID EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO MY HEART.
I WANT MY HEART,
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW GOD CREATED ME
WAS TO HELP TRANSFORM LIVES.
AND HELP PEOPLE LIVE A MORE SUCCESSFUL,
HAPPIER LIFE TO DO WITH GOD.
BUT I'M NOT KNOWING THAT
THE ENEMY WANTED TO TWIST IT
SO THAT MY HEART,
THAT WANTED TO JUST HELP PEOPLE AND LOVE THEM,
WAS DECEIVED AND DELUSIONED OVER HERE
WITH THAT DECEPTION.
SO THAT I'D ACTUALLY DO THE OPPOSITE.
REBECCA: THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS
I LOVED ABOUT YOUR STORY
IS THAT YOU HAD THIS CALLING TO HELP PEOPLE,
AND YOU EVEN SAW IT WHEN YOU WERE 11 YEARS OLD
AND YOU HAD THIS VISION FROM GOD.
BUT IT WAS INGRAINED IN YOU,
YOUR CALLING AND YOUR PURPOSE.
AND YOU WERE JUST WALKING IT OUT
THE WAY YOU KNEW AT THE TIME.
BUT YOU WEREN'T, LIKE YOU SAID,
LEADING PEOPLE, HELPING PEOPLE,
EVEN THOUGH THAT'S WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING.
BECAUSE YOU WERE DOING WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS RIGHT.
AND YOU TAPPED IN SOMETHING
THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT IS,
AND I'M SO GLAD YOU SAID IT.
IS THAT IN NEW AGE,
YOU ARE TAUGHT THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL,
WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN LEARN ABOUT THAT UNTIL TODAY.
WHICH IS KIND OF A VERY DANGEROUS NOTION
TO BELIEVE IN.
AND THEN ALSO THAT THESE BEINGS,
WHO CAME TO YOU,
CAME TO YOU AS A FIGURE OF LIGHT.
SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT
THESE LORDS WERE GOOD.
ALAN: YOU WOULD THINK THAT,
BUT THEY'RE NOT.
REBECCA: WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT
HAS A STRONG INFLUENCE IN HOLLYWOOD, IN L.A.,
AND HOW DID YOU SEE THAT?
ALAN: YES, DEFINITELY.
IN FACT, IN THE ORGANIZATION
UNDER THE GURU THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN,
IT WAS VERY SECRET.
BUT WE ACTUALLY OWNED DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE HAD UNIVERSITIES THAT WE OWNED.
COLLEGES, MEDICAL CENTERS, DIFFERENT PLACES THAT
BEHIND THE SCENES,
WE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING,
BUT THE PUBLIC WOULDN'T.
EVEN BUSINESS CONSULTING,
THOSE TYPES OF SEMINARS.
WE WOULD TAKE ALL OF THE NEW AGE PRINCIPLES
AND TAKE THEM INTO THESE COMPANIES.
THE INTERESTING THING WHEN YOU SAY HOLLYWOOD,
WE ACTUALLY, AND THERE'S MOVEMENTS LIKE SCIENTOLOGY,
AND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT ARE AROUND TODAY
WILL DO THAT.
WE DID THE SAME.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY IN THE EARLY 90S,
WE ACTUALLY HAD CERTAIN FAMOUS ACTORS
WORKING WITH US PR-WISE,
SO THAT THEY'D BE THE HEAD OR THE FRONT OF THINGS
THAT I WAS DOING.
I WOULDN'T NAME THEM RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEY ACTUALLY WERE PART OF WHAT WE WERE DOING.
THERE'S EVEN A LADY TODAY
THAT HAS A VERY FAMOUS NEWSPAPER
THAT IS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY TOO MUCH.
BUT SHE WAS PART OF THE WHOLE MOVEMENT AND STILL IS,
THAT STILL EXISTS TODAY.
SO BEHIND HOLLYWOOD, THE ACTORS,
THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
THEY KNOW THE PLANS THAT ARE GOING ON.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING AT SOME POINT
IF YOU WANT ME TO GET TO THAT.
BUT EVEN SOME OF THE SECRET MEETINGS
THAT I GOT INVITED INTO,
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WERE THERE.
AND THEY KNEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING.
AND IT'S SUCH A DECEPTION.
BECAUSE AFTER I FINALLY GOT OUT AND RESCUED OF IT,
THE INTERESTING THING IS I THOUGHT,
WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE
HOLLYWOOD ACTORS, WHO ARE PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ACT,
THEY'RE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.
THEY'RE ACTING,
AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT IT.
WHY DOES THE PUBLIC BELIEVE THAT?
THAT'S THE ULTIMATE, I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT,
EXCEPT FOR THE POWER OF DECEPTION.
REBECCA: THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD POINT, THOUGH.
AND I'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
IF ANYONE COULD PULL SOMETHING OFF
AND BE DECEPTIVE,
IT WOULD BE ACTORS AND ACTRESSES
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING.
THEY PUT ON A SHOW.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS
I WANT TO DO ON THIS PODCAST,
AND I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT,
IS THE FACT THAT
SO MANY CHRISTIANS
HAVE GOOD HEARTS AND GOOD INTENTIONS.
BUT THEY'RE NOT AWARE
THAT THE DEVIL IS REAL.
OR THEY REALLY NOT HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING
OF SPIRITUAL WARFARE.
AND THE DEVIL JUST CAN KIND OF KICK THEM AROUND
AND MESS WITH THEM
AND TEAR THEIR FAMILIES APART.
AND I THINK CHRISTIANS JUST SOMETIMES
BLINDLY LISTEN TO OR BLINDLY INFLUENCE, LIKE
THINGS LIKE HOLLYWOOD,
AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T REALIZE
WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE WORKING FOR
AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING INTO OUR HOMES.
SO SPEAK JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.
ALAN: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
THAT DECEPTION IS OUT THERE.
LET ME GIVE YOU THIS EXAMPLE.
IN ONE OF THE SECRET MEETINGS THAT WE HAD,
WE TALKED ABOUT TWO THINGS.
ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEW WORLD ORDER,
WHICH I CAN COME BACK TO LATER.
AND A ONE WORLD RELIGION,
AND WE DISCUSSED STRATEGIES
OF WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR THAT.
BUT THE THIRD THING,
AND THIS WAS SOMETHING
THAT WAS ONE OF MY ASSIGNMENTS.
IT WAS ASSIGNED TO ME.
IS THAT IN A HINDUISTIC BELIEF,
WHEN WE BELIEVE THAT SOULS EVOLVE,
WE ACTUALLY WERE TAUGHT BY OUR GURU,
AND BELIEVED THAT CHRISTIANS WERE HERE FOR
THEIR FIRST LIFETIME.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE.
AND THEY WERE THE REASON FOR RACISM
AND THEY WERE THE REASON FOR INTOLERANCE, ETCETERA,
ETCETERA, ETCETERA, ETCETERA.
AND SO I WAS ACTUALLY ASSIGNED
AS THAT, THROUGHOUT THE REST OF MY LIFE,
AS I CONTINUED TO DO WHAT I WAS DOING,
MY JOB WAS TO WEAN CHRISTIANS AWAY
FROM THE ABSOLUTE, THAT JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD,
THAT HE WAS RESURRECTED,
THAT HE'S TAKEN BACK AUTHORITY.
MY JOB WAS TO WEAN THEM OUT OF THAT,
SO THAT THEY COULD EVOLVE.
SO MY HEART WAS RIGHT,
I THOUGHT WHAT I BELIEVED WAS TRUE,
THAT I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO HELP THEM EVOLVE BETTER.
BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT I WAS DOING
UNDER THAT DECEPTION,
WAS PULLING THEM AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.
BUT I WAS, I WAS TRAINED
IN DIFFERENT MANIPULATIVE NARRATIVES
AND LINGUISTIC PROGRAMMING AND EVERYTHING
OF HOW TO TRAIN
AND PULL A CHRISTIAN,
OR PULL A PERSON AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.
SO THAT IN SUCH TIME,
THEY WILL WEAN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME,
AND NOT EVEN KNOW THEY'D WEANED AWAY FROM IT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY,
I WAS SUCCESSFUL AT IT.
AND IT'S STILL HAPPENING TODAY
SOME OF THE STRATEGIES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
REBECCA: YES, AND THIS IS WHY
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF.
BUT I WANT TO HIT ON A FEW OF
THAT YOU LIST IN YOUR BOOK.
THIS IS ACTUALLY IN CHAPTER 3,
YOU LIST ON DIFFERENT PRACTICES
THAT YOU TRAINED IN.
AND YOU COMPLETED, AND OBVIOUSLY,
I WON'T HAVE TIME TALK
ABOUT ALL OF THEM.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T, WE CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT A FEW.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MEDITATION
BECAUSE I SEE THAT EVERYWHERE.
AND THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT MEDITATION,
BUT THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEW AGE MEDITATION,
AND BIBLICAL MEDITATION.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
ALAN: YEAH.
A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.
BIBLICAL MEDITATION IS WHERE
I'M CONSCIOUS, AND I'M FOCUSED ON A SCRIPTURE OR
THE WORD OF GOD.
AND I'M THINKING UPON IT.
I'M THINKING UPON IT.
I'M THINKING UPON THAT.
AND I'M OPENING UP ACTUALLY, MY SPIRIT,
MY MIND, MY SOUL.
I'M OPENING UP MY WILL TO THAT SCRIPTURE,
THAT TEACHING THAT GOD HAS BROUGHT FORTH.
AND I'M FOCUSED ON IT
SO THAT IT CAN START TO CHANGE MY LIFE.
IT CAN START TO CHANGE THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
WHETHER THAT'S -- FOCUS ON A SCRIPTURE
THAT BRINGS HEALING OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
SO IT'S A VERY FOCUSED-CONSCIOUS THING.
EASTERN MEDITATION IS TOTALLY THE COUNTERFEIT.
IT'S WHERE WE SHUT OURSELVES DOWN,
WE SHUT DOWN OUR INTELLECT,
WE SHUT DOWN OUR SOUL.
WE SHUT OURSELVES DOWN.
AND WE GO OFF INTO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TYPES OF,
HOW CAN I SAY IT?
PROBABLY DIFFERENT TYPES OF REALMS
THAT WE'RE NOT MEANT TO BE TOUCHING
OR GOING INTO.
NOW PEOPLE SOMETIMES COME AND ARGUE WITH ME,
I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT AS IF I JUST WROTE THE BOOKS.
I LIVED THIS.
I WORKED FOR THE ENEMY.
SO I UNDERSTAND HIS WAYS.
SOME PEOPLE COME TO ME AND SAY, OH, WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW,
PETER FELL INTO A TRANCE.
I'M LIKE, WELL, YEAH, BUT IT WAS LED BY GOD.
IT WAS A TRANCE THAT CAME FROM GOD.
AND IF ANYTHING IS DIRECTLY FROM GOD,
THEN WE'RE PROTECTED.
BUT IF WE, AS IN US,
THAT WE'RE LIKE THE SELF OUT OF OUR OWN SOUL,
WE END UP, ENDING UP IN PLACES
WHERE GOD CAN'T EVEN HELP US.
AND THERE'S SUCH DECEPTION THERE.
SO THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.
AND EVERYTHING YOU STUDY,
IF YOU WANTED TO,
BUT EVERYTHING YOU WOULD STUDY,
AND I DID THAT BACK IN THE NEW AGE
ABOUT EASTERN MEDITATION, IS TOTALLY FOCUSED ON
HINDU OR BUDDHIST GODS
AND LORDS RULING YOUR LIFE
VERSUS THE LORD.
SO AS A CHRISTIAN, IF YOU START TO DO IT,
YOU'RE MOVING INTO THE FOREIGN PRACTICES
THAT GOD WARNED THE OLD TESTAMENT PEOPLE
FOR OVER 250 TIMES
STAY AWAY FROM THE FOREIGN PRACTICES
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE.
REBECCA: YEAH, FOREIGN PRACTICES, FALSE GODS.
AND EVEN WHEN PETER FELL INTO A TRANCE,
HE WASN'T SEEKING AN EXPERIENCE.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST SEEK GOD IN HIS PRESENCE,
AND THEN WHATEVER HAPPENS, HAPPENS.
THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
OKAY, PSYCHIC READINGS.
BECAUSE I STILL SEE
ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THIS ONLINE
AND EVERYWHERE.
THERE'S A MOVIE COMING OUT EVEN RIGHT NOW
WHERE THERE'S A PSYCHIC IN IT.
AND SO I CONSTANTLY SEE, YOU KNOW, WITCHCRAFT AND MEDIA
BEING PRESENTED AS NORMAL.
ALAN: YEAH, WHICH IS PART OF THE PLAN OF THE ENEMY
TO TRY TO MAKE IT NORMAL
AND WEAN EVERYBODY DOWN TO IT,
INCLUDING CHRISTIANS.
BUT PSYCHIC READING, FIRST OF ALL,
IS A COUNTERFEIT OF PROPHECY,
OF THE PROPHETIC.
WHETHER THAT'S WORDS OF WISDOM,
WORDS OF KNOWLEDGE,
WHAT THAT MIGHT BE
AND THE PROPHECY.
BUT IT'S A DIRECT COUNTERFEIT TO IT.
AS YOU SAID, LIKE WE'RE SPIRITUAL BEINGS,
WE SEEK A SPIRITUAL GOD.
WE'RE HUNTING FOR THAT,
AND CHRISTIANS AS WELL,
AND HUNTING FOR THAT SUPERNATURAL.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT TAUGHT
HOW TO UNDERSTAND GOD'S GIFTS,
WHICH ARE, NUMBER ONE, LED BY THE SPIRIT,
NOT LED BY SELF.
THEY'RE LED BY THE SPIRIT,
THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE.
BUT RATHER THAN FOCUSING AND SEEKING AFTER THOSE GIFTS
TO BE PROFICIENT IN THEM,
AND TO UNDERSTAND THEM,
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE LAZY,
AND THEY JUST SEEK SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THEY'LL SEEK PSYCHIC STUFF.
AND I KNOW LOTS OF BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIANS,
EVEN TONGUE-SPEAKING CHRISTIANS
WILL ACTUALLY GO
AND DO PSYCHIC READING.
I THINK ONE, IT'S LAZY.
SECOND, THEY'RE LITERALLY DECEIVED.
AND THIRD, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T LIKE
WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GIVING THEM.
AND SO THEY SEEK A MORE,
IT'S MORE A RAZZLE-DAZZLE TYPE THING PSYCHIC STUFF.
FOR ME, PERSONALLY, THE DIFFERENCE,
BECAUSE WE'LL GET TO IT,
BUT WHEN I GOT SAVED,
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE SPIRIT WAS.
I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO DISCERN
BETWEEN AN EVIL SPIRIT
AND GOD'S SPIRIT, HOLY SPIRIT.
AND FOR ME, THE DIFFERENCE IN PSYCHIC
BECAUSE I HAD A PROPHETIC GIFT,
AND SO I HAD A VERY HIGH PSYCHIC GIFT.
AND THE DEVIL USED IT THAT WAY.
BUT PSYCHIC IS DONE BY YOU.
YOU THINK IT'S YOU.
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT.
I FOUND OUT AFTERWARDS,
IT'S NOT.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE DEMONIC REALM SPEAKING INTO YOU
AND GIVING YOU THAT WISDOM
TO TRICK YOU OR DECEIVE YOU
AND PUT A LITTLE BIT OF TRUTH IN THERE
AND THEN THEY LEAD YOU DOWN A VERY BAD PATH.
WHERE GOD, IT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT
THAT GIVES THAT GIFT,
AND THE PROPHETIC BRINGS VICTORY,
IT BRINGS JOY.
IT BRINGS PEACE.
IT BRINGS THE FRUITS OF THAT SPIRIT.
AND SO I NOW,
WHEN I PROPHESY OR GET WORDS OF KNOWLEDGE,
OR WHATEVER I DO,
IT'S FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF SOMEONE.
IT'S TO BUILD THEM UP.
IT'S NOT ABOUT FORETELLING, ARE YOU GONNA
GET MARRIED?
IS THIS GONNA HAPPEN?
IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN?
SO PSYCHIC IS DEALING
WITH THE DEMONIC REALM
WHERE PROPHETIC WORD
IS DEALING WITH GOD'S REALM.
REBECCA: OH, THAT'S SUCH A GOOD EXPLANATION.
AND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,
YOU DO NOT WANT TO GIVE INTO A FALSE PROPHECY
GIVEN BY A DEMON.
YOU DON'T WANT TO COME INTO AGREEMENT
WITH THAT BEING SPOKEN OVER YOUR LIFE,
AND BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING THAT.
YOU WANT TO FOLLOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THE HOLY SPIRIT.
THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SONS OF GOD,
THOSE WHO ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
ALAN: EXACTLY.
REBECCA: OKAY.
SO I'M --
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA PRONOUNCE THIS CORRECTLY.
BUT I ACTUALLY SEE THIS A LOT ON,
IN MILLENNIAL PRODUCTS.
AND I'VE SEEN IT TALKED ABOUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND STUFF.
BUT IS IT REIKI?
WHAT IS THAT?
ALAN: OH, REIKI, YEAH.
REIKI IS A, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE READER'S DIGEST ON IT,
BUT REIKI IS A COUNTERFEIT OF LAYING ON OF HANDS.
IT'S, THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT LAYING ON OF HANDS
TO HEAL THE SICK.
REIKI IS THE EXACT COUNTERFEIT OF IT.
I DO HAVE RESOURCES ON IT.
BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT IS,
IT WAS FOUNDED BY A JAPANESE MAN MANY CENTURIES AGO
THAT BELIEVED THAT THERE COULD BE POWER.
HE CALLS HIMSELF A CHRISTIAN.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SAY,
OH, CHRISTIANS CAN DO IT AS WELL.
IT'S FALSE.
IF YOU ACTUALLY STUDY ENOUGH,
OR YOU GO DOWN FAR ENOUGH,
IT'S NOT CHRISTIAN AT ALL.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY.
BUT SEE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM,
A LOT OF CHRISTIANS DON'T DISCERN IN THEIR SPIRIT.
THEY MAKE DECISIONS OUT OF THEIR SOUL.
IF IT FEELS GOOD,
OR I FELT LIKE THAT WAS GREAT,
OR I LIKED DOING THAT
BECAUSE IT FELT GOOD,
THEN THEY MAKE A DECISION ON THAT,
BUT THAT'S THE DANGEROUS PART.
WE HAVE TO DISCERN WITH OUR SPIRIT.
AND EVEN IF WE NEVER KNOW WHY,
WE STAY AWAY FROM IT,
BECAUSE GOD'S WARNING US TO STAY AWAY.
SO REIKI IS A COUNTERFEIT OF LAYING ON OF HANDS.
BASICALLY, YOU GO THROUGH DIFFERENT COURSES TO ADVANCE.
YOU'RE TAUGHT HOW TO LAY HANDS ON PEOPLE
WITH AN ENERGY GOING THROUGH,
AND YOU FOCUS ON DIFFERENT JAPANESE SYMBOLS,
THE BUDDHIST SYMBOLS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT'S VERY INVOLVED.
BUT BASICALLY, IT'S A COUNTERFEIT.
THE ENEMY WILL COUNTERFEIT ANYTHING FROM GOD
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DECEIVE AND PULL PEOPLE AWAY.
REBECCA: THAT IS SO INTERESTING.
EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS
IS JUST PERVERTING WHAT GOD HAS ALREADY DONE
IN TRYING TO DRAW PEOPLE AWAY FROM HIM.
THAT'S JUST BLOWING MY MIND.
OKAY, SO NEXT IS SOUL TRAVEL
AND ASTRAL TRAVELING.
ALAN: BASICALLY, WHAT SOUL TRAVELING AND ASTRAL TRAVELING
IS SUPPOSEDLY WHAT YOU DO IS
YOU LEAVE YOUR BODY,
AND YOUR SOUL
THEN TRAVELS IN REALTIME TO OTHER PEOPLE,
OR OTHER PLACES OR WHATEVER.
BUT YOU DO IT SUPPOSEDLY,
LIKE A LOT OF NEW AGERS CALL THE SPIRIT SOUL.
SO THEIR SOUL TRAVELS,
IT'S JUST, IT'S DEMONIC.
IT'S MISLEADING.
IT TAKES PEOPLE INTO A WHOLE OTHER REALM.
I THINK THAT SOMETIMES
IT'S REAL AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
SOMETIMES IT'S A HYPNOTIC STATE,
AND SOMETIMES IT'S A SPIRITUAL PSYCHOTIC STATE
THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FEEL LIKE
SOMETHING IS HAPPENING,
BUT IT'S NOT ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
REBECCA: OKAY, AND THEN TWO MORE,
CHAKRA HEALING.
BECAUSE I SEE STUFF ABOUT CHAKRAS
ALL THE TIME.
ALAN: I LIKE YOU ASKING ME THESE QUESTIONS
BECAUSE I LOVE BEING ABLE
TO TELL FROM WHERE I WAS,
AND WHERE I AM NOW.
IT CONSTANTLY GIVES ME THAT
SPIRIT FEELING OF THAT JESUS RESCUED ME.
REBECCA: YES.
AMEN.
ALAN: FROM ANCIENT CHINESE, BUDDHISM, TAOISM,
IF YOU GO BACK MANY CENTURIES,
EVEN MILLENNIALS,
AND EVEN IN HINDUISM,
THE BELIEF IS THAT
AS A BODY WE HAVE ENERGY CENTERS.
STARTING FROM OUR ROOF,
THE CROWN ONE,
RIGHT DOWN THROUGH, AND THEY CALL THEM CHAKRAS.
SOME CHINESE PEOPLE WILL CALL THEM PRESSURE POINTS.
BUT BASICALLY THE CHAKRAS ARE CALLED HINDU
SPIRITUAL POINTS WHERE IN THE HINDUISM,
YOUR WHOLE AIM IS TO SPIRITUALLY EVOLVE THROUGH
THE DIFFERENT CHAKRAS
THROUGH RITUALS UNTIL YOU REACH THE CROWN CHAKRA,
WHICH IS WHEN YOU LINK WITH BRAHMA OR VISHNU OR
KALI, THE HINDU GODS.
NOW THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT,
IS THAT SOMETIMES CHRISTIANS,
AND EVEN PEOPLE THAT DO THAT STUFF,
WILL SAY IT'S OKAY
BECAUSE WE HAVE ENERGY CENTERS.
WELL, NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T.
WE DON'T HAVE ENERGY CENTERS,
WE HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
THAT'S THE SPIRIT WE HAVE.
AND THEN THEY'LL SAY,
BUT THEY USE THEM
I'VE EVEN HEARD CHRISTIANS SAY,
THEY'VE USED THEIR CHAKRAS TO BALANCE
THE SPIRIT IN THEM.
AND I GO, WELL, THE HOLY SPIRIT DOESN'T NEED
BALANCING, I'M SORRY.
THAT YIN-YANG SYMBOL,
THAT EXISTS, A BALANCE BETWEEN DARK AND GOOD,
MY HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT NEED BALANCING.
HE'S PART OF GOD,
HE'S PERFECTED.
HE LIVES INSIDE OF ME,
AND I DON'T NEED TO BALANCE HIM.
I DON'T NEED TO DO RITUALS.
BUT THE DECEPTION,
UNFORTUNATELY TO CHRISTIANS, IS THAT THEY FEEL SOMETHING.
NOW ONE OF THE BELIEFS, OKAY,
ONE OF THE HINDUISTIC,
AND IT'S A VERY TRUE THING,
AND I'VE SEEN IT THOUSANDS OF TIMES,
IS THEY BELIEVE THAT A SNAKE SPIRIT,
CALLED THE KUNDALINI,
SITS AT THE BASE OF OUR BRAIN,
AND IT NEEDS,
THE BASE OF OUR BACK,
AND IT NEEDS TO BE ACTIVATED.
WELL, WHAT IT NEEDS,
THEY BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO BE ACTIVATED
THROUGH THE CHAKRAS.
ALL RIGHT, NOW NUMBER ONE,
IT'S DEMONIC.
AND ANYTIME IT'S ACTIVATED,
YOU SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT IN PEOPLE.
I WAS EVEN JUST TALKING TO SOMEONE THE OTHER DAY
THAT NEEDED A QUICK DELIVERANCE OF IT.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY HAD DONE.
BUT ALL THESE THINGS HAD STARTED TO HAPPEN TO THEM
STRAIGHT AFTER, THEY WERE IN A CLASS,
AND THEY DID A BREATHING EXERCISE TO AWAKEN IT
AND THEN THEIR WHOLE LIFE WAS A MESS.
THEY WERE ALMOST TO A WHOLE POINT OF PARAPLEGIC
BECAUSE OF THAT THING.
IT IS DEMONIC.
IT'S WRONG.
YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN GO NEAR IT.
BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D ADD THAT IN.
THAT'S WHAT THEY TRY TO DO
THROUGH THE CHAKRAS,
RELEASE THE ENERGY THROUGH,
SO THAT YOU, YOUR SPIRIT EVOLVES.
BUT, CHRISTIANS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE JUST HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
REBECCA: YES.
WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THAT,
AND I HEARD IT WAS A SNAKE AT THE BASE OF YOUR BACK,
I WAS LIKE, OF ALL ANIMALS,
IT'S A SNAKE.
I WAS LIKE IF YOU NEED ANYMORE SIGN
THAT THIS IS NOT OF GOD,
IT'S A SNAKE
THAT YOU'RE ALLOWING TO TRAVEL UP.
OH, AND I JUST REALLY --
I REMEMBER THERE'S TWO MORE THAT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
BECAUSE YOU JUST REMINDED ME.
WHAT IS UP,
BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH CHAKRAS,
WHAT IS UP WITH THE OBSESSION
WITH LIKE YOUR THIRD EYE
AND YOUR LIKE PINEAL GLAND AND ALL OF THAT?
ALAN: WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S A CHAKRA POINT
BEFORE YOU HIT THE CROWN CHAKRA.
SO THAT'S A VERY STRONG, YOU KNOW, ENERGY POINT.
AND I'VE HEARD CHRISTIANS SAY
THAT, OH, THEY FEEL LIKE GOD HAS BEEN TOUCHING THEM
WITH THE THIRD EYE.
I GO, NO, THAT'S NOT GOD.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING,
PEOPLE DON'T DISCERN.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE STRONG RELATIONSHIPS
WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OR WITH GOD OR WITH JESUS,
SO THEY'RE NOT DISCERNING.
AS I SAID, THEY'RE MAKING, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SEASON,
MAKING A LOT OF DECISIONS
BASED ON THEIR SOUL AND THEIR FEELING VERSUS
WHAT'S THE SPIRIT SAYING.
REBECCA: I HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS FOR ALAN STRUDWICK
THAT OUR CONVERSATION JUST KEPT GOING.
THIS IS ONLY PART ONE.
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